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Fingerprints could pay for school lunches

10:07am Monday 3rd March 2008

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By Andy Robbins »

Pupils at a Sussex secondary school could soon be paying for their lunch using their fingerprints.

Youngsters at Warden Park School in Cuckfield could also soon be borrowing library books and paying for photocopying by swiping their thumb over a computer screen.

Parents have been invited to share their thoughts on the idea.

The biometric technology could be introduced at the school as early as June if parents support the proposals.

Using pupils' fingerprints in schools has been criticised by many MPs, including Sussex Conservatives Nick Gibb and Tim Loughton, who fear sensitive information about children could fall into the wrong hands.

Mr Loughton, MP for East Worthing and Shoreham, has said it is another step towards a surveillance society.

VeriCool, one of the companies which provides biometric technology to schools, said the system was safe and efficient.

Warden Park headteacher Steve Johnson said hundreds of schools in the region now used the technology.

He said: "We have decided to consult with parents first to find out what they think.

"Everything is done by swiping your thumb across a screen.

We've been to other schools which use biometric technology to see what it is all about."

A VeriCool spokesman said the information used in the technology is based on converting thumbprints into binary codes which would mean nothing to anyone other than the computer system.

Paul Coase, the business development director, said there were clear guidelines on data security after parents, schools and MPs had pressed the Government to clarify how information would be used.

He said guidelines from the Department for Children, Schools and Families made it clear data could not be passed to any third party organisations.

Mr Coase said: "We received a lot of enquiries on this subject and we welcome the fact the guidelines are in place at last to reassure parents and schools that pupil information is secure and collected by consent."

He said using a cashless system in schools could reduce bullying and children stealing other pupils' dinner money. Parents could top up their children's accounts and monitor what they spent the credit on.

He said this would encourage healthy eating and stop youngsters from buying junk food.

Mr Coase said biometric technology had proven hugely popular with schools who now used it in libraries as well as for catering.

A spokesman for the Department for Children, Schools and Families said schools had collected sensitive data, such as home addresses and registers, for many years before the introduction of biometric technology.

He said: "It is up to each individual school, though, whether they choose to use biometric systems and data.

"Most schools now use it in one form or another.

"It has proven helpful in many situations, such as those who have free school dinners, where it removes the stigma.

"It also helps parents whose children have allergies keep track of what their children have been eating."

Do you think biometric technology should be used in schools? Tell us below

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flat foot soozie, brunswick square says...
10:54am Mon 3 Mar 08

another imposter

LB, Hove says...
11:23am Mon 3 Mar 08

information used in the technology is based on converting thumbprints into binary codes which would mean nothing to anyone other than the computer system.


there are 10 types of people in the world, those that understand binary and those that don't.

NO to ID, says...
11:26am Mon 3 Mar 08

" Department for Children, Schools and Families made it clear data could not be passed to any third party organisations "

And this means it won't happen.. Doesn't it...

More creeping '1984' big brother crap.

Brightonspeaking, Brighton says...
11:37am Mon 3 Mar 08

Fab idea! It will help with Bullying. As in Children will not have money stolen from them!

Jake, Hove says...
12:33pm Mon 3 Mar 08

The bullies could cut their fingers off instead.

Sherman, Brighton says...
1:51pm Mon 3 Mar 08

Tim Loughton MP don't like it then.

But hang on, isn't Tim chairman of Classwatch Ltd? A company which sells CCTV and microphones to schools to spy on pupils!

Sherman, Brighton says...
2:06pm Mon 3 Mar 08

VeriCool has partnered up with Capita Education Services, who boast a client base of over 22,500 British schools - and 5,000 are already using VeriCool compatible software.

Parent company, Anteon, currently runs interrogation and counterintelligence courses at US Army Intelligence Centre headquarters, Fort Huachuca in Arizona.

How blatant can the government make it that Britain is becoming a nation of suspects, where personal data can be accessed without just reason in a complete surveillance society, while they reward corporations that are willing to push the limits of human decency.

sherman, Brighton says...
2:20pm Mon 3 Mar 08

"Parsons was Winston's fellow employee at the Ministry of Truth. He was a fattish but active man of paralyzing stupidity, a mass of imbecile enthusiasms—one of those completely unquestioning, devoted drudges on whom, more even than on the thought police, the stability of the Party depended."

Sherman, Brighton says...
2:22pm Mon 3 Mar 08

"Nearly all children nowadays were horrible. What was worst of all was that by means of such organizations as the Spies they were systematically turned into ungovernable little savages, and yet this produced in them no tendency whatever to rebel against the discipline of the Party. On the contrary, they adored the Party and everything connected with it… All their ferocity was turned outwards, against the enemies of the State, against foreigners, traitors, saboteurs, thought-criminals. It was almost normal for people over thirty to be frightened of their own children." —pg 24

Sherman, Brighton says...
2:26pm Mon 3 Mar 08

"And if all others accepted the lie which the Party imposed—if all records told the same tale—then the lie passed into history and became truth. 'Who controls the past' ran the Party slogan, 'controls the future: who controls the present controls the past.'" —pg 32

Sherman, Brighton says...
2:27pm Mon 3 Mar 08

"It was terribly dangerous to let your thoughts wander when you were in any public place or within range of a telescreen. The smallest thing could igve you away. A nervous tic, an unconscious look of anxiety, a habit of muttering to yourself—anything that carried with it the suggestion of abnormality, of having something to hide. In any case, to wear an improper expression on your face… was itself a punishable offense. There was even a word for it in Newspeak: facecrime…" —pg 54

Sherman, 609-030 says...
2:29pm Mon 3 Mar 08

"If there was hope, it must lie in the proles, because only there, in those swarming disregarded masses, eighty-five percent of the population of Oceania, could the force to destroy the Party ever be generated." —pg 60

"Until the become conscious they will never rebel, and until after they they have rebelled they cannot become conscious." —pg 61, referring the proles

sherman, 612-835 says...
2:36pm Mon 3 Mar 08

"…to do anything that suggested a taste for solitude, even to go for a walk by yourself, was always slightly dangerous. There wasa word for it in Newspeak: ownlife…" —pg 70

Stroller, Hove says...
2:37pm Mon 3 Mar 08

Sherman has confirmed what I immediately suspected.

