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What do you think - have Albion got the tactics right for away matches?

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Albion are struggling for goals on the road. So do they need to be more attack minded away from The Amex? Or doe sa tally of five wins and an enviable defensive record suggest they might have got the tactics right? We' love to know your thoughts

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12:16pm Sun 19 Jan 14

Andrea Orlandigasm says...

Our away record is very good. We're not there to entertain the home fans by allowing them to score several goals in an open game! The problem has been dropping too many points at home against the likes of Barnsley, Millwall and Sheffield Wednesday. Sort that out and we have a good chance of reaching the play-offs.
Our away record is very good. We're not there to entertain the home fans by allowing them to score several goals in an open game! The problem has been dropping too many points at home against the likes of Barnsley, Millwall and Sheffield Wednesday. Sort that out and we have a good chance of reaching the play-offs. Andrea Orlandigasm
  • Score: 10

12:19pm Sun 19 Jan 14

pjwilk says...

Attacking line up with two goalscorers up front,if we only play for a draw thats the most we will get and if they get a goal its game over.We are very negative.
Attacking line up with two goalscorers up front,if we only play for a draw thats the most we will get and if they get a goal its game over.We are very negative. pjwilk
  • Score: 1

12:38pm Sun 19 Jan 14

WoodingdeanDS says...

The question raised about whether Albion (shouldn't that be Oscar?) have got the tactics right is off the mark - what tactics? I don't think OG knows what to play either as a so-called 'winning formula', or for specific opponents. Until everyone is fit and available selection and tactics will continue to be 'hit and miss'! I'm looking forward to OGs retain and transfer list at the and of the season. That, more than the outcome of this season, will define him as an Albion manager.
The question raised about whether Albion (shouldn't that be Oscar?) have got the tactics right is off the mark - what tactics? I don't think OG knows what to play either as a so-called 'winning formula', or for specific opponents. Until everyone is fit and available selection and tactics will continue to be 'hit and miss'! I'm looking forward to OGs retain and transfer list at the and of the season. That, more than the outcome of this season, will define him as an Albion manager. WoodingdeanDS
  • Score: 2

12:49pm Sun 19 Jan 14

Dolph Ins says...

I think the away tactics are about right but we need to be more positive at home.
I think the away tactics are about right but we need to be more positive at home. Dolph Ins
  • Score: 3

1:21pm Sun 19 Jan 14

Steyning reject says...

WoodingdeanDS wrote:
The question raised about whether Albion (shouldn't that be Oscar?) have got the tactics right is off the mark - what tactics? I don't think OG knows what to play either as a so-called 'winning formula', or for specific opponents. Until everyone is fit and available selection and tactics will continue to be 'hit and miss'! I'm looking forward to OGs retain and transfer list at the and of the season. That, more than the outcome of this season, will define him as an Albion manager.
Well these are the players with coming up for renewal who would you keep?

Peter Brezovan
Bruno Salter
Will Hoskins
Andrea Orlandi
Inigo Calderon
Casper Ankergren
Matthew Upson
David Lopez
Brennan Dickenson
Kazenga Lualua
Tomaz Kuszczak
Grant Smith
[quote][p][bold]WoodingdeanDS[/bold] wrote: The question raised about whether Albion (shouldn't that be Oscar?) have got the tactics right is off the mark - what tactics? I don't think OG knows what to play either as a so-called 'winning formula', or for specific opponents. Until everyone is fit and available selection and tactics will continue to be 'hit and miss'! I'm looking forward to OGs retain and transfer list at the and of the season. That, more than the outcome of this season, will define him as an Albion manager.[/p][/quote]Well these are the players with coming up for renewal who would you keep? Peter Brezovan Bruno Salter Will Hoskins Andrea Orlandi Inigo Calderon Casper Ankergren Matthew Upson David Lopez Brennan Dickenson Kazenga Lualua Tomaz Kuszczak Grant Smith Steyning reject
  • Score: 0

2:04pm Sun 19 Jan 14

VegasSeagull says...

Steyning reject wrote:
WoodingdeanDS wrote:
The question raised about whether Albion (shouldn't that be Oscar?) have got the tactics right is off the mark - what tactics? I don't think OG knows what to play either as a so-called 'winning formula', or for specific opponents. Until everyone is fit and available selection and tactics will continue to be 'hit and miss'! I'm looking forward to OGs retain and transfer list at the and of the season. That, more than the outcome of this season, will define him as an Albion manager.
Well these are the players with coming up for renewal who would you keep?

