Sussex songstress distances herself from right wing political group (From The Argus)

She should sue them and they should have the CD withdrawn.

It's a free country - during the war, the song became a signal of our UK's resistance to invasion by the Germans, and now 60 years on it is appropriate to use it as a symbol of our resistance to invasion by the rest of the world (immigration).

She cant sue them, in fact she cant do sod all because of syndication rights ie: she does not own the rights to the song or the music - the publishing company does, and as long as the BNP have paid a token fee to the publisher - thats that! however cruel and tasteless it seems.

Oh! and did anyone spot the advert for her book in the last paragraph?

good on the BNP.... why cant they use good british songs... should they do there party cd to the music coming from the local tandoori....

They cannot legally include her version of the song without her permission. They could use the song recorded by someone else, but not her version.
Let's hope they end up in court through their own stupidity.

Well done Dame Vera for disassociating yourself from the BNP.
They breed hatred , and have no place in respectable society. They make a mockery of free speech , and try to ruin lives both young and old with their doctrines of ill informed and twisted morality.
GOONS , the lot of them!

This is just another example of people who say they support free speech so long as the people say what they agree with
I ask the Argus - why do you slag off the BNP at every chance IF Its a proper allowed by Law british political party - I suggest Free speech is fighting bullies so that your enemies can benefit from it too!

Tye,....if you have nothing sensible to say....!

Dave Jones wrote:
It's a free country - during the war, the song became a signal of our UK's resistance to invasion by the Germans, and now 60 years on it is appropriate to use it as a symbol of our resistance to invasion by the rest of the world (immigration).

What a joke! If Nick "what holocaust?" Griffin had been around in 1940 he'd have rolled out the red carpet for Hitler.

This episode is typical of the BNP's dishonest approach to politics.

wild berry wrote:
Tye,....if you have nothing sensible to say....!

Its not sensible to point out that free speech means free speech for those you disagree with ? - otherwise its NOT freespeech is it.

On a completely separate point ;-)

its amazing how bigotted the left are when they denigrate the bigots

Er, as the song was written by Walter Kent & Nat Burton, it's not really any of Dame Vera Lynn's business who includes recordings of it on their CDs - the copyright in the song belongs to the publishers Shapiro Bernstein & Co Ltd.
And as far as her classic 1942 recording of it with Tony Osbourne & His Orchestra, the copyright in that is owned by EMI Records, and again it's not really any of Vera Lynne's business who EMI license it to.

Oh look, she's got a book coming out! lol

Andy R wrote:

Dave Jones wrote: It's a free country - during the war, the song became a signal of our UK's resistance to invasion by the Germans, and now 60 years on it is appropriate to use it as a symbol of our resistance to invasion by the rest of the world (immigration).

What a joke! If Nick "what holocaust?" Griffin had been around in 1940 he'd have rolled out the red carpet for Hitler. This episode is typical of the BNP's dishonest approach to politics.

Would it have been SO bad Andy ?

Let me put it another way.

Don't you think our Country would be in a better state now ?

Tye....for a second time , might i suggest that if you have nothing sensible to say.....get back to repairing your jack boots.

Tye wrote:

Andy R wrote:

Dave Jones wrote: It's a free country - during the war, the song became a signal of our UK's resistance to invasion by the Germans, and now 60 years on it is appropriate to use it as a symbol of our resistance to invasion by the rest of the world (immigration).

What a joke! If Nick "what holocaust?" Griffin had been around in 1940 he'd have rolled out the red carpet for Hitler. This episode is typical of the BNP's dishonest approach to politics.

Would it have been SO bad Andy ? Let me put it another way. Don't you think our Country would be in a better state now ?

Appreciate the honesty! You're obviously one of those BNP traditionalists who want no truck with Griffin's attempts to put a PR gloss on your good old-fashioned fascism.

feline1 wrote:
Er, as the song was written by Walter Kent & Nat Burton, it's not really any of Dame Vera Lynn's business who includes recordings of it on their CDs - the copyright in the song belongs to the publishers Shapiro Bernstein & Co Ltd. And as far as her classic 1942 recording of it with Tony Osbourne & His Orchestra, the copyright in that is owned by EMI Records, and again it's not really any of Vera Lynne's business who EMI license it to. Oh look, she's got a book coming out! lol

I would be very surprised if the BNP bothered to get a license to use the recordings from EMI, and even more surprised if they had been granted.
But she has recorded the song several times, so it would make some difference which recording was being used.
Of course the song itself is not her property, but Shapiro Bernstein's as you so rightly state. And you really think a Jewish song publishing company would give permission for the song to be used by the BNP? I bet they were never asked.

wild berry wrote:
Tye....for a second time , might i suggest that if you have nothing sensible to say.....get back to repairing your jack boots.

