City’s 20mph limit causes air pollution to get worse

City’s 20mph limit causes air pollution to get worse

City’s 20mph limit causes air pollution to get worse

First published in Letters

I read with great amusement the claims of the Green Party that 74% of Brighton's roads had seen a reduction in speed after the introduction of the 20mph limit.

I drive in the city and have yet to find anyone keeping to it, including bus drivers.

I would be interested to know how the figure of 74% was obtained.

I remember reading in the Argus not that long ago that there had been no substantial reduction in injuries caused by motorists since the 20mph introduction.

A problem that the Green Party has chosen to ignore is the increase in air pollution caused by motorists driving in lower gears which means greater fuel consumption and more exhaust fumes.

We have in this city a party in control elected with the help of a large student population most of whom are only living in Brighton for three years but leaving the city in the hands of the most hated council that I can remember.

Unfortunately they cannot be removed until May 2015 and still have almost nine more months to wreak further havoc here.

If the rest of the country could see what the Green Party has done to Brighton they would never get an MP or councillor elected anywhere again.

J Stanford Braemore Court, Kingsway, Hove

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9:50am Tue 26 Aug 14

calro75 says...

I totally agree with J Stanford, this city has been choked under the Green administration. Hopefully, every other council in the land will use Brighton as an example of why people should never vote for the Green party. A once nice place to live has been systematically ruined by a minority party only working for minorities.
I totally agree with J Stanford, this city has been choked under the Green administration. Hopefully, every other council in the land will use Brighton as an example of why people should never vote for the Green party. A once nice place to live has been systematically ruined by a minority party only working for minorities. calro75
  • Score: 28

12:02pm Tue 26 Aug 14

billy goat-gruff says...

So, it's ok to break the law if you don't agree with it? The 20mph limit in built-up areas is a national initiative so changing the local council will have no effect. You can't blame the Greens for everything you dislike about modern life!
So, it's ok to break the law if you don't agree with it? The 20mph limit in built-up areas is a national initiative so changing the local council will have no effect. You can't blame the Greens for everything you dislike about modern life! billy goat-gruff
  • Score: -32

12:21pm Tue 26 Aug 14

notslimjim says...

billy goat-gruff wrote:
So, it's ok to break the law if you don't agree with it? The 20mph limit in built-up areas is a national initiative so changing the local council will have no effect. You can't blame the Greens for everything you dislike about modern life!
But we can certainly blame them when they cause misery through their own actions (or lack of them).
[quote][p][bold]billy goat-gruff[/bold] wrote: So, it's ok to break the law if you don't agree with it? The 20mph limit in built-up areas is a national initiative so changing the local council will have no effect. You can't blame the Greens for everything you dislike about modern life![/p][/quote]But we can certainly blame them when they cause misery through their own actions (or lack of them). notslimjim
  • Score: 25

12:43pm Tue 26 Aug 14

hoggleboggle says...

billy goat-gruff wrote:
So, it's ok to break the law if you don't agree with it? The 20mph limit in built-up areas is a national initiative so changing the local council will have no effect. You can't blame the Greens for everything you dislike about modern life!
It certainly is, if the law is nonsensical and counter-productive, doing more harm than good, not supported by any of the law enforcement agencies and only implemented for ego and party political reasons.
[quote][p][bold]billy goat-gruff[/bold] wrote: So, it's ok to break the law if you don't agree with it? The 20mph limit in built-up areas is a national initiative so changing the local council will have no effect. You can't blame the Greens for everything you dislike about modern life![/p][/quote]It certainly is, if the law is nonsensical and counter-productive, doing more harm than good, not supported by any of the law enforcement agencies and only implemented for ego and party political reasons. hoggleboggle
  • Score: 24

7:23pm Tue 26 Aug 14

BeeJam says...

hoggleboggle wrote:
billy goat-gruff wrote:
So, it's ok to break the law if you don't agree with it? The 20mph limit in built-up areas is a national initiative so changing the local council will have no effect. You can't blame the Greens for everything you dislike about modern life!
It certainly is, if the law is nonsensical and counter-productive, doing more harm than good, not supported by any of the law enforcement agencies and only implemented for ego and party political reasons.
This.

Never has a local political party in B&H been hated by so many.

Their roadworks mean at least 1-1.5 hours extra added onto my working day sitting in gridlocked traffic and it is having a serious effect on my business. Rephased lights that leave motorists waiting for green for an absurd amount of time (i am sure somewhere near there is a secret camera chanelled to a room where hysterical green party members are watching and laughing at the motorists going nowhere), most main roads concurrently affected by roadworks/'improveme
nts', unwanted and ignored 20mph zones and cycle lanes, seafront looking like Beirut c.1985, Lewes Rd improvements - what a fiasco, i could go on but am sick to death of doing so.

No, no and NO. Just bog off Greens, your teenage virgin-esque over exuberance with your ideological pet schemes makes most of the residents here want to vom.

