Talking Point: Albion's season reaches a crossroads

The Argus: Tony Bloom. Will Albion's poker-playing chairman show his hand late in the January window? Tony Bloom. Will Albion's poker-playing chairman show his hand late in the January window?

In today's Albion analysis chief sports reporter Andy Naylor argues the season has reached a crossroads. Do you agree?

Here is a taste of what he wrote.

The 12 days remaining in the January transfer window will indicate how ambitious the hierarchy are to get promoted this season.

Or whether they are content with a more gradual climb towards the Premier League.

Many of the new and impatient fans now filling The Amex will be expecting the former. They may start drifting away if they are kept waiting for too long.

Longer-serving and more level-headed supporters will be satisfied with the latter, recognising the vast strides made by the club in recent years and the benefit of reaching the top flight once you are better equipped to remain there.

Slowly, slowly is fine - as long as you do not at the same time encourage unrealistic expectation. That places undue and unfair pressure on Oscar Garcia.

Chief executive Paul Barber's buzz phrase for the club has been 'Premier League ready'. Chairman Tony Bloom told a fans' forum at The Amex before a ball had been kicked he was certain Albion had a squad capable of promotion and that "we're not going to be happy" with a finish outside the play-offs.

So seventh, where the Seagulls are now, will not be good enough, working with a mid-table wage budget?

Albion have not acted so far during the January transfer window like a club entitled to expect a top six finish.

A striker comparable in standard to, or better, than Barnes is a must. Albion also have to compensate for the loss of Crofts' goals and box-to-box energy.

It will be risky to have three recognised centre-halves, instead of four, after El-Abd's departure and they should thrash out a deal with Poyet's Sunderland sooner rather than later to draw a line under the Bridcutt saga and reinvest the funds from his sale. It will not help Oscar to have a so obviously disenchanted player for the rest of the season.

A banana skin FA Cup tie against Micky Adams' Port Vale is up next, followed by two more tough away trips to Burnley and Watford.

The transfer window will be over by the time Albion return to The Amex against Doncaster. We will have a better idea by then whether finishing in the play-offs is a realistic target or wishful thinking.

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10:15am Mon 20 Jan 14

ColinPep1 says...

To stay in with a hope of the play-offs we need to spend. 3 signings are vital. A striker, a central midfielder and a centre-half. It would also be good to add Craig Conway. If we have to sell Bridcutt to make sure we can bring 4 players in, then it'd be worth it. Wouldn't it be great if we then went up through the play-offs and the impatient Bridcutt got relegated with Sunderland?!
To stay in with a hope of the play-offs we need to spend. 3 signings are vital. A striker, a central midfielder and a centre-half. It would also be good to add Craig Conway. If we have to sell Bridcutt to make sure we can bring 4 players in, then it'd be worth it. Wouldn't it be great if we then went up through the play-offs and the impatient Bridcutt got relegated with Sunderland?! ColinPep1

10:34am Mon 20 Jan 14

Uckfield Seagull says...

A striker, a winger and a centre half would top my list, we need Conway as Lua Lua and Buckley struggle to stay fit, without Bridcutt we really need Kemy to step up to the plate, how long does it take to get fit !!, a striker is a must as cannot rely on Ulloa and Obika, CMS unlikely to be fit until March or April. With Bridcutt I would rather him leave as this cant do the squad any good, if he wants to live in the North East and leave the beautiful Sussex coast then Iet him, Buckley to me is disappointing, cannot play 2 games in a row so would take a £1m for him.
A striker, a winger and a centre half would top my list, we need Conway as Lua Lua and Buckley struggle to stay fit, without Bridcutt we really need Kemy to step up to the plate, how long does it take to get fit !!, a striker is a must as cannot rely on Ulloa and Obika, CMS unlikely to be fit until March or April. With Bridcutt I would rather him leave as this cant do the squad any good, if he wants to live in the North East and leave the beautiful Sussex coast then Iet him, Buckley to me is disappointing, cannot play 2 games in a row so would take a £1m for him. Uckfield Seagull

10:35am Mon 20 Jan 14

SecondReserve says...

I have said several times - and still believe - that the club appear to have no ambition to get to the Premiership but have decided to settle for us being a decent Championship side, getting very large crowds but avoiding the risks and costs of top flight football.

We are still a selling club (how many other clubs in the top half of the Championship are selling first team players?), the current team do not look good enough to get promoted (how many of our players would REALLY be good enough for the Premiership?) and how often, other than the Leicester match, have we played well recently?

The current top 5 are well ahead of the rest and will probably remain so, which means that there are about 10 teams fighting for the last play-off place. At the moment I can't see us ending up in that sixth place though of course some genuine quality signings in the next two weeks could change that.

But will those signings happen??? Maybe but the players we have brought in since last season have been OK though none of them has been a significant improvement on players we already had (only Ward is a regular first choice and he's no Wayne Bridge). The next ten days COULD be very interesting - they will certainly tell us a great deal about whether the club has any real ambition or not. I'd absolutely love to be proved wrong. We'll see.
I have said several times - and still believe - that the club appear to have no ambition to get to the Premiership but have decided to settle for us being a decent Championship side, getting very large crowds but avoiding the risks and costs of top flight football. We are still a selling club (how many other clubs in the top half of the Championship are selling first team players?), the current team do not look good enough to get promoted (how many of our players would REALLY be good enough for the Premiership?) and how often, other than the Leicester match, have we played well recently? The current top 5 are well ahead of the rest and will probably remain so, which means that there are about 10 teams fighting for the last play-off place. At the moment I can't see us ending up in that sixth place though of course some genuine quality signings in the next two weeks could change that. But will those signings happen??? Maybe but the players we have brought in since last season have been OK though none of them has been a significant improvement on players we already had (only Ward is a regular first choice and he's no Wayne Bridge). The next ten days COULD be very interesting - they will certainly tell us a great deal about whether the club has any real ambition or not. I'd absolutely love to be proved wrong. We'll see. SecondReserve

10:43am Mon 20 Jan 14

driverchris53 says...

at the start of the season i would have been delighted with our position now; and as such i will be content if we just miss out on promotion again.obviously our problem this season has been scoring;we havent been clinical enough and our service;especially from the wings hasn't been of the standard needed at this level.Of course i want us to reach the play-offs and go up but not at the risk of the financial stabilty of the club.Sooner or later the new Financial fair Play rules we kick in and start to be enforced.some clubs are circumventing them now and we cannot compete with that.If we have the money we should bring in another strtiker and a center back,but they need to be ones with a future at this club when we eventually go up.With the injuries we have had;a manager with no experience in English football;what we have achieved is superb;we are still in with a chance;CMS will hopefully be back soon;Ulloa will find his form;Orlandi when he finds his form has that class we need.if we have the money spend it;if we don't we are still not far away.I am delighted with Oscar's first season
at the start of the season i would have been delighted with our position now; and as such i will be content if we just miss out on promotion again.obviously our problem this season has been scoring;we havent been clinical enough and our service;especially from the wings hasn't been of the standard needed at this level.Of course i want us to reach the play-offs and go up but not at the risk of the financial stabilty of the club.Sooner or later the new Financial fair Play rules we kick in and start to be enforced.some clubs are circumventing them now and we cannot compete with that.If we have the money we should bring in another strtiker and a center back,but they need to be ones with a future at this club when we eventually go up.With the injuries we have had;a manager with no experience in English football;what we have achieved is superb;we are still in with a chance;CMS will hopefully be back soon;Ulloa will find his form;Orlandi when he finds his form has that class we need.if we have the money spend it;if we don't we are still not far away.I am delighted with Oscar's first season driverchris53

10:45am Mon 20 Jan 14

Jimmy Langley says...