I'll not comment about your trendy £150 trainers then made in some hole in the middle east for 8p. as they are SO COMFY when you go on your marches against poverty ;-)

Wild Berry - Serious question

Tell me do you believe in free speech for people you disagree with?

Oh shut up Dame Vera you self obsessed moron. Get a life.

BNP = nasty racist sc*mbags!

FACTS: From the BNP constitution

According to its constitution, the BNP is "committed to stemming and reversing the tide of non-white immigration and to restoring, by legal changes, negotiation and consent the overwhelmingly white makeup of the British population that existed in Britain prior to 1948." The BNP also proposes "firm but voluntary incentives for immigrants and their descendants to return home."

Hmmm, so they want all the non-white and non-whites BORN in the UK, to go back to where they racially originally came from.

Thank god, the BNP will never control any sort of government in the United Kingdom with their disgusting racist policies. I am white and am proud that I have wonderful chinese, indian, and golly gosh black neighbours on my road.

Why don't you all you BNP people go away and polish your jackboots, and practice your salutes, you don't speak for the UK so stop pretending that you do, we can all see through you.

I guess I struck a nerve with Tye about the Jack boots.
Sorry I made you rant on about (trainers?)...very inciteful.Should have finished your education!!

Oh shut up Dame Vera you self obsessed moron. Get a life

Oh shut up Dame Vera you self obsessed moron. Get a life


Oh shut up Dame Vera you self obsessed moron. Get a life


Oh shut up Dame Vera you self obsessed moron. Get a life

wild berry wrote:
I guess I struck a nerve with Tye about the Jack boots. Sorry I made you rant on about (trainers?)...very inciteful.Should have finished your education!!

Pot/kettle Love ;-)

We went through two world wars. We didn't do this to protect our culture, identity and security, for us to hand our country over a few years later. People in the public eye never admit to supporting the BNP because they would never here the end of it. Behind closed doors it is totaly different. To all you liberals out there - you are on a road to nowhere. Don't any of you think it strange that we have a Government that tolerates hate speech from Islamists, but vilifies or bans those who oppose it? The left are the fascists, take look at what has been done to this one peaceful nation. I rest my case.

I do enjoy seeing the frantic posturing of frightened politicians when the BNP is mentioned! I'd rather hear the truth about immigration from the BNP than the spin and lies fed to us by all other parties!

Osama bin there wrote:

feline1 wrote:
Er, as the song was written by Walter Kent & Nat Burton, it's not really any of Dame Vera Lynn's business who includes recordings of it on their CDs - the copyright in the song belongs to the publishers Shapiro Bernstein & Co Ltd. And as far as her classic 1942 recording of it with Tony Osbourne & His Orchestra, the copyright in that is owned by EMI Records, and again it's not really any of Vera Lynne's business who EMI license it to. Oh look, she's got a book coming out! lol

I would be very surprised if the BNP bothered to get a license to use the recordings from EMI, and even more surprised if they had been granted.
But she has recorded the song several times, so it would make some difference which recording was being used.
Of course the song itself is not her property, but Shapiro Bernstein's as you so rightly state. And you really think a Jewish song publishing company would give permission for the song to be used by the BNP? I bet they were never asked.

Generally you don't have to approach the publishers directly, you just do the licensing via MCPS.

I am constantly amazed at the vilification and censorship which the BNP receive from the institionally left-wing press. The BNP are a lawfully constituted political party whose views we are entitled to hear.

...oh and Tye, you are a typical left wing zealot who resorts to smear and sneer tactics whenever someone disagrees with you. Pathetic.

...errrrr, I meant Wild Berry of course.....

thensx wrote:
...oh and Tye, you are a typical left wing zealot who resorts to smear and sneer tactics whenever someone disagrees with you. Pathetic.

Er...."left-wing zealot" Tye is the one who thinks we'd be better off if Hitler had won the war.

What is it they say? If you've half a mind to join the BNP, you're overqualified!

Andy R, thanks for pointing out my typo (which I had already acknowledged). Keep up the good work!

feline1 wrote:

Osama bin there wrote:

feline1 wrote:
Er, as the song was written by Walter Kent & Nat Burton, it's not really any of Dame Vera Lynn's business who includes recordings of it on their CDs - the copyright in the song belongs to the publishers Shapiro Bernstein & Co Ltd. And as far as her classic 1942 recording of it with Tony Osbourne & His Orchestra, the copyright in that is owned by EMI Records, and again it's not really any of Vera Lynne's business who EMI license it to. Oh look, she's got a book coming out! lol

I would be very surprised if the BNP bothered to get a license to use the recordings from EMI, and even more surprised if they had been granted.
But she has recorded the song several times, so it would make some difference which recording was being used.
Of course the song itself is not her property, but Shapiro Bernstein's as you so rightly state. And you really think a Jewish song publishing company would give permission for the song to be used by the BNP? I bet they were never asked.

