Bruno still missing as Albion look to strengthen ageing defence

The Argus: Bruno, one of Albion's thirtysomething defenders, misses the trip to Blackburn. Bruno, one of Albion's thirtysomething defenders, misses the trip to Blackburn.

 Albion will be without Bruno again for tomorrow night's trip to Blackburn and the Spanish right-back faces a race against time to be involved in Saturday's FA Cup tie at home to Arsenal.


  Bruno has missed six of the last seven matches with an Achilles problem.


  Coach Charlie Oatway told The Argus today: "He will be struggling for tomorrow night. He is getting back to fitness now. It has been a bit of a torturous time for him when you get one of these injuries that don't seem to go away.


  "He is hoping to start training this week, so fingers crossed on that one. I'll have to talk to the medical staff about that.

  "I have just spoken to him briefly and he wants to play as soon as possible and we want him to be part of the squad straight away as well, so we'll have to see how training goes this week with him."


  Albion have to replace third choice centre half Lewis Dunk on the bench for the visit to Ewood Park, due to his involvement in a court case.


  Boss Gus Poyet has not ruled out a renewed bid for 21-year-old Dutch central defender Virgil van Dijk and the Seagulls have already signed Latvian under 21 international Vitalijs Maksimenko defender during the January transfer window.


  Bruno, skipper and centre half Gordon Greer and on-loan left-back Wayne Bridge are all 32, Bruno's deputy Inigo Calderon 31.


  Oatway said: "It's an area (defence) that we'll have to have a look at because of the obvious thing that sticks out in your head and that's the ages of some players.


  "It doesn't mean they are finished but it's an area probably that we would be looking at. We are not going to neglect any area. If a player becomes available who we think could strengthen our squad and it's in our budget and price range then I think we would look to strengthen."

  Lancashire was hit by heavy snow overnight but Blackburn officials say there are no problems with the Ewood Park pitch or access surrounding the stadium and they are confident the fixture, washed out on December 22, will beat the weather this time.

 

 

 

 

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11:38am Mon 21 Jan 13

saraman says...

Andy, find out please when Ulloa is going to get his clearance to play. That's more important right now.
Andy, find out please when Ulloa is going to get his clearance to play. That's more important right now. saraman

11:41am Mon 21 Jan 13

Yogi says...

We've got Dunk & Maks who will both come good but you also need experience so if we can retain Bridgey it would be great.

31/32 is not too old for defenders if they are fit but when we get promotion perhaps their legs might not last or be quick enough.
We've got Dunk & Maks who will both come good but you also need experience so if we can retain Bridgey it would be great. 31/32 is not too old for defenders if they are fit but when we get promotion perhaps their legs might not last or be quick enough. Yogi

11:43am Mon 21 Jan 13

Hovite says...

Rio Ferdinand is 34
Rio Ferdinand is 34 Hovite

11:55am Mon 21 Jan 13

Brighton Barca says...

Hovite wrote:
Rio Ferdinand is 34
exactly!!
[quote][p][bold]Hovite[/bold] wrote: Rio Ferdinand is 34[/p][/quote]exactly!! Brighton Barca

12:08pm Mon 21 Jan 13

Seagull83 says...

It's great that we are looking towards the future, was a bit worried at the end of last Summer window that we were focussing on the now with 1/2 year deals for 30+ players which is great if we get promotion this season but not healthy in the long term.
It's great that we are looking towards the future, was a bit worried at the end of last Summer window that we were focussing on the now with 1/2 year deals for 30+ players which is great if we get promotion this season but not healthy in the long term. Seagull83

12:12pm Mon 21 Jan 13

ballantrrae says...

Good to hear that the Albion are looking to the future.
I can see the advantage in bringing in more defenders now rather than in the Summer since they will get plenty of time to adapt to our playing style.
With GG going out of contract and Bridge's loan spell ending when the season finishes action is needed. The signing of Maksimento was both a statement of intent and a first step in addressing these issues.
With 10 days to go before the window closes I trust that Poyet and Co will make the acquistions needed sooner rather than later. Trying to finalise businees on 31 January might be difficult and potentially frustrating.
It will be interesting to see whether Poyet bids again for van Dijt or whether the club decide to pursue another option at CB. We certainly seem light both numerically and in terms of pace in the central defensive positions.
In looking to the defence and a CB in particular, I am hoping that BHA don't neglect other position and consider bringing in a powerhouse type midfielder to support Bridcutt in central midfield.
With regards to tomorrow night's game at Blackburn it will be interesting to see who Poyet selects as the defensive cover on the bench given Dunk's non-availability. Will he choose Painter (is he fit ?) or will he opt for Vincelot or even Maksimento ? This question graphically demonstrates how threadbare our defensive resources are.
One way or the other the next 10 days could be significant not least because of the Arsenal game which might illustrate exactly how far we have progressed in the last 3 years.
Comments anyone eg VegasSeagull, Farside, Tug509, Alan G Skinner, Dr Baldhead, Saraman, Rolivan, Fratsomrover, SMF 20, Hovite, Mark by the Sea, Jonathan Mouette and other regular posters ?
Good to hear that the Albion are looking to the future. I can see the advantage in bringing in more defenders now rather than in the Summer since they will get plenty of time to adapt to our playing style. With GG going out of contract and Bridge's loan spell ending when the season finishes action is needed. The signing of Maksimento was both a statement of intent and a first step in addressing these issues. With 10 days to go before the window closes I trust that Poyet and Co will make the acquistions needed sooner rather than later. Trying to finalise businees on 31 January might be difficult and potentially frustrating. It will be interesting to see whether Poyet bids again for van Dijt or whether the club decide to pursue another option at CB. We certainly seem light both numerically and in terms of pace in the central defensive positions. In looking to the defence and a CB in particular, I am hoping that BHA don't neglect other position and consider bringing in a powerhouse type midfielder to support Bridcutt in central midfield. With regards to tomorrow night's game at Blackburn it will be interesting to see who Poyet selects as the defensive cover on the bench given Dunk's non-availability. Will he choose Painter (is he fit ?) or will he opt for Vincelot or even Maksimento ? This question graphically demonstrates how threadbare our defensive resources are. One way or the other the next 10 days could be significant not least because of the Arsenal game which might illustrate exactly how far we have progressed in the last 3 years. Comments anyone eg VegasSeagull, Farside, Tug509, Alan G Skinner, Dr Baldhead, Saraman, Rolivan, Fratsomrover, SMF 20, Hovite, Mark by the Sea, Jonathan Mouette and other regular posters ? ballantrrae

12:56pm Mon 21 Jan 13

tug509 says...

Good afternoon ballantrrae,

As you have pointed out,we are not exactly overrun with options at the back. I would like to see Maksimenko given a place on the bench,as an international he should have the composure to cope,and no better place than a league game against a struggling side to prove himself.

I would love to see WB sign for us,the man is pure quality imho. But i believe that is dependent on how well we finish the season. As for GG more of the same imo,if we stay put he will,if we get promotion,he will be one of the casualties.

Gus put a lot of time and effort into Ulloa,and we are all waiting to see if he got it right,personally i think he has. If Gus thinks in equal terms about Van Dijk,then i would expect him to make a new offer,although with Premiership interest i would be surprised if we beat them to his signature.

For tomorrow night i would put Vincelot on standby,as he is incredibly versatile,and more important...willing. New signings are always welcome,and we do need a couple of new ones,i agree with you,a rush on the 31st is not what we need.

Imho we are making a rod for our own back,by not destroying teams when we are the team in control,every Albion fan knows this,but still we sit back after going ahead. However you have played to take the lead,is how you need to play to keep the lead. All the best and as always UTA.
Good afternoon ballantrrae, As you have pointed out,we are not exactly overrun with options at the back. I would like to see Maksimenko given a place on the bench,as an international he should have the composure to cope,and no better place than a league game against a struggling side to prove himself. I would love to see WB sign for us,the man is pure quality imho. But i believe that is dependent on how well we finish the season. As for GG more of the same imo,if we stay put he will,if we get promotion,he will be one of the casualties. Gus put a lot of time and effort into Ulloa,and we are all waiting to see if he got it right,personally i think he has. If Gus thinks in equal terms about Van Dijk,then i would expect him to make a new offer,although with Premiership interest i would be surprised if we beat them to his signature. For tomorrow night i would put Vincelot on standby,as he is incredibly versatile,and more important...willing. New signings are always welcome,and we do need a couple of new ones,i agree with you,a rush on the 31st is not what we need. Imho we are making a rod for our own back,by not destroying teams when we are the team in control,every Albion fan knows this,but still we sit back after going ahead. However you have played to take the lead,is how you need to play to keep the lead. All the best and as always UTA. tug509

12:56pm Mon 21 Jan 13

arc12 says...

