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Driver claims A27 dog ordeal was accident

A “dog-loving” father has claimed he dragged a dog six miles to its death in a “tragic accident”.

The Porsche driver faced threats of violence from animal lovers after the horrific story of the beagle-collie cross’s death broke.

The dog was dragged along the A27 from Devil’s Dyke to Southwick behind the Porsche Carrera.

After handing himself in to police, the father-of-three released a statement through his solicitor claiming he had been involved in a “terrible set of circumstances”.

Forensic experts seized the Porsche and are currently analysing it to try and see if the dog could have become accidentally tangled in the engine.

The 33-year-old Worthing man’s solicitor said his client was driving down a country road on his way home from London.

He added: “The dog had got loose that afternoon while it was being taken for a walk and was in the middle of the road.

“It was wearing a leash which extended several metres in length.

“While he was driving past the leash became entangled in the exhaust system of the vehicle, dragging the dog behind him.

“The driver was completely unaware of what had happened.

"He stopped to check his car several times because he heard a sound and thought there might be something wrong with his brakes.

"However he did not see the animal behind him.

“He went to the car park near Devil’s Dyke because he wanted to use the toilet at a nearby pub.

"He turned round in the car park and drove on.

“Eventually the driver stopped at the lay-by by Southwick Tunnel because people had been flashing and hooting at him.

“He untied the animal, but did not even realise it was a dog. He was so shocked by it he drove away.

“My client is a dog lover and is completely devastated by what has happened.”

The man’s wife, Karen Sadler, 42, said she had loaned her Belgian husband her £40,000 car, and convinced him to hand himself in to police after The Argus broke the story on Monday evening (November 21).

She said: “Stupidly, he told me that because the dog was dead, there was nothing he could do for it, so he dumped it in the lay-by.

“He’s from Belgium and didn’t realise that he should have reported it to the police.”

After keeping the suspect in custody overnight, he was released from Worthing Police station without charge yesterday (November 22).

He was bailed until December 14 while officers examine his car and try to establish the dog’s cause of death.

A witness first reported seeing the Porsche with the dog chained to the back at the Devil’s Dyke car park at about 10pm on Sunday, November 20.

At about 10.30pm, another witness was overtaken by the sports car as it dragged the animal through the Southwick Tunnel, before pulling in to a lay-by.

The dog’s owners are thought not to even know that their pet has been killed.

More than 1,000 people have joined a Facebook group Justice for Little Pup, set up by horrified witness Mike Walsh, to express their shock at the incident.

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5:58pm Wed 23 Nov 11

kerryfee says...

Oh dear, they named the wife, won't be long untill he is outed. I would go back to Belgium PDQ if I was him.
Oh dear, they named the wife, won't be long untill he is outed. I would go back to Belgium PDQ if I was him. kerryfee
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6:05pm Wed 23 Nov 11

AngelicDevil says...

If that is the truth the what a terrible tragedy, really feel for this guy.

Quite grim :(
If that is the truth the what a terrible tragedy, really feel for this guy. Quite grim :( AngelicDevil
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6:07pm Wed 23 Nov 11

Hove Ex-Pat says...

His "answer" via his solicitor varies quite a bit from what witnesses at Devils Dyke said at the time.
We await further news.
His "answer" via his solicitor varies quite a bit from what witnesses at Devils Dyke said at the time. We await further news. Hove Ex-Pat
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6:10pm Wed 23 Nov 11

Angryoldman says...

"so he dumped it in the lay-by."
Nice bloke you got there love. I hope there are no children around him!
"so he dumped it in the lay-by." Nice bloke you got there love. I hope there are no children around him! Angryoldman
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6:13pm Wed 23 Nov 11

fredaj says...

Angryoldman wrote:
"so he dumped it in the lay-by."
Nice bloke you got there love. I hope there are no children around him!
Yes! Think of the children!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]Angryoldman[/bold] wrote: "so he dumped it in the lay-by." Nice bloke you got there love. I hope there are no children around him![/p][/quote]Yes! Think of the children!!!!! fredaj
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6:24pm Wed 23 Nov 11

asbojim says...

so this piece of scum is saying he was involved in a "terrible set of circumstances"
and the twaddle he has come out with will be the next best seller in the FICTION category, all via his over paid and no doubt legal aid solicitor,
as Keeryfee above says, go back to belgium quick.
so this piece of scum is saying he was involved in a "terrible set of circumstances" and the twaddle he has come out with will be the next best seller in the FICTION category, all via his over paid and no doubt legal aid solicitor, as Keeryfee above says, go back to belgium quick. asbojim
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6:41pm Wed 23 Nov 11

Servalan says...

Don't they have police and laws in Belgium then?
Don't they have police and laws in Belgium then? Servalan
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7:03pm Wed 23 Nov 11

AngelicDevil says...

Not all countries require you to report such a thing.

In some countries the owner of the unleashed dog could be punished!
Not all countries require you to report such a thing. In some countries the owner of the unleashed dog could be punished! AngelicDevil
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7:07pm Wed 23 Nov 11

Morpheus says...

Wasn't there another case where dogs had been tied to a car and then another person drove off not realising it. I'm inclined to believe the man's statement.
Wasn't there another case where dogs had been tied to a car and then another person drove off not realising it. I'm inclined to believe the man's statement. Morpheus
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7:12pm Wed 23 Nov 11

AngelicDevil says...

Yup, Morpheus, that happened near Balcombe a few months ago. A tragic accident. Hence my inclination to wait and see if this was a tragic accident too.
Yup, Morpheus, that happened near Balcombe a few months ago. A tragic accident. Hence my inclination to wait and see if this was a tragic accident too. AngelicDevil
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7:23pm Wed 23 Nov 11

a person says...

Well I feel sorry for the man and I believe him.
Whoever lost the dog can confirm it.
After all if it was a stray / lost dog running around with a lead on
You can see how it could happen.

If he thought something was wrong with his brakes he would only look
at the wheels not the rest of the car , plus it was dark.

Accidents do happen ..
Well I feel sorry for the man and I believe him. Whoever lost the dog can confirm it. After all if it was a stray / lost dog running around with a lead on You can see how it could happen. If he thought something was wrong with his brakes he would only look at the wheels not the rest of the car , plus it was dark. Accidents do happen .. a person
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7:29pm Wed 23 Nov 11

pebble counter says...

If he was genuinely fond of the dog, he would not have left it unburied on discovering it was dead.

He is lying. And if he isn't judged as lying by the police/courts then he should be prosecuted to the maximum for dropping litter.
If he was genuinely fond of the dog, he would not have left it unburied on discovering it was dead. He is lying. And if he isn't judged as lying by the police/courts then he should be prosecuted to the maximum for dropping litter. pebble counter
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7:32pm Wed 23 Nov 11

bug eye says...

seems very feasible, and the actions of a sane 40 something businessman. accidents do happen, and must have been traumatic for him, what do you do in that situation? could be any of us, and it is good to know the truth and that there is not some insane maniac out there.
seems very feasible, and the actions of a sane 40 something businessman. accidents do happen, and must have been traumatic for him, what do you do in that situation? could be any of us, and it is good to know the truth and that there is not some insane maniac out there. bug eye
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7:58pm Wed 23 Nov 11

Rocco10 says...

So are all foreigners stupid then? I'm suprised the wife didn't say "He from Barcelona, he know nothing."

Legal requirement or not you should report it out of courtesy.
So are all foreigners stupid then? I'm suprised the wife didn't say "He from Barcelona, he know nothing." Legal requirement or not you should report it out of courtesy. Rocco10
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8:01pm Wed 23 Nov 11

ghost bus driver says...

Lets wait for the court to decide if he's guilty. If he's not then I have sympathy for him, especially if he's fond of animals. If he is, then I'd like to chain him to the back of a car doing 90 up the m1
Lets wait for the court to decide if he's guilty. If he's not then I have sympathy for him, especially if he's fond of animals. If he is, then I'd like to chain him to the back of a car doing 90 up the m1 ghost bus driver
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8:37pm Wed 23 Nov 11

Servalan says...

What is the maximum fine for dumping an animal carcass on the side of the road?
What is the maximum fine for dumping an animal carcass on the side of the road? Servalan
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8:38pm Wed 23 Nov 11

AmandaV says...

kerryfee wrote:
Oh dear, they named the wife, won't be long untill he is outed. I would go back to Belgium PDQ if I was him.
It does seem a bit strange that he went to Devil's Dyke on his way home (on a Sunday) to go to the loo at a pub. A bit out of the way...
Certainly, innocent until proven guilty. But I have lost a wee bit of my faith in the British justice system, definitely with regard to animal welfare. Perhaps that's why so many people are upset about this, as we cannot be sure this man will be fairly assessed by the courts.
This incident has upset me terribly!
[quote][p][bold]kerryfee[/bold] wrote: Oh dear, they named the wife, won't be long untill he is outed. I would go back to Belgium PDQ if I was him.[/p][/quote]It does seem a bit strange that he went to Devil's Dyke on his way home (on a Sunday) to go to the loo at a pub. A bit out of the way... Certainly, innocent until proven guilty. But I have lost a wee bit of my faith in the British justice system, definitely with regard to animal welfare. Perhaps that's why so many people are upset about this, as we cannot be sure this man will be fairly assessed by the courts. This incident has upset me terribly! AmandaV
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8:54pm Wed 23 Nov 11

SGK2000 says...

Would anybody meaning to harm a dog really tie it to the back of their car and drive on a busy road with the almost certain knowledge that they would be caught?

Sounds more a tragic accident to me.
Would anybody meaning to harm a dog really tie it to the back of their car and drive on a busy road with the almost certain knowledge that they would be caught? Sounds more a tragic accident to me. SGK2000
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8:58pm Wed 23 Nov 11

Servalan says...

SGK2000 wrote:
Would anybody meaning to harm a dog really tie it to the back of their car and drive on a busy road with the almost certain knowledge that they would be caught?

Sounds more a tragic accident to me.
Indeed - all the criminals in our jails must be innocent, because would any of them ever have committed a crime? As they must surely be caught?!

Maybe he thought he'd get away with it cos he was Belgian?
[quote][p][bold]SGK2000[/bold] wrote: Would anybody meaning to harm a dog really tie it to the back of their car and drive on a busy road with the almost certain knowledge that they would be caught? Sounds more a tragic accident to me.[/p][/quote]Indeed - all the criminals in our jails must be innocent, because would any of them ever have committed a crime? As they must surely be caught?! Maybe he thought he'd get away with it cos he was Belgian? Servalan
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9:19pm Wed 23 Nov 11

sdhgfhfuyt says...

He added: “The dog had got loose that afternoon while it was being taken for a walk and was in the middle of the road.

“It was wearing a leash which extended several metres in length.

“While he was driving past the leash became entangled in the exhaust system of the vehicle, dragging the dog behind him.

“The driver was completely unaware of what had happened.

there were a few too many details in his solicitor statement prior to the accident. I don't care how loud the car is, he would have heard a dog yelping.

Also why doesn't he check his mirrors when he's driving ?
He added: “The dog had got loose that afternoon while it was being taken for a walk and was in the middle of the road. “It was wearing a leash which extended several metres in length. “While he was driving past the leash became entangled in the exhaust system of the vehicle, dragging the dog behind him. “The driver was completely unaware of what had happened. there were a few too many details in his solicitor statement prior to the accident. I don't care how loud the car is, he would have heard a dog yelping. Also why doesn't he check his mirrors when he's driving ? sdhgfhfuyt
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9:25pm Wed 23 Nov 11

Servalan says...

he seems to know an awful lot about the dog! How does he know it was "being taken for a walk" and "got loose"?
he seems to know an awful lot about the dog! How does he know it was "being taken for a walk" and "got loose"? Servalan
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9:57pm Wed 23 Nov 11

cvs says...

Morpheus wrote:
Wasn't there another case where dogs had been tied to a car and then another person drove off not realising it. I'm inclined to believe the man's statement.
What you believe him!
He stopped several times to check but didn't manage to see a rope coming out the back with a dying dog on it. Then stopped to use the loo and still missed it
[quote][p][bold]Morpheus[/bold] wrote: Wasn't there another case where dogs had been tied to a car and then another person drove off not realising it. I'm inclined to believe the man's statement.[/p][/quote]What you believe him! He stopped several times to check but didn't manage to see a rope coming out the back with a dying dog on it. Then stopped to use the loo and still missed it cvs
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10:18pm Wed 23 Nov 11

Jo-scuba says...

sdhgfhfuyt wrote:
He added: “The dog had got loose that afternoon while it was being taken for a walk and was in the middle of the road.

“It was wearing a leash which extended several metres in length.

“While he was driving past the leash became entangled in the exhaust system of the vehicle, dragging the dog behind him.

“The driver was completely unaware of what had happened.

there were a few too many details in his solicitor statement prior to the accident. I don't care how loud the car is, he would have heard a dog yelping.

Also why doesn't he check his mirrors when he's driving ?
AmandaV says...
"8:38pm Wed 23 Nov 11It does seem a bit strange that he went to Devil's Dyke on his way home (on a Sunday) to go to the loo at a pub. A bit out of the way..."

EXACTLY my thoughts too, AmandaV and sdhgfhfuyt! And now for my Miss Marple moment...

... Apparently the owners of the dog are on holiday abroad and don't know know their dog is dead yet, then who was walking the dog? How does he know the dog got loose in the afternoon if he wasn't there till 10pm? I've never come across a retractable lead (as per the picture released by the police) that stays extended at 4-5 meters, if it is not held by the dog and person at each end, so how could it be across the road. It never takes 30 mins to drive the 6 miles from the Devil's Dyke car park to the Southwick Tunnel, especially not at 10pm on a Sunday! ...and as someone on another site pointed out, "If the lead was tangled tightly enough underneath his car that the dog, which must have been 20-25kg, didn't come off then how did he manage to untangle it in the dark with his bare hands"? And if he stopped several times to investigate the noise because he thought there was something wrong with his car, wouldn't he walk all around and look underneath, and he would have seen the lead. And most of all, that's quite a bit out of the way off the A27 to drive just to go to the loo when there are several petrol stations around - and don't men always just wee in a layby anyway?!

Unless of course he was meeting whoever was looking after the dog, had a row, and he drove off at speed in a red mist of anger...then the dog could have accidently got caught up under his car, and not noticed until he wondered why everyone was flashing him and stopped to have a look...

