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Brighton's St Peter's Church saved

The Argus: Brighton's St Peter's Church Brighton's St Peter's Church

An iconic church has been saved after a plan to hand it over to a London-based Anglican group was approved.

St Peter's Church in York Place, Brighton, faced closure after falling congregation numbers and structural disrepair made it financially unsound.

But this week Holy Trinity Brompton, a world renowned Anglican group who first developed the Alpha Course, agreed to take over the running of the church.

For more than a year it looked as though Grade II* St Peter's - one of Brighton's most prominent landmarks - might be closed as a place of worship and converted into a cafe or shops.

But under the new pastoral scheme approved by the Church Commissioners on Tuesday St Peter's will remain under Church of England control.

It will be leased by the Chichester Diocesan Fund and Board of Finance to HTB who will maintain the building and run services.

The parish and benefice of Brighton and St Peter with the Chapel Royal will be dissolved and two new parishes and benefices created – Brighton The Chapel Royal and Brighton St Peter.

Jean Calder, convenor of the Friends of St Peter's Church said: "We welcome the help of HTB.

"We accept the proposed division of the two parishes and note that although the new parish of St Peter will be reduced in size, this might make it easier for the church to serve the city as a whole."

But the group have made a request to the Church Commissioners that worship continue during the handover period.

Ms Calder added: "After the epic struggle to save the church, the last thing the congregation needs is to be dispersed, which would create a risk of vandalism.

"It is vital to ensure the period of redundancy is for a matter of hours, rather than days, weeks or months."

But a spokesman for the Diocese of Chichester says this is unlikely.

Revd David Guest said: "This is just one early step in a long process – nothing is confirmed for sure.

"We must now partake in further legal discussions and also perhaps the repair of the church roof before Holy Trinity Brompton could arrive.

"The church may well have to close until the final details of the agreement are decided upon and dates are fixed by the bishop.

"It is a little bit like selling a house – you wouldn't expect to have people moving in the next day, there are a lot of legal details to be dealt with.

"Hopefully it will be no more than a matter of months and then we can all join hands and reopen St Peter's with HTB."

A spokesman from HTB said: “"It has been a privilege to work with the diocese of Chichester on the future of St Peter's Brighton and we are grateful to the Bishop and his leadership team for all their encouragement and support.

“We are excited to have been invited to play a part in the diocese's vision for a new chapter in the life of St Peter's."

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12:07pm Fri 8 May 09

quedula says...

Thank god I'm an atheist.
Thank god I'm an atheist. quedula
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12:23pm Fri 8 May 09

ABC1 says...

Were you aware that the total number of people attending church on Sunday is greater than the total number of people attending a weeks football league matches?
Were you aware that the total number of people attending church on Sunday is greater than the total number of people attending a weeks football league matches? ABC1
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12:28pm Fri 8 May 09

Dixonian says...

This story is chock-full of church jargon. I'm guessing the writer doesn't know what half of it means...
This story is chock-full of church jargon. I'm guessing the writer doesn't know what half of it means... Dixonian
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12:42pm Fri 8 May 09

maxiboy says...

It is just terrible that Brighton's catherdral like church was allowed to rot in the first place. It has always a integral part of the city's appearance. I hope it's restored to its former glory. And yes this is a Christian city as is the UK and always will be.
It is just terrible that Brighton's catherdral like church was allowed to rot in the first place. It has always a integral part of the city's appearance. I hope it's restored to its former glory. And yes this is a Christian city as is the UK and always will be. maxiboy
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12:44pm Fri 8 May 09

Cry Me A River says...

ABC1 wrote:
Were you aware that the total number of people attending church on Sunday is greater than the total number of people attending a weeks football league matches?
Where you aware that those people going to Church would be much better off if they had a lie-in on Sunday morning?

Also, Brighton doesn't need anymore religious nuts... Or any more nuts, actually...
[quote][p][bold]ABC1[/bold] wrote: Were you aware that the total number of people attending church on Sunday is greater than the total number of people attending a weeks football league matches?[/p][/quote]Where you aware that those people going to Church would be much better off if they had a lie-in on Sunday morning? Also, Brighton doesn't need anymore religious nuts... Or any more nuts, actually... Cry Me A River
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12:52pm Fri 8 May 09

ABC1 says...

I'm just pointing out that although it is fashionable to decry religion, it is still extremely important to a very large section of the population.

The stats don't include non-Christians either.....
I'm just pointing out that although it is fashionable to decry religion, it is still extremely important to a very large section of the population. The stats don't include non-Christians either..... ABC1
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1:12pm Fri 8 May 09

Jaghebby says...

It might well be important - but that doesn't alter the fact that as god does not exist they are all deluded! I think the following puts it quite nicely

In every village there is a beacon - the teacher and an extinguisher - the priest!
It might well be important - but that doesn't alter the fact that as god does not exist they are all deluded! I think the following puts it quite nicely In every village there is a beacon - the teacher and an extinguisher - the priest! Jaghebby
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1:23pm Fri 8 May 09

Cry Me A River says...

