Albion talking point- who should play up front?

The Argus: Leo Ulloa in action at Charlton Leo Ulloa in action at Charlton

Leo Ulloa is back in business with a first full game since August and two goals.

Ulloa got through 90 minutes on a heavy pitch at Charlton today and was still looking strong at the end.

Ashey Barnes made way for him in the XI. But he came off the bench to hit the post and have a big hand in Ulloa’s second goal.

There was some decent link up play between the two strikers.

So would you play them together in attack from the start?

Or would you prefer just one of them with the other as an option on the bench?

We’d like to know your thoughts.

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6:18pm Thu 26 Dec 13

blue-eyed-boy says...

Conway, Ulloa, Barnes.
Conway, Ulloa, Barnes. blue-eyed-boy

6:19pm Thu 26 Dec 13

Clean Sheet says...

I would maintain. The way we normally play, 1 up front with support from the flanks and midfield. Ulloa is back and scoring. He is the man.
I would maintain. The way we normally play, 1 up front with support from the flanks and midfield. Ulloa is back and scoring. He is the man. Clean Sheet

6:30pm Thu 26 Dec 13

VegasSeagull says...

No matter what anyone would like re one or two strikers starting, until we have a third option on the bench, the question is mute. Two strikers in the line up, must see a third on the bench, be that a loanee or a contract player. A single striker plan only requires two strikers in the 18 selected. Lita, or another, doesn't get named in the 18 so we are not going to play two strikers, be it 4-4-2 or 4-4-1-1. Without that third striker we won't even play Barnes out wide with Ulloa up front.
No matter what anyone would like re one or two strikers starting, until we have a third option on the bench, the question is mute. Two strikers in the line up, must see a third on the bench, be that a loanee or a contract player. A single striker plan only requires two strikers in the 18 selected. Lita, or another, doesn't get named in the 18 so we are not going to play two strikers, be it 4-4-2 or 4-4-1-1. Without that third striker we won't even play Barnes out wide with Ulloa up front. VegasSeagull

6:32pm Thu 26 Dec 13

PressBoxTeaBoy says...

Up front: Barnes (left), Ulloa (center), Buckley (right).

Simple, and we should have started like that today.

Midfield: Ince, Crofts, Augustien

Simple and we should have started like that today.

Holding midfield: Bridcutt. (What the hell position was he trying to play today?

Defence: Bruno, Upson, Greer (when fit), Ward.

In goal: Kusczak - please no more Brezovan, an accident waiting to happen.

On the bench: Orlandi, Lua Lua, Calderon, Dunk, Andrews, and a new striker.

Lopez: how many more more matches will he do nothing for 60 mins only to be subbed before someone wakes up to the fact that we cant keep starting games with a 10 man team.

El Abd: last season at Brighton, no place in the team right now.
Up front: Barnes (left), Ulloa (center), Buckley (right). Simple, and we should have started like that today. Midfield: Ince, Crofts, Augustien Simple and we should have started like that today. Holding midfield: Bridcutt. (What the hell position was he trying to play today? Defence: Bruno, Upson, Greer (when fit), Ward. In goal: Kusczak - please no more Brezovan, an accident waiting to happen. On the bench: Orlandi, Lua Lua, Calderon, Dunk, Andrews, and a new striker. Lopez: how many more more matches will he do nothing for 60 mins only to be subbed before someone wakes up to the fact that we cant keep starting games with a 10 man team. El Abd: last season at Brighton, no place in the team right now. PressBoxTeaBoy

6:52pm Thu 26 Dec 13

brightonfan34 says...

why dont we try 4-4-2 but i know we wont
why dont we try 4-4-2 but i know we wont brightonfan34

7:00pm Thu 26 Dec 13

SMF20 says...

PressBoxTeaBoy wrote:
Up front: Barnes (left), Ulloa (center), Buckley (right).

Simple, and we should have started like that today.

Midfield: Ince, Crofts, Augustien

Simple and we should have started like that today.

Holding midfield: Bridcutt. (What the hell position was he trying to play today?

Defence: Bruno, Upson, Greer (when fit), Ward.

In goal: Kusczak - please no more Brezovan, an accident waiting to happen.

On the bench: Orlandi, Lua Lua, Calderon, Dunk, Andrews, and a new striker.

