Your Interview: Brighton and Hove Buses boss Roger French

Roger French, managing director of Brighton and Hove Bus Company

Roger French, managing director of Brighton and Hove Bus Company

First published in News

In our new weekly feature your Interview, we give you, our readers, the chance to ask key figures across Sussex the questions you want answered. This week managing director of Brighton and Hove Bus and Coach Company Roger French answers your questions

Dawn Barnett: “How will snow affect the running of buses in the centre if your depot moves to Hollingbury?

“This is one of the first places in the city to be cut off during snowy weather and buses often have to terminate at the bottom of Carden Avenue.

“How will you ensure that your bus drivers will be able to get to work and that buses will be able to run into the city and back up to Hollingbury?”

Roger French: We don’t envisage problems as Newsquest used to keep their print lorries and distribution vans rolling as Asda do with their articulated delivery lorries while other businesses located in Crowhurst Road, including the fruit and veg wholesale market, keep operating as well as Sussex Police’s custody suite.

The city council’s gritters already give the area high priority because of this. I am confident we will be able to access the A27 even if the Carden Avenue approach is dicey.

We will also continue to have our garages in Lewes Road and Whitehawk available. Our move to Hollingbury offers a brilliant opportunity to have modern environmentally sound bus garage facilities and free up our Conway Street site along with neighbours for an exciting development for that part of Hove.

Jo Goddard, Ovingdean: “Please can I ask how we can get the new companies running the rural services such as 52, 57 and 47 etc to join your electronic ticketing system so we can use the Key card all over the city? It’s so handy and such good value.

Users of council funded services have had to go back to the old fashioned paper scratch off tickets which aren’t easy to buy and work out more than Savers on the Key. Couldn’t you just loan or rent them some terminals?”

RF: I was disappointed that the investment we have made in smartcard technology (and also real time information) was not taken into account when the new contracts for these routes were awarded but understand the pressure the city council faced in having to accept lower bids to match the reduced funding they had available for these routes, which are not commercially viable, to operate.

It is for the city council who control the routes you mention to determine what ticketing requirements apply for passengers travelling on the routes.

We have made available stocks of our old style paper tickets for passengers who want to use these routes in addition to our commercially provided network. Ironically we missed out on winning the tenders due to our costs being higher, which is in part due to our investment in smartcard and real time technologies!

richard@w2a.co.uk: “When will BH Buses start offering night buses to other areas of town? Some people other than students do use buses at night. Seems that BH Buses are again pandering to students.

RF: Route N7 between Brighton Marina and Hove was our very first night bus route introduced in 2004 and continues to run seven nights a week.

The N25 was introduced in 2006 between Falmer and Portslade and has proved hugely popular such that it now runs at a frequency of every 10 minutes right through until 4.30am before reducing to half hourly until the daytime timetable begins.

It’s not a question of “pandering to students” – we are meeting the demand for large volumes of people wanting to travel.

Last month we extended the N12 and N14 night bus routes along the coast road to Peacehaven, Newhaven, Seaford and Eastbourne to run six nights a week and earlier in the year we revamped our night bus network which runs Thursday through Saturday nights so that areas such as Whitehawk, Hollingbury, Patcham, Hangleton, Downs Park, Shoreham, Steyning and Worthing are all now served.

We also run the N29 to Lewes and Uckfield and the N40 to Burgess Hill and Haywards Heath and our colleagues at Metrobus run the N73 to Crawley, probably one of the most comprehensive night bus networks provided commercially anywhere in the UK outside of the metropolitan areas.

Adam Campbell, chair of Western and Church Road Traders: “Is it acceptable for Mr French to dictate transport policy in the town to the detriment of other businesses?

RF: It’s the first I’ve heard I “dictate transport policy” any more than Mr Campbell dictates retail policy for the city. But it’s an intriguing thought that I could dictate transport policy, so here goes... just for starters... I’d build a Park and Ride car park for 1,000 cars at Braypool for visitors using the A23 and A27 and from where I’d run buses every few minutes non-stop to the city centre and serve the major hotels.

I’d install a similar facility in the area alongside Saltdean Lido for motorists coming in from the east along the A259. I’d extend the restrictions on loading and unloading and otherwise restrict access to buses, taxis and cyclists to Western Road, Hove as applies to Western Road, Brighton.

Heike Golightly: “I went to an annual event called Apple Day in Stanmer Park on Sunday September 30. It is very popular but most people drive because the hourly service of the no 78 was not only inadequate for the numbers of people using public transport, it was also more than 30 minutes late each way.

Why for events such as this (as well as home games of the Albion) can there not be an adequate, efficient bus services that caters for the size of the event?

It is very short sighted as it would be an opportunity to make lots of money.

RF: The buses provided for the Albion home games are run under contract to them by a number of bus companies, which we help coordinate.

The Albion transport team work closely with us to try and ensure there is enough capacity to clear the ground after a match within an hour, and this is being regularly achieved.

It’s a logistical operation of Olympic proportions for every game and is a remarkable success.

The bus route to Stanmer Park, route 78, is run for the city council, with funding from a number of partners as it doesn’t prove commercially viable.

Unfortunately there is a problem of disorganised car parking in the park at busy times, which the council is working hard to crack, particularly as this does cause delays to the bus, which gets stuck within the grounds on its circular route.

Heike Golightly: “Why do prices keep getting more expensive? This does not encourage people onto the buses. And why do you punish poor people, those who are not able to use online pre-payment (the key) for whichever reasons?

These discount prices should be available to all, not just to those who have internet access and a bank account. Would you call this fair pricing?”

RF: The cost of fuel has rocketed over the last few years and we have also faced a fuel tax hike of 20% earlier this year in addition to the normal fuel duty increases every motorist faces. Ask any motorist how much it costs to fill a tank compared to a couple of years ago and they’ll also relate how expensive it now is.

We have to fill our tanks to the tune of 2 million litres of diesel a year and we have had to pass this increased cost on to our customers.

Our range of pay-in advance SAVER tickets offer excellent value and our investment in smartcard technology has meant we can sell tickets online with no additional infrastructure costs or human intervention and pass these savings on.

We are no different to other commercial business and retailers who are able to pass on savings through internet shopping to customers and we also sell SAVER tickets from our 1 Stop Travel shops and a range of local shops and post offices at reduced prices, albeit not as cheap as online.

