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Teachers face £50 fine for smoking

5:48pm Tuesday 17th July 2007

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By Andy Chiles »

Teachers have been told they will be issued with £50 fines if they are caught smoking at their school even though pupils doing the same will escape with nothing more than a detention.

Tideway School in Newhaven has introduced the penalty charges as part of a strict anti-smoking regime.

The Association of Teachers and Lecturers (ATL) yesterday said this was the first system of its kind it had heard of in the country.

Headteacher Adrian Money, who said he was passionately against smoking, has banned all staff, pupils, parents and visitors from lighting up on his school site.

Signs have been put up around the buildings and anyone caught breaching the ban will be fined £50.

But Mr Money said the fines would be "all but impossible" to impose on the pupils, meaning they would really only apply to staff and visitors.

He said: "I can't imagine a situation in which we would fine students. Any of them caught smoking would be punished in the usual way with a detention or put on one of the smoking cessation sessions we run."

Smoking was banned by law from inside all work places, including pubs and clubs, on July 1. Many have responded by providing outdoor areas where people can go for a cigarette break.

Mr Money said smoking was not permitted anywhere inside or outside at Tideway and a CCTV system covering the whole school meant no-one would be able to sneak away for a smoke.

He said: "We encourage our staff not to smoke at all but if any of them really desperately need to then they would have to go outside of the site."

An ATL spokeswoman said it would be difficult for any school to enforce a ban like the one at Tideway.

She said: "Lots of schools have said for years that staff must not smoke on school grounds but as far as I know none have gone further and begun issuing fines.

"The school would not be able to deduct a fine from teachers' wages unless it was included in the terms and conditions of their contract, which is unlikely. I'm not sure whether they'll find many people willing to pay up in cash either."

She said the union did not feel fining smokers was the best approach and suggested other disciplinary action or offering help to quit smoking would be better options.

A £10 million rebuilding project has begun at Tideway to renovate it after an arson attack in 2005 destroyed a large part of its buildings. The school was praised by Ofsted inspectors this year for its performance during difficult circumstances.

Should teachers be allowed fag breaks during their school day? Tell us what you think below.


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teacher, school says...
7:24pm Tue 17 Jul 07

Should teachers be allowed a fag break? Are Doctors, bank workers, cleaners, shop workers, infact anyone else employed in the UK allowed to go for a fag in their break? why should teachers not be allowed? What makes teachers so different?

Ken, Brighton says...
8:21pm Tue 17 Jul 07

How can a teacher tell kids of the dangers of smoking and yet smoke themselves?

mandy, says...
10:45pm Tue 17 Jul 07

I would not pay the unions one more penny, smokers should have somewhere comfortable for their breaks too.
Unhappy workers do not work at their best.
Maybe robots would suit the headmaster.
Brainwashing the kids is not healthy either. in fact it is dangerous. Truth is a great quality, shame that is not high on the agenda
8th August 2006 the HSE in their document OC 255/15 article9 state
" HSE cannot produce epidemiological evidence to link levels of exposure to second hand smoke to the raised risk of contacting specific diseases".
9 The evidential link between individual circumstances of exposure to risk in
exempted premises will be hard to establish. In essence, HSE cannot
produce epidemiological evidence to link levels of exposure to SHS to the
raised risk of contracting specific diseases and it is therefore difficult to prove
health-related breaches of the Health and Safety at Work Act.


Neil E Dunn, says...
11:16pm Tue 17 Jul 07

This idea could easily backfire.
It's bad enough that they are forced back into the bike sheds but teaching is extremely streassful and many already retire on health grounds. I know smoking has helped many to cope with their job but just watch out for the extra counselling and early retirement costs.
How can they be expected to respect other staff or pupils when respect for them is withdrawn.

Neil E Dunn, says...
9:04am Wed 18 Jul 07

In some ways it's not such bad news for some of the staff. Teaching is an incredibly stressful job. A ciggie in the bike sheds was quite relaxing and without this we should see an increased use of counselling services and early retirements through stress.
All respect has been removed from a quarter of the population and smoking teachers understand exactly what it means to be bullied and isolated - how can we ask them to discourage such behaviour in their students?

jstewart, Stockton says...
9:12am Wed 18 Jul 07

The fines are impossible to impose on the visitors as well. Adrian Money does not have the power to prosecute a visitor for smoking outside Any parents presented with such a threat should report this person. No matyter his views on smoking, they are no more than his personal opinion which he has absolutely no right to impose on visitors who smoke who should be treated with the same level of courtesy extended to other guests to his little fiefdom.

Sharon, Hampshire says...
9:37am Wed 18 Jul 07

Yes of course teachers should be allowed a fag break. Would you have denied Einstein, Churchill, Mark Twain and Brunel a fag break?

I saw this the other day, and would urge supporters of the ban to read it. I would also urge teachers to read in order to put these bans into an historical context:

http://tinyurl.com/y

wzmv4

Geoff, Brighton says...
10:58am Wed 18 Jul 07

Why do headteachers always have such power trips? My guess is they were picked on at school and now want to get their own back. Sadly, with the smoking rules, the staff have to go off the school grounds for a smoke. That is that. They are entitled to have a break. What they do in their break is their business. I am a civil servant and I have as many fag breaks as ever.

