Oatway and Jones charged by FA (From The Argus)

Over to you mr Poyet, you said you would contest this charge most vigorously

From the photo it would appear that Jones has his hand raised, not Charlie. From a previous thread Gus is going to have a field day with this one. About time we stood up to these inept officials.

Just the FA trying to get more money for nothing!!!! As Usual.

raymondo999 wrote:
Over to you mr Poyet, you said you would contest this charge most vigorously

He'll be wasting his time. Those inept idiots at the FA simply don't give a ****.

Charlies gonna getcha!!

Inevitable in spite of Gus' "We don't even expect to get a letter". No point protesting all that counts is what the referee says. Pay the fine take the ban.

I have seen a lot of comment about the cheeky chappie's ability and attitude.

It sticks in the mind his performance with CMS on Soccer AM which I thought was disgraceful and so disrespectful to his player. May be time for a contract review. Someone a bit more thoughtful and tactically aware. Wilkins comes to mind.

It's no big deal if he gets a ban, but didn't sound a big deal on the pitch tbh. Smallish fine?

Looking at the bigger picture, I'm not too worried about Saturday's result.

Wednesday are now a big strong outfit and we had a vulnerable makeshift defence. Upson is still yet to assimilate himself with the team, Kus' is having a little bit of a wobbly spell which he WILL get over and in general it was just one of those days.

Ashley let us all down with his red card, - perhaps Gus could be held partly accountable in not reading the situation and subbing him off before things got to that stage. However that would be quite harsh on Gus seeing as it was a very early stage in the game to be making a substitution.

We remain five points from the play-offs, so if Middlesbrough are destined to be the team we will need to overhaul then there's no harm done. However if it is Hull, Watford, Palace, Leicester or Watford that we need to overhaul to get sixth place, then we have indeed weakened our position. Who knows? For now I remain philosophical and still positive for our potential this season.

As far as the state and balance of the team is concerned, I share We Plough And Mow's views from a few threads back (sorry, I've been off here for another 10 days and am playing catch-up again!):


"Weploughandmow says...
12:20pm Sun 3 Feb 13

I was at the game yesterday and truth is Wednesday aren't a bad side (as their recent results testify). Strong, muscular and quite physical, and a long way from the team that was beaten at teh Amex earlier in the season. They have strengthened through loans this month too (including the scorers of the first two goals and the stand-out player on the day Helan, on loan from Man City). It remains to be seen whether our new players setlle in as well or as quickly to the rigours of the English League.
the key question is whether lessons are learned. El-Abd had to play on the right of the centre-back pairing to accommodate Upson, rather than his normal left position, and was exposed for space and speed. Ulloa needs to show some muscle as he won't get the help from referees in this country that he is probably used to getting in Spain. Bridge and calderon were kept pretty deep by their wide players.
In the second half of the season clubs are going to know how Brighton like to play and it seems that we're quite easy to nullify if an opposing side is fit and well-organised. Thus we need to do something different - could be two up front, could be Vicente, could be two wingers to give us more options going forward and get more balls in the box more quickly for whoever our striker(s) is/ are.
We're a long way behind top two which for me is a bit worrying. But on the other hand we're quite capable of getting 34 points from the last 17 games, which would have us finishing on 76 points which would have meant a play-off place last year and probably will this year. It's certainly points that matter not league position at this stage, and we need to up our average from here on in. That means setting ourselves up to score goals I think, rather than not conceding. Agree with the point made elsewhere that we look more likley to score when Dicker is the team.

FAO Ballantrrae, re: this post:

"Barnes's suspension will provide someone else with an opportunity.
Obviously Buckley hadn't recovered from his hanstring problem since he didn't make the squad and presumably Bruno wasn't fit enough to start.
Regarding Kuszczak, Poyet 'resting' him for the Arsenal game doesn't make for continuity. However if he is given a run I feel confident he will return to the form he has displayed earlier this year especially once Upson has had a chance to 'settle in'.
Upson will need a couple more games to become match sharp and to build an understanding with Kuszczak, the rest of the back 4 and Bridcutt. I hope all the fans, myself included, will be patient.
I suspect that GG was missed more on Saturday than one imagined he might be. His leadership and organisational abilities I think are often underated. His understanding of how we defend might have prevented the first Wednesday goal since he might have anticipated the danger Lita posed in that situation.
Whilst I thought we had a good window generally speaking (Ulloa and Upson in, Bridcutt retained) I was disappointed we didn't acquire a powerhouse midfielder. Perhaps such a signing is for the future as perhaps might van Dijk be as well.
Thoughts anyone?"



