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Atheist banned from committee on religious education

2:12pm Thursday 22nd March 2007

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By Simon Barrett »

An atheist has spoken of his dismay after being sidelined from discussions on how religion is taught in schools.

Former teacher Andrew Edmondson attempted to win a place on the West Sussex County Council's advisory committee for religious education but was denied by a majority vote.

Mr Edmondson, a humanist, believes people can lead their lives without religion and use reason to explain the world and solve problems.

Despite giving a presentation on humanism to members they voted against allowing him a place on the committee.

Mr Edmondson, of Balcombe, said: "Despite the detailed presentation I gave them, they likened humanism to minority religions such as pagans and scientologists.

"They failed to understand that humanism is the voice of reason, necessary to balance supernatural beliefs. Our children should be given a choice in schools and not railroaded into believing one thing or another.

"It is appalling that children in West Sussex are not taught that there is an alternative to religion. There is nothing stopping any school from teaching non-religious views. Schools should surely try to encourage reason."

Mr Edmondson argued that a humanist representative on the committee would speak for the non-religious people of West Sussex. He said recent polls had shown 62 per cent of people preferred humanist explanations to religious ones and 65 per cent of young people, aged between 12 and 19, were atheist or agnostic.

He said: "This is a missed opportunity for West Sussex and is contrary to the Human Rights Act. Children have a right to learn non-religious views."

The Qualifications and Curriculum Authority recommends the inclusion of humanism in order to provide a broad and balanced curriculum.

Only two groups on the committee supported Mr Edmondson's application - the teachers and the Church of England which has a policy of inclusion.

Those who voted against included West Sussex County Council representatives, headteachers and minority religions.

British Humanist Association spokesman Andrew Copson said: "Humanists have made a significant contribution to religious education over the last few decades. It is sad that the West Sussex committee does not seem to have recognised this and has missed an opportunity to take an inclusive approach.

"If religious education is to be a meaningful subject for all then those whose values are not religious must be included."

Committee chairwoman Margaret Collins said: "Following a lengthy debate lasting three meetings including a presentation from Mr Edmondson the committee decided by a majority vote not to include a non-religious organisation within its membership."

A West Sussex County Council spokesman added that secondary schools already included humanist views in the curriculum.

Should atheist be allowed a say in religious education? Have your say below.

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Paula Bowman, Burgess Hill says...
2:30pm Thu 22 Mar 07

I agree that an atheist should NOT be allowed a say in religious education. Why would they want to? if only to further their views and causes in this field and make sure a positive view of religion is hampered and questioned.

LB, Hove says...
3:04pm Thu 22 Mar 07

Paula - I'd say that the majority of your arguments could equally be used to prevent anyone religious being involved in the process.

It's all special interest groups trying to get their world view imposed on others in the end :-(

Drakim, Norway says...
3:44pm Thu 22 Mar 07

Religious education is not about learning which religion is right.

It is about learning better understanding of different religions. How can you understand black if you don't know about white?

C.T, seaford says...
3:48pm Thu 22 Mar 07

of course atheists should be allowed a say in religious education. children should not be forced into learning about religion if they dont feel it is a necessary part of their life. religion doesnt govern everything.

Jane Langley, West Worthing (Goring Actually) says...
4:11pm Thu 22 Mar 07

Why on earth was a Humanist voted off when the minority religions were represented? I am forever explaining to my daughter that religion is a faith and not a fact. Her school do not differentiate in their teaching and she takes what is presented to her as 'gospel'. Our household is aethiest, humanist and I wish this was reflected in the council that we pay taxes for.

James, Brighton says...
4:40pm Thu 22 Mar 07

Just another sad example of fear excluding from the table someone who does not subscribe to ancient mythology, and believes that children should have a CHOICE.

Thankfully, this decision will not stand up in court.

Don't pray in my school, and I won't think in your church.

Atheista, says...
8:19pm Thu 22 Mar 07

www.atheistactivist.org

Martin Luther King, Brighton says...
1:18am Fri 23 Mar 07

I have a dream...that Brighton and Hove Albion will have a brand spanking new stadium built at falmer.

