Albion duo doubts for Gunners clash (From The Argus)
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Albion duo doubts for Gunners clash
11:12am Thursday 24th January 2013 in Sport By Andy Naylor
Andrew Crofts, could be hamstrung for Arsenal's visit.
Albion have doubts over Bruno and Andrew Crofts for Arsenal's FA Cup visit on Saturday.
Bruno has missed seven of the last eight matches with an Achilles problem.
Boss Gus Poyet has also revealed that Crofts' absence from the squad for the draws at Birmingham and Blackburn was due to injury.
Poyet told The Argus: "On Thursday (last) he felt his hamstring here at The Amex. We thought it was nothing but then on Friday he couldn't train, so we left him behind."
Albion had no pitch to train on this morning, reducing the chances of Bruno and Crofts proving their fitness to play a part against the Gunners.
Vicente came through his first league start of the season at Blackburn. The Spaniard, sidelined since August by thigh trouble, lasted 55 minutes at Ewood Park before he was substituted.
Poyet said: "He is tired and tight but allright, so he is available again."
The Seagulls are still waiting for international clearance for new signing Leonardo Ulloa.
Poyet, confirming there had been no developments on the Argentinian's red tape issue, said: "I can't say too much, because I think I have been quite clear about the situation. I was expecting him to play against Birmingham and I still don't understand why."
Albion have yet to make a fresh bid for giant Dutch centre half Virgil van Dijk after their original offer was rejected by his club Groningen.
The transfer window shuts at 11pm next Thursday and Poyet said: "At the moment it's very quiet. We have got a big squad with practically everybody fit and I don't like bringing players just for the sake of using the transfer window.
"If something happened the other way (players leaving) then we are ready, just in case."
Comments(85)
WestStander17
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11:39am Thu 24 Jan 13
No need to risk Crofts either with everyone else fit. Would think that will mean Hammond and/or Dicker will join Bridcutt in midfield. Someone will need to get close to Wilshere if he plays!
Old Scrote of the Amex
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11:40am Thu 24 Jan 13
I'm really waiting for Crofts to show the form he had with Norwich in the Championship. He's a good player, but maybe he needs a run in the team to get his rhythm?
saraman
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11:44am Thu 24 Jan 13
Gee Jay
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11:44am Thu 24 Jan 13
David Lopez impressed at right back, and much as we all love Calde, I wonder if he has the pace for Saturday's game.
Great if 'Big Len' get's clearance to play.
Good chance for the Albion to put last season's Liverpool nightmare to rest with a good display for the (hopefully) full Amex crowd.
Alan G Skinner
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12:13pm Thu 24 Jan 13
Albion23
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12:23pm Thu 24 Jan 13
Tommy11
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12:26pm Thu 24 Jan 13
In all honesty, I never rated him when he was with us first time around. He was ok and he chipped in with some goals, but he does not do enough for me. I find him extreamly overrated and I bet he cost us in the region of £1m.. which was a total waste of money.
I think Calde is doing a great job as normal, so missing Bruno is ok. Bruno is class, but Calde is a much better defender and I feel will do a better job against the Gunners.
tinker111
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12:35pm Thu 24 Jan 13
Old Scrote of the Amex
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12:35pm Thu 24 Jan 13
Tommy11 wrote:I thought the rumour was Crofts cost £300k, which seems about right.
Sorry to be blunt, but we won't miss Crofts.
In all honesty, I never rated him when he was with us first time around. He was ok and he chipped in with some goals, but he does not do enough for me. I find him extreamly overrated and I bet he cost us in the region of £1m.. which was a total waste of money.
I think Calde is doing a great job as normal, so missing Bruno is ok. Bruno is class, but Calde is a much better defender and I feel will do a better job against the Gunners.
Tommy11
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12:54pm Thu 24 Jan 13
tinker111 wrote:Barnes on right?? you must meen Buckley you nutcase.
Croft no miss better than him available Bruno well LOPAS /Barnes combo is the best we have on right side so no worries
ballantrrae
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1:08pm Thu 24 Jan 13
The Ulloa International clearance situation is becoming ridiculous. It's over a week since he signed and still we can't play him although presumably we are paying his wages and have paid whatever is due to his spanish club.
I think you may have hit the nail on the head Alan G Skinner re the 3rd party part ownership. Echoes of another Argentinian one Carlos Tevez perhaps ?
Claude Back
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1:15pm Thu 24 Jan 13
Gee Jay wrote:Also, will Walcott cope with AEA's speed?
Agree, Clean Sheets, Andrew Crofts does not appear to be the player that we sold to Norwich.
David Lopez impressed at right back, and much as we all love Calde, I wonder if he has the pace for Saturday's game.
