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Every Brighton street to be photographed and put on the web

SPOTTED: The Google car in Saltdean yesterday SPOTTED: The Google car in Saltdean yesterday

How would you feel if you Googled your home address and were confronted with a picture of yourself putting out the rubbish or bleary-eyed at the kitchen window?

That is the reality facing every resident in Brighton and Hove after a service which allows people to zoom in on images of people's front doors launched in the city.

Google Street View was unveiled in 25 locations across the country yesterday (THUR) meaning instant access to views of millions of UK streets.

And The Argus can reveal Brighton is next on the list after the Google team were spotted yesterday taking pictures in Saltdean.

Every street, road, avenue and close will be snapped by the cameras, which are mounted on the top of an unmarked car.

The service, which will mean eye-level images of every city street will be available online, has come under fire from privacy campaign groups who claim the service could even help burglars identify targets.

Other concerns photographing people emerging from places of worship, health clinics or even being snapped with mistresses.

When the application was launched in the United States within hours bloggers posted images of people, their faces visible, being arrested, sunbathing and urinating in public.

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Simon Davies, director of Privacy International, argued that the company should have sought the consent of the communities it was photographing before launching the service and vowed to fight the service until it was taken down.

Des Turner, Labour MP for Brighton Kemptown, added that there was “a potential for the invasion of privacy.”

He added: “The ability to do things sometimes comes before the debate about whether they are the right things to do.”

A Google spokeswoman said the UK weather had delayed the unveiling, but added: “We have got a long way to go but if you have seen the car, you can safely assume that Brighton will be one of the cities to feature soon.”

She also said the company “built privacy controls into our product from the ground up”.

The spokeswoman added: “Where faces are identifiable we will blur them out as well as licence plates.

“Also if you are a user and you are unhappy with an image, if you don't want your house on there, we've put a button on there so you can remove it.”

The spokeswoman added that concerns about burglars using the service to check potential targets were unfounded and that the company had been working with the Metropolitan Police, who she said did not believe there would be an increased risk of burglary to houses featured on street view.

She said: “It's very easy to blame new technology but it's the criminals that are responsible for the crime, not the technology.”

Alan Haffenden, from the Sussex Police Crime Prevention Team, said: “Google clearly state that their Street View facility only features photographs taken on public property and that they are no different from what any person can readily see or capture when they are walking down a street.

“Therefore, we do not envisage there being any crime prevention issues.”

The Information Commissioner’s office was consulted by Google about its plans, and gave approval for the launch. Lawyers doubt any legal action could succeed.

Comments(49)

magoo says...
7:08am Fri 20 Mar 09

“Google clearly state that their Street View facility only features photographs taken on public property and that they are no different from what any person can readily see or capture when they are walking down a street."

No but most people's photo's won't be available to all and sundry. What if you don't want certain people to know where you are? What if you are part of witness protection?

Tye says...
7:22am Fri 20 Mar 09

Ironic how a NULabour MP so concerned about Privacy considering all the new laws they bring in.

The Only privacy they care about are regarding their expenses and their perks.
Hypocrits!

cheezburger says...
7:40am Fri 20 Mar 09

So what. We are already on CCTV everywhere and being watched by satellites. Street view is good fun and well worth having a look at. I mean what do you want? Make people walking down your street wear a bag over their head?

chusan says...
7:51am Fri 20 Mar 09

Tye wrote:
Ironic how a NULabour MP so concerned about Privacy considering all the new laws they bring in. The Only privacy they care about are regarding their expenses and their perks. Hypocrits!
Do you think for one minute things will change under a Tory Government.Perhaps you think they will take away c.c.tv and the like?

dr-dougal says...
7:58am Fri 20 Mar 09

Well put cheezburger!

Another poor article in my opinion, we all know that this story has been covered time and time again. In fact, it was covered by the national press about 6 months back or more........... catch up Argus!

ButMadNNW says...
8:06am Fri 20 Mar 09

Another thing to keep in mind is that these aren't live photos. They can be months out of date.