Peter Brezovan
Bruno Salter
Will Hoskins
Andrea Orlandi
Inigo Calderon
Casper Ankergren
Matthew Upson
David Lopez
Brennan Dickenson
Kazenga Lualua
Tomaz Kuszczak
Grant Smith
in what division?
[quote][p][bold]Steyning reject[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WoodingdeanDS[/bold] wrote: The question raised about whether Albion (shouldn't that be Oscar?) have got the tactics right is off the mark - what tactics? I don't think OG knows what to play either as a so-called 'winning formula', or for specific opponents. Until everyone is fit and available selection and tactics will continue to be 'hit and miss'! I'm looking forward to OGs retain and transfer list at the and of the season. That, more than the outcome of this season, will define him as an Albion manager.[/p][/quote]Well these are the players with coming up for renewal who would you keep? Peter Brezovan Bruno Salter Will Hoskins Andrea Orlandi Inigo Calderon Casper Ankergren Matthew Upson David Lopez Brennan Dickenson Kazenga Lualua Tomaz Kuszczak Grant Smith[/p][/quote]in what division? VegasSeagull
  • Score: 0

2:29pm Sun 19 Jan 14

Gazza by the sea says...

Tactics probably ok for the squad we have. We are so tight because we play the holding midfielder. And we probably do that (a) because our centre backs are not the quickest and need the support and (b) we build from the back so we need someone readily available for the centre backs to give it to - although Gordon seems to have forgotten that's what we do recently and is playing far too many wasteful long balls.

I don't think we can play 4-4-2 with our current centre backs. That means we can only play one up front. The key to our success will be getting the blend right in the 'front' 4 in our 4-1-4-1. And it also means the 2 wide players have to provide good service to Ulloa and work hard to get up and support him when are going forward. Kaz can do that on the left and Buckley can do it on the right (when he's fit!).

Without the two of them we are left with Lopez on the right who is not really Mr high energy (or indeed any energy) and Orlandi on the left and he seems more comfortable playing inside as a playmaker rather than getting wide and supplying Ulloa.

The key for me is the 2 players at the heart of our midfield. Andrews seems the most assured to take the Bridcutt role (although not his greatest performance yesterday) and most of us would consider Ince as a shoe-in for one of the two other spots but no-one else (of the current fit squad) is making strong claims for a regular pick. Kemy looks like he has the guile to do well but is clearly not convincing Oscar in training or he'd be starting more frequently. JFC seems to do ok when he plays without setting the world alight.

I think Ince has the work rate to cover Crofts absence so the priority recruitment need for me is the creative number 10 to open up the service to Leo. A fit Vicente would be perfect.

Come on Vegas - hasn't your research thrown up a good candidate for under £1m?.........
Tactics probably ok for the squad we have. We are so tight because we play the holding midfielder. And we probably do that (a) because our centre backs are not the quickest and need the support and (b) we build from the back so we need someone readily available for the centre backs to give it to - although Gordon seems to have forgotten that's what we do recently and is playing far too many wasteful long balls. I don't think we can play 4-4-2 with our current centre backs. That means we can only play one up front. The key to our success will be getting the blend right in the 'front' 4 in our 4-1-4-1. And it also means the 2 wide players have to provide good service to Ulloa and work hard to get up and support him when are going forward. Kaz can do that on the left and Buckley can do it on the right (when he's fit!). Without the two of them we are left with Lopez on the right who is not really Mr high energy (or indeed any energy) and Orlandi on the left and he seems more comfortable playing inside as a playmaker rather than getting wide and supplying Ulloa. The key for me is the 2 players at the heart of our midfield. Andrews seems the most assured to take the Bridcutt role (although not his greatest performance yesterday) and most of us would consider Ince as a shoe-in for one of the two other spots but no-one else (of the current fit squad) is making strong claims for a regular pick. Kemy looks like he has the guile to do well but is clearly not convincing Oscar in training or he'd be starting more frequently. JFC seems to do ok when he plays without setting the world alight. I think Ince has the work rate to cover Crofts absence so the priority recruitment need for me is the creative number 10 to open up the service to Leo. A fit Vicente would be perfect. Come on Vegas - hasn't your research thrown up a good candidate for under £1m?......... Gazza by the sea
  • Score: 4

2:35pm Sun 19 Jan 14

VegasSeagull says...

Gazza, the young lad I liked last year was Adorjan, spell check, Liverpool currently have him out on loan to the club that we got Ulloa from. Under a million, maybe, but I still think that he could do a job for us, and he is young.
Gazza, the young lad I liked last year was Adorjan, spell check, Liverpool currently have him out on loan to the club that we got Ulloa from. Under a million, maybe, but I still think that he could do a job for us, and he is young. VegasSeagull
  • Score: -1

2:45pm Sun 19 Jan 14

VegasSeagull says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Gazza, the young lad I liked last year was Adorjan, spell check, Liverpool currently have him out on loan to the club that we got Ulloa from. Under a million, maybe, but I still think that he could do a job for us, and he is young.
make that a definite under 1 million price tag.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Gazza, the young lad I liked last year was Adorjan, spell check, Liverpool currently have him out on loan to the club that we got Ulloa from. Under a million, maybe, but I still think that he could do a job for us, and he is young.[/p][/quote]make that a definite under 1 million price tag. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 0

3:05pm Sun 19 Jan 14

VegasSeagull says...

Gazza by the sea wrote:
Tactics probably ok for the squad we have. We are so tight because we play the holding midfielder. And we probably do that (a) because our centre backs are not the quickest and need the support and (b) we build from the back so we need someone readily available for the centre backs to give it to - although Gordon seems to have forgotten that's what we do recently and is playing far too many wasteful long balls.

