Albion boss Poyet takes blame for lucky escape at Rovers

Gus Poyet looks concerned on the sidelines at Ewood Park

Gus Poyet looks concerned on the sidelines at Ewood Park

First published in Sport by , Chief sports reporter

ALBION boss Gus Poyet has owned up to getting his team and tactics wrong after his side snatched a point from the jaws of defeat at Blackburn.

A penalty from David six minutes into injury time, his third in seven games, rescued a 1-1 draw for the Seagulls at Ewood Park last night which has lifted them up a place to seventh, four points outside the Championship play-offs.

Poyet gave injury-plagued Vicente his first league start of the season as a deep-lying centre forward but the move backfired and the Spaniard was taken off early in the second half. Poyet told The Argus: “We need Vicente to play. In the last two games he was on the bench and we were waiting to see how the game went. We couldn’t play him against Derby and he had only eight minutes at Birmingham, so I wanted just to start him and see how long he could play. Now he is fit we need to use him.

“We used him in that position pre-season and it worked a lot, coming off the front and getting the ball and making us play, but we were not strong enough to go and attack and really show we wanted to win the game, so we were not ourselves, maybe because of (Will) Buckley and (Craig) Mackail-Smith being on the bench.

“I pick the team. I picked a different team and it didn’t work. The players are responsible because they are on the pitch and they cannot hide but I thought the game would go one way and it didn't."

David's third success from the spot, and his fourth goal in total after scoring in open play at Birmingham on Saturday, confirms that Albion have at last found a reliable penalty taker.

Poyet said: "That's the good news, that is what the chairman (Tony Bloom) is going to be happy about, because we were terrible taking penalties for the last year and a half.

"When it's David Lopez I am quite confident. Before that I used to hide from watching, so it's nice to have a penalty taker."

Albion are still waiting for international clearance for new signing Leonardo Ulloa, who was again a frustrated onlooker. Poyet lamented: “I don’t know what is the problem with the FA. I have never seen something like this.”

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9:50am Wed 23 Jan 13

PittaPatta says...

I simply cannot believe what I witnessed last night. My beloved Albion, with enough talent and skill to cakewalk this league at a canter, making a very ham-fisted attempt at closing down a match and winning on the break.
Last night we were simply caught in the unenviable position of providing enough quality to take the three points necessary, while having one eye on a forthcoming glamour cup tie, and all that is entailed with that.
In short, the whole plot almost backfired miserably. This was especially so after enjoying the better share of a leaden footed first half; a half where the magic of Vicente, together with the rising reputation of Orlandi, promised so much, but delivered very little. This was despite the fact that Blackburn appeared as concerned as us regarding Saturday's challenge, offering little impetus for a home side needing to be positive under their third manager of the campaign.
Having held my breath on numerous occasions where Adam El-Abd is concerned, it was hardly surprising to see his outrageous close marking reactions giving away a penalty that was hardly deserved on the night, but which could have made the difference. When will Gus impress on the player, that overt contact in the box, together with obvious and excessive match marking, will lead to a good deal more trouble in future, as officials clamp down on this kind of behaviour.
The resulting second period was once again so typical of the Albion. We can never seem to play both halves in the same vain, and this is so frustrating. Last night's slow early progress had been rendered completely useless following the penalty, and our shell shocked team were never quite sure how to play after that. Substituting arguably the best players did not help the situation, although it was hardly likely that Vicente would last the whole game anyway. Once again, our final eleven should have had enough to take the game to the home side, but were let down by a formation that limited any offensive movements, when, with only a little coaching quality, things could have been so different.
On the night, the only satisfaction was to reverse a trend that we were beginning to fall foul of ourselves, namely the last gasp goal. Thank goodness for David Lopez!
I simply cannot believe what I witnessed last night. My beloved Albion, with enough talent and skill to cakewalk this league at a canter, making a very ham-fisted attempt at closing down a match and winning on the break. Last night we were simply caught in the unenviable position of providing enough quality to take the three points necessary, while having one eye on a forthcoming glamour cup tie, and all that is entailed with that. In short, the whole plot almost backfired miserably. This was especially so after enjoying the better share of a leaden footed first half; a half where the magic of Vicente, together with the rising reputation of Orlandi, promised so much, but delivered very little. This was despite the fact that Blackburn appeared as concerned as us regarding Saturday's challenge, offering little impetus for a home side needing to be positive under their third manager of the campaign. Having held my breath on numerous occasions where Adam El-Abd is concerned, it was hardly surprising to see his outrageous close marking reactions giving away a penalty that was hardly deserved on the night, but which could have made the difference. When will Gus impress on the player, that overt contact in the box, together with obvious and excessive match marking, will lead to a good deal more trouble in future, as officials clamp down on this kind of behaviour. The resulting second period was once again so typical of the Albion. We can never seem to play both halves in the same vain, and this is so frustrating. Last night's slow early progress had been rendered completely useless following the penalty, and our shell shocked team were never quite sure how to play after that. Substituting arguably the best players did not help the situation, although it was hardly likely that Vicente would last the whole game anyway. Once again, our final eleven should have had enough to take the game to the home side, but were let down by a formation that limited any offensive movements, when, with only a little coaching quality, things could have been so different. On the night, the only satisfaction was to reverse a trend that we were beginning to fall foul of ourselves, namely the last gasp goal. Thank goodness for David Lopez! PittaPatta
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9:57am Wed 23 Jan 13

saltdeanres says...

PittaPatta wrote:
I simply cannot believe what I witnessed last night. My beloved Albion, with enough talent and skill to cakewalk this league at a canter, making a very ham-fisted attempt at closing down a match and winning on the break.
Last night we were simply caught in the unenviable position of providing enough quality to take the three points necessary, while having one eye on a forthcoming glamour cup tie, and all that is entailed with that.
In short, the whole plot almost backfired miserably. This was especially so after enjoying the better share of a leaden footed first half; a half where the magic of Vicente, together with the rising reputation of Orlandi, promised so much, but delivered very little. This was despite the fact that Blackburn appeared as concerned as us regarding Saturday's challenge, offering little impetus for a home side needing to be positive under their third manager of the campaign.
Having held my breath on numerous occasions where Adam El-Abd is concerned, it was hardly surprising to see his outrageous close marking reactions giving away a penalty that was hardly deserved on the night, but which could have made the difference. When will Gus impress on the player, that overt contact in the box, together with obvious and excessive match marking, will lead to a good deal more trouble in future, as officials clamp down on this kind of behaviour.
The resulting second period was once again so typical of the Albion. We can never seem to play both halves in the same vain, and this is so frustrating. Last night's slow early progress had been rendered completely useless following the penalty, and our shell shocked team were never quite sure how to play after that. Substituting arguably the best players did not help the situation, although it was hardly likely that Vicente would last the whole game anyway. Once again, our final eleven should have had enough to take the game to the home side, but were let down by a formation that limited any offensive movements, when, with only a little coaching quality, things could have been so different.
On the night, the only satisfaction was to reverse a trend that we were beginning to fall foul of ourselves, namely the last gasp goal. Thank goodness for David Lopez!
A good report, you've summed it up perfectly.
[quote][p][bold]PittaPatta[/bold] wrote: I simply cannot believe what I witnessed last night. My beloved Albion, with enough talent and skill to cakewalk this league at a canter, making a very ham-fisted attempt at closing down a match and winning on the break. Last night we were simply caught in the unenviable position of providing enough quality to take the three points necessary, while having one eye on a forthcoming glamour cup tie, and all that is entailed with that. In short, the whole plot almost backfired miserably. This was especially so after enjoying the better share of a leaden footed first half; a half where the magic of Vicente, together with the rising reputation of Orlandi, promised so much, but delivered very little. This was despite the fact that Blackburn appeared as concerned as us regarding Saturday's challenge, offering little impetus for a home side needing to be positive under their third manager of the campaign. Having held my breath on numerous occasions where Adam El-Abd is concerned, it was hardly surprising to see his outrageous close marking reactions giving away a penalty that was hardly deserved on the night, but which could have made the difference. When will Gus impress on the player, that overt contact in the box, together with obvious and excessive match marking, will lead to a good deal more trouble in future, as officials clamp down on this kind of behaviour. The resulting second period was once again so typical of the Albion. We can never seem to play both halves in the same vain, and this is so frustrating. Last night's slow early progress had been rendered completely useless following the penalty, and our shell shocked team were never quite sure how to play after that. Substituting arguably the best players did not help the situation, although it was hardly likely that Vicente would last the whole game anyway. Once again, our final eleven should have had enough to take the game to the home side, but were let down by a formation that limited any offensive movements, when, with only a little coaching quality, things could have been so different. On the night, the only satisfaction was to reverse a trend that we were beginning to fall foul of ourselves, namely the last gasp goal. Thank goodness for David Lopez![/p][/quote]A good report, you've summed it up perfectly. saltdeanres
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10:01am Wed 23 Jan 13

Old Scrote of the Amex says...

Worth mentioning that Blackburn are still stuffed with players who have played a hell of a lot of games in the Premier League and we have not. Yes, they have (under two other managers) under-performed this season, but to expect us to cake-walk the league(!) is surely wholly unreasonable?
Worth mentioning that Blackburn are still stuffed with players who have played a hell of a lot of games in the Premier League and we have not. Yes, they have (under two other managers) under-performed this season, but to expect us to cake-walk the league(!) is surely wholly unreasonable? Old Scrote of the Amex
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10:03am Wed 23 Jan 13

CanfieldRob says...

