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Grime and punishment - Brighton police use CCTV to catch messy officers


Police are installing a CCTV camera in their station kitchen to catch colleagues who do not wash up.

Officers in Brighton have been told to clean up their act by the city police’s top brass in a campaign dubbed Grimewatch by station wags.

The fourth floor kitchen at the police station in John Street has been plagued by rubbish, litter, spilled food and dirty crockery since a recent refurbishment.

Police rank and file were told on Tuesday about the plan for a camera to keep the facilities under surveillance - but the decision instantly sparked opposition from some officers.

Brighton’s new police commander, Chief Superintendent Graham Bartlett, said the camera should be a deterrent to stop people leaving a mess.

Ch Supt Bartlett said: “Eight hundred divisional police officers and staff have access to a new kitchen and rest room facility at Brighton police station.

”Unfortunately a small minority of people have been misusing the facilities which were provided by public money.

“I have therefore had to reluctantly take the decision that, in order to protect these facilities, we will use an overt camera to disuade people from spoiling the facility for others.”

Des Turner, MP for Brighton Kemptown, said: “Maybe it’ll encourage the police to mend their ways in the kitchen.

“This gives a new meaning to the phrase, the Filth.”

The Argus was tipped off by an anonymous text message which read: “What a waste of public money.

"Tough on crime, tougher on causers of grime.”

Ch Supt Bartlett said damage to the kitchen would waste money meant for policing.

He said: “I'd much rather be spending our police budget on neighbourhood policing than on any repairs which may arise in the future.

"No additional money was spent on the camera as it was already owned by Sussex Police."

Brian Stockham, chairman of Sussex Police Federation, which acts as the officers’ union, said representatives have raised the issue and plan to confront managers.

He said: “We have had representations made to us that this is happening. It will be dealt with with local management by our local representatives.

“At first sight it seems somewhat excessive.

“The mind boggles as to what abuses of facilities could be monitored by the service in future.”

He said management instead of surveillance should be used to bring officers into line.

He said: “Any abuse of facilities needs to be addressed by local supervision and management getting to grips with whatever the problem may be.

“To use CCTV as a way of addressing a problems seems to me excessive.

“It is a time-consuming device which at first sight appears a modern solution but does involve time and effort to use.”

David Lepper, MP for Brighton Pavilion, said: “It seems a bit over the top to me.

“CCTV plays a valuable role in deterring and catching criminals.

“I’m not sure they need to go as far as CCTV cameras.

“I would think the public conscience of each police officer should be enough.

“Surely they could draw up a rota?”


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Charlie C, Charlie says...
11:51pm Wed 18 Feb 09

Maybe they should dish out £80 fixed penalties.

NoWaySeriously, Hove says...
12:05am Thu 19 Feb 09

waste
of
money

RAS Putin, Brighton says...
12:12am Thu 19 Feb 09

The surveillance state comes home to roost.

MoreMikey, Formerly Bevendean (Lower, actually) says...
12:40am Thu 19 Feb 09

"...the decision instantly sparked opposition from some officers."

Ah. They can dish it out (groan) but they can't take it?

rhinofish, Hove says...
1:18am Thu 19 Feb 09

“To use CCTV as a way of addressing a problems seems to me excessive.

“It is a time-consuming device which at first sight appears a modern solution but does involve time and effort to use.”

Nice one Bartlett!

Is it ok to use that in defence in court now?

“To use CCTV as a way of addressing a problems seems to me excessive."

Cool!

The Garden Slug, your Kitchen says...
6:54am Thu 19 Feb 09

It will be traffic plod - odds on

stan bailey, brighton says...
6:59am Thu 19 Feb 09

What happened to police canteens? Why are the police wasting time cooking and cleaning?

Carl Bugenhagen, West Pier says...
8:33am Thu 19 Feb 09

We can come and stake out the kitchen and photograph them ourselves. We will then arrest anyone copper who tries to photograph us in return. What a bunch of idiots plod are, they get all they deserve.

Osama bin there, Brighton says...
8:45am Thu 19 Feb 09

But who is paying for it? The poor old taxpayer yet again. Waste of money. If they aren't bothered if their kitchen is sh1t, let them be pigs in sh1t. Why should the taxpayer pay for totally unnecessary cameras?

Dribbler, Ringmer says...
9:32am Thu 19 Feb 09

A job for the PCSO's at last! They could be useful... as cleaners to allow the 800, (are there that many police in the area) who have access to the kitchen to find out where the streets are and get out and do the job they are paid for. Any spare cash should be spent on getting them house trained too.

Ming, Brighton says...
11:20am Thu 19 Feb 09

pigs like mess :0)








Dave From Fishersgate, says...
11:43am Thu 19 Feb 09

If fresh straw is put in their house (which it should be) they keep their house very clean, they do not urinate or defecate in their house. So straw in their house will last quite a while. In fact, pigs prefer to sleep on clean dry straw at night.

I get upset when I see people putting pigs in dirty muddy houses, Pigs DO NOT like this.