Generally you don't have to approach the publishers directly, you just do the licensing via MCPS.

I know. But they may very well withdraw it. My guess is that the song won't even have been licensed for use, and if the song has then the recording won't.

Ronald wrote:
I do enjoy seeing the frantic posturing of frightened politicians when the BNP is mentioned! I'd rather hear the truth about immigration from the BNP than the spin and lies fed to us by all other parties!

Ronald, do you not see the perfect irony in your statement? Or do you not regard the BNP as a true political party or, on the other hand, you regard them as a political party above spin and telling lies? If ever there was a candidate to stretch the truth on immigration stats to suit their own purposes, surely it has to be the BNP?

Andy R wrote:

thensx wrote: ...oh and Tye, you are a typical left wing zealot who resorts to smear and sneer tactics whenever someone disagrees with you. Pathetic.

Er...."left-wing zealot" Tye is the one who thinks we'd be better off if Hitler had won the war. What is it they say? If you've half a mind to join the BNP, you're overqualified!

Guess which War time leader said - my aim is to destroy the evil empire?
I'll give you 2 clues - first he was american (not austrian or german) and the second - they were discussing the BRITISH empire
And good old america - they charged top dollar for every bit of help they gave us

If Nick Griffin had been around in 1940 he would have been straight into the gas chamber as he would be considered too old, too fat and far too lazy and stupid to be any good to anyone.
That is what is so strange about this so-called political group. If you have ever met any of the people belonging to this party, they would have been considered the underclass, the retarded, the sub humans, the gypsies, who would not have been accepted by the Nazis as having any place in society.
I'm not even sure most of them would be even any good for organ donation they are so useless.

Andy R wrote:

Dave Jones wrote: It's a free country - during the war, the song became a signal of our UK's resistance to invasion by the Germans, and now 60 years on it is appropriate to use it as a symbol of our resistance to invasion by the rest of the world (immigration).

What a joke! If Nick "what holocaust?" Griffin had been around in 1940 he'd have rolled out the red carpet for Hitler. This episode is typical of the BNP's dishonest approach to politics.

...very unlikely...if he had have "rolled out the red carpet" for the nazis, as you so eloquently put it, his grandfather would have no doubt have put him over his knee....seeing as his grandfather was a spitfire pilot!
Or is that a bit of an "inconvenient truth for you?"

Ronald wrote:
I do enjoy seeing the frantic posturing of frightened politicians when the BNP is mentioned! I'd rather hear the truth about immigration from the BNP than the spin and lies fed to us by all other parties!

Thats nothing to the frantic posturing and backstabbing that WILL occur amongst those same "politicians" after this Junes proportional representation elections for Europe return 2 or 3 BNP MEPs!!

Oh the irony!!...Britains most anti European party being elected to represent us.. in Europe! Only 4 months to go....4 months of growing unemployment, 4 months of an extra 200,000 people a month going into negative equity, 4 months of more bailouts and "emergency plans"....and then that wonderful day when I watch Gordon Brown squirming to explain to a media that smells blood, how he had come to so spectacularly fail at the polls not only to the Tories but by losing votes to the BNP from his traditional working class supporters as well...those same working class supporters he had betrayed and taken for granted over the last 10 years....and within a week ...the leadership challenge against him!

Oh happy day! Roll on Glorious June.
Revenge will be sweet...and if it takes the election of the odd BNP MEP to rub some real salt into the wound...then so be it!!

Im afraid the media has shot its self in the foot on this one.

The White Cliffs of Dover, is in fact a commercially published CD, available on Amazon.co.uk and other retail outlets.

This is a commercially produced music CD which was issued in March last year by a well-known music publishing house.

In fact if you are an affiliate of Amazon you can sell this cd on your webpages, so whats all the fuss about.

Did Labour pay to use the song

"Things can only get better?"

that they used as their theme tune in 1997?

I bet whoever gave them the ok to use it is seeing the irony now!

The cd in question,"The White Cliffs of Dover,"is in fact a commercially published cd available on Amazon.co.uk and other retail outlets and not produced by the BNP at all.This fact however has not stopped the media from whipping itself up into a lying frenzy claiming that the BNP had "put the track on a nationalistic album named after the iconic song.This is just another smear tactic by the government and their partners in deceit the Media.The powers that be know that support for the BNP is growing countrywide and this is whats is scaring the pants off them and this is why they have to resort to distortion of the truth and downright lies in order to portray the BNP in the worst possible light.Wake up people the truth is out there,dont believe everything you read,go and do your own research
and you will find the truth.

Peace to all.

All this fuss about a CD...nobody has even mentioned that you can buy Gollywogs on Excalibur as well now since Her Majesty the Queens shop stopped selling them last month!

