Conservatives choose 18-year-old for East Brighton by-election (From The Argus)

Just a shame he has got his politics wrong

Not another young inspiring hooray Henry trying to get in on the fiddle like the rest of the tory party

Oh dear. What normal 18 year old would want to do this?

He must be a freak. Don't let him near the controls.

From: Chris Cooke

To: Gill Mitchell

Cc:

Sent: Wednesday, 12 September 2012

Subject: East Brighton by-election & “selection” process

Dear Gill

With regards to the “summing up” after my panel interview on Monday night it was evidently clear that you had decided not to shortlist me prior to the interview taking place.

I wish you had been polite enough to ring beforehand instead of have me waste my time in travelling across town to what was in fact a kangaroo court.

Your summation was in fact cruel, crude and very rude.

I’m not going to bother debating with you about the several concerns you raised, suffice to say I found them risible.

In particular as regards the 2011 Queen’s Park election where of the 13 councillors you have in the Labour group, my vote exceeded each one of them bar only yourself and Brian Fitch.

It is said that you want to surround yourself with a coterie of “yes people”, and I refuse to be part of that.

I will remain outspoken and retain my independent streak, and criticism will be made, when warranted, of Labour councillors and policies.

Indeed, my role as a prominent community activist will continue and I will continue to work with both the Greens and the Tories, without having my hands tied.

With only three candidates there was no need for you to engineer a shortlist.

You should have allowed the East Brighton members to choose from amongst all candidates rather than personally handpick your preferred candidates prior to your members vote on Thursday. It’s called democracy.

As leader of the Labour group you should be strong enough to field even those candidates that have their own voice.

You need to avoid the short sightedness of selecting your “newest best friend” from an Executive Committee primarily concerned with feathering their own nests.

I seem to recall how ill-fated it was when Caligula tried to appoint his favourite horse as a consul of Rome.

As for myself, I will not be supporting the Labour Party in the near future, as what I have witnessed recently is both underhand and quite disgraceful.

If this in 2012 is the state of the party in this city, then I am not sure I want to play any part of it.

Regards

Chris Cooke

last comment is a real e-mail to labour grp leader Gill Mitchell...shows the tories are the only real party that put forward the keen and not the loaded candidates on the yes list

It's a Labour safe seat, I assume to Tories put the youngster in to give him some experience.

PETE OF QUEENS PARK wrote:
Not another young inspiring hooray Henry trying to get in on the fiddle like the rest of the tory party

I'm not a Tory, but unless you know the lad, and that the rest of the Tory party are 'on the fiddle' you might wish to consider the substance of posts you place on a public forum..

Good for you Chris I only hope we get a response from Gill Mitchell and also hope the Argus follows this up.
My concerns with regard to Joe Miller are that will He have the time to commit if He is going to undertake a law degree;

a) His politics are not wrong just because they don't accord with your own.
b) What evidence is there to doubt his integrity?
c) Despite his lack of experience, I'm sure his feet are more firmly on the ground than any of the Green councillors.

PETE OF QUEENS PARK wrote:
Not another young inspiring hooray Henry trying to get in on the fiddle like the rest of the tory party

With all the talk of tracking trolls, are you sure you want to be making statements about people and claiming others are on the "fiddle"

matlock wrote:
a) His politics are not wrong just because they don't accord with your own.
b) What evidence is there to doubt his integrity?
c) Despite his lack of experience, I'm sure his feet are more firmly on the ground than any of the Green councillors.

Regarding c) - Read, because Green Party politics are wrong because they don't accord with your own.

It's nice to see young people interested in politics and look at Hague.

I was in Australia during their last national election and they had a young 'Tory' get elected to parliament at 20. All be the incumbent Labor candidate made a huge gaff and it really helped the young lad.

This country has been at the hands of career politicians like this lad for far too long.
When did any of them have a proper job?

oknotko wrote:

matlock wrote:
a) His politics are not wrong just because they don't accord with your own.
b) What evidence is there to doubt his integrity?
c) Despite his lack of experience, I'm sure his feet are more firmly on the ground than any of the Green councillors.

Regarding c) - Read, because Green Party politics are wrong because they don't accord with your own.

It's nice to see young people interested in politics and look at Hague.

