Ward rescues point for Albion but he's sick it's not three

Stephen Ward celebrates his late equaliser

Stephen Ward celebrates his late equaliser

First published in Sport by , Chief sports reporter

STEPHEN Ward rescued a point for Albion against Bournemouth - but he still felt sick.

The left-back on loan from Wolves for the season headed an 89th minute equaliser to earn the Seagulls a 1-1 draw at The Amex.

The Irishman's first goal for Albion, and first since April, came after he suffered a blow to the head at Blackpool on Sunday and was sick on the pitch.

It was scant consolation as Oscar Garcia's side yet again failed to make superiority at home count after falling behind early on to a controversial penalty awarded against stand-in skipper Inigo Calderon.

Ward told The Argus: "We are really disappointed not to have won the game. We did more than enough to win, not just one game but three or four.

"We were disappointed with the (penalty) decision but the main thing is we didn't let it affect us. Even with that setback we were outstanding. If it wasn't for an inspired performance by their goalie (Lee Camp) and a bit of luck going their way we would have got the three points.

Calderon was penalised in the 14th minute for a tackle on Marc Pugh when he blatantly won the ball.

Ward said: "I was in disbelief that it was given. We showed great character in the way we responded and we're bitterly disappointed one or two of the chances didn't go in.

"The positive is that we are creating so many chances and it's not as if they were glaring misses. Their keeper pulled off world class saves and we hit the crossbar, the post. It was just one of those days."

Albion have now won just two of their last eight home matches but the point was enough to lift them a place to seventh, still outside the Championship play-off zone only on goal difference.

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5:58am Thu 2 Jan 14

Singing Seagull, Indonesia says...

Nicely summed up Mr Ward. Even from here I could see that was never a penalty. When a referee makes a blatant game changing, potentially season changing error like that, the very least we should receive is an apology. And the very least the ref should receive is a three match suspension and a withholding of his match fee.

Still, we remain in a position which most of us would have given a right arm for a couple of months back. Last year demonstrated what we can do given a surge of good results in the season. We just need to be penetrating defences again and finding the back of the Amex nets.

It will happen.

UTA!!
Nicely summed up Mr Ward. Even from here I could see that was never a penalty. When a referee makes a blatant game changing, potentially season changing error like that, the very least we should receive is an apology. And the very least the ref should receive is a three match suspension and a withholding of his match fee. Still, we remain in a position which most of us would have given a right arm for a couple of months back. Last year demonstrated what we can do given a surge of good results in the season. We just need to be penetrating defences again and finding the back of the Amex nets. It will happen. UTA!! Singing Seagull, Indonesia
  • Score: 8

6:00am Thu 2 Jan 14

Singing Seagull, Indonesia says...

* I should have said in the second half of the season of course.
* I should have said in the second half of the season of course. Singing Seagull, Indonesia
  • Score: 0

6:54am Thu 2 Jan 14

mark by the sea says...

After the excitement and disappointment of yesterday's result , the same pattern of last season is emerging , lack of goals, we create lots of half chances and one maybe two good ones a game, for me it's a bit obvious !
Pass the ball to death, try and get some width .
I thought with exception of lua lua, our side has no pace, from defence to midfield, and again lua lua only player capable of beating a player with ball at feet.
Lots of teams looking for a draw can come and feel pretty comfortable knowing this, plus we play one striker, I now see why Barnes was so important to Gus , and his importance to the side. Barnes must play on the left as he did under Gus ,... Which leaves us still lacking pace , the partnership of crofts, bridcutt and ince ls to much of the same in my opinion, we lack a bit of craft and pace.
Taking upsons performance yesterday, top class player, lose him to injury and we will really struggle .
I would have liked to know what's happened to jfc and march? The lad barker has returned from Newport without hardly playing and again failing to score on loan..... There is a massive rebuilding job coming over next 6 months plus a clear out required.
All in all pleased with our position, but our home form is awful.
After the excitement and disappointment of yesterday's result , the same pattern of last season is emerging , lack of goals, we create lots of half chances and one maybe two good ones a game, for me it's a bit obvious ! Pass the ball to death, try and get some width . I thought with exception of lua lua, our side has no pace, from defence to midfield, and again lua lua only player capable of beating a player with ball at feet. Lots of teams looking for a draw can come and feel pretty comfortable knowing this, plus we play one striker, I now see why Barnes was so important to Gus , and his importance to the side. Barnes must play on the left as he did under Gus ,... Which leaves us still lacking pace , the partnership of crofts, bridcutt and ince ls to much of the same in my opinion, we lack a bit of craft and pace. Taking upsons performance yesterday, top class player, lose him to injury and we will really struggle . I would have liked to know what's happened to jfc and march? The lad barker has returned from Newport without hardly playing and again failing to score on loan..... There is a massive rebuilding job coming over next 6 months plus a clear out required. All in all pleased with our position, but our home form is awful. mark by the sea
  • Score: 5

7:47am Thu 2 Jan 14

Far gull says...

mark by the sea wrote:
After the excitement and disappointment of yesterday's result , the same pattern of last season is emerging , lack of goals, we create lots of half chances and one maybe two good ones a game, for me it's a bit obvious !
Pass the ball to death, try and get some width .
I thought with exception of lua lua, our side has no pace, from defence to midfield, and again lua lua only player capable of beating a player with ball at feet.
Lots of teams looking for a draw can come and feel pretty comfortable knowing this, plus we play one striker, I now see why Barnes was so important to Gus , and his importance to the side. Barnes must play on the left as he did under Gus ,... Which leaves us still lacking pace , the partnership of crofts, bridcutt and ince ls to much of the same in my opinion, we lack a bit of craft and pace.
Taking upsons performance yesterday, top class player, lose him to injury and we will really struggle .
I would have liked to know what's happened to jfc and march? The lad barker has returned from Newport without hardly playing and again failing to score on loan..... There is a massive rebuilding job coming over next 6 months plus a clear out required.
All in all pleased with our position, but our home form is awful.
Agree with some of above and I was vilified for saying it yesterday but I think One or two leaving a good thing as we really need pace to break down opposition . Think ,although we were lucky to have him and he stayed fit ! Bridge a big miss this season.
Would like to see Solly a bit more ,but Oscar must see him in training up against our defenders and he can't be getting the better of them ,if he was he would be in I am sure ,given his promotion ot Ince and jfc earlier in the season.
This league all about scoring ,all sides get chances every game ,even Bournmouth had a couple yesterday on top of poor ref( which is quite a regular thing too)
At least we are at the bottom of the league,as long as every game counts we are in with a shout but Oscar has work to do for sure in the long run.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: After the excitement and disappointment of yesterday's result , the same pattern of last season is emerging , lack of goals, we create lots of half chances and one maybe two good ones a game, for me it's a bit obvious ! Pass the ball to death, try and get some width . I thought with exception of lua lua, our side has no pace, from defence to midfield, and again lua lua only player capable of beating a player with ball at feet. Lots of teams looking for a draw can come and feel pretty comfortable knowing this, plus we play one striker, I now see why Barnes was so important to Gus , and his importance to the side. Barnes must play on the left as he did under Gus ,... Which leaves us still lacking pace , the partnership of crofts, bridcutt and ince ls to much of the same in my opinion, we lack a bit of craft and pace. Taking upsons performance yesterday, top class player, lose him to injury and we will really struggle . I would have liked to know what's happened to jfc and march? The lad barker has returned from Newport without hardly playing and again failing to score on loan..... There is a massive rebuilding job coming over next 6 months plus a clear out required. All in all pleased with our position, but our home form is awful.[/p][/quote]Agree with some of above and I was vilified for saying it yesterday but I think One or two leaving a good thing as we really need pace to break down opposition . Think ,although we were lucky to have him and he stayed fit ! Bridge a big miss this season. Would like to see Solly a bit more ,but Oscar must see him in training up against our defenders and he can't be getting the better of them ,if he was he would be in I am sure ,given his promotion ot Ince and jfc earlier in the season. This league all about scoring ,all sides get chances every game ,even Bournmouth had a couple yesterday on top of poor ref( which is quite a regular thing too) At least we are at the bottom of the league,as long as every game counts we are in with a shout but Oscar has work to do for sure in the long run. Far gull
  • Score: -1

7:48am Thu 2 Jan 14

Far gull says...

Not at bottom of league it should read !
Not at bottom of league it should read ! Far gull
  • Score: 1

8:39am Thu 2 Jan 14

keswick says...

Stephen and 20,000 + other people were in disbelief when a perfectly good tackle was given as a penalty. As previously said give match officials who make clear mistakes such as this a ban.
Stephen and 20,000 + other people were in disbelief when a perfectly good tackle was given as a penalty. As previously said give match officials who make clear mistakes such as this a ban. keswick
  • Score: 4

8:49am Thu 2 Jan 14

Albion In Staffs says...

keswick wrote:
Stephen and 20,000 + other people were in disbelief when a perfectly good tackle was given as a penalty. As previously said give match officials who make clear mistakes such as this a ban.
I don't see banning officials for one-off mistakes as being in any way useful. If they make REGULAR foul-ups then yes, I would agree and a ban is far better than merely demoting a ref to go and make his mistakes at some poor lower league club.
From our perspective, we should just move on. It happened, it was wrong and at some point, we'll be on the 'right' end of one.
[quote][p][bold]keswick[/bold] wrote: Stephen and 20,000 + other people were in disbelief when a perfectly good tackle was given as a penalty. As previously said give match officials who make clear mistakes such as this a ban.[/p][/quote]I don't see banning officials for one-off mistakes as being in any way useful. If they make REGULAR foul-ups then yes, I would agree and a ban is far better than merely demoting a ref to go and make his mistakes at some poor lower league club. From our perspective, we should just move on. It happened, it was wrong and at some point, we'll be on the 'right' end of one. Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 3

8:57am Thu 2 Jan 14

Alfie T says...