The first thing we need to sort out is who is driving the on field activity! we have Oscar saying that he didn't want to lose Barnes or El Abd and doesn't want to lose Bridcutt. By asking the club to sort out the Bridcutt situation he is made to look totally impotent and the playing staff must wonder who is making the important decisions.
If Tony Bloom has decided to go with the current structure where responsibilities appear to be shared then he must decide, in his absence abroad, who has the ultimate say in the club's day to day activities.
I believe that the structure which has been put in place was the real reason for the fall out between Poyet and The Albion.
The first thing we need to sort out is who is driving the on field activity! we have Oscar saying that he didn't want to lose Barnes or El Abd and doesn't want to lose Bridcutt. By asking the club to sort out the Bridcutt situation he is made to look totally impotent and the playing staff must wonder who is making the important decisions. If Tony Bloom has decided to go with the current structure where responsibilities appear to be shared then he must decide, in his absence abroad, who has the ultimate say in the club's day to day activities. I believe that the structure which has been put in place was the real reason for the fall out between Poyet and The Albion. Jimmy Langley

10:50am Mon 20 Jan 14

pjwilk says...

Why are we spending millions on the training ground when the team which is the priority is being starved of funds.Way we are going we will have the best facilities in the first division then perhaps we can boot out the Blues Bros.
Why are we spending millions on the training ground when the team which is the priority is being starved of funds.Way we are going we will have the best facilities in the first division then perhaps we can boot out the Blues Bros. pjwilk

10:57am Mon 20 Jan 14

fratsomrover says...

I probably agree with Naylor here that this is a crossroads period. We have two weeks to either show our intent of consolidating our challenge for a top 6 spot or we dont. We need to buy some good players capable of mounting a challenge or we will slip away. Scoring goals is very definitely our problem. He can retain possession, we can defend okay, but we cant create or finish enough chances to enable us to score more goals a game.
It's not rocket science. Teams with the ability to score more goals than anyone else get promoted, and we are way short. We flattered to deceive a few weeks back when we beat Leicester, but now find ourselves 18 points behind them.
If we fail to get a win either at Burnley or Watford, then I guess it will be curtains and if we exit the FA Cup to lowly Port Vale as well, then our season will be over.
We need to invest this week in players capable of mounting that challenge, otherwise our early season optimism will be dead and buried.
I probably agree with Naylor here that this is a crossroads period. We have two weeks to either show our intent of consolidating our challenge for a top 6 spot or we dont. We need to buy some good players capable of mounting a challenge or we will slip away. Scoring goals is very definitely our problem. He can retain possession, we can defend okay, but we cant create or finish enough chances to enable us to score more goals a game. It's not rocket science. Teams with the ability to score more goals than anyone else get promoted, and we are way short. We flattered to deceive a few weeks back when we beat Leicester, but now find ourselves 18 points behind them. If we fail to get a win either at Burnley or Watford, then I guess it will be curtains and if we exit the FA Cup to lowly Port Vale as well, then our season will be over. We need to invest this week in players capable of mounting that challenge, otherwise our early season optimism will be dead and buried. fratsomrover

11:01am Mon 20 Jan 14

Alan G Skinner says...

We have one of the finest Stadiums in the country, in five months we will have one of the finest youth academies and first team training ground anywhere in the world. We are top ten in the country in terms of season ticket sales and have the best support outside the Premier League, with better support than a number of established Premier League Clubs. We have a Chairman who has Brighton in his soul and has put his money where his mouth is. We have a board who are running the club correctly and ensuring long term progress and self sustenance. We are playing by the rules in terms of FFP, which will benefit us in the long term and possibly medium term if the FA/FL through with there threats of fines, point deductions and transfer embargo. Everybody knows there are a good number of teams in this division who are clearly and unashamedly flouting the rules set out by the FL and they should be punished for it. With Brighton's infrastructure, unwavering support, passion and footballing ethos, whether it be this Season or next, there is only one way this club is going and that is to the Premier League, it is our destiny, it is inevitable.
We have one of the finest Stadiums in the country, in five months we will have one of the finest youth academies and first team training ground anywhere in the world. We are top ten in the country in terms of season ticket sales and have the best support outside the Premier League, with better support than a number of established Premier League Clubs. We have a Chairman who has Brighton in his soul and has put his money where his mouth is. We have a board who are running the club correctly and ensuring long term progress and self sustenance. We are playing by the rules in terms of FFP, which will benefit us in the long term and possibly medium term if the FA/FL through with there threats of fines, point deductions and transfer embargo. Everybody knows there are a good number of teams in this division who are clearly and unashamedly flouting the rules set out by the FL and they should be punished for it. With Brighton's infrastructure, unwavering support, passion and footballing ethos, whether it be this Season or next, there is only one way this club is going and that is to the Premier League, it is our destiny, it is inevitable. Alan G Skinner

11:02am Mon 20 Jan 14

Claude Back says...

Jimmy Langley wrote:
The first thing we need to sort out is who is driving the on field activity! we have Oscar saying that he didn't want to lose Barnes or El Abd and doesn't want to lose Bridcutt. By asking the club to sort out the Bridcutt situation he is made to look totally impotent and the playing staff must wonder who is making the important decisions.
If Tony Bloom has decided to go with the current structure where responsibilities appear to be shared then he must decide, in his absence abroad, who has the ultimate say in the club's day to day activities.
I believe that the structure which has been put in place was the real reason for the fall out between Poyet and The Albion.
You are so right.
[quote][p][bold]Jimmy Langley[/bold] wrote: The first thing we need to sort out is who is driving the on field activity! we have Oscar saying that he didn't want to lose Barnes or El Abd and doesn't want to lose Bridcutt. By asking the club to sort out the Bridcutt situation he is made to look totally impotent and the playing staff must wonder who is making the important decisions. If Tony Bloom has decided to go with the current structure where responsibilities appear to be shared then he must decide, in his absence abroad, who has the ultimate say in the club's day to day activities. I believe that the structure which has been put in place was the real reason for the fall out between Poyet and The Albion.[/p][/quote]You are so right. Claude Back

11:18am Mon 20 Jan 14

northernseagull says...