I was in Australia during their last national election and they had a young 'Tory' get elected to parliament at 20. All be the incumbent Labor candidate made a huge gaff and it really helped the young lad.

Regarding (c), fair comment!

Joe Miller seems to be a sensible young man who has already grown up at 18, and make a commitment to be involved with a sensible political party.
A refreshing change from those of his age who think the world owes them a living and go through life protesting, squatting, and trying to force their warped ideaology on normal people; until they finally grow up later in life and settle down to a normal existence- and probably vote Tory.

Gill Mitchell, errrm yes Bassams puppet picking those he chooses Chris, it's his feet you need to be licking.

he wont be getting my vote that’s for shore, Cameron's bad anoth and duo to what he’s dun to this county with his benefit cuts and ill treatment of people in need I cant see many votes for conservatives so this 18 y/o better find a new pipe dream

Old Ale Man wrote:
Gill Mitchell, errrm yes Bassams puppet picking those he chooses Chris, it's his feet you need to be licking.

Lord Bassam is sounding like a clanging symbol with his twitter rants at the moment. I do wonder how much influence he has at local level.

@The Baron Pepperpot

The Tory party are not on the fiddle pardon me to bring you into the 21st century but not so long ago in the news most Tory’s where making outrageous clams on second homes ET but all party’s be they Tory, Labor, Libdem or Green are on the fiddle why ells would you be a part of a political party but to rape the system and the people that elect you, do any of them truthfully care about the ordinary public.

@Sussex jim - (Joe Miller seems to be a sensible young man who has already grown up at 18, and make a commitment to be involved with a sensible political party) you could say that for Hitler’s young after all Cameron is Hitler in diocese so he must be a little Hitler in the making.

When he realises he represents everybody in the ward not just the young he might stand a chance of getting elected.

Tubalcain wrote:
From: Chris Cooke To: Gill Mitchell Cc: Sent: Wednesday, 12 September 2012 Subject: East Brighton by-election & “selection” process Dear Gill With regards to the “summing up” after my panel interview on Monday night it was evidently clear that you had decided not to shortlist me prior to the interview taking place. I wish you had been polite enough to ring beforehand instead of have me waste my time in travelling across town to what was in fact a kangaroo court. Your summation was in fact cruel, crude and very rude. I’m not going to bother debating with you about the several concerns you raised, suffice to say I found them risible. In particular as regards the 2011 Queen’s Park election where of the 13 councillors you have in the Labour group, my vote exceeded each one of them bar only yourself and Brian Fitch. It is said that you want to surround yourself with a coterie of “yes people”, and I refuse to be part of that. I will remain outspoken and retain my independent streak, and criticism will be made, when warranted, of Labour councillors and policies. Indeed, my role as a prominent community activist will continue and I will continue to work with both the Greens and the Tories, without having my hands tied. With only three candidates there was no need for you to engineer a shortlist. You should have allowed the East Brighton members to choose from amongst all candidates rather than personally handpick your preferred candidates prior to your members vote on Thursday. It’s called democracy. As leader of the Labour group you should be strong enough to field even those candidates that have their own voice. You need to avoid the short sightedness of selecting your “newest best friend” from an Executive Committee primarily concerned with feathering their own nests. I seem to recall how ill-fated it was when Caligula tried to appoint his favourite horse as a consul of Rome. As for myself, I will not be supporting the Labour Party in the near future, as what I have witnessed recently is both underhand and quite disgraceful. If this in 2012 is the state of the party in this city, then I am not sure I want to play any part of it. Regards Chris Cooke

This open letter was posted twice as a comment behind a Brighton Politics Blog post and again after a subsequent post.

It's obsessive appearance here is the 4th time I have seen it now. Comic!

Political hara kiri, Chris!

It seems entirely sensible to me that a young person should want to be involved in his/her community as a volunteer. That is what being a councillor is all about and was always the case.

Well done Joe for having the intelligence to want to help in his community and have a voice, as well as getting on with his studies. There are not enough young people out there who are bothered about what is going on around them as they tend to be more self-centred.

Councillors are paid an allowance because it is not meant to be a full time occupation. I'm sure Joe will have plenty of time to get on with his own life as well as helping in his community.

It is important to have a cross section of councillors of all ages and from all walks of life.

