Could Brighton and Hove buses get their own 'tube map'?

BRIGHTON TRAVEL MAP? This tongue-in-cheek Brighton version of the London Underground map was created by Brighton artist Sean Sims - but could a real bus version ever become a reality?

BRIGHTON TRAVEL MAP? This tongue-in-cheek Brighton version of the London Underground map was created by Brighton artist Sean Sims - but could a real bus version ever become a reality?

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Is Brighton and Hove ready for a “London Tube” style bus map?

The call for one was made after figures showed less than 1% of shelters in the city had a network-wide plan.

But Brighton and Hove Bus Company , which operates the majority of services in the city, said there was limited space on the structures and passengers preferred other information rather than details on every route.

The figure was revealed in a letter to Hove MP Mike Weatherley who said he had been contacted by constituents who were unsure which bus ran where.

Mr Weatherley said: “The London Tube map is an iconic image that manages to display a large amount of information in a simple and concise way.

“While Brighton and Hove has a relatively small transport network in comparison to London it is far more difficult to navigate.

“This lack of clarity is something which is easily witnessed when passengers are forced to quiz bus drivers for the bus route, which delays journeys of those onboard.

“I would also imagine the lack of available information at bus stops is a problem that is compounded for a large number of visitors who do not know the geography of the city as well as us.”

Figures provided by Brighton and Hove Bus Company show there are 1,184 bus stops in the city and 456 have a shelter.

However, only eight of them – or 0.68% – have enough space on the bus shelters for network-wide maps to be displayed.

In reply to Mr Weatherley, Brighton and Hove Bus and Coach Company boss Roger French said he felt it could be beneficial to install full maps in areas of high footfall, such as Hove Town Hall and London Road.

Mr French added: “The research we have undertaken with our customers indicates the top priorities for information displays at bus stops are firstly real time information, secondly bus times, thirdly details of ticket prices, fourthly a route map for services passing the stop and fifthly a network map.

“Most of the bus stops are funded with a bus shelter funded by Clear Channel under a contract with Brighton and Hove City Council .

“These contain one panel which we use to the full to cover the aforementioned priorities.

“I don’t think it would make sense to install a network wide map more extensively at bus stops as we already distribute the map in both Bus Times and our separate pocket sized route map.”

Mr French added a number of people were also increasingly using websites and mobile phones to access the information.

The Clear Channel contract will be under review in 2014.

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10:45am Mon 13 Aug 12

caeos says...

I almost sense a petition, campaign or house notion to make maps a requirement on all bus shelters. (where installed) perhaps he could ask that nice MP for transport based in Lewes who got the Lewes bus station re opened just so buses didn't run past his offices
Lets see the situation, people who need to get to a main point across the city are told to get either the 2,5 or7 these go to possibly every major point you can think of.

Failing that you see the people at the station, Churchill square or heavens forbid (unlike London as we are not there - this is B&H ) ask the bus driver or someone else at the bus stop!
I almost sense a petition, campaign or house notion to make maps a requirement on all bus shelters. (where installed) perhaps he could ask that nice MP for transport based in Lewes who got the Lewes bus station re opened just so buses didn't run past his offices Lets see the situation, people who need to get to a main point across the city are told to get either the 2,5 or7 these go to possibly every major point you can think of. Failing that you see the people at the station, Churchill square or heavens forbid (unlike London as we are not there - this is B&H ) ask the bus driver or someone else at the bus stop! caeos
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10:58am Mon 13 Aug 12

davyboy says...

this is a good idea, and would help non-locals see where the buses go, and where the best connections are. so many cannot get to grips with some of the information provided, and some drivers are reluctant to help. the tube map is easy to follow, with colour coded routes, and the bus map could be too. drivers need to be forthcoming with information, instead of just saying 'don't know', as i have witnessed some doing. it is a public service industry, and if you don't like the public, you shouldn't be in it.
this is a good idea, and would help non-locals see where the buses go, and where the best connections are. so many cannot get to grips with some of the information provided, and some drivers are reluctant to help. the tube map is easy to follow, with colour coded routes, and the bus map could be too. drivers need to be forthcoming with information, instead of just saying 'don't know', as i have witnessed some doing. it is a public service industry, and if you don't like the public, you shouldn't be in it. davyboy
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11:14am Mon 13 Aug 12

biker brighton says...