I don't think we can play 4-4-2 with our current centre backs. That means we can only play one up front. The key to our success will be getting the blend right in the 'front' 4 in our 4-1-4-1. And it also means the 2 wide players have to provide good service to Ulloa and work hard to get up and support him when are going forward. Kaz can do that on the left and Buckley can do it on the right (when he's fit!).

Without the two of them we are left with Lopez on the right who is not really Mr high energy (or indeed any energy) and Orlandi on the left and he seems more comfortable playing inside as a playmaker rather than getting wide and supplying Ulloa.

The key for me is the 2 players at the heart of our midfield. Andrews seems the most assured to take the Bridcutt role (although not his greatest performance yesterday) and most of us would consider Ince as a shoe-in for one of the two other spots but no-one else (of the current fit squad) is making strong claims for a regular pick. Kemy looks like he has the guile to do well but is clearly not convincing Oscar in training or he'd be starting more frequently. JFC seems to do ok when he plays without setting the world alight.

I think Ince has the work rate to cover Crofts absence so the priority recruitment need for me is the creative number 10 to open up the service to Leo. A fit Vicente would be perfect.

Come on Vegas - hasn't your research thrown up a good candidate for under £1m?.........
Four young lads but sadly probably would all cost more than a million.

Josh Mceachran and Gael Kakuta, both at Chelsea

Alex Nimely and Jordy Hiwula, both at Man City.
[quote][p][bold]Gazza by the sea[/bold] wrote: Tactics probably ok for the squad we have. We are so tight because we play the holding midfielder. And we probably do that (a) because our centre backs are not the quickest and need the support and (b) we build from the back so we need someone readily available for the centre backs to give it to - although Gordon seems to have forgotten that's what we do recently and is playing far too many wasteful long balls. I don't think we can play 4-4-2 with our current centre backs. That means we can only play one up front. The key to our success will be getting the blend right in the 'front' 4 in our 4-1-4-1. And it also means the 2 wide players have to provide good service to Ulloa and work hard to get up and support him when are going forward. Kaz can do that on the left and Buckley can do it on the right (when he's fit!). Without the two of them we are left with Lopez on the right who is not really Mr high energy (or indeed any energy) and Orlandi on the left and he seems more comfortable playing inside as a playmaker rather than getting wide and supplying Ulloa. The key for me is the 2 players at the heart of our midfield. Andrews seems the most assured to take the Bridcutt role (although not his greatest performance yesterday) and most of us would consider Ince as a shoe-in for one of the two other spots but no-one else (of the current fit squad) is making strong claims for a regular pick. Kemy looks like he has the guile to do well but is clearly not convincing Oscar in training or he'd be starting more frequently. JFC seems to do ok when he plays without setting the world alight. I think Ince has the work rate to cover Crofts absence so the priority recruitment need for me is the creative number 10 to open up the service to Leo. A fit Vicente would be perfect. Come on Vegas - hasn't your research thrown up a good candidate for under £1m?.........[/p][/quote]Four young lads but sadly probably would all cost more than a million. Josh Mceachran and Gael Kakuta, both at Chelsea Alex Nimely and Jordy Hiwula, both at Man City. VegasSeagull
  • Score: -2

3:16pm Sun 19 Jan 14

VegasSeagull says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Gazza by the sea wrote:
Tactics probably ok for the squad we have. We are so tight because we play the holding midfielder. And we probably do that (a) because our centre backs are not the quickest and need the support and (b) we build from the back so we need someone readily available for the centre backs to give it to - although Gordon seems to have forgotten that's what we do recently and is playing far too many wasteful long balls.

I don't think we can play 4-4-2 with our current centre backs. That means we can only play one up front. The key to our success will be getting the blend right in the 'front' 4 in our 4-1-4-1. And it also means the 2 wide players have to provide good service to Ulloa and work hard to get up and support him when are going forward. Kaz can do that on the left and Buckley can do it on the right (when he's fit!).

Without the two of them we are left with Lopez on the right who is not really Mr high energy (or indeed any energy) and Orlandi on the left and he seems more comfortable playing inside as a playmaker rather than getting wide and supplying Ulloa.

The key for me is the 2 players at the heart of our midfield. Andrews seems the most assured to take the Bridcutt role (although not his greatest performance yesterday) and most of us would consider Ince as a shoe-in for one of the two other spots but no-one else (of the current fit squad) is making strong claims for a regular pick. Kemy looks like he has the guile to do well but is clearly not convincing Oscar in training or he'd be starting more frequently. JFC seems to do ok when he plays without setting the world alight.

I think Ince has the work rate to cover Crofts absence so the priority recruitment need for me is the creative number 10 to open up the service to Leo. A fit Vicente would be perfect.

Come on Vegas - hasn't your research thrown up a good candidate for under £1m?.........
Four young lads but sadly probably would all cost more than a million.