Valerie Paynter wrote:

Tubalcain wrote:
From: Chris Cooke To: Gill Mitchell Cc: Sent: Wednesday, 12 September 2012 Subject: East Brighton by-election & “selection” process Dear Gill With regards to the “summing up” after my panel interview on Monday night it was evidently clear that you had decided not to shortlist me prior to the interview taking place. I wish you had been polite enough to ring beforehand instead of have me waste my time in travelling across town to what was in fact a kangaroo court. Your summation was in fact cruel, crude and very rude. I’m not going to bother debating with you about the several concerns you raised, suffice to say I found them risible. In particular as regards the 2011 Queen’s Park election where of the 13 councillors you have in the Labour group, my vote exceeded each one of them bar only yourself and Brian Fitch. It is said that you want to surround yourself with a coterie of “yes people”, and I refuse to be part of that. I will remain outspoken and retain my independent streak, and criticism will be made, when warranted, of Labour councillors and policies. Indeed, my role as a prominent community activist will continue and I will continue to work with both the Greens and the Tories, without having my hands tied. With only three candidates there was no need for you to engineer a shortlist. You should have allowed the East Brighton members to choose from amongst all candidates rather than personally handpick your preferred candidates prior to your members vote on Thursday. It’s called democracy. As leader of the Labour group you should be strong enough to field even those candidates that have their own voice. You need to avoid the short sightedness of selecting your “newest best friend” from an Executive Committee primarily concerned with feathering their own nests. I seem to recall how ill-fated it was when Caligula tried to appoint his favourite horse as a consul of Rome. As for myself, I will not be supporting the Labour Party in the near future, as what I have witnessed recently is both underhand and quite disgraceful. If this in 2012 is the state of the party in this city, then I am not sure I want to play any part of it. Regards Chris Cooke

This open letter was posted twice as a comment behind a Brighton Politics Blog post and again after a subsequent post.

It's obsessive appearance here is the 4th time I have seen it now. Comic!

Political hara kiri, Chris!

Nothing like getting Your point across and nobody else has complained.

wippasnapper wrote:
@The Baron Pepperpot

The Tory party are not on the fiddle pardon me to bring you into the 21st century but not so long ago in the news most Tory’s where making outrageous clams on second homes ET but all party’s be they Tory, Labor, Libdem or Green are on the fiddle why ells would you be a part of a political party but to rape the system and the people that elect you, do any of them truthfully care about the ordinary public.

@Sussex jim - (Joe Miller seems to be a sensible young man who has already grown up at 18, and make a commitment to be involved with a sensible political party) you could say that for Hitler’s young after all Cameron is Hitler in diocese so he must be a little Hitler in the making.

Can someone translate this into English?

rolivan wrote:

Valerie Paynter wrote:

Tubalcain wrote:
From: Chris Cooke To: Gill Mitchell Cc: Sent: Wednesday, 12 September 2012 Subject: East Brighton by-election & “selection” process Dear Gill With regards to the “summing up” after my panel interview on Monday night it was evidently clear that you had decided not to shortlist me prior to the interview taking place. I wish you had been polite enough to ring beforehand instead of have me waste my time in travelling across town to what was in fact a kangaroo court. Your summation was in fact cruel, crude and very rude. I’m not going to bother debating with you about the several concerns you raised, suffice to say I found them risible. In particular as regards the 2011 Queen’s Park election where of the 13 councillors you have in the Labour group, my vote exceeded each one of them bar only yourself and Brian Fitch. It is said that you want to surround yourself with a coterie of “yes people”, and I refuse to be part of that. I will remain outspoken and retain my independent streak, and criticism will be made, when warranted, of Labour councillors and policies. Indeed, my role as a prominent community activist will continue and I will continue to work with both the Greens and the Tories, without having my hands tied. With only three candidates there was no need for you to engineer a shortlist. You should have allowed the East Brighton members to choose from amongst all candidates rather than personally handpick your preferred candidates prior to your members vote on Thursday. It’s called democracy. As leader of the Labour group you should be strong enough to field even those candidates that have their own voice. You need to avoid the short sightedness of selecting your “newest best friend” from an Executive Committee primarily concerned with feathering their own nests. I seem to recall how ill-fated it was when Caligula tried to appoint his favourite horse as a consul of Rome. As for myself, I will not be supporting the Labour Party in the near future, as what I have witnessed recently is both underhand and quite disgraceful. If this in 2012 is the state of the party in this city, then I am not sure I want to play any part of it. Regards Chris Cooke

This open letter was posted twice as a comment behind a Brighton Politics Blog post and again after a subsequent post.

