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Dutch ace could snub Premier League to join Albion (From The Argus)
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Dutch ace could snub Premier League to join Albion
9:00am Tuesday 22nd January 2013 in Sport By Andy Naylor
Albion transfer target Virgil van Dijk could snub the Premier League in favour of a move to the Seagulls, his agent has revealed.
Henk-Maarten Chin has described Albion as a “very interesting option”, as it will give van Dijk, 21, more chance of playing regular first team football.
The Argus website revealed on Friday that Albion’s undisclosed bid for 6ft 4ins centre half van Dijk had been turned down by his club Groningen.
Boss Gus Poyet, speaking in yesterday’s Argus, refused to rule out a fresh offer for the Dutch under-21 international, who has also been linked with Everton, Newcastle and Sunderland, as well as attracting interest from Germany.
Chin told The Argus: “I hope Brighton might come back. It’s possible. Virgil would love to go to England and we are very open to Brighton.
“It would be an interesting move for him, especially on the football side of things.
“Obviously, there are some clubs in the Premier League interested but it might be good for him to go to a club where he can play. That’s important to him, so it’s a very interesting option for us.”
<p><b>Two page preview of Albion's match at Blackburn tonight in The Argus today</b></p>
Comments(66)
graham w
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9:15am Tue 22 Jan 13
russellsnr2
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9:20am Tue 22 Jan 13
pinta harveys
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9:22am Tue 22 Jan 13
Alan G Skinner
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9:33am Tue 22 Jan 13
Jonathan Mouette
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9:36am Tue 22 Jan 13
Jonathan Mouette
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9:39am Tue 22 Jan 13
JollyRoger
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9:41am Tue 22 Jan 13
russellsnr2 wrote:No.
Don't like this bit "Dutch ace could snub Premier League" as we will be in the Premiere next season, will we not?
WisdomSpeaks
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9:43am Tue 22 Jan 13
To more immediate things - does anyone know if this international clearance for Ulloa has to come from the Argentinian FA or the Spanish FA?
I don't understand how it always seems to take Albion so long to get international clearances when other clubs seem to get them easily and immediately. Remember we had the same problem with Harley and that was only Wales!
Anybody on here have any information on this subject?
Gibseagull
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9:46am Tue 22 Jan 13
tug509
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9:48am Tue 22 Jan 13
Would love to see the big guy at the Albion,and as has already been stated,he would get regular 1st team play. UTA
JollyRoger
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9:51am Tue 22 Jan 13
Jonathan Mouette wrote:Agree - it would be more sensible for Greer to have a couple that are capable of playing alongside him in the Championship, ready to take over when he steps down and we get promoted to the Premiership.
Putting on my cynical hat I might be tempted to ask if there really is that much interest from PL sides... is this not a ploy to up the bid from the Albion...? On the other hand Gordon Greer could have the short term role of mentoring the 2 new center backs with a view to them taking over next season... Now that's far more exciting. How much the club will be prepared to invest is a different question...
I think we also have to face up to the fact that we are going to lose Bridge, unless some fantastic deal is done between us and Man City, and we need someone to replace him.
As far as other interest is concerned these isn't much on the rumour mills, other than a couple of speculative links with Newcastle or Everton.
If he is to be a target for us, let's hope we can get him.
UTA!
jockithenoo
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9:59am Tue 22 Jan 13
russellsnr2 wrote:First team football !
Don't like this bit "Dutch ace could snub Premier League" as we will be in the Premiere next season, will we not?
The futures bright the futures orange
:-)
Hovite
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10:04am Tue 22 Jan 13
Hovite
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10:24am Tue 22 Jan 13
Jonathan Mouette wrote:Not cynical at all, it seems hard for us to sign players who have an attachment to the Middle and North of the UK. There are too many big northern clubs for them to choose from.
Of course, the choice between the north east of England, Liverpool and a vibrant town on the sunny Sussex coast (with easy commutes back to Holland) is a no-brainer - but that's just my cynical hat taking over again.
Whereas Brighton is more cosmopolitan and overseas players are probably easier to convince to come here. The academy will probably take at least 5 years before we can produce our own so bringing non British nationals in will be the way forward during this period.
We should forget about chasing players who are based in the north and just recruit from outside the UK.
college
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10:27am Tue 22 Jan 13
"I think we also have to face up to the fact that we are going to lose Bridge, unless some fantastic deal is done between us and Man City, and we need someone to replace him." --
I was under the impression that his contract was up in July, thus making him a free agent. If this is the case then there is only Bridge to deal with (+agent) and City don't come into the equation. Hopefully he will be available for a 1-2 year contract, albeit at a reduced wage, but if as he says he's enjoying both the club and his football then it should be a no-brainer. Personally I think that like everyone else he's getting a buzz from feeling valued again.