I agree with your analysis and think it astute. This includes the discussion of Greer, though I DO think he has his limitations and will need "upgrading" in the course of time. I still think that Van Dijk would be an excellent acquisition an we should pursue him in the summer months.

Yes, that was a thoughtful and intelligent post that you have highlighted.
It has struck me over the last few weeks that every time Dicker is introduced, he never wastes a pass and moreover, looks to pass quickly. I'd like to see much more of him.
Ulloa has now been here in full training for a couple of weeks, plus two matches with significant match time - I would expect his fitness level to be pretty decent now and to have 'toughened up' for two very hard upcoming matches.

wiseman of hove wrote:
Yes, that was a thoughtful and intelligent post that you have highlighted.
It has struck me over the last few weeks that every time Dicker is introduced, he never wastes a pass and moreover, looks to pass quickly. I'd like to see much more of him.
Ulloa has now been here in full training for a couple of weeks, plus two matches with significant match time - I would expect his fitness level to be pretty decent now and to have 'toughened up' for two very hard upcoming matches.

in response to Captain Haddock

I think we need a sprinkling of reality dust. Yes, if we string a good run together, which we are quite capable of doing, and have done so in the past, then we could squeeze into the play offs. A fantastic result for us. To win the play offs and go up I don't think is realistic from where we are now, unless our run gains legs as we get through into May and become the form side in the top 6. The play offs for me are about momentum. However, we must remember that there are a lot a very good, more experienced sides in the Championship than Brighton. All those clubs above us are experience Championship sides, most of which have been in the Premier League. Below us there are the teams that dropped down last year. Blackburn paid £8 mil for Rhodes. Can we compete with that? Birmingham have turned down bids of £4 mil for a couple of their players, having taken £4 mil for their keeper. Can we compete with that. Don't get me wrong, I am delighted with Brightons progress, and also the investment in the future. We have a fantastic stadium, great Chairman and Manager, and a training academy that is going to be the business. I can wait for a season or two to take the next step, and enjoy the bumpy ride on route.

I think that on the whole with the FA in a siyuation like this you are either wrong or wrong. The punishment will enable you to judge the severity of it.

There have been a number of comments regarding Oatways contribution to the team and it is something I myself have pondered but none of us really know the answer to that one. I cannot see T B paying out money for someone who does not contribute and if at any stage he thinks he has become a liability he will be gone.

Barnes is now out for three games which will give others the opportunity to stake a claim for a place. It will be interesting to see if once his ban is over he reverts to being an automatic choice. I really struggle to remember a player who has quite so divided opinion amongst supporters. What is without question is that he has a streak within him that is easily triggered and he needs to bring it under control.

I have no interest in this story. If Jones get a ban and or fine so what. If Charlie gets a ban or fine , so what.

Captain Haddock wrote:
It's no big deal if he gets a ban, but didn't sound a big deal on the pitch tbh. Smallish fine?

Looking at the bigger picture, I'm not too worried about Saturday's result.

Wednesday are now a big strong outfit and we had a vulnerable makeshift defence. Upson is still yet to assimilate himself with the team, Kus' is having a little bit of a wobbly spell which he WILL get over and in general it was just one of those days.

Ashley let us all down with his red card, - perhaps Gus could be held partly accountable in not reading the situation and subbing him off before things got to that stage. However that would be quite harsh on Gus seeing as it was a very early stage in the game to be making a substitution.

We remain five points from the play-offs, so if Middlesbrough are destined to be the team we will need to overhaul then there's no harm done. However if it is Hull, Watford, Palace, Leicester or Watford that we need to overhaul to get sixth place, then we have indeed weakened our position. Who knows? For now I remain philosophical and still positive for our potential this season.

Captain Haddock a good assessment of where we are and what we have to do.
You clearly feel that Watford will be hard to 'get past' since you mention them twice ! I was most impressed with them when they came to the Amex.
Saturday's match should interesting and might provide a clue as to how the rest of the season might pan out.

VegasSeagull wrote:
I have no interest in this story. If Jones get a ban and or fine so what. If Charlie gets a ban or fine , so what.

Why comment then?? Surely this is a relevant piece of reporting as it relates to the last match the Albion played in and concerns a senior member of the teams coaching staff .I have an interest as I'm sure other fans do to. The headline of the piece tells you what its going to be about so if it bores you dont read it!!!!

