Amex form key for Albion

The Argus: Grounds for improvement. Albion need better results at The Amex to go up. Grounds for improvement. Albion need better results at The Amex to go up.

Belief is building that Albion can mount another Championship promotion challenge.

They have climbed to eighth, their highest position of the season, and Oscar Garcia has several key players back in contention after injury.

The outlook is encouraging heading into four matches in 12 days over the festive period.

One word of caution though as the Seagulls prepare to host Huddersfield at The Amex. Their home form will almost certainly have to improve to make it into the Premier League.

Of the 30 clubs promoted from the Championship in the last ten seasons, only two (West Ham 2011-12) and Watford (2005-06) have gone up with a better away record than at home.

They both got there through the play-offs, not automatically. In other words, a strong home record is pretty much a must.

West Ham's relatively modest form at Upton Park two seasons ago can be attributed to them being the big scalp in the division that year, so opponents raised their game.

Albion are not the big scalp in the Championship but they face a similar problem in terms of the opponents' mindset. The Amex is a lovely stadium with an inviting pitch - lovely and inviting for visitors too.

The support, although numerically top of the table, is not intimidating either, so The Amex is a nice place for teams to come and play.

That culture needs to change. It is too easy for opponents to avoid returning home empty-handed.

Six out of ten of them so far have gone away with something, a point or three.

Albion's early defeat at The Amex by Derby can be forgiven. Oscar was still getting his feet under the table then but the Seagulls capitulated in the second half against Nottingham Forest and were dismal earlier this month in that shock defeat by Barnsley.

Even with the uplifting win over Leicester which followed they have dropped ten points out of the last 18 at The Amex.

It is quite a contrast to their exceptional record away from home. They have lost just once since the opening day of the season and are currently unbeaten in five matches on their travels.

They have kept clean sheets at Reading, QPR, Wigan and Middlesbrough, which is no mean feat. The dig-in win at Boro last Saturday has lifted their away points tally to 16, one more than they have collected at The Amex.

History and common sense suggests the balance needs redressing.

It can happen, especially if Albion start as positively as they have in the last two games after their subdued opening against Barnsley. Fast starts will inspire the crowd.

The blueprint is there. Albion's form under Gus Poyet at The Amex in the first half of last season was sketchy as well before a ten-match unbeaten run after Christmas became instrumental in a top six finish.

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3:15pm Thu 19 Dec 13

9 of us says...

Hardly one word of caution that article.

I never knew we have been so poor at home this season. Best you tell the Manager what you have discovered. I bet he never knew that either.
Hardly one word of caution that article. I never knew we have been so poor at home this season. Best you tell the Manager what you have discovered. I bet he never knew that either. 9 of us

3:32pm Thu 19 Dec 13

VegasSeagull says...

The occasional blip will happen to every team in this division, just as many shock wins will occur also, Barnsley was our blip. As Andy says the Derby match can be forgiven but we have no excuses regarding the Forest match.
Oscar's availability of senior players is building, and there are more to come, this has to bode well for ALL our matches.
The crowd can and must play a bigger role, 90+ minutes of loud vocal support will affect our visitors. Our recent performances should dispel the thought that Barnes taking a penalty is something to fear, or Brez between the sticks can somehow be seen as a weakness. Confidence on the terraces transmits to the players on the park, just as much as the negative groans do.

I feel sure that the manner in which we played against Leicester will be the norm from now on, we will press higher up the field and we will fight to get the ball back quickly when a pass goes astray. The work rate level we showed against Leicester was probably the highest it has been against any team coming to the Amex, this has to continue because that is how we will win home matches. Yeah, David made two pin point passes that led to two goals, but it was the work of others that made it possible for him to make those passes.
The occasional blip will happen to every team in this division, just as many shock wins will occur also, Barnsley was our blip. As Andy says the Derby match can be forgiven but we have no excuses regarding the Forest match. Oscar's availability of senior players is building, and there are more to come, this has to bode well for ALL our matches. The crowd can and must play a bigger role, 90+ minutes of loud vocal support will affect our visitors. Our recent performances should dispel the thought that Barnes taking a penalty is something to fear, or Brez between the sticks can somehow be seen as a weakness. Confidence on the terraces transmits to the players on the park, just as much as the negative groans do. I feel sure that the manner in which we played against Leicester will be the norm from now on, we will press higher up the field and we will fight to get the ball back quickly when a pass goes astray. The work rate level we showed against Leicester was probably the highest it has been against any team coming to the Amex, this has to continue because that is how we will win home matches. Yeah, David made two pin point passes that led to two goals, but it was the work of others that made it possible for him to make those passes. VegasSeagull

3:36pm Thu 19 Dec 13

graham w says...