It appears to me as if the club are waiting for the fair play rules to kick in before really going for it. That seems to have two risks attached
1) an assumption that non compliant clubs really will be penalised
2) a risk that if the fans feel we are not reinvesting in the team this season there will be a significant drop off in season ticket holders at the end of the season.

I would agree with the views above, we need at least three key players in.
It appears to me as if the club are waiting for the fair play rules to kick in before really going for it. That seems to have two risks attached 1) an assumption that non compliant clubs really will be penalised 2) a risk that if the fans feel we are not reinvesting in the team this season there will be a significant drop off in season ticket holders at the end of the season. I would agree with the views above, we need at least three key players in. northernseagull

11:19am Mon 20 Jan 14

Joel'sGrandad says...

Crossroads? More like a cliff edge if you ask me!
If we suddenly splash the cash and get it wrong it's downhill I'm afraid.
We don't want to become a Pompey or Bolton do we?
We came up trumps with Rohan Ince. I don't see why we can't find a few more like him.
It'll take time but only 3 teams can go up this year and those that have gambled will pay the penalty if they fail. UTA
Crossroads? More like a cliff edge if you ask me! If we suddenly splash the cash and get it wrong it's downhill I'm afraid. We don't want to become a Pompey or Bolton do we? We came up trumps with Rohan Ince. I don't see why we can't find a few more like him. It'll take time but only 3 teams can go up this year and those that have gambled will pay the penalty if they fail. UTA Joel'sGrandad

11:23am Mon 20 Jan 14

BobbyLaverick says...

Alan G Skinner wrote:
We have one of the finest Stadiums in the country, in five months we will have one of the finest youth academies and first team training ground anywhere in the world. We are top ten in the country in terms of season ticket sales and have the best support outside the Premier League, with better support than a number of established Premier League Clubs. We have a Chairman who has Brighton in his soul and has put his money where his mouth is. We have a board who are running the club correctly and ensuring long term progress and self sustenance. We are playing by the rules in terms of FFP, which will benefit us in the long term and possibly medium term if the FA/FL through with there threats of fines, point deductions and transfer embargo. Everybody knows there are a good number of teams in this division who are clearly and unashamedly flouting the rules set out by the FL and they should be punished for it. With Brighton's infrastructure, unwavering support, passion and footballing ethos, whether it be this Season or next, there is only one way this club is going and that is to the Premier League, it is our destiny, it is inevitable.
This post is so well written and says it all. Spot on Alan Skinner!
[quote][p][bold]Alan G Skinner[/bold] wrote: We have one of the finest Stadiums in the country, in five months we will have one of the finest youth academies and first team training ground anywhere in the world. We are top ten in the country in terms of season ticket sales and have the best support outside the Premier League, with better support than a number of established Premier League Clubs. We have a Chairman who has Brighton in his soul and has put his money where his mouth is. We have a board who are running the club correctly and ensuring long term progress and self sustenance. We are playing by the rules in terms of FFP, which will benefit us in the long term and possibly medium term if the FA/FL through with there threats of fines, point deductions and transfer embargo. Everybody knows there are a good number of teams in this division who are clearly and unashamedly flouting the rules set out by the FL and they should be punished for it. With Brighton's infrastructure, unwavering support, passion and footballing ethos, whether it be this Season or next, there is only one way this club is going and that is to the Premier League, it is our destiny, it is inevitable.[/p][/quote]This post is so well written and says it all. Spot on Alan Skinner! BobbyLaverick

11:34am Mon 20 Jan 14

seegull fly in sky says...

Toby gloom noa ploy ppooker sine um pliers lot ov munny insted um bryton UFO
Toby gloom noa ploy ppooker sine um pliers lot ov munny insted um bryton UFO seegull fly in sky

11:44am Mon 20 Jan 14

blueskiesfromnowon says...

Alan G Skinner wrote:
We have one of the finest Stadiums in the country, in five months we will have one of the finest youth academies and first team training ground anywhere in the world. We are top ten in the country in terms of season ticket sales and have the best support outside the Premier League, with better support than a number of established Premier League Clubs. We have a Chairman who has Brighton in his soul and has put his money where his mouth is. We have a board who are running the club correctly and ensuring long term progress and self sustenance. We are playing by the rules in terms of FFP, which will benefit us in the long term and possibly medium term if the FA/FL through with there threats of fines, point deductions and transfer embargo. Everybody knows there are a good number of teams in this division who are clearly and unashamedly flouting the rules set out by the FL and they should be punished for it. With Brighton's infrastructure, unwavering support, passion and footballing ethos, whether it be this Season or next, there is only one way this club is going and that is to the Premier League, it is our destiny, it is inevitable.
Very wise words, and from driverchris too. We all need to take a step back and starting looking at the whole wood rather than the trees. Brighton is a club steadily on the up and up. Through careful steering, we'll get there eventually. Reckless spending caused by panic or pressure exerted by anxious fans is a gamble that can only put the club at risk in the long term. Looking back to the state the club was in 15 years ago, and even where we were just 4 years ago, it's completely incomparable to how things stand now. Lets show a bit more faith in those who are steering the ship, they will only have the best long term interests of the club at heart. January was never, ever going to be an easy month, with so many tough away fixtures and the uncertainty of the transfer window. We all know, surely, that Liam was always bound to want to move on. It makes perfect sense that Adam, greatly loved and already sorely missed, was the kind of individual who would put his love of playing football first, despite his obvious affection for bhafc. Lets calm down a bit, and stop worrying so much. It will all come good in the end.
[quote][p][bold]Alan G Skinner[/bold] wrote: We have one of the finest Stadiums in the country, in five months we will have one of the finest youth academies and first team training ground anywhere in the world. We are top ten in the country in terms of season ticket sales and have the best support outside the Premier League, with better support than a number of established Premier League Clubs. We have a Chairman who has Brighton in his soul and has put his money where his mouth is. We have a board who are running the club correctly and ensuring long term progress and self sustenance. We are playing by the rules in terms of FFP, which will benefit us in the long term and possibly medium term if the FA/FL through with there threats of fines, point deductions and transfer embargo. Everybody knows there are a good number of teams in this division who are clearly and unashamedly flouting the rules set out by the FL and they should be punished for it. With Brighton's infrastructure, unwavering support, passion and footballing ethos, whether it be this Season or next, there is only one way this club is going and that is to the Premier League, it is our destiny, it is inevitable.[/p][/quote]Very wise words, and from driverchris too. We all need to take a step back and starting looking at the whole wood rather than the trees. Brighton is a club steadily on the up and up. Through careful steering, we'll get there eventually. Reckless spending caused by panic or pressure exerted by anxious fans is a gamble that can only put the club at risk in the long term. Looking back to the state the club was in 15 years ago, and even where we were just 4 years ago, it's completely incomparable to how things stand now. Lets show a bit more faith in those who are steering the ship, they will only have the best long term interests of the club at heart. January was never, ever going to be an easy month, with so many tough away fixtures and the uncertainty of the transfer window. We all know, surely, that Liam was always bound to want to move on. It makes perfect sense that Adam, greatly loved and already sorely missed, was the kind of individual who would put his love of playing football first, despite his obvious affection for bhafc. Lets calm down a bit, and stop worrying so much. It will all come good in the end. blueskiesfromnowon

11:44am Mon 20 Jan 14

B rian Tawses left foot says...