It's obsessive appearance here is the 4th time I have seen it now. Comic!

Political hara kiri, Chris!

Nothing like getting Your point across and nobody else has complained.

Good point, and I don't think it was meant to be posted twice on BPB.

When I was a teenager, I was a young Tory through the selfishness and greed of my parents. I was blinkered by the arguments that lowering taxes gained prosperity and more jobs for all.

I campaigned on the doorstep for a cring society (naive that I was) and won votes for David Liddington on thast basis.

I soon realised what I was saying on the doorstep was not the same as he was saying.Tories in my experience are wannabes or actual rich or powerful and really don't care about those less fortunate unless it involves sacrificing themselves to unliveable wages boosting the wealth of a Tory member. I moved to the Greens for liberty and environmental and social justice.

I hope the young man soon learns what his party really wants, and support and equality for young people are certainly not it.

East Brighton? That's Whitehawk, isn't it? He's a sacrificial lamb! Who the bloody hell do they think is going to vote tory in Whitehawk?

he looks like.... robert eaton

Tory Boy!

Nice Butdim

My they become evil young these days don't they?

Let the people decide ,instead of there own yes men.We need people who can change politics from the corrupt system we have now to a system that puts people first .Back in the 70s councillers were volunteers ,the local shopkeepers train drivers etc did the job for nothing and it was for the benefit of the people not to make them rich at our expense.We should go back to that ,just give them a biscuit and a cup of tea for their meetings and a bus pass to get them there.

I don't know how justified, or not, Chris Cooke's strictures are; but he's wrong about one small thing: Caligula did not "try to make his horse a senator". The story may be apocryphal, anyway; but it was alleged that C had boasted that he could make even his horse a senator, if he chose. Whether he could have, of course, we'll never know, as he was cut off in his prime and replaced by Claudius in AD41.

lindi_lmf wrote:

wippasnapper wrote:
@The Baron Pepperpot

The Tory party are not on the fiddle pardon me to bring you into the 21st century but not so long ago in the news most Tory’s where making outrageous clams on second homes ET but all party’s be they Tory, Labor, Libdem or Green are on the fiddle why ells would you be a part of a political party but to rape the system and the people that elect you, do any of them truthfully care about the ordinary public.

@Sussex jim - (Joe Miller seems to be a sensible young man who has already grown up at 18, and make a commitment to be involved with a sensible political party) you could say that for Hitler’s young after all Cameron is Hitler in diocese so he must be a little Hitler in the making.

Can someone translate this into English?

My thoughts exactly. Too often what may have been an interesting, or pertinent, point gets lost in garbled English and non-sequiturs.

It's Labour's safest seat.

Should make a good Councillor at his age he hasnt done a days work in his life,just like the non jobs on the
council already.

He looks like a mini me caMORON - lol

I bet none of you that have commented here even know the poor kid!! Get a grip with your lifes. And if you care to know - (puddingandpi), East Brighton Park as i guess thats what your talking about by the term 'EastBrighton' is closer to Roedean than Whitehawk!!

Nice but Dim

The Baron Pepperpot wrote:

PETE OF QUEENS PARK wrote:
Not another young inspiring hooray Henry trying to get in on the fiddle like the rest of the tory party

I'm not a Tory, but unless you know the lad, and that the rest of the Tory party are 'on the fiddle' you might wish to consider the substance of posts you place on a public forum..

He's a potential MP. He may not be "on the fiddle" at the moment, but if he becomes an MP, now or after future elections, then it is a certainty he will be "on the fiddle". Did you take any notice of the expenses scandals a while back? Do you really trust any MP to be honest? The ones that were found out, some of whom were prosecuted as an appeasment to the masses, were just the tip of the iceberg. Every single one of them is as bent as a £3 note, even the ones who started out with good intentions.

greenpaws wrote:
When I was a teenager, I was a young Tory through the selfishness and greed of my parents. I was blinkered by the arguments that lowering taxes gained prosperity and more jobs for all.

I campaigned on the doorstep for a cring society (naive that I was) and won votes for David Liddington on thast basis.

