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Brighton seafront parking doubles - and you'll need £20 in change

The amount drivers need to shell out to park on Brighton seafront has rocketed overnight from £4 to £20 a day.

The £20 11-hour charge at Madeira Drive is the new summer rate, which replaces the old summer rate of £10 for 9 hours - and £7 for six hours.

The winter rate of £4, which ended on Saturday, will also rise to £5 once it is reintroduced in October.

The new charges are part of a comprehensive hiking of council parking charges revealed by The Argus last November.

With traders and visitors already counting the pennies, Tim Ridgway asks if this could herald the end of the traditional trip to the British seaside.

A stroll down the promenade, Kiss Me Quick hats and fish and chips – all are elements of the traditional day at the seaside.

But traders say parking charges, which shot up overnight from £4 to £20 a day, will force day trippers away from Brighton.

And with no cards or notes accepted by the majority of seafront ticket machines, motorists have to dish out heaps of coins to pay for their visit to the south coast.

It is part of a wide ranging revamp of parking prices introduced by Brighton and Hove City Council on April 1.

The Green-led local authority said it had increased charges to encourage visitors to think about alternative means of transport.

But, as the impact is taking effect, traders near Brighton and Hove’s most famous attraction, the beach, claim it will drive people away.

Glen Harman, who owns Waves restaurant, said the revised fees will mean he has to pay nearly £3,000 a year to park outside his shop in Madeira Drive during the high season.

He said: “We expected some rise but £20 is just too much. Peoples’ incomes are not increasing so it is just driving people away.

“Those that do stay are not spending money in the shops so it’s taking money away from the town. It’s all about greed.”

The start of the new financial year saw new charges for the 363 spaces in Madeira Drive which are used by tens of thousands of visitors to the city every year.

Prices have been increased by more than 100% and the council’s “simplification” of the charges means that there are no longer three, six and nine hour bands.

This means motorists’ staying longer than four hours have to pay for a new 11 hour band.

Combined with a change of season, all day parking went up from £4 to £20.

Mr Harman added: “It’s like something a schoolchild would have come up with. People come here and want to stay for about six hours not 11 so why have they got rid of that band?

“There were people that came down here to walk the dog on Monday and it cost them £6.”

Dozens of motorists were spotted discussing whether to pay the revised tariff when The Argus visited yesterday.

Some were seen turning around when they saw the cost. Others left their vehicles in bays without paying for a ticket.

Photographer Gary Silver, co-owner of the Jag gallery in the seafront, sent The Argus pictures of Madeira Drive yesterday morning.

There were virtually no cars parked on the usually busy street despite it being the school holidays for Easter. He said: “Normally, cars are cruising up and down searching for a parking place.

“The result is plain to see – no parking revenue for the council and no passing trade for my business.”

“One friend of mine has already said she came down to the beach for a picnic, saw the prices and went to the park instead.”

With traders paying about 1% to the bank to get change, they said they are footing the bill for the failure of most of the machines to accept cards or notes.

Greg Harman, of Life’s A Beach shop in Madeira Drive, said: “There are people driving up, seeing the price and then driving off again. Those that do stay, all day long are coming into the shop and asking for change.”

The revised city-wide parking fees were exclusively revealed by The Argus in November.

Despite the local authority asking people for their views on all the aspects, only 36 responses were received. Ten of these were about the charges in Madeira Drive which led to the local authority introducing reduced year-round rates for 65 bays to the east of Yellowave beach sports venue and cafe.

East Brighton councillor Gill Mitchell, who campaigned for the reduced charge, said: “I’m pleased to have worked with Yellowave so the fees at the far end are not quite as high however what we are left with is a very confusing system.

“We would have been better to reduce the fees rather than have people having to find 20 one pound coins to put into a machine to stay all day.”

A council spokeswoman said: “ Car parking tariffs are highest where there is most demand for spaces and are set to encourage people to think about alternatives.

“The seafront is easily accessible on foot and by bicycle and is served by several regular buses. During the summer months visitors often waste valuable time queuing in their cars or driving around the city looking for spaces – this is bad for them and bad for business.

“We want them to get out of their cars and enjoy what the city has to offer. We accept that coin only machines can be inconvenient and are looking at introducing cashless parking machines in some areas of the city.”

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12:17pm Wed 4 Apr 12

Michael Inkpin-Leissner says...

As I said once: The Greens declared a war on car users!
As I said once: The Greens declared a war on car users! Michael Inkpin-Leissner
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12:30pm Wed 4 Apr 12

fred clause says...

and this is why the seafront is empty of parked cars well done greens this has backfired on you nicely
and this is why the seafront is empty of parked cars well done greens this has backfired on you nicely fred clause
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12:38pm Wed 4 Apr 12

Hove Actually says...

“We want them to get out of their cars and enjoy what the city has to offer"

Then why not build a PROPER PARK & RIDE you useless sacks of council waste
“We want them to get out of their cars and enjoy what the city has to offer" Then why not build a PROPER PARK & RIDE you useless sacks of council waste Hove Actually
  • Score: 1

12:46pm Wed 4 Apr 12

SteveHove says...

Where is all this money going as the parking fees were set up as a non profit making scheme to aid movment around the city
Where is all this money going as the parking fees were set up as a non profit making scheme to aid movment around the city SteveHove
  • Score: 0

12:49pm Wed 4 Apr 12

monkeymoo says...

This is is a REALLY stupid idea!

At least i live here and can walk to the beach in 2 mins...I'll just have to remind all my friends and family not to visit Brighton as they wont be able to park anywhere.....No income for the council i guess!
This is is a REALLY stupid idea! At least i live here and can walk to the beach in 2 mins...I'll just have to remind all my friends and family not to visit Brighton as they wont be able to park anywhere.....No income for the council i guess! monkeymoo
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12:55pm Wed 4 Apr 12

longwayhome says...

“The seafront is easily accessible on foot and by bicycle and is served by several regular buses." Please can we told what numbers these regular buses are because as far as I was aware only the infrequent No.77 serves the seafront and I'm pretty sure there aren't any buses running along Madeira Drive?
“The seafront is easily accessible on foot and by bicycle and is served by several regular buses." Please can we told what numbers these regular buses are because as far as I was aware only the infrequent No.77 serves the seafront and I'm pretty sure there aren't any buses running along Madeira Drive? longwayhome
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12:55pm Wed 4 Apr 12

rolivan says...

They will have so much money in them they will soon become a target.
They will have so much money in them they will soon become a target. rolivan
  • Score: 0

1:13pm Wed 4 Apr 12

Retired Loon in Brighton says...

It was a bit presumptious for all us peasants to be driving around in cars anyway. Perhaps someone is organising for apprentices to walk around in front of electric cars waving a flag to prevent collisions? It would help sort out the youth unemployment statistics.

What seems funny is that someone at the council must really have thought this was a good idea. Do they have a scaled-down model of the city that they squat over when constipated? If so, do they try and make the pointless mini model wind-farm spin via flatulence? No more ridiculous than squeezing the c rap out of hard-working people already skint from paying their cous cous jojoba solar wind **** tax. I think we should be told.
It was a bit presumptious for all us peasants to be driving around in cars anyway. Perhaps someone is organising for apprentices to walk around in front of electric cars waving a flag to prevent collisions? It would help sort out the youth unemployment statistics. What seems funny is that someone at the council must really have thought this was a good idea. Do they have a scaled-down model of the city that they squat over when constipated? If so, do they try and make the pointless mini model wind-farm spin via flatulence? No more ridiculous than squeezing the c rap out of hard-working people already skint from paying their cous cous jojoba solar wind **** tax. I think we should be told. Retired Loon in Brighton
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1:18pm Wed 4 Apr 12

Retired Loon in Brighton says...

**** should have spelled 'farm' but a 't' was inserted fortuitously for the 'm'.
**** should have spelled 'farm' but a 't' was inserted fortuitously for the 'm'. Retired Loon in Brighton
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1:20pm Wed 4 Apr 12

Mark63 says...

What extortionate and vulgar increases that B&HCC has forced on its inhabitants and visitors!

Their insistence in punishing people who DO NOT WISH TO USE smelly, noisy and unhealthy public transport options, nor ride on 2 wheels in all weathers is completely disgusting.

It is not just the fact that costs have risen by up to a criminal 120% in places, but the fact that the money-swallowing machines only accept coins, resulting in additional purchases (more cost!) just to be able to feed them! Who carries £20 worth of coins around with them? I rarely have £5 worth of coins on me, just to be able to leave my car close to where I work.

I don't want to waste time sat on a crowded, noisy, smelly and downright unhealthy bus. Who would pay for such an experience, to be surrounded by screaming kids, smelly drunks, noisy teenagers and coughs and colds?!

They're making huge amounts of money from these hikes (Probably pay-back for not getting their lunatic way with the Council Task). And what they do with this extra revenue? They make the roads SMALLER, by adding 6’ (rarely used) cycle paths and bus stops that stick out into the narrow streets with far too many busses stopping traffic all over the city. Brighton - the only place where you can see 13 busses in their own traffic jam – and most of them on the same numbered route! Pathetic!

Is the Council full of imbeciles?!? Does the current pressure on household costs mean nothing to them?

Will this encourage people to change their habits? Not a chance!

What it will do is:

-force people away from visiting
-cause businesses to lose custom
-force key workers to leave the city or seek work elsewhere
-make Brighton the place that nobody wants to visit, apart from the beer swilling louts (of both sexes) who ruin the City Centre by night, so need a bus/train/cab/walk home.

The Council should be completely ashamed of what they are doing to future of Brighton and Hove.

The next elections cannot come soon enough!
What extortionate and vulgar increases that B&HCC has forced on its inhabitants and visitors! Their insistence in punishing people who DO NOT WISH TO USE smelly, noisy and unhealthy public transport options, nor ride on 2 wheels in all weathers is completely disgusting. It is not just the fact that costs have risen by up to a criminal 120% in places, but the fact that the money-swallowing machines only accept coins, resulting in additional purchases (more cost!) just to be able to feed them! Who carries £20 worth of coins around with them? I rarely have £5 worth of coins on me, just to be able to leave my car close to where I work. I don't want to waste time sat on a crowded, noisy, smelly and downright unhealthy bus. Who would pay for such an experience, to be surrounded by screaming kids, smelly drunks, noisy teenagers and coughs and colds?! They're making huge amounts of money from these hikes (Probably pay-back for not getting their lunatic way with the Council Task). And what they do with this extra revenue? They make the roads SMALLER, by adding 6’ (rarely used) cycle paths and bus stops that stick out into the narrow streets with far too many busses stopping traffic all over the city. Brighton - the only place where you can see 13 busses in their own traffic jam – and most of them on the same numbered route! Pathetic! Is the Council full of imbeciles?!? Does the current pressure on household costs mean nothing to them? Will this encourage people to change their habits? Not a chance! What it will do is: -force people away from visiting -cause businesses to lose custom -force key workers to leave the city or seek work elsewhere -make Brighton the place that nobody wants to visit, apart from the beer swilling louts (of both sexes) who ruin the City Centre by night, so need a bus/train/cab/walk home. The Council should be completely ashamed of what they are doing to future of Brighton and Hove. The next elections cannot come soon enough! Mark63
  • Score: 0

1:25pm Wed 4 Apr 12

fedupwithgreens says...

Michael Inkpin-Leissner wrote:
As I said once: The Greens declared a war on car users!
Ill be popping down there this weekend and checking the bay markings com
[quote][p][bold]Michael Inkpin-Leissner[/bold] wrote: As I said once: The Greens declared a war on car users![/p][/quote]Ill be popping down there this weekend and checking the bay markings com fedupwithgreens
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1:25pm Wed 4 Apr 12

fedupwithgreens says...

Michael Inkpin-Leissner wrote:
As I said once: The Greens declared a war on car users!
Ill be popping down there this weekend and checking the bay markings comply with current legislation!!! Watch this space!!! If there incorrect,there unenforceable in law
[quote][p][bold]Michael Inkpin-Leissner[/bold] wrote: As I said once: The Greens declared a war on car users![/p][/quote]Ill be popping down there this weekend and checking the bay markings comply with current legislation!!! Watch this space!!! If there incorrect,there unenforceable in law fedupwithgreens
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1:28pm Wed 4 Apr 12

fedupwithgreens says...

rolivan wrote:
They will have so much money in them they will soon become a target.
Now theres an idea!!!!
[quote][p][bold]rolivan[/bold] wrote: They will have so much money in them they will soon become a target.[/p][/quote]Now theres an idea!!!! fedupwithgreens
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1:29pm Wed 4 Apr 12

Ballroom Blitz says...

This is the ultimate Green Party idiocy.
Brighton is, and always has been reliant on visitors for trade. Visitors will vote with their feet (well, their cars) after having been caught once by this extortion.
Worthing and Eastbourne - prepare yourselves for a tourist influx.
I think I'm right in saying that the first place heading east along the coast where you can park for free is now at Saltdean Lido.
The two small car parks there will be full to overflowing, if we get a decent summer.
I work in retail in Brighton. You can already see the results of this misguided policy - shops in prime sites in the town standing empty.
The Greens are total idiots, and I hope they get forced out at the next elections. They are destroying everything this city was built on.
This is the ultimate Green Party idiocy. Brighton is, and always has been reliant on visitors for trade. Visitors will vote with their feet (well, their cars) after having been caught once by this extortion. Worthing and Eastbourne - prepare yourselves for a tourist influx. I think I'm right in saying that the first place heading east along the coast where you can park for free is now at Saltdean Lido. The two small car parks there will be full to overflowing, if we get a decent summer. I work in retail in Brighton. You can already see the results of this misguided policy - shops in prime sites in the town standing empty. The Greens are total idiots, and I hope they get forced out at the next elections. They are destroying everything this city was built on. Ballroom Blitz
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1:34pm Wed 4 Apr 12

Ballroom Blitz says...

I wouldn't be surprised if this makes Brighton and Hove the most expensive city in the UK for parking. It's definitely more expensive than central London.
I wouldn't be surprised if this makes Brighton and Hove the most expensive city in the UK for parking. It's definitely more expensive than central London. Ballroom Blitz
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1:34pm Wed 4 Apr 12

bigfella777 says...

How did all the Victorians get to Brighton I wonder? On the train,why oh why do people have to be reliant on cars to have a day out.Let the train take the stress, jump on have a cuddle and open a bottle of cider and relax!
How did all the Victorians get to Brighton I wonder? On the train,why oh why do people have to be reliant on cars to have a day out.Let the train take the stress, jump on have a cuddle and open a bottle of cider and relax! bigfella777
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1:35pm Wed 4 Apr 12

Bubs says...

Watch everyone go to Eastbourne. Nicer beach, nicer promenade and a couple of pounds to park all day and no queues to get into the town. Well done Brighton!!!
Watch everyone go to Eastbourne. Nicer beach, nicer promenade and a couple of pounds to park all day and no queues to get into the town. Well done Brighton!!! Bubs
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1:36pm Wed 4 Apr 12

bigfella777 says...

Mark63 wrote:
What extortionate and vulgar increases that B&HCC has forced on its inhabitants and visitors!

Their insistence in punishing people who DO NOT WISH TO USE smelly, noisy and unhealthy public transport options, nor ride on 2 wheels in all weathers is completely disgusting.

It is not just the fact that costs have risen by up to a criminal 120% in places, but the fact that the money-swallowing machines only accept coins, resulting in additional purchases (more cost!) just to be able to feed them! Who carries £20 worth of coins around with them? I rarely have £5 worth of coins on me, just to be able to leave my car close to where I work.

I don't want to waste time sat on a crowded, noisy, smelly and downright unhealthy bus. Who would pay for such an experience, to be surrounded by screaming kids, smelly drunks, noisy teenagers and coughs and colds?!

They're making huge amounts of money from these hikes (Probably pay-back for not getting their lunatic way with the Council Task). And what they do with this extra revenue? They make the roads SMALLER, by adding 6’ (rarely used) cycle paths and bus stops that stick out into the narrow streets with far too many busses stopping traffic all over the city. Brighton - the only place where you can see 13 busses in their own traffic jam – and most of them on the same numbered route! Pathetic!

Is the Council full of imbeciles?!? Does the current pressure on household costs mean nothing to them?

Will this encourage people to change their habits? Not a chance!

What it will do is:

-force people away from visiting
-cause businesses to lose custom
-force key workers to leave the city or seek work elsewhere
-make Brighton the place that nobody wants to visit, apart from the beer swilling louts (of both sexes) who ruin the City Centre by night, so need a bus/train/cab/walk home.

The Council should be completely ashamed of what they are doing to future of Brighton and Hove.

The next elections cannot come soon enough!
Snob
[quote][p][bold]Mark63[/bold] wrote: What extortionate and vulgar increases that B&HCC has forced on its inhabitants and visitors! Their insistence in punishing people who DO NOT WISH TO USE smelly, noisy and unhealthy public transport options, nor ride on 2 wheels in all weathers is completely disgusting. It is not just the fact that costs have risen by up to a criminal 120% in places, but the fact that the money-swallowing machines only accept coins, resulting in additional purchases (more cost!) just to be able to feed them! Who carries £20 worth of coins around with them? I rarely have £5 worth of coins on me, just to be able to leave my car close to where I work. I don't want to waste time sat on a crowded, noisy, smelly and downright unhealthy bus. Who would pay for such an experience, to be surrounded by screaming kids, smelly drunks, noisy teenagers and coughs and colds?! They're making huge amounts of money from these hikes (Probably pay-back for not getting their lunatic way with the Council Task). And what they do with this extra revenue? They make the roads SMALLER, by adding 6’ (rarely used) cycle paths and bus stops that stick out into the narrow streets with far too many busses stopping traffic all over the city. Brighton - the only place where you can see 13 busses in their own traffic jam – and most of them on the same numbered route! Pathetic! Is the Council full of imbeciles?!? Does the current pressure on household costs mean nothing to them? Will this encourage people to change their habits? Not a chance! What it will do is: -force people away from visiting -cause businesses to lose custom -force key workers to leave the city or seek work elsewhere -make Brighton the place that nobody wants to visit, apart from the beer swilling louts (of both sexes) who ruin the City Centre by night, so need a bus/train/cab/walk home. The Council should be completely ashamed of what they are doing to future of Brighton and Hove. The next elections cannot come soon enough![/p][/quote]Snob bigfella777
  • Score: -1

1:38pm Wed 4 Apr 12

Number Six says...

The really stupid part is that you've got have up to twenty pound coins in your pocket. How long will it be before someone goes around and breaks into them
The really stupid part is that you've got have up to twenty pound coins in your pocket. How long will it be before someone goes around and breaks into them Number Six
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1:43pm Wed 4 Apr 12

fedupwithgreens says...

Michael Inkpin-Leissner wrote:
As I said once: The Greens declared a war on car users!
And ive declared a war on the illegally marked unenforceable parking bays in the entire city!!!
[quote][p][bold]Michael Inkpin-Leissner[/bold] wrote: As I said once: The Greens declared a war on car users![/p][/quote]And ive declared a war on the illegally marked unenforceable parking bays in the entire city!!! fedupwithgreens
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1:53pm Wed 4 Apr 12

DrMhiranPatel says...

Hello all,

I wished to write a comment as this issue has had me fuming for the last 3-4 days. Currently, I live on the seafront (Marine Parade) and need my car to drive to work. Before 1st April I drove home for work and was not required to pay anything as I get back after 6PM and leave before 9AM. So obviously for purely selfish reasons I hate to see the council decide to increase the time to 8PM and increase the parking charge for two hours by 272%. So now I have to pay £6 a day to park relatively close to my flat.

"Get a parking permit as you are a resident" I hear you all scream... (I plan to, but this brings up a whole different conversation. There are simply not enough permit holder spaces for the number of residents in the area. I am given a Zone C permit, when there are only 16 spaces for over 100 people in a 1000m radius!)

This situation is just making me disillusioned with life in Brighton, one thing after another. I am sure that the council would hate to lose a vital member of the community such as myself. (And I have told them as much in a strongly worded complaints letter)

As someone above has quite rightly pointed out, from No 1-89 Marine Parade is completely devoid of cars. Nice one B&HCC that really did backfire. PS. Mark63, the increase is not only the cost (which incedently has risen upto 250%) but its also the later finishing time of 8PM. Additionally, do not get me started on the ridiculous premise that members of the public are carrying twenty £1 coins with them!