Far gull wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
After the excitement and disappointment of yesterday's result , the same pattern of last season is emerging , lack of goals, we create lots of half chances and one maybe two good ones a game, for me it's a bit obvious !
Pass the ball to death, try and get some width .
I thought with exception of lua lua, our side has no pace, from defence to midfield, and again lua lua only player capable of beating a player with ball at feet.
Lots of teams looking for a draw can come and feel pretty comfortable knowing this, plus we play one striker, I now see why Barnes was so important to Gus , and his importance to the side. Barnes must play on the left as he did under Gus ,... Which leaves us still lacking pace , the partnership of crofts, bridcutt and ince ls to much of the same in my opinion, we lack a bit of craft and pace.
Taking upsons performance yesterday, top class player, lose him to injury and we will really struggle .
I would have liked to know what's happened to jfc and march? The lad barker has returned from Newport without hardly playing and again failing to score on loan..... There is a massive rebuilding job coming over next 6 months plus a clear out required.
All in all pleased with our position, but our home form is awful.
Agree with some of above and I was vilified for saying it yesterday but I think One or two leaving a good thing as we really need pace to break down opposition . Think ,although we were lucky to have him and he stayed fit ! Bridge a big miss this season.
Would like to see Solly a bit more ,but Oscar must see him in training up against our defenders and he can't be getting the better of them ,if he was he would be in I am sure ,given his promotion ot Ince and jfc earlier in the season.
This league all about scoring ,all sides get chances every game ,even Bournmouth had a couple yesterday on top of poor ref( which is quite a regular thing too)
At least we are at the bottom of the league,as long as every game counts we are in with a shout but Oscar has work to do for sure in the long run.
Agree with most of the above, thought we looked a better side when Barnes and Orlandi came on, the latter made a big difference, class player.
[quote][p][bold]Far gull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: After the excitement and disappointment of yesterday's result , the same pattern of last season is emerging , lack of goals, we create lots of half chances and one maybe two good ones a game, for me it's a bit obvious ! Pass the ball to death, try and get some width . I thought with exception of lua lua, our side has no pace, from defence to midfield, and again lua lua only player capable of beating a player with ball at feet. Lots of teams looking for a draw can come and feel pretty comfortable knowing this, plus we play one striker, I now see why Barnes was so important to Gus , and his importance to the side. Barnes must play on the left as he did under Gus ,... Which leaves us still lacking pace , the partnership of crofts, bridcutt and ince ls to much of the same in my opinion, we lack a bit of craft and pace. Taking upsons performance yesterday, top class player, lose him to injury and we will really struggle . I would have liked to know what's happened to jfc and march? The lad barker has returned from Newport without hardly playing and again failing to score on loan..... There is a massive rebuilding job coming over next 6 months plus a clear out required. All in all pleased with our position, but our home form is awful.[/p][/quote]Agree with some of above and I was vilified for saying it yesterday but I think One or two leaving a good thing as we really need pace to break down opposition . Think ,although we were lucky to have him and he stayed fit ! Bridge a big miss this season. Would like to see Solly a bit more ,but Oscar must see him in training up against our defenders and he can't be getting the better of them ,if he was he would be in I am sure ,given his promotion ot Ince and jfc earlier in the season. This league all about scoring ,all sides get chances every game ,even Bournmouth had a couple yesterday on top of poor ref( which is quite a regular thing too) At least we are at the bottom of the league,as long as every game counts we are in with a shout but Oscar has work to do for sure in the long run.[/p][/quote]Agree with most of the above, thought we looked a better side when Barnes and Orlandi came on, the latter made a big difference, class player. Alfie T
  • Score: 8

10:04am Thu 2 Jan 14

AlanDuffy says...

Interesting to read what Uwe Rosler had to say after Wigan beat Derby.....

"We had a game plan and played differently than they expected us to. We decided not to play our passing game and wanted to have a high line and I think it worked very well - we had more attempts on goal and the better chances in the first half. "

Maybe we should be looking at doing something similar instead of constantly playing into the oppositions hands. Our home form is hurting us at the moment, ok, we had enough chances to beat Bournemouth 3 times and with a touch more luck would have done so, but there's been too many games this season where we've looked clueless as to how to break sides down.

Reading Saturday, cup game, time to try something different?
Interesting to read what Uwe Rosler had to say after Wigan beat Derby..... "We had a game plan and played differently than they expected us to. We decided not to play our passing game and wanted to have a high line and I think it worked very well - we had more attempts on goal and the better chances in the first half. " Maybe we should be looking at doing something similar instead of constantly playing into the oppositions hands. Our home form is hurting us at the moment, ok, we had enough chances to beat Bournemouth 3 times and with a touch more luck would have done so, but there's been too many games this season where we've looked clueless as to how to break sides down. Reading Saturday, cup game, time to try something different? AlanDuffy
  • Score: 4

10:05am Thu 2 Jan 14

mark by the sea says...

Just checked championship attendances 13-14 , we are top at just under 27,000 , Leeds second, if you consider we are the most expensive , we should be in a strong position for now.
Amazing when only few years ago we could only muster 6000 at the withdean. The big job now is taking the club to the premier league without spending cash we don't have.
Just checked championship attendances 13-14 , we are top at just under 27,000 , Leeds second, if you consider we are the most expensive , we should be in a strong position for now. Amazing when only few years ago we could only muster 6000 at the withdean. The big job now is taking the club to the premier league without spending cash we don't have. mark by the sea
  • Score: 1

10:46am Thu 2 Jan 14

championshipgull says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Just checked championship attendances 13-14 , we are top at just under 27,000 , Leeds second, if you consider we are the most expensive , we should be in a strong position for now.
Amazing when only few years ago we could only muster 6000 at the withdean. The big job now is taking the club to the premier league without spending cash we don't have.
Yes and just think, I remember you telling us we wouldn’t fill the initial 17,500 seats at the Amex
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: Just checked championship attendances 13-14 , we are top at just under 27,000 , Leeds second, if you consider we are the most expensive , we should be in a strong position for now. Amazing when only few years ago we could only muster 6000 at the withdean. The big job now is taking the club to the premier league without spending cash we don't have.[/p][/quote]Yes and just think, I remember you telling us we wouldn’t fill the initial 17,500 seats at the Amex championshipgull
  • Score: 3

10:54am Thu 2 Jan 14

championshipgull says...

Credit to Eddie Howe for coming out and saying the Ref has made a mistake with the penalty decision but not only did it give Bournemouth a goal it allowed them to put 2 lines of 4 defenders behind the ball. We should have taken more of those chances and then the invertible bad referring decision wouldn’t matter. How long can I go on holding my head as the ball hits the bar, keeper, post or rebounds over the top. If luck evens itself out over the season we have got some coming our way for the second half. Still, 3 point against Birmingham and Ipswich fail to beat QPR and we’re in the top 6. But Lady Luck it’s got to be our turn and while I’m talking to you. Not so many injuries please.
Credit to Eddie Howe for coming out and saying the Ref has made a mistake with the penalty decision but not only did it give Bournemouth a goal it allowed them to put 2 lines of 4 defenders behind the ball. We should have taken more of those chances and then the invertible bad referring decision wouldn’t matter. How long can I go on holding my head as the ball hits the bar, keeper, post or rebounds over the top. If luck evens itself out over the season we have got some coming our way for the second half. Still, 3 point against Birmingham and Ipswich fail to beat QPR and we’re in the top 6. But Lady Luck it’s got to be our turn and while I’m talking to you. Not so many injuries please. championshipgull
  • Score: 6

10:54am Thu 2 Jan 14

mark by the sea says...

championshipgull wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Just checked championship attendances 13-14 , we are top at just under 27,000 , Leeds second, if you consider we are the most expensive , we should be in a strong position for now.
Amazing when only few years ago we could only muster 6000 at the withdean. The big job now is taking the club to the premier league without spending cash we don't have.
Yes and just think, I remember you telling us we wouldn’t fill the initial 17,500 seats at the Amex
Yes I did, and the club thought they would average 13500 in div 1
Under 20,000 in the championship.. I am so happy to be wrong, just showes there is so little family entertainment in Sussex !
[quote][p][bold]championshipgull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: Just checked championship attendances 13-14 , we are top at just under 27,000 , Leeds second, if you consider we are the most expensive , we should be in a strong position for now. Amazing when only few years ago we could only muster 6000 at the withdean. The big job now is taking the club to the premier league without spending cash we don't have.[/p][/quote]Yes and just think, I remember you telling us we wouldn’t fill the initial 17,500 seats at the Amex[/p][/quote]Yes I did, and the club thought they would average 13500 in div 1 Under 20,000 in the championship.. I am so happy to be wrong, just showes there is so little family entertainment in Sussex ! mark by the sea
  • Score: 7

11:07am Thu 2 Jan 14

championshipgull says...

mark by the sea wrote:
championshipgull wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Just checked championship attendances 13-14 , we are top at just under 27,000 , Leeds second, if you consider we are the most expensive , we should be in a strong position for now.
Amazing when only few years ago we could only muster 6000 at the withdean. The big job now is taking the club to the premier league without spending cash we don't have.
Yes and just think, I remember you telling us we wouldn’t fill the initial 17,500 seats at the Amex
Yes I did, and the club thought they would average 13500 in div 1
Under 20,000 in the championship.. I am so happy to be wrong, just showes there is so little family entertainment in Sussex !
And credit to you for owning up.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]championshipgull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: Just checked championship attendances 13-14 , we are top at just under 27,000 , Leeds second, if you consider we are the most expensive , we should be in a strong position for now. Amazing when only few years ago we could only muster 6000 at the withdean. The big job now is taking the club to the premier league without spending cash we don't have.[/p][/quote]Yes and just think, I remember you telling us we wouldn’t fill the initial 17,500 seats at the Amex[/p][/quote]Yes I did, and the club thought they would average 13500 in div 1 Under 20,000 in the championship.. I am so happy to be wrong, just showes there is so little family entertainment in Sussex ![/p][/quote]And credit to you for owning up. championshipgull
  • Score: 10

11:10am Thu 2 Jan 14

championshipgull says...

mark by the sea wrote:
championshipgull wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Just checked championship attendances 13-14 , we are top at just under 27,000 , Leeds second, if you consider we are the most expensive , we should be in a strong position for now.
Amazing when only few years ago we could only muster 6000 at the withdean. The big job now is taking the club to the premier league without spending cash we don't have.
Yes and just think, I remember you telling us we wouldn’t fill the initial 17,500 seats at the Amex
Yes I did, and the club thought they would average 13500 in div 1
Under 20,000 in the championship.. I am so happy to be wrong, just showes there is so little family entertainment in Sussex !
And credit to you for owning up.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]championshipgull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: Just checked championship attendances 13-14 , we are top at just under 27,000 , Leeds second, if you consider we are the most expensive , we should be in a strong position for now. Amazing when only few years ago we could only muster 6000 at the withdean. The big job now is taking the club to the premier league without spending cash we don't have.[/p][/quote]Yes and just think, I remember you telling us we wouldn’t fill the initial 17,500 seats at the Amex[/p][/quote]Yes I did, and the club thought they would average 13500 in div 1 Under 20,000 in the championship.. I am so happy to be wrong, just showes there is so little family entertainment in Sussex ![/p][/quote]And credit to you for owning up. championshipgull
  • Score: 2