Great if 'Big Len' get's clearance to play.
Good chance for the Albion to put last season's Liverpool nightmare to rest with a good display for the (hopefully) full Amex crowd.
WisdomSpeaks
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1:45pm Thu 24 Jan 13
saraman wrote:I agree with you Saraman. It feels something strange here. The guy has been with us for 10 days now and still not our player. Gus' comments indicate he's not fully 'in the know'.
Gee, when I first saw the headline my heart was in my mouth. My fear was Vicente was injured again. This Ulloa business is becoming very frustrating. I can't believe that the FA are being that tardy. There must be more to it than we know.
It would be nice if Paul Barber/David Burke or someone at the club would have the courage to come out and be honest as to the situation. Interesting no one from the media seems interested in asking clear precise questions regarding this situation.
Most supporters can take any news as long as it is given to them straight! As long as we remember that he is not our player YET! Hopefully the £2 Million isn't yet in Almeira's account LoL!!!!
fairweathersupporter
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2:04pm Thu 24 Jan 13
But now for the evil Darth Wenger. Be interesting to see how we cope with the pace and technical skill of some very good players. I know Bradford and all that but we'd actually be trying to take them on as wannabe equals. I have no doubt that El Abd is relishing the opportunity of Mr Walcott and co ( I do accept that this is perhaps not an equal contest). But for all the complaints of lack of pace etc; well here's a good test...
As for Crofts, no he hasn't quite hit the mark. Hammond has looked far more convincing in the central role. Bruno is class and will be missed but Calde seems to have recaptured some fire in the last couple of games I have seen him play (albeit I sort of like Spanish Dave in that position as well).
The 'Big Len' situation is probably not a conspiracy but the theories are very interesting...
Anyway, anything could happen on Saturday and a win is not out of the question. Chelsea at home in the next round please (Am I too old to be a ball boy?).
May the Albion be with you… Always.
WisdomSpeaks
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2:08pm Thu 24 Jan 13
fairweathersupporter wrote:Is that in the hope of getting a kicking!
Looking forward to Saturday, nice to have a break from the league campaign of 'Stay on target, stay on target' and 'almost there, almost there' (hopefully Luke or in this case Gus will save my season)…
But now for the evil Darth Wenger. Be interesting to see how we cope with the pace and technical skill of some very good players. I know Bradford and all that but we'd actually be trying to take them on as wannabe equals. I have no doubt that El Abd is relishing the opportunity of Mr Walcott and co ( I do accept that this is perhaps not an equal contest). But for all the complaints of lack of pace etc; well here's a good test...
As for Crofts, no he hasn't quite hit the mark. Hammond has looked far more convincing in the central role. Bruno is class and will be missed but Calde seems to have recaptured some fire in the last couple of games I have seen him play (albeit I sort of like Spanish Dave in that position as well).
The 'Big Len' situation is probably not a conspiracy but the theories are very interesting...
Anyway, anything could happen on Saturday and a win is not out of the question. Chelsea at home in the next round please (Am I too old to be a ball boy?).
May the Albion be with you… Always.
Sarah Booker Lewis
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2:12pm Thu 24 Jan 13
VegasSeagull
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2:16pm Thu 24 Jan 13
My biggest fear for saturday is the pace of Arsenal's players and the pace at which they pass the ball. The only way I cna see us trying to cope with their all round speed is for Bridge, and who ever gets the right back shirt, to stay at home more than usual. We may have to lose some, not all, of their raids.
This might not be a problem if Vicente starts as the midfield play maker, he can give us a dimention to our game that appears to have been lacking.
Just taking the second half Arsenal performance of yesterday scares me. If we are to win this game I feel we have to get a couple of goals up, I have the feeling that Arsenal will roll over us if we do not take the game to them and score from chances created.
Arsenal seem to have this ability to step things up when needed. Yesterday they were even at half time and look what happened. If we can get them on the back foot in the first half we might have a chance.
If we lose we lose, I just hope that it's not a humiliating slapping. TK has to start.
ballantrrae
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2:21pm Thu 24 Jan 13
fairweathersupporter wrote:Good post fws.
Looking forward to Saturday, nice to have a break from the league campaign of 'Stay on target, stay on target' and 'almost there, almost there' (hopefully Luke or in this case Gus will save my season)…
But now for the evil Darth Wenger. Be interesting to see how we cope with the pace and technical skill of some very good players. I know Bradford and all that but we'd actually be trying to take them on as wannabe equals. I have no doubt that El Abd is relishing the opportunity of Mr Walcott and co ( I do accept that this is perhaps not an equal contest). But for all the complaints of lack of pace etc; well here's a good test...