Always thought Charlie would be better suited for the















The way things are going we wont miss Charlie that much if he gets a ban

What we need is a linguist

UTA.............

hannover seagull wrote:
Always thought Charlie would be better suited for the















The way things are going we wont miss Charlie that much if he gets a ban

What we need is a linguist

UTA.............

Sorry
Post seems to have got carved up along the way

kentgull2 wrote:

VegasSeagull wrote:
I have no interest in this story. If Jones get a ban and or fine so what. If Charlie gets a ban or fine , so what.

Why comment then?? Surely this is a relevant piece of reporting as it relates to the last match the Albion played in and concerns a senior member of the teams coaching staff .I have an interest as I'm sure other fans do to. The headline of the piece tells you what its going to be about so if it bores you dont read it!!!!

Precisely!

Clean Sheet, a good assessment of where the club is right now. I think some people forget that this is only our second season back in the Championship.

The problem is the competition isn't going to get any easier next season. In fact, given that the relegated and promoted clubs are not faring too well this term, it's likely to be a lot harder.

So, basically, you have to grab your chance when it presents itself, especially when you have the quality of players (i.e. Wayne Bridge) that we have now, but may not have in 2013-14.

Two points from away games at Birmingham, Blackburn and Sheff Weds is well short of promotion form. I think the odds are against us making the play-offs now.

Tony Bloom has invested a lot in the current squad. Okay, so it's no on a par with the likes of Blackburn who can spend eight million on a striker, but it's still a tidy investment.

Like you, I'm happy with the progress the club is making. But with the depth of the current squad - and the fact that we have been reasonably fortunate with injuries so far - I can't help feeling we should be five or six points better off right now.

was ashamed to be a brighton fan last sat when a few started singing the dave jones songs esp the joe 90 lookalike you hang your head in shame as for jones and oatway it liiked like handbags there were about 20 stewards who steamed in

bruce beckett wrote:
Clean Sheet, a good assessment of where the club is right now. I think some people forget that this is only our second season back in the Championship.

The problem is the competition isn't going to get any easier next season. In fact, given that the relegated and promoted clubs are not faring too well this term, it's likely to be a lot harder.

So, basically, you have to grab your chance when it presents itself, especially when you have the quality of players (i.e. Wayne Bridge) that we have now, but may not have in 2013-14.

Two points from away games at Birmingham, Blackburn and Sheff Weds is well short of promotion form. I think the odds are against us making the play-offs now.

Tony Bloom has invested a lot in the current squad. Okay, so it's no on a par with the likes of Blackburn who can spend eight million on a striker, but it's still a tidy investment.

Like you, I'm happy with the progress the club is making. But with the depth of the current squad - and the fact that we have been reasonably fortunate with injuries so far - I can't help feeling we should be five or six points better off right now.

Another good assessment of the current situation.
The manager has, with excellent backing from the chairman/board, assembled an impressive squad - it's a squad that I really feel should have seen us sitting comfortably now in the top six - and not praying for three points on saturday. I think it's only 5 wins in the last twenty or so league matches? However, two home wins now and optimism returns.

wiseman of hove wrote:

bruce beckett wrote:
Clean Sheet, a good assessment of where the club is right now. I think some people forget that this is only our second season back in the Championship.

The problem is the competition isn't going to get any easier next season. In fact, given that the relegated and promoted clubs are not faring too well this term, it's likely to be a lot harder.

So, basically, you have to grab your chance when it presents itself, especially when you have the quality of players (i.e. Wayne Bridge) that we have now, but may not have in 2013-14.

Two points from away games at Birmingham, Blackburn and Sheff Weds is well short of promotion form. I think the odds are against us making the play-offs now.

Tony Bloom has invested a lot in the current squad. Okay, so it's no on a par with the likes of Blackburn who can spend eight million on a striker, but it's still a tidy investment.

Like you, I'm happy with the progress the club is making. But with the depth of the current squad - and the fact that we have been reasonably fortunate with injuries so far - I can't help feeling we should be five or six points better off right now.

Another good assessment of the current situation.
The manager has, with excellent backing from the chairman/board, assembled an impressive squad - it's a squad that I really feel should have seen us sitting comfortably now in the top six - and not praying for three points on saturday. I think it's only 5 wins in the last twenty or so league matches? However, two home wins now and optimism returns.

