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Dutch ace could snub Premier League to join Albion

Albion transfer target Virgil van Dijk could snub the Premier League in favour of a move to the Seagulls, his agent has revealed.

Henk-Maarten Chin has described Albion as a “very interesting option”, as it will give van Dijk, 21, more chance of playing regular first team football.

The Argus website revealed on Friday that Albion’s undisclosed bid for 6ft 4ins centre half van Dijk had been turned down by his club Groningen.

Boss Gus Poyet, speaking in yesterday’s Argus, refused to rule out a fresh offer for the Dutch under-21 international, who has also been linked with Everton, Newcastle and Sunderland, as well as attracting interest from Germany.

Chin told The Argus: “I hope Brighton might come back. It’s possible. Virgil would love to go to England and we are very open to Brighton.

“It would be an interesting move for him, especially on the football side of things.

“Obviously, there are some clubs in the Premier League interested but it might be good for him to go to a club where he can play. That’s important to him, so it’s a very interesting option for us.”

<p><b>Two page preview of Albion's match at Blackburn tonight in The Argus today</b></p>

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9:13am Tue 22 Jan 13

7Rookie says...

Exciting
Exciting 7Rookie
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9:15am Tue 22 Jan 13

graham w says...

It could be a good punt, as we need to look to future, he has the size and tech ability being dutch,that was heartbreaking sat but adam was equally to blame,
It could be a good punt, as we need to look to future, he has the size and tech ability being dutch,that was heartbreaking sat but adam was equally to blame, graham w
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9:20am Tue 22 Jan 13

russellsnr2 says...

Don't like this bit "Dutch ace could snub Premier League" as we will be in the Premiere next season, will we not?
Don't like this bit "Dutch ace could snub Premier League" as we will be in the Premiere next season, will we not? russellsnr2
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9:22am Tue 22 Jan 13

pinta harveys says...

off ya go Gus....fetch
off ya go Gus....fetch pinta harveys
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9:33am Tue 22 Jan 13

Alan G Skinner says...

Long term successor to GG, possibly a partner in the short term, will have been schooled to play our way, so might even walk straight in to the 11. Securing his signature, would certainly be a statement of intent and 2/3m for a Premier League CB, is very reasonable. We will see.
Long term successor to GG, possibly a partner in the short term, will have been schooled to play our way, so might even walk straight in to the 11. Securing his signature, would certainly be a statement of intent and 2/3m for a Premier League CB, is very reasonable. We will see. Alan G Skinner
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9:36am Tue 22 Jan 13

Jonathan Mouette says...

Putting on my cynical hat I might be tempted to ask if there really is that much interest from PL sides... is this not a ploy to up the bid from the Albion...? On the other hand Gordon Greer could have the short term role of mentoring the 2 new center backs with a view to them taking over next season... Now that's far more exciting. How much the club will be prepared to invest is a different question...
Putting on my cynical hat I might be tempted to ask if there really is that much interest from PL sides... is this not a ploy to up the bid from the Albion...? On the other hand Gordon Greer could have the short term role of mentoring the 2 new center backs with a view to them taking over next season... Now that's far more exciting. How much the club will be prepared to invest is a different question... Jonathan Mouette
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9:39am Tue 22 Jan 13

Jonathan Mouette says...

Of course, the choice between the north east of England, Liverpool and a vibrant town on the sunny Sussex coast (with easy commutes back to Holland) is a no-brainer - but that's just my cynical hat taking over again.
Of course, the choice between the north east of England, Liverpool and a vibrant town on the sunny Sussex coast (with easy commutes back to Holland) is a no-brainer - but that's just my cynical hat taking over again. Jonathan Mouette
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9:41am Tue 22 Jan 13

JollyRoger says...

russellsnr2 wrote:
Don't like this bit &quot;Dutch ace could snub Premier League" as we will be in the Premiere next season, will we not?
No.
[quote][p][bold]russellsnr2[/bold] wrote: Don't like this bit "Dutch ace could snub Premier League" as we will be in the Premiere next season, will we not?[/p][/quote]No. JollyRoger
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9:43am Tue 22 Jan 13

WisdomSpeaks says...

Sounds like a great prospect and would be a fine signing.

To more immediate things - does anyone know if this international clearance for Ulloa has to come from the Argentinian FA or the Spanish FA?

I don't understand how it always seems to take Albion so long to get international clearances when other clubs seem to get them easily and immediately. Remember we had the same problem with Harley and that was only Wales!

Anybody on here have any information on this subject?
Sounds like a great prospect and would be a fine signing. To more immediate things - does anyone know if this international clearance for Ulloa has to come from the Argentinian FA or the Spanish FA? I don't understand how it always seems to take Albion so long to get international clearances when other clubs seem to get them easily and immediately. Remember we had the same problem with Harley and that was only Wales! Anybody on here have any information on this subject? WisdomSpeaks
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9:46am Tue 22 Jan 13

Gibseagull says...

Apparently he's a bit of a fan of "Geordie Shore" so NUFC fans are tweeting him to get up there and meet all the geordie girls!! We need to start a tweeting charm offensive on the boy - what can we offer I wonder?!!
Apparently he's a bit of a fan of "Geordie Shore" so NUFC fans are tweeting him to get up there and meet all the geordie girls!! We need to start a tweeting charm offensive on the boy - what can we offer I wonder?!! Gibseagull
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9:48am Tue 22 Jan 13

tug509 says...

Once again the Mighty Albion are given due respect. IF this agent is being honest,then he is one of the few who has his players best interest at heart.

Would love to see the big guy at the Albion,and as has already been stated,he would get regular 1st team play. UTA
Once again the Mighty Albion are given due respect. IF this agent is being honest,then he is one of the few who has his players best interest at heart. Would love to see the big guy at the Albion,and as has already been stated,he would get regular 1st team play. UTA tug509
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9:51am Tue 22 Jan 13

JollyRoger says...

Jonathan Mouette wrote:
Putting on my cynical hat I might be tempted to ask if there really is that much interest from PL sides... is this not a ploy to up the bid from the Albion...? On the other hand Gordon Greer could have the short term role of mentoring the 2 new center backs with a view to them taking over next season... Now that's far more exciting. How much the club will be prepared to invest is a different question...
Agree - it would be more sensible for Greer to have a couple that are capable of playing alongside him in the Championship, ready to take over when he steps down and we get promoted to the Premiership.

I think we also have to face up to the fact that we are going to lose Bridge, unless some fantastic deal is done between us and Man City, and we need someone to replace him.