Lopez: how many more more matches will he do nothing for 60 mins only to be subbed before someone wakes up to the fact that we cant keep starting games with a 10 man team.

El Abd: last season at Brighton, no place in the team right now.
Cracking team if we could play with 12 :)

Agree with your thinking though re playing the players in the position that they play best.
Why have the best defensive midfielder in the division and then not play him there? Why have one of the best right wingers in the division and then play him left central? I'm not getting it.

With the players we have at our disposal I really do think that we would be better suited to a 4-4-2 with Buckley and LuaLua/Orlandi actually hogging the wings.
Our strength is in our tricky wingers and forwards with ability to win balls in the air and make a right nuisance of themselves.

IMHO and I hate to say it but I think that some of last seasons best players are looking pretty lost in this formation right now.

I'd ask any fellow fan... If we played 4-4-2 with 2 wingers, 2 forwards and Bridders in the middle with Crofts/Agustien/Orla
ndi etc... Would anyone think that we had sent out a team not to win?

Just a bit frustrated tonight.. See huge potential in some players not being utilised.

Uta
[quote][p][bold]PressBoxTeaBoy[/bold] wrote: Up front: Barnes (left), Ulloa (center), Buckley (right). Simple, and we should have started like that today. Midfield: Ince, Crofts, Augustien Simple and we should have started like that today. Holding midfield: Bridcutt. (What the hell position was he trying to play today? Defence: Bruno, Upson, Greer (when fit), Ward. In goal: Kusczak - please no more Brezovan, an accident waiting to happen. On the bench: Orlandi, Lua Lua, Calderon, Dunk, Andrews, and a new striker. Lopez: how many more more matches will he do nothing for 60 mins only to be subbed before someone wakes up to the fact that we cant keep starting games with a 10 man team. El Abd: last season at Brighton, no place in the team right now.[/p][/quote]Cracking team if we could play with 12 :) Agree with your thinking though re playing the players in the position that they play best. Why have the best defensive midfielder in the division and then not play him there? Why have one of the best right wingers in the division and then play him left central? I'm not getting it. With the players we have at our disposal I really do think that we would be better suited to a 4-4-2 with Buckley and LuaLua/Orlandi actually hogging the wings. Our strength is in our tricky wingers and forwards with ability to win balls in the air and make a right nuisance of themselves. IMHO and I hate to say it but I think that some of last seasons best players are looking pretty lost in this formation right now. I'd ask any fellow fan... If we played 4-4-2 with 2 wingers, 2 forwards and Bridders in the middle with Crofts/Agustien/Orla ndi etc... Would anyone think that we had sent out a team not to win? Just a bit frustrated tonight.. See huge potential in some players not being utilised. Uta SMF20

7:09pm Thu 26 Dec 13

albion64 says...

brightonfan34 wrote:
why dont we try 4-4-2 but i know we wont
We need to do something and pretty quick. In advanced positions today our player on the ball didn't have a bloody clue where to deliver it. We play very narrow and Buckley until latter in the second half didn't get anywhere near the flanks. Someone said in an earlier post about him needing to now show his class. He does go to ground rather too easy. We need to see him scaring defences once again. UTA
[quote][p][bold]brightonfan34[/bold] wrote: why dont we try 4-4-2 but i know we wont[/p][/quote]We need to do something and pretty quick. In advanced positions today our player on the ball didn't have a bloody clue where to deliver it. We play very narrow and Buckley until latter in the second half didn't get anywhere near the flanks. Someone said in an earlier post about him needing to now show his class. He does go to ground rather too easy. We need to see him scaring defences once again. UTA albion64

7:19pm Thu 26 Dec 13

Ulloa19 says...

at the moment - LuaLua Ulloa Buckley
at the moment - LuaLua Ulloa Buckley Ulloa19

7:25pm Thu 26 Dec 13

blue-eyed-boy says...

it's not so much Buckley showing his class, more about him showing he's got a pair.
it's not so much Buckley showing his class, more about him showing he's got a pair. blue-eyed-boy

7:41pm Thu 26 Dec 13

tug509 says...

30 seconds after Barnes came on the pitch today and linked with Ulloa ,they had their first combined effort at goal ,should tell us something !!!.