I soon realised what I was saying on the doorstep was not the same as he was saying.Tories in my experience are wannabes or actual rich or powerful and really don't care about those less fortunate unless it involves sacrificing themselves to unliveable wages boosting the wealth of a Tory member. I moved to the Greens for liberty and environmental and social justice.

I hope the young man soon learns what his party really wants, and support and equality for young people are certainly not it.

I think you should take a long, hard look at what your joke of a party says it stands for, and what it really stands for, before criticising the hypocricy of other political parties.

pjwilk wrote:
Should make a good Councillor at his age he hasnt done a days work in his life,just like the non jobs on the council already.

One of the green concellors does old bean, so there, put that in your pipe and smoke it

Whitehawk hit by ten fires in night of arson.
Be careful Joe.

Valerie Paynter wrote:

Tubalcain wrote:
From: Chris Cooke To: Gill Mitchell Cc: Sent: Wednesday, 12 September 2012 Subject: East Brighton by-election & “selection” process Dear Gill With regards to the “summing up” after my panel interview on Monday night it was evidently clear that you had decided not to shortlist me prior to the interview taking place. I wish you had been polite enough to ring beforehand instead of have me waste my time in travelling across town to what was in fact a kangaroo court. Your summation was in fact cruel, crude and very rude. I’m not going to bother debating with you about the several concerns you raised, suffice to say I found them risible. In particular as regards the 2011 Queen’s Park election where of the 13 councillors you have in the Labour group, my vote exceeded each one of them bar only yourself and Brian Fitch. It is said that you want to surround yourself with a coterie of “yes people”, and I refuse to be part of that. I will remain outspoken and retain my independent streak, and criticism will be made, when warranted, of Labour councillors and policies. Indeed, my role as a prominent community activist will continue and I will continue to work with both the Greens and the Tories, without having my hands tied. With only three candidates there was no need for you to engineer a shortlist. You should have allowed the East Brighton members to choose from amongst all candidates rather than personally handpick your preferred candidates prior to your members vote on Thursday. It’s called democracy. As leader of the Labour group you should be strong enough to field even those candidates that have their own voice. You need to avoid the short sightedness of selecting your “newest best friend” from an Executive Committee primarily concerned with feathering their own nests. I seem to recall how ill-fated it was when Caligula tried to appoint his favourite horse as a consul of Rome. As for myself, I will not be supporting the Labour Party in the near future, as what I have witnessed recently is both underhand and quite disgraceful. If this in 2012 is the state of the party in this city, then I am not sure I want to play any part of it. Regards Chris Cooke

This open letter was posted twice as a comment behind a Brighton Politics Blog post and again after a subsequent post.

It's obsessive appearance here is the 4th time I have seen it now. Comic!

Political hara kiri, Chris!

Come on Valerie we all need to know what is going on in the chamber and behind the scenes...

Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
This country has been at the hands of career politicians like this lad for far too long.
When did any of them have a proper job?

He'll never need a proper job.

"And if you care to know - (puddingandpi), East Brighton Park as i guess thats what your talking about by the term 'EastBrighton' is closer to Roedean than Whitehawk!!"
.
I'm not actually talking about East Brighton, the article is. And he's going to represent East Brighton Park? A park? What, he's going to campaign for organic bread for ducks & a limit to the immigration of Canada geese?

PorkBoat wrote:

greenpaws wrote:
When I was a teenager, I was a young Tory through the selfishness and greed of my parents. I was blinkered by the arguments that lowering taxes gained prosperity and more jobs for all.

I campaigned on the doorstep for a cring society (naive that I was) and won votes for David Liddington on thast basis.

I soon realised what I was saying on the doorstep was not the same as he was saying.Tories in my experience are wannabes or actual rich or powerful and really don't care about those less fortunate unless it involves sacrificing themselves to unliveable wages boosting the wealth of a Tory member. I moved to the Greens for liberty and environmental and social justice.

I hope the young man soon learns what his party really wants, and support and equality for young people are certainly not it.

I think you should take a long, hard look at what your joke of a party says it stands for, and what it really stands for, before criticising the hypocricy of other political parties.

And what does the Green Party stand for that you describe as a 'joke' ?