As far as other interest is concerned these isn't much on the rumour mills, other than a couple of speculative links with Newcastle or Everton.

If he is to be a target for us, let's hope we can get him.

UTA!
[quote][p][bold]Jonathan Mouette[/bold] wrote: Putting on my cynical hat I might be tempted to ask if there really is that much interest from PL sides... is this not a ploy to up the bid from the Albion...? On the other hand Gordon Greer could have the short term role of mentoring the 2 new center backs with a view to them taking over next season... Now that's far more exciting. How much the club will be prepared to invest is a different question...[/p][/quote]Agree - it would be more sensible for Greer to have a couple that are capable of playing alongside him in the Championship, ready to take over when he steps down and we get promoted to the Premiership. I think we also have to face up to the fact that we are going to lose Bridge, unless some fantastic deal is done between us and Man City, and we need someone to replace him. As far as other interest is concerned these isn't much on the rumour mills, other than a couple of speculative links with Newcastle or Everton. If he is to be a target for us, let's hope we can get him. UTA! JollyRoger
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9:59am Tue 22 Jan 13

jockithenoo says...

russellsnr2 wrote:
Don't like this bit &quot;Dutch ace could snub Premier League" as we will be in the Premiere next season, will we not?
First team football !
The futures bright the futures orange
:-)
[quote][p][bold]russellsnr2[/bold] wrote: Don't like this bit "Dutch ace could snub Premier League" as we will be in the Premiere next season, will we not?[/p][/quote]First team football ! The futures bright the futures orange :-) jockithenoo
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10:04am Tue 22 Jan 13

Hovite says...

Nice one jockithenoo
Nice one jockithenoo Hovite
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10:24am Tue 22 Jan 13

Hovite says...

Jonathan Mouette wrote:
Of course, the choice between the north east of England, Liverpool and a vibrant town on the sunny Sussex coast (with easy commutes back to Holland) is a no-brainer - but that's just my cynical hat taking over again.
Not cynical at all, it seems hard for us to sign players who have an attachment to the Middle and North of the UK. There are too many big northern clubs for them to choose from.

Whereas Brighton is more cosmopolitan and overseas players are probably easier to convince to come here. The academy will probably take at least 5 years before we can produce our own so bringing non British nationals in will be the way forward during this period.

We should forget about chasing players who are based in the north and just recruit from outside the UK.
[quote][p][bold]Jonathan Mouette[/bold] wrote: Of course, the choice between the north east of England, Liverpool and a vibrant town on the sunny Sussex coast (with easy commutes back to Holland) is a no-brainer - but that's just my cynical hat taking over again.[/p][/quote]Not cynical at all, it seems hard for us to sign players who have an attachment to the Middle and North of the UK. There are too many big northern clubs for them to choose from. Whereas Brighton is more cosmopolitan and overseas players are probably easier to convince to come here. The academy will probably take at least 5 years before we can produce our own so bringing non British nationals in will be the way forward during this period. We should forget about chasing players who are based in the north and just recruit from outside the UK. Hovite
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10:27am Tue 22 Jan 13

college says...

from Jolly Rodger:
"I think we also have to face up to the fact that we are going to lose Bridge, unless some fantastic deal is done between us and Man City, and we need someone to replace him." --
I was under the impression that his contract was up in July, thus making him a free agent. If this is the case then there is only Bridge to deal with (+agent) and City don't come into the equation. Hopefully he will be available for a 1-2 year contract, albeit at a reduced wage, but if as he says he's enjoying both the club and his football then it should be a no-brainer. Personally I think that like everyone else he's getting a buzz from feeling valued again.
from Jolly Rodger: "I think we also have to face up to the fact that we are going to lose Bridge, unless some fantastic deal is done between us and Man City, and we need someone to replace him." -- I was under the impression that his contract was up in July, thus making him a free agent. If this is the case then there is only Bridge to deal with (+agent) and City don't come into the equation. Hopefully he will be available for a 1-2 year contract, albeit at a reduced wage, but if as he says he's enjoying both the club and his football then it should be a no-brainer. Personally I think that like everyone else he's getting a buzz from feeling valued again. college
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10:42am Tue 22 Jan 13

Hovite says...

Bridge will be here for another year, not on £90k a week though, that was a once in a lifetime deal for him.

£20k a week will be the maximum wherever he ends up. Besides, the south coast is his home.
Bridge will be here for another year, not on £90k a week though, that was a once in a lifetime deal for him. £20k a week will be the maximum wherever he ends up. Besides, the south coast is his home. Hovite
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10:45am Tue 22 Jan 13

Old Scrote of the Amex says...

JollyRoger wrote:
Jonathan Mouette wrote:
Putting on my cynical hat I might be tempted to ask if there really is that much interest from PL sides... is this not a ploy to up the bid from the Albion...? On the other hand Gordon Greer could have the short term role of mentoring the 2 new center backs with a view to them taking over next season... Now that's far more exciting. How much the club will be prepared to invest is a different question...
Agree - it would be more sensible for Greer to have a couple that are capable of playing alongside him in the Championship, ready to take over when he steps down and we get promoted to the Premiership.

I think we also have to face up to the fact that we are going to lose Bridge, unless some fantastic deal is done between us and Man City, and we need someone to replace him.

As far as other interest is concerned these isn't much on the rumour mills, other than a couple of speculative links with Newcastle or Everton.

If he is to be a target for us, let's hope we can get him.

UTA!
I thought Bridge's contract with Man City was due to expire this summer, in which case he becomes a free agent. He'll have to take an enormous drop in wages wherever he goes, so we have a chance, even if it is a small one.
[quote][p][bold]JollyRoger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jonathan Mouette[/bold] wrote: Putting on my cynical hat I might be tempted to ask if there really is that much interest from PL sides... is this not a ploy to up the bid from the Albion...? On the other hand Gordon Greer could have the short term role of mentoring the 2 new center backs with a view to them taking over next season... Now that's far more exciting. How much the club will be prepared to invest is a different question...[/p][/quote]Agree - it would be more sensible for Greer to have a couple that are capable of playing alongside him in the Championship, ready to take over when he steps down and we get promoted to the Premiership. I think we also have to face up to the fact that we are going to lose Bridge, unless some fantastic deal is done between us and Man City, and we need someone to replace him. As far as other interest is concerned these isn't much on the rumour mills, other than a couple of speculative links with Newcastle or Everton. If he is to be a target for us, let's hope we can get him. UTA![/p][/quote]I thought Bridge's contract with Man City was due to expire this summer, in which case he becomes a free agent. He'll have to take an enormous drop in wages wherever he goes, so we have a chance, even if it is a small one. Old Scrote of the Amex
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11:39am Tue 22 Jan 13

Guernsey c gull says...