Norman Tebbit, says...
11:12am Wed 18 Jul 07

Under what legislation is this headteacher going to impose this fine?


Donnie, UK says...
3:59pm Wed 18 Jul 07

What planet is this Headteacher on! Only council enforcement officers can issue fines for smoking inside an enclosed area. He needs to check up on the law otherwise he could find himself in the dock.

Belinda, says...
4:05pm Wed 18 Jul 07

The Head teacher is fining them ... under what authority?

This seems quite wrong to me. What if teachers get caught shooting up on the campus? Oh, that's different of course because it's illegal.

Smoking is legal. So what gives the Head any authority to impose fines?

Fricke, Edinburgh says...
4:12pm Wed 18 Jul 07

Ken, Brighton. Don't know about you, but when I was at school teachers were there to give us education in facts, along perhaps with a bit of moral guidance. I'd like to think they do much the same today, rather try to fill the heads of students with their own personal prejudices- or indeed those of an oppressive regime. That is how my mother said it was in her youth in Nazi Germany.

Belinda, says...
4:15pm Wed 18 Jul 07

Unquestionably teachers should be allowed breaks, and if they choose to use them for a cigarette, that is their affair.

Carlos, says...
4:19pm Wed 18 Jul 07

Because Ken perhaps the teachers dont- their job is to educate children in what they are speciailised in- never knew such a subject as antismoking existed in schools but wouldnt surprise me under NuLabour if one was set up to dumb down the masses!

J D Smith, Liverpool says...
7:49pm Wed 18 Jul 07

Teachers are entitled by law to a lunch break and all the smokers will now probably absent themselves from the premises. This will reduce the amount of supervisory cover available and may well limit the school's ability to provide a safe and secure lunch-time environment for the pupils. The head will need to obtain plenty of £50s to compensate a negligence claim.

Sue, brighton says...
7:55pm Wed 18 Jul 07

I don't see why he needs to threaten fines. The teachers & visitors are probably responsible adults, if they have been told that they are not allowed to smoke on the school grounds then surely they will abide by this ruling and smoke off grounds. Many workplaces request that you do not smoke on their grounds. They don't want people hanging around the premises smoking as it looks bad. I expect this school is no different. Hospitals request that their staff & visitors don't smoke on the grounds so why don't we have a pop at the NHS while we are at it.

Andy, says...
8:02pm Wed 18 Jul 07

Money by name Money by nature.

What a wonderful dictatorial establishment he works in. I presume that the teachers will be warned about walking on the cracks in the pavement next.

Better things to concentrate on in my opinion.

HE HAS NO LEGAL POWER TO ENFORCE THIS.


tracerace, worcestershire says...
10:47pm Wed 18 Jul 07

carlos..
i echo your sentiments about teachers, teaching their specialized subjects; i too have never heard of a no-smoking qualification either!
leave them alone MR SELF OPINIONATED HEADMASTER: WHERE WOULD YOU BE WITHOUT YOUR HARD WORKING STAFF ..AND A SCHOOL FULL OF NO CHILDREN, BECAUSE THEIR PARENTS HAVE REMOVED THEM FROM YOUR DICTATORIAL SCHOOL!
ON THE DOLE THATS WHERE!
Nu Labour are apparently going to get teachers, to teach children what it means to be British next year...whatever is this country coming to!
The children of this country only have to look to their grand parents,especially those that fought in wwar 2...or take a look in a history book...to know what it is to be British!
TO FIND OUT THE TRUTH VISIT WWW.FREEDOM2CHOOSE.C
O.UK
they will set us free!

Peter Stryvesant, Mayfair says...
11:35pm Wed 18 Jul 07

Did we win WW2? Think about it, Winston Churchill loved a drink and fine cigar; Adolf Hitler was a rabid teetolling non-smoker (actually introduced a smoking ban in 1944). In fact both Franco and Mussolini despised smoking.

The irony is sickening!

Cathy Lintern, Ryde, Isle of Wight says...
12:25am Thu 19 Jul 07

This absolutely smacks of big brother to me. "A CCTV camera covers the whole school" - please! What have we come to when the very worst crime you can commit is to have a cigarette? This headmaster is a martinet. Because he doesn't like smoking, he wants to force everyone else to his point of view. I think it's disgusting. A teacher is the same as any other worker. What he does in his own break is completely up to him. Pupils are not allowed to smoke because it is illegal to smoke under the age of 16 - smoking is still a completely activity for those over that age.

james, bath says...
2:23am Thu 19 Jul 07

A quarter of his staff and visitors probably choose to smoke.Smoking cigarettes is totally legal.To deny his staff this freedom and choice because of his opinion is practically discrimination.

Andy R, Hove says...
10:29am Thu 19 Jul 07

Fricke wrote:
Ken, Brighton. Don't know about you, but when I was at school teachers were there to give us education in facts, along perhaps with a bit of moral guidance. I'd like to think they do much the same today, rather try to fill the heads of students with their own personal prejudices- or indeed those of an oppressive regime. That is how my mother said it was in her youth in Nazi Germany.
Godwin's Law kicks in early.

George Speller, Keighley says...
8:32pm Thu 19 Jul 07

How refreshing to read the comments on this story and find not one single anti-smoking nut! Have they gone away - I do hope so!

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