Dunk off in derby nightmare (From The Argus)
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Dunk off in derby nightmare
4:59pm Saturday 1st December 2012 in Sport By Brian Owen
Lewis Dunk is sent off early in the match (photos Simon Dack_
Ten-man Albion suffered a derby nightmare as two Glenn Murray goals helped send them to a 3-0 defeat at Crystal Palace.
The Seagulls were up against it from the seventh minute when Lewis Dunk was sent-off.
But they had complaints over the first of two spot kicks awarded against them in the second half to add to Murray’s 38th-minute opener.
Dunk failed to cleanly control a routine pass from Bruno and, as the ball ran away from him, tripped the goalbound Yannick Bolasie just outside the box.
The defender was shown a straight red and the ten men’s disciplined rearguard action was eventually breached 31 minutes later in routine style when Murray headed home from a corner.
Albion made a bright start to the second period and almost created an immediate equaliser as Ashley Barnes robbed Wilfried Zaha and sent Craig Mackail-Smith in on goal – but his shot hit the outside of the near post.
Murray doubled his tally from a hotly disputed 54th-minute penalty as Albion claimed he dived- and queried whether he was offside - as Tomasz Kuszczak went down at his feet.
Owen Garvan added the third, also from the spot, on 71 minutes after Gordon Greer was adjudged to have impeded Murray as they waited for a cross at the far post.
To add to the Seagulls’ misery, they lost Andrea Orlandi in the first half with a broken rib.
Comments(82)
gusset snatcher
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5:01pm Sat 1 Dec 12
In gusset we're a muppet
mark by the sea
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5:03pm Sat 1 Dec 12
batray
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5:07pm Sat 1 Dec 12
Rhodes Seagull
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5:09pm Sat 1 Dec 12
We can and probably will try to blame the ref but the first decision to send off was correct and the second pen was also correct, We lost yes but we have to get up dust down and start again in the next game against Charlton.
wole
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5:12pm Sat 1 Dec 12
Ashley Barnes is not a Championship player and in my opinion a league 2 player. He offers nothing to the team, is too slow and always loses the ball.
I am afraid to say that Poyet is the only one that cannot see this in the whole of Brighton.
bruce beckett
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5:17pm Sat 1 Dec 12
But, like Gus, I was wrong. Murray is by far the more clinical finisher and he keeps coming back to haunt us.
Bucket feet Duffy
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5:21pm Sat 1 Dec 12
Neville
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5:24pm Sat 1 Dec 12
Playing Dunk at the back is always a liability due to a lack of control and just recently his distribution has been dodgy.
Again we had chances but didn't score,acording to radio we seem certain to get a striker in Jan lets hope we are still in touch with the top six by then. I think everyone new Barnes would be back again,think he played well but he really is the managers firm favourite,despite his shortcomings.
batray
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5:26pm Sat 1 Dec 12
Bucket feet Duffy wrote:I agree - the management need to get a grip - fast. Its beginning to look a lot like last season - when the going gets tough - we wilt. With the current set up - BHA are under achievers. There have been too many errors in recruitment and we have let too many good players.
We are the best supported team in this league and beat CP's average gates by a country mile, the Managment are making too many poor decisions Both on and off the pitch we seem to make changes to the starting line so often that you would be forgiven for thinking the manager has a tomboler in his office, we have now been humiliated twice by CP and it is not acceptable.
The BHA support deserve more.
roast
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5:27pm Sat 1 Dec 12
Bench was a joke.
No bottle throughout the team apart from Bridcutt.
brightonup
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5:30pm Sat 1 Dec 12
UTA!
SMF20
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5:38pm Sat 1 Dec 12
VegasSeagull
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5:38pm Sat 1 Dec 12
gusset snatcher wrote:I get the point of your post, and to be fair on what is, 'fact,' in your post I wouldn't argue with. I do wonder if any of us know the numbers involved, surely people in our position can only guess.
Murray signed for Palace on 31st May 2011 Mackail-Smith signed for B&HA on 4th July 2011 Gusset stated yesterday that there was no money available to keep Murray yet within 34 days B&HA paid £2.75 Million for Mackail-Smith plus a weekly wage in excess of what Murray wanted. Murray has a better goals per game ratio over his career than Mackail-Smith.
Albion fan in London
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5:39pm Sat 1 Dec 12
mark by the sea wrote:more a case or couldn't or wouldn't pay GM what he wanted. Either way its back fired as its clear as day that we need him or a similar type of player at the club
Hmmm gusset you have a point, Murray wanted 10 k. A week . Now half the side are on more,
bruce beckett
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5:40pm Sat 1 Dec 12
Yet as someone posted earlier, Poyet seems to have no issue with the club paying Vicente's wages so he can sit around Brighton Marina drinking coffee.
bruce beckett
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5:42pm Sat 1 Dec 12
gfsjms
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5:45pm Sat 1 Dec 12
VegasSeagull
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5:47pm Sat 1 Dec 12
Neville wrote:Neville your math is wrong mate. If he was on 2.75 a week, a 100% increase would only put him on 5.5 a week.