Dr Patel
Hello all, I wished to write a comment as this issue has had me fuming for the last 3-4 days. Currently, I live on the seafront (Marine Parade) and need my car to drive to work. Before 1st April I drove home for work and was not required to pay anything as I get back after 6PM and leave before 9AM. So obviously for purely selfish reasons I hate to see the council decide to increase the time to 8PM and increase the parking charge for two hours by 272%. So now I have to pay £6 a day to park relatively close to my flat. "Get a parking permit as you are a resident" I hear you all scream... (I plan to, but this brings up a whole different conversation. There are simply not enough permit holder spaces for the number of residents in the area. I am given a Zone C permit, when there are only 16 spaces for over 100 people in a 1000m radius!) This situation is just making me disillusioned with life in Brighton, one thing after another. I am sure that the council would hate to lose a vital member of the community such as myself. (And I have told them as much in a strongly worded complaints letter) As someone above has quite rightly pointed out, from No 1-89 Marine Parade is completely devoid of cars. Nice one B&HCC that really did backfire. PS. Mark63, the increase is not only the cost (which incedently has risen upto 250%) but its also the later finishing time of 8PM. Additionally, do not get me started on the ridiculous premise that members of the public are carrying twenty £1 coins with them! Dr Patel DrMhiranPatel
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2:00pm Wed 4 Apr 12

Warren Morgan says...

Much of Madeira Drive is in my ward, and it is home to businesses and tourist atractions like Yellowave beach volleyball arena, cafes and more. It's an area we have been trying to improve for tourists and local people for years. This action by the Greens will kill off some of the businesses there and force people to go elsewhere. The Greens cannot continue to put saving the planet ahead of local businesses, tourism and jobs - we had a balance between leading on tackling climate change under Labour whilst keeping the city competitive. We need to get back to a sensible and realistic balance.
Much of Madeira Drive is in my ward, and it is home to businesses and tourist atractions like Yellowave beach volleyball arena, cafes and more. It's an area we have been trying to improve for tourists and local people for years. This action by the Greens will kill off some of the businesses there and force people to go elsewhere. The Greens cannot continue to put saving the planet ahead of local businesses, tourism and jobs - we had a balance between leading on tackling climate change under Labour whilst keeping the city competitive. We need to get back to a sensible and realistic balance. Warren Morgan
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2:05pm Wed 4 Apr 12

bigfella777 says...

Nobody NEEDS a car!
Nobody NEEDS a car! bigfella777
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2:17pm Wed 4 Apr 12

efembe123 says...

bigfella777 wrote:
Mark63 wrote:
What extortionate and vulgar increases that B&HCC has forced on its inhabitants and visitors!

Their insistence in punishing people who DO NOT WISH TO USE smelly, noisy and unhealthy public transport options, nor ride on 2 wheels in all weathers is completely disgusting.

It is not just the fact that costs have risen by up to a criminal 120% in places, but the fact that the money-swallowing machines only accept coins, resulting in additional purchases (more cost!) just to be able to feed them! Who carries £20 worth of coins around with them? I rarely have £5 worth of coins on me, just to be able to leave my car close to where I work.

I don't want to waste time sat on a crowded, noisy, smelly and downright unhealthy bus. Who would pay for such an experience, to be surrounded by screaming kids, smelly drunks, noisy teenagers and coughs and colds?!

They're making huge amounts of money from these hikes (Probably pay-back for not getting their lunatic way with the Council Task). And what they do with this extra revenue? They make the roads SMALLER, by adding 6’ (rarely used) cycle paths and bus stops that stick out into the narrow streets with far too many busses stopping traffic all over the city. Brighton - the only place where you can see 13 busses in their own traffic jam – and most of them on the same numbered route! Pathetic!

Is the Council full of imbeciles?!? Does the current pressure on household costs mean nothing to them?

Will this encourage people to change their habits? Not a chance!

What it will do is:

-force people away from visiting
-cause businesses to lose custom
-force key workers to leave the city or seek work elsewhere
-make Brighton the place that nobody wants to visit, apart from the beer swilling louts (of both sexes) who ruin the City Centre by night, so need a bus/train/cab/walk home.

The Council should be completely ashamed of what they are doing to future of Brighton and Hove.

The next elections cannot come soon enough!
Snob
Mark63 I love you...beautifully written....and not a snob I'm sure quoted by someone else....
[quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mark63[/bold] wrote: What extortionate and vulgar increases that B&HCC has forced on its inhabitants and visitors! Their insistence in punishing people who DO NOT WISH TO USE smelly, noisy and unhealthy public transport options, nor ride on 2 wheels in all weathers is completely disgusting. It is not just the fact that costs have risen by up to a criminal 120% in places, but the fact that the money-swallowing machines only accept coins, resulting in additional purchases (more cost!) just to be able to feed them! Who carries £20 worth of coins around with them? I rarely have £5 worth of coins on me, just to be able to leave my car close to where I work. I don't want to waste time sat on a crowded, noisy, smelly and downright unhealthy bus. Who would pay for such an experience, to be surrounded by screaming kids, smelly drunks, noisy teenagers and coughs and colds?! They're making huge amounts of money from these hikes (Probably pay-back for not getting their lunatic way with the Council Task). And what they do with this extra revenue? They make the roads SMALLER, by adding 6’ (rarely used) cycle paths and bus stops that stick out into the narrow streets with far too many busses stopping traffic all over the city. Brighton - the only place where you can see 13 busses in their own traffic jam – and most of them on the same numbered route! Pathetic! Is the Council full of imbeciles?!? Does the current pressure on household costs mean nothing to them? Will this encourage people to change their habits? Not a chance! What it will do is: -force people away from visiting -cause businesses to lose custom -force key workers to leave the city or seek work elsewhere -make Brighton the place that nobody wants to visit, apart from the beer swilling louts (of both sexes) who ruin the City Centre by night, so need a bus/train/cab/walk home. The Council should be completely ashamed of what they are doing to future of Brighton and Hove. The next elections cannot come soon enough![/p][/quote]Snob[/p][/quote]Mark63 I love you...beautifully written....and not a snob I'm sure quoted by someone else.... efembe123
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2:19pm Wed 4 Apr 12

DrMhiranPatel says...

bigfella777 wrote:
Nobody NEEDS a car!
Some do... It is either a car, or moving out of Brighton closer to work. Not quite sure which the council will prefer!
[quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: Nobody NEEDS a car![/p][/quote]Some do... It is either a car, or moving out of Brighton closer to work. Not quite sure which the council will prefer! DrMhiranPatel
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2:20pm Wed 4 Apr 12

ripmaxman says...

How to kill of what was once a thriving summer location for visitors.

What idiot at the Council thought this was a good idea and that it would bring more money into the Councils coffers!

With all the increases in parking charges Brighton will become a ghost town.

Will the last person to leave please turn the lights off!!!
How to kill of what was once a thriving summer location for visitors. What idiot at the Council thought this was a good idea and that it would bring more money into the Councils coffers! With all the increases in parking charges Brighton will become a ghost town. Will the last person to leave please turn the lights off!!! ripmaxman
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2:22pm Wed 4 Apr 12

Fercri Sakes says...

Ballroom Blitz wrote:
This is the ultimate Green Party idiocy.
Brighton is, and always has been reliant on visitors for trade. Visitors will vote with their feet (well, their cars) after having been caught once by this extortion.
Worthing and Eastbourne - prepare yourselves for a tourist influx.
I think I'm right in saying that the first place heading east along the coast where you can park for free is now at Saltdean Lido.
The two small car parks there will be full to overflowing, if we get a decent summer.
I work in retail in Brighton. You can already see the results of this misguided policy - shops in prime sites in the town standing empty.
The Greens are total idiots, and I hope they get forced out at the next elections. They are destroying everything this city was built on.
When they built the A27 Brighton by-pass people like you said nobody would visit the town and go to Eastbourne instead. I think we get a lot more people in Brighton now.

People will still come, and there may be less cars to clog up the city and seafront in the summer. I know that that puts lots of people off coming to visit.

But I do agree that a decent Park and Ride needs to be put into place.
[quote][p][bold]Ballroom Blitz[/bold] wrote: This is the ultimate Green Party idiocy. Brighton is, and always has been reliant on visitors for trade. Visitors will vote with their feet (well, their cars) after having been caught once by this extortion. Worthing and Eastbourne - prepare yourselves for a tourist influx. I think I'm right in saying that the first place heading east along the coast where you can park for free is now at Saltdean Lido. The two small car parks there will be full to overflowing, if we get a decent summer. I work in retail in Brighton. You can already see the results of this misguided policy - shops in prime sites in the town standing empty. The Greens are total idiots, and I hope they get forced out at the next elections. They are destroying everything this city was built on.[/p][/quote]When they built the A27 Brighton by-pass people like you said nobody would visit the town and go to Eastbourne instead. I think we get a lot more people in Brighton now. People will still come, and there may be less cars to clog up the city and seafront in the summer. I know that that puts lots of people off coming to visit. But I do agree that a decent Park and Ride needs to be put into place. Fercri Sakes
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2:23pm Wed 4 Apr 12

Charismatic Andrew says...

Number Six wrote:
The really stupid part is that you've got have up to twenty pound coins in your pocket. How long will it be before someone goes around and breaks into them
I've already done it. It was the only way I could get hold of 20 £1 coins to put in my meter.
[quote][p][bold]Number Six[/bold] wrote: The really stupid part is that you've got have up to twenty pound coins in your pocket. How long will it be before someone goes around and breaks into them[/p][/quote]I've already done it. It was the only way I could get hold of 20 £1 coins to put in my meter. Charismatic Andrew
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2:26pm Wed 4 Apr 12

Fercri Sakes says...

Warren Morgan wrote:
Much of Madeira Drive is in my ward, and it is home to businesses and tourist atractions like Yellowave beach volleyball arena, cafes and more. It's an area we have been trying to improve for tourists and local people for years. This action by the Greens will kill off some of the businesses there and force people to go elsewhere. The Greens cannot continue to put saving the planet ahead of local businesses, tourism and jobs - we had a balance between leading on tackling climate change under Labour whilst keeping the city competitive. We need to get back to a sensible and realistic balance.
It's not about saving the planet, it's about reducing the amount of cars on the streets of Brighton.

Can you not remember what the traffic is like on a hot sunny weekend in the summer? It's gridlocked. And us, the locals, have to breathe in all those holiday maker's fumes.
[quote][p][bold]Warren Morgan[/bold] wrote: Much of Madeira Drive is in my ward, and it is home to businesses and tourist atractions like Yellowave beach volleyball arena, cafes and more. It's an area we have been trying to improve for tourists and local people for years. This action by the Greens will kill off some of the businesses there and force people to go elsewhere. The Greens cannot continue to put saving the planet ahead of local businesses, tourism and jobs - we had a balance between leading on tackling climate change under Labour whilst keeping the city competitive. We need to get back to a sensible and realistic balance.[/p][/quote]It's not about saving the planet, it's about reducing the amount of cars on the streets of Brighton. Can you not remember what the traffic is like on a hot sunny weekend in the summer? It's gridlocked. And us, the locals, have to breathe in all those holiday maker's fumes. Fercri Sakes
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2:28pm Wed 4 Apr 12

Spanners says...

bigfella777 wrote:
Nobody NEEDS a car!
well of course they don't.
Doctors on emergency call should go by bus. Mums with three kids and a day job should go by bus to drop of baby 1 at nursery then by bike to drop off other two kids at school on the other side of town before skateborading to work (all by 9.30am). Tradesmen should balance all their tools on their heads and then cycle everywhere. Delivery drivers should simply chuck goods as far as they can and hope they make the rest of the journey on their own. And as for tourists and shoppers who, are ostensibley out for pleasure and will spend money, should be forced to use the cheap and reliable train/bus and park'n'ride services (which dont exist and the rubbish services that do hate people with bags of shopping, buggies and kids)

So clearly you are right ! Nobody NEEDS a car, they just need air, water, food and shelter. Still bearing in mind that we live a rather more complex world than that, you know, with an economic and social structure (and a local reliance on tourist trade) perhaps what you have just stated is an utter load of old cobblers
[quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: Nobody NEEDS a car![/p][/quote]well of course they don't. Doctors on emergency call should go by bus. Mums with three kids and a day job should go by bus to drop of baby 1 at nursery then by bike to drop off other two kids at school on the other side of town before skateborading to work (all by 9.30am). Tradesmen should balance all their tools on their heads and then cycle everywhere. Delivery drivers should simply chuck goods as far as they can and hope they make the rest of the journey on their own. And as for tourists and shoppers who, are ostensibley out for pleasure and will spend money, should be forced to use the cheap and reliable train/bus and park'n'ride services (which dont exist and the rubbish services that do hate people with bags of shopping, buggies and kids) So clearly you are right ! Nobody NEEDS a car, they just need air, water, food and shelter. Still bearing in mind that we live a rather more complex world than that, you know, with an economic and social structure (and a local reliance on tourist trade) perhaps what you have just stated is an utter load of old cobblers Spanners
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2:37pm Wed 4 Apr 12

ripmaxman says...

bigfella777 wrote:
How did all the Victorians get to Brighton I wonder? On the train,why oh why do people have to be reliant on cars to have a day out.Let the train take the stress, jump on have a cuddle and open a bottle of cider and relax!
How much do you think it would cost a family to come to Brighton by train?

For 2 Adults the return fare from London Victoria is around £48. I’m not sure what the additional cost for a child’s ticket is. Lest say for example it’s 50% of the adult ticket, that would be an additional £12 per child.

That cost in these hard pressed times on a family’s income would be hard to justify for a day out and that does not include the additional costs like food and drink!
[quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: How did all the Victorians get to Brighton I wonder? On the train,why oh why do people have to be reliant on cars to have a day out.Let the train take the stress, jump on have a cuddle and open a bottle of cider and relax![/p][/quote]How much do you think it would cost a family to come to Brighton by train? For 2 Adults the return fare from London Victoria is around £48. I’m not sure what the additional cost for a child’s ticket is. Lest say for example it’s 50% of the adult ticket, that would be an additional £12 per child. That cost in these hard pressed times on a family’s income would be hard to justify for a day out and that does not include the additional costs like food and drink! ripmaxman
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2:39pm Wed 4 Apr 12

Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit says...

Michael Inkpin-Leissner wrote:
As I said once: The Greens declared a war on car users!
They haven't declared war on car users - they've declared war on visitors.

You tell by some of the posts on here (and most Greens are urbanites) that they think that everybody in a car is 'lazy' and/or 'selfish' and that absolutely EVERYBODY who drives into Brighton could easily have come by public transport.

I think most intelligent people realise what a facile and sweepingly-incorrect policy/philosophy that is. Trouble is we're not running the city ...
[quote][p][bold]Michael Inkpin-Leissner[/bold] wrote: As I said once: The Greens declared a war on car users![/p][/quote]They haven't declared war on car users - they've declared war on visitors. You tell by some of the posts on here (and most Greens are urbanites) that they think that everybody in a car is 'lazy' and/or 'selfish' and that absolutely EVERYBODY who drives into Brighton could easily have come by public transport. I think most intelligent people realise what a facile and sweepingly-incorrect policy/philosophy that is. Trouble is we're not running the city ... Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit
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2:53pm Wed 4 Apr 12

fred clause says...

those same tourists who bring im millions of pounds to Brightons economy every year im guessing you would rather have most of Brightons shops shut and Brighton become a total slum instead.
those same tourists who bring im millions of pounds to Brightons economy every year im guessing you would rather have most of Brightons shops shut and Brighton become a total slum instead. fred clause
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2:55pm Wed 4 Apr 12

thump3s says...

I wonder how much Roger French was involved in this, he probably agreed that B&H buses would pay for the signage or something.

I can't think of anywhere else where a private company has monopolised an industry and has wields so much influence as B&H buses has in the transport dealings of this City.
I wonder how much Roger French was involved in this, he probably agreed that B&H buses would pay for the signage or something. I can't think of anywhere else where a private company has monopolised an industry and has wields so much influence as B&H buses has in the transport dealings of this City. thump3s
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3:04pm Wed 4 Apr 12

Fight Back says...

“We want them to get out of their cars and enjoy what the city has to offer. We accept that coin only machines can be inconvenient and are looking at introducing cashless parking machines in some areas of the city.”

You couldn't make such an idiotic statement up. So you want visitors still to come BUT get out of their cars ? Where exactly are these cars to be parked if it isn't in the spaces you are now ripping people off for ? And to the idiot that suggested the train - have you seen how few trains run on a weekend and how early they stop ? Or indeed how expensive they are ? This city relies on tourist trade and the Greens are determined to kill it. Here's a challenge to the Greens - lets measure the drop in tourist trade for this summer. What every percent that drop is YOU have to take that drop in the expenses etc that YOU are paid ? I bet you don't take THAT challenge up as you're only interested in hurting other people rather than yourselves. Time to kick the Greens out.
“We want them to get out of their cars and enjoy what the city has to offer. We accept that coin only machines can be inconvenient and are looking at introducing cashless parking machines in some areas of the city.” You couldn't make such an idiotic statement up. So you want visitors still to come BUT get out of their cars ? Where exactly are these cars to be parked if it isn't in the spaces you are now ripping people off for ? And to the idiot that suggested the train - have you seen how few trains run on a weekend and how early they stop ? Or indeed how expensive they are ? This city relies on tourist trade and the Greens are determined to kill it. Here's a challenge to the Greens - lets measure the drop in tourist trade for this summer. What every percent that drop is YOU have to take that drop in the expenses etc that YOU are paid ? I bet you don't take THAT challenge up as you're only interested in hurting other people rather than yourselves. Time to kick the Greens out. Fight Back
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3:06pm Wed 4 Apr 12

bigfella777 says...

Spanners wrote:
bigfella777 wrote:
Nobody NEEDS a car!
well of course they don't.
Doctors on emergency call should go by bus. Mums with three kids and a day job should go by bus to drop of baby 1 at nursery then by bike to drop off other two kids at school on the other side of town before skateborading to work (all by 9.30am). Tradesmen should balance all their tools on their heads and then cycle everywhere. Delivery drivers should simply chuck goods as far as they can and hope they make the rest of the journey on their own. And as for tourists and shoppers who, are ostensibley out for pleasure and will spend money, should be forced to use the cheap and reliable train/bus and park'n'ride services (which dont exist and the rubbish services that do hate people with bags of shopping, buggies and kids)

So clearly you are right ! Nobody NEEDS a car, they just need air, water, food and shelter. Still bearing in mind that we live a rather more complex world than that, you know, with an economic and social structure (and a local reliance on tourist trade) perhaps what you have just stated is an utter load of old cobblers
None of those people you have mentioned are parking on the seafront and do you think that women always had cars? How come I can manage without a car but others cannot?
[quote][p][bold]Spanners[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: Nobody NEEDS a car![/p][/quote]well of course they don't. Doctors on emergency call should go by bus. Mums with three kids and a day job should go by bus to drop of baby 1 at nursery then by bike to drop off other two kids at school on the other side of town before skateborading to work (all by 9.30am). Tradesmen should balance all their tools on their heads and then cycle everywhere. Delivery drivers should simply chuck goods as far as they can and hope they make the rest of the journey on their own. And as for tourists and shoppers who, are ostensibley out for pleasure and will spend money, should be forced to use the cheap and reliable train/bus and park'n'ride services (which dont exist and the rubbish services that do hate people with bags of shopping, buggies and kids) So clearly you are right ! Nobody NEEDS a car, they just need air, water, food and shelter. Still bearing in mind that we live a rather more complex world than that, you know, with an economic and social structure (and a local reliance on tourist trade) perhaps what you have just stated is an utter load of old cobblers[/p][/quote]None of those people you have mentioned are parking on the seafront and do you think that women always had cars? How come I can manage without a car but others cannot? bigfella777
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3:07pm Wed 4 Apr 12

bigfella777 says...

Fight Back wrote:
“We want them to get out of their cars and enjoy what the city has to offer. We accept that coin only machines can be inconvenient and are looking at introducing cashless parking machines in some areas of the city.”

You couldn't make such an idiotic statement up. So you want visitors still to come BUT get out of their cars ? Where exactly are these cars to be parked if it isn't in the spaces you are now ripping people off for ? And to the idiot that suggested the train - have you seen how few trains run on a weekend and how early they stop ? Or indeed how expensive they are ? This city relies on tourist trade and the Greens are determined to kill it. Here's a challenge to the Greens - lets measure the drop in tourist trade for this summer. What every percent that drop is YOU have to take that drop in the expenses etc that YOU are paid ? I bet you don't take THAT challenge up as you're only interested in hurting other people rather than yourselves. Time to kick the Greens out.
The trains are cheap as bits on a weekend if you used them you would know that.
[quote][p][bold]Fight Back[/bold] wrote: “We want them to get out of their cars and enjoy what the city has to offer. We accept that coin only machines can be inconvenient and are looking at introducing cashless parking machines in some areas of the city.” You couldn't make such an idiotic statement up. So you want visitors still to come BUT get out of their cars ? Where exactly are these cars to be parked if it isn't in the spaces you are now ripping people off for ? And to the idiot that suggested the train - have you seen how few trains run on a weekend and how early they stop ? Or indeed how expensive they are ? This city relies on tourist trade and the Greens are determined to kill it. Here's a challenge to the Greens - lets measure the drop in tourist trade for this summer. What every percent that drop is YOU have to take that drop in the expenses etc that YOU are paid ? I bet you don't take THAT challenge up as you're only interested in hurting other people rather than yourselves. Time to kick the Greens out.[/p][/quote]The trains are cheap as bits on a weekend if you used them you would know that. bigfella777
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3:10pm Wed 4 Apr 12

bigfella777 says...

