Sussex sister acts as surrogate for brother and gay partner (From The Argus)

this has been on here five minutes, and I am yet to see anything reactionary, bigoted or anti-police from Bibble.

Is this a new chapter ?

i'll probably get in trouble for this but isn;t that technically incest??? call me whatever but this isnt right....if you are not in a relationship which can bear children surely you should live with that?

leedsnowfan wrote:
i'll probably get in trouble for this but isn;t that technically incest??? call me whatever but this isnt right....if you are not in a relationship which can bear children surely you should live with that?

apologies - i now realise that my first statement regarding incest was a complete mistake.....i still stick by the second part tho....

If that's true then shouldn't you ban IVF, etc...

a child ideally needs a loving mother and father, and failing that a loving mother or father, not two gay men that want to play happy families.

i'm far from homophobic but it goes without saying that the one sacrifice a gay man has to make is to forsake having children.

rs wrote:
a child ideally needs a loving mother and father, and failing that a loving mother or father, not two gay men that want to play happy families. i'm far from homophobic but it goes without saying that the one sacrifice a gay man has to make is to forsake having children.

do you have any facts or statistics to back up what you are saying, or is it just a case of condemning those who deviate slightly from a societal standard of disney-like perception of the term 'happy families'?

rs wrote:
a child ideally needs a loving mother and father, and failing that a loving mother or father, not two gay men that want to play happy families. i'm far from homophobic but it goes without saying that the one sacrifice a gay man has to make is to forsake having children.

oh NO you didn't just go there...

rs wrote:
a child ideally needs a loving mother and father, and failing that a loving mother or father, not two gay men that want to play happy families.

i'm far from homophobic but it goes without saying that the one sacrifice a gay man has to make is to forsake having children.

What we all know is that abuse doesn't happen with heterosexual families. Never has there been a case either of a child in a heterosexual parenting situation of them being unhappy.

We all know that homosexuals when they raise children are all in fact paedophiles seeking out some wicked fantasy.....

Purrrrrlease.

I have worked with children who have same-sex parents and they have all been lovely (well, within the remit 8 and 9 year olds can be!)

Do your comments apply to children brought up by two aunts or uncles or what not if their parents are absent for whatever reason, e.g. died in a car crash? Are those two same sex 'parents' also paedophiles, rapists, muggers, BDSM fanatics too? Are they playing happy families?

Doesn't everyone play at happy families one time or another.

Or is all well in this blue skied land of bless and twittering birds?

Lil wrote:

rs wrote: a child ideally needs a loving mother and father, and failing that a loving mother or father, not two gay men that want to play happy families. i'm far from homophobic but it goes without saying that the one sacrifice a gay man has to make is to forsake having children.

What we all know is that abuse doesn't happen with heterosexual families. Never has there been a case either of a child in a heterosexual parenting situation of them being unhappy. We all know that homosexuals when they raise children are all in fact paedophiles seeking out some wicked fantasy..... Purrrrrlease. I have worked with children who have same-sex parents and they have all been lovely (well, within the remit 8 and 9 year olds can be!) Do your comments apply to children brought up by two aunts or uncles or what not if their parents are absent for whatever reason, e.g. died in a car crash? Are those two same sex 'parents' also paedophiles, rapists, muggers, BDSM fanatics too? Are they playing happy families? Doesn't everyone play at happy families one time or another. Or is all well in this blue skied land of bless and twittering birds?

you seem to be reading more in to what i said than is really there. a child should be brought up in as normal surroundings as possible. 2 gay men as "fathers" is far from the norm.

This article concerns policemen, no comment from bibble yet?

Apart from my previous comment. on a serious note, I know of children from heterosexual families who are not looked after as they should be. I also know children from single sex families who are well adjusted and well looked after, happy healthy children. Why are some people such bigots? Good luck to the couple.