saltdeanres wrote:
PittaPatta wrote:
I simply cannot believe what I witnessed last night. My beloved Albion, with enough talent and skill to cakewalk this league at a canter, making a very ham-fisted attempt at closing down a match and winning on the break.
Last night we were simply caught in the unenviable position of providing enough quality to take the three points necessary, while having one eye on a forthcoming glamour cup tie, and all that is entailed with that.
In short, the whole plot almost backfired miserably. This was especially so after enjoying the better share of a leaden footed first half; a half where the magic of Vicente, together with the rising reputation of Orlandi, promised so much, but delivered very little. This was despite the fact that Blackburn appeared as concerned as us regarding Saturday's challenge, offering little impetus for a home side needing to be positive under their third manager of the campaign.
Having held my breath on numerous occasions where Adam El-Abd is concerned, it was hardly surprising to see his outrageous close marking reactions giving away a penalty that was hardly deserved on the night, but which could have made the difference. When will Gus impress on the player, that overt contact in the box, together with obvious and excessive match marking, will lead to a good deal more trouble in future, as officials clamp down on this kind of behaviour.
The resulting second period was once again so typical of the Albion. We can never seem to play both halves in the same vain, and this is so frustrating. Last night's slow early progress had been rendered completely useless following the penalty, and our shell shocked team were never quite sure how to play after that. Substituting arguably the best players did not help the situation, although it was hardly likely that Vicente would last the whole game anyway. Once again, our final eleven should have had enough to take the game to the home side, but were let down by a formation that limited any offensive movements, when, with only a little coaching quality, things could have been so different.
On the night, the only satisfaction was to reverse a trend that we were beginning to fall foul of ourselves, namely the last gasp goal. Thank goodness for David Lopez!
A good report, you've summed it up perfectly.
Agree with this - a very fine summary PP. Thank you.
[quote][p][bold]saltdeanres[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PittaPatta[/bold] wrote: I simply cannot believe what I witnessed last night. My beloved Albion, with enough talent and skill to cakewalk this league at a canter, making a very ham-fisted attempt at closing down a match and winning on the break. Last night we were simply caught in the unenviable position of providing enough quality to take the three points necessary, while having one eye on a forthcoming glamour cup tie, and all that is entailed with that. In short, the whole plot almost backfired miserably. This was especially so after enjoying the better share of a leaden footed first half; a half where the magic of Vicente, together with the rising reputation of Orlandi, promised so much, but delivered very little. This was despite the fact that Blackburn appeared as concerned as us regarding Saturday's challenge, offering little impetus for a home side needing to be positive under their third manager of the campaign. Having held my breath on numerous occasions where Adam El-Abd is concerned, it was hardly surprising to see his outrageous close marking reactions giving away a penalty that was hardly deserved on the night, but which could have made the difference. When will Gus impress on the player, that overt contact in the box, together with obvious and excessive match marking, will lead to a good deal more trouble in future, as officials clamp down on this kind of behaviour. The resulting second period was once again so typical of the Albion. We can never seem to play both halves in the same vain, and this is so frustrating. Last night's slow early progress had been rendered completely useless following the penalty, and our shell shocked team were never quite sure how to play after that. Substituting arguably the best players did not help the situation, although it was hardly likely that Vicente would last the whole game anyway. Once again, our final eleven should have had enough to take the game to the home side, but were let down by a formation that limited any offensive movements, when, with only a little coaching quality, things could have been so different. On the night, the only satisfaction was to reverse a trend that we were beginning to fall foul of ourselves, namely the last gasp goal. Thank goodness for David Lopez![/p][/quote]A good report, you've summed it up perfectly.[/p][/quote]Agree with this - a very fine summary PP. Thank you. CanfieldRob
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10:06am Wed 23 Jan 13

MelsTels says...

Gus takes the blame for wrong selection etc - easy to say in hindsight. He obviously thought that was the best lineup before the match, and went with his convictions - but nobody can predict the outcome of a match - so I go along with his thoughts. I'm pleased to get the point and would have settled for it before the ball was kicked - so the selection got the required result - however it was gained. Good to see us get the late goal for a change. Roll on Saturday and another win. 100% behind you Gus - we are going in the right direction, at the right speed, with the right players coming in. This should get the comments going !!!
Gus takes the blame for wrong selection etc - easy to say in hindsight. He obviously thought that was the best lineup before the match, and went with his convictions - but nobody can predict the outcome of a match - so I go along with his thoughts. I'm pleased to get the point and would have settled for it before the ball was kicked - so the selection got the required result - however it was gained. Good to see us get the late goal for a change. Roll on Saturday and another win. 100% behind you Gus - we are going in the right direction, at the right speed, with the right players coming in. This should get the comments going !!! MelsTels
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10:25am Wed 23 Jan 13

Jonathan Mouette says...

Old Scrote of the Amex wrote:
Worth mentioning that Blackburn are still stuffed with players who have played a hell of a lot of games in the Premier League and we have not. Yes, they have (under two other managers) under-performed this season, but to expect us to cake-walk the league(!) is surely wholly unreasonable?
Thanks PP for the comprehensive report and Scrote, No, it's not worth mentioning and No, it's not wholly unreasonable. Funny that the Rover's man of the match was Colin Kazim Richards... talk about rubbing salt in sore wounds... (10k and a bottle of Coke if I remember rightly, which I rarely do of course.
[quote][p][bold]Old Scrote of the Amex[/bold] wrote: Worth mentioning that Blackburn are still stuffed with players who have played a hell of a lot of games in the Premier League and we have not. Yes, they have (under two other managers) under-performed this season, but to expect us to cake-walk the league(!) is surely wholly unreasonable?[/p][/quote]Thanks PP for the comprehensive report and Scrote, No, it's not worth mentioning and No, it's not wholly unreasonable. Funny that the Rover's man of the match was Colin Kazim Richards... talk about rubbing salt in sore wounds... (10k and a bottle of Coke if I remember rightly, which I rarely do of course. Jonathan Mouette
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10:26am Wed 23 Jan 13

franckiep en france says...

Brighton boss Gus Poyet says he would like to manage Arsenal or Chelsea.
Brighton boss Gus Poyet says he would like to manage Arsenal or Chelsea. franckiep en france
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10:27am Wed 23 Jan 13

Yorkieseagull says...

PittaPatta wrote:
I simply cannot believe what I witnessed last night. My beloved Albion, with enough talent and skill to cakewalk this league at a canter, making a very ham-fisted attempt at closing down a match and winning on the break.
Last night we were simply caught in the unenviable position of providing enough quality to take the three points necessary, while having one eye on a forthcoming glamour cup tie, and all that is entailed with that.
In short, the whole plot almost backfired miserably. This was especially so after enjoying the better share of a leaden footed first half; a half where the magic of Vicente, together with the rising reputation of Orlandi, promised so much, but delivered very little. This was despite the fact that Blackburn appeared as concerned as us regarding Saturday's challenge, offering little impetus for a home side needing to be positive under their third manager of the campaign.
Having held my breath on numerous occasions where Adam El-Abd is concerned, it was hardly surprising to see his outrageous close marking reactions giving away a penalty that was hardly deserved on the night, but which could have made the difference. When will Gus impress on the player, that overt contact in the box, together with obvious and excessive match marking, will lead to a good deal more trouble in future, as officials clamp down on this kind of behaviour.
The resulting second period was once again so typical of the Albion. We can never seem to play both halves in the same vain, and this is so frustrating. Last night's slow early progress had been rendered completely useless following the penalty, and our shell shocked team were never quite sure how to play after that. Substituting arguably the best players did not help the situation, although it was hardly likely that Vicente would last the whole game anyway. Once again, our final eleven should have had enough to take the game to the home side, but were let down by a formation that limited any offensive movements, when, with only a little coaching quality, things could have been so different.
On the night, the only satisfaction was to reverse a trend that we were beginning to fall foul of ourselves, namely the last gasp goal. Thank goodness for David Lopez!
Good post. ElAbd could do with a talking to about not drawing attention to himself at set plays. It is sometimes amusing to see him indulging in his fixation for stroking the hair of the opposing centre forward, but all it does is register with the ref that he may need to keep an eye on further developments. And he also needs to cut out the melodrama of falling over clutching his face every time he feels he can gain an advantage. Listening on BBC Sussex last night it seems he did it again, and then recovered like Lazarus to sprint back and make a tackle. He's a hard grafter but should smarten up.
[quote][p][bold]PittaPatta[/bold] wrote: I simply cannot believe what I witnessed last night. My beloved Albion, with enough talent and skill to cakewalk this league at a canter, making a very ham-fisted attempt at closing down a match and winning on the break. Last night we were simply caught in the unenviable position of providing enough quality to take the three points necessary, while having one eye on a forthcoming glamour cup tie, and all that is entailed with that. In short, the whole plot almost backfired miserably. This was especially so after enjoying the better share of a leaden footed first half; a half where the magic of Vicente, together with the rising reputation of Orlandi, promised so much, but delivered very little. This was despite the fact that Blackburn appeared as concerned as us regarding Saturday's challenge, offering little impetus for a home side needing to be positive under their third manager of the campaign. Having held my breath on numerous occasions where Adam El-Abd is concerned, it was hardly surprising to see his outrageous close marking reactions giving away a penalty that was hardly deserved on the night, but which could have made the difference. When will Gus impress on the player, that overt contact in the box, together with obvious and excessive match marking, will lead to a good deal more trouble in future, as officials clamp down on this kind of behaviour. The resulting second period was once again so typical of the Albion. We can never seem to play both halves in the same vain, and this is so frustrating. Last night's slow early progress had been rendered completely useless following the penalty, and our shell shocked team were never quite sure how to play after that. Substituting arguably the best players did not help the situation, although it was hardly likely that Vicente would last the whole game anyway. Once again, our final eleven should have had enough to take the game to the home side, but were let down by a formation that limited any offensive movements, when, with only a little coaching quality, things could have been so different. On the night, the only satisfaction was to reverse a trend that we were beginning to fall foul of ourselves, namely the last gasp goal. Thank goodness for David Lopez![/p][/quote]Good post. ElAbd could do with a talking to about not drawing attention to himself at set plays. It is sometimes amusing to see him indulging in his fixation for stroking the hair of the opposing centre forward, but all it does is register with the ref that he may need to keep an eye on further developments. And he also needs to cut out the melodrama of falling over clutching his face every time he feels he can gain an advantage. Listening on BBC Sussex last night it seems he did it again, and then recovered like Lazarus to sprint back and make a tackle. He's a hard grafter but should smarten up. Yorkieseagull
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10:30am Wed 23 Jan 13

Yorkieseagull says...

franckiep en france wrote:
Brighton boss Gus Poyet says he would like to manage Arsenal or Chelsea.
Yes and I would like to spend a night with Mrs Sarkozy but I can't see that happening anytime soon either.
[quote][p][bold]franckiep en france[/bold] wrote: Brighton boss Gus Poyet says he would like to manage Arsenal or Chelsea.[/p][/quote]Yes and I would like to spend a night with Mrs Sarkozy but I can't see that happening anytime soon either. Yorkieseagull
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10:41am Wed 23 Jan 13

Bushell says...

I am 100% behind Gus and I know this is a bit controversial but do we have to play Vincente until he is match fit for the whole 90 minutes ? I think last night by the sounds of things that we were poor because Gus thought he had to play Vincente which changed our whole game plan. By leaving CMS and WB on the bench to accomodate Vincente it did not work and I feel Vincente should be playing just in the hole behind CMS with WB out wide. The problem with that I suppose is that Vincente does not defend much so we have more pressure on LB and whoever is along side him which makes us more vulnerable at the back so this is a dilema for Gus. If you add Ulloa to the issue its a real problem. Thoughts from you guys please,
I am 100% behind Gus and I know this is a bit controversial but do we have to play Vincente until he is match fit for the whole 90 minutes ? I think last night by the sounds of things that we were poor because Gus thought he had to play Vincente which changed our whole game plan. By leaving CMS and WB on the bench to accomodate Vincente it did not work and I feel Vincente should be playing just in the hole behind CMS with WB out wide. The problem with that I suppose is that Vincente does not defend much so we have more pressure on LB and whoever is along side him which makes us more vulnerable at the back so this is a dilema for Gus. If you add Ulloa to the issue its a real problem. Thoughts from you guys please, Bushell
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10:50am Wed 23 Jan 13

Seagullkid says...

funny old game football is,now I know how the Blackburn fans feel like us after Saturday.
also funny how gus has spent £2m on a striker with us owning £8m and using a midfielder for a striker bet tony was wondering what the hell is going on like the rest of us.
been reading the notes on this site for the last few days and it blows your mind, ie we are going to do this or going to do that but let's get real Brighton fc is a 2nd div side at its best always will be, ok we had 4 years at the top with a cup final.
but to be fair we are in this league and doing well which is good enough at the moment,if and I say if we do go up in a few years then great but let's do it when we are ready for it, not go up and come back down again.
and if we do want to go up then we need to look at gus what was he playing at last night? same like he did last season had playoffs in sight and throw it away,have never know a manager to change a team around as much as gus does or is it just me?
funny old game football is,now I know how the Blackburn fans feel like us after Saturday. also funny how gus has spent £2m on a striker with us owning £8m and using a midfielder for a striker bet tony was wondering what the hell is going on like the rest of us. been reading the notes on this site for the last few days and it blows your mind, ie we are going to do this or going to do that but let's get real Brighton fc is a 2nd div side at its best always will be, ok we had 4 years at the top with a cup final. but to be fair we are in this league and doing well which is good enough at the moment,if and I say if we do go up in a few years then great but let's do it when we are ready for it, not go up and come back down again. and if we do want to go up then we need to look at gus what was he playing at last night? same like he did last season had playoffs in sight and throw it away,have never know a manager to change a team around as much as gus does or is it just me? Seagullkid
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11:02am Wed 23 Jan 13

GosportGull says...

