Updated: Greens triumph in Brighton and Hove

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Brighton and Hove has gone Green - for the second time in just 12 months.

After years of domination by the Conservatives and Labour, Brighton and Hove City Council is now in the hands of the political underdogs.

Just 15 years after gaining its first ever seat in the city, the Greens nearly doubled their numbers to become the largest single party in what was truly an historic day.

It came just a year after Caroline Lucas was crowned the country's first Green Party MP for Brighton Pavilion.

The in-roads made by the minnows in the council elections means the ruling Conservative group has been kicked virtually into touch.

Among the seven Tory casualties were four cabinet members.

Meanwhile Labour, despite polling only 1% fewer total votes than the Greens, ended up with the same number of seats as in 2007.

In a bad bay for the Liberal Democrats across the county, they also lost their last city councillor.

The tension-fuelled count at Hove Town Hall on Friday contained its fair share of nail-biting, cheers and a few tears.

A high turnout unprecedented in some wards was attributed to the national referendum on the alternative vote and a tight threeway contest, where every party threw everything it could at winning the most seats.

Once the five-hour counting process was complete the results were Greens 23, Conservative 18 and Labour 13.

It means there is no overall control and the Greens will need the support of others to push through policies.

Green convenor Bill Randall said it was a great result for the city and a huge vote of confidence in the Greens.

He told The Argus: "It has been a very tough election, the hardest of all three I have contested.

"But it is clear that people are impressed with our ideas and our candidates. They seem to be genuinely enthused by the option of a Green-led council."

When asked about the possibility of forming a coalition with the Labour group, he added: "We will now talk about the options with the group and see what we can do to take the city forward.

"We will try and involve as many people from across the city as possible in our decision-making."

The tone was set early as the Greens came fourth in the Labour heartland of East Brighton, a seat where it had hardly campaigned.

This was quickly followed by Phelim MacCafferty and Ollie Sykes ousting the sole Lib Dem Paul Elgood and experienced independent David Watkins.

It was the first successes of many gains.

The roof of Hove TownHall was nearly lifted as the Greens swept Preston Park and Goldsmid in addition to two gains in Hollingdean and Stanmer.

This, combined with unexpected breakthroughs in Withdean (Sue Shanks) and Central Hove (Chris Hawtree), made it a day to remember.

The Conservatives suffered the most as they lost four cabinet members Jan Young (Central Hove) , Trevor Alford (North Portslade), Maria Caulfield and Ayas Fallon-Khan (both Moulsecoomb and Bevendean).

Conservative group leader Mary Mears told The Argus: "We have lost some really good councillors and some really good candidates.

"National politics has definitely had a sway in this election. The Greens have never been challenged.

"The proof ultimately will be in the pudding when they have to make decisions and difficult choices."

When asked about the Tories future in Brighton and Hove, she added: "We will be back."

Labour gained four councillors in Hove wards but lost experienced members when the Greens took Preston Park and Hollingdean and Stanmer.

The party was also disappointed not to make inroads in either Queen's Park or Hanover and Elm Grove.

Labour group leader Gill Mitchell said: "We have lost some seats and some dear friends and colleagues but we have also had some fantastic successes, such as in Wish.

"We have been a very effective opposition to the Conservatives and we will continue to challenge the Greens but work with them when we feel it s appropriate.

"The first thing I have to do is have a meeting with the new Labour group and decide where we go from here."

Defeated Lib Dem Mr Elgood said: "It wasn't unexpected. I spoke out against the national coalition as early as Christmas but it s undeniable that we have been punished for national issues. "I congratulate the Greens on a good campaign. I would like to think we are as graceful in defeat as we are in victory."

But, ultimately, it was a day for the Greens.

Caroline Lucas, Brighton Pavilion MP and the party's leader, said: "Lessons have been learnt from our successful campaign last year. The secret of our success was to identify a strategy.

"We are a party of limited resources and it s important to target areas. That has been done once again very successfully in this election." Can the Green Party make a difference in Brighton and Hove? Tell us what you think by writing to our letters page, emailing letters@theargus.co.uk or commenting below. Don't miss your weekend Argus for unrivalled coverage opf the local elections across Sussex.

There is full reaction, gossip from the counts and a full list of results.

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2:47pm Fri 6 May 11

Spanners says...

"The Greens will now have a discussion to work out if they will work with Labour." just me or will this be the world's shortest discussion !
"The Greens will now have a discussion to work out if they will work with Labour." just me or will this be the world's shortest discussion ! Spanners
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2:56pm Fri 6 May 11

NickBrt says...

At least now the M***'s family stronghold on Brighton is over. That can only be good news for us all.
At least now the M***'s family stronghold on Brighton is over. That can only be good news for us all. NickBrt
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2:56pm Fri 6 May 11

Spanners says...

"The Argus exclusively revealed the final result on this website." Hmm I'm not sure this is true. I saw the result first on the council website which is time stamped at 2.20pm. This article is timestamped at 2.36pm
"The Argus exclusively revealed the final result on this website." Hmm I'm not sure this is true. I saw the result first on the council website which is time stamped at 2.20pm. This article is timestamped at 2.36pm Spanners
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2:59pm Fri 6 May 11

Spanners says...

NickBrt wrote:
At least now the M***'s family stronghold on Brighton is over. That can only be good news for us all.
Amend to that, halleluiah etc
[quote][p][bold]NickBrt[/bold] wrote: At least now the M***'s family stronghold on Brighton is over. That can only be good news for us all.[/p][/quote]Amend to that, halleluiah etc Spanners
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3:00pm Fri 6 May 11

Spanners says...

oops - I mean "Amen" to that, not amend !
oops - I mean "Amen" to that, not amend ! Spanners
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3:02pm Fri 6 May 11

ShorehamBeachcomber says...

'Greens spring to victory'...feel free to use, small fee payable
'Greens spring to victory'...feel free to use, small fee payable ShorehamBeachcomber
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3:06pm Fri 6 May 11

Evasivo says...

Who are the M***'s family?
Who are the M***'s family? Evasivo
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3:13pm Fri 6 May 11

michael.evans says...

Where are the results for Wish Ward on B & H Council?
Where are the results for Wish Ward on B & H Council? michael.evans
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3:17pm Fri 6 May 11

Plantpot says...

Worried now about the effect on house prices, the freedom to travel, parking charges, onerous and elaborate refuse collection schemes, council tax rises to pay for nutty schemes etc. etc.

I have lived here since the mid-eighties, and this is the first time I have seriously considered moving.

I never thought I would ever live in a place where far left policies would prevail. Let's hope that the Labs/Cons can get together to moderate the more odd Green policies.
Worried now about the effect on house prices, the freedom to travel, parking charges, onerous and elaborate refuse collection schemes, council tax rises to pay for nutty schemes etc. etc. I have lived here since the mid-eighties, and this is the first time I have seriously considered moving. I never thought I would ever live in a place where far left policies would prevail. Let's hope that the Labs/Cons can get together to moderate the more odd Green policies. Plantpot
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3:18pm Fri 6 May 11

Martha Gunn says...

Now it looks as though the clowns will be running the circus, will Brussels Lucas feel it's safe to move to Brighton?
Now it looks as though the clowns will be running the circus, will Brussels Lucas feel it's safe to move to Brighton? Martha Gunn
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3:21pm Fri 6 May 11

Nobleox says...

For Labour to win both seats in North Portslade the majority turning out to vote "must" be crying out for BLACK BOX lids. !!!!! Clearly they have no interest in the environment.
For Labour to win both seats in North Portslade the majority turning out to vote "must" be crying out for BLACK BOX lids. !!!!! Clearly they have no interest in the environment. Nobleox
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3:26pm Fri 6 May 11

Stopthecuts says...

Plantpot must be a typo! Is that a cracked plantpot? What far left policies?
This is the first time a council in this country has had a Green group that have the largest number of councillors. The Greens were the only party to oppose the draconian £28m cuts including £5.9m to the most vulnerable people in the City. Now they will have to administer that budget. Interesting.
Plantpot must be a typo! Is that a cracked plantpot? What far left policies? This is the first time a council in this country has had a Green group that have the largest number of councillors. The Greens were the only party to oppose the draconian £28m cuts including £5.9m to the most vulnerable people in the City. Now they will have to administer that budget. Interesting. Stopthecuts
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3:26pm Fri 6 May 11

armyeng1 says...

This is great news, I voted Green although I've traditionally been Labour. Labour has failed to deliver a message on its stance, it has remained silent on all the big issues and supports the war (illigal invasion). The Neo-Cons & Lib Dems; well they speak for themselves. So my only option was to let these bastards know that we are not sleeping at the wheel and we are paying attention. I am so glad to see the Mears out of office, it makes me smile! The greens now have my attention and four years to either make things better in B&H or go the way of the dinosaurs. We'll see!
This is great news, I voted Green although I've traditionally been Labour. Labour has failed to deliver a message on its stance, it has remained silent on all the big issues and supports the war (illigal invasion). The Neo-Cons & Lib Dems; well they speak for themselves. So my only option was to let these bastards know that we are not sleeping at the wheel and we are paying attention. I am so glad to see the Mears out of office, it makes me smile! The greens now have my attention and four years to either make things better in B&H or go the way of the dinosaurs. We'll see! armyeng1
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3:33pm Fri 6 May 11

Angryoldman says...

The Taliban gan get in as far as I'm concerned as long as it gets rid of the nasty party.
The Taliban gan get in as far as I'm concerned as long as it gets rid of the nasty party. Angryoldman
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3:35pm Fri 6 May 11

fascinator says...

Ms Lucas gave up being a euro mp when she was elected to the british parliament.

THe gravy boat was passed on to someone else (unelected)
Ms Lucas gave up being a euro mp when she was elected to the british parliament. THe gravy boat was passed on to someone else (unelected) fascinator
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3:36pm Fri 6 May 11

Spanners says...

Plantpot wrote:
Worried now about the effect on house prices, the freedom to travel, parking charges, onerous and elaborate refuse collection schemes, council tax rises to pay for nutty schemes etc. etc. I have lived here since the mid-eighties, and this is the first time I have seriously considered moving. I never thought I would ever live in a place where far left policies would prevail. Let's hope that the Labs/Cons can get together to moderate the more odd Green policies.
parking charges went up, residents permit zones were extended and huge revenues were collected by the traffic wombles under the last lot - so not sure what you mean. Refuse collection also became more "elaborate" as you put it (and collected less often to boot). Council taxes are affected by central goverment decisions as well as local. I belive they are either static or dropping this year. House prices have got FAR greater economic forces acting on them than a few green councillors (lack of mortgage lending whilst banks repair their balance sheets, wages dropping whilst inflation rises and the market correction effect of a vastly overvalued industry to name but a few). What I'm saying is by all means move out of Brighton but I'm not sure you have based your decision on any actual facts/reality but rather your personal set of prejudices. Food for thought?
[quote][p][bold]Plantpot[/bold] wrote: Worried now about the effect on house prices, the freedom to travel, parking charges, onerous and elaborate refuse collection schemes, council tax rises to pay for nutty schemes etc. etc. I have lived here since the mid-eighties, and this is the first time I have seriously considered moving. I never thought I would ever live in a place where far left policies would prevail. Let's hope that the Labs/Cons can get together to moderate the more odd Green policies.[/p][/quote]parking charges went up, residents permit zones were extended and huge revenues were collected by the traffic wombles under the last lot - so not sure what you mean. Refuse collection also became more "elaborate" as you put it (and collected less often to boot). Council taxes are affected by central goverment decisions as well as local. I belive they are either static or dropping this year. House prices have got FAR greater economic forces acting on them than a few green councillors (lack of mortgage lending whilst banks repair their balance sheets, wages dropping whilst inflation rises and the market correction effect of a vastly overvalued industry to name but a few). What I'm saying is by all means move out of Brighton but I'm not sure you have based your decision on any actual facts/reality but rather your personal set of prejudices. Food for thought? Spanners
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3:38pm Fri 6 May 11

Andy R says...

brunswick63 wrote:
Martha Gunn wrote: Now it looks as though the clowns will be running the circus, will Brussels Lucas feel it's safe to move to Brighton?
Don't worry, nothing will force Lucas to give up her Brussels gravy-train; where else would she have a platform for her mad ideas, such as making Brighton a centre for UFO research, persuading residents to 'adopt' an asylum seeker (thus easing the housing crisis) and removing all immigration controls (Lucas is a member of the 'No Borders' pro-mass immigration pressure group). Security word: hope-gone!!!
Lucas is no longer an MEP and ceased to be so when she became MP for Pavilion. Shame you don't know what you're talking about.
[quote][p][bold]brunswick63[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Martha Gunn[/bold] wrote: Now it looks as though the clowns will be running the circus, will Brussels Lucas feel it's safe to move to Brighton?[/p][/quote]Don't worry, nothing will force Lucas to give up her Brussels gravy-train; where else would she have a platform for her mad ideas, such as making Brighton a centre for UFO research, persuading residents to 'adopt' an asylum seeker (thus easing the housing crisis) and removing all immigration controls (Lucas is a member of the 'No Borders' pro-mass immigration pressure group). Security word: hope-gone!!![/p][/quote]Lucas is no longer an MEP and ceased to be so when she became MP for Pavilion. Shame you don't know what you're talking about. Andy R
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3:46pm Fri 6 May 11

lcfmonkey says...

I am so happy about this, good work Brighton!! Come on Greens let's move this city forward!
Oh and all the moaners; if you don't like it bugger off and move to Ditchling or some other horrible Tory enclave, you're in the minority now!
I am so happy about this, good work Brighton!! Come on Greens let's move this city forward! Oh and all the moaners; if you don't like it bugger off and move to Ditchling or some other horrible Tory enclave, you're in the minority now! lcfmonkey
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3:54pm Fri 6 May 11

harrysgrand says...

So the end for Brighton, just look what happened to Ireland when they were stupid enough to vote the greens into a coalition. And look what happened this year voted the whole lot out again not even one elected!
So the end for Brighton, just look what happened to Ireland when they were stupid enough to vote the greens into a coalition. And look what happened this year voted the whole lot out again not even one elected! harrysgrand
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3:58pm Fri 6 May 11

deltaP says...

Plantpot wrote:
Worried now about the effect on house prices, the freedom to travel, parking charges, onerous and elaborate refuse collection schemes, council tax rises to pay for nutty schemes etc. etc. I have lived here since the mid-eighties, and this is the first time I have seriously considered moving. I never thought I would ever live in a place where far left policies would prevail. Let's hope that the Labs/Cons can get together to moderate the more odd Green policies.
How true! After what the Loony Labour Party did to the country's economy, some people still don't seem to have learned any lessons at all. Sadly, with the Green Nutters in charge, B&H is going to become even an more expensive place to live now. Just watch how house prices will spiral with all those wanting to get away.
[quote][p][bold]Plantpot[/bold] wrote: Worried now about the effect on house prices, the freedom to travel, parking charges, onerous and elaborate refuse collection schemes, council tax rises to pay for nutty schemes etc. etc. I have lived here since the mid-eighties, and this is the first time I have seriously considered moving. I never thought I would ever live in a place where far left policies would prevail. Let's hope that the Labs/Cons can get together to moderate the more odd Green policies.[/p][/quote]How true! After what the Loony Labour Party did to the country's economy, some people still don't seem to have learned any lessons at all. Sadly, with the Green Nutters in charge, B&H is going to become even an more expensive place to live now. Just watch how house prices will spiral with all those wanting to get away. deltaP
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3:58pm Fri 6 May 11

Metro Reader says...

The greens may have more seats but they do not thankfully, have a majority.
With the Tory and Libs working together, Labour being washed up, No other party is available for a protest vote, which is why some delude voters went green.

From memory we could look forward to some of the following crazy schemes:
20 mph blanket speed limit across the city, which means Brighton AND Hove, some seem to forget that one!

More Cycle and 24 hour bus lanes, perhaps even having a local congestion charge! Not to mention increased parking and council tax next year and for the next 4!

So rejoice if you will but remember this, the Green eyed monster has been unleashed.
The greens may have more seats but they do not thankfully, have a majority. With the Tory and Libs working together, Labour being washed up, No other party is available for a protest vote, which is why some delude voters went green. From memory we could look forward to some of the following crazy schemes: 20 mph blanket speed limit across the city, which means Brighton AND Hove, some seem to forget that one! More Cycle and 24 hour bus lanes, perhaps even having a local congestion charge! Not to mention increased parking and council tax next year and for the next 4! So rejoice if you will but remember this, the Green eyed monster has been unleashed. Metro Reader
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4:05pm Fri 6 May 11

Cooley says...

...can't stand the GP- ugly do-gooders. environment my arse.But fair play to 'em, a bird turned up at me drum y/day asking whether or not I'd voted. No one else did. Good luck to 'em.
Tossers.
...can't stand the GP- ugly do-gooders. environment my arse.But fair play to 'em, a bird turned up at me drum y/day asking whether or not I'd voted. No one else did. Good luck to 'em. Tossers. Cooley
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4:10pm Fri 6 May 11

Andy R says...

Metro Reader wrote:
The greens may have more seats but they do not thankfully, have a majority. With the Tory and Libs working together, Labour being washed up, No other party is available for a protest vote, which is why some delude voters went green. From memory we could look forward to some of the following crazy schemes: 20 mph blanket speed limit across the city, which means Brighton AND Hove, some seem to forget that one! More Cycle and 24 hour bus lanes, perhaps even having a local congestion charge! Not to mention increased parking and council tax next year and for the next 4! So rejoice if you will but remember this, the Green eyed monster has been unleashed.
The de facto speed limit across most of the city most of the time is about 10mph...or hadn't you noticed?

And...."deluded"?...
..I never cease to be amazed at the number of rather socially inept people who like to write on here about other people's supposed inadequacies.

Maybe Plantpot should have declared his intention to move before polling day. Just think what an earth-shattering effect that could have had on the result........
[quote][p][bold]Metro Reader[/bold] wrote: The greens may have more seats but they do not thankfully, have a majority. With the Tory and Libs working together, Labour being washed up, No other party is available for a protest vote, which is why some delude voters went green. From memory we could look forward to some of the following crazy schemes: 20 mph blanket speed limit across the city, which means Brighton AND Hove, some seem to forget that one! More Cycle and 24 hour bus lanes, perhaps even having a local congestion charge! Not to mention increased parking and council tax next year and for the next 4! So rejoice if you will but remember this, the Green eyed monster has been unleashed.[/p][/quote]The de facto speed limit across most of the city most of the time is about 10mph...or hadn't you noticed? And...."deluded"?... ..I never cease to be amazed at the number of rather socially inept people who like to write on here about other people's supposed inadequacies. Maybe Plantpot should have declared his intention to move before polling day. Just think what an earth-shattering effect that could have had on the result........ Andy R
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4:15pm Fri 6 May 11

Andy R says...