Kuszczak

Calderon/Bruno
Greer/Dunk
Upson
Ward

We might lose Liam so i will go with our future .
Ince

Crofts/Agustein

Buckley
Ulloa
Conway/Barnes


UTA
Orlandi/Andrews
30 seconds after Barnes came on the pitch today and linked with Ulloa ,they had their first combined effort at goal ,should tell us something !!!. Kuszczak Calderon/Bruno Greer/Dunk Upson Ward We might lose Liam so i will go with our future . Ince Crofts/Agustein Buckley Ulloa Conway/Barnes UTA Orlandi/Andrews tug509

7:43pm Thu 26 Dec 13

tug509 says...

tug509 wrote:
30 seconds after Barnes came on the pitch today and linked with Ulloa ,they had their first combined effort at goal ,should tell us something !!!.

Kuszczak

Calderon/Bruno
Greer/Dunk
Upson
Ward

We might lose Liam so i will go with our future .
Ince

Crofts/Agustein

Buckley
Ulloa
Conway/Barnes


UTA
Orlandi/Andrews
Why does this darn site always do this to me,Orlandi/Andrews in the middle of course.
[quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: 30 seconds after Barnes came on the pitch today and linked with Ulloa ,they had their first combined effort at goal ,should tell us something !!!. Kuszczak Calderon/Bruno Greer/Dunk Upson Ward We might lose Liam so i will go with our future . Ince Crofts/Agustein Buckley Ulloa Conway/Barnes UTA Orlandi/Andrews[/p][/quote]Why does this darn site always do this to me,Orlandi/Andrews in the middle of course. tug509

7:49pm Thu 26 Dec 13

WoodingdeanDS says...

Now is the time for Oscar to step up to the plate and do something to change things round. He's inherited a pool of players that might not be up to the way he wants to play. 65% possession should be enough to walk a game like this. Charlton had three shots on target. We had 17 shots, 4 on target, This started as a point about who to have up front. Players who can get the ball on target for one. Statistically, scoring two goals a game will get you promoted. Conceding this many sends you the other way. What's the point in getting to the play off places with a team that loses to bottom of the table teams.
I'll watch the highlights, but my guess is most of our 65% possession was in our own half.
Now is the time for Oscar to step up to the plate and do something to change things round. He's inherited a pool of players that might not be up to the way he wants to play. 65% possession should be enough to walk a game like this. Charlton had three shots on target. We had 17 shots, 4 on target, This started as a point about who to have up front. Players who can get the ball on target for one. Statistically, scoring two goals a game will get you promoted. Conceding this many sends you the other way. What's the point in getting to the play off places with a team that loses to bottom of the table teams. I'll watch the highlights, but my guess is most of our 65% possession was in our own half. WoodingdeanDS

7:51pm Thu 26 Dec 13

PressBoxTeaBoy says...

SMF20 wrote:
PressBoxTeaBoy wrote:
Up front: Barnes (left), Ulloa (center), Buckley (right).

Simple, and we should have started like that today.

Midfield: Ince, Crofts, Augustien

Simple and we should have started like that today.

Holding midfield: Bridcutt. (What the hell position was he trying to play today?

Defence: Bruno, Upson, Greer (when fit), Ward.

In goal: Kusczak - please no more Brezovan, an accident waiting to happen.

On the bench: Orlandi, Lua Lua, Calderon, Dunk, Andrews, and a new striker.

Lopez: how many more more matches will he do nothing for 60 mins only to be subbed before someone wakes up to the fact that we cant keep starting games with a 10 man team.

El Abd: last season at Brighton, no place in the team right now.
Cracking team if we could play with 12 :)

Agree with your thinking though re playing the players in the position that they play best.
Why have the best defensive midfielder in the division and then not play him there? Why have one of the best right wingers in the division and then play him left central? I'm not getting it.

With the players we have at our disposal I really do think that we would be better suited to a 4-4-2 with Buckley and LuaLua/Orlandi actually hogging the wings.
Our strength is in our tricky wingers and forwards with ability to win balls in the air and make a right nuisance of themselves.

IMHO and I hate to say it but I think that some of last seasons best players are looking pretty lost in this formation right now.

I'd ask any fellow fan... If we played 4-4-2 with 2 wingers, 2 forwards and Bridders in the middle with Crofts/Agustien/Orla

ndi etc... Would anyone think that we had sent out a team not to win?