I used to have a Golly when I was little. I wonder what happened to him. Did anyone else have a Golly?

Still all these things you can buy there must be selling well...the BNP website Alexa rating (a site used to monitor website hits and compare them to other web sites) is going through the roof...its the highest its ever been...it outranks all the other party websites!

william of orange wrote:

Andy R wrote:

Dave Jones wrote: It's a free country - during the war, the song became a signal of our UK's resistance to invasion by the Germans, and now 60 years on it is appropriate to use it as a symbol of our resistance to invasion by the rest of the world (immigration).

What a joke! If Nick "what holocaust?" Griffin had been around in 1940 he'd have rolled out the red carpet for Hitler. This episode is typical of the BNP's dishonest approach to politics.

...very unlikely...if he had have "rolled out the red carpet" for the nazis, as you so eloquently put it, his grandfather would have no doubt have put him over his knee....seeing as his grandfather was a spitfire pilot! Or is that a bit of an "inconvenient truth for you?"

If Nick Griffin had been around in his current incarnation in 1940 he wouldn't have a had a grandfather flying Spitfires would he?

What with "Tye" who can't manage to work out who said what in a discussion thread, and you, it's clear that another BNP branch must have had custody of the party braincell today.

TheInsider wrote:
If Nick Griffin had been around in 1940 he would have been straight into the gas chamber as he would be considered too old, too fat and far too lazy and stupid to be any good to anyone. That is what is so strange about this so-called political group. If you have ever met any of the people belonging to this party, they would have been considered the underclass, the retarded, the sub humans, the gypsies, who would not have been accepted by the Nazis as having any place in society. I'm not even sure most of them would be even any good for organ donation they are so useless.

I think that we can derive from these comments that you are a liberal who preaches tolerance towards all while in practice doing the exact opposite.
Your words describing people belonging to the BNP as are the same sort of words as the nazis used to describe the jews, yet you find it perfectly acceptable to descibe people belonging to a democratic,legitimat
e political party
as such.Just like the establishment people like you are tripping over your own lies.People Your mindset is self-evident in YOUR WORDS.
Condemnation without investigation is the highest form of ignorance.

Andy R wrote:

william of orange wrote:

Andy R wrote:

Dave Jones wrote: It's a free country - during the war, the song became a signal of our UK's resistance to invasion by the Germans, and now 60 years on it is appropriate to use it as a symbol of our resistance to invasion by the rest of the world (immigration).

What a joke! If Nick "what holocaust?" Griffin had been around in 1940 he'd have rolled out the red carpet for Hitler. This episode is typical of the BNP's dishonest approach to politics.

...very unlikely...if he had have "rolled out the red carpet" for the nazis, as you so eloquently put it, his grandfather would have no doubt have put him over his knee....seeing as his grandfather was a spitfire pilot! Or is that a bit of an "inconvenient truth for you?"

If Nick Griffin had been around in his current incarnation in 1940 he wouldn't have a had a grandfather flying Spitfires would he? What with "Tye" who can't manage to work out who said what in a discussion thread, and you, it's clear that another BNP branch must have had custody of the party braincell today.

You resort to insults ...I give facts...his grandfather was a Spitfire pilot. Deal with it.

I suggest you contact Searchlight to find out how to counter that fact. They will probably tell you he was a German spy in the RAF!!!

bornandbredbrighton wrote:

TheInsider wrote: If Nick Griffin had been around in 1940 he would have been straight into the gas chamber as he would be considered too old, too fat and far too lazy and stupid to be any good to anyone. That is what is so strange about this so-called political group. If you have ever met any of the people belonging to this party, they would have been considered the underclass, the retarded, the sub humans, the gypsies, who would not have been accepted by the Nazis as having any place in society. I'm not even sure most of them would be even any good for organ donation they are so useless.

I think that we can derive from these comments that you are a liberal who preaches tolerance towards all while in practice doing the exact opposite. Your words describing people belonging to the BNP as are the same sort of words as the nazis used to describe the jews, yet you find it perfectly acceptable to descibe people belonging to a democratic,legitimat e political party as such.Just like the establishment people like you are tripping over your own lies.People Your mindset is self-evident in YOUR WORDS. Condemnation without investigation is the highest form of ignorance.

Dont worry born and bred...after Junes elections they will be so intent on infighting amongst the few ouncillors they have left they won't have time for insults!

July 09 Leadership challenge amongst the remaining rump of the Liebour Party!

william of orange wrote:

Andy R wrote:

william of orange wrote:

Andy R wrote:

Dave Jones wrote: It's a free country - during the war, the song became a signal of our UK's resistance to invasion by the Germans, and now 60 years on it is appropriate to use it as a symbol of our resistance to invasion by the rest of the world (immigration).

What a joke! If Nick "what holocaust?" Griffin had been around in 1940 he'd have rolled out the red carpet for Hitler. This episode is typical of the BNP's dishonest approach to politics.