DrMhiranPatel wrote:
bigfella777 wrote:
Nobody NEEDS a car!
Some do... It is either a car, or moving out of Brighton closer to work. Not quite sure which the council will prefer!
Thats it though isn't it, so many people want to live in Brighton for some reason but want to keep their jobs in London, in the process turning the whole south coast into a car park, work where you live is my motto.
Its all about property with you people.
[quote][p][bold]DrMhiranPatel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: Nobody NEEDS a car![/p][/quote]Some do... It is either a car, or moving out of Brighton closer to work. Not quite sure which the council will prefer![/p][/quote]Thats it though isn't it, so many people want to live in Brighton for some reason but want to keep their jobs in London, in the process turning the whole south coast into a car park, work where you live is my motto. Its all about property with you people. bigfella777
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3:15pm Wed 4 Apr 12

Fight Back says...

bigfella777 wrote:
Fight Back wrote:
“We want them to get out of their cars and enjoy what the city has to offer. We accept that coin only machines can be inconvenient and are looking at introducing cashless parking machines in some areas of the city.”

You couldn't make such an idiotic statement up. So you want visitors still to come BUT get out of their cars ? Where exactly are these cars to be parked if it isn't in the spaces you are now ripping people off for ? And to the idiot that suggested the train - have you seen how few trains run on a weekend and how early they stop ? Or indeed how expensive they are ? This city relies on tourist trade and the Greens are determined to kill it. Here's a challenge to the Greens - lets measure the drop in tourist trade for this summer. What every percent that drop is YOU have to take that drop in the expenses etc that YOU are paid ? I bet you don't take THAT challenge up as you're only interested in hurting other people rather than yourselves. Time to kick the Greens out.
The trains are cheap as bits on a weekend if you used them you would know that.
I do use them thank you for the football and they are only "cheap as bits" if you book well in advance. A lot of tourists would decide on the day based on the weather to come to our city. You try getting a train home after 11pm on a Saturday - it's close to impossible.
[quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fight Back[/bold] wrote: “We want them to get out of their cars and enjoy what the city has to offer. We accept that coin only machines can be inconvenient and are looking at introducing cashless parking machines in some areas of the city.” You couldn't make such an idiotic statement up. So you want visitors still to come BUT get out of their cars ? Where exactly are these cars to be parked if it isn't in the spaces you are now ripping people off for ? And to the idiot that suggested the train - have you seen how few trains run on a weekend and how early they stop ? Or indeed how expensive they are ? This city relies on tourist trade and the Greens are determined to kill it. Here's a challenge to the Greens - lets measure the drop in tourist trade for this summer. What every percent that drop is YOU have to take that drop in the expenses etc that YOU are paid ? I bet you don't take THAT challenge up as you're only interested in hurting other people rather than yourselves. Time to kick the Greens out.[/p][/quote]The trains are cheap as bits on a weekend if you used them you would know that.[/p][/quote]I do use them thank you for the football and they are only "cheap as bits" if you book well in advance. A lot of tourists would decide on the day based on the weather to come to our city. You try getting a train home after 11pm on a Saturday - it's close to impossible. Fight Back
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3:26pm Wed 4 Apr 12

thewhitehawker says...

Wow this green party is intent in completely changing Brighton as a holiday destination . Its a real shame and yes goodbye to the tourism , so sad :c
Wow this green party is intent in completely changing Brighton as a holiday destination . Its a real shame and yes goodbye to the tourism , so sad :c thewhitehawker
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3:27pm Wed 4 Apr 12

Joshiman says...

What is going on in Brighton?.
Does the rest of the UK know what a Green Council will do.Time to contact a few tabloid reporters.We want the whole Country to know what is happening here.
What is going on in Brighton?. Does the rest of the UK know what a Green Council will do.Time to contact a few tabloid reporters.We want the whole Country to know what is happening here. Joshiman
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3:46pm Wed 4 Apr 12

Spanners says...

bigfella777 wrote:
Spanners wrote:
bigfella777 wrote: Nobody NEEDS a car!
well of course they don't. Doctors on emergency call should go by bus. Mums with three kids and a day job should go by bus to drop of baby 1 at nursery then by bike to drop off other two kids at school on the other side of town before skateborading to work (all by 9.30am). Tradesmen should balance all their tools on their heads and then cycle everywhere. Delivery drivers should simply chuck goods as far as they can and hope they make the rest of the journey on their own. And as for tourists and shoppers who, are ostensibley out for pleasure and will spend money, should be forced to use the cheap and reliable train/bus and park'n'ride services (which dont exist and the rubbish services that do hate people with bags of shopping, buggies and kids) So clearly you are right ! Nobody NEEDS a car, they just need air, water, food and shelter. Still bearing in mind that we live a rather more complex world than that, you know, with an economic and social structure (and a local reliance on tourist trade) perhaps what you have just stated is an utter load of old cobblers
None of those people you have mentioned are parking on the seafront and do you think that women always had cars? How come I can manage without a car but others cannot?
you said "nobody needs a car" not "nobody needs to park on the seafront"

And I given you just a few examples of why others cannot

To answer the one point you sort of half made an attempt at answering is my Mum and three kids example.

In times past kids went to their local school. Now they have to go wherever the lottery sends them. We have parents traversing the city , jamming it up becuase their kids cannot go to the school down the road. You try taking three kids to different pats of the city and get to work by 9.30am via public transport. Believe me - it is not possible

As for your comment "how come I can manage but others cannot". You do realise how daft and self-centred that makes you sound, right ? You do undertand that not everyone in Brightons personal circumstances exactly match your own ? Are you a widower single mum with three kids ? As it happens I cycle everywhere for 95% of the time. However I'm perfectly well aware that this is not possible for all people all the time.
Its far more than this though. A day out with multiple kids to the seaside takes planning. You want to maximise fun times versus travel times and costs. A car journey from my house the seafront takes 5 to 10 mins. The same journey by public transport takes at least 45mins assuming no delays or missed connections. No to mention having to carry buggies, food, nappies, toys, and all the other things a family might require for a day on the beach. So I'm not going to get on the bus for a day like this - it would be total hell especially with tired kids on the way back. And neither are many others. We shall simply go elsewhere
[quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Spanners[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: Nobody NEEDS a car![/p][/quote]well of course they don't. Doctors on emergency call should go by bus. Mums with three kids and a day job should go by bus to drop of baby 1 at nursery then by bike to drop off other two kids at school on the other side of town before skateborading to work (all by 9.30am). Tradesmen should balance all their tools on their heads and then cycle everywhere. Delivery drivers should simply chuck goods as far as they can and hope they make the rest of the journey on their own. And as for tourists and shoppers who, are ostensibley out for pleasure and will spend money, should be forced to use the cheap and reliable train/bus and park'n'ride services (which dont exist and the rubbish services that do hate people with bags of shopping, buggies and kids) So clearly you are right ! Nobody NEEDS a car, they just need air, water, food and shelter. Still bearing in mind that we live a rather more complex world than that, you know, with an economic and social structure (and a local reliance on tourist trade) perhaps what you have just stated is an utter load of old cobblers[/p][/quote]None of those people you have mentioned are parking on the seafront and do you think that women always had cars? How come I can manage without a car but others cannot?[/p][/quote]you said "nobody needs a car" not "nobody needs to park on the seafront" And I given you just a few examples of why others cannot To answer the one point you sort of half made an attempt at answering is my Mum and three kids example. In times past kids went to their local school. Now they have to go wherever the lottery sends them. We have parents traversing the city , jamming it up becuase their kids cannot go to the school down the road. You try taking three kids to different pats of the city and get to work by 9.30am via public transport. Believe me - it is not possible As for your comment "how come I can manage but others cannot". You do realise how daft and self-centred that makes you sound, right ? You do undertand that not everyone in Brightons personal circumstances exactly match your own ? Are you a widower single mum with three kids ? As it happens I cycle everywhere for 95% of the time. However I'm perfectly well aware that this is not possible for all people all the time. Its far more than this though. A day out with multiple kids to the seaside takes planning. You want to maximise fun times versus travel times and costs. A car journey from my house the seafront takes 5 to 10 mins. The same journey by public transport takes at least 45mins assuming no delays or missed connections. No to mention having to carry buggies, food, nappies, toys, and all the other things a family might require for a day on the beach. So I'm not going to get on the bus for a day like this - it would be total hell especially with tired kids on the way back. And neither are many others. We shall simply go elsewhere Spanners
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4:01pm Wed 4 Apr 12

taman says...

The "Greens" welcome you to Brighton & Hove........... but if you bring your family by car you are NOT welcome and to prove we mean it best you get a mortgage before you travel
The "Greens" welcome you to Brighton & Hove........... but if you bring your family by car you are NOT welcome and to prove we mean it best you get a mortgage before you travel taman
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4:04pm Wed 4 Apr 12

Fercri Sakes says...

Joshiman wrote:
What is going on in Brighton?.
Does the rest of the UK know what a Green Council will do.Time to contact a few tabloid reporters.We want the whole Country to know what is happening here.
Yes, spread the word that the people voted for cleaner air, less congested roads, tourists to pay a few quid if they want to drive through the city and park on the seafront in summer.

Unless you want to magically expand the road system in Brighton we need less vehicles on the road.

So many pedestrian tourists get put off by the amount of traffic that they should make up the numbers of those car drivers unwilling to pay £20 to park their car for the day right on Brighton Beach.
[quote][p][bold]Joshiman[/bold] wrote: What is going on in Brighton?. Does the rest of the UK know what a Green Council will do.Time to contact a few tabloid reporters.We want the whole Country to know what is happening here.[/p][/quote]Yes, spread the word that the people voted for cleaner air, less congested roads, tourists to pay a few quid if they want to drive through the city and park on the seafront in summer. Unless you want to magically expand the road system in Brighton we need less vehicles on the road. So many pedestrian tourists get put off by the amount of traffic that they should make up the numbers of those car drivers unwilling to pay £20 to park their car for the day right on Brighton Beach. Fercri Sakes
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4:08pm Wed 4 Apr 12

guitarmanzz says...

Mark63 wrote:
What extortionate and vulgar increases that B&HCC has forced on its inhabitants and visitors!

Their insistence in punishing people who DO NOT WISH TO USE smelly, noisy and unhealthy public transport options, nor ride on 2 wheels in all weathers is completely disgusting.

It is not just the fact that costs have risen by up to a criminal 120% in places, but the fact that the money-swallowing machines only accept coins, resulting in additional purchases (more cost!) just to be able to feed them! Who carries £20 worth of coins around with them? I rarely have £5 worth of coins on me, just to be able to leave my car close to where I work.

I don't want to waste time sat on a crowded, noisy, smelly and downright unhealthy bus. Who would pay for such an experience, to be surrounded by screaming kids, smelly drunks, noisy teenagers and coughs and colds?!

They're making huge amounts of money from these hikes (Probably pay-back for not getting their lunatic way with the Council Task). And what they do with this extra revenue? They make the roads SMALLER, by adding 6’ (rarely used) cycle paths and bus stops that stick out into the narrow streets with far too many busses stopping traffic all over the city. Brighton - the only place where you can see 13 busses in their own traffic jam – and most of them on the same numbered route! Pathetic!

Is the Council full of imbeciles?!? Does the current pressure on household costs mean nothing to them?

Will this encourage people to change their habits? Not a chance!

What it will do is:

-force people away from visiting
-cause businesses to lose custom
-force key workers to leave the city or seek work elsewhere
-make Brighton the place that nobody wants to visit, apart from the beer swilling louts (of both sexes) who ruin the City Centre by night, so need a bus/train/cab/walk home.

The Council should be completely ashamed of what they are doing to future of Brighton and Hove.

The next elections cannot come soon enough!
Couldnt agree more mark 63! Too many buses and crazy traffic calming ideas have messed our city up big time! I noticed a new bus stop the other day in surrey street next to the station that now has a bus stop placed in the main road!and the bus doesnt just stop to let passengers on and off! It seems to just sit there anyway for five mins presumably on the orders of the greens to cause as big a fume filled jam as possible! Just insane really!!!
[quote][p][bold]Mark63[/bold] wrote: What extortionate and vulgar increases that B&HCC has forced on its inhabitants and visitors! Their insistence in punishing people who DO NOT WISH TO USE smelly, noisy and unhealthy public transport options, nor ride on 2 wheels in all weathers is completely disgusting. It is not just the fact that costs have risen by up to a criminal 120% in places, but the fact that the money-swallowing machines only accept coins, resulting in additional purchases (more cost!) just to be able to feed them! Who carries £20 worth of coins around with them? I rarely have £5 worth of coins on me, just to be able to leave my car close to where I work. I don't want to waste time sat on a crowded, noisy, smelly and downright unhealthy bus. Who would pay for such an experience, to be surrounded by screaming kids, smelly drunks, noisy teenagers and coughs and colds?! They're making huge amounts of money from these hikes (Probably pay-back for not getting their lunatic way with the Council Task). And what they do with this extra revenue? They make the roads SMALLER, by adding 6’ (rarely used) cycle paths and bus stops that stick out into the narrow streets with far too many busses stopping traffic all over the city. Brighton - the only place where you can see 13 busses in their own traffic jam – and most of them on the same numbered route! Pathetic! Is the Council full of imbeciles?!? Does the current pressure on household costs mean nothing to them? Will this encourage people to change their habits? Not a chance! What it will do is: -force people away from visiting -cause businesses to lose custom -force key workers to leave the city or seek work elsewhere -make Brighton the place that nobody wants to visit, apart from the beer swilling louts (of both sexes) who ruin the City Centre by night, so need a bus/train/cab/walk home. The Council should be completely ashamed of what they are doing to future of Brighton and Hove. The next elections cannot come soon enough![/p][/quote]Couldnt agree more mark 63! Too many buses and crazy traffic calming ideas have messed our city up big time! I noticed a new bus stop the other day in surrey street next to the station that now has a bus stop placed in the main road!and the bus doesnt just stop to let passengers on and off! It seems to just sit there anyway for five mins presumably on the orders of the greens to cause as big a fume filled jam as possible! Just insane really!!! guitarmanzz
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4:54pm Wed 4 Apr 12

GraemeDavis says...

There have also been big increases in parking charges in the Churchill Square car park. This afternoon there were lots of empty spaces.

This is going to kill Brighton.
There have also been big increases in parking charges in the Churchill Square car park. This afternoon there were lots of empty spaces. This is going to kill Brighton. GraemeDavis
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4:56pm Wed 4 Apr 12

Fight Back says...

Fercri Sakes wrote:
Joshiman wrote:
What is going on in Brighton?.
Does the rest of the UK know what a Green Council will do.Time to contact a few tabloid reporters.We want the whole Country to know what is happening here.
Yes, spread the word that the people voted for cleaner air, less congested roads, tourists to pay a few quid if they want to drive through the city and park on the seafront in summer.

Unless you want to magically expand the road system in Brighton we need less vehicles on the road.

So many pedestrian tourists get put off by the amount of traffic that they should make up the numbers of those car drivers unwilling to pay £20 to park their car for the day right on Brighton Beach.
Please could you provide the evidence to back up your bizarre claim that many tourists are out off by the traffic ?
[quote][p][bold]Fercri Sakes[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Joshiman[/bold] wrote: What is going on in Brighton?. Does the rest of the UK know what a Green Council will do.Time to contact a few tabloid reporters.We want the whole Country to know what is happening here.[/p][/quote]Yes, spread the word that the people voted for cleaner air, less congested roads, tourists to pay a few quid if they want to drive through the city and park on the seafront in summer. Unless you want to magically expand the road system in Brighton we need less vehicles on the road. So many pedestrian tourists get put off by the amount of traffic that they should make up the numbers of those car drivers unwilling to pay £20 to park their car for the day right on Brighton Beach.[/p][/quote]Please could you provide the evidence to back up your bizarre claim that many tourists are out off by the traffic ? Fight Back
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5:01pm Wed 4 Apr 12

jamus77 says...

A question for everyone criticising these price hikes: when you look into the future, what, exactly, do you see?

On a hot saturday, you can get tailbacks on the A23 to Handcross and beyond. It can take an hour just to get from the Patcham roundabout into the town centre. This situation will not get any better in the future.

The greens are biting the bullet with this and I applaud their bravery. Brighton and Hove City Council should be doing everything in its power to deter motorists from entering the city centre. Obviously those with disabilities who need to park on the seafront should be exempt from these charges, but able-bodied people should learn to use ther legs and WALK!

Our infatuation with depreciating lumps of rusting metal - and the crazy illusion that they afford us 'freedom' - must end for the sake of sanity.
A question for everyone criticising these price hikes: when you look into the future, what, exactly, do you see? On a hot saturday, you can get tailbacks on the A23 to Handcross and beyond. It can take an hour just to get from the Patcham roundabout into the town centre. This situation will not get any better in the future. The greens are biting the bullet with this and I applaud their bravery. Brighton and Hove City Council should be doing everything in its power to deter motorists from entering the city centre. Obviously those with disabilities who need to park on the seafront should be exempt from these charges, but able-bodied people should learn to use ther legs and WALK! Our infatuation with depreciating lumps of rusting metal - and the crazy illusion that they afford us 'freedom' - must end for the sake of sanity. jamus77
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5:21pm Wed 4 Apr 12

bug eye says...

great news, the GREENS are looking after the rich, I can now drive all over the city in my 4 x 4 and park anywhere without bumping into any poor or vulnerable people. brighton and hove now a rich mans playground.
great news, the GREENS are looking after the rich, I can now drive all over the city in my 4 x 4 and park anywhere without bumping into any poor or vulnerable people. brighton and hove now a rich mans playground. bug eye
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5:28pm Wed 4 Apr 12

imyourboss says...

Mark63 wrote:
What extortionate and vulgar increases that B&HCC has forced on its inhabitants and visitors!

Their insistence in punishing people who DO NOT WISH TO USE smelly, noisy and unhealthy public transport options, nor ride on 2 wheels in all weathers is completely disgusting.

It is not just the fact that costs have risen by up to a criminal 120% in places, but the fact that the money-swallowing machines only accept coins, resulting in additional purchases (more cost!) just to be able to feed them! Who carries £20 worth of coins around with them? I rarely have £5 worth of coins on me, just to be able to leave my car close to where I work.

I don't want to waste time sat on a crowded, noisy, smelly and downright unhealthy bus. Who would pay for such an experience, to be surrounded by screaming kids, smelly drunks, noisy teenagers and coughs and colds?!

They're making huge amounts of money from these hikes (Probably pay-back for not getting their lunatic way with the Council Task). And what they do with this extra revenue? They make the roads SMALLER, by adding 6’ (rarely used) cycle paths and bus stops that stick out into the narrow streets with far too many busses stopping traffic all over the city. Brighton - the only place where you can see 13 busses in their own traffic jam – and most of them on the same numbered route! Pathetic!

Is the Council full of imbeciles?!? Does the current pressure on household costs mean nothing to them?

Will this encourage people to change their habits? Not a chance!

What it will do is:

-force people away from visiting
-cause businesses to lose custom
-force key workers to leave the city or seek work elsewhere
-make Brighton the place that nobody wants to visit, apart from the beer swilling louts (of both sexes) who ruin the City Centre by night, so need a bus/train/cab/walk home.

The Council should be completely ashamed of what they are doing to future of Brighton and Hove.

The next elections cannot come soon enough!
god you sound like a right misery. honestly. just get a life and try smiling now and again
[quote][p][bold]Mark63[/bold] wrote: What extortionate and vulgar increases that B&HCC has forced on its inhabitants and visitors! Their insistence in punishing people who DO NOT WISH TO USE smelly, noisy and unhealthy public transport options, nor ride on 2 wheels in all weathers is completely disgusting. It is not just the fact that costs have risen by up to a criminal 120% in places, but the fact that the money-swallowing machines only accept coins, resulting in additional purchases (more cost!) just to be able to feed them! Who carries £20 worth of coins around with them? I rarely have £5 worth of coins on me, just to be able to leave my car close to where I work. I don't want to waste time sat on a crowded, noisy, smelly and downright unhealthy bus. Who would pay for such an experience, to be surrounded by screaming kids, smelly drunks, noisy teenagers and coughs and colds?! They're making huge amounts of money from these hikes (Probably pay-back for not getting their lunatic way with the Council Task). And what they do with this extra revenue? They make the roads SMALLER, by adding 6’ (rarely used) cycle paths and bus stops that stick out into the narrow streets with far too many busses stopping traffic all over the city. Brighton - the only place where you can see 13 busses in their own traffic jam – and most of them on the same numbered route! Pathetic! Is the Council full of imbeciles?!? Does the current pressure on household costs mean nothing to them? Will this encourage people to change their habits? Not a chance! What it will do is: -force people away from visiting -cause businesses to lose custom -force key workers to leave the city or seek work elsewhere -make Brighton the place that nobody wants to visit, apart from the beer swilling louts (of both sexes) who ruin the City Centre by night, so need a bus/train/cab/walk home. The Council should be completely ashamed of what they are doing to future of Brighton and Hove. The next elections cannot come soon enough![/p][/quote]god you sound like a right misery. honestly. just get a life and try smiling now and again imyourboss
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5:34pm Wed 4 Apr 12

BrightonHoveboy says...