As for Crofts, no he hasn't quite hit the mark. Hammond has looked far more convincing in the central role. Bruno is class and will be missed but Calde seems to have recaptured some fire in the last couple of games I have seen him play (albeit I sort of like Spanish Dave in that position as well).
The 'Big Len' situation is probably not a conspiracy but the theories are very interesting...
Anyway, anything could happen on Saturday and a win is not out of the question. Chelsea at home in the next round please (Am I too old to be a ball boy?).
May the Albion be with you… Always.
VegasSeagull
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2:25pm Thu 24 Jan 13
WisdomSpeaks wrote:I don't know how to answer the question I am about to pose but maybe someone else does.
saraman wrote: Gee, when I first saw the headline my heart was in my mouth. My fear was Vicente was injured again. This Ulloa business is becoming very frustrating. I can't believe that the FA are being that tardy. There must be more to it than we know.I agree with you Saraman. It feels something strange here. The guy has been with us for 10 days now and still not our player. Gus' comments indicate he's not fully 'in the know'. It would be nice if Paul Barber/David Burke or someone at the club would have the courage to come out and be honest as to the situation. Interesting no one from the media seems interested in asking clear precise questions regarding this situation. Most supporters can take any news as long as it is given to them straight! As long as we remember that he is not our player YET! Hopefully the £2 Million isn't yet in Almeira's account LoL!!!!
We pretty much know when Ulloa's papers were submitted to the FA, they would be date stamped.
Many other lcubs would also have submitted papers for players too, also date stamped.
My question is, how many registrations have gone thru with a date stamp later than that of Ulloa?
I would have to assume that these matters are handled according to date order of application.
If other player's paper work has been completed with a date stamp later than Ulloa's, that would suggest that something is wrong.
WisdomSpeaks
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2:38pm Thu 24 Jan 13
Who knows - his 'missus' is expecting another child, maybe she arrived and threw her arms up at the place/weather who knows - what I do know is if the lady of the house ain't happy there's normally problems. All this speculation could be so easily avoided if someone from the club/FA/Spanish FA gave a true statement of fact.
If I were Naylor I'd be calling the FA/Spanish FA and asking the exact questions you asked!
It feels the same as when you're waiting at the airport and the sign simply says 'Delayed until further notice' nobody comes out to speak to the customers and explain the situation and they all get shirty.
BTW I totally agree with TK playing on Saturday. It would be lunacy to leave him out. It's not as though we're in Champions League/Prem/FA Cup etc. The gulf between TK and CA/PB is so large that I believe TK should be played all the time he's fit. Sorry for the other lads but that's life!
Captain Haddock
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2:51pm Thu 24 Jan 13
fairweathersupporter wrote:We gave em Gooner types a good run for their money last time we met (a long time ago, in a stadium not so far, far away).
Looking forward to Saturday, nice to have a break from the league campaign of 'Stay on target, stay on target' and 'almost there, almost there' (hopefully Luke or in this case Gus will save my season)…
But now for the evil Darth Wenger. Be interesting to see how we cope with the pace and technical skill of some very good players. I know Bradford and all that but we'd actually be trying to take them on as wannabe equals. I have no doubt that El Abd is relishing the opportunity of Mr Walcott and co ( I do accept that this is perhaps not an equal contest). But for all the complaints of lack of pace etc; well here's a good test...
As for Crofts, no he hasn't quite hit the mark. Hammond has looked far more convincing in the central role. Bruno is class and will be missed but Calde seems to have recaptured some fire in the last couple of games I have seen him play (albeit I sort of like Spanish Dave in that position as well).
The 'Big Len' situation is probably not a conspiracy but the theories are very interesting...
Anyway, anything could happen on Saturday and a win is not out of the question. Chelsea at home in the next round please (Am I too old to be a ball boy?).
May the Albion be with you… Always.
Reckon we'll go one better and get the 2-2 this time....convenient for me as I'm only a couple of bus rides away.
Captain Haddock
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2:57pm Thu 24 Jan 13
It is immensely frustrating and I sincerely hope it will be resolved before Saturday. Would be great to see him get at least a few minutes on the pitch.
Captain Haddock
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3:06pm Thu 24 Jan 13
Vitalijs Maksimenko= Vitali Maksimienko (they pronounce with an extra 'i' for some reason)....info from a Latvian national I know.
Leonardo Ulloa= Ujoa (with the 'j' having a 'z' inflection to it too)...info from South American footy expert Tim Vickery on 5 Live's World Football Phone-in - early hours of Satyrday morning / podcast...we got a mention last week but its recommendable anyway.
saraman
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3:38pm Thu 24 Jan 13
Sarah Booker Lewis wrote:Hi Sarah, what did I say that was illegal? I only mentioned what is in the Argus reports. If I got it wrong I apologise.