JKW wrote:

Valerie Paynter wrote:

Tubalcain wrote:
From: Chris Cooke To: Gill Mitchell Cc: Sent: Wednesday, 12 September 2012 Subject: East Brighton by-election & “selection” process Dear Gill With regards to the “summing up” after my panel interview on Monday night it was evidently clear that you had decided not to shortlist me prior to the interview taking place. I wish you had been polite enough to ring beforehand instead of have me waste my time in travelling across town to what was in fact a kangaroo court. Your summation was in fact cruel, crude and very rude. I’m not going to bother debating with you about the several concerns you raised, suffice to say I found them risible. In particular as regards the 2011 Queen’s Park election where of the 13 councillors you have in the Labour group, my vote exceeded each one of them bar only yourself and Brian Fitch. It is said that you want to surround yourself with a coterie of “yes people”, and I refuse to be part of that. I will remain outspoken and retain my independent streak, and criticism will be made, when warranted, of Labour councillors and policies. Indeed, my role as a prominent community activist will continue and I will continue to work with both the Greens and the Tories, without having my hands tied. With only three candidates there was no need for you to engineer a shortlist. You should have allowed the East Brighton members to choose from amongst all candidates rather than personally handpick your preferred candidates prior to your members vote on Thursday. It’s called democracy. As leader of the Labour group you should be strong enough to field even those candidates that have their own voice. You need to avoid the short sightedness of selecting your “newest best friend” from an Executive Committee primarily concerned with feathering their own nests. I seem to recall how ill-fated it was when Caligula tried to appoint his favourite horse as a consul of Rome. As for myself, I will not be supporting the Labour Party in the near future, as what I have witnessed recently is both underhand and quite disgraceful. If this in 2012 is the state of the party in this city, then I am not sure I want to play any part of it. Regards Chris Cooke

This open letter was posted twice as a comment behind a Brighton Politics Blog post and again after a subsequent post.

It's obsessive appearance here is the 4th time I have seen it now. Comic!

Political hara kiri, Chris!

Come on Valerie we all need to know what is going on in the chamber and behind the scenes...

I don't, so it's not all of us. Could you tell me ?

The Baron Pepperpot wrote:

PorkBoat wrote:

greenpaws wrote:
When I was a teenager, I was a young Tory through the selfishness and greed of my parents. I was blinkered by the arguments that lowering taxes gained prosperity and more jobs for all.

I campaigned on the doorstep for a cring society (naive that I was) and won votes for David Liddington on thast basis.

I soon realised what I was saying on the doorstep was not the same as he was saying.Tories in my experience are wannabes or actual rich or powerful and really don't care about those less fortunate unless it involves sacrificing themselves to unliveable wages boosting the wealth of a Tory member. I moved to the Greens for liberty and environmental and social justice.

I hope the young man soon learns what his party really wants, and support and equality for young people are certainly not it.

I think you should take a long, hard look at what your joke of a party says it stands for, and what it really stands for, before criticising the hypocricy of other political parties.

And what does the Green Party stand for that you describe as a 'joke' ?

You are the one that supports the Greens, and you're asking ME what they stand for? Surely you should know off by heart what your chosen parties manifesto is? Have they achieved any of their aims locally or nationally? What is their policy on free speech within their party, and how do they deal with members and representatives who disagree with any of their policies? What are the historical origins of their ideology? Come on you should know all this. Let me know when you're ready.

getThisCoalitionOut wrote:
He looks like a mini me caMORON - lol

This kid obviously has no sense. Hopefully the people of East Brighton will do the right thing and give this Tory a spanking!

PorkBoat wrote:

The Baron Pepperpot wrote:

PorkBoat wrote:

greenpaws wrote:
When I was a teenager, I was a young Tory through the selfishness and greed of my parents. I was blinkered by the arguments that lowering taxes gained prosperity and more jobs for all.

I campaigned on the doorstep for a cring society (naive that I was) and won votes for David Liddington on thast basis.

I soon realised what I was saying on the doorstep was not the same as he was saying.Tories in my experience are wannabes or actual rich or powerful and really don't care about those less fortunate unless it involves sacrificing themselves to unliveable wages boosting the wealth of a Tory member. I moved to the Greens for liberty and environmental and social justice.

I hope the young man soon learns what his party really wants, and support and equality for young people are certainly not it.

I think you should take a long, hard look at what your joke of a party says it stands for, and what it really stands for, before criticising the hypocricy of other political parties.