Mark by the sea states Murray wanted 10k per week,that means he would have been on 2.5k per wk prior to his 75% increase demand thats nonsense.There is currently a wage cap on salaries which is slightly above the figure quoted. Playing Dunk at the back is always a liability due to a lack of control and just recently his distribution has been dodgy. Again we had chances but didn't score,acording to radio we seem certain to get a striker in Jan lets hope we are still in touch with the top six by then. I think everyone new Barnes would be back again,think he played well but he really is the managers firm favourite,despite his shortcomings.
tonytowner1
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5:47pm Sat 1 Dec 12
CanfieldRob
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5:47pm Sat 1 Dec 12
wole wrote:You get used to seeing some rubbish on this site, but this takes some swallowing.Barnes a League 2 player?
CMS is the striker but as I have said so many times before he needs a player up top with him.
Ashley Barnes is not a Championship player and in my opinion a league 2 player. He offers nothing to the team, is too slow and always loses the ball.
I am afraid to say that Poyet is the only one that cannot see this in the whole of Brighton.
What nonsense. He has not been producing the goods lately but does not deserve to be insulted like this.
Old Scrote of the Amex
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5:47pm Sat 1 Dec 12
bruce beckett wrote:He is this season. Last season he couldn't hit a brand door with a beachball. Also worth noting that a LOT of his goals have been penalties, something he was not that good at when with us.
About time Gus stopped with this nonsense about how the club couldn't afford to keep Murray. The truth is he didn't think he could hack it at a higher level. Instead, he went out and spent a boatload of dosh on CMS. At the time, I thought it was good move and was ecstatic with the signing.
But, like Gus, I was wrong. Murray is by far the more clinical finisher and he keeps coming back to haunt us.
tonytowner1
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5:48pm Sat 1 Dec 12
namgo49
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5:51pm Sat 1 Dec 12
Having got him we make him play with his back to the goal which Murray could do but CMS can't and never will be able to.
We shall not be in the running this year as we don't have a manager who knows enough about what is needed to be consistent and get results week in week out. Two years on the contract after this season and then time to get someone in who is Championship hardened and knows how to be successful.
Old Scrote of the Amex
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5:52pm Sat 1 Dec 12
Neville wrote:Time to go back to school... Going from 2.5k per week to 10k is a 300% increase. He would have had to be on about 5.7k for a 75% increase.
Mark by the sea states Murray wanted 10k per week,that means he would have been on 2.5k per wk prior to his 75% increase demand thats nonsense.There is currently a wage cap on salaries which is slightly above the figure quoted.
Playing Dunk at the back is always a liability due to a lack of control and just recently his distribution has been dodgy.
Again we had chances but didn't score,acording to radio we seem certain to get a striker in Jan lets hope we are still in touch with the top six by then. I think everyone new Barnes would be back again,think he played well but he really is the managers firm favourite,despite his shortcomings.
VegasSeagull
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5:53pm Sat 1 Dec 12
The derby match is done so now we can get back to regular matches, all of which are just as important but don't carry that extra derby match burden.
Well done Palce, hope you lose next week, and the week after, and the week after......
batray
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5:55pm Sat 1 Dec 12
namgo49 wrote:Agree 100%
The gs is a wind up merchant but is spot on with this one. GP didnt like Murray and let him go, he wanted CMS and persuaded the club he was the one to get. He costs us 1/2 as much again per week as Murray would have done plus the wacking great transfer fee.
Having got him we make him play with his back to the goal which Murray could do but CMS can't and never will be able to.
We shall not be in the running this year as we don't have a manager who knows enough about what is needed to be consistent and get results week in week out. Two years on the contract after this season and then time to get someone in who is Championship hardened and knows how to be successful.
pjwilk
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5:55pm Sat 1 Dec 12
VegasSeagull
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6:01pm Sat 1 Dec 12
tug509
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6:01pm Sat 1 Dec 12
batray wrote:SPOT ON GUYS.UTA
Bucket feet Duffy wrote:I agree - the management need to get a grip - fast. Its beginning to look a lot like last season - when the going gets tough - we wilt. With the current set up - BHA are under achievers. There have been too many errors in recruitment and we have let too many good players.
We are the best supported team in this league and beat CP's average gates by a country mile, the Managment are making too many poor decisions Both on and off the pitch we seem to make changes to the starting line so often that you would be forgiven for thinking the manager has a tomboler in his office, we have now been humiliated twice by CP and it is not acceptable.
The BHA support deserve more.
Alfie T
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6:07pm Sat 1 Dec 12
Rhodes Seagull wrote:Agree, men against boys today, we needed Bridge & El-abd our best two defenders out there today to stand a chance of a result. I said from the moment it looked like Murray was stalling over his contract that we needed to sort it and keep him, and if there was any doubt about that,today was the proof of what has been a dreadful error. Once again Greer lacks bottle without El-abd doing the tough defending, awful for the second penalty. Palace are a good side and going up.