Josh Mceachran and Gael Kakuta, both at Chelsea

Alex Nimely and Jordy Hiwula, both at Man City.
Two more, Patricio Gabarron Gil and, Llie Sanchez Farres, both at Barca. God knows what money would be needed. Maybe some of these lads could be borrowed.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gazza by the sea[/bold] wrote: Tactics probably ok for the squad we have. We are so tight because we play the holding midfielder. And we probably do that (a) because our centre backs are not the quickest and need the support and (b) we build from the back so we need someone readily available for the centre backs to give it to - although Gordon seems to have forgotten that's what we do recently and is playing far too many wasteful long balls. I don't think we can play 4-4-2 with our current centre backs. That means we can only play one up front. The key to our success will be getting the blend right in the 'front' 4 in our 4-1-4-1. And it also means the 2 wide players have to provide good service to Ulloa and work hard to get up and support him when are going forward. Kaz can do that on the left and Buckley can do it on the right (when he's fit!). Without the two of them we are left with Lopez on the right who is not really Mr high energy (or indeed any energy) and Orlandi on the left and he seems more comfortable playing inside as a playmaker rather than getting wide and supplying Ulloa. The key for me is the 2 players at the heart of our midfield. Andrews seems the most assured to take the Bridcutt role (although not his greatest performance yesterday) and most of us would consider Ince as a shoe-in for one of the two other spots but no-one else (of the current fit squad) is making strong claims for a regular pick. Kemy looks like he has the guile to do well but is clearly not convincing Oscar in training or he'd be starting more frequently. JFC seems to do ok when he plays without setting the world alight. I think Ince has the work rate to cover Crofts absence so the priority recruitment need for me is the creative number 10 to open up the service to Leo. A fit Vicente would be perfect. Come on Vegas - hasn't your research thrown up a good candidate for under £1m?.........[/p][/quote]Four young lads but sadly probably would all cost more than a million. Josh Mceachran and Gael Kakuta, both at Chelsea Alex Nimely and Jordy Hiwula, both at Man City.[/p][/quote]Two more, Patricio Gabarron Gil and, Llie Sanchez Farres, both at Barca. God knows what money would be needed. Maybe some of these lads could be borrowed. VegasSeagull
  • Score: -2

3:35pm Sun 19 Jan 14

Howie2 says...

Having watched the whole of the match at Derby I am concerned that we do not look like scoring. Upson had a solid header saved from a corner and Ulloa had a scrambled shot saved fairly easily. Apart from that we created nothing and our shooting from outside the box was our usual woeful stuff. Ulloa as with Ashley Barnes cannot play on his own and just gets frustrated by not having any close support. Until we can find someone who can repeatedly hit the target I fear we will finish mid table. If Derby can find Bamford, who had one shot and scored surely our 23 scouts ought to be able to find someone similar.
Having watched the whole of the match at Derby I am concerned that we do not look like scoring. Upson had a solid header saved from a corner and Ulloa had a scrambled shot saved fairly easily. Apart from that we created nothing and our shooting from outside the box was our usual woeful stuff. Ulloa as with Ashley Barnes cannot play on his own and just gets frustrated by not having any close support. Until we can find someone who can repeatedly hit the target I fear we will finish mid table. If Derby can find Bamford, who had one shot and scored surely our 23 scouts ought to be able to find someone similar. Howie2
  • Score: 3

4:52pm Sun 19 Jan 14

Clean Sheet says...

I think our away record indicates that the tactics are about right. Yesterday we could have won, but without the lace of KLL and WB, or the energy of Crofts, there was nobody supporting Ulloa quickly enough. Need to fix that again, and we will be away. One defeat, to a top 4 side, is not a disaster.
I think our away record indicates that the tactics are about right. Yesterday we could have won, but without the lace of KLL and WB, or the energy of Crofts, there was nobody supporting Ulloa quickly enough. Need to fix that again, and we will be away. One defeat, to a top 4 side, is not a disaster. Clean Sheet
  • Score: 2

5:59pm Sun 19 Jan 14

Hovite says...

Clean Sheet wrote:
I think our away record indicates that the tactics are about right. Yesterday we could have won, but without the lace of KLL and WB, or the energy of Crofts, there was nobody supporting Ulloa quickly enough. Need to fix that again, and we will be away. One defeat, to a top 4 side, is not a disaster.
Yep, we are not spoilt with pacey options and I do wonder if Kaz and Buckers will ever become injury free.
[quote][p][bold]Clean Sheet[/bold] wrote: I think our away record indicates that the tactics are about right. Yesterday we could have won, but without the lace of KLL and WB, or the energy of Crofts, there was nobody supporting Ulloa quickly enough. Need to fix that again, and we will be away. One defeat, to a top 4 side, is not a disaster.[/p][/quote]Yep, we are not spoilt with pacey options and I do wonder if Kaz and Buckers will ever become injury free. Hovite
  • Score: 1

6:29pm Sun 19 Jan 14

VegasSeagull says...