Two comments have been removed for legal reasons.
Old Scrote of the Amex
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3:41pm Thu 24 Jan 13
VegasSeagull wrote:Not necessarily. I doubt very much they go through them serially and only start one when they've completed the previous one. They'll have many on the go (as there are times when they'll just be waiting for stuff) so subsequent - but simpler - applications could quite feasibly be signed off sooner.
WisdomSpeaks wrote:I don't know how to answer the question I am about to pose but maybe someone else does.
saraman wrote: Gee, when I first saw the headline my heart was in my mouth. My fear was Vicente was injured again. This Ulloa business is becoming very frustrating. I can't believe that the FA are being that tardy. There must be more to it than we know.I agree with you Saraman. It feels something strange here. The guy has been with us for 10 days now and still not our player. Gus' comments indicate he's not fully 'in the know'. It would be nice if Paul Barber/David Burke or someone at the club would have the courage to come out and be honest as to the situation. Interesting no one from the media seems interested in asking clear precise questions regarding this situation. Most supporters can take any news as long as it is given to them straight! As long as we remember that he is not our player YET! Hopefully the £2 Million isn't yet in Almeira's account LoL!!!!
We pretty much know when Ulloa's papers were submitted to the FA, they would be date stamped.
Many other lcubs would also have submitted papers for players too, also date stamped.
My question is, how many registrations have gone thru with a date stamp later than that of Ulloa?
I would have to assume that these matters are handled according to date order of application.
If other player's paper work has been completed with a date stamp later than Ulloa's, that would suggest that something is wrong.
I don't know whether it's the fact he Argentinian, or whether it's because of the 3rd party ownership (or both, or something else!) but it's flippin' annoying.
jockithenoo
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3:44pm Thu 24 Jan 13
saraman wrote:Hi saraman
Gee, when I first saw the headline my heart was in my mouth. My fear was Vicente was injured again. This Ulloa business is becoming very frustrating. I can't believe that the FA are being that tardy. There must be more to it than we know.
I think the clearance has to come from Argentina !
So it could be a bit of a wait
UTA
saraman
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3:52pm Thu 24 Jan 13
jockithenoo wrote:Yes, that's a point Jock. They still haven't forgiven us for The Falklands.
saraman wrote: Gee, when I first saw the headline my heart was in my mouth. My fear was Vicente was injured again. This Ulloa business is becoming very frustrating. I can't believe that the FA are being that tardy. There must be more to it than we know.Hi saraman I think the clearance has to come from Argentina ! So it could be a bit of a wait UTA
Freeloaders
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4:10pm Thu 24 Jan 13
Tommy11 wrote:Such a good post Tommy11.Very odd i bring it up yesterday in a post,then just out the blue its a injury lol.Why not say that in the first place then?There is a very good reason Norwich had him out and off their wage bill asap.Some of the sheep on here will say something like his moving house,or his wife is not happy.Maybe even his dog is feeling a bit under the weather.Thing is i know the reason Norwich wanted shot asap.
Sorry to be blunt, but we won't miss Crofts.
In all honesty, I never rated him when he was with us first time around. He was ok and he chipped in with some goals, but he does not do enough for me. I find him extreamly overrated and I bet he cost us in the region of £1m.. which was a total waste of money.
I think Calde is doing a great job as normal, so missing Bruno is ok. Bruno is class, but Calde is a much better defender and I feel will do a better job against the Gunners.
Tony the tiger eastbourne
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4:14pm Thu 24 Jan 13
gatonegro
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4:20pm Thu 24 Jan 13
Alan G Skinner wrote:You may well be right Alan G Skinner. The Spanish paper Marca reported on Ulloa's move to Brighton on 12 Jan and said that Almeria hold 50% of the player rights (1.8m euro). Dont know who holds the other half.
Great news regarding Vicente, his quality in midfield, will help us retain possession against Arsenal, which will be so important. The Ulloa situation is rapidly decending into farce, is this down to some sought of third party ownership issue?
Freeloaders
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4:38pm Thu 24 Jan 13
mikeygit
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4:39pm Thu 24 Jan 13
ballantrrae
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4:47pm Thu 24 Jan 13
Captain Haddock wrote:VegasSeagull, Captain Haddock and others there clearly is some problem with Ulloa's clearance.
Another good post from you WisdomSpeaks. I agree entirely. Regarding the Ulloa situation, it is indeed getting ridiculous. I can only assume that there is some sort of glitch or problem regarding the validity or clarity of the paperwork or some other complication.
It is immensely frustrating and I sincerely hope it will be resolved before Saturday. Would be great to see him get at least a few minutes on the pitch.