Magnatron2010 wrote:
Can anyone please me more about Caroline Lucas's interest in making Brighton a leading centre for UFO and ghost research? I have heard this story a number of times, so I think there must be some truth to it. I have a number of Green-voting friends, and when I ask them about this they appear to be embarrassed, and change the subject, but they NEVER deny it?
Yes....I imagine that when you ask them, their thought process is along the lines of "oh no....he's banging on about that again.....just smile politely, change the subject.....and get on the phone to the home quick for them to come and pick him up again".
[quote][p][bold]Magnatron2010[/bold] wrote: Can anyone please me more about Caroline Lucas's interest in making Brighton a leading centre for UFO and ghost research? I have heard this story a number of times, so I think there must be some truth to it. I have a number of Green-voting friends, and when I ask them about this they appear to be embarrassed, and change the subject, but they NEVER deny it?[/p][/quote]Yes....I imagine that when you ask them, their thought process is along the lines of "oh no....he's banging on about that again.....just smile politely, change the subject.....and get on the phone to the home quick for them to come and pick him up again". Andy R
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4:29pm Fri 6 May 11

Llort says...

Blimey - the usual spiteful gibberish on the Argus comments section on a story in which the Greens are mentioned.

The UFO thing.... no idea what that's about, sounds like it's been made up by someone who really does need to take a rest.

Caroline Lucas & the 'Europe Gravy Train'. What are you on about? You've made it up! I think you'll find that is UKIP - whose MEPs draw a salary but refuse to participate in voting etc at the EC, because they are 'against Europe'.

Jeez - if you only get on here to write bitchy nonsense, then maybe it's time to switch the computer off go have a nice walk instead.
Blimey - the usual spiteful gibberish on the Argus comments section on a story in which the Greens are mentioned. The UFO thing.... no idea what that's about, sounds like it's been made up by someone who really does need to take a rest. Caroline Lucas & the 'Europe Gravy Train'. What are you on about? You've made it up! I think you'll find that is UKIP - whose MEPs draw a salary but refuse to participate in voting etc at the EC, because they are 'against Europe'. Jeez - if you only get on here to write bitchy nonsense, then maybe it's time to switch the computer off go have a nice walk instead. Llort
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4:37pm Fri 6 May 11

HJarrs says...

I think what really sticks in the craw for the usual bunch of negative moaners is that the Greens are a grass roots movement backed by thousands of local people. The Greens are a party backed by tiny financial resources and lots of good will and with ideas, and policies that resonnate with a large proportion of the voters in B&H. No fat cat backers, no national newspapers or trade unions to back them. If you don't agree with the policies, then fine but all this spiteful scorn in merely insulting the good people of this city that have bravely decided to give a different party a go.
I think what really sticks in the craw for the usual bunch of negative moaners is that the Greens are a grass roots movement backed by thousands of local people. The Greens are a party backed by tiny financial resources and lots of good will and with ideas, and policies that resonnate with a large proportion of the voters in B&H. No fat cat backers, no national newspapers or trade unions to back them. If you don't agree with the policies, then fine but all this spiteful scorn in merely insulting the good people of this city that have bravely decided to give a different party a go. HJarrs
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4:50pm Fri 6 May 11

Andy R says...

Magnatron2010 wrote:
Andy R wrote:
Magnatron2010 wrote: Can anyone please me more about Caroline Lucas's interest in making Brighton a leading centre for UFO and ghost research? I have heard this story a number of times, so I think there must be some truth to it. I have a number of Green-voting friends, and when I ask them about this they appear to be embarrassed, and change the subject, but they NEVER deny it?
Yes....I imagine that when you ask them, their thought process is along the lines of "oh no....he's banging on about that again.....just smile politely, change the subject.....and get on the phone to the home quick for them to come and pick him up again".
Sorry, didn't realise that you're a Green; would it really be so hard for you to either confirm or deny the story? I see that you're another Green that becomes embarrassed that the story has been brought up....
There's a difference between being embarrassed ABOUT someTHING, and being embarrassed FOR someONE.

I suspect that few Greens are in a position to confirm or deny because few know what you're on about.
[quote][p][bold]Magnatron2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy R[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Magnatron2010[/bold] wrote: Can anyone please me more about Caroline Lucas's interest in making Brighton a leading centre for UFO and ghost research? I have heard this story a number of times, so I think there must be some truth to it. I have a number of Green-voting friends, and when I ask them about this they appear to be embarrassed, and change the subject, but they NEVER deny it?[/p][/quote]Yes....I imagine that when you ask them, their thought process is along the lines of "oh no....he's banging on about that again.....just smile politely, change the subject.....and get on the phone to the home quick for them to come and pick him up again".[/p][/quote]Sorry, didn't realise that you're a Green; would it really be so hard for you to either confirm or deny the story? I see that you're another Green that becomes embarrassed that the story has been brought up....[/p][/quote]There's a difference between being embarrassed ABOUT someTHING, and being embarrassed FOR someONE. I suspect that few Greens are in a position to confirm or deny because few know what you're on about. Andy R
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4:50pm Fri 6 May 11

heartthrob says...

Mary, if you are reading this, you did a good job. Glad that you've been re-elected. We need a balance of parties to run this city well and I'm sure you will play your part.
Mary, if you are reading this, you did a good job. Glad that you've been re-elected. We need a balance of parties to run this city well and I'm sure you will play your part. heartthrob
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4:52pm Fri 6 May 11

mr_gee says...

Ding dong the witch is dead... (figuratively speaking of course).
Ding dong the witch is dead... (figuratively speaking of course). mr_gee
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4:55pm Fri 6 May 11

boristhespider says...

I can think of many negatives but few positives of this election result. So what do we have to look forward to: A congestion zone, banning of traffic from town centre, reduced speed limit to 20 mph, increased parking charges, higher council tax, a further drain on business costs, no park and ride, more cycle lanes, a possible centre for UFO research (really?), a food waste collection scheme (whatever that entails - do the council really want my waste food? What they going to do with it?), more expensive residents parking permits but will they increase the parking permit zones which nobody wants, more ugly cheap housing - think New England Quarter, no investment in the train station, more Guerilla gardens, renting rooms to immigrants - like we need more of them to fill all the job vacancies that don't exist, I could go on....now for the positives..I can't think of any! RIP Brighton & Hove.
I can think of many negatives but few positives of this election result. So what do we have to look forward to: A congestion zone, banning of traffic from town centre, reduced speed limit to 20 mph, increased parking charges, higher council tax, a further drain on business costs, no park and ride, more cycle lanes, a possible centre for UFO research (really?), a food waste collection scheme (whatever that entails - do the council really want my waste food? What they going to do with it?), more expensive residents parking permits but will they increase the parking permit zones which nobody wants, more ugly cheap housing - think New England Quarter, no investment in the train station, more Guerilla gardens, renting rooms to immigrants - like we need more of them to fill all the job vacancies that don't exist, I could go on....now for the positives..I can't think of any! RIP Brighton & Hove. boristhespider
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5:01pm Fri 6 May 11

AGT999 says...

All I can say is, thank God I don't live in Brighton now and have to put up with looney unaffordable policies and high community charges.
All I can say is, thank God I don't live in Brighton now and have to put up with looney unaffordable policies and high community charges. AGT999
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5:08pm Fri 6 May 11

Lil says...

I don't really have an opinion one way or another.

Except to say:

Wow.

It will be interesting to see what changes in the coming years in Brighton & Hove.
I don't really have an opinion one way or another. Except to say: Wow. It will be interesting to see what changes in the coming years in Brighton & Hove. Lil
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5:19pm Fri 6 May 11

The Gnome says...

Well done Brighton -you are so busy being different that you have failed completely to engage in the major political debates of the day.
As a town, we should be ashamed that only 41% voted. The Greens got 33% of that 41 %. This means that they actually got about 13.5% of the possible votes in Brighton -not much more than one in ten. Even more bizarrely, Labour got just 1% less of the vote than the Greens, but won far fewer seats. The Conservatives got more seats than Labour with even fewer votes. All of you who voted against electoral reform, or worse still, didn't bother to vote at all, would do well to reflect on the kind of "Democracy" that you have. If you are celebrating a Green "win" -ask yourself if this really is a victory, bearing in mind that they used every trick in the book to boost votes in targetted seats. But hey -isn't it cool to dress up and be different? We're all too special to get involved in all that boring politics stuff. I'm off to do a bit of guerilla gardening now...
Well done Brighton -you are so busy being different that you have failed completely to engage in the major political debates of the day. As a town, we should be ashamed that only 41% voted. The Greens got 33% of that 41 %. This means that they actually got about 13.5% of the possible votes in Brighton -not much more than one in ten. Even more bizarrely, Labour got just 1% less of the vote than the Greens, but won far fewer seats. The Conservatives got more seats than Labour with even fewer votes. All of you who voted against electoral reform, or worse still, didn't bother to vote at all, would do well to reflect on the kind of "Democracy" that you have. If you are celebrating a Green "win" -ask yourself if this really is a victory, bearing in mind that they used every trick in the book to boost votes in targetted seats. But hey -isn't it cool to dress up and be different? We're all too special to get involved in all that boring politics stuff. I'm off to do a bit of guerilla gardening now... The Gnome
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5:23pm Fri 6 May 11

Floreat Hova says...

Well, I hope all these grinning Greens live up to the hype etc. Re the photo: where is Hove's "nouveau Green" Cllr Hawtree? Can't see him anywhere. I note ominous gap next to C. Lucas, so hope Argus hasn't unwittingly given the "Trotsky air-brush treatment" to the notorious library services maverick already lol ;)
Well, I hope all these grinning Greens live up to the hype etc. Re the photo: where is Hove's "nouveau Green" Cllr Hawtree? Can't see him anywhere. I note ominous gap next to C. Lucas, so hope Argus hasn't unwittingly given the "Trotsky air-brush treatment" to the notorious library services maverick already lol ;) Floreat Hova
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5:28pm Fri 6 May 11

Lewesroadresident says...

boristhespider wrote:
I can think of many negatives but few positives of this election result. So what do we have to look forward to: A congestion zone, banning of traffic from town centre, reduced speed limit to 20 mph, increased parking charges, higher council tax, a further drain on business costs, no park and ride, more cycle lanes, a possible centre for UFO research (really?), a food waste collection scheme (whatever that entails - do the council really want my waste food? What they going to do with it?), more expensive residents parking permits but will they increase the parking permit zones which nobody wants, more ugly cheap housing - think New England Quarter, no investment in the train station, more Guerilla gardens, renting rooms to immigrants - like we need more of them to fill all the job vacancies that don't exist, I could go on....now for the positives..I can't think of any! RIP Brighton & Hove.
I can't find any reference to UFOs and Caroline Lucas online and suspect it's completely made up, but perhaps someone on here could tell me what the problem is with a UFO research centre? As long as it doesn't cost tax payers any money it would appear that a centre providing jobs and drawing people to the city actually only has positive points, regardless of those people possibly being a bit nutty.

20mph speed limit- proposed by Tory controlled council.
Parking charges & permits- increased by Tory & Labour controlled councils
Higher CT- increased by Tory & Labour
New England Quarter- planned and approved by Labour controlled council.
Guerilla gardens- C Lucas spoke enthusiastically about it, but no Greens had anything to do with it officially- it was nothing to do with a political party.

Caroline Lucas' personal opinions are irrelevant anyway- this was a local election. I always fail to understand why people feel inclined to pour out so much vitriol & scorn when she or the Green's are mentioned. They are certainly not any worse than the other 3 parties!
[quote][p][bold]boristhespider[/bold] wrote: I can think of many negatives but few positives of this election result. So what do we have to look forward to: A congestion zone, banning of traffic from town centre, reduced speed limit to 20 mph, increased parking charges, higher council tax, a further drain on business costs, no park and ride, more cycle lanes, a possible centre for UFO research (really?), a food waste collection scheme (whatever that entails - do the council really want my waste food? What they going to do with it?), more expensive residents parking permits but will they increase the parking permit zones which nobody wants, more ugly cheap housing - think New England Quarter, no investment in the train station, more Guerilla gardens, renting rooms to immigrants - like we need more of them to fill all the job vacancies that don't exist, I could go on....now for the positives..I can't think of any! RIP Brighton & Hove.[/p][/quote]I can't find any reference to UFOs and Caroline Lucas online and suspect it's completely made up, but perhaps someone on here could tell me what the problem is with a UFO research centre? As long as it doesn't cost tax payers any money it would appear that a centre providing jobs and drawing people to the city actually only has positive points, regardless of those people possibly being a bit nutty. 20mph speed limit- proposed by Tory controlled council. Parking charges & permits- increased by Tory & Labour controlled councils Higher CT- increased by Tory & Labour New England Quarter- planned and approved by Labour controlled council. Guerilla gardens- C Lucas spoke enthusiastically about it, but no Greens had anything to do with it officially- it was nothing to do with a political party. Caroline Lucas' personal opinions are irrelevant anyway- this was a local election. I always fail to understand why people feel inclined to pour out so much vitriol & scorn when she or the Green's are mentioned. They are certainly not any worse than the other 3 parties! Lewesroadresident
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5:47pm Fri 6 May 11

brunswick63 says...

Lewesroadresident wrote:
boristhespider wrote:
I can think of many negatives but few positives of this election result. So what do we have to look forward to: A congestion zone, banning of traffic from town centre, reduced speed limit to 20 mph, increased parking charges, higher council tax, a further drain on business costs, no park and ride, more cycle lanes, a possible centre for UFO research (really?), a food waste collection scheme (whatever that entails - do the council really want my waste food? What they going to do with it?), more expensive residents parking permits but will they increase the parking permit zones which nobody wants, more ugly cheap housing - think New England Quarter, no investment in the train station, more Guerilla gardens, renting rooms to immigrants - like we need more of them to fill all the job vacancies that don't exist, I could go on....now for the positives..I can't think of any! RIP Brighton & Hove.
I can't find any reference to UFOs and Caroline Lucas online and suspect it's completely made up, but perhaps someone on here could tell me what the problem is with a UFO research centre? As long as it doesn't cost tax payers any money it would appear that a centre providing jobs and drawing people to the city actually only has positive points, regardless of those people possibly being a bit nutty.

20mph speed limit- proposed by Tory controlled council.
Parking charges & permits- increased by Tory & Labour controlled councils
Higher CT- increased by Tory & Labour
New England Quarter- planned and approved by Labour controlled council.
Guerilla gardens- C Lucas spoke enthusiastically about it, but no Greens had anything to do with it officially- it was nothing to do with a political party.

Caroline Lucas' personal opinions are irrelevant anyway- this was a local election. I always fail to understand why people feel inclined to pour out so much vitriol & scorn when she or the Green's are mentioned. They are certainly not any worse than the other 3 parties!
The thing is, Caroline Lucas's proposed UFO research centre WILL cost tax payers money. The woman is completely barking mad
[quote][p][bold]Lewesroadresident[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]boristhespider[/bold] wrote: I can think of many negatives but few positives of this election result. So what do we have to look forward to: A congestion zone, banning of traffic from town centre, reduced speed limit to 20 mph, increased parking charges, higher council tax, a further drain on business costs, no park and ride, more cycle lanes, a possible centre for UFO research (really?), a food waste collection scheme (whatever that entails - do the council really want my waste food? What they going to do with it?), more expensive residents parking permits but will they increase the parking permit zones which nobody wants, more ugly cheap housing - think New England Quarter, no investment in the train station, more Guerilla gardens, renting rooms to immigrants - like we need more of them to fill all the job vacancies that don't exist, I could go on....now for the positives..I can't think of any! RIP Brighton & Hove.[/p][/quote]I can't find any reference to UFOs and Caroline Lucas online and suspect it's completely made up, but perhaps someone on here could tell me what the problem is with a UFO research centre? As long as it doesn't cost tax payers any money it would appear that a centre providing jobs and drawing people to the city actually only has positive points, regardless of those people possibly being a bit nutty. 20mph speed limit- proposed by Tory controlled council. Parking charges & permits- increased by Tory & Labour controlled councils Higher CT- increased by Tory & Labour New England Quarter- planned and approved by Labour controlled council. Guerilla gardens- C Lucas spoke enthusiastically about it, but no Greens had anything to do with it officially- it was nothing to do with a political party. Caroline Lucas' personal opinions are irrelevant anyway- this was a local election. I always fail to understand why people feel inclined to pour out so much vitriol & scorn when she or the Green's are mentioned. They are certainly not any worse than the other 3 parties![/p][/quote]The thing is, Caroline Lucas's proposed UFO research centre WILL cost tax payers money. The woman is completely barking mad brunswick63
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5:52pm Fri 6 May 11

caeos says...

what is worng with banning non essential traffic (or congestion charge) from the old steine to palmeira square?
what is worng with banning non essential traffic (or congestion charge) from the old steine to palmeira square? caeos
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6:08pm Fri 6 May 11

General Dreedle says...

Stopthecuts wrote:
Plantpot must be a typo! Is that a cracked plantpot? What far left policies? This is the first time a council in this country has had a Green group that have the largest number of councillors. The Greens were the only party to oppose the draconian £28m cuts including £5.9m to the most vulnerable people in the City. Now they will have to administer that budget. Interesting.
Let's see if they keep their promises. They could start by keeping to their budget proposal of getting rid of the four £125k directors in order to protect front line services.
[quote][p][bold]Stopthecuts[/bold] wrote: Plantpot must be a typo! Is that a cracked plantpot? What far left policies? This is the first time a council in this country has had a Green group that have the largest number of councillors. The Greens were the only party to oppose the draconian £28m cuts including £5.9m to the most vulnerable people in the City. Now they will have to administer that budget. Interesting.[/p][/quote]Let's see if they keep their promises. They could start by keeping to their budget proposal of getting rid of the four £125k directors in order to protect front line services. General Dreedle
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6:12pm Fri 6 May 11

Martha Gunn says...

We all need to calm down about Brussels Lucas and the UFOs. This seems to me to be one of her more sane ideas and perhaps the first time she has proposed any measure for the economic development of the city.
We all need to calm down about Brussels Lucas and the UFOs. This seems to me to be one of her more sane ideas and perhaps the first time she has proposed any measure for the economic development of the city. Martha Gunn
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6:25pm Fri 6 May 11

Floreat Hova says...

Agree about low speed limits for cars on residential roads... but I hope the Greens won't push for more stupidly planned cycle lanes which lead nowhere and are just a grave hazard to pedestrians trying to cross main roads (re the seafront)...not that the lazy cyclists bother to use them, they cycle on pavement/promenade whenever they can etc. I think there should be day-time warden to make cyclists dismount on Hove prom (there used to be...) Signs make no difference...same re the "No Barbecue" signs, useless. I bet a lot of those weekend 20-something "barbie groupies" choking Hove Lawns from 4pm with the thick fug/smoke from cooking their Waitrose "essential" sausages voted Green...(?!)
Agree about low speed limits for cars on residential roads... but I hope the Greens won't push for more stupidly planned cycle lanes which lead nowhere and are just a grave hazard to pedestrians trying to cross main roads (re the seafront)...not that the lazy cyclists bother to use them, they cycle on pavement/promenade whenever they can etc. I think there should be day-time warden to make cyclists dismount on Hove prom (there used to be...) Signs make no difference...same re the "No Barbecue" signs, useless. I bet a lot of those weekend 20-something "barbie groupies" choking Hove Lawns from 4pm with the thick fug/smoke from cooking their Waitrose "essential" sausages voted Green...(?!) Floreat Hova
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6:28pm Fri 6 May 11

Mutteroo says...