Oh, and this was a witness statement - "I was just at the Southwick Tunnel when a Porsche overtook me. I could hear this metallic sound, a bit like a garage door closing, and I could see a chain coming out of the back of the car. Then I saw the dog. There were four to five meters of chain coming out of the car and then the chain was wrapped around the dog's neck." If it was that loud to someone in another car, then there is no way he couldn't have heard it!
[quote][p][bold]sdhgfhfuyt[/bold] wrote: He added: “The dog had got loose that afternoon while it was being taken for a walk and was in the middle of the road. “It was wearing a leash which extended several metres in length. “While he was driving past the leash became entangled in the exhaust system of the vehicle, dragging the dog behind him. “The driver was completely unaware of what had happened. there were a few too many details in his solicitor statement prior to the accident. I don't care how loud the car is, he would have heard a dog yelping. Also why doesn't he check his mirrors when he's driving ?[/p][/quote]AmandaV says... "8:38pm Wed 23 Nov 11It does seem a bit strange that he went to Devil's Dyke on his way home (on a Sunday) to go to the loo at a pub. A bit out of the way..." EXACTLY my thoughts too, AmandaV and sdhgfhfuyt! And now for my Miss Marple moment... ... Apparently the owners of the dog are on holiday abroad and don't know know their dog is dead yet, then who was walking the dog? How does he know the dog got loose in the afternoon if he wasn't there till 10pm? I've never come across a retractable lead (as per the picture released by the police) that stays extended at 4-5 meters, if it is not held by the dog and person at each end, so how could it be across the road. It never takes 30 mins to drive the 6 miles from the Devil's Dyke car park to the Southwick Tunnel, especially not at 10pm on a Sunday! ...and as someone on another site pointed out, "If the lead was tangled tightly enough underneath his car that the dog, which must have been 20-25kg, didn't come off then how did he manage to untangle it in the dark with his bare hands"? And if he stopped several times to investigate the noise because he thought there was something wrong with his car, wouldn't he walk all around and look underneath, and he would have seen the lead. And most of all, that's quite a bit out of the way off the A27 to drive just to go to the loo when there are several petrol stations around - and don't men always just wee in a layby anyway?! Unless of course he was meeting whoever was looking after the dog, had a row, and he drove off at speed in a red mist of anger...then the dog could have accidently got caught up under his car, and not noticed until he wondered why everyone was flashing him and stopped to have a look... Oh, and this was a witness statement - "I was just at the Southwick Tunnel when a Porsche overtook me. I could hear this metallic sound, a bit like a garage door closing, and I could see a chain coming out of the back of the car. Then I saw the dog. There were four to five meters of chain coming out of the car and then the chain was wrapped around the dog's neck." If it was that loud to someone in another car, then there is no way he couldn't have heard it! Jo-scuba
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10:54pm Wed 23 Nov 11

a person says...

Maybe as someone had lent him a fast car he was also having a bit of a ride around on the way back from London.

Maybe he had loud music on in the car, not everyone drives in silence .
It was dark maybe he didn’t see the dog .

Other stories on the internet seem to be saying ,the police have identified the dog and the owner is on holiday. Maybe the dog was in kennels. There for if the dog was out with the kennel workers it would have been with other dogs and on a long lead .

Maybe the kennels are at fault for accidentally losing the dog ,

That could be why the police have changed their
Original statement of saying it was the owner that killed his dog.
They now know it was not his dog. So it seems it was an accident .
Maybe as someone had lent him a fast car he was also having a bit of a ride around on the way back from London. Maybe he had loud music on in the car, not everyone drives in silence . It was dark maybe he didn’t see the dog . Other stories on the internet seem to be saying ,the police have identified the dog and the owner is on holiday. Maybe the dog was in kennels. There for if the dog was out with the kennel workers it would have been with other dogs and on a long lead . Maybe the kennels are at fault for accidentally losing the dog , That could be why the police have changed their Original statement of saying it was the owner that killed his dog. They now know it was not his dog. So it seems it was an accident . a person
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10:57pm Wed 23 Nov 11

Simon the pieman says...

As Judge Judy would say in the United States. "If it doesn't make sense, it's probably not true."
As Judge Judy would say in the United States. "If it doesn't make sense, it's probably not true." Simon the pieman
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11:18pm Wed 23 Nov 11

Beckylouise says...

Didn't realize it was possible to have so many flaws in one statement.. you would have thought this "thing" and his gf would have had enough time to come up with at least a half believable excuse.. I won't repeat the reasons as they are all stated above, but seriously, if you think this "thing's" statement is genuine, then you know nothing about this area, or how to conduct a simple car check. My opinion of him still hasn't changed, he is cold, heartless and a completely gutless for leaving the animal and driving off.
Didn't realize it was possible to have so many flaws in one statement.. you would have thought this "thing" and his gf would have had enough time to come up with at least a half believable excuse.. I won't repeat the reasons as they are all stated above, but seriously, if you think this "thing's" statement is genuine, then you know nothing about this area, or how to conduct a simple car check. My opinion of him still hasn't changed, he is cold, heartless and a completely gutless for leaving the animal and driving off. Beckylouise
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11:19pm Wed 23 Nov 11

Beckylouise says...

^ and completely gutlesss*
^ and completely gutlesss* Beckylouise
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12:37am Thu 24 Nov 11

Minion says...

if he "didn't even realise it was a dog" (according to his solicitor), how could he have decided that "the dog was dead, there was nothing he could do for it" (according to his wife)?
if he "didn't even realise it was a dog" (according to his solicitor), how could he have decided that "the dog was dead, there was nothing he could do for it" (according to his wife)? Minion
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6:28am Thu 24 Nov 11

Wallsy1972 says...

He didnt know? yeah right...so your driving a 40k car that isnt yours and you hear strange noises, you think its the brakes so you carry on driving a high powered veichle, yeah right....lying thru his arse....string him up and let us stone him
He didnt know? yeah right...so your driving a 40k car that isnt yours and you hear strange noises, you think its the brakes so you carry on driving a high powered veichle, yeah right....lying thru his arse....string him up and let us stone him Wallsy1972
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6:36am Thu 24 Nov 11

jagiwatch says...

Complete rubbish - Tell the truth - Lock him up
Complete rubbish - Tell the truth - Lock him up jagiwatch
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7:25am Thu 24 Nov 11

bilko62 says...

This is quite tame, you should see what the baying mob in Worthing are saying on the Worthing Herald ! Remember, never let the facts spoil a good story.
This is quite tame, you should see what the baying mob in Worthing are saying on the Worthing Herald ! Remember, never let the facts spoil a good story. bilko62
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9:18am Thu 24 Nov 11

Andy R says...

Hopefully, all the people in this discussion who just "know" the man is lying and have all sorts of detailed explanations (many of which are more internally self-contradictory than his) will be giving their clearly first-hand witness statements to the police forthwith.

A lynch mob in 21st century cyberspace looks no more appealing than a real one in 1950's Alabama.
Hopefully, all the people in this discussion who just "know" the man is lying and have all sorts of detailed explanations (many of which are more internally self-contradictory than his) will be giving their clearly first-hand witness statements to the police forthwith. A lynch mob in 21st century cyberspace looks no more appealing than a real one in 1950's Alabama. Andy R
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9:47am Thu 24 Nov 11

Juleyanne says...

Something stinks about this. I agree with what others have said that it is extremely wierd to drive all the way to the Devils Dyke car park to use the loo, if your that desperate surely you would have either pulled in to one of many service stations on the way back from London or nipped behind a bush on route its odd! It isn't particularly clear whether this lead was a training lead which is the only one that would be that long and I have never seen a training lead made of chain!! The fact he eventually stopped after being flashed and hooted and got out thought 'oh whats that then' and said there was nothing I could do for the dog managed to untie it and did not even bother to take it to a vet to check it wasn't suffering and was definitely dead and drove off is sick and even more odd and highly questionable! He said he saw a dog whilst driving at night, well wouldn't any normal person pull over and try and help it? He also failed to notice it tied to his bumper whilst the car was stationery odd and admitted he had heard strange noises whilst driving and allegedly thought something was wrong with the car and looked and still missed it, no the whole thing is highly suspect yet to be proved. Anyway using the loo at the Devils Dyke car park I am not convinced he was there for that reason alone! I can only hope the police and RSPCA dig deep and get to the bottom of this tragic event and justice for the poor dog wins the day.
Something stinks about this. I agree with what others have said that it is extremely wierd to drive all the way to the Devils Dyke car park to use the loo, if your that desperate surely you would have either pulled in to one of many service stations on the way back from London or nipped behind a bush on route its odd! It isn't particularly clear whether this lead was a training lead which is the only one that would be that long and I have never seen a training lead made of chain!! The fact he eventually stopped after being flashed and hooted and got out thought 'oh whats that then' and said there was nothing I could do for the dog managed to untie it and did not even bother to take it to a vet to check it wasn't suffering and was definitely dead and drove off is sick and even more odd and highly questionable! He said he saw a dog whilst driving at night, well wouldn't any normal person pull over and try and help it? He also failed to notice it tied to his bumper whilst the car was stationery odd and admitted he had heard strange noises whilst driving and allegedly thought something was wrong with the car and looked and still missed it, no the whole thing is highly suspect yet to be proved. Anyway using the loo at the Devils Dyke car park I am not convinced he was there for that reason alone! I can only hope the police and RSPCA dig deep and get to the bottom of this tragic event and justice for the poor dog wins the day. Juleyanne
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9:55am Thu 24 Nov 11

AngelicDevil says...

Andy R wrote:
Hopefully, all the people in this discussion who just "know" the man is lying and have all sorts of detailed explanations (many of which are more internally self-contradictory than his) will be giving their clearly first-hand witness statements to the police forthwith. A lynch mob in 21st century cyberspace looks no more appealing than a real one in 1950's Alabama.
For once we are in absolute agreement.

I love how people are also assuming that just because the car is a convertible he *must* have had the roof down LOL

Facts people, facts.....
[quote][p][bold]Andy R[/bold] wrote: Hopefully, all the people in this discussion who just "know" the man is lying and have all sorts of detailed explanations (many of which are more internally self-contradictory than his) will be giving their clearly first-hand witness statements to the police forthwith. A lynch mob in 21st century cyberspace looks no more appealing than a real one in 1950's Alabama.[/p][/quote]For once we are in absolute agreement. I love how people are also assuming that just because the car is a convertible he *must* have had the roof down LOL Facts people, facts..... AngelicDevil
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10:11am Thu 24 Nov 11

plantwoman says...

If this is true then I really feel for the driver. However, I'd like to know what if anything has been done to find the owners of the poor dog.
If this is true then I really feel for the driver. However, I'd like to know what if anything has been done to find the owners of the poor dog. plantwoman
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10:24am Thu 24 Nov 11

puddingandpi says...

I do hope this is true as otherwise this man is a monster.
If it is true, I feel very sorry for the bloke, particularly with regard to all the hate mail & death threats.
I feel very sorry for the family of the dog & especially for the poor dog itself.
It doesn't seem to make sense that the lead became entangled, I really can't see how that could happen, but I am willing to keep an open mind until all the evidence has been heard.
I do hope this is true as otherwise this man is a monster. If it is true, I feel very sorry for the bloke, particularly with regard to all the hate mail & death threats. I feel very sorry for the family of the dog & especially for the poor dog itself. It doesn't seem to make sense that the lead became entangled, I really can't see how that could happen, but I am willing to keep an open mind until all the evidence has been heard. puddingandpi
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11:16am Thu 24 Nov 11

Mrs Newcastle says...

Do not pubs have CCTV cameras, would then this not back up his story that he only went to the pub to use the toilet??? My six sense which is not based on facts or evidence makes me feel that this guy is protecting someone.
Do not pubs have CCTV cameras, would then this not back up his story that he only went to the pub to use the toilet??? My six sense which is not based on facts or evidence makes me feel that this guy is protecting someone. Mrs Newcastle
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11:23am Thu 24 Nov 11

andyvanman says...

I am a dog owner and am horrified by the suffering this animal must have experienced. However, people need to calm down a little bit and realise that dogs are the responsibility of their owners or guardians, and drivers should not be held at fault or demonised if an animal strays into the road and is killed or injured. What would everyone be saying if he had been driving over the Dyke, minding his own business, when the dog ran out in front of him causing him to swerve and be injured or even killed? Probably a tirade of abuse against dog owners. It has been suggested that he had no reason to be up on Devil's Dyke to 'go to the loo', but maybe he pulled off the A27 at the Dyke junction and just drove a few minutes to find somewhere to pull over? Or maybe he was just taking the Porsche for a bit of a spin? I love taking my girlfriend's Mini for a legal blast round the Dyke late at night, doesn't mean that I am speeding just that there is no-one to get stuck behind and I can enjoy the twisty and hilly roads. Whilst concentrating on driving, or with loud music playing (which personally I can't stand), it is more than feasible for something to become snagged on part of the car. I see cases everyday of people driving about oblivious to something that is wrong with their car or driving, including people driving along the unlit A27 with only side-lights on! If people don't realise that they are unlikely to notice anything attached to or dragging behind their car.
Sussex Police posted a picture of the lead on Twitter yesterday, and it certainly isn't a chain lead. You can clearly tell it is a long, black lead and unless the driver performed an emergency stop when pulling over to check the brakes (unlikely, considering his concerns), the by-now deceased animal would have been trailing some distance behind the car.
I know this is what happens on the internet - massive over-reactions by people blindly assuming they know everything, but people need to put things into perspective. Judging by the majority of online comments there are a fair few nutters in the B&H area, but seriously would anyone be crazy enough to try and kill someone else's dog by purposely tying it to the back of a '£40k Porsche' and then drive along one THE main trunk road along the South Coast?
I hope the facts are established and I hope it was a dreadful accident. If it does turn out to be something more sinister (which I doubt as it has already been established it wasn't his animal) then the appropriate action will be taken by the relevant authorities.
Essay done.
I am a dog owner and am horrified by the suffering this animal must have experienced. However, people need to calm down a little bit and realise that dogs are the responsibility of their owners or guardians, and drivers should not be held at fault or demonised if an animal strays into the road and is killed or injured. What would everyone be saying if he had been driving over the Dyke, minding his own business, when the dog ran out in front of him causing him to swerve and be injured or even killed? Probably a tirade of abuse against dog owners. It has been suggested that he had no reason to be up on Devil's Dyke to 'go to the loo', but maybe he pulled off the A27 at the Dyke junction and just drove a few minutes to find somewhere to pull over? Or maybe he was just taking the Porsche for a bit of a spin? I love taking my girlfriend's Mini for a legal blast round the Dyke late at night, doesn't mean that I am speeding just that there is no-one to get stuck behind and I can enjoy the twisty and hilly roads. Whilst concentrating on driving, or with loud music playing (which personally I can't stand), it is more than feasible for something to become snagged on part of the car. I see cases everyday of people driving about oblivious to something that is wrong with their car or driving, including people driving along the unlit A27 with only side-lights on! If people don't realise that they are unlikely to notice anything attached to or dragging behind their car. Sussex Police posted a picture of the lead on Twitter yesterday, and it certainly isn't a chain lead. You can clearly tell it is a long, black lead and unless the driver performed an emergency stop when pulling over to check the brakes (unlikely, considering his concerns), the by-now deceased animal would have been trailing some distance behind the car. I know this is what happens on the internet - massive over-reactions by people blindly assuming they know everything, but people need to put things into perspective. Judging by the majority of online comments there are a fair few nutters in the B&H area, but seriously would anyone be crazy enough to try and kill someone else's dog by purposely tying it to the back of a '£40k Porsche' and then drive along one THE main trunk road along the South Coast? I hope the facts are established and I hope it was a dreadful accident. If it does turn out to be something more sinister (which I doubt as it has already been established it wasn't his animal) then the appropriate action will be taken by the relevant authorities. Essay done. andyvanman
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11:42am Thu 24 Nov 11

Cabin fever says...