...very unlikely...if he had have "rolled out the red carpet" for the nazis, as you so eloquently put it, his grandfather would have no doubt have put him over his knee....seeing as his grandfather was a spitfire pilot! Or is that a bit of an "inconvenient truth for you?"

If Nick Griffin had been around in his current incarnation in 1940 he wouldn't have a had a grandfather flying Spitfires would he? What with "Tye" who can't manage to work out who said what in a discussion thread, and you, it's clear that another BNP branch must have had custody of the party braincell today.

You resort to insults ...I give facts...his grandfather was a Spitfire pilot. Deal with it. I suggest you contact Searchlight to find out how to counter that fact. They will probably tell you he was a German spy in the RAF!!!

"It's well known that the chimneys from the gas chambers at Auschwitz are fake, built after the war ended." Nick Griffin in 2006.

The ones who want to deny it happened are the ones who want to do it again...

Exactly AndyR, though the rehearsal of all this reactionary BS here is not entirely unpredictable.. the problem is most of these people live in a bubble and think because everyone around them agrees, they are in some kind of hidden majority, rather than an isolated minority that can't see past the end of its nose. I have no problem with the BNP shouting all the rubbish they want, in fact I think much liberal intolerance to their existence is self-defeating as it only take a moment to read through things like this thread to see the shallowness of their arguments. Either/or arguments are not simply immature, it's perfectly possible to Euro-sceptic but not politically or culturally isolationist, or to be heart-burstingly patriotic (if that's your bag) and not an ignorant racist moron. Unfortunately half of the vociferous BNPists don't see the parallels between themselves and the Abu Qatadas of this world.

Peace and Love people.

Once again the media don't let facts get in the way of a story.

1. The music CD in question, “The White Cliffs of Dover” is a commercially available CD which has no connection with, or reference to, the BNP or any other political party.

2. It is published by Pegasus Music.

3. It can be purchased at any music store, or Amazon. A sample link:
http://www.amazon.co
.uk/White-Cliffs-Dov
er-Various-Artists/d
p/B00005NBSR/ref=sr_
1_7?ie=UTF8&s=music&
qid=1234969389&sr=8-
7

4. There is no question of the BNP “bootlegging” the CD. There is no reference to the BNP at all on the CD.

5. There is no reference, implication or insinuation that the CD is “nationalist” or “anti-immigration�
��.

6. In fact, the CD is filed under the section of our CD selection titled “NOSTALIGIA,” which includes The Andrews Sisters; Great Music from the Court of Elizabeth 1; Café de Paris, 50 French Classics; and Canterbury Tales: Chaucer’s World in Words and Music. You can find the selection here:
https://excalibur.bn
p.org.uk/acatalog/No
stalgia.html

7. There is, therefore, no truth at all to the allegations by the media that the CD is somehow part of some anti-immigration platform.

Freedom of speech is only applied in the privacy of your own home! Say or write anything different to this and you will be called anything from racist to leftish. To enjoy freedom of speech should be everyone's right just as long as it isn't slanderous.
Furthermore - I wager that if the top ten priorities of the BNP were
presented to the public - a good many would be acceptable.

Bornandbred you made me laugh. Only the other day I was walking through Brighton and saying to a friend that I wish there was such a thing as a scum gun which would rid Brighton of all the scum that land here, so I wouldn't count myself as liberal.
However, having watched the BNP get elected in other towns and then not bother to ever turn up to council meetings to represent the seat they won, they showed that they were not a serious party. They seem to like the thrill of the campaign, being on the telly and being part of a "naughty club" and harking back to the war but not the hard work after election so no-one bothers with them much these days.
I think maybe they should just join some sort of re-enactment groups and just dress up in wartime outfits and not waste people's time.

Fabs wrote:
Freedom of speech is only applied in the privacy of your own home! Say or write anything different to this and you will be called anything from racist to leftish. To enjoy freedom of speech should be everyone's right just as long as it isn't slanderous. Furthermore - I wager that if the top ten priorities of the BNP were presented to the public - a good many would be acceptable.

BNP policies WERE presented to the public in late 2005 by SKY News who ran a poll without saying which party those policies were from.

65% of those questioned supported those policies...when told they were BNP policies support dropped to only 55%......you only need 40% to win in the first past the post politics of this country.

They may be a young party...and they may be learning lessons the hard way...they may make mistakes...but they are growing fast...they have the tacit support of the majority if not their votes (yet).
Where people believe they can win..they do.. ie Dagenham and Barking where 11 of the 12 council seats went to the BNP at the last council election...no Tories no lib dems just a straight fight between Liebour and the BNP. In Cumbria where the safest Liebour council seat had a majority of over 1000 the BNP slashed it to just 8 (YES EIGHT) with the BNP in second place. Its not happeneing everywhere (yet) - nor do I expect it to, but it is happening again and again (you are just not being allowed to hear about it)...its happening enough to get Liebour VERY worried. So they resort to lies, insults and eventually threats and perhaps even the very violence they accuse the BNP of themselves.