Just goes to show that these Greens really are green- behind the ears! They are also viscous idealists whose only care is what they want. Roll on the death of Brighton if they continue
Just goes to show that these Greens really are green- behind the ears! They are also viscous idealists whose only care is what they want. Roll on the death of Brighton if they continue BrightonHoveboy
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5:39pm Wed 4 Apr 12

MuammarQaddafi says...

This is about nothing but the Green agenda: making having a car in Brighton as annoying as possible in the hope that residents will go carless. If you agree with this agenda, you should vote Green at the next election. If you don't, then vote for some other slate.
This is about nothing but the Green agenda: making having a car in Brighton as annoying as possible in the hope that residents will go carless. If you agree with this agenda, you should vote Green at the next election. If you don't, then vote for some other slate. MuammarQaddafi
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5:41pm Wed 4 Apr 12

saltycharles says...

I had just finished reading the article about how the buses could not get down North Street and the associated problems........then read about parking charges........Great
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As somebody else said 'it appears that Brighton does not want visitors however they arrive'
I had just finished reading the article about how the buses could not get down North Street and the associated problems........then read about parking charges........Great . As somebody else said 'it appears that Brighton does not want visitors however they arrive' saltycharles
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5:50pm Wed 4 Apr 12

Telscombe Cliffy says...

Bug Eye's spot on. The seafront will fill up with the cars of the rich-all gas guzzling massive Hummers, Mercs, BMs 4x4s etc! Not very green is it! Car parking rates in the city should perhaps be set charged on the amount your car pollutes the City the time its there. Also no ones mentioned the Marina-is that still free all day?
Bug Eye's spot on. The seafront will fill up with the cars of the rich-all gas guzzling massive Hummers, Mercs, BMs 4x4s etc! Not very green is it! Car parking rates in the city should perhaps be set charged on the amount your car pollutes the City the time its there. Also no ones mentioned the Marina-is that still free all day? Telscombe Cliffy
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6:52pm Wed 4 Apr 12

All 9 of me says...

ripmaxman wrote:
bigfella777 wrote:
How did all the Victorians get to Brighton I wonder? On the train,why oh why do people have to be reliant on cars to have a day out.Let the train take the stress, jump on have a cuddle and open a bottle of cider and relax!
How much do you think it would cost a family to come to Brighton by train?

For 2 Adults the return fare from London Victoria is around £48. I’m not sure what the additional cost for a child’s ticket is. Lest say for example it’s 50% of the adult ticket, that would be an additional £12 per child.

That cost in these hard pressed times on a family’s income would be hard to justify for a day out and that does not include the additional costs like food and drink!
it's nowhere near £48 if you use your loaf and go to the Southern railway website.
[quote][p][bold]ripmaxman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: How did all the Victorians get to Brighton I wonder? On the train,why oh why do people have to be reliant on cars to have a day out.Let the train take the stress, jump on have a cuddle and open a bottle of cider and relax![/p][/quote]How much do you think it would cost a family to come to Brighton by train? For 2 Adults the return fare from London Victoria is around £48. I’m not sure what the additional cost for a child’s ticket is. Lest say for example it’s 50% of the adult ticket, that would be an additional £12 per child. That cost in these hard pressed times on a family’s income would be hard to justify for a day out and that does not include the additional costs like food and drink![/p][/quote]it's nowhere near £48 if you use your loaf and go to the Southern railway website. All 9 of me
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6:56pm Wed 4 Apr 12

king says...

I just checked Churchill Sq charges as well.

Up to 2 hours: £3.00
2 – 3 hours: £4.00
3 - 4 hours: £6.00
4 - 6 hours: £10.00
6 - 8 hours: £25.00

£25 after 8 hours. So much for a leisurely day in Brighton. The rate for 8 hrs used to be £8!
I just checked Churchill Sq charges as well. Up to 2 hours: £3.00 2 – 3 hours: £4.00 3 - 4 hours: £6.00 4 - 6 hours: £10.00 6 - 8 hours: £25.00 £25 after 8 hours. So much for a leisurely day in Brighton. The rate for 8 hrs used to be £8! king
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7:02pm Wed 4 Apr 12

Suewashere says...

It doesn't feel that the people who decided on the charges live in the same world as the rest of us!

Parking in Brighton will become the privilege of the wealthy and those who can claim the parking charges back in expenses.

Instead of rushing to increase parking charges to keep people out of the city (you say cars, but cars mean people), why not a joined up strategy.

Park and ride schemes would be a good start!

Yes some people could walk or bus some of the time, but there are a number of reasons why that is not always practical.

Bus services in Brighton and Hove do not cover city wide and we don't always have lifestyles that enable us to make the time to go into town to change buses to complete our journey.

Bus timetables are still not always reliable.

It's not just the main parking areas, what about local shops? At local shops I could park for 15 minutes for 20p, now I can have up to 1 hour for £1. I and many others will be taking their trade elsewhere - another nail in the coffin for local traders.

Apologies to Brighton and Hove traders but I will be doing more internet shopping and finding other ways to enjoy what little social life I can afford with no pay increase and the price of everything going up.

At getting on for 60 and with arthritis I manage to work, support parents and grandchildren because I can get around using my car.

If parking costs make this impossible everyone suffers.

The current party are clearly not expecting to be re-elected so don't seem to care about the residents of Brighton and Hove - I would be interested to hear where they sought views about parking as I didn't see any opportunities to contribute.

When are the next elections? I'm hoping they are unable to do too much irreparable damage to the city before then.
It doesn't feel that the people who decided on the charges live in the same world as the rest of us! Parking in Brighton will become the privilege of the wealthy and those who can claim the parking charges back in expenses. Instead of rushing to increase parking charges to keep people out of the city (you say cars, but cars mean people), why not a joined up strategy. Park and ride schemes would be a good start! Yes some people could walk or bus some of the time, but there are a number of reasons why that is not always practical. Bus services in Brighton and Hove do not cover city wide and we don't always have lifestyles that enable us to make the time to go into town to change buses to complete our journey. Bus timetables are still not always reliable. It's not just the main parking areas, what about local shops? At local shops I could park for 15 minutes for 20p, now I can have up to 1 hour for £1. I and many others will be taking their trade elsewhere - another nail in the coffin for local traders. Apologies to Brighton and Hove traders but I will be doing more internet shopping and finding other ways to enjoy what little social life I can afford with no pay increase and the price of everything going up. At getting on for 60 and with arthritis I manage to work, support parents and grandchildren because I can get around using my car. If parking costs make this impossible everyone suffers. The current party are clearly not expecting to be re-elected so don't seem to care about the residents of Brighton and Hove - I would be interested to hear where they sought views about parking as I didn't see any opportunities to contribute. When are the next elections? I'm hoping they are unable to do too much irreparable damage to the city before then. Suewashere
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7:08pm Wed 4 Apr 12

Suewashere says...

bigfella777 wrote:
How did all the Victorians get to Brighton I wonder? On the train,why oh why do people have to be reliant on cars to have a day out.Let the train take the stress, jump on have a cuddle and open a bottle of cider and relax!
In Victorian times a day trip to Brighton or anywhere was a special treat and not available to a large % of the population.

With the high cost of public transport we have a return to the Victorian times with only the wealthy able to afford day trips to Brighton.
[quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: How did all the Victorians get to Brighton I wonder? On the train,why oh why do people have to be reliant on cars to have a day out.Let the train take the stress, jump on have a cuddle and open a bottle of cider and relax![/p][/quote]In Victorian times a day trip to Brighton or anywhere was a special treat and not available to a large % of the population. With the high cost of public transport we have a return to the Victorian times with only the wealthy able to afford day trips to Brighton. Suewashere
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7:11pm Wed 4 Apr 12

Greens-out says...

The new parking charges are outrageous, I really hope this bites the council on the ****. £20 for 11 hours parking is worse than London!
The new parking charges are outrageous, I really hope this bites the council on the ****. £20 for 11 hours parking is worse than London! Greens-out
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7:46pm Wed 4 Apr 12

bbbazcooper says...

I think I have worked out a way round this latest piece of Green idiocy.

I am buying an old caravan, calling myself a traveller and parking on Victoria Gardens. This way I can park in central Brighton for as long as I want for free with the added bonus of a large receptacle in which to take home all my shopping.

I will also agree a suitable departure date to save the Council expensive eviction procedures (now where have I heard that before) which fits in with my schedule.

Problem solved, but don't tell anyone it might catch on !
I think I have worked out a way round this latest piece of Green idiocy. I am buying an old caravan, calling myself a traveller and parking on Victoria Gardens. This way I can park in central Brighton for as long as I want for free with the added bonus of a large receptacle in which to take home all my shopping. I will also agree a suitable departure date to save the Council expensive eviction procedures (now where have I heard that before) which fits in with my schedule. Problem solved, but don't tell anyone it might catch on ! bbbazcooper
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7:59pm Wed 4 Apr 12

Maxwell's Ghost says...

Brighton and Hove people are being pushed out of their own town by these out-of-touch wealthy middle class Greens who have seized this city's assets to feather the nest of their own middle class urban mates.
They have increased allotment charges by 60 per cent so it is almost impossible to grow enough food to cover the rental cost, therefore ordinary people trying to grow food to feed families are being pushed out and replaced by hobby gardeners growing flowers and fancy herbs on plots, the cost of hiring footy pitches has increased so only the posh kids can play, the cost of parking is increasing so only the wealthy can now park at the same time the Greens are happy to waste our money installing electric car charging points in the city for their mates who can afford to spend £20,000 on a fancy car while arrogant Green Ben Duncan swears on Twitter in a sneering tweet about the VAT on takeaway food being unimportant (in a city awash with small businesses trading in such food) and then gives a silly quote to The Argus about vegan food.
The Greens are sticking two fingers up at the real locals who work hard in this city and still have pride in the town.
Roll on the next election. Let's get some real people with insight, intelligence and understanding into place instead of these rude, selfish, child-like adults.
Brighton and Hove people are being pushed out of their own town by these out-of-touch wealthy middle class Greens who have seized this city's assets to feather the nest of their own middle class urban mates. They have increased allotment charges by 60 per cent so it is almost impossible to grow enough food to cover the rental cost, therefore ordinary people trying to grow food to feed families are being pushed out and replaced by hobby gardeners growing flowers and fancy herbs on plots, the cost of hiring footy pitches has increased so only the posh kids can play, the cost of parking is increasing so only the wealthy can now park at the same time the Greens are happy to waste our money installing electric car charging points in the city for their mates who can afford to spend £20,000 on a fancy car while arrogant Green Ben Duncan swears on Twitter in a sneering tweet about the VAT on takeaway food being unimportant (in a city awash with small businesses trading in such food) and then gives a silly quote to The Argus about vegan food. The Greens are sticking two fingers up at the real locals who work hard in this city and still have pride in the town. Roll on the next election. Let's get some real people with insight, intelligence and understanding into place instead of these rude, selfish, child-like adults. Maxwell's Ghost
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8:20pm Wed 4 Apr 12

Fight Back says...

It's very noticeable how Labour councillors and occasionally Tory ones as well manage to post on this web site but NEVER a Green councillor. I guess they're too scared to come out in public.
It's very noticeable how Labour councillors and occasionally Tory ones as well manage to post on this web site but NEVER a Green councillor. I guess they're too scared to come out in public. Fight Back
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8:38pm Wed 4 Apr 12

sdhgfhfuyt says...

thump3s wrote:
I wonder how much Roger French was involved in this, he probably agreed that B&H buses would pay for the signage or something.

I can't think of anywhere else where a private company has monopolised an industry and has wields so much influence as B&H buses has in the transport dealings of this City.
spot on. I think Panorama have a case for a documentary on the subject
[quote][p][bold]thump3s[/bold] wrote: I wonder how much Roger French was involved in this, he probably agreed that B&H buses would pay for the signage or something. I can't think of anywhere else where a private company has monopolised an industry and has wields so much influence as B&H buses has in the transport dealings of this City.[/p][/quote]spot on. I think Panorama have a case for a documentary on the subject sdhgfhfuyt
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8:39pm Wed 4 Apr 12

Linker3000 says...

Well, I really really wanted to come to Brighton by train last Sunday - but I'm just outside Chichester and the whole line from Angmering to Brighton was closed for weekend work. ETA on the replacement bus was put at 1h50. I had a look at the 700 coastline service: 2 hours. It took me about 50 minutes in the car (including getting past the Arundel roadworks) and I parked in Churchill Square for £4. Lesson: Sometimes a car is the most suitable form of transport - unless, of course, I just don't bother to come to Brighton and I spend my money elsewhere.
Well, I really really wanted to come to Brighton by train last Sunday - but I'm just outside Chichester and the whole line from Angmering to Brighton was closed for weekend work. ETA on the replacement bus was put at 1h50. I had a look at the 700 coastline service: 2 hours. It took me about 50 minutes in the car (including getting past the Arundel roadworks) and I parked in Churchill Square for £4. Lesson: Sometimes a car is the most suitable form of transport - unless, of course, I just don't bother to come to Brighton and I spend my money elsewhere. Linker3000
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9:32pm Wed 4 Apr 12

Dave from Woolwich says...

Michael Inkpin-Leissner wrote:
As I said once: The Greens declared a war on car users!
Worse than that, it's a war on the town of Brighton that relies on visitors who won't come now, put off by these ridiculous prices.
[quote][p][bold]Michael Inkpin-Leissner[/bold] wrote: As I said once: The Greens declared a war on car users![/p][/quote]Worse than that, it's a war on the town of Brighton that relies on visitors who won't come now, put off by these ridiculous prices. Dave from Woolwich
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10:36pm Wed 4 Apr 12

graham_Seagull says...

It's now£26.50 to park outside my flat for a day!!!!
As I'm needing to work from home tomorrow I'll have to get up before the charging starts, drive it to a council multi storey and park it there for the day. That'll still set me bk £15 I guess.
It's now£26.50 to park outside my flat for a day!!!! As I'm needing to work from home tomorrow I'll have to get up before the charging starts, drive it to a council multi storey and park it there for the day. That'll still set me bk £15 I guess. graham_Seagull
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11:13pm Wed 4 Apr 12

Henfield Hovite says...

Im afraid its a red herring to say that that "the Green-led local authority is trying to encourage visitors to think about alternative means of transport"
Its all about lack of council funds and not being able to increase the council tax.
Hitting the car driver is an easy target to gain extra money for the council, all the while blaming it on being green!!
Im afraid its a red herring to say that that "the Green-led local authority is trying to encourage visitors to think about alternative means of transport" Its all about lack of council funds and not being able to increase the council tax. Hitting the car driver is an easy target to gain extra money for the council, all the while blaming it on being green!! Henfield Hovite
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11:15pm Wed 4 Apr 12

fedupwithgreens says...

DrMhiranPatel wrote:
Hello all,

I wished to write a comment as this issue has had me fuming for the last 3-4 days. Currently, I live on the seafront (Marine Parade) and need my car to drive to work. Before 1st April I drove home for work and was not required to pay anything as I get back after 6PM and leave before 9AM. So obviously for purely selfish reasons I hate to see the council decide to increase the time to 8PM and increase the parking charge for two hours by 272%. So now I have to pay £6 a day to park relatively close to my flat.

"Get a parking permit as you are a resident" I hear you all scream... (I plan to, but this brings up a whole different conversation. There are simply not enough permit holder spaces for the number of residents in the area. I am given a Zone C permit, when there are only 16 spaces for over 100 people in a 1000m radius!)

This situation is just making me disillusioned with life in Brighton, one thing after another. I am sure that the council would hate to lose a vital member of the community such as myself. (And I have told them as much in a strongly worded complaints letter)

As someone above has quite rightly pointed out, from No 1-89 Marine Parade is completely devoid of cars. Nice one B&HCC that really did backfire. PS. Mark63, the increase is not only the cost (which incedently has risen upto 250%) but its also the later finishing time of 8PM. Additionally, do not get me started on the ridiculous premise that members of the public are carrying twenty £1 coins with them!

Dr Patel
Perhaps you should check the resident bay youve paid for is in fact legally marked correctly as most of bays in entire town are incorrectly marked!!! Time to pay back the motorist your ill gotten illegal gains
[quote][p][bold]DrMhiranPatel[/bold] wrote: Hello all, I wished to write a comment as this issue has had me fuming for the last 3-4 days. Currently, I live on the seafront (Marine Parade) and need my car to drive to work. Before 1st April I drove home for work and was not required to pay anything as I get back after 6PM and leave before 9AM. So obviously for purely selfish reasons I hate to see the council decide to increase the time to 8PM and increase the parking charge for two hours by 272%. So now I have to pay £6 a day to park relatively close to my flat. "Get a parking permit as you are a resident" I hear you all scream... (I plan to, but this brings up a whole different conversation. There are simply not enough permit holder spaces for the number of residents in the area. I am given a Zone C permit, when there are only 16 spaces for over 100 people in a 1000m radius!) This situation is just making me disillusioned with life in Brighton, one thing after another. I am sure that the council would hate to lose a vital member of the community such as myself. (And I have told them as much in a strongly worded complaints letter) As someone above has quite rightly pointed out, from No 1-89 Marine Parade is completely devoid of cars. Nice one B&HCC that really did backfire. PS. Mark63, the increase is not only the cost (which incedently has risen upto 250%) but its also the later finishing time of 8PM. Additionally, do not get me started on the ridiculous premise that members of the public are carrying twenty £1 coins with them! Dr Patel[/p][/quote]Perhaps you should check the resident bay youve paid for is in fact legally marked correctly as most of bays in entire town are incorrectly marked!!! Time to pay back the motorist your ill gotten illegal gains fedupwithgreens
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11:17pm Wed 4 Apr 12

fedupwithgreens says...

ripmaxman wrote:
How to kill of what was once a thriving summer location for visitors.

What idiot at the Council thought this was a good idea and that it would bring more money into the Councils coffers!

With all the increases in parking charges Brighton will become a ghost town.

Will the last person to leave please turn the lights off!!!
Theyve already been switched off!!!!
[quote][p][bold]ripmaxman[/bold] wrote: How to kill of what was once a thriving summer location for visitors. What idiot at the Council thought this was a good idea and that it would bring more money into the Councils coffers! With all the increases in parking charges Brighton will become a ghost town. Will the last person to leave please turn the lights off!!![/p][/quote]Theyve already been switched off!!!! fedupwithgreens
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11:19pm Wed 4 Apr 12

Henfield Hovite says...

graham_Seagull wrote:
It's now£26.50 to park outside my flat for a day!!!!
As I'm needing to work from home tomorrow I'll have to get up before the charging starts, drive it to a council multi storey and park it there for the day. That'll still set me bk £15 I guess.
Tip for you Graham_Seagull to save £15.00. Drive to somewhere where free parking, like Varndean/Withdean residential area. Leave car there for the day and get a bus back. Sorry to those residents, but needs must!!
[quote][p][bold]graham_Seagull[/bold] wrote: It's now£26.50 to park outside my flat for a day!!!! As I'm needing to work from home tomorrow I'll have to get up before the charging starts, drive it to a council multi storey and park it there for the day. That'll still set me bk £15 I guess.[/p][/quote]Tip for you Graham_Seagull to save £15.00. Drive to somewhere where free parking, like Varndean/Withdean residential area. Leave car there for the day and get a bus back. Sorry to those residents, but needs must!! Henfield Hovite
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11:20pm Wed 4 Apr 12

fedupwithgreens says...

Does anyone know of any law where residents can force an instant by election to get the greens out!!!! Cant wait till i see em at the election hall begging for my vote!!!! Tossers!!!
Does anyone know of any law where residents can force an instant by election to get the greens out!!!! Cant wait till i see em at the election hall begging for my vote!!!! Tossers!!! fedupwithgreens
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11:48pm Wed 4 Apr 12

fedupwithgreens says...