Another NON story.. why does the argus do it , stop telling us what we already know..........
Another NON story.. why does the argus do it , stop telling us what we already know.......... graham w

3:46pm Thu 19 Dec 13

graham w says...

vegas now that was a good article, and spot on re the leicester game..well done ..
vegas now that was a good article, and spot on re the leicester game..well done .. graham w

3:52pm Thu 19 Dec 13

Gee Jay says...

We can't do much about anything except the noise and vocal intimidation at the Amex.
We must all play our part, and if we could reproduce the noise level of our supporters at away games into the Amex the effect would be thunderous.
We can't do much about anything except the noise and vocal intimidation at the Amex. We must all play our part, and if we could reproduce the noise level of our supporters at away games into the Amex the effect would be thunderous. Gee Jay

4:25pm Thu 19 Dec 13

Thewithdeanyears says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
The occasional blip will happen to every team in this division, just as many shock wins will occur also, Barnsley was our blip. As Andy says the Derby match can be forgiven but we have no excuses regarding the Forest match.
Oscar's availability of senior players is building, and there are more to come, this has to bode well for ALL our matches.
The crowd can and must play a bigger role, 90+ minutes of loud vocal support will affect our visitors. Our recent performances should dispel the thought that Barnes taking a penalty is something to fear, or Brez between the sticks can somehow be seen as a weakness. Confidence on the terraces transmits to the players on the park, just as much as the negative groans do.

I feel sure that the manner in which we played against Leicester will be the norm from now on, we will press higher up the field and we will fight to get the ball back quickly when a pass goes astray. The work rate level we showed against Leicester was probably the highest it has been against any team coming to the Amex, this has to continue because that is how we will win home matches. Yeah, David made two pin point passes that led to two goals, but it was the work of others that made it possible for him to make those passes.
Stop telling those who attend what they must or must not be doing, while you mess about in casinos and point fingers.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: The occasional blip will happen to every team in this division, just as many shock wins will occur also, Barnsley was our blip. As Andy says the Derby match can be forgiven but we have no excuses regarding the Forest match. Oscar's availability of senior players is building, and there are more to come, this has to bode well for ALL our matches. The crowd can and must play a bigger role, 90+ minutes of loud vocal support will affect our visitors. Our recent performances should dispel the thought that Barnes taking a penalty is something to fear, or Brez between the sticks can somehow be seen as a weakness. Confidence on the terraces transmits to the players on the park, just as much as the negative groans do. I feel sure that the manner in which we played against Leicester will be the norm from now on, we will press higher up the field and we will fight to get the ball back quickly when a pass goes astray. The work rate level we showed against Leicester was probably the highest it has been against any team coming to the Amex, this has to continue because that is how we will win home matches. Yeah, David made two pin point passes that led to two goals, but it was the work of others that made it possible for him to make those passes.[/p][/quote]Stop telling those who attend what they must or must not be doing, while you mess about in casinos and point fingers. Thewithdeanyears

4:36pm Thu 19 Dec 13

VegasSeagull says...

Thewithdeanyears wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
The occasional blip will happen to every team in this division, just as many shock wins will occur also, Barnsley was our blip. As Andy says the Derby match can be forgiven but we have no excuses regarding the Forest match.
Oscar's availability of senior players is building, and there are more to come, this has to bode well for ALL our matches.
The crowd can and must play a bigger role, 90+ minutes of loud vocal support will affect our visitors. Our recent performances should dispel the thought that Barnes taking a penalty is something to fear, or Brez between the sticks can somehow be seen as a weakness. Confidence on the terraces transmits to the players on the park, just as much as the negative groans do.