We are also currently evaluating a new method of purchasing SAVER tickets via smartphones, which we hope to roll out in due course.

Marguerite Marsh, 85, Hove: “Why doesn’t every bus have its number on the back? It makes it difficult for old people to see which bus to catch.

RF: They do.

Marguerite Marsh, 85, Hove: “Why don’t the drivers tell people to sit down when there are spare seats rather than standing up and blocking the gangway?

RF: Drivers will do this when they can along with their other duties, particularly if it is causing problems for other passengers. We would also ask for the co-operation and goodwill of everyone using our buses not to stand in people’s way and use seats when they are available.

Philip Evans, 64, Hove: “Why doesn’t Brighton and Hove Buses run a service along the seafront?”

RF: Because we can’t see it as a commercially viable proposition. Interestingly Stagecoach, who run a bus route into the city along the coast from the west, operate via Grand Avenue and along Western Road and I guess they also think the same, as they could continue the route to serve the seafront if they saw this as more viable.

Perhaps if ever the Brighton Centre gets rebuilt and Churchill Square is extended down to the seafront with a lovely John Lewis store there (in our dreams!) as well as the i360, there might be a more commercial proposition for buses to be there, but currently there is not a consistent regular flow of people demanding a bus there.

Until a few years ago the city council funded a half hourly bus route from Hove Town Hall to the Thistle Hotel, which was available for members of the public to use as well as their staff, but very few people ever used it.

Patricia Hawes: “Nearly all last week the No 46 bus due at 9 in Downsway never turned up and the driver just said it was because of the school run, which I don’t understand.

The timetable schedules a bus every 20 minutes during the day not 40! I very nearly missed my train.

RF: I’m really sorry about this. The previous journey operated by this bus runs to Cottesmore School, which has been busier than we expected since the start of the school term and the bus has become late, having a knock on effect on timekeeping of this next journey on route 46.

From Monday of last week we’ve rescheduled the school journey to another bus and we expect this will resolve this problem. My apologies for the inconvenience and the frustrations caused.

Matthew Hook: “At peak times some seafront buses run full to capacity because of very large numbers of foreign English Language students using them.

This means they often have to drive past potential passengers waiting at stops meaning hard working Brighton and Hove commuters cannot use the service.

Yesterday I counted over 40 students getting on at one stop, the bus was then unable to collect further passengers. Does he think that this situation is acceptable, and does he think it might be time to run special student buses during the study months, to free up buses for regular users?”

RF: Our bus network is open to all passengers and where there are peak flows – currently the coast road from the east and the Lewes Road to Falmer are extremely busy – we are scheduling additional buses and aiming to improve the frequency of service even further in the future.

Since 2008 when the A259 bus lanes were introduced we have invested in a 50% increase of peak hour buses with 17 buses now arriving in the morning peak instead of 11 and we are looking to increase this still further as it becomes even more successful.

On the Lewes Road, with the recent introduction of more Bendy Buses and an increased frequency, we have doubled the capacity on this route in the peak but it still needs further buses which we are working on.

Bill Wood said: “With the increase in the use of the bus pass and it’s rising cost to the taxpayer would a charge of 50p for every journey and restrictions on their use only to the area of the issuing local authority make sense?”

RF: The introduction of free concessionary travel for those over 60 or with defined disabilities in each local area in 2006 and extended England wide in 2008 was a political decision and it’s best for that question to be directed at politicians, albeit the funding is being capped as the qualifying age gradually rises to 66.

My personal observation is that in the longer term the scheme is probably financially unsustainable, which is sad as I was looking forward to a retirement riding round on buses all over England without paying any fares!

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4:38pm Sat 13 Oct 12

davyboy says...

some good questions, with good answers. not the 'Roger bashing' i expected. running a company of this size takes a lot of skill, and some hard decisions are often needed. Mr French clearly knows his business well, and keeps fine tuning it where required. bus companies all over the country are easy pickings for the transport bashers, who don't realise how much everything costs
some good questions, with good answers. not the 'Roger bashing' i expected. running a company of this size takes a lot of skill, and some hard decisions are often needed. Mr French clearly knows his business well, and keeps fine tuning it where required. bus companies all over the country are easy pickings for the transport bashers, who don't realise how much everything costs davyboy
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6:06pm Sat 13 Oct 12

Dealing with idiots says...

davyboy wrote:
some good questions, with good answers. not the 'Roger bashing' i expected. running a company of this size takes a lot of skill, and some hard decisions are often needed. Mr French clearly knows his business well, and keeps fine tuning it where required. bus companies all over the country are easy pickings for the transport bashers, who don't realise how much everything costs
Thank you davyboy, what lovely words,
the cheque is in the post

Lots of love
Roger
[quote][p][bold]davyboy[/bold] wrote: some good questions, with good answers. not the 'Roger bashing' i expected. running a company of this size takes a lot of skill, and some hard decisions are often needed. Mr French clearly knows his business well, and keeps fine tuning it where required. bus companies all over the country are easy pickings for the transport bashers, who don't realise how much everything costs[/p][/quote]Thank you davyboy, what lovely words, the cheque is in the post Lots of love Roger Dealing with idiots
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8:23pm Sat 13 Oct 12

rolivan says...

When you have a Monopoly like B&HB&CC you can afford to fine tune it to your needs in the knowledge that nobody else can afford to try and improve it for the Customers.
When you have a Monopoly like B&HB&CC you can afford to fine tune it to your needs in the knowledge that nobody else can afford to try and improve it for the Customers. rolivan
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9:02pm Sat 13 Oct 12

george smith says...

Why do his staff stand on the pavement on the lewes rd and litter the road with their fag butts?
Why do his staff stand on the pavement on the lewes rd and litter the road with their fag butts? george smith
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9:52pm Sat 13 Oct 12

Bristol VR says...

Some inetersting questions and good answers as davyboy says... pity it's been let down by the ponitless rubbish in the comments afterwards!