Henfield Hovite wrote:
graham_Seagull wrote:
It's now£26.50 to park outside my flat for a day!!!!
As I'm needing to work from home tomorrow I'll have to get up before the charging starts, drive it to a council multi storey and park it there for the day. That'll still set me bk £15 I guess.
Tip for you Graham_Seagull to save £15.00. Drive to somewhere where free parking, like Varndean/Withdean residential area. Leave car there for the day and get a bus back. Sorry to those residents, but needs must!!
Park up elm grove all side rds r free,get 81 or 21 into town,solved!!
[quote][p][bold]Henfield Hovite[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]graham_Seagull[/bold] wrote: It's now£26.50 to park outside my flat for a day!!!! As I'm needing to work from home tomorrow I'll have to get up before the charging starts, drive it to a council multi storey and park it there for the day. That'll still set me bk £15 I guess.[/p][/quote]Tip for you Graham_Seagull to save £15.00. Drive to somewhere where free parking, like Varndean/Withdean residential area. Leave car there for the day and get a bus back. Sorry to those residents, but needs must!![/p][/quote]Park up elm grove all side rds r free,get 81 or 21 into town,solved!! fedupwithgreens
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11:49pm Wed 4 Apr 12

fedupwithgreens says...

GraemeDavis wrote:
There have also been big increases in parking charges in the Churchill Square car park. This afternoon there were lots of empty spaces.

This is going to kill Brighton.
And the shops!
[quote][p][bold]GraemeDavis[/bold] wrote: There have also been big increases in parking charges in the Churchill Square car park. This afternoon there were lots of empty spaces. This is going to kill Brighton.[/p][/quote]And the shops! fedupwithgreens
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11:51pm Wed 4 Apr 12

fedupwithgreens says...

Telscombe Cliffy wrote:
Bug Eye's spot on. The seafront will fill up with the cars of the rich-all gas guzzling massive Hummers, Mercs, BMs 4x4s etc! Not very green is it! Car parking rates in the city should perhaps be set charged on the amount your car pollutes the City the time its there. Also no ones mentioned the Marina-is that still free all day?
If you park in the correct bays, ITS FREEEEE📢
[quote][p][bold]Telscombe Cliffy[/bold] wrote: Bug Eye's spot on. The seafront will fill up with the cars of the rich-all gas guzzling massive Hummers, Mercs, BMs 4x4s etc! Not very green is it! Car parking rates in the city should perhaps be set charged on the amount your car pollutes the City the time its there. Also no ones mentioned the Marina-is that still free all day?[/p][/quote]If you park in the correct bays, ITS FREEEEE📢 fedupwithgreens
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11:52pm Wed 4 Apr 12

fedupwithgreens says...

Im having great success in commenting on any other online paper advising against parking anywhere in town and to use marina!!!! Thatll cheese that loony toons ufo munching monster into space dust!!!!!
Im having great success in commenting on any other online paper advising against parking anywhere in town and to use marina!!!! Thatll cheese that loony toons ufo munching monster into space dust!!!!! fedupwithgreens
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11:55pm Wed 4 Apr 12

fedupwithgreens says...

Henfield Hovite wrote:
graham_Seagull wrote:
It's now£26.50 to park outside my flat for a day!!!!
As I'm needing to work from home tomorrow I'll have to get up before the charging starts, drive it to a council multi storey and park it there for the day. That'll still set me bk £15 I guess.
Tip for you Graham_Seagull to save £15.00. Drive to somewhere where free parking, like Varndean/Withdean residential area. Leave car there for the day and get a bus back. Sorry to those residents, but needs must!!
All around race course area roads are free loadsa busses into town every 20mins ,a ten min downhill walk to hospital area
[quote][p][bold]Henfield Hovite[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]graham_Seagull[/bold] wrote: It's now£26.50 to park outside my flat for a day!!!! As I'm needing to work from home tomorrow I'll have to get up before the charging starts, drive it to a council multi storey and park it there for the day. That'll still set me bk £15 I guess.[/p][/quote]Tip for you Graham_Seagull to save £15.00. Drive to somewhere where free parking, like Varndean/Withdean residential area. Leave car there for the day and get a bus back. Sorry to those residents, but needs must!![/p][/quote]All around race course area roads are free loadsa busses into town every 20mins ,a ten min downhill walk to hospital area fedupwithgreens
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11:58pm Wed 4 Apr 12

fedupwithgreens says...

SteveHove wrote:
Where is all this money going as the parking fees were set up as a non profit making scheme to aid movment around the city
Probably kitkats busy buying a copy of the road traffic manual,as i advised him to quote facts to me instead of fiction,and secondly,loony loops lucas has probably bought the layest ufo cosmo,that runs on urine and has 30inch alloys!!! Furry dice were free along with a 2 finger bar of kitkat!!!!( just wet myself)
[quote][p][bold]SteveHove[/bold] wrote: Where is all this money going as the parking fees were set up as a non profit making scheme to aid movment around the city[/p][/quote]Probably kitkats busy buying a copy of the road traffic manual,as i advised him to quote facts to me instead of fiction,and secondly,loony loops lucas has probably bought the layest ufo cosmo,that runs on urine and has 30inch alloys!!! Furry dice were free along with a 2 finger bar of kitkat!!!!( just wet myself) fedupwithgreens
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12:00am Thu 5 Apr 12

fedupwithgreens says...

Quoting on anything to do with parking to me,is better than a cup of tea!!!!!!
Quoting on anything to do with parking to me,is better than a cup of tea!!!!!! fedupwithgreens
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5:37am Thu 5 Apr 12

vince m says...

It's long past time we had a proper park and ride at the edge of town. Underground, if need be. With a FREE bus service from there to the sea front.
All this nonsense being spouted about cheap rail fares.

Obviously the writers have never struggled with three kids, a pram and all the other stuff on the tube to Victoria.

The fare from the mainline stations is not the only consideration, you know. You have to get there first and most 'ordinary' folk don't live in Westminster or the City. Young families don't have all that much money and this is yet another attack on them. A day out in Brighton was once an affordable treat for a family; not now.
It's long past time we had a proper park and ride at the edge of town. Underground, if need be. With a FREE bus service from there to the sea front. All this nonsense being spouted about cheap rail fares. Obviously the writers have never struggled with three kids, a pram and all the other stuff on the tube to Victoria. The fare from the mainline stations is not the only consideration, you know. You have to get there first and most 'ordinary' folk don't live in Westminster or the City. Young families don't have all that much money and this is yet another attack on them. A day out in Brighton was once an affordable treat for a family; not now. vince m
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7:34am Thu 5 Apr 12

Seagull John says...

I have a flat for sale near
Preston Park with garage. Any takers?
I have a flat for sale near Preston Park with garage. Any takers? Seagull John
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8:20am Thu 5 Apr 12

CharlotteP says...

Hey, Greens... Are you reading this? See how disillusioned people are with you? Do the right thing for once and actually LISTEN to your residents views not just your own agendas.
Hey, Greens... Are you reading this? See how disillusioned people are with you? Do the right thing for once and actually LISTEN to your residents views not just your own agendas. CharlotteP
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10:34am Thu 5 Apr 12

Fercri Sakes says...

CharlotteP wrote:
Hey, Greens... Are you reading this? See how disillusioned people are with you? Do the right thing for once and actually LISTEN to your residents views not just your own agendas.
I don't think a few disgruntled motorists piping up on The Argus message board is going to change the Green Party's stance on motorists in our city. Most of the people I listen to welcome these changes.
[quote][p][bold]CharlotteP[/bold] wrote: Hey, Greens... Are you reading this? See how disillusioned people are with you? Do the right thing for once and actually LISTEN to your residents views not just your own agendas.[/p][/quote]I don't think a few disgruntled motorists piping up on The Argus message board is going to change the Green Party's stance on motorists in our city. Most of the people I listen to welcome these changes. Fercri Sakes
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10:36am Thu 5 Apr 12

Fercri Sakes says...

fedupwithgreens wrote:
SteveHove wrote:
Where is all this money going as the parking fees were set up as a non profit making scheme to aid movment around the city
Probably kitkats busy buying a copy of the road traffic manual,as i advised him to quote facts to me instead of fiction,and secondly,loony loops lucas has probably bought the layest ufo cosmo,that runs on urine and has 30inch alloys!!! Furry dice were free along with a 2 finger bar of kitkat!!!!( just wet myself)
Luckily, where you reside they have dedicated staff to clean that up.
[quote][p][bold]fedupwithgreens[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SteveHove[/bold] wrote: Where is all this money going as the parking fees were set up as a non profit making scheme to aid movment around the city[/p][/quote]Probably kitkats busy buying a copy of the road traffic manual,as i advised him to quote facts to me instead of fiction,and secondly,loony loops lucas has probably bought the layest ufo cosmo,that runs on urine and has 30inch alloys!!! Furry dice were free along with a 2 finger bar of kitkat!!!!( just wet myself)[/p][/quote]Luckily, where you reside they have dedicated staff to clean that up. Fercri Sakes
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11:43am Thu 5 Apr 12

moose10 says...

Brighton is a lovely city, but your council has now killed tourist revenue. i cant afford to come to brighton as often as i would otherwise of done, not with the price of car parking now. people will be going to eastbourne from now on, that will help there traders.
Brighton is a lovely city, but your council has now killed tourist revenue. i cant afford to come to brighton as often as i would otherwise of done, not with the price of car parking now. people will be going to eastbourne from now on, that will help there traders. moose10
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12:18pm Thu 5 Apr 12

graham_Seagull says...

fedupwithgreens wrote:
Henfield Hovite wrote:
graham_Seagull wrote: It's now£26.50 to park outside my flat for a day!!!! As I'm needing to work from home tomorrow I'll have to get up before the charging starts, drive it to a council multi storey and park it there for the day. That'll still set me bk £15 I guess.
Tip for you Graham_Seagull to save £15.00. Drive to somewhere where free parking, like Varndean/Withdean residential area. Leave car there for the day and get a bus back. Sorry to those residents, but needs must!!
All around race course area roads are free loadsa busses into town every 20mins ,a ten min downhill walk to hospital area
Thanks all!
I'll have to do that otherwise 4 days over Easter will set me bk over £100 which is double what is was before.
I can understand that over a longer term it's a good idea to discourage car use but not over the term of a one term council administration. I usually applaud the Greens bold decisions and they'll need more than one term to get ideas into action, and they aren't going to get the chance now. Politically naive.
[quote][p][bold]fedupwithgreens[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Henfield Hovite[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]graham_Seagull[/bold] wrote: It's now£26.50 to park outside my flat for a day!!!! As I'm needing to work from home tomorrow I'll have to get up before the charging starts, drive it to a council multi storey and park it there for the day. That'll still set me bk £15 I guess.[/p][/quote]Tip for you Graham_Seagull to save £15.00. Drive to somewhere where free parking, like Varndean/Withdean residential area. Leave car there for the day and get a bus back. Sorry to those residents, but needs must!![/p][/quote]All around race course area roads are free loadsa busses into town every 20mins ,a ten min downhill walk to hospital area[/p][/quote]Thanks all! I'll have to do that otherwise 4 days over Easter will set me bk over £100 which is double what is was before. I can understand that over a longer term it's a good idea to discourage car use but not over the term of a one term council administration. I usually applaud the Greens bold decisions and they'll need more than one term to get ideas into action, and they aren't going to get the chance now. Politically naive. graham_Seagull
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12:50pm Thu 5 Apr 12

tom servo says...

Fercri Sakes wrote:
CharlotteP wrote: Hey, Greens... Are you reading this? See how disillusioned people are with you? Do the right thing for once and actually LISTEN to your residents views not just your own agendas.
I don't think a few disgruntled motorists piping up on The Argus message board is going to change the Green Party's stance on motorists in our city. Most of the people I listen to welcome these changes.
Just a few motorists is it? try telling that to the businesses of Brighton and see how far that gets you.
[quote][p][bold]Fercri Sakes[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CharlotteP[/bold] wrote: Hey, Greens... Are you reading this? See how disillusioned people are with you? Do the right thing for once and actually LISTEN to your residents views not just your own agendas.[/p][/quote]I don't think a few disgruntled motorists piping up on The Argus message board is going to change the Green Party's stance on motorists in our city. Most of the people I listen to welcome these changes.[/p][/quote]Just a few motorists is it? try telling that to the businesses of Brighton and see how far that gets you. tom servo
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12:56pm Thu 5 Apr 12

pentle says...

and breathe...........
and breathe........... pentle
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12:58pm Thu 5 Apr 12

graham_Seagull says...

Fercri Sakes wrote:
CharlotteP wrote: Hey, Greens... Are you reading this? See how disillusioned people are with you? Do the right thing for once and actually LISTEN to your residents views not just your own agendas.
I don't think a few disgruntled motorists piping up on The Argus message board is going to change the Green Party's stance on motorists in our city. Most of the people I listen to welcome these changes.
18 months for a parking permit my way, and I need a car to get 70 miles to work each day- there and bk.
So at the wkds I have to now pay £26.50x2 which is double what it was.
Like I said, I understand a medium term attempt to move cars out of town, but almost overnight when I still have 8 mths on my flat lease means I'm trapped to a degree- ill have to pay it, local traders won't get as much trade from me I'm afraid.
[quote][p][bold]Fercri Sakes[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CharlotteP[/bold] wrote: Hey, Greens... Are you reading this? See how disillusioned people are with you? Do the right thing for once and actually LISTEN to your residents views not just your own agendas.[/p][/quote]I don't think a few disgruntled motorists piping up on The Argus message board is going to change the Green Party's stance on motorists in our city. Most of the people I listen to welcome these changes.[/p][/quote]18 months for a parking permit my way, and I need a car to get 70 miles to work each day- there and bk. So at the wkds I have to now pay £26.50x2 which is double what it was. Like I said, I understand a medium term attempt to move cars out of town, but almost overnight when I still have 8 mths on my flat lease means I'm trapped to a degree- ill have to pay it, local traders won't get as much trade from me I'm afraid. graham_Seagull
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1:24pm Thu 5 Apr 12

DrMhiranPatel says...

I have seriously had enough with this parking situation now. I have just decided to rent a space in a garage. Thanks Green Party, you are making me spend £4 a day on convenient parking. Well as long as the council doesn't see any of that money, i'll be happy!
I have seriously had enough with this parking situation now. I have just decided to rent a space in a garage. Thanks Green Party, you are making me spend £4 a day on convenient parking. Well as long as the council doesn't see any of that money, i'll be happy! DrMhiranPatel
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1:26pm Thu 5 Apr 12

Michael Inkpin-Leissner says...

guitarmanzz wrote:
Mark63 wrote:
What extortionate and vulgar increases that B&HCC has forced on its inhabitants and visitors!

Their insistence in punishing people who DO NOT WISH TO USE smelly, noisy and unhealthy public transport options, nor ride on 2 wheels in all weathers is completely disgusting.

It is not just the fact that costs have risen by up to a criminal 120% in places, but the fact that the money-swallowing machines only accept coins, resulting in additional purchases (more cost!) just to be able to feed them! Who carries £20 worth of coins around with them? I rarely have £5 worth of coins on me, just to be able to leave my car close to where I work.

I don't want to waste time sat on a crowded, noisy, smelly and downright unhealthy bus. Who would pay for such an experience, to be surrounded by screaming kids, smelly drunks, noisy teenagers and coughs and colds?!

They're making huge amounts of money from these hikes (Probably pay-back for not getting their lunatic way with the Council Task). And what they do with this extra revenue? They make the roads SMALLER, by adding 6’ (rarely used) cycle paths and bus stops that stick out into the narrow streets with far too many busses stopping traffic all over the city. Brighton - the only place where you can see 13 busses in their own traffic jam – and most of them on the same numbered route! Pathetic!

Is the Council full of imbeciles?!? Does the current pressure on household costs mean nothing to them?

Will this encourage people to change their habits? Not a chance!

What it will do is:

-force people away from visiting
-cause businesses to lose custom
-force key workers to leave the city or seek work elsewhere
-make Brighton the place that nobody wants to visit, apart from the beer swilling louts (of both sexes) who ruin the City Centre by night, so need a bus/train/cab/walk home.

The Council should be completely ashamed of what they are doing to future of Brighton and Hove.

The next elections cannot come soon enough!
Couldnt agree more mark 63! Too many buses and crazy traffic calming ideas have messed our city up big time! I noticed a new bus stop the other day in surrey street next to the station that now has a bus stop placed in the main road!and the bus doesnt just stop to let passengers on and off! It seems to just sit there anyway for five mins presumably on the orders of the greens to cause as big a fume filled jam as possible! Just insane really!!!
I could not agree more. Look at the chaos on Lewis Road. Lots of traffic lights and the pedestriants still prefer crossing the street whereever they like.
If having all those traffic lights in place, then at least switch them on a "Green Wave" rhythm, so that the traffic can float easier.
[quote][p][bold]guitarmanzz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mark63[/bold] wrote: What extortionate and vulgar increases that B&HCC has forced on its inhabitants and visitors! Their insistence in punishing people who DO NOT WISH TO USE smelly, noisy and unhealthy public transport options, nor ride on 2 wheels in all weathers is completely disgusting. It is not just the fact that costs have risen by up to a criminal 120% in places, but the fact that the money-swallowing machines only accept coins, resulting in additional purchases (more cost!) just to be able to feed them! Who carries £20 worth of coins around with them? I rarely have £5 worth of coins on me, just to be able to leave my car close to where I work. I don't want to waste time sat on a crowded, noisy, smelly and downright unhealthy bus. Who would pay for such an experience, to be surrounded by screaming kids, smelly drunks, noisy teenagers and coughs and colds?! They're making huge amounts of money from these hikes (Probably pay-back for not getting their lunatic way with the Council Task). And what they do with this extra revenue? They make the roads SMALLER, by adding 6’ (rarely used) cycle paths and bus stops that stick out into the narrow streets with far too many busses stopping traffic all over the city. Brighton - the only place where you can see 13 busses in their own traffic jam – and most of them on the same numbered route! Pathetic! Is the Council full of imbeciles?!? Does the current pressure on household costs mean nothing to them? Will this encourage people to change their habits? Not a chance! What it will do is: -force people away from visiting -cause businesses to lose custom -force key workers to leave the city or seek work elsewhere -make Brighton the place that nobody wants to visit, apart from the beer swilling louts (of both sexes) who ruin the City Centre by night, so need a bus/train/cab/walk home. The Council should be completely ashamed of what they are doing to future of Brighton and Hove. The next elections cannot come soon enough![/p][/quote]Couldnt agree more mark 63! Too many buses and crazy traffic calming ideas have messed our city up big time! I noticed a new bus stop the other day in surrey street next to the station that now has a bus stop placed in the main road!and the bus doesnt just stop to let passengers on and off! It seems to just sit there anyway for five mins presumably on the orders of the greens to cause as big a fume filled jam as possible! Just insane really!!![/p][/quote]I could not agree more. Look at the chaos on Lewis Road. Lots of traffic lights and the pedestriants still prefer crossing the street whereever they like. If having all those traffic lights in place, then at least switch them on a "Green Wave" rhythm, so that the traffic can float easier. Michael Inkpin-Leissner
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2:40pm Thu 5 Apr 12

Thebuilderman says...

Spanners wrote:
bigfella777 wrote: Nobody NEEDS a car!
well of course they don't. Doctors on emergency call should go by bus. Mums with three kids and a day job should go by bus to drop of baby 1 at nursery then by bike to drop off other two kids at school on the other side of town before skateborading to work (all by 9.30am). Tradesmen should balance all their tools on their heads and then cycle everywhere. Delivery drivers should simply chuck goods as far as they can and hope they make the rest of the journey on their own. And as for tourists and shoppers who, are ostensibley out for pleasure and will spend money, should be forced to use the cheap and reliable train/bus and park'n'ride services (which dont exist and the rubbish services that do hate people with bags of shopping, buggies and kids) So clearly you are right ! Nobody NEEDS a car, they just need air, water, food and shelter. Still bearing in mind that we live a rather more complex world than that, you know, with an economic and social structure (and a local reliance on tourist trade) perhaps what you have just stated is an utter load of old cobblers
Pardon me for being so stupid but surely the majority of
brightoniens voted in the Greens did they not?therfore you can't realy complain to much,i agree it is a daft policy and i certainly do not enjoy traveling on the ripoff Brighon buses or for that matter from/to london on the Train, so if everyone refused to pay these charges they would have to do something about it,there will never be a decent park & ride system set up in Brighton you would need a car park with at least 10000 spaces to cope with all the visitors and then the streets would be clogged up with more Buses, the answer i think is reduce Parking charges slightly in the short term but increase the frequency of Trains and train lengths from out of town reduce Train fares making it cheaper and easier for people to visit the city and also cut the number of buses in town all coming from.to the same destnation do we really need a bus every 10 minutes to the same place reduce it to every 20mins,there i have had my say over to you now Brighton folk.
[quote][p][bold]Spanners[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: Nobody NEEDS a car![/p][/quote]well of course they don't. Doctors on emergency call should go by bus. Mums with three kids and a day job should go by bus to drop of baby 1 at nursery then by bike to drop off other two kids at school on the other side of town before skateborading to work (all by 9.30am). Tradesmen should balance all their tools on their heads and then cycle everywhere. Delivery drivers should simply chuck goods as far as they can and hope they make the rest of the journey on their own. And as for tourists and shoppers who, are ostensibley out for pleasure and will spend money, should be forced to use the cheap and reliable train/bus and park'n'ride services (which dont exist and the rubbish services that do hate people with bags of shopping, buggies and kids) So clearly you are right ! Nobody NEEDS a car, they just need air, water, food and shelter. Still bearing in mind that we live a rather more complex world than that, you know, with an economic and social structure (and a local reliance on tourist trade) perhaps what you have just stated is an utter load of old cobblers[/p][/quote]Pardon me for being so stupid but surely the majority of brightoniens voted in the Greens did they not?therfore you can't realy complain to much,i agree it is a daft policy and i certainly do not enjoy traveling on the ripoff Brighon buses or for that matter from/to london on the Train, so if everyone refused to pay these charges they would have to do something about it,there will never be a decent park & ride system set up in Brighton you would need a car park with at least 10000 spaces to cope with all the visitors and then the streets would be clogged up with more Buses, the answer i think is reduce Parking charges slightly in the short term but increase the frequency of Trains and train lengths from out of town reduce Train fares making it cheaper and easier for people to visit the city and also cut the number of buses in town all coming from.to the same destnation do we really need a bus every 10 minutes to the same place reduce it to every 20mins,there i have had my say over to you now Brighton folk. Thebuilderman
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2:48pm Thu 5 Apr 12

Kate234 says...