Junes proportional representation Euro elections (where every vote counts) will change the face of British politics for years to come (as Ed Balls so correctly pointed out a few weeks back)...you see he knows whats coming...Liebour in opposition for a generation with their traditional support base the British working class (whats left of them) having moved from one side of the political spectrum to the other in the blink of an eye!)

Get used to the BNP they are a legal party, with support, and deserve to be heard. If they are heard and get their message across they will win. Muzzle them, restrict them, imprison them and you just make martyrs of them.

Either way you can't win!

Time is running out...tick,tock,tick
,tock ..June is coming!

.......NEWSFLASH....
.

The BNP have just taken one of the safest Labour wards in Kent. The result tonight on Sevenoaks Council in their FIRST EVER outing in that ward was:-

BNP 408 votes...41%
Liebour 332.....34%
TORY 247........25%

Now what was it I said about the working class going from one side of the political spectrum to the other???

Bring on June....tick,tock,ti
ck,tock

....oh and another one from last night, Thringstone with 28% of the vote...not a win but the 5th seat in North West Leicestershire giving the BNP solid 28% + vote bases to work from.

I loved this quote from Sevenoaks though:-

"The ashen-faced Labour team stormed out of the counting hall as soon as they could. Only the Tories, who had been friendly throughout the day, stayed behind to congratulate Councillor Golding on his election victory."

Petulant children!

william of orange wrote:
....oh and another one from last night, Thringstone with 28% of the vote...not a win but the 5th seat in North West Leicestershire giving the BNP solid 28% + vote bases to work from. I loved this quote from Sevenoaks though:- "The ashen-faced Labour team stormed out of the counting hall as soon as they could. Only the Tories, who had been friendly throughout the day, stayed behind to congratulate Councillor Golding on his election victory." Petulant children!

No offence, but I think the majority of people in Brighton / Sussex / Britain will not agree with you on the BNP no matter how much you try and dress up their racist agenda as politics. Anyone with half a brain can see that. Sevenoaks probably has the highest amount of Daily Mail afficioados.

a_j95, Andy R and Wild Berry, why do you assume that someone is stupid because they don't agree with your views? Why do you not present arguments and facts rather than childish insults (brain cell, half a brain...yawn)?

You see the thing about stupid people is that they are so stupid that they don't realise that they are stupid. Take a look in the mirror.

Wrong William - so your answer to Britain getting through the global recession is to vote BNP? You are actually being serious? Thankfully the vast majority of people will disagree with you. You can dress them up as much as you like but scratch away at the surface of the BNP and you'll find racist bigots who believe all their problems are the fault of someone with a darker skin tone or someone who worships a different god. And just like the NF they'll fade away in a few years time.

Now which countries will trade with Britain if the BNP are in power ...America, Japan?, China? India?
We would probably end up with trade anacitons and major employers pulling out of the UK.
As we are a country which has nothing of value to export and as we are a country which relies mainly on banking and service industries, we would be stuffed.
I think you will find that most companies now have a global workforce and we understand the world economy to know that embracing such extreme political views would now be suicide for a country....take a look at Zimbabwe.
At local level they may get voted in due to local issues, but at national level most people understand that the UK is no longer in a position to work in isolation.

Osama bin there wrote:

feline1 wrote:

Osama bin there wrote:

feline1 wrote:
Er, as the song was written by Walter Kent & Nat Burton, it's not really any of Dame Vera Lynn's business who includes recordings of it on their CDs - the copyright in the song belongs to the publishers Shapiro Bernstein & Co Ltd. And as far as her classic 1942 recording of it with Tony Osbourne & His Orchestra, the copyright in that is owned by EMI Records, and again it's not really any of Vera Lynne's business who EMI license it to. Oh look, she's got a book coming out! lol

I would be very surprised if the BNP bothered to get a license to use the recordings from EMI, and even more surprised if they had been granted.
But she has recorded the song several times, so it would make some difference which recording was being used.
Of course the song itself is not her property, but Shapiro Bernstein's as you so rightly state. And you really think a Jewish song publishing company would give permission for the song to be used by the BNP? I bet they were never asked.

Generally you don't have to approach the publishers directly, you just do the licensing via MCPS.

I know. But they may very well withdraw it. My guess is that the song won't even have been licensed for use, and if the song has then the recording won't.

Well then, Vera Lynn should contact the publishers and the MCPS anti-piracy squad can get the BNP a jack-boot in the knackers!
And the Argus can print some actual facts rather than the above hand-waving hysterical dribble which is basically just a cut-and-pasted press release from Vera Lynne's publishers.