I feel proud to be a Brighton and Hove resident. At least voters here had the courage to instigate change. I do not agree with many green policies; but then again I don't agree with many of the other parties policies! It is time to allow newbies with fresh ideas to see what they can do. It HAS to be better than the lack of inspiration by the Tories.
I feel proud to be a Brighton and Hove resident. At least voters here had the courage to instigate change. I do not agree with many green policies; but then again I don't agree with many of the other parties policies! It is time to allow newbies with fresh ideas to see what they can do. It HAS to be better than the lack of inspiration by the Tories. Mutteroo
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6:43pm Fri 6 May 11

Mr Pickwick says...

Well, let's see what happens. Nobody has much room for manoeuvre, given the current economic circumstances. The one thing they could do is raid the reserves and strip them bare. The thing they ought to do is merge back offices with several other councils, which would save tens of millions for services that actually affect people. Whether they have the courage to do so is another matter. Let the four-year experiment begin.
And get this as a security phrase: left-plan!
Well, let's see what happens. Nobody has much room for manoeuvre, given the current economic circumstances. The one thing they could do is raid the reserves and strip them bare. The thing they ought to do is merge back offices with several other councils, which would save tens of millions for services that actually affect people. Whether they have the courage to do so is another matter. Let the four-year experiment begin. And get this as a security phrase: left-plan! Mr Pickwick
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6:49pm Fri 6 May 11

btnboi says...

Well what i want to know is just how 'Green' caroline Lucas is! I do believe her permanent home is still in Brussels with her family living there. so how many green air miles does she make and how much tax payers mone does it cost for her to visit her constituancy ?
Well what i want to know is just how 'Green' caroline Lucas is! I do believe her permanent home is still in Brussels with her family living there. so how many green air miles does she make and how much tax payers mone does it cost for her to visit her constituancy ? btnboi
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7:36pm Fri 6 May 11

TheInsider says...

First, it is astonishing that some people vote for a party because they don't like the others. To those of you who did this, did you actually really check out your candidate, their experience and and their policies?
Running a unitary authority responsible for education is a bit different than councillors pottering about in a district or borough council worrying about dogs mess and what tulips to plant in parks.
Second, being in opposition is an easier job than being in power and some of these new councillors are going to get gobbled up by some of the old guard in opposition and the public.
This experiment will provide some very lively and even dangerous politics and all of us ordinary folk are going to pay for it.
Someone once said to me, you have to be rich to vote green, well are there really any rich people left?
Anyway I am off to tip my recycling back into the wheelie bin.
First, it is astonishing that some people vote for a party because they don't like the others. To those of you who did this, did you actually really check out your candidate, their experience and and their policies? Running a unitary authority responsible for education is a bit different than councillors pottering about in a district or borough council worrying about dogs mess and what tulips to plant in parks. Second, being in opposition is an easier job than being in power and some of these new councillors are going to get gobbled up by some of the old guard in opposition and the public. This experiment will provide some very lively and even dangerous politics and all of us ordinary folk are going to pay for it. Someone once said to me, you have to be rich to vote green, well are there really any rich people left? Anyway I am off to tip my recycling back into the wheelie bin. TheInsider
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7:37pm Fri 6 May 11

King Biscuit says...

It says a lot about the credibility of Ms Lucas that the only thing her opponents use to criticise her is that she lives in Brussels. Especially as she actually lives off Seven Dials!

To summarise for the slow kids at the back of the class: Lucas lived in Oxford when she was elected MEP for the South East. Some people have even criticised this, say she should have been living in Brighton then (why? Oxford was in her Euro constituency just as Brighton was). Most MEPs stay living in thr UK and commute to Brussels using planes and expensive hotels that they claim for. To reduce her carbon footprint and expenses Lucas and her family moved over there. As a result she was voted 'Best' MEP every year by political websites for having higher attendance at debates and lower expenses than anyone else. Yet people use this decision to criticise her? Unbelievable!

In the run up to the General Election, Lucas moved to Brighton where she continues to live. Her husband and kids remain in Brussels until the eldest child finishes school (this summer) when they will join her in Brighton. She visits them roughly every other weekend (Eurostar journey with carbon offset payments).

I'm not a Green Party member, I just don't like people spouting what they know to be lies. Lucas' home arrangement is widely known on the internet. Find another stick to beat her with.
It says a lot about the credibility of Ms Lucas that the only thing her opponents use to criticise her is that she lives in Brussels. Especially as she actually lives off Seven Dials! To summarise for the slow kids at the back of the class: Lucas lived in Oxford when she was elected MEP for the South East. Some people have even criticised this, say she should have been living in Brighton then (why? Oxford was in her Euro constituency just as Brighton was). Most MEPs stay living in thr UK and commute to Brussels using planes and expensive hotels that they claim for. To reduce her carbon footprint and expenses Lucas and her family moved over there. As a result she was voted 'Best' MEP every year by political websites for having higher attendance at debates and lower expenses than anyone else. Yet people use this decision to criticise her? Unbelievable! In the run up to the General Election, Lucas moved to Brighton where she continues to live. Her husband and kids remain in Brussels until the eldest child finishes school (this summer) when they will join her in Brighton. She visits them roughly every other weekend (Eurostar journey with carbon offset payments). I'm not a Green Party member, I just don't like people spouting what they know to be lies. Lucas' home arrangement is widely known on the internet. Find another stick to beat her with. King Biscuit
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7:47pm Fri 6 May 11

TheInsider says...

Caroline Lucas is a good constituency MP however, as she is a lone voice, most of her efforts to make change will be futile.
However, there is a vast gulf between grass roots councillors and an MP.
This country needs councillors with business experience, life experience and who are robust.
It's all very well chatting about library services, parks and the nice aspect of council work, but how many of these new faces have the character to take serious action to tackle the huge drug problem, crime, the impact of student housing on family communities, the desperate state of schools in the city, the EDL, the rioters smashing up shops and more importantly how many of them will have the balls to tackle some of the influential business characters in the city who want to run the city.
Sadly, I fear Greens are just too nice for the dirty work needed in Brighton. They might be ok in Hove but the rest of the city needs some tough characters.
Caroline Lucas is a good constituency MP however, as she is a lone voice, most of her efforts to make change will be futile. However, there is a vast gulf between grass roots councillors and an MP. This country needs councillors with business experience, life experience and who are robust. It's all very well chatting about library services, parks and the nice aspect of council work, but how many of these new faces have the character to take serious action to tackle the huge drug problem, crime, the impact of student housing on family communities, the desperate state of schools in the city, the EDL, the rioters smashing up shops and more importantly how many of them will have the balls to tackle some of the influential business characters in the city who want to run the city. Sadly, I fear Greens are just too nice for the dirty work needed in Brighton. They might be ok in Hove but the rest of the city needs some tough characters. TheInsider
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8:08pm Fri 6 May 11

sdhgfhfuyt says...

TheInsider wrote:
Caroline Lucas is a good constituency MP however, as she is a lone voice, most of her efforts to make change will be futile.
However, there is a vast gulf between grass roots councillors and an MP.
This country needs councillors with business experience, life experience and who are robust.
It's all very well chatting about library services, parks and the nice aspect of council work, but how many of these new faces have the character to take serious action to tackle the huge drug problem, crime, the impact of student housing on family communities, the desperate state of schools in the city, the EDL, the rioters smashing up shops and more importantly how many of them will have the balls to tackle some of the influential business characters in the city who want to run the city.
Sadly, I fear Greens are just too nice for the dirty work needed in Brighton. They might be ok in Hove but the rest of the city needs some tough characters.
You would be 100% correct there. We need experienced leaders, not anti-carbon idealists, voted in by students and ex-students who are not even from Brighton
[quote][p][bold]TheInsider[/bold] wrote: Caroline Lucas is a good constituency MP however, as she is a lone voice, most of her efforts to make change will be futile. However, there is a vast gulf between grass roots councillors and an MP. This country needs councillors with business experience, life experience and who are robust. It's all very well chatting about library services, parks and the nice aspect of council work, but how many of these new faces have the character to take serious action to tackle the huge drug problem, crime, the impact of student housing on family communities, the desperate state of schools in the city, the EDL, the rioters smashing up shops and more importantly how many of them will have the balls to tackle some of the influential business characters in the city who want to run the city. Sadly, I fear Greens are just too nice for the dirty work needed in Brighton. They might be ok in Hove but the rest of the city needs some tough characters.[/p][/quote]You would be 100% correct there. We need experienced leaders, not anti-carbon idealists, voted in by students and ex-students who are not even from Brighton sdhgfhfuyt
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8:18pm Fri 6 May 11

Acheron says...

At what point should I remind people that one of the former leaders of the Green party was David 'Son of God' Ike.

Anyway, onto more serious things...

Agree with a lot of what Insider has said. She was on the streets campaigning even at 5pm yesterday, so fair play to her for that. Never saw any others doing so. Maybe the other parties could learn some lessons there in terms of engaging with the people they represent.

On the downside, I have reservations about the wider politics that the Greens will now have to engage with, and whether they can accept that some things come above and before 'green' policies.

Personally slightly concerned about the council tax sky rocketing. Would love to know the % of students (traditionally Green voters) who voted. They, of course, wouldn't be affected by the council tax, but the rest of us may end up suffering financially as a result.

Chinese proverbs about interesting times spring to mind!
At what point should I remind people that one of the former leaders of the Green party was David 'Son of God' Ike. Anyway, onto more serious things... Agree with a lot of what Insider has said. She was on the streets campaigning even at 5pm yesterday, so fair play to her for that. Never saw any others doing so. Maybe the other parties could learn some lessons there in terms of engaging with the people they represent. On the downside, I have reservations about the wider politics that the Greens will now have to engage with, and whether they can accept that some things come above and before 'green' policies. Personally slightly concerned about the council tax sky rocketing. Would love to know the % of students (traditionally Green voters) who voted. They, of course, wouldn't be affected by the council tax, but the rest of us may end up suffering financially as a result. Chinese proverbs about interesting times spring to mind! Acheron
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8:46pm Fri 6 May 11

jimbo1981 says...

The bitterness is incredible, even for the normal Argus commenters.

Students? What, so many students in Goldsmid, that they have managed to swing a vote in the favour of the Greens? I have no idea of the percentage of students living in Goldsmid, or many of the other areas that the Greens won in, but there are nowhere near enough (except in the area around Lewes Road) to swing a vote in any direction.

There were about 75,000 votes for Greens across B&H. You think 75,000 students voted? I doubt even 7500 students did.

Sore, sore losers. It's sad to see grown adults so desperate to explain away popular opinion so as to blame it on those nasty students, (all 150,000 based on a 50% turnout). It's sad. Very sad.
The bitterness is incredible, even for the normal Argus commenters. Students? What, so many students in Goldsmid, that they have managed to swing a vote in the favour of the Greens? I have no idea of the percentage of students living in Goldsmid, or many of the other areas that the Greens won in, but there are nowhere near enough (except in the area around Lewes Road) to swing a vote in any direction. There were about 75,000 votes for Greens across B&H. You think 75,000 students voted? I doubt even 7500 students did. Sore, sore losers. It's sad to see grown adults so desperate to explain away popular opinion so as to blame it on those nasty students, (all 150,000 based on a 50% turnout). It's sad. Very sad. jimbo1981
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9:06pm Fri 6 May 11

btnboi says...

King Biscuit wrote:
It says a lot about the credibility of Ms Lucas that the only thing her opponents use to criticise her is that she lives in Brussels. Especially as she actually lives off Seven Dials! To summarise for the slow kids at the back of the class: Lucas lived in Oxford when she was elected MEP for the South East. Some people have even criticised this, say she should have been living in Brighton then (why? Oxford was in her Euro constituency just as Brighton was). Most MEPs stay living in thr UK and commute to Brussels using planes and expensive hotels that they claim for. To reduce her carbon footprint and expenses Lucas and her family moved over there. As a result she was voted 'Best' MEP every year by political websites for having higher attendance at debates and lower expenses than anyone else. Yet people use this decision to criticise her? Unbelievable! In the run up to the General Election, Lucas moved to Brighton where she continues to live. Her husband and kids remain in Brussels until the eldest child finishes school (this summer) when they will join her in Brighton. She visits them roughly every other weekend (Eurostar journey with carbon offset payments). I'm not a Green Party member, I just don't like people spouting what they know to be lies. Lucas' home arrangement is widely known on the internet. Find another stick to beat her with.
when it goes against her own parties policies i think it does have an inpact on her credibility!! I know all about her history and the fact she used to work in brussels for the labour party before defecting. so what are the lies?

http://hanoverelmgro
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-brussels.html
[quote][p][bold]King Biscuit[/bold] wrote: It says a lot about the credibility of Ms Lucas that the only thing her opponents use to criticise her is that she lives in Brussels. Especially as she actually lives off Seven Dials! To summarise for the slow kids at the back of the class: Lucas lived in Oxford when she was elected MEP for the South East. Some people have even criticised this, say she should have been living in Brighton then (why? Oxford was in her Euro constituency just as Brighton was). Most MEPs stay living in thr UK and commute to Brussels using planes and expensive hotels that they claim for. To reduce her carbon footprint and expenses Lucas and her family moved over there. As a result she was voted 'Best' MEP every year by political websites for having higher attendance at debates and lower expenses than anyone else. Yet people use this decision to criticise her? Unbelievable! In the run up to the General Election, Lucas moved to Brighton where she continues to live. Her husband and kids remain in Brussels until the eldest child finishes school (this summer) when they will join her in Brighton. She visits them roughly every other weekend (Eurostar journey with carbon offset payments). I'm not a Green Party member, I just don't like people spouting what they know to be lies. Lucas' home arrangement is widely known on the internet. Find another stick to beat her with.[/p][/quote]when it goes against her own parties policies i think it does have an inpact on her credibility!! I know all about her history and the fact she used to work in brussels for the labour party before defecting. so what are the lies? http://hanoverelmgro velabour.blogspot.co m/2011/02/does-it-ma tter-our-mp-lives-in -brussels.html btnboi
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9:27pm Fri 6 May 11

Mr. Logical says...

A lot of confusion here. I checked the Green Party policies, and there isn't a UFO section!! And I'm sure that immigration isn't decided by local elections... This is democracy, this is how it works. If you don't like it, go live in North Korea and starve with those poor folk
A lot of confusion here. I checked the Green Party policies, and there isn't a UFO section!! And I'm sure that immigration isn't decided by local elections... This is democracy, this is how it works. If you don't like it, go live in North Korea and starve with those poor folk Mr. Logical
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9:43pm Fri 6 May 11

heartthrob says...

Greens : the country will be watching us. Rise council tax and parking charges and confirm your criticism of being a high tax loony party; writing yourself out of election success for good.

Show business acumen and keep costs to a conservative standard and you might just have more than one term. This is your chance and remember that every pound is from us hard working families. Use it wisely. We dont want this town to be any more expensive. We're already over stretched.
Greens : the country will be watching us. Rise council tax and parking charges and confirm your criticism of being a high tax loony party; writing yourself out of election success for good. Show business acumen and keep costs to a conservative standard and you might just have more than one term. This is your chance and remember that every pound is from us hard working families. Use it wisely. We dont want this town to be any more expensive. We're already over stretched. heartthrob
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9:52pm Fri 6 May 11

HJarrs says...

heartthrob wrote:
Greens : the country will be watching us. Rise council tax and parking charges and confirm your criticism of being a high tax loony party; writing yourself out of election success for good. Show business acumen and keep costs to a conservative standard and you might just have more than one term. This is your chance and remember that every pound is from us hard working families. Use it wisely. We dont want this town to be any more expensive. We're already over stretched.
Sorry heartthrob, I hope a Green administration is about a whole lot more than just keeping the parking fees and council tax down. I want a better quality of life and long term future for my family, which is not just down to pounds and pence, but a subtely different perspective on life. I wish the Greens luck and foresight to make some positive progress over the next 5 years. I do not expect miracles though.
[quote][p][bold]heartthrob[/bold] wrote: Greens : the country will be watching us. Rise council tax and parking charges and confirm your criticism of being a high tax loony party; writing yourself out of election success for good. Show business acumen and keep costs to a conservative standard and you might just have more than one term. This is your chance and remember that every pound is from us hard working families. Use it wisely. We dont want this town to be any more expensive. We're already over stretched.[/p][/quote]Sorry heartthrob, I hope a Green administration is about a whole lot more than just keeping the parking fees and council tax down. I want a better quality of life and long term future for my family, which is not just down to pounds and pence, but a subtely different perspective on life. I wish the Greens luck and foresight to make some positive progress over the next 5 years. I do not expect miracles though. HJarrs
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11:17pm Fri 6 May 11

rayellerton says...

caeos wrote:
what is worng with banning non essential traffic (or congestion charge) from the old steine to palmeira square?
what do you call non essential traffic? Im a tradesman who carrys out work all over the town and have to carry my tools and equipment in a small van. the present bus lanes/one ways/pedestrianised areas, and parking charges already make my working day a nightmare sometimes so i for one will not be happy to have my freedom to trade even further restricted thankyou..
[quote][p][bold]caeos[/bold] wrote: what is worng with banning non essential traffic (or congestion charge) from the old steine to palmeira square?[/p][/quote]what do you call non essential traffic? Im a tradesman who carrys out work all over the town and have to carry my tools and equipment in a small van. the present bus lanes/one ways/pedestrianised areas, and parking charges already make my working day a nightmare sometimes so i for one will not be happy to have my freedom to trade even further restricted thankyou.. rayellerton
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6:48am Sat 7 May 11

TheInsider says...

Well RayEllerton do what the tradesmen in London do which is refuse jobs in parking permit/pedestrian areas or charge a fortune to the client to offset the costs. Then HJarrs will realise that creating a better future for kids actually costs serious pounds and pence.
Well RayEllerton do what the tradesmen in London do which is refuse jobs in parking permit/pedestrian areas or charge a fortune to the client to offset the costs. Then HJarrs will realise that creating a better future for kids actually costs serious pounds and pence. TheInsider
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7:48am Sat 7 May 11

DoWeHavTo says...

Finally the Greens will get a chance to put their policies into practice.
Of course, they will be hide bound by the budgets that Labour and Tories have struggled with: the lack of money and resources.
They will encounter the same cynical attitudes and nimbyism as the other parts when it comes to things such as Travellers Sites etc. (And yes - I am a NIMBY)

In other words - they will be no better or no worse than the last lot. Its easy to talk about change when you aren't in power, once you get power you discover that its not as easy as you thought.