ABC1 wrote:
I'm just pointing out that although it is fashionable to decry religion, it is still extremely important to a very large section of the population.

The stats don't include non-Christians either.....
A large section of the ELDERLY population.
[quote][p][bold]ABC1[/bold] wrote: I'm just pointing out that although it is fashionable to decry religion, it is still extremely important to a very large section of the population. The stats don't include non-Christians either.....[/p][/quote]A large section of the ELDERLY population. Cry Me A River
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1:53pm Fri 8 May 09

PETE OF QUEENS PARK says...

Does it now mean no more begging by the riches land owners in the country, because I am all for if a place doesn't pay Knock it down and put something in its place that does pay without begging
Does it now mean no more begging by the riches land owners in the country, because I am all for if a place doesn't pay Knock it down and put something in its place that does pay without begging PETE OF QUEENS PARK
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2:13pm Fri 8 May 09

jonathon says...

What a waste of money.
What a waste of money. jonathon
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2:35pm Fri 8 May 09

BiggerH says...

if I go on one of these Alpha courses, will I get a certificate to say how bonkers I am?
if I go on one of these Alpha courses, will I get a certificate to say how bonkers I am? BiggerH
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2:37pm Fri 8 May 09

Juan Albion says...

Cry Me A River wrote:
ABC1 wrote: Were you aware that the total number of people attending church on Sunday is greater than the total number of people attending a weeks football league matches?
Where you aware that those people going to Church would be much better off if they had a lie-in on Sunday morning? Also, Brighton doesn't need anymore religious nuts... Or any more nuts, actually...
You are an arrogant person, aren't you.
[quote][p][bold]Cry Me A River[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ABC1[/bold] wrote: Were you aware that the total number of people attending church on Sunday is greater than the total number of people attending a weeks football league matches?[/p][/quote]Where you aware that those people going to Church would be much better off if they had a lie-in on Sunday morning? Also, Brighton doesn't need anymore religious nuts... Or any more nuts, actually...[/p][/quote]You are an arrogant person, aren't you. Juan Albion
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2:41pm Fri 8 May 09

Cry Me A River says...

Juan Albion wrote:
Cry Me A River wrote:
ABC1 wrote: Were you aware that the total number of people attending church on Sunday is greater than the total number of people attending a weeks football league matches?
Where you aware that those people going to Church would be much better off if they had a lie-in on Sunday morning? Also, Brighton doesn't need anymore religious nuts... Or any more nuts, actually...
You are an arrogant person, aren't you.
Nope, just a non-deluded citizen capable of seeing the Church for what it is; a brainwashing, money-grabbing establishment no better than a piece of gum on the street.

False hope anyone?
[quote][p][bold]Juan Albion[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cry Me A River[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ABC1[/bold] wrote: Were you aware that the total number of people attending church on Sunday is greater than the total number of people attending a weeks football league matches?[/p][/quote]Where you aware that those people going to Church would be much better off if they had a lie-in on Sunday morning? Also, Brighton doesn't need anymore religious nuts... Or any more nuts, actually...[/p][/quote]You are an arrogant person, aren't you. [/p][/quote]Nope, just a non-deluded citizen capable of seeing the Church for what it is; a brainwashing, money-grabbing establishment no better than a piece of gum on the street. False hope anyone? Cry Me A River
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2:53pm Fri 8 May 09

miss_lad_pink says...

This is great news - i think St Peters Church is amazing dont care what anyone else says least it wont turn into another cafe or shop just a pleaseant church, well thats what i think anyway.
This is great news - i think St Peters Church is amazing dont care what anyone else says least it wont turn into another cafe or shop just a pleaseant church, well thats what i think anyway. miss_lad_pink
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3:08pm Fri 8 May 09

Mark Too says...

It's not exactly an architectural masterpiece so a cafe and shops sounds good to me! Or knock it down and build a mosque, that would fit in nicely with the Royal Pavillion.
It's not exactly an architectural masterpiece so a cafe and shops sounds good to me! Or knock it down and build a mosque, that would fit in nicely with the Royal Pavillion. Mark Too
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3:28pm Fri 8 May 09

Juan Albion says...