andyvanman wrote:
I am a dog owner and am horrified by the suffering this animal must have experienced. However, people need to calm down a little bit and realise that dogs are the responsibility of their owners or guardians, and drivers should not be held at fault or demonised if an animal strays into the road and is killed or injured. What would everyone be saying if he had been driving over the Dyke, minding his own business, when the dog ran out in front of him causing him to swerve and be injured or even killed? Probably a tirade of abuse against dog owners. It has been suggested that he had no reason to be up on Devil's Dyke to 'go to the loo', but maybe he pulled off the A27 at the Dyke junction and just drove a few minutes to find somewhere to pull over? Or maybe he was just taking the Porsche for a bit of a spin? I love taking my girlfriend's Mini for a legal blast round the Dyke late at night, doesn't mean that I am speeding just that there is no-one to get stuck behind and I can enjoy the twisty and hilly roads. Whilst concentrating on driving, or with loud music playing (which personally I can't stand), it is more than feasible for something to become snagged on part of the car. I see cases everyday of people driving about oblivious to something that is wrong with their car or driving, including people driving along the unlit A27 with only side-lights on! If people don't realise that they are unlikely to notice anything attached to or dragging behind their car.
Sussex Police posted a picture of the lead on Twitter yesterday, and it certainly isn't a chain lead. You can clearly tell it is a long, black lead and unless the driver performed an emergency stop when pulling over to check the brakes (unlikely, considering his concerns), the by-now deceased animal would have been trailing some distance behind the car.
I know this is what happens on the internet - massive over-reactions by people blindly assuming they know everything, but people need to put things into perspective. Judging by the majority of online comments there are a fair few nutters in the B&H area, but seriously would anyone be crazy enough to try and kill someone else's dog by purposely tying it to the back of a '£40k Porsche' and then drive along one THE main trunk road along the South Coast?
I hope the facts are established and I hope it was a dreadful accident. If it does turn out to be something more sinister (which I doubt as it has already been established it wasn't his animal) then the appropriate action will be taken by the relevant authorities.
Essay done.
What an excellent, excellent post. Thank you for bringing some sensible points to the thread.
[quote][p][bold]andyvanman[/bold] wrote: I am a dog owner and am horrified by the suffering this animal must have experienced. However, people need to calm down a little bit and realise that dogs are the responsibility of their owners or guardians, and drivers should not be held at fault or demonised if an animal strays into the road and is killed or injured. What would everyone be saying if he had been driving over the Dyke, minding his own business, when the dog ran out in front of him causing him to swerve and be injured or even killed? Probably a tirade of abuse against dog owners. It has been suggested that he had no reason to be up on Devil's Dyke to 'go to the loo', but maybe he pulled off the A27 at the Dyke junction and just drove a few minutes to find somewhere to pull over? Or maybe he was just taking the Porsche for a bit of a spin? I love taking my girlfriend's Mini for a legal blast round the Dyke late at night, doesn't mean that I am speeding just that there is no-one to get stuck behind and I can enjoy the twisty and hilly roads. Whilst concentrating on driving, or with loud music playing (which personally I can't stand), it is more than feasible for something to become snagged on part of the car. I see cases everyday of people driving about oblivious to something that is wrong with their car or driving, including people driving along the unlit A27 with only side-lights on! If people don't realise that they are unlikely to notice anything attached to or dragging behind their car. Sussex Police posted a picture of the lead on Twitter yesterday, and it certainly isn't a chain lead. You can clearly tell it is a long, black lead and unless the driver performed an emergency stop when pulling over to check the brakes (unlikely, considering his concerns), the by-now deceased animal would have been trailing some distance behind the car. I know this is what happens on the internet - massive over-reactions by people blindly assuming they know everything, but people need to put things into perspective. Judging by the majority of online comments there are a fair few nutters in the B&H area, but seriously would anyone be crazy enough to try and kill someone else's dog by purposely tying it to the back of a '£40k Porsche' and then drive along one THE main trunk road along the South Coast? I hope the facts are established and I hope it was a dreadful accident. If it does turn out to be something more sinister (which I doubt as it has already been established it wasn't his animal) then the appropriate action will be taken by the relevant authorities. Essay done.[/p][/quote]What an excellent, excellent post. Thank you for bringing some sensible points to the thread. Cabin fever
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11:56am Thu 24 Nov 11

Tailgaters Anonymous says...

In 46 years driving on UK roads, covering something like 1m miles I have never witnessed a dog, cat, sheep, goat, etc., 'accidentally' caught by a four-wheeled vehicle. I have seen dogs pulling bicycles or being 'walked' by their owner.
Despite all the trite contributions above I doubt any have ever looked under a car as they would find the configuration of all vehicles is designed to prevent road matter becoming ensnared!
Clearly the police and RSPCA will look carefully into this as carefully as then must!
In 46 years driving on UK roads, covering something like 1m miles I have never witnessed a dog, cat, sheep, goat, etc., 'accidentally' caught by a four-wheeled vehicle. I have seen dogs pulling bicycles or being 'walked' by their owner. Despite all the trite contributions above I doubt any have ever looked under a car as they would find the configuration of all vehicles is designed to prevent road matter becoming ensnared! Clearly the police and RSPCA will look carefully into this as carefully as then must! Tailgaters Anonymous
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12:15pm Thu 24 Nov 11

Brighton_Belle says...

Woah.... conspiracy theories a-go-go!

I don't see what difference it makes that he was up at Devil's Dyke - there is more than one way from London to Worthing and I really don't see why people think that's suspicious - it wasn't necessairily out of his way depending on the route he was taking. I'd chuck a Porche around country roads too if I had the chance, much more enjoyable than the main roads.

Accident or not, the threats being made against this man are appalling. Two wrongs do not a right make.

Personally I am waiting for the actual judgement rather than jumping on the bandwagon. I hope it was an accident.
Woah.... conspiracy theories a-go-go! I don't see what difference it makes that he was up at Devil's Dyke - there is more than one way from London to Worthing and I really don't see why people think that's suspicious - it wasn't necessairily out of his way depending on the route he was taking. I'd chuck a Porche around country roads too if I had the chance, much more enjoyable than the main roads. Accident or not, the threats being made against this man are appalling. Two wrongs do not a right make. Personally I am waiting for the actual judgement rather than jumping on the bandwagon. I hope it was an accident. Brighton_Belle
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12:22pm Thu 24 Nov 11

Valerie Paynter says...

Morpheus wrote:
Wasn't there another case where dogs had been tied to a car and then another person drove off not realising it. I'm inclined to believe the man's statement.
I'm inclined to believe he read the same sad story you did and remembered it.....
[quote][p][bold]Morpheus[/bold] wrote: Wasn't there another case where dogs had been tied to a car and then another person drove off not realising it. I'm inclined to believe the man's statement.[/p][/quote]I'm inclined to believe he read the same sad story you did and remembered it..... Valerie Paynter
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12:22pm Thu 24 Nov 11

Valerie Paynter says...

Morpheus wrote:
Wasn't there another case where dogs had been tied to a car and then another person drove off not realising it. I'm inclined to believe the man's statement.
I'm inclined to believe he read the same sad story you did and remembered it.....
[quote][p][bold]Morpheus[/bold] wrote: Wasn't there another case where dogs had been tied to a car and then another person drove off not realising it. I'm inclined to believe the man's statement.[/p][/quote]I'm inclined to believe he read the same sad story you did and remembered it..... Valerie Paynter
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12:30pm Thu 24 Nov 11

Valerie Paynter says...

Cabin fever wrote:
andyvanman wrote: I am a dog owner and am horrified by the suffering this animal must have experienced. However, people need to calm down a little bit and realise that dogs are the responsibility of their owners or guardians, and drivers should not be held at fault or demonised if an animal strays into the road and is killed or injured. What would everyone be saying if he had been driving over the Dyke, minding his own business, when the dog ran out in front of him causing him to swerve and be injured or even killed? Probably a tirade of abuse against dog owners. It has been suggested that he had no reason to be up on Devil's Dyke to 'go to the loo', but maybe he pulled off the A27 at the Dyke junction and just drove a few minutes to find somewhere to pull over? Or maybe he was just taking the Porsche for a bit of a spin? I love taking my girlfriend's Mini for a legal blast round the Dyke late at night, doesn't mean that I am speeding just that there is no-one to get stuck behind and I can enjoy the twisty and hilly roads. Whilst concentrating on driving, or with loud music playing (which personally I can't stand), it is more than feasible for something to become snagged on part of the car. I see cases everyday of people driving about oblivious to something that is wrong with their car or driving, including people driving along the unlit A27 with only side-lights on! If people don't realise that they are unlikely to notice anything attached to or dragging behind their car. Sussex Police posted a picture of the lead on Twitter yesterday, and it certainly isn't a chain lead. You can clearly tell it is a long, black lead and unless the driver performed an emergency stop when pulling over to check the brakes (unlikely, considering his concerns), the by-now deceased animal would have been trailing some distance behind the car. I know this is what happens on the internet - massive over-reactions by people blindly assuming they know everything, but people need to put things into perspective. Judging by the majority of online comments there are a fair few nutters in the B&H area, but seriously would anyone be crazy enough to try and kill someone else's dog by purposely tying it to the back of a '£40k Porsche' and then drive along one THE main trunk road along the South Coast? I hope the facts are established and I hope it was a dreadful accident. If it does turn out to be something more sinister (which I doubt as it has already been established it wasn't his animal) then the appropriate action will be taken by the relevant authorities. Essay done.
What an excellent, excellent post. Thank you for bringing some sensible points to the thread.
This is not an excellent post. It shows there are idiots out there that don't give a toss for the wildlife (deer, fox, badgers, etc.) that live around the Dyke and its hilly roads where this moron takes his girlfriend's mini for "a legal blast round the Dyke late at night" - not to mention any hikers or travellers who just might like a late night ramble round those hilly roads too.
[quote][p][bold]Cabin fever[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andyvanman[/bold] wrote: I am a dog owner and am horrified by the suffering this animal must have experienced. However, people need to calm down a little bit and realise that dogs are the responsibility of their owners or guardians, and drivers should not be held at fault or demonised if an animal strays into the road and is killed or injured. What would everyone be saying if he had been driving over the Dyke, minding his own business, when the dog ran out in front of him causing him to swerve and be injured or even killed? Probably a tirade of abuse against dog owners. It has been suggested that he had no reason to be up on Devil's Dyke to 'go to the loo', but maybe he pulled off the A27 at the Dyke junction and just drove a few minutes to find somewhere to pull over? Or maybe he was just taking the Porsche for a bit of a spin? I love taking my girlfriend's Mini for a legal blast round the Dyke late at night, doesn't mean that I am speeding just that there is no-one to get stuck behind and I can enjoy the twisty and hilly roads. Whilst concentrating on driving, or with loud music playing (which personally I can't stand), it is more than feasible for something to become snagged on part of the car. I see cases everyday of people driving about oblivious to something that is wrong with their car or driving, including people driving along the unlit A27 with only side-lights on! If people don't realise that they are unlikely to notice anything attached to or dragging behind their car. Sussex Police posted a picture of the lead on Twitter yesterday, and it certainly isn't a chain lead. You can clearly tell it is a long, black lead and unless the driver performed an emergency stop when pulling over to check the brakes (unlikely, considering his concerns), the by-now deceased animal would have been trailing some distance behind the car. I know this is what happens on the internet - massive over-reactions by people blindly assuming they know everything, but people need to put things into perspective. Judging by the majority of online comments there are a fair few nutters in the B&H area, but seriously would anyone be crazy enough to try and kill someone else's dog by purposely tying it to the back of a '£40k Porsche' and then drive along one THE main trunk road along the South Coast? I hope the facts are established and I hope it was a dreadful accident. If it does turn out to be something more sinister (which I doubt as it has already been established it wasn't his animal) then the appropriate action will be taken by the relevant authorities. Essay done.[/p][/quote]What an excellent, excellent post. Thank you for bringing some sensible points to the thread.[/p][/quote]This is not an excellent post. It shows there are idiots out there that don't give a toss for the wildlife (deer, fox, badgers, etc.) that live around the Dyke and its hilly roads where this moron takes his girlfriend's mini for "a legal blast round the Dyke late at night" - not to mention any hikers or travellers who just might like a late night ramble round those hilly roads too. Valerie Paynter
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12:34pm Thu 24 Nov 11

Brighton_Belle says...

Valerie Paynter wrote:
Cabin fever wrote:
andyvanman wrote: I am a dog owner and am horrified by the suffering this animal must have experienced. However, people need to calm down a little bit and realise that dogs are the responsibility of their owners or guardians, and drivers should not be held at fault or demonised if an animal strays into the road and is killed or injured. What would everyone be saying if he had been driving over the Dyke, minding his own business, when the dog ran out in front of him causing him to swerve and be injured or even killed? Probably a tirade of abuse against dog owners. It has been suggested that he had no reason to be up on Devil's Dyke to 'go to the loo', but maybe he pulled off the A27 at the Dyke junction and just drove a few minutes to find somewhere to pull over? Or maybe he was just taking the Porsche for a bit of a spin? I love taking my girlfriend's Mini for a legal blast round the Dyke late at night, doesn't mean that I am speeding just that there is no-one to get stuck behind and I can enjoy the twisty and hilly roads. Whilst concentrating on driving, or with loud music playing (which personally I can't stand), it is more than feasible for something to become snagged on part of the car. I see cases everyday of people driving about oblivious to something that is wrong with their car or driving, including people driving along the unlit A27 with only side-lights on! If people don't realise that they are unlikely to notice anything attached to or dragging behind their car. Sussex Police posted a picture of the lead on Twitter yesterday, and it certainly isn't a chain lead. You can clearly tell it is a long, black lead and unless the driver performed an emergency stop when pulling over to check the brakes (unlikely, considering his concerns), the by-now deceased animal would have been trailing some distance behind the car. I know this is what happens on the internet - massive over-reactions by people blindly assuming they know everything, but people need to put things into perspective. Judging by the majority of online comments there are a fair few nutters in the B&H area, but seriously would anyone be crazy enough to try and kill someone else's dog by purposely tying it to the back of a '£40k Porsche' and then drive along one THE main trunk road along the South Coast? I hope the facts are established and I hope it was a dreadful accident. If it does turn out to be something more sinister (which I doubt as it has already been established it wasn't his animal) then the appropriate action will be taken by the relevant authorities. Essay done.
What an excellent, excellent post. Thank you for bringing some sensible points to the thread.
This is not an excellent post. It shows there are idiots out there that don't give a toss for the wildlife (deer, fox, badgers, etc.) that live around the Dyke and its hilly roads where this moron takes his girlfriend's mini for "a legal blast round the Dyke late at night" - not to mention any hikers or travellers who just might like a late night ramble round those hilly roads too.
Massive assumption to make there Valerie - have you spoken to the poster and confirmed that they indeed don't "give a toss for the wildlife" or are you in fact drawing your own conclusions from the post and putting words into the poster's mouth?
[quote][p][bold]Valerie Paynter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cabin fever[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andyvanman[/bold] wrote: I am a dog owner and am horrified by the suffering this animal must have experienced. However, people need to calm down a little bit and realise that dogs are the responsibility of their owners or guardians, and drivers should not be held at fault or demonised if an animal strays into the road and is killed or injured. What would everyone be saying if he had been driving over the Dyke, minding his own business, when the dog ran out in front of him causing him to swerve and be injured or even killed? Probably a tirade of abuse against dog owners. It has been suggested that he had no reason to be up on Devil's Dyke to 'go to the loo', but maybe he pulled off the A27 at the Dyke junction and just drove a few minutes to find somewhere to pull over? Or maybe he was just taking the Porsche for a bit of a spin? I love taking my girlfriend's Mini for a legal blast round the Dyke late at night, doesn't mean that I am speeding just that there is no-one to get stuck behind and I can enjoy the twisty and hilly roads. Whilst concentrating on driving, or with loud music playing (which personally I can't stand), it is more than feasible for something to become snagged on part of the car. I see cases everyday of people driving about oblivious to something that is wrong with their car or driving, including people driving along the unlit A27 with only side-lights on! If people don't realise that they are unlikely to notice anything attached to or dragging behind their car. Sussex Police posted a picture of the lead on Twitter yesterday, and it certainly isn't a chain lead. You can clearly tell it is a long, black lead and unless the driver performed an emergency stop when pulling over to check the brakes (unlikely, considering his concerns), the by-now deceased animal would have been trailing some distance behind the car. I know this is what happens on the internet - massive over-reactions by people blindly assuming they know everything, but people need to put things into perspective. Judging by the majority of online comments there are a fair few nutters in the B&H area, but seriously would anyone be crazy enough to try and kill someone else's dog by purposely tying it to the back of a '£40k Porsche' and then drive along one THE main trunk road along the South Coast? I hope the facts are established and I hope it was a dreadful accident. If it does turn out to be something more sinister (which I doubt as it has already been established it wasn't his animal) then the appropriate action will be taken by the relevant authorities. Essay done.[/p][/quote]What an excellent, excellent post. Thank you for bringing some sensible points to the thread.[/p][/quote]This is not an excellent post. It shows there are idiots out there that don't give a toss for the wildlife (deer, fox, badgers, etc.) that live around the Dyke and its hilly roads where this moron takes his girlfriend's mini for "a legal blast round the Dyke late at night" - not to mention any hikers or travellers who just might like a late night ramble round those hilly roads too.[/p][/quote]Massive assumption to make there Valerie - have you spoken to the poster and confirmed that they indeed don't "give a toss for the wildlife" or are you in fact drawing your own conclusions from the post and putting words into the poster's mouth? Brighton_Belle
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12:36pm Thu 24 Nov 11

Valerie Paynter says...