Well, how easily you take the bait laid out by Naylor, whose job, like all journalists, is to stir the pot and create controversy. Sure enough out come the spend, spend brigade. Yep, easy enough to spend when the money to be spent is not yours. Remember the club is £9 million in debt. Do we want to go down the Bolton route, so easily done - but ultimately nothing but foolishness? We are being quoted silly money for players who are really nothing but reserves and surplus to requirements at their present clubs. The club should hang fire until the summer when a lot of players will be out of contract and more sensible offers can be realistically tabled.
We have CMS, Lua-Lua and Buckley to return to the squad in the next few weeks. Bringing in Conway on loan and a younger centre back would be wise - otherwise give the ludicrous - not to mention desperate, January transfer a wide berth.
Well, how easily you take the bait laid out by Naylor, whose job, like all journalists, is to stir the pot and create controversy. Sure enough out come the spend, spend brigade. Yep, easy enough to spend when the money to be spent is not yours. Remember the club is £9 million in debt. Do we want to go down the Bolton route, so easily done - but ultimately nothing but foolishness? We are being quoted silly money for players who are really nothing but reserves and surplus to requirements at their present clubs. The club should hang fire until the summer when a lot of players will be out of contract and more sensible offers can be realistically tabled. We have CMS, Lua-Lua and Buckley to return to the squad in the next few weeks. Bringing in Conway on loan and a younger centre back would be wise - otherwise give the ludicrous - not to mention desperate, January transfer a wide berth. B rian Tawses left foot

11:47am Mon 20 Jan 14

ColinPep1 says...

It's a tricky one. It's that difficult balance between chasing the dream but doing it in a responsible and sensible way. For supporters it's tempting to want the club to spend because we are not far off really challenging for promotion, but also most supporters understand that it is important for the club to manage finances in a responsible way and try to get stronger by developing players.
It's a tricky one. It's that difficult balance between chasing the dream but doing it in a responsible and sensible way. For supporters it's tempting to want the club to spend because we are not far off really challenging for promotion, but also most supporters understand that it is important for the club to manage finances in a responsible way and try to get stronger by developing players. ColinPep1

11:48am Mon 20 Jan 14

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11:02am Mon 20 Jan 14

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Jimmy Langley wrote:
The first thing we need to sort out is who is driving the on field activity! we have Oscar saying that he didn't want to lose Barnes or El Abd and doesn't want to lose Bridcutt. By asking the club to sort out the Bridcutt situation he is made to look totally impotent and the playing staff must wonder who is making the important decisions.
If Tony Bloom has decided to go with the current structure where responsibilities appear to be shared then he must decide, in his absence abroad, who has the ultimate say in the club's day to day activities.
I believe that the structure which has been put in place was the real reason for the fall out between Poyet and The Albion.
You are so right.

Both postings are nothing but the products of fevered imaginations. Neither of you, along with myself and all other supporters, have any idea how the club is run.
.Quote » Report this post » ... 11:02am Mon 20 Jan 14 Claude Back says... Jimmy Langley wrote: The first thing we need to sort out is who is driving the on field activity! we have Oscar saying that he didn't want to lose Barnes or El Abd and doesn't want to lose Bridcutt. By asking the club to sort out the Bridcutt situation he is made to look totally impotent and the playing staff must wonder who is making the important decisions. If Tony Bloom has decided to go with the current structure where responsibilities appear to be shared then he must decide, in his absence abroad, who has the ultimate say in the club's day to day activities. I believe that the structure which has been put in place was the real reason for the fall out between Poyet and The Albion. You are so right. Both postings are nothing but the products of fevered imaginations. Neither of you, along with myself and all other supporters, have any idea how the club is run. B rian Tawses left foot

12:00pm Mon 20 Jan 14

brightonup says...

Alan G Skinner wrote:
We have one of the finest Stadiums in the country, in five months we will have one of the finest youth academies and first team training ground anywhere in the world. We are top ten in the country in terms of season ticket sales and have the best support outside the Premier League, with better support than a number of established Premier League Clubs. We have a Chairman who has Brighton in his soul and has put his money where his mouth is. We have a board who are running the club correctly and ensuring long term progress and self sustenance. We are playing by the rules in terms of FFP, which will benefit us in the long term and possibly medium term if the FA/FL through with there threats of fines, point deductions and transfer embargo. Everybody knows there are a good number of teams in this division who are clearly and unashamedly flouting the rules set out by the FL and they should be punished for it. With Brighton's infrastructure, unwavering support, passion and footballing ethos, whether it be this Season or next, there is only one way this club is going and that is to the Premier League, it is our destiny, it is inevitable.
This is simply one of the most clearly expressed, positive and accurate posts I have read since I joined the forum.
IMHO we can all learn from it. Thanks.
[quote][p][bold]Alan G Skinner[/bold] wrote: We have one of the finest Stadiums in the country, in five months we will have one of the finest youth academies and first team training ground anywhere in the world. We are top ten in the country in terms of season ticket sales and have the best support outside the Premier League, with better support than a number of established Premier League Clubs. We have a Chairman who has Brighton in his soul and has put his money where his mouth is. We have a board who are running the club correctly and ensuring long term progress and self sustenance. We are playing by the rules in terms of FFP, which will benefit us in the long term and possibly medium term if the FA/FL through with there threats of fines, point deductions and transfer embargo. Everybody knows there are a good number of teams in this division who are clearly and unashamedly flouting the rules set out by the FL and they should be punished for it. With Brighton's infrastructure, unwavering support, passion and footballing ethos, whether it be this Season or next, there is only one way this club is going and that is to the Premier League, it is our destiny, it is inevitable.[/p][/quote]This is simply one of the most clearly expressed, positive and accurate posts I have read since I joined the forum. IMHO we can all learn from it. Thanks. brightonup

12:20pm Mon 20 Jan 14

russellsnr2 says...