Hi, Your not going to like it but we where played off the park, even if we had kept all eleven on the park we would have struggled against a very good CP side.
We can and probably will try to blame the ref but the first decision to send off was correct and the second pen was also correct, We lost yes but we have to get up dust down and start again in the next game against Charlton.
john newman
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6:09pm Sat 1 Dec 12
Bucket feet Duffy
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6:15pm Sat 1 Dec 12
SMF20 wrote:So what do you know ref GM leaving
Totally baffled by today in every way. No recognised defender on the bench after being told we had a full compliment to choose from. Harley and Lua Lua suddenly make the bench after being know where near the squad for weeks and Hoskins and Dobbie don't get a sniff. What have they got to do to replace a very average player? We chose today to have our worst day of the season both in terms of display and discipline and to cap it all off.. A certain Mr Murray gives a master class in linking play, hold up play, off the ball running and finishing with both his head and feet. What a terrible loss he is. I'm with others in the not buying into Gm leaving for money theory, Infact I know differently. No frustrations today, just terrible disappointment in decisions that were made by those on and off the pitch. My faith in GP and my support for our club will remain constant but sometimes, just sometimes, I do wonder about some of the decisions made. Anyway UTA and let's hope this CP hoodoo ends soon.
LACHANCE
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6:15pm Sat 1 Dec 12
gusset snatcher wrote:Good post.l know who l would rather have and that is Murray a far better player all round.Palace today where the better side.Greer was well out of his depth again far to slow and very light wieght.We have about five players at this leval the rest arn't.What a lot off money Gus has waisted.Verdict on Gus NOT GOOD ENOUGH MUST TRY HARDER.
Murray signed for Palace on 31st May 2011
Mackail-Smith signed for B&HA on 4th July 2011
Gusset stated yesterday that there was no money available to keep Murray yet within 34 days B&HA paid £2.75 Million for Mackail-Smith plus a weekly wage in excess of what Murray wanted.
Murray has a better goals per game ratio over his career than Mackail-Smith.
Old Scrote of the Amex
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6:16pm Sat 1 Dec 12
mark5
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6:22pm Sat 1 Dec 12
pjwilk
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6:26pm Sat 1 Dec 12
Old Scrote of the Amex wrote:We do commend the team when they play well but its happening less often and we certainly did not play well today.
I only started reading the Argus website a few weeks ago, and it's amazing how many of the people posting above I have never seen before. Serious question (not trolling) but do most of you only turn up here after a poor result?
andyp123
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6:26pm Sat 1 Dec 12
Neville wrote:I am afraid your maths is wrong and I think your wage cap info is wrong too.
Mark by the sea states Murray wanted 10k per week,that means he would have been on 2.5k per wk prior to his 75% increase demand thats nonsense.There is currently a wage cap on salaries which is slightly above the figure quoted.
Playing Dunk at the back is always a liability due to a lack of control and just recently his distribution has been dodgy.
Again we had chances but didn't score,acording to radio we seem certain to get a striker in Jan lets hope we are still in touch with the top six by then. I think everyone new Barnes would be back again,think he played well but he really is the managers firm favourite,despite his shortcomings.
wiltshire seagull
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6:29pm Sat 1 Dec 12
tug509 wrote:Harsh but true, I'm afraid...As soon as most of us learned the Albion line-up I think our hearts knew the worst. I'm a great believer in Gus and still am but I have to say that seeing Tanno sitting down all the time at EVERY game looking like an Aussie that's just arrived in the UK winter really gets me riled! The boys today needed real motivation from the Management after losing Dunk so early, where was it? While I'm on a rant why do we keep getting told lies about player injuries, it's getting so we can't believe anything the club tell us? The Management DO need to get a grip, soon or I,ll be able to get a ticket for every game, lol....Sorry, rant over. UTA...
batray wrote:SPOT ON GUYS.UTA
Bucket feet Duffy wrote:I agree - the management need to get a grip - fast. Its beginning to look a lot like last season - when the going gets tough - we wilt. With the current set up - BHA are under achievers. There have been too many errors in recruitment and we have let too many good players.
We are the best supported team in this league and beat CP's average gates by a country mile, the Managment are making too many poor decisions Both on and off the pitch we seem to make changes to the starting line so often that you would be forgiven for thinking the manager has a tomboler in his office, we have now been humiliated twice by CP and it is not acceptable.
The BHA support deserve more.
tug509
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6:29pm Sat 1 Dec 12
Rhodes Seagull wrote:Guess what i dont like what you have said,you are wrong in so many ways it is almost as frustrating as the score.
Hi, Your not going to like it but we where played off the park, even if we had kept all eleven on the park we would have struggled against a very good CP side.