MelsTels wrote:
Gus takes the blame for wrong selection etc - easy to say in hindsight. He obviously thought that was the best lineup before the match, and went with his convictions - but nobody can predict the outcome of a match - so I go along with his thoughts. I'm pleased to get the point and would have settled for it before the ball was kicked - so the selection got the required result - however it was gained. Good to see us get the late goal for a change. Roll on Saturday and another win. 100% behind you Gus - we are going in the right direction, at the right speed, with the right players coming in. This should get the comments going !!!
If we keep accepting draws we are not going to get promoted .. Just because Blackburn were a Premiership side should not mean that we should settle for a draw.. we had more than enough talent and skill out there last night to win ! I think Gus is right , he got it wrong ..and i hate to say it ..but AGAIN !
We look so impotent going forward , why does he play BARNES amazes me ! He offers very little to the side.
When you have players of the obvious quality of Buckley and Hoskins sat on the bench just beggars belief !
I totally agree with Vicente starting but somebody else would have to forsake their postion.. Hoskins came on and had a shot on goal, one of very few if not the only one ! Hoskins should be starting every game after what he did against Newcastle !
I do wonder as to Poyets decision making ..I would have loved to have seen Hoskins and Vicente link up but no ..we endured Barnes falling over everytime a defender got near him ....

I have always sang Adams praises but he needs to concentrate on his game and not worry about winding up the oppostions forwards !

Good points was a start for Vicente and David playing well and taking another good penalty... Funnily enough, i think David is better playing at right back and his forward runs from that position are exciting... GG
[quote][p][bold]MelsTels[/bold] wrote: Gus takes the blame for wrong selection etc - easy to say in hindsight. He obviously thought that was the best lineup before the match, and went with his convictions - but nobody can predict the outcome of a match - so I go along with his thoughts. I'm pleased to get the point and would have settled for it before the ball was kicked - so the selection got the required result - however it was gained. Good to see us get the late goal for a change. Roll on Saturday and another win. 100% behind you Gus - we are going in the right direction, at the right speed, with the right players coming in. This should get the comments going !!![/p][/quote]If we keep accepting draws we are not going to get promoted .. Just because Blackburn were a Premiership side should not mean that we should settle for a draw.. we had more than enough talent and skill out there last night to win ! I think Gus is right , he got it wrong ..and i hate to say it ..but AGAIN ! We look so impotent going forward , why does he play BARNES amazes me ! He offers very little to the side. When you have players of the obvious quality of Buckley and Hoskins sat on the bench just beggars belief ! I totally agree with Vicente starting but somebody else would have to forsake their postion.. Hoskins came on and had a shot on goal, one of very few if not the only one ! Hoskins should be starting every game after what he did against Newcastle ! I do wonder as to Poyets decision making ..I would have loved to have seen Hoskins and Vicente link up but no ..we endured Barnes falling over everytime a defender got near him .... I have always sang Adams praises but he needs to concentrate on his game and not worry about winding up the oppostions forwards ! Good points was a start for Vicente and David playing well and taking another good penalty... Funnily enough, i think David is better playing at right back and his forward runs from that position are exciting... GG GosportGull
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11:04am Wed 23 Jan 13

Hovite says...

Bushell wrote:
I am 100% behind Gus and I know this is a bit controversial but do we have to play Vincente until he is match fit for the whole 90 minutes ? I think last night by the sounds of things that we were poor because Gus thought he had to play Vincente which changed our whole game plan. By leaving CMS and WB on the bench to accomodate Vincente it did not work and I feel Vincente should be playing just in the hole behind CMS with WB out wide. The problem with that I suppose is that Vincente does not defend much so we have more pressure on LB and whoever is along side him which makes us more vulnerable at the back so this is a dilema for Gus. If you add Ulloa to the issue its a real problem. Thoughts from you guys please,
Bushell, that sums it up, it's down to the balance of the side. What you gain with one you lose with another but Gus had to give Vicente a run out.

Obviously Gus is concerned about our strength in defense and this compromises the way we set up. El Abd does a great job and gives 100%, however we need someone bigger, stronger and faster.

El Abd is a great reliable 2nd choice CB so Gus has to select the squad with this in mind.

At least the club recognise this and are working on strengthening this position up.
[quote][p][bold]Bushell[/bold] wrote: I am 100% behind Gus and I know this is a bit controversial but do we have to play Vincente until he is match fit for the whole 90 minutes ? I think last night by the sounds of things that we were poor because Gus thought he had to play Vincente which changed our whole game plan. By leaving CMS and WB on the bench to accomodate Vincente it did not work and I feel Vincente should be playing just in the hole behind CMS with WB out wide. The problem with that I suppose is that Vincente does not defend much so we have more pressure on LB and whoever is along side him which makes us more vulnerable at the back so this is a dilema for Gus. If you add Ulloa to the issue its a real problem. Thoughts from you guys please,[/p][/quote]Bushell, that sums it up, it's down to the balance of the side. What you gain with one you lose with another but Gus had to give Vicente a run out. Obviously Gus is concerned about our strength in defense and this compromises the way we set up. El Abd does a great job and gives 100%, however we need someone bigger, stronger and faster. El Abd is a great reliable 2nd choice CB so Gus has to select the squad with this in mind. At least the club recognise this and are working on strengthening this position up. Hovite
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11:05am Wed 23 Jan 13

Seagulls Over Surrey (SOS) says...

Neither am I remotely happy with El-Abd. I have always said that his off-the-ball antics, especially in set-piece situations, and his clumsy bundling of opponents are going to cost us either a red card or a penalty (or both). It's a consistent feature of his game; I am a huge admirer of Adam's and rate him amongst our best and most reliable of our stalwarts but I do wish he'd cut it out! There's a difference between being aggressive and being assertive - this time, he was caught out and it potentially cost us the points.
Neither am I remotely happy with El-Abd. I have always said that his off-the-ball antics, especially in set-piece situations, and his clumsy bundling of opponents are going to cost us either a red card or a penalty (or both). It's a consistent feature of his game; I am a huge admirer of Adam's and rate him amongst our best and most reliable of our stalwarts but I do wish he'd cut it out! There's a difference between being aggressive and being assertive - this time, he was caught out and it potentially cost us the points. Seagulls Over Surrey (SOS)
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11:07am Wed 23 Jan 13

Jonathan Mouette says...

Just to change the subject for 2 secs. Try this link :
http://www.givemefoo
tball.com/325822-why
-brighton-hove-albio
n-are-on-the-up

Brings a tear to the eye! Love the 'Poyetry in motion' bit !!! Just hope he gets the selection right on Saturday... Fingers crossed.
Just to change the subject for 2 secs. Try this link : http://www.givemefoo tball.com/325822-why -brighton-hove-albio n-are-on-the-up Brings a tear to the eye! Love the 'Poyetry in motion' bit !!! Just hope he gets the selection right on Saturday... Fingers crossed. Jonathan Mouette
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11:10am Wed 23 Jan 13

fratsomrover says...

At least Gus admitted he got his team selection wrong. That's a start and him being honest. I struggle to see why he wanted to play Vicente up front. He said he tried it pre season and it worked, but he also tried it v Swindon and we lost, so dont see how he thought it worked. Vicente is class, but is not a centre forward. Neither is Barnes. It must have been the slowest front line ever last night. I hope Vicente plays a deeper role on Saturday and that Ulloah gets a start up front along with Buckley. Surely no place for Barnes this weekend. Buckley is crying out to be in a team with Vicente's vision. He needs a provider of perfectly timed passes to exploit his pace to the full and I cant wait to see them on the pitch together with a big strong centre forward at the end of the move. Glad to see so many posters reiterating what we see as El Abd's weakness. Hope he learns to keep his hands to himself on Saturday, though how he'll cope with a lively Walcott remains to be seen.
Still roll-on The Gunners, at least morale will be higher now than it would have been if we'd lost last night.
At least Gus admitted he got his team selection wrong. That's a start and him being honest. I struggle to see why he wanted to play Vicente up front. He said he tried it pre season and it worked, but he also tried it v Swindon and we lost, so dont see how he thought it worked. Vicente is class, but is not a centre forward. Neither is Barnes. It must have been the slowest front line ever last night. I hope Vicente plays a deeper role on Saturday and that Ulloah gets a start up front along with Buckley. Surely no place for Barnes this weekend. Buckley is crying out to be in a team with Vicente's vision. He needs a provider of perfectly timed passes to exploit his pace to the full and I cant wait to see them on the pitch together with a big strong centre forward at the end of the move. Glad to see so many posters reiterating what we see as El Abd's weakness. Hope he learns to keep his hands to himself on Saturday, though how he'll cope with a lively Walcott remains to be seen. Still roll-on The Gunners, at least morale will be higher now than it would have been if we'd lost last night. fratsomrover
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11:13am Wed 23 Jan 13

Tony the tiger eastbourne says...

Bushell wrote:
I am 100% behind Gus and I know this is a bit controversial but do we have to play Vincente until he is match fit for the whole 90 minutes ? I think last night by the sounds of things that we were poor because Gus thought he had to play Vincente which changed our whole game plan. By leaving CMS and WB on the bench to accomodate Vincente it did not work and I feel Vincente should be playing just in the hole behind CMS with WB out wide. The problem with that I suppose is that Vincente does not defend much so we have more pressure on LB and whoever is along side him which makes us more vulnerable at the back so this is a dilema for Gus. If you add Ulloa to the issue its a real problem. Thoughts from you guys please,
Your talking rubbish Bushnell!!
[quote][p][bold]Bushell[/bold] wrote: I am 100% behind Gus and I know this is a bit controversial but do we have to play Vincente until he is match fit for the whole 90 minutes ? I think last night by the sounds of things that we were poor because Gus thought he had to play Vincente which changed our whole game plan. By leaving CMS and WB on the bench to accomodate Vincente it did not work and I feel Vincente should be playing just in the hole behind CMS with WB out wide. The problem with that I suppose is that Vincente does not defend much so we have more pressure on LB and whoever is along side him which makes us more vulnerable at the back so this is a dilema for Gus. If you add Ulloa to the issue its a real problem. Thoughts from you guys please,[/p][/quote]Your talking rubbish Bushnell!! Tony the tiger eastbourne
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11:13am Wed 23 Jan 13

Tony the tiger eastbourne says...