I said in an earlier post/article reply or should I say asked the question "Is the Manager/Coach Oscar, Mr Jones, Mr Barber or Mr Bloom in charge of our team"?
To many cooks comes to mind when it seems decisions on players in or out are being made.
When was the last time we read that Oscar was at another match maybe to watch a possible incoming player, he is or should be the man in charge of the team now and be telling others if does not have the time what he wants for us to improve, he has had long enough to get to no our team and what he feels he needs to make a success and take us forward.
The Albion seems also not to want to say much when it comes to who we maybe interested in brining in, it has become like the secret society when it comes to letting the supporters no what is going on, many say it has nothing to do with supporters but it has also been said without supporters you don't have a club!!
I don't think we are impatient when wanting news, more like frustrated with the lack of it when it comes to the transfer market.
All of course JMO and sure someone will find to differ with it.
I said in an earlier post/article reply or should I say asked the question "Is the Manager/Coach Oscar, Mr Jones, Mr Barber or Mr Bloom in charge of our team"? To many cooks comes to mind when it seems decisions on players in or out are being made. When was the last time we read that Oscar was at another match maybe to watch a possible incoming player, he is or should be the man in charge of the team now and be telling others if does not have the time what he wants for us to improve, he has had long enough to get to no our team and what he feels he needs to make a success and take us forward. The Albion seems also not to want to say much when it comes to who we maybe interested in brining in, it has become like the secret society when it comes to letting the supporters no what is going on, many say it has nothing to do with supporters but it has also been said without supporters you don't have a club!! I don't think we are impatient when wanting news, more like frustrated with the lack of it when it comes to the transfer market. All of course JMO and sure someone will find to differ with it. russellsnr2

12:27pm Mon 20 Jan 14

Chi Gull says...

Alan G Skinner wrote:
We have one of the finest Stadiums in the country, in five months we will have one of the finest youth academies and first team training ground anywhere in the world. We are top ten in the country in terms of season ticket sales and have the best support outside the Premier League, with better support than a number of established Premier League Clubs. We have a Chairman who has Brighton in his soul and has put his money where his mouth is. We have a board who are running the club correctly and ensuring long term progress and self sustenance. We are playing by the rules in terms of FFP, which will benefit us in the long term and possibly medium term if the FA/FL through with there threats of fines, point deductions and transfer embargo. Everybody knows there are a good number of teams in this division who are clearly and unashamedly flouting the rules set out by the FL and they should be punished for it. With Brighton's infrastructure, unwavering support, passion and footballing ethos, whether it be this Season or next, there is only one way this club is going and that is to the Premier League, it is our destiny, it is inevitable.
Brilliant - best post on here for some time by a country mile.

There was always going to be a problem in developing a world class ground and the new training facilities, whilst at the same time mounting a challenge for the PL. So far we have done pretty well in balancing all that. A couple of good results and we are back on track. I have said before that the proper time to judge how we are doing is at the end of this month after our difficult away games and the end of the transfer window.

If i had a criticism it would be around the communication from the club to the fans. When GP was manager he did speak broadly about targets for the transfer window. They didn't all come off but at least we knew what was being targeted. This time it is difficult for us to know what we are after and who is masterminding it. A little bit more info would be appreciated otherwise it leads to uncertainty and concerns.
[quote][p][bold]Alan G Skinner[/bold] wrote: We have one of the finest Stadiums in the country, in five months we will have one of the finest youth academies and first team training ground anywhere in the world. We are top ten in the country in terms of season ticket sales and have the best support outside the Premier League, with better support than a number of established Premier League Clubs. We have a Chairman who has Brighton in his soul and has put his money where his mouth is. We have a board who are running the club correctly and ensuring long term progress and self sustenance. We are playing by the rules in terms of FFP, which will benefit us in the long term and possibly medium term if the FA/FL through with there threats of fines, point deductions and transfer embargo. Everybody knows there are a good number of teams in this division who are clearly and unashamedly flouting the rules set out by the FL and they should be punished for it. With Brighton's infrastructure, unwavering support, passion and footballing ethos, whether it be this Season or next, there is only one way this club is going and that is to the Premier League, it is our destiny, it is inevitable.[/p][/quote]Brilliant - best post on here for some time by a country mile. There was always going to be a problem in developing a world class ground and the new training facilities, whilst at the same time mounting a challenge for the PL. So far we have done pretty well in balancing all that. A couple of good results and we are back on track. I have said before that the proper time to judge how we are doing is at the end of this month after our difficult away games and the end of the transfer window. If i had a criticism it would be around the communication from the club to the fans. When GP was manager he did speak broadly about targets for the transfer window. They didn't all come off but at least we knew what was being targeted. This time it is difficult for us to know what we are after and who is masterminding it. A little bit more info would be appreciated otherwise it leads to uncertainty and concerns. Chi Gull

12:29pm Mon 20 Jan 14

saraman says...

B rian Tawses left foot wrote:
.Quote » Report this post » ... 11:02am Mon 20 Jan 14 Claude Back says... Jimmy Langley wrote: The first thing we need to sort out is who is driving the on field activity! we have Oscar saying that he didn't want to lose Barnes or El Abd and doesn't want to lose Bridcutt. By asking the club to sort out the Bridcutt situation he is made to look totally impotent and the playing staff must wonder who is making the important decisions. If Tony Bloom has decided to go with the current structure where responsibilities appear to be shared then he must decide, in his absence abroad, who has the ultimate say in the club's day to day activities. I believe that the structure which has been put in place was the real reason for the fall out between Poyet and The Albion. You are so right. Both postings are nothing but the products of fevered imaginations. Neither of you, along with myself and all other supporters, have any idea how the club is run.
No it's no fevered imagination Brian, it's raw passion for OUR football club.

None of us, as you say know the intricate workings of The Albion but that does not iliminate us from expressing our concerns or desires. Nobody on here wishes to see our club fail or be unsucessful (except the trolls of course). It's just passion Brian. Nothing but passion and if we don't have that we have nothing. For me, I'm convinced all will come good.
[quote][p][bold]B rian Tawses left foot[/bold] wrote: .Quote » Report this post » ... 11:02am Mon 20 Jan 14 Claude Back says... Jimmy Langley wrote: The first thing we need to sort out is who is driving the on field activity! we have Oscar saying that he didn't want to lose Barnes or El Abd and doesn't want to lose Bridcutt. By asking the club to sort out the Bridcutt situation he is made to look totally impotent and the playing staff must wonder who is making the important decisions. If Tony Bloom has decided to go with the current structure where responsibilities appear to be shared then he must decide, in his absence abroad, who has the ultimate say in the club's day to day activities. I believe that the structure which has been put in place was the real reason for the fall out between Poyet and The Albion. You are so right. Both postings are nothing but the products of fevered imaginations. Neither of you, along with myself and all other supporters, have any idea how the club is run.[/p][/quote]No it's no fevered imagination Brian, it's raw passion for OUR football club. None of us, as you say know the intricate workings of The Albion but that does not iliminate us from expressing our concerns or desires. Nobody on here wishes to see our club fail or be unsucessful (except the trolls of course). It's just passion Brian. Nothing but passion and if we don't have that we have nothing. For me, I'm convinced all will come good. saraman

12:35pm Mon 20 Jan 14

Aye Aye says...

seegull fly in sky wrote:
Toby gloom noa ploy ppooker sine um pliers lot ov munny insted um bryton UFO
No, UFO!
[quote][p][bold]seegull fly in sky[/bold] wrote: Toby gloom noa ploy ppooker sine um pliers lot ov munny insted um bryton UFO[/p][/quote]No, UFO! Aye Aye

12:49pm Mon 20 Jan 14

Mad Mark says...