yes please make my bus trips faster
sometimes spend so long at stops while drivers trying to tell people what bus to get i seen sometimes several ask same question
yes please make my bus trips faster sometimes spend so long at stops while drivers trying to tell people what bus to get i seen sometimes several ask same question biker brighton
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11:15am Mon 13 Aug 12

chrisinbrighton says...

caeos
the 1st thing to find out at a bustop if theres someone who speaks English
Lol
caeos the 1st thing to find out at a bustop if theres someone who speaks English Lol chrisinbrighton
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11:19am Mon 13 Aug 12

Man With No Name says...

"Passengers prefer other information" like advertising?
"Passengers prefer other information" like advertising? Man With No Name
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11:27am Mon 13 Aug 12

FixMyTransport says...

Exceptionally good idea. I'm local to Brighton and I still don't know where every single bus route goes, especially when travelling to parts of the city I don't normally go to. The network maps they have on the (tiny number of) shelters at the moment are useless anyway - they're too small to read.

I'd like to see one more idea adopted from the Tube - the maps inside the carriages which show every stop on a line, so you know exactly when to get off and how many more stops it is.
Exceptionally good idea. I'm local to Brighton and I still don't know where every single bus route goes, especially when travelling to parts of the city I don't normally go to. The network maps they have on the (tiny number of) shelters at the moment are useless anyway - they're too small to read. I'd like to see one more idea adopted from the Tube - the maps inside the carriages which show every stop on a line, so you know exactly when to get off and how many more stops it is. FixMyTransport
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11:29am Mon 13 Aug 12

Hove Actually says...

This is not news or new as they have already produced a underground style map some years ago when they started to colour scheme the buses on different routes.

Sloooooooooow news day now the sport has finished
This is not news or new as they have already produced a underground style map some years ago when they started to colour scheme the buses on different routes. Sloooooooooow news day now the sport has finished Hove Actually
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11:31am Mon 13 Aug 12

rolivan says...

We can supposedly send man to the moon but not produce the technology to have maps at bus stops interacting with advertising come on now who is kidding who?Most of the Main bus stops have Electronic time of Arrivals or due so some of the technology is already there.
We can supposedly send man to the moon but not produce the technology to have maps at bus stops interacting with advertising come on now who is kidding who?Most of the Main bus stops have Electronic time of Arrivals or due so some of the technology is already there. rolivan
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11:33am Mon 13 Aug 12

rolivan says...

rolivan wrote:
We can supposedly send man to the moon but not produce the technology to have maps at bus stops interacting with advertising come on now who is kidding who?Most of the Main bus stops have Electronic time of Arrivals or due so some of the technology is already there.
I should have added like on the trains.
[quote][p][bold]rolivan[/bold] wrote: We can supposedly send man to the moon but not produce the technology to have maps at bus stops interacting with advertising come on now who is kidding who?Most of the Main bus stops have Electronic time of Arrivals or due so some of the technology is already there.[/p][/quote]I should have added like on the trains. rolivan
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11:43am Mon 13 Aug 12

caeos says...

Just another thought, how about the "via" boards on all buses.
Portslade station via old steine, churchill, freds house, the coop, the old bingo hall

you get my drift. Stagecoach can do it.
Just another thought, how about the "via" boards on all buses. Portslade station via old steine, churchill, freds house, the coop, the old bingo hall you get my drift. Stagecoach can do it. caeos
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1:02pm Mon 13 Aug 12

Wendywoodlandh says...