Whatever next?

Why don't the Greens just stick a sign at the bottom of the A23 at the roundabout as you enter Brighton with a sign saying Turn Left For Eastbourne, Right for Worthing and Bournemouth or back that way for Gatwick and a cheap package holiday abroad.

Do these Greens all have trust funds or something which mean they don't need to worry about mortgages, rent etc and have no idea of what it is like to live in the real world?

Perhaps that is why they have such a hostile attitude to businesses in the City and those people that rely on them for work?
Whatever next? Why don't the Greens just stick a sign at the bottom of the A23 at the roundabout as you enter Brighton with a sign saying Turn Left For Eastbourne, Right for Worthing and Bournemouth or back that way for Gatwick and a cheap package holiday abroad. Do these Greens all have trust funds or something which mean they don't need to worry about mortgages, rent etc and have no idea of what it is like to live in the real world? Perhaps that is why they have such a hostile attitude to businesses in the City and those people that rely on them for work? Kate234
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3:19pm Thu 5 Apr 12

Fercri Sakes says...

Kate234 wrote:
Whatever next?

Why don't the Greens just stick a sign at the bottom of the A23 at the roundabout as you enter Brighton with a sign saying Turn Left For Eastbourne, Right for Worthing and Bournemouth or back that way for Gatwick and a cheap package holiday abroad.

Do these Greens all have trust funds or something which mean they don't need to worry about mortgages, rent etc and have no idea of what it is like to live in the real world?

Perhaps that is why they have such a hostile attitude to businesses in the City and those people that rely on them for work?
I think people getting to that roundabout will work out that it'll cost quite a bit more in petrol to change their destination to Bournemouth, rather than stump up an extra tenner if they want to park slap bang right on the seafront.

If they just want the beach there's always freeparking in Shoreham or Portslade.

And blaming the Greens for the lack of customers is missing a big blue Tory elephant in the room.
[quote][p][bold]Kate234[/bold] wrote: Whatever next? Why don't the Greens just stick a sign at the bottom of the A23 at the roundabout as you enter Brighton with a sign saying Turn Left For Eastbourne, Right for Worthing and Bournemouth or back that way for Gatwick and a cheap package holiday abroad. Do these Greens all have trust funds or something which mean they don't need to worry about mortgages, rent etc and have no idea of what it is like to live in the real world? Perhaps that is why they have such a hostile attitude to businesses in the City and those people that rely on them for work?[/p][/quote]I think people getting to that roundabout will work out that it'll cost quite a bit more in petrol to change their destination to Bournemouth, rather than stump up an extra tenner if they want to park slap bang right on the seafront. If they just want the beach there's always freeparking in Shoreham or Portslade. And blaming the Greens for the lack of customers is missing a big blue Tory elephant in the room. Fercri Sakes
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3:27pm Thu 5 Apr 12

deve says...

Green Elephants are bigger than blue Elephants and full of a lot more hot air.
Green Elephants are bigger than blue Elephants and full of a lot more hot air. deve
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3:51pm Thu 5 Apr 12

Fercri Sakes says...

deve wrote:
Green Elephants are bigger than blue Elephants and full of a lot more hot air.
I see you've been avoiding the national news for the last 2 years then.

The Greens seem to be sticking to their manifesto unlike the Tories.
[quote][p][bold]deve[/bold] wrote: Green Elephants are bigger than blue Elephants and full of a lot more hot air.[/p][/quote]I see you've been avoiding the national news for the last 2 years then. The Greens seem to be sticking to their manifesto unlike the Tories. Fercri Sakes
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4:38pm Thu 5 Apr 12

s&k says...

fedupwithgreens wrote:
Henfield Hovite wrote:
graham_Seagull wrote: It's now£26.50 to park outside my flat for a day!!!! As I'm needing to work from home tomorrow I'll have to get up before the charging starts, drive it to a council multi storey and park it there for the day. That'll still set me bk £15 I guess.
Tip for you Graham_Seagull to save £15.00. Drive to somewhere where free parking, like Varndean/Withdean residential area. Leave car there for the day and get a bus back. Sorry to those residents, but needs must!!
All around race course area roads are free loadsa busses into town every 20mins ,a ten min downhill walk to hospital area
Not for much longer I'm afraid as residents will request residents' parking!
[quote][p][bold]fedupwithgreens[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Henfield Hovite[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]graham_Seagull[/bold] wrote: It's now£26.50 to park outside my flat for a day!!!! As I'm needing to work from home tomorrow I'll have to get up before the charging starts, drive it to a council multi storey and park it there for the day. That'll still set me bk £15 I guess.[/p][/quote]Tip for you Graham_Seagull to save £15.00. Drive to somewhere where free parking, like Varndean/Withdean residential area. Leave car there for the day and get a bus back. Sorry to those residents, but needs must!![/p][/quote]All around race course area roads are free loadsa busses into town every 20mins ,a ten min downhill walk to hospital area[/p][/quote]Not for much longer I'm afraid as residents will request residents' parking! s&k
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5:37pm Thu 5 Apr 12

Sussex jim says...

My grandfather was the first generation in my family to buy a car. From working class roots, he had a shop in the thirties (does that make him middle class?) and I know he got a parking fine in Bognor (b*****r Bognor) in 1936.
I was 10 before my father could afford a 25-year old banger. He would borrow Grandad's car to take us to the seaside at weekends.
Arguably, I think the car is the greatest invention of the twentieth century. From the toy of the rich it has rapidly become an affordable domestic appliance of the masses. Ford, Hitler, and Issigonis have allowed Sussex man to drive his wife and kids to the seaside in their personal chariot.
Some of us live deep in rural Sussex: or Kent: we don't want to **** about with "park and ride". We certainly don't want to be screwed for £20 to park on Brighton seafront just to appease the Greens.
My grandfather was the first generation in my family to buy a car. From working class roots, he had a shop in the thirties (does that make him middle class?) and I know he got a parking fine in Bognor (b*****r Bognor) in 1936. I was 10 before my father could afford a 25-year old banger. He would borrow Grandad's car to take us to the seaside at weekends. Arguably, I think the car is the greatest invention of the twentieth century. From the toy of the rich it has rapidly become an affordable domestic appliance of the masses. Ford, Hitler, and Issigonis have allowed Sussex man to drive his wife and kids to the seaside in their personal chariot. Some of us live deep in rural Sussex: or Kent: we don't want to **** about with "park and ride". We certainly don't want to be screwed for £20 to park on Brighton seafront just to appease the Greens. Sussex jim
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5:48pm Thu 5 Apr 12

Sussex jim says...

Sussex jim wrote:
My grandfather was the first generation in my family to buy a car. From working class roots, he had a shop in the thirties (does that make him middle class?) and I know he got a parking fine in Bognor (b*****r Bognor) in 1936.
I was 10 before my father could afford a 25-year old banger. He would borrow Grandad's car to take us to the seaside at weekends.
Arguably, I think the car is the greatest invention of the twentieth century. From the toy of the rich it has rapidly become an affordable domestic appliance of the masses. Ford, Hitler, and Issigonis have allowed Sussex man to drive his wife and kids to the seaside in their personal chariot.
Some of us live deep in rural Sussex: or Kent: we don't want to **** about with "park and ride". We certainly don't want to be screwed for £20 to park on Brighton seafront just to appease the Greens.
Update: the censored word **** was like breaking wind, and not that associated with procreation: I am a Sussex gentleman.
[quote][p][bold]Sussex jim[/bold] wrote: My grandfather was the first generation in my family to buy a car. From working class roots, he had a shop in the thirties (does that make him middle class?) and I know he got a parking fine in Bognor (b*****r Bognor) in 1936. I was 10 before my father could afford a 25-year old banger. He would borrow Grandad's car to take us to the seaside at weekends. Arguably, I think the car is the greatest invention of the twentieth century. From the toy of the rich it has rapidly become an affordable domestic appliance of the masses. Ford, Hitler, and Issigonis have allowed Sussex man to drive his wife and kids to the seaside in their personal chariot. Some of us live deep in rural Sussex: or Kent: we don't want to **** about with "park and ride". We certainly don't want to be screwed for £20 to park on Brighton seafront just to appease the Greens.[/p][/quote]Update: the censored word **** was like breaking wind, and not that associated with procreation: I am a Sussex gentleman. Sussex jim
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6:03pm Thu 5 Apr 12

Suewashere says...

jamus77 wrote:
A question for everyone criticising these price hikes: when you look into the future, what, exactly, do you see?

On a hot saturday, you can get tailbacks on the A23 to Handcross and beyond. It can take an hour just to get from the Patcham roundabout into the town centre. This situation will not get any better in the future.

The greens are biting the bullet with this and I applaud their bravery. Brighton and Hove City Council should be doing everything in its power to deter motorists from entering the city centre. Obviously those with disabilities who need to park on the seafront should be exempt from these charges, but able-bodied people should learn to use ther legs and WALK!

Our infatuation with depreciating lumps of rusting metal - and the crazy illusion that they afford us 'freedom' - must end for the sake of sanity.
So introduce some joined up thinking. Sensible park and Ride schemes will address traffic coming into the city but show that we still want people.

Not everyone is in a position to walk or load children and shopping onto buses.

Not everyone that struggles with mobility has a disabled parking badge.

This is really going to divide residents and potential visitors into 'haves' and 'have nots'.
[quote][p][bold]jamus77[/bold] wrote: A question for everyone criticising these price hikes: when you look into the future, what, exactly, do you see? On a hot saturday, you can get tailbacks on the A23 to Handcross and beyond. It can take an hour just to get from the Patcham roundabout into the town centre. This situation will not get any better in the future. The greens are biting the bullet with this and I applaud their bravery. Brighton and Hove City Council should be doing everything in its power to deter motorists from entering the city centre. Obviously those with disabilities who need to park on the seafront should be exempt from these charges, but able-bodied people should learn to use ther legs and WALK! Our infatuation with depreciating lumps of rusting metal - and the crazy illusion that they afford us 'freedom' - must end for the sake of sanity.[/p][/quote]So introduce some joined up thinking. Sensible park and Ride schemes will address traffic coming into the city but show that we still want people. Not everyone is in a position to walk or load children and shopping onto buses. Not everyone that struggles with mobility has a disabled parking badge. This is really going to divide residents and potential visitors into 'haves' and 'have nots'. Suewashere
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6:19pm Thu 5 Apr 12

Suewashere says...

fedupwithgreens wrote:
Telscombe Cliffy wrote:
Bug Eye's spot on. The seafront will fill up with the cars of the rich-all gas guzzling massive Hummers, Mercs, BMs 4x4s etc! Not very green is it! Car parking rates in the city should perhaps be set charged on the amount your car pollutes the City the time its there. Also no ones mentioned the Marina-is that still free all day?
If you park in the correct bays, ITS FREEEEE📢
They will probably have surveys with slanted questions that enable them to bring in Pay and Display city wide so there won't be any free parking.

They will have to, to make up for the money they lose as their policies keep people out of town.
[quote][p][bold]fedupwithgreens[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Telscombe Cliffy[/bold] wrote: Bug Eye's spot on. The seafront will fill up with the cars of the rich-all gas guzzling massive Hummers, Mercs, BMs 4x4s etc! Not very green is it! Car parking rates in the city should perhaps be set charged on the amount your car pollutes the City the time its there. Also no ones mentioned the Marina-is that still free all day?[/p][/quote]If you park in the correct bays, ITS FREEEEE📢[/p][/quote]They will probably have surveys with slanted questions that enable them to bring in Pay and Display city wide so there won't be any free parking. They will have to, to make up for the money they lose as their policies keep people out of town. Suewashere
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7:07pm Thu 5 Apr 12

Sussex jim says...

Suewashere wrote:
fedupwithgreens wrote:
Telscombe Cliffy wrote:
Bug Eye's spot on. The seafront will fill up with the cars of the rich-all gas guzzling massive Hummers, Mercs, BMs 4x4s etc! Not very green is it! Car parking rates in the city should perhaps be set charged on the amount your car pollutes the City the time its there. Also no ones mentioned the Marina-is that still free all day?
If you park in the correct bays, ITS FREEEEE📢
They will probably have surveys with slanted questions that enable them to bring in Pay and Display city wide so there won't be any free parking.

They will have to, to make up for the money they lose as their policies keep people out of town.
Marina! Yes, I will probably park my people's car there to introduce my grandchildren to Brighton and its beaches. We could travel on the original green transport, Volks railway, to the attractions further west.
[quote][p][bold]Suewashere[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fedupwithgreens[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Telscombe Cliffy[/bold] wrote: Bug Eye's spot on. The seafront will fill up with the cars of the rich-all gas guzzling massive Hummers, Mercs, BMs 4x4s etc! Not very green is it! Car parking rates in the city should perhaps be set charged on the amount your car pollutes the City the time its there. Also no ones mentioned the Marina-is that still free all day?[/p][/quote]If you park in the correct bays, ITS FREEEEE📢[/p][/quote]They will probably have surveys with slanted questions that enable them to bring in Pay and Display city wide so there won't be any free parking. They will have to, to make up for the money they lose as their policies keep people out of town.[/p][/quote]Marina! Yes, I will probably park my people's car there to introduce my grandchildren to Brighton and its beaches. We could travel on the original green transport, Volks railway, to the attractions further west. Sussex jim
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7:16pm Thu 5 Apr 12

Kate234 says...

Fercri Sakes wrote:
Kate234 wrote:
Whatever next?

Why don't the Greens just stick a sign at the bottom of the A23 at the roundabout as you enter Brighton with a sign saying Turn Left For Eastbourne, Right for Worthing and Bournemouth or back that way for Gatwick and a cheap package holiday abroad.

Do these Greens all have trust funds or something which mean they don't need to worry about mortgages, rent etc and have no idea of what it is like to live in the real world?

Perhaps that is why they have such a hostile attitude to businesses in the City and those people that rely on them for work?
I think people getting to that roundabout will work out that it'll cost quite a bit more in petrol to change their destination to Bournemouth, rather than stump up an extra tenner if they want to park slap bang right on the seafront.

If they just want the beach there's always freeparking in Shoreham or Portslade.

And blaming the Greens for the lack of customers is missing a big blue Tory elephant in the room.
That's true some may carry on but the point is quite clear. Of those that don't most won't come back again or stay for a meal or go shopping. A bit like when you go to a restaurant for the first time. If it is good you come back. If they added a massive service charge which on the bill (which made them much more expensive than the restaurant next door) or the food is bad you don't again you go elsewhere. It is already often cheaper going to Marrakech from London than to Brighton for a week and people do factor in costs such as this when making a decision as to where to go.

The Greens seem to have no concept of how hard it is for some people in a middle of a recession to make a living.

As for blaming the Tories for this what planet are you living on.
[quote][p][bold]Fercri Sakes[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Kate234[/bold] wrote: Whatever next? Why don't the Greens just stick a sign at the bottom of the A23 at the roundabout as you enter Brighton with a sign saying Turn Left For Eastbourne, Right for Worthing and Bournemouth or back that way for Gatwick and a cheap package holiday abroad. Do these Greens all have trust funds or something which mean they don't need to worry about mortgages, rent etc and have no idea of what it is like to live in the real world? Perhaps that is why they have such a hostile attitude to businesses in the City and those people that rely on them for work?[/p][/quote]I think people getting to that roundabout will work out that it'll cost quite a bit more in petrol to change their destination to Bournemouth, rather than stump up an extra tenner if they want to park slap bang right on the seafront. If they just want the beach there's always freeparking in Shoreham or Portslade. And blaming the Greens for the lack of customers is missing a big blue Tory elephant in the room.[/p][/quote]That's true some may carry on but the point is quite clear. Of those that don't most won't come back again or stay for a meal or go shopping. A bit like when you go to a restaurant for the first time. If it is good you come back. If they added a massive service charge which on the bill (which made them much more expensive than the restaurant next door) or the food is bad you don't again you go elsewhere. It is already often cheaper going to Marrakech from London than to Brighton for a week and people do factor in costs such as this when making a decision as to where to go. The Greens seem to have no concept of how hard it is for some people in a middle of a recession to make a living. As for blaming the Tories for this what planet are you living on. Kate234
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7:26pm Thu 5 Apr 12

mustaphaLeeko says...

Well this is all nothing more than I expected when the Greens took over running the council!

Perhaps this is a wake up call to ALL of the people who couldn't be bothered to vote in the last local elections, I specifically got off my backside and voted to try and keep these loons out, but unfortunately there are a ton of transient students in the ward I live in, and loony sandal wearers!

If anything you only have yourselves to blame for the situation we are all in now!
Well this is all nothing more than I expected when the Greens took over running the council! Perhaps this is a wake up call to ALL of the people who couldn't be bothered to vote in the last local elections, I specifically got off my backside and voted to try and keep these loons out, but unfortunately there are a ton of transient students in the ward I live in, and loony sandal wearers! If anything you only have yourselves to blame for the situation we are all in now! mustaphaLeeko
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7:36pm Thu 5 Apr 12

Kate234 says...

mustaphaLeeko wrote:
Well this is all nothing more than I expected when the Greens took over running the council!

Perhaps this is a wake up call to ALL of the people who couldn't be bothered to vote in the last local elections, I specifically got off my backside and voted to try and keep these loons out, but unfortunately there are a ton of transient students in the ward I live in, and loony sandal wearers!

If anything you only have yourselves to blame for the situation we are all in now!
I must admit I agree with you. But it seems sad that they have proved so inept. I suppose it will provide healthy election fodder for the other parties nationally. Perhaps Jason Kitkat is secretly on the Tories payroll.
[quote][p][bold]mustaphaLeeko[/bold] wrote: Well this is all nothing more than I expected when the Greens took over running the council! Perhaps this is a wake up call to ALL of the people who couldn't be bothered to vote in the last local elections, I specifically got off my backside and voted to try and keep these loons out, but unfortunately there are a ton of transient students in the ward I live in, and loony sandal wearers! If anything you only have yourselves to blame for the situation we are all in now![/p][/quote]I must admit I agree with you. But it seems sad that they have proved so inept. I suppose it will provide healthy election fodder for the other parties nationally. Perhaps Jason Kitkat is secretly on the Tories payroll. Kate234
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7:38pm Thu 5 Apr 12

bbbazcooper says...