We can and probably will try to blame the ref but the first decision to send off was correct and the second pen was also correct, We lost yes but we have to get up dust down and start again in the next game against Charlton.
Dubious red considering the importance of the game ,definite yellow so early on.
Where do you get the idea of football?.
with 11 on the park we would have outplayed them.
With such an early exit ,and no defender to take his place,it was ,by the book,try to make it to halftime.
When they scored ,who should of been marking him was on the bench (or did that minor point escape you).
Two pens,first a definite dive which you yourself elude to,second,totally accidental,and he made the most of it once again.
Stuff you if you honestly think ,with the players we had,against bolasie ,who when he wasn`t fouling one of our lads,was trying to claim a foul,and the most home friendly ref in years.
I ask you this,and yes it is in honesty.
19 games,and no one has beaten us by more than 1 goal. Two dubious pens and one for us waved away,a ref who in my opinion was bent like a dogs hind leg.
Truth is ,if we lose my wife knows im a miserable git till we win again,she also knows ,i say we didn`t deserve it when we dont. Today was not a fair crack,and i stand by that,even if we weren`t at our best.
They are top,so the saying is true,scum rises to the surface.....UTA
mark5
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6:30pm Sat 1 Dec 12
LACHANCE wrote:I agree totally. Plenty of money spent, with an unimpressive return.
gusset snatcher wrote:Good post.l know who l would rather have and that is Murray a far better player all round.Palace today where the better side.Greer was well out of his depth again far to slow and very light wieght.We have about five players at this leval the rest arn't.What a lot off money Gus has waisted.Verdict on Gus NOT GOOD ENOUGH MUST TRY HARDER.
Murray signed for Palace on 31st May 2011
Mackail-Smith signed for B&HA on 4th July 2011
Gusset stated yesterday that there was no money available to keep Murray yet within 34 days B&HA paid £2.75 Million for Mackail-Smith plus a weekly wage in excess of what Murray wanted.
Murray has a better goals per game ratio over his career than Mackail-Smith.
Ringmer Rich
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6:33pm Sat 1 Dec 12
Ken from Beamish
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7:01pm Sat 1 Dec 12
bruce beckett wrote:Yes we all know Gus did not rate Murray, and some may forget that the £500k signing of Hoskins was announced on the day Murray left - so even on MBTS figure of £10k per week, this would have covered the first season and more if you take Hoskins' wages into account. Gus has done wonders for Albion, but he insults the fans (and the Board) by putting out stories that are blatantly false. We all make poor decisions, and I would have more respect if he held his hands-up and admitted it. Tony Bloom has backed Gus to the hilt and if Gus had wanted to keep Murray, in the same way he wanted to buy CMS, Bloom would have backed him. The likely truth is Bloom told him he could not afford both...and Gus chose CMS.
About time Gus stopped with this nonsense about how the club couldn't afford to keep Murray. The truth is he didn't think he could hack it at a higher level. Instead, he went out and spent a boatload of dosh on CMS. At the time, I thought it was good move and was ecstatic with the signing.
But, like Gus, I was wrong. Murray is by far the more clinical finisher and he keeps coming back to haunt us.
mark by the sea
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7:03pm Sat 1 Dec 12
Neville wrote:He is on ten at palace, fact
Mark by the sea states Murray wanted 10k per week,that means he would have been on 2.5k per wk prior to his 75% increase demand thats nonsense.There is currently a wage cap on salaries which is slightly above the figure quoted.
Playing Dunk at the back is always a liability due to a lack of control and just recently his distribution has been dodgy.
Again we had chances but didn't score,acording to radio we seem certain to get a striker in Jan lets hope we are still in touch with the top six by then. I think everyone new Barnes would be back again,think he played well but he really is the managers firm favourite,despite his shortcomings.
mark by the sea
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7:09pm Sat 1 Dec 12
buckler
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7:11pm Sat 1 Dec 12
CAKEBEARD
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7:22pm Sat 1 Dec 12
tug509
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7:26pm Sat 1 Dec 12
buckler wrote:We did ....you lost..bye...UTA
Hoskins, Buckley , Palace ! See you late December for a football lesson! We are watford play on the floor!
tug509
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7:31pm Sat 1 Dec 12
tug509 wrote:Sorry ,how rude of me. Play on the floor, what do you want to know!!!!..UTA
buckler wrote:We did ....you lost..bye...UTA
Hoskins, Buckley , Palace ! See you late December for a football lesson! We are watford play on the floor!
VegasSeagull
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7:33pm Sat 1 Dec 12
CAKEBEARD wrote:Utter drivel.
Taxi for Poyet I'm afraid, he's made so many poor decisions in his reign. There are many better and more accomplished and proven managers out there, Poyet is showng himself to be a novice. He needs to learn his trade somewhere else. I think he will come good but don't practise on us...the time has come to get a new manager. Tony be brave!
tug509
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7:40pm Sat 1 Dec 12
VegasSeagull wrote:Well said my 6000 mile neighbor ,he got us where we are ,he`ll get us up ....................