Hovite wrote:
Clean Sheet wrote:
I think our away record indicates that the tactics are about right. Yesterday we could have won, but without the lace of KLL and WB, or the energy of Crofts, there was nobody supporting Ulloa quickly enough. Need to fix that again, and we will be away. One defeat, to a top 4 side, is not a disaster.
Yep, we are not spoilt with pacey options and I do wonder if Kaz and Buckers will ever become injury free.
According to, she that must be obeyed, who has worked in pharmacy for some 30 years, 20 in military and 10 in civil sector, she recons that players being prone to hamstring injuries and the like, might be hereditary, written in one's DNA. she says, and I quote, 'sprinters on the track, American footballers and baseball players all have to have the ability to explode into action, 99% of the athletes don't suffer hamstring injuries or the like.' She goes on to say, 'a hereditary weakness can exist in any part of the body, look to the family senior members who were also athletes and see if they too suffered similar injuries.'
Now you may want to argue with her, but I aint that brave. I wonder if there is any truth in her thoughts, there are plenty of sons of past players on the parks today, might even look at brothers who are both playing today.
[quote][p][bold]Hovite[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clean Sheet[/bold] wrote: I think our away record indicates that the tactics are about right. Yesterday we could have won, but without the lace of KLL and WB, or the energy of Crofts, there was nobody supporting Ulloa quickly enough. Need to fix that again, and we will be away. One defeat, to a top 4 side, is not a disaster.[/p][/quote]Yep, we are not spoilt with pacey options and I do wonder if Kaz and Buckers will ever become injury free.[/p][/quote]According to, she that must be obeyed, who has worked in pharmacy for some 30 years, 20 in military and 10 in civil sector, she recons that players being prone to hamstring injuries and the like, might be hereditary, written in one's DNA. she says, and I quote, 'sprinters on the track, American footballers and baseball players all have to have the ability to explode into action, 99% of the athletes don't suffer hamstring injuries or the like.' She goes on to say, 'a hereditary weakness can exist in any part of the body, look to the family senior members who were also athletes and see if they too suffered similar injuries.' Now you may want to argue with her, but I aint that brave. I wonder if there is any truth in her thoughts, there are plenty of sons of past players on the parks today, might even look at brothers who are both playing today. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 0

6:58pm Sun 19 Jan 14

WoodingdeanDS says...

I guess the tongue in cheek Q about "what division" was more about the level these players are capable of playing at. We have a few that might hold their own in the premier league (if we can hold on to the until we get there), some are Ok for the Championship: so - keep Orlandi, Calderon, Ankergren, Upson, Lopez, Lua Lua (KLL on half pay because of constant injuries), and Kuszczak (Premier quality). The others (in the list above) are good league 1 players. As for tactics again, need to get these right for home games first - how about starting with two recognised strikers (those that score goals, not just think they can). Two wingers might be a luxury, but with our slow approach play all opposition defenders are able to retreat in time. Wing play and good crosses are the key.
I guess the tongue in cheek Q about "what division" was more about the level these players are capable of playing at. We have a few that might hold their own in the premier league (if we can hold on to the until we get there), some are Ok for the Championship: so - keep Orlandi, Calderon, Ankergren, Upson, Lopez, Lua Lua (KLL on half pay because of constant injuries), and Kuszczak (Premier quality). The others (in the list above) are good league 1 players. As for tactics again, need to get these right for home games first - how about starting with two recognised strikers (those that score goals, not just think they can). Two wingers might be a luxury, but with our slow approach play all opposition defenders are able to retreat in time. Wing play and good crosses are the key. WoodingdeanDS
  • Score: -1

7:44pm Sun 19 Jan 14

Hovite says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Hovite wrote:
Clean Sheet wrote:
I think our away record indicates that the tactics are about right. Yesterday we could have won, but without the lace of KLL and WB, or the energy of Crofts, there was nobody supporting Ulloa quickly enough. Need to fix that again, and we will be away. One defeat, to a top 4 side, is not a disaster.
Yep, we are not spoilt with pacey options and I do wonder if Kaz and Buckers will ever become injury free.
According to, she that must be obeyed, who has worked in pharmacy for some 30 years, 20 in military and 10 in civil sector, she recons that players being prone to hamstring injuries and the like, might be hereditary, written in one's DNA. she says, and I quote, 'sprinters on the track, American footballers and baseball players all have to have the ability to explode into action, 99% of the athletes don't suffer hamstring injuries or the like.' She goes on to say, 'a hereditary weakness can exist in any part of the body, look to the family senior members who were also athletes and see if they too suffered similar injuries.'
Now you may want to argue with her, but I aint that brave. I wonder if there is any truth in her thoughts, there are plenty of sons of past players on the parks today, might even look at brothers who are both playing today.
Yep I'm sure she is right. Someone may be technically gifted as a footballer but flawed as an athlete.