Pontop Pike, Partridge Green says...
11:50am Thu 19 Feb 09

Ming wrote:
pigs like mess :0)
Very clever Ming! ( me thinks not )

sussex2, shoreham says...
11:51am Thu 19 Feb 09

What a bunch of idiots to even think about such a thing.
Goes to show how these people place such reliance on spying....what a sad day!

bibble, London (but visit Brighton regularly) says...
11:57am Thu 19 Feb 09

Oooh. CCTV "is a time-consuming device which at first sight appears a modern solution but does involve time and effort to use.”

So who is spending all the time to monitor all the public-watching CCTV cameras that are everywhere.


And “The mind boggles as to what abuses of facilities could be monitored by the service in future.” Well, it was reported yesterday that the police want to FORCE pubs to video every customer, and make that available on demand.

If the police don't like being watched (cos they aren't doing anything wrong), then they should have a better understanding of how a lot of the public feel.

Nic Brighton, Brighton says...
12:19pm Thu 19 Feb 09

What a joke and a total waste of money and time.
All the problem we have in this country, all those problems what police are supposed to deal with yet what the big bosses have been discussing is their messy kitchen???!!!

Get paid plenty to do that i bet!

Dickens Cider, Brighton says...
12:30pm Thu 19 Feb 09

I see they already own the camera, so no extra expense there then. Yeah someone will have to look at it for the first few weeks but that's probably offset by the cost of man-hours that would have to be spent clearing up the kitchen.

I understand how annoying it is but wonder how they will pick people out of the 800, lol. We have the same problem in our kitchen at work, it's disgusting so I can understand why they want to do something about it!

It may be a public service but they are all people too, and I think they deserve a clean kitchen!

John B2, Pulborough says...
12:58pm Thu 19 Feb 09

It's funny- They like watching US (didn't you know, we're ALL potential criminals just waiting to do something wrong if we're weren't watched 24/7?) but when they get a dose of their own medicine it's another story.

Ming, Brighton says...
1:00pm Thu 19 Feb 09

Pontop Pike wrote:
Ming wrote: pigs like mess :0)
Very clever Ming! ( me thinks not )
its not a story worthy of intellect

such-help

Granny, Brighton says...
1:06pm Thu 19 Feb 09

Can't Osama bin there read? It Says"No additional money was spent on the camera as it was already owned by the police"!

gingerninja, Brighton says...
1:26pm Thu 19 Feb 09

As a member of staff at the station, I can honestly say that the state that some officers leave the kitchens in is shocking. However, as we have no canteen facilities and officers are often working ridiculously long hours and have minimal time to eat, I can almost understand it. We used to have a bar with some hot food and sandwiches provided but no-one really used it as the food was awful. If decent cooked food was provided at reasonable prices, the situation would greatly improve I've no doubt.

Carl Bugenhagen, West Pier says...
2:09pm Thu 19 Feb 09

Are you saying the Police can't be trusted to follow basic rules that are There For The Good Of Everyone, even of hygiene?

You couldn't make this story up.

pigletstrotters, Brighton says...
3:25pm Thu 19 Feb 09

gingerninja wrote:
As a member of staff at the station, I can honestly say that the state that some officers leave the kitchens in is shocking. However, as we have no canteen facilities and officers are often working ridiculously long hours and have minimal time to eat, I can almost understand it. We used to have a bar with some hot food and sandwiches provided but no-one really used it as the food was awful. If decent cooked food was provided at reasonable prices, the situation would greatly improve I've no doubt.
What ****...you coppers have dopey wives at home who do everything for you ,,so why would washing up be something you should do ,,l suspect its enough that you manage to throw your bowls in the sink ,

Jonathon, Brighton says...
3:40pm Thu 19 Feb 09

This this really news?

feline1, Brighton says...
3:42pm Thu 19 Feb 09

I trust they will also be installing CCTV in the loos so they can check if officers are wiping their bums properly?

Carl Bugenhagen, West Pier says...
4:35pm Thu 19 Feb 09

It is news Jonathan, because we live in the number one surveillance society in the EU and one of the worst in the world - look at Policestate.co.uk - and here we have the Police who avail themselves of every opportunity to monitor us ('them', to use the Police technical term)complaining when the cameras are turned on them for once. This from the same force that were intimidating innocent visitors to the Cowley Club only last week. The hypocrisy is astounding.

And thanks to whoever is reporting all this is the national papers, please make the link to the Cowley Club event and put some pressure on Sussex Police.

Jim BB, Brighton says...
5:58pm Thu 19 Feb 09

And that's why there are no police on the streets - too busy watching their dirty crockery. Too many crocks and all that.

greeg, glasgow says...
1:19am Fri 20 Feb 09

Great,the cops have found a new way of wasting tax payers money.Can we appear at the station and demand to mull over the footage to see the wrongdoers?

davyboy, abingdon, oxon says...
9:07am Fri 20 Feb 09

The Garden Slug wrote:
It will be traffic plod - odds on
as usual slug has a dig at the traffic police. why should it be them all the time?? more likely the sit at their desks C.I.D.

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