Cry Me A River wrote:
Juan Albion wrote:
Cry Me A River wrote:
ABC1 wrote: Were you aware that the total number of people attending church on Sunday is greater than the total number of people attending a weeks football league matches?
Where you aware that those people going to Church would be much better off if they had a lie-in on Sunday morning? Also, Brighton doesn't need anymore religious nuts... Or any more nuts, actually...
You are an arrogant person, aren't you.
Nope, just a non-deluded citizen capable of seeing the Church for what it is; a brainwashing, money-grabbing establishment no better than a piece of gum on the street. False hope anyone?
Ah! You are right, they are wrong. But you're not arrogant? Well, I am a person of faith, with seven years of higher education, so statistically I am probably 'smarter' than you. But I don't go around telling you that you are a 'nut' because you think differently to me. I wouldn't be that arrogant. I respect your beliefs, even if I don't agree with them. Your "false hope anyone?" comment does suggest to me, however, that you have no real understanding of Christians or what motivates them.
[quote][p][bold]Cry Me A River[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Juan Albion[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cry Me A River[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ABC1[/bold] wrote: Were you aware that the total number of people attending church on Sunday is greater than the total number of people attending a weeks football league matches?[/p][/quote]Where you aware that those people going to Church would be much better off if they had a lie-in on Sunday morning? Also, Brighton doesn't need anymore religious nuts... Or any more nuts, actually...[/p][/quote]You are an arrogant person, aren't you. [/p][/quote]Nope, just a non-deluded citizen capable of seeing the Church for what it is; a brainwashing, money-grabbing establishment no better than a piece of gum on the street. False hope anyone?[/p][/quote]Ah! You are right, they are wrong. But you're not arrogant? Well, I am a person of faith, with seven years of higher education, so statistically I am probably 'smarter' than you. But I don't go around telling you that you are a 'nut' because you think differently to me. I wouldn't be that arrogant. I respect your beliefs, even if I don't agree with them. Your "false hope anyone?" comment does suggest to me, however, that you have no real understanding of Christians or what motivates them. Juan Albion
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4:10pm Fri 8 May 09

phaser says...

I went to a God Squad wedding once. That was weird
I went to a God Squad wedding once. That was weird phaser
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4:17pm Fri 8 May 09

quedula says...

Juan Albion wrote:
Cry Me A River wrote:
Juan Albion wrote:
Cry Me A River wrote:
ABC1 wrote: Were you aware that the total number of people attending church on Sunday is greater than the total number of people attending a weeks football league matches?
Where you aware that those people going to Church would be much better off if they had a lie-in on Sunday morning? Also, Brighton doesn't need anymore religious nuts... Or any more nuts, actually...
You are an arrogant person, aren't you.
Nope, just a non-deluded citizen capable of seeing the Church for what it is; a brainwashing, money-grabbing establishment no better than a piece of gum on the street. False hope anyone?
Ah! You are right, they are wrong. But you're not arrogant? Well, I am a person of faith, with seven years of higher education, so statistically I am probably 'smarter' than you. But I don't go around telling you that you are a 'nut' because you think differently to me. I wouldn't be that arrogant. I respect your beliefs, even if I don't agree with them. Your "false hope anyone?" comment does suggest to me, however, that you have no real understanding of Christians or what motivates them.
How do you define "smartness" then Juan Albion? I don't think believing in an "Imaginary Friend" counts.
[quote][p][bold]Juan Albion[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cry Me A River[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Juan Albion[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cry Me A River[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ABC1[/bold] wrote: Were you aware that the total number of people attending church on Sunday is greater than the total number of people attending a weeks football league matches?[/p][/quote]Where you aware that those people going to Church would be much better off if they had a lie-in on Sunday morning? Also, Brighton doesn't need anymore religious nuts... Or any more nuts, actually...[/p][/quote]You are an arrogant person, aren't you. [/p][/quote]Nope, just a non-deluded citizen capable of seeing the Church for what it is; a brainwashing, money-grabbing establishment no better than a piece of gum on the street. False hope anyone?[/p][/quote]Ah! You are right, they are wrong. But you're not arrogant? Well, I am a person of faith, with seven years of higher education, so statistically I am probably 'smarter' than you. But I don't go around telling you that you are a 'nut' because you think differently to me. I wouldn't be that arrogant. I respect your beliefs, even if I don't agree with them. Your "false hope anyone?" comment does suggest to me, however, that you have no real understanding of Christians or what motivates them. [/p][/quote]How do you define "smartness" then Juan Albion? I don't think believing in an "Imaginary Friend" counts. quedula
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4:28pm Fri 8 May 09

quedula says...

Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest. (Diderot)

Security Word Huge-Plan.
;-)

Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest. (Diderot) Security Word Huge-Plan. ;-) quedula
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5:49pm Fri 8 May 09

Pebbles says...

The beautiful building would serve better as prestige appartments and cafe.
The beautiful building would serve better as prestige appartments and cafe. Pebbles
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6:07pm Fri 8 May 09

TheInsider says...

It should be turned into a mosque. It would always be packed.
It should be turned into a mosque. It would always be packed. TheInsider
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6:27pm Fri 8 May 09

Acheron says...