I'd like to see us go back in for this Dutch centre half if the budget can spare.
I'd like to see us go back in for this Dutch centre half if the budget can spare. arc12

1:06pm Mon 21 Jan 13

WestStander17 says...

This is where the loss of Grant Hall may hinder us. He would've been coming through just at the right time. More a mistake on his (or his advisor's) part though probably as he possibly could have been playing regular Championship/Prem football within a season or two instead of being in the depths of Spurs' ranks likely to be overlooked for years and then sold.

Good we are looking to the future now though before it becomes a problem later on. I think Dunk will be fine. Yes, he miscontrolled a pass against P*lace and paid for it but apart from that he hasn't done too much wrong in my opinion.
This is where the loss of Grant Hall may hinder us. He would've been coming through just at the right time. More a mistake on his (or his advisor's) part though probably as he possibly could have been playing regular Championship/Prem football within a season or two instead of being in the depths of Spurs' ranks likely to be overlooked for years and then sold. Good we are looking to the future now though before it becomes a problem later on. I think Dunk will be fine. Yes, he miscontrolled a pass against P*lace and paid for it but apart from that he hasn't done too much wrong in my opinion. WestStander17

1:32pm Mon 21 Jan 13

VegasSeagull says...

Ballantrrae, I think an improved offer for the Dutchman is worth the making, the lad is clearly rated by others, two prem clubs that we know of, and that is a plus.

The age of our defenders is not a problem for this season but could be for next so if we have a chance to improve then we should take it. Wayne Bridge will surely head in my direction next year, he would be crazy not to. I think this could be Greer's last season, if we hold on to Bridcutt the captain's arm band should fit him nicely.

I am totally with you on the midfield need, a power house that will drive us forward seems to be lacking from our top 18 players.

My choice for the Dunk replacement would be Painter, a good pro who has stepped up to the plate when recently asked to do so.

Thank God I am not wearing the shoes of Poyet but if I were, then I would start Vicente tomorrow night, the first 45 will be decisive IMHO. I would also consider giving Hoskins the nod with Ulloa (paperwork permitting) CMS to the bench, I would expect CMS to start against Arsenal with Barnes so a rest might be good for him.




.
Ballantrrae, I think an improved offer for the Dutchman is worth the making, the lad is clearly rated by others, two prem clubs that we know of, and that is a plus. The age of our defenders is not a problem for this season but could be for next so if we have a chance to improve then we should take it. Wayne Bridge will surely head in my direction next year, he would be crazy not to. I think this could be Greer's last season, if we hold on to Bridcutt the captain's arm band should fit him nicely. I am totally with you on the midfield need, a power house that will drive us forward seems to be lacking from our top 18 players. My choice for the Dunk replacement would be Painter, a good pro who has stepped up to the plate when recently asked to do so. Thank God I am not wearing the shoes of Poyet but if I were, then I would start Vicente tomorrow night, the first 45 will be decisive IMHO. I would also consider giving Hoskins the nod with Ulloa (paperwork permitting) CMS to the bench, I would expect CMS to start against Arsenal with Barnes so a rest might be good for him. . VegasSeagull

1:35pm Mon 21 Jan 13

Dr Baldhead says...

Hi Ballantrae

Good question. I'd like Vincelot as cover, but that won't happen. I don't really rate Painter at this level, although do acknowledge that he's a good honest pro who has been a good servant to Albion.

Whilst we are light for starting defensive cover, we do have the option of moving Spanish Dave and Dean Hammond back from midfield to defence if needed.
Hi Ballantrae Good question. I'd like Vincelot as cover, but that won't happen. I don't really rate Painter at this level, although do acknowledge that he's a good honest pro who has been a good servant to Albion. Whilst we are light for starting defensive cover, we do have the option of moving Spanish Dave and Dean Hammond back from midfield to defence if needed. Dr Baldhead

1:47pm Mon 21 Jan 13

Hovite says...

ballantrrae, I would agree with all the posts above on here SO FAR. Can't say that too often.

Dr Baldhead, I thought Painter covered for Bridge quite well and he can draw inspiration from him. He seemed to have upped his game and he is still only 27.

More to come from him I think.
ballantrrae, I would agree with all the posts above on here SO FAR. Can't say that too often. Dr Baldhead, I thought Painter covered for Bridge quite well and he can draw inspiration from him. He seemed to have upped his game and he is still only 27. More to come from him I think. Hovite

2:01pm Mon 21 Jan 13

VegasSeagull says...

I do find myself wondering why Vincelot is still with the club, I would have thought he would have been among those gone in this window. I don't say htis with a negative slant against him, quite the opposite.

His days with Brighton are done, or that how it seems to me, there are clubs below our division that would surely benefit from having him. I would have thought Crawley might be interested as they appear to be about to lose a couple of there better players.

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I do find myself wondering why Vincelot is still with the club, I would have thought he would have been among those gone in this window. I don't say htis with a negative slant against him, quite the opposite. His days with Brighton are done, or that how it seems to me, there are clubs below our division that would surely benefit from having him. I would have thought Crawley might be interested as they appear to be about to lose a couple of there better players. . VegasSeagull

2:09pm Mon 21 Jan 13

tinker111 says...

Bruno NO PROBLEM LOPES+ Barnes in front of him will do a far better job
Bruno NO PROBLEM LOPES+ Barnes in front of him will do a far better job tinker111

2:29pm Mon 21 Jan 13

weststandupperlacostearmy says...

Hovite wrote:
Rio Ferdinand is 34
But he doesnt play for Brighton!
[quote][p][bold]Hovite[/bold] wrote: Rio Ferdinand is 34[/p][/quote]But he doesnt play for Brighton! weststandupperlacostearmy

2:31pm Mon 21 Jan 13

tinker111 says...

weststandupperlacost
earmy
wrote:
Hovite wrote:
Rio Ferdinand is 34
But he doesnt play for Brighton!
THANK GOD
[quote][p][bold]weststandupperlacost earmy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hovite[/bold] wrote: Rio Ferdinand is 34[/p][/quote]But he doesnt play for Brighton![/p][/quote]THANK GOD tinker111

3:21pm Mon 21 Jan 13

VegasSeagull says...

My crazy brain is seeing two things going on within the club. We appear to be try to beef up the squad for a run at promotion, that's one thing.

When we look at the pedigree and the age of those we are buying or trying to buy, it also looks to me as though we are preparing for a run next year.

The younger players coming in, have the rest of the season to shape up and be ready to take over from some of the older players should we get promoted. The same applies if we don't make it.

Poyet and Bloom, IMHO, look to be preparing for either outcome, and this is good. The Latvian lad, Ulloa and Dijk if we get him, all talented and all young. It will be interesting to see if any other targets are of the same ilk, if indeed that are any other targets.

Pomotion or not my guess is that a whole sale clearout will occur at the end of the season, if only because some of our squad are of an age where they need to be replaced, or as the case of Bridge he goes anyway, Vicente too.

If I am right then I like this move. It might be that we don't make it this year but the prospect of having a talented young squad for next season is very exciting. I would not be surprised to see the likes of Bruno and Calde retained but in a covering role rather than one of a starting position.

I could be reading this all wrong, I often do.
My crazy brain is seeing two things going on within the club. We appear to be try to beef up the squad for a run at promotion, that's one thing. When we look at the pedigree and the age of those we are buying or trying to buy, it also looks to me as though we are preparing for a run next year. The younger players coming in, have the rest of the season to shape up and be ready to take over from some of the older players should we get promoted. The same applies if we don't make it. Poyet and Bloom, IMHO, look to be preparing for either outcome, and this is good. The Latvian lad, Ulloa and Dijk if we get him, all talented and all young. It will be interesting to see if any other targets are of the same ilk, if indeed that are any other targets. Pomotion or not my guess is that a whole sale clearout will occur at the end of the season, if only because some of our squad are of an age where they need to be replaced, or as the case of Bridge he goes anyway, Vicente too. If I am right then I like this move. It might be that we don't make it this year but the prospect of having a talented young squad for next season is very exciting. I would not be surprised to see the likes of Bruno and Calde retained but in a covering role rather than one of a starting position. I could be reading this all wrong, I often do. VegasSeagull

3:21pm Mon 21 Jan 13

rolivan says...

As I said at the weekend I think Kusczak could do with Some help from the centre backs, in my opinion they have been found wanting. Most of the clubs in the Championship have forwards with Premiership experience unfortunately Adam gets caught out and resorts to too much manhandling and Gordon doesnt have any pace.I am sure the club know they are on borrowed time hence not renewing Gordons contract until the end of the season.I often wonder what goes through a players mind regarding promotion Would it be good for their career?
As I said at the weekend I think Kusczak could do with Some help from the centre backs, in my opinion they have been found wanting. Most of the clubs in the Championship have forwards with Premiership experience unfortunately Adam gets caught out and resorts to too much manhandling and Gordon doesnt have any pace.I am sure the club know they are on borrowed time hence not renewing Gordons contract until the end of the season.I often wonder what goes through a players mind regarding promotion Would it be good for their career? rolivan

3:24pm Mon 21 Jan 13

klemaniac says...