If they put a 10-15 mph limit in they won't get re-elected - simple as that.
Finally the Greens will get a chance to put their policies into practice. Of course, they will be hide bound by the budgets that Labour and Tories have struggled with: the lack of money and resources. They will encounter the same cynical attitudes and nimbyism as the other parts when it comes to things such as Travellers Sites etc. (And yes - I am a NIMBY) In other words - they will be no better or no worse than the last lot. Its easy to talk about change when you aren't in power, once you get power you discover that its not as easy as you thought. If they put a 10-15 mph limit in they won't get re-elected - simple as that. DoWeHavTo
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8:44am Sat 7 May 11

TheInsider says...

Patcham needs speed limits as the cars hurtle through there like a race track up to the A27 and it could be a good area for a park and ride ....we've been here before haven't we. The greens surely will revisit park and ride in that area.
Patcham needs speed limits as the cars hurtle through there like a race track up to the A27 and it could be a good area for a park and ride ....we've been here before haven't we. The greens surely will revisit park and ride in that area. TheInsider
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9:02am Sat 7 May 11

HJarrs says...

TheInsider wrote:
Well RayEllerton do what the tradesmen in London do which is refuse jobs in parking permit/pedestrian areas or charge a fortune to the client to offset the costs. Then HJarrs will realise that creating a better future for kids actually costs serious pounds and pence.
Already been a victim of this. I have a lot of sympathy for Ray, but it is a zero sum game. Too many people wanting to drive and park in B&H. Lift restrictions and it just encourages more people to drive in or own cars (why have some people in my street got 4 cars each?), which means parking is just as bad.

Perhaps it may be a bit more expensive to ensure a better place to live and work for the next generations (it also might not be in the long run), surely a price worth paying. If only we could get the tax dodgers to pay up there would be plenty of money in the coffers.
[quote][p][bold]TheInsider[/bold] wrote: Well RayEllerton do what the tradesmen in London do which is refuse jobs in parking permit/pedestrian areas or charge a fortune to the client to offset the costs. Then HJarrs will realise that creating a better future for kids actually costs serious pounds and pence.[/p][/quote]Already been a victim of this. I have a lot of sympathy for Ray, but it is a zero sum game. Too many people wanting to drive and park in B&H. Lift restrictions and it just encourages more people to drive in or own cars (why have some people in my street got 4 cars each?), which means parking is just as bad. Perhaps it may be a bit more expensive to ensure a better place to live and work for the next generations (it also might not be in the long run), surely a price worth paying. If only we could get the tax dodgers to pay up there would be plenty of money in the coffers. HJarrs
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10:11am Sat 7 May 11

TheInsider says...

HJarrs of course everyone wants a better place to live for future generations.
However, you must live in a wealthy part of town if the folk have four cars each. Most of Brighton and Hove isn't like that.
When did you last get on a bus? Visit a doctors' surgery in the parts of town where people are in ordinary jobs, have you visited any of the schools in these areas?
Preston Park and Hove are not representative of the majority of this city. Not everyone works in the media and heads off to Tuscany for a family holiday - but it's ok because they drive a Prius and pay the airline green tax. Someone once said to me that you have to be well off to vote green.
I live in a poorer part of town and most people have one car if that. They walk, use buses and cycle and don't go on holidays abroad if at all, but these are the people with the least impact on the environment who you will socially engineer out of the town by making it more expensive.
You will be left with the people who can afford four cars and who purchase and impact on the environment.
Come to my area of the town which has been devastated by family homes being bought by these four car owning buy-to-let landlords and filled with students who bring dozens of cars with them and most do not recycle. Come and see the bins spewing over the top every week and the anti-social behaviour. The old furniture thrown onto the street and the sleepless nights our kids have being woken up by this so-called future generation. Brighton and Hove families in my community are being held to ransom by the fluffy academics gaining office in the council who believe that having two universties in the town is worth sacrificing whole communities for. But who cares about our kids in the poor areas?
Clearly not you if you think it's ok to make it a more expensive place to live.
How will the Greens deal with this?
HJarrs of course everyone wants a better place to live for future generations. However, you must live in a wealthy part of town if the folk have four cars each. Most of Brighton and Hove isn't like that. When did you last get on a bus? Visit a doctors' surgery in the parts of town where people are in ordinary jobs, have you visited any of the schools in these areas? Preston Park and Hove are not representative of the majority of this city. Not everyone works in the media and heads off to Tuscany for a family holiday - but it's ok because they drive a Prius and pay the airline green tax. Someone once said to me that you have to be well off to vote green. I live in a poorer part of town and most people have one car if that. They walk, use buses and cycle and don't go on holidays abroad if at all, but these are the people with the least impact on the environment who you will socially engineer out of the town by making it more expensive. You will be left with the people who can afford four cars and who purchase and impact on the environment. Come to my area of the town which has been devastated by family homes being bought by these four car owning buy-to-let landlords and filled with students who bring dozens of cars with them and most do not recycle. Come and see the bins spewing over the top every week and the anti-social behaviour. The old furniture thrown onto the street and the sleepless nights our kids have being woken up by this so-called future generation. Brighton and Hove families in my community are being held to ransom by the fluffy academics gaining office in the council who believe that having two universties in the town is worth sacrificing whole communities for. But who cares about our kids in the poor areas? Clearly not you if you think it's ok to make it a more expensive place to live. How will the Greens deal with this? TheInsider
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10:18am Sat 7 May 11

fatlad says...

I think the 20 mph speed limit needs adjusting. Yes ....20mph to get into Brighton but 30+ mph to get out. Wouldn't the net effect be to empty the town?
Visited Lewes Road last week (a return to my childhood) would seriously recommend a 50mph to get out of town....
I think the 20 mph speed limit needs adjusting. Yes ....20mph to get into Brighton but 30+ mph to get out. Wouldn't the net effect be to empty the town? Visited Lewes Road last week (a return to my childhood) would seriously recommend a 50mph to get out of town.... fatlad
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10:19am Sat 7 May 11

rolivan says...

The building of the Universities has bred a generation of loonies living in and around Brighton.Lets wait and see what these University educated people bring to the area.Get rid of all the Drugs and Alcohol abuse out of the city and You might be on a winner.
The building of the Universities has bred a generation of loonies living in and around Brighton.Lets wait and see what these University educated people bring to the area.Get rid of all the Drugs and Alcohol abuse out of the city and You might be on a winner. rolivan
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10:44am Sat 7 May 11

JohnGammon says...

Just wanted to point out that the British like other governments spend taxpayers' money on UFO research, just in case. We'd be rightly aggrieved if they didn't.
Just wanted to point out that the British like other governments spend taxpayers' money on UFO research, just in case. We'd be rightly aggrieved if they didn't. JohnGammon
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11:00am Sat 7 May 11

TheInsider says...

The Govt's UFO spend is part of the MoD and the centre used to be based at RAF Northolt in Middlesex, not far from Heathrow.
UFO to the Govt and the military is just that: an Unidentified Flying Object in UK airspace, possibly military.
It does not mean the British Govt spends money on researching space aliens.
The Govt's UFO spend is part of the MoD and the centre used to be based at RAF Northolt in Middlesex, not far from Heathrow. UFO to the Govt and the military is just that: an Unidentified Flying Object in UK airspace, possibly military. It does not mean the British Govt spends money on researching space aliens. TheInsider
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11:19am Sat 7 May 11

Greenlover says...

well done super green knew weed win easy cause were the best now to boot out condem & put caroline lucas in charge of the country come on u greens
well done super green knew weed win easy cause were the best now to boot out condem & put caroline lucas in charge of the country come on u greens Greenlover
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11:21am Sat 7 May 11

NickBrt says...

Mary Mears says 'we'll be back'. Maybe, Mary, but without YOU as Leader!!
Mary Mears says 'we'll be back'. Maybe, Mary, but without YOU as Leader!! NickBrt
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11:25am Sat 7 May 11

qm says...

This cannot be revealed in print due to decency laws but is worse than a few choice four letter words the use of which in public can have you arrested . . .
This cannot be revealed in print due to decency laws but is worse than a few choice four letter words the use of which in public can have you arrested . . . qm
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11:47am Sat 7 May 11

goldbury says...

I am absolutely gutted & amazed that so many voters have either been taken in by the "Only Alternative" gospel of "the greens", or have chosen to punish Westminster by voting on national rather than local issues. I hope they will be happy to dig deep into their pockets for more, mostly un-used, bike lanes, higher parking charges & more unjustifiable restrictions on parking in wholly residential areas as the war on motorists intensifies. I also hope they realize, that for the next four years, we will all be subject to a regime that will be mostly focused on a "green" agenda that will have little to do with the well-being and aspirations of B & H residents & more to do with the supposed saving of the planet for the next generation, who, incidentally, their over-taxed & over-regulated parents probably won't have the money to care for properly anyway after paying for the pet schemes of these well-meaning but blinkered fools. I also have little doubt that B&H will soon become known as a haven for all & sundry squealing about their human rights & demanding to be paid for out of the public purse. Inevitably, council Tax will rise, as the greens, probably in concert with the loony left, will refuse to face up to the financial realities and make the necessary cuts in staffing or changes to working practices in the public sector. Thank heavens they don't have an overall majority & I only hope that the more sensible councillors of all persuasions will collaborate to block most of their madcap plans; If not, Last One Out Shut The Door !!!! Lastly, my commiserations to those hard-working & competent councillors swept away in this ill-thought out act of revenge on their national counterparts.
I am absolutely gutted & amazed that so many voters have either been taken in by the "Only Alternative" gospel of "the greens", or have chosen to punish Westminster by voting on national rather than local issues. I hope they will be happy to dig deep into their pockets for more, mostly un-used, bike lanes, higher parking charges & more unjustifiable restrictions on parking in wholly residential areas as the war on motorists intensifies. I also hope they realize, that for the next four years, we will all be subject to a regime that will be mostly focused on a "green" agenda that will have little to do with the well-being and aspirations of B & H residents & more to do with the supposed saving of the planet for the next generation, who, incidentally, their over-taxed & over-regulated parents probably won't have the money to care for properly anyway after paying for the pet schemes of these well-meaning but blinkered fools. I also have little doubt that B&H will soon become known as a haven for all & sundry squealing about their human rights & demanding to be paid for out of the public purse. Inevitably, council Tax will rise, as the greens, probably in concert with the loony left, will refuse to face up to the financial realities and make the necessary cuts in staffing or changes to working practices in the public sector. Thank heavens they don't have an overall majority & I only hope that the more sensible councillors of all persuasions will collaborate to block most of their madcap plans; If not, Last One Out Shut The Door !!!! Lastly, my commiserations to those hard-working & competent councillors swept away in this ill-thought out act of revenge on their national counterparts. goldbury
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11:53am Sat 7 May 11

Lofts says...

I used to live and work in Brighton from the mid 1960's. I returned recently and the visit nearly broke my heart, the place seems so run down. Western Road, London Road have lost most of their previous attractions. Jimmy Street seems not quite as bad. I am left wondering if it matters who is in charge of the council, for in my opinion collectively they have all presided over a marked decline.
I used to live and work in Brighton from the mid 1960's. I returned recently and the visit nearly broke my heart, the place seems so run down. Western Road, London Road have lost most of their previous attractions. Jimmy Street seems not quite as bad. I am left wondering if it matters who is in charge of the council, for in my opinion collectively they have all presided over a marked decline. Lofts
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12:26pm Sat 7 May 11

Magnatron2010 says...

I cannot understand why the Greens (particularly Caroline Lucas, a member of the No Borders pro-immigration group) are so obsessed with mass-immigration. Where will the homes be built to accommodate these migrants? How will the extra electricity be generated to power them? Where will the extra jobs and school places come from? I expect a flood of Green's crying 'racism' about this question, but refuse to give answers to the above
I cannot understand why the Greens (particularly Caroline Lucas, a member of the No Borders pro-immigration group) are so obsessed with mass-immigration. Where will the homes be built to accommodate these migrants? How will the extra electricity be generated to power them? Where will the extra jobs and school places come from? I expect a flood of Green's crying 'racism' about this question, but refuse to give answers to the above Magnatron2010
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12:37pm Sat 7 May 11

Rose Watson says...

Magnatron2010 wrote:
I cannot understand why the Greens (particularly Caroline Lucas, a member of the No Borders pro-immigration group) are so obsessed with mass-immigration. Where will the homes be built to accommodate these migrants? How will the extra electricity be generated to power them? Where will the extra jobs and school places come from? I expect a flood of Green's crying 'racism' about this question, but refuse to give answers to the above
Looking at the number of people on this forum who've threatened to leave Brighton I don't think it will be a problem.
[quote][p][bold]Magnatron2010[/bold] wrote: I cannot understand why the Greens (particularly Caroline Lucas, a member of the No Borders pro-immigration group) are so obsessed with mass-immigration. Where will the homes be built to accommodate these migrants? How will the extra electricity be generated to power them? Where will the extra jobs and school places come from? I expect a flood of Green's crying 'racism' about this question, but refuse to give answers to the above[/p][/quote]Looking at the number of people on this forum who've threatened to leave Brighton I don't think it will be a problem. Rose Watson
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1:02pm Sat 7 May 11

sharpley says...

I have to say it's really made my day to see the reaction of the angry right wing keyboard warriors who inhabit the Argus comments. Strangely, the same people who usually comment on story after story claiming to speak for the people of Brighton and Hove are somewhat quieter on that point now their Daily Mail politics have been comprehensively rejected in, you know, an actual election...
I have to say it's really made my day to see the reaction of the angry right wing keyboard warriors who inhabit the Argus comments. Strangely, the same people who usually comment on story after story claiming to speak for the people of Brighton and Hove are somewhat quieter on that point now their Daily Mail politics have been comprehensively rejected in, you know, an actual election... sharpley
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1:12pm Sat 7 May 11

Rose Watson says...

sharpley wrote:
I have to say it's really made my day to see the reaction of the angry right wing keyboard warriors who inhabit the Argus comments. Strangely, the same people who usually comment on story after story claiming to speak for the people of Brighton and Hove are somewhat quieter on that point now their Daily Mail politics have been comprehensively rejected in, you know, an actual election...
Well put!

Let's hope that we start to see more Green Candidates standing in other areas.
[quote][p][bold]sharpley[/bold] wrote: I have to say it's really made my day to see the reaction of the angry right wing keyboard warriors who inhabit the Argus comments. Strangely, the same people who usually comment on story after story claiming to speak for the people of Brighton and Hove are somewhat quieter on that point now their Daily Mail politics have been comprehensively rejected in, you know, an actual election...[/p][/quote]Well put! Let's hope that we start to see more Green Candidates standing in other areas. Rose Watson
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1:34pm Sat 7 May 11

tom servo says...

Greenlover wrote:
well done super green knew weed win easy cause were the best now to boot out condem & put caroline lucas in charge of the country come on u greens
Are all Green lovers illiterate? or is it just you?
[quote][p][bold]Greenlover[/bold] wrote: well done super green knew weed win easy cause were the best now to boot out condem & put caroline lucas in charge of the country come on u greens[/p][/quote]Are all Green lovers illiterate? or is it just you? tom servo
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1:43pm Sat 7 May 11

Rose Watson says...

tom servo wrote:
Greenlover wrote:
well done super green knew weed win easy cause were the best now to boot out condem & put caroline lucas in charge of the country come on u greens
Are all Green lovers illiterate? or is it just you?
Nothing like a personal insult to show that person has nothing better to say.
[quote][p][bold]tom servo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Greenlover[/bold] wrote: well done super green knew weed win easy cause were the best now to boot out condem & put caroline lucas in charge of the country come on u greens[/p][/quote]Are all Green lovers illiterate? or is it just you?[/p][/quote]Nothing like a personal insult to show that person has nothing better to say. Rose Watson
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1:43pm Sat 7 May 11

Magnatron2010 says...

Rose Watson wrote:
Magnatron2010 wrote:
I cannot understand why the Greens (particularly Caroline Lucas, a member of the No Borders pro-immigration group) are so obsessed with mass-immigration. Where will the homes be built to accommodate these migrants? How will the extra electricity be generated to power them? Where will the extra jobs and school places come from? I expect a flood of Green's crying 'racism' about this question, but refuse to give answers to the above
Looking at the number of people on this forum who've threatened to leave Brighton I don't think it will be a problem.
Another Green who won't answer my question; just how is mass-immigration in anyway Green or environmentally-frie
ndly?
[quote][p][bold]Rose Watson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Magnatron2010[/bold] wrote: I cannot understand why the Greens (particularly Caroline Lucas, a member of the No Borders pro-immigration group) are so obsessed with mass-immigration. Where will the homes be built to accommodate these migrants? How will the extra electricity be generated to power them? Where will the extra jobs and school places come from? I expect a flood of Green's crying 'racism' about this question, but refuse to give answers to the above[/p][/quote]Looking at the number of people on this forum who've threatened to leave Brighton I don't think it will be a problem.[/p][/quote]Another Green who won't answer my question; just how is mass-immigration in anyway Green or environmentally-frie ndly? Magnatron2010
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1:50pm Sat 7 May 11

Dr Gaylord Kalejaiye says...

freinds my english is a bit lousy becuause i am born in nigeria so please be generous to me! i like green party and what they say, but what is this i read about the ufo center in brighton that will be built, is this a silly story? my feelings are, as usual, that there may be ufo in space, but do we have the money to spend on this? many peoples are hungry and unhappy, and we must help homeless and ill peoples in uk before money is spent on ufo. is this a true story about this ufo center? thank you every body
freinds my english is a bit lousy becuause i am born in nigeria so please be generous to me! i like green party and what they say, but what is this i read about the ufo center in brighton that will be built, is this a silly story? my feelings are, as usual, that there may be ufo in space, but do we have the money to spend on this? many peoples are hungry and unhappy, and we must help homeless and ill peoples in uk before money is spent on ufo. is this a true story about this ufo center? thank you every body Dr Gaylord Kalejaiye
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2:05pm Sat 7 May 11

Rose Watson says...

Magnatron2010 wrote:
Rose Watson wrote:
Magnatron2010 wrote:
I cannot understand why the Greens (particularly Caroline Lucas, a member of the No Borders pro-immigration group) are so obsessed with mass-immigration. Where will the homes be built to accommodate these migrants? How will the extra electricity be generated to power them? Where will the extra jobs and school places come from? I expect a flood of Green's crying 'racism' about this question, but refuse to give answers to the above
Looking at the number of people on this forum who've threatened to leave Brighton I don't think it will be a problem.
Another Green who won't answer my question; just how is mass-immigration in anyway Green or environmentally-frie

ndly?
I thought I had answered your question. A number of people on here had said they'll leave Brighton so their homes will be available for new people coming in.

But to answer your new question immigrants don't just materialise on the planet when they come to the UK and suddenly start consuming resources so don't quite see the point of the question.

Also the Greens are sometimes wrongly criticised for not having policies outside the Green remit. You seem to criticise Caroline Lucas for having apparent views outside of a strictly Green remit.