If you look at the heterosexuals on Jeremy Kyle breeding kids. A couple of gay policemen has to be an improvement. At least they know right from wrong, and hopefully don't have a drink or drug addiction

lol, being a special constable hardly precludes you from not knowing what is right or wrong or from having a drink or drug addiction does it? however i'm sure these two men are probably decent fellas.

rs wrote:

Lil wrote:

rs wrote: a child ideally needs a loving mother and father, and failing that a loving mother or father, not two gay men that want to play happy families. i'm far from homophobic but it goes without saying that the one sacrifice a gay man has to make is to forsake having children.

What we all know is that abuse doesn't happen with heterosexual families. Never has there been a case either of a child in a heterosexual parenting situation of them being unhappy. We all know that homosexuals when they raise children are all in fact paedophiles seeking out some wicked fantasy..... Purrrrrlease. I have worked with children who have same-sex parents and they have all been lovely (well, within the remit 8 and 9 year olds can be!) Do your comments apply to children brought up by two aunts or uncles or what not if their parents are absent for whatever reason, e.g. died in a car crash? Are those two same sex 'parents' also paedophiles, rapists, muggers, BDSM fanatics too? Are they playing happy families? Doesn't everyone play at happy families one time or another. Or is all well in this blue skied land of bless and twittering birds?

you seem to be reading more in to what i said than is really there. a child should be brought up in as normal surroundings as possible. 2 gay men as "fathers" is far from the norm.

Same sex parents is only made the unusual because society castigates the ideas and concepts that it is too small minded to embrace.

The majority of children will be looked after well whoever their parents are, male, female, whatever -- judge each case on its own merits rather than tarring everyone with the same brush.

How do you know it's best? Do you know of a sizeable amount of cases where children brought up by two same-sex individuals has wrought disaster?

Or is it because that is the way things have always been and always should be?

rs wrote:

Lil wrote:

rs wrote: a child ideally needs a loving mother and father, and failing that a loving mother or father, not two gay men that want to play happy families. i'm far from homophobic but it goes without saying that the one sacrifice a gay man has to make is to forsake having children.

What we all know is that abuse doesn't happen with heterosexual families. Never has there been a case either of a child in a heterosexual parenting situation of them being unhappy. We all know that homosexuals when they raise children are all in fact paedophiles seeking out some wicked fantasy..... Purrrrrlease. I have worked with children who have same-sex parents and they have all been lovely (well, within the remit 8 and 9 year olds can be!) Do your comments apply to children brought up by two aunts or uncles or what not if their parents are absent for whatever reason, e.g. died in a car crash? Are those two same sex 'parents' also paedophiles, rapists, muggers, BDSM fanatics too? Are they playing happy families? Doesn't everyone play at happy families one time or another. Or is all well in this blue skied land of bless and twittering birds?

you seem to be reading more in to what i said than is really there. a child should be brought up in as normal surroundings as possible. 2 gay men as "fathers" is far from the norm.

is it far from the norm ? To be honest, I would rather have two gay men bring up a child in a loving and caring environment than that same child be brought up by a "career parent" on benefits with no morals, but that is just wishful thinking - people who are actually physically able to have parents know best, right?

Lil wrote:

rs wrote:

Lil wrote:

rs wrote: a child ideally needs a loving mother and father, and failing that a loving mother or father, not two gay men that want to play happy families. i'm far from homophobic but it goes without saying that the one sacrifice a gay man has to make is to forsake having children.

What we all know is that abuse doesn't happen with heterosexual families. Never has there been a case either of a child in a heterosexual parenting situation of them being unhappy. We all know that homosexuals when they raise children are all in fact paedophiles seeking out some wicked fantasy..... Purrrrrlease. I have worked with children who have same-sex parents and they have all been lovely (well, within the remit 8 and 9 year olds can be!) Do your comments apply to children brought up by two aunts or uncles or what not if their parents are absent for whatever reason, e.g. died in a car crash? Are those two same sex 'parents' also paedophiles, rapists, muggers, BDSM fanatics too? Are they playing happy families? Doesn't everyone play at happy families one time or another. Or is all well in this blue skied land of bless and twittering birds?

you seem to be reading more in to what i said than is really there. a child should be brought up in as normal surroundings as possible. 2 gay men as "fathers" is far from the norm.