And what does the Green Party stand for that you describe as a 'joke' ?

You are the one that supports the Greens, and you're asking ME what they stand for? Surely you should know off by heart what your chosen parties manifesto is? Have they achieved any of their aims locally or nationally? What is their policy on free speech within their party, and how do they deal with members and representatives who disagree with any of their policies? What are the historical origins of their ideology? Come on you should know all this. Let me know when you're ready.

Forgive me, you suggested someone '.... take a long, hard look at what your joke of a party says it stands for' that being a Green voter. So I asked 'And what does the Green Party stand for that you describe as a 'joke' ?'. If you can tell me then we come open up a rational debate rather than yawn at the bluster on here.

There's a history of young people attaining high political office:

http://en.wikipedia.
org/wiki/William_Pit
t_the_Younger

The Baron Pepperpot wrote:

PorkBoat wrote:

The Baron Pepperpot wrote:

PorkBoat wrote:

greenpaws wrote:
When I was a teenager, I was a young Tory through the selfishness and greed of my parents. I was blinkered by the arguments that lowering taxes gained prosperity and more jobs for all.

I campaigned on the doorstep for a cring society (naive that I was) and won votes for David Liddington on thast basis.

I soon realised what I was saying on the doorstep was not the same as he was saying.Tories in my experience are wannabes or actual rich or powerful and really don't care about those less fortunate unless it involves sacrificing themselves to unliveable wages boosting the wealth of a Tory member. I moved to the Greens for liberty and environmental and social justice.

I hope the young man soon learns what his party really wants, and support and equality for young people are certainly not it.

I think you should take a long, hard look at what your joke of a party says it stands for, and what it really stands for, before criticising the hypocricy of other political parties.

And what does the Green Party stand for that you describe as a 'joke' ?

You are the one that supports the Greens, and you're asking ME what they stand for? Surely you should know off by heart what your chosen parties manifesto is? Have they achieved any of their aims locally or nationally? What is their policy on free speech within their party, and how do they deal with members and representatives who disagree with any of their policies? What are the historical origins of their ideology? Come on you should know all this. Let me know when you're ready.

Forgive me, you suggested someone '.... take a long, hard look at what your joke of a party says it stands for' that being a Green voter. So I asked 'And what does the Green Party stand for that you describe as a 'joke' ?'. If you can tell me then we come open up a rational debate rather than yawn at the bluster on here.

Sorry, I was getting my quotes mixed up, and replied to you, instead of Greenpaws. But if you are a Green Party supporter, and are asking ME what they stand for then the same rules apply.

Is Roedean in East Brighton?

gmgc81 wrote:

getThisCoalitionOut wrote: He looks like a mini me caMORON - lol

This kid obviously has no sense. Hopefully the people of East Brighton will do the right thing and give this Tory a spanking!

As regard this kid, (as you put it) you wait till you see what the greens have coming along for candidates in the next local elections, they're already indoctrinating into kids their green attitudes and the hippy way life everyone should be livng. Just look at the photos of them in the Argus dragging their children along on their protest marches.
When they start putting up 18 yearolds, be a different story then, wont it???

whereisthe...? wrote:
My they become evil young these days don't they?

So, you've never met him - but think he is evil. I'm guessing that says more about you than him.

Now - you can disagree with his politics - but rather than **** and whining on the comments page of a local rag , at least he has the balls to stand up and be counted and try and make a change.

What has been your contribution to making society a better place to live ...? (However you might judge "better")

Ps - of course he is a sacrificial lamb - no chance og getting in - but good experience of dealing with a hotile /disinterested electorate

puddingandpi wrote:
"And if you care to know - (puddingandpi), East Brighton Park as i guess thats what your talking about by the term 'EastBrighton' is closer to Roedean than Whitehawk!!"
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I'm not actually talking about East Brighton, the article is. And he's going to represent East Brighton Park? A park? What, he's going to campaign for organic bread for ducks & a limit to the immigration of Canada geese?

I hope he will be campaigning for a lake.

It's a safe seat, hence why this young man has been given a chance to stand.

I may not agree with his politics but I wish him a lot of luck. Politics is a dirty game & he may have wonderful intentions, but I wonder if or when he achieves a council place, will he be forced to change his values?