And some really good news from club site
"Albion have completed the purchase of the site at Lancing where the club’s new training facility will be built, meaning construction can now begin in earnest. "
And some really good news from club site "Albion have completed the purchase of the site at Lancing where the club’s new training facility will be built, meaning construction can now begin in earnest. " klemaniac

3:27pm Mon 21 Jan 13

VegasSeagull says...

BREAKING NEWS.

We now own the land to build our new training facility.

It will be built and ready for use in time for next season.
BREAKING NEWS. We now own the land to build our new training facility. It will be built and ready for use in time for next season. VegasSeagull

3:31pm Mon 21 Jan 13

saraman says...

According to Sky Sports on-line the Dutch are expecting an improved bid from The Albion for van Dijk. A £2m bid has been made, what do you think an improved offer should be? £2.5m, £3 or whatever. How is a valuation set, sure as hell I haven't got the nous to say?
According to Sky Sports on-line the Dutch are expecting an improved bid from The Albion for van Dijk. A £2m bid has been made, what do you think an improved offer should be? £2.5m, £3 or whatever. How is a valuation set, sure as hell I haven't got the nous to say? saraman

3:38pm Mon 21 Jan 13

VegasSeagull says...

saraman wrote:
According to Sky Sports on-line the Dutch are expecting an improved bid from The Albion for van Dijk. A £2m bid has been made, what do you think an improved offer should be? £2.5m, £3 or whatever. How is a valuation set, sure as hell I haven't got the nous to say?
If the rumoured offer was indeed two million then I would go to two and a half as a final offer with the extra 500k being paid over time depending on appearances. Maybe 100k per eight matches played.
[quote][p][bold]saraman[/bold] wrote: According to Sky Sports on-line the Dutch are expecting an improved bid from The Albion for van Dijk. A £2m bid has been made, what do you think an improved offer should be? £2.5m, £3 or whatever. How is a valuation set, sure as hell I haven't got the nous to say?[/p][/quote]If the rumoured offer was indeed two million then I would go to two and a half as a final offer with the extra 500k being paid over time depending on appearances. Maybe 100k per eight matches played. VegasSeagull

3:40pm Mon 21 Jan 13

saraman says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
BREAKING NEWS. We now own the land to build our new training facility. It will be built and ready for use in time for next season.
Great news, that should go a long way in attracting promising younsters. Every successful club should have first class youth and training facilities. Well done Tony B and all.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: BREAKING NEWS. We now own the land to build our new training facility. It will be built and ready for use in time for next season.[/p][/quote]Great news, that should go a long way in attracting promising younsters. Every successful club should have first class youth and training facilities. Well done Tony B and all. saraman

3:44pm Mon 21 Jan 13

Gee Jay says...

If the Albion go for this Dutch guy, and increase the offer to get him, it will show real intent by the club to make a big push for Premiership football.

On another matter does anyone know if any of the new seating area is likely to be available for the Arsenal game?
I know the contrators must be up against it at this time of year, but it would be good for the club to get 'bums on seats' asap.
If the Albion go for this Dutch guy, and increase the offer to get him, it will show real intent by the club to make a big push for Premiership football. On another matter does anyone know if any of the new seating area is likely to be available for the Arsenal game? I know the contrators must be up against it at this time of year, but it would be good for the club to get 'bums on seats' asap. Gee Jay

3:46pm Mon 21 Jan 13

VegasSeagull says...

Saraman, as the report on BHA website says, it's the last part of the puzzle.

You could be right about helping to bring players in as youngsters but it might also help in bringing players ready for action right now. I would think that all players want to be part of something that is growing and Brighton certainly are growing.
Saraman, as the report on BHA website says, it's the last part of the puzzle. You could be right about helping to bring players in as youngsters but it might also help in bringing players ready for action right now. I would think that all players want to be part of something that is growing and Brighton certainly are growing. VegasSeagull

3:50pm Mon 21 Jan 13

VegasSeagull says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Saraman, as the report on BHA website says, it's the last part of the puzzle. You could be right about helping to bring players in as youngsters but it might also help in bringing players ready for action right now. I would think that all players want to be part of something that is growing and Brighton certainly are growing.
I do believe that I read an article last week that the contractors are working flat out to get as many seats installed by next saturday as possible.

The report suggested yet a new crowd number record for this match so I guess new seats must be going in.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Saraman, as the report on BHA website says, it's the last part of the puzzle. You could be right about helping to bring players in as youngsters but it might also help in bringing players ready for action right now. I would think that all players want to be part of something that is growing and Brighton certainly are growing.[/p][/quote]I do believe that I read an article last week that the contractors are working flat out to get as many seats installed by next saturday as possible. The report suggested yet a new crowd number record for this match so I guess new seats must be going in. VegasSeagull

3:53pm Mon 21 Jan 13

pablobrowno says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
saraman wrote:
According to Sky Sports on-line the Dutch are expecting an improved bid from The Albion for van Dijk. A £2m bid has been made, what do you think an improved offer should be? £2.5m, £3 or whatever. How is a valuation set, sure as hell I haven't got the nous to say?
If the rumoured offer was indeed two million then I would go to two and a half as a final offer with the extra 500k being paid over time depending on appearances. Maybe 100k per eight matches played.
Fantastic idea. Perhaps you should contact the club with maybe a craft contract written up in case they need further ideas??!!!

;)
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saraman[/bold] wrote: According to Sky Sports on-line the Dutch are expecting an improved bid from The Albion for van Dijk. A £2m bid has been made, what do you think an improved offer should be? £2.5m, £3 or whatever. How is a valuation set, sure as hell I haven't got the nous to say?[/p][/quote]If the rumoured offer was indeed two million then I would go to two and a half as a final offer with the extra 500k being paid over time depending on appearances. Maybe 100k per eight matches played.[/p][/quote]Fantastic idea. Perhaps you should contact the club with maybe a craft contract written up in case they need further ideas??!!! ;) pablobrowno

3:54pm Mon 21 Jan 13

pablobrowno says...

Or indeed a 'draught' contract NOT craft?!!! Bloody phone texting!
Or indeed a 'draught' contract NOT craft?!!! Bloody phone texting! pablobrowno

3:54pm Mon 21 Jan 13

saraman says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Saraman, as the report on BHA website says, it's the last part of the puzzle. You could be right about helping to bring players in as youngsters but it might also help in bringing players ready for action right now. I would think that all players want to be part of something that is growing and Brighton certainly are growing.
Yes Vegas, your'e right. I didn't think of the almost ready now players. Good one.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Saraman, as the report on BHA website says, it's the last part of the puzzle. You could be right about helping to bring players in as youngsters but it might also help in bringing players ready for action right now. I would think that all players want to be part of something that is growing and Brighton certainly are growing.[/p][/quote]Yes Vegas, your'e right. I didn't think of the almost ready now players. Good one. saraman

4:00pm Mon 21 Jan 13

VegasSeagull says...

Our new training facility is going to be enormous in size, eleven pitches, plus first team facilities ect.
Our new training facility is going to be enormous in size, eleven pitches, plus first team facilities ect. VegasSeagull

4:45pm Mon 21 Jan 13

Old Scrote of the Amex says...

rolivan wrote:
As I said at the weekend I think Kusczak could do with Some help from the centre backs, in my opinion they have been found wanting. Most of the clubs in the Championship have forwards with Premiership experience unfortunately Adam gets caught out and resorts to too much manhandling and Gordon doesnt have any pace.I am sure the club know they are on borrowed time hence not renewing Gordons contract until the end of the season.I often wonder what goes through a players mind regarding promotion Would it be good for their career?
And yet we still have one of the very best defensive records in the division. I think the defenders - all of them - are doing just fine!
[quote][p][bold]rolivan[/bold] wrote: As I said at the weekend I think Kusczak could do with Some help from the centre backs, in my opinion they have been found wanting. Most of the clubs in the Championship have forwards with Premiership experience unfortunately Adam gets caught out and resorts to too much manhandling and Gordon doesnt have any pace.I am sure the club know they are on borrowed time hence not renewing Gordons contract until the end of the season.I often wonder what goes through a players mind regarding promotion Would it be good for their career?[/p][/quote]And yet we still have one of the very best defensive records in the division. I think the defenders - all of them - are doing just fine! Old Scrote of the Amex

5:11pm Mon 21 Jan 13

Far gull says...