Same sex parents is only made the unusual because society castigates the ideas and concepts that it is too small minded to embrace. The majority of children will be looked after well whoever their parents are, male, female, whatever -- judge each case on its own merits rather than tarring everyone with the same brush. How do you know it's best? Do you know of a sizeable amount of cases where children brought up by two same-sex individuals has wrought disaster? Or is it because that is the way things have always been and always should be?

yes, it's because it's the way its allways been and allways should be.

what about the emotional upheaval for the child when it finds out his aunty is actually his mother and gave him away to her brother and his boyfriend, don't you think that will have an emotional impact.

then theres the bullying the child will no doubt suffer at school once the other kids find out about his background?

rs wrote:

Lil wrote:

rs wrote:

Lil wrote:

rs wrote: a child ideally needs a loving mother and father, and failing that a loving mother or father, not two gay men that want to play happy families. i'm far from homophobic but it goes without saying that the one sacrifice a gay man has to make is to forsake having children.

What we all know is that abuse doesn't happen with heterosexual families. Never has there been a case either of a child in a heterosexual parenting situation of them being unhappy. We all know that homosexuals when they raise children are all in fact paedophiles seeking out some wicked fantasy..... Purrrrrlease. I have worked with children who have same-sex parents and they have all been lovely (well, within the remit 8 and 9 year olds can be!) Do your comments apply to children brought up by two aunts or uncles or what not if their parents are absent for whatever reason, e.g. died in a car crash? Are those two same sex 'parents' also paedophiles, rapists, muggers, BDSM fanatics too? Are they playing happy families? Doesn't everyone play at happy families one time or another. Or is all well in this blue skied land of bless and twittering birds?

you seem to be reading more in to what i said than is really there. a child should be brought up in as normal surroundings as possible. 2 gay men as "fathers" is far from the norm.

Same sex parents is only made the unusual because society castigates the ideas and concepts that it is too small minded to embrace. The majority of children will be looked after well whoever their parents are, male, female, whatever -- judge each case on its own merits rather than tarring everyone with the same brush. How do you know it's best? Do you know of a sizeable amount of cases where children brought up by two same-sex individuals has wrought disaster? Or is it because that is the way things have always been and always should be?

yes, it's because it's the way its allways been and allways should be. what about the emotional upheaval for the child when it finds out his aunty is actually his mother and gave him away to her brother and his boyfriend, don't you think that will have an emotional impact. then theres the bullying the child will no doubt suffer at school once the other kids find out about his background?

I fear the only people that child may be at risk of being bullied by is by people like you and yours!

Thank goodness not everyone holds your views.

Cherry Pie wrote:

rs wrote:

Lil wrote:

rs wrote:

Lil wrote:

rs wrote: a child ideally needs a loving mother and father, and failing that a loving mother or father, not two gay men that want to play happy families. i'm far from homophobic but it goes without saying that the one sacrifice a gay man has to make is to forsake having children.

What we all know is that abuse doesn't happen with heterosexual families. Never has there been a case either of a child in a heterosexual parenting situation of them being unhappy. We all know that homosexuals when they raise children are all in fact paedophiles seeking out some wicked fantasy..... Purrrrrlease. I have worked with children who have same-sex parents and they have all been lovely (well, within the remit 8 and 9 year olds can be!) Do your comments apply to children brought up by two aunts or uncles or what not if their parents are absent for whatever reason, e.g. died in a car crash? Are those two same sex 'parents' also paedophiles, rapists, muggers, BDSM fanatics too? Are they playing happy families? Doesn't everyone play at happy families one time or another. Or is all well in this blue skied land of bless and twittering birds?

you seem to be reading more in to what i said than is really there. a child should be brought up in as normal surroundings as possible. 2 gay men as "fathers" is far from the norm.