I feel sure that the manner in which we played against Leicester will be the norm from now on, we will press higher up the field and we will fight to get the ball back quickly when a pass goes astray. The work rate level we showed against Leicester was probably the highest it has been against any team coming to the Amex, this has to continue because that is how we will win home matches. Yeah, David made two pin point passes that led to two goals, but it was the work of others that made it possible for him to make those passes.
Stop telling those who attend what they must or must not be doing, while you mess about in casinos and point fingers.
yes dear
[quote][p][bold]Thewithdeanyears[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: The occasional blip will happen to every team in this division, just as many shock wins will occur also, Barnsley was our blip. As Andy says the Derby match can be forgiven but we have no excuses regarding the Forest match. Oscar's availability of senior players is building, and there are more to come, this has to bode well for ALL our matches. The crowd can and must play a bigger role, 90+ minutes of loud vocal support will affect our visitors. Our recent performances should dispel the thought that Barnes taking a penalty is something to fear, or Brez between the sticks can somehow be seen as a weakness. Confidence on the terraces transmits to the players on the park, just as much as the negative groans do. I feel sure that the manner in which we played against Leicester will be the norm from now on, we will press higher up the field and we will fight to get the ball back quickly when a pass goes astray. The work rate level we showed against Leicester was probably the highest it has been against any team coming to the Amex, this has to continue because that is how we will win home matches. Yeah, David made two pin point passes that led to two goals, but it was the work of others that made it possible for him to make those passes.[/p][/quote]Stop telling those who attend what they must or must not be doing, while you mess about in casinos and point fingers.[/p][/quote]yes dear VegasSeagull

5:04pm Thu 19 Dec 13

fratsomrover says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
The occasional blip will happen to every team in this division, just as many shock wins will occur also, Barnsley was our blip. As Andy says the Derby match can be forgiven but we have no excuses regarding the Forest match.
Oscar's availability of senior players is building, and there are more to come, this has to bode well for ALL our matches.
The crowd can and must play a bigger role, 90+ minutes of loud vocal support will affect our visitors. Our recent performances should dispel the thought that Barnes taking a penalty is something to fear, or Brez between the sticks can somehow be seen as a weakness. Confidence on the terraces transmits to the players on the park, just as much as the negative groans do.

I feel sure that the manner in which we played against Leicester will be the norm from now on, we will press higher up the field and we will fight to get the ball back quickly when a pass goes astray. The work rate level we showed against Leicester was probably the highest it has been against any team coming to the Amex, this has to continue because that is how we will win home matches. Yeah, David made two pin point passes that led to two goals, but it was the work of others that made it possible for him to make those passes.
I agree a positive and fast start will go a big way in improving our chances of making the play-offs. Against Barnsley, we were abysmal but against Leicester the early goal was critical and settled everyone down.
The Forest defeat was simple due to them being much better than us. We were outplayed by a stronger team on the day.
As for Barnes taking penalties, well I for one dread the thought. Hopefully Ulloa will return and Barnes will be on the bench so that scenario isn't likely to happen. I dont mind Brez playing if Kuz is injured. He's a tall and commanding keeper and had done fine these last two games. I think he gets nervous towards the end of close games, as he got a bit "flappy" towards the end of the Boro match, but generally I prefer him to CA.
Would I prefer David to Buckley, probably not, but then I doubt Oscar will start with both Lua Lua and Buckley on the pitch. Conway's departure (temporary I hope) will give one of these an opportunity to stake a claim for a starting berth, but if he also plans to begin the game with Bridcutt, Ince and Croft, then with Orlandi out, who'll get the nod to be the fourth midfield place out of Kemy, Keith, JFC and David.
I guess with 4 games in such a short period of time, we should count ourselves fortunate to have such an able squad and maybe it will be the quality of our squad that will prove to be just as important as a fast, positive attacking start will be that will reap dividends.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: The occasional blip will happen to every team in this division, just as many shock wins will occur also, Barnsley was our blip. As Andy says the Derby match can be forgiven but we have no excuses regarding the Forest match. Oscar's availability of senior players is building, and there are more to come, this has to bode well for ALL our matches. The crowd can and must play a bigger role, 90+ minutes of loud vocal support will affect our visitors. Our recent performances should dispel the thought that Barnes taking a penalty is something to fear, or Brez between the sticks can somehow be seen as a weakness. Confidence on the terraces transmits to the players on the park, just as much as the negative groans do. I feel sure that the manner in which we played against Leicester will be the norm from now on, we will press higher up the field and we will fight to get the ball back quickly when a pass goes astray. The work rate level we showed against Leicester was probably the highest it has been against any team coming to the Amex, this has to continue because that is how we will win home matches. Yeah, David made two pin point passes that led to two goals, but it was the work of others that made it possible for him to make those passes.[/p][/quote]I agree a positive and fast start will go a big way in improving our chances of making the play-offs. Against Barnsley, we were abysmal but against Leicester the early goal was critical and settled everyone down. The Forest defeat was simple due to them being much better than us. We were outplayed by a stronger team on the day. As for Barnes taking penalties, well I for one dread the thought. Hopefully Ulloa will return and Barnes will be on the bench so that scenario isn't likely to happen. I dont mind Brez playing if Kuz is injured. He's a tall and commanding keeper and had done fine these last two games. I think he gets nervous towards the end of close games, as he got a bit "flappy" towards the end of the Boro match, but generally I prefer him to CA. Would I prefer David to Buckley, probably not, but then I doubt Oscar will start with both Lua Lua and Buckley on the pitch. Conway's departure (temporary I hope) will give one of these an opportunity to stake a claim for a starting berth, but if he also plans to begin the game with Bridcutt, Ince and Croft, then with Orlandi out, who'll get the nod to be the fourth midfield place out of Kemy, Keith, JFC and David. I guess with 4 games in such a short period of time, we should count ourselves fortunate to have such an able squad and maybe it will be the quality of our squad that will prove to be just as important as a fast, positive attacking start will be that will reap dividends. fratsomrover