What about in London they have ticket machine ,s + oyster card,s so the drive never needs to deal with money just drive stop &pick up ???
What about in London they have ticket machine ,s + oyster card,s so the drive never needs to deal with money just drive stop &pick up ??? Wendywoodlandh
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5:04pm Mon 13 Aug 12

Bristol VR says...

You can print as many maps as you like and stick them all over the bus stop and the bus in glorious technicolour but it would be a complete waste of time in my view. You will still end up with people asking if the bus they are getting on is the right one or even where it is going if they don't know or aren't sure despite the destination in big letters on the front. Yes a map might help a bit but I don't consider it a priority in Brighton & Hove. I do think the post above about ticket machines & cashless buses is an excellent idea though. It is also safer for the bus driver who isn't likely to get mugged for the cash he or she holds. We have recently seen the introduction of the "Key" card in Brighton but you have to regidter it on the website which is a bit of a cumbersome deterrant for anyone wanting a quick ticket. What is needed and hopefully it won't be too long before it happens is a a "pay as you go" keycard which you can buy and top up at newsagents as with London's Oyster card system. Far easier to use and gets the buses running rather than waiting at bus stops.
You can print as many maps as you like and stick them all over the bus stop and the bus in glorious technicolour but it would be a complete waste of time in my view. You will still end up with people asking if the bus they are getting on is the right one or even where it is going if they don't know or aren't sure despite the destination in big letters on the front. Yes a map might help a bit but I don't consider it a priority in Brighton & Hove. I do think the post above about ticket machines & cashless buses is an excellent idea though. It is also safer for the bus driver who isn't likely to get mugged for the cash he or she holds. We have recently seen the introduction of the "Key" card in Brighton but you have to regidter it on the website which is a bit of a cumbersome deterrant for anyone wanting a quick ticket. What is needed and hopefully it won't be too long before it happens is a a "pay as you go" keycard which you can buy and top up at newsagents as with London's Oyster card system. Far easier to use and gets the buses running rather than waiting at bus stops. Bristol VR
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6:48pm Mon 13 Aug 12

Roundbill says...

Wendywoodlandh wrote:
What about in London they have ticket machine ,s + oyster card,s so the drive never needs to deal with money just drive stop &pick up ???
That's such a good idea. They should introduce a little plastic card, to which you could add credit either via the internet or in travel shops, and then just scan it when you get on a bus. If it was cheaper to buy in advance, people would definitely use it. They could even have different coloured ones for schoolchildren and pensioners, to reduce fraudulent use. It would be the key to much quicker and more convenient travel across the city and beyond ... in fact, that's a great name - The Key!
I'm going to get in my time machine and nip back to 2009, so I can suggest it to B&H Buses.

Oh, wait...
[quote][p][bold]Wendywoodlandh[/bold] wrote: What about in London they have ticket machine ,s + oyster card,s so the drive never needs to deal with money just drive stop &pick up ???[/p][/quote]That's such a good idea. They should introduce a little plastic card, to which you could add credit either via the internet or in travel shops, and then just scan it when you get on a bus. If it was cheaper to buy in advance, people would definitely use it. They could even have different coloured ones for schoolchildren and pensioners, to reduce fraudulent use. It would be the key to much quicker and more convenient travel across the city and beyond ... in fact, that's a great name - The Key! I'm going to get in my time machine and nip back to 2009, so I can suggest it to B&H Buses. Oh, wait... Roundbill
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7:51pm Mon 13 Aug 12

Bristol VR says...

Roundbill wrote:
Wendywoodlandh wrote:
What about in London they have ticket machine ,s + oyster card,s so the drive never needs to deal with money just drive stop &pick up ???
That's such a good idea. They should introduce a little plastic card, to which you could add credit either via the internet or in travel shops, and then just scan it when you get on a bus. If it was cheaper to buy in advance, people would definitely use it. They could even have different coloured ones for schoolchildren and pensioners, to reduce fraudulent use. It would be the key to much quicker and more convenient travel across the city and beyond ... in fact, that's a great name - The Key!
I'm going to get in my time machine and nip back to 2009, so I can suggest it to B&H Buses.