Same sex parents is only made the unusual because society castigates the ideas and concepts that it is too small minded to embrace. The majority of children will be looked after well whoever their parents are, male, female, whatever -- judge each case on its own merits rather than tarring everyone with the same brush. How do you know it's best? Do you know of a sizeable amount of cases where children brought up by two same-sex individuals has wrought disaster? Or is it because that is the way things have always been and always should be?

yes, it's because it's the way its allways been and allways should be. what about the emotional upheaval for the child when it finds out his aunty is actually his mother and gave him away to her brother and his boyfriend, don't you think that will have an emotional impact. then theres the bullying the child will no doubt suffer at school once the other kids find out about his background?

I fear the only people that child may be at risk of being bullied by is by people like you and yours! Thank goodness not everyone holds your views.

lol, well you feared wrong, i'm not a bully and will do my best to ensure that my young son won't be either.

i'm just a little less naive than you, and remember how cruel kids can be. and you're eiother too old to remember or choose to forget.

and i think you'll find many people hold the same views on this as me, but it's politically correct to remain silent.

Well if the two loving plod fathers are going to have a celebratory drink I hope that they keep the receipt - just in case there is any misunderstanding when they leave the off licence!

rs wrote:

Lil wrote:

rs wrote:

Lil wrote:

rs wrote: a child ideally needs a loving mother and father, and failing that a loving mother or father, not two gay men that want to play happy families. i'm far from homophobic but it goes without saying that the one sacrifice a gay man has to make is to forsake having children.

What we all know is that abuse doesn't happen with heterosexual families. Never has there been a case either of a child in a heterosexual parenting situation of them being unhappy. We all know that homosexuals when they raise children are all in fact paedophiles seeking out some wicked fantasy..... Purrrrrlease. I have worked with children who have same-sex parents and they have all been lovely (well, within the remit 8 and 9 year olds can be!) Do your comments apply to children brought up by two aunts or uncles or what not if their parents are absent for whatever reason, e.g. died in a car crash? Are those two same sex 'parents' also paedophiles, rapists, muggers, BDSM fanatics too? Are they playing happy families? Doesn't everyone play at happy families one time or another. Or is all well in this blue skied land of bless and twittering birds?

you seem to be reading more in to what i said than is really there. a child should be brought up in as normal surroundings as possible. 2 gay men as "fathers" is far from the norm.

Same sex parents is only made the unusual because society castigates the ideas and concepts that it is too small minded to embrace. The majority of children will be looked after well whoever their parents are, male, female, whatever -- judge each case on its own merits rather than tarring everyone with the same brush. How do you know it's best? Do you know of a sizeable amount of cases where children brought up by two same-sex individuals has wrought disaster? Or is it because that is the way things have always been and always should be?

yes, it's because it's the way its allways been and allways should be.

what about the emotional upheaval for the child when it finds out his aunty is actually his mother and gave him away to her brother and his boyfriend, don't you think that will have an emotional impact.

then theres the bullying the child will no doubt suffer at school once the other kids find out about his background?

The child would only get bullied because people like you pass your bigotted ideas on to your own children.

rs wrote:

Cherry Pie wrote:

rs wrote:

Lil wrote:

rs wrote:

Lil wrote:

rs wrote: a child ideally needs a loving mother and father, and failing that a loving mother or father, not two gay men that want to play happy families. i'm far from homophobic but it goes without saying that the one sacrifice a gay man has to make is to forsake having children.

What we all know is that abuse doesn't happen with heterosexual families. Never has there been a case either of a child in a heterosexual parenting situation of them being unhappy. We all know that homosexuals when they raise children are all in fact paedophiles seeking out some wicked fantasy..... Purrrrrlease. I have worked with children who have same-sex parents and they have all been lovely (well, within the remit 8 and 9 year olds can be!) Do your comments apply to children brought up by two aunts or uncles or what not if their parents are absent for whatever reason, e.g. died in a car crash? Are those two same sex 'parents' also paedophiles, rapists, muggers, BDSM fanatics too? Are they playing happy families? Doesn't everyone play at happy families one time or another. Or is all well in this blue skied land of bless and twittering birds?

you seem to be reading more in to what i said than is really there. a child should be brought up in as normal surroundings as possible. 2 gay men as "fathers" is far from the norm.