I hope they breathalysed him and took blood for testing.....
I hope they breathalysed him and took blood for testing..... Valerie Paynter
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2:05pm Thu 24 Nov 11

Cabin fever says...

Valerie Paynter wrote:
Cabin fever wrote:
andyvanman wrote: I am a dog owner and am horrified by the suffering this animal must have experienced. However, people need to calm down a little bit and realise that dogs are the responsibility of their owners or guardians, and drivers should not be held at fault or demonised if an animal strays into the road and is killed or injured. What would everyone be saying if he had been driving over the Dyke, minding his own business, when the dog ran out in front of him causing him to swerve and be injured or even killed? Probably a tirade of abuse against dog owners. It has been suggested that he had no reason to be up on Devil's Dyke to 'go to the loo', but maybe he pulled off the A27 at the Dyke junction and just drove a few minutes to find somewhere to pull over? Or maybe he was just taking the Porsche for a bit of a spin? I love taking my girlfriend's Mini for a legal blast round the Dyke late at night, doesn't mean that I am speeding just that there is no-one to get stuck behind and I can enjoy the twisty and hilly roads. Whilst concentrating on driving, or with loud music playing (which personally I can't stand), it is more than feasible for something to become snagged on part of the car. I see cases everyday of people driving about oblivious to something that is wrong with their car or driving, including people driving along the unlit A27 with only side-lights on! If people don't realise that they are unlikely to notice anything attached to or dragging behind their car. Sussex Police posted a picture of the lead on Twitter yesterday, and it certainly isn't a chain lead. You can clearly tell it is a long, black lead and unless the driver performed an emergency stop when pulling over to check the brakes (unlikely, considering his concerns), the by-now deceased animal would have been trailing some distance behind the car. I know this is what happens on the internet - massive over-reactions by people blindly assuming they know everything, but people need to put things into perspective. Judging by the majority of online comments there are a fair few nutters in the B&H area, but seriously would anyone be crazy enough to try and kill someone else's dog by purposely tying it to the back of a '£40k Porsche' and then drive along one THE main trunk road along the South Coast? I hope the facts are established and I hope it was a dreadful accident. If it does turn out to be something more sinister (which I doubt as it has already been established it wasn't his animal) then the appropriate action will be taken by the relevant authorities. Essay done.
What an excellent, excellent post. Thank you for bringing some sensible points to the thread.
This is not an excellent post. It shows there are idiots out there that don't give a toss for the wildlife (deer, fox, badgers, etc.) that live around the Dyke and its hilly roads where this moron takes his girlfriend's mini for "a legal blast round the Dyke late at night" - not to mention any hikers or travellers who just might like a late night ramble round those hilly roads too.
Followed by a stupid one! Oh dear...

I honestly cannot be bothered to warrant it with a decent response, but what it does show that there are "idiots out there" that jump to conclusions without knowing many of the facts.
[quote][p][bold]Valerie Paynter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cabin fever[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andyvanman[/bold] wrote: I am a dog owner and am horrified by the suffering this animal must have experienced. However, people need to calm down a little bit and realise that dogs are the responsibility of their owners or guardians, and drivers should not be held at fault or demonised if an animal strays into the road and is killed or injured. What would everyone be saying if he had been driving over the Dyke, minding his own business, when the dog ran out in front of him causing him to swerve and be injured or even killed? Probably a tirade of abuse against dog owners. It has been suggested that he had no reason to be up on Devil's Dyke to 'go to the loo', but maybe he pulled off the A27 at the Dyke junction and just drove a few minutes to find somewhere to pull over? Or maybe he was just taking the Porsche for a bit of a spin? I love taking my girlfriend's Mini for a legal blast round the Dyke late at night, doesn't mean that I am speeding just that there is no-one to get stuck behind and I can enjoy the twisty and hilly roads. Whilst concentrating on driving, or with loud music playing (which personally I can't stand), it is more than feasible for something to become snagged on part of the car. I see cases everyday of people driving about oblivious to something that is wrong with their car or driving, including people driving along the unlit A27 with only side-lights on! If people don't realise that they are unlikely to notice anything attached to or dragging behind their car. Sussex Police posted a picture of the lead on Twitter yesterday, and it certainly isn't a chain lead. You can clearly tell it is a long, black lead and unless the driver performed an emergency stop when pulling over to check the brakes (unlikely, considering his concerns), the by-now deceased animal would have been trailing some distance behind the car. I know this is what happens on the internet - massive over-reactions by people blindly assuming they know everything, but people need to put things into perspective. Judging by the majority of online comments there are a fair few nutters in the B&H area, but seriously would anyone be crazy enough to try and kill someone else's dog by purposely tying it to the back of a '£40k Porsche' and then drive along one THE main trunk road along the South Coast? I hope the facts are established and I hope it was a dreadful accident. If it does turn out to be something more sinister (which I doubt as it has already been established it wasn't his animal) then the appropriate action will be taken by the relevant authorities. Essay done.[/p][/quote]What an excellent, excellent post. Thank you for bringing some sensible points to the thread.[/p][/quote]This is not an excellent post. It shows there are idiots out there that don't give a toss for the wildlife (deer, fox, badgers, etc.) that live around the Dyke and its hilly roads where this moron takes his girlfriend's mini for "a legal blast round the Dyke late at night" - not to mention any hikers or travellers who just might like a late night ramble round those hilly roads too.[/p][/quote]Followed by a stupid one! Oh dear... I honestly cannot be bothered to warrant it with a decent response, but what it does show that there are "idiots out there" that jump to conclusions without knowing many of the facts. Cabin fever
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2:15pm Thu 24 Nov 11

AngelicDevil says...

Valerie Paynter wrote:
Cabin fever wrote:
andyvanman wrote: I am a dog owner and am horrified by the suffering this animal must have experienced. However, people need to calm down a little bit and realise that dogs are the responsibility of their owners or guardians, and drivers should not be held at fault or demonised if an animal strays into the road and is killed or injured. What would everyone be saying if he had been driving over the Dyke, minding his own business, when the dog ran out in front of him causing him to swerve and be injured or even killed? Probably a tirade of abuse against dog owners. It has been suggested that he had no reason to be up on Devil's Dyke to 'go to the loo', but maybe he pulled off the A27 at the Dyke junction and just drove a few minutes to find somewhere to pull over? Or maybe he was just taking the Porsche for a bit of a spin? I love taking my girlfriend's Mini for a legal blast round the Dyke late at night, doesn't mean that I am speeding just that there is no-one to get stuck behind and I can enjoy the twisty and hilly roads. Whilst concentrating on driving, or with loud music playing (which personally I can't stand), it is more than feasible for something to become snagged on part of the car. I see cases everyday of people driving about oblivious to something that is wrong with their car or driving, including people driving along the unlit A27 with only side-lights on! If people don't realise that they are unlikely to notice anything attached to or dragging behind their car. Sussex Police posted a picture of the lead on Twitter yesterday, and it certainly isn't a chain lead. You can clearly tell it is a long, black lead and unless the driver performed an emergency stop when pulling over to check the brakes (unlikely, considering his concerns), the by-now deceased animal would have been trailing some distance behind the car. I know this is what happens on the internet - massive over-reactions by people blindly assuming they know everything, but people need to put things into perspective. Judging by the majority of online comments there are a fair few nutters in the B&H area, but seriously would anyone be crazy enough to try and kill someone else's dog by purposely tying it to the back of a '£40k Porsche' and then drive along one THE main trunk road along the South Coast? I hope the facts are established and I hope it was a dreadful accident. If it does turn out to be something more sinister (which I doubt as it has already been established it wasn't his animal) then the appropriate action will be taken by the relevant authorities. Essay done.
What an excellent, excellent post. Thank you for bringing some sensible points to the thread.
This is not an excellent post. It shows there are idiots out there that don't give a toss for the wildlife (deer, fox, badgers, etc.) that live around the Dyke and its hilly roads where this moron takes his girlfriend's mini for "a legal blast round the Dyke late at night" - not to mention any hikers or travellers who just might like a late night ramble round those hilly roads too.
What a ridiculous comment, Valerie!

You've just assumed that because someone ACCIDENTLY hits an animal whilst driving they "don't give a toss for wildlife".

I'm sorry, but I don't know anyone who would go out for a drive in expensive machinery and purposefully aim for deer/rabbits/pheasan
ts etc. They do A LOT of damage and can indeed kill you, yourself.

These things are ACCIDENTS because wildlife has a mind of it's own and often just darts out of nowhere.

There seem to be a lot of nutters about who simply can't comprehend that people have ACCIDENTS.

Tailgaters Anonymous: Just because you haven't seen something doesn't mean it doesn't happen! As Morpheus pointed out, this type of incident has happened once already this year.

Next you'll be saying r-a-p-e doesn't happen because "you've never seen it".

Daft.
[quote][p][bold]Valerie Paynter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cabin fever[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andyvanman[/bold] wrote: I am a dog owner and am horrified by the suffering this animal must have experienced. However, people need to calm down a little bit and realise that dogs are the responsibility of their owners or guardians, and drivers should not be held at fault or demonised if an animal strays into the road and is killed or injured. What would everyone be saying if he had been driving over the Dyke, minding his own business, when the dog ran out in front of him causing him to swerve and be injured or even killed? Probably a tirade of abuse against dog owners. It has been suggested that he had no reason to be up on Devil's Dyke to 'go to the loo', but maybe he pulled off the A27 at the Dyke junction and just drove a few minutes to find somewhere to pull over? Or maybe he was just taking the Porsche for a bit of a spin? I love taking my girlfriend's Mini for a legal blast round the Dyke late at night, doesn't mean that I am speeding just that there is no-one to get stuck behind and I can enjoy the twisty and hilly roads. Whilst concentrating on driving, or with loud music playing (which personally I can't stand), it is more than feasible for something to become snagged on part of the car. I see cases everyday of people driving about oblivious to something that is wrong with their car or driving, including people driving along the unlit A27 with only side-lights on! If people don't realise that they are unlikely to notice anything attached to or dragging behind their car. Sussex Police posted a picture of the lead on Twitter yesterday, and it certainly isn't a chain lead. You can clearly tell it is a long, black lead and unless the driver performed an emergency stop when pulling over to check the brakes (unlikely, considering his concerns), the by-now deceased animal would have been trailing some distance behind the car. I know this is what happens on the internet - massive over-reactions by people blindly assuming they know everything, but people need to put things into perspective. Judging by the majority of online comments there are a fair few nutters in the B&H area, but seriously would anyone be crazy enough to try and kill someone else's dog by purposely tying it to the back of a '£40k Porsche' and then drive along one THE main trunk road along the South Coast? I hope the facts are established and I hope it was a dreadful accident. If it does turn out to be something more sinister (which I doubt as it has already been established it wasn't his animal) then the appropriate action will be taken by the relevant authorities. Essay done.[/p][/quote]What an excellent, excellent post. Thank you for bringing some sensible points to the thread.[/p][/quote]This is not an excellent post. It shows there are idiots out there that don't give a toss for the wildlife (deer, fox, badgers, etc.) that live around the Dyke and its hilly roads where this moron takes his girlfriend's mini for "a legal blast round the Dyke late at night" - not to mention any hikers or travellers who just might like a late night ramble round those hilly roads too.[/p][/quote]What a ridiculous comment, Valerie! You've just assumed that because someone ACCIDENTLY hits an animal whilst driving they "don't give a toss for wildlife". I'm sorry, but I don't know anyone who would go out for a drive in expensive machinery and purposefully aim for deer/rabbits/pheasan ts etc. They do A LOT of damage and can indeed kill you, yourself. These things are ACCIDENTS because wildlife has a mind of it's own and often just darts out of nowhere. There seem to be a lot of nutters about who simply can't comprehend that people have ACCIDENTS. Tailgaters Anonymous: Just because you haven't seen something doesn't mean it doesn't happen! As Morpheus pointed out, this type of incident has happened once already this year. Next you'll be saying r-a-p-e doesn't happen because "you've never seen it". Daft. AngelicDevil
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5:01pm Thu 24 Nov 11

mr punch says...

This tory gets nore strange by the minute. Who in their right mind would tie a dog to their car and drive around a main road without thinking they would be spotted? Maybe in Belgium they don't have to report such an incident, you don't have to report running over a cat or rabbit do you?
This whole thing is horrible for everyone involved but naming his wife was a bit dumb because, innocent or not, people will feel a right to vent their fury. To me none of it makes sense or adds up and I honestly hope that it was an accident and not a deliberate act.
This tory gets nore strange by the minute. Who in their right mind would tie a dog to their car and drive around a main road without thinking they would be spotted? Maybe in Belgium they don't have to report such an incident, you don't have to report running over a cat or rabbit do you? This whole thing is horrible for everyone involved but naming his wife was a bit dumb because, innocent or not, people will feel a right to vent their fury. To me none of it makes sense or adds up and I honestly hope that it was an accident and not a deliberate act. mr punch
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5:23pm Thu 24 Nov 11

micky adams says...