Alan G Skinner wrote:
We have one of the finest Stadiums in the country, in five months we will have one of the finest youth academies and first team training ground anywhere in the world. We are top ten in the country in terms of season ticket sales and have the best support outside the Premier League, with better support than a number of established Premier League Clubs. We have a Chairman who has Brighton in his soul and has put his money where his mouth is. We have a board who are running the club correctly and ensuring long term progress and self sustenance. We are playing by the rules in terms of FFP, which will benefit us in the long term and possibly medium term if the FA/FL through with there threats of fines, point deductions and transfer embargo. Everybody knows there are a good number of teams in this division who are clearly and unashamedly flouting the rules set out by the FL and they should be punished for it. With Brighton's infrastructure, unwavering support, passion and footballing ethos, whether it be this Season or next, there is only one way this club is going and that is to the Premier League, it is our destiny, it is inevitable.
At last, somebody with a cool head and stating exactly where we are at this time. This is not a time for panic, it is a time to be realistic, we are good enough for the playoffs this year, just a little tweaking here and there, but paying over inflated January prices for players is a very short term fix, I firmly believe that if we reach the playoffs this year then fantastic, but sensible spending at the end of the season could be the best way forward for automatic promotion next year with a firm financial footing
[quote][p][bold]Alan G Skinner[/bold] wrote: We have one of the finest Stadiums in the country, in five months we will have one of the finest youth academies and first team training ground anywhere in the world. We are top ten in the country in terms of season ticket sales and have the best support outside the Premier League, with better support than a number of established Premier League Clubs. We have a Chairman who has Brighton in his soul and has put his money where his mouth is. We have a board who are running the club correctly and ensuring long term progress and self sustenance. We are playing by the rules in terms of FFP, which will benefit us in the long term and possibly medium term if the FA/FL through with there threats of fines, point deductions and transfer embargo. Everybody knows there are a good number of teams in this division who are clearly and unashamedly flouting the rules set out by the FL and they should be punished for it. With Brighton's infrastructure, unwavering support, passion and footballing ethos, whether it be this Season or next, there is only one way this club is going and that is to the Premier League, it is our destiny, it is inevitable.[/p][/quote]At last, somebody with a cool head and stating exactly where we are at this time. This is not a time for panic, it is a time to be realistic, we are good enough for the playoffs this year, just a little tweaking here and there, but paying over inflated January prices for players is a very short term fix, I firmly believe that if we reach the playoffs this year then fantastic, but sensible spending at the end of the season could be the best way forward for automatic promotion next year with a firm financial footing Mad Mark

12:51pm Mon 20 Jan 14

falmer seagull says...

Solly March should be playing for a start! We need creativity in midfield and he would certainly improve the situation!
Solly March should be playing for a start! We need creativity in midfield and he would certainly improve the situation! falmer seagull

12:56pm Mon 20 Jan 14

fairweathersupporter says...

The noises from the club have been encouraging regarding the acquisition of recruits. The due consideration for Grabban shows some ambition (regardless of peoples opinion on the player's actions since). Mason will be useful and the desire to obtain Conway is also stated. A replacement for Crofts may be a little more of a problem. I do however, not believe that we will be down to the 'bare bones' by the end of the transfer window and I believe that heads will roll if we are. Season ticket renewals and sponsorship deals are all coming up before the end of the season and without providing the necessary impetus; there is a danger that the masses, who are not so patient, will be less willing to fill the coffers.
I would like to think (and be uncharacteristically optimistic) that the sales thus far have been with a view to the long term. I have stated my admiration for El Abd and Barnes but with the formers desire to play regularly and also being less than 'Premiership ready' and with the latter's contract status and also being 'Jack of all trades and master of none'; it seemed to make sense to let them go. This is of course provided replacements are inbound. In Barnes's case, a more specialist player suited to our style and in Adam's, a younger recruit with a bit more pace (replacing his 'never say die' attitude will of course be far more of a challenge…)
We are told that replacements are regularly scouted for all positions. With business plans and corporate professionalism oozing out of the very foundations of our 'Jewel in the downs'; I find it difficult to believe that the situation we are currently negotiating has not been foreseen. With the exception of Crofts, the current situation was reasonably predictable, without the need for the crystal ball at the end of the Place Pier...
The Bridcutt situation is not something that the club can necessarily be blamed for . If the player wants to go but the price is not being met, then what do you do? He is an asset, he is under contract and plainly worth more than is being offered. Let's see if Tony's poker face twitches with this little conundrum…
So in conclusion, as one of the more patient and longer serving fans, I do not believe that we are currently equipped to achieve the goals set for us without a few quality, sensible, acquisitions. And I believe that every effort will be made to make sure that we are so equipped. And if not, we can have another ill informed, knee jerk debate in February but with perhaps a little more conviction.
The noises from the club have been encouraging regarding the acquisition of recruits. The due consideration for Grabban shows some ambition (regardless of peoples opinion on the player's actions since). Mason will be useful and the desire to obtain Conway is also stated. A replacement for Crofts may be a little more of a problem. I do however, not believe that we will be down to the 'bare bones' by the end of the transfer window and I believe that heads will roll if we are. Season ticket renewals and sponsorship deals are all coming up before the end of the season and without providing the necessary impetus; there is a danger that the masses, who are not so patient, will be less willing to fill the coffers. I would like to think (and be uncharacteristically optimistic) that the sales thus far have been with a view to the long term. I have stated my admiration for El Abd and Barnes but with the formers desire to play regularly and also being less than 'Premiership ready' and with the latter's contract status and also being 'Jack of all trades and master of none'; it seemed to make sense to let them go. This is of course provided replacements are inbound. In Barnes's case, a more specialist player suited to our style and in Adam's, a younger recruit with a bit more pace (replacing his 'never say die' attitude will of course be far more of a challenge…) We are told that replacements are regularly scouted for all positions. With business plans and corporate professionalism oozing out of the very foundations of our 'Jewel in the downs'; I find it difficult to believe that the situation we are currently negotiating has not been foreseen. With the exception of Crofts, the current situation was reasonably predictable, without the need for the crystal ball at the end of the Place Pier... The Bridcutt situation is not something that the club can necessarily be blamed for . If the player wants to go but the price is not being met, then what do you do? He is an asset, he is under contract and plainly worth more than is being offered. Let's see if Tony's poker face twitches with this little conundrum… So in conclusion, as one of the more patient and longer serving fans, I do not believe that we are currently equipped to achieve the goals set for us without a few quality, sensible, acquisitions. And I believe that every effort will be made to make sure that we are so equipped. And if not, we can have another ill informed, knee jerk debate in February but with perhaps a little more conviction. fairweathersupporter

1:09pm Mon 20 Jan 14

Vince says...