Hovite
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10:42am Tue 22 Jan 13
£20k a week will be the maximum wherever he ends up. Besides, the south coast is his home.
Old Scrote of the Amex
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10:45am Tue 22 Jan 13
JollyRoger wrote:I thought Bridge's contract with Man City was due to expire this summer, in which case he becomes a free agent. He'll have to take an enormous drop in wages wherever he goes, so we have a chance, even if it is a small one.
Jonathan Mouette wrote:Agree - it would be more sensible for Greer to have a couple that are capable of playing alongside him in the Championship, ready to take over when he steps down and we get promoted to the Premiership.
Putting on my cynical hat I might be tempted to ask if there really is that much interest from PL sides... is this not a ploy to up the bid from the Albion...? On the other hand Gordon Greer could have the short term role of mentoring the 2 new center backs with a view to them taking over next season... Now that's far more exciting. How much the club will be prepared to invest is a different question...
I think we also have to face up to the fact that we are going to lose Bridge, unless some fantastic deal is done between us and Man City, and we need someone to replace him.
As far as other interest is concerned these isn't much on the rumour mills, other than a couple of speculative links with Newcastle or Everton.
If he is to be a target for us, let's hope we can get him.
UTA!
Guernsey c gull
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11:39am Tue 22 Jan 13
Old Scrote of the Amex
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12:14pm Tue 22 Jan 13
Guernsey c gull wrote:I think they're a necessary evil.
Tug 509 you have really made me Lara, when you ask : if his agent is being honest : ,do me a favour tug there is no such animal as an honest agent, they are all money grabbing leeches on the lovely game !
Alan G Skinner
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12:23pm Tue 22 Jan 13
championshipgull
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12:33pm Tue 22 Jan 13
http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=SwnUjcpVn
G4
championshipgull
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12:34pm Tue 22 Jan 13
http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=f6pRKv9C3
SI
tinker111
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1:17pm Tue 22 Jan 13
Alan G Skinner wrote:NO THANKS
I wonder if Dean Wilkins fancies a coaching role with us, now he has been fired by Southampton?
wiseman of hove
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1:20pm Tue 22 Jan 13
Jonathan Mouette wrote:Maybe not that cynical. I spoke to TK on Hove seafront in late summer and he and his family were loving this area "after six years in Manchester" ! As for our Dutch prospect, it sounds like a 'come and get me call' - and that would seem to be an invitation which should not be spurned.
Of course, the choice between the north east of England, Liverpool and a vibrant town on the sunny Sussex coast (with easy commutes back to Holland) is a no-brainer - but that's just my cynical hat taking over again.
kentgull2
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1:22pm Tue 22 Jan 13
Hovite wrote:I agree if we pay WB 20k per week for a year thats just over a million pounds, to find a player of his capabilities would cost much more and you would still have to find his wage too. Having a player with his experience would also be helpful for any youngsters we may bring in. Hang on to him if we can
Bridge will be here for another year, not on £90k a week though, that was a once in a lifetime deal for him. £20k a week will be the maximum wherever he ends up. Besides, the south coast is his home.
championshipgull
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1:36pm Tue 22 Jan 13
Thunderbird 2 spotted in Amex car park with the number plate VD 1
ballantrrae
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1:36pm Tue 22 Jan 13
Alan G Skinner wrote:Good question Alan Skinner.
I wonder if Dean Wilkins fancies a coaching role with us, now he has been fired by Southampton?
Dean might not have been the best manager around but he is a first rate coach.
Hovite
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1:40pm Tue 22 Jan 13
Hovite
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1:47pm Tue 22 Jan 13
championshipgull wrote:Now I have seen this, we have to get him, mouth watering stuff and he will beat most players to the header, also makes a great stiker. Wow is the word of the day in this case.
Oh sorry this is a better clip
http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=f6pRKv9C3
SI
This would sort out any last minute onslaught from the opposition.
VegasSeagull
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1:48pm Tue 22 Jan 13
If it's about regular games then it's beteeen Brighton and the MLS.
If he chooses to sing with us next year then I would guess we would have to find a 2 million signing fee for him, pus wages.
On Sky Sports website, under, 'paper talk,' the Mirror is reporting that Dijk HAS, snubbed prem teams to sign for us, no maybe about it.