We enjoy an excellent and second to none bus service in this city. Yes it might be a monopoly bus company but I very much doubt it would be any cheaper or any better if there was another operator in the town. In fact it would end up in the disorganised chaos that happened when the buses were de regulated in the late 70's early 80s with duplicated routes and no proper idea of how much it costs to get from a to b on a bus.
I say to those moaning about Brighton & Hove Buses... go and live in Cornwall and wait two hours for a bus from Padstow to Wadebridge for £4 single! That is what I call a pricey infrequent and bad service!
Some inetersting questions and good answers as davyboy says... pity it's been let down by the ponitless rubbish in the comments afterwards! We enjoy an excellent and second to none bus service in this city. Yes it might be a monopoly bus company but I very much doubt it would be any cheaper or any better if there was another operator in the town. In fact it would end up in the disorganised chaos that happened when the buses were de regulated in the late 70's early 80s with duplicated routes and no proper idea of how much it costs to get from a to b on a bus. I say to those moaning about Brighton & Hove Buses... go and live in Cornwall and wait two hours for a bus from Padstow to Wadebridge for £4 single! That is what I call a pricey infrequent and bad service! Bristol VR
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12:36am Sun 14 Oct 12

rolivan says...

Bristol VR wrote:
Some inetersting questions and good answers as davyboy says... pity it's been let down by the ponitless rubbish in the comments afterwards!

We enjoy an excellent and second to none bus service in this city. Yes it might be a monopoly bus company but I very much doubt it would be any cheaper or any better if there was another operator in the town. In fact it would end up in the disorganised chaos that happened when the buses were de regulated in the late 70's early 80s with duplicated routes and no proper idea of how much it costs to get from a to b on a bus.
I say to those moaning about Brighton & Hove Buses... go and live in Cornwall and wait two hours for a bus from Padstow to Wadebridge for £4 single! That is what I call a pricey infrequent and bad service!
You mention duplicated routes why do so many buses go along western rd and up and down north st
[quote][p][bold]Bristol VR[/bold] wrote: Some inetersting questions and good answers as davyboy says... pity it's been let down by the ponitless rubbish in the comments afterwards! We enjoy an excellent and second to none bus service in this city. Yes it might be a monopoly bus company but I very much doubt it would be any cheaper or any better if there was another operator in the town. In fact it would end up in the disorganised chaos that happened when the buses were de regulated in the late 70's early 80s with duplicated routes and no proper idea of how much it costs to get from a to b on a bus. I say to those moaning about Brighton & Hove Buses... go and live in Cornwall and wait two hours for a bus from Padstow to Wadebridge for £4 single! That is what I call a pricey infrequent and bad service![/p][/quote]You mention duplicated routes why do so many buses go along western rd and up and down north st rolivan
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1:05am Sun 14 Oct 12

Maxwell's Ghost says...

And where will his staff park in hollingbury which has no off street parking.
And where will his staff park their cars when the Coombe road area becomes residents parking only.
And where will his staff park in hollingbury which has no off street parking. And where will his staff park their cars when the Coombe road area becomes residents parking only. Maxwell's Ghost
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8:44am Sun 14 Oct 12

Bill Giles says...

rolivan wrote:
Bristol VR wrote:
Some inetersting questions and good answers as davyboy says... pity it's been let down by the ponitless rubbish in the comments afterwards!

We enjoy an excellent and second to none bus service in this city. Yes it might be a monopoly bus company but I very much doubt it would be any cheaper or any better if there was another operator in the town. In fact it would end up in the disorganised chaos that happened when the buses were de regulated in the late 70's early 80s with duplicated routes and no proper idea of how much it costs to get from a to b on a bus.
I say to those moaning about Brighton & Hove Buses... go and live in Cornwall and wait two hours for a bus from Padstow to Wadebridge for £4 single! That is what I call a pricey infrequent and bad service!
You mention duplicated routes why do so many buses go along western rd and up and down north st
Maybe it's because that's where the majority of passengers are travelling to.
[quote][p][bold]rolivan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bristol VR[/bold] wrote: Some inetersting questions and good answers as davyboy says... pity it's been let down by the ponitless rubbish in the comments afterwards! We enjoy an excellent and second to none bus service in this city. Yes it might be a monopoly bus company but I very much doubt it would be any cheaper or any better if there was another operator in the town. In fact it would end up in the disorganised chaos that happened when the buses were de regulated in the late 70's early 80s with duplicated routes and no proper idea of how much it costs to get from a to b on a bus. I say to those moaning about Brighton & Hove Buses... go and live in Cornwall and wait two hours for a bus from Padstow to Wadebridge for £4 single! That is what I call a pricey infrequent and bad service![/p][/quote]You mention duplicated routes why do so many buses go along western rd and up and down north st[/p][/quote]Maybe it's because that's where the majority of passengers are travelling to. Bill Giles
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9:04am Sun 14 Oct 12

Dealing with idiots says...

Bristol VR wrote:
Some inetersting questions and good answers as davyboy says... pity it's been let down by the ponitless rubbish in the comments afterwards! We enjoy an excellent and second to none bus service in this city. Yes it might be a monopoly bus company but I very much doubt it would be any cheaper or any better if there was another operator in the town. In fact it would end up in the disorganised chaos that happened when the buses were de regulated in the late 70's early 80s with duplicated routes and no proper idea of how much it costs to get from a to b on a bus. I say to those moaning about Brighton & Hove Buses... go and live in Cornwall and wait two hours for a bus from Padstow to Wadebridge for £4 single! That is what I call a pricey infrequent and bad service!
Sorry Bristol, did forget your cheque?
Rog
[quote][p][bold]Bristol VR[/bold] wrote: Some inetersting questions and good answers as davyboy says... pity it's been let down by the ponitless rubbish in the comments afterwards! We enjoy an excellent and second to none bus service in this city. Yes it might be a monopoly bus company but I very much doubt it would be any cheaper or any better if there was another operator in the town. In fact it would end up in the disorganised chaos that happened when the buses were de regulated in the late 70's early 80s with duplicated routes and no proper idea of how much it costs to get from a to b on a bus. I say to those moaning about Brighton & Hove Buses... go and live in Cornwall and wait two hours for a bus from Padstow to Wadebridge for £4 single! That is what I call a pricey infrequent and bad service![/p][/quote]Sorry Bristol, did forget your cheque? Rog Dealing with idiots
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9:42am Sun 14 Oct 12

Maxwell's Ghost says...