There's no point arguing against those who are anti-religion. Most are as zealous (if not more) than those who have a faith. Oddly they throw out accusations of brain-washing but don't want people to have the right to choose. Still thats a different matter totally. ;-)
There's no point arguing against those who are anti-religion. Most are as zealous (if not more) than those who have a faith. Oddly they throw out accusations of brain-washing but don't want people to have the right to choose. Still thats a different matter totally. ;-) Acheron
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6:37pm Fri 8 May 09

quedula says...

Acheron wrote:
There's no point arguing against those who are anti-religion. Most are as zealous (if not more) than those who have a faith. Oddly they throw out accusations of brain-washing but don't want people to have the right to choose. Still thats a different matter totally. ;-)
Very few choose to become religious as adults. People are religious because they were indoctrinated when they were young
[quote][p][bold]Acheron[/bold] wrote: There's no point arguing against those who are anti-religion. Most are as zealous (if not more) than those who have a faith. Oddly they throw out accusations of brain-washing but don't want people to have the right to choose. Still thats a different matter totally. ;-)[/p][/quote]Very few choose to become religious as adults. People are religious because they were indoctrinated when they were young quedula
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9:44am Sat 9 May 09

wardth says...

Perhaps if B&HC spent the money on the church they are about to waste on an attempt at "green sexing" up the city with electric car charging points everybody would be happy.
Also the Church of England is not exactly poor as somebody has already pointed out and this whole fiasco simply needn't have happened in the first place if they'd dipped into their own pocket rather than appealling to the weak minded for funds.
I am slightly worred by the level of vitrol in the various comments though. Just goes to shown how nasty minded some people can be!
Perhaps if B&HC spent the money on the church they are about to waste on an attempt at "green sexing" up the city with electric car charging points everybody would be happy. Also the Church of England is not exactly poor as somebody has already pointed out and this whole fiasco simply needn't have happened in the first place if they'd dipped into their own pocket rather than appealling to the weak minded for funds. I am slightly worred by the level of vitrol in the various comments though. Just goes to shown how nasty minded some people can be! wardth
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9:57am Sat 9 May 09

Cry Me A River says...

Juan Albion wrote:
Cry Me A River wrote:
Juan Albion wrote:
Cry Me A River wrote:
ABC1 wrote: Were you aware that the total number of people attending church on Sunday is greater than the total number of people attending a weeks football league matches?
Where you aware that those people going to Church would be much better off if they had a lie-in on Sunday morning? Also, Brighton doesn't need anymore religious nuts... Or any more nuts, actually...
You are an arrogant person, aren't you.
Nope, just a non-deluded citizen capable of seeing the Church for what it is; a brainwashing, money-grabbing establishment no better than a piece of gum on the street. False hope anyone?
Ah! You are right, they are wrong. But you're not arrogant? Well, I am a person of faith, with seven years of higher education, so statistically I am probably 'smarter' than you. But I don't go around telling you that you are a 'nut' because you think differently to me. I wouldn't be that arrogant. I respect your beliefs, even if I don't agree with them. Your "false hope anyone?" comment does suggest to me, however, that you have no real understanding of Christians or what motivates them.
'smarter' or 'more intelligent'? there is a difference. and i can only assume that if you needed seven years of higher education that you are either a doctor, a vet, or had to retake several years... and if you are a doctor or a vet, you would know that medicine and science prevails over religion and false hope (prayer). which would not make you very 'smart' at all, seeing as worshiping something that doesn't exist is very very ill-educated.
[quote][p][bold]Juan Albion[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cry Me A River[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Juan Albion[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cry Me A River[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ABC1[/bold] wrote: Were you aware that the total number of people attending church on Sunday is greater than the total number of people attending a weeks football league matches?[/p][/quote]Where you aware that those people going to Church would be much better off if they had a lie-in on Sunday morning? Also, Brighton doesn't need anymore religious nuts... Or any more nuts, actually...[/p][/quote]You are an arrogant person, aren't you. [/p][/quote]Nope, just a non-deluded citizen capable of seeing the Church for what it is; a brainwashing, money-grabbing establishment no better than a piece of gum on the street. False hope anyone?[/p][/quote]Ah! You are right, they are wrong. But you're not arrogant? Well, I am a person of faith, with seven years of higher education, so statistically I am probably 'smarter' than you. But I don't go around telling you that you are a 'nut' because you think differently to me. I wouldn't be that arrogant. I respect your beliefs, even if I don't agree with them. Your "false hope anyone?" comment does suggest to me, however, that you have no real understanding of Christians or what motivates them. [/p][/quote]'smarter' or 'more intelligent'? there is a difference. and i can only assume that if you needed seven years of higher education that you are either a doctor, a vet, or had to retake several years... and if you are a doctor or a vet, you would know that medicine and science prevails over religion and false hope (prayer). which would not make you very 'smart' at all, seeing as worshiping something that doesn't exist is very very ill-educated. Cry Me A River
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