Big game tonight, I would not be surprised to see Vicente start and I have a feeling Hoskins will get some good time on the clock too, he might start, depends on the Ulloa situation for me.
Ulloa in, then CMS starts, no Ulloa then maybe Hoskins and Barnes.
JoeBlow
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1:54pm Tue 22 Jan 13
VegasSeagull
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1:56pm Tue 22 Jan 13
hannover seagull
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2:05pm Tue 22 Jan 13
championshipgull wrote:Very good
Breaking News, Exclusive
Thunderbird 2 spotted in Amex car park with the number plate VD 1
Although its more likely to be Parker in a pink roller in Brighton
UTA.................
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SMF20
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2:12pm Tue 22 Jan 13
Regarding Bridge... I think Vegas has it right when he says that Bridge might not have to take as big a pay cut as some might think.. Because he is available as a free agent he will be able to command a decent signing on fee to at least compensate a little for some of the lost weekly wage. I think we have a
chance to keep him.
Over to you Gp and co.
Hovite
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2:14pm Tue 22 Jan 13
VegasSeagull wrote:Bridge would be on a free when his contract runs out in July, so it is just about a wage negotiation and if he is happy here.
Hovite with regards to Bridge and a new contract. If it's about money then he comes my way, the money is here for him.
If it's about regular games then it's beteeen Brighton and the MLS.
If he chooses to sing with us next year then I would guess we would have to find a 2 million signing fee for him, pus wages.
On Sky Sports website, under, 'paper talk,' the Mirror is reporting that Dijk HAS, snubbed prem teams to sign for us, no maybe about it.
Big game tonight, I would not be surprised to see Vicente start and I have a feeling Hoskins will get some good time on the clock too, he might start, depends on the Ulloa situation for me.
Ulloa in, then CMS starts, no Ulloa then maybe Hoskins and Barnes.
VegasSeagull
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2:20pm Tue 22 Jan 13
Hovite
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2:35pm Tue 22 Jan 13
Innocent until proven guilty and all that, but it doesn’t read well and it’s an embarrassment to the club.
As soon as the case is over, whatever the outcome, we will have to terminate their contracts for misrepresenting the Albion.
Old Scrote of the Amex
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2:43pm Tue 22 Jan 13
Hovite wrote:Cancel their contracts even if they are found not guilty? Unfair and illegal, I would guess. What if (IF!) it is proved that the girl is lying - would you still sack them?
Without bringing this thread down and being controversial, it will be interesting to hear the outcome of this court case today because we really need to move on from this. It really dampened the mood of our first year at the Amex.
Innocent until proven guilty and all that, but it doesn’t read well and it’s an embarrassment to the club.
As soon as the case is over, whatever the outcome, we will have to terminate their contracts for misrepresenting the Albion.
VegasSeagull
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2:47pm Tue 22 Jan 13
The only people that know what happened are those that were in the room.
If pictures were taken and retained by the accused, and if the prosecution have those pictures, this case looks like a slam dunk.
If zero pictures exist today, if zero witnesses testify on her behalf, if all the players tell the same story, I wonder why it's even in court.
I am not saying it didn't happen, I just wonder what evidence there is to prove it did. He said she said cases are hard to prove, this one is a matter of, he said, 'they,' said, even harder to prove.
To convict these guys there has to be someone outside of those in the room that saw some of the alledged pictures. I would have to think that the prosecution has something by way of evidence, why else would the trial go forward.
Perhaps another was in the room and has not been charged, maybe a deal has been done.
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fratsomrover
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3:15pm Tue 22 Jan 13
He's someone who could have done a job for us. Surprised that we didn't make a move for him.
rolivan
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3:20pm Tue 22 Jan 13
VegasSeagull wrote:I think you will find that the accused provided their own evidence by way of pictures taken on their mobile phones.It does make one wonder why 4 young guys would want to spoil their whole life maybe it is because they have the attitude like so many young footballers everything has to revolve around them.Maybe it is time the F,A, stepped in and contracts are drawn up where players are paid the bulk of their money at the end of their contract which would give them more of an incentive to perform on the pitch and not in Hotel rooms,
Hovite if we only consider the evidence, and we don't know what that is, this case looks hard to prove, even if it did happen as the lady says it did.
The only people that know what happened are those that were in the room.
If pictures were taken and retained by the accused, and if the prosecution have those pictures, this case looks like a slam dunk.
If zero pictures exist today, if zero witnesses testify on her behalf, if all the players tell the same story, I wonder why it's even in court.