Thebuilderman wrote:
Spanners wrote:
bigfella777 wrote: Nobody NEEDS a car!
well of course they don't. Doctors on emergency call should go by bus. Mums with three kids and a day job should go by bus to drop of baby 1 at nursery then by bike to drop off other two kids at school on the other side of town before skateborading to work (all by 9.30am). Tradesmen should balance all their tools on their heads and then cycle everywhere. Delivery drivers should simply chuck goods as far as they can and hope they make the rest of the journey on their own. And as for tourists and shoppers who, are ostensibley out for pleasure and will spend money, should be forced to use the cheap and reliable train/bus and park'n'ride services (which dont exist and the rubbish services that do hate people with bags of shopping, buggies and kids) So clearly you are right ! Nobody NEEDS a car, they just need air, water, food and shelter. Still bearing in mind that we live a rather more complex world than that, you know, with an economic and social structure (and a local reliance on tourist trade) perhaps what you have just stated is an utter load of old cobblers
Pardon me for being so stupid but surely the majority of
brightoniens voted in the Greens did they not?therfore you can't realy complain to much,i agree it is a daft policy and i certainly do not enjoy traveling on the ripoff Brighon buses or for that matter from/to london on the Train, so if everyone refused to pay these charges they would have to do something about it,there will never be a decent park & ride system set up in Brighton you would need a car park with at least 10000 spaces to cope with all the visitors and then the streets would be clogged up with more Buses, the answer i think is reduce Parking charges slightly in the short term but increase the frequency of Trains and train lengths from out of town reduce Train fares making it cheaper and easier for people to visit the city and also cut the number of buses in town all coming from.to the same destnation do we really need a bus every 10 minutes to the same place reduce it to every 20mins,there i have had my say over to you now Brighton folk.
Hi Builderman, just a point of note for you, while the Greens got most seats and probably most votes in the last local election the majority of Brightonians did not vote for them.

The Greens got elected by soliciting student votes so the transient population, who have no interest in the wellbeing of this city, overrode views of the settled population and the settled population has to live with the idiotic decisions of this idiotic council.

Its not even the politics of the student union - its more like the politics of the primary school
[quote][p][bold]Thebuilderman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Spanners[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: Nobody NEEDS a car![/p][/quote]well of course they don't. Doctors on emergency call should go by bus. Mums with three kids and a day job should go by bus to drop of baby 1 at nursery then by bike to drop off other two kids at school on the other side of town before skateborading to work (all by 9.30am). Tradesmen should balance all their tools on their heads and then cycle everywhere. Delivery drivers should simply chuck goods as far as they can and hope they make the rest of the journey on their own. And as for tourists and shoppers who, are ostensibley out for pleasure and will spend money, should be forced to use the cheap and reliable train/bus and park'n'ride services (which dont exist and the rubbish services that do hate people with bags of shopping, buggies and kids) So clearly you are right ! Nobody NEEDS a car, they just need air, water, food and shelter. Still bearing in mind that we live a rather more complex world than that, you know, with an economic and social structure (and a local reliance on tourist trade) perhaps what you have just stated is an utter load of old cobblers[/p][/quote]Pardon me for being so stupid but surely the majority of brightoniens voted in the Greens did they not?therfore you can't realy complain to much,i agree it is a daft policy and i certainly do not enjoy traveling on the ripoff Brighon buses or for that matter from/to london on the Train, so if everyone refused to pay these charges they would have to do something about it,there will never be a decent park & ride system set up in Brighton you would need a car park with at least 10000 spaces to cope with all the visitors and then the streets would be clogged up with more Buses, the answer i think is reduce Parking charges slightly in the short term but increase the frequency of Trains and train lengths from out of town reduce Train fares making it cheaper and easier for people to visit the city and also cut the number of buses in town all coming from.to the same destnation do we really need a bus every 10 minutes to the same place reduce it to every 20mins,there i have had my say over to you now Brighton folk.[/p][/quote]Hi Builderman, just a point of note for you, while the Greens got most seats and probably most votes in the last local election the majority of Brightonians did not vote for them. The Greens got elected by soliciting student votes so the transient population, who have no interest in the wellbeing of this city, overrode views of the settled population and the settled population has to live with the idiotic decisions of this idiotic council. Its not even the politics of the student union - its more like the politics of the primary school bbbazcooper
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9:28pm Thu 5 Apr 12

BornInBrighton1968 says...

bbbazcooper wrote:
Thebuilderman wrote:
Spanners wrote:
bigfella777 wrote: Nobody NEEDS a car!
well of course they don't. Doctors on emergency call should go by bus. Mums with three kids and a day job should go by bus to drop of baby 1 at nursery then by bike to drop off other two kids at school on the other side of town before skateborading to work (all by 9.30am). Tradesmen should balance all their tools on their heads and then cycle everywhere. Delivery drivers should simply chuck goods as far as they can and hope they make the rest of the journey on their own. And as for tourists and shoppers who, are ostensibley out for pleasure and will spend money, should be forced to use the cheap and reliable train/bus and park'n'ride services (which dont exist and the rubbish services that do hate people with bags of shopping, buggies and kids) So clearly you are right ! Nobody NEEDS a car, they just need air, water, food and shelter. Still bearing in mind that we live a rather more complex world than that, you know, with an economic and social structure (and a local reliance on tourist trade) perhaps what you have just stated is an utter load of old cobblers
Pardon me for being so stupid but surely the majority of
brightoniens voted in the Greens did they not?therfore you can't realy complain to much,i agree it is a daft policy and i certainly do not enjoy traveling on the ripoff Brighon buses or for that matter from/to london on the Train, so if everyone refused to pay these charges they would have to do something about it,there will never be a decent park & ride system set up in Brighton you would need a car park with at least 10000 spaces to cope with all the visitors and then the streets would be clogged up with more Buses, the answer i think is reduce Parking charges slightly in the short term but increase the frequency of Trains and train lengths from out of town reduce Train fares making it cheaper and easier for people to visit the city and also cut the number of buses in town all coming from.to the same destnation do we really need a bus every 10 minutes to the same place reduce it to every 20mins,there i have had my say over to you now Brighton folk.
Hi Builderman, just a point of note for you, while the Greens got most seats and probably most votes in the last local election the majority of Brightonians did not vote for them.

The Greens got elected by soliciting student votes so the transient population, who have no interest in the wellbeing of this city, overrode views of the settled population and the settled population has to live with the idiotic decisions of this idiotic council.

Its not even the politics of the student union - its more like the politics of the primary school
You're right; I work on the Sussex campus and my girlfriend works at Brighton Uni, and we can both confirm that the Greens were desperately going after the student vote during the election; a month before voting took place, there was a permanent Green party presecence on both campuses, desperate to get students (who think it is trendy and alternative) to vote Green...
[quote][p][bold]bbbazcooper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thebuilderman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Spanners[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: Nobody NEEDS a car![/p][/quote]well of course they don't. Doctors on emergency call should go by bus. Mums with three kids and a day job should go by bus to drop of baby 1 at nursery then by bike to drop off other two kids at school on the other side of town before skateborading to work (all by 9.30am). Tradesmen should balance all their tools on their heads and then cycle everywhere. Delivery drivers should simply chuck goods as far as they can and hope they make the rest of the journey on their own. And as for tourists and shoppers who, are ostensibley out for pleasure and will spend money, should be forced to use the cheap and reliable train/bus and park'n'ride services (which dont exist and the rubbish services that do hate people with bags of shopping, buggies and kids) So clearly you are right ! Nobody NEEDS a car, they just need air, water, food and shelter. Still bearing in mind that we live a rather more complex world than that, you know, with an economic and social structure (and a local reliance on tourist trade) perhaps what you have just stated is an utter load of old cobblers[/p][/quote]Pardon me for being so stupid but surely the majority of brightoniens voted in the Greens did they not?therfore you can't realy complain to much,i agree it is a daft policy and i certainly do not enjoy traveling on the ripoff Brighon buses or for that matter from/to london on the Train, so if everyone refused to pay these charges they would have to do something about it,there will never be a decent park & ride system set up in Brighton you would need a car park with at least 10000 spaces to cope with all the visitors and then the streets would be clogged up with more Buses, the answer i think is reduce Parking charges slightly in the short term but increase the frequency of Trains and train lengths from out of town reduce Train fares making it cheaper and easier for people to visit the city and also cut the number of buses in town all coming from.to the same destnation do we really need a bus every 10 minutes to the same place reduce it to every 20mins,there i have had my say over to you now Brighton folk.[/p][/quote]Hi Builderman, just a point of note for you, while the Greens got most seats and probably most votes in the last local election the majority of Brightonians did not vote for them. The Greens got elected by soliciting student votes so the transient population, who have no interest in the wellbeing of this city, overrode views of the settled population and the settled population has to live with the idiotic decisions of this idiotic council. Its not even the politics of the student union - its more like the politics of the primary school[/p][/quote]You're right; I work on the Sussex campus and my girlfriend works at Brighton Uni, and we can both confirm that the Greens were desperately going after the student vote during the election; a month before voting took place, there was a permanent Green party presecence on both campuses, desperate to get students (who think it is trendy and alternative) to vote Green... BornInBrighton1968
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9:58pm Thu 5 Apr 12

fred clause says...

drove along the seafront today its working only 4 cars parked there that will bring the cash in lol well done Greens a whole nrw meaning to the word stupidity.
drove along the seafront today its working only 4 cars parked there that will bring the cash in lol well done Greens a whole nrw meaning to the word stupidity. fred clause
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10:31pm Thu 5 Apr 12

Fishyrob says...

Nice one our honourable Green councillors. Good to see you got the pulse of the people of Brighton. I almost understand the parking charges as your agenda is all about reducing carbon footprints, even if it is at the cost of local tourist dependant businesses, but what was your defeated attempt at raising allotment rents by 70% all about. You have certainly re-awakened the working mans interest in politics. I'll be voting at the next council elections, thats for sure.
Nice one our honourable Green councillors. Good to see you got the pulse of the people of Brighton. I almost understand the parking charges as your agenda is all about reducing carbon footprints, even if it is at the cost of local tourist dependant businesses, but what was your defeated attempt at raising allotment rents by 70% all about. You have certainly re-awakened the working mans interest in politics. I'll be voting at the next council elections, thats for sure. Fishyrob
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2:01am Fri 6 Apr 12

Brighton Visitor says...

What has Brighton got to offer? Nothing as far as I see.

I will be looking at taking the dog for a day out elsewhere now. Somewhere which won't cost the earth.
What has Brighton got to offer? Nothing as far as I see. I will be looking at taking the dog for a day out elsewhere now. Somewhere which won't cost the earth. Brighton Visitor
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6:50am Fri 6 Apr 12

Angryoldman says...

It looks like Brighton will be distined to follow Margate. Dead as a Dodo!
It looks like Brighton will be distined to follow Margate. Dead as a Dodo! Angryoldman
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8:18am Fri 6 Apr 12

Maxwell's Ghost says...

I am an avid recycler. However, in protest at the Greens and their continual assault on working people, I am no longer going to spend my time cleaning bottles and cans and sorting out my waste to help them meet their target.
In protest at this council I shall put all my waste in my wheelie bin just as the students next door to me do.
They voted Green, they don't recycle, they don't pay council tax yet the council work for them and their needs only.
If my action helps the UKs only Green run council to fail its Government recycling target I will get some payback.
I am an avid recycler. However, in protest at the Greens and their continual assault on working people, I am no longer going to spend my time cleaning bottles and cans and sorting out my waste to help them meet their target. In protest at this council I shall put all my waste in my wheelie bin just as the students next door to me do. They voted Green, they don't recycle, they don't pay council tax yet the council work for them and their needs only. If my action helps the UKs only Green run council to fail its Government recycling target I will get some payback. Maxwell's Ghost
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9:16am Fri 6 Apr 12

graham_Seagull says...

Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
I am an avid recycler. However, in protest at the Greens and their continual assault on working people, I am no longer going to spend my time cleaning bottles and cans and sorting out my waste to help them meet their target.
In protest at this council I shall put all my waste in my wheelie bin just as the students next door to me do.
They voted Green, they don't recycle, they don't pay council tax yet the council work for them and their needs only.
If my action helps the UKs only Green run council to fail its Government recycling target I will get some payback.
it doesnt work like that I'm afraid. The less we recycle the more will be sent to the new incinerator at Newhaven, and the more we'll poison ourselves from the fumes.
If it isnt sent there then as more goes to landfill then the EU will fine the UK....and we'll pay the fine.
So probably best we all carry on doing our bit for the environment as its in our interest.....
[quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: I am an avid recycler. However, in protest at the Greens and their continual assault on working people, I am no longer going to spend my time cleaning bottles and cans and sorting out my waste to help them meet their target. In protest at this council I shall put all my waste in my wheelie bin just as the students next door to me do. They voted Green, they don't recycle, they don't pay council tax yet the council work for them and their needs only. If my action helps the UKs only Green run council to fail its Government recycling target I will get some payback.[/p][/quote]it doesnt work like that I'm afraid. The less we recycle the more will be sent to the new incinerator at Newhaven, and the more we'll poison ourselves from the fumes. If it isnt sent there then as more goes to landfill then the EU will fine the UK....and we'll pay the fine. So probably best we all carry on doing our bit for the environment as its in our interest..... graham_Seagull
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9:53am Fri 6 Apr 12

Fercri Sakes says...

Angryoldman wrote:
It looks like Brighton will be distined to follow Margate. Dead as a Dodo!
Want to put money on it? I hardly think the decline of Margate as a tourist resort was due to the parking charges going up a bit.
[quote][p][bold]Angryoldman[/bold] wrote: It looks like Brighton will be distined to follow Margate. Dead as a Dodo![/p][/quote]Want to put money on it? I hardly think the decline of Margate as a tourist resort was due to the parking charges going up a bit. Fercri Sakes
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12:46pm Fri 6 Apr 12

graham_Seagull says...

Fercri Sakes wrote:
Angryoldman wrote: It looks like Brighton will be distined to follow Margate. Dead as a Dodo!
Want to put money on it? I hardly think the decline of Margate as a tourist resort was due to the parking charges going up a bit.
Perhaps not, but at some point visitors decided not to go there as much as they once did.
A significant proportion of jobs in Brighton are seasonal, so if there are say 10% less visitors that means less jobs, more paid out in welfare, the less students come to Btn asfewer part time jobs, the lower the prestige of Brighton, the less high tech companies are around to use the pool of resources....it goes on and on
[quote][p][bold]Fercri Sakes[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Angryoldman[/bold] wrote: It looks like Brighton will be distined to follow Margate. Dead as a Dodo![/p][/quote]Want to put money on it? I hardly think the decline of Margate as a tourist resort was due to the parking charges going up a bit.[/p][/quote]Perhaps not, but at some point visitors decided not to go there as much as they once did. A significant proportion of jobs in Brighton are seasonal, so if there are say 10% less visitors that means less jobs, more paid out in welfare, the less students come to Btn asfewer part time jobs, the lower the prestige of Brighton, the less high tech companies are around to use the pool of resources....it goes on and on graham_Seagull
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2:46pm Fri 6 Apr 12

Fercri Sakes says...

Putting parking prices up to £20 on Madeira Drive will not reduce the number of visitors by 10%.

Public sector cuts and inflation will have a much bigger impact on visitor numbers.
Putting parking prices up to £20 on Madeira Drive will not reduce the number of visitors by 10%. Public sector cuts and inflation will have a much bigger impact on visitor numbers. Fercri Sakes
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2:51pm Fri 6 Apr 12

Fercri Sakes says...

Brighton Visitor wrote:
What has Brighton got to offer? Nothing as far as I see.

I will be looking at taking the dog for a day out elsewhere now. Somewhere which won't cost the earth.
Why have you been coming here if Brighton has nothing to offer?

And you could decide not to park slap bang on the seafront and the cost would be no different.
[quote][p][bold]Brighton Visitor[/bold] wrote: What has Brighton got to offer? Nothing as far as I see. I will be looking at taking the dog for a day out elsewhere now. Somewhere which won't cost the earth.[/p][/quote]Why have you been coming here if Brighton has nothing to offer? And you could decide not to park slap bang on the seafront and the cost would be no different. Fercri Sakes
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5:35pm Fri 6 Apr 12

webb89 says...

you cannot compare brighton parking charges to london has all london people park up and pay and do not moan about it. there are a lot of cheapskate people in brighton, and the price has to go up because the car park is not full 24 hours a day 7 days a week, the cars do not slow down for the seagulls and pigeon's when they are on the road.
you cannot compare brighton parking charges to london has all london people park up and pay and do not moan about it. there are a lot of cheapskate people in brighton, and the price has to go up because the car park is not full 24 hours a day 7 days a week, the cars do not slow down for the seagulls and pigeon's when they are on the road. webb89
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6:41pm Fri 6 Apr 12

newdeal says...

As a Withdean resident I think we should have a park and cycle here.(Put the park and ride a bit further out). Maybe that would get the council to address the many danger zones for cyclists - like the main road going down to the pier. I still can't understand why the council are spending a fortune on cycle lanes on relatively safe, wide roads - like near Bhasvic, but put people off cycling by keeping main routes too dangerous to risk.
I drive too and think the price hike is ridiculous. People have to get around somehow and for many people the car is the only option. It used to be for me - when my kids were smaller and I was working.
There are elections - maybe it's just my ward - in a few weeks, so I suspect the greens will find out how their parking policies have gone down then...
As a Withdean resident I think we should have a park and cycle here.(Put the park and ride a bit further out). Maybe that would get the council to address the many danger zones for cyclists - like the main road going down to the pier. I still can't understand why the council are spending a fortune on cycle lanes on relatively safe, wide roads - like near Bhasvic, but put people off cycling by keeping main routes too dangerous to risk. I drive too and think the price hike is ridiculous. People have to get around somehow and for many people the car is the only option. It used to be for me - when my kids were smaller and I was working. There are elections - maybe it's just my ward - in a few weeks, so I suspect the greens will find out how their parking policies have gone down then... newdeal
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7:39pm Fri 6 Apr 12

Kate234 says...

The sad thing is that we have no idea what would happen but from our own experience all those with cars are pretty sure how it would affect our own behaviour. You go shopping and eating out elsewhere. The only people I am sure this will benefit are the out of town shopping centres where parking is free or very rich people to who don't care out costs such as these. For as long as Brighton has been a tourist destination it has heavily relied on transport other than just buses and trains to get tourists here. Before cars Marine Parade was filled with horses. There's an interesting idea perhaps the Greens could build horse riding stables all over the seafront so people could ride horses here so businesses and those that rely on them for plumbing shoppings, waitressing jobs etc still have businesses to. Actually I probably shouldn't have mentioned that as an idea the Greens are so insane they might even take an idea like that seriously.
The sad thing is that we have no idea what would happen but from our own experience all those with cars are pretty sure how it would affect our own behaviour. You go shopping and eating out elsewhere. The only people I am sure this will benefit are the out of town shopping centres where parking is free or very rich people to who don't care out costs such as these. For as long as Brighton has been a tourist destination it has heavily relied on transport other than just buses and trains to get tourists here. Before cars Marine Parade was filled with horses. There's an interesting idea perhaps the Greens could build horse riding stables all over the seafront so people could ride horses here so businesses and those that rely on them for plumbing shoppings, waitressing jobs etc still have businesses to. Actually I probably shouldn't have mentioned that as an idea the Greens are so insane they might even take an idea like that seriously. Kate234
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8:41pm Fri 6 Apr 12

graham_Seagull says...

Fercri Sakes wrote:
Putting parking prices up to £20 on Madeira Drive will not reduce the number of visitors by 10%. Public sector cuts and inflation will have a much bigger impact on visitor numbers.
The parking charges are up all thru central Brighton. My road was about £14 to park all day- its now £26.50.
I've seen three drivers just today walk up to the machine, check the cost, then get bk into their cars to drive away.
If I've seen 3 in my few mins walking along, I'd wager there must be dozens who have done the same in my road, then count that up over many roads. 10% is poss an under estimate.
[quote][p][bold]Fercri Sakes[/bold] wrote: Putting parking prices up to £20 on Madeira Drive will not reduce the number of visitors by 10%. Public sector cuts and inflation will have a much bigger impact on visitor numbers.[/p][/quote]The parking charges are up all thru central Brighton. My road was about £14 to park all day- its now £26.50. I've seen three drivers just today walk up to the machine, check the cost, then get bk into their cars to drive away. If I've seen 3 in my few mins walking along, I'd wager there must be dozens who have done the same in my road, then count that up over many roads. 10% is poss an under estimate. graham_Seagull
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9:45pm Fri 6 Apr 12

sasquatch2202 says...

Any political parties out there that will encourage tourists back to our town and also will fight off the so called travellers rather than give them a permanent site here so their wonderful offspring can go to school and terrorise our children gets mine and all of the people l know votes.let me know if you are such a party please
Any political parties out there that will encourage tourists back to our town and also will fight off the so called travellers rather than give them a permanent site here so their wonderful offspring can go to school and terrorise our children gets mine and all of the people l know votes.let me know if you are such a party please sasquatch2202
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5:13am Sat 7 Apr 12

JoeBlow says...

I live overseas. I am coming over there in the near future, but I have just crossed Brighton off my list of places I'll be going. Plenty of other places to choose from that won't rip me off for parking my hire car. Brighton just lost my money - I wonder how many others are doing the same after reading about these charges.
I live overseas. I am coming over there in the near future, but I have just crossed Brighton off my list of places I'll be going. Plenty of other places to choose from that won't rip me off for parking my hire car. Brighton just lost my money - I wonder how many others are doing the same after reading about these charges. JoeBlow
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6:37am Sat 7 Apr 12

qm says...