Just a bit frustrated tonight.. See huge potential in some players not being utilised.

Uta
Yep, badly worded, 11 without Bridcutt in holding midfield. He was rubbish today, probably be sold to Sunderland next week, meaning Ince to play in midfield and not in holding midfield,
[quote][p][bold]SMF20[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PressBoxTeaBoy[/bold] wrote: Up front: Barnes (left), Ulloa (center), Buckley (right). Simple, and we should have started like that today. Midfield: Ince, Crofts, Augustien Simple and we should have started like that today. Holding midfield: Bridcutt. (What the hell position was he trying to play today? Defence: Bruno, Upson, Greer (when fit), Ward. In goal: Kusczak - please no more Brezovan, an accident waiting to happen. On the bench: Orlandi, Lua Lua, Calderon, Dunk, Andrews, and a new striker. Lopez: how many more more matches will he do nothing for 60 mins only to be subbed before someone wakes up to the fact that we cant keep starting games with a 10 man team. El Abd: last season at Brighton, no place in the team right now.[/p][/quote]Cracking team if we could play with 12 :) Agree with your thinking though re playing the players in the position that they play best. Why have the best defensive midfielder in the division and then not play him there? Why have one of the best right wingers in the division and then play him left central? I'm not getting it. With the players we have at our disposal I really do think that we would be better suited to a 4-4-2 with Buckley and LuaLua/Orlandi actually hogging the wings. Our strength is in our tricky wingers and forwards with ability to win balls in the air and make a right nuisance of themselves. IMHO and I hate to say it but I think that some of last seasons best players are looking pretty lost in this formation right now. I'd ask any fellow fan... If we played 4-4-2 with 2 wingers, 2 forwards and Bridders in the middle with Crofts/Agustien/Orla ndi etc... Would anyone think that we had sent out a team not to win? Just a bit frustrated tonight.. See huge potential in some players not being utilised. Uta[/p][/quote]Yep, badly worded, 11 without Bridcutt in holding midfield. He was rubbish today, probably be sold to Sunderland next week, meaning Ince to play in midfield and not in holding midfield, PressBoxTeaBoy

8:23pm Thu 26 Dec 13

To baldly go says...

We all want Leo up front! It's who we play with him, for me one winger (any 1 from LuaLua, Buckley, Orlandi or Conway if he returns), Barnes just behind Leo as an attacking midfielder.
INCE, Bridcutt, Crofts or Augustien in midfield.
It's the defence that is my cause for concern, AGE and lack of PACE! We can probably cope for this season, but if Ward returns to wolves once they are promoted, who at left back? Upson and Greer 34/35 and Bruno 33 in the other positions will only get slower, even at this level next season they will struggle!
On our players, take out the loanees (Andrews, Ward, Conway), and those out of contract end of season, Upson, Ince, LuaLua, TK, Barnes, and Orlandi, also if we sell Bridcutt it doesn't leave much left on the table! BIG money will need to be spent if we are to improve/stay the same as we are at the moment!
We all want Leo up front! It's who we play with him, for me one winger (any 1 from LuaLua, Buckley, Orlandi or Conway if he returns), Barnes just behind Leo as an attacking midfielder. INCE, Bridcutt, Crofts or Augustien in midfield. It's the defence that is my cause for concern, AGE and lack of PACE! We can probably cope for this season, but if Ward returns to wolves once they are promoted, who at left back? Upson and Greer 34/35 and Bruno 33 in the other positions will only get slower, even at this level next season they will struggle! On our players, take out the loanees (Andrews, Ward, Conway), and those out of contract end of season, Upson, Ince, LuaLua, TK, Barnes, and Orlandi, also if we sell Bridcutt it doesn't leave much left on the table! BIG money will need to be spent if we are to improve/stay the same as we are at the moment! To baldly go

8:40pm Thu 26 Dec 13

russellsnr says...

First we need to find out who is in charge of our team?
Nathan Jones
or
ALBION boss Oscar Garcia?
Not seen much of anything in these pages over the last few days about what ALBION boss Oscar Garcia thinks????
First we need to find out who is in charge of our team? Nathan Jones or ALBION boss Oscar Garcia? Not seen much of anything in these pages over the last few days about what ALBION boss Oscar Garcia thinks???? russellsnr

11:40pm Thu 26 Dec 13

impose our game gull says...