Oh, wait...
I think you will find that the poster was referring to pay as you go cards which as yet are not available in Brighton & Hove. you have to order the card over the internet whereas the Oyster card you can buy from shops & tube stations. Whilst sarcasm may seem clever to the person writing it, rarely does it show any intelligence and even less wit!
[quote][p][bold]Roundbill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wendywoodlandh[/bold] wrote: What about in London they have ticket machine ,s + oyster card,s so the drive never needs to deal with money just drive stop &pick up ???[/p][/quote]That's such a good idea. They should introduce a little plastic card, to which you could add credit either via the internet or in travel shops, and then just scan it when you get on a bus. If it was cheaper to buy in advance, people would definitely use it. They could even have different coloured ones for schoolchildren and pensioners, to reduce fraudulent use. It would be the key to much quicker and more convenient travel across the city and beyond ... in fact, that's a great name - The Key! I'm going to get in my time machine and nip back to 2009, so I can suggest it to B&H Buses. Oh, wait...[/p][/quote]I think you will find that the poster was referring to pay as you go cards which as yet are not available in Brighton & Hove. you have to order the card over the internet whereas the Oyster card you can buy from shops & tube stations. Whilst sarcasm may seem clever to the person writing it, rarely does it show any intelligence and even less wit! Bristol VR
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8:44pm Mon 13 Aug 12

ghost bus driver says...

caeos wrote:
Just another thought, how about the "via" boards on all buses.
Portslade station via old steine, churchill, freds house, the coop, the old bingo hall

you get my drift. Stagecoach can do it.
The current destination boards won't do it apparently. Our unions asked Roger years ago and he said no as it would "confuse the public". What tosh. I'd be all for it.
[quote][p][bold]caeos[/bold] wrote: Just another thought, how about the "via" boards on all buses. Portslade station via old steine, churchill, freds house, the coop, the old bingo hall you get my drift. Stagecoach can do it.[/p][/quote]The current destination boards won't do it apparently. Our unions asked Roger years ago and he said no as it would "confuse the public". What tosh. I'd be all for it. ghost bus driver
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8:45pm Mon 13 Aug 12

ghost bus driver says...

One other thing I'd do would be to re-number the 5B, as it's different enough to the other 5s that it would be better. Perhaps make the 5 and 5A into a 4 and 5, with the 5B becoming a 3 or something. People would soon get used to it.
One other thing I'd do would be to re-number the 5B, as it's different enough to the other 5s that it would be better. Perhaps make the 5 and 5A into a 4 and 5, with the 5B becoming a 3 or something. People would soon get used to it. ghost bus driver
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8:48pm Mon 13 Aug 12

ghost bus driver says...

Bristol VR wrote:
You can print as many maps as you like and stick them all over the bus stop and the bus in glorious technicolour but it would be a complete waste of time in my view. You will still end up with people asking if the bus they are getting on is the right one or even where it is going if they don't know or aren't sure despite the destination in big letters on the front. Yes a map might help a bit but I don't consider it a priority in Brighton & Hove. I do think the post above about ticket machines & cashless buses is an excellent idea though. It is also safer for the bus driver who isn't likely to get mugged for the cash he or she holds. We have recently seen the introduction of the "Key" card in Brighton but you have to regidter it on the website which is a bit of a cumbersome deterrant for anyone wanting a quick ticket. What is needed and hopefully it won't be too long before it happens is a a "pay as you go" keycard which you can buy and top up at newsagents as with London's Oyster card system. Far easier to use and gets the buses running rather than waiting at bus stops.
The pay as you go key card is coming. I have already asked that one and they are developing it now. I think you'll probably start hearing things about that next year.
[quote][p][bold]Bristol VR[/bold] wrote: You can print as many maps as you like and stick them all over the bus stop and the bus in glorious technicolour but it would be a complete waste of time in my view. You will still end up with people asking if the bus they are getting on is the right one or even where it is going if they don't know or aren't sure despite the destination in big letters on the front. Yes a map might help a bit but I don't consider it a priority in Brighton & Hove. I do think the post above about ticket machines & cashless buses is an excellent idea though. It is also safer for the bus driver who isn't likely to get mugged for the cash he or she holds. We have recently seen the introduction of the "Key" card in Brighton but you have to regidter it on the website which is a bit of a cumbersome deterrant for anyone wanting a quick ticket. What is needed and hopefully it won't be too long before it happens is a a "pay as you go" keycard which you can buy and top up at newsagents as with London's Oyster card system. Far easier to use and gets the buses running rather than waiting at bus stops.[/p][/quote]The pay as you go key card is coming. I have already asked that one and they are developing it now. I think you'll probably start hearing things about that next year. ghost bus driver
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10:16pm Mon 13 Aug 12