Never will i vote green again.
[quote][p][bold]hoggleboggle[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]billy goat-gruff[/bold] wrote: So, it's ok to break the law if you don't agree with it? The 20mph limit in built-up areas is a national initiative so changing the local council will have no effect. You can't blame the Greens for everything you dislike about modern life![/p][/quote]It certainly is, if the law is nonsensical and counter-productive, doing more harm than good, not supported by any of the law enforcement agencies and only implemented for ego and party political reasons.[/p][/quote]This. Never has a local political party in B&H been hated by so many. Their roadworks mean at least 1-1.5 hours extra added onto my working day sitting in gridlocked traffic and it is having a serious effect on my business. Rephased lights that leave motorists waiting for green for an absurd amount of time (i am sure somewhere near there is a secret camera chanelled to a room where hysterical green party members are watching and laughing at the motorists going nowhere), most main roads concurrently affected by roadworks/'improveme nts', unwanted and ignored 20mph zones and cycle lanes, seafront looking like Beirut c.1985, Lewes Rd improvements - what a fiasco, i could go on but am sick to death of doing so. No, no and NO. Just bog off Greens, your teenage virgin-esque over exuberance with your ideological pet schemes makes most of the residents here want to vom. Never will i vote green again. BeeJam
  • Score: 21

7:11am Wed 27 Aug 14

BrightonHoveboy says...

The contractors working for the greens obviously get paid by the hour with one man eventually laying a brick while two watch being a common sight. The pollution and congestion caused by these swampies ( the council) is breathtaking, literally. I work in the city and the taste in my mouth, tightening in my chest and the nauseous feeling in my stomach after just an hour in town is awful. Go away to Cornwall with beautiful clear air and then return and you will see what I mean.
The act of actually narrowing Edward Street from four lanes to three is now running so behind time, presumably to annoy drivers,you cannot believe it. Oh. Wilbury Villas was closed for a few weeks short of three years. Yes, you can believe how stupid and ignorant kitkwakand his chum davies are. They have devastated my town. Chuck them a over Beachy Head
The contractors working for the greens obviously get paid by the hour with one man eventually laying a brick while two watch being a common sight. The pollution and congestion caused by these swampies ( the council) is breathtaking, literally. I work in the city and the taste in my mouth, tightening in my chest and the nauseous feeling in my stomach after just an hour in town is awful. Go away to Cornwall with beautiful clear air and then return and you will see what I mean. The act of actually narrowing Edward Street from four lanes to three is now running so behind time, presumably to annoy drivers,you cannot believe it. Oh. Wilbury Villas was closed for a few weeks short of three years. Yes, you can believe how stupid and ignorant kitkwakand his chum davies are. They have devastated my town. Chuck them a over Beachy Head BrightonHoveboy
  • Score: 10

7:26am Wed 27 Aug 14

G Wiley says...

billy goat-gruff wrote:
So, it's ok to break the law if you don't agree with it? The 20mph limit in built-up areas is a national initiative so changing the local council will have no effect. You can't blame the Greens for everything you dislike about modern life!
The green led council only ever intended to get average speed limits down to 25mph. It was never intended to be an actual limit, so they expected drivers to ignore it.

The police told them that the limits had to be self-enforcing, but arrogant ideological Davey derived to ignore this and carry on regardless.

As such the 20mph limits are unenforceable and unenforced and has been a total waste of money by this loathsome car-hating council.
[quote][p][bold]billy goat-gruff[/bold] wrote: So, it's ok to break the law if you don't agree with it? The 20mph limit in built-up areas is a national initiative so changing the local council will have no effect. You can't blame the Greens for everything you dislike about modern life![/p][/quote]The green led council only ever intended to get average speed limits down to 25mph. It was never intended to be an actual limit, so they expected drivers to ignore it. The police told them that the limits had to be self-enforcing, but arrogant ideological Davey derived to ignore this and carry on regardless. As such the 20mph limits are unenforceable and unenforced and has been a total waste of money by this loathsome car-hating council. G Wiley
  • Score: 12

8:27pm Wed 27 Aug 14

DCCCCCC says...

I am now so fed up with the congestion in Brighton and the ridiculous 20mph zones being introduced, I have decided to move away. I see no point in spending a significant proportion of my life sitting in traffic queues. I no longer venture out weekends because of the traffic situation. I live in the East of Brighton and the traffic passing through Woodingdean and Rottingdean now is ridiculous as people try to avoid the Lewes Road and how can you blame them? No doubt the planning permission will go ahead for the housing estate in Ovingdean which will just add to the ridiculous congestion that there already is. There comes a time when people will say enough is enough and vote with their feet. I am one of them.
I am now so fed up with the congestion in Brighton and the ridiculous 20mph zones being introduced, I have decided to move away. I see no point in spending a significant proportion of my life sitting in traffic queues. I no longer venture out weekends because of the traffic situation. I live in the East of Brighton and the traffic passing through Woodingdean and Rottingdean now is ridiculous as people try to avoid the Lewes Road and how can you blame them? No doubt the planning permission will go ahead for the housing estate in Ovingdean which will just add to the ridiculous congestion that there already is. There comes a time when people will say enough is enough and vote with their feet. I am one of them. DCCCCCC
  • Score: 6

9:00pm Wed 27 Aug 14

Gribbet says...