11:10am Thu 2 Jan 14

Alfie T says...

championshipgull wrote:
Credit to Eddie Howe for coming out and saying the Ref has made a mistake with the penalty decision but not only did it give Bournemouth a goal it allowed them to put 2 lines of 4 defenders behind the ball. We should have taken more of those chances and then the invertible bad referring decision wouldn’t matter. How long can I go on holding my head as the ball hits the bar, keeper, post or rebounds over the top. If luck evens itself out over the season we have got some coming our way for the second half. Still, 3 point against Birmingham and Ipswich fail to beat QPR and we’re in the top 6. But Lady Luck it’s got to be our turn and while I’m talking to you. Not so many injuries please.
Yes agreed, we haven't had much luck and had we nicked a winner yesterday nobody could have complained. Agree with MBTS, our midfield looks slow,Ince is a star in the making and will be such an asset. Orlandi made a difference, but a central mid with pace would be handy. We looked a bit one dimensional yesterday, can't see anything happening in January other than Bridcutt leaving and Conway.
[quote][p][bold]championshipgull[/bold] wrote: Credit to Eddie Howe for coming out and saying the Ref has made a mistake with the penalty decision but not only did it give Bournemouth a goal it allowed them to put 2 lines of 4 defenders behind the ball. We should have taken more of those chances and then the invertible bad referring decision wouldn’t matter. How long can I go on holding my head as the ball hits the bar, keeper, post or rebounds over the top. If luck evens itself out over the season we have got some coming our way for the second half. Still, 3 point against Birmingham and Ipswich fail to beat QPR and we’re in the top 6. But Lady Luck it’s got to be our turn and while I’m talking to you. Not so many injuries please.[/p][/quote]Yes agreed, we haven't had much luck and had we nicked a winner yesterday nobody could have complained. Agree with MBTS, our midfield looks slow,Ince is a star in the making and will be such an asset. Orlandi made a difference, but a central mid with pace would be handy. We looked a bit one dimensional yesterday, can't see anything happening in January other than Bridcutt leaving and Conway. Alfie T
  • Score: 5

12:40pm Thu 2 Jan 14

jockithenoo says...

I have to say it .
I thought Brighton where a bit clueless yesterday briddcutt was a bit lacklustre has his head been turned or carrying an injury . Ince was fantastic again but I'm afraid not many on the pitch turned up they seemed to be scared to have a shot kaz excepted we lacked pace allover and made them look good.
Anyway onwards and upwards
WE MARCH ON
I have to say it . I thought Brighton where a bit clueless yesterday briddcutt was a bit lacklustre has his head been turned or carrying an injury . Ince was fantastic again but I'm afraid not many on the pitch turned up they seemed to be scared to have a shot kaz excepted we lacked pace allover and made them look good. Anyway onwards and upwards WE MARCH ON jockithenoo
  • Score: -1

12:56pm Thu 2 Jan 14

championshipgull says...

Alfie T wrote:
championshipgull wrote:
Credit to Eddie Howe for coming out and saying the Ref has made a mistake with the penalty decision but not only did it give Bournemouth a goal it allowed them to put 2 lines of 4 defenders behind the ball. We should have taken more of those chances and then the invertible bad referring decision wouldn’t matter. How long can I go on holding my head as the ball hits the bar, keeper, post or rebounds over the top. If luck evens itself out over the season we have got some coming our way for the second half. Still, 3 point against Birmingham and Ipswich fail to beat QPR and we’re in the top 6. But Lady Luck it’s got to be our turn and while I’m talking to you. Not so many injuries please.
Yes agreed, we haven't had much luck and had we nicked a winner yesterday nobody could have complained. Agree with MBTS, our midfield looks slow,Ince is a star in the making and will be such an asset. Orlandi made a difference, but a central mid with pace would be handy. We looked a bit one dimensional yesterday, can't see anything happening in January other than Bridcutt leaving and Conway.
I’m normally in wsu but yesterday was nearer the pitch and Ince looked even more impressive. Any news from your contact re Kuszczak signing again. I think it was you that told us he was coming about a month before The Argus.
[quote][p][bold]Alfie T[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]championshipgull[/bold] wrote: Credit to Eddie Howe for coming out and saying the Ref has made a mistake with the penalty decision but not only did it give Bournemouth a goal it allowed them to put 2 lines of 4 defenders behind the ball. We should have taken more of those chances and then the invertible bad referring decision wouldn’t matter. How long can I go on holding my head as the ball hits the bar, keeper, post or rebounds over the top. If luck evens itself out over the season we have got some coming our way for the second half. Still, 3 point against Birmingham and Ipswich fail to beat QPR and we’re in the top 6. But Lady Luck it’s got to be our turn and while I’m talking to you. Not so many injuries please.[/p][/quote]Yes agreed, we haven't had much luck and had we nicked a winner yesterday nobody could have complained. Agree with MBTS, our midfield looks slow,Ince is a star in the making and will be such an asset. Orlandi made a difference, but a central mid with pace would be handy. We looked a bit one dimensional yesterday, can't see anything happening in January other than Bridcutt leaving and Conway.[/p][/quote]I’m normally in wsu but yesterday was nearer the pitch and Ince looked even more impressive. Any news from your contact re Kuszczak signing again. I think it was you that told us he was coming about a month before The Argus. championshipgull
  • Score: 0

1:00pm Thu 2 Jan 14

fansunited says...

Far gull wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
After the excitement and disappointment of yesterday's result , the same pattern of last season is emerging , lack of goals, we create lots of half chances and one maybe two good ones a game, for me it's a bit obvious !
Pass the ball to death, try and get some width .
I thought with exception of lua lua, our side has no pace, from defence to midfield, and again lua lua only player capable of beating a player with ball at feet.
Lots of teams looking for a draw can come and feel pretty comfortable knowing this, plus we play one striker, I now see why Barnes was so important to Gus , and his importance to the side. Barnes must play on the left as he did under Gus ,... Which leaves us still lacking pace , the partnership of crofts, bridcutt and ince ls to much of the same in my opinion, we lack a bit of craft and pace.
Taking upsons performance yesterday, top class player, lose him to injury and we will really struggle .
I would have liked to know what's happened to jfc and march? The lad barker has returned from Newport without hardly playing and again failing to score on loan..... There is a massive rebuilding job coming over next 6 months plus a clear out required.
All in all pleased with our position, but our home form is awful.
Agree with some of above and I was vilified for saying it yesterday but I think One or two leaving a good thing as we really need pace to break down opposition . Think ,although we were lucky to have him and he stayed fit ! Bridge a big miss this season.
Would like to see Solly a bit more ,but Oscar must see him in training up against our defenders and he can't be getting the better of them ,if he was he would be in I am sure ,given his promotion ot Ince and jfc earlier in the season.
This league all about scoring ,all sides get chances every game ,even Bournmouth had a couple yesterday on top of poor ref( which is quite a regular thing too)
At least we are at the bottom of the league,as long as every game counts we are in with a shout but Oscar has work to do for sure in the long run.
How can you say that Bridge has been a big miss this seaon? if he was fit he may have been, but he has played 10 games out of 23 for Reading a financal blessing i would say............
[quote][p][bold]Far gull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: After the excitement and disappointment of yesterday's result , the same pattern of last season is emerging , lack of goals, we create lots of half chances and one maybe two good ones a game, for me it's a bit obvious ! Pass the ball to death, try and get some width . I thought with exception of lua lua, our side has no pace, from defence to midfield, and again lua lua only player capable of beating a player with ball at feet. Lots of teams looking for a draw can come and feel pretty comfortable knowing this, plus we play one striker, I now see why Barnes was so important to Gus , and his importance to the side. Barnes must play on the left as he did under Gus ,... Which leaves us still lacking pace , the partnership of crofts, bridcutt and ince ls to much of the same in my opinion, we lack a bit of craft and pace. Taking upsons performance yesterday, top class player, lose him to injury and we will really struggle . I would have liked to know what's happened to jfc and march? The lad barker has returned from Newport without hardly playing and again failing to score on loan..... There is a massive rebuilding job coming over next 6 months plus a clear out required. All in all pleased with our position, but our home form is awful.[/p][/quote]Agree with some of above and I was vilified for saying it yesterday but I think One or two leaving a good thing as we really need pace to break down opposition . Think ,although we were lucky to have him and he stayed fit ! Bridge a big miss this season. Would like to see Solly a bit more ,but Oscar must see him in training up against our defenders and he can't be getting the better of them ,if he was he would be in I am sure ,given his promotion ot Ince and jfc earlier in the season. This league all about scoring ,all sides get chances every game ,even Bournmouth had a couple yesterday on top of poor ref( which is quite a regular thing too) At least we are at the bottom of the league,as long as every game counts we are in with a shout but Oscar has work to do for sure in the long run.[/p][/quote]How can you say that Bridge has been a big miss this seaon? if he was fit he may have been, but he has played 10 games out of 23 for Reading a financal blessing i would say............ fansunited
  • Score: 1

1:05pm Thu 2 Jan 14

EastWorthingExocetMissile says...

The excuses some people use as to why we don't win games at home are getting a bit tiresome. The facts don't lie. Since the the Doncaster first game at the Amex we have come back from one nil down to win at home just once. That it is in over two and a half seasons and over 100 plus games. A dreadful statistic whichever way you look at it.

We go into games far too defensively at home and don't play two strikers even though the rest of the top six do and make attacking substions very late in the game not allowing enough time to get results. We also struggle to have a plan b when we go a goal behind and teams park the bus. Our strikers (ullloa not withstanding) miss more than they should and are not good finishers so we can dominate possession and miss bag full of chances.

This is the reality, two and a half seasons of history don't lie. Refs decisions and blaming opposition tactics is all a smoke screen to these facts. Hopefully oscar admits this too himself privately.

If we won games at home we dominated possession wise we would have got automatic promotion last year and at least would be sitting right behind the the top two now, that is despite all our injuries. It costs us dear, let's hope mackail-smith and ullloa get played in the same side and click at home for second half iof the season.