CAKEBEARD wrote:Utter drivel.
Taxi for Poyet I'm afraid, he's made so many poor decisions in his reign. There are many better and more accomplished and proven managers out there, Poyet is showng himself to be a novice. He needs to learn his trade somewhere else. I think he will come good but don't practise on us...the time has come to get a new manager. Tony be brave!
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Justin
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7:49pm Sat 1 Dec 12
VegasSeagull
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8:02pm Sat 1 Dec 12
tug509 wrote:Tug we got beat by a better team today. Ok if Dunk had not gone so early we might have done better but Palace looked so good in key areas today.
VegasSeagull wrote:Well said my 6000 mile neighbor ,he got us where we are ,he`ll get us up .................... ...............U.... ............T....... .............ACAKEBEARD wrote: Taxi for Poyet I'm afraid, he's made so many poor decisions in his reign. There are many better and more accomplished and proven managers out there, Poyet is showng himself to be a novice. He needs to learn his trade somewhere else. I think he will come good but don't practise on us...the time has come to get a new manager. Tony be brave!Utter drivel.
Last tuesday Gus made a couple of brave changes and we won, today he decided not to have El-Abd on the bench and whilst I don't understand that decision, he must have had a reason for doing so, I just wish he would tell us what it was.
Had El-Abd been on the bench Barnes could have come off and our back line would have retained it's shape. Would it have made any difference to the result, I doubt it but we will never know.
I still have faith in Gus and come the January window we might see some changes. Gus was very honest a few weeks back when he said that we were not yet ready for promotion, for me today proves that.
I'm playing poker this afternoon, I hope my luck is better than our team's.
ps Murray took a dive for the first penalty.
LA Seagull
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8:27pm Sat 1 Dec 12
tug509
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8:30pm Sat 1 Dec 12
If Gus is keeping info on players fitness,that is so worrying on many levels.Too angry to make sense (theres more than a few that will agree) so just hope you take a bundle. UTA
Old Scrote of the Amex
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8:31pm Sat 1 Dec 12
mark by the sea wrote:And how precisely do you know that? I am genuinely intrigued to know how so many know the wages of the players. Are these things made public?
Cms is on 17k a week, Vicente on more than ten, don't believe Gus wanted Murray, nothing to do with wages, Gus is the man, but he failed with forwards time and agin, holroyd the first, berk amp the next, none of his forwards are doing it.
tug509
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8:33pm Sat 1 Dec 12
tug509 wrote:Sorry thought i had qouted Vegas...UTA
Listen mate i totally agree,but you never know what would happen ,if we hadn`t lost a player(for player RE total idiot,who knew the price of this game).
If Gus is keeping info on players fitness,that is so worrying on many levels.Too angry to make sense (theres more than a few that will agree) so just hope you take a bundle. UTA
mark by the sea
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8:45pm Sat 1 Dec 12
tug509
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8:46pm Sat 1 Dec 12
LA Seagull wrote:Gus has more in his bag,he will get us up.
I honestly can't believe why some you fans are saying it's time for gus to get in a taxi and go! Gus Poyet has changed this club from LG1 strugglers to top half championship team in 2 and a bit seasons. He is Amazing, I know we lost today but the ref made two poor decisions. CMS is a terrible finished, if I was Gus cash in on him in Jan and get a natural finisher in!! UTA!! Roll on charlton!
Sorry LA,i think CMS is finishing poorly because of our overall delivery,not because he isn`t a good striker.
Personally,i think the guy is indestructible,he works harder than any other forward i know,and when we start giving him the supply he needs ,he will destroy the tables.
Im just surprised the man has kept his sanity,i say again we are lucky to have this man,or did no one see his efforts today ,just his miss..UTA
SMF20
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8:54pm Sat 1 Dec 12
tug509 wrote:Tug,
LA Seagull wrote:Gus has more in his bag,he will get us up.
I honestly can't believe why some you fans are saying it's time for gus to get in a taxi and go! Gus Poyet has changed this club from LG1 strugglers to top half championship team in 2 and a bit seasons. He is Amazing, I know we lost today but the ref made two poor decisions. CMS is a terrible finished, if I was Gus cash in on him in Jan and get a natural finisher in!! UTA!! Roll on charlton!
Sorry LA,i think CMS is finishing poorly because of our overall delivery,not because he isn`t a good striker.
Personally,i think the guy is indestructible,he works harder than any other forward i know,and when we start giving him the supply he needs ,he will destroy the tables.
Im just surprised the man has kept his sanity,i say again we are lucky to have this man,or did no one see his efforts today ,just his miss..UTA
I agree mate, I think Cms has the potential to be a top man. He had 1 chance today and "yes" he missed it but its unfair to say he is not up to it. It would be very unfair to expect any striker to have a 100% strike rate. Cms just needs a bit of confidence, the right formation to help him as GP promised and a Decent strike partner to feed off.