Bushell wrote:
I am 100% behind Gus and I know this is a bit controversial but do we have to play Vincente until he is match fit for the whole 90 minutes ? I think last night by the sounds of things that we were poor because Gus thought he had to play Vincente which changed our whole game plan. By leaving CMS and WB on the bench to accomodate Vincente it did not work and I feel Vincente should be playing just in the hole behind CMS with WB out wide. The problem with that I suppose is that Vincente does not defend much so we have more pressure on LB and whoever is along side him which makes us more vulnerable at the back so this is a dilema for Gus. If you add Ulloa to the issue its a real problem. Thoughts from you guys please,
Your talking rubbish Bushnell!!
[quote][p][bold]Bushell[/bold] wrote: I am 100% behind Gus and I know this is a bit controversial but do we have to play Vincente until he is match fit for the whole 90 minutes ? I think last night by the sounds of things that we were poor because Gus thought he had to play Vincente which changed our whole game plan. By leaving CMS and WB on the bench to accomodate Vincente it did not work and I feel Vincente should be playing just in the hole behind CMS with WB out wide. The problem with that I suppose is that Vincente does not defend much so we have more pressure on LB and whoever is along side him which makes us more vulnerable at the back so this is a dilema for Gus. If you add Ulloa to the issue its a real problem. Thoughts from you guys please,[/p][/quote]Your talking rubbish Bushnell!! Tony the tiger eastbourne
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11:15am Wed 23 Jan 13

Tony the tiger eastbourne says...

Sorry Bushnell!!
Sorry Bushnell!! Tony the tiger eastbourne
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11:18am Wed 23 Jan 13

Tony the tiger eastbourne says...

Bloody predicted text, its Bushell. No seriously as I know Bushell well some good valued points
Bloody predicted text, its Bushell. No seriously as I know Bushell well some good valued points Tony the tiger eastbourne
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11:37am Wed 23 Jan 13

Old Scrote of the Amex says...

Jonathan Mouette wrote:
Old Scrote of the Amex wrote:
Worth mentioning that Blackburn are still stuffed with players who have played a hell of a lot of games in the Premier League and we have not. Yes, they have (under two other managers) under-performed this season, but to expect us to cake-walk the league(!) is surely wholly unreasonable?
Thanks PP for the comprehensive report and Scrote, No, it's not worth mentioning and No, it's not wholly unreasonable. Funny that the Rover's man of the match was Colin Kazim Richards... talk about rubbing salt in sore wounds... (10k and a bottle of Coke if I remember rightly, which I rarely do of course.
It's not worth mentioning that they have many ex-Premier players? You don't think it's relevant? Unbelievable!!! And so you GENUINELY think we should be strolling to be champions with a far cheaper team than many, many other teams? You are truly living in cloud cuckoo land.There's no helping you!

Why not try and justify your opinion that we are, effectively, 25 points below where YOU think we should be?
[quote][p][bold]Jonathan Mouette[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Old Scrote of the Amex[/bold] wrote: Worth mentioning that Blackburn are still stuffed with players who have played a hell of a lot of games in the Premier League and we have not. Yes, they have (under two other managers) under-performed this season, but to expect us to cake-walk the league(!) is surely wholly unreasonable?[/p][/quote]Thanks PP for the comprehensive report and Scrote, No, it's not worth mentioning and No, it's not wholly unreasonable. Funny that the Rover's man of the match was Colin Kazim Richards... talk about rubbing salt in sore wounds... (10k and a bottle of Coke if I remember rightly, which I rarely do of course.[/p][/quote]It's not worth mentioning that they have many ex-Premier players? You don't think it's relevant? Unbelievable!!! And so you GENUINELY think we should be strolling to be champions with a far cheaper team than many, many other teams? You are truly living in cloud cuckoo land.There's no helping you! Why not try and justify your opinion that we are, effectively, 25 points below where YOU think we should be? Old Scrote of the Amex
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12:01pm Wed 23 Jan 13

Eddy B says...

Some interesting comms as ever. I for one was really looking forward to having Vicente and Orlandi together at last. Unfortunately I got the sense we (or they being the more creative touch players in our team) were muscled out by some strong arm tactics but the great thing is we hung in there and escaped with a draw unlike an example last season where we were rolled over 6 nil at West Ham.

Vicente does seem to link with Buckley well so would be good to fit them both in. Would agree worth throwing Ulloa straight in for a guaranteed run of starts (let's hope he gets off to a good start). I do admire CMS's work rate but he seems to rarely touch the ball, and Barnes is probably going to find himself sacrificed a bit more to accommodate.
Some interesting comms as ever. I for one was really looking forward to having Vicente and Orlandi together at last. Unfortunately I got the sense we (or they being the more creative touch players in our team) were muscled out by some strong arm tactics but the great thing is we hung in there and escaped with a draw unlike an example last season where we were rolled over 6 nil at West Ham. Vicente does seem to link with Buckley well so would be good to fit them both in. Would agree worth throwing Ulloa straight in for a guaranteed run of starts (let's hope he gets off to a good start). I do admire CMS's work rate but he seems to rarely touch the ball, and Barnes is probably going to find himself sacrificed a bit more to accommodate. Eddy B
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12:06pm Wed 23 Jan 13

Clean Sheet says...

franckiep en france wrote:
Brighton boss Gus Poyet says he would like to manage Arsenal or Chelsea.
So would I, if only for the salary, but it is a bit unlikely.
[quote][p][bold]franckiep en france[/bold] wrote: Brighton boss Gus Poyet says he would like to manage Arsenal or Chelsea.[/p][/quote]So would I, if only for the salary, but it is a bit unlikely. Clean Sheet
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12:06pm Wed 23 Jan 13

alacante says...

ive said it for a long time now and ill keep saying it get rid of al-ab and greer they cause to much trouble at the back and as seen in this game are to slow for the faster top teams
ive said it for a long time now and ill keep saying it get rid of al-ab and greer they cause to much trouble at the back and as seen in this game are to slow for the faster top teams alacante
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12:11pm Wed 23 Jan 13

dave from bexill says...

Yorkieseagull wrote:
franckiep en france wrote:
Brighton boss Gus Poyet says he would like to manage Arsenal or Chelsea.
Yes and I would like to spend a night with Mrs Sarkozy but I can't see that happening anytime soon either.
You never know
[quote][p][bold]Yorkieseagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]franckiep en france[/bold] wrote: Brighton boss Gus Poyet says he would like to manage Arsenal or Chelsea.[/p][/quote]Yes and I would like to spend a night with Mrs Sarkozy but I can't see that happening anytime soon either.[/p][/quote]You never know dave from bexill
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12:27pm Wed 23 Jan 13

Old Ale Man says...

They'll need some help from the Almighty agianst the Mighty Arsenal come Saturday.
My forecast Albion 0 Arsenal 5
They'll need some help from the Almighty agianst the Mighty Arsenal come Saturday. My forecast Albion 0 Arsenal 5 Old Ale Man
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12:36pm Wed 23 Jan 13

Gee Jay says...

Listening to the commentary last evening, it sounded as though Albion played a disjointed game, where nothing really worked. Blackburn, it seemed, had been told to keep going in 'heavy' on Liam Bridcut in particular.
Adam ElAbd gifted them a penalty, and as Warren Aspinal commented, referees do talk to each other and word of Adam's 'wrestling' tactics have become something that the match officials will be looking out for.
Adam has many good aspects to his game, but he does himself or the team no favours by some of his antics.
Both sides were lucky to get a penalty, otherwise it should have been Nil Nil.
The match must have been grim to watch on a cold night, let's hope for a better level of entertainment on Saturday, and a full and very loud Amex stadium .

UTA
Listening to the commentary last evening, it sounded as though Albion played a disjointed game, where nothing really worked. Blackburn, it seemed, had been told to keep going in 'heavy' on Liam Bridcut in particular. Adam ElAbd gifted them a penalty, and as Warren Aspinal commented, referees do talk to each other and word of Adam's 'wrestling' tactics have become something that the match officials will be looking out for. Adam has many good aspects to his game, but he does himself or the team no favours by some of his antics. Both sides were lucky to get a penalty, otherwise it should have been Nil Nil. The match must have been grim to watch on a cold night, let's hope for a better level of entertainment on Saturday, and a full and very loud Amex stadium . UTA Gee Jay
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12:42pm Wed 23 Jan 13

Hovite says...

Old Ale Man wrote:
They'll need some help from the Almighty agianst the Mighty Arsenal come Saturday.
My forecast Albion 0 Arsenal 5
Oh yeah we will get smashed in this.

I'm looking forward to the El Abd Walcott battle, though if the dual was about patting heads and tweaking nipples, El Abd would win this one outright.
[quote][p][bold]Old Ale Man[/bold] wrote: They'll need some help from the Almighty agianst the Mighty Arsenal come Saturday. My forecast Albion 0 Arsenal 5[/p][/quote]Oh yeah we will get smashed in this. I'm looking forward to the El Abd Walcott battle, though if the dual was about patting heads and tweaking nipples, El Abd would win this one outright. Hovite
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1:09pm Wed 23 Jan 13

ballantrrae says...

Thanks to PittaPatta for his insightful match summary.
In spite of not playing well, clearly down in the main to Poyet's admitted wrong team selection and tactics, there seems to have been some positives.
1) We had 53% possession.
2) Kuszczak bounced back from his costly mistake at Birmingham with 4 excellent saves and the best performance (according to the Argus) by an Albion player.
3) Hoskins showed why he should be given more game time by having the first shot of any Albion player on target - one of only two all match.
4) El-Arb's limitations, hard working and committed player that he is, were shown up again (remember his lack of pace against Watford). One can see why Poyet was pursuing van Dijk. Any news on that front ? It might be strange to quote this as a positive but it helps to have weaknesses exposed.
Changing the subject I am disappointed to see from the above report that we are still waiting on Ulloa's International clearance. One wonders sometimes what exactly the FA actually does.
Judging from the match reports having Ulloa's presence available last night in attack might have helped. Apart from anything else it could have resulted in Poyet employing different tactics.
The prospect of Ulloa leading the attack with Vicente (if he maintains fitness) playing in the hole just behind him is an exciting one particulary if Buckley's pace is available on the wing. Perhaps we might just get a taste of that against Arsenal. Roll on Saturday.
Any new rumours regarding new players ? I haven't seen anything new about the Dutch lad mentioned above.
Incidently has anybody heard what has transpired with the young Plymouth GK who was/is on trial ?
Thanks to PittaPatta for his insightful match summary. In spite of not playing well, clearly down in the main to Poyet's admitted wrong team selection and tactics, there seems to have been some positives. 1) We had 53% possession. 2) Kuszczak bounced back from his costly mistake at Birmingham with 4 excellent saves and the best performance (according to the Argus) by an Albion player. 3) Hoskins showed why he should be given more game time by having the first shot of any Albion player on target - one of only two all match. 4) El-Arb's limitations, hard working and committed player that he is, were shown up again (remember his lack of pace against Watford). One can see why Poyet was pursuing van Dijk. Any news on that front ? It might be strange to quote this as a positive but it helps to have weaknesses exposed. Changing the subject I am disappointed to see from the above report that we are still waiting on Ulloa's International clearance. One wonders sometimes what exactly the FA actually does. Judging from the match reports having Ulloa's presence available last night in attack might have helped. Apart from anything else it could have resulted in Poyet employing different tactics. The prospect of Ulloa leading the attack with Vicente (if he maintains fitness) playing in the hole just behind him is an exciting one particulary if Buckley's pace is available on the wing. Perhaps we might just get a taste of that against Arsenal. Roll on Saturday. Any new rumours regarding new players ? I haven't seen anything new about the Dutch lad mentioned above. Incidently has anybody heard what has transpired with the young Plymouth GK who was/is on trial ? ballantrrae
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1:24pm Wed 23 Jan 13

Bushell says...