On the plus side still unbeaten when bridcutt and Ince are in the same side. We split this partnership at our peril.
The excuses some people use as to why we don't win games at home are getting a bit tiresome. The facts don't lie. Since the the Doncaster first game at the Amex we have come back from one nil down to win at home just once. That it is in over two and a half seasons and over 100 plus games. A dreadful statistic whichever way you look at it. We go into games far too defensively at home and don't play two strikers even though the rest of the top six do and make attacking substions very late in the game not allowing enough time to get results. We also struggle to have a plan b when we go a goal behind and teams park the bus. Our strikers (ullloa not withstanding) miss more than they should and are not good finishers so we can dominate possession and miss bag full of chances. This is the reality, two and a half seasons of history don't lie. Refs decisions and blaming opposition tactics is all a smoke screen to these facts. Hopefully oscar admits this too himself privately. If we won games at home we dominated possession wise we would have got automatic promotion last year and at least would be sitting right behind the the top two now, that is despite all our injuries. It costs us dear, let's hope mackail-smith and ullloa get played in the same side and click at home for second half iof the season. On the plus side still unbeaten when bridcutt and Ince are in the same side. We split this partnership at our peril. EastWorthingExocetMissile
  • Score: 0

1:53pm Thu 2 Jan 14

mark by the sea says...

EastWorthingExocetMi
ssile
wrote:
The excuses some people use as to why we don't win games at home are getting a bit tiresome. The facts don't lie. Since the the Doncaster first game at the Amex we have come back from one nil down to win at home just once. That it is in over two and a half seasons and over 100 plus games. A dreadful statistic whichever way you look at it.

We go into games far too defensively at home and don't play two strikers even though the rest of the top six do and make attacking substions very late in the game not allowing enough time to get results. We also struggle to have a plan b when we go a goal behind and teams park the bus. Our strikers (ullloa not withstanding) miss more than they should and are not good finishers so we can dominate possession and miss bag full of chances.

This is the reality, two and a half seasons of history don't lie. Refs decisions and blaming opposition tactics is all a smoke screen to these facts. Hopefully oscar admits this too himself privately.

If we won games at home we dominated possession wise we would have got automatic promotion last year and at least would be sitting right behind the the top two now, that is despite all our injuries. It costs us dear, let's hope mackail-smith and ullloa get played in the same side and click at home for second half iof the season.

On the plus side still unbeaten when bridcutt and Ince are in the same side. We split this partnership at our peril.
I think your right about our home form, we only play one way for 80 minutes then throw caution to the wind, I think there is lack of players capable of getting into the box with ball at feet.. Exception is lua lua ,... But any scout watching us would spot that, Bournemouth had two on lua yesterday, and closed the door on his pace.
We also don't have a midfield player scoring 10 a season, for promotion we need a 18-20 season from ulloa, 12 from Barnes and 10 from central midfield... We are struggling to open sides at home.
[quote][p][bold]EastWorthingExocetMi ssile[/bold] wrote: The excuses some people use as to why we don't win games at home are getting a bit tiresome. The facts don't lie. Since the the Doncaster first game at the Amex we have come back from one nil down to win at home just once. That it is in over two and a half seasons and over 100 plus games. A dreadful statistic whichever way you look at it. We go into games far too defensively at home and don't play two strikers even though the rest of the top six do and make attacking substions very late in the game not allowing enough time to get results. We also struggle to have a plan b when we go a goal behind and teams park the bus. Our strikers (ullloa not withstanding) miss more than they should and are not good finishers so we can dominate possession and miss bag full of chances. This is the reality, two and a half seasons of history don't lie. Refs decisions and blaming opposition tactics is all a smoke screen to these facts. Hopefully oscar admits this too himself privately. If we won games at home we dominated possession wise we would have got automatic promotion last year and at least would be sitting right behind the the top two now, that is despite all our injuries. It costs us dear, let's hope mackail-smith and ullloa get played in the same side and click at home for second half iof the season. On the plus side still unbeaten when bridcutt and Ince are in the same side. We split this partnership at our peril.[/p][/quote]I think your right about our home form, we only play one way for 80 minutes then throw caution to the wind, I think there is lack of players capable of getting into the box with ball at feet.. Exception is lua lua ,... But any scout watching us would spot that, Bournemouth had two on lua yesterday, and closed the door on his pace. We also don't have a midfield player scoring 10 a season, for promotion we need a 18-20 season from ulloa, 12 from Barnes and 10 from central midfield... We are struggling to open sides at home. mark by the sea
  • Score: 1

2:07pm Thu 2 Jan 14

Alfie T says...

championshipgull wrote:
Alfie T wrote:
championshipgull wrote:
Credit to Eddie Howe for coming out and saying the Ref has made a mistake with the penalty decision but not only did it give Bournemouth a goal it allowed them to put 2 lines of 4 defenders behind the ball. We should have taken more of those chances and then the invertible bad referring decision wouldn’t matter. How long can I go on holding my head as the ball hits the bar, keeper, post or rebounds over the top. If luck evens itself out over the season we have got some coming our way for the second half. Still, 3 point against Birmingham and Ipswich fail to beat QPR and we’re in the top 6. But Lady Luck it’s got to be our turn and while I’m talking to you. Not so many injuries please.
Yes agreed, we haven't had much luck and had we nicked a winner yesterday nobody could have complained. Agree with MBTS, our midfield looks slow,Ince is a star in the making and will be such an asset. Orlandi made a difference, but a central mid with pace would be handy. We looked a bit one dimensional yesterday, can't see anything happening in January other than Bridcutt leaving and Conway.
I’m normally in wsu but yesterday was nearer the pitch and Ince looked even more impressive. Any news from your contact re Kuszczak signing again. I think it was you that told us he was coming about a month before The Argus.
Indeed I did, but the source of that info was via a friend with a personal connection. Unfortunately I have no more idea regarding possible additions than you CG. Personally, with everyone fit,I don't think we need more than a couple in, I think longer term defensive cover is a must as although they are decent, time is not on their side.
[quote][p][bold]championshipgull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alfie T[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]championshipgull[/bold] wrote: Credit to Eddie Howe for coming out and saying the Ref has made a mistake with the penalty decision but not only did it give Bournemouth a goal it allowed them to put 2 lines of 4 defenders behind the ball. We should have taken more of those chances and then the invertible bad referring decision wouldn’t matter. How long can I go on holding my head as the ball hits the bar, keeper, post or rebounds over the top. If luck evens itself out over the season we have got some coming our way for the second half. Still, 3 point against Birmingham and Ipswich fail to beat QPR and we’re in the top 6. But Lady Luck it’s got to be our turn and while I’m talking to you. Not so many injuries please.[/p][/quote]Yes agreed, we haven't had much luck and had we nicked a winner yesterday nobody could have complained. Agree with MBTS, our midfield looks slow,Ince is a star in the making and will be such an asset. Orlandi made a difference, but a central mid with pace would be handy. We looked a bit one dimensional yesterday, can't see anything happening in January other than Bridcutt leaving and Conway.[/p][/quote]I’m normally in wsu but yesterday was nearer the pitch and Ince looked even more impressive. Any news from your contact re Kuszczak signing again. I think it was you that told us he was coming about a month before The Argus.[/p][/quote]Indeed I did, but the source of that info was via a friend with a personal connection. Unfortunately I have no more idea regarding possible additions than you CG. Personally, with everyone fit,I don't think we need more than a couple in, I think longer term defensive cover is a must as although they are decent, time is not on their side. Alfie T
  • Score: 2

2:07pm Thu 2 Jan 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

mark by the sea wrote:
EastWorthingExocetMi

ssile
wrote:
The excuses some people use as to why we don't win games at home are getting a bit tiresome. The facts don't lie. Since the the Doncaster first game at the Amex we have come back from one nil down to win at home just once. That it is in over two and a half seasons and over 100 plus games. A dreadful statistic whichever way you look at it.

We go into games far too defensively at home and don't play two strikers even though the rest of the top six do and make attacking substions very late in the game not allowing enough time to get results. We also struggle to have a plan b when we go a goal behind and teams park the bus. Our strikers (ullloa not withstanding) miss more than they should and are not good finishers so we can dominate possession and miss bag full of chances.

This is the reality, two and a half seasons of history don't lie. Refs decisions and blaming opposition tactics is all a smoke screen to these facts. Hopefully oscar admits this too himself privately.

If we won games at home we dominated possession wise we would have got automatic promotion last year and at least would be sitting right behind the the top two now, that is despite all our injuries. It costs us dear, let's hope mackail-smith and ullloa get played in the same side and click at home for second half iof the season.

On the plus side still unbeaten when bridcutt and Ince are in the same side. We split this partnership at our peril.
I think your right about our home form, we only play one way for 80 minutes then throw caution to the wind, I think there is lack of players capable of getting into the box with ball at feet.. Exception is lua lua ,... But any scout watching us would spot that, Bournemouth had two on lua yesterday, and closed the door on his pace.
We also don't have a midfield player scoring 10 a season, for promotion we need a 18-20 season from ulloa, 12 from Barnes and 10 from central midfield... We are struggling to open sides at home.
Crofts hit 5 before the midpoint of the season, so you got that wrong for a start. Barnes reached 6 before the midpoint, so he may well still hit that totally arbitrary target. It's not how much each player scores, it whether we score more than we concede overall. And I don't think the stats show we're struggling to open sides (24 attempts in 90 mins against B'mouth, 7 of which were saved, 3 of which hit the woodwork), it's just that at the moment we're not converting.

If the opposition always play 2 on LuaLua then that leaves them a man short elsewhere.

If we play two up front all the time we risk losing the midfield, and if we do that there's no point in having two up front because they will rarely ever see the ball
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]EastWorthingExocetMi ssile[/bold] wrote: The excuses some people use as to why we don't win games at home are getting a bit tiresome. The facts don't lie. Since the the Doncaster first game at the Amex we have come back from one nil down to win at home just once. That it is in over two and a half seasons and over 100 plus games. A dreadful statistic whichever way you look at it. We go into games far too defensively at home and don't play two strikers even though the rest of the top six do and make attacking substions very late in the game not allowing enough time to get results. We also struggle to have a plan b when we go a goal behind and teams park the bus. Our strikers (ullloa not withstanding) miss more than they should and are not good finishers so we can dominate possession and miss bag full of chances. This is the reality, two and a half seasons of history don't lie. Refs decisions and blaming opposition tactics is all a smoke screen to these facts. Hopefully oscar admits this too himself privately. If we won games at home we dominated possession wise we would have got automatic promotion last year and at least would be sitting right behind the the top two now, that is despite all our injuries. It costs us dear, let's hope mackail-smith and ullloa get played in the same side and click at home for second half iof the season. On the plus side still unbeaten when bridcutt and Ince are in the same side. We split this partnership at our peril.[/p][/quote]I think your right about our home form, we only play one way for 80 minutes then throw caution to the wind, I think there is lack of players capable of getting into the box with ball at feet.. Exception is lua lua ,... But any scout watching us would spot that, Bournemouth had two on lua yesterday, and closed the door on his pace. We also don't have a midfield player scoring 10 a season, for promotion we need a 18-20 season from ulloa, 12 from Barnes and 10 from central midfield... We are struggling to open sides at home.[/p][/quote]Crofts hit 5 before the midpoint of the season, so you got that wrong for a start. Barnes reached 6 before the midpoint, so he may well still hit that totally arbitrary target. It's not how much each player scores, it whether we score more than we concede overall. And I don't think the stats show we're struggling to open sides (24 attempts in 90 mins against B'mouth, 7 of which were saved, 3 of which hit the woodwork), it's just that at the moment we're not converting. If the opposition always play 2 on LuaLua then that leaves them a man short elsewhere. If we play two up front all the time we risk losing the midfield, and if we do that there's no point in having two up front because they will rarely ever see the ball Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 2

2:35pm Thu 2 Jan 14

mark by the sea says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
EastWorthingExocetMi


ssile
wrote:
The excuses some people use as to why we don't win games at home are getting a bit tiresome. The facts don't lie. Since the the Doncaster first game at the Amex we have come back from one nil down to win at home just once. That it is in over two and a half seasons and over 100 plus games. A dreadful statistic whichever way you look at it.