Last few appearances, what has Buckley brought us?

If he's not prepared or seemingly able to go past players (best today at this by far was Crofts!!) then it doesn't work for us as certainly his shooting isn't up to much of late.

Charlton had more players going past us and creating danger than w e did.

Shots on target stats as a per cent of all shots in last few matches is looking really patchy

Fantastic to see Leo back on an otherwise downer day
Last few appearances, what has Buckley brought us? If he's not prepared or seemingly able to go past players (best today at this by far was Crofts!!) then it doesn't work for us as certainly his shooting isn't up to much of late. Charlton had more players going past us and creating danger than w e did. Shots on target stats as a per cent of all shots in last few matches is looking really patchy Fantastic to see Leo back on an otherwise downer day impose our game gull

11:57pm Thu 26 Dec 13

Norwegian1 says...

In my opinion lualua, when fit, is a far better option on the left wing than barnes.
In my opinion lualua, when fit, is a far better option on the left wing than barnes. Norwegian1

7:16am Fri 27 Dec 13

Jonathan Mouette says...

For all those suggesting Barnes has a role to play may I suggest that role is as far away from goal as possible - in that way we won't have to put up with more wasted chances. As for the posters asking who is really in charge it certainly isn't OG - I don't know about NJ but neither seem to have been involved in the Leroy Lita fiasco. I guess the January window will give us a better idea. Maybe a striker and midfield player from Maccabi Tel Aviv could give us a clue and be more than useful, especially as there are a couple of very decent Spanish lads down there... C'mon lads, let's get this season back on track - UTA
For all those suggesting Barnes has a role to play may I suggest that role is as far away from goal as possible - in that way we won't have to put up with more wasted chances. As for the posters asking who is really in charge it certainly isn't OG - I don't know about NJ but neither seem to have been involved in the Leroy Lita fiasco. I guess the January window will give us a better idea. Maybe a striker and midfield player from Maccabi Tel Aviv could give us a clue and be more than useful, especially as there are a couple of very decent Spanish lads down there... C'mon lads, let's get this season back on track - UTA Jonathan Mouette

11:10am Fri 27 Dec 13

Gazza by the sea says...

Oscar won't play 4-4-2. And he shouldn't. To play 4-4-2 we cannot play the holding midfielder which has been the basis upon which our whole game has been built in the last 2-3 years. And why not when we have the best player in the division in that position. (Note to Oscar - Liam is pretty ordinary if you play him further forward. He gives the ball away far too often when he cannot see the game in front of him).

Only someone who hasn't seen him play would suggest Ulloa isn't out first choice striker.

So that leaves 4 positions. Wide left has to be one of Orlandi, KLL, or Conway if he comes back. Wide right is Buckley surely with David as understudy.

That leaves Andrews, Ince, Agustien, and Crofts to fill the two central slots. If we want industry and sweat then Crofts gets a place (safe steady mid table finish). If we want cunning, guile creativity and clever incisive passing to release Ulloa more frequently then it's 2 of the other 3.

Barnes is Leo's understudy. Unless we go 4-4-2. And if we do that, Liam doesn't start. He is not good enough further forward. And Barnes has to convert more of his chances in a 4-4-2 because we will certainly concede more.
Oscar won't play 4-4-2. And he shouldn't. To play 4-4-2 we cannot play the holding midfielder which has been the basis upon which our whole game has been built in the last 2-3 years. And why not when we have the best player in the division in that position. (Note to Oscar - Liam is pretty ordinary if you play him further forward. He gives the ball away far too often when he cannot see the game in front of him). Only someone who hasn't seen him play would suggest Ulloa isn't out first choice striker. So that leaves 4 positions. Wide left has to be one of Orlandi, KLL, or Conway if he comes back. Wide right is Buckley surely with David as understudy. That leaves Andrews, Ince, Agustien, and Crofts to fill the two central slots. If we want industry and sweat then Crofts gets a place (safe steady mid table finish). If we want cunning, guile creativity and clever incisive passing to release Ulloa more frequently then it's 2 of the other 3. Barnes is Leo's understudy. Unless we go 4-4-2. And if we do that, Liam doesn't start. He is not good enough further forward. And Barnes has to convert more of his chances in a 4-4-2 because we will certainly concede more. Gazza by the sea

12:45pm Fri 27 Dec 13

steve seeagullls says...