5:23pm Thu 19 Dec 13

russellsnr says...

Maybe wrong here but after last seasons excellent performance and the fact that we still have most of the players that played then why should we have an article that starts with "Belief is building that Albion can mount another Championship promotion challenge."
I for one always have that belief, always believed that the team I have followed for over 50 years would always improve even when we had no ground to play on still believed and hoped that we would eventually get to the top that's why I follow the Seagulls and will do so until !!!!!!!!
Maybe wrong here but after last seasons excellent performance and the fact that we still have most of the players that played then why should we have an article that starts with "Belief is building that Albion can mount another Championship promotion challenge." I for one always have that belief, always believed that the team I have followed for over 50 years would always improve even when we had no ground to play on still believed and hoped that we would eventually get to the top that's why I follow the Seagulls and will do so until !!!!!!!! russellsnr

5:28pm Thu 19 Dec 13

Clean Sheet says...

This is one of the best articles I have seen in a long time. No messing or brown nosing. The message is correct and clear. We need to avaverage 2 points per game from now on the make the play offs. This means winning 3/4 games at home for the rest of the season, and drawing the 4th. If we win 2/4 away we will get the points required. This is not going to be easy, but is doable.
This is one of the best articles I have seen in a long time. No messing or brown nosing. The message is correct and clear. We need to avaverage 2 points per game from now on the make the play offs. This means winning 3/4 games at home for the rest of the season, and drawing the 4th. If we win 2/4 away we will get the points required. This is not going to be easy, but is doable. Clean Sheet

6:54pm Thu 19 Dec 13

Thewithdeanyears says...

Gee Jay wrote:
We can't do much about anything except the noise and vocal intimidation at the Amex.
We must all play our part, and if we could reproduce the noise level of our supporters at away games into the Amex the effect would be thunderous.
And this is the problem, I see so many jonny come latelys who have been attracted to the new stadium like moths to a light bulb. They enjoy the clean seats, swept walkways and corporate feel of the place without litter, fag butts and chips strewn about. These people however are more than content to sit there and wait to be entertained, rather than make the effort of creating an atmosphere. They don't generally like the rough and ready environment of going to away games which they leave to the hardcore among us. My suggestion is that everyone be issued with vuvuzelas and/or clappers at home games to intimidate the opposition a bit more.
[quote][p][bold]Gee Jay[/bold] wrote: We can't do much about anything except the noise and vocal intimidation at the Amex. We must all play our part, and if we could reproduce the noise level of our supporters at away games into the Amex the effect would be thunderous.[/p][/quote]And this is the problem, I see so many jonny come latelys who have been attracted to the new stadium like moths to a light bulb. They enjoy the clean seats, swept walkways and corporate feel of the place without litter, fag butts and chips strewn about. These people however are more than content to sit there and wait to be entertained, rather than make the effort of creating an atmosphere. They don't generally like the rough and ready environment of going to away games which they leave to the hardcore among us. My suggestion is that everyone be issued with vuvuzelas and/or clappers at home games to intimidate the opposition a bit more. Thewithdeanyears

7:54pm Thu 19 Dec 13

OldGull says...