I don't think you can do a family history check though because there are not many footballers who are related to footballers.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hovite[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clean Sheet[/bold] wrote: I think our away record indicates that the tactics are about right. Yesterday we could have won, but without the lace of KLL and WB, or the energy of Crofts, there was nobody supporting Ulloa quickly enough. Need to fix that again, and we will be away. One defeat, to a top 4 side, is not a disaster.[/p][/quote]Yep, we are not spoilt with pacey options and I do wonder if Kaz and Buckers will ever become injury free.[/p][/quote]According to, she that must be obeyed, who has worked in pharmacy for some 30 years, 20 in military and 10 in civil sector, she recons that players being prone to hamstring injuries and the like, might be hereditary, written in one's DNA. she says, and I quote, 'sprinters on the track, American footballers and baseball players all have to have the ability to explode into action, 99% of the athletes don't suffer hamstring injuries or the like.' She goes on to say, 'a hereditary weakness can exist in any part of the body, look to the family senior members who were also athletes and see if they too suffered similar injuries.' Now you may want to argue with her, but I aint that brave. I wonder if there is any truth in her thoughts, there are plenty of sons of past players on the parks today, might even look at brothers who are both playing today.[/p][/quote]Yep I'm sure she is right. Someone may be technically gifted as a footballer but flawed as an athlete. I don't think you can do a family history check though because there are not many footballers who are related to footballers. Hovite
  • Score: 2

8:08pm Sun 19 Jan 14

VegasSeagull says...

Hovite wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Hovite wrote:
Clean Sheet wrote:
I think our away record indicates that the tactics are about right. Yesterday we could have won, but without the lace of KLL and WB, or the energy of Crofts, there was nobody supporting Ulloa quickly enough. Need to fix that again, and we will be away. One defeat, to a top 4 side, is not a disaster.
Yep, we are not spoilt with pacey options and I do wonder if Kaz and Buckers will ever become injury free.
According to, she that must be obeyed, who has worked in pharmacy for some 30 years, 20 in military and 10 in civil sector, she recons that players being prone to hamstring injuries and the like, might be hereditary, written in one's DNA. she says, and I quote, 'sprinters on the track, American footballers and baseball players all have to have the ability to explode into action, 99% of the athletes don't suffer hamstring injuries or the like.' She goes on to say, 'a hereditary weakness can exist in any part of the body, look to the family senior members who were also athletes and see if they too suffered similar injuries.'
Now you may want to argue with her, but I aint that brave. I wonder if there is any truth in her thoughts, there are plenty of sons of past players on the parks today, might even look at brothers who are both playing today.
Yep I'm sure she is right. Someone may be technically gifted as a footballer but flawed as an athlete.

I don't think you can do a family history check though because there are not many footballers who are related to footballers.
I think that if the research went back enough years, and encompassed sports with similar physical demands, you might get a feel about whether or not her thoughts hold water. It's a big world with a lot of athletes at all different levels and in many demanding sports. The physical requirements of a slalom skier are many, twisting and turning every few feet, I have never heard of one pulling a ham string.
[quote][p][bold]Hovite[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hovite[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clean Sheet[/bold] wrote: I think our away record indicates that the tactics are about right. Yesterday we could have won, but without the lace of KLL and WB, or the energy of Crofts, there was nobody supporting Ulloa quickly enough. Need to fix that again, and we will be away. One defeat, to a top 4 side, is not a disaster.[/p][/quote]Yep, we are not spoilt with pacey options and I do wonder if Kaz and Buckers will ever become injury free.[/p][/quote]According to, she that must be obeyed, who has worked in pharmacy for some 30 years, 20 in military and 10 in civil sector, she recons that players being prone to hamstring injuries and the like, might be hereditary, written in one's DNA. she says, and I quote, 'sprinters on the track, American footballers and baseball players all have to have the ability to explode into action, 99% of the athletes don't suffer hamstring injuries or the like.' She goes on to say, 'a hereditary weakness can exist in any part of the body, look to the family senior members who were also athletes and see if they too suffered similar injuries.' Now you may want to argue with her, but I aint that brave. I wonder if there is any truth in her thoughts, there are plenty of sons of past players on the parks today, might even look at brothers who are both playing today.[/p][/quote]Yep I'm sure she is right. Someone may be technically gifted as a footballer but flawed as an athlete. I don't think you can do a family history check though because there are not many footballers who are related to footballers.[/p][/quote]I think that if the research went back enough years, and encompassed sports with similar physical demands, you might get a feel about whether or not her thoughts hold water. It's a big world with a lot of athletes at all different levels and in many demanding sports. The physical requirements of a slalom skier are many, twisting and turning every few feet, I have never heard of one pulling a ham string. VegasSeagull
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8:28pm Sun 19 Jan 14

Clean Sheet says...

Sometimes, these repeat injuries are about fatigue. If you recall Michael Owen, who played at a fantastic level for 17, was burnt out in his mid '20's. Same for Norman Whiteside. I don't think this is the case for KLL or Buckers, and maybe there is something about the training that could be improved?
Sometimes, these repeat injuries are about fatigue. If you recall Michael Owen, who played at a fantastic level for 17, was burnt out in his mid '20's. Same for Norman Whiteside. I don't think this is the case for KLL or Buckers, and maybe there is something about the training that could be improved? Clean Sheet
  • Score: 2

10:09pm Sun 19 Jan 14

VegasSeagull says...