I am not saying it didn't happen, I just wonder what evidence there is to prove it did. He said she said cases are hard to prove, this one is a matter of, he said, 'they,' said, even harder to prove.
To convict these guys there has to be someone outside of those in the room that saw some of the alledged pictures. I would have to think that the prosecution has something by way of evidence, why else would the trial go forward.
Perhaps another was in the room and has not been charged, maybe a deal has been done.
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rolivan
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3:23pm Tue 22 Jan 13
VegasSeagull wrote:I think you will find that the accused provided their own evidence by way of pictures taken on their mobile phones.It does make one wonder why 4 young guys would want to spoil their whole life maybe it is because they have the attitude like so many young footballers everything has to revolve around them.Maybe it is time the F,A, stepped in and contracts are drawn up where players are paid the bulk of their money at the end of their contract which would give them more of an incentive to perform on the pitch and not in Hotel rooms,
Hovite if we only consider the evidence, and we don't know what that is, this case looks hard to prove, even if it did happen as the lady says it did.
The only people that know what happened are those that were in the room.
If pictures were taken and retained by the accused, and if the prosecution have those pictures, this case looks like a slam dunk.
If zero pictures exist today, if zero witnesses testify on her behalf, if all the players tell the same story, I wonder why it's even in court.
I am not saying it didn't happen, I just wonder what evidence there is to prove it did. He said she said cases are hard to prove, this one is a matter of, he said, 'they,' said, even harder to prove.
To convict these guys there has to be someone outside of those in the room that saw some of the alledged pictures. I would have to think that the prosecution has something by way of evidence, why else would the trial go forward.
Perhaps another was in the room and has not been charged, maybe a deal has been done.
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ballantrrae
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3:31pm Tue 22 Jan 13
SMF20 wrote:SMF20, Hovite and VegasSeagull there is the little question of Tax that needs to be considered here.
Sounds like Gp may have to play a little cat and mouse to secure this dutch fella. We all know agents exist to secure the best deal for both the player they represent and themselves. I would err on the side of caution before jumping up with a new raised offer. The agent seems just a bit too keen.
Regarding Bridge... I think Vegas has it right when he says that Bridge might not have to take as big a pay cut as some might think.. Because he is available as a free agent he will be able to command a decent signing on fee to at least compensate a little for some of the lost weekly wage. I think we have a
chance to keep him.
Over to you Gp and co.
No doubt Vegas you will correct me if I am wrong but Bridge might pay less tax in the USA on both any signing on fee and his weekly wage whatever that becomes. In the UK he would be a 50% (soon to be 45%) taxpayer.
Presuming this is in fact the case that US is lower then either Bridge would receive less money Net (of tax) or BHA would have to pay more Gross so that Bridge ends up with the same net amount.
Of course Life Style choices will be a factor. Will Bridge and his family prefer to remain here or go to the States ?
Regarding van Dijk I am not sure whether we can pull this off. As I posted yesterday it might be expedient were we to sign him to offer to loan him back to Groningen who I believe are struggling at the moment and might be relegated.
Whether we acquire him or not I hope we are pursuing other options.
Talking of which I notice that Crawley's McFadzean is obviously available for around £600,000 ie quite alot less than we have apparently already offered (unsuccessfully) for van Dijk. I am not saying we should sign McFadzean (not good enough) but I am mentioning him in the context of other CBs being available at more moderate prices.
UTA tonight.
mikeygit
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3:51pm Tue 22 Jan 13
Hovite
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4:32pm Tue 22 Jan 13
All the good work that everyone has put into the club over the last 15 years and they behave like this. This effected the club on all levels more than we think. Academy Dev squad ect ect, even Vicente unsure of a return? Grant Hall leaving? players not joining? the list goes on, everything was put on the line just for their instant gratification and putting the club at a disadvantage on many levels.
TB must have been fuming.
Godstone Gull
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4:34pm Tue 22 Jan 13
Hovite
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4:59pm Tue 22 Jan 13
Four blokes one drunk girl, who is taking advantage of the situation? Which one of them was man enough to say leave it out? None of them.
Falmer Wizard
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5:03pm Tue 22 Jan 13
VegasSeagull
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5:05pm Tue 22 Jan 13
The big difference is what your money can buy here. Anything worth having, house, car and kids education fees are way cheaper. Medical services are pretty much instant but healthcare insurance costs are quite high but I would expect his club to pay those.
In short, Brighton can't compete on money and or standard of life. Not everything is good over here but if you make big money, you are insulated from the bad.