Roll on Charlton. Uta
PressBoxTeaBoy
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9:09pm Sat 1 Dec 12
mark by the sea wrote:The reason Gus wanted CMS and wasn't bothered about losing Murray is because Gus's game plan is always to keep the ball down and pass it, and play at feet all the way to the opposition goal line.
Cms is on 17k a week, Vicente on more than ten, don't believe Gus wanted Murray, nothing to do with wages, Gus is the man, but he failed with forwards time and agin, holroyd the first, berk amp the next, none of his forwards are doing it.
He considered CMS to be better at that than Murray and he may be right, but what we see now is that CMS needs someone to play off of, and the ideal player for that would have been Murray, instead of the petulant Barnes.
Believe me, Gus is kicking himself now, he' ll never admit that, but everyone around him knows it.
weststandupperlacostearmy
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9:10pm Sat 1 Dec 12
tug509
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9:23pm Sat 1 Dec 12
SMF20 wrote:Sorry SMF20 ,please read my post again,it is pro CMS,im just a bad writer.
tug509 wrote:Tug,
LA Seagull wrote:Gus has more in his bag,he will get us up.
I honestly can't believe why some you fans are saying it's time for gus to get in a taxi and go! Gus Poyet has changed this club from LG1 strugglers to top half championship team in 2 and a bit seasons. He is Amazing, I know we lost today but the ref made two poor decisions. CMS is a terrible finished, if I was Gus cash in on him in Jan and get a natural finisher in!! UTA!! Roll on charlton!
Sorry LA,i think CMS is finishing poorly because of our overall delivery,not because he isn`t a good striker.
Personally,i think the guy is indestructible,he works harder than any other forward i know,and when we start giving him the supply he needs ,he will destroy the tables.
Im just surprised the man has kept his sanity,i say again we are lucky to have this man,or did no one see his efforts today ,just his miss..UTA
I agree mate, I think Cms has the potential to be a top man. He had 1 chance today and "yes" he missed it but its unfair to say he is not up to it. It would be very unfair to expect any striker to have a 100% strike rate. Cms just needs a bit of confidence, the right formation to help him as GP promised and a Decent strike partner to feed off.
Roll on Charlton. Uta
SMF20
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9:27pm Sat 1 Dec 12
tug509 wrote:I know Tug. I was agreeing but also justifying why I think he is the man. Fret not :)
SMF20 wrote:Sorry SMF20 ,please read my post again,it is pro CMS,im just a bad writer.
tug509 wrote:Tug,
LA Seagull wrote:Gus has more in his bag,he will get us up.
I honestly can't believe why some you fans are saying it's time for gus to get in a taxi and go! Gus Poyet has changed this club from LG1 strugglers to top half championship team in 2 and a bit seasons. He is Amazing, I know we lost today but the ref made two poor decisions. CMS is a terrible finished, if I was Gus cash in on him in Jan and get a natural finisher in!! UTA!! Roll on charlton!
Sorry LA,i think CMS is finishing poorly because of our overall delivery,not because he isn`t a good striker.
Personally,i think the guy is indestructible,he works harder than any other forward i know,and when we start giving him the supply he needs ,he will destroy the tables.
Im just surprised the man has kept his sanity,i say again we are lucky to have this man,or did no one see his efforts today ,just his miss..UTA
I agree mate, I think Cms has the potential to be a top man. He had 1 chance today and "yes" he missed it but its unfair to say he is not up to it. It would be very unfair to expect any striker to have a 100% strike rate. Cms just needs a bit of confidence, the right formation to help him as GP promised and a Decent strike partner to feed off.
Roll on Charlton. Uta
Tiger Shark
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11:33pm Sat 1 Dec 12
weststandupperlacostIN GUS WE TRUST!!!!? Utter rubbish, time we got shot now, the bloke was always overrated and now he's been found out, plus he should think before opening his big mouth and embarrassing the club with his stupid excuses!
earmy wrote:
CALM DOWN EVERBODY PLEASE! Come FA Cup week we will be in play off berth or know less than eighth. Is that really that bad a place to be with nearly half the season to go? Gus has got us where we are...so keep the faith!Just because ALOT of you have only been watching since weve had our new home, it doesnt make you loyal fans. Come back in five years time when you have the right to make worthwhile comments not the drivel that the likes of CAKEBEARD come out with. IN GUS WE TRUST
lightyearsahead
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1:05am Sun 2 Dec 12
pablobrowno
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1:15am Sun 2 Dec 12
This draws close parallels with last season's match at St marys. That was also a 'derby' game which in a similar manner we failed to handle the pressure. Good old Mauricio got himself red carded and we gave away a pen and ....hmmmmmnn...lost the game 3-0! Was it the end of our season? No. Did we have it our way at the rematch? Hell yeah!