We go into games far too defensively at home and don't play two strikers even though the rest of the top six do and make attacking substions very late in the game not allowing enough time to get results. We also struggle to have a plan b when we go a goal behind and teams park the bus. Our strikers (ullloa not withstanding) miss more than they should and are not good finishers so we can dominate possession and miss bag full of chances.

This is the reality, two and a half seasons of history don't lie. Refs decisions and blaming opposition tactics is all a smoke screen to these facts. Hopefully oscar admits this too himself privately.

If we won games at home we dominated possession wise we would have got automatic promotion last year and at least would be sitting right behind the the top two now, that is despite all our injuries. It costs us dear, let's hope mackail-smith and ullloa get played in the same side and click at home for second half iof the season.

On the plus side still unbeaten when bridcutt and Ince are in the same side. We split this partnership at our peril.
I think your right about our home form, we only play one way for 80 minutes then throw caution to the wind, I think there is lack of players capable of getting into the box with ball at feet.. Exception is lua lua ,... But any scout watching us would spot that, Bournemouth had two on lua yesterday, and closed the door on his pace.
We also don't have a midfield player scoring 10 a season, for promotion we need a 18-20 season from ulloa, 12 from Barnes and 10 from central midfield... We are struggling to open sides at home.
Crofts hit 5 before the midpoint of the season, so you got that wrong for a start. Barnes reached 6 before the midpoint, so he may well still hit that totally arbitrary target. It's not how much each player scores, it whether we score more than we concede overall. And I don't think the stats show we're struggling to open sides (24 attempts in 90 mins against B'mouth, 7 of which were saved, 3 of which hit the woodwork), it's just that at the moment we're not converting.

If the opposition always play 2 on LuaLua then that leaves them a man short elsewhere.

If we play two up front all the time we risk losing the midfield, and if we do that there's no point in having two up front because they will rarely ever see the ball
Stats don't show anything, had you been there we huffed and puffed with very little inspiration, crofts has scored a few ... But how many have the midfield scored? I think Calderon has scored more than ince, bridcutt Andrews and kemy put together.
We are struggling to open sides at the Amex , Buckley has been **** poor this season, his pace , his body language is way off .
Most of the top six play 2 up front, and score more goals! We should be capable of holding the midfield with bridcutt , ince and crofts..
You never said yesterday if club should sell Barnes ? At which point in next 29 days would you make that decision?
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]EastWorthingExocetMi ssile[/bold] wrote: The excuses some people use as to why we don't win games at home are getting a bit tiresome. The facts don't lie. Since the the Doncaster first game at the Amex we have come back from one nil down to win at home just once. That it is in over two and a half seasons and over 100 plus games. A dreadful statistic whichever way you look at it. We go into games far too defensively at home and don't play two strikers even though the rest of the top six do and make attacking substions very late in the game not allowing enough time to get results. We also struggle to have a plan b when we go a goal behind and teams park the bus. Our strikers (ullloa not withstanding) miss more than they should and are not good finishers so we can dominate possession and miss bag full of chances. This is the reality, two and a half seasons of history don't lie. Refs decisions and blaming opposition tactics is all a smoke screen to these facts. Hopefully oscar admits this too himself privately. If we won games at home we dominated possession wise we would have got automatic promotion last year and at least would be sitting right behind the the top two now, that is despite all our injuries. It costs us dear, let's hope mackail-smith and ullloa get played in the same side and click at home for second half iof the season. On the plus side still unbeaten when bridcutt and Ince are in the same side. We split this partnership at our peril.[/p][/quote]I think your right about our home form, we only play one way for 80 minutes then throw caution to the wind, I think there is lack of players capable of getting into the box with ball at feet.. Exception is lua lua ,... But any scout watching us would spot that, Bournemouth had two on lua yesterday, and closed the door on his pace. We also don't have a midfield player scoring 10 a season, for promotion we need a 18-20 season from ulloa, 12 from Barnes and 10 from central midfield... We are struggling to open sides at home.[/p][/quote]Crofts hit 5 before the midpoint of the season, so you got that wrong for a start. Barnes reached 6 before the midpoint, so he may well still hit that totally arbitrary target. It's not how much each player scores, it whether we score more than we concede overall. And I don't think the stats show we're struggling to open sides (24 attempts in 90 mins against B'mouth, 7 of which were saved, 3 of which hit the woodwork), it's just that at the moment we're not converting. If the opposition always play 2 on LuaLua then that leaves them a man short elsewhere. If we play two up front all the time we risk losing the midfield, and if we do that there's no point in having two up front because they will rarely ever see the ball[/p][/quote]Stats don't show anything, had you been there we huffed and puffed with very little inspiration, crofts has scored a few ... But how many have the midfield scored? I think Calderon has scored more than ince, bridcutt Andrews and kemy put together. We are struggling to open sides at the Amex , Buckley has been **** poor this season, his pace , his body language is way off . Most of the top six play 2 up front, and score more goals! We should be capable of holding the midfield with bridcutt , ince and crofts.. You never said yesterday if club should sell Barnes ? At which point in next 29 days would you make that decision? mark by the sea
  • Score: 1

3:00pm Thu 2 Jan 14

Far gull says...

fansunited wrote:
Far gull wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
After the excitement and disappointment of yesterday's result , the same pattern of last season is emerging , lack of goals, we create lots of half chances and one maybe two good ones a game, for me it's a bit obvious !
Pass the ball to death, try and get some width .
I thought with exception of lua lua, our side has no pace, from defence to midfield, and again lua lua only player capable of beating a player with ball at feet.
Lots of teams looking for a draw can come and feel pretty comfortable knowing this, plus we play one striker, I now see why Barnes was so important to Gus , and his importance to the side. Barnes must play on the left as he did under Gus ,... Which leaves us still lacking pace , the partnership of crofts, bridcutt and ince ls to much of the same in my opinion, we lack a bit of craft and pace.
Taking upsons performance yesterday, top class player, lose him to injury and we will really struggle .
I would have liked to know what's happened to jfc and march? The lad barker has returned from Newport without hardly playing and again failing to score on loan..... There is a massive rebuilding job coming over next 6 months plus a clear out required.
All in all pleased with our position, but our home form is awful.
Agree with some of above and I was vilified for saying it yesterday but I think One or two leaving a good thing as we really need pace to break down opposition . Think ,although we were lucky to have him and he stayed fit ! Bridge a big miss this season.
Would like to see Solly a bit more ,but Oscar must see him in training up against our defenders and he can't be getting the better of them ,if he was he would be in I am sure ,given his promotion ot Ince and jfc earlier in the season.
This league all about scoring ,all sides get chances every game ,even Bournmouth had a couple yesterday on top of poor ref( which is quite a regular thing too)
At least we are at the bottom of the league,as long as every game counts we are in with a shout but Oscar has work to do for sure in the long run.
How can you say that Bridge has been a big miss this seaon? if he was fit he may have been, but he has played 10 games out of 23 for Reading a financal blessing i would say............
Bridge a miss in that (we were lucky he stayed fit granted) his speed and overlaping winger type runs opened up spaces all over the pitch. .ward a good left back and our best player in a number of games but the top left backs are really good at defending wingers . Seen ashley cole and l bains live a d bridge
[quote][p][bold]fansunited[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Far gull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: After the excitement and disappointment of yesterday's result , the same pattern of last season is emerging , lack of goals, we create lots of half chances and one maybe two good ones a game, for me it's a bit obvious ! Pass the ball to death, try and get some width . I thought with exception of lua lua, our side has no pace, from defence to midfield, and again lua lua only player capable of beating a player with ball at feet. Lots of teams looking for a draw can come and feel pretty comfortable knowing this, plus we play one striker, I now see why Barnes was so important to Gus , and his importance to the side. Barnes must play on the left as he did under Gus ,... Which leaves us still lacking pace , the partnership of crofts, bridcutt and ince ls to much of the same in my opinion, we lack a bit of craft and pace. Taking upsons performance yesterday, top class player, lose him to injury and we will really struggle . I would have liked to know what's happened to jfc and march? The lad barker has returned from Newport without hardly playing and again failing to score on loan..... There is a massive rebuilding job coming over next 6 months plus a clear out required. All in all pleased with our position, but our home form is awful.[/p][/quote]Agree with some of above and I was vilified for saying it yesterday but I think One or two leaving a good thing as we really need pace to break down opposition . Think ,although we were lucky to have him and he stayed fit ! Bridge a big miss this season. Would like to see Solly a bit more ,but Oscar must see him in training up against our defenders and he can't be getting the better of them ,if he was he would be in I am sure ,given his promotion ot Ince and jfc earlier in the season. This league all about scoring ,all sides get chances every game ,even Bournmouth had a couple yesterday on top of poor ref( which is quite a regular thing too) At least we are at the bottom of the league,as long as every game counts we are in with a shout but Oscar has work to do for sure in the long run.[/p][/quote]How can you say that Bridge has been a big miss this seaon? if he was fit he may have been, but he has played 10 games out of 23 for Reading a financal blessing i would say............[/p][/quote]Bridge a miss in that (we were lucky he stayed fit granted) his speed and overlaping winger type runs opened up spaces all over the pitch. .ward a good left back and our best player in a number of games but the top left backs are really good at defending wingers . Seen ashley cole and l bains live a d bridge Far gull
  • Score: -1

3:54pm Thu 2 Jan 14

sussexram40 says...