B rian Tawses left foot wrote:
Well, how easily you take the bait laid out by Naylor, whose job, like all journalists, is to stir the pot and create controversy. Sure enough out come the spend, spend brigade. Yep, easy enough to spend when the money to be spent is not yours. Remember the club is £9 million in debt. Do we want to go down the Bolton route, so easily done - but ultimately nothing but foolishness? We are being quoted silly money for players who are really nothing but reserves and surplus to requirements at their present clubs. The club should hang fire until the summer when a lot of players will be out of contract and more sensible offers can be realistically tabled. We have CMS, Lua-Lua and Buckley to return to the squad in the next few weeks. Bringing in Conway on loan and a younger centre back would be wise - otherwise give the ludicrous - not to mention desperate, January transfer a wide berth.
I tend to agree with this post, and that of Alan Skinner. We don't want to pay the inflated January prices. To pay what I consider is an inflated price of £2.5m for Joe Mason is a big gamble, so I would stick with what we've got - and with Buckley, Lua Lua and Orlandi who can all score goals (as can David) as well as Obika who also is quite capable of hitting the net, then we don't need to squander good money on panic buys. Clearly we are more vulnerable having lost Barnes, El-Abs, Crofts and to all intents and purposes Bridcutt. What team wouldn't miss 4 players of their quality.
Now is the time to give Jake and Solly more "outings, and get Agustien more into the picture. He was outstanding against Barnsley, and showed great creativity.
Bruno, Ward have been outstanding recently (and we have cover in Calderon and Chicksen. We need to decide whether Dunk will be our reserve centre back. if not someone to replace El-Abd would be sensible.

It may be that we could get someone from a lower division like Sam Baldock of Bristol City - and I am surprised that we didn't do a deal in the El-Abd departure. There are some quality p[layers in the lower divisions who could do a good job for us at a reasonable price.

It's not the time to panic.
[quote][p][bold]B rian Tawses left foot[/bold] wrote: Well, how easily you take the bait laid out by Naylor, whose job, like all journalists, is to stir the pot and create controversy. Sure enough out come the spend, spend brigade. Yep, easy enough to spend when the money to be spent is not yours. Remember the club is £9 million in debt. Do we want to go down the Bolton route, so easily done - but ultimately nothing but foolishness? We are being quoted silly money for players who are really nothing but reserves and surplus to requirements at their present clubs. The club should hang fire until the summer when a lot of players will be out of contract and more sensible offers can be realistically tabled. We have CMS, Lua-Lua and Buckley to return to the squad in the next few weeks. Bringing in Conway on loan and a younger centre back would be wise - otherwise give the ludicrous - not to mention desperate, January transfer a wide berth.[/p][/quote]I tend to agree with this post, and that of Alan Skinner. We don't want to pay the inflated January prices. To pay what I consider is an inflated price of £2.5m for Joe Mason is a big gamble, so I would stick with what we've got - and with Buckley, Lua Lua and Orlandi who can all score goals (as can David) as well as Obika who also is quite capable of hitting the net, then we don't need to squander good money on panic buys. Clearly we are more vulnerable having lost Barnes, El-Abs, Crofts and to all intents and purposes Bridcutt. What team wouldn't miss 4 players of their quality. Now is the time to give Jake and Solly more "outings, and get Agustien more into the picture. He was outstanding against Barnsley, and showed great creativity. Bruno, Ward have been outstanding recently (and we have cover in Calderon and Chicksen. We need to decide whether Dunk will be our reserve centre back. if not someone to replace El-Abd would be sensible. It may be that we could get someone from a lower division like Sam Baldock of Bristol City - and I am surprised that we didn't do a deal in the El-Abd departure. There are some quality p[layers in the lower divisions who could do a good job for us at a reasonable price. It's not the time to panic. Vince

1:11pm Mon 20 Jan 14

albionfan33 says...

Alan G Skinner wrote:
We have one of the finest Stadiums in the country, in five months we will have one of the finest youth academies and first team training ground anywhere in the world. We are top ten in the country in terms of season ticket sales and have the best support outside the Premier League, with better support than a number of established Premier League Clubs. We have a Chairman who has Brighton in his soul and has put his money where his mouth is. We have a board who are running the club correctly and ensuring long term progress and self sustenance. We are playing by the rules in terms of FFP, which will benefit us in the long term and possibly medium term if the FA/FL through with there threats of fines, point deductions and transfer embargo. Everybody knows there are a good number of teams in this division who are clearly and unashamedly flouting the rules set out by the FL and they should be punished for it. With Brighton's infrastructure, unwavering support, passion and footballing ethos, whether it be this Season or next, there is only one way this club is going and that is to the Premier League, it is our destiny, it is inevitable.
wowza that gave me goosebumps quality posting
[quote][p][bold]Alan G Skinner[/bold] wrote: We have one of the finest Stadiums in the country, in five months we will have one of the finest youth academies and first team training ground anywhere in the world. We are top ten in the country in terms of season ticket sales and have the best support outside the Premier League, with better support than a number of established Premier League Clubs. We have a Chairman who has Brighton in his soul and has put his money where his mouth is. We have a board who are running the club correctly and ensuring long term progress and self sustenance. We are playing by the rules in terms of FFP, which will benefit us in the long term and possibly medium term if the FA/FL through with there threats of fines, point deductions and transfer embargo. Everybody knows there are a good number of teams in this division who are clearly and unashamedly flouting the rules set out by the FL and they should be punished for it. With Brighton's infrastructure, unwavering support, passion and footballing ethos, whether it be this Season or next, there is only one way this club is going and that is to the Premier League, it is our destiny, it is inevitable.[/p][/quote]wowza that gave me goosebumps quality posting albionfan33

1:18pm Mon 20 Jan 14

Albion In Staffs says...

I've taken the liberty of pasting elements of a previous post below as I think it's relevant to this thread. Apologies if you think not!
For me, the club has to reflect it's position to steady the ship amidst much speculation and (probably) inaccurate assumption. This is not simply a case of going out and spending money to prove ambition. It's about overall management.
The LB situation and his non-appearance at Derby, made us look weak and manipulated and OG said 'they' (not 'we') have to sort it out.
So if 'the club' is ultimately responsible for LB's state of mind, then they must show some b*ll*cks and tell Sunderland to put up or shut up and also tell LB they expect him to honour his contract in the meantime.
It's madness for 'the coach' (for that is all he is, apparently) to have to make weak excuses. There appears to be a disconnect between coaches and management in terms of the handling of this and LB is driving a coach and horses through the middle. He can tell 'the coach' it's not his fault but doesn't want to play, and the coach tells the player he understands. He then says 'they' have to sort it out.
If there is a tier of people who have assumed specific responsibility to provide players for others to merely coach, they must also take responsibility for the poo end of the stick too.
Does he go or does he stay? Don't leave the coach making excuses and looking like an idiot. Say something.
I've taken the liberty of pasting elements of a previous post below as I think it's relevant to this thread. Apologies if you think not! For me, the club has to reflect it's position to steady the ship amidst much speculation and (probably) inaccurate assumption. This is not simply a case of going out and spending money to prove ambition. It's about overall management. The LB situation and his non-appearance at Derby, made us look weak and manipulated and OG said 'they' (not 'we') have to sort it out. So if 'the club' is ultimately responsible for LB's state of mind, then they must show some b*ll*cks and tell Sunderland to put up or shut up and also tell LB they expect him to honour his contract in the meantime. It's madness for 'the coach' (for that is all he is, apparently) to have to make weak excuses. There appears to be a disconnect between coaches and management in terms of the handling of this and LB is driving a coach and horses through the middle. He can tell 'the coach' it's not his fault but doesn't want to play, and the coach tells the player he understands. He then says 'they' have to sort it out. If there is a tier of people who have assumed specific responsibility to provide players for others to merely coach, they must also take responsibility for the poo end of the stick too. Does he go or does he stay? Don't leave the coach making excuses and looking like an idiot. Say something. Albion In Staffs