Old Scrote of the Amex wrote:
rolivan wrote:
As I said at the weekend I think Kusczak could do with Some help from the centre backs, in my opinion they have been found wanting. Most of the clubs in the Championship have forwards with Premiership experience unfortunately Adam gets caught out and resorts to too much manhandling and Gordon doesnt have any pace.I am sure the club know they are on borrowed time hence not renewing Gordons contract until the end of the season.I often wonder what goes through a players mind regarding promotion Would it be good for their career?
And yet we still have one of the very best defensive records in the division. I think the defenders - all of them - are doing just fine!
Obviously glad club looking to forward. on reflection i hope lady luck shines on us from here on in as really changes would be less dramatic if we could go up this season as i feel if we stay in champ whilist no great issue we could end up losing maybe liam etc who might take more than one season to replace .
This season really the best to go up ,retain bridgey even vicente . Come on albion tommorow night.
[quote][p][bold]Old Scrote of the Amex[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rolivan[/bold] wrote: As I said at the weekend I think Kusczak could do with Some help from the centre backs, in my opinion they have been found wanting. Most of the clubs in the Championship have forwards with Premiership experience unfortunately Adam gets caught out and resorts to too much manhandling and Gordon doesnt have any pace.I am sure the club know they are on borrowed time hence not renewing Gordons contract until the end of the season.I often wonder what goes through a players mind regarding promotion Would it be good for their career?[/p][/quote]And yet we still have one of the very best defensive records in the division. I think the defenders - all of them - are doing just fine![/p][/quote]Obviously glad club looking to forward. on reflection i hope lady luck shines on us from here on in as really changes would be less dramatic if we could go up this season as i feel if we stay in champ whilist no great issue we could end up losing maybe liam etc who might take more than one season to replace . This season really the best to go up ,retain bridgey even vicente . Come on albion tommorow night. Far gull

5:34pm Mon 21 Jan 13

saraman says...

Far gull wrote:
Old Scrote of the Amex wrote:
rolivan wrote: As I said at the weekend I think Kusczak could do with Some help from the centre backs, in my opinion they have been found wanting. Most of the clubs in the Championship have forwards with Premiership experience unfortunately Adam gets caught out and resorts to too much manhandling and Gordon doesnt have any pace.I am sure the club know they are on borrowed time hence not renewing Gordons contract until the end of the season.I often wonder what goes through a players mind regarding promotion Would it be good for their career?
And yet we still have one of the very best defensive records in the division. I think the defenders - all of them - are doing just fine!
Obviously glad club looking to forward. on reflection i hope lady luck shines on us from here on in as really changes would be less dramatic if we could go up this season as i feel if we stay in champ whilist no great issue we could end up losing maybe liam etc who might take more than one season to replace . This season really the best to go up ,retain bridgey even vicente . Come on albion tommorow night.
Agree Old Scrote. This season is turning out to be rather peculiar. Every Albion player will be doing their damnedest to get into the play-offs. Therefore they will be looking to win every game (we all know that is not realistic) but that will be the aim. A lot of them know that if they do not go up with The Albion this season they will not be with us for the next. They will therefor be playing for their futures one way or the other. I have never subscribed to the view that we are not ready to go up. If you win enough games you will go up. In other words, a team cannot get itself unpromoted, it just happens wether you're ready or not. The time to ponder the problems is when you get there. I hope this does not come over as too obscure or vague. If we can get it let's take it. UTA
[quote][p][bold]Far gull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Old Scrote of the Amex[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rolivan[/bold] wrote: As I said at the weekend I think Kusczak could do with Some help from the centre backs, in my opinion they have been found wanting. Most of the clubs in the Championship have forwards with Premiership experience unfortunately Adam gets caught out and resorts to too much manhandling and Gordon doesnt have any pace.I am sure the club know they are on borrowed time hence not renewing Gordons contract until the end of the season.I often wonder what goes through a players mind regarding promotion Would it be good for their career?[/p][/quote]And yet we still have one of the very best defensive records in the division. I think the defenders - all of them - are doing just fine![/p][/quote]Obviously glad club looking to forward. on reflection i hope lady luck shines on us from here on in as really changes would be less dramatic if we could go up this season as i feel if we stay in champ whilist no great issue we could end up losing maybe liam etc who might take more than one season to replace . This season really the best to go up ,retain bridgey even vicente . Come on albion tommorow night.[/p][/quote]Agree Old Scrote. This season is turning out to be rather peculiar. Every Albion player will be doing their damnedest to get into the play-offs. Therefore they will be looking to win every game (we all know that is not realistic) but that will be the aim. A lot of them know that if they do not go up with The Albion this season they will not be with us for the next. They will therefor be playing for their futures one way or the other. I have never subscribed to the view that we are not ready to go up. If you win enough games you will go up. In other words, a team cannot get itself unpromoted, it just happens wether you're ready or not. The time to ponder the problems is when you get there. I hope this does not come over as too obscure or vague. If we can get it let's take it. UTA saraman

5:45pm Mon 21 Jan 13

fratsomrover says...

I would have thought that with Bruno out, Calderon or Lopez will cover. I'd expect Vincelot on the bench as cover. Agree we need young defenders with our ageing back four. Interestingly, Van Dyke was at Willem II before going to Groningen and my sister saw a lot of him as she worked there. She wasn't over impressed then, but he is young, tall and learning, but as we know from Roland Bergkamp, being a Dutch U21 international doesn't necessarily mean too much. I so hope we get a result tomorrow but somehow I think the Appleton effect might spur Blackburn on and I cant honestly see how our confidence can be too high after dropping two points on Saturday. I just hope we have a positive approach and go for goals. Would also love to see Hoskins in the side and get a win to really get the morale up for Arsenal on Sat.
I would have thought that with Bruno out, Calderon or Lopez will cover. I'd expect Vincelot on the bench as cover. Agree we need young defenders with our ageing back four. Interestingly, Van Dyke was at Willem II before going to Groningen and my sister saw a lot of him as she worked there. She wasn't over impressed then, but he is young, tall and learning, but as we know from Roland Bergkamp, being a Dutch U21 international doesn't necessarily mean too much. I so hope we get a result tomorrow but somehow I think the Appleton effect might spur Blackburn on and I cant honestly see how our confidence can be too high after dropping two points on Saturday. I just hope we have a positive approach and go for goals. Would also love to see Hoskins in the side and get a win to really get the morale up for Arsenal on Sat. fratsomrover

6:01pm Mon 21 Jan 13

Hovite says...

We are not in the same position as when Roland Bergkamp was brought in, completely different scenario and circumstances. It would be wrong to compare this possible deal.
We are not in the same position as when Roland Bergkamp was brought in, completely different scenario and circumstances. It would be wrong to compare this possible deal. Hovite

6:05pm Mon 21 Jan 13

mikeygit says...

A lot obviously going on behind the scenes and, as usual amd rightly so, Gus is keeping his cards closely to his chest. Have to get new players in as the current pack is some way short of getting us promoted. Too many missed chances, failure to close games down--is it all the players fault or partly the way Gus gets them to play?? So nearly there but with so many teams in this division of a similar standard we need to step up and be BETTER than those other teams. Very competitive division.
A lot obviously going on behind the scenes and, as usual amd rightly so, Gus is keeping his cards closely to his chest. Have to get new players in as the current pack is some way short of getting us promoted. Too many missed chances, failure to close games down--is it all the players fault or partly the way Gus gets them to play?? So nearly there but with so many teams in this division of a similar standard we need to step up and be BETTER than those other teams. Very competitive division. mikeygit

7:10pm Mon 21 Jan 13

ballantrrae says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Saraman, as the report on BHA website says, it's the last part of the puzzle. You could be right about helping to bring players in as youngsters but it might also help in bringing players ready for action right now. I would think that all players want to be part of something that is growing and Brighton certainly are growing.
I do believe that I read an article last week that the contractors are working flat out to get as many seats installed by next saturday as possible.