Alacante : El-Abd and Greer have been excellent for us this season and our defensive record speaks for itself so I think your comment is out of order. Yes, I think we will need to sign new defenders for the Premier League when we get there but this season they been excellent.
I do agree that possibly Barnes will be sacrificed more to allow Vincente to play but some of you doubters about Barnes will see the difference when Vincente plays and does not defend as well as Barnes does. At the moment all 11 defend when we do not have the ball but that is not one of Vincente's strengths.
Alacante : El-Abd and Greer have been excellent for us this season and our defensive record speaks for itself so I think your comment is out of order. Yes, I think we will need to sign new defenders for the Premier League when we get there but this season they been excellent. I do agree that possibly Barnes will be sacrificed more to allow Vincente to play but some of you doubters about Barnes will see the difference when Vincente plays and does not defend as well as Barnes does. At the moment all 11 defend when we do not have the ball but that is not one of Vincente's strengths. Bushell
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1:30pm Wed 23 Jan 13

tinker111 says...

PittaPatta wrote:
I simply cannot believe what I witnessed last night. My beloved Albion, with enough talent and skill to cakewalk this league at a canter, making a very ham-fisted attempt at closing down a match and winning on the break.
Last night we were simply caught in the unenviable position of providing enough quality to take the three points necessary, while having one eye on a forthcoming glamour cup tie, and all that is entailed with that.
In short, the whole plot almost backfired miserably. This was especially so after enjoying the better share of a leaden footed first half; a half where the magic of Vicente, together with the rising reputation of Orlandi, promised so much, but delivered very little. This was despite the fact that Blackburn appeared as concerned as us regarding Saturday's challenge, offering little impetus for a home side needing to be positive under their third manager of the campaign.
Having held my breath on numerous occasions where Adam El-Abd is concerned, it was hardly surprising to see his outrageous close marking reactions giving away a penalty that was hardly deserved on the night, but which could have made the difference. When will Gus impress on the player, that overt contact in the box, together with obvious and excessive match marking, will lead to a good deal more trouble in future, as officials clamp down on this kind of behaviour.
The resulting second period was once again so typical of the Albion. We can never seem to play both halves in the same vain, and this is so frustrating. Last night's slow early progress had been rendered completely useless following the penalty, and our shell shocked team were never quite sure how to play after that. Substituting arguably the best players did not help the situation, although it was hardly likely that Vicente would last the whole game anyway. Once again, our final eleven should have had enough to take the game to the home side, but were let down by a formation that limited any offensive movements, when, with only a little coaching quality, things could have been so different.
On the night, the only satisfaction was to reverse a trend that we were beginning to fall foul of ourselves, namely the last gasp goal. Thank goodness for David Lopez!
VER@B TROTTS WHAT YOU MEAN IS GUS GOT IT WRONG ARE YOU AN MP ????
[quote][p][bold]PittaPatta[/bold] wrote: I simply cannot believe what I witnessed last night. My beloved Albion, with enough talent and skill to cakewalk this league at a canter, making a very ham-fisted attempt at closing down a match and winning on the break. Last night we were simply caught in the unenviable position of providing enough quality to take the three points necessary, while having one eye on a forthcoming glamour cup tie, and all that is entailed with that. In short, the whole plot almost backfired miserably. This was especially so after enjoying the better share of a leaden footed first half; a half where the magic of Vicente, together with the rising reputation of Orlandi, promised so much, but delivered very little. This was despite the fact that Blackburn appeared as concerned as us regarding Saturday's challenge, offering little impetus for a home side needing to be positive under their third manager of the campaign. Having held my breath on numerous occasions where Adam El-Abd is concerned, it was hardly surprising to see his outrageous close marking reactions giving away a penalty that was hardly deserved on the night, but which could have made the difference. When will Gus impress on the player, that overt contact in the box, together with obvious and excessive match marking, will lead to a good deal more trouble in future, as officials clamp down on this kind of behaviour. The resulting second period was once again so typical of the Albion. We can never seem to play both halves in the same vain, and this is so frustrating. Last night's slow early progress had been rendered completely useless following the penalty, and our shell shocked team were never quite sure how to play after that. Substituting arguably the best players did not help the situation, although it was hardly likely that Vicente would last the whole game anyway. Once again, our final eleven should have had enough to take the game to the home side, but were let down by a formation that limited any offensive movements, when, with only a little coaching quality, things could have been so different. On the night, the only satisfaction was to reverse a trend that we were beginning to fall foul of ourselves, namely the last gasp goal. Thank goodness for David Lopez![/p][/quote]VER@B TROTTS WHAT YOU MEAN IS GUS GOT IT WRONG ARE YOU AN MP ???? tinker111
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1:38pm Wed 23 Jan 13

fratsomrover says...

Bushell wrote:
Alacante : El-Abd and Greer have been excellent for us this season and our defensive record speaks for itself so I think your comment is out of order. Yes, I think we will need to sign new defenders for the Premier League when we get there but this season they been excellent.
I do agree that possibly Barnes will be sacrificed more to allow Vincente to play but some of you doubters about Barnes will see the difference when Vincente plays and does not defend as well as Barnes does. At the moment all 11 defend when we do not have the ball but that is not one of Vincente's strengths.
What is this pre-occupation folk have with having to defend with 11 players. To win games you have to score goals. Are you seriously suggesting Barnes should play instead of Vicente ? We need an effective centre forward, pacy winger and creative midfielders. So let's play Ulloah, Buckley and Vicente. I reckon Ballantrrae and I have got it sussed. We both want to see more creativity and threat on the oppositions penalty area. Possession in your own half is never going to win matches. We should be playing our football in our opponents half, not our own.
[quote][p][bold]Bushell[/bold] wrote: Alacante : El-Abd and Greer have been excellent for us this season and our defensive record speaks for itself so I think your comment is out of order. Yes, I think we will need to sign new defenders for the Premier League when we get there but this season they been excellent. I do agree that possibly Barnes will be sacrificed more to allow Vincente to play but some of you doubters about Barnes will see the difference when Vincente plays and does not defend as well as Barnes does. At the moment all 11 defend when we do not have the ball but that is not one of Vincente's strengths.[/p][/quote]What is this pre-occupation folk have with having to defend with 11 players. To win games you have to score goals. Are you seriously suggesting Barnes should play instead of Vicente ? We need an effective centre forward, pacy winger and creative midfielders. So let's play Ulloah, Buckley and Vicente. I reckon Ballantrrae and I have got it sussed. We both want to see more creativity and threat on the oppositions penalty area. Possession in your own half is never going to win matches. We should be playing our football in our opponents half, not our own. fratsomrover
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1:40pm Wed 23 Jan 13

VegasSeagull says...

When I saw the line up yesterday I liked it, I thought it had good possibilities, well it didn't work.

The good thing is Gus was ready willing and able to try this tactic. Had it worked, had we picked up a couple of goals in the first 45 we would be singing his praises, but it didn't work.

If we ever get the paper work completed for Ulloa we will see another new line up, new tactics, let's hope that line up and tactics work better.

On the plus side, Buckley, CMS, Lua Lua and Hoskins are fit an well for the Arsenal game. Vicente came through his first start for what seems like an age. TK bounced back nicely. Who knows we might even have Bruno on the bench.

I am glad that Gus accepted responsibility for the lack of performance and didn't blame the players.
When I saw the line up yesterday I liked it, I thought it had good possibilities, well it didn't work. The good thing is Gus was ready willing and able to try this tactic. Had it worked, had we picked up a couple of goals in the first 45 we would be singing his praises, but it didn't work. If we ever get the paper work completed for Ulloa we will see another new line up, new tactics, let's hope that line up and tactics work better. On the plus side, Buckley, CMS, Lua Lua and Hoskins are fit an well for the Arsenal game. Vicente came through his first start for what seems like an age. TK bounced back nicely. Who knows we might even have Bruno on the bench. I am glad that Gus accepted responsibility for the lack of performance and didn't blame the players. VegasSeagull
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1:50pm Wed 23 Jan 13

VegasSeagull says...

Sky Sports are reporting, in the paper talk section, that Norwich are lining up a 3 million bid for Bridcutt.

My answer to that would be, we don't want to sell and even if we did, double your offer.,
Sky Sports are reporting, in the paper talk section, that Norwich are lining up a 3 million bid for Bridcutt. My answer to that would be, we don't want to sell and even if we did, double your offer., VegasSeagull
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1:53pm Wed 23 Jan 13

fairweathersupporter says...

