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9:46am Friday 28th December 2007

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By Katya Mira »

A barber shop forced to advertise itself as a chemist because of planning laws has now been told it is breaching medical laws.

Rob Anderson and Dave Banks, of Trafalgar Barbers, have become trapped in an increasingly bizarre web of red tape.

During renovations to the property in Trafalgar Street, Brighton, a 1930s fascia was uncovered with "J. Barker", "dispensing chemist" and "practical phrenologist" carved in ornate gold leaf writing.

They were then told by planning officers from the city council they must keep the old sign as it is protected by conservation laws - even though it advertised the wrong kind of business.

Then last week the barbers received a letter from the Royal Pharmaceutical Society of Great Britain saying it was illegal to advertise themselves as a "dispensing chemists" when they weren't.

The letter said it would take further action unless the sign, which contravened the Medicines Act 1968, was taken down. It added society representatives had been in contact with the council who had given permission for the sign to be taken down as long as it was replaced with a similar wood-carved sign with gold lettering.

Mr Anderson, 42, said this could cost up to £1,000 - money the new business did not have - and they had already spent £500 on their own sign with their own logo.

He said: "The council has made us break the law. It feels like we are in a nowin situation and it is all a bit bizarre.

"We never wanted the sign in the first place but were told we had no choice.

Now we are being told we have to take it down and pay for another one.

"We are told we have to preserve the cultural heritage of the area but all the other shops in the area have the signs they want above the door."

A spokeswoman for the council said: "We have been in discussion with the owner of the building over the restoration and alteration of this important and attractive historic shopfront.

"The fascia sign has been taken down by the owner for renovation prior to reinstatement.

"The council would wish to see the retention of this important architectural feature or its replacement with new lettering of the same materials and design advertising a new occupier's business."

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Brian, Hove says...
11:57am Fri 28 Dec 07

Absolutely farcical!!! It is, however, unsurprising given the state of bureaucracy in this crazy country. For pity's sake, it's hard enough to run a business as it is, without having to deal with this idiocy. Roll on the revolution, I say!

ROY, brighton says...
12:14pm Fri 28 Dec 07

Quite right, Brian.Usual story. Nosey councillors with nothing else to do.Wish they would try to run the town instead of pokeing their noses into people trying to earn a living. That lot wont be happy untill we are all unemployed and selling the big issue, and then they would try to stop that.

ed, brighton says...
12:19pm Fri 28 Dec 07

How absurd this is, altho its just typical of the do good council an old sign must be saved, oh christ, its the 21st century, just rip it out and let them replace it with thier own sign.


Ken, Brighton says...
12:21pm Fri 28 Dec 07

Especially when you consider that Trafalgar Street has been in a run down state for many years and it is only now that new businesses are bringing it back to life.

Maybe the council should insist on re-installing those hoardings that stood for many, many years? All those new shops and flats have taken away the 'ambience'.

Steve, Shoreham says...
12:32pm Fri 28 Dec 07

Spot on Brian. It's madness with this council. If they want to retain the original sign then they should contribute half of the costs these two guys have incurred.

Paul, Brighton says...
1:03pm Fri 28 Dec 07

I wonder if the council will be quite so rigid in their outlook when they are after our votes at the next elections? Probably bend over backwards for us if it'll get our votes!!

H, says...
1:46pm Fri 28 Dec 07

The Royal Pharmaceutical Society doesn't sound like it's anything to do with the council...

Spanish Gentleman, Trying to lever the methadone cabinet open says...
1:58pm Fri 28 Dec 07

Any town in Britain -

Someone MAY walk into that shop and ask for a prescription. They say "Sorry we dont do em we just have an old sign that looks nice". Prescription-wanter says "oh ok the sign looks nice I'll nip up to Boots then".

Brighton -

all hell breaks loose.

Paul, Brighton Seafront says...
3:54pm Fri 28 Dec 07

Tesco were 'lucky' that they were able to go-ahead with demolishing the front of their Express store.

To put a positive spin on things, they have something unique which can be marketed and they are enjoying cheap/free publicity.