Cornwall is nothing like a busy city centre. What a ridiculous comparison.
One could also ask why it's £4.20 for short distances as well as long distances in this city. That pricing mechanism is now outdated and a trade killer.
It's only good value if you live further out otherwise its actually expensive to hop on a bus for a few stops.
I no longer get buses because of this pricing mechanism and is better if I walk or cycle and if there's two of us with stuff to bring home we drive and at least we don't get a driver refusing to take a £20 note for an £8.40 fare...... That is an example of monopoly business , poor customer service. The pub I went into was happy to take the note for two pints but its competing.
Cornwall is nothing like a busy city centre. What a ridiculous comparison. One could also ask why it's £4.20 for short distances as well as long distances in this city. That pricing mechanism is now outdated and a trade killer. It's only good value if you live further out otherwise its actually expensive to hop on a bus for a few stops. I no longer get buses because of this pricing mechanism and is better if I walk or cycle and if there's two of us with stuff to bring home we drive and at least we don't get a driver refusing to take a £20 note for an £8.40 fare...... That is an example of monopoly business , poor customer service. The pub I went into was happy to take the note for two pints but its competing. Maxwell's Ghost
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12:13pm Sun 14 Oct 12

Bristol VR says...

Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
Cornwall is nothing like a busy city centre. What a ridiculous comparison.
One could also ask why it's £4.20 for short distances as well as long distances in this city. That pricing mechanism is now outdated and a trade killer.
It's only good value if you live further out otherwise its actually expensive to hop on a bus for a few stops.
I no longer get buses because of this pricing mechanism and is better if I walk or cycle and if there's two of us with stuff to bring home we drive and at least we don't get a driver refusing to take a £20 note for an £8.40 fare...... That is an example of monopoly business , poor customer service. The pub I went into was happy to take the note for two pints but its competing.
erm shows how long ago it was when you last took a bus in Brighton ! B&H have short hop fares which certainly dont cost £4,20!

As for Rolivan's comment about all the buses going down Western Road it's because the majority of people going into and out of Brighton who down own or use a car also use Western Road... It's nothing new... did you know that 40% of Londons Bus routes use Oxford Street in Lonfdon?
[quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: Cornwall is nothing like a busy city centre. What a ridiculous comparison. One could also ask why it's £4.20 for short distances as well as long distances in this city. That pricing mechanism is now outdated and a trade killer. It's only good value if you live further out otherwise its actually expensive to hop on a bus for a few stops. I no longer get buses because of this pricing mechanism and is better if I walk or cycle and if there's two of us with stuff to bring home we drive and at least we don't get a driver refusing to take a £20 note for an £8.40 fare...... That is an example of monopoly business , poor customer service. The pub I went into was happy to take the note for two pints but its competing.[/p][/quote]erm shows how long ago it was when you last took a bus in Brighton ! B&H have short hop fares which certainly dont cost £4,20! As for Rolivan's comment about all the buses going down Western Road it's because the majority of people going into and out of Brighton who down own or use a car also use Western Road... It's nothing new... did you know that 40% of Londons Bus routes use Oxford Street in Lonfdon? Bristol VR
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12:16pm Sun 14 Oct 12

Bill Giles says...

Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
Cornwall is nothing like a busy city centre. What a ridiculous comparison.
One could also ask why it's £4.20 for short distances as well as long distances in this city. That pricing mechanism is now outdated and a trade killer.
It's only good value if you live further out otherwise its actually expensive to hop on a bus for a few stops.
I no longer get buses because of this pricing mechanism and is better if I walk or cycle and if there's two of us with stuff to bring home we drive and at least we don't get a driver refusing to take a £20 note for an £8.40 fare...... That is an example of monopoly business , poor customer service. The pub I went into was happy to take the note for two pints but its competing.
It only costs me £1.50 from the top of Saltdean to Rottingdean so don't know where you get £4.20 from for a short distance.
[quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: Cornwall is nothing like a busy city centre. What a ridiculous comparison. One could also ask why it's £4.20 for short distances as well as long distances in this city. That pricing mechanism is now outdated and a trade killer. It's only good value if you live further out otherwise its actually expensive to hop on a bus for a few stops. I no longer get buses because of this pricing mechanism and is better if I walk or cycle and if there's two of us with stuff to bring home we drive and at least we don't get a driver refusing to take a £20 note for an £8.40 fare...... That is an example of monopoly business , poor customer service. The pub I went into was happy to take the note for two pints but its competing.[/p][/quote]It only costs me £1.50 from the top of Saltdean to Rottingdean so don't know where you get £4.20 from for a short distance. Bill Giles
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1:38pm Sun 14 Oct 12

Maxwell's Ghost says...

The last time i got on the bus it was £4.20 for a return (all day)from the Lewes Road.
I gave the driver a £20 note for the £8.40 fare and he got in a right huff and had a little outburst and refused to take the money. Other passengers came to the front of the bus to offer change and he got the nark and said we had to get off as he didn't have time.
Anmd I can tell you at no time from the Lewes Road have I ever been offered a short stop fare. Ever.
Perhaps someone can road test it. And if you ever have the misfortune of waiting for the 81 you have more chance of catching a bus to Cornwall than relying on this service.
God help anyone living at the top of any hills in this town and god help anyone who ends up in eco town Toad Hole because you will never get off the mountain on public transport.
The last time i got on the bus it was £4.20 for a return (all day)from the Lewes Road. I gave the driver a £20 note for the £8.40 fare and he got in a right huff and had a little outburst and refused to take the money. Other passengers came to the front of the bus to offer change and he got the nark and said we had to get off as he didn't have time. Anmd I can tell you at no time from the Lewes Road have I ever been offered a short stop fare. Ever. Perhaps someone can road test it. And if you ever have the misfortune of waiting for the 81 you have more chance of catching a bus to Cornwall than relying on this service. God help anyone living at the top of any hills in this town and god help anyone who ends up in eco town Toad Hole because you will never get off the mountain on public transport. Maxwell's Ghost
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1:51pm Sun 14 Oct 12

Maxwell's Ghost says...