The butler did it!
The butler did it! micky adams
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6:18pm Thu 24 Nov 11

bilko62 says...

mr punch wrote:
This tory gets nore strange by the minute. Who in their right mind would tie a dog to their car and drive around a main road without thinking they would be spotted? Maybe in Belgium they don't have to report such an incident, you don't have to report running over a cat or rabbit do you?
This whole thing is horrible for everyone involved but naming his wife was a bit dumb because, innocent or not, people will feel a right to vent their fury. To me none of it makes sense or adds up and I honestly hope that it was an accident and not a deliberate act.
Haven't you noticed ? All the local papers are short of proper news. It may also help your judgement if you looked at Hohnstones Press share prices - they could go broke tomorrow morning ! Any story will do - we must stimulate those stupid members of the public ! However, the Argus has reported this better than those clods in Worthing Herald, They will only be happy when a potentially innocent person is attacked by ill educated cretins.
[quote][p][bold]mr punch[/bold] wrote: This tory gets nore strange by the minute. Who in their right mind would tie a dog to their car and drive around a main road without thinking they would be spotted? Maybe in Belgium they don't have to report such an incident, you don't have to report running over a cat or rabbit do you? This whole thing is horrible for everyone involved but naming his wife was a bit dumb because, innocent or not, people will feel a right to vent their fury. To me none of it makes sense or adds up and I honestly hope that it was an accident and not a deliberate act.[/p][/quote]Haven't you noticed ? All the local papers are short of proper news. It may also help your judgement if you looked at Hohnstones Press share prices - they could go broke tomorrow morning ! Any story will do - we must stimulate those stupid members of the public ! However, the Argus has reported this better than those clods in Worthing Herald, They will only be happy when a potentially innocent person is attacked by ill educated cretins. bilko62
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7:41pm Thu 24 Nov 11

mr punch says...

bilko62 wrote:
mr punch wrote: This tory gets nore strange by the minute. Who in their right mind would tie a dog to their car and drive around a main road without thinking they would be spotted? Maybe in Belgium they don't have to report such an incident, you don't have to report running over a cat or rabbit do you? This whole thing is horrible for everyone involved but naming his wife was a bit dumb because, innocent or not, people will feel a right to vent their fury. To me none of it makes sense or adds up and I honestly hope that it was an accident and not a deliberate act.
Haven't you noticed ? All the local papers are short of proper news. It may also help your judgement if you looked at Hohnstones Press share prices - they could go broke tomorrow morning ! Any story will do - we must stimulate those stupid members of the public ! However, the Argus has reported this better than those clods in Worthing Herald, They will only be happy when a potentially innocent person is attacked by ill educated cretins.
Good answer.
The Worthing Herald just runs second hand stories amongst the adverts and doesn't really qualify as a newspaper at all.
[quote][p][bold]bilko62[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mr punch[/bold] wrote: This tory gets nore strange by the minute. Who in their right mind would tie a dog to their car and drive around a main road without thinking they would be spotted? Maybe in Belgium they don't have to report such an incident, you don't have to report running over a cat or rabbit do you? This whole thing is horrible for everyone involved but naming his wife was a bit dumb because, innocent or not, people will feel a right to vent their fury. To me none of it makes sense or adds up and I honestly hope that it was an accident and not a deliberate act.[/p][/quote]Haven't you noticed ? All the local papers are short of proper news. It may also help your judgement if you looked at Hohnstones Press share prices - they could go broke tomorrow morning ! Any story will do - we must stimulate those stupid members of the public ! However, the Argus has reported this better than those clods in Worthing Herald, They will only be happy when a potentially innocent person is attacked by ill educated cretins.[/p][/quote]Good answer. The Worthing Herald just runs second hand stories amongst the adverts and doesn't really qualify as a newspaper at all. mr punch
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8:16pm Thu 24 Nov 11

sheppardmeg3 says...

kerryfee wrote:
Oh dear, they named the wife, won't be long untill he is outed. I would go back to Belgium PDQ if I was him.
His story just does not add up..too many coincidences ,I just hope he is not going to get away with it .If witnesses saw the dog tied to his car at Devils Dyke when he stopped .why did'nt he! especially as he said he checked to see if there was anything wrong with the car .. I hope he can sleep at night ,I can't !
[quote][p][bold]kerryfee[/bold] wrote: Oh dear, they named the wife, won't be long untill he is outed. I would go back to Belgium PDQ if I was him.[/p][/quote]His story just does not add up..too many coincidences ,I just hope he is not going to get away with it .If witnesses saw the dog tied to his car at Devils Dyke when he stopped .why did'nt he! especially as he said he checked to see if there was anything wrong with the car .. I hope he can sleep at night ,I can't ! sheppardmeg3
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10:23pm Thu 24 Nov 11

NickBrt says...

This man ought to enter for the Booker prize, he's such a brilliant story teller. As for the people who've made threats against him, well, if all they did was carry them out by accident would that be SO bad?
This man ought to enter for the Booker prize, he's such a brilliant story teller. As for the people who've made threats against him, well, if all they did was carry them out by accident would that be SO bad? NickBrt
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11:02pm Thu 24 Nov 11

Juleyanne says...

Whatever turns out to be the true story in this heartbreaking tragedy.
The bottom line is the Devils Dyke is not Brands Hatch but a beautiful countryside downland area As the breeding season starts wildlife seeks new territories and new mates and from now onwards it would be respectful to our foxes, badgers, deer and hedgehogs that if those intent on having a burn up could slow down and reduce the roadkill that inevitably starts from the overwhelming desire by some to hit the peddle! Wildlife rescue charities are very busy from this time of year picking up injured and dying animals resulting from such driving who do not always stop when they hit something, leaving the poor creature to die a slow painful death.
As for the poor little dog lets hope justice prevails.
Whatever turns out to be the true story in this heartbreaking tragedy. The bottom line is the Devils Dyke is not Brands Hatch but a beautiful countryside downland area As the breeding season starts wildlife seeks new territories and new mates and from now onwards it would be respectful to our foxes, badgers, deer and hedgehogs that if those intent on having a burn up could slow down and reduce the roadkill that inevitably starts from the overwhelming desire by some to hit the peddle! Wildlife rescue charities are very busy from this time of year picking up injured and dying animals resulting from such driving who do not always stop when they hit something, leaving the poor creature to die a slow painful death. As for the poor little dog lets hope justice prevails. Juleyanne
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9:49am Fri 25 Nov 11

lucybface says...

perhaps it was an accident, I could never imagine someone actually wanting to do this! If he meant to do it why hand himself in! Benefit of the doubt should def be given to him! I bet he feels awful! :(

on another note well done argus for outing his wife!?! So stupid! But they did the same thing with my INNOCENT uncle! Made him out to be this bad person and turns out he was innocent! Didnt put that as a headline though!
perhaps it was an accident, I could never imagine someone actually wanting to do this! If he meant to do it why hand himself in! Benefit of the doubt should def be given to him! I bet he feels awful! :( on another note well done argus for outing his wife!?! So stupid! But they did the same thing with my INNOCENT uncle! Made him out to be this bad person and turns out he was innocent! Didnt put that as a headline though! lucybface
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10:02am Fri 25 Nov 11

bilko62 says...

lucybface wrote:
perhaps it was an accident, I could never imagine someone actually wanting to do this! If he meant to do it why hand himself in! Benefit of the doubt should def be given to him! I bet he feels awful! :(

on another note well done argus for outing his wife!?! So stupid! But they did the same thing with my INNOCENT uncle! Made him out to be this bad person and turns out he was innocent! Didnt put that as a headline though!
Exactly and the quicker the press in Britain is sorted out the better. The Leveson enquiry is currently ongoing and taking evidence.
[quote][p][bold]lucybface[/bold] wrote: perhaps it was an accident, I could never imagine someone actually wanting to do this! If he meant to do it why hand himself in! Benefit of the doubt should def be given to him! I bet he feels awful! :( on another note well done argus for outing his wife!?! So stupid! But they did the same thing with my INNOCENT uncle! Made him out to be this bad person and turns out he was innocent! Didnt put that as a headline though![/p][/quote]Exactly and the quicker the press in Britain is sorted out the better. The Leveson enquiry is currently ongoing and taking evidence. bilko62
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10:02am Fri 25 Nov 11

bilko62 says...

lucybface wrote:
perhaps it was an accident, I could never imagine someone actually wanting to do this! If he meant to do it why hand himself in! Benefit of the doubt should def be given to him! I bet he feels awful! :(

on another note well done argus for outing his wife!?! So stupid! But they did the same thing with my INNOCENT uncle! Made him out to be this bad person and turns out he was innocent! Didnt put that as a headline though!
Exactly and the quicker the press in Britain is sorted out the better. The Leveson enquiry is currently ongoing and taking evidence.
[quote][p][bold]lucybface[/bold] wrote: perhaps it was an accident, I could never imagine someone actually wanting to do this! If he meant to do it why hand himself in! Benefit of the doubt should def be given to him! I bet he feels awful! :( on another note well done argus for outing his wife!?! So stupid! But they did the same thing with my INNOCENT uncle! Made him out to be this bad person and turns out he was innocent! Didnt put that as a headline though![/p][/quote]Exactly and the quicker the press in Britain is sorted out the better. The Leveson enquiry is currently ongoing and taking evidence. bilko62
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10:17am Fri 25 Nov 11

lucybface says...

bilko62 wrote:
lucybface wrote: perhaps it was an accident, I could never imagine someone actually wanting to do this! If he meant to do it why hand himself in! Benefit of the doubt should def be given to him! I bet he feels awful! :( on another note well done argus for outing his wife!?! So stupid! But they did the same thing with my INNOCENT uncle! Made him out to be this bad person and turns out he was innocent! Didnt put that as a headline though!
Exactly and the quicker the press in Britain is sorted out the better. The Leveson enquiry is currently ongoing and taking evidence.
it needs to be sorted, the press destroyed our family, especially when my cousin passed away! they name and shamed the wrong people...but when they realised they made a mistake they refused retraction...althoug
h the damage was already done.....just like this guy! Even if he is proved innocent people will send him hate mail etc! just so unfair!
[quote][p][bold]bilko62[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lucybface[/bold] wrote: perhaps it was an accident, I could never imagine someone actually wanting to do this! If he meant to do it why hand himself in! Benefit of the doubt should def be given to him! I bet he feels awful! :( on another note well done argus for outing his wife!?! So stupid! But they did the same thing with my INNOCENT uncle! Made him out to be this bad person and turns out he was innocent! Didnt put that as a headline though![/p][/quote]Exactly and the quicker the press in Britain is sorted out the better. The Leveson enquiry is currently ongoing and taking evidence.[/p][/quote]it needs to be sorted, the press destroyed our family, especially when my cousin passed away! they name and shamed the wrong people...but when they realised they made a mistake they refused retraction...althoug h the damage was already done.....just like this guy! Even if he is proved innocent people will send him hate mail etc! just so unfair! lucybface
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10:47am Fri 25 Nov 11

mustaphaLeeko says...

wow, all these know-it-all's who prejudge the guys guilt, ket's leave it to the Police and courts to determine what happened, not all these "eye witnesses" who happened to see a dog being dragged behind a car.

And yes I love dogs and have no sympathy for the guy if it's PROVED he did it on purpose, but I'm inclined to let justice prevail, not dumbass armchair warriors and their assumptions.
wow, all these know-it-all's who prejudge the guys guilt, ket's leave it to the Police and courts to determine what happened, not all these "eye witnesses" who happened to see a dog being dragged behind a car. And yes I love dogs and have no sympathy for the guy if it's PROVED he did it on purpose, but I'm inclined to let justice prevail, not dumbass armchair warriors and their assumptions. mustaphaLeeko
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11:40am Fri 25 Nov 11

AngelicDevil says...

wcarstairs you really are quite a pathetic person.

Go back to the seagulls on Eastbourne seafront. I'm sure they miss you.
wcarstairs you really are quite a pathetic person. Go back to the seagulls on Eastbourne seafront. I'm sure they miss you. AngelicDevil
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12:07pm Fri 25 Nov 11

Mel@cityclean says...

AS if he did not know!! Checked the car a few times, do not belive his story at all!!!
AS if he did not know!! Checked the car a few times, do not belive his story at all!!! Mel@cityclean
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12:43pm Fri 25 Nov 11

Blue Meanie says...

If he did park at Devils Dyke , surely he would have had to reverse at some point .Either parking or leaving. I am pretty sure the lifeless dog would have impeded that manouver to the point wher would have had to check the back of the car for an obstruction. Also why did the witness's at the pub either not raise the fact there is a dead dog tied to a car in the car park to the bar staff or just monitor the car to see who was driving it to let them know? Can't beleive nobody said anything and I can't beleive he could reverse over a large heavy object tied to the back of his car without some sort of wheel spin .
If he did park at Devils Dyke , surely he would have had to reverse at some point .Either parking or leaving. I am pretty sure the lifeless dog would have impeded that manouver to the point wher would have had to check the back of the car for an obstruction. Also why did the witness's at the pub either not raise the fact there is a dead dog tied to a car in the car park to the bar staff or just monitor the car to see who was driving it to let them know? Can't beleive nobody said anything and I can't beleive he could reverse over a large heavy object tied to the back of his car without some sort of wheel spin . Blue Meanie
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1:03pm Fri 25 Nov 11

chris8wright says...

I'll post again as my last comments were deleted.

This looks like a tragic accident, it is possible to snag a training lead on the underneath of a Porsche.

Google "Porsche 911 underneath" and look at images, you can see many snag points.

There are a lot of mindless people who are lynch mobbing this guy, and I think it is not fair on him, the dog owners and the dog walker. Until the facts are know, NO ONE should be threatening this man or his wife.

Innocent until proven guilty. I would like to know the truth, but fact is, no one knows the truth yet.

There are various facebook groups, one of which has members who are acting very aggressive and now this man lives in fear from death threats, it is totally unfair
I'll post again as my last comments were deleted. This looks like a tragic accident, it is possible to snag a training lead on the underneath of a Porsche. Google "Porsche 911 underneath" and look at images, you can see many snag points. There are a lot of mindless people who are lynch mobbing this guy, and I think it is not fair on him, the dog owners and the dog walker. Until the facts are know, NO ONE should be threatening this man or his wife. Innocent until proven guilty. I would like to know the truth, but fact is, no one knows the truth yet. There are various facebook groups, one of which has members who are acting very aggressive and now this man lives in fear from death threats, it is totally unfair chris8wright
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1:06pm Fri 25 Nov 11

AngelicDevil says...

Blue Meanie wrote:
If he did park at Devils Dyke , surely he would have had to reverse at some point .Either parking or leaving. I am pretty sure the lifeless dog would have impeded that manouver to the point wher would have had to check the back of the car for an obstruction. Also why did the witness's at the pub either not raise the fact there is a dead dog tied to a car in the car park to the bar staff or just monitor the car to see who was driving it to let them know? Can't beleive nobody said anything and I can't beleive he could reverse over a large heavy object tied to the back of his car without some sort of wheel spin .
If I were you I would stop ASSUMING he must have done this or he must have done that, because you do not know what he did.

You were not there and you did not see.

You do not know that if (!) and when he reversed he actually, physically, drove over the poor creature with his wheels!!!
[quote][p][bold]Blue Meanie[/bold] wrote: If he did park at Devils Dyke , surely he would have had to reverse at some point .Either parking or leaving. I am pretty sure the lifeless dog would have impeded that manouver to the point wher would have had to check the back of the car for an obstruction. Also why did the witness's at the pub either not raise the fact there is a dead dog tied to a car in the car park to the bar staff or just monitor the car to see who was driving it to let them know? Can't beleive nobody said anything and I can't beleive he could reverse over a large heavy object tied to the back of his car without some sort of wheel spin .[/p][/quote]If I were you I would stop ASSUMING he must have done this or he must have done that, because you do not know what he did. You were not there and you did not see. You do not know that if (!) and when he reversed he actually, physically, drove over the poor creature with his wheels!!! AngelicDevil
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1:20pm Fri 25 Nov 11

Blue Meanie says...