GrumbleAlong says...
8:12am Fri 20 Mar 09

Unmarked? No, discreetly marked? Yes.
http://www.pinter75.
com/gv/ has photos. Although I don't think you'll miss the car. Not with the mast on top.

Anyway, being a newspaper who by it's very nature, relies on showing photo's of people not always at their best I would think you'd applaud the use of public photos.

Hove person says...
8:27am Fri 20 Mar 09

Go to Google Earth and you can find your house already


Athena says...
8:32am Fri 20 Mar 09

I'm an internet geek and I love Google Maps but I'm very, very wary of this one. It means the Government can study your house too see if you have environmentally-frie
ndly double-glazing or if you keep your wheelie-bin one inch out of place. Do people not WANT privacy any more?

Brap Brap says...
9:28am Fri 20 Mar 09

This is quite fun, actually. And all these people crying about "being seen". chances are you won't be about when the picture is taken, so stop crying about it.

Brap Brap says...
9:32am Fri 20 Mar 09

Actually, look at those pictures, this looks like a bit of a hoax.

I mean, would they sen one man in a crazy-looking car to photography Saltdean?

Chances are it'll be a TEAM of VAN and more than one man.

It just doesn't look "scientific" enough. More likely this guy was just surveying the area in preparation to have the full team round. You know, measuring up, finding the best locations to capture as much info as possible in a short a time as possible

anubis says...
9:32am Fri 20 Mar 09

In principle, I have no objection to the proposals -- there are numerous positive spin-offs that spring to mind. To argue technology aids criminals is no more true in the abstract than that the same technology aids law enforcement. (Some might have argued the invention of the motor car aided criminals by providing them with the means for a 'quick getaway' with their loot!)

There is an aspect of this technology of which home owners SHOULD be aware. When I look at our street on Google Earth, I note the arrow indicating our house number is erroneously placed -- it points to a nearby neighbour's home. At great expense, our neighbour 'upgraded' his home by adding rooms to the attic; all this is clearly shown in the Google photograph. Now, if the Council geezers who calculate the rates applicable for 'community charge' bills base their estimates on the Google pictures, I can see my neighbour's luxuries costing me lots of money!

A sobering thought for the many who imagine the google mapping is of no concern to them and can be safely ignored !?

Athena says...
9:44am Fri 20 Mar 09

This is my point, Anubis. It's just another way of letting the public think they are having "fun", while their governments and other agencies spy on them.

Paul Skinnbach says...
10:01am Fri 20 Mar 09

Athena wrote:
I'm an internet geek and I love Google Maps but I'm very, very wary of this one. It means the Government can study your house too see if you have environmentally-frie ndly double-glazing or if you keep your wheelie-bin one inch out of place. Do people not WANT privacy any more?

privacy concerns? Who in the f*ck really cares!? I think you have watched Enemy of the State one too many times. Get a life, a job or a hobby.

"ooh the government are watching me, the government are weighing my bins, ooh i haven't got anything else to moan about" For crying out loud.

Crunchie says...
10:03am Fri 20 Mar 09

Athena wrote:
I'm an internet geek and I love Google Maps but I'm very, very wary of this one. It means the Government can study your house too see if you have environmentally-frie

ndly double-glazing or if you keep your wheelie-bin one inch out of place. Do people not WANT privacy any more?
Ooh, that bad old Government! But, don't wheelie bins move from one day to another? And there isn't a law against single glazing, is there?

So ... perhaps you're being a bit paranoid.

Colin_Hunt says...
10:06am Fri 20 Mar 09

Paranoia? Much!

Stop whinging! As I just said to my colleague, it's not taking pictures pictures of you in your house jacking off, so stop moaning.

It's great. You can "revisit" your holiday destinations, brilliant :)

Charismatic Andrew says...
10:06am Fri 20 Mar 09

How would you feel if you Googled your home address and were confronted with a picture of yourself putting out the rubbish?