I say this because Poyet (per last week's threads) seemed pretty certain that he would be available last Saturday. Yesterday he didn't seem to be any the wiser about when the clearance would finally come through.
As I said earlier on this thread and Alan G Skinner first raised, it is probably tied up with the 3rd party 'part' ownership situation.
Have we acquired 100% of Ulloa for our £2 million or only 66% (thereby valuing him at £3 million).
Alternatively is there some dispute between Almeira and the 3rd party re splitting the fee.
Another scenario might be that the 3rd Party hasn't signed the paperwork yet and if the 3rd party is in Argentina how long might that take...
The question I would ask is at what point does Ulloa actually become a Brighton player ?
If this drags on can we withdraw from the deal (not that I would want the Albion to do so) in order to sign someone else.
If the clearance hasn't come through by the time the transfer window closes will he still be able to play for us when it does ?
Generally in Contract law it only becomes binding when (a) all parties have agreed/signed and when 'Consideration' has been paid and received. This is all covered under the Offer and Acceptance part of a contract.
It doesn't look healthy that this hasn't been resolved.
I would have thought that these potential problems could have been anticipated and a solution found when we were waiting for the passport situation to be finalised.
This really is the sort of admin issue that presumably falls under the remits of Bailey and Burke and should not be Poyet's responsibility to deal with.
I should add that both Poyet and Ulloa must be thoroughly frustrated by the delay.
Hopefully (fingers crossed) clearance will come through by Midday tomorrow so that Ulloa can play against Arsenal.
Changing the subject Captain Haddock at what time is the Seagulls over London meeting tonight scheduled to start ?
WestStander17
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4:49pm Thu 24 Jan 13
Freeloaders wrote:What are you on about?
Admits between 10 or 15 shots and a bottle of wine.What a super fit footballer he must be.Maybe get away with in the 70s or 80s.Thats the reason the prem-league don't have many top English players in it now.Plus im sure why Gus is lookng away from home.
This is the story about Bruno & Crofts being injured for the Arsenal game!!!
VegasSeagull
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4:59pm Thu 24 Jan 13
I can only assume that the third person in this affair is the cause of the hold up.
I would have thought that Brighton knew of this dual ownership when they were negotiating to buy him, please God we don't find out that they didn't know.
This delay could be as a result of some kind of payment issues between the third party and Almeria.
What ever the reason for the delay, as stated by others, the club should inform the fans as to how we stand with his registration. The club has an e-mail address perhaps a few hundred e-mails asking the question might get a response from the club.
Freeloaders
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5:03pm Thu 24 Jan 13
WestStander17 wrote:It really hurts you don't it?lol.Now the real fans can read and see what his really like.For mths on here people like you have told me about the top guy he is.Plus how much he loves the game.LOL.
Freeloaders wrote:What are you on about?
Admits between 10 or 15 shots and a bottle of wine.What a super fit footballer he must be.Maybe get away with in the 70s or 80s.Thats the reason the prem-league don't have many top English players in it now.Plus im sure why Gus is lookng away from home.
This is the story about Bruno & Crofts being injured for the Arsenal game!!!
Hovite
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5:04pm Thu 24 Jan 13
Hovite
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5:06pm Thu 24 Jan 13
ballantrrae wrote:I wouldn't worry about it
Captain Haddock wrote:VegasSeagull, Captain Haddock and others there clearly is some problem with Ulloa's clearance.
Another good post from you WisdomSpeaks. I agree entirely. Regarding the Ulloa situation, it is indeed getting ridiculous. I can only assume that there is some sort of glitch or problem regarding the validity or clarity of the paperwork or some other complication.
It is immensely frustrating and I sincerely hope it will be resolved before Saturday. Would be great to see him get at least a few minutes on the pitch.
I say this because Poyet (per last week's threads) seemed pretty certain that he would be available last Saturday. Yesterday he didn't seem to be any the wiser about when the clearance would finally come through.
As I said earlier on this thread and Alan G Skinner first raised, it is probably tied up with the 3rd party 'part' ownership situation.
Have we acquired 100% of Ulloa for our £2 million or only 66% (thereby valuing him at £3 million).
Alternatively is there some dispute between Almeira and the 3rd party re splitting the fee.
Another scenario might be that the 3rd Party hasn't signed the paperwork yet and if the 3rd party is in Argentina how long might that take...
The question I would ask is at what point does Ulloa actually become a Brighton player ?
If this drags on can we withdraw from the deal (not that I would want the Albion to do so) in order to sign someone else.
If the clearance hasn't come through by the time the transfer window closes will he still be able to play for us when it does ?
Generally in Contract law it only becomes binding when (a) all parties have agreed/signed and when 'Consideration' has been paid and received. This is all covered under the Offer and Acceptance part of a contract.