We can do the same with this game. But we DO need a striker, and Muzza ain't coming back so let's get over it!
tug509
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1:38am Sun 2 Dec 12
lightyearsahead wrote:You say you dont know why we bother wasting our time.
Don't know why you lot even bother wasting your time, you knew you'd get turned over today, more of the same when we visit the ashtray. Would have been put to better use as an ashtray anyway! How can you even call yourselves Brighton anyway, the club you support is in Falmer if you hadn't noticed! Mmmmmm nice away kit as well, thanks for making us all laugh.....
Listen me old fruit ,if you need to ask that question,look at our attendances,the BRIGHTON people are supporting their side.
We love our team,we wear the colours,i notice the lack of shirts for you. Is that because your tight or you dont know back from front,i ask,because i know you spelt YOUR OWN NAME WRONG ON YOUR SHIRTS .
If you knew anything about us you would know,Falmer is a suburb of BRIGHTON.
Listen tiny,the colour of our kit wont matter when we finish above you..
THE AMEX 31,000 in January...and none of it falling down,so you wont feel at home,but im told there is a landfill site nearby ,if your homesick..UTA
Neillo
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11:43am Sun 2 Dec 12
If you look like a pub side, you'll play like a pub side, which is what happened yesterday.
Badly organised, no discipline - all that was missing was some half time oranges and fags by the side of the pitch.
Banging on about having higher attendances and a better stadium do not compensate for being humiliated again in the big match.
GosportGull
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11:45am Sun 2 Dec 12
Gus got it wrong ! Everybody makes mistakes ... What i cant believe was his team selection yesterday ! Hoskins ? Dobbie ? There is too much changing of players .. there needs to be more consistency ... We played rubbish !! It was awful and cringe worthy to watch on the streamed pictures. We lost all shape , couldnt pass , no movement .. i couldnt believe it was our team !
Gus needs to start sorting things out or this season will be over by January ... CMS is a great player , Gus just keeps playing him on his own !! Heaven knows why ! I would have loved to have seen Hoskins holding then playing in CMS with forward runs .. but its never going to happen ! Why oh why BARNES ... he falls over too much , his finishing is terrible .. Well we have Jake to come back soon i would like to see him given another chance .. as for the sickbay ranger Vicente , its becoming a joke to be honest .. you wowuld think his fellow countrymen would get around him and try to convince him to grow up and start playing and earning his large pay cheque !!! If he wants to leave , the best way to put yourself in the shop window is to play well !!!
I think that Gus should start to use the strengths of the players that we have , that mostly he has bought instead of trying to be Barcelona and Hove Albion ! GG
Claude Back
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12:51pm Sun 2 Dec 12
GosportGull wrote:You make some very good points, GG.
I waited until today to comment as was so wound up yesterday to post ... I think we should just let the whole GM saga go away its not going to change and put it to bed for good !
Gus got it wrong ! Everybody makes mistakes ... What i cant believe was his team selection yesterday ! Hoskins ? Dobbie ? There is too much changing of players .. there needs to be more consistency ... We played rubbish !! It was awful and cringe worthy to watch on the streamed pictures. We lost all shape , couldnt pass , no movement .. i couldnt believe it was our team !
Gus needs to start sorting things out or this season will be over by January ... CMS is a great player , Gus just keeps playing him on his own !! Heaven knows why ! I would have loved to have seen Hoskins holding then playing in CMS with forward runs .. but its never going to happen ! Why oh why BARNES ... he falls over too much , his finishing is terrible .. Well we have Jake to come back soon i would like to see him given another chance .. as for the sickbay ranger Vicente , its becoming a joke to be honest .. you wowuld think his fellow countrymen would get around him and try to convince him to grow up and start playing and earning his large pay cheque !!! If he wants to leave , the best way to put yourself in the shop window is to play well !!!
I think that Gus should start to use the strengths of the players that we have , that mostly he has bought instead of trying to be Barcelona and Hove Albion ! GG
Freeloaders
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3:52pm Sun 2 Dec 12
e,and Dobbie are all on much more money than Murray is on at Palace now.Can you please also note there was no sign of Vicente name on the back of yesterdays programme of 38 players.But they did list OatwayJr & Dickenson.
Freeloaders
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3:59pm Sun 2 Dec 12
tug509
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4:17pm Sun 2 Dec 12
GosportGull wrote:Im sure your very good post echoes a lot of us BHA fans feelings..UTA
I waited until today to comment as was so wound up yesterday to post ... I think we should just let the whole GM saga go away its not going to change and put it to bed for good !
Gus got it wrong ! Everybody makes mistakes ... What i cant believe was his team selection yesterday ! Hoskins ? Dobbie ? There is too much changing of players .. there needs to be more consistency ... We played rubbish !! It was awful and cringe worthy to watch on the streamed pictures. We lost all shape , couldnt pass , no movement .. i couldnt believe it was our team !