So you're saying that there has been an increase in pollution caused by cars travelling at lower speeds in the 20mph zones...

...but you're also saying that you've never witnessed anyone driving at lower speeds in the 20mph zones, meaning everyone's driving as fast now as they were before the introduction of 20mph zones.

So this increase in pollution that you're claiming has happened must be caused by other factors.

Either way it's caused by too many cars on the road.
So you're saying that there has been an increase in pollution caused by cars travelling at lower speeds in the 20mph zones... ...but you're also saying that you've never witnessed anyone driving at lower speeds in the 20mph zones, meaning everyone's driving as fast now as they were before the introduction of 20mph zones. So this increase in pollution that you're claiming has happened must be caused by other factors. Either way it's caused by too many cars on the road. Gribbet
  • Score: -3

1:11pm Thu 28 Aug 14

minutetaker says...

As a non driver. 20mph and bus lanes are the biggest health hazard ever thought of.
There is a major increase in health problems along the Lewes Road since the introduction of a bus lane. The bus times have not got better as there is a bottle neck from Woodvale to St. Peter's , the relentless roadworks causes rat runs and static traffic.
The total cost this riddiculous system has cost could have funded adult health and social care, or our rubbish collections for a good while. Money which will never be recouped because no-one can get into our city, therefore pushing businesses out.
In 10 years time people will be saying Brighton where's that! Never heard of it.
As a non driver. 20mph and bus lanes are the biggest health hazard ever thought of. There is a major increase in health problems along the Lewes Road since the introduction of a bus lane. The bus times have not got better as there is a bottle neck from Woodvale to St. Peter's , the relentless roadworks causes rat runs and static traffic. The total cost this riddiculous system has cost could have funded adult health and social care, or our rubbish collections for a good while. Money which will never be recouped because no-one can get into our city, therefore pushing businesses out. In 10 years time people will be saying Brighton where's that! Never heard of it. minutetaker
  • Score: 4

8:36pm Thu 28 Aug 14

Idontbelieveit1948 says...

The 74% reduction is a figment of the Greens imagination, we all know they did no pre change collection of data and hence cannot provide any reliable data such as that claimed.

Just another example of Green spin.

As for Gribbet's raised pollution questions this is most likely caused by the deliberate interference with traffic flow through the poor phasing of traffic lights, extended and inefficient roadworks and the building of ridiculously short bus lanes which serve no purpose other than to clog up the traffic and gratify Green dogma.
The 74% reduction is a figment of the Greens imagination, we all know they did no pre change collection of data and hence cannot provide any reliable data such as that claimed. Just another example of Green spin. As for Gribbet's raised pollution questions this is most likely caused by the deliberate interference with traffic flow through the poor phasing of traffic lights, extended and inefficient roadworks and the building of ridiculously short bus lanes which serve no purpose other than to clog up the traffic and gratify Green dogma. Idontbelieveit1948
  • Score: 4

6:55pm Sat 30 Aug 14

jabbamini1 says...

I too, totally agree. They have also made many 2 lane roads in to single lanes which in rush hours brings traffic to a stand still and stuck bus stops further in to the roads so vehicles can't overtake buses at bus stops causing more pollution. All the cycle lanes that they have put in for cyclist that hardly use them and Dont take any notice of the highway code, ie: not stopping at red lights, no hand signals. Then the cyclist doesn't need insurance but there is just as much chance that they could scratch my car or knock my wing mirror of my car. On top of this, the green party have pretty much made it impossible for holiday/day trippers to get in or out of brighton . soon, no one will want to visit Brighton, I have lived here all of my life, I am nearly 47 and I am now starting to think about moving out.
I too, totally agree. They have also made many 2 lane roads in to single lanes which in rush hours brings traffic to a stand still and stuck bus stops further in to the roads so vehicles can't overtake buses at bus stops causing more pollution. All the cycle lanes that they have put in for cyclist that hardly use them and Dont take any notice of the highway code, ie: not stopping at red lights, no hand signals. Then the cyclist doesn't need insurance but there is just as much chance that they could scratch my car or knock my wing mirror of my car. On top of this, the green party have pretty much made it impossible for holiday/day trippers to get in or out of brighton . soon, no one will want to visit Brighton, I have lived here all of my life, I am nearly 47 and I am now starting to think about moving out. jabbamini1
  • Score: 1

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