We're all sick as a parrot it wasn't 3 but if I'm honest I would have settled for a point at the start.
We're all sick as a parrot it wasn't 3 but if I'm honest I would have settled for a point at the start. sussexram40
  • Score: -1

4:47pm Thu 2 Jan 14

fansunited says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Just checked championship attendances 13-14 , we are top at just under 27,000 , Leeds second, if you consider we are the most expensive , we should be in a strong position for now.
Amazing when only few years ago we could only muster 6000 at the withdean. The big job now is taking the club to the premier league without spending cash we don't have.
How many did Withdean hold? When we played at the Goldstone we had gates of 30,000. we always said build it and they will come!
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: Just checked championship attendances 13-14 , we are top at just under 27,000 , Leeds second, if you consider we are the most expensive , we should be in a strong position for now. Amazing when only few years ago we could only muster 6000 at the withdean. The big job now is taking the club to the premier league without spending cash we don't have.[/p][/quote]How many did Withdean hold? When we played at the Goldstone we had gates of 30,000. we always said build it and they will come! fansunited
  • Score: 1

5:11pm Thu 2 Jan 14

dave from bexill says...

fansunited wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Just checked championship attendances 13-14 , we are top at just under 27,000 , Leeds second, if you consider we are the most expensive , we should be in a strong position for now.
Amazing when only few years ago we could only muster 6000 at the withdean. The big job now is taking the club to the premier league without spending cash we don't have.
How many did Withdean hold? When we played at the Goldstone we had gates of 30,000. we always said build it and they will come!
30,000 at the Goldstone! How many times did that happen?
[quote][p][bold]fansunited[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: Just checked championship attendances 13-14 , we are top at just under 27,000 , Leeds second, if you consider we are the most expensive , we should be in a strong position for now. Amazing when only few years ago we could only muster 6000 at the withdean. The big job now is taking the club to the premier league without spending cash we don't have.[/p][/quote]How many did Withdean hold? When we played at the Goldstone we had gates of 30,000. we always said build it and they will come![/p][/quote]30,000 at the Goldstone! How many times did that happen? dave from bexill
  • Score: 0

5:37pm Thu 2 Jan 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
EastWorthingExocetMi



ssile
wrote:
The excuses some people use as to why we don't win games at home are getting a bit tiresome. The facts don't lie. Since the the Doncaster first game at the Amex we have come back from one nil down to win at home just once. That it is in over two and a half seasons and over 100 plus games. A dreadful statistic whichever way you look at it.

We go into games far too defensively at home and don't play two strikers even though the rest of the top six do and make attacking substions very late in the game not allowing enough time to get results. We also struggle to have a plan b when we go a goal behind and teams park the bus. Our strikers (ullloa not withstanding) miss more than they should and are not good finishers so we can dominate possession and miss bag full of chances.

This is the reality, two and a half seasons of history don't lie. Refs decisions and blaming opposition tactics is all a smoke screen to these facts. Hopefully oscar admits this too himself privately.

If we won games at home we dominated possession wise we would have got automatic promotion last year and at least would be sitting right behind the the top two now, that is despite all our injuries. It costs us dear, let's hope mackail-smith and ullloa get played in the same side and click at home for second half iof the season.

On the plus side still unbeaten when bridcutt and Ince are in the same side. We split this partnership at our peril.
I think your right about our home form, we only play one way for 80 minutes then throw caution to the wind, I think there is lack of players capable of getting into the box with ball at feet.. Exception is lua lua ,... But any scout watching us would spot that, Bournemouth had two on lua yesterday, and closed the door on his pace.
We also don't have a midfield player scoring 10 a season, for promotion we need a 18-20 season from ulloa, 12 from Barnes and 10 from central midfield... We are struggling to open sides at home.
Crofts hit 5 before the midpoint of the season, so you got that wrong for a start. Barnes reached 6 before the midpoint, so he may well still hit that totally arbitrary target. It's not how much each player scores, it whether we score more than we concede overall. And I don't think the stats show we're struggling to open sides (24 attempts in 90 mins against B'mouth, 7 of which were saved, 3 of which hit the woodwork), it's just that at the moment we're not converting.

If the opposition always play 2 on LuaLua then that leaves them a man short elsewhere.

If we play two up front all the time we risk losing the midfield, and if we do that there's no point in having two up front because they will rarely ever see the ball
Stats don't show anything, had you been there we huffed and puffed with very little inspiration, crofts has scored a few ... But how many have the midfield scored? I think Calderon has scored more than ince, bridcutt Andrews and kemy put together.
We are struggling to open sides at the Amex , Buckley has been **** poor this season, his pace , his body language is way off .
Most of the top six play 2 up front, and score more goals! We should be capable of holding the midfield with bridcutt , ince and crofts..
You never said yesterday if club should sell Barnes ? At which point in next 29 days would you make that decision?
"Stats don't show anything" - is one of the most ridiculous things I have heard on here. Why do you think clubs spend hundreds of thousands on statisticians and analysts? They precisely show that we created a lot of chances. What do you think would have been the result if Lee Camp hadn't been on his A game? We created more than enough to win, despite not being at our fluent best.

The Bournemouth fans have admitted that they were very lucky to get away from the Amex with anything, despite the lateness of the equaliser. Yes, there were periods in the second half when little happened, but you cannot play the same way for 90 minutes, you cannot have all of the play. Even Barcelona have spells where they look laboured.

You are also far too rigid in your ideas. Football is far more flexible than you seem to think. Does it matter if Calderon outscores the midfield? He is an attacking full-back! Ince is a converted defender, Bridcutt is a defensive midfielder who shields the back four and Kemy has hardly even played! It is results that count, not who scores the goals. Ulloa will always score, and we will generally keep it tidy at the back.

Playing two up front is seen as a panacea, but it really, really isn't. When we defend we play 4-5-1, when we attack it's nearer 4-3-3, but even these don't do the fluidity justice, which is why it's wrong to talk about Plan A and Plan B. There are many different formations played throughout the 90 minutes. You could also say that most of the bottom 6 play two up front, or most of non-league, but where has that got them? Most of the top 6 have scored more, but most have also conceded more due to the lack of midfield. And (with the exception of a freakish Burnley) they have done so with far larger budgets. Reading, Leicester, Notts Forest and QPR have spend bucket-loads with relatively little return.

OG has a specific, continental way of playing, and it allows for a lot of variation: the full backs can push on, the wingers can push up or tuck in, the forward can drop back, the CMs can rotate. Granted it isn't working perfectly at the moment, but that is as much to do with lack of pre-season as it is to do with inheriting someone else's squad. However, he is getting there. The fact we're only outside the play-offs on goal difference is testament to just how well his plans are working, considering the almost unprecedented amount of injuries he has had to contend with.

And as for Barnes, offer him precisely the contract he is worth. If someone offers what the club think if a fair valuation, and the club are confident that they have players to cover him, then sell him. I would make the decision to sell him only when that valuation had been met, but I would spend my time persuading him of the benefits of staying.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]EastWorthingExocetMi ssile[/bold] wrote: The excuses some people use as to why we don't win games at home are getting a bit tiresome. The facts don't lie. Since the the Doncaster first game at the Amex we have come back from one nil down to win at home just once. That it is in over two and a half seasons and over 100 plus games. A dreadful statistic whichever way you look at it. We go into games far too defensively at home and don't play two strikers even though the rest of the top six do and make attacking substions very late in the game not allowing enough time to get results. We also struggle to have a plan b when we go a goal behind and teams park the bus. Our strikers (ullloa not withstanding) miss more than they should and are not good finishers so we can dominate possession and miss bag full of chances. This is the reality, two and a half seasons of history don't lie. Refs decisions and blaming opposition tactics is all a smoke screen to these facts. Hopefully oscar admits this too himself privately. If we won games at home we dominated possession wise we would have got automatic promotion last year and at least would be sitting right behind the the top two now, that is despite all our injuries. It costs us dear, let's hope mackail-smith and ullloa get played in the same side and click at home for second half iof the season. On the plus side still unbeaten when bridcutt and Ince are in the same side. We split this partnership at our peril.[/p][/quote]I think your right about our home form, we only play one way for 80 minutes then throw caution to the wind, I think there is lack of players capable of getting into the box with ball at feet.. Exception is lua lua ,... But any scout watching us would spot that, Bournemouth had two on lua yesterday, and closed the door on his pace. We also don't have a midfield player scoring 10 a season, for promotion we need a 18-20 season from ulloa, 12 from Barnes and 10 from central midfield... We are struggling to open sides at home.[/p][/quote]Crofts hit 5 before the midpoint of the season, so you got that wrong for a start. Barnes reached 6 before the midpoint, so he may well still hit that totally arbitrary target. It's not how much each player scores, it whether we score more than we concede overall. And I don't think the stats show we're struggling to open sides (24 attempts in 90 mins against B'mouth, 7 of which were saved, 3 of which hit the woodwork), it's just that at the moment we're not converting. If the opposition always play 2 on LuaLua then that leaves them a man short elsewhere. If we play two up front all the time we risk losing the midfield, and if we do that there's no point in having two up front because they will rarely ever see the ball[/p][/quote]Stats don't show anything, had you been there we huffed and puffed with very little inspiration, crofts has scored a few ... But how many have the midfield scored? I think Calderon has scored more than ince, bridcutt Andrews and kemy put together. We are struggling to open sides at the Amex , Buckley has been **** poor this season, his pace , his body language is way off . Most of the top six play 2 up front, and score more goals! We should be capable of holding the midfield with bridcutt , ince and crofts.. You never said yesterday if club should sell Barnes ? At which point in next 29 days would you make that decision?[/p][/quote]"Stats don't show anything" - is one of the most ridiculous things I have heard on here. Why do you think clubs spend hundreds of thousands on statisticians and analysts? They precisely show that we created a lot of chances. What do you think would have been the result if Lee Camp hadn't been on his A game? We created more than enough to win, despite not being at our fluent best. The Bournemouth fans have admitted that they were very lucky to get away from the Amex with anything, despite the lateness of the equaliser. Yes, there were periods in the second half when little happened, but you cannot play the same way for 90 minutes, you cannot have all of the play. Even Barcelona have spells where they look laboured. You are also far too rigid in your ideas. Football is far more flexible than you seem to think. Does it matter if Calderon outscores the midfield? He is an attacking full-back! Ince is a converted defender, Bridcutt is a defensive midfielder who shields the back four and Kemy has hardly even played! It is results that count, not who scores the goals. Ulloa will always score, and we will generally keep it tidy at the back. Playing two up front is seen as a panacea, but it really, really isn't. When we defend we play 4-5-1, when we attack it's nearer 4-3-3, but even these don't do the fluidity justice, which is why it's wrong to talk about Plan A and Plan B. There are many different formations played throughout the 90 minutes. You could also say that most of the bottom 6 play two up front, or most of non-league, but where has that got them? Most of the top 6 have scored more, but most have also conceded more due to the lack of midfield. And (with the exception of a freakish Burnley) they have done so with far larger budgets. Reading, Leicester, Notts Forest and QPR have spend bucket-loads with relatively little return. OG has a specific, continental way of playing, and it allows for a lot of variation: the full backs can push on, the wingers can push up or tuck in, the forward can drop back, the CMs can rotate. Granted it isn't working perfectly at the moment, but that is as much to do with lack of pre-season as it is to do with inheriting someone else's squad. However, he is getting there. The fact we're only outside the play-offs on goal difference is testament to just how well his plans are working, considering the almost unprecedented amount of injuries he has had to contend with. And as for Barnes, offer him precisely the contract he is worth. If someone offers what the club think if a fair valuation, and the club are confident that they have players to cover him, then sell him. I would make the decision to sell him only when that valuation had been met, but I would spend my time persuading him of the benefits of staying. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 4

6:49pm Thu 2 Jan 14

EastWorthingExocetMissile says...