It doesn't look healthy that this hasn't been resolved.
I would have thought that these potential problems could have been anticipated and a solution found when we were waiting for the passport situation to be finalised.
This really is the sort of admin issue that presumably falls under the remits of Bailey and Burke and should not be Poyet's responsibility to deal with.
I should add that both Poyet and Ulloa must be thoroughly frustrated by the delay.
Hopefully (fingers crossed) clearance will come through by Midday tomorrow so that Ulloa can play against Arsenal.
Changing the subject Captain Haddock at what time is the Seagulls over London meeting tonight scheduled to start ?
Sarah Booker Lewis
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5:12pm Thu 24 Jan 13
saraman wrote:No discussion is permitted about any active court case by law due to contempt of court issues.
Sarah Booker Lewis wrote:Hi Sarah, what did I say that was illegal? I only mentioned what is in the Argus reports. If I got it wrong I apologise.
Two comments have been removed for legal reasons.
This is why comments are disabled on all court stories on all news websites in the UK and any reference to ongoing cases are removed from live comments.
Sarah Booker Lewis
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5:13pm Thu 24 Jan 13
Comments will be disabled if there is further discussion about active court cases.
WestStander17
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5:15pm Thu 24 Jan 13
Freeloaders wrote:Who???
WestStander17 wrote:It really hurts you don't it?lol.Now the real fans can read and see what his really like.For mths on here people like you have told me about the top guy he is.Plus how much he loves the game.LOL.Freeloaders wrote: Admits between 10 or 15 shots and a bottle of wine.What a super fit footballer he must be.Maybe get away with in the 70s or 80s.Thats the reason the prem-league don't have many top English players in it now.Plus im sure why Gus is lookng away from home.What are you on about? This is the story about Bruno & Crofts being injured for the Arsenal game!!!
Crofts or Bruno?
Hovite
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5:21pm Thu 24 Jan 13
Sarah Booker Lewis wrote:That's fair enough, but Freeloader can say anything for some reason.
saraman wrote:No discussion is permitted about any active court case by law due to contempt of court issues.
Sarah Booker Lewis wrote:Hi Sarah, what did I say that was illegal? I only mentioned what is in the Argus reports. If I got it wrong I apologise.
Two comments have been removed for legal reasons.
This is why comments are disabled on all court stories on all news websites in the UK and any reference to ongoing cases are removed from live comments.
WestStander17
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5:24pm Thu 24 Jan 13
Sarah Booker Lewis
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5:24pm Thu 24 Jan 13
Hovite wrote:Freeloaders' comment about the case was removed before I posted.
Sarah Booker Lewis wrote:That's fair enough, but Freeloader can say anything for some reason.
saraman wrote:No discussion is permitted about any active court case by law due to contempt of court issues.
Sarah Booker Lewis wrote:Hi Sarah, what did I say that was illegal? I only mentioned what is in the Argus reports. If I got it wrong I apologise.
Two comments have been removed for legal reasons.
This is why comments are disabled on all court stories on all news websites in the UK and any reference to ongoing cases are removed from live comments.
VegasSeagull
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5:34pm Thu 24 Jan 13
Hovite wrote:I have sent one, 20 seconds ago lol.
Go on Vegas, send them a few hundred emails.
saraman
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5:39pm Thu 24 Jan 13
Sarah Booker Lewis wrote:Fair enough Sarah. But some of the postings on here are really near the knuckle and they are allowed to stand.
Hovite wrote:Freeloaders' comment about the case was removed before I posted.Sarah Booker Lewis wrote:That's fair enough, but Freeloader can say anything for some reason.saraman wrote:No discussion is permitted about any active court case by law due to contempt of court issues. This is why comments are disabled on all court stories on all news websites in the UK and any reference to ongoing cases are removed from live comments.Sarah Booker Lewis wrote: Two comments have been removed for legal reasons.Hi Sarah, what did I say that was illegal? I only mentioned what is in the Argus reports. If I got it wrong I apologise.
jockithenoo
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5:40pm Thu 24 Jan 13
saraman wrote:Its as i thought a complete
jockithenoo wrote:Yes, that's a point Jock. They still haven't forgiven us for The Falklands.
saraman wrote: Gee, when I first saw the headline my heart was in my mouth. My fear was Vicente was injured again. This Ulloa business is becoming very frustrating. I can't believe that the FA are being that tardy. There must be more to it than we know.Hi saraman I think the clearance has to come from Argentina ! So it could be a bit of a wait UTA
CONSPIRACY !