The report suggested yet a new crowd number record for this match so I guess new seats must be going in.
VegasSeagull and others I believe that an extra 600 seats might be installed in time for the Arsenal game. The original aim was for them to be in by the end of January.
The balance (2,600 odd) should be installed by the beginning of April apparently.
In terms of increasing the bid for van Dijk I would be inclined to offer an extra Euros 300,000 (£250,000) assuming the first BHA bid was £2 million but loan him back to his club. That way we might secure his signature without paying out more than we have to. We can always go back with a further increased offer if needed. The impression I get is that Groningen are resigned to losing van Dijk in the Summer but want to hold on to him until then. By accomodating them we might just land him ahead of others.
A message to Rolivan, how is Brittany ?
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Saraman, as the report on BHA website says, it's the last part of the puzzle. You could be right about helping to bring players in as youngsters but it might also help in bringing players ready for action right now. I would think that all players want to be part of something that is growing and Brighton certainly are growing.[/p][/quote]I do believe that I read an article last week that the contractors are working flat out to get as many seats installed by next saturday as possible. The report suggested yet a new crowd number record for this match so I guess new seats must be going in.[/p][/quote]VegasSeagull and others I believe that an extra 600 seats might be installed in time for the Arsenal game. The original aim was for them to be in by the end of January. The balance (2,600 odd) should be installed by the beginning of April apparently. In terms of increasing the bid for van Dijk I would be inclined to offer an extra Euros 300,000 (£250,000) assuming the first BHA bid was £2 million but loan him back to his club. That way we might secure his signature without paying out more than we have to. We can always go back with a further increased offer if needed. The impression I get is that Groningen are resigned to losing van Dijk in the Summer but want to hold on to him until then. By accomodating them we might just land him ahead of others. A message to Rolivan, how is Brittany ? ballantrrae

8:29pm Mon 21 Jan 13

SMF20 says...

mikeygit wrote:
A lot obviously going on behind the scenes and, as usual amd rightly so, Gus is keeping his cards closely to his chest. Have to get new players in as the current pack is some way short of getting us promoted. Too many missed chances, failure to close games down--is it all the players fault or partly the way Gus gets them to play?? So nearly there but with so many teams in this division of a similar standard we need to step up and be BETTER than those other teams. Very competitive division.
I agree with alot of this Mikey as I do with a lot of what you post.
I'm not sure the players are too far short of what we need to get promoted though, I think it's more about your other point and the way GP sets them up.
I genuinely believe that with the players we have, if Gus took the shackles off and really went for the throat then are not many teams in the Championship that could live with us.
I'm not talking all out attack but just a bit more positive and attack minded than it is now. Keep the back 5 in place and keep Bridcutt anchoring the midfield, let the other 5 though case havoc.
Which team could handle an attacking 5 coming at them of Buckley, Orlandi, Vicente, Ulloa and Cms? Not many.
Anyway, here's to 3 points tomorrow and some attacking intent from the off.
Uta
[quote][p][bold]mikeygit[/bold] wrote: A lot obviously going on behind the scenes and, as usual amd rightly so, Gus is keeping his cards closely to his chest. Have to get new players in as the current pack is some way short of getting us promoted. Too many missed chances, failure to close games down--is it all the players fault or partly the way Gus gets them to play?? So nearly there but with so many teams in this division of a similar standard we need to step up and be BETTER than those other teams. Very competitive division.[/p][/quote]I agree with alot of this Mikey as I do with a lot of what you post. I'm not sure the players are too far short of what we need to get promoted though, I think it's more about your other point and the way GP sets them up. I genuinely believe that with the players we have, if Gus took the shackles off and really went for the throat then are not many teams in the Championship that could live with us. I'm not talking all out attack but just a bit more positive and attack minded than it is now. Keep the back 5 in place and keep Bridcutt anchoring the midfield, let the other 5 though case havoc. Which team could handle an attacking 5 coming at them of Buckley, Orlandi, Vicente, Ulloa and Cms? Not many. Anyway, here's to 3 points tomorrow and some attacking intent from the off. Uta SMF20

8:51pm Mon 21 Jan 13

albionfan33 says...

SMF20 wrote:
mikeygit wrote:
A lot obviously going on behind the scenes and, as usual amd rightly so, Gus is keeping his cards closely to his chest. Have to get new players in as the current pack is some way short of getting us promoted. Too many missed chances, failure to close games down--is it all the players fault or partly the way Gus gets them to play?? So nearly there but with so many teams in this division of a similar standard we need to step up and be BETTER than those other teams. Very competitive division.
I agree with alot of this Mikey as I do with a lot of what you post.
I'm not sure the players are too far short of what we need to get promoted though, I think it's more about your other point and the way GP sets them up.
I genuinely believe that with the players we have, if Gus took the shackles off and really went for the throat then are not many teams in the Championship that could live with us.
I'm not talking all out attack but just a bit more positive and attack minded than it is now. Keep the back 5 in place and keep Bridcutt anchoring the midfield, let the other 5 though case havoc.
Which team could handle an attacking 5 coming at them of Buckley, Orlandi, Vicente, Ulloa and Cms? Not many.
Anyway, here's to 3 points tomorrow and some attacking intent from the off.
Uta
couldnt agree more, the best form of defence is attack! I understand his changing things last season. we was very weak through the middle, but to keep that going this season when we have a much better bk5 and generally better class of player. To hold them back seems a bit pointless if you are not going to use them to there strenghs why get them in in the first place??
[quote][p][bold]SMF20[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mikeygit[/bold] wrote: A lot obviously going on behind the scenes and, as usual amd rightly so, Gus is keeping his cards closely to his chest. Have to get new players in as the current pack is some way short of getting us promoted. Too many missed chances, failure to close games down--is it all the players fault or partly the way Gus gets them to play?? So nearly there but with so many teams in this division of a similar standard we need to step up and be BETTER than those other teams. Very competitive division.[/p][/quote]I agree with alot of this Mikey as I do with a lot of what you post. I'm not sure the players are too far short of what we need to get promoted though, I think it's more about your other point and the way GP sets them up. I genuinely believe that with the players we have, if Gus took the shackles off and really went for the throat then are not many teams in the Championship that could live with us. I'm not talking all out attack but just a bit more positive and attack minded than it is now. Keep the back 5 in place and keep Bridcutt anchoring the midfield, let the other 5 though case havoc. Which team could handle an attacking 5 coming at them of Buckley, Orlandi, Vicente, Ulloa and Cms? Not many. Anyway, here's to 3 points tomorrow and some attacking intent from the off. Uta[/p][/quote]couldnt agree more, the best form of defence is attack! I understand his changing things last season. we was very weak through the middle, but to keep that going this season when we have a much better bk5 and generally better class of player. To hold them back seems a bit pointless if you are not going to use them to there strenghs why get them in in the first place?? albionfan33

9:19pm Mon 21 Jan 13

Far gull says...

albionfan33 wrote:
SMF20 wrote:
mikeygit wrote:
A lot obviously going on behind the scenes and, as usual amd rightly so, Gus is keeping his cards closely to his chest. Have to get new players in as the current pack is some way short of getting us promoted. Too many missed chances, failure to close games down--is it all the players fault or partly the way Gus gets them to play?? So nearly there but with so many teams in this division of a similar standard we need to step up and be BETTER than those other teams. Very competitive division.
I agree with alot of this Mikey as I do with a lot of what you post.
I'm not sure the players are too far short of what we need to get promoted though, I think it's more about your other point and the way GP sets them up.
I genuinely believe that with the players we have, if Gus took the shackles off and really went for the throat then are not many teams in the Championship that could live with us.
I'm not talking all out attack but just a bit more positive and attack minded than it is now. Keep the back 5 in place and keep Bridcutt anchoring the midfield, let the other 5 though case havoc.
Which team could handle an attacking 5 coming at them of Buckley, Orlandi, Vicente, Ulloa and Cms? Not many.
Anyway, here's to 3 points tomorrow and some attacking intent from the off.
Uta
couldnt agree more, the best form of defence is attack! I understand his changing things last season. we was very weak through the middle, but to keep that going this season when we have a much better bk5 and generally better class of player. To hold them back seems a bit pointless if you are not going to use them to there strenghs why get them in in the first place??
Hope gus and tango read this but many on here been posting the same since mid November and no change in tactics as we have the players esp with a fit Vicente .
That said we in many games that have been drawn at hm ,bar one have had plenty of chances just could not finish . We need luck as well as a few tactic changes now.
[quote][p][bold]albionfan33[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SMF20[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mikeygit[/bold] wrote: A lot obviously going on behind the scenes and, as usual amd rightly so, Gus is keeping his cards closely to his chest. Have to get new players in as the current pack is some way short of getting us promoted. Too many missed chances, failure to close games down--is it all the players fault or partly the way Gus gets them to play?? So nearly there but with so many teams in this division of a similar standard we need to step up and be BETTER than those other teams. Very competitive division.[/p][/quote]I agree with alot of this Mikey as I do with a lot of what you post. I'm not sure the players are too far short of what we need to get promoted though, I think it's more about your other point and the way GP sets them up. I genuinely believe that with the players we have, if Gus took the shackles off and really went for the throat then are not many teams in the Championship that could live with us. I'm not talking all out attack but just a bit more positive and attack minded than it is now. Keep the back 5 in place and keep Bridcutt anchoring the midfield, let the other 5 though case havoc. Which team could handle an attacking 5 coming at them of Buckley, Orlandi, Vicente, Ulloa and Cms? Not many. Anyway, here's to 3 points tomorrow and some attacking intent from the off. Uta[/p][/quote]couldnt agree more, the best form of defence is attack! I understand his changing things last season. we was very weak through the middle, but to keep that going this season when we have a much better bk5 and generally better class of player. To hold them back seems a bit pointless if you are not going to use them to there strenghs why get them in in the first place??[/p][/quote]Hope gus and tango read this but many on here been posting the same since mid November and no change in tactics as we have the players esp with a fit Vicente . That said we in many games that have been drawn at hm ,bar one have had plenty of chances just could not finish . We need luck as well as a few tactic changes now. Far gull

9:45pm Mon 21 Jan 13

VegasSeagull says...