Lucky away point, still on the cusp, still in with more than a chance…

Two things… Adam. I really think some of the criticism on here is a little far fetched. His overall game is good and forms one of the meanest partnerships in the division (with assistance from the ever brilliant Bridcutt). I agree he is not dominant in all areas but who is? He DOES need to address some of the niggling and other antics which were also evident last season, particularly at corners. But the reason we are not better off points wise is not at the door of the defence and to (unconstructively) criticise who is actually (overall) playing well is a little churlish. Our inability to finish games off and invite late pressure has been our Achilles heel thus far. He is a destructive player and his shortcomings are far outweighed by his attitude and overall performance. The defence will need addressing with age, ambition and finances all playing their part. But one innocuous (albeit possibly unnecessary) penalty should not be the catalyst for whole scale change or criticism. The Watford goal where he was skinned is countered by many last ditch and covering tackles which go unmentioned. If we were shipping goals left, right and particularly centre, then fair enough. And whoever suggested that Dunk would (or should)| be in the side instead of Adam, if it were not for his current distractions, should perhaps look at Mr Dunk's sending off against Palarse (and a few other games last season…), if this critical 'logic' is to be applied.
Secondly; have I missed something? This constant call for Hoskins… This talk of his technical ability in the same breath as Buckley and Vicente??? He has not had that much opportunity but he has hardly set the Amex alight during his cameo's and he was as guilty of some glaring misses (as much as CMS or Barnes I grant you). His performance against Newcastle? He scored a goal. A good goal but hardly goal of the season.CMS is blowing hot and cold but what evidence is there that Hoskins is any better? His attitude is supposedly in question and I haven't seen anything in his Albion career thus far to justify the faith people seem to invest in him. I can only suppose that I have missed this great potential and ability in the few games I have missed (away games). He looked the dog's in the game against us a few seasons ago but that was at a lower level and he has had opportunities whilst with us and Sheff Utd (despite injury etc). So why do people rate him so highly? I hope that this 'debate' will be redundant on the introduction of a certain Argentinean.
UTA.
Lucky away point, still on the cusp, still in with more than a chance… Two things… Adam. I really think some of the criticism on here is a little far fetched. His overall game is good and forms one of the meanest partnerships in the division (with assistance from the ever brilliant Bridcutt). I agree he is not dominant in all areas but who is? He DOES need to address some of the niggling and other antics which were also evident last season, particularly at corners. But the reason we are not better off points wise is not at the door of the defence and to (unconstructively) criticise who is actually (overall) playing well is a little churlish. Our inability to finish games off and invite late pressure has been our Achilles heel thus far. He is a destructive player and his shortcomings are far outweighed by his attitude and overall performance. The defence will need addressing with age, ambition and finances all playing their part. But one innocuous (albeit possibly unnecessary) penalty should not be the catalyst for whole scale change or criticism. The Watford goal where he was skinned is countered by many last ditch and covering tackles which go unmentioned. If we were shipping goals left, right and particularly centre, then fair enough. And whoever suggested that Dunk would (or should)| be in the side instead of Adam, if it were not for his current distractions, should perhaps look at Mr Dunk's sending off against Palarse (and a few other games last season…), if this critical 'logic' is to be applied. Secondly; have I missed something? This constant call for Hoskins… This talk of his technical ability in the same breath as Buckley and Vicente??? He has not had that much opportunity but he has hardly set the Amex alight during his cameo's and he was as guilty of some glaring misses (as much as CMS or Barnes I grant you). His performance against Newcastle? He scored a goal. A good goal but hardly goal of the season.CMS is blowing hot and cold but what evidence is there that Hoskins is any better? His attitude is supposedly in question and I haven't seen anything in his Albion career thus far to justify the faith people seem to invest in him. I can only suppose that I have missed this great potential and ability in the few games I have missed (away games). He looked the dog's in the game against us a few seasons ago but that was at a lower level and he has had opportunities whilst with us and Sheff Utd (despite injury etc). So why do people rate him so highly? I hope that this 'debate' will be redundant on the introduction of a certain Argentinean. UTA. fairweathersupporter
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1:56pm Wed 23 Jan 13

mr punch says...

franckiep en france wrote:
Brighton boss Gus Poyet says he would like to manage Arsenal or Chelsea.
Yes. He did say this, but it was a long time ago and the Star just dug it up to fill space. To be fair Arsenal would be a good prospect for a manager but Chelsea???? Get outta here! Who would want that on their CV?
Gus will stay till the end of the season and hopefully mastermind our promotion, then we'll see what happens.
[quote][p][bold]franckiep en france[/bold] wrote: Brighton boss Gus Poyet says he would like to manage Arsenal or Chelsea.[/p][/quote]Yes. He did say this, but it was a long time ago and the Star just dug it up to fill space. To be fair Arsenal would be a good prospect for a manager but Chelsea???? Get outta here! Who would want that on their CV? Gus will stay till the end of the season and hopefully mastermind our promotion, then we'll see what happens. mr punch
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2:15pm Wed 23 Jan 13

Hovite says...

I agree ballantrrae, it helps to have weaknesses exposed.

We have to remember it was a;aso a freezing cold gloomy night away at Blackburn, so it's a good point. We play them again in three weeks so it's a game of 4 halfs and hopefully we take 4 points off them.
I agree ballantrrae, it helps to have weaknesses exposed. We have to remember it was a;aso a freezing cold gloomy night away at Blackburn, so it's a good point. We play them again in three weeks so it's a game of 4 halfs and hopefully we take 4 points off them. Hovite
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2:28pm Wed 23 Jan 13

lonegull says...

Why so much criticism of El-Ab?
We might not like some of his antics but that's part of his game. Every team needs someone like him that the opposition don't like playing against. All centre backs give away penalties and get the odd red card but how many penalties and red cards has he received recently? No he's not perfect he could do with been 6inches taller and having an extra yard of pace but then if he had that he'd be playing in the premiership for someone else. How many time do we see Buckley leaving defenders for dead I suppose they should all be replaced as well.
Sorry rant over.
Why so much criticism of El-Ab? We might not like some of his antics but that's part of his game. Every team needs someone like him that the opposition don't like playing against. All centre backs give away penalties and get the odd red card but how many penalties and red cards has he received recently? No he's not perfect he could do with been 6inches taller and having an extra yard of pace but then if he had that he'd be playing in the premiership for someone else. How many time do we see Buckley leaving defenders for dead I suppose they should all be replaced as well. Sorry rant over. lonegull
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2:35pm Wed 23 Jan 13

RedKen1 says...

Seeing as Warren Aspinall works for the club, you'd think he could get players name right on the radio? He persists with calling them El-Habd and Mackhail-Smith. Can't wait to hear how he pronounces Ulloa.
Seeing as Warren Aspinall works for the club, you'd think he could get players name right on the radio? He persists with calling them El-Habd and Mackhail-Smith. Can't wait to hear how he pronounces Ulloa. RedKen1
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2:38pm Wed 23 Jan 13

ballantrrae says...

fairweathersupporter wrote:
Lucky away point, still on the cusp, still in with more than a chance…

Two things… Adam. I really think some of the criticism on here is a little far fetched. His overall game is good and forms one of the meanest partnerships in the division (with assistance from the ever brilliant Bridcutt). I agree he is not dominant in all areas but who is? He DOES need to address some of the niggling and other antics which were also evident last season, particularly at corners. But the reason we are not better off points wise is not at the door of the defence and to (unconstructively) criticise who is actually (overall) playing well is a little churlish. Our inability to finish games off and invite late pressure has been our Achilles heel thus far. He is a destructive player and his shortcomings are far outweighed by his attitude and overall performance. The defence will need addressing with age, ambition and finances all playing their part. But one innocuous (albeit possibly unnecessary) penalty should not be the catalyst for whole scale change or criticism. The Watford goal where he was skinned is countered by many last ditch and covering tackles which go unmentioned. If we were shipping goals left, right and particularly centre, then fair enough. And whoever suggested that Dunk would (or should)| be in the side instead of Adam, if it were not for his current distractions, should perhaps look at Mr Dunk's sending off against Palarse (and a few other games last season…), if this critical 'logic' is to be applied.
Secondly; have I missed something? This constant call for Hoskins… This talk of his technical ability in the same breath as Buckley and Vicente??? He has not had that much opportunity but he has hardly set the Amex alight during his cameo's and he was as guilty of some glaring misses (as much as CMS or Barnes I grant you). His performance against Newcastle? He scored a goal. A good goal but hardly goal of the season.CMS is blowing hot and cold but what evidence is there that Hoskins is any better? His attitude is supposedly in question and I haven't seen anything in his Albion career thus far to justify the faith people seem to invest in him. I can only suppose that I have missed this great potential and ability in the few games I have missed (away games). He looked the dog's in the game against us a few seasons ago but that was at a lower level and he has had opportunities whilst with us and Sheff Utd (despite injury etc). So why do people rate him so highly? I hope that this 'debate' will be redundant on the introduction of a certain Argentinean.
UTA.
Points taken fairweathersupporter
.
Re El-Arb I think most posters appreciate his good points but realise what his limitations are.
He has a good understanding with his fellow defenders and knows what Poyet wants. Most of all as you point out the fans on this site want him to cut out all the pushing and shoving in our penalty box since it is potentially inviting disaster.
On the Hoskins front I for one would like him to have more game time. I am not saying that he should start but that if he is going to come off the bench that he does so with 18 to 20 minutes to go as last night not 8 minutes as was the case against Birmingham.
I know he missed some chances some weeks back but that was when he had just returned from a lengthy injury and was not 'match sharp'. At least he was getting into the positions to miss chances. Last night he had a shot on target unlike anybody else other than David with the penalty.
I am looking forward to the Arsenal game which should be interesting and I hope entertaining. Hopefully the Albion will give a good account of themselves. Bradford might be a good inspiration.
[quote][p][bold]fairweathersupporter[/bold] wrote: Lucky away point, still on the cusp, still in with more than a chance… Two things… Adam. I really think some of the criticism on here is a little far fetched. His overall game is good and forms one of the meanest partnerships in the division (with assistance from the ever brilliant Bridcutt). I agree he is not dominant in all areas but who is? He DOES need to address some of the niggling and other antics which were also evident last season, particularly at corners. But the reason we are not better off points wise is not at the door of the defence and to (unconstructively) criticise who is actually (overall) playing well is a little churlish. Our inability to finish games off and invite late pressure has been our Achilles heel thus far. He is a destructive player and his shortcomings are far outweighed by his attitude and overall performance. The defence will need addressing with age, ambition and finances all playing their part. But one innocuous (albeit possibly unnecessary) penalty should not be the catalyst for whole scale change or criticism. The Watford goal where he was skinned is countered by many last ditch and covering tackles which go unmentioned. If we were shipping goals left, right and particularly centre, then fair enough. And whoever suggested that Dunk would (or should)| be in the side instead of Adam, if it were not for his current distractions, should perhaps look at Mr Dunk's sending off against Palarse (and a few other games last season…), if this critical 'logic' is to be applied. Secondly; have I missed something? This constant call for Hoskins… This talk of his technical ability in the same breath as Buckley and Vicente??? He has not had that much opportunity but he has hardly set the Amex alight during his cameo's and he was as guilty of some glaring misses (as much as CMS or Barnes I grant you). His performance against Newcastle? He scored a goal. A good goal but hardly goal of the season.CMS is blowing hot and cold but what evidence is there that Hoskins is any better? His attitude is supposedly in question and I haven't seen anything in his Albion career thus far to justify the faith people seem to invest in him. I can only suppose that I have missed this great potential and ability in the few games I have missed (away games). He looked the dog's in the game against us a few seasons ago but that was at a lower level and he has had opportunities whilst with us and Sheff Utd (despite injury etc). So why do people rate him so highly? I hope that this 'debate' will be redundant on the introduction of a certain Argentinean. UTA.[/p][/quote]Points taken fairweathersupporter . Re El-Arb I think most posters appreciate his good points but realise what his limitations are. He has a good understanding with his fellow defenders and knows what Poyet wants. Most of all as you point out the fans on this site want him to cut out all the pushing and shoving in our penalty box since it is potentially inviting disaster. On the Hoskins front I for one would like him to have more game time. I am not saying that he should start but that if he is going to come off the bench that he does so with 18 to 20 minutes to go as last night not 8 minutes as was the case against Birmingham. I know he missed some chances some weeks back but that was when he had just returned from a lengthy injury and was not 'match sharp'. At least he was getting into the positions to miss chances. Last night he had a shot on target unlike anybody else other than David with the penalty. I am looking forward to the Arsenal game which should be interesting and I hope entertaining. Hopefully the Albion will give a good account of themselves. Bradford might be a good inspiration. ballantrrae
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2:41pm Wed 23 Jan 13

VegasSeagull says...

This might sound crazy but that's ok.