Tug 509 you have really made me Lara, when you ask : if his agent is being honest : ,do me a favour tug there is no such animal as an honest agent, they are all money grabbing leeches on the lovely game !
Tug 509 you have really made me Lara, when you ask : if his agent is being honest : ,do me a favour tug there is no such animal as an honest agent, they are all money grabbing leeches on the lovely game ! Guernsey c gull
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12:14pm Tue 22 Jan 13

Old Scrote of the Amex says...

Guernsey c gull wrote:
Tug 509 you have really made me Lara, when you ask : if his agent is being honest : ,do me a favour tug there is no such animal as an honest agent, they are all money grabbing leeches on the lovely game !
I think they're a necessary evil.
[quote][p][bold]Guernsey c gull[/bold] wrote: Tug 509 you have really made me Lara, when you ask : if his agent is being honest : ,do me a favour tug there is no such animal as an honest agent, they are all money grabbing leeches on the lovely game ![/p][/quote]I think they're a necessary evil. Old Scrote of the Amex
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12:23pm Tue 22 Jan 13

Alan G Skinner says...

I wonder if Dean Wilkins fancies a coaching role with us, now he has been fired by Southampton?
I wonder if Dean Wilkins fancies a coaching role with us, now he has been fired by Southampton? Alan G Skinner
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12:33pm Tue 22 Jan 13

championshipgull says...

Just found a clip on you tube of Virgil van Dijk getting it wrong.
http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=SwnUjcpVn
G4
Just found a clip on you tube of Virgil van Dijk getting it wrong. http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=SwnUjcpVn G4 championshipgull
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12:34pm Tue 22 Jan 13

championshipgull says...

Oh sorry this is a better clip
http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=f6pRKv9C3
SI
Oh sorry this is a better clip http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=f6pRKv9C3 SI championshipgull
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1:17pm Tue 22 Jan 13

tinker111 says...

Alan G Skinner wrote:
I wonder if Dean Wilkins fancies a coaching role with us, now he has been fired by Southampton?
NO THANKS
[quote][p][bold]Alan G Skinner[/bold] wrote: I wonder if Dean Wilkins fancies a coaching role with us, now he has been fired by Southampton?[/p][/quote]NO THANKS tinker111
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1:20pm Tue 22 Jan 13

wiseman of hove says...

Jonathan Mouette wrote:
Of course, the choice between the north east of England, Liverpool and a vibrant town on the sunny Sussex coast (with easy commutes back to Holland) is a no-brainer - but that's just my cynical hat taking over again.
Maybe not that cynical. I spoke to TK on Hove seafront in late summer and he and his family were loving this area "after six years in Manchester" ! As for our Dutch prospect, it sounds like a 'come and get me call' - and that would seem to be an invitation which should not be spurned.
[quote][p][bold]Jonathan Mouette[/bold] wrote: Of course, the choice between the north east of England, Liverpool and a vibrant town on the sunny Sussex coast (with easy commutes back to Holland) is a no-brainer - but that's just my cynical hat taking over again.[/p][/quote]Maybe not that cynical. I spoke to TK on Hove seafront in late summer and he and his family were loving this area "after six years in Manchester" ! As for our Dutch prospect, it sounds like a 'come and get me call' - and that would seem to be an invitation which should not be spurned. wiseman of hove
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1:22pm Tue 22 Jan 13

kentgull2 says...

Hovite wrote:
Bridge will be here for another year, not on £90k a week though, that was a once in a lifetime deal for him. £20k a week will be the maximum wherever he ends up. Besides, the south coast is his home.
I agree if we pay WB 20k per week for a year thats just over a million pounds, to find a player of his capabilities would cost much more and you would still have to find his wage too. Having a player with his experience would also be helpful for any youngsters we may bring in. Hang on to him if we can
[quote][p][bold]Hovite[/bold] wrote: Bridge will be here for another year, not on £90k a week though, that was a once in a lifetime deal for him. £20k a week will be the maximum wherever he ends up. Besides, the south coast is his home.[/p][/quote]I agree if we pay WB 20k per week for a year thats just over a million pounds, to find a player of his capabilities would cost much more and you would still have to find his wage too. Having a player with his experience would also be helpful for any youngsters we may bring in. Hang on to him if we can kentgull2
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1:36pm Tue 22 Jan 13

championshipgull says...

Breaking News, Exclusive
Thunderbird 2 spotted in Amex car park with the number plate VD 1
Breaking News, Exclusive Thunderbird 2 spotted in Amex car park with the number plate VD 1 championshipgull
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1:36pm Tue 22 Jan 13

ballantrrae says...

Alan G Skinner wrote:
I wonder if Dean Wilkins fancies a coaching role with us, now he has been fired by Southampton?
Good question Alan Skinner.
Dean might not have been the best manager around but he is a first rate coach.
[quote][p][bold]Alan G Skinner[/bold] wrote: I wonder if Dean Wilkins fancies a coaching role with us, now he has been fired by Southampton?[/p][/quote]Good question Alan Skinner. Dean might not have been the best manager around but he is a first rate coach. ballantrrae
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1:40pm Tue 22 Jan 13

Hovite says...

Yep kentgull2, I beleive that Bridge loves the Albion project and is happy being a part of it.
Yep kentgull2, I beleive that Bridge loves the Albion project and is happy being a part of it. Hovite
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1:47pm Tue 22 Jan 13

Hovite says...

championshipgull wrote:
Oh sorry this is a better clip
http://www.youtube.c

om/watch?v=f6pRKv9C3

SI
Now I have seen this, we have to get him, mouth watering stuff and he will beat most players to the header, also makes a great stiker. Wow is the word of the day in this case.

This would sort out any last minute onslaught from the opposition.
[quote][p][bold]championshipgull[/bold] wrote: Oh sorry this is a better clip http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=f6pRKv9C3 SI[/p][/quote]Now I have seen this, we have to get him, mouth watering stuff and he will beat most players to the header, also makes a great stiker. Wow is the word of the day in this case. This would sort out any last minute onslaught from the opposition. Hovite
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1:48pm Tue 22 Jan 13

VegasSeagull says...