Bristol VR says...

That's good news indeed.. all we need now are TFL type ticket machines at bus stops to do away with the annoying people who hail down a bus then suddenly realise they meed money to pay for the fare and fumble through their purse or wallet for what seems like 10 minutes looking for money while we all sit waiting on a now delayed bus for their fare to be paid!
That's good news indeed.. all we need now are TFL type ticket machines at bus stops to do away with the annoying people who hail down a bus then suddenly realise they meed money to pay for the fare and fumble through their purse or wallet for what seems like 10 minutes looking for money while we all sit waiting on a now delayed bus for their fare to be paid! Bristol VR
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10:51pm Mon 13 Aug 12

ghost bus driver says...

Another thing that needs getting rid of is that awful external card reader. ERG say that it isn't compatible with the machine anyway so why not fit one of those yellow ones they have on the railway instead? At least people would stop putting the card on the display screen instead, meaning they have to keep re-scanning their card despite being told several times that they have to put it on "the green bit"/ Why not just do away with that and have just one place where you put it?
Another thing that needs getting rid of is that awful external card reader. ERG say that it isn't compatible with the machine anyway so why not fit one of those yellow ones they have on the railway instead? At least people would stop putting the card on the display screen instead, meaning they have to keep re-scanning their card despite being told several times that they have to put it on "the green bit"/ Why not just do away with that and have just one place where you put it? ghost bus driver
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11:55pm Mon 13 Aug 12

Roundbill says...

Bristol VR wrote:
Roundbill wrote:
Wendywoodlandh wrote:
What about in London they have ticket machine ,s + oyster card,s so the drive never needs to deal with money just drive stop &pick up ???
That's such a good idea. They should introduce a little plastic card, to which you could add credit either via the internet or in travel shops, and then just scan it when you get on a bus. If it was cheaper to buy in advance, people would definitely use it. They could even have different coloured ones for schoolchildren and pensioners, to reduce fraudulent use. It would be the key to much quicker and more convenient travel across the city and beyond ... in fact, that's a great name - The Key!
I'm going to get in my time machine and nip back to 2009, so I can suggest it to B&H Buses.

Oh, wait...
I think you will find that the poster was referring to pay as you go cards which as yet are not available in Brighton & Hove. you have to order the card over the internet whereas the Oyster card you can buy from shops & tube stations. Whilst sarcasm may seem clever to the person writing it, rarely does it show any intelligence and even less wit!
So like a Saver ticket then?
[quote][p][bold]Bristol VR[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Roundbill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wendywoodlandh[/bold] wrote: What about in London they have ticket machine ,s + oyster card,s so the drive never needs to deal with money just drive stop &pick up ???[/p][/quote]That's such a good idea. They should introduce a little plastic card, to which you could add credit either via the internet or in travel shops, and then just scan it when you get on a bus. If it was cheaper to buy in advance, people would definitely use it. They could even have different coloured ones for schoolchildren and pensioners, to reduce fraudulent use. It would be the key to much quicker and more convenient travel across the city and beyond ... in fact, that's a great name - The Key! I'm going to get in my time machine and nip back to 2009, so I can suggest it to B&H Buses. Oh, wait...[/p][/quote]I think you will find that the poster was referring to pay as you go cards which as yet are not available in Brighton & Hove. you have to order the card over the internet whereas the Oyster card you can buy from shops & tube stations. Whilst sarcasm may seem clever to the person writing it, rarely does it show any intelligence and even less wit![/p][/quote]So like a Saver ticket then? Roundbill
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12:00am Tue 14 Aug 12

ghost bus driver says...