PressBoxTeaBoy wrote:
Up front: Barnes (left), Ulloa (center), Buckley (right).

Simple, and we should have started like that today.

Midfield: Ince, Crofts, Augustien

Simple and we should have started like that today.

Holding midfield: Bridcutt. (What the hell position was he trying to play today?

Defence: Bruno, Upson, Greer (when fit), Ward.

In goal: Kusczak - please no more Brezovan, an accident waiting to happen.

On the bench: Orlandi, Lua Lua, Calderon, Dunk, Andrews, and a new striker.

Lopez: how many more more matches will he do nothing for 60 mins only to be subbed before someone wakes up to the fact that we cant keep starting games with a 10 man team.

El Abd: last season at Brighton, no place in the team right now.
is I my imagination or do you have 12 players on the pitch
[quote][p][bold]PressBoxTeaBoy[/bold] wrote: Up front: Barnes (left), Ulloa (center), Buckley (right). Simple, and we should have started like that today. Midfield: Ince, Crofts, Augustien Simple and we should have started like that today. Holding midfield: Bridcutt. (What the hell position was he trying to play today? Defence: Bruno, Upson, Greer (when fit), Ward. In goal: Kusczak - please no more Brezovan, an accident waiting to happen. On the bench: Orlandi, Lua Lua, Calderon, Dunk, Andrews, and a new striker. Lopez: how many more more matches will he do nothing for 60 mins only to be subbed before someone wakes up to the fact that we cant keep starting games with a 10 man team. El Abd: last season at Brighton, no place in the team right now.[/p][/quote]is I my imagination or do you have 12 players on the pitch steve seeagullls

9:16pm Fri 27 Dec 13

Perseus says...

PressBoxTeaBoy wrote:
Up front: Barnes (left), Ulloa (center), Buckley (right).

Simple, and we should have started like that today.

Midfield: Ince, Crofts, Augustien

Simple and we should have started like that today.

Holding midfield: Bridcutt. (What the hell position was he trying to play today?

Defence: Bruno, Upson, Greer (when fit), Ward.

In goal: Kusczak - please no more Brezovan, an accident waiting to happen.

On the bench: Orlandi, Lua Lua, Calderon, Dunk, Andrews, and a new striker.

Lopez: how many more more matches will he do nothing for 60 mins only to be subbed before someone wakes up to the fact that we cant keep starting games with a 10 man team.

El Abd: last season at Brighton, no place in the team right now.
12 players gives us a sporting chance.
[quote][p][bold]PressBoxTeaBoy[/bold] wrote: Up front: Barnes (left), Ulloa (center), Buckley (right). Simple, and we should have started like that today. Midfield: Ince, Crofts, Augustien Simple and we should have started like that today. Holding midfield: Bridcutt. (What the hell position was he trying to play today? Defence: Bruno, Upson, Greer (when fit), Ward. In goal: Kusczak - please no more Brezovan, an accident waiting to happen. On the bench: Orlandi, Lua Lua, Calderon, Dunk, Andrews, and a new striker. Lopez: how many more more matches will he do nothing for 60 mins only to be subbed before someone wakes up to the fact that we cant keep starting games with a 10 man team. El Abd: last season at Brighton, no place in the team right now.[/p][/quote]12 players gives us a sporting chance. Perseus

7:26am Sat 28 Dec 13

taiwan gul says...

Better to play two forwards. Play off each other. If one has a bad day hopefully the other will not.
Better to play two forwards. Play off each other. If one has a bad day hopefully the other will not. taiwan gul

5:24pm Mon 30 Dec 13

Falmer Wizard says...

Rather fancy the Bournemouth game if Oscar gives us a treat by playing two up front, had enough of one striker who runs himself into the ground and takes a lot of punishment,its not a lot to ask for when we are at home,what do we want Entertainment and GOALS.
Rather fancy the Bournemouth game if Oscar gives us a treat by playing two up front, had enough of one striker who runs himself into the ground and takes a lot of punishment,its not a lot to ask for when we are at home,what do we want Entertainment and GOALS. Falmer Wizard

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