Ex-pat arnie you should speak to Steve maclaren, Harry redknapp, mick McCarthy, Nigel Pearson and co and tell them that there playing two strikers up front at home against weak opposition totally won't work and they should follow what brighton do at home as they don't know what there talking about.

Stats over 100 plus games, don't lie. Just one win after going behind at home in all that time, not defensible, and shouldn't be justified. There is a time to bold and when at home against mid-table and below is the time.

Otherwise you just get what happened at home this season against, millwall, Huddersfield, Barnsley, Sheffield wed, And now Bournemouth. This list will increase unless we get bolder at home.
Ex-pat arnie you should speak to Steve maclaren, Harry redknapp, mick McCarthy, Nigel Pearson and co and tell them that there playing two strikers up front at home against weak opposition totally won't work and they should follow what brighton do at home as they don't know what there talking about. Stats over 100 plus games, don't lie. Just one win after going behind at home in all that time, not defensible, and shouldn't be justified. There is a time to bold and when at home against mid-table and below is the time. Otherwise you just get what happened at home this season against, millwall, Huddersfield, Barnsley, Sheffield wed, And now Bournemouth. This list will increase unless we get bolder at home. EastWorthingExocetMissile
  • Score: 2

7:03pm Thu 2 Jan 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

EastWorthingExocetMi
ssile - the problem here is you seem certain that playing two strikers in these games would have changed them for the better. That is pure guesswork and no more.

Do you remember Ossie Ardiles when he was manager at Spurs? He played five forwards and it was fantastic to watch: unfortunately they shipped goals at an alarming rate and he was swiftly sacked.

Harry Redknapp has barely played two strikers all season, so I'd keep him out of your examples. But he like the others they are English managers schooled in 4-4-2, so that is the way they tend play. OG is schooled in a different, more felxible formation, so that is the way he plays. Using the teams at the top as examples of two strikers equalling success is disingenuous, because it ignores all the unsuccessful teams that also play 4-4-2. Gus played one striker last season and we finished 4th.

PS: The "not winning when behind" stat is unusual, but then (until recently) we also never lost when leading. Swings and roundabouts.
EastWorthingExocetMi ssile - the problem here is you seem certain that playing two strikers in these games would have changed them for the better. That is pure guesswork and no more. Do you remember Ossie Ardiles when he was manager at Spurs? He played five forwards and it was fantastic to watch: unfortunately they shipped goals at an alarming rate and he was swiftly sacked. Harry Redknapp has barely played two strikers all season, so I'd keep him out of your examples. But he like the others they are English managers schooled in 4-4-2, so that is the way they tend play. OG is schooled in a different, more felxible formation, so that is the way he plays. Using the teams at the top as examples of two strikers equalling success is disingenuous, because it ignores all the unsuccessful teams that also play 4-4-2. Gus played one striker last season and we finished 4th. PS: The "not winning when behind" stat is unusual, but then (until recently) we also never lost when leading. Swings and roundabouts. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 1

7:19pm Thu 2 Jan 14

Baldseagull says...

I wouldn't have said we were outstanding, we did create chances but build up was slow and a lot of over hit passes going out for throws etc.
I felt Bournemouth pressed us well and worked hard for their point, but we still should have put more than 1 past them.
They coped with Kaz well, limiting his ability to cross and to cut in and their keeper had a good luck day on top of a couple of good saves.
I wouldn't have said we were outstanding, we did create chances but build up was slow and a lot of over hit passes going out for throws etc. I felt Bournemouth pressed us well and worked hard for their point, but we still should have put more than 1 past them. They coped with Kaz well, limiting his ability to cross and to cut in and their keeper had a good luck day on top of a couple of good saves. Baldseagull
  • Score: 2

9:08pm Thu 2 Jan 14

ringtone says...

dave from bexill wrote:
fansunited wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Just checked championship attendances 13-14 , we are top at just under 27,000 , Leeds second, if you consider we are the most expensive , we should be in a strong position for now.
Amazing when only few years ago we could only muster 6000 at the withdean. The big job now is taking the club to the premier league without spending cash we don't have.
How many did Withdean hold? When we played at the Goldstone we had gates of 30,000. we always said build it and they will come!
30,000 at the Goldstone! How many times did that happen?
record attendance 36 000 v Fulham I think.

Good luck trying to top that at the Amex.
[quote][p][bold]dave from bexill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fansunited[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: Just checked championship attendances 13-14 , we are top at just under 27,000 , Leeds second, if you consider we are the most expensive , we should be in a strong position for now. Amazing when only few years ago we could only muster 6000 at the withdean. The big job now is taking the club to the premier league without spending cash we don't have.[/p][/quote]How many did Withdean hold? When we played at the Goldstone we had gates of 30,000. we always said build it and they will come![/p][/quote]30,000 at the Goldstone! How many times did that happen?[/p][/quote]record attendance 36 000 v Fulham I think. Good luck trying to top that at the Amex. ringtone
  • Score: 1

9:31pm Thu 2 Jan 14

mark by the sea says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
EastWorthingExocetMi




ssile
wrote:
The excuses some people use as to why we don't win games at home are getting a bit tiresome. The facts don't lie. Since the the Doncaster first game at the Amex we have come back from one nil down to win at home just once. That it is in over two and a half seasons and over 100 plus games. A dreadful statistic whichever way you look at it.

We go into games far too defensively at home and don't play two strikers even though the rest of the top six do and make attacking substions very late in the game not allowing enough time to get results. We also struggle to have a plan b when we go a goal behind and teams park the bus. Our strikers (ullloa not withstanding) miss more than they should and are not good finishers so we can dominate possession and miss bag full of chances.

This is the reality, two and a half seasons of history don't lie. Refs decisions and blaming opposition tactics is all a smoke screen to these facts. Hopefully oscar admits this too himself privately.

If we won games at home we dominated possession wise we would have got automatic promotion last year and at least would be sitting right behind the the top two now, that is despite all our injuries. It costs us dear, let's hope mackail-smith and ullloa get played in the same side and click at home for second half iof the season.

On the plus side still unbeaten when bridcutt and Ince are in the same side. We split this partnership at our peril.
I think your right about our home form, we only play one way for 80 minutes then throw caution to the wind, I think there is lack of players capable of getting into the box with ball at feet.. Exception is lua lua ,... But any scout watching us would spot that, Bournemouth had two on lua yesterday, and closed the door on his pace.
We also don't have a midfield player scoring 10 a season, for promotion we need a 18-20 season from ulloa, 12 from Barnes and 10 from central midfield... We are struggling to open sides at home.
Crofts hit 5 before the midpoint of the season, so you got that wrong for a start. Barnes reached 6 before the midpoint, so he may well still hit that totally arbitrary target. It's not how much each player scores, it whether we score more than we concede overall. And I don't think the stats show we're struggling to open sides (24 attempts in 90 mins against B'mouth, 7 of which were saved, 3 of which hit the woodwork), it's just that at the moment we're not converting.

If the opposition always play 2 on LuaLua then that leaves them a man short elsewhere.

If we play two up front all the time we risk losing the midfield, and if we do that there's no point in having two up front because they will rarely ever see the ball
Stats don't show anything, had you been there we huffed and puffed with very little inspiration, crofts has scored a few ... But how many have the midfield scored? I think Calderon has scored more than ince, bridcutt Andrews and kemy put together.
We are struggling to open sides at the Amex , Buckley has been **** poor this season, his pace , his body language is way off .
Most of the top six play 2 up front, and score more goals! We should be capable of holding the midfield with bridcutt , ince and crofts..
You never said yesterday if club should sell Barnes ? At which point in next 29 days would you make that decision?
"Stats don't show anything" - is one of the most ridiculous things I have heard on here. Why do you think clubs spend hundreds of thousands on statisticians and analysts? They precisely show that we created a lot of chances. What do you think would have been the result if Lee Camp hadn't been on his A game? We created more than enough to win, despite not being at our fluent best.

The Bournemouth fans have admitted that they were very lucky to get away from the Amex with anything, despite the lateness of the equaliser. Yes, there were periods in the second half when little happened, but you cannot play the same way for 90 minutes, you cannot have all of the play. Even Barcelona have spells where they look laboured.

You are also far too rigid in your ideas. Football is far more flexible than you seem to think. Does it matter if Calderon outscores the midfield? He is an attacking full-back! Ince is a converted defender, Bridcutt is a defensive midfielder who shields the back four and Kemy has hardly even played! It is results that count, not who scores the goals. Ulloa will always score, and we will generally keep it tidy at the back.

Playing two up front is seen as a panacea, but it really, really isn't. When we defend we play 4-5-1, when we attack it's nearer 4-3-3, but even these don't do the fluidity justice, which is why it's wrong to talk about Plan A and Plan B. There are many different formations played throughout the 90 minutes. You could also say that most of the bottom 6 play two up front, or most of non-league, but where has that got them? Most of the top 6 have scored more, but most have also conceded more due to the lack of midfield. And (with the exception of a freakish Burnley) they have done so with far larger budgets. Reading, Leicester, Notts Forest and QPR have spend bucket-loads with relatively little return.