Hovite with regards to Bridge and a new contract. If it's about money then he comes my way, the money is here for him.
If it's about regular games then it's beteeen Brighton and the MLS.
If he chooses to sing with us next year then I would guess we would have to find a 2 million signing fee for him, pus wages.

On Sky Sports website, under, 'paper talk,' the Mirror is reporting that Dijk HAS, snubbed prem teams to sign for us, no maybe about it.

Big game tonight, I would not be surprised to see Vicente start and I have a feeling Hoskins will get some good time on the clock too, he might start, depends on the Ulloa situation for me.

Ulloa in, then CMS starts, no Ulloa then maybe Hoskins and Barnes.
Hovite with regards to Bridge and a new contract. If it's about money then he comes my way, the money is here for him. If it's about regular games then it's beteeen Brighton and the MLS. If he chooses to sing with us next year then I would guess we would have to find a 2 million signing fee for him, pus wages. On Sky Sports website, under, 'paper talk,' the Mirror is reporting that Dijk HAS, snubbed prem teams to sign for us, no maybe about it. Big game tonight, I would not be surprised to see Vicente start and I have a feeling Hoskins will get some good time on the clock too, he might start, depends on the Ulloa situation for me. Ulloa in, then CMS starts, no Ulloa then maybe Hoskins and Barnes. VegasSeagull
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1:54pm Tue 22 Jan 13

JoeBlow says...

He would never fit in. I bet he doesn't speak a word of Spanish.
He would never fit in. I bet he doesn't speak a word of Spanish. JoeBlow
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1:56pm Tue 22 Jan 13

VegasSeagull says...

early morning typos, feel I need to wake up a tad more lol
early morning typos, feel I need to wake up a tad more lol VegasSeagull
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2:05pm Tue 22 Jan 13

hannover seagull says...

championshipgull wrote:
Breaking News, Exclusive
Thunderbird 2 spotted in Amex car park with the number plate VD 1
Very good

Although its more likely to be Parker in a pink roller in Brighton

UTA.................
..
[quote][p][bold]championshipgull[/bold] wrote: Breaking News, Exclusive Thunderbird 2 spotted in Amex car park with the number plate VD 1[/p][/quote]Very good Although its more likely to be Parker in a pink roller in Brighton UTA................. .. hannover seagull
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2:12pm Tue 22 Jan 13

SMF20 says...

Sounds like Gp may have to play a little cat and mouse to secure this dutch fella. We all know agents exist to secure the best deal for both the player they represent and themselves. I would err on the side of caution before jumping up with a new raised offer. The agent seems just a bit too keen.
Regarding Bridge... I think Vegas has it right when he says that Bridge might not have to take as big a pay cut as some might think.. Because he is available as a free agent he will be able to command a decent signing on fee to at least compensate a little for some of the lost weekly wage. I think we have a
chance to keep him.
Over to you Gp and co.
Sounds like Gp may have to play a little cat and mouse to secure this dutch fella. We all know agents exist to secure the best deal for both the player they represent and themselves. I would err on the side of caution before jumping up with a new raised offer. The agent seems just a bit too keen. Regarding Bridge... I think Vegas has it right when he says that Bridge might not have to take as big a pay cut as some might think.. Because he is available as a free agent he will be able to command a decent signing on fee to at least compensate a little for some of the lost weekly wage. I think we have a chance to keep him. Over to you Gp and co. SMF20
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2:14pm Tue 22 Jan 13

Hovite says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Hovite with regards to Bridge and a new contract. If it's about money then he comes my way, the money is here for him.
If it's about regular games then it's beteeen Brighton and the MLS.
If he chooses to sing with us next year then I would guess we would have to find a 2 million signing fee for him, pus wages.

On Sky Sports website, under, 'paper talk,' the Mirror is reporting that Dijk HAS, snubbed prem teams to sign for us, no maybe about it.

Big game tonight, I would not be surprised to see Vicente start and I have a feeling Hoskins will get some good time on the clock too, he might start, depends on the Ulloa situation for me.

Ulloa in, then CMS starts, no Ulloa then maybe Hoskins and Barnes.
Bridge would be on a free when his contract runs out in July, so it is just about a wage negotiation and if he is happy here.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Hovite with regards to Bridge and a new contract. If it's about money then he comes my way, the money is here for him. If it's about regular games then it's beteeen Brighton and the MLS. If he chooses to sing with us next year then I would guess we would have to find a 2 million signing fee for him, pus wages. On Sky Sports website, under, 'paper talk,' the Mirror is reporting that Dijk HAS, snubbed prem teams to sign for us, no maybe about it. Big game tonight, I would not be surprised to see Vicente start and I have a feeling Hoskins will get some good time on the clock too, he might start, depends on the Ulloa situation for me. Ulloa in, then CMS starts, no Ulloa then maybe Hoskins and Barnes.[/p][/quote]Bridge would be on a free when his contract runs out in July, so it is just about a wage negotiation and if he is happy here. Hovite
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2:20pm Tue 22 Jan 13

VegasSeagull says...

Hovite as a free agent surely Bridge will demand a signing on fee, I can't see him just signing.
Hovite as a free agent surely Bridge will demand a signing on fee, I can't see him just signing. VegasSeagull
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2:35pm Tue 22 Jan 13

Hovite says...

Without bringing this thread down and being controversial, it will be interesting to hear the outcome of this court case today because we really need to move on from this. It really dampened the mood of our first year at the Amex.

Innocent until proven guilty and all that, but it doesn’t read well and it’s an embarrassment to the club.

As soon as the case is over, whatever the outcome, we will have to terminate their contracts for misrepresenting the Albion.
Without bringing this thread down and being controversial, it will be interesting to hear the outcome of this court case today because we really need to move on from this. It really dampened the mood of our first year at the Amex. Innocent until proven guilty and all that, but it doesn’t read well and it’s an embarrassment to the club. As soon as the case is over, whatever the outcome, we will have to terminate their contracts for misrepresenting the Albion. Hovite
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2:43pm Tue 22 Jan 13

Old Scrote of the Amex says...

Hovite wrote:
Without bringing this thread down and being controversial, it will be interesting to hear the outcome of this court case today because we really need to move on from this. It really dampened the mood of our first year at the Amex.

Innocent until proven guilty and all that, but it doesn’t read well and it’s an embarrassment to the club.