I would be a little perplexed, wondering why it wasn't my wife doing it.

freddo says...
10:14am Fri 20 Mar 09

I've always thought the windows on the top decks of busses should be blacked out to prevent nosy parkers looking into people's private gardens.

Paul Skinnbach says...
10:19am Fri 20 Mar 09

Charismatic Andrew wrote:
How would you feel if you Googled your home address and were confronted with a picture of yourself putting out the rubbish? I would be a little perplexed, wondering why it wasn't my wife doing it.
The only thing I am worried about is the whole world seeing the giant phallic image I have fashioned out of old gardening trousers on my garage roof. It would probably alert the neighbours to what a completed moron they are living next to.

The "nanny state" Daily Mail readers need at least something to moan about.


pitor says...
10:38am Fri 20 Mar 09

NOW I CANT MAKE LOVE IN THE GARDEN ON A WARM SUNNY DAY IN CASE THE CAMERA CAN SEE OVER MY HEDGE

Athena says...
10:49am Fri 20 Mar 09

Paul Skinnbach wrote:
Athena wrote:
I'm an internet geek and I love Google Maps but I'm very, very wary of this one. It means the Government can study your house too see if you have environmentally-frie ndly double-glazing or if you keep your wheelie-bin one inch out of place. Do people not WANT privacy any more?

privacy concerns? Who in the f*ck really cares!? I think you have watched Enemy of the State one too many times. Get a life, a job or a hobby.

"ooh the government are watching me, the government are weighing my bins, ooh i haven't got anything else to moan about" For crying out loud.
What is Enemy of the State? I've never seen it or heard of it.

Someone who uses the terms "f*ck" and "get a life" on such a forum shows they don't know how to think, but live on street cliches. Start thinking.

Athena says...
10:53am Fri 20 Mar 09

Crunchie wrote:
Athena wrote:
I'm an internet geek and I love Google Maps but I'm very, very wary of this one. It means the Government can study your house too see if you have environmentally-frie


ndly double-glazing or if you keep your wheelie-bin one inch out of place. Do people not WANT privacy any more?
Ooh, that bad old Government! But, don't wheelie bins move from one day to another? And there isn't a law against single glazing, is there?

So ... perhaps you're being a bit paranoid.
No, there isn't a law against double-glazing. However, you pay a higher local tax if you have double-glazing because of the increased value of your property. We all write to the local council as soon as we have made improvements to our property, don't we? We want to pay our extra Community Charge, don't we? No? Well, the local council can just have a look on Google and see what we've been up to on our properties.

jakiB says...
10:56am Fri 20 Mar 09

Who wants to look at Brighton anyway? I certainly don't.

Osama bin there says...
11:10am Fri 20 Mar 09

Who cares? I don't. Do you really think that anyone in the government has the time to scan everyone's front garden to see what we are up to? Nothing is the answer - most of the time anyway.
And the burglar thing. Don't you think that what burglars actually do is go to your street, find an empty house, and then burgle it. Google isn't going to help them at all.

Masterchav says...
11:15am Fri 20 Mar 09

I find that driving down the road and using my eyes has much the same effect as using Streetview, but you don't need an internet connection either.

Looking doesn't get any tougher than THIS!!!

Leon says...
11:44am Fri 20 Mar 09

To quote the argus

"How would you feel if you Googled your home address and were CONFRONTED with a picture of yourself...."

Ooooooh! CONFRONTED. What drama and what a non-story.

I have no concerns whatsoever

Yawn!

feline1 says...
11:49am Fri 20 Mar 09

I was browsing on google streetview for ages yesterday, looking up all the places in Bristol, Belfast, Birmingham and York where I used to live. It gave me at least one and a half hours of fun before I got bored! It's great! :)

GreenGrocer says...
12:32pm Fri 20 Mar 09

What a non-story, who cares if the view of the outside of your house etc is on the net, as if it will make any difference to crime or privacy, total cr*p!!