OG has a specific, continental way of playing, and it allows for a lot of variation: the full backs can push on, the wingers can push up or tuck in, the forward can drop back, the CMs can rotate. Granted it isn't working perfectly at the moment, but that is as much to do with lack of pre-season as it is to do with inheriting someone else's squad. However, he is getting there. The fact we're only outside the play-offs on goal difference is testament to just how well his plans are working, considering the almost unprecedented amount of injuries he has had to contend with.

And as for Barnes, offer him precisely the contract he is worth. If someone offers what the club think if a fair valuation, and the club are confident that they have players to cover him, then sell him. I would make the decision to sell him only when that valuation had been met, but I would spend my time persuading him of the benefits of staying.
But his value is going down as the window draws closer to closing, Barnes agent will want 25% at least of any sale price...
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]EastWorthingExocetMi ssile[/bold] wrote: The excuses some people use as to why we don't win games at home are getting a bit tiresome. The facts don't lie. Since the the Doncaster first game at the Amex we have come back from one nil down to win at home just once. That it is in over two and a half seasons and over 100 plus games. A dreadful statistic whichever way you look at it. We go into games far too defensively at home and don't play two strikers even though the rest of the top six do and make attacking substions very late in the game not allowing enough time to get results. We also struggle to have a plan b when we go a goal behind and teams park the bus. Our strikers (ullloa not withstanding) miss more than they should and are not good finishers so we can dominate possession and miss bag full of chances. This is the reality, two and a half seasons of history don't lie. Refs decisions and blaming opposition tactics is all a smoke screen to these facts. Hopefully oscar admits this too himself privately. If we won games at home we dominated possession wise we would have got automatic promotion last year and at least would be sitting right behind the the top two now, that is despite all our injuries. It costs us dear, let's hope mackail-smith and ullloa get played in the same side and click at home for second half iof the season. On the plus side still unbeaten when bridcutt and Ince are in the same side. We split this partnership at our peril.[/p][/quote]I think your right about our home form, we only play one way for 80 minutes then throw caution to the wind, I think there is lack of players capable of getting into the box with ball at feet.. Exception is lua lua ,... But any scout watching us would spot that, Bournemouth had two on lua yesterday, and closed the door on his pace. We also don't have a midfield player scoring 10 a season, for promotion we need a 18-20 season from ulloa, 12 from Barnes and 10 from central midfield... We are struggling to open sides at home.[/p][/quote]Crofts hit 5 before the midpoint of the season, so you got that wrong for a start. Barnes reached 6 before the midpoint, so he may well still hit that totally arbitrary target. It's not how much each player scores, it whether we score more than we concede overall. And I don't think the stats show we're struggling to open sides (24 attempts in 90 mins against B'mouth, 7 of which were saved, 3 of which hit the woodwork), it's just that at the moment we're not converting. If the opposition always play 2 on LuaLua then that leaves them a man short elsewhere. If we play two up front all the time we risk losing the midfield, and if we do that there's no point in having two up front because they will rarely ever see the ball[/p][/quote]Stats don't show anything, had you been there we huffed and puffed with very little inspiration, crofts has scored a few ... But how many have the midfield scored? I think Calderon has scored more than ince, bridcutt Andrews and kemy put together. We are struggling to open sides at the Amex , Buckley has been **** poor this season, his pace , his body language is way off . Most of the top six play 2 up front, and score more goals! We should be capable of holding the midfield with bridcutt , ince and crofts.. You never said yesterday if club should sell Barnes ? At which point in next 29 days would you make that decision?[/p][/quote]"Stats don't show anything" - is one of the most ridiculous things I have heard on here. Why do you think clubs spend hundreds of thousands on statisticians and analysts? They precisely show that we created a lot of chances. What do you think would have been the result if Lee Camp hadn't been on his A game? We created more than enough to win, despite not being at our fluent best. The Bournemouth fans have admitted that they were very lucky to get away from the Amex with anything, despite the lateness of the equaliser. Yes, there were periods in the second half when little happened, but you cannot play the same way for 90 minutes, you cannot have all of the play. Even Barcelona have spells where they look laboured. You are also far too rigid in your ideas. Football is far more flexible than you seem to think. Does it matter if Calderon outscores the midfield? He is an attacking full-back! Ince is a converted defender, Bridcutt is a defensive midfielder who shields the back four and Kemy has hardly even played! It is results that count, not who scores the goals. Ulloa will always score, and we will generally keep it tidy at the back. Playing two up front is seen as a panacea, but it really, really isn't. When we defend we play 4-5-1, when we attack it's nearer 4-3-3, but even these don't do the fluidity justice, which is why it's wrong to talk about Plan A and Plan B. There are many different formations played throughout the 90 minutes. You could also say that most of the bottom 6 play two up front, or most of non-league, but where has that got them? Most of the top 6 have scored more, but most have also conceded more due to the lack of midfield. And (with the exception of a freakish Burnley) they have done so with far larger budgets. Reading, Leicester, Notts Forest and QPR have spend bucket-loads with relatively little return. OG has a specific, continental way of playing, and it allows for a lot of variation: the full backs can push on, the wingers can push up or tuck in, the forward can drop back, the CMs can rotate. Granted it isn't working perfectly at the moment, but that is as much to do with lack of pre-season as it is to do with inheriting someone else's squad. However, he is getting there. The fact we're only outside the play-offs on goal difference is testament to just how well his plans are working, considering the almost unprecedented amount of injuries he has had to contend with. And as for Barnes, offer him precisely the contract he is worth. If someone offers what the club think if a fair valuation, and the club are confident that they have players to cover him, then sell him. I would make the decision to sell him only when that valuation had been met, but I would spend my time persuading him of the benefits of staying.[/p][/quote]But his value is going down as the window draws closer to closing, Barnes agent will want 25% at least of any sale price... mark by the sea
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9:47pm Thu 2 Jan 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

Mark, you seem to be automatically giving yourself the thumbs up. If so, that's bad form and suggests a lack of confidence in your argument, does it not? (Ringtone does it and we all know what everyone thinks of that particular troll!) If it's not you then you have an uber-fan/stalker who presses that button within seconds of your every post - I'd buy him a beer if I were you.

You've ignored everything else I've said and fixated on Barnes, but, although
I can see why you would think Barnes's value might decrease, as the final days of the window approach the buying teams tend to panic and increase their offers as desperation kicks in. Personally I think he will re-sign or will be sold (rather than letting his contract wind down to a free transfer), probably the former - but with the pathetic moaning aimed at him match after match I wouldn't blame him for wanting a fresh start.
Mark, you seem to be automatically giving yourself the thumbs up. If so, that's bad form and suggests a lack of confidence in your argument, does it not? (Ringtone does it and we all know what everyone thinks of that particular troll!) If it's not you then you have an uber-fan/stalker who presses that button within seconds of your every post - I'd buy him a beer if I were you. You've ignored everything else I've said and fixated on Barnes, but, although I can see why you would think Barnes's value might decrease, as the final days of the window approach the buying teams tend to panic and increase their offers as desperation kicks in. Personally I think he will re-sign or will be sold (rather than letting his contract wind down to a free transfer), probably the former - but with the pathetic moaning aimed at him match after match I wouldn't blame him for wanting a fresh start. Ex-pat Arnie
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9:56pm Thu 2 Jan 14

blue-eyed-boy says...

Correct me if I'm wrong but the Goldstone never saw 30,000 when we were in the old 1st Division, but who cares, it where we are now that maters & that's the AMEX, Brilliant!
Correct me if I'm wrong but the Goldstone never saw 30,000 when we were in the old 1st Division, but who cares, it where we are now that maters & that's the AMEX, Brilliant! blue-eyed-boy
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11:49pm Thu 2 Jan 14

OldGull says...

The 442............ 2 striker fixation is becoming boring.
We play a passing game which requires loading the midfield.
For every successful team playing 442, there are many more that fail.

How many World cup winning teams have played with 2 strikers?
How many Champions league winning teams play with 2 strikers?

Yes, the Manchester clubs use 2 strikers but
Arsenal & Chelsea don't

England have consistently failed playing 442

Brighton are trying to play a continental style which will ultimately prove successful.

So either get used to it or go and support a team managed by the likes of Pullis
The 442............ 2 striker fixation is becoming boring. We play a passing game which requires loading the midfield. For every successful team playing 442, there are many more that fail. How many World cup winning teams have played with 2 strikers? How many Champions league winning teams play with 2 strikers? Yes, the Manchester clubs use 2 strikers but Arsenal & Chelsea don't England have consistently failed playing 442 Brighton are trying to play a continental style which will ultimately prove successful. So either get used to it or go and support a team managed by the likes of Pullis OldGull
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12:25am Fri 3 Jan 14

mark by the sea says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
Mark, you seem to be automatically giving yourself the thumbs up. If so, that's bad form and suggests a lack of confidence in your argument, does it not? (Ringtone does it and we all know what everyone thinks of that particular troll!) If it's not you then you have an uber-fan/stalker who presses that button within seconds of your every post - I'd buy him a beer if I were you.

You've ignored everything else I've said and fixated on Barnes, but, although
I can see why you would think Barnes's value might decrease, as the final days of the window approach the buying teams tend to panic and increase their offers as desperation kicks in. Personally I think he will re-sign or will be sold (rather than letting his contract wind down to a free transfer), probably the former - but with the pathetic moaning aimed at him match after match I wouldn't blame him for wanting a fresh start.
I seriously don't give a thumbs up ever! If you read all the comments, I get a minus, someone who agrees with me gets a plus 3,,
We can't force Barnes to sign a contract, if we want to sell him , he will have to agree to that, and he can demand what percentage. He wants! The club are going to struggle to refuse his desire to join Burnley .
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: Mark, you seem to be automatically giving yourself the thumbs up. If so, that's bad form and suggests a lack of confidence in your argument, does it not? (Ringtone does it and we all know what everyone thinks of that particular troll!) If it's not you then you have an uber-fan/stalker who presses that button within seconds of your every post - I'd buy him a beer if I were you. You've ignored everything else I've said and fixated on Barnes, but, although I can see why you would think Barnes's value might decrease, as the final days of the window approach the buying teams tend to panic and increase their offers as desperation kicks in. Personally I think he will re-sign or will be sold (rather than letting his contract wind down to a free transfer), probably the former - but with the pathetic moaning aimed at him match after match I wouldn't blame him for wanting a fresh start.[/p][/quote]I seriously don't give a thumbs up ever! If you read all the comments, I get a minus, someone who agrees with me gets a plus 3,, We can't force Barnes to sign a contract, if we want to sell him , he will have to agree to that, and he can demand what percentage. He wants! The club are going to struggle to refuse his desire to join Burnley . mark by the sea
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