As soon as the case is over, whatever the outcome, we will have to terminate their contracts for misrepresenting the Albion.
Cancel their contracts even if they are found not guilty? Unfair and illegal, I would guess. What if (IF!) it is proved that the girl is lying - would you still sack them?
[quote][p][bold]Hovite[/bold] wrote: Without bringing this thread down and being controversial, it will be interesting to hear the outcome of this court case today because we really need to move on from this. It really dampened the mood of our first year at the Amex. Innocent until proven guilty and all that, but it doesn’t read well and it’s an embarrassment to the club. As soon as the case is over, whatever the outcome, we will have to terminate their contracts for misrepresenting the Albion.[/p][/quote]Cancel their contracts even if they are found not guilty? Unfair and illegal, I would guess. What if (IF!) it is proved that the girl is lying - would you still sack them? Old Scrote of the Amex
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2:47pm Tue 22 Jan 13

VegasSeagull says...

Hovite if we only consider the evidence, and we don't know what that is, this case looks hard to prove, even if it did happen as the lady says it did.

The only people that know what happened are those that were in the room.

If pictures were taken and retained by the accused, and if the prosecution have those pictures, this case looks like a slam dunk.

If zero pictures exist today, if zero witnesses testify on her behalf, if all the players tell the same story, I wonder why it's even in court.

I am not saying it didn't happen, I just wonder what evidence there is to prove it did. He said she said cases are hard to prove, this one is a matter of, he said, 'they,' said, even harder to prove.

To convict these guys there has to be someone outside of those in the room that saw some of the alledged pictures. I would have to think that the prosecution has something by way of evidence, why else would the trial go forward.

Perhaps another was in the room and has not been charged, maybe a deal has been done.

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Hovite if we only consider the evidence, and we don't know what that is, this case looks hard to prove, even if it did happen as the lady says it did. The only people that know what happened are those that were in the room. If pictures were taken and retained by the accused, and if the prosecution have those pictures, this case looks like a slam dunk. If zero pictures exist today, if zero witnesses testify on her behalf, if all the players tell the same story, I wonder why it's even in court. I am not saying it didn't happen, I just wonder what evidence there is to prove it did. He said she said cases are hard to prove, this one is a matter of, he said, 'they,' said, even harder to prove. To convict these guys there has to be someone outside of those in the room that saw some of the alledged pictures. I would have to think that the prosecution has something by way of evidence, why else would the trial go forward. Perhaps another was in the room and has not been charged, maybe a deal has been done. . VegasSeagull
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3:15pm Tue 22 Jan 13

fratsomrover says...

Apparently the chairman of Spanish Second Division club Elche is confirming they are taking Macheda of Man Utd on loan till the end of the season.
He's someone who could have done a job for us. Surprised that we didn't make a move for him.
Apparently the chairman of Spanish Second Division club Elche is confirming they are taking Macheda of Man Utd on loan till the end of the season. He's someone who could have done a job for us. Surprised that we didn't make a move for him. fratsomrover
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3:20pm Tue 22 Jan 13

rolivan says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Hovite if we only consider the evidence, and we don't know what that is, this case looks hard to prove, even if it did happen as the lady says it did.

The only people that know what happened are those that were in the room.

If pictures were taken and retained by the accused, and if the prosecution have those pictures, this case looks like a slam dunk.

If zero pictures exist today, if zero witnesses testify on her behalf, if all the players tell the same story, I wonder why it's even in court.

I am not saying it didn't happen, I just wonder what evidence there is to prove it did. He said she said cases are hard to prove, this one is a matter of, he said, 'they,' said, even harder to prove.

To convict these guys there has to be someone outside of those in the room that saw some of the alledged pictures. I would have to think that the prosecution has something by way of evidence, why else would the trial go forward.

Perhaps another was in the room and has not been charged, maybe a deal has been done.

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I think you will find that the accused provided their own evidence by way of pictures taken on their mobile phones.It does make one wonder why 4 young guys would want to spoil their whole life maybe it is because they have the attitude like so many young footballers everything has to revolve around them.Maybe it is time the F,A, stepped in and contracts are drawn up where players are paid the bulk of their money at the end of their contract which would give them more of an incentive to perform on the pitch and not in Hotel rooms,
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Hovite if we only consider the evidence, and we don't know what that is, this case looks hard to prove, even if it did happen as the lady says it did. The only people that know what happened are those that were in the room. If pictures were taken and retained by the accused, and if the prosecution have those pictures, this case looks like a slam dunk. If zero pictures exist today, if zero witnesses testify on her behalf, if all the players tell the same story, I wonder why it's even in court. I am not saying it didn't happen, I just wonder what evidence there is to prove it did. He said she said cases are hard to prove, this one is a matter of, he said, 'they,' said, even harder to prove. To convict these guys there has to be someone outside of those in the room that saw some of the alledged pictures. I would have to think that the prosecution has something by way of evidence, why else would the trial go forward. Perhaps another was in the room and has not been charged, maybe a deal has been done. .[/p][/quote]I think you will find that the accused provided their own evidence by way of pictures taken on their mobile phones.It does make one wonder why 4 young guys would want to spoil their whole life maybe it is because they have the attitude like so many young footballers everything has to revolve around them.Maybe it is time the F,A, stepped in and contracts are drawn up where players are paid the bulk of their money at the end of their contract which would give them more of an incentive to perform on the pitch and not in Hotel rooms, rolivan
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3:23pm Tue 22 Jan 13

rolivan says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Hovite if we only consider the evidence, and we don't know what that is, this case looks hard to prove, even if it did happen as the lady says it did.

The only people that know what happened are those that were in the room.

If pictures were taken and retained by the accused, and if the prosecution have those pictures, this case looks like a slam dunk.

If zero pictures exist today, if zero witnesses testify on her behalf, if all the players tell the same story, I wonder why it's even in court.

I am not saying it didn't happen, I just wonder what evidence there is to prove it did. He said she said cases are hard to prove, this one is a matter of, he said, 'they,' said, even harder to prove.

To convict these guys there has to be someone outside of those in the room that saw some of the alledged pictures. I would have to think that the prosecution has something by way of evidence, why else would the trial go forward.

Perhaps another was in the room and has not been charged, maybe a deal has been done.