Clean Sheet wrote:
Sometimes, these repeat injuries are about fatigue. If you recall Michael Owen, who played at a fantastic level for 17, was burnt out in his mid '20's. Same for Norman Whiteside. I don't think this is the case for KLL or Buckers, and maybe there is something about the training that could be improved?
You could be right but I doubt that our lads train any differently than those at other clubs, and look who we have as head coach.
[quote][p][bold]Clean Sheet[/bold] wrote: Sometimes, these repeat injuries are about fatigue. If you recall Michael Owen, who played at a fantastic level for 17, was burnt out in his mid '20's. Same for Norman Whiteside. I don't think this is the case for KLL or Buckers, and maybe there is something about the training that could be improved?[/p][/quote]You could be right but I doubt that our lads train any differently than those at other clubs, and look who we have as head coach. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 1

10:14pm Sun 19 Jan 14

Hovite says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Clean Sheet wrote:
Sometimes, these repeat injuries are about fatigue. If you recall Michael Owen, who played at a fantastic level for 17, was burnt out in his mid '20's. Same for Norman Whiteside. I don't think this is the case for KLL or Buckers, and maybe there is something about the training that could be improved?
You could be right but I doubt that our lads train any differently than those at other clubs, and look who we have as head coach.
Conway never had a problem with training.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clean Sheet[/bold] wrote: Sometimes, these repeat injuries are about fatigue. If you recall Michael Owen, who played at a fantastic level for 17, was burnt out in his mid '20's. Same for Norman Whiteside. I don't think this is the case for KLL or Buckers, and maybe there is something about the training that could be improved?[/p][/quote]You could be right but I doubt that our lads train any differently than those at other clubs, and look who we have as head coach.[/p][/quote]Conway never had a problem with training. Hovite
  • Score: 1

10:29pm Sun 19 Jan 14

VegasSeagull says...

Hovite wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Clean Sheet wrote:
Sometimes, these repeat injuries are about fatigue. If you recall Michael Owen, who played at a fantastic level for 17, was burnt out in his mid '20's. Same for Norman Whiteside. I don't think this is the case for KLL or Buckers, and maybe there is something about the training that could be improved?
You could be right but I doubt that our lads train any differently than those at other clubs, and look who we have as head coach.
Conway never had a problem with training.
We have carried out a little research and it appears that there are strong hamstrings and weaker hamstrings, people can be different. Those with weaker hamstrings are obviously at more risk of injury than those with strong hamstrings. Diet and fluid intake levels play a part in keeping your hamstrings healthy.
There is nothing you can do to prevent a hamstring injury but you can reduce the chances of getting one with proper pre activity stretching, (warm ups) and proper liquid and food intake. It is possible to increase the strength of one's hamstrings with the correct and controlled exercises, prior to injury, and the same activity, after a period of rest, and support if needed, will aide recovery. Depending on the severity of the injury, they are graded 1 to 3, the healing period can be short or long, and the treatment varies accordingly.
[quote][p][bold]Hovite[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clean Sheet[/bold] wrote: Sometimes, these repeat injuries are about fatigue. If you recall Michael Owen, who played at a fantastic level for 17, was burnt out in his mid '20's. Same for Norman Whiteside. I don't think this is the case for KLL or Buckers, and maybe there is something about the training that could be improved?[/p][/quote]You could be right but I doubt that our lads train any differently than those at other clubs, and look who we have as head coach.[/p][/quote]Conway never had a problem with training.[/p][/quote]We have carried out a little research and it appears that there are strong hamstrings and weaker hamstrings, people can be different. Those with weaker hamstrings are obviously at more risk of injury than those with strong hamstrings. Diet and fluid intake levels play a part in keeping your hamstrings healthy. There is nothing you can do to prevent a hamstring injury but you can reduce the chances of getting one with proper pre activity stretching, (warm ups) and proper liquid and food intake. It is possible to increase the strength of one's hamstrings with the correct and controlled exercises, prior to injury, and the same activity, after a period of rest, and support if needed, will aide recovery. Depending on the severity of the injury, they are graded 1 to 3, the healing period can be short or long, and the treatment varies accordingly. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 1