Anyway...back to the Argus story...

I see the Guardian are carrying the REAL TRUTH about the story which can be summed up as follows from their pages:-

"..her hopes of seeing the album removed from the party's website would seem to be slight as not only does she not own the copyright to the song - written in 1941 by Walter Kent and Nat Burton - but the CD itself is not a BNP compilation, being widely available on other sites"

and

"A BNP spokesman, Simon Darby, said the party had no plans to stop selling the CD: "She can complain but it is not going to do her any good. We have to raise money for the European election campaign and this is selling very well - a lot of our members like reminiscing about the second world war. I really don't see why we should take it down, but if she wants to provide us with a really good reason rather than a legal threat we might consider it."

So I guess that's that then. The BNP are just selling something they bought themselves. Its called retailing. Another day...another smear. Still its usually around this time of year that we see mud being thrown at the BNP...I wonder why that is?....oh yeah election time....somehow I don't think too much mud is going to stick this year! The British public are waking up...they are angry with Labour for their economic incompetence and an uncontrolled ill thought out immigration policy (if you can call it a policy).

Waking up ..just as Sevenoaks did last night!

Roll on June...not a day too soon.

This storey's mad and so is this one.
Singing the Hokey Cokey could land football fans in sectarian bother
Dec 22 2008 By John Ferguson

POLICE have vowed to crack down on football fans singing the Hokey Cokey - after claims the song is sectarian.

Catholic church leaders believe the old time children's ditty pokes fun at priests. And they fear it could be hijacked by bigots.

The Hokey Cokey became a popular song and dance in the UK and the US during the 1940s.

But some claim it was composed by Puritans during the 18th century.

They say it originates from "hocuspocus" - a reference to the Latin Mass - and the words used by priests to give communion: "Hoc est enim corpus meum", or "This is my body".

It has also been claimed references to "left-hand in, left-hand out" ridicule the priest's movements during theMass.

The issue was raised after comments made on Rangers websites in the wake of a ban on The Famine Song.

Some supporters discussed whether they would now be able to belt out the Hokey Cokey without offending anyone.

Peter Kearney, a spokesman for the Catholic church in Scotland, said: "This song does have quite disturbing origins. It was devised as an attack on, and a parody of, the Mass. If there are moves to restore its more malevolent meaning then consideration should perhaps be given to its wider use."

SNP MSP Michael Matheson urged police to "take the appropriate action" against those using it to taunt Catholics.

But Labour MSP Frank McAveety - himself a Catholic - said: "I remember doing the Hokey Cokey at family parties.

"We must all have been offending each other without realising.

"I have visions of Alex Salmond's barmy army kicking down doors to get into kids' parties and dragging everyone off to jail."

Stephen Smith of the Rangers Supporters Trust said it was "the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard in my life".

But police promised to investigate any complaints made - and could lock up anyone found singing the song in a sectarian context.

I'm forever blowing bubbles is a song which should be banned from the terraces......Bubble
s was Michael Jackson's pet chimpanzee.

thensx wrote:
a_j95, Andy R and Wild Berry, why do you assume that someone is stupid because they don't agree with your views? Why do you not present arguments and facts rather than childish insults (brain cell, half a brain...yawn)? You see the thing about stupid people is that they are so stupid that they don't realise that they are stupid. Take a look in the mirror.

I'm an (albeit slightly off the pace) autodidact with a job, this guy posts page and a half long responses, which, aside from the fact no-one important is ever going to read them, are ridiculously malinformed propaganda based on emotional issues and interests relating to tribalistic conservation of genetics. I could write a detailed essay in response, but if I add up the potential time taken vs amount of time I have available to write personal comments in my lunch break, I think it would jeopardise my future employment, a luxury I doubt Mr Orange has.

a_j95 wrote:

william of orange wrote: ....oh and another one from last night, Thringstone with 28% of the vote...not a win but the 5th seat in North West Leicestershire giving the BNP solid 28% + vote bases to work from. I loved this quote from Sevenoaks though:- "The ashen-faced Labour team stormed out of the counting hall as soon as they could. Only the Tories, who had been friendly throughout the day, stayed behind to congratulate Councillor Golding on his election victory." Petulant children!

No offence, but I think the majority of people in Brighton / Sussex / Britain will not agree with you on the BNP no matter how much you try and dress up their racist agenda as politics. Anyone with half a brain can see that. Sevenoaks probably has the highest amount of Daily Mail afficioados.

None taken old bean, none taken!

I don't know about Sevenoaks having the highest amount of Daily Mail aficionados (if you are going to use long words do please learn how to spell them - you may be an "autodidact" but that's no reason to slip on standards now is it?), but it is true to say that until recently rumour had it that Sevenoaks had the highest percentage of Labour voters in Kent.