VegasSeagull
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5:12pm Tue 22 Jan 13
I would have thought that if any of the players are found guilty of any charge they would be in breach of contract.
Even if they are found not guilty of any offense the club might well say, 'you may have not brioken the law but you did break our rules.'
These guys could see their contracts terminated without a settlement pay off.
Hovite
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5:28pm Tue 22 Jan 13
I don't think they could have legally terminated their contracts back then, the only choices were suspending them or giving them the benefit of the doubt until court when the details were made public.
hannover seagull
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5:30pm Tue 22 Jan 13
Your Slam Dunk comment is priceless
Could be a Sun headline.
VegasSeagull
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5:38pm Tue 22 Jan 13
hannover seagull wrote:Yeah I was going to say sorry for the pun but didn't think the subject matter was right to have a chuckle with.
Vegas Your Slam Dunk comment is priceless Could be a Sun headline.
Think about Dunk for a moment. He is the only one on trial from our club that makes the bench or plays, and who are we trying to sign, a central defender, makes me wonder.
It was reported that Dunk might be sold but the deal fell thru. Could it be that Brighton have decided to end his contract due to breaking club rules, regardless of the trial outcome? It makes the move for Dijk more of a needs move than a, 'worth buying,' move.
Rockbilly
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6:11pm Tue 22 Jan 13
Hovite
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6:13pm Tue 22 Jan 13
Dunk has gone from being a million pound asset to the club, to losing the club this money. All that time, investment and effort on him, and TB will get zilch for his trust and efforts.
Hovite
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6:16pm Tue 22 Jan 13
Old Scrote of the Amex
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6:18pm Tue 22 Jan 13
VegasSeagull wrote:It all depends on what the boys did - if they are found to have broken no laws then why would the club get rid of them?
hannover seagull wrote:Yeah I was going to say sorry for the pun but didn't think the subject matter was right to have a chuckle with.
Vegas Your Slam Dunk comment is priceless Could be a Sun headline.
Think about Dunk for a moment. He is the only one on trial from our club that makes the bench or plays, and who are we trying to sign, a central defender, makes me wonder.
It was reported that Dunk might be sold but the deal fell thru. Could it be that Brighton have decided to end his contract due to breaking club rules, regardless of the trial outcome? It makes the move for Dijk more of a needs move than a, 'worth buying,' move.
Old Scrote of the Amex
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6:22pm Tue 22 Jan 13
brightonup
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6:29pm Tue 22 Jan 13
Hovite
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6:32pm Tue 22 Jan 13
born again seagull
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6:42pm Tue 22 Jan 13
WisdomSpeaks
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6:46pm Tue 22 Jan 13
ballantrrae wrote:Totally agree. He is one of the best - a real coach and never felt comfortable dealing with media and, I expect, people at director level.
Alan G Skinner wrote:Good question Alan Skinner.
I wonder if Dean Wilkins fancies a coaching role with us, now he has been fired by Southampton?
Dean might not have been the best manager around but he is a first rate coach.
Love to see him back as coach but unlikely.
WisdomSpeaks
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6:56pm Tue 22 Jan 13
fratsomrover wrote:I think he could have done a great job on loan but I don't think we'll ever see any business between United and us all the time Fergie and Gus are in place at the two clubs!
Apparently the chairman of Spanish Second Division club Elche is confirming they are taking Macheda of Man Utd on loan till the end of the season.
He's someone who could have done a job for us. Surprised that we didn't make a move for him.
Everyone knows how Fergie works and he was not impressed with Gus getting involved in the Evra confict with Suarez when it was none of his business.
Also Gus' totally unnecessary comment at the end of the interview after Newcastle game when he was asked what he thought of Lopez's theatricals after the Ameobi incedent - 'ask Alex Ferguson - he knows everything'!
Sarcastic and again uneccessary and the things which let the club down and nothing gets by Fergie's eagle eye! Even reports from Argentine media get shown to him! I hope Gus learns.
hannover seagull
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7:15pm Tue 22 Jan 13
Old Scrote of the Amex wrote:Excellent point you bring up
I still believe that none of the players (or anyone accused of such a crime) should be named unless and until found guilty.
I have always found this distasteful and in principle legally flawed as cases of deformation of character normally follow.
In Germany for instance you are not allowed to name and shame until justice has been served.
But alas, the Redtops hunger for scandal has to be sated
3-1 to the stripes by the way tonight.
UTA.................
pte
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10:36pm Tue 22 Jan 13
I think we definitely need a replacement. We need real men
7Rookie says...
9:13am Tue 22 Jan 13