Have you had any luck finding those responsible for stealing your underwear and violating your chickens?
[quote][p][bold]Magnatron2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rose Watson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Magnatron2010[/bold] wrote: I cannot understand why the Greens (particularly Caroline Lucas, a member of the No Borders pro-immigration group) are so obsessed with mass-immigration. Where will the homes be built to accommodate these migrants? How will the extra electricity be generated to power them? Where will the extra jobs and school places come from? I expect a flood of Green's crying 'racism' about this question, but refuse to give answers to the above[/p][/quote]Looking at the number of people on this forum who've threatened to leave Brighton I don't think it will be a problem.[/p][/quote]Another Green who won't answer my question; just how is mass-immigration in anyway Green or environmentally-frie ndly?[/p][/quote]I thought I had answered your question. A number of people on here had said they'll leave Brighton so their homes will be available for new people coming in. But to answer your new question immigrants don't just materialise on the planet when they come to the UK and suddenly start consuming resources so don't quite see the point of the question. Also the Greens are sometimes wrongly criticised for not having policies outside the Green remit. You seem to criticise Caroline Lucas for having apparent views outside of a strictly Green remit. Have you had any luck finding those responsible for stealing your underwear and violating your chickens? Rose Watson
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2:13pm Sat 7 May 11

Dr Gaylord Kalejaiye says...

when i heard about green party and the things that they like, it give me a lot of force to decide to like them, even though i can not vote in uk. in nigeria there is big problem with petroleum thief who make things bad for people, so i think that power by wind is good thing. i want to see more to be done for poor people, sick people and people with no home to go to and no food to eats. but still i have a concern about ufo, is there to be a place in brighton to study such a thing? this must be a silly story, to be sure
when i heard about green party and the things that they like, it give me a lot of force to decide to like them, even though i can not vote in uk. in nigeria there is big problem with petroleum thief who make things bad for people, so i think that power by wind is good thing. i want to see more to be done for poor people, sick people and people with no home to go to and no food to eats. but still i have a concern about ufo, is there to be a place in brighton to study such a thing? this must be a silly story, to be sure Dr Gaylord Kalejaiye
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2:21pm Sat 7 May 11

Valerie Paynter says...

I get the feeling a lot of people are setting a higher bar for the Greens than for other political parties.

I take that as meaning there is wide acceptance that the Greens seek a higher standard of politics than their rivals, people can see it and will roast them alive at the next election if they fail to deliver their own superior political standards.

Bear in mind Council Officers will limit a lot of their ambitions and the level of council tax increase is subject to capping.

Expect changes of emphasis more than demolish and rebuild changes. I pray for wisdom in achieving more housing. What is needed is family housing that excludes colonisation by students. And not in the form of battery cages in tower blocks on the seafront either.
I get the feeling a lot of people are setting a higher bar for the Greens than for other political parties. I take that as meaning there is wide acceptance that the Greens seek a higher standard of politics than their rivals, people can see it and will roast them alive at the next election if they fail to deliver their own superior political standards. Bear in mind Council Officers will limit a lot of their ambitions and the level of council tax increase is subject to capping. Expect changes of emphasis more than demolish and rebuild changes. I pray for wisdom in achieving more housing. What is needed is family housing that excludes colonisation by students. And not in the form of battery cages in tower blocks on the seafront either. Valerie Paynter
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2:30pm Sat 7 May 11

Granny says...

OMG! Now we are really for it. I never realised how many idiots live in the city. Let us hope the new coucillors perform better than Caroline Lucas!!!! All she seems to be interested in is immigration Let us hope the new local greens will have their priorities on the city and its residents. So glad the member of the M***s family has been brought down a peg or two.
OMG! Now we are really for it. I never realised how many idiots live in the city. Let us hope the new coucillors perform better than Caroline Lucas!!!! All she seems to be interested in is immigration Let us hope the new local greens will have their priorities on the city and its residents. So glad the member of the M***s family has been brought down a peg or two. Granny
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2:37pm Sat 7 May 11

Dream Power says...

Having been involved in the Greens in the late 1990s, I know they are a well-oiled machine - but I became disillusioned by how vote-hungry they became, while overriding the concerns of many residents - including many from the wider green movement. On this occasion, they have not been thoughtful in targeting wards to remove bad councillors, but taken out many who helped us in the past with the Allies for Democracy campaign against an elected mayor. Why remove Paul Elgood and Kevin Allen, to what gain? The green machine is ruthless, but will run into the rocks eventually.
Having been involved in the Greens in the late 1990s, I know they are a well-oiled machine - but I became disillusioned by how vote-hungry they became, while overriding the concerns of many residents - including many from the wider green movement. On this occasion, they have not been thoughtful in targeting wards to remove bad councillors, but taken out many who helped us in the past with the Allies for Democracy campaign against an elected mayor. Why remove Paul Elgood and Kevin Allen, to what gain? The green machine is ruthless, but will run into the rocks eventually. Dream Power
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2:38pm Sat 7 May 11

Richard M says...

You have to laugh. Most of this Greenwash is about externalising Brighton's pollution elsewhere. Brighton's prosperity rests largely on having a fast road to London, a bypass and an international airport 20 miles up the road. The rubbish is sent to East Sussex to landfill and incineration, while the electricity is generated at a nuclear power station along the coast at Dungeness.

So lets see windmills every 500 metres along Brighton seafront, 100% waste disposal within the boundaries of Brighton and Hove and turf over both the A27 bypass and the A23 south of Pease Pottage and then review how popular Green policies are then
You have to laugh. Most of this Greenwash is about externalising Brighton's pollution elsewhere. Brighton's prosperity rests largely on having a fast road to London, a bypass and an international airport 20 miles up the road. The rubbish is sent to East Sussex to landfill and incineration, while the electricity is generated at a nuclear power station along the coast at Dungeness. So lets see windmills every 500 metres along Brighton seafront, 100% waste disposal within the boundaries of Brighton and Hove and turf over both the A27 bypass and the A23 south of Pease Pottage and then review how popular Green policies are then Richard M
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2:38pm Sat 7 May 11

Magnatron2010 says...

Rose Watson wrote:
Magnatron2010 wrote:
Rose Watson wrote:
Magnatron2010 wrote:
I cannot understand why the Greens (particularly Caroline Lucas, a member of the No Borders pro-immigration group) are so obsessed with mass-immigration. Where will the homes be built to accommodate these migrants? How will the extra electricity be generated to power them? Where will the extra jobs and school places come from? I expect a flood of Green's crying 'racism' about this question, but refuse to give answers to the above
Looking at the number of people on this forum who've threatened to leave Brighton I don't think it will be a problem.
Another Green who won't answer my question; just how is mass-immigration in anyway Green or environmentally-frie


ndly?
I thought I had answered your question. A number of people on here had said they'll leave Brighton so their homes will be available for new people coming in.

But to answer your new question immigrants don't just materialise on the planet when they come to the UK and suddenly start consuming resources so don't quite see the point of the question.

Also the Greens are sometimes wrongly criticised for not having policies outside the Green remit. You seem to criticise Caroline Lucas for having apparent views outside of a strictly Green remit.

Have you had any luck finding those responsible for stealing your underwear and violating your chickens?
I'm concerned that you seem slightly obsessed about the fact that people are trespassing in my garden and a) stealing my knickers and b) violating my chickens, but thankyou for your show of concern. To satisfy your curiosity, my husband (who is an ex-military man) has implemented certain 'defensive measures' in our garden that will deliver a small piece of Hell to any man who trespasses on our property again. Finally, the men who steal my underwear and interfere with my chickens are invariably foreigners, a problem that will only increase when the Greens and Caroline 'mass-immigration is great' Lucas gets their way
[quote][p][bold]Rose Watson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Magnatron2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rose Watson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Magnatron2010[/bold] wrote: I cannot understand why the Greens (particularly Caroline Lucas, a member of the No Borders pro-immigration group) are so obsessed with mass-immigration. Where will the homes be built to accommodate these migrants? How will the extra electricity be generated to power them? Where will the extra jobs and school places come from? I expect a flood of Green's crying 'racism' about this question, but refuse to give answers to the above[/p][/quote]Looking at the number of people on this forum who've threatened to leave Brighton I don't think it will be a problem.[/p][/quote]Another Green who won't answer my question; just how is mass-immigration in anyway Green or environmentally-frie ndly?[/p][/quote]I thought I had answered your question. A number of people on here had said they'll leave Brighton so their homes will be available for new people coming in. But to answer your new question immigrants don't just materialise on the planet when they come to the UK and suddenly start consuming resources so don't quite see the point of the question. Also the Greens are sometimes wrongly criticised for not having policies outside the Green remit. You seem to criticise Caroline Lucas for having apparent views outside of a strictly Green remit. Have you had any luck finding those responsible for stealing your underwear and violating your chickens?[/p][/quote]I'm concerned that you seem slightly obsessed about the fact that people are trespassing in my garden and a) stealing my knickers and b) violating my chickens, but thankyou for your show of concern. To satisfy your curiosity, my husband (who is an ex-military man) has implemented certain 'defensive measures' in our garden that will deliver a small piece of Hell to any man who trespasses on our property again. Finally, the men who steal my underwear and interfere with my chickens are invariably foreigners, a problem that will only increase when the Greens and Caroline 'mass-immigration is great' Lucas gets their way Magnatron2010
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3:02pm Sat 7 May 11

TheInsider says...

Valerie Paynter I wish you would stand for election.
As for Rose in Horsham, people in that wealthy town can afford to vote Green.
No wonder you live there yet choose to wish more Greens upon Brighton and Hove.
Valerie Paynter I wish you would stand for election. As for Rose in Horsham, people in that wealthy town can afford to vote Green. No wonder you live there yet choose to wish more Greens upon Brighton and Hove. TheInsider
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7:21pm Sat 7 May 11

Rose Watson says...

Magnatron2010 wrote:
Rose Watson wrote:
Magnatron2010 wrote:
Rose Watson wrote:
Magnatron2010 wrote:
I cannot understand why the Greens (particularly Caroline Lucas, a member of the No Borders pro-immigration group) are so obsessed with mass-immigration. Where will the homes be built to accommodate these migrants? How will the extra electricity be generated to power them? Where will the extra jobs and school places come from? I expect a flood of Green's crying 'racism' about this question, but refuse to give answers to the above
Looking at the number of people on this forum who've threatened to leave Brighton I don't think it will be a problem.
Another Green who won't answer my question; just how is mass-immigration in anyway Green or environmentally-frie



ndly?
I thought I had answered your question. A number of people on here had said they'll leave Brighton so their homes will be available for new people coming in.

But to answer your new question immigrants don't just materialise on the planet when they come to the UK and suddenly start consuming resources so don't quite see the point of the question.

Also the Greens are sometimes wrongly criticised for not having policies outside the Green remit. You seem to criticise Caroline Lucas for having apparent views outside of a strictly Green remit.

Have you had any luck finding those responsible for stealing your underwear and violating your chickens?
I'm concerned that you seem slightly obsessed about the fact that people are trespassing in my garden and a) stealing my knickers and b) violating my chickens, but thankyou for your show of concern. To satisfy your curiosity, my husband (who is an ex-military man) has implemented certain 'defensive measures' in our garden that will deliver a small piece of Hell to any man who trespasses on our property again. Finally, the men who steal my underwear and interfere with my chickens are invariably foreigners, a problem that will only increase when the Greens and Caroline 'mass-immigration is great' Lucas gets their way
Oh no please don't worry yourself. I'm just confirming your state of mind and, as it turns out, xenophobic credentials.
[quote][p][bold]Magnatron2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rose Watson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Magnatron2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rose Watson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Magnatron2010[/bold] wrote: I cannot understand why the Greens (particularly Caroline Lucas, a member of the No Borders pro-immigration group) are so obsessed with mass-immigration. Where will the homes be built to accommodate these migrants? How will the extra electricity be generated to power them? Where will the extra jobs and school places come from? I expect a flood of Green's crying 'racism' about this question, but refuse to give answers to the above[/p][/quote]Looking at the number of people on this forum who've threatened to leave Brighton I don't think it will be a problem.[/p][/quote]Another Green who won't answer my question; just how is mass-immigration in anyway Green or environmentally-frie ndly?[/p][/quote]I thought I had answered your question. A number of people on here had said they'll leave Brighton so their homes will be available for new people coming in. But to answer your new question immigrants don't just materialise on the planet when they come to the UK and suddenly start consuming resources so don't quite see the point of the question. Also the Greens are sometimes wrongly criticised for not having policies outside the Green remit. You seem to criticise Caroline Lucas for having apparent views outside of a strictly Green remit. Have you had any luck finding those responsible for stealing your underwear and violating your chickens?[/p][/quote]I'm concerned that you seem slightly obsessed about the fact that people are trespassing in my garden and a) stealing my knickers and b) violating my chickens, but thankyou for your show of concern. To satisfy your curiosity, my husband (who is an ex-military man) has implemented certain 'defensive measures' in our garden that will deliver a small piece of Hell to any man who trespasses on our property again. Finally, the men who steal my underwear and interfere with my chickens are invariably foreigners, a problem that will only increase when the Greens and Caroline 'mass-immigration is great' Lucas gets their way[/p][/quote]Oh no please don't worry yourself. I'm just confirming your state of mind and, as it turns out, xenophobic credentials. Rose Watson
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9:22pm Sat 7 May 11

lcfmonkey says...

It's incredible (in a depressing way) how horribly selfish so many people posting here are. Their anti-Green rhetoric consist entirely of policies that will make our town a better place for many but will impinge on their own self-centred world: congestion charge? less traffic in town, don't like it, get the bus. Cycle lanes? Safer transport, don't like it, try being less impatient. 20mph speed limit? Less road deaths, don't like it, have a conversation with a bereaved parent. And so on!
I have a three month old daughter and am proud she will be growing up in Brighton under a Green council.
It's incredible (in a depressing way) how horribly selfish so many people posting here are. Their anti-Green rhetoric consist entirely of policies that will make our town a better place for many but will impinge on their own self-centred world: congestion charge? less traffic in town, don't like it, get the bus. Cycle lanes? Safer transport, don't like it, try being less impatient. 20mph speed limit? Less road deaths, don't like it, have a conversation with a bereaved parent. And so on! I have a three month old daughter and am proud she will be growing up in Brighton under a Green council. lcfmonkey
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10:49pm Sat 7 May 11

southseasteve says...

jimbo1981 wrote:
The bitterness is incredible, even for the normal Argus commenters. Students? What, so many students in Goldsmid, that they have managed to swing a vote in the favour of the Greens? I have no idea of the percentage of students living in Goldsmid, or many of the other areas that the Greens won in, but there are nowhere near enough (except in the area around Lewes Road) to swing a vote in any direction. There were about 75,000 votes for Greens across B&H. You think 75,000 students voted? I doubt even 7500 students did. Sore, sore losers. It's sad to see grown adults so desperate to explain away popular opinion so as to blame it on those nasty students, (all 150,000 based on a 50% turnout). It's sad. Very sad.
75000 voted for the Greens. Really? Utter tosh. Seeing as the total population of B&H including children is 250000 and 30000 students, with a 40%ish turnout I think you'll find the number that voted green is rather less!
[quote][p][bold]jimbo1981[/bold] wrote: The bitterness is incredible, even for the normal Argus commenters. Students? What, so many students in Goldsmid, that they have managed to swing a vote in the favour of the Greens? I have no idea of the percentage of students living in Goldsmid, or many of the other areas that the Greens won in, but there are nowhere near enough (except in the area around Lewes Road) to swing a vote in any direction. There were about 75,000 votes for Greens across B&H. You think 75,000 students voted? I doubt even 7500 students did. Sore, sore losers. It's sad to see grown adults so desperate to explain away popular opinion so as to blame it on those nasty students, (all 150,000 based on a 50% turnout). It's sad. Very sad.[/p][/quote]75000 voted for the Greens. Really? Utter tosh. Seeing as the total population of B&H including children is 250000 and 30000 students, with a 40%ish turnout I think you'll find the number that voted green is rather less! southseasteve
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11:05pm Sat 7 May 11

TheInsider says...

lcfmonkey. Today I walked along Viaduct Road which is a key route into the city, the Lewes Road and the Upper Lewes Road and there were many Vote Green posters in windows.
It was ironic that almost everyone of these properties had filth piled up in front gardens and on pavements outside so people had to walk around it, split, filthy refuse bags and recycling piled up and in incorrect boxes so it wont get collected. Broken furniture and even dog's mess outside front doors.
The Argus and the Green party should get out of the nice wards and take a reality check. Will the Green council be fining their own voters? Will they deal with the students in my community who vote for them?
No they wont. They will leave us in filth while you get to live in leafy Tory Patcham, although you could be getting the park and ride the Greens once wanted on the allotments there.
Maybe you could take a nice walk around the city lcfmonkey.
The students homes in my area are the same. They have Vote Green posters on their windows but they don't recycle. They don't even put their rubbish in the wheelie bin let alone on the correct day. The council even spent cash putting metal signs on lamp posts to tell them the correct day and they still don't do it. The foxes rip the bags open and those of us who have pride in our homes and gardens have to literally shovel up their cra* and put it in our own bins. If you don't believe me come and take a walk in this area. I will be sending some photos to the counci and Private Eye to show the irony of this Green city and its Green voters.
Many of the student homes in my street with Vote Green posters in the windows are the same properties where my neighbours and I have called the police, the council's environmental health and the planning department repeatedly because of their anti-social, noisy and filthy behaviour, keeping kids up on a school night as they drunkenly gather in homes screaming and shouting after a night out. These young people don't give a **** about us local people, or making this city a better place, they just voted Green because it sounds nice.
Now if you don't believe me please take a walk out of leafy Tory Patcham and you might change your mind about how Green your city is.
I am more than happy to take you on a tour and introduce you to some of my neighbours who will talk to you about the reality of living in the town and not in leafy Tory Patcham.
lcfmonkey. Today I walked along Viaduct Road which is a key route into the city, the Lewes Road and the Upper Lewes Road and there were many Vote Green posters in windows. It was ironic that almost everyone of these properties had filth piled up in front gardens and on pavements outside so people had to walk around it, split, filthy refuse bags and recycling piled up and in incorrect boxes so it wont get collected. Broken furniture and even dog's mess outside front doors. The Argus and the Green party should get out of the nice wards and take a reality check. Will the Green council be fining their own voters? Will they deal with the students in my community who vote for them? No they wont. They will leave us in filth while you get to live in leafy Tory Patcham, although you could be getting the park and ride the Greens once wanted on the allotments there. Maybe you could take a nice walk around the city lcfmonkey. The students homes in my area are the same. They have Vote Green posters on their windows but they don't recycle. They don't even put their rubbish in the wheelie bin let alone on the correct day. The council even spent cash putting metal signs on lamp posts to tell them the correct day and they still don't do it. The foxes rip the bags open and those of us who have pride in our homes and gardens have to literally shovel up their cra* and put it in our own bins. If you don't believe me come and take a walk in this area. I will be sending some photos to the counci and Private Eye to show the irony of this Green city and its Green voters. Many of the student homes in my street with Vote Green posters in the windows are the same properties where my neighbours and I have called the police, the council's environmental health and the planning department repeatedly because of their anti-social, noisy and filthy behaviour, keeping kids up on a school night as they drunkenly gather in homes screaming and shouting after a night out. These young people don't give a **** about us local people, or making this city a better place, they just voted Green because it sounds nice. Now if you don't believe me please take a walk out of leafy Tory Patcham and you might change your mind about how Green your city is. I am more than happy to take you on a tour and introduce you to some of my neighbours who will talk to you about the reality of living in the town and not in leafy Tory Patcham. TheInsider
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7:22am Sun 8 May 11

Plantpot says...