AngelicDevil wrote:
Blue Meanie wrote: If he did park at Devils Dyke , surely he would have had to reverse at some point .Either parking or leaving. I am pretty sure the lifeless dog would have impeded that manouver to the point wher would have had to check the back of the car for an obstruction. Also why did the witness's at the pub either not raise the fact there is a dead dog tied to a car in the car park to the bar staff or just monitor the car to see who was driving it to let them know? Can't beleive nobody said anything and I can't beleive he could reverse over a large heavy object tied to the back of his car without some sort of wheel spin .
If I were you I would stop ASSUMING he must have done this or he must have done that, because you do not know what he did. You were not there and you did not see. You do not know that if (!) and when he reversed he actually, physically, drove over the poor creature with his wheels!!!
There were no assumptions and neither was I there . I am commenting in a newspaper forum regarding a newspaper article, just as you are .I am simply pointing out what seem to me to be inconsistancies in The Devils Dyke part of the story. I am neither accusing nor defending , just making a comment on what has been written and pointing out it makes no sense .
[quote][p][bold]AngelicDevil[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Blue Meanie[/bold] wrote: If he did park at Devils Dyke , surely he would have had to reverse at some point .Either parking or leaving. I am pretty sure the lifeless dog would have impeded that manouver to the point wher would have had to check the back of the car for an obstruction. Also why did the witness's at the pub either not raise the fact there is a dead dog tied to a car in the car park to the bar staff or just monitor the car to see who was driving it to let them know? Can't beleive nobody said anything and I can't beleive he could reverse over a large heavy object tied to the back of his car without some sort of wheel spin .[/p][/quote]If I were you I would stop ASSUMING he must have done this or he must have done that, because you do not know what he did. You were not there and you did not see. You do not know that if (!) and when he reversed he actually, physically, drove over the poor creature with his wheels!!![/p][/quote]There were no assumptions and neither was I there . I am commenting in a newspaper forum regarding a newspaper article, just as you are .I am simply pointing out what seem to me to be inconsistancies in The Devils Dyke part of the story. I am neither accusing nor defending , just making a comment on what has been written and pointing out it makes no sense . Blue Meanie
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1:22pm Fri 25 Nov 11

Old Ladys Gin says...

mustaphaLeeko wrote:
wow, all these know-it-all's who prejudge the guys guilt, ket's leave it to the Police and courts to determine what happened, not all these "eye witnesses" who happened to see a dog being dragged behind a car.

And yes I love dogs and have no sympathy for the guy if it's PROVED he did it on purpose, but I'm inclined to let justice prevail, not dumbass armchair warriors and their assumptions.
Quite!
Knowingly dragging a dog behind a car on one of the busiest roads in the area would be akin to punching a policeman on the nose in front of the cop shop.
Let's allow what we call justice to do its' job.
[quote][p][bold]mustaphaLeeko[/bold] wrote: wow, all these know-it-all's who prejudge the guys guilt, ket's leave it to the Police and courts to determine what happened, not all these "eye witnesses" who happened to see a dog being dragged behind a car. And yes I love dogs and have no sympathy for the guy if it's PROVED he did it on purpose, but I'm inclined to let justice prevail, not dumbass armchair warriors and their assumptions.[/p][/quote]Quite! Knowingly dragging a dog behind a car on one of the busiest roads in the area would be akin to punching a policeman on the nose in front of the cop shop. Let's allow what we call justice to do its' job. Old Ladys Gin
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2:09pm Fri 25 Nov 11

Warren - Shoreham says...

Can't believe people are actually suggesting there is any semblance of credibility to his story. It is frankly ridiculous. Having had a couple of days to think about it I am still convinced this was a sick and deliberate act.

It is not feasible for him to have driven that length of time with an animal 'accidentally' attached to his car and not to have known. Add in the other inconsistencies and I find it incredible anyone would stick up for him, even friends and relatives who I assume some of the posters on here are. There is no other logical explanation for them being on here.
Can't believe people are actually suggesting there is any semblance of credibility to his story. It is frankly ridiculous. Having had a couple of days to think about it I am still convinced this was a sick and deliberate act. It is not feasible for him to have driven that length of time with an animal 'accidentally' attached to his car and not to have known. Add in the other inconsistencies and I find it incredible anyone would stick up for him, even friends and relatives who I assume some of the posters on here are. There is no other logical explanation for them being on here. Warren - Shoreham
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2:30pm Fri 25 Nov 11

chris8wright says...

Warren - Shoreham wrote:
Can't believe people are actually suggesting there is any semblance of credibility to his story. It is frankly ridiculous. Having had a couple of days to think about it I am still convinced this was a sick and deliberate act.

It is not feasible for him to have driven that length of time with an animal 'accidentally' attached to his car and not to have known. Add in the other inconsistencies and I find it incredible anyone would stick up for him, even friends and relatives who I assume some of the posters on here are. There is no other logical explanation for them being on here.
Ever driven a Porsche? You don't see a lot out of the rear view mirror. A Porsche weighs 1500kg, a dog 15kg, so he wouldnt feel it. The lead was a nylon training lead, not a chain, according to the police. it was dark and also a car has multiple blind spots. Some people also don't have good eye sight, and also have perfect spacial awareness.

I am not a family member or friend of this person, I can only look at both angles and see the possibilities. I cannot agree with guilty straight away, unless there was undeniable proof, not just an investigation or witnesses that just called the police, didnt see it from start to finish and didn't approach the man in his car to resolve it.
[quote][p][bold]Warren - Shoreham[/bold] wrote: Can't believe people are actually suggesting there is any semblance of credibility to his story. It is frankly ridiculous. Having had a couple of days to think about it I am still convinced this was a sick and deliberate act. It is not feasible for him to have driven that length of time with an animal 'accidentally' attached to his car and not to have known. Add in the other inconsistencies and I find it incredible anyone would stick up for him, even friends and relatives who I assume some of the posters on here are. There is no other logical explanation for them being on here.[/p][/quote]Ever driven a Porsche? You don't see a lot out of the rear view mirror. A Porsche weighs 1500kg, a dog 15kg, so he wouldnt feel it. The lead was a nylon training lead, not a chain, according to the police. it was dark and also a car has multiple blind spots. Some people also don't have good eye sight, and also have perfect spacial awareness. I am not a family member or friend of this person, I can only look at both angles and see the possibilities. I cannot agree with guilty straight away, unless there was undeniable proof, not just an investigation or witnesses that just called the police, didnt see it from start to finish and didn't approach the man in his car to resolve it. chris8wright
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3:22pm Fri 25 Nov 11

Old Ladys Gin says...

Mrs Newcastle wrote:
Do not pubs have CCTV cameras, would then this not back up his story that he only went to the pub to use the toilet??? My six sense which is not based on facts or evidence makes me feel that this guy is protecting someone.
There are public toilets next to the pub at the Dyke!
Thus you don't have to go into the establishment.
[quote][p][bold]Mrs Newcastle[/bold] wrote: Do not pubs have CCTV cameras, would then this not back up his story that he only went to the pub to use the toilet??? My six sense which is not based on facts or evidence makes me feel that this guy is protecting someone.[/p][/quote]There are public toilets next to the pub at the Dyke! Thus you don't have to go into the establishment. Old Ladys Gin
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3:29pm Fri 25 Nov 11

Old Ladys Gin says...

chris8wright wrote:
Warren - Shoreham wrote:
Can't believe people are actually suggesting there is any semblance of credibility to his story. It is frankly ridiculous. Having had a couple of days to think about it I am still convinced this was a sick and deliberate act.

It is not feasible for him to have driven that length of time with an animal 'accidentally' attached to his car and not to have known. Add in the other inconsistencies and I find it incredible anyone would stick up for him, even friends and relatives who I assume some of the posters on here are. There is no other logical explanation for them being on here.
Ever driven a Porsche? You don't see a lot out of the rear view mirror. A Porsche weighs 1500kg, a dog 15kg, so he wouldnt feel it. The lead was a nylon training lead, not a chain, according to the police. it was dark and also a car has multiple blind spots. Some people also don't have good eye sight, and also have perfect spacial awareness.

I am not a family member or friend of this person, I can only look at both angles and see the possibilities. I cannot agree with guilty straight away, unless there was undeniable proof, not just an investigation or witnesses that just called the police, didnt see it from start to finish and didn't approach the man in his car to resolve it.
Porsche cars are also noisy and it's a lovely noise and one of the reasons people buy them.
Not the kind of vehicle you get into 5th or 6th gear to save a few bob on fuel. You rev them that's what they do best.
They also create a fair amount of road noise.
[quote][p][bold]chris8wright[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Warren - Shoreham[/bold] wrote: Can't believe people are actually suggesting there is any semblance of credibility to his story. It is frankly ridiculous. Having had a couple of days to think about it I am still convinced this was a sick and deliberate act. It is not feasible for him to have driven that length of time with an animal 'accidentally' attached to his car and not to have known. Add in the other inconsistencies and I find it incredible anyone would stick up for him, even friends and relatives who I assume some of the posters on here are. There is no other logical explanation for them being on here.[/p][/quote]Ever driven a Porsche? You don't see a lot out of the rear view mirror. A Porsche weighs 1500kg, a dog 15kg, so he wouldnt feel it. The lead was a nylon training lead, not a chain, according to the police. it was dark and also a car has multiple blind spots. Some people also don't have good eye sight, and also have perfect spacial awareness. I am not a family member or friend of this person, I can only look at both angles and see the possibilities. I cannot agree with guilty straight away, unless there was undeniable proof, not just an investigation or witnesses that just called the police, didnt see it from start to finish and didn't approach the man in his car to resolve it.[/p][/quote]Porsche cars are also noisy and it's a lovely noise and one of the reasons people buy them. Not the kind of vehicle you get into 5th or 6th gear to save a few bob on fuel. You rev them that's what they do best. They also create a fair amount of road noise. Old Ladys Gin
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4:06pm Fri 25 Nov 11

chris8wright says...

The quantity of people disgustingly calling for this man to be hurt is beyond a joke, they should be ashamed of themselves. I hope one day something happens that means they are victimised when potentially innocent, and then they can see how it feels
The quantity of people disgustingly calling for this man to be hurt is beyond a joke, they should be ashamed of themselves. I hope one day something happens that means they are victimised when potentially innocent, and then they can see how it feels chris8wright
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5:00pm Fri 25 Nov 11

Warren - Shoreham says...

chris8wright wrote:
Warren - Shoreham wrote: Can't believe people are actually suggesting there is any semblance of credibility to his story. It is frankly ridiculous. Having had a couple of days to think about it I am still convinced this was a sick and deliberate act. It is not feasible for him to have driven that length of time with an animal 'accidentally' attached to his car and not to have known. Add in the other inconsistencies and I find it incredible anyone would stick up for him, even friends and relatives who I assume some of the posters on here are. There is no other logical explanation for them being on here.
Ever driven a Porsche? You don't see a lot out of the rear view mirror. A Porsche weighs 1500kg, a dog 15kg, so he wouldnt feel it. The lead was a nylon training lead, not a chain, according to the police. it was dark and also a car has multiple blind spots. Some people also don't have good eye sight, and also have perfect spacial awareness. I am not a family member or friend of this person, I can only look at both angles and see the possibilities. I cannot agree with guilty straight away, unless there was undeniable proof, not just an investigation or witnesses that just called the police, didnt see it from start to finish and didn't approach the man in his car to resolve it.
Sorry Chris can only assume you are on a wind up.

I have driven and owned several sports cars including very low down and very noisy ones and with music blaring on top so no I do not think it is possible he drove for anything like that distance without finding the cause especially as he supposedly stopped several times. If he is that partically sighted he should not be on the road anyway.

Witnesses have reported it was very noisy and left a bloody streak two miles long.

I would love this guy to be innocent as it is bad enough if this was an accident let alone deliberate but just can't see it.
[quote][p][bold]chris8wright[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Warren - Shoreham[/bold] wrote: Can't believe people are actually suggesting there is any semblance of credibility to his story. It is frankly ridiculous. Having had a couple of days to think about it I am still convinced this was a sick and deliberate act. It is not feasible for him to have driven that length of time with an animal 'accidentally' attached to his car and not to have known. Add in the other inconsistencies and I find it incredible anyone would stick up for him, even friends and relatives who I assume some of the posters on here are. There is no other logical explanation for them being on here.[/p][/quote]Ever driven a Porsche? You don't see a lot out of the rear view mirror. A Porsche weighs 1500kg, a dog 15kg, so he wouldnt feel it. The lead was a nylon training lead, not a chain, according to the police. it was dark and also a car has multiple blind spots. Some people also don't have good eye sight, and also have perfect spacial awareness. I am not a family member or friend of this person, I can only look at both angles and see the possibilities. I cannot agree with guilty straight away, unless there was undeniable proof, not just an investigation or witnesses that just called the police, didnt see it from start to finish and didn't approach the man in his car to resolve it.[/p][/quote]Sorry Chris can only assume you are on a wind up. I have driven and owned several sports cars including very low down and very noisy ones and with music blaring on top so no I do not think it is possible he drove for anything like that distance without finding the cause especially as he supposedly stopped several times. If he is that partically sighted he should not be on the road anyway. Witnesses have reported it was very noisy and left a bloody streak two miles long. I would love this guy to be innocent as it is bad enough if this was an accident let alone deliberate but just can't see it. Warren - Shoreham
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5:27pm Fri 25 Nov 11

chris8wright says...

Warren - Shoreham wrote:
chris8wright wrote:
Warren - Shoreham wrote: Can't believe people are actually suggesting there is any semblance of credibility to his story. It is frankly ridiculous. Having had a couple of days to think about it I am still convinced this was a sick and deliberate act. It is not feasible for him to have driven that length of time with an animal 'accidentally' attached to his car and not to have known. Add in the other inconsistencies and I find it incredible anyone would stick up for him, even friends and relatives who I assume some of the posters on here are. There is no other logical explanation for them being on here.
Ever driven a Porsche? You don't see a lot out of the rear view mirror. A Porsche weighs 1500kg, a dog 15kg, so he wouldnt feel it. The lead was a nylon training lead, not a chain, according to the police. it was dark and also a car has multiple blind spots. Some people also don't have good eye sight, and also have perfect spacial awareness. I am not a family member or friend of this person, I can only look at both angles and see the possibilities. I cannot agree with guilty straight away, unless there was undeniable proof, not just an investigation or witnesses that just called the police, didnt see it from start to finish and didn't approach the man in his car to resolve it.
Sorry Chris can only assume you are on a wind up.

I have driven and owned several sports cars including very low down and very noisy ones and with music blaring on top so no I do not think it is possible he drove for anything like that distance without finding the cause especially as he supposedly stopped several times. If he is that partically sighted he should not be on the road anyway.

Witnesses have reported it was very noisy and left a bloody streak two miles long.