The only people worried no doubt will be those caught in Gimp masks coming out of the neighbours house after a mornings bonk with the wife whilst her husband is at work! Non Story! LOL!

getreal says...
1:58pm Fri 20 Mar 09

GreenGrocer wrote:
What a non-story, who cares if the view of the outside of your house etc is on the net, as if it will make any difference to crime or privacy, total cr*p!! The only people worried no doubt will be those caught in Gimp masks coming out of the neighbours house after a mornings bonk with the wife whilst her husband is at work! Non Story! LOL!
Agree completely.

Osama bin there says...
2:11pm Fri 20 Mar 09

Masterchav wrote:
I find that driving down the road and using my eyes has much the same effect as using Streetview, but you don't need an internet connection either. Looking doesn't get any tougher than THIS!!!
That's the funniest posting for some time.....!

Dickens Cider says...
2:14pm Fri 20 Mar 09

Don't really have a problem with it to be honest, saw it on the BBC this morning and all the faces were blurred out. They're doing it to registrations etc too so it's not like there will be anything easily identifiable on there?

It's not like it's going to be photographs of the INSIDE of your house lol. No one except the people you know will be possibly able to identify you from a picture if the face is blurred and it's not too close up.

If you're not doing anything wrong, you have nothing to hide :)

Paul Skinnbach says...
2:34pm Fri 20 Mar 09

Athena wrote:
Paul Skinnbach wrote:
Athena wrote: I'm an internet geek and I love Google Maps but I'm very, very wary of this one. It means the Government can study your house too see if you have environmentally-frie ndly double-glazing or if you keep your wheelie-bin one inch out of place. Do people not WANT privacy any more?
privacy concerns? Who in the f*ck really cares!? I think you have watched Enemy of the State one too many times. Get a life, a job or a hobby. "ooh the government are watching me, the government are weighing my bins, ooh i haven't got anything else to moan about" For crying out loud.
What is Enemy of the State? I've never seen it or heard of it. Someone who uses the terms "f*ck" and "get a life" on such a forum shows they don't know how to think, but live on street cliches. Start thinking.
Oh, I am sorry for concluding that you were an idiot for being concerned about Google documenting the movement of your wheelie bin.

To be honest, this is an Argus forum, and as such the thought required to reply to the defensive reactionary opinionated drivel purveyed by Southern Counties Radio listeners, like yourself, is minimal.

Paul Skinnbach says...
2:41pm Fri 20 Mar 09

Athena wrote:
Crunchie wrote:
Athena wrote: I'm an internet geek and I love Google Maps but I'm very, very wary of this one. It means the Government can study your house too see if you have environmentally-frie ndly double-glazing or if you keep your wheelie-bin one inch out of place. Do people not WANT privacy any more?
Ooh, that bad old Government! But, don't wheelie bins move from one day to another? And there isn't a law against single glazing, is there? So ... perhaps you're being a bit paranoid.
No, there isn't a law against double-glazing. However, you pay a higher local tax if you have double-glazing because of the increased value of your property. We all write to the local council as soon as we have made improvements to our property, don't we? We want to pay our extra Community Charge, don't we? No? Well, the local council can just have a look on Google and see what we've been up to on our properties.
That is a seriously malinformed opinion.

If that was the case, surely by having double glazing you are saving money on heating, therefore offsetting the increased council tax anyway?

Maybe you should do some thinking, Oh great one.

GreenGrocer says...
5:12pm Fri 20 Mar 09

Well come to think of it....

I think we should all (me included) Get a life and stop worrying about the rubbish articles on the Arsegas website, it's a lovely day outside, so all you "concerned of" hove/brighton/bexhil
l/haywards heath/Alicante/Abind
on and wherever else, go get some fresh air!! I'm off out it far more interesting in the REAL WORLD! lol!

Jim BB says...
5:44pm Fri 20 Mar 09

Apparently, you can ask for any photo you find intrusive to be removed - or for your entire house to be blanked out.