TheInsider wrote:
lcfmonkey. Today I walked along Viaduct Road which is a key route into the city, the Lewes Road and the Upper Lewes Road and there were many Vote Green posters in windows.
It was ironic that almost everyone of these properties had filth piled up in front gardens and on pavements outside so people had to walk around it, split, filthy refuse bags and recycling piled up and in incorrect boxes so it wont get collected. Broken furniture and even dog's mess outside front doors.
The Argus and the Green party should get out of the nice wards and take a reality check. Will the Green council be fining their own voters? Will they deal with the students in my community who vote for them?
No they wont. They will leave us in filth while you get to live in leafy Tory Patcham, although you could be getting the park and ride the Greens once wanted on the allotments there.
Maybe you could take a nice walk around the city lcfmonkey.
The students homes in my area are the same. They have Vote Green posters on their windows but they don't recycle. They don't even put their rubbish in the wheelie bin let alone on the correct day. The council even spent cash putting metal signs on lamp posts to tell them the correct day and they still don't do it. The foxes rip the bags open and those of us who have pride in our homes and gardens have to literally shovel up their cra* and put it in our own bins. If you don't believe me come and take a walk in this area. I will be sending some photos to the counci and Private Eye to show the irony of this Green city and its Green voters.
Many of the student homes in my street with Vote Green posters in the windows are the same properties where my neighbours and I have called the police, the council's environmental health and the planning department repeatedly because of their anti-social, noisy and filthy behaviour, keeping kids up on a school night as they drunkenly gather in homes screaming and shouting after a night out. These young people don't give a **** about us local people, or making this city a better place, they just voted Green because it sounds nice.
Now if you don't believe me please take a walk out of leafy Tory Patcham and you might change your mind about how Green your city is.
I am more than happy to take you on a tour and introduce you to some of my neighbours who will talk to you about the reality of living in the town and not in leafy Tory Patcham.
I love your posts.

Private Eye has called B&H "Skidrow-on-Sea" for many years now. You'll be preaching to the converted when you send the pics. Some of my Green voting neighbours have the biggest gas guzzlers you can imagine! Voting Green appears to be a lifestyle choice, like veggie food or organic shoes and skinny lattes.

On a more serious note, the briefest of looks at the Green agenda will show a series of hugely expensive measures. These will be funded by taxing us til our pips squeak. The cost to the tax paying middle classes would be far worse than any cuts imposed by the ConDems or even Labour. The wealthiest may be able to afford them - and the beneficiaries won't have to pay for them.

In some ways, I can only applaud their cynicism in buying votes in such a way. It makes the Tories look like choirboys. The Greens have found an electorate who have nothing to lose - lierally - by voting for them.
[quote][p][bold]TheInsider[/bold] wrote: lcfmonkey. Today I walked along Viaduct Road which is a key route into the city, the Lewes Road and the Upper Lewes Road and there were many Vote Green posters in windows. It was ironic that almost everyone of these properties had filth piled up in front gardens and on pavements outside so people had to walk around it, split, filthy refuse bags and recycling piled up and in incorrect boxes so it wont get collected. Broken furniture and even dog's mess outside front doors. The Argus and the Green party should get out of the nice wards and take a reality check. Will the Green council be fining their own voters? Will they deal with the students in my community who vote for them? No they wont. They will leave us in filth while you get to live in leafy Tory Patcham, although you could be getting the park and ride the Greens once wanted on the allotments there. Maybe you could take a nice walk around the city lcfmonkey. The students homes in my area are the same. They have Vote Green posters on their windows but they don't recycle. They don't even put their rubbish in the wheelie bin let alone on the correct day. The council even spent cash putting metal signs on lamp posts to tell them the correct day and they still don't do it. The foxes rip the bags open and those of us who have pride in our homes and gardens have to literally shovel up their cra* and put it in our own bins. If you don't believe me come and take a walk in this area. I will be sending some photos to the counci and Private Eye to show the irony of this Green city and its Green voters. Many of the student homes in my street with Vote Green posters in the windows are the same properties where my neighbours and I have called the police, the council's environmental health and the planning department repeatedly because of their anti-social, noisy and filthy behaviour, keeping kids up on a school night as they drunkenly gather in homes screaming and shouting after a night out. These young people don't give a **** about us local people, or making this city a better place, they just voted Green because it sounds nice. Now if you don't believe me please take a walk out of leafy Tory Patcham and you might change your mind about how Green your city is. I am more than happy to take you on a tour and introduce you to some of my neighbours who will talk to you about the reality of living in the town and not in leafy Tory Patcham.[/p][/quote]I love your posts. Private Eye has called B&H "Skidrow-on-Sea" for many years now. You'll be preaching to the converted when you send the pics. Some of my Green voting neighbours have the biggest gas guzzlers you can imagine! Voting Green appears to be a lifestyle choice, like veggie food or organic shoes and skinny lattes. On a more serious note, the briefest of looks at the Green agenda will show a series of hugely expensive measures. These will be funded by taxing us til our pips squeak. The cost to the tax paying middle classes would be far worse than any cuts imposed by the ConDems or even Labour. The wealthiest may be able to afford them - and the beneficiaries won't have to pay for them. In some ways, I can only applaud their cynicism in buying votes in such a way. It makes the Tories look like choirboys. The Greens have found an electorate who have nothing to lose - lierally - by voting for them. Plantpot
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8:35am Sun 8 May 11

TheInsider says...

One of my good friends is a Green voter who drives a massive Honda truck. They have no kids, livestock, wheelchair or dogs to transport.
When I asked why she drove such a monster she reminded me it's emissions were very low.
She failed to see that these beasts take up the whole road, are more likely to seriously injure pedestrians if involved in an accident and block views for other vehicles trying to get out of parking spaces and cause problems when overtaking cyclists on the UKs narrow roads. Let's not get started on the raw materials used to create these monsters.
For those of you who want a better future for your kids instead of popping to the garden centre or Middle Farm fir a nice middle class day out why not treat yourself to a tour of the areas I have suggested so you can see how some of the filthy Green voters live in this city and see the negative impact on people who do care and the impression that visitors get.
One of my good friends is a Green voter who drives a massive Honda truck. They have no kids, livestock, wheelchair or dogs to transport. When I asked why she drove such a monster she reminded me it's emissions were very low. She failed to see that these beasts take up the whole road, are more likely to seriously injure pedestrians if involved in an accident and block views for other vehicles trying to get out of parking spaces and cause problems when overtaking cyclists on the UKs narrow roads. Let's not get started on the raw materials used to create these monsters. For those of you who want a better future for your kids instead of popping to the garden centre or Middle Farm fir a nice middle class day out why not treat yourself to a tour of the areas I have suggested so you can see how some of the filthy Green voters live in this city and see the negative impact on people who do care and the impression that visitors get. TheInsider
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8:44am Sun 8 May 11

deanaprior says...

NickBrt wrote:
At least now the M***'s family stronghold on Brighton is over. That can only be good news for us all.
Who are the M*** family?
[quote][p][bold]NickBrt[/bold] wrote: At least now the M***'s family stronghold on Brighton is over. That can only be good news for us all.[/p][/quote]Who are the M*** family? deanaprior
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10:48am Sun 8 May 11

Dr Gaylord Kalejaiye says...

my feelings are as usual is that uk and brighton are the nice place to be. i am from nigeria and i have to leave nigeria because petroleum gang make threats to me and family my father is beaten badly by these people. when we come to uk, british peoples are most friendly and happy and i have many many good friends in brighton. i never wish to leave brighton, it is beautiful place to be and i live the brighton people very very much. god bless you all
my feelings are as usual is that uk and brighton are the nice place to be. i am from nigeria and i have to leave nigeria because petroleum gang make threats to me and family my father is beaten badly by these people. when we come to uk, british peoples are most friendly and happy and i have many many good friends in brighton. i never wish to leave brighton, it is beautiful place to be and i live the brighton people very very much. god bless you all Dr Gaylord Kalejaiye
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2:20pm Sun 8 May 11

Rita Snatch says...

What happened to the comedy duo that pushed their Green Party advertising material through my letterbox; Kitkat & Kitkat?

Did they 'take a break'?
What happened to the comedy duo that pushed their Green Party advertising material through my letterbox; Kitkat & Kitkat? Did they 'take a break'? Rita Snatch
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2:35pm Sun 8 May 11

Granny says...

If the insider ever decides to stand for election, I for one, will certainly vote for them. I don't know where the insider lives but it sounds as though my road is being described in the comment. Perhaps the new Green councillors ( I hope "Green" doesn't mean wet behind the ears) can run classes for students who do not seem to realise that wheelie bins and recycling boxes are meant for their rubbish, most of whic consists of takeaway boxes and booze bottles. Also, the boxes, when empty, are not too heavy to carry into their front gardens instead of leaving them all over the pavement for someone to fall over in the dark.
It will be interesting to see what happens in the city, in the next few months, won't it?
If the insider ever decides to stand for election, I for one, will certainly vote for them. I don't know where the insider lives but it sounds as though my road is being described in the comment. Perhaps the new Green councillors ( I hope "Green" doesn't mean wet behind the ears) can run classes for students who do not seem to realise that wheelie bins and recycling boxes are meant for their rubbish, most of whic consists of takeaway boxes and booze bottles. Also, the boxes, when empty, are not too heavy to carry into their front gardens instead of leaving them all over the pavement for someone to fall over in the dark. It will be interesting to see what happens in the city, in the next few months, won't it? Granny
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4:47pm Sun 8 May 11

Brighton_Toffee says...

Granny wrote:
If the insider ever decides to stand for election, I for one, will certainly vote for them. I don't know where the insider lives but it sounds as though my road is being described in the comment. Perhaps the new Green councillors ( I hope "Green" doesn't mean wet behind the ears) can run classes for students who do not seem to realise that wheelie bins and recycling boxes are meant for their rubbish, most of whic consists of takeaway boxes and booze bottles. Also, the boxes, when empty, are not too heavy to carry into their front gardens instead of leaving them all over the pavement for someone to fall over in the dark. It will be interesting to see what happens in the city, in the next few months, won't it?
Granny: if theInsider ever gets elected, it will be time for me to strike camp and migrate.
That would mean that people who post ill-informed, sensationalist claptrap would finally have been elected to serve.
Just as his/her neighbours' opinions might be regarded as self-serving, so his/her assessments of certain areas of Brighton & Hove are short-sighted
[quote][p][bold]Granny[/bold] wrote: If the insider ever decides to stand for election, I for one, will certainly vote for them. I don't know where the insider lives but it sounds as though my road is being described in the comment. Perhaps the new Green councillors ( I hope "Green" doesn't mean wet behind the ears) can run classes for students who do not seem to realise that wheelie bins and recycling boxes are meant for their rubbish, most of whic consists of takeaway boxes and booze bottles. Also, the boxes, when empty, are not too heavy to carry into their front gardens instead of leaving them all over the pavement for someone to fall over in the dark. It will be interesting to see what happens in the city, in the next few months, won't it?[/p][/quote]Granny: if theInsider ever gets elected, it will be time for me to strike camp and migrate. That would mean that people who post ill-informed, sensationalist claptrap would finally have been elected to serve. Just as his/her neighbours' opinions might be regarded as self-serving, so his/her assessments of certain areas of Brighton & Hove are short-sighted Brighton_Toffee
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5:13pm Sun 8 May 11

brunswick63 says...

Is there anymore news re: Caroline Lucas's desire to establish Brighton as a leading centre for UFO research?
Is there anymore news re: Caroline Lucas's desire to establish Brighton as a leading centre for UFO research? brunswick63
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6:37pm Sun 8 May 11

Rose Watson says...

brunswick63 wrote:
Is there anymore news re: Caroline Lucas's desire to establish Brighton as a leading centre for UFO research?
Maybe if someone could point us to some concrete evidence she ever said this we might find out. Or is it the same old Argus bores making up stuff and trying to convince everyone it's true by repeating it enough times.

But in any case I'm sure our current (Tory) Government probably still looks into this area of research and is spending your money doing so. Why don't you complain to them. See (for example) http://ufos.national
archives.gov.uk/

Now UFO!
[quote][p][bold]brunswick63[/bold] wrote: Is there anymore news re: Caroline Lucas's desire to establish Brighton as a leading centre for UFO research?[/p][/quote]Maybe if someone could point us to some concrete evidence she ever said this we might find out. Or is it the same old Argus bores making up stuff and trying to convince everyone it's true by repeating it enough times. But in any case I'm sure our current (Tory) Government probably still looks into this area of research and is spending your money doing so. Why don't you complain to them. See (for example) http://ufos.national archives.gov.uk/ Now UFO! Rose Watson
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7:41pm Sun 8 May 11

Martha Gunn says...

Have been checking out the UFO stuff. It wasn't a Green manifesto commitment so seems to be more of a personal preoccupation of Brussels Lucas.

Perhaps even more worrying are the persistent rumours this weekend that one of the successful Green candidates is in fact an extra-terrestrial and may not qualify under current legislation to sit as an elected Councillor.

Yet another problem for Ringmaster Barradell to sort out as the clowns take over the circus.
Have been checking out the UFO stuff. It wasn't a Green manifesto commitment so seems to be more of a personal preoccupation of Brussels Lucas. Perhaps even more worrying are the persistent rumours this weekend that one of the successful Green candidates is in fact an extra-terrestrial and may not qualify under current legislation to sit as an elected Councillor. Yet another problem for Ringmaster Barradell to sort out as the clowns take over the circus. Martha Gunn
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8:17pm Sun 8 May 11

Rose Watson says...

Martha Gunn wrote:
Have been checking out the UFO stuff. It wasn't a Green manifesto commitment so seems to be more of a personal preoccupation of Brussels Lucas.

Perhaps even more worrying are the persistent rumours this weekend that one of the successful Green candidates is in fact an extra-terrestrial and may not qualify under current legislation to sit as an elected Councillor.

Yet another problem for Ringmaster Barradell to sort out as the clowns take over the circus.
I'm sure we all look forward to your attempts to bring this news to public attention through endless repetition on various threads on the Argus website.

Meanwhile, in the grown-up world...
[quote][p][bold]Martha Gunn[/bold] wrote: Have been checking out the UFO stuff. It wasn't a Green manifesto commitment so seems to be more of a personal preoccupation of Brussels Lucas. Perhaps even more worrying are the persistent rumours this weekend that one of the successful Green candidates is in fact an extra-terrestrial and may not qualify under current legislation to sit as an elected Councillor. Yet another problem for Ringmaster Barradell to sort out as the clowns take over the circus.[/p][/quote]I'm sure we all look forward to your attempts to bring this news to public attention through endless repetition on various threads on the Argus website. Meanwhile, in the grown-up world... Rose Watson
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9:07pm Sun 8 May 11

HJarrs says...

TheInsider wrote:
HJarrs of course everyone wants a better place to live for future generations. However, you must live in a wealthy part of town if the folk have four cars each. Most of Brighton and Hove isn't like that. When did you last get on a bus? Visit a doctors' surgery in the parts of town where people are in ordinary jobs, have you visited any of the schools in these areas? Preston Park and Hove are not representative of the majority of this city. Not everyone works in the media and heads off to Tuscany for a family holiday - but it's ok because they drive a Prius and pay the airline green tax. Someone once said to me that you have to be well off to vote green. I live in a poorer part of town and most people have one car if that. They walk, use buses and cycle and don't go on holidays abroad if at all, but these are the people with the least impact on the environment who you will socially engineer out of the town by making it more expensive. You will be left with the people who can afford four cars and who purchase and impact on the environment. Come to my area of the town which has been devastated by family homes being bought by these four car owning buy-to-let landlords and filled with students who bring dozens of cars with them and most do not recycle. Come and see the bins spewing over the top every week and the anti-social behaviour. The old furniture thrown onto the street and the sleepless nights our kids have being woken up by this so-called future generation. Brighton and Hove families in my community are being held to ransom by the fluffy academics gaining office in the council who believe that having two universties in the town is worth sacrificing whole communities for. But who cares about our kids in the poor areas? Clearly not you if you think it's ok to make it a more expensive place to live. How will the Greens deal with this?
Ha, ha. I have to laugh. I re-read all the posts and you start off pretty reasonable with the comment about park and ride, but I imagine you now; red in the face foaming at the mouth, steam coming out of your ears!

For the record, I live in a modest part of town, pretty middle of the road, with students next door and across the back, that occassionaly have to be pursuaded to turn the music down. Not disimilar to you (are we neighbours?).
The four cars owned by at least two people each in the street are bangers, I just wanted to make the point that some people are selfish in taking up parking space. Just as well my household doesn't own a car, as there would be nowhere to park it. People owning too many cars is a problem all over town.
I don't often take a bus as I like to walk mostly as pretty much everything is within a couple of miles. I definately don't work in the media! Ha, ha.
I agree that all administrations have so far not made a good fist of the bins, either from confusing collection dates or mess from foxes and seaguls. We shall see if the Greens can do any better (I note that pretty much all houses round my way, green or not, have little problem correctly recycling).

The fact that a lot of ordinary people in the City have bucked the trend to play national politics at local elections and have backed the Greens really gets under you skin doesn't it! Keep em coming!
[quote][p][bold]TheInsider[/bold] wrote: HJarrs of course everyone wants a better place to live for future generations. However, you must live in a wealthy part of town if the folk have four cars each. Most of Brighton and Hove isn't like that. When did you last get on a bus? Visit a doctors' surgery in the parts of town where people are in ordinary jobs, have you visited any of the schools in these areas? Preston Park and Hove are not representative of the majority of this city. Not everyone works in the media and heads off to Tuscany for a family holiday - but it's ok because they drive a Prius and pay the airline green tax. Someone once said to me that you have to be well off to vote green. I live in a poorer part of town and most people have one car if that. They walk, use buses and cycle and don't go on holidays abroad if at all, but these are the people with the least impact on the environment who you will socially engineer out of the town by making it more expensive. You will be left with the people who can afford four cars and who purchase and impact on the environment. Come to my area of the town which has been devastated by family homes being bought by these four car owning buy-to-let landlords and filled with students who bring dozens of cars with them and most do not recycle. Come and see the bins spewing over the top every week and the anti-social behaviour. The old furniture thrown onto the street and the sleepless nights our kids have being woken up by this so-called future generation. Brighton and Hove families in my community are being held to ransom by the fluffy academics gaining office in the council who believe that having two universties in the town is worth sacrificing whole communities for. But who cares about our kids in the poor areas? Clearly not you if you think it's ok to make it a more expensive place to live. How will the Greens deal with this?[/p][/quote]Ha, ha. I have to laugh. I re-read all the posts and you start off pretty reasonable with the comment about park and ride, but I imagine you now; red in the face foaming at the mouth, steam coming out of your ears! For the record, I live in a modest part of town, pretty middle of the road, with students next door and across the back, that occassionaly have to be pursuaded to turn the music down. Not disimilar to you (are we neighbours?). The four cars owned by at least two people each in the street are bangers, I just wanted to make the point that some people are selfish in taking up parking space. Just as well my household doesn't own a car, as there would be nowhere to park it. People owning too many cars is a problem all over town. I don't often take a bus as I like to walk mostly as pretty much everything is within a couple of miles. I definately don't work in the media! Ha, ha. I agree that all administrations have so far not made a good fist of the bins, either from confusing collection dates or mess from foxes and seaguls. We shall see if the Greens can do any better (I note that pretty much all houses round my way, green or not, have little problem correctly recycling). The fact that a lot of ordinary people in the City have bucked the trend to play national politics at local elections and have backed the Greens really gets under you skin doesn't it! Keep em coming! HJarrs
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10:26pm Sun 8 May 11

lcfmonkey says...