So actually it's £2.10 for about five stops from Lewes Road into town, £4.20 return which sounds reasonable if you live a good distance away. If you live just a few stops from town it actually isn't good value.
Here is an example, I see old folk get on the bus at Elm Grove and hop on and off at the Sainsbury or the various stores along the Lews Road with their free passes. They do their shopping and return home with free passes.
Mums with buggies or working people can't do this as they will get whacked for the £4.20 return fare even though it's just a short distance as there is such a rigid charging system.
Also your single ticket to a destination is only good if you don't have to change buses as then you have to buy another ticket and another fare or pay the all day full whack.
It's just odd.
So actually it's £2.10 for about five stops from Lewes Road into town, £4.20 return which sounds reasonable if you live a good distance away. If you live just a few stops from town it actually isn't good value. Here is an example, I see old folk get on the bus at Elm Grove and hop on and off at the Sainsbury or the various stores along the Lews Road with their free passes. They do their shopping and return home with free passes. Mums with buggies or working people can't do this as they will get whacked for the £4.20 return fare even though it's just a short distance as there is such a rigid charging system. Also your single ticket to a destination is only good if you don't have to change buses as then you have to buy another ticket and another fare or pay the all day full whack. It's just odd. Maxwell's Ghost
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2:08pm Sun 14 Oct 12

Ludham says...

Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
So actually it's £2.10 for about five stops from Lewes Road into town, £4.20 return which sounds reasonable if you live a good distance away. If you live just a few stops from town it actually isn't good value.
Here is an example, I see old folk get on the bus at Elm Grove and hop on and off at the Sainsbury or the various stores along the Lews Road with their free passes. They do their shopping and return home with free passes.
Mums with buggies or working people can't do this as they will get whacked for the £4.20 return fare even though it's just a short distance as there is such a rigid charging system.
Also your single ticket to a destination is only good if you don't have to change buses as then you have to buy another ticket and another fare or pay the all day full whack.
It's just odd.
From my stop at The Avenue it costs £2 to Hove Town Hall - I've never paid £4.20 - anyway with a Smartcard it's now only £1.75 each way with the £3.50 day SAVER. Also I only pay £1.50 to Melbourne Street too for Sainsbury's. I don't find the fare system rigid at all.
[quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: So actually it's £2.10 for about five stops from Lewes Road into town, £4.20 return which sounds reasonable if you live a good distance away. If you live just a few stops from town it actually isn't good value. Here is an example, I see old folk get on the bus at Elm Grove and hop on and off at the Sainsbury or the various stores along the Lews Road with their free passes. They do their shopping and return home with free passes. Mums with buggies or working people can't do this as they will get whacked for the £4.20 return fare even though it's just a short distance as there is such a rigid charging system. Also your single ticket to a destination is only good if you don't have to change buses as then you have to buy another ticket and another fare or pay the all day full whack. It's just odd.[/p][/quote]From my stop at The Avenue it costs £2 to Hove Town Hall - I've never paid £4.20 - anyway with a Smartcard it's now only £1.75 each way with the £3.50 day SAVER. Also I only pay £1.50 to Melbourne Street too for Sainsbury's. I don't find the fare system rigid at all. Ludham
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2:56pm Sun 14 Oct 12

Maxwell's Ghost says...

Exactly Ludham it's worth your while as its a long journey but from near town I have never been given a cheaper fare
Exactly Ludham it's worth your while as its a long journey but from near town I have never been given a cheaper fare Maxwell's Ghost
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3:48pm Sun 14 Oct 12

rolivan says...

Bill Giles wrote:
rolivan wrote:
Bristol VR wrote:
Some inetersting questions and good answers as davyboy says... pity it's been let down by the ponitless rubbish in the comments afterwards!

We enjoy an excellent and second to none bus service in this city. Yes it might be a monopoly bus company but I very much doubt it would be any cheaper or any better if there was another operator in the town. In fact it would end up in the disorganised chaos that happened when the buses were de regulated in the late 70's early 80s with duplicated routes and no proper idea of how much it costs to get from a to b on a bus.
I say to those moaning about Brighton & Hove Buses... go and live in Cornwall and wait two hours for a bus from Padstow to Wadebridge for £4 single! That is what I call a pricey infrequent and bad service!
You mention duplicated routes why do so many buses go along western rd and up and down north st
Maybe it's because that's where the majority of passengers are travelling to.
That is my point,why do all of the buses have to pass through there why can't some stop at Old Steine and Palmeira Sq with Shuttle buses running inbetween and some run along the seafront.How are people expected to get to the Cinemas or the eyesore360 if it ever gets built.
[quote][p][bold]Bill Giles[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rolivan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bristol VR[/bold] wrote: Some inetersting questions and good answers as davyboy says... pity it's been let down by the ponitless rubbish in the comments afterwards! We enjoy an excellent and second to none bus service in this city. Yes it might be a monopoly bus company but I very much doubt it would be any cheaper or any better if there was another operator in the town. In fact it would end up in the disorganised chaos that happened when the buses were de regulated in the late 70's early 80s with duplicated routes and no proper idea of how much it costs to get from a to b on a bus. I say to those moaning about Brighton & Hove Buses... go and live in Cornwall and wait two hours for a bus from Padstow to Wadebridge for £4 single! That is what I call a pricey infrequent and bad service![/p][/quote]You mention duplicated routes why do so many buses go along western rd and up and down north st[/p][/quote]Maybe it's because that's where the majority of passengers are travelling to.[/p][/quote]That is my point,why do all of the buses have to pass through there why can't some stop at Old Steine and Palmeira Sq with Shuttle buses running inbetween and some run along the seafront.How are people expected to get to the Cinemas or the eyesore360 if it ever gets built. rolivan
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5:31pm Sun 14 Oct 12

davyboy says...

rolivan wrote:
Bill Giles wrote:
rolivan wrote:
Bristol VR wrote:
Some inetersting questions and good answers as davyboy says... pity it's been let down by the ponitless rubbish in the comments afterwards!