Gus needs to start sorting things out or this season will be over by January ... CMS is a great player , Gus just keeps playing him on his own !! Heaven knows why ! I would have loved to have seen Hoskins holding then playing in CMS with forward runs .. but its never going to happen ! Why oh why BARNES ... he falls over too much , his finishing is terrible .. Well we have Jake to come back soon i would like to see him given another chance .. as for the sickbay ranger Vicente , its becoming a joke to be honest .. you wowuld think his fellow countrymen would get around him and try to convince him to grow up and start playing and earning his large pay cheque !!! If he wants to leave , the best way to put yourself in the shop window is to play well !!!
I think that Gus should start to use the strengths of the players that we have , that mostly he has bought instead of trying to be Barcelona and Hove Albion ! GG
ps i admire your restraint,i unfortunately possess no such quality,it ten.ds to come from the heart all at once,regardless of whether it is good or bad. Again Albion for ever
Neillo
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6:09pm Sun 2 Dec 12
And that style calls for strikers that have a top conversion rate. BHA don't have such a striker.
GP needs to rethink otherwise another season of also rans and another embarrassment on the cards come March
SicklySeagull
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7:30pm Sun 2 Dec 12
At least recent results have put an end to talk of us playing in the Premiership,leave that to Fantasy Football and be content with what we have got.
weststandupperlacostearmy
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7:44pm Sun 2 Dec 12
Tiger Shark wrote:That over rated that hes still fourth in the betting for Chelsea job and people like Ray Wilkins want him at Chelsea. Stop being a **** Sharkboy xx
weststandupperlacostIN GUS WE TRUST!!!!? Utter rubbish, time we got shot now, the bloke was always overrated and now he's been found out, plus he should think before opening his big mouth and embarrassing the club with his stupid excuses!
earmy wrote:
CALM DOWN EVERBODY PLEASE! Come FA Cup week we will be in play off berth or know less than eighth. Is that really that bad a place to be with nearly half the season to go? Gus has got us where we are...so keep the faith!Just because ALOT of you have only been watching since weve had our new home, it doesnt make you loyal fans. Come back in five years time when you have the right to make worthwhile comments not the drivel that the likes of CAKEBEARD come out with. IN GUS WE TRUST
Tiger Shark
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8:42pm Sun 2 Dec 12
weststandupperlacostPoyet to Chelsea!!? LOl!! Yeah, right, they're welcome to him, I'd love to see how he does there...............
earmy wrote:
Tiger Shark wrote:That over rated that hes still fourth in the betting for Chelsea job and people like Ray Wilkins want him at Chelsea. Stop being a **** Sharkboy xx
weststandupperlacostIN GUS WE TRUST!!!!? Utter rubbish, time we got shot now, the bloke was always overrated and now he's been found out, plus he should think before opening his big mouth and embarrassing the club with his stupid excuses!
earmy wrote:
CALM DOWN EVERBODY PLEASE! Come FA Cup week we will be in play off berth or know less than eighth. Is that really that bad a place to be with nearly half the season to go? Gus has got us where we are...so keep the faith!Just because ALOT of you have only been watching since weve had our new home, it doesnt make you loyal fans. Come back in five years time when you have the right to make worthwhile comments not the drivel that the likes of CAKEBEARD come out with. IN GUS WE TRUST
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weststandupperlacostearmy
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8:59pm Sun 2 Dec 12
the taffster
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1:46am Mon 3 Dec 12
Freeloaders
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7:18pm Mon 3 Dec 12
the taffster wrote:Yet another very good post & a fan with a football brain.Thats why my friend told THFC to take Grant Hall.Dunk is the same player as Elphick much to slow very little pace,and he can not head a ball.Also love your point about pass square across your own box.Its school boy stuff lol.It Poyet & gangster Oatway were that good they would not be here now.
what cms needs is murray upfront with him.which will never happen now,the guy shouldnt have been sold. why did dunk feel compelled to lunge in after 6 mins and get himself sent off.better to have played with 11 players from 1.0 down.bruno and calderon look liabilities when defending. the first rule of defending at schoolboy level is not to pass square across your own box.why are we still doing it and giving away goals.i told you all on here months ago we never should have let murray go and i was critisised.but actually i was right.gus isnt the great manager you make him out to be either.both him and the team are getting found out . alot of poor management decisions,time to go gus.too many crap players in and good ones released.uta
Tiger Shark
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8:12pm Mon 3 Dec 12
weststandupperlacostCurbishley weststandmuppet, he knows the English game and can take defeat without spewing embarrassing rubbish.
earmy wrote:
So Tigerboy,who would u like in the seagull hotseat...
gusset snatcher says...
5:00pm Sat 1 Dec 12
Mackail-Smith signed for B&HA on 4th July 2011
Gusset stated yesterday that there was no money available to keep Murray yet within 34 days B&HA paid £2.75 Million for Mackail-Smith plus a weekly wage in excess of what Murray wanted.
Murray has a better goals per game ratio over his career than Mackail-Smith.