LOL :-)
UTA
VegasSeagull
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5:40pm Thu 24 Jan 13
The paper is putting the info out there so would you not expect comments on what the paper is telling us?
saraman
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5:47pm Thu 24 Jan 13
VegasSeagull
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5:59pm Thu 24 Jan 13
saraman wrote:Any chance on getting discount flights to go along with that discount away game ticket, I don't need a hotel room.
A discussion has just taken place on BBC Radio4 about away ticket prices. It is proposed a maximum of £20 nationwide as a reward and recognition to away supporters for being the most loyal to their respective clubs. I for one would be inclined to attend a few away games at that price. Would anybody else?
Sarah Booker Lewis
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5:59pm Thu 24 Jan 13
VegasSeagull wrote:Commenting is not enabled on any news stories related to court cases as required by law.
Sarah would it not be a good idea to remove the daily coverage from this site and by doing so, remove the temptation and ability to comment?
The paper is putting the info out there so would you not expect comments on what the paper is telling us?
However, as stated previously, all comments relating to any active court cases will be removed from unrelated articles.
A newspaper's role is to report news and The Argus will not ignore major news stories.
VegasSeagull
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6:11pm Thu 24 Jan 13
Sarah Booker Lewis wrote:Ok hun, I get it.
VegasSeagull wrote: Sarah would it not be a good idea to remove the daily coverage from this site and by doing so, remove the temptation and ability to comment? The paper is putting the info out there so would you not expect comments on what the paper is telling us?Commenting is not enabled on any news stories related to court cases as required by law. However, as stated previously, all comments relating to any active court cases will be removed from unrelated articles. A newspaper's role is to report news and The Argus will not ignore major news stories.
Thanks for replying.
saraman
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6:18pm Thu 24 Jan 13
VegasSeagull wrote:Nice one Vegas.
saraman wrote: A discussion has just taken place on BBC Radio4 about away ticket prices. It is proposed a maximum of £20 nationwide as a reward and recognition to away supporters for being the most loyal to their respective clubs. I for one would be inclined to attend a few away games at that price. Would anybody else?Any chance on getting discount flights to go along with that discount away game ticket, I don't need a hotel room.
Hovite
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6:18pm Thu 24 Jan 13
mikeygit
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6:24pm Thu 24 Jan 13
tinker111
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6:27pm Thu 24 Jan 13
Tommy11 wrote:Barnes & Lopes played that combo when both right backs were injured and did a fine job ,do you watch the games? know more about football than you will ever know ps wont sink to name calling
tinker111 wrote:Barnes on right?? you must meen Buckley you nutcase.
Croft no miss better than him available Bruno well LOPAS /Barnes combo is the best we have on right side so no worries
Hovite
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6:27pm Thu 24 Jan 13
What these very words, or were you polite about it?
Hovite
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6:28pm Thu 24 Jan 13
Hovite wrote:Meant for mikeygit
Sorry you wrote him an email asking him to come clean?
What these very words, or were you polite about it?
WisdomSpeaks
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6:40pm Thu 24 Jan 13
CMS certainly hasn't seemed to be his usual bubbly self of late and if Leeds wish to avoid backlash from fans they, like many clubs, can 'encourage' the player to put in a transfer request so they can then claim to 'reluctantly agree'. Becchio would fit the South American/Spanish revolution we are witnessing here as well.
Interesting to see what transpires.
namgo49
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6:43pm Thu 24 Jan 13
Albion23 wrote:There is something odd here, it should be just a formality but clearly this is not the case.
Seems Leo,s paperwork keeps getting put at the bottom of the pile. I would suggest. What other good reason could thiere be.?
Hopefully he was bought subject to all the formalities for him to play here having been completed otherwise it's a case of can we have our money back please.
It must something to do with his ownership. The FA won't want another Tevez situation and are therefore taking their time to check with all the right people.
Wouldn't surprise me if the whole thing went belly up.
markymark03
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6:55pm Thu 24 Jan 13
highlight of my day! :)
OxfordshireSeagull
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7:00pm Thu 24 Jan 13
saraman
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7:00pm Thu 24 Jan 13
Hovite wrote:I just love you Hovite. I was thinking the same thing but you beat me to it. She seems to me to be a very lovely lass and doing a very good job. Is somebody up all night monitoring these posts because I often post in the early hours. Insomnia is what you call it, or is it amnesia. I can't remember
Sarah is Vegas legally allowed to call you hun?
saraman
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7:04pm Thu 24 Jan 13
Hovite
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7:12pm Thu 24 Jan 13
saraman wrote:Our dearest little sweet rose petal lol
Hovite wrote:I just love you Hovite. I was thinking the same thing but you beat me to it. She seems to me to be a very lovely lass and doing a very good job. Is somebody up all night monitoring these posts because I often post in the early hours. Insomnia is what you call it, or is it amnesia. I can't remember
Sarah is Vegas legally allowed to call you hun?