Had not Vicente been fit we would have lined up as usual against Blackburn. Had not Vicente suffered his injury early in the season we would have lined up differently for most of the games we have played.

You don't have a player of his quality and not use him. Poyet went back to pre-season, he deployed his men in a way that once worked, yesterday it didn't come off.

When and if Ulloa takes to the field we will change things again but at least with Vicente we know for sure what he can deliver, with Ulloa, we are still, 'hoping,' he can do the same, in truth we don't really know.

Getting Vicente back from injury is almost like signing a new player. A lot has happened during his injury time absense and Gus will need to work out how to use his talents so that he fits in with the improvement shown buy some of the squad.
We all think we know how Gus will use Ulloa, and I am sure that Gus has a plan of how to use him, but he too will have to fit in, nothing is known untill it is tried and tested.
This might sound crazy but that's ok. Had not Vicente been fit we would have lined up as usual against Blackburn. Had not Vicente suffered his injury early in the season we would have lined up differently for most of the games we have played. You don't have a player of his quality and not use him. Poyet went back to pre-season, he deployed his men in a way that once worked, yesterday it didn't come off. When and if Ulloa takes to the field we will change things again but at least with Vicente we know for sure what he can deliver, with Ulloa, we are still, 'hoping,' he can do the same, in truth we don't really know. Getting Vicente back from injury is almost like signing a new player. A lot has happened during his injury time absense and Gus will need to work out how to use his talents so that he fits in with the improvement shown buy some of the squad. We all think we know how Gus will use Ulloa, and I am sure that Gus has a plan of how to use him, but he too will have to fit in, nothing is known untill it is tried and tested. VegasSeagull
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3:07pm Wed 23 Jan 13

bruce beckett says...

The previous posters are 100% right about El Abd. His tactics are more akin to UFC than football and it was only a matter of time (a long time, it seems) before the officials got wise to them. He tries to make up for his lack of height by outmuscling his opponent, not to mention tugging their shirt and manhandling them. Fair play to him, he's a competitor, but he needs to be a little more surreptitious otherwise more penalties and cards will follow.

Good to read that Gus was man enough to admit he got his lineup and tactics wrong again last night, but he can't keep doing it. There are only 18 games to go and we can't afford any more managerial blunders if we're going to make the play-offs, which I believe this squad is talented and deep enough to achieve.
The previous posters are 100% right about El Abd. His tactics are more akin to UFC than football and it was only a matter of time (a long time, it seems) before the officials got wise to them. He tries to make up for his lack of height by outmuscling his opponent, not to mention tugging their shirt and manhandling them. Fair play to him, he's a competitor, but he needs to be a little more surreptitious otherwise more penalties and cards will follow. Good to read that Gus was man enough to admit he got his lineup and tactics wrong again last night, but he can't keep doing it. There are only 18 games to go and we can't afford any more managerial blunders if we're going to make the play-offs, which I believe this squad is talented and deep enough to achieve. bruce beckett
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5:25pm Wed 23 Jan 13

weststandupperlacostearmy says...

Yorkieseagull wrote:
franckiep en france wrote:
Brighton boss Gus Poyet says he would like to manage Arsenal or Chelsea.
Yes and I would like to spend a night with Mrs Sarkozy but I can't see that happening anytime soon either.
Dont see why it won't happen Yorkie? Have faith in yourself mate...personally im gunning for Mrs Mirrem and I havnt given up hope!!!
[quote][p][bold]Yorkieseagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]franckiep en france[/bold] wrote: Brighton boss Gus Poyet says he would like to manage Arsenal or Chelsea.[/p][/quote]Yes and I would like to spend a night with Mrs Sarkozy but I can't see that happening anytime soon either.[/p][/quote]Dont see why it won't happen Yorkie? Have faith in yourself mate...personally im gunning for Mrs Mirrem and I havnt given up hope!!! weststandupperlacostearmy
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5:49pm Wed 23 Jan 13

alacante says...

for me al-ab and greer are the week link at the back there too slow now itsd a wonder al-ab has been given the red card yesterday or before in the last game or two
for me al-ab and greer are the week link at the back there too slow now itsd a wonder al-ab has been given the red card yesterday or before in the last game or two alacante
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6:32pm Wed 23 Jan 13

namgo49 says...

This delay in clearance from the FA regarding Ulloa is a bit of a concern.

Perhaps the photocopied passport produced on the John Bull Printing Set (Home edition) is raising a few queries and eyebrows!!
This delay in clearance from the FA regarding Ulloa is a bit of a concern. Perhaps the photocopied passport produced on the John Bull Printing Set (Home edition) is raising a few queries and eyebrows!! namgo49
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6:43pm Wed 23 Jan 13

raymondo999 says...

Seagullkid wrote:
funny old game football is,now I know how the Blackburn fans feel like us after Saturday.
also funny how gus has spent £2m on a striker with us owning £8m and using a midfielder for a striker bet tony was wondering what the hell is going on like the rest of us.
been reading the notes on this site for the last few days and it blows your mind, ie we are going to do this or going to do that but let's get real Brighton fc is a 2nd div side at its best always will be, ok we had 4 years at the top with a cup final.
but to be fair we are in this league and doing well which is good enough at the moment,if and I say if we do go up in a few years then great but let's do it when we are ready for it, not go up and come back down again.
and if we do want to go up then we need to look at gus what was he playing at last night? same like he did last season had playoffs in sight and throw it away,have never know a manager to change a team around as much as gus does or is it just me?
Spot on. Playing a team full of fancy dan spaniards on a cold night in Blackburn. Get real.
[quote][p][bold]Seagullkid[/bold] wrote: funny old game football is,now I know how the Blackburn fans feel like us after Saturday. also funny how gus has spent £2m on a striker with us owning £8m and using a midfielder for a striker bet tony was wondering what the hell is going on like the rest of us. been reading the notes on this site for the last few days and it blows your mind, ie we are going to do this or going to do that but let's get real Brighton fc is a 2nd div side at its best always will be, ok we had 4 years at the top with a cup final. but to be fair we are in this league and doing well which is good enough at the moment,if and I say if we do go up in a few years then great but let's do it when we are ready for it, not go up and come back down again. and if we do want to go up then we need to look at gus what was he playing at last night? same like he did last season had playoffs in sight and throw it away,have never know a manager to change a team around as much as gus does or is it just me?[/p][/quote]Spot on. Playing a team full of fancy dan spaniards on a cold night in Blackburn. Get real. raymondo999
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6:57pm Wed 23 Jan 13

Hovite says...

lonegull wrote:
Why so much criticism of El-Ab?
We might not like some of his antics but that's part of his game. Every team needs someone like him that the opposition don't like playing against. All centre backs give away penalties and get the odd red card but how many penalties and red cards has he received recently? No he's not perfect he could do with been 6inches taller and having an extra yard of pace but then if he had that he'd be playing in the premiership for someone else. How many time do we see Buckley leaving defenders for dead I suppose they should all be replaced as well.
Sorry rant over.
I don't think it is critism, El Abd is short for a CB and if he was 3 or 4ins taller it would make a lot of difference.

He has to make up for for the lack of height by letting them know he is there. It does work, but not all the time.

I can't fault him and he is a great squad member, a legend even, but we do need someone better for the future.
[quote][p][bold]lonegull[/bold] wrote: Why so much criticism of El-Ab? We might not like some of his antics but that's part of his game. Every team needs someone like him that the opposition don't like playing against. All centre backs give away penalties and get the odd red card but how many penalties and red cards has he received recently? No he's not perfect he could do with been 6inches taller and having an extra yard of pace but then if he had that he'd be playing in the premiership for someone else. How many time do we see Buckley leaving defenders for dead I suppose they should all be replaced as well. Sorry rant over.[/p][/quote]I don't think it is critism, El Abd is short for a CB and if he was 3 or 4ins taller it would make a lot of difference. He has to make up for for the lack of height by letting them know he is there. It does work, but not all the time. I can't fault him and he is a great squad member, a legend even, but we do need someone better for the future. Hovite
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7:23pm Wed 23 Jan 13

WestStander17 says...

I don't think we should criticise El Abd. When Gus took over, with us in the lower half of League 1, and immediately tried to pass the ball out from the back, I for one didn't think El Abd had a hope in hell of staying in the team. He out of everyone has probably had to adapt his game the most but he has done it and its a credit to him that he has got this far. The other thing is that he is one player we will never doubt the commitment of. He leaves nothing out there on the park. I agree he is possibly at the peak of his powers but he has worked hard for us and doesn't deserve criticism in my view.

This may sound a silly comment with us having conceded the second least in the division (not my first or probably my last!) but I never have thought our team as a whole is great at defending. This is where Gus' approach has actually got us playing above our weight because it means we don't have to actually defend for anywhere near as long as most other teams do. By keeping the ball, it takes time out of the game. That covers up our potentially shaky defence.

The downside to that is that we also take attacking time out of the game too. So, I understand people wanting us to play 2 strikers, 2 wingers and just Bridcutt holding but it'd end up like a game of Basketball with teams scoring constantly at both ends! We have more control over the situation Gus' way. We won't create hundreds of chances in each game but if we take the chances we get better, we would be even higher than we are now. It's hard on the forwards, CMS in particular so far, because clear chances will be precious but if we take them, we will consistently win games. Unfortunately, that happens to be the hardest part of the game!

With Vicente fit and providing better service, I think Ulloa, CMS, Hoskins et al can score the goals we need between them!

Keep the faith, In Gus we trust and all that!
I don't think we should criticise El Abd. When Gus took over, with us in the lower half of League 1, and immediately tried to pass the ball out from the back, I for one didn't think El Abd had a hope in hell of staying in the team. He out of everyone has probably had to adapt his game the most but he has done it and its a credit to him that he has got this far. The other thing is that he is one player we will never doubt the commitment of. He leaves nothing out there on the park. I agree he is possibly at the peak of his powers but he has worked hard for us and doesn't deserve criticism in my view. This may sound a silly comment with us having conceded the second least in the division (not my first or probably my last!) but I never have thought our team as a whole is great at defending. This is where Gus' approach has actually got us playing above our weight because it means we don't have to actually defend for anywhere near as long as most other teams do. By keeping the ball, it takes time out of the game. That covers up our potentially shaky defence. The downside to that is that we also take attacking time out of the game too. So, I understand people wanting us to play 2 strikers, 2 wingers and just Bridcutt holding but it'd end up like a game of Basketball with teams scoring constantly at both ends! We have more control over the situation Gus' way. We won't create hundreds of chances in each game but if we take the chances we get better, we would be even higher than we are now. It's hard on the forwards, CMS in particular so far, because clear chances will be precious but if we take them, we will consistently win games. Unfortunately, that happens to be the hardest part of the game! With Vicente fit and providing better service, I think Ulloa, CMS, Hoskins et al can score the goals we need between them! Keep the faith, In Gus we trust and all that! WestStander17
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9:21pm Wed 23 Jan 13

Gazza by the sea says...

Like some others on here, when I saw the team I was very optimistic. Recognising that we always play 4-1-4-1 I assumed a midfield 4 of Lopez, Vicente, Dicker and Orlandi - probably the mot naturally gifted ball players a the club.