Guys, I agree with all this, and of course we could easily be 6 points better off. However, my point is, even if we make the play offs, we have no God given right to promotion. I think some on here have an unrealistic level of expectation.

Agree Clean Sheet, my personal goal is just to reach the play offs, or at least still have it in sight on the last game of the season.

Good posts today

damien hilton wrote:
was ashamed to be a brighton fan last sat when a few started singing the dave jones songs esp the joe 90 lookalike you hang your head in shame as for jones and oatway it liiked like handbags there were about 20 stewards who steamed in

Well said DH. It amazes me how some of these morons would manage to catch the supporters' coaches if they didn't have their mum handy to drop them off. Juvenile, small-minded cretins who can't even come up with their own original abusive chants to keep them and their Neanderthal mates amused. Pathetic.

Charlie is a dinosaur.
He comes from a era that we have moved on from.

Oddly enough I think we will not only beat Hull but beat them in a decent fashion.

My thinking is this, we played a depleted Newcastle and made them look ordinary. We played a good Arsenal eleven and matched them. We have not beaten a team above us, it's about time we did. The better the opposition the better we play, and as I say, we are overdue a win over one of the top teams.

We know there will be some changes with Barnes banned and Bruno fit again and a bad result for us is often followed by a good one.


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albionbloke wrote:

kentgull2 wrote:

VegasSeagull wrote: I have no interest in this story. If Jones get a ban and or fine so what. If Charlie gets a ban or fine , so what.

Why comment then?? Surely this is a relevant piece of reporting as it relates to the last match the Albion played in and concerns a senior member of the teams coaching staff .I have an interest as I'm sure other fans do to. The headline of the piece tells you what its going to be about so if it bores you dont read it!!!!

Precisely!

agreed

ballantrrae wrote:

Captain Haddock wrote:
It's no big deal if he gets a ban, but didn't sound a big deal on the pitch tbh. Smallish fine?

Looking at the bigger picture, I'm not too worried about Saturday's result.

Wednesday are now a big strong outfit and we had a vulnerable makeshift defence. Upson is still yet to assimilate himself with the team, Kus' is having a little bit of a wobbly spell which he WILL get over and in general it was just one of those days.

Ashley let us all down with his red card, - perhaps Gus could be held partly accountable in not reading the situation and subbing him off before things got to that stage. However that would be quite harsh on Gus seeing as it was a very early stage in the game to be making a substitution.

We remain five points from the play-offs, so if Middlesbrough are destined to be the team we will need to overhaul then there's no harm done. However if it is Hull, Watford, Palace, Leicester or Watford that we need to overhaul to get sixth place, then we have indeed weakened our position. Who knows? For now I remain philosophical and still positive for our potential this season.

Captain Haddock a good assessment of where we are and what we have to do.
You clearly feel that Watford will be hard to 'get past' since you mention them twice ! I was most impressed with them when they came to the Amex.
Saturday's match should interesting and might provide a clue as to how the rest of the season might pan out.

Haha! Oh yes. Well Watford seemed to be everywhere in that game so maybe there is two lots of 'em to get past!!!

VegasSeagull wrote:

albionbloke wrote:

kentgull2 wrote:

VegasSeagull wrote: I have no interest in this story. If Jones get a ban and or fine so what. If Charlie gets a ban or fine , so what.

Why comment then?? Surely this is a relevant piece of reporting as it relates to the last match the Albion played in and concerns a senior member of the teams coaching staff .I have an interest as I'm sure other fans do to. The headline of the piece tells you what its going to be about so if it bores you dont read it!!!!

Precisely!

agreed

VEGAS -- Sometimes a closed mouth catches no flies.

Proof if proof is needed that the FA is good for... well FA actually !!!

Maybe the Argus would like to consider introducing a Twitter like feature limiting posts to a maximum n° of characters - maybe higher than the 140 of Twitter but a figure of 250 se

Jonathan Mouette wrote:
Proof if proof is needed that the FA is good for... well FA actually !!!

Maybe the Argus would like to consider introducing a Twitter like feature limiting posts to a maximum n° of characters - maybe higher than the 140 of Twitter but a figure of 250 se

Great idea. I read this site everyday from wherever in the world I happen to be (I travel a lot for my business) but some of the contributors like to monopolise the debate as if they believe we are all as interested in reading what they have to say as they are about saying it. Concisely expressed opinions carry more weight, I believe.