I would love this guy to be innocent as it is bad enough if this was an accident let alone deliberate but just can't see it.
No, sorry Warren, not on a wind up. just because he got out of the car, he might not of looked at the rear, only the front, it was stated he looked at the brakes, maybe he only did the front brakes. Let's wait and see what the report comes back with, but I cannot see this was done on purpose at all, no dog lover would do this.
[quote][p][bold]Warren - Shoreham[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]chris8wright[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Warren - Shoreham[/bold] wrote: Can't believe people are actually suggesting there is any semblance of credibility to his story. It is frankly ridiculous. Having had a couple of days to think about it I am still convinced this was a sick and deliberate act. It is not feasible for him to have driven that length of time with an animal 'accidentally' attached to his car and not to have known. Add in the other inconsistencies and I find it incredible anyone would stick up for him, even friends and relatives who I assume some of the posters on here are. There is no other logical explanation for them being on here.[/p][/quote]Ever driven a Porsche? You don't see a lot out of the rear view mirror. A Porsche weighs 1500kg, a dog 15kg, so he wouldnt feel it. The lead was a nylon training lead, not a chain, according to the police. it was dark and also a car has multiple blind spots. Some people also don't have good eye sight, and also have perfect spacial awareness. I am not a family member or friend of this person, I can only look at both angles and see the possibilities. I cannot agree with guilty straight away, unless there was undeniable proof, not just an investigation or witnesses that just called the police, didnt see it from start to finish and didn't approach the man in his car to resolve it.[/p][/quote]Sorry Chris can only assume you are on a wind up. I have driven and owned several sports cars including very low down and very noisy ones and with music blaring on top so no I do not think it is possible he drove for anything like that distance without finding the cause especially as he supposedly stopped several times. If he is that partically sighted he should not be on the road anyway. Witnesses have reported it was very noisy and left a bloody streak two miles long. I would love this guy to be innocent as it is bad enough if this was an accident let alone deliberate but just can't see it.[/p][/quote]No, sorry Warren, not on a wind up. just because he got out of the car, he might not of looked at the rear, only the front, it was stated he looked at the brakes, maybe he only did the front brakes. Let's wait and see what the report comes back with, but I cannot see this was done on purpose at all, no dog lover would do this. chris8wright
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5:37pm Fri 25 Nov 11

chris8wright says...

Warren - Shoreham wrote:
chris8wright wrote:
Warren - Shoreham wrote: Can't believe people are actually suggesting there is any semblance of credibility to his story. It is frankly ridiculous. Having had a couple of days to think about it I am still convinced this was a sick and deliberate act. It is not feasible for him to have driven that length of time with an animal 'accidentally' attached to his car and not to have known. Add in the other inconsistencies and I find it incredible anyone would stick up for him, even friends and relatives who I assume some of the posters on here are. There is no other logical explanation for them being on here.
Ever driven a Porsche? You don't see a lot out of the rear view mirror. A Porsche weighs 1500kg, a dog 15kg, so he wouldnt feel it. The lead was a nylon training lead, not a chain, according to the police. it was dark and also a car has multiple blind spots. Some people also don't have good eye sight, and also have perfect spacial awareness. I am not a family member or friend of this person, I can only look at both angles and see the possibilities. I cannot agree with guilty straight away, unless there was undeniable proof, not just an investigation or witnesses that just called the police, didnt see it from start to finish and didn't approach the man in his car to resolve it.
Sorry Chris can only assume you are on a wind up.

I have driven and owned several sports cars including very low down and very noisy ones and with music blaring on top so no I do not think it is possible he drove for anything like that distance without finding the cause especially as he supposedly stopped several times. If he is that partically sighted he should not be on the road anyway.

Witnesses have reported it was very noisy and left a bloody streak two miles long.

I would love this guy to be innocent as it is bad enough if this was an accident let alone deliberate but just can't see it.
I would like to know where the blood streak started and where it ended, any ideas?

It would point to the start of the accident, to the layby. if you take his average speed into account, it might not be that long if he was doing 50mph (speed limit?) so lets say he was crusing at 60mph, thats 2 minutes the dog was dragged.

I've driven with police behind me with sirens blaring on the motorway and didnt see them, and i have 20/20 vision, they told me off whilst flying past me. I had the stereo on and was in a day dream after a hard days work and I have a lot more vision than a Porsche does, probably four times as much.
[quote][p][bold]Warren - Shoreham[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]chris8wright[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Warren - Shoreham[/bold] wrote: Can't believe people are actually suggesting there is any semblance of credibility to his story. It is frankly ridiculous. Having had a couple of days to think about it I am still convinced this was a sick and deliberate act. It is not feasible for him to have driven that length of time with an animal 'accidentally' attached to his car and not to have known. Add in the other inconsistencies and I find it incredible anyone would stick up for him, even friends and relatives who I assume some of the posters on here are. There is no other logical explanation for them being on here.[/p][/quote]Ever driven a Porsche? You don't see a lot out of the rear view mirror. A Porsche weighs 1500kg, a dog 15kg, so he wouldnt feel it. The lead was a nylon training lead, not a chain, according to the police. it was dark and also a car has multiple blind spots. Some people also don't have good eye sight, and also have perfect spacial awareness. I am not a family member or friend of this person, I can only look at both angles and see the possibilities. I cannot agree with guilty straight away, unless there was undeniable proof, not just an investigation or witnesses that just called the police, didnt see it from start to finish and didn't approach the man in his car to resolve it.[/p][/quote]Sorry Chris can only assume you are on a wind up. I have driven and owned several sports cars including very low down and very noisy ones and with music blaring on top so no I do not think it is possible he drove for anything like that distance without finding the cause especially as he supposedly stopped several times. If he is that partically sighted he should not be on the road anyway. Witnesses have reported it was very noisy and left a bloody streak two miles long. I would love this guy to be innocent as it is bad enough if this was an accident let alone deliberate but just can't see it.[/p][/quote]I would like to know where the blood streak started and where it ended, any ideas? It would point to the start of the accident, to the layby. if you take his average speed into account, it might not be that long if he was doing 50mph (speed limit?) so lets say he was crusing at 60mph, thats 2 minutes the dog was dragged. I've driven with police behind me with sirens blaring on the motorway and didnt see them, and i have 20/20 vision, they told me off whilst flying past me. I had the stereo on and was in a day dream after a hard days work and I have a lot more vision than a Porsche does, probably four times as much. chris8wright
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6:16pm Fri 25 Nov 11

PikeyMik says...

Is it cool in mainland europe to skin a dog with a car? like its cool in albania to make a bear dance or fun in spain to make fat people ride donkeys!
Is it cool in mainland europe to skin a dog with a car? like its cool in albania to make a bear dance or fun in spain to make fat people ride donkeys! PikeyMik
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6:32pm Fri 25 Nov 11

Warren - Shoreham says...

chris8wright wrote:
Warren - Shoreham wrote:
chris8wright wrote:
Warren - Shoreham wrote: Can't believe people are actually suggesting there is any semblance of credibility to his story. It is frankly ridiculous. Having had a couple of days to think about it I am still convinced this was a sick and deliberate act. It is not feasible for him to have driven that length of time with an animal 'accidentally' attached to his car and not to have known. Add in the other inconsistencies and I find it incredible anyone would stick up for him, even friends and relatives who I assume some of the posters on here are. There is no other logical explanation for them being on here.
Ever driven a Porsche? You don't see a lot out of the rear view mirror. A Porsche weighs 1500kg, a dog 15kg, so he wouldnt feel it. The lead was a nylon training lead, not a chain, according to the police. it was dark and also a car has multiple blind spots. Some people also don't have good eye sight, and also have perfect spacial awareness. I am not a family member or friend of this person, I can only look at both angles and see the possibilities. I cannot agree with guilty straight away, unless there was undeniable proof, not just an investigation or witnesses that just called the police, didnt see it from start to finish and didn't approach the man in his car to resolve it.
Sorry Chris can only assume you are on a wind up. I have driven and owned several sports cars including very low down and very noisy ones and with music blaring on top so no I do not think it is possible he drove for anything like that distance without finding the cause especially as he supposedly stopped several times. If he is that partically sighted he should not be on the road anyway. Witnesses have reported it was very noisy and left a bloody streak two miles long. I would love this guy to be innocent as it is bad enough if this was an accident let alone deliberate but just can't see it.
No, sorry Warren, not on a wind up. just because he got out of the car, he might not of looked at the rear, only the front, it was stated he looked at the brakes, maybe he only did the front brakes. Let's wait and see what the report comes back with, but I cannot see this was done on purpose at all, no dog lover would do this.
Accident? Then how can it be explained why the mother of one of the witnesses (Shoreham Herald) says the dog was seen on the end of a long, thick chain running a long way out of the back of the car and the noise was so loud to cars overtaking it sounded like a garage door shutting and the smell was dreadful. When he got out where did the dog and chain go exactly? we can all summise but we can't ignore the witnesses first hand accounts.
[quote][p][bold]chris8wright[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Warren - Shoreham[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]chris8wright[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Warren - Shoreham[/bold] wrote: Can't believe people are actually suggesting there is any semblance of credibility to his story. It is frankly ridiculous. Having had a couple of days to think about it I am still convinced this was a sick and deliberate act. It is not feasible for him to have driven that length of time with an animal 'accidentally' attached to his car and not to have known. Add in the other inconsistencies and I find it incredible anyone would stick up for him, even friends and relatives who I assume some of the posters on here are. There is no other logical explanation for them being on here.[/p][/quote]Ever driven a Porsche? You don't see a lot out of the rear view mirror. A Porsche weighs 1500kg, a dog 15kg, so he wouldnt feel it. The lead was a nylon training lead, not a chain, according to the police. it was dark and also a car has multiple blind spots. Some people also don't have good eye sight, and also have perfect spacial awareness. I am not a family member or friend of this person, I can only look at both angles and see the possibilities. I cannot agree with guilty straight away, unless there was undeniable proof, not just an investigation or witnesses that just called the police, didnt see it from start to finish and didn't approach the man in his car to resolve it.[/p][/quote]Sorry Chris can only assume you are on a wind up. I have driven and owned several sports cars including very low down and very noisy ones and with music blaring on top so no I do not think it is possible he drove for anything like that distance without finding the cause especially as he supposedly stopped several times. If he is that partically sighted he should not be on the road anyway. Witnesses have reported it was very noisy and left a bloody streak two miles long. I would love this guy to be innocent as it is bad enough if this was an accident let alone deliberate but just can't see it.[/p][/quote]No, sorry Warren, not on a wind up. just because he got out of the car, he might not of looked at the rear, only the front, it was stated he looked at the brakes, maybe he only did the front brakes. Let's wait and see what the report comes back with, but I cannot see this was done on purpose at all, no dog lover would do this.[/p][/quote]Accident? Then how can it be explained why the mother of one of the witnesses (Shoreham Herald) says the dog was seen on the end of a long, thick chain running a long way out of the back of the car and the noise was so loud to cars overtaking it sounded like a garage door shutting and the smell was dreadful. When he got out where did the dog and chain go exactly? we can all summise but we can't ignore the witnesses first hand accounts. Warren - Shoreham
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7:02pm Fri 25 Nov 11

chris8wright says...

Warren - Shoreham wrote:
chris8wright wrote:
Warren - Shoreham wrote:
chris8wright wrote:
Warren - Shoreham wrote: Can't believe people are actually suggesting there is any semblance of credibility to his story. It is frankly ridiculous. Having had a couple of days to think about it I am still convinced this was a sick and deliberate act. It is not feasible for him to have driven that length of time with an animal 'accidentally' attached to his car and not to have known. Add in the other inconsistencies and I find it incredible anyone would stick up for him, even friends and relatives who I assume some of the posters on here are. There is no other logical explanation for them being on here.
Ever driven a Porsche? You don't see a lot out of the rear view mirror. A Porsche weighs 1500kg, a dog 15kg, so he wouldnt feel it. The lead was a nylon training lead, not a chain, according to the police. it was dark and also a car has multiple blind spots. Some people also don't have good eye sight, and also have perfect spacial awareness. I am not a family member or friend of this person, I can only look at both angles and see the possibilities. I cannot agree with guilty straight away, unless there was undeniable proof, not just an investigation or witnesses that just called the police, didnt see it from start to finish and didn't approach the man in his car to resolve it.
Sorry Chris can only assume you are on a wind up. I have driven and owned several sports cars including very low down and very noisy ones and with music blaring on top so no I do not think it is possible he drove for anything like that distance without finding the cause especially as he supposedly stopped several times. If he is that partically sighted he should not be on the road anyway. Witnesses have reported it was very noisy and left a bloody streak two miles long. I would love this guy to be innocent as it is bad enough if this was an accident let alone deliberate but just can't see it.
No, sorry Warren, not on a wind up. just because he got out of the car, he might not of looked at the rear, only the front, it was stated he looked at the brakes, maybe he only did the front brakes. Let's wait and see what the report comes back with, but I cannot see this was done on purpose at all, no dog lover would do this.
Accident? Then how can it be explained why the mother of one of the witnesses (Shoreham Herald) says the dog was seen on the end of a long, thick chain running a long way out of the back of the car and the noise was so loud to cars overtaking it sounded like a garage door shutting and the smell was dreadful. When he got out where did the dog and chain go exactly? we can all summise but we can't ignore the witnesses first hand accounts.
I don't know, but apparently the dog lead was a training lead, reported that the police showed a picture of it by certain people. Witnesses, who has seen the witnesses statements? I can't see a little dog being on a chain, unless the dog walker/carer had it on a chain which would be very strange indeed. You would use a long line when walking multiple dogs, it allows you to walk lot's of dogs, so it makes sense
[quote][p][bold]Warren - Shoreham[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]chris8wright[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Warren - Shoreham[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]chris8wright[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Warren - Shoreham[/bold] wrote: Can't believe people are actually suggesting there is any semblance of credibility to his story. It is frankly ridiculous. Having had a couple of days to think about it I am still convinced this was a sick and deliberate act. It is not feasible for him to have driven that length of time with an animal 'accidentally' attached to his car and not to have known. Add in the other inconsistencies and I find it incredible anyone would stick up for him, even friends and relatives who I assume some of the posters on here are. There is no other logical explanation for them being on here.[/p][/quote]Ever driven a Porsche? You don't see a lot out of the rear view mirror. A Porsche weighs 1500kg, a dog 15kg, so he wouldnt feel it. The lead was a nylon training lead, not a chain, according to the police. it was dark and also a car has multiple blind spots. Some people also don't have good eye sight, and also have perfect spacial awareness. I am not a family member or friend of this person, I can only look at both angles and see the possibilities. I cannot agree with guilty straight away, unless there was undeniable proof, not just an investigation or witnesses that just called the police, didnt see it from start to finish and didn't approach the man in his car to resolve it.[/p][/quote]Sorry Chris can only assume you are on a wind up. I have driven and owned several sports cars including very low down and very noisy ones and with music blaring on top so no I do not think it is possible he drove for anything like that distance without finding the cause especially as he supposedly stopped several times. If he is that partically sighted he should not be on the road anyway. Witnesses have reported it was very noisy and left a bloody streak two miles long. I would love this guy to be innocent as it is bad enough if this was an accident let alone deliberate but just can't see it.[/p][/quote]No, sorry Warren, not on a wind up. just because he got out of the car, he might not of looked at the rear, only the front, it was stated he looked at the brakes, maybe he only did the front brakes. Let's wait and see what the report comes back with, but I cannot see this was done on purpose at all, no dog lover would do this.[/p][/quote]Accident? Then how can it be explained why the mother of one of the witnesses (Shoreham Herald) says the dog was seen on the end of a long, thick chain running a long way out of the back of the car and the noise was so loud to cars overtaking it sounded like a garage door shutting and the smell was dreadful. When he got out where did the dog and chain go exactly? we can all summise but we can't ignore the witnesses first hand accounts.[/p][/quote]I don't know, but apparently the dog lead was a training lead, reported that the police showed a picture of it by certain people. Witnesses, who has seen the witnesses statements? I can't see a little dog being on a chain, unless the dog walker/carer had it on a chain which would be very strange indeed. You would use a long line when walking multiple dogs, it allows you to walk lot's of dogs, so it makes sense chris8wright
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7:11pm Fri 25 Nov 11

chris8wright says...