Same sex parents is only made the unusual because society castigates the ideas and concepts that it is too small minded to embrace. The majority of children will be looked after well whoever their parents are, male, female, whatever -- judge each case on its own merits rather than tarring everyone with the same brush. How do you know it's best? Do you know of a sizeable amount of cases where children brought up by two same-sex individuals has wrought disaster? Or is it because that is the way things have always been and always should be?

yes, it's because it's the way its allways been and allways should be. what about the emotional upheaval for the child when it finds out his aunty is actually his mother and gave him away to her brother and his boyfriend, don't you think that will have an emotional impact. then theres the bullying the child will no doubt suffer at school once the other kids find out about his background?

I fear the only people that child may be at risk of being bullied by is by people like you and yours! Thank goodness not everyone holds your views.

lol, well you feared wrong, i'm not a bully and will do my best to ensure that my young son won't be either. i'm just a little less naive than you, and remember how cruel kids can be. and you're eiother too old to remember or choose to forget. and i think you'll find many people hold the same views on this as me, but it's politically correct to remain silent.

Any kid who "isn't normal" in whatever way will get bullied. If you're going to use that argument, you may as well say all ginger babies should be drowned at birth because they'll just get picked on for being ginger.

The kids learn what "isn't normal" from their parents.

See where I'm going here?

Cherry Pie wrote:

rs wrote:

Cherry Pie wrote:

rs wrote:

Lil wrote:

rs wrote:

Lil wrote:

rs wrote: a child ideally needs a loving mother and father, and failing that a loving mother or father, not two gay men that want to play happy families. i'm far from homophobic but it goes without saying that the one sacrifice a gay man has to make is to forsake having children.

What we all know is that abuse doesn't happen with heterosexual families. Never has there been a case either of a child in a heterosexual parenting situation of them being unhappy. We all know that homosexuals when they raise children are all in fact paedophiles seeking out some wicked fantasy..... Purrrrrlease. I have worked with children who have same-sex parents and they have all been lovely (well, within the remit 8 and 9 year olds can be!) Do your comments apply to children brought up by two aunts or uncles or what not if their parents are absent for whatever reason, e.g. died in a car crash? Are those two same sex 'parents' also paedophiles, rapists, muggers, BDSM fanatics too? Are they playing happy families? Doesn't everyone play at happy families one time or another. Or is all well in this blue skied land of bless and twittering birds?

you seem to be reading more in to what i said than is really there. a child should be brought up in as normal surroundings as possible. 2 gay men as "fathers" is far from the norm.

Same sex parents is only made the unusual because society castigates the ideas and concepts that it is too small minded to embrace. The majority of children will be looked after well whoever their parents are, male, female, whatever -- judge each case on its own merits rather than tarring everyone with the same brush. How do you know it's best? Do you know of a sizeable amount of cases where children brought up by two same-sex individuals has wrought disaster? Or is it because that is the way things have always been and always should be?

yes, it's because it's the way its allways been and allways should be. what about the emotional upheaval for the child when it finds out his aunty is actually his mother and gave him away to her brother and his boyfriend, don't you think that will have an emotional impact. then theres the bullying the child will no doubt suffer at school once the other kids find out about his background?

I fear the only people that child may be at risk of being bullied by is by people like you and yours! Thank goodness not everyone holds your views.

lol, well you feared wrong, i'm not a bully and will do my best to ensure that my young son won't be either. i'm just a little less naive than you, and remember how cruel kids can be. and you're eiother too old to remember or choose to forget. and i think you'll find many people hold the same views on this as me, but it's politically correct to remain silent.

Any kid who "isn't normal" in whatever way will get bullied. If you're going to use that argument, you may as well say all ginger babies should be drowned at birth because they'll just get picked on for being ginger. The kids learn what "isn't normal" from their parents. See where I'm going here?

ok so you jumped on that point i made, how about the more important one of what about the childs enotional well being when it finds out that his "aunty" is actually his mother and his "father" is actually his uncle, and his mother gave him away to her brother and his boyfriend to bring up as theirs.

adoption is a great solution for children who haven't got a family, but to create this potential emotional distress is selfish.