So we need a change in tactics and we also need some luck, that seems to be what some are suggesting.

So is Gus picking the right team and using them in the right way but just unlucky.

Maybe luck has nothing to do with it and he is simply picking the wrong team, as some might suggest.

We also have the opinion that he is picking the right team but not using them in the wrong way and he is unlucky.

The all out attack approach is also suggested. Bridcutt the only defensive midfield player with Buckley, Orlandi and Vicente attacking and Ulloa with CMS up front. Attack being the best form of defense.

I wonder who is right.

For me I say, Bridcutt and one other, Crofts/Hammnd.

Orlandi and Vicente.

Ulloa and CMS.

Pick the subs as like for like replacements.

Forget luck rely on skill.,
So we need a change in tactics and we also need some luck, that seems to be what some are suggesting. So is Gus picking the right team and using them in the right way but just unlucky. Maybe luck has nothing to do with it and he is simply picking the wrong team, as some might suggest. We also have the opinion that he is picking the right team but not using them in the wrong way and he is unlucky. The all out attack approach is also suggested. Bridcutt the only defensive midfield player with Buckley, Orlandi and Vicente attacking and Ulloa with CMS up front. Attack being the best form of defense. I wonder who is right. For me I say, Bridcutt and one other, Crofts/Hammnd. Orlandi and Vicente. Ulloa and CMS. Pick the subs as like for like replacements. Forget luck rely on skill., VegasSeagull

10:07pm Mon 21 Jan 13

rolivan says...

ballantrrae wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Saraman, as the report on BHA website says, it's the last part of the puzzle. You could be right about helping to bring players in as youngsters but it might also help in bringing players ready for action right now. I would think that all players want to be part of something that is growing and Brighton certainly are growing.
I do believe that I read an article last week that the contractors are working flat out to get as many seats installed by next saturday as possible.

The report suggested yet a new crowd number record for this match so I guess new seats must be going in.
VegasSeagull and others I believe that an extra 600 seats might be installed in time for the Arsenal game. The original aim was for them to be in by the end of January.
The balance (2,600 odd) should be installed by the beginning of April apparently.
In terms of increasing the bid for van Dijk I would be inclined to offer an extra Euros 300,000 (£250,000) assuming the first BHA bid was £2 million but loan him back to his club. That way we might secure his signature without paying out more than we have to. We can always go back with a further increased offer if needed. The impression I get is that Groningen are resigned to losing van Dijk in the Summer but want to hold on to him until then. By accomodating them we might just land him ahead of others.
A message to Rolivan, how is Brittany ?
It is one of the warmest places in France at the moment but still cold with a bit of sun this afternoon.
[quote][p][bold]ballantrrae[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Saraman, as the report on BHA website says, it's the last part of the puzzle. You could be right about helping to bring players in as youngsters but it might also help in bringing players ready for action right now. I would think that all players want to be part of something that is growing and Brighton certainly are growing.[/p][/quote]I do believe that I read an article last week that the contractors are working flat out to get as many seats installed by next saturday as possible. The report suggested yet a new crowd number record for this match so I guess new seats must be going in.[/p][/quote]VegasSeagull and others I believe that an extra 600 seats might be installed in time for the Arsenal game. The original aim was for them to be in by the end of January. The balance (2,600 odd) should be installed by the beginning of April apparently. In terms of increasing the bid for van Dijk I would be inclined to offer an extra Euros 300,000 (£250,000) assuming the first BHA bid was £2 million but loan him back to his club. That way we might secure his signature without paying out more than we have to. We can always go back with a further increased offer if needed. The impression I get is that Groningen are resigned to losing van Dijk in the Summer but want to hold on to him until then. By accomodating them we might just land him ahead of others. A message to Rolivan, how is Brittany ?[/p][/quote]It is one of the warmest places in France at the moment but still cold with a bit of sun this afternoon. rolivan

10:11pm Mon 21 Jan 13

SMF20 says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
So we need a change in tactics and we also need some luck, that seems to be what some are suggesting.

So is Gus picking the right team and using them in the right way but just unlucky.

Maybe luck has nothing to do with it and he is simply picking the wrong team, as some might suggest.

We also have the opinion that he is picking the right team but not using them in the wrong way and he is unlucky.

The all out attack approach is also suggested. Bridcutt the only defensive midfield player with Buckley, Orlandi and Vicente attacking and Ulloa with CMS up front. Attack being the best form of defense.

I wonder who is right.

For me I say, Bridcutt and one other, Crofts/Hammnd.

Orlandi and Vicente.

Ulloa and CMS.

Pick the subs as like for like replacements.

Forget luck rely on skill.,
I'd agree I'd either Crofts or Hammond were the player we had 1st time around. Sadly though they have both been largely ineffective since they returned.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: So we need a change in tactics and we also need some luck, that seems to be what some are suggesting. So is Gus picking the right team and using them in the right way but just unlucky. Maybe luck has nothing to do with it and he is simply picking the wrong team, as some might suggest. We also have the opinion that he is picking the right team but not using them in the wrong way and he is unlucky. The all out attack approach is also suggested. Bridcutt the only defensive midfield player with Buckley, Orlandi and Vicente attacking and Ulloa with CMS up front. Attack being the best form of defense. I wonder who is right. For me I say, Bridcutt and one other, Crofts/Hammnd. Orlandi and Vicente. Ulloa and CMS. Pick the subs as like for like replacements. Forget luck rely on skill.,[/p][/quote]I'd agree I'd either Crofts or Hammond were the player we had 1st time around. Sadly though they have both been largely ineffective since they returned. SMF20

10:13pm Mon 21 Jan 13

SMF20 says...

SMF20 wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
So we need a change in tactics and we also need some luck, that seems to be what some are suggesting.

So is Gus picking the right team and using them in the right way but just unlucky.

Maybe luck has nothing to do with it and he is simply picking the wrong team, as some might suggest.

We also have the opinion that he is picking the right team but not using them in the wrong way and he is unlucky.

The all out attack approach is also suggested. Bridcutt the only defensive midfield player with Buckley, Orlandi and Vicente attacking and Ulloa with CMS up front. Attack being the best form of defense.

I wonder who is right.

For me I say, Bridcutt and one other, Crofts/Hammnd.

Orlandi and Vicente.

Ulloa and CMS.

Pick the subs as like for like replacements.

Forget luck rely on skill.,
I'd agree I'd either Crofts or Hammond were the player we had 1st time around. Sadly though they have both been largely ineffective since they returned.
Hence Ballantrrae mentioning the need for a powerhouse midfielder. I couldn't agree with him more.
[quote][p][bold]SMF20[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: So we need a change in tactics and we also need some luck, that seems to be what some are suggesting. So is Gus picking the right team and using them in the right way but just unlucky. Maybe luck has nothing to do with it and he is simply picking the wrong team, as some might suggest. We also have the opinion that he is picking the right team but not using them in the wrong way and he is unlucky. The all out attack approach is also suggested. Bridcutt the only defensive midfield player with Buckley, Orlandi and Vicente attacking and Ulloa with CMS up front. Attack being the best form of defense. I wonder who is right. For me I say, Bridcutt and one other, Crofts/Hammnd. Orlandi and Vicente. Ulloa and CMS. Pick the subs as like for like replacements. Forget luck rely on skill.,[/p][/quote]I'd agree I'd either Crofts or Hammond were the player we had 1st time around. Sadly though they have both been largely ineffective since they returned.[/p][/quote]Hence Ballantrrae mentioning the need for a powerhouse midfielder. I couldn't agree with him more. SMF20

11:00pm Mon 21 Jan 13

ballantrrae says...

SMF20 wrote:
SMF20 wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
So we need a change in tactics and we also need some luck, that seems to be what some are suggesting.

So is Gus picking the right team and using them in the right way but just unlucky.

Maybe luck has nothing to do with it and he is simply picking the wrong team, as some might suggest.

We also have the opinion that he is picking the right team but not using them in the wrong way and he is unlucky.

The all out attack approach is also suggested. Bridcutt the only defensive midfield player with Buckley, Orlandi and Vicente attacking and Ulloa with CMS up front. Attack being the best form of defense.

I wonder who is right.

For me I say, Bridcutt and one other, Crofts/Hammnd.

Orlandi and Vicente.

Ulloa and CMS.

Pick the subs as like for like replacements.