So far, they've had to remove a photo of a person being arrested and someone else being sick. In all fairness, you can see why people wouldn't want these made available to everyone. Including their mothers.

I used it to try to look at hotels in the US but found it got too blurry if I tried to get any closer. Nice idea but not as user-friendly as it could be for holiday-destinations
. Not sure anyone needs to see my home - it needs painting first.

Guerrero says...
6:17pm Fri 20 Mar 09

I hope the rubbish,dossers,junk
ies,alcoholics and nutters that wander the streets of Brighton will be airbrushed out or nobody will visit the place.

ButMadNNW says...
6:32pm Fri 20 Mar 09

Here's a good example about the outdated photos. I just looked up my house here in California, and the Google image shows a yard sign from the company that installed our new windows. That happened over a year ago! So if you're paranoid about the council raising your taxes because of improvements to your house, they won't know about it for at least a year, anyway! ;-)

Athena says...
11:29pm Fri 20 Mar 09

One final thought. What about houses which identify themselves as where children live? Possibly your children. Do you want to advertise that to weirdos who may choose where to live, work or operate on the basis of such photos?

kkj says...
12:40am Sat 21 Mar 09

As far as I can see, 'streetview' offers no more than can be seen by walking down the street - actually less as these are not live views. So people can see your house from the comfort of their own homes - so what? What does it give them that they couldn't get elsewhere?

Athena - do you really think that council officials are going to study Google maps to see if we've all carried out home improvements? Do you really think that 'weirdos' are going to study Google maps to decide where to 'live, work or operate'?

If anyone can tell me how this compromises my privacy I'm all ears - views of my house(and yours) have been available on Google maps for years - aerial views admittedly - but as far as i'm aware I've not been targetted by weirdos or the council (and I've had a new roof)

MrPresident says...
12:48am Sat 21 Mar 09

What a bunch of paranoid d*ckheads you must be for objecting to this. Someone's even put "what if you're in witness protection?". Do me a favour. As for Athena who put some paranoid comment about weirdos using it to target where children live, well all I can say is that it's a rediculous thing to say. It's no different than someone walking down your street on any day of the week. The difference being that the photos are not live. As for the councils using it for some covert purposes, don't you think that it's just as easy to jump in a car and drive down the street. Pure 100% paranoia. The only reason that you would not want to be photographed would be if you're doing something wrong. There's not some secret army of people out there taking a specific interest in YOUR life. Not unless you're doing something wrong. Just because you're on Google street view walking down the road does not mean that the "Men in Black" are coming to get you and bundle you into the back of thier van, although I think men in white coats might come for you if you show such paranoia.

caeos says...
1:22am Sat 21 Mar 09

wait till they re write the article net week to read
"Every HOVE street to be photographed and put on the web" or arent Hove being done?

Athena says...
1:25am Sat 21 Mar 09

Someone on Radio 2 today (yesterday) made the comment about the safety of children. Toys can be seen in windows. Most people are wonderful and wouldn't dream of abusing this but there are weirdos out there. One woman on Radio 2 said she had requested her house be removed but was told that "personal privacy" wasn't a good enough reason. Another asked why an American company should invade our country without permission and photograph all our houses for their profit. During the War, for example, govts tried to make it very difficult or impossible for the enemy to acquire the sort of info now available all over the web.

Athena says...
1:29am Sat 21 Mar 09

I don't live in England any more, fortunately, so I don't know whether Brighton and Hove City Council is one of those which puts micro-chips in your wheelie-bins. But any council which goes to the trouble of measuring and spying on your rubbish is very interested in how you live your life and what you do with your house. Particularly if they can get you to pay extra for it.