.
I think you will find that the accused provided their own evidence by way of pictures taken on their mobile phones.It does make one wonder why 4 young guys would want to spoil their whole life maybe it is because they have the attitude like so many young footballers everything has to revolve around them.Maybe it is time the F,A, stepped in and contracts are drawn up where players are paid the bulk of their money at the end of their contract which would give them more of an incentive to perform on the pitch and not in Hotel rooms,
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Hovite if we only consider the evidence, and we don't know what that is, this case looks hard to prove, even if it did happen as the lady says it did. The only people that know what happened are those that were in the room. If pictures were taken and retained by the accused, and if the prosecution have those pictures, this case looks like a slam dunk. If zero pictures exist today, if zero witnesses testify on her behalf, if all the players tell the same story, I wonder why it's even in court. I am not saying it didn't happen, I just wonder what evidence there is to prove it did. He said she said cases are hard to prove, this one is a matter of, he said, 'they,' said, even harder to prove. To convict these guys there has to be someone outside of those in the room that saw some of the alledged pictures. I would have to think that the prosecution has something by way of evidence, why else would the trial go forward. Perhaps another was in the room and has not been charged, maybe a deal has been done. .[/p][/quote]I think you will find that the accused provided their own evidence by way of pictures taken on their mobile phones.It does make one wonder why 4 young guys would want to spoil their whole life maybe it is because they have the attitude like so many young footballers everything has to revolve around them.Maybe it is time the F,A, stepped in and contracts are drawn up where players are paid the bulk of their money at the end of their contract which would give them more of an incentive to perform on the pitch and not in Hotel rooms, rolivan
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3:31pm Tue 22 Jan 13

ballantrrae says...

SMF20 wrote:
Sounds like Gp may have to play a little cat and mouse to secure this dutch fella. We all know agents exist to secure the best deal for both the player they represent and themselves. I would err on the side of caution before jumping up with a new raised offer. The agent seems just a bit too keen.
Regarding Bridge... I think Vegas has it right when he says that Bridge might not have to take as big a pay cut as some might think.. Because he is available as a free agent he will be able to command a decent signing on fee to at least compensate a little for some of the lost weekly wage. I think we have a
chance to keep him.
Over to you Gp and co.
SMF20, Hovite and VegasSeagull there is the little question of Tax that needs to be considered here.
No doubt Vegas you will correct me if I am wrong but Bridge might pay less tax in the USA on both any signing on fee and his weekly wage whatever that becomes. In the UK he would be a 50% (soon to be 45%) taxpayer.
Presuming this is in fact the case that US is lower then either Bridge would receive less money Net (of tax) or BHA would have to pay more Gross so that Bridge ends up with the same net amount.
Of course Life Style choices will be a factor. Will Bridge and his family prefer to remain here or go to the States ?
Regarding van Dijk I am not sure whether we can pull this off. As I posted yesterday it might be expedient were we to sign him to offer to loan him back to Groningen who I believe are struggling at the moment and might be relegated.
Whether we acquire him or not I hope we are pursuing other options.
Talking of which I notice that Crawley's McFadzean is obviously available for around £600,000 ie quite alot less than we have apparently already offered (unsuccessfully) for van Dijk. I am not saying we should sign McFadzean (not good enough) but I am mentioning him in the context of other CBs being available at more moderate prices.
UTA tonight.
[quote][p][bold]SMF20[/bold] wrote: Sounds like Gp may have to play a little cat and mouse to secure this dutch fella. We all know agents exist to secure the best deal for both the player they represent and themselves. I would err on the side of caution before jumping up with a new raised offer. The agent seems just a bit too keen. Regarding Bridge... I think Vegas has it right when he says that Bridge might not have to take as big a pay cut as some might think.. Because he is available as a free agent he will be able to command a decent signing on fee to at least compensate a little for some of the lost weekly wage. I think we have a chance to keep him. Over to you Gp and co.[/p][/quote]SMF20, Hovite and VegasSeagull there is the little question of Tax that needs to be considered here. No doubt Vegas you will correct me if I am wrong but Bridge might pay less tax in the USA on both any signing on fee and his weekly wage whatever that becomes. In the UK he would be a 50% (soon to be 45%) taxpayer. Presuming this is in fact the case that US is lower then either Bridge would receive less money Net (of tax) or BHA would have to pay more Gross so that Bridge ends up with the same net amount. Of course Life Style choices will be a factor. Will Bridge and his family prefer to remain here or go to the States ? Regarding van Dijk I am not sure whether we can pull this off. As I posted yesterday it might be expedient were we to sign him to offer to loan him back to Groningen who I believe are struggling at the moment and might be relegated. Whether we acquire him or not I hope we are pursuing other options. Talking of which I notice that Crawley's McFadzean is obviously available for around £600,000 ie quite alot less than we have apparently already offered (unsuccessfully) for van Dijk. I am not saying we should sign McFadzean (not good enough) but I am mentioning him in the context of other CBs being available at more moderate prices. UTA tonight. ballantrrae
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3:51pm Tue 22 Jan 13

mikeygit says...

Just read details of the Case in The Argus and IMO the case could go either way but given the evidence presented so far it looks very compelling the phone photos are there, apparently, for all in the court to see--stupid boys. Only thing is the girl waited six months before going to the police!! This won't do any of the players careers any good---whichever way it goes.
Just read details of the Case in The Argus and IMO the case could go either way but given the evidence presented so far it looks very compelling the phone photos are there, apparently, for all in the court to see--stupid boys. Only thing is the girl waited six months before going to the police!! This won't do any of the players careers any good---whichever way it goes. mikeygit
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4:32pm Tue 22 Jan 13

Hovite says...

They let their team mates, Gus, TB and the fans down. Although this was glossed over last year the whole club suffered from this and we had to stand by them until the court case is over.

All the good work that everyone has put into the club over the last 15 years and they behave like this. This effected the club on all levels more than we think. Academy Dev squad ect ect, even Vicente unsure of a return? Grant Hall leaving? players not joining? the list goes on, everything was put on the line just for their instant gratification and putting the club at a disadvantage on many levels.

TB must have been fuming.
They let their team mates, Gus, TB and the fans down. Although this was glossed over last year the whole club suffered from this and we had to stand by them until the court case is over. All the good work that everyone has put into the club over the last 15 years and they behave like this. This effected the club on all levels more than we think. Academy Dev squad ect ect, even Vicente unsure of a return? Grant Hall leaving? players not joining? the list goes on, everything was put on the line just for their instant gratification and putting the club at a disadvantage on many levels. TB must have been fuming. Hovite
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4:34pm Tue 22 Jan 13

Godstone Gull says...