We enjoy an excellent and second to none bus service in this city. Yes it might be a monopoly bus company but I very much doubt it would be any cheaper or any better if there was another operator in the town. In fact it would end up in the disorganised chaos that happened when the buses were de regulated in the late 70's early 80s with duplicated routes and no proper idea of how much it costs to get from a to b on a bus.
I say to those moaning about Brighton & Hove Buses... go and live in Cornwall and wait two hours for a bus from Padstow to Wadebridge for £4 single! That is what I call a pricey infrequent and bad service!
You mention duplicated routes why do so many buses go along western rd and up and down north st
Maybe it's because that's where the majority of passengers are travelling to.
That is my point,why do all of the buses have to pass through there why can't some stop at Old Steine and Palmeira Sq with Shuttle buses running inbetween and some run along the seafront.How are people expected to get to the Cinemas or the eyesore360 if it ever gets built.
there are only 2 routes across the city centre. western rd/north st, or the seafront. as mr french pointed out, the seafront is not where people want to be, so all routes go along western rd. if there really was a need for a seafront service, one of the 2 companies would have got it up and running, but even stagecoach can't see the point of it.people would rather stroll along along the front, than catch a bus. if a driver has just started his shift, it will be difficult to change a £20 note, as he only carries a £20 float. it isn't £4.20 return into town, as there are no return fares. the options are; single fare, or day saver, of which the saver is best value. there are also short hop single fares available throughout the city, just ask the driver.
[quote][p][bold]rolivan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bill Giles[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rolivan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bristol VR[/bold] wrote: Some inetersting questions and good answers as davyboy says... pity it's been let down by the ponitless rubbish in the comments afterwards! We enjoy an excellent and second to none bus service in this city. Yes it might be a monopoly bus company but I very much doubt it would be any cheaper or any better if there was another operator in the town. In fact it would end up in the disorganised chaos that happened when the buses were de regulated in the late 70's early 80s with duplicated routes and no proper idea of how much it costs to get from a to b on a bus. I say to those moaning about Brighton & Hove Buses... go and live in Cornwall and wait two hours for a bus from Padstow to Wadebridge for £4 single! That is what I call a pricey infrequent and bad service![/p][/quote]You mention duplicated routes why do so many buses go along western rd and up and down north st[/p][/quote]Maybe it's because that's where the majority of passengers are travelling to.[/p][/quote]That is my point,why do all of the buses have to pass through there why can't some stop at Old Steine and Palmeira Sq with Shuttle buses running inbetween and some run along the seafront.How are people expected to get to the Cinemas or the eyesore360 if it ever gets built.[/p][/quote]there are only 2 routes across the city centre. western rd/north st, or the seafront. as mr french pointed out, the seafront is not where people want to be, so all routes go along western rd. if there really was a need for a seafront service, one of the 2 companies would have got it up and running, but even stagecoach can't see the point of it.people would rather stroll along along the front, than catch a bus. if a driver has just started his shift, it will be difficult to change a £20 note, as he only carries a £20 float. it isn't £4.20 return into town, as there are no return fares. the options are; single fare, or day saver, of which the saver is best value. there are also short hop single fares available throughout the city, just ask the driver. davyboy
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5:46pm Sun 14 Oct 12

Bill Giles says...

rolivan wrote:
Bill Giles wrote:
rolivan wrote:
Bristol VR wrote:
Some inetersting questions and good answers as davyboy says... pity it's been let down by the ponitless rubbish in the comments afterwards!

We enjoy an excellent and second to none bus service in this city. Yes it might be a monopoly bus company but I very much doubt it would be any cheaper or any better if there was another operator in the town. In fact it would end up in the disorganised chaos that happened when the buses were de regulated in the late 70's early 80s with duplicated routes and no proper idea of how much it costs to get from a to b on a bus.
I say to those moaning about Brighton & Hove Buses... go and live in Cornwall and wait two hours for a bus from Padstow to Wadebridge for £4 single! That is what I call a pricey infrequent and bad service!
You mention duplicated routes why do so many buses go along western rd and up and down north st
Maybe it's because that's where the majority of passengers are travelling to.
That is my point,why do all of the buses have to pass through there why can't some stop at Old Steine and Palmeira Sq with Shuttle buses running inbetween and some run along the seafront.How are people expected to get to the Cinemas or the eyesore360 if it ever gets built.
That won't work - so if I want to travel from Kemp Town to Portslade I'd have to catch three buses (indluding a shittle bus). I suggest you leave bus route planning to the experts.
[quote][p][bold]rolivan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bill Giles[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rolivan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bristol VR[/bold] wrote: Some inetersting questions and good answers as davyboy says... pity it's been let down by the ponitless rubbish in the comments afterwards! We enjoy an excellent and second to none bus service in this city. Yes it might be a monopoly bus company but I very much doubt it would be any cheaper or any better if there was another operator in the town. In fact it would end up in the disorganised chaos that happened when the buses were de regulated in the late 70's early 80s with duplicated routes and no proper idea of how much it costs to get from a to b on a bus. I say to those moaning about Brighton & Hove Buses... go and live in Cornwall and wait two hours for a bus from Padstow to Wadebridge for £4 single! That is what I call a pricey infrequent and bad service![/p][/quote]You mention duplicated routes why do so many buses go along western rd and up and down north st[/p][/quote]Maybe it's because that's where the majority of passengers are travelling to.[/p][/quote]That is my point,why do all of the buses have to pass through there why can't some stop at Old Steine and Palmeira Sq with Shuttle buses running inbetween and some run along the seafront.How are people expected to get to the Cinemas or the eyesore360 if it ever gets built.[/p][/quote]That won't work - so if I want to travel from Kemp Town to Portslade I'd have to catch three buses (indluding a shittle bus). I suggest you leave bus route planning to the experts. Bill Giles
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6:01pm Sun 14 Oct 12

Brightonscouse2 says...

rolivan wrote:
Bill Giles wrote:
rolivan wrote:
Bristol VR wrote:
Some inetersting questions and good answers as davyboy says... pity it's been let down by the ponitless rubbish in the comments afterwards!