Any firm calling itself VeriCool must be dodgy.

Sherman, Brighton says...
2:41pm Mon 3 Mar 08

O'Brien: What are your feelings towards Big Brother?
Winston Smith: I hate him.
O'Brien: You must love him. It is not enough to obey him. You must love him.

Sherman, Brighton says...
2:44pm Mon 3 Mar 08

Winston Smith: Does Big Brother exist?
O'Brien: Of course he exists.
Winston Smith: Does he exist like you or me?
O'Brien: You do not exist.

Sherman, Brighton says...
2:47pm Mon 3 Mar 08

In accordance to the principles of Doublethink, it does not matter if the war is not real, or when it is, that victory is not possible. The war is not meant to be won. It is meant to be continuous. The essential act of modern warfare is the destruction of the produce of human labor. A hierarchical society is only possible on the basis of poverty and ignorance. In principle, the war effort is always planned to keep society on the brink of starvation. The war is waged by the ruling group against its own subjects. And its object is not victory over Eurasia or Eastasia, but to keep the very structure of society intact. Julia? Are you awake? There is truth, and there is untruth. To be in a minority of one doesn't make you mad.

Sherman, Brighton says...
2:51pm Mon 3 Mar 08

Winston Smith: I love you.

concerned parent, Yorkshire says...
12:53pm Wed 5 Mar 08

parents & pupils find out the truth about the disgraceful practice of
fingerprinting in schools vist:
http://www.leavethem

kidsalone.com/

F Elliott, South Yorkshire says...
7:44pm Wed 5 Mar 08

"A spokesman for the Department for Children, Schools and Families said schools had collected sensitive data, such as home addresses and registers, for many years before the introduction of biometric technology."

Yes, but not biometrics. Names can change, passwords be altered etc. if compromised - try changing your fingerprint though.

Do your really want your child to grow up conditioned to give out their most sensitive personal information simply because someone in a 'position of authority' asks for it?


Come on people, these are our children - if we won't protect them, who will?

Bev Stringer, Leeds says...
11:08pm Wed 5 Mar 08

Yet another fine example of a massive waste of taxpayers money.

Typically biometric systems usually cost the British taxpayer between £20,000.00 to £30,000.00 plus costs. They serve absolutely no educational benefit to the students whatsoever.

Last year, a biometric "cashless" catering system was introduced at our local high school, the students have had to cope with no end of problems! Lunch queues are much slower. Food prices have sored from £1.80 to £5.00 a day!
So don't be fooled about the fact the children don't have to take money into school, they still do!
To pour extra into the terminals.

Students have experienced plenty of system failures, incorrect recognition readings, wrong meals etc etc

A complete waste of time & money with absolutely no benefits to the children whatsoever.

It is absolute lunacy to risk a child's identity in this way. A child's fingerprint is with them for their entire lifetime. Should the system become compromised, a fingerprint cannot be changed like a pin number.

Come on parents, look after your kids and say no to this madness!

George Aberdour, Haywards Heath says...
9:40am Thu 6 Mar 08

Any other Warden Park Parents out there object to this scheme and want to try and have it stopped ?

George Aberdour, Haywards Heath says...
10:30am Thu 6 Mar 08

Mr Coase said: "We received a lot of enquiries on this subject and we welcome the fact the guidelines are in place at last to reassure parents and schools that pupil information is secure and collected by consent."

So I don't give consent - any my daughter doesn't get lunch from the cafeteria, or books from the library - nice form of "consent".

George Aberdour, Haywards Heath says...
9:10am Fri 7 Mar 08

No So VeriCool.

Check this article out:
http://www.indymedia
.org.uk/en/2006/08/3
49348.html?c=on

Peter Carson, Sheffield Park says...
12:56am Sun 9 Mar 08

Alternatives such as swipe cards can be used alongside biometric systems. Is this being offered to parents and students who object to their dignity being eroded?

Peter Carson, Sheffield Park says...
1:01am Sun 9 Mar 08

George Aberdour, do not let them browbeat you. This happened to a friend of mine who's children were banned from school trips until he agreed to them being fingerprinted. This is all very sinister. I wish more parents would wake up, and above all I wish that the older students would also do like wise. There would have been riots over this at my old school of 25/30 years ago.

George Aberdour, Haywards Heath says...
11:10pm Sat 15 Mar 08

Thanks Peter - I have asked the school why they won't consider the use of swipe cards - still waiting on a reply. But I have been assured there will be an opt-out - but have not been given details.

I have written to our MP who has promised to take this issue up with the school, suggest all others concerned do the same:

soamesn@parliament.u
k

I have also found out that the parents "consulation" evening was very poorly attended. I know many parents were simply unaware this was happening.

Come on people - write to Steve Johnson at the school, write to our MP, and let's have this stopped.

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