10:32pm Sun 19 Jan 14

VegasSeagull says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Hovite wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Clean Sheet wrote:
Sometimes, these repeat injuries are about fatigue. If you recall Michael Owen, who played at a fantastic level for 17, was burnt out in his mid '20's. Same for Norman Whiteside. I don't think this is the case for KLL or Buckers, and maybe there is something about the training that could be improved?
You could be right but I doubt that our lads train any differently than those at other clubs, and look who we have as head coach.
Conway never had a problem with training.
We have carried out a little research and it appears that there are strong hamstrings and weaker hamstrings, people can be different. Those with weaker hamstrings are obviously at more risk of injury than those with strong hamstrings. Diet and fluid intake levels play a part in keeping your hamstrings healthy.
There is nothing you can do to prevent a hamstring injury but you can reduce the chances of getting one with proper pre activity stretching, (warm ups) and proper liquid and food intake. It is possible to increase the strength of one's hamstrings with the correct and controlled exercises, prior to injury, and the same activity, after a period of rest, and support if needed, will aide recovery. Depending on the severity of the injury, they are graded 1 to 3, the healing period can be short or long, and the treatment varies accordingly.
I guess with what I have just written in mind, if your dad had weak hamstrings, perhaps you could inherit weak hamstrings from him or your mom, after all we are all just a mixture of our mom and dad's DNA.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hovite[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clean Sheet[/bold] wrote: Sometimes, these repeat injuries are about fatigue. If you recall Michael Owen, who played at a fantastic level for 17, was burnt out in his mid '20's. Same for Norman Whiteside. I don't think this is the case for KLL or Buckers, and maybe there is something about the training that could be improved?[/p][/quote]You could be right but I doubt that our lads train any differently than those at other clubs, and look who we have as head coach.[/p][/quote]Conway never had a problem with training.[/p][/quote]We have carried out a little research and it appears that there are strong hamstrings and weaker hamstrings, people can be different. Those with weaker hamstrings are obviously at more risk of injury than those with strong hamstrings. Diet and fluid intake levels play a part in keeping your hamstrings healthy. There is nothing you can do to prevent a hamstring injury but you can reduce the chances of getting one with proper pre activity stretching, (warm ups) and proper liquid and food intake. It is possible to increase the strength of one's hamstrings with the correct and controlled exercises, prior to injury, and the same activity, after a period of rest, and support if needed, will aide recovery. Depending on the severity of the injury, they are graded 1 to 3, the healing period can be short or long, and the treatment varies accordingly.[/p][/quote]I guess with what I have just written in mind, if your dad had weak hamstrings, perhaps you could inherit weak hamstrings from him or your mom, after all we are all just a mixture of our mom and dad's DNA. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 0

11:20pm Sun 19 Jan 14

albion64 says...

Dolph Ins wrote:
I think the away tactics are about right but we need to be more positive at home.
Interesting to see pundits view on MOTD tonight. Hansen and co think Swansea's demise is down to being found out. They pass teams to death and need 8/9 players on the pitch who are able technically to do exactly that. They get pressed high up the pitch and lose the ball. They don't adapt and play the same way every game. This limits their scoring opportunities. Hmm where have we seen this elsewhere recently?
[quote][p][bold]Dolph Ins[/bold] wrote: I think the away tactics are about right but we need to be more positive at home.[/p][/quote]Interesting to see pundits view on MOTD tonight. Hansen and co think Swansea's demise is down to being found out. They pass teams to death and need 8/9 players on the pitch who are able technically to do exactly that. They get pressed high up the pitch and lose the ball. They don't adapt and play the same way every game. This limits their scoring opportunities. Hmm where have we seen this elsewhere recently? albion64
  • Score: 2

8:57am Mon 20 Jan 14

goldstone says...

We absolutely need to play more attacking football awy from home ... and also at home.

We go to football matches to be ENTERTAINED and in football that means SCORING GOALS.

Our tactics are not quite as boring as Gus's tippy-tappy of last season, but we need proper wingers (March should have started on Saturday) ad two up front.
We absolutely need to play more attacking football awy from home ... and also at home. We go to football matches to be ENTERTAINED and in football that means SCORING GOALS. Our tactics are not quite as boring as Gus's tippy-tappy of last season, but we need proper wingers (March should have started on Saturday) ad two up front. goldstone
  • Score: 0

10:30am Mon 20 Jan 14

elljam says...

It's been evident for a long time that the team lacks pace/energy all around the pitch. Apart from Lua Lua & Buckley (when properly fit) we are unable to get behind teams & therefore are restricted to shooting from outside the box.
It's ok defending deep as long as you are a threat on the counter attack but because of this lack of pace in the side, when we do get the chance to break, players are unable to support the constantly isolated Ulloa & we either end up losing the ball or having to slow down the attack to allow players to get up the pitch. This allows the opposition to regroup & the threat is gone.
It appears that Oscar realises this lack of pace with the attempt to sign Grabban & lets hope that he finds a couple of players with the required pace.
I'd like to see Orlandi in the hole behind Ulloa with a fit Buckley & Lua Lua (or replacements of that ilk) on the flanks, then Ince in the box-to- box role & Andrews holding. It would also be useful to switch to 4-4-2 if things aren't going to plan.
It's been evident for a long time that the team lacks pace/energy all around the pitch. Apart from Lua Lua & Buckley (when properly fit) we are unable to get behind teams & therefore are restricted to shooting from outside the box. It's ok defending deep as long as you are a threat on the counter attack but because of this lack of pace in the side, when we do get the chance to break, players are unable to support the constantly isolated Ulloa & we either end up losing the ball or having to slow down the attack to allow players to get up the pitch. This allows the opposition to regroup & the threat is gone. It appears that Oscar realises this lack of pace with the attempt to sign Grabban & lets hope that he finds a couple of players with the required pace. I'd like to see Orlandi in the hole behind Ulloa with a fit Buckley & Lua Lua (or replacements of that ilk) on the flanks, then Ince in the box-to- box role & Andrews holding. It would also be useful to switch to 4-4-2 if things aren't going to plan. elljam
  • Score: 1

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