No it's got to be multi operator, so more like an Explorer ticket.
B&H do accept Compass travel's Saver tickets but that's part of an arrangement between the two companies and nothing to do with the council.
No it's got to be multi operator, so more like an Explorer ticket. B&H do accept Compass travel's Saver tickets but that's part of an arrangement between the two companies and nothing to do with the council. ghost bus driver
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9:54am Tue 14 Aug 12

caeos says...

ghost bus driver wrote:
caeos wrote:
Just another thought, how about the "via" boards on all buses.
Portslade station via old steine, churchill, freds house, the coop, the old bingo hall

you get my drift. Stagecoach can do it.
The current destination boards won't do it apparently. Our unions asked Roger years ago and he said no as it would "confuse the public". What tosh. I'd be all for it.
But they have scrolling
23 VIA queens park
N25 - special fares apply
13x - tourist trainl
5 - via mill view
(ex) 46 - via stoney lane
etc
so yes, possible and needed
[quote][p][bold]ghost bus driver[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]caeos[/bold] wrote: Just another thought, how about the "via" boards on all buses. Portslade station via old steine, churchill, freds house, the coop, the old bingo hall you get my drift. Stagecoach can do it.[/p][/quote]The current destination boards won't do it apparently. Our unions asked Roger years ago and he said no as it would "confuse the public". What tosh. I'd be all for it.[/p][/quote]But they have scrolling 23 VIA queens park N25 - special fares apply 13x - tourist trainl 5 - via mill view (ex) 46 - via stoney lane etc so yes, possible and needed caeos
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9:56am Tue 14 Aug 12

caeos says...

in addition mr French, a passenger has requested it, so under your policy of doing things at the request of one passenger, install it in all your buses now.
in addition mr French, a passenger has requested it, so under your policy of doing things at the request of one passenger, install it in all your buses now. caeos
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12:31pm Tue 14 Aug 12

ghost bus driver says...

caeos wrote:
ghost bus driver wrote:
caeos wrote:
Just another thought, how about the "via" boards on all buses.
Portslade station via old steine, churchill, freds house, the coop, the old bingo hall

you get my drift. Stagecoach can do it.
The current destination boards won't do it apparently. Our unions asked Roger years ago and he said no as it would "confuse the public". What tosh. I'd be all for it.
But they have scrolling
23 VIA queens park
N25 - special fares apply
13x - tourist trainl
5 - via mill view
(ex) 46 - via stoney lane
etc
so yes, possible and needed
That's not really scrolling it just has two or three still blocks of text at a set time for each one (or is that what you meant?)

Stagecoach have ones that can not only scroll along on one screen but can also be reset from the ticket machine too.
[quote][p][bold]caeos[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghost bus driver[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]caeos[/bold] wrote: Just another thought, how about the "via" boards on all buses. Portslade station via old steine, churchill, freds house, the coop, the old bingo hall you get my drift. Stagecoach can do it.[/p][/quote]The current destination boards won't do it apparently. Our unions asked Roger years ago and he said no as it would "confuse the public". What tosh. I'd be all for it.[/p][/quote]But they have scrolling 23 VIA queens park N25 - special fares apply 13x - tourist trainl 5 - via mill view (ex) 46 - via stoney lane etc so yes, possible and needed[/p][/quote]That's not really scrolling it just has two or three still blocks of text at a set time for each one (or is that what you meant?) Stagecoach have ones that can not only scroll along on one screen but can also be reset from the ticket machine too. ghost bus driver
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