Bizarrely we lined up with Vicente upfront. I simply don't understand the thinking. I got the impression that Vicente didn't either and he very quickly dropped back much deeper which meant that that we were mostly playing 4-1-5-0.

This did result in the good possession stats and at times some lovely intricate clever and pretty one-touch interplay between our 4 ball players (Barnes was largely anonymous throughout despite having a terrific game at Birmingham).

But with Vicente so deep there was no outlet upfront for the intricate passing.

Blackburn were far more direct and often when our passing fizzled out through lack of an outlet they simply launched it forward to CKR and looked far more threatening than us as a result.

Like others I'd over to have seen Hoskins playing the lone striker role in front of that gifted 4 as he has presence upfront. Lets hope Ulloa is the answer.

I do hope the Bridcutt rumour goes away. If he does leave the money has to be used on 2 centre backs. Our good defensive record is largely a result of playing Bridcutt as a 5th defender. We have no-one else who can play that role and without him GGs and AEAs shortcomings will be quickly exposed.

All in all not one of our better performances but certainly not a classic. But the tippy tappy stuff can work if there is a strong outlet in the number 9 role.

And I'm so glad I never leave a match early!
Like some others on here, when I saw the team I was very optimistic. Recognising that we always play 4-1-4-1 I assumed a midfield 4 of Lopez, Vicente, Dicker and Orlandi - probably the mot naturally gifted ball players a the club. Bizarrely we lined up with Vicente upfront. I simply don't understand the thinking. I got the impression that Vicente didn't either and he very quickly dropped back much deeper which meant that that we were mostly playing 4-1-5-0. This did result in the good possession stats and at times some lovely intricate clever and pretty one-touch interplay between our 4 ball players (Barnes was largely anonymous throughout despite having a terrific game at Birmingham). But with Vicente so deep there was no outlet upfront for the intricate passing. Blackburn were far more direct and often when our passing fizzled out through lack of an outlet they simply launched it forward to CKR and looked far more threatening than us as a result. Like others I'd over to have seen Hoskins playing the lone striker role in front of that gifted 4 as he has presence upfront. Lets hope Ulloa is the answer. I do hope the Bridcutt rumour goes away. If he does leave the money has to be used on 2 centre backs. Our good defensive record is largely a result of playing Bridcutt as a 5th defender. We have no-one else who can play that role and without him GGs and AEAs shortcomings will be quickly exposed. All in all not one of our better performances but certainly not a classic. But the tippy tappy stuff can work if there is a strong outlet in the number 9 role. And I'm so glad I never leave a match early! Gazza by the sea
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10:11pm Wed 23 Jan 13

falmer seagull says...

The essential fact about the last two games is that we did not win either of them. One win and one loss = 3pts, two draws =2 pts simples. We need to win more games like the teams above us! Still no news of Ulloa's International clearance. Perhaps he has got a false passport?
The essential fact about the last two games is that we did not win either of them. One win and one loss = 3pts, two draws =2 pts simples. We need to win more games like the teams above us! Still no news of Ulloa's International clearance. Perhaps he has got a false passport? falmer seagull
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10:22am Thu 24 Jan 13

Captain Haddock says...

Hovite wrote:
Bushell wrote:
I am 100% behind Gus and I know this is a bit controversial but do we have to play Vincente until he is match fit for the whole 90 minutes ? I think last night by the sounds of things that we were poor because Gus thought he had to play Vincente which changed our whole game plan. By leaving CMS and WB on the bench to accomodate Vincente it did not work and I feel Vincente should be playing just in the hole behind CMS with WB out wide. The problem with that I suppose is that Vincente does not defend much so we have more pressure on LB and whoever is along side him which makes us more vulnerable at the back so this is a dilema for Gus. If you add Ulloa to the issue its a real problem. Thoughts from you guys please,
Bushell, that sums it up, it's down to the balance of the side. What you gain with one you lose with another but Gus had to give Vicente a run out.

Obviously Gus is concerned about our strength in defense and this compromises the way we set up. El Abd does a great job and gives 100%, however we need someone bigger, stronger and faster.

El Abd is a great reliable 2nd choice CB so Gus has to select the squad with this in mind.

At least the club recognise this and are working on strengthening this position up.
Agree with this. Compromises have to be made until the team and squad, as a whole, is at the level required to really take this division by storm as we did in League One two years ago.

It's about personnel. If Gus could, he'd have any number of better players in - there's ALWAYS room to strengthen and tweak - but there are limits on finance and squad numbers...unless you are Chelski or Mancashter Sheikhy!

Ulloa adds a new dimension to our options but will also probably prove to be a strengthening measure both literally and in terms of quality play up front.

Van Dijk, if we can bag him, would definately improve our back line for pace, height, savvy and goals (5 in 28 including some stunners as seen on Youtube). Get him and a "Vieira type" midfielder and we'd storm this division.
[quote][p][bold]Hovite[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bushell[/bold] wrote: I am 100% behind Gus and I know this is a bit controversial but do we have to play Vincente until he is match fit for the whole 90 minutes ? I think last night by the sounds of things that we were poor because Gus thought he had to play Vincente which changed our whole game plan. By leaving CMS and WB on the bench to accomodate Vincente it did not work and I feel Vincente should be playing just in the hole behind CMS with WB out wide. The problem with that I suppose is that Vincente does not defend much so we have more pressure on LB and whoever is along side him which makes us more vulnerable at the back so this is a dilema for Gus. If you add Ulloa to the issue its a real problem. Thoughts from you guys please,[/p][/quote]Bushell, that sums it up, it's down to the balance of the side. What you gain with one you lose with another but Gus had to give Vicente a run out. Obviously Gus is concerned about our strength in defense and this compromises the way we set up. El Abd does a great job and gives 100%, however we need someone bigger, stronger and faster. El Abd is a great reliable 2nd choice CB so Gus has to select the squad with this in mind. At least the club recognise this and are working on strengthening this position up.[/p][/quote]Agree with this. Compromises have to be made until the team and squad, as a whole, is at the level required to really take this division by storm as we did in League One two years ago. It's about personnel. If Gus could, he'd have any number of better players in - there's ALWAYS room to strengthen and tweak - but there are limits on finance and squad numbers...unless you are Chelski or Mancashter Sheikhy! Ulloa adds a new dimension to our options but will also probably prove to be a strengthening measure both literally and in terms of quality play up front. Van Dijk, if we can bag him, would definately improve our back line for pace, height, savvy and goals (5 in 28 including some stunners as seen on Youtube). Get him and a "Vieira type" midfielder and we'd storm this division. Captain Haddock
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10:45am Thu 24 Jan 13

Captain Haddock says...

RedKen1 wrote:
Seeing as Warren Aspinall works for the club, you'd think he could get players name right on the radio? He persists with calling them El-Habd and Mackhail-Smith. Can't wait to hear how he pronounces Ulloa.
Great shout! Commentators getting names wrong drives me mad....it's a significant pArt of their job, for Peter Ward's sake!!!

In fairness the other guy (rather amazingly, in fact) is pronouncing Ulloa's name correctly....it's u-joe-a with a slight zzz to the joe bit!

Many also incorrectly say Caulderon instead of a flat Cal-deron.

My favourite mispronounciation this season is Adam Le Fondre's "Madjeski ". It's Madejski (pron. Madeyski) Adam...still you only work there and for the bloke of the same name !!!
[quote][p][bold]RedKen1[/bold] wrote: Seeing as Warren Aspinall works for the club, you'd think he could get players name right on the radio? He persists with calling them El-Habd and Mackhail-Smith. Can't wait to hear how he pronounces Ulloa.[/p][/quote]Great shout! Commentators getting names wrong drives me mad....it's a significant pArt of their job, for Peter Ward's sake!!! In fairness the other guy (rather amazingly, in fact) is pronouncing Ulloa's name correctly....it's u-joe-a with a slight zzz to the joe bit! Many also incorrectly say Caulderon instead of a flat Cal-deron. My favourite mispronounciation this season is Adam Le Fondre's "Madjeski ". It's Madejski (pron. Madeyski) Adam...still you only work there and for the bloke of the same name !!! Captain Haddock
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10:57am Thu 24 Jan 13

Captain Haddock says...

Gazza by the sea wrote:
Like some others on here, when I saw the team I was very optimistic. Recognising that we always play 4-1-4-1 I assumed a midfield 4 of Lopez, Vicente, Dicker and Orlandi - probably the mot naturally gifted ball players a the club.

Bizarrely we lined up with Vicente upfront. I simply don't understand the thinking. I got the impression that Vicente didn't either and he very quickly dropped back much deeper which meant that that we were mostly playing 4-1-5-0.

This did result in the good possession stats and at times some lovely intricate clever and pretty one-touch interplay between our 4 ball players (Barnes was largely anonymous throughout despite having a terrific game at Birmingham).

But with Vicente so deep there was no outlet upfront for the intricate passing.

Blackburn were far more direct and often when our passing fizzled out through lack of an outlet they simply launched it forward to CKR and looked far more threatening than us as a result.

Like others I'd over to have seen Hoskins playing the lone striker role in front of that gifted 4 as he has presence upfront. Lets hope Ulloa is the answer.

I do hope the Bridcutt rumour goes away. If he does leave the money has to be used on 2 centre backs. Our good defensive record is largely a result of playing Bridcutt as a 5th defender. We have no-one else who can play that role and without him GGs and AEAs shortcomings will be quickly exposed.

All in all not one of our better performances but certainly not a classic. But the tippy tappy stuff can work if there is a strong outlet in the number 9 role.

And I'm so glad I never leave a match early!
Great reading of the game. Paints a clear picture. Cheers, Gazza.
[quote][p][bold]Gazza by the sea[/bold] wrote: Like some others on here, when I saw the team I was very optimistic. Recognising that we always play 4-1-4-1 I assumed a midfield 4 of Lopez, Vicente, Dicker and Orlandi - probably the mot naturally gifted ball players a the club. Bizarrely we lined up with Vicente upfront. I simply don't understand the thinking. I got the impression that Vicente didn't either and he very quickly dropped back much deeper which meant that that we were mostly playing 4-1-5-0. This did result in the good possession stats and at times some lovely intricate clever and pretty one-touch interplay between our 4 ball players (Barnes was largely anonymous throughout despite having a terrific game at Birmingham). But with Vicente so deep there was no outlet upfront for the intricate passing. Blackburn were far more direct and often when our passing fizzled out through lack of an outlet they simply launched it forward to CKR and looked far more threatening than us as a result. Like others I'd over to have seen Hoskins playing the lone striker role in front of that gifted 4 as he has presence upfront. Lets hope Ulloa is the answer. I do hope the Bridcutt rumour goes away. If he does leave the money has to be used on 2 centre backs. Our good defensive record is largely a result of playing Bridcutt as a 5th defender. We have no-one else who can play that role and without him GGs and AEAs shortcomings will be quickly exposed. All in all not one of our better performances but certainly not a classic. But the tippy tappy stuff can work if there is a strong outlet in the number 9 role. And I'm so glad I never leave a match early![/p][/quote]Great reading of the game. Paints a clear picture. Cheers, Gazza. Captain Haddock
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