Yorkieseagull wrote:

damien hilton wrote:
was ashamed to be a brighton fan last sat when a few started singing the dave jones songs esp the joe 90 lookalike you hang your head in shame as for jones and oatway it liiked like handbags there were about 20 stewards who steamed in

Well said DH. It amazes me how some of these morons would manage to catch the supporters' coaches if they didn't have their mum handy to drop them off. Juvenile, small-minded cretins who can't even come up with their own original abusive chants to keep them and their Neanderthal mates amused. Pathetic.

Sounds pretty much like the majority of the north stand to me, and as for that growl when the opposition goalkeeper takes his kicks...it's soooooo second division

No matter what Gus said at the time--I guess this had an inevitability about it, it will be dealt with and we will move on--Gus will be wasting his time arguing the point with the FA--Gus has more important issues to deal with
Off topic I see our friend to al---l Fergie is getting preferencial treatment. Hodgson has said he will 'treat the four Man U players selected for the Brazil game, gently'!!! Are all the other Club managers likewise going to have their players treated gently?? Not much of a game then?? Why, because Man U have special games coming up should they get preferencial treatment---almost as if Hodgson is saying 'I want Man U to win the title and I will help them to do it'

Yorkieseagull wrote:

Jonathan Mouette wrote:
Proof if proof is needed that the FA is good for... well FA actually !!!

Maybe the Argus would like to consider introducing a Twitter like feature limiting posts to a maximum n° of characters - maybe higher than the 140 of Twitter but a figure of 250 se

Great idea. I read this site everyday from wherever in the world I happen to be (I travel a lot for my business) but some of the contributors like to monopolise the debate as if they believe we are all as interested in reading what they have to say as they are about saying it. Concisely expressed opinions carry more weight, I believe.

Thaks Yorkie for your 331 character contribution... I ran out at 250 ha ha! Slow morning as you can see.

Jonathan Mouette wrote:

Yorkieseagull wrote:

Jonathan Mouette wrote:
Proof if proof is needed that the FA is good for... well FA actually !!!

Maybe the Argus would like to consider introducing a Twitter like feature limiting posts to a maximum n° of characters - maybe higher than the 140 of Twitter but a figure of 250 se

Great idea. I read this site everyday from wherever in the world I happen to be (I travel a lot for my business) but some of the contributors like to monopolise the debate as if they believe we are all as interested in reading what they have to say as they are about saying it. Concisely expressed opinions carry more weight, I believe.

Thaks Yorkie for your 331 character contribution... I ran out at 250 ha ha! Slow morning as you can see.

Perhaps the limit should be 350 characters.

Charlie`s always been a headstrong type,but he sticks up for our lads,and right or wrong thats good enough for me!.

I agree that our position needs to change drastically if were going to make the POs,and i believe we will beat Hull,but only if Gus puts the right team out,and plays them in the right positions.

I know we have to get there first,but going back to the PO Final against Bristol City,we had been second best in both games against Swindon in the semi,and weren`t brilliant in the final,but we got our promotion all be it short lived.

I dont mind if we stumble over the line,so long as we get there,we can worry about the POs then,and hopefully a winning Wembley final. UTA

ballantrrae wrote:

Jonathan Mouette wrote:

Yorkieseagull wrote:

Jonathan Mouette wrote:
Proof if proof is needed that the FA is good for... well FA actually !!!

Maybe the Argus would like to consider introducing a Twitter like feature limiting posts to a maximum n° of characters - maybe higher than the 140 of Twitter but a figure of 250 se

Great idea. I read this site everyday from wherever in the world I happen to be (I travel a lot for my business) but some of the contributors like to monopolise the debate as if they believe we are all as interested in reading what they have to say as they are about saying it. Concisely expressed opinions carry more weight, I believe.

Thaks Yorkie for your 331 character contribution... I ran out at 250 ha ha! Slow morning as you can see.

Perhaps the limit should be 350 characters.

Abslutly, cldnt agree mre!

namgo49 wrote:
Inevitable in spite of Gus' "We don't even expect to get a letter". No point protesting all that counts is what the referee says. Pay the fine take the ban.

I have seen a lot of comment about the cheeky chappie's ability and attitude.

It sticks in the mind his performance with CMS on Soccer AM which I thought was disgraceful and so disrespectful to his player. May be time for a contract review. Someone a bit more thoughtful and tactically aware. Wilkins comes to mind.

G8t post.100% spot on.

hubby wrote:
Charlie is a dinosaur.
He comes from a era that we have moved on from.

Outstanding post.Thank you.