The Insider seems to be bemoaning the fact that our town's student population are the sole reason the Greens were elected and that the Greens will be unable to solve the problem of litter, noise and anti-social behaviour generated by them. So absolutely no different to the previous council then! Also I seem to be doing something wrong by voting Green whilst living in "leafy Tory Patcham"! Would it make you happy if I moved to Lewes Road!!
ps I was a student in Brighton, my flatmates and I kept a tidy house, never partied and got on well with our neighbours, go figure!!
The Insider seems to be bemoaning the fact that our town's student population are the sole reason the Greens were elected and that the Greens will be unable to solve the problem of litter, noise and anti-social behaviour generated by them. So absolutely no different to the previous council then! Also I seem to be doing something wrong by voting Green whilst living in "leafy Tory Patcham"! Would it make you happy if I moved to Lewes Road!! ps I was a student in Brighton, my flatmates and I kept a tidy house, never partied and got on well with our neighbours, go figure!! lcfmonkey
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10:38pm Sun 8 May 11

TheInsider says...

HJarrs. I cycle a 50 miles round trip to work each day. I grow enough veg to feed myself each year. I recycle everything and don't buy imported or out of season food or packaged food where possible
My partner and I are very comfortable financially so we could afford to pay more for a cleaner better world and we would be Good Green voters. However, when I vote I have to think about those people who need more social support
And who get penalised by people in power who don't understand what it's like to struggle to keep a family.
However, you openly stated that you were happy if the city became a more expensive place to live because you are a selfish voter who does not care if you socially engineer people out of this city.
Did you look into the candidates an their backgrounds and their work history before you voted or did you blindly vote for a party because it sounded nice.
I am glad you read through my posts as it clearly made you a little red in the face or was it Green in the gills
HJarrs. I cycle a 50 miles round trip to work each day. I grow enough veg to feed myself each year. I recycle everything and don't buy imported or out of season food or packaged food where possible My partner and I are very comfortable financially so we could afford to pay more for a cleaner better world and we would be Good Green voters. However, when I vote I have to think about those people who need more social support And who get penalised by people in power who don't understand what it's like to struggle to keep a family. However, you openly stated that you were happy if the city became a more expensive place to live because you are a selfish voter who does not care if you socially engineer people out of this city. Did you look into the candidates an their backgrounds and their work history before you voted or did you blindly vote for a party because it sounded nice. I am glad you read through my posts as it clearly made you a little red in the face or was it Green in the gills TheInsider
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10:44pm Sun 8 May 11

TheInsider says...

lfcmonkey I am glad you were a good student. Perhaps you can support me in lobbying the greens for some action to manage the student issue and also to get landlords to pay council tax on these properties which could be invested into sustainable transport. Maybe the resurrection of the park and ride at Patcham. Also perhaps you could start a campaign for new mums to
Stop using disposable nappies which are devastating the environment.
We are all in this together now.
lfcmonkey I am glad you were a good student. Perhaps you can support me in lobbying the greens for some action to manage the student issue and also to get landlords to pay council tax on these properties which could be invested into sustainable transport. Maybe the resurrection of the park and ride at Patcham. Also perhaps you could start a campaign for new mums to Stop using disposable nappies which are devastating the environment. We are all in this together now. TheInsider
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11:07pm Sun 8 May 11

lcfmonkey says...

INSIDER. Did you lobby the previous council, if so how did you get on with that? I don't hear you complaining but it seems like a stick you're happy to beat the Greens with. And what's the nonsense about nappies? I don't recall reading that in any manifesto, stop making spurious statements and stick to the facts.
INSIDER. Did you lobby the previous council, if so how did you get on with that? I don't hear you complaining but it seems like a stick you're happy to beat the Greens with. And what's the nonsense about nappies? I don't recall reading that in any manifesto, stop making spurious statements and stick to the facts. lcfmonkey
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11:07pm Sun 8 May 11

lcfmonkey says...

INSIDER. Did you lobby the previous council, if so how did you get on with that? I don't hear you complaining but it seems like a stick you're happy to beat the Greens with. And what's the nonsense about nappies? I don't recall reading that in any manifesto, stop making spurious statements and stick to the facts.
INSIDER. Did you lobby the previous council, if so how did you get on with that? I don't hear you complaining but it seems like a stick you're happy to beat the Greens with. And what's the nonsense about nappies? I don't recall reading that in any manifesto, stop making spurious statements and stick to the facts. lcfmonkey
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3:28am Mon 9 May 11

tonybee says...

God save us from students and Greens
They are both a waste of space and resources and are totally anti-social
God save us from students and Greens They are both a waste of space and resources and are totally anti-social tonybee
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7:18am Mon 9 May 11

lcfmonkey says...

tonybee wrote:
God save us from students and Greens
They are both a waste of space and resources and are totally anti-social
There's no God in Brighton, tonybee. That's why we voted Green!
and who needs students eh? All those educated people with their lahdy-dah degrees knowing stuff and finding cures for diseases and designing things!
[quote][p][bold]tonybee[/bold] wrote: God save us from students and Greens They are both a waste of space and resources and are totally anti-social[/p][/quote]There's no God in Brighton, tonybee. That's why we voted Green! and who needs students eh? All those educated people with their lahdy-dah degrees knowing stuff and finding cures for diseases and designing things! lcfmonkey
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7:38am Mon 9 May 11

boblat says...

Not much to add to the general census of opinion which denotes an air of 'positivity' from the overwhelming gains of the Green Party in Brighton and Hove,
As a member of the Greens for over 5 years, I have the privilege of knowing Caroline and a number of the Green Councillors personally. All I can say is that they are dedicated to ease the pain of the people who have suffered so much under the 'boot' of previous administrations committed to personal 'well being' without consideration.
Well done Caroline and all the Greens, and may your 'power' take you to even greater heights....10in10?
Not much to add to the general census of opinion which denotes an air of 'positivity' from the overwhelming gains of the Green Party in Brighton and Hove, As a member of the Greens for over 5 years, I have the privilege of knowing Caroline and a number of the Green Councillors personally. All I can say is that they are dedicated to ease the pain of the people who have suffered so much under the 'boot' of previous administrations committed to personal 'well being' without consideration. Well done Caroline and all the Greens, and may your 'power' take you to even greater heights....10in10? boblat
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7:47am Mon 9 May 11

Plantpot says...

boblat wrote:
Not much to add to the general census of opinion which denotes an air of 'positivity' from the overwhelming gains of the Green Party in Brighton and Hove,
As a member of the Greens for over 5 years, I have the privilege of knowing Caroline and a number of the Green Councillors personally. All I can say is that they are dedicated to ease the pain of the people who have suffered so much under the 'boot' of previous administrations committed to personal 'well being' without consideration.
Well done Caroline and all the Greens, and may your 'power' take you to even greater heights....10in10?
Significant gains in terms of seats yes, but not even the biggest share of the popular vote, and only 13.5% of available votes. More the beneficiaries of apathy.

B&H out of step with the rest of the UK again.
[quote][p][bold]boblat[/bold] wrote: Not much to add to the general census of opinion which denotes an air of 'positivity' from the overwhelming gains of the Green Party in Brighton and Hove, As a member of the Greens for over 5 years, I have the privilege of knowing Caroline and a number of the Green Councillors personally. All I can say is that they are dedicated to ease the pain of the people who have suffered so much under the 'boot' of previous administrations committed to personal 'well being' without consideration. Well done Caroline and all the Greens, and may your 'power' take you to even greater heights....10in10?[/p][/quote]Significant gains in terms of seats yes, but not even the biggest share of the popular vote, and only 13.5% of available votes. More the beneficiaries of apathy. B&H out of step with the rest of the UK again. Plantpot
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8:24am Mon 9 May 11

brunswick63 says...

Martha Gunn wrote:
Have been checking out the UFO stuff. It wasn't a Green manifesto commitment so seems to be more of a personal preoccupation of Brussels Lucas.

Perhaps even more worrying are the persistent rumours this weekend that one of the successful Green candidates is in fact an extra-terrestrial and may not qualify under current legislation to sit as an elected Councillor.

Yet another problem for Ringmaster Barradell to sort out as the clowns take over the circus.
A number of people that I have talked to are of the opinion that the idea to establish Brighton as the premier centre for UFO research comes from Cllr. Jason Kitcat and not Caroline Lucas. Cllr. Kitkat has apparently suggested that an array of radio telescopes be constructed along the south downs to aid the search for extra-terrestrial intelligence
[quote][p][bold]Martha Gunn[/bold] wrote: Have been checking out the UFO stuff. It wasn't a Green manifesto commitment so seems to be more of a personal preoccupation of Brussels Lucas. Perhaps even more worrying are the persistent rumours this weekend that one of the successful Green candidates is in fact an extra-terrestrial and may not qualify under current legislation to sit as an elected Councillor. Yet another problem for Ringmaster Barradell to sort out as the clowns take over the circus.[/p][/quote]A number of people that I have talked to are of the opinion that the idea to establish Brighton as the premier centre for UFO research comes from Cllr. Jason Kitcat and not Caroline Lucas. Cllr. Kitkat has apparently suggested that an array of radio telescopes be constructed along the south downs to aid the search for extra-terrestrial intelligence brunswick63
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8:57am Mon 9 May 11

lilleveller says...

For all those concerned with the Greens imposing mad environmental agenda's, or being unduly concerned with life's 'little people', look no further than The Level and breathe a sigh of relief! Given this is one of Brighton's last remaining open green spaces, logic would dictate that the (Mears/Tory backed) B+HCC proposals to rebuild an open concrete skatebowl on the field as opposed to rebuilding it in its current location, would be cause for much Green hand wringing and nashing of teeth. Not a bit of it!
In fact, over the last 2 years that this ridiculous, expensive, and divisive proposal has been on the table, the only thing the Greens have stood out on is their cowardice and abject silence (over what is arguably, the biggest local green issue to hit the area in a long time). But no, with votes in the balance, it was so much easier to focus on obscure cycle lanes in Hove!
Likewise, our local Green councilors were given a fine opportunity to introduce themselves and meet with some of the more disenfranchised members of our community last year (yup, I'm talking about those Level loving druggies and boozers people love to whine about). Did our Greens snap at the chance? Not on your nelly! In the spirit of 'best not be seen hobnobbing with the underclasses', all 3 local ward councilors approached to speak to the group reacted like rabbits caught in the headlights -only to sneak off quietly at the first opportunity leaving this group people waiting patiently. The Greens, like most good citizens love to talk about this 'anti-social' group, just not TO them.
As for me. I live in an housing estate surrounding The Level. Not being 'relevant enough' for the Greens, the only 'party' to ever bother knocking on these doors was Labour. So there you go. Vote Green, get spin.
Its all ****.
For all those concerned with the Greens imposing mad environmental agenda's, or being unduly concerned with life's 'little people', look no further than The Level and breathe a sigh of relief! Given this is one of Brighton's last remaining open green spaces, logic would dictate that the (Mears/Tory backed) B+HCC proposals to rebuild an open concrete skatebowl on the field as opposed to rebuilding it in its current location, would be cause for much Green hand wringing and nashing of teeth. Not a bit of it! In fact, over the last 2 years that this ridiculous, expensive, and divisive proposal has been on the table, the only thing the Greens have stood out on is their cowardice and abject silence (over what is arguably, the biggest local green issue to hit the area in a long time). But no, with votes in the balance, it was so much easier to focus on obscure cycle lanes in Hove! Likewise, our local Green councilors were given a fine opportunity to introduce themselves and meet with some of the more disenfranchised members of our community last year (yup, I'm talking about those Level loving druggies and boozers people love to whine about). Did our Greens snap at the chance? Not on your nelly! In the spirit of 'best not be seen hobnobbing with the underclasses', all 3 local ward councilors approached to speak to the group reacted like rabbits caught in the headlights -only to sneak off quietly at the first opportunity leaving this group people waiting patiently. The Greens, like most good citizens love to talk about this 'anti-social' group, just not TO them. As for me. I live in an housing estate surrounding The Level. Not being 'relevant enough' for the Greens, the only 'party' to ever bother knocking on these doors was Labour. So there you go. Vote Green, get spin. Its all ****. lilleveller
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9:28am Mon 9 May 11

Plantpot says...

Don't forget the Greens also failed to oppose the stadium. How is that possible? It was opposed by numerous other organisations that wanted to protect the Downs - but not the Greens.....
Don't forget the Greens also failed to oppose the stadium. How is that possible? It was opposed by numerous other organisations that wanted to protect the Downs - but not the Greens..... Plantpot
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10:30am Mon 9 May 11

chrisinbrighton says...

after reading most of these comments i can say that if so many people are against greens How did they get in
i bet all those who comment against the greens are the 55% who didnt vote
at least we havnt the tories
as a brightonian i can only say i dont things will get worse
well done greens and no before anyone says anything im a socialist and didnt vote green
after reading most of these comments i can say that if so many people are against greens How did they get in i bet all those who comment against the greens are the 55% who didnt vote at least we havnt the tories as a brightonian i can only say i dont things will get worse well done greens and no before anyone says anything im a socialist and didnt vote green chrisinbrighton
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11:45am Mon 9 May 11

TheInsider says...

lfcmonkey, first, the UK has the highest number of unemployed graduates in the country's history and the highest level of youth unemployment in the EU due to the fact that young people are studying degrees which are irrelevant to jobs in the UK or the world market. The over 50s are being employed at a faster rate than under 25s and graduates. I think this is a desperate shame for young people but parents need to start looking at the world, with the world of work and what emoloyers want before their kids spend £27,000 on an irrelevant course.
And if B&H has so many well educated people, how come the majority still have to commute into London for high paid jobs and why are these people not generating business opportunities in our own city? Many of my very well educated mates in Brighton are unemployed and have been for years as there arent relevant jobs in the city? It is old-fashioned traders in manual skills and low paid service industries keeping Brighton and Hove alive.
Anyway onto my election issue, yes thousands of people from across the city lobbied the former council to do something about the issue at a series of public meetings and a scrutiny panel was set up and a set of initiatives designed. The Tories started work to tackle it as they realised the serious impact to residents and the financial cost of the so many students living in what were family homes.
In the run up to the elections I wrote to all candidates in my area to ask their policy on dealing with the issue and only the Tory party had a policy of setting up a student letting agency and restricting family homes being converted to student homes via planning laws which would ensure these properties and landlords were properly managed and family homes protected.
I am not a Tory voter and this was a sad indictment of the other parties who said they did not know what the solution was and didn't seem to care about local policy. Labour and the Greens seemed to to be obsessed with national policies.
It will be interesting to see if the Greens drop the student letting/planning initiatives as many of their voters are students and the landlord and letting agencies in the city were putting serious pressure on the council to backtrack on this initiative.
Businesses, traders and commerce are the people who manage this town, not the councillors.
Any plans for new parking restrictions, increases in parking charges or cycle lanes will just be blocked by business.
We've had taxi drivers blocking the city centre in protest at changes to the railway station improvements.
When the Labour council started introducing parking restrictions a few years ago, traders started the Traders Against Parking Permit campaign and drove into the city and bought the town to a standstill in rush hour.
The binmen have an incredibly strong union and any plans to make recycling improvements will undoubtedly lead to industrial unrest if it means changes to working patterns. The Labour council had to take the service in-house as no private company would touch the tender due to the militancy of the employees.
Then we had the residents of Preston Park who refused to accept wheelie bins, and they are a Green ward???
Brighton and Hove is full of people who say one thing and do the other.
Anyway with regards to nappies, I mention this as the recycling and refuse situation in B&H will be a real challenge to the Greens.
At the moment recycling is not compulsory and it should be. It is in many non-Green towns and they will have no choice but to roll it.
The Sussex based landfill is full so we shall burn our cra* in Newhaven in a giant incinerator and there are now concerns it will spew cancerous fumes over our horizon.
One of the biggest problems is unnecessary waste, recyclables which just should not be in waste due to people refusing to recycle and nappies and packaging.
Apart from food waste which is a challenge for the council to collect from flats, bedsits etc, disposable nappies are one of the biggest single tonnages into waste each week as is unnecessary packaging.
None of us are green unless forced by legislation. We might dabble, but generally people aren't. Most of us drive, fly, buy plastic bags, use convenient products such as nappies and convey tiny children about in huge people carriers, therefore it is impossible to pass judgement or to force others into lifestyle changes without struggle or without doint it ourselves.
I mention the refuse issue and nappies as I have been involved with a UK project to work with some of the world's largest producers of nappies, wet wipes, etc to try to reduce the lack of recyclable materials in them.
We want to do this before they move into China and India where they are pushing disposables which will have a devastating affect on the worldwide environment. But no-one cares in this country because it's conventient so why should anyone elese bother to try to be green.
lfcmonkey, first, the UK has the highest number of unemployed graduates in the country's history and the highest level of youth unemployment in the EU due to the fact that young people are studying degrees which are irrelevant to jobs in the UK or the world market. The over 50s are being employed at a faster rate than under 25s and graduates. I think this is a desperate shame for young people but parents need to start looking at the world, with the world of work and what emoloyers want before their kids spend £27,000 on an irrelevant course. And if B&H has so many well educated people, how come the majority still have to commute into London for high paid jobs and why are these people not generating business opportunities in our own city? Many of my very well educated mates in Brighton are unemployed and have been for years as there arent relevant jobs in the city? It is old-fashioned traders in manual skills and low paid service industries keeping Brighton and Hove alive. Anyway onto my election issue, yes thousands of people from across the city lobbied the former council to do something about the issue at a series of public meetings and a scrutiny panel was set up and a set of initiatives designed. The Tories started work to tackle it as they realised the serious impact to residents and the financial cost of the so many students living in what were family homes. In the run up to the elections I wrote to all candidates in my area to ask their policy on dealing with the issue and only the Tory party had a policy of setting up a student letting agency and restricting family homes being converted to student homes via planning laws which would ensure these properties and landlords were properly managed and family homes protected. I am not a Tory voter and this was a sad indictment of the other parties who said they did not know what the solution was and didn't seem to care about local policy. Labour and the Greens seemed to to be obsessed with national policies. It will be interesting to see if the Greens drop the student letting/planning initiatives as many of their voters are students and the landlord and letting agencies in the city were putting serious pressure on the council to backtrack on this initiative. Businesses, traders and commerce are the people who manage this town, not the councillors. Any plans for new parking restrictions, increases in parking charges or cycle lanes will just be blocked by business. We've had taxi drivers blocking the city centre in protest at changes to the railway station improvements. When the Labour council started introducing parking restrictions a few years ago, traders started the Traders Against Parking Permit campaign and drove into the city and bought the town to a standstill in rush hour. The binmen have an incredibly strong union and any plans to make recycling improvements will undoubtedly lead to industrial unrest if it means changes to working patterns. The Labour council had to take the service in-house as no private company would touch the tender due to the militancy of the employees. Then we had the residents of Preston Park who refused to accept wheelie bins, and they are a Green ward??? Brighton and Hove is full of people who say one thing and do the other. Anyway with regards to nappies, I mention this as the recycling and refuse situation in B&H will be a real challenge to the Greens. At the moment recycling is not compulsory and it should be. It is in many non-Green towns and they will have no choice but to roll it. The Sussex based landfill is full so we shall burn our cra* in Newhaven in a giant incinerator and there are now concerns it will spew cancerous fumes over our horizon. One of the biggest problems is unnecessary waste, recyclables which just should not be in waste due to people refusing to recycle and nappies and packaging. Apart from food waste which is a challenge for the council to collect from flats, bedsits etc, disposable nappies are one of the biggest single tonnages into waste each week as is unnecessary packaging. None of us are green unless forced by legislation. We might dabble, but generally people aren't. Most of us drive, fly, buy plastic bags, use convenient products such as nappies and convey tiny children about in huge people carriers, therefore it is impossible to pass judgement or to force others into lifestyle changes without struggle or without doint it ourselves. I mention the refuse issue and nappies as I have been involved with a UK project to work with some of the world's largest producers of nappies, wet wipes, etc to try to reduce the lack of recyclable materials in them. We want to do this before they move into China and India where they are pushing disposables which will have a devastating affect on the worldwide environment. But no-one cares in this country because it's conventient so why should anyone elese bother to try to be green. TheInsider
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11:54am Mon 9 May 11

brunswick63 says...