AH AH AH AH AH CREEEEEEEPPPS!!!


Andrew Edmondson, Balcombe says...
9:23am Fri 23 Mar 07

I submitted this article by mistake. It was a rough early draft and I clicked the wrong file when emailing it! The BHA never made those comments and will be extremely angry when they find out. The comments were inserted as a joke whilst waiting for Andrew Copson to make a statement. The Argus did not send me a copy of the article before publication. Nor did they check the sources. I have asked them to print an apology. The correct article can be found at my website MidSussexFreethinkers dot org dot uk (I cannot put a link in this forum).

Andrew Edmondson, Balcombe says...
9:26am Fri 23 Mar 07

www.MidSussexFreethinkers.org.uk

Andrew Edmondson, Balcombe says...
10:12am Fri 23 Mar 07

You can find the correct article printed in the Mid Sussex Times yesterday. It should be on their website in a few days too.

LB, Hove says...
11:18am Fri 23 Mar 07

So you made up some quotes and then tried to get the BHA to agree to them, which they refused to do?

and you're now trying to say they were put in as a joke?

I'm not sure which is worse, really.







N.Harris, Worthing says...
5:46pm Fri 23 Mar 07

I was appalled but unsurprised to see that an atheist/ humanist was excluded from a committee on religious education. How about removing beleivers in an interventionist god from NHS waiting lists. Surely they don't want to oppose the will of god. All religions are based on unproven and unproveable nonsense and should not be encouraged by intelligent people.

Andrew Edmondson, Balcombe says...
8:10pm Fri 23 Mar 07

You misunderstand. The BHA quotes are genuine apart from this one: British Humanist Association spokesman Andrew Copson yesterday called the decision "narrow-minded, bigoted and stupid."

Irene, says...
6:03pm Thu 29 Mar 07

Of course an atheist should be allowed. After all is a valid opinion on religion whether the believers like it or not.

James, Amsterdam says...
4:16pm Wed 18 Apr 07

It is obvious to me why the man was not allowed on the committee. All children of the Abrahamic god are the most prejudiced among humans.

The force their myth upon the world in the most horrifying ways and yet still claim to be moral and kind.

If they were secure in their beliefs then they wouldn't result to bullying, cheating, lying, and in the case of the US Presidential election, stealing.

Cllr Gavin Ayling, Shoreham-by-Sea says...
9:24am Tue 24 Apr 07

Many of the other commenters here have it right. Religious education has a place in school because it is useful for children to learn about myths and the myths other people believe in, but religious education should not be treated as an opportunity to give sermons.

All you need to know about organised religion is made clear by the exclusion of someone who doesn't doesn't believe.

Chris, hove says...
2:20pm Tue 24 Apr 07

I find it quite interesting that there are lots of people are unhappy that the humanist view is being dicounted while the 'religious' view isn't, and how unfair it is. It's notable that many seem to have forgotten that the CoE group actually supported the inclusion, rather than voted against it. I suspect that many who voted against hold agnostic or atheistic views rather than theistic views.

Andrew Edmondson, says...
1:33pm Wed 23 May 07

I am glad to see that the misquote from Andrew Copson of the BHA ihas been removed from the article. It's a shame it has taken this long for The Argus to remove it.
Chris, the C of E representative voted for inclusion, but all the other religious denominations voted against. The only secular votes came from the teacher representative (for) and the Council (against). The most vociferous opposition was from the minority religious groups.

I am about to write to every school in Sussex requesting information regarding their policy of inclusion, and to offer the services of the BHA. See my website www.MidSussexFreethi
nkers.org.uk for details (we will be having our first meeting this summer, to discuss the way forward in Sussex).

Mesfin, Ethiopia says...
3:55pm Thu 5 Jul 07

I am not from Sussex and I in fact dont have a clear idea of the cpmposition of the council which voted agianst the inclusion of atheists. however it just goes to show that how religion is opposing reason and perpetuating ignorance in the schools which after all are expected to shape the next genration which, the way things are going now, could turn out to be even more ignorant than the present generation. And that is how we sustain and even assist fundmantalism grow and take root.

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