Not as bad as I thought it was going to be. Not much evidence for sexual assault up till now ,just voyeurism. If the girl knew the photos were being taken, which it appears she did, going through the phone files, not even that.
Not as bad as I thought it was going to be. Not much evidence for sexual assault up till now ,just voyeurism. If the girl knew the photos were being taken, which it appears she did, going through the phone files, not even that. Godstone Gull
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4:59pm Tue 22 Jan 13

Hovite says...

Godstone Gull; if that was your daughter would you still be saying it's not as bad as you thought it would be?

Four blokes one drunk girl, who is taking advantage of the situation? Which one of them was man enough to say leave it out? None of them.
Godstone Gull; if that was your daughter would you still be saying it's not as bad as you thought it would be? Four blokes one drunk girl, who is taking advantage of the situation? Which one of them was man enough to say leave it out? None of them. Hovite
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5:03pm Tue 22 Jan 13

Falmer Wizard says...

Getting back to the subject,Brighton would be a good move for Dijk,a couple of seasons with us to adjust to the English game then a move to a Premiership team giving us a good profit.
Getting back to the subject,Brighton would be a good move for Dijk,a couple of seasons with us to adjust to the English game then a move to a Premiership team giving us a good profit. Falmer Wizard
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5:05pm Tue 22 Jan 13

VegasSeagull says...

Ballantrrae until recently yes, Bridge would have paid lower taxes here but that is no longer the case. I would say that his tax liability would be about the same. If he did come over, and purely thinking of taxes, he would do well to stay away from California and New York.

The big difference is what your money can buy here. Anything worth having, house, car and kids education fees are way cheaper. Medical services are pretty much instant but healthcare insurance costs are quite high but I would expect his club to pay those.

In short, Brighton can't compete on money and or standard of life. Not everything is good over here but if you make big money, you are insulated from the bad.
Ballantrrae until recently yes, Bridge would have paid lower taxes here but that is no longer the case. I would say that his tax liability would be about the same. If he did come over, and purely thinking of taxes, he would do well to stay away from California and New York. The big difference is what your money can buy here. Anything worth having, house, car and kids education fees are way cheaper. Medical services are pretty much instant but healthcare insurance costs are quite high but I would expect his club to pay those. In short, Brighton can't compete on money and or standard of life. Not everything is good over here but if you make big money, you are insulated from the bad. VegasSeagull
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5:12pm Tue 22 Jan 13

VegasSeagull says...

Hovite am I right in thinking that most contracts have a, 'good behaviour,' clause written in, most clubs have this I believe.

I would have thought that if any of the players are found guilty of any charge they would be in breach of contract.

Even if they are found not guilty of any offense the club might well say, 'you may have not brioken the law but you did break our rules.'
These guys could see their contracts terminated without a settlement pay off.
Hovite am I right in thinking that most contracts have a, 'good behaviour,' clause written in, most clubs have this I believe. I would have thought that if any of the players are found guilty of any charge they would be in breach of contract. Even if they are found not guilty of any offense the club might well say, 'you may have not brioken the law but you did break our rules.' These guys could see their contracts terminated without a settlement pay off. VegasSeagull
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5:28pm Tue 22 Jan 13

Hovite says...

Yep Vegas the club have had to wait until after the court case, regardless of the outcome, to terminate their contracts for misrepresenting the club.

I don't think they could have legally terminated their contracts back then, the only choices were suspending them or giving them the benefit of the doubt until court when the details were made public.
Yep Vegas the club have had to wait until after the court case, regardless of the outcome, to terminate their contracts for misrepresenting the club. I don't think they could have legally terminated their contracts back then, the only choices were suspending them or giving them the benefit of the doubt until court when the details were made public. Hovite
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5:30pm Tue 22 Jan 13

hannover seagull says...

Vegas
Your Slam Dunk comment is priceless

Could be a Sun headline.
Vegas Your Slam Dunk comment is priceless Could be a Sun headline. hannover seagull
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5:38pm Tue 22 Jan 13

VegasSeagull says...

hannover seagull wrote:
Vegas Your Slam Dunk comment is priceless Could be a Sun headline.
Yeah I was going to say sorry for the pun but didn't think the subject matter was right to have a chuckle with.

Think about Dunk for a moment. He is the only one on trial from our club that makes the bench or plays, and who are we trying to sign, a central defender, makes me wonder.

It was reported that Dunk might be sold but the deal fell thru. Could it be that Brighton have decided to end his contract due to breaking club rules, regardless of the trial outcome? It makes the move for Dijk more of a needs move than a, 'worth buying,' move.
[quote][p][bold]hannover seagull[/bold] wrote: Vegas Your Slam Dunk comment is priceless Could be a Sun headline.[/p][/quote]Yeah I was going to say sorry for the pun but didn't think the subject matter was right to have a chuckle with. Think about Dunk for a moment. He is the only one on trial from our club that makes the bench or plays, and who are we trying to sign, a central defender, makes me wonder. It was reported that Dunk might be sold but the deal fell thru. Could it be that Brighton have decided to end his contract due to breaking club rules, regardless of the trial outcome? It makes the move for Dijk more of a needs move than a, 'worth buying,' move. VegasSeagull
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6:11pm Tue 22 Jan 13

Rockbilly says...

Yes they have let the club down as well as their famlies the club booked the hotel so why did the club not get someone like Charlie to tell them how things can get out control with drink and young girls.And that could be any of our daughters .
Yes they have let the club down as well as their famlies the club booked the hotel so why did the club not get someone like Charlie to tell them how things can get out control with drink and young girls.And that could be any of our daughters . Rockbilly
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6:13pm Tue 22 Jan 13

Hovite says...

We already have the Latvian chap so I think this was already covered for the outcome, Dijk is the bonus.

Dunk has gone from being a million pound asset to the club, to losing the club this money. All that time, investment and effort on him, and TB will get zilch for his trust and efforts.
We already have the Latvian chap so I think this was already covered for the outcome, Dijk is the bonus. Dunk has gone from being a million pound asset to the club, to losing the club this money. All that time, investment and effort on him, and TB will get zilch for his trust and efforts. Hovite
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6:16pm Tue 22 Jan 13

Hovite says...

Nice try Rockbilly / Freloader / taffster, if only it was sincere.
Nice try Rockbilly / Freloader / taffster, if only it was sincere. Hovite
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6:18pm Tue 22 Jan 13

Old Scrote of the Amex says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
hannover seagull wrote:
Vegas Your Slam Dunk comment is priceless Could be a Sun headline.
Yeah I was going to say sorry for the pun but didn't think the subject matter was right to have a chuckle with.