Forget luck rely on skill.,
I'd agree I'd either Crofts or Hammond were the player we had 1st time around. Sadly though they have both been largely ineffective since they returned.
Hence Ballantrrae mentioning the need for a powerhouse midfielder. I couldn't agree with him more.
Thanks for the vote of confidence SMF 20.
In terms of line up for the front 6 what about this:-
David or Buckley, Hammond or Bruno or a Powerhouse midfielder, Bridcutt, Orlandi in midfield with Ulloa and CMS up front with Vicente replacing CMS with 20 minutes to go. Hoskins on the bench with Barnes as other sub options.
Obviously if Bruno was in midfield Calde would be selected at RB. One of my early season memories this campaign is Bruno's surging runs down the right. It is worth bearing in mind the fact that Bruno has more 'assists' (5)than anyone else.
Finally fingers crossed for Tuesday night against Blackburn.
[quote][p][bold]SMF20[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SMF20[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: So we need a change in tactics and we also need some luck, that seems to be what some are suggesting. So is Gus picking the right team and using them in the right way but just unlucky. Maybe luck has nothing to do with it and he is simply picking the wrong team, as some might suggest. We also have the opinion that he is picking the right team but not using them in the wrong way and he is unlucky. The all out attack approach is also suggested. Bridcutt the only defensive midfield player with Buckley, Orlandi and Vicente attacking and Ulloa with CMS up front. Attack being the best form of defense. I wonder who is right. For me I say, Bridcutt and one other, Crofts/Hammnd. Orlandi and Vicente. Ulloa and CMS. Pick the subs as like for like replacements. Forget luck rely on skill.,[/p][/quote]I'd agree I'd either Crofts or Hammond were the player we had 1st time around. Sadly though they have both been largely ineffective since they returned.[/p][/quote]Hence Ballantrrae mentioning the need for a powerhouse midfielder. I couldn't agree with him more.[/p][/quote]Thanks for the vote of confidence SMF 20. In terms of line up for the front 6 what about this:- David or Buckley, Hammond or Bruno or a Powerhouse midfielder, Bridcutt, Orlandi in midfield with Ulloa and CMS up front with Vicente replacing CMS with 20 minutes to go. Hoskins on the bench with Barnes as other sub options. Obviously if Bruno was in midfield Calde would be selected at RB. One of my early season memories this campaign is Bruno's surging runs down the right. It is worth bearing in mind the fact that Bruno has more 'assists' (5)than anyone else. Finally fingers crossed for Tuesday night against Blackburn. ballantrrae

11:38pm Mon 21 Jan 13

championshipgull says...

ballantrrae wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Saraman, as the report on BHA website says, it's the last part of the puzzle. You could be right about helping to bring players in as youngsters but it might also help in bringing players ready for action right now. I would think that all players want to be part of something that is growing and Brighton certainly are growing.
I do believe that I read an article last week that the contractors are working flat out to get as many seats installed by next saturday as possible.

The report suggested yet a new crowd number record for this match so I guess new seats must be going in.
VegasSeagull and others I believe that an extra 600 seats might be installed in time for the Arsenal game. The original aim was for them to be in by the end of January.
The balance (2,600 odd) should be installed by the beginning of April apparently.
In terms of increasing the bid for van Dijk I would be inclined to offer an extra Euros 300,000 (£250,000) assuming the first BHA bid was £2 million but loan him back to his club. That way we might secure his signature without paying out more than we have to. We can always go back with a further increased offer if needed. The impression I get is that Groningen are resigned to losing van Dijk in the Summer but want to hold on to him until then. By accomodating them we might just land him ahead of others.
A message to Rolivan, how is Brittany ?
FC Groningen are only 3 points off relegation at the moment after losing 0-2 at home to Utrecht yesterday. The supporters of Groningen named Kirm Essent Man of the Match. The winger got 26% of the votes and Virgil van Dijk (12%) .
Quite like the idea of the supporters voting but if Groningen are going to get in a relegation battle I don’t think its going to help our chances of getting Van Dijk.
Looking at the fixtures coming up and the way we are picking up injuries I think we will need him sooner rather than latter.
[quote][p][bold]ballantrrae[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Saraman, as the report on BHA website says, it's the last part of the puzzle. You could be right about helping to bring players in as youngsters but it might also help in bringing players ready for action right now. I would think that all players want to be part of something that is growing and Brighton certainly are growing.[/p][/quote]I do believe that I read an article last week that the contractors are working flat out to get as many seats installed by next saturday as possible. The report suggested yet a new crowd number record for this match so I guess new seats must be going in.[/p][/quote]VegasSeagull and others I believe that an extra 600 seats might be installed in time for the Arsenal game. The original aim was for them to be in by the end of January. The balance (2,600 odd) should be installed by the beginning of April apparently. In terms of increasing the bid for van Dijk I would be inclined to offer an extra Euros 300,000 (£250,000) assuming the first BHA bid was £2 million but loan him back to his club. That way we might secure his signature without paying out more than we have to. We can always go back with a further increased offer if needed. The impression I get is that Groningen are resigned to losing van Dijk in the Summer but want to hold on to him until then. By accomodating them we might just land him ahead of others. A message to Rolivan, how is Brittany ?[/p][/quote]FC Groningen are only 3 points off relegation at the moment after losing 0-2 at home to Utrecht yesterday. The supporters of Groningen named Kirm Essent Man of the Match. The winger got 26% of the votes and Virgil van Dijk (12%) . Quite like the idea of the supporters voting but if Groningen are going to get in a relegation battle I don’t think its going to help our chances of getting Van Dijk. Looking at the fixtures coming up and the way we are picking up injuries I think we will need him sooner rather than latter. championshipgull

12:40am Tue 22 Jan 13

championshipgull says...

Getting stronger suggestions on twitter and in the media that we are going back for Van Dijk.

http://www.football-
oranje.com/brighton-
move-for-groningen-d
efender/
Getting stronger suggestions on twitter and in the media that we are going back for Van Dijk. http://www.football- oranje.com/brighton- move-for-groningen-d efender/ championshipgull

2:50am Tue 22 Jan 13

Freeloaders says...

WestStander17 wrote:
This is where the loss of Grant Hall may hinder us. He would've been coming through just at the right time. More a mistake on his (or his advisor's) part though probably as he possibly could have been playing regular Championship/Prem football within a season or two instead of being in the depths of Spurs' ranks likely to be overlooked for years and then sold.

Good we are looking to the future now though before it becomes a problem later on. I think Dunk will be fine. Yes, he miscontrolled a pass against P*lace and paid for it but apart from that he hasn't done too much wrong in my opinion.
LOL. Do you have a brain Weststander17.A mistake on his advisor's part,"or his."Like the Argus told you last week Spurs were watching Grant Hall for well over a year.They did not just give Brighton 1.4million because they like us.For your information he plays almost every game in their under21s.When the scouts were watching Grant Hall they did also get to see Dunk,Elphick,and Cook.Reading made a move for that Crawley guy because his a 80% better player than Dunk.Even when not playing in our first team."Not one other club will even take it on loan."Poyets words,"He has little pace & can't control the ball.Watch the games against Liverpool,West Ham,and Chelsea pre-season.Even the brain dead should see it has know pace.If we go by your thinking Spurs have given us 1.4million for a player they really think is rubbish.Then gone how about we let Brighton keep the really good guy Dunk LOL.The guy is vile on & off the field.
[quote][p][bold]WestStander17[/bold] wrote: This is where the loss of Grant Hall may hinder us. He would've been coming through just at the right time. More a mistake on his (or his advisor's) part though probably as he possibly could have been playing regular Championship/Prem football within a season or two instead of being in the depths of Spurs' ranks likely to be overlooked for years and then sold. Good we are looking to the future now though before it becomes a problem later on. I think Dunk will be fine. Yes, he miscontrolled a pass against P*lace and paid for it but apart from that he hasn't done too much wrong in my opinion.[/p][/quote]LOL. Do you have a brain Weststander17.A mistake on his advisor's part,"or his."Like the Argus told you last week Spurs were watching Grant Hall for well over a year.They did not just give Brighton 1.4million because they like us.For your information he plays almost every game in their under21s.When the scouts were watching Grant Hall they did also get to see Dunk,Elphick,and Cook.Reading made a move for that Crawley guy because his a 80% better player than Dunk.Even when not playing in our first team."Not one other club will even take it on loan."Poyets words,"He has little pace & can't control the ball.Watch the games against Liverpool,West Ham,and Chelsea pre-season.Even the brain dead should see it has know pace.If we go by your thinking Spurs have given us 1.4million for a player they really think is rubbish.Then gone how about we let Brighton keep the really good guy Dunk LOL.The guy is vile on & off the field. Freeloaders

3:05am Tue 22 Jan 13

Freeloaders says...