Paul Skinnbach says...
12:55pm Sat 21 Mar 09

Athena wrote:
Someone on Radio 2 today (yesterday) made the comment about the safety of children. Toys can be seen in windows. Most people are wonderful and wouldn't dream of abusing this but there are weirdos out there. One woman on Radio 2 said she had requested her house be removed but was told that "personal privacy" wasn't a good enough reason. Another asked why an American company should invade our country without permission and photograph all our houses for their profit. During the War, for example, govts tried to make it very difficult or impossible for the enemy to acquire the sort of info now available all over the web.
Oh my God, are you actually thinking these ridiculous things? We are not at war with America.
Paedophiles can actually walk down the street if they want to see toys in windows. I am saying this because I am worried for you, please, please stop reading the Daily Mail, it has seriously affected your ability to make reasoned judgement.

In Whitehawk says...
4:44pm Sat 21 Mar 09

Personally, I'll approve anything that'll show how disgusting & filthy the side roads off of Whitehawk Road are, the road sweepers seem to think that as long as that is swept the rest of us can go to hell! I live in the Coolham Drive area & I think we've had one clean since Christmas, which is appalling.

Athena says...
4:46pm Sat 21 Mar 09

Paul Skinnbach wrote:
Athena wrote:
Someone on Radio 2 today (yesterday) made the comment about the safety of children. Toys can be seen in windows. Most people are wonderful and wouldn't dream of abusing this but there are weirdos out there. One woman on Radio 2 said she had requested her house be removed but was told that "personal privacy" wasn't a good enough reason. Another asked why an American company should invade our country without permission and photograph all our houses for their profit. During the War, for example, govts tried to make it very difficult or impossible for the enemy to acquire the sort of info now available all over the web.
Oh my God, are you actually thinking these ridiculous things? We are not at war with America.
Paedophiles can actually walk down the street if they want to see toys in windows. I am saying this because I am worried for you, please, please stop reading the Daily Mail, it has seriously affected your ability to make reasoned judgement.
Why assume I read the Daily Mail? You could assume I read The Sun, too, for both papers have misgivings about this. You, of course, must be a Guardian Reader, a very silly and self-righteous newspaper. (I read The Telegraph, btw.)

Guerrero says...
5:57pm Sat 21 Mar 09

In Whitehawk wrote:
Personally, I'll approve anything that'll show how disgusting & filthy the side roads off of Whitehawk Road are, the road sweepers seem to think that as long as that is swept the rest of us can go to hell! I live in the Coolham Drive area & I think we've had one clean since Christmas, which is appalling.
I suppose the good people of Whitehawk could.
A)Not throw so much rubbish around.
B)Clean the mess up themselves.
Don't accuse me of being prejudiced.I lived there for 24 years and loved it there.

Paul Skinnbach says...
2:24pm Mon 23 Mar 09

Athena wrote:
Paul Skinnbach wrote:
Athena wrote: Someone on Radio 2 today (yesterday) made the comment about the safety of children. Toys can be seen in windows. Most people are wonderful and wouldn't dream of abusing this but there are weirdos out there. One woman on Radio 2 said she had requested her house be removed but was told that "personal privacy" wasn't a good enough reason. Another asked why an American company should invade our country without permission and photograph all our houses for their profit. During the War, for example, govts tried to make it very difficult or impossible for the enemy to acquire the sort of info now available all over the web.
Oh my God, are you actually thinking these ridiculous things? We are not at war with America. Paedophiles can actually walk down the street if they want to see toys in windows. I am saying this because I am worried for you, please, please stop reading the Daily Mail, it has seriously affected your ability to make reasoned judgement.
Why assume I read the Daily Mail? You could assume I read The Sun, too, for both papers have misgivings about this. You, of course, must be a Guardian Reader, a very silly and self-righteous newspaper. (I read The Telegraph, btw.)
I find it funny how you would assume I am a Guardian Reader for not believing in being spied upon by the council!?

Yes I do assume you read The Sun.

I very much think that.

mackeson says...
8:11pm Tue 24 Mar 09

Has anyone actually bothered to have a look at Street View? From what I can see, the faces and car number plates are all fuzzy so unless you recognize someone by the clothes they wear or something specific about the car, you are anonymous.
So get real.

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