Thewithdeanyears wrote:
Gee Jay wrote:
We can't do much about anything except the noise and vocal intimidation at the Amex.
We must all play our part, and if we could reproduce the noise level of our supporters at away games into the Amex the effect would be thunderous.
And this is the problem, I see so many jonny come latelys who have been attracted to the new stadium like moths to a light bulb. They enjoy the clean seats, swept walkways and corporate feel of the place without litter, fag butts and chips strewn about. These people however are more than content to sit there and wait to be entertained, rather than make the effort of creating an atmosphere. They don't generally like the rough and ready environment of going to away games which they leave to the hardcore among us. My suggestion is that everyone be issued with vuvuzelas and/or clappers at home games to intimidate the opposition a bit more.
time for your medication
[quote][p][bold]Thewithdeanyears[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gee Jay[/bold] wrote: We can't do much about anything except the noise and vocal intimidation at the Amex. We must all play our part, and if we could reproduce the noise level of our supporters at away games into the Amex the effect would be thunderous.[/p][/quote]And this is the problem, I see so many jonny come latelys who have been attracted to the new stadium like moths to a light bulb. They enjoy the clean seats, swept walkways and corporate feel of the place without litter, fag butts and chips strewn about. These people however are more than content to sit there and wait to be entertained, rather than make the effort of creating an atmosphere. They don't generally like the rough and ready environment of going to away games which they leave to the hardcore among us. My suggestion is that everyone be issued with vuvuzelas and/or clappers at home games to intimidate the opposition a bit more.[/p][/quote]time for your medication OldGull

8:36pm Thu 19 Dec 13

ringtone says...

They have kept clean sheets at Reading, QPR, Wigan and Middlesbrough, which is no mean feat. The dig-in win at Boro last Saturday has lifted their away points tally to 16, one more than they have collected at The Amex.

History and common sense suggests the balance needs redressing.

Heed the wise words from this article Vegas,

Know your history and use some common sense and you will arrive at the doorstep of a concept you fail to grasp, The Law of Averages, my friend The Law of Averages.
They have kept clean sheets at Reading, QPR, Wigan and Middlesbrough, which is no mean feat. The dig-in win at Boro last Saturday has lifted their away points tally to 16, one more than they have collected at The Amex. History and common sense suggests the balance needs redressing. Heed the wise words from this article Vegas, Know your history and use some common sense and you will arrive at the doorstep of a concept you fail to grasp, The Law of Averages, my friend The Law of Averages. ringtone

8:53pm Thu 19 Dec 13

Chi Gull says...

The atmosphere at the Amex can sometimes be a little limp. However, it's up to the players to get the crowd on their side, especially for games like Barnsley where the away support is thin on the ground. The atmosphere for that game was dead because the players did nothing on the pitch to get it going. Generally the support at home is great and the stadium design gives a good atmosphere even when the ground isn't full. If we move the ball quickly and think positively we should get 3 points on Saturday and improve our home form. The play offs are there for the taking ..at the very least.

As an aside ... thank goodness we don't have foreign owners like Cardiff, Hull, Blackburn etc. We are so lucky to have TB.
The atmosphere at the Amex can sometimes be a little limp. However, it's up to the players to get the crowd on their side, especially for games like Barnsley where the away support is thin on the ground. The atmosphere for that game was dead because the players did nothing on the pitch to get it going. Generally the support at home is great and the stadium design gives a good atmosphere even when the ground isn't full. If we move the ball quickly and think positively we should get 3 points on Saturday and improve our home form. The play offs are there for the taking ..at the very least. As an aside ... thank goodness we don't have foreign owners like Cardiff, Hull, Blackburn etc. We are so lucky to have TB. Chi Gull

12:13am Fri 20 Dec 13

pte says...

Maybe to make sure there's never a repeat of the Barnsley game they should have a sign in the dressing room: "remember Barnsley"
Maybe to make sure there's never a repeat of the Barnsley game they should have a sign in the dressing room: "remember Barnsley" pte

8:16am Fri 20 Dec 13

B rian Tawses left foot says...

I would expect Conway and possibly one other to sign in the Jan transfer window. Providing Sunderland don't manage to appeal to one or two of our star players we should be a more credible opposition proposition.
I would expect Conway and possibly one other to sign in the Jan transfer window. Providing Sunderland don't manage to appeal to one or two of our star players we should be a more credible opposition proposition. B rian Tawses left foot

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