Old Scrote of the Amex wrote:
rolivan wrote:
As I said at the weekend I think Kusczak could do with Some help from the centre backs, in my opinion they have been found wanting. Most of the clubs in the Championship have forwards with Premiership experience unfortunately Adam gets caught out and resorts to too much manhandling and Gordon doesnt have any pace.I am sure the club know they are on borrowed time hence not renewing Gordons contract until the end of the season.I often wonder what goes through a players mind regarding promotion Would it be good for their career?
And yet we still have one of the very best defensive records in the division. I think the defenders - all of them - are doing just fine!
Can't you read.His talking about the future LOL.Charlie is just pointing out they are getting on a bit.Plus Bridge has know chance of being here next season if we don't go up.Also please note there is know rubbish talk about Dunk being one for the future in the story.The club know what it is,and know for sure he is know prem-league player.
[quote][p][bold]Old Scrote of the Amex[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rolivan[/bold] wrote: As I said at the weekend I think Kusczak could do with Some help from the centre backs, in my opinion they have been found wanting. Most of the clubs in the Championship have forwards with Premiership experience unfortunately Adam gets caught out and resorts to too much manhandling and Gordon doesnt have any pace.I am sure the club know they are on borrowed time hence not renewing Gordons contract until the end of the season.I often wonder what goes through a players mind regarding promotion Would it be good for their career?[/p][/quote]And yet we still have one of the very best defensive records in the division. I think the defenders - all of them - are doing just fine![/p][/quote]Can't you read.His talking about the future LOL.Charlie is just pointing out they are getting on a bit.Plus Bridge has know chance of being here next season if we don't go up.Also please note there is know rubbish talk about Dunk being one for the future in the story.The club know what it is,and know for sure he is know prem-league player. Freeloaders

7:23am Tue 22 Jan 13

brightonup says...

Please don't start posting this discredited rubbish again. The debate is over.
Please don't start posting this discredited rubbish again. The debate is over. brightonup

7:56am Tue 22 Jan 13

hannover seagull says...

WestStander17 wrote:
This is where the loss of Grant Hall may hinder us. He would've been coming through just at the right time. More a mistake on his (or his advisor's) part though probably as he possibly could have been playing regular Championship/Prem football within a season or two instead of being in the depths of Spurs' ranks likely to be overlooked for years and then sold.

Good we are looking to the future now though before it becomes a problem later on. I think Dunk will be fine. Yes, he miscontrolled a pass against P*lace and paid for it but apart from that he hasn't done too much wrong in my opinion.
Good point about Hall

He would probably be in the side now had he not chased the dream
Can´t see him getting out of Spurs U21 side for a long time if ever.
[quote][p][bold]WestStander17[/bold] wrote: This is where the loss of Grant Hall may hinder us. He would've been coming through just at the right time. More a mistake on his (or his advisor's) part though probably as he possibly could have been playing regular Championship/Prem football within a season or two instead of being in the depths of Spurs' ranks likely to be overlooked for years and then sold. Good we are looking to the future now though before it becomes a problem later on. I think Dunk will be fine. Yes, he miscontrolled a pass against P*lace and paid for it but apart from that he hasn't done too much wrong in my opinion.[/p][/quote]Good point about Hall He would probably be in the side now had he not chased the dream Can´t see him getting out of Spurs U21 side for a long time if ever. hannover seagull

9:54am Tue 22 Jan 13

WestStander17 says...

Freeloaders wrote:
WestStander17 wrote: This is where the loss of Grant Hall may hinder us. He would've been coming through just at the right time. More a mistake on his (or his advisor's) part though probably as he possibly could have been playing regular Championship/Prem football within a season or two instead of being in the depths of Spurs' ranks likely to be overlooked for years and then sold. Good we are looking to the future now though before it becomes a problem later on. I think Dunk will be fine. Yes, he miscontrolled a pass against P*lace and paid for it but apart from that he hasn't done too much wrong in my opinion.
LOL. Do you have a brain Weststander17.A mistake on his advisor's part,"or his."Like the Argus told you last week Spurs were watching Grant Hall for well over a year.They did not just give Brighton 1.4million because they like us.For your information he plays almost every game in their under21s.When the scouts were watching Grant Hall they did also get to see Dunk,Elphick,and Cook.Reading made a move for that Crawley guy because his a 80% better player than Dunk.Even when not playing in our first team."Not one other club will even take it on loan."Poyets words,"He has little pace & can't control the ball.Watch the games against Liverpool,West Ham,and Chelsea pre-season.Even the brain dead should see it has know pace.If we go by your thinking Spurs have given us 1.4million for a player they really think is rubbish.Then gone how about we let Brighton keep the really good guy Dunk LOL.The guy is vile on & off the field.
Firstly, even the brain dead should KNOW it is "NO PACE" and not "KNOW PACE"!

Secondly, I was never debating whether Dunk is better than Hall or vice versa! Spurs watched and wanted Hall, that's fine. In the times I saw him play, I was impressed too. Good acquisition by them. I was saying that possibly it was a mistake by Hall or his advisors to decide to leave Brighton and go to Spurs U21s. He may well be playing every week for the U21s but he will have to exceptionally well to get from there into their first team. To get AVB to trust him in the Prem rather than going out and bringing a tried and tested defender in from elsewhere. He might do it, I hope he does. It would show young English players can get through the ranks. But, he would be playing regular Championship/Premier
ship football much sooner by staying with us. He might have been by now!

As for Dunk, he may not have pace which will make it harder for him. But, that doesn't rule him out forever. John Terry, for example, has never been quick but he has been a great defender for Chelsea & England for years. I couldn't care less who Reading's scouts are looking at! I seem to remember Dunk being linked with other clubs when he first broke through though. Maybe we should have sold him then, that's up for debate. But we didn't and I don't think he can be totally written off just yet. I would pick him ahead of GG or El Abd at the moment but I don't go into a sweaty panic when he is in the team either!
[quote][p][bold]Freeloaders[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WestStander17[/bold] wrote: This is where the loss of Grant Hall may hinder us. He would've been coming through just at the right time. More a mistake on his (or his advisor's) part though probably as he possibly could have been playing regular Championship/Prem football within a season or two instead of being in the depths of Spurs' ranks likely to be overlooked for years and then sold. Good we are looking to the future now though before it becomes a problem later on. I think Dunk will be fine. Yes, he miscontrolled a pass against P*lace and paid for it but apart from that he hasn't done too much wrong in my opinion.[/p][/quote]LOL. Do you have a brain Weststander17.A mistake on his advisor's part,"or his."Like the Argus told you last week Spurs were watching Grant Hall for well over a year.They did not just give Brighton 1.4million because they like us.For your information he plays almost every game in their under21s.When the scouts were watching Grant Hall they did also get to see Dunk,Elphick,and Cook.Reading made a move for that Crawley guy because his a 80% better player than Dunk.Even when not playing in our first team."Not one other club will even take it on loan."Poyets words,"He has little pace & can't control the ball.Watch the games against Liverpool,West Ham,and Chelsea pre-season.Even the brain dead should see it has know pace.If we go by your thinking Spurs have given us 1.4million for a player they really think is rubbish.Then gone how about we let Brighton keep the really good guy Dunk LOL.The guy is vile on & off the field.[/p][/quote]Firstly, even the brain dead should KNOW it is "NO PACE" and not "KNOW PACE"! Secondly, I was never debating whether Dunk is better than Hall or vice versa! Spurs watched and wanted Hall, that's fine. In the times I saw him play, I was impressed too. Good acquisition by them. I was saying that possibly it was a mistake by Hall or his advisors to decide to leave Brighton and go to Spurs U21s. He may well be playing every week for the U21s but he will have to exceptionally well to get from there into their first team. To get AVB to trust him in the Prem rather than going out and bringing a tried and tested defender in from elsewhere. He might do it, I hope he does. It would show young English players can get through the ranks. But, he would be playing regular Championship/Premier ship football much sooner by staying with us. He might have been by now! As for Dunk, he may not have pace which will make it harder for him. But, that doesn't rule him out forever. John Terry, for example, has never been quick but he has been a great defender for Chelsea & England for years. I couldn't care less who Reading's scouts are looking at! I seem to remember Dunk being linked with other clubs when he first broke through though. Maybe we should have sold him then, that's up for debate. But we didn't and I don't think he can be totally written off just yet. I would pick him ahead of GG or El Abd at the moment but I don't go into a sweaty panic when he is in the team either! WestStander17

10:03am Tue 22 Jan 13

WestStander17 says...

Sorry, that was "WOULDN'T pick him over GG or El Abd at the moment"
Sorry, that was "WOULDN'T pick him over GG or El Abd at the moment" WestStander17

6:41pm Tue 22 Jan 13

brightonup says...

One of the posters on here is obsessed with Dunk.....

Does anyone know, or can anyone guess why..........?
One of the posters on here is obsessed with Dunk..... Does anyone know, or can anyone guess why..........? brightonup

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