Plantpot wrote:
Don't forget the Greens also failed to oppose the stadium. How is that possible? It was opposed by numerous other organisations that wanted to protect the Downs - but not the Greens.....
I think we all remember that during last years election, Caroline Lucas was campaigning in Brighton and being driven round town in a van with 'Caroline Lucas; People's Champion' written on the side. Nowadays, you're more likely to see Bigfoot, a flock of Dodo's and the Loch Ness Monster congregating in Churchill Square than see Caroline Lucas in Brighton. Oh well, we've always got Councillor Jason 'UFO boy' Kitcat to fall-back on....
[quote][p][bold]Plantpot[/bold] wrote: Don't forget the Greens also failed to oppose the stadium. How is that possible? It was opposed by numerous other organisations that wanted to protect the Downs - but not the Greens.....[/p][/quote]I think we all remember that during last years election, Caroline Lucas was campaigning in Brighton and being driven round town in a van with 'Caroline Lucas; People's Champion' written on the side. Nowadays, you're more likely to see Bigfoot, a flock of Dodo's and the Loch Ness Monster congregating in Churchill Square than see Caroline Lucas in Brighton. Oh well, we've always got Councillor Jason 'UFO boy' Kitcat to fall-back on.... brunswick63
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3:11pm Mon 9 May 11

the right way up says...

God help Brighton & Hove! What was once a beautiful, peaceful city will now become a test pad for looney left policies! It was bad enough with Labour, but at least you knew where you were with them! Labour will have to be VERY careful siding with this bunch. Remember mud sticks! A bunch of hypocrits if ever there was. Banging on about meat free Mondays, but fully supportive of Halal ritual slaughter. The fight back to common sense starts today! Hang on to your hats. It's gonna be a bumpy ride!
God help Brighton & Hove! What was once a beautiful, peaceful city will now become a test pad for looney left policies! It was bad enough with Labour, but at least you knew where you were with them! Labour will have to be VERY careful siding with this bunch. Remember mud sticks! A bunch of hypocrits if ever there was. Banging on about meat free Mondays, but fully supportive of Halal ritual slaughter. The fight back to common sense starts today! Hang on to your hats. It's gonna be a bumpy ride! the right way up
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4:15pm Mon 9 May 11

boblat says...

My god!..You people!..You must have something really negative right up your 'Jacky's'??..I have never read such a lot of frustrated Bo...x in all my life..Sick, gutted, whiny old armchair politicians who know nothing about nothing, just their own sorry little past lives....
We have a FUTURE to look forward to for our kids and grand-kids, so they won't have to be plagued with fighting every greedy, grabbing WOFT out there ripping the world off for their own pockets.
My god!..You people!..You must have something really negative right up your 'Jacky's'??..I have never read such a lot of frustrated Bo...x in all my life..Sick, gutted, whiny old armchair politicians who know nothing about nothing, just their own sorry little past lives.... We have a FUTURE to look forward to for our kids and grand-kids, so they won't have to be plagued with fighting every greedy, grabbing WOFT out there ripping the world off for their own pockets. boblat
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6:35pm Mon 9 May 11

Mr Numptyhead says...

brunswick63 wrote:
Plantpot wrote:
Don't forget the Greens also failed to oppose the stadium. How is that possible? It was opposed by numerous other organisations that wanted to protect the Downs - but not the Greens.....
I think we all remember that during last years election, Caroline Lucas was campaigning in Brighton and being driven round town in a van with 'Caroline Lucas; People's Champion' written on the side. Nowadays, you're more likely to see Bigfoot, a flock of Dodo's and the Loch Ness Monster congregating in Churchill Square than see Caroline Lucas in Brighton. Oh well, we've always got Councillor Jason 'UFO boy' Kitcat to fall-back on....
FYI - I saw Caroline Lucas on the 5A bus on Saturday evening. Good luck with your dodo spotting.
[quote][p][bold]brunswick63[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Plantpot[/bold] wrote: Don't forget the Greens also failed to oppose the stadium. How is that possible? It was opposed by numerous other organisations that wanted to protect the Downs - but not the Greens.....[/p][/quote]I think we all remember that during last years election, Caroline Lucas was campaigning in Brighton and being driven round town in a van with 'Caroline Lucas; People's Champion' written on the side. Nowadays, you're more likely to see Bigfoot, a flock of Dodo's and the Loch Ness Monster congregating in Churchill Square than see Caroline Lucas in Brighton. Oh well, we've always got Councillor Jason 'UFO boy' Kitcat to fall-back on....[/p][/quote]FYI - I saw Caroline Lucas on the 5A bus on Saturday evening. Good luck with your dodo spotting. Mr Numptyhead
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8:01pm Mon 9 May 11

lcfmonkey says...

boblat wrote:
My god!..You people!..You must have something really negative right up your 'Jacky's'??..I have never read such a lot of frustrated Bo...x in all my life..Sick, gutted, whiny old armchair politicians who know nothing about nothing, just their own sorry little past lives....
We have a FUTURE to look forward to for our kids and grand-kids, so they won't have to be plagued with fighting every greedy, grabbing WOFT out there ripping the world off for their own pockets.
Spot on boblat! Sometimes it depresses me reading these forums as it reminds me how many petty, self-centred, ill-informed pub politicians there are sitting at home being outraged at anything that isn't directly related to their lives.
I believe whatever the Greens do there will still be a moaner somewhere whining how "looney" it all is. Still, bugger 'em, I'm happy!!!
[quote][p][bold]boblat[/bold] wrote: My god!..You people!..You must have something really negative right up your 'Jacky's'??..I have never read such a lot of frustrated Bo...x in all my life..Sick, gutted, whiny old armchair politicians who know nothing about nothing, just their own sorry little past lives.... We have a FUTURE to look forward to for our kids and grand-kids, so they won't have to be plagued with fighting every greedy, grabbing WOFT out there ripping the world off for their own pockets.[/p][/quote]Spot on boblat! Sometimes it depresses me reading these forums as it reminds me how many petty, self-centred, ill-informed pub politicians there are sitting at home being outraged at anything that isn't directly related to their lives. I believe whatever the Greens do there will still be a moaner somewhere whining how "looney" it all is. Still, bugger 'em, I'm happy!!! lcfmonkey
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8:20pm Mon 9 May 11

the right way up says...

So boblat & icfmonkey we're all a load of frustrated moaners are we? Well we'll see when Looney Lucas and her band of nutters start forcing up council tax, encourage more and more immigrants down to the city, who will in turn take much needed jobs, housing, oh and not forgetting benefits by the ton. Trust me boblat, your children and grandchildren won't have a future. But then you won't realise that until it's to late. And may I inform the both of you that we're not moaning or up our jacksies! It's called democracy. Something that my father and millions like him fought long and hard for. Remember that!
So boblat & icfmonkey we're all a load of frustrated moaners are we? Well we'll see when Looney Lucas and her band of nutters start forcing up council tax, encourage more and more immigrants down to the city, who will in turn take much needed jobs, housing, oh and not forgetting benefits by the ton. Trust me boblat, your children and grandchildren won't have a future. But then you won't realise that until it's to late. And may I inform the both of you that we're not moaning or up our jacksies! It's called democracy. Something that my father and millions like him fought long and hard for. Remember that! the right way up
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9:19pm Mon 9 May 11

lcfmonkey says...

the right way up wrote:
So boblat & icfmonkey we're all a load of frustrated moaners are we? Well we'll see when Looney Lucas and her band of nutters start forcing up council tax, encourage more and more immigrants down to the city, who will in turn take much needed jobs, housing, oh and not forgetting benefits by the ton. Trust me boblat, your children and grandchildren won't have a future. But then you won't realise that until it's to late. And may I inform the both of you that we're not moaning or up our jacksies! It's called democracy. Something that my father and millions like him fought long and hard for. Remember that!
Utterly brilliant! You got "looney" in there straight away, then spout a load of alarmist claptrap (where d'you get your facts from by the way?) Then, to top it all, bleat on about democracy which is EXACTLY what got the Greens elected. You are superb 'right way up' you really are!
[quote][p][bold]the right way up[/bold] wrote: So boblat & icfmonkey we're all a load of frustrated moaners are we? Well we'll see when Looney Lucas and her band of nutters start forcing up council tax, encourage more and more immigrants down to the city, who will in turn take much needed jobs, housing, oh and not forgetting benefits by the ton. Trust me boblat, your children and grandchildren won't have a future. But then you won't realise that until it's to late. And may I inform the both of you that we're not moaning or up our jacksies! It's called democracy. Something that my father and millions like him fought long and hard for. Remember that![/p][/quote]Utterly brilliant! You got "looney" in there straight away, then spout a load of alarmist claptrap (where d'you get your facts from by the way?) Then, to top it all, bleat on about democracy which is EXACTLY what got the Greens elected. You are superb 'right way up' you really are! lcfmonkey
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10:01pm Mon 9 May 11

HJarrs says...

TheInsider wrote:
HJarrs. I cycle a 50 miles round trip to work each day. I grow enough veg to feed myself each year. I recycle everything and don't buy imported or out of season food or packaged food where possible My partner and I are very comfortable financially so we could afford to pay more for a cleaner better world and we would be Good Green voters. However, when I vote I have to think about those people who need more social support And who get penalised by people in power who don't understand what it's like to struggle to keep a family. However, you openly stated that you were happy if the city became a more expensive place to live because you are a selfish voter who does not care if you socially engineer people out of this city. Did you look into the candidates an their backgrounds and their work history before you voted or did you blindly vote for a party because it sounded nice. I am glad you read through my posts as it clearly made you a little red in the face or was it Green in the gills
Good for you! You are setting a fine example. However, I don't seem to remember anything about wanting to price out and people or socially engineer, infact I support the very opposite. I voted for the Greens partly because they are they only social democratic peoples party left. I know you seem to have a bit of a problem with an assumed social makeup of the Greens, yet are on pretty much the same page. I think people like you should stop sitting on the fence chucking brickbats and broaden the Green party by joining.
[quote][p][bold]TheInsider[/bold] wrote: HJarrs. I cycle a 50 miles round trip to work each day. I grow enough veg to feed myself each year. I recycle everything and don't buy imported or out of season food or packaged food where possible My partner and I are very comfortable financially so we could afford to pay more for a cleaner better world and we would be Good Green voters. However, when I vote I have to think about those people who need more social support And who get penalised by people in power who don't understand what it's like to struggle to keep a family. However, you openly stated that you were happy if the city became a more expensive place to live because you are a selfish voter who does not care if you socially engineer people out of this city. Did you look into the candidates an their backgrounds and their work history before you voted or did you blindly vote for a party because it sounded nice. I am glad you read through my posts as it clearly made you a little red in the face or was it Green in the gills[/p][/quote]Good for you! You are setting a fine example. However, I don't seem to remember anything about wanting to price out and people or socially engineer, infact I support the very opposite. I voted for the Greens partly because they are they only social democratic peoples party left. I know you seem to have a bit of a problem with an assumed social makeup of the Greens, yet are on pretty much the same page. I think people like you should stop sitting on the fence chucking brickbats and broaden the Green party by joining. HJarrs
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9:10am Tue 10 May 11

TheInsider says...

It's ironic that the wards which have gone Green are the wards which campaigned against the brilliant new recycling centre in Hollingdean.
Where did these Green families want their recycling to go?
It's ironic that the wards which have gone Green are the wards which campaigned against the brilliant new recycling centre in Hollingdean. Where did these Green families want their recycling to go? TheInsider
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10:06am Tue 10 May 11

the right way up says...

I suggest you take the " see no evil, speak no evil and hear no evil" cap off! Looney Lucas is a member of the No Borders group which encourages open borders and mass immigration. Great when you have mass unemployment in the UK! But then again thats how parties of the left prosper by relying on the votes of immigrants to this country. Remember turkeys dont vote for xmas! I suggest you take the " see no evil, speak no evil and hear no evil" cap off before you start criticising others!
I suggest you take the " see no evil, speak no evil and hear no evil" cap off! Looney Lucas is a member of the No Borders group which encourages open borders and mass immigration. Great when you have mass unemployment in the UK! But then again thats how parties of the left prosper by relying on the votes of immigrants to this country. Remember turkeys dont vote for xmas! I suggest you take the " see no evil, speak no evil and hear no evil" cap off before you start criticising others! the right way up
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12:17pm Tue 10 May 11

Rose Watson says...

the right way up wrote:
I suggest you take the " see no evil, speak no evil and hear no evil" cap off! Looney Lucas is a member of the No Borders group which encourages open borders and mass immigration. Great when you have mass unemployment in the UK! But then again thats how parties of the left prosper by relying on the votes of immigrants to this country. Remember turkeys dont vote for xmas! I suggest you take the " see no evil, speak no evil and hear no evil" cap off before you start criticising others!
Now you're just repeating yourself even in the same post.

It's called democracy. Live with it.
[quote][p][bold]the right way up[/bold] wrote: I suggest you take the " see no evil, speak no evil and hear no evil" cap off! Looney Lucas is a member of the No Borders group which encourages open borders and mass immigration. Great when you have mass unemployment in the UK! But then again thats how parties of the left prosper by relying on the votes of immigrants to this country. Remember turkeys dont vote for xmas! I suggest you take the " see no evil, speak no evil and hear no evil" cap off before you start criticising others![/p][/quote]Now you're just repeating yourself even in the same post. It's called democracy. Live with it. Rose Watson
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6:00pm Tue 10 May 11

King from Hove says...

Welcome to Mars on Earth.We are being run by relatives of the Martians who invaded our Earth.Funny how they settled in Brighton & Hove but nowhere else in the Country.Look out look out there is a Greeny about.They have mini solar panelled clothes and mini wind turbines on their heads.Oh and have cycles with recycling compartments.Oh and their Boss doesnt want to live here.
Welcome to Mars on Earth.We are being run by relatives of the Martians who invaded our Earth.Funny how they settled in Brighton & Hove but nowhere else in the Country.Look out look out there is a Greeny about.They have mini solar panelled clothes and mini wind turbines on their heads.Oh and have cycles with recycling compartments.Oh and their Boss doesnt want to live here. King from Hove
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6:53pm Tue 10 May 11

lcfmonkey says...

King from Hove wrote:
Welcome to Mars on Earth.We are being run by relatives of the Martians who invaded our Earth.Funny how they settled in Brighton & Hove but nowhere else in the Country.Look out look out there is a Greeny about.They have mini solar panelled clothes and mini wind turbines on their heads.Oh and have cycles with recycling compartments.Oh and their Boss doesnt want to live here.
It's nice to see Nursing Homes in Hove have Internet access!
[quote][p][bold]King from Hove[/bold] wrote: Welcome to Mars on Earth.We are being run by relatives of the Martians who invaded our Earth.Funny how they settled in Brighton & Hove but nowhere else in the Country.Look out look out there is a Greeny about.They have mini solar panelled clothes and mini wind turbines on their heads.Oh and have cycles with recycling compartments.Oh and their Boss doesnt want to live here.[/p][/quote]It's nice to see Nursing Homes in Hove have Internet access! lcfmonkey
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7:12pm Tue 10 May 11

King from Hove says...

It was a joke.I hope they do well and at least get our blue flagged beaches back.
It was a joke.I hope they do well and at least get our blue flagged beaches back. King from Hove
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7:39pm Wed 11 May 11

the right way up says...

Rose Watson wrote:
the right way up wrote:
I suggest you take the " see no evil, speak no evil and hear no evil" cap off! Looney Lucas is a member of the No Borders group which encourages open borders and mass immigration. Great when you have mass unemployment in the UK! But then again thats how parties of the left prosper by relying on the votes of immigrants to this country. Remember turkeys dont vote for xmas! I suggest you take the " see no evil, speak no evil and hear no evil" cap off before you start criticising others!
Now you're just repeating yourself even in the same post.

It's called democracy. Live with it.
It's whats known as a typographical error. But then being an intelligent person i'm sure you realised that....didn't you? I rest my case on the lentil & tofu munchers party. Hypocrites all!
[quote][p][bold]Rose Watson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the right way up[/bold] wrote: I suggest you take the " see no evil, speak no evil and hear no evil" cap off! Looney Lucas is a member of the No Borders group which encourages open borders and mass immigration. Great when you have mass unemployment in the UK! But then again thats how parties of the left prosper by relying on the votes of immigrants to this country. Remember turkeys dont vote for xmas! I suggest you take the " see no evil, speak no evil and hear no evil" cap off before you start criticising others![/p][/quote]Now you're just repeating yourself even in the same post. It's called democracy. Live with it.[/p][/quote]It's whats known as a typographical error. But then being an intelligent person i'm sure you realised that....didn't you? I rest my case on the lentil & tofu munchers party. Hypocrites all! the right way up
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