Well enough stupid idiots voted for the incumbent council so if you want to have a go at the root cause of an increasing number of contentious issues . . . . . . . . stop being so bl**dy stupid!!!
Well enough stupid idiots voted for the incumbent council so if you want to have a go at the root cause of an increasing number of contentious issues . . . . . . . . stop being so bl**dy stupid!!! qm
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8:16am Sat 7 Apr 12

rolivan says...

Joshiman wrote:
What is going on in Brighton?.
Does the rest of the UK know what a Green Council will do.Time to contact a few tabloid reporters.We want the whole Country to know what is happening here.
The Daily Mail have picked up on the Parking and apparently it is more expensive than St Tropez which charges £6 a day.
[quote][p][bold]Joshiman[/bold] wrote: What is going on in Brighton?. Does the rest of the UK know what a Green Council will do.Time to contact a few tabloid reporters.We want the whole Country to know what is happening here.[/p][/quote]The Daily Mail have picked up on the Parking and apparently it is more expensive than St Tropez which charges £6 a day. rolivan
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12:54pm Sat 7 Apr 12

Take it Personally says...

Well done to the IDIOTS at B+H Council - this story has made international press now and comments on various sites are that people will now avoid Brighton. Really smart.
Can't the Argus investigate and start NAMING some of these faceless bureaucrats? If idiots can make such damning decisions (how is this going to impact on business in this city now??) then they can at least be named and kept accountable for their decisions. Bring on the May election!
Well done to the IDIOTS at B+H Council - this story has made international press now and comments on various sites are that people will now avoid Brighton. Really smart. Can't the Argus investigate and start NAMING some of these faceless bureaucrats? If idiots can make such damning decisions (how is this going to impact on business in this city now??) then they can at least be named and kept accountable for their decisions. Bring on the May election! Take it Personally
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1:06pm Sat 7 Apr 12

Take it Personally says...

rolivan wrote:
Joshiman wrote:
What is going on in Brighton?.
Does the rest of the UK know what a Green Council will do.Time to contact a few tabloid reporters.We want the whole Country to know what is happening here.
The Daily Mail have picked up on the Parking and apparently it is more expensive than St Tropez which charges £6 a day.
Its been picked up in South African, Canadian and American press... great for tourism (as well as national press)
[quote][p][bold]rolivan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Joshiman[/bold] wrote: What is going on in Brighton?. Does the rest of the UK know what a Green Council will do.Time to contact a few tabloid reporters.We want the whole Country to know what is happening here.[/p][/quote]The Daily Mail have picked up on the Parking and apparently it is more expensive than St Tropez which charges £6 a day.[/p][/quote]Its been picked up in South African, Canadian and American press... great for tourism (as well as national press) Take it Personally
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7:49pm Sat 7 Apr 12

hubby says...

I live about half a km from some beautiful Spanish beaches.There are NO parking charges and the bars/restaurants/kio
scs etc are heaving.
I am close enough to walk or bike,but it brings in the tourists and they spend money.Brighton is very short sighted.
I live about half a km from some beautiful Spanish beaches.There are NO parking charges and the bars/restaurants/kio scs etc are heaving. I am close enough to walk or bike,but it brings in the tourists and they spend money.Brighton is very short sighted. hubby
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9:41am Sun 8 Apr 12

Stop moaning and bend over says...

Argus readers are so short-sighted. Please, take a step back, and a deep breath, and try to understand that it is not just that you all need to be shafted, you also need to 'feel' you are being shafted...it's not nearly as much fun otherwise.
Argus readers are so short-sighted. Please, take a step back, and a deep breath, and try to understand that it is not just that you all need to be shafted, you also need to 'feel' you are being shafted...it's not nearly as much fun otherwise. Stop moaning and bend over
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11:02am Sun 8 Apr 12

Fishyrob says...

All those eyeing the marina multi, please be aware of the four hour maximum stay. To date, it hasnt been enforced, but an influx of cars from non-marina users will see an instant reaction from marina management. The marina, thanks to the actions of a previous short sighted council, is private property.
All those eyeing the marina multi, please be aware of the four hour maximum stay. To date, it hasnt been enforced, but an influx of cars from non-marina users will see an instant reaction from marina management. The marina, thanks to the actions of a previous short sighted council, is private property. Fishyrob
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11:13am Sun 8 Apr 12

Fishyrob says...

And one other thing.... The greens have a facebook page, here http://www.facebook.
com/brightonhovegree
ns As they are happy to have a two way portal to get the instant pulse of their electorate, I think it only fair the electorate use it to express their views..........
And one other thing.... The greens have a facebook page, here http://www.facebook. com/brightonhovegree ns As they are happy to have a two way portal to get the instant pulse of their electorate, I think it only fair the electorate use it to express their views.......... Fishyrob
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12:41pm Mon 9 Apr 12

Ballroom Blitz says...

The problem with this massive parking price hike throughout Brighton and Hove, is that it will kill trade in the city.
People will only visit once, find out that they are actually being charged MORE at the weekends (if that isn't cynical, I don't know what is) and will vote with their cars and go elsewhere. There is always an alternative - and now just about everywhere else in the whole of the UK is a CHEAPER alternative.
I work in the Lanes, and I have already heard regular visitors complaining, and saying they won't be coming to Brighton again as the parking is too expensive.
There is no park and ride scheme, therefore for most visitors there is NO alternative but to bring their cars into the city.
Contrast with Crawley. You can park all day in Crawley in the car park adjacent to the shopping mall for £5. Yes, £5 for 24 hours. And it's £2.50 on Sundays. That's encouraging people to visit, isn't it?
You can park for just over 1 hour in Brighton for the same money.
The parking fees will eventually strangle all the small businesses that rely on visitors to make a living, and Brighton will become a ghost town, with only the multi national retailers being able to keep a presence.
And then Brighton will cease to be a place that people want to visit, as all the individuality that makes Brighton the place we all love, will have dissappeared.
I cannot believe how short-sighted this policy is.
Brighton needs visitors. It is our lifeblood.
In Worthing they realised they had made a mistake when they increased parking charges, and they reduced them again.
The Greens need to do the same, and make it affordable to visit our city - or put in a proper park and ride service!!
Lastly, why are nearly all the parking bays labelled up for 4 hours only? Surely we want to encourage people to stay and spend money, not make them leave after 4 hours.
The problem with this massive parking price hike throughout Brighton and Hove, is that it will kill trade in the city. People will only visit once, find out that they are actually being charged MORE at the weekends (if that isn't cynical, I don't know what is) and will vote with their cars and go elsewhere. There is always an alternative - and now just about everywhere else in the whole of the UK is a CHEAPER alternative. I work in the Lanes, and I have already heard regular visitors complaining, and saying they won't be coming to Brighton again as the parking is too expensive. There is no park and ride scheme, therefore for most visitors there is NO alternative but to bring their cars into the city. Contrast with Crawley. You can park all day in Crawley in the car park adjacent to the shopping mall for £5. Yes, £5 for 24 hours. And it's £2.50 on Sundays. That's encouraging people to visit, isn't it? You can park for just over 1 hour in Brighton for the same money. The parking fees will eventually strangle all the small businesses that rely on visitors to make a living, and Brighton will become a ghost town, with only the multi national retailers being able to keep a presence. And then Brighton will cease to be a place that people want to visit, as all the individuality that makes Brighton the place we all love, will have dissappeared. I cannot believe how short-sighted this policy is. Brighton needs visitors. It is our lifeblood. In Worthing they realised they had made a mistake when they increased parking charges, and they reduced them again. The Greens need to do the same, and make it affordable to visit our city - or put in a proper park and ride service!! Lastly, why are nearly all the parking bays labelled up for 4 hours only? Surely we want to encourage people to stay and spend money, not make them leave after 4 hours. Ballroom Blitz
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1:19pm Mon 9 Apr 12

MarkBrighton says...

So if you are well off, this is brilliant ! there going to be loads of empty parking spaces! If your'e not so well off, you can no longer visit Brighton. Parking and cars are for the well off only now.. Thanks again Greens for your 'social justice'

Local government is not the place to fight climate change !! It must be done on a national where it is thought out properly so that the poor arent penalised unfairly.
So if you are well off, this is brilliant ! there going to be loads of empty parking spaces! If your'e not so well off, you can no longer visit Brighton. Parking and cars are for the well off only now.. Thanks again Greens for your 'social justice' Local government is not the place to fight climate change !! It must be done on a national where it is thought out properly so that the poor arent penalised unfairly. MarkBrighton
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6:43pm Mon 9 Apr 12

norflondon says...

Regular London-based visitor to Hanover here.

The CPZ proposal covering all free-to-park but viable walking routes to the seafront was voted out (not a Green suggestion?), but will make a comeback at this rate.
Having said that, parking in Hanover is a 'mare, even compared to many central London areas. Cambridge has an excellent park and ride system and I can't see why it cannot be copied in Brighton. However, if I am visiting my brother for a few days, I expect to be able to park within a street or two of his house.

PS - the rubbish & recycling collection services in Brighton compared to my own in Enfield are utter shoite
Regular London-based visitor to Hanover here. The CPZ proposal covering all free-to-park but viable walking routes to the seafront was voted out (not a Green suggestion?), but will make a comeback at this rate. Having said that, parking in Hanover is a 'mare, even compared to many central London areas. Cambridge has an excellent park and ride system and I can't see why it cannot be copied in Brighton. However, if I am visiting my brother for a few days, I expect to be able to park within a street or two of his house. PS - the rubbish & recycling collection services in Brighton compared to my own in Enfield are utter shoite norflondon
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8:27am Tue 10 Apr 12

Ballroom Blitz says...

If all you want to do, as a family, is do a bit of shopping on a Sunday, and you live in Brighton, it is actually cheaper to drive to Crawley and park in the Mall car park, rather than go to Churchill Square and park there.
How Green is that, then?
If all you want to do, as a family, is do a bit of shopping on a Sunday, and you live in Brighton, it is actually cheaper to drive to Crawley and park in the Mall car park, rather than go to Churchill Square and park there. How Green is that, then? Ballroom Blitz
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9:47am Tue 10 Apr 12

deve says...

Greens are a total disgrace - democracy in action - not ! However I would like to see a statement from the Conservative and Labour councilors’ about parking charges and policy. It is obvious a change is needed. What will they do to keep traffic flowing, attract visitors to the town, reduce pollution and congestion.

Few ideas, remove cycle paths, widen roads, reduce parking fees, increase number of parking spaces, remove the jutting out bus stops, remove the new road narrowing pavements, add a park and ride and get some positive PR out there internationally - shout out that Brighton is open and positive about visitors having a good experience in Brighton rather than the dread they feel as they enter the town and the anger as they leave - maybe never to return.
Greens are a total disgrace - democracy in action - not ! However I would like to see a statement from the Conservative and Labour councilors’ about parking charges and policy. It is obvious a change is needed. What will they do to keep traffic flowing, attract visitors to the town, reduce pollution and congestion. Few ideas, remove cycle paths, widen roads, reduce parking fees, increase number of parking spaces, remove the jutting out bus stops, remove the new road narrowing pavements, add a park and ride and get some positive PR out there internationally - shout out that Brighton is open and positive about visitors having a good experience in Brighton rather than the dread they feel as they enter the town and the anger as they leave - maybe never to return. deve
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12:27pm Tue 10 Apr 12

Kate234 says...

I feel very sorry for the residents of Hanover and Portslade. I have many tourists staying with me and I have set up a private park and ride scheme just for my guests in which they are directed to leave their cars in these areas as they are non-permit areas at the moment. These areas are not exactly easy to park in at the moment. This policy will start costing these residents dearly soon when in six months they need perking permits.
I feel very sorry for the residents of Hanover and Portslade. I have many tourists staying with me and I have set up a private park and ride scheme just for my guests in which they are directed to leave their cars in these areas as they are non-permit areas at the moment. These areas are not exactly easy to park in at the moment. This policy will start costing these residents dearly soon when in six months they need perking permits. Kate234
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1:56pm Tue 10 Apr 12

graham_Seagull says...

deve wrote:
Greens are a total disgrace - democracy in action - not ! However I would like to see a statement from the Conservative and Labour councilors’ about parking charges and policy. It is obvious a change is needed. What will they do to keep traffic flowing, attract visitors to the town, reduce pollution and congestion.

Few ideas, remove cycle paths, widen roads, reduce parking fees, increase number of parking spaces, remove the jutting out bus stops, remove the new road narrowing pavements, add a park and ride and get some positive PR out there internationally - shout out that Brighton is open and positive about visitors having a good experience in Brighton rather than the dread they feel as they enter the town and the anger as they leave - maybe never to return.
oh dear. There are too many cars, and cars cause pollution, so how can you have a significant reduction in congestion AND pollution hand in hand?
If you remove the build outs, the vehicles simply stop at the next traffic lights and wait, or the next junction and wait.
[quote][p][bold]deve[/bold] wrote: Greens are a total disgrace - democracy in action - not ! However I would like to see a statement from the Conservative and Labour councilors’ about parking charges and policy. It is obvious a change is needed. What will they do to keep traffic flowing, attract visitors to the town, reduce pollution and congestion. Few ideas, remove cycle paths, widen roads, reduce parking fees, increase number of parking spaces, remove the jutting out bus stops, remove the new road narrowing pavements, add a park and ride and get some positive PR out there internationally - shout out that Brighton is open and positive about visitors having a good experience in Brighton rather than the dread they feel as they enter the town and the anger as they leave - maybe never to return.[/p][/quote]oh dear. There are too many cars, and cars cause pollution, so how can you have a significant reduction in congestion AND pollution hand in hand? If you remove the build outs, the vehicles simply stop at the next traffic lights and wait, or the next junction and wait. graham_Seagull
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3:03pm Tue 10 Apr 12

gwennieB says...

Soon, Brighton will be home to squatters, travellers, rats and decay. Well done Brighton Council, well done!
Soon, Brighton will be home to squatters, travellers, rats and decay. Well done Brighton Council, well done! gwennieB
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3:33pm Tue 10 Apr 12

tom servo says...

gwennieB wrote:
Soon, Brighton will be home to squatters, travellers, rats and decay. Well done Brighton Council, well done!
It's not the Council you should be moaning at, it's the administration (The Green Party).
The council was here before the Greens took power and they will still be here long after they have left. It's the administration who set the agenda the council (staff) then carry out. The council employees do not have a choice.... their job is to fulfil the agenda of the party that Brighton and Hove residents voted into power. Want to blame someone? blame the people who thought that a green vote was a good idea. Many of them however will clearly not be making that mistake again.
[quote][p][bold]gwennieB[/bold] wrote: Soon, Brighton will be home to squatters, travellers, rats and decay. Well done Brighton Council, well done![/p][/quote]It's not the Council you should be moaning at, it's the administration (The Green Party). The council was here before the Greens took power and they will still be here long after they have left. It's the administration who set the agenda the council (staff) then carry out. The council employees do not have a choice.... their job is to fulfil the agenda of the party that Brighton and Hove residents voted into power. Want to blame someone? blame the people who thought that a green vote was a good idea. Many of them however will clearly not be making that mistake again. tom servo
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12:13pm Wed 11 Apr 12

Joshiman says...

I have a friend who lives in City point Brighton.He applied for a parking permit and was told no.No permits for this development.Now a major problem as he needs a car for work.Has to rent a space somewhere in Hove,then get a bus to the station and then walk .Something wrong here.I suggested he contacts the EU and sue the Council.
I have a friend who lives in City point Brighton.He applied for a parking permit and was told no.No permits for this development.Now a major problem as he needs a car for work.Has to rent a space somewhere in Hove,then get a bus to the station and then walk .Something wrong here.I suggested he contacts the EU and sue the Council. Joshiman
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12:54pm Wed 11 Apr 12

tom servo says...

Joshiman wrote:
I have a friend who lives in City point Brighton.He applied for a parking permit and was told no.No permits for this development.Now a major problem as he needs a car for work.Has to rent a space somewhere in Hove,then get a bus to the station and then walk .Something wrong here.I suggested he contacts the EU and sue the Council.
Sounds like a car free development. It will be in his house documents..... maybe he should have actually read them before buying the flat.
[quote][p][bold]Joshiman[/bold] wrote: I have a friend who lives in City point Brighton.He applied for a parking permit and was told no.No permits for this development.Now a major problem as he needs a car for work.Has to rent a space somewhere in Hove,then get a bus to the station and then walk .Something wrong here.I suggested he contacts the EU and sue the Council.[/p][/quote]Sounds like a car free development. It will be in his house documents..... maybe he should have actually read them before buying the flat. tom servo
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2:25pm Wed 11 Apr 12

petegh says...

This hike is a disgrace for people who live on the seafront. Often there are not enough residents' spaces available and people have to park on the seafront. Now, it costs £3.50 an hour up to 8pm – and that is after you have paid for the residents' permit, too
This hike is a disgrace for people who live on the seafront. Often there are not enough residents' spaces available and people have to park on the seafront. Now, it costs £3.50 an hour up to 8pm – and that is after you have paid for the residents' permit, too petegh
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6:42pm Wed 11 Apr 12

chrispop says...

Brighton is my favourite seaside destination. I generally visit twice a year, a round trip of 140 miles. To maximise the value of the trip to myself, I need to park as close to the seafront as is reasonable.
I buy lunch and dinner for two, ride the Volks railway, eat ice creams on the pier, and wander around the Lanes trying not to spend too much.
There is no way I will be coming again if it is going to cost me £20 to park! Nice as it is, Brighton is not the only south coast resort...
Brighton is my favourite seaside destination. I generally visit twice a year, a round trip of 140 miles. To maximise the value of the trip to myself, I need to park as close to the seafront as is reasonable. I buy lunch and dinner for two, ride the Volks railway, eat ice creams on the pier, and wander around the Lanes trying not to spend too much. There is no way I will be coming again if it is going to cost me £20 to park! Nice as it is, Brighton is not the only south coast resort... chrispop
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6:53pm Wed 11 Apr 12

sasquatch2202 says...

I think you're the first of many mate. Unless money is no object, its just too much for the average family who would rather spend their money on shopping, attractions,food and treating the kids etc, not the greedy greens pathetic agenda of saving the planet! Roll on the elections
I think you're the first of many mate. Unless money is no object, its just too much for the average family who would rather spend their money on shopping, attractions,food and treating the kids etc, not the greedy greens pathetic agenda of saving the planet! Roll on the elections sasquatch2202
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7:02pm Wed 11 Apr 12

sasquatch2202 says...

I think you're the first of many mate. Unless money is no object, its just too much for the average family who would rather spend their money on shopping, attractions,food and treating the kids etc, not the greedy greens pathetic agenda of saving the planet! Roll on the elections
I think you're the first of many mate. Unless money is no object, its just too much for the average family who would rather spend their money on shopping, attractions,food and treating the kids etc, not the greedy greens pathetic agenda of saving the planet! Roll on the elections sasquatch2202
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7:17pm Wed 11 Apr 12

petegh says...

chrispop wrote:
Brighton is my favourite seaside destination. I generally visit twice a year, a round trip of 140 miles. To maximise the value of the trip to myself, I need to park as close to the seafront as is reasonable.
I buy lunch and dinner for two, ride the Volks railway, eat ice creams on the pier, and wander around the Lanes trying not to spend too much.
There is no way I will be coming again if it is going to cost me £20 to park! Nice as it is, Brighton is not the only south coast resort...
I live on the seafront and have seen many tourists shaking their heads and moving quickly away. The road has been empty all day. Unheard of! No one will come for a day trip at such high costs.
[quote][p][bold]chrispop[/bold] wrote: Brighton is my favourite seaside destination. I generally visit twice a year, a round trip of 140 miles. To maximise the value of the trip to myself, I need to park as close to the seafront as is reasonable. I buy lunch and dinner for two, ride the Volks railway, eat ice creams on the pier, and wander around the Lanes trying not to spend too much. There is no way I will be coming again if it is going to cost me £20 to park! Nice as it is, Brighton is not the only south coast resort...[/p][/quote]I live on the seafront and have seen many tourists shaking their heads and moving quickly away. The road has been empty all day. Unheard of! No one will come for a day trip at such high costs. petegh
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7:51pm Wed 11 Apr 12

Brockstreet says...

We have visited Brighton maybe twenty times a year, for as long as we can remember. We always park on Madeira Drive, it's a nice place to park, nice walk into town, spend money in the shops and cafes. But no more, £10 to park for two hours, you must be joking. We will give Hastings a go, up and coming town and park all day on the front for £3.
We have visited Brighton maybe twenty times a year, for as long as we can remember. We always park on Madeira Drive, it's a nice place to park, nice walk into town, spend money in the shops and cafes. But no more, £10 to park for two hours, you must be joking. We will give Hastings a go, up and coming town and park all day on the front for £3. Brockstreet
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