We enjoy an excellent and second to none bus service in this city. Yes it might be a monopoly bus company but I very much doubt it would be any cheaper or any better if there was another operator in the town. In fact it would end up in the disorganised chaos that happened when the buses were de regulated in the late 70's early 80s with duplicated routes and no proper idea of how much it costs to get from a to b on a bus.
I say to those moaning about Brighton & Hove Buses... go and live in Cornwall and wait two hours for a bus from Padstow to Wadebridge for £4 single! That is what I call a pricey infrequent and bad service!
You mention duplicated routes why do so many buses go along western rd and up and down north st
Maybe it's because that's where the majority of passengers are travelling to.
That is my point,why do all of the buses have to pass through there why can't some stop at Old Steine and Palmeira Sq with Shuttle buses running inbetween and some run along the seafront.How are people expected to get to the Cinemas or the eyesore360 if it ever gets built.
I never understand this ode of shuttle buses. Say some buses did terminate at The Steine or Palmeira Square. You'd then have the same amount of passengers transferring onto the same amount of buses, just to get from the two terminus'. This wouldn't decrease the amount of buses on the road. It would in fact increase it.
[quote][p][bold]rolivan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bill Giles[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rolivan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bristol VR[/bold] wrote: Some inetersting questions and good answers as davyboy says... pity it's been let down by the ponitless rubbish in the comments afterwards! We enjoy an excellent and second to none bus service in this city. Yes it might be a monopoly bus company but I very much doubt it would be any cheaper or any better if there was another operator in the town. In fact it would end up in the disorganised chaos that happened when the buses were de regulated in the late 70's early 80s with duplicated routes and no proper idea of how much it costs to get from a to b on a bus. I say to those moaning about Brighton & Hove Buses... go and live in Cornwall and wait two hours for a bus from Padstow to Wadebridge for £4 single! That is what I call a pricey infrequent and bad service![/p][/quote]You mention duplicated routes why do so many buses go along western rd and up and down north st[/p][/quote]Maybe it's because that's where the majority of passengers are travelling to.[/p][/quote]That is my point,why do all of the buses have to pass through there why can't some stop at Old Steine and Palmeira Sq with Shuttle buses running inbetween and some run along the seafront.How are people expected to get to the Cinemas or the eyesore360 if it ever gets built.[/p][/quote]I never understand this ode of shuttle buses. Say some buses did terminate at The Steine or Palmeira Square. You'd then have the same amount of passengers transferring onto the same amount of buses, just to get from the two terminus'. This wouldn't decrease the amount of buses on the road. It would in fact increase it. Brightonscouse2
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7:01pm Sun 14 Oct 12

Maxwell's Ghost says...

I shall ask the driver in future, but I have to say I've never been offered a short fare.
I shall ask the driver in future, but I have to say I've never been offered a short fare. Maxwell's Ghost
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8:48pm Sun 14 Oct 12

george smith says...

davyboy wrote:
rolivan wrote:
Bill Giles wrote:
rolivan wrote:
Bristol VR wrote: Some inetersting questions and good answers as davyboy says... pity it's been let down by the ponitless rubbish in the comments afterwards! We enjoy an excellent and second to none bus service in this city. Yes it might be a monopoly bus company but I very much doubt it would be any cheaper or any better if there was another operator in the town. In fact it would end up in the disorganised chaos that happened when the buses were de regulated in the late 70's early 80s with duplicated routes and no proper idea of how much it costs to get from a to b on a bus. I say to those moaning about Brighton & Hove Buses... go and live in Cornwall and wait two hours for a bus from Padstow to Wadebridge for £4 single! That is what I call a pricey infrequent and bad service!
You mention duplicated routes why do so many buses go along western rd and up and down north st
Maybe it's because that's where the majority of passengers are travelling to.
That is my point,why do all of the buses have to pass through there why can't some stop at Old Steine and Palmeira Sq with Shuttle buses running inbetween and some run along the seafront.How are people expected to get to the Cinemas or the eyesore360 if it ever gets built.
there are only 2 routes across the city centre. western rd/north st, or the seafront. as mr french pointed out, the seafront is not where people want to be, so all routes go along western rd. if there really was a need for a seafront service, one of the 2 companies would have got it up and running, but even stagecoach can't see the point of it.people would rather stroll along along the front, than catch a bus. if a driver has just started his shift, it will be difficult to change a £20 note, as he only carries a £20 float. it isn't £4.20 return into town, as there are no return fares. the options are; single fare, or day saver, of which the saver is best value. there are also short hop single fares available throughout the city, just ask the driver.
You are to the bus company, what H jarrs is to the greens
[quote][p][bold]davyboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rolivan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bill Giles[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rolivan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bristol VR[/bold] wrote: Some inetersting questions and good answers as davyboy says... pity it's been let down by the ponitless rubbish in the comments afterwards! We enjoy an excellent and second to none bus service in this city. Yes it might be a monopoly bus company but I very much doubt it would be any cheaper or any better if there was another operator in the town. In fact it would end up in the disorganised chaos that happened when the buses were de regulated in the late 70's early 80s with duplicated routes and no proper idea of how much it costs to get from a to b on a bus. I say to those moaning about Brighton & Hove Buses... go and live in Cornwall and wait two hours for a bus from Padstow to Wadebridge for £4 single! That is what I call a pricey infrequent and bad service![/p][/quote]You mention duplicated routes why do so many buses go along western rd and up and down north st[/p][/quote]Maybe it's because that's where the majority of passengers are travelling to.[/p][/quote]That is my point,why do all of the buses have to pass through there why can't some stop at Old Steine and Palmeira Sq with Shuttle buses running inbetween and some run along the seafront.How are people expected to get to the Cinemas or the eyesore360 if it ever gets built.[/p][/quote]there are only 2 routes across the city centre. western rd/north st, or the seafront. as mr french pointed out, the seafront is not where people want to be, so all routes go along western rd. if there really was a need for a seafront service, one of the 2 companies would have got it up and running, but even stagecoach can't see the point of it.people would rather stroll along along the front, than catch a bus. if a driver has just started his shift, it will be difficult to change a £20 note, as he only carries a £20 float. it isn't £4.20 return into town, as there are no return fares. the options are; single fare, or day saver, of which the saver is best value. there are also short hop single fares available throughout the city, just ask the driver.[/p][/quote]You are to the bus company, what H jarrs is to the greens george smith
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10:00pm Sun 14 Oct 12

ghost bus driver says...

Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
The last time i got on the bus it was £4.20 for a return (all day)from the Lewes Road.
I gave the driver a £20 note for the £8.40 fare and he got in a right huff and had a little outburst and refused to take the money. Other passengers came to the front of the bus to offer change and he got the nark and said we had to get off as he didn't have time.
Anmd I can tell you at no time from the Lewes Road have I ever been offered a short stop fare. Ever.
Perhaps someone can road test it. And if you ever have the misfortune of waiting for the 81 you have more chance of catching a bus to Cornwall than relying on this service.
God help anyone living at the top of any hills in this town and god help anyone who ends up in eco town Toad Hole because you will never get off the mountain on public transport.
The Centre fare extends up to The Avenue now. That's why you can't get a short HOP (see? Short hop not short stop) from outside the garage. Plus if we can't change the note we're not supposed to refuse travel we're supposed to wait til we have change and then change it if we can.