Fight Back wrote:

rs wrote:

Lil wrote:

rs wrote:

Lil wrote:

rs wrote: a child ideally needs a loving mother and father, and failing that a loving mother or father, not two gay men that want to play happy families. i'm far from homophobic but it goes without saying that the one sacrifice a gay man has to make is to forsake having children.

What we all know is that abuse doesn't happen with heterosexual families. Never has there been a case either of a child in a heterosexual parenting situation of them being unhappy. We all know that homosexuals when they raise children are all in fact paedophiles seeking out some wicked fantasy..... Purrrrrlease. I have worked with children who have same-sex parents and they have all been lovely (well, within the remit 8 and 9 year olds can be!) Do your comments apply to children brought up by two aunts or uncles or what not if their parents are absent for whatever reason, e.g. died in a car crash? Are those two same sex 'parents' also paedophiles, rapists, muggers, BDSM fanatics too? Are they playing happy families? Doesn't everyone play at happy families one time or another. Or is all well in this blue skied land of bless and twittering birds?

you seem to be reading more in to what i said than is really there. a child should be brought up in as normal surroundings as possible. 2 gay men as "fathers" is far from the norm.

Same sex parents is only made the unusual because society castigates the ideas and concepts that it is too small minded to embrace. The majority of children will be looked after well whoever their parents are, male, female, whatever -- judge each case on its own merits rather than tarring everyone with the same brush. How do you know it's best? Do you know of a sizeable amount of cases where children brought up by two same-sex individuals has wrought disaster? Or is it because that is the way things have always been and always should be?

yes, it's because it's the way its allways been and allways should be. what about the emotional upheaval for the child when it finds out his aunty is actually his mother and gave him away to her brother and his boyfriend, don't you think that will have an emotional impact. then theres the bullying the child will no doubt suffer at school once the other kids find out about his background?

The child would only get bullied because people like you pass your bigotted ideas on to your own children.

instead of trying to be clever and calling people names try looking up the meaning of the word bigot before using it:

a person who is utterly intolerant of any differing creed, belief, or opinion.

lol, and then look up the meaning of hypocrite ;)

In 10 to 20 years time you "sheltered" people are going to meet a lot of adults brought up by same sex parents, how will your scrutinity stand up to them then?
Bibble's fine, let's not push them
the same way Sousie the Floosie and Slug were!

Good luck to the couple.

Spx wrote:
In 10 to 20 years time you "sheltered" people are going to meet a lot of adults brought up by same sex parents, how will your scrutinity stand up to them then?
Bibble's fine, let's not push them
the same way Sousie the Floosie and Slug were!

whatever became of slug?

Lil,Worthing, Having worked with children for many years and still continue to do so, I totally agree with all your posts, well said. It's blatantly clear to me that 'you're not too old, or choose to forget', but that you have a good understanding of child development.

stan bailey wrote:

Spx wrote: In 10 to 20 years time you "sheltered" people are going to meet a lot of adults brought up by same sex parents, how will your scrutinity stand up to them then? Bibble's fine, let's not push them the same way Sousie the Floosie and Slug were!

whatever became of slug?

What that idiot who thinks he is a comedy writer ?

complete fantasist.

I was bought up by a loving mother and father, I had no problems with them - it was each other they couldn't stand in the end! I was also bullied at school, not because I was ginger or come from a difficult background but because I was small so the bullies knew it would be difficult to defend myself! My father went on to remarry and gave me the step-mother from hell. However I feel I have come through all that without the need for Jeremy Kyle publicity! Evening 'loving' parents let their kids down!

I was brought up in childrens homes since the age of 3 years old and believe me I would much rather have been brought up by a same sex couple than in one of those godforsaken places, just because someone is in a same sex partnership does not make them a bad parent, in fact if you look at the facts, most pedophiles are in fact heterosexual!!! (trust me I know), anyway what is "normal" if you look at the animal kingdom animals will form relationships with either sex, it is only the bigoted, narrow minded attitude of some human-beings that claims this is not normal.