Not any more ....lol

Strange whilst they were voting Labour they were "salt of the earth types" no doubt. They vote BNP because Labour didn't listen to them and I can hear you spitting on the voters whilst you type.

What a great country we live in!

(Oh and I do have a job - despite Crash Gordons best efforts! Still he's got a year and a half left to take it from me so there's time yet!)

here is a story:

a friend of mine (who is a black African) and his family had moved here in 2000. they were struggling with finding work and supporting themselves, so were mainly on benefits.
they approached the local council, and government for help. asking for the air fair to return back to Angola as they had a better life there. they were refused at every point (even when pointing out it would ultimately save the government a fortune!!). as you can guess, they were unhappy.
so, they approached a member of the bnp. they , said that they were polite,helpful, fun to chat with, and at no time did they make them feel unworthy as a human being. unlike the other people they had spoken to before!
the bnp gave them all enough money to return to Angola, and to help them set up a business that they ran before they moved here!
now. i am not racist in any way, and don't forget this guy and his family ARE STILL my friends. i think it can be a few people giving the majority a bad name.
just my opinion mind you.
And for those who care...I always vote green party!!!
now bring on the abuse!!

The BNP are a racist party.
Check out the truth behind their supposed respectability.
http://www.hopenotha
te.org.uk/the-real-b
np/

a_j95 wrote:

thensx wrote:
a_j95, Andy R and Wild Berry, why do you assume that someone is stupid because they don't agree with your views? Why do you not present arguments and facts rather than childish insults (brain cell, half a brain...yawn)? You see the thing about stupid people is that they are so stupid that they don't realise that they are stupid. Take a look in the mirror.

I'm an (albeit slightly off the pace) autodidact with a job, this guy posts page and a half long responses, which, aside from the fact no-one important is ever going to read them, are ridiculously malinformed propaganda based on emotional issues and interests relating to tribalistic conservation of genetics. I could write a detailed essay in response, but if I add up the potential time taken vs amount of time I have available to write personal comments in my lunch break, I think it would jeopardise my future employment, a luxury I doubt Mr Orange has.

Hey aj_95 perhaps I should point out that you quoted my comment and then ranted on about someone else entirely? Like I said, look in the mirror.

I wish the BNP (or anyone in fact) would give air fares to white British trash who breed like rabbits yet have several generations who have never worked or tried to work yet claim as many benefits as possible and keep hard working migrant workers and families here. Some how I don't see all the overweight, smoking, listless breeding white men and women who blight Britain getting out of bed to work in the NHS or on London transport on an early shift.....thank goodness for migrant workers for keeping Britain Great.
We could dump half of the UK into other countries although I doubt very much they would want our lazy cast-offs.

TheInsider wrote:
I wish the BNP (or anyone in fact) would give air fares to white British trash who breed like rabbits yet have several generations who have never worked or tried to work yet claim as many benefits as possible and keep hard working migrant workers and families here. Some how I don't see all the overweight, smoking, listless breeding white men and women who blight Britain getting out of bed to work in the NHS or on London transport on an early shift.....thank goodness for migrant workers for keeping Britain Great. We could dump half of the UK into other countries although I doubt very much they would want our lazy cast-offs.

The deepening depression will put paid to that quirk in our society. A quirk bred by Labour and nobody else, where, for some, it is now financially advantageous not to work but just claim benefits instead!

Sooner or later Government expenditure has to be cut back - currently as a country we are living on borrowed money and it can't last. Last week as a country the Bank of England started "quantative easing" otherwise known as "printing money" something Zimbabwe did which caused rampant inflation there and it will cause the same here....but again after the election so that's someone elses problem isn't it?

Labour have put all the expenditure cuts off until after the election in 2010 (I wonder why..they say its because the economy will have bounced back by then..I say its because it will be somebody elses problem then...time will tell and time is running out) ...even the planned increase in VAT back to 17.5% (or was it 20% lol) is scheduled for after the election. A nice pill for the incoming Tories to swallow!!

The real trouble (and riots) will start late 2010 onwards...the dole and other benefits will have to be lowered in real terms and then those lazy people you refer to will emerge wanting jobs. (I see you refer to them as "white British Trash"...I wonder if I would have been able to say "Eastern European Immigrant trash"? without being called racist and having my post deleted - probably not! - nor personally would I have wanted to.)

It simply doesn't make financial sense to pay people the dole when jobs can be made available by sending purely economic migrants many of whom are here illegally back home.

"BRITISH JOBS FOR BRITISH WORKERS"...Crash Gordons mantra...not mine or the BNP's (although the latter were quite happy to pick it up)....now its time to deliver Gordon! Where are those jobs you promised Gordon because today I just saw yet more people being laid off in your financially stable, prudent country where you have "abolished boom and bust"!