And another thing. The alleged monopoly is broken and has been since Compass started operating things. so your monopoly argument is a bit out dated (like some of our buses lol)
[quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: The last time i got on the bus it was £4.20 for a return (all day)from the Lewes Road. I gave the driver a £20 note for the £8.40 fare and he got in a right huff and had a little outburst and refused to take the money. Other passengers came to the front of the bus to offer change and he got the nark and said we had to get off as he didn't have time. Anmd I can tell you at no time from the Lewes Road have I ever been offered a short stop fare. Ever. Perhaps someone can road test it. And if you ever have the misfortune of waiting for the 81 you have more chance of catching a bus to Cornwall than relying on this service. God help anyone living at the top of any hills in this town and god help anyone who ends up in eco town Toad Hole because you will never get off the mountain on public transport.[/p][/quote]The Centre fare extends up to The Avenue now. That's why you can't get a short HOP (see? Short hop not short stop) from outside the garage. Plus if we can't change the note we're not supposed to refuse travel we're supposed to wait til we have change and then change it if we can. And another thing. The alleged monopoly is broken and has been since Compass started operating things. so your monopoly argument is a bit out dated (like some of our buses lol) ghost bus driver
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10:03pm Sun 14 Oct 12

ghost bus driver says...

rolivan wrote:
Bill Giles wrote:
rolivan wrote:
Bristol VR wrote:
Some inetersting questions and good answers as davyboy says... pity it's been let down by the ponitless rubbish in the comments afterwards!

We enjoy an excellent and second to none bus service in this city. Yes it might be a monopoly bus company but I very much doubt it would be any cheaper or any better if there was another operator in the town. In fact it would end up in the disorganised chaos that happened when the buses were de regulated in the late 70's early 80s with duplicated routes and no proper idea of how much it costs to get from a to b on a bus.
I say to those moaning about Brighton & Hove Buses... go and live in Cornwall and wait two hours for a bus from Padstow to Wadebridge for £4 single! That is what I call a pricey infrequent and bad service!
You mention duplicated routes why do so many buses go along western rd and up and down north st
Maybe it's because that's where the majority of passengers are travelling to.
That is my point,why do all of the buses have to pass through there why can't some stop at Old Steine and Palmeira Sq with Shuttle buses running inbetween and some run along the seafront.How are people expected to get to the Cinemas or the eyesore360 if it ever gets built.
Would you change buses twice to get across town? Just along Western Road? I certainly wouldn't, plus Palmeira Square would be gridlocked as would the Steine. Now sending a third of buses along the seafront, and maybe some along Lansdowne would be a more sensible answer and would thin the buses out a bit.
[quote][p][bold]rolivan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bill Giles[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rolivan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bristol VR[/bold] wrote: Some inetersting questions and good answers as davyboy says... pity it's been let down by the ponitless rubbish in the comments afterwards! We enjoy an excellent and second to none bus service in this city. Yes it might be a monopoly bus company but I very much doubt it would be any cheaper or any better if there was another operator in the town. In fact it would end up in the disorganised chaos that happened when the buses were de regulated in the late 70's early 80s with duplicated routes and no proper idea of how much it costs to get from a to b on a bus. I say to those moaning about Brighton & Hove Buses... go and live in Cornwall and wait two hours for a bus from Padstow to Wadebridge for £4 single! That is what I call a pricey infrequent and bad service![/p][/quote]You mention duplicated routes why do so many buses go along western rd and up and down north st[/p][/quote]Maybe it's because that's where the majority of passengers are travelling to.[/p][/quote]That is my point,why do all of the buses have to pass through there why can't some stop at Old Steine and Palmeira Sq with Shuttle buses running inbetween and some run along the seafront.How are people expected to get to the Cinemas or the eyesore360 if it ever gets built.[/p][/quote]Would you change buses twice to get across town? Just along Western Road? I certainly wouldn't, plus Palmeira Square would be gridlocked as would the Steine. Now sending a third of buses along the seafront, and maybe some along Lansdowne would be a more sensible answer and would thin the buses out a bit. ghost bus driver
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10:07pm Sun 14 Oct 12

ghost bus driver says...

Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
So actually it's £2.10 for about five stops from Lewes Road into town, £4.20 return which sounds reasonable if you live a good distance away. If you live just a few stops from town it actually isn't good value.
Here is an example, I see old folk get on the bus at Elm Grove and hop on and off at the Sainsbury or the various stores along the Lews Road with their free passes. They do their shopping and return home with free passes.
Mums with buggies or working people can't do this as they will get whacked for the £4.20 return fare even though it's just a short distance as there is such a rigid charging system.
Also your single ticket to a destination is only good if you don't have to change buses as then you have to buy another ticket and another fare or pay the all day full whack.
It's just odd.
It hasn't been £4.20 for a couple of years. £4.40 now mate, or £3.50 for a SuperSaver if you get one of those Key cards. If you're in the centre fare zone then it's cheaper if you buy two singles. I think a two journey ticket for £3 would be a good answer. It could be printed in two parts and the driver punches one when you get on the second bus.
[quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: So actually it's £2.10 for about five stops from Lewes Road into town, £4.20 return which sounds reasonable if you live a good distance away. If you live just a few stops from town it actually isn't good value. Here is an example, I see old folk get on the bus at Elm Grove and hop on and off at the Sainsbury or the various stores along the Lews Road with their free passes. They do their shopping and return home with free passes. Mums with buggies or working people can't do this as they will get whacked for the £4.20 return fare even though it's just a short distance as there is such a rigid charging system. Also your single ticket to a destination is only good if you don't have to change buses as then you have to buy another ticket and another fare or pay the all day full whack. It's just odd.[/p][/quote]It hasn't been £4.20 for a couple of years. £4.40 now mate, or £3.50 for a SuperSaver if you get one of those Key cards. If you're in the centre fare zone then it's cheaper if you buy two singles. I think a two journey ticket for £3 would be a good answer. It could be printed in two parts and the driver punches one when you get on the second bus. ghost bus driver
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9:17pm Thu 18 Oct 12

remluf says...

Roger French will retire next year.
Roger French will retire next year. remluf
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9:19pm Thu 18 Oct 12

remluf says...

rolivan wrote:
When you have a Monopoly like B&HB&CC you can afford to fine tune it to your needs in the knowledge that nobody else can afford to try and improve it for the Customers.
They do not hace a monopoly.
[quote][p][bold]rolivan[/bold] wrote: When you have a Monopoly like B&HB&CC you can afford to fine tune it to your needs in the knowledge that nobody else can afford to try and improve it for the Customers.[/p][/quote]They do not hace a monopoly. remluf
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