Yeah, accident, what part of that don't you get? I couldn't see a dog walker/handler/carer taking a load of dogs out on chains. I can't see a guy on his way home from work pulling over and catching a stray then dragging it two miles down the road in public after randomly finding a chain on the side of the street.

Witness statements are not always truthful either, but, a longline or training leads have multiple rings for different lead lengths, and connections for body collars, muzzle control etc, so maybe they were dragging on the floor and making the noise.

Just because we interprit a witness' basic detail on a facebook group as it was done on purpose, it was a chain, it does not mean that is correct. If witnesses saw the dog in the car park, why did they not go to the car when the guy was in the toilet? It takes 5 mins to go to the toilet, so someone could of gone over, the witnesses didnt!?!?

it just doesnt make sense as being done on purpose and i think believing 3rd hand info is not a good idea and we shouldnt react violently until it is known, especially with facebook groups or comments on internet articles for the owner and driver to see
Yeah, accident, what part of that don't you get? I couldn't see a dog walker/handler/carer taking a load of dogs out on chains. I can't see a guy on his way home from work pulling over and catching a stray then dragging it two miles down the road in public after randomly finding a chain on the side of the street. Witness statements are not always truthful either, but, a longline or training leads have multiple rings for different lead lengths, and connections for body collars, muzzle control etc, so maybe they were dragging on the floor and making the noise. Just because we interprit a witness' basic detail on a facebook group as it was done on purpose, it was a chain, it does not mean that is correct. If witnesses saw the dog in the car park, why did they not go to the car when the guy was in the toilet? It takes 5 mins to go to the toilet, so someone could of gone over, the witnesses didnt!?!? it just doesnt make sense as being done on purpose and i think believing 3rd hand info is not a good idea and we shouldnt react violently until it is known, especially with facebook groups or comments on internet articles for the owner and driver to see chris8wright
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9:56pm Fri 25 Nov 11

chris8wright says...

Thanks for the sarcasm, I can't help my job anmd the interests I have in my life. I get out there and do things.

I am a builder, but I dont go and drag a random dog down the road because a client owes me money. I take the client to court or retrieve what I still owe until the client pays in full.

I believe the owners are on holiday, the brother of the owners is aware of the situation, I hope he hasnt told them yet so it doesn't ruin their holiday.

I think some people panic in situations like that and natural instinct kicks in. It was not right to leave it there, but it wouldnt of helped the dead dog, plus maybe the laws in Belgium mean you don't have to report it, I don't know but that's what his statement says.
Thanks for the sarcasm, I can't help my job anmd the interests I have in my life. I get out there and do things. I am a builder, but I dont go and drag a random dog down the road because a client owes me money. I take the client to court or retrieve what I still owe until the client pays in full. I believe the owners are on holiday, the brother of the owners is aware of the situation, I hope he hasnt told them yet so it doesn't ruin their holiday. I think some people panic in situations like that and natural instinct kicks in. It was not right to leave it there, but it wouldnt of helped the dead dog, plus maybe the laws in Belgium mean you don't have to report it, I don't know but that's what his statement says. chris8wright
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10:00pm Fri 25 Nov 11

chris8wright says...

Oh and maybe the Porsche has a massive spoiler on it, could be a Turbo, GT2 or GT3, maybe a body kit on it, no idea what Porsche it is. I wouldnt be looking behind me if driving a Porsche, I would be driving fast and looking in front of me, but I would of probably seen it, who knows
Oh and maybe the Porsche has a massive spoiler on it, could be a Turbo, GT2 or GT3, maybe a body kit on it, no idea what Porsche it is. I wouldnt be looking behind me if driving a Porsche, I would be driving fast and looking in front of me, but I would of probably seen it, who knows chris8wright
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10:10pm Fri 25 Nov 11

appollonia says...

I'd be mortified if that happened to me. A piece of me would die. Those poor owners.

If he's found guilty how will you feel?
I'd be mortified if that happened to me. A piece of me would die. Those poor owners. If he's found guilty how will you feel? appollonia
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10:15pm Fri 25 Nov 11

appollonia says...

How d'ya reckon he got the lead from under the car?
How d'ya reckon he got the lead from under the car? appollonia
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10:18pm Fri 25 Nov 11

chris8wright says...

I too would be mortified, my dog is my best mate, he goes everywhere I go.

if he is guilty, he is guilty and I will not be happy at all, but I stand by what I say in that he is innocent until proven guilty, no one knows the truth and if it does come out then the law will deal with it.

Until then, who are we to give death threats out because people have made their minds up on inconsitant 3rd party information.
I too would be mortified, my dog is my best mate, he goes everywhere I go. if he is guilty, he is guilty and I will not be happy at all, but I stand by what I say in that he is innocent until proven guilty, no one knows the truth and if it does come out then the law will deal with it. Until then, who are we to give death threats out because people have made their minds up on inconsitant 3rd party information. chris8wright
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10:32pm Fri 25 Nov 11

appollonia says...

How did the lead come from under the car?

No need for threats. People never carry them out anyway... just get swept along in the moment... Don't worry
How did the lead come from under the car? No need for threats. People never carry them out anyway... just get swept along in the moment... Don't worry appollonia
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10:38pm Fri 25 Nov 11

chris8wright says...

No idea, no one has said and I wasn't there, maybe he had a pocket knife on him, I carry a Leatherman for all sorts of reasons.

The threats are something that could harm both the dog owner and the driver, because it plays on your mind. I understand people are angry, but if an accident, why be angry at the driver. It worries me because I have seen depression take peoples lives, and I also dislike bullies and the threats are like being in the school playground
No idea, no one has said and I wasn't there, maybe he had a pocket knife on him, I carry a Leatherman for all sorts of reasons. The threats are something that could harm both the dog owner and the driver, because it plays on your mind. I understand people are angry, but if an accident, why be angry at the driver. It worries me because I have seen depression take peoples lives, and I also dislike bullies and the threats are like being in the school playground chris8wright
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5:54pm Sat 26 Nov 11

Mo.StGrumble says...

Hands up all those who actually believe it was an accident?

Thought not.....
Hands up all those who actually believe it was an accident? Thought not..... Mo.StGrumble
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8:41am Sun 27 Nov 11

Old Ladys Gin says...

I do not think he did this deliberately as it would simply be too crazy a thing to do on a busy road.
I'm prepared to wait for a properly investigated official judgement before making one of my own.
I do not think he did this deliberately as it would simply be too crazy a thing to do on a busy road. I'm prepared to wait for a properly investigated official judgement before making one of my own. Old Ladys Gin
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1:34pm Sun 27 Nov 11

Username42 says...

This hysterical rush to judgment is as astonishing as it is depressing.

That so many people prefer to jump to the conclusion that this was a deliberate act of gratuitous cruelty (and call for the driver to suffer an equivalent fate) rather than to let the police and - if necessary - the criminal justice system do their job says far worse things about our society than if this individual does turn out to have been cruel to a dog.

I note a fair sprinkling of racism in the debate too, due to fact that the driver is from continental Europe - apparently a primitive and savage land populated by dog torturers and donkey botherers.

Get a grip.
This hysterical rush to judgment is as astonishing as it is depressing. That so many people prefer to jump to the conclusion that this was a deliberate act of gratuitous cruelty (and call for the driver to suffer an equivalent fate) rather than to let the police and - if necessary - the criminal justice system do their job says far worse things about our society than if this individual does turn out to have been cruel to a dog. I note a fair sprinkling of racism in the debate too, due to fact that the driver is from continental Europe - apparently a primitive and savage land populated by dog torturers and donkey botherers. Get a grip. Username42
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7:09pm Sun 27 Nov 11

a person says...

Mo.StGrumble wrote:
Hands up all those who actually believe it was an accident?

Thought not.....
Yes I believe it was an accident .

Look at the road kill in the roads everyday.

As I have said before, in my opinion he did the same as many other drivers have done .
He accidentally ran over an animal that was lose in the road.
[quote][p][bold]Mo.StGrumble[/bold] wrote: Hands up all those who actually believe it was an accident? Thought not.....[/p][/quote]Yes I believe it was an accident . Look at the road kill in the roads everyday. As I have said before, in my opinion he did the same as many other drivers have done . He accidentally ran over an animal that was lose in the road. a person
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8:51pm Sun 27 Nov 11

Marie2011 says...

I agree that if he's innocent then that's terrible but I'm really struggling to believe that!! And if it's proven he's guilty let's face it our soft laws mean he'll prob get a fine woopee!! So if hes guilty let the animal rights activists loose on him I say. Oh and whoever keeps saying why would he do that in full view on purpose 2 reasons prob because our laws are pathetic and why does any nutter do cruel and sick things?? Because they don't care at the time!!
I agree that if he's innocent then that's terrible but I'm really struggling to believe that!! And if it's proven he's guilty let's face it our soft laws mean he'll prob get a fine woopee!! So if hes guilty let the animal rights activists loose on him I say. Oh and whoever keeps saying why would he do that in full view on purpose 2 reasons prob because our laws are pathetic and why does any nutter do cruel and sick things?? Because they don't care at the time!! Marie2011
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8:56pm Sun 27 Nov 11

Marie2011 says...

Oh and please come on the justice system stinks when it comes to animal cruelty u all know that!!
Oh and please come on the justice system stinks when it comes to animal cruelty u all know that!! Marie2011
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10:47pm Sun 27 Nov 11

a person says...

As I said I believe it was an accident.

I do believe the law is soft on most criminals . I do not believe it would be right to let the animal rights activists lose on anyone.
What right would they have to meter out any of their so called justice on anyone,

I do not believe in mob rule or vigilantes thinking their way is right.
It has been proved in the past they have got it wrong.

There are dogs that chase and kill sheep , foxes and rabbits.
Many dogs have mauled and killed other dogs and people.
Dogs are meant to be on a lead and not roaming free.
As I said I believe it was an accident. I do believe the law is soft on most criminals . I do not believe it would be right to let the animal rights activists lose on anyone. What right would they have to meter out any of their so called justice on anyone, I do not believe in mob rule or vigilantes thinking their way is right. It has been proved in the past they have got it wrong. There are dogs that chase and kill sheep , foxes and rabbits. Many dogs have mauled and killed other dogs and people. Dogs are meant to be on a lead and not roaming free. a person
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7:00pm Mon 28 Nov 11

Flippin Burghers says...

It's extremely unlikely that 'while he was driving past the leash became entangled in the exhaust system of the vehicle':
a) The underside of the car is designed to be as flat as possible for better aero, and
b) The pipes exit out the back through the bodywork.
It's extremely unlikely that 'while he was driving past the leash became entangled in the exhaust system of the vehicle': a) The underside of the car is designed to be as flat as possible for better aero, and b) The pipes exit out the back through the bodywork. Flippin Burghers
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7:26pm Mon 28 Nov 11

chris8wright says...

Flippin Burghers wrote:
It's extremely unlikely that 'while he was driving past the leash became entangled in the exhaust system of the vehicle':
a) The underside of the car is designed to be as flat as possible for better aero, and
b) The pipes exit out the back through the bodywork.
Google "Porsche 911 underneath" and then look at images.

Plenty of snagging points on a Porsche, the engine bay, fuel lines, suspension, exhaust, drive shafts, stabilizer bars, wishbone arms, air con pipes, clips, bolts, mounts, springs, it goes on, so there is credibility to his statement.
[quote][p][bold]Flippin Burghers[/bold] wrote: It's extremely unlikely that 'while he was driving past the leash became entangled in the exhaust system of the vehicle': a) The underside of the car is designed to be as flat as possible for better aero, and b) The pipes exit out the back through the bodywork.[/p][/quote]Google "Porsche 911 underneath" and then look at images. Plenty of snagging points on a Porsche, the engine bay, fuel lines, suspension, exhaust, drive shafts, stabilizer bars, wishbone arms, air con pipes, clips, bolts, mounts, springs, it goes on, so there is credibility to his statement. chris8wright
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2:36am Tue 29 Nov 11

leobrighton says...

Its a totally incredible statement as reported "the dog got loose that afternoon" how did he know? " Read the story and it all seems very strange. I just hope the real truth comes out and the matter is thoroughly investigated.
Its a totally incredible statement as reported "the dog got loose that afternoon" how did he know? " Read the story and it all seems very strange. I just hope the real truth comes out and the matter is thoroughly investigated. leobrighton
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11:37am Tue 29 Nov 11

chris8wright says...

The police might have told him. I don't know. The owners havent said anything, the witness statement isnt correct, the police have not said anything detailed, so how can anyone know what is right or wrong to be able to make a guilty verdict. They can't!
The police might have told him. I don't know. The owners havent said anything, the witness statement isnt correct, the police have not said anything detailed, so how can anyone know what is right or wrong to be able to make a guilty verdict. They can't! chris8wright
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12:37pm Tue 29 Nov 11

TheDrive says...

Certainly this is sad and pretty unpleasant, but why is it by far the most commented on news article (not including me!), given some of the other news items in The Argus, e.g. some of the pretty horrible crimes against people, and the fact the city will be at a virtual standstill tomorrow? It seems excessive - it was a dog, not the poor lad who had his face smashed in at Coalition or the girl who was raped in Hailsham. I don't read about lynch mobs looking for those culprits or making absurd death threats.
Certainly this is sad and pretty unpleasant, but why is it by far the most commented on news article (not including me!), given some of the other news items in The Argus, e.g. some of the pretty horrible crimes against people, and the fact the city will be at a virtual standstill tomorrow? It seems excessive - it was a dog, not the poor lad who had his face smashed in at Coalition or the girl who was raped in Hailsham. I don't read about lynch mobs looking for those culprits or making absurd death threats. TheDrive
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9:17am Wed 30 Nov 11

papa_melons says...

TheDrive wrote:
Certainly this is sad and pretty unpleasant, but why is it by far the most commented on news article (not including me!), given some of the other news items in The Argus, e.g. some of the pretty horrible crimes against people, and the fact the city will be at a virtual standstill tomorrow? It seems excessive - it was a dog, not the poor lad who had his face smashed in at Coalition or the girl who was raped in Hailsham. I don't read about lynch mobs looking for those culprits or making absurd death threats.
this is probably because most of the posters here are spineless keyboard warriors who would probably defaecate at the first sign of excitement
[quote][p][bold]TheDrive[/bold] wrote: Certainly this is sad and pretty unpleasant, but why is it by far the most commented on news article (not including me!), given some of the other news items in The Argus, e.g. some of the pretty horrible crimes against people, and the fact the city will be at a virtual standstill tomorrow? It seems excessive - it was a dog, not the poor lad who had his face smashed in at Coalition or the girl who was raped in Hailsham. I don't read about lynch mobs looking for those culprits or making absurd death threats.[/p][/quote]this is probably because most of the posters here are spineless keyboard warriors who would probably defaecate at the first sign of excitement papa_melons
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