Think about Dunk for a moment. He is the only one on trial from our club that makes the bench or plays, and who are we trying to sign, a central defender, makes me wonder.

It was reported that Dunk might be sold but the deal fell thru. Could it be that Brighton have decided to end his contract due to breaking club rules, regardless of the trial outcome? It makes the move for Dijk more of a needs move than a, 'worth buying,' move.
It all depends on what the boys did - if they are found to have broken no laws then why would the club get rid of them?
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hannover seagull[/bold] wrote: Vegas Your Slam Dunk comment is priceless Could be a Sun headline.[/p][/quote]Yeah I was going to say sorry for the pun but didn't think the subject matter was right to have a chuckle with. Think about Dunk for a moment. He is the only one on trial from our club that makes the bench or plays, and who are we trying to sign, a central defender, makes me wonder. It was reported that Dunk might be sold but the deal fell thru. Could it be that Brighton have decided to end his contract due to breaking club rules, regardless of the trial outcome? It makes the move for Dijk more of a needs move than a, 'worth buying,' move.[/p][/quote]It all depends on what the boys did - if they are found to have broken no laws then why would the club get rid of them? Old Scrote of the Amex
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6:22pm Tue 22 Jan 13

Old Scrote of the Amex says...

I still believe that none of the players (or anyone accused of such a crime) should be named unless and until found guilty.
I still believe that none of the players (or anyone accused of such a crime) should be named unless and until found guilty. Old Scrote of the Amex
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6:29pm Tue 22 Jan 13

brightonup says...

I don't know enough about the case to form an opinion about innocence or guilt, but it seems clear to me that the shadow of the Court Case has affected Dunk's performances on the pitch - just as Lua Lua was affected by a similar threat !
I don't know enough about the case to form an opinion about innocence or guilt, but it seems clear to me that the shadow of the Court Case has affected Dunk's performances on the pitch - just as Lua Lua was affected by a similar threat ! brightonup
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6:32pm Tue 22 Jan 13

Hovite says...

I wouldn't say a similar threat, I would have rather have been in KLL's position any day.
I wouldn't say a similar threat, I would have rather have been in KLL's position any day. Hovite
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6:42pm Tue 22 Jan 13

born again seagull says...

The club may sell Dunk if they choose, but cant see them just terminatig his contract since they would lose out. There will always be a club that will pay for him. Not many morals when it comes to football is there now.
The club may sell Dunk if they choose, but cant see them just terminatig his contract since they would lose out. There will always be a club that will pay for him. Not many morals when it comes to football is there now. born again seagull
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6:46pm Tue 22 Jan 13

WisdomSpeaks says...

ballantrrae wrote:
Alan G Skinner wrote:
I wonder if Dean Wilkins fancies a coaching role with us, now he has been fired by Southampton?
Good question Alan Skinner.
Dean might not have been the best manager around but he is a first rate coach.
Totally agree. He is one of the best - a real coach and never felt comfortable dealing with media and, I expect, people at director level.

Love to see him back as coach but unlikely.
[quote][p][bold]ballantrrae[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alan G Skinner[/bold] wrote: I wonder if Dean Wilkins fancies a coaching role with us, now he has been fired by Southampton?[/p][/quote]Good question Alan Skinner. Dean might not have been the best manager around but he is a first rate coach.[/p][/quote]Totally agree. He is one of the best - a real coach and never felt comfortable dealing with media and, I expect, people at director level. Love to see him back as coach but unlikely. WisdomSpeaks
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6:56pm Tue 22 Jan 13

WisdomSpeaks says...

fratsomrover wrote:
Apparently the chairman of Spanish Second Division club Elche is confirming they are taking Macheda of Man Utd on loan till the end of the season.
He's someone who could have done a job for us. Surprised that we didn't make a move for him.
I think he could have done a great job on loan but I don't think we'll ever see any business between United and us all the time Fergie and Gus are in place at the two clubs!

Everyone knows how Fergie works and he was not impressed with Gus getting involved in the Evra confict with Suarez when it was none of his business.

Also Gus' totally unnecessary comment at the end of the interview after Newcastle game when he was asked what he thought of Lopez's theatricals after the Ameobi incedent - 'ask Alex Ferguson - he knows everything'!

Sarcastic and again uneccessary and the things which let the club down and nothing gets by Fergie's eagle eye! Even reports from Argentine media get shown to him! I hope Gus learns.
[quote][p][bold]fratsomrover[/bold] wrote: Apparently the chairman of Spanish Second Division club Elche is confirming they are taking Macheda of Man Utd on loan till the end of the season. He's someone who could have done a job for us. Surprised that we didn't make a move for him.[/p][/quote]I think he could have done a great job on loan but I don't think we'll ever see any business between United and us all the time Fergie and Gus are in place at the two clubs! Everyone knows how Fergie works and he was not impressed with Gus getting involved in the Evra confict with Suarez when it was none of his business. Also Gus' totally unnecessary comment at the end of the interview after Newcastle game when he was asked what he thought of Lopez's theatricals after the Ameobi incedent - 'ask Alex Ferguson - he knows everything'! Sarcastic and again uneccessary and the things which let the club down and nothing gets by Fergie's eagle eye! Even reports from Argentine media get shown to him! I hope Gus learns. WisdomSpeaks
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7:15pm Tue 22 Jan 13

hannover seagull says...

Old Scrote of the Amex wrote:
I still believe that none of the players (or anyone accused of such a crime) should be named unless and until found guilty.
Excellent point you bring up

I have always found this distasteful and in principle legally flawed as cases of deformation of character normally follow.

In Germany for instance you are not allowed to name and shame until justice has been served.

But alas, the Redtops hunger for scandal has to be sated

3-1 to the stripes by the way tonight.

UTA.................
[quote][p][bold]Old Scrote of the Amex[/bold] wrote: I still believe that none of the players (or anyone accused of such a crime) should be named unless and until found guilty.[/p][/quote]Excellent point you bring up I have always found this distasteful and in principle legally flawed as cases of deformation of character normally follow. In Germany for instance you are not allowed to name and shame until justice has been served. But alas, the Redtops hunger for scandal has to be sated 3-1 to the stripes by the way tonight. UTA................. hannover seagull
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10:36pm Tue 22 Jan 13

pte says...

Dunk was tipped for the top and you cant get any higher than the Old Bailey.

I think we definitely need a replacement. We need real men
Dunk was tipped for the top and you cant get any higher than the Old Bailey. I think we definitely need a replacement. We need real men pte
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