Sorry Sarah ;o)
WisdomSpeaks
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7:16pm Thu 24 Jan 13
SMF20
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7:23pm Thu 24 Jan 13
We are a professional bunch these days and I do not believe for one second that our management team would not have dotted every I and crossed every T before announcing his arrival.
My guess is that all of the hold ups are purely administrative... Think about everything we go through when we move home and how many people, banks, utility companies need to be contacted. It's endless and very painful.
Now think how many people will be involved when you not only move home but move country, on top of this you have now dual citizenship and those documents have only just arrived. There will be issues in both South America and Spain to deal with, there will be Almeria and the Spanish and English Fa to deal with. It really isn't an easy paperwork exercise.
It could of course be a third party :) very much doubt it though.
Never a dull moment supporting the Albion.
WisdomSpeaks
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7:32pm Thu 24 Jan 13
WisdomSpeaks
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7:43pm Thu 24 Jan 13
VegasSeagull
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7:48pm Thu 24 Jan 13
There isn't a problem with Ulloa's paper work, given time it will go through.
Hovite
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8:20pm Thu 24 Jan 13
You are one of them now, withholding information, how dare you, double standards Vegas.
mikeygit
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8:23pm Thu 24 Jan 13
VegasSeagull
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8:29pm Thu 24 Jan 13
Hovite wrote:So cruel Hovite.
Well done, but now you've got your friend on the inside, you're not going to go into detail without permission from the club? You are one of them now, withholding information, how dare you, double standards Vegas.
The thing is I did get a reply from Mr. Barber, he explained the delay.
I think it would be wrong of me to disclose the content of a person to person communication without Mr. Barber agreeing.
I am satisfied that the hold up is not a problem and that things are proceeding.
tonytowner1
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8:32pm Thu 24 Jan 13
Old Scrote of the Amex
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8:34pm Thu 24 Jan 13
VegasSeagull wrote:Fair enough, Vegas. I doubt he is expecting you to keep it secret unless he specifically told you not to spread it (unlikely), but fair enough.
Hovite wrote:So cruel Hovite.
Well done, but now you've got your friend on the inside, you're not going to go into detail without permission from the club? You are one of them now, withholding information, how dare you, double standards Vegas.
The thing is I did get a reply from Mr. Barber, he explained the delay.
I think it would be wrong of me to disclose the content of a person to person communication without Mr. Barber agreeing.
I am satisfied that the hold up is not a problem and that things are proceeding.
Hovite
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8:58pm Thu 24 Jan 13
mikeygit wrote:Maybe Gus should give Vegas a call?
Hovite--in answer to your question--I am always polite!!! No point in doing otherwise. But according to the post above Radio Sussex has information that Ulloa will NOT be ready for Sat---the plot does thicken. 'Given time the paperwork will go thru' By the way Gus is talking he does not know this?? How much time have we got.
hannover seagull
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9:58pm Thu 24 Jan 13
Sorry Adam
UTA..............
VegasSeagull
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10:25pm Thu 24 Jan 13
I really can't make my mind up for the rest of the 11.
VegasSeagull
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10:31pm Thu 24 Jan 13
Any thoughts, anyone?
Hovite
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10:47pm Thu 24 Jan 13
I think if Gus did that, he would get slammed on here.
SA Seagull
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11:46pm Thu 24 Jan 13
Captain Haddock
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11:56pm Thu 24 Jan 13
Hovite wrote:He's one of them. Burn him!
Well done, but now you've got your friend on the inside, you're not going to go into detail without permission from the club? You are one of them now, withholding information, how dare you, double standards Vegas.
Hugothepug
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8:37am Fri 25 Jan 13
WisdomSpeaks wrote:Good shout!!
Just heard the news about Becchio handing in transfer request. I'm wondering if we are about to witness a Becchio/CMS swap deal before the deadline. CMS certainly hasn't seemed to be his usual bubbly self of late and if Leeds wish to avoid backlash from fans they, like many clubs, can 'encourage' the player to put in a transfer request so they can then claim to 'reluctantly agree'. Becchio would fit the South American/Spanish revolution we are witnessing here as well. Interesting to see what transpires.
thought the very same when I heard. Think there may be some miles in this one.
Value about the same?
Anyone be happy with this?
olebut
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12:04pm Fri 25 Jan 13
Gus will pick the best team he thinks will beat Arsenal from those available and then it is up to the lads on the pitch
In Gus We Trust
Clean Sheet says...
11:26am Thu 24 Jan 13
Interesting that Ulloa is not yet cleared to play, but i'm not sure he would go straight into the team for Saturday.