Barnie, Queens Park says...
5:28pm Fri 28 Dec 07

Can I nominate these two in the Most boring old farts of 2007 award.

NORTH LAINE TRADER, Hove says...
5:47pm Fri 28 Dec 07

Its a conservation area if you dont want to abide by the rules don't get a shop in the North Laines.

dog, hove seafront says...
6:32pm Fri 28 Dec 07

while its great to see something so well preserved from the past, the sign had been hidden and protected for tens of years by another boarded sign. the j barker front was only discovered when it was torn down during renovation. whats wrong with just putting new signage over it as no one cared until it was discovered? it will then be protected for another 70 years for the next set of do gooders to ponder, thats if any of the north laine is left and not taken over by starbucks, next, tesco etc etc

grumpy, hove says...
7:09pm Fri 28 Dec 07

If Tesco take it over for yet another Express, they'll whack the sign down and the council will let them off again.

Andrew, Patcham says...
8:15pm Fri 28 Dec 07

It seems to me that the sensible compromise would be for the owners to turn the shop into a dispensing chemists.

That's got to be the best option. Presumably the barber's have "something for the weekend" so they've already got a head start with their stock.....



Flat Foot Soozie, Brunswick Square says...
10:05pm Fri 28 Dec 07

These barbers could get round the chemists side of things by claiming that they regularly ask, "something for the weekend, sir?"

Smudge, Caribbean says...
2:11pm Sat 29 Dec 07

Dave Banks supports dirty Leeds!

graham, says...
7:04pm Sat 29 Dec 07

NORTH LAINE TRADER wrote:
Its a conservation area if you dont want to abide by the rules don't get a shop in the North Laines.
if you were a genuine north laine trader you'd probably know it's not the north laines - it's the north laine. the word means field and the streets that form the north laine area were built on the field of the same name - the north laine.

fred, Brighton says...
11:31pm Sat 29 Dec 07

I've seen several shop renovations in the North Laine reveal old shop signs - eg the new Infinity Foods extension uncovered a sign saying 'Channel Laundry' - usually these are just boarded over again with no fuss. What's so different about this one?

georgy girl, shoreham says...
2:44pm Sun 30 Dec 07

fred wrote:
I\'ve seen several shop renovations in the North Laine reveal old shop signs - eg the new Infinity Foods extension uncovered a sign saying \'Channel Laundry\' - usually these are just boarded over again with no fuss. What\'s so different about this one?
firstly.the shop is not being run by any friends or family of the councillors,or it would have been overlooked.secondly,

it was spotted and reported to the council,either by a councill worker,some spitefull do gooder or a competitor.lastly why dont the councill make every other shop reveal what is under there signs.like fred i have seen other signs with old signs underneath.why just pick on these guys?tottally unfair

Flat Foot Soozie, Brunswick Square says...
6:02pm Sun 30 Dec 07

Look at the horrible thing Tesco got away with in Western Road.

But of course there's more money in horrible groceries than in cutting hair...

NORTH LAINE TRADER, Hove says...
8:56pm Sun 30 Dec 07

graham wrote:
NORTH LAINE TRADER wrote: Its a conservation area if you dont want to abide by the rules don't get a shop in the North Laines.
if you were a genuine north laine trader you'd probably know it's not the north laines - it's the north laine. the word means field and the streets that form the north laine area were built on the field of the same name - the north laine.
Brilliant Graham how did you work out I was impersonating a North Laine Trader? surely not just by the casual use of an s.

John, Brunswick says...
12:40pm Mon 31 Dec 07

Actually Tesco didn't get away with it at "Palmeira Grande". They were required to keep the historic windows, and when they demolished them instead, they were made to restore their appearance.

Flat Foot Soozie, Brunswick Square says...
4:32pm Mon 31 Dec 07

John wrote:
Actually Tesco didn't get away with it at "Palmeira Grande". They were required to keep the historic windows, and when they demolished them instead, they were made to restore their appearance.
The current appearance is nothing like the original window frames. They are a travesty. Typical of Councillors Elgood and Watkins round here to settle for such tat.

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