1:37pm Mon 20 Jan 14

Eddy B says...

Fans' patience has to be managed of course, but although I don't think we'll make it this year I am still confident we are moving in the right direction. Considering the Poyet debacle & our numerous injuries it has been a good season and I would start next season with alot of optimism.

Furthermore it is not as if we have been completely dormant in our transfer dealings. It was only a couple of weeks ago that Obika joined. Buckley and Bridders are still with us at the moment and the ones we've sold you couldn't really consider premiership ready anyway. I suspect we will see much more significant comings and goings in this summers' transfer window.
Fans' patience has to be managed of course, but although I don't think we'll make it this year I am still confident we are moving in the right direction. Considering the Poyet debacle & our numerous injuries it has been a good season and I would start next season with alot of optimism. Furthermore it is not as if we have been completely dormant in our transfer dealings. It was only a couple of weeks ago that Obika joined. Buckley and Bridders are still with us at the moment and the ones we've sold you couldn't really consider premiership ready anyway. I suspect we will see much more significant comings and goings in this summers' transfer window. Eddy B

1:45pm Mon 20 Jan 14

Withdean-er says...

I know a couple of groups of fans who are giving up their season tickets (not me) at the end of this season. One of the groups, a family are not 'plastics' and have been attending supporters for decades. The worsening travel arrangements for their area is one major cause.

But my point is, the noticeable areas of empty seats in the ES, NS, and WSL that have appeared this season, do not show in the 'attendance' stats, as like all clubs now we include no-shows s/t holders in the figures. Unless TB shows some intent with a couple of class acquisitions in this window, it's my belief that many of the marginal supporters out of the 23,000 s/t holders will call it day. The no-shows or might-goes, will simply not renew their DD. It is written in stone that we will always have more s/t holders than clubs in far larger cities like Leeds & Nottingham. One of the main reasons for our incredible support has been the momentum of the last 4 years, and a noticeable deterioration in squad quality and results will eventually reduce club income .... a vicious circle reducing TB's player budge further.

I'm not obsessed with promotion to the PL. But it's about having a squad with sufficient quality to break down opponents, and have a good chance of competing at the top end of the Championship.

TB cannot afford to be too conservative in player investment.
I know a couple of groups of fans who are giving up their season tickets (not me) at the end of this season. One of the groups, a family are not 'plastics' and have been attending supporters for decades. The worsening travel arrangements for their area is one major cause. But my point is, the noticeable areas of empty seats in the ES, NS, and WSL that have appeared this season, do not show in the 'attendance' stats, as like all clubs now we include no-shows s/t holders in the figures. Unless TB shows some intent with a couple of class acquisitions in this window, it's my belief that many of the marginal supporters out of the 23,000 s/t holders will call it day. The no-shows or might-goes, will simply not renew their DD. It is written in stone that we will always have more s/t holders than clubs in far larger cities like Leeds & Nottingham. One of the main reasons for our incredible support has been the momentum of the last 4 years, and a noticeable deterioration in squad quality and results will eventually reduce club income .... a vicious circle reducing TB's player budge further. I'm not obsessed with promotion to the PL. But it's about having a squad with sufficient quality to break down opponents, and have a good chance of competing at the top end of the Championship. TB cannot afford to be too conservative in player investment. Withdean-er

1:46pm Mon 20 Jan 14

Withdean-er says...

Withdean-er wrote:
I know a couple of groups of fans who are giving up their season tickets (not me) at the end of this season. One of the groups, a family are not 'plastics' and have been attending supporters for decades. The worsening travel arrangements for their area is one major cause.

But my point is, the noticeable areas of empty seats in the ES, NS, and WSL that have appeared this season, do not show in the 'attendance' stats, as like all clubs now we include no-shows s/t holders in the figures. Unless TB shows some intent with a couple of class acquisitions in this window, it's my belief that many of the marginal supporters out of the 23,000 s/t holders will call it day. The no-shows or might-goes, will simply not renew their DD. It is written in stone that we will always have more s/t holders than clubs in far larger cities like Leeds & Nottingham. One of the main reasons for our incredible support has been the momentum of the last 4 years, and a noticeable deterioration in squad quality and results will eventually reduce club income .... a vicious circle reducing TB's player budge further.

I'm not obsessed with promotion to the PL. But it's about having a squad with sufficient quality to break down opponents, and have a good chance of competing at the top end of the Championship.

TB cannot afford to be too conservative in player investment.
Correction:

It is NOT written in stone that we will always have more s/t holders than clubs in far larger cities like Leeds & Nottingham.
[quote][p][bold]Withdean-er[/bold] wrote: I know a couple of groups of fans who are giving up their season tickets (not me) at the end of this season. One of the groups, a family are not 'plastics' and have been attending supporters for decades. The worsening travel arrangements for their area is one major cause. But my point is, the noticeable areas of empty seats in the ES, NS, and WSL that have appeared this season, do not show in the 'attendance' stats, as like all clubs now we include no-shows s/t holders in the figures. Unless TB shows some intent with a couple of class acquisitions in this window, it's my belief that many of the marginal supporters out of the 23,000 s/t holders will call it day. The no-shows or might-goes, will simply not renew their DD. It is written in stone that we will always have more s/t holders than clubs in far larger cities like Leeds & Nottingham. One of the main reasons for our incredible support has been the momentum of the last 4 years, and a noticeable deterioration in squad quality and results will eventually reduce club income .... a vicious circle reducing TB's player budge further. I'm not obsessed with promotion to the PL. But it's about having a squad with sufficient quality to break down opponents, and have a good chance of competing at the top end of the Championship. TB cannot afford to be too conservative in player investment.[/p][/quote]Correction: It is NOT written in stone that we will always have more s/t holders than clubs in far larger cities like Leeds & Nottingham. Withdean-er

1:55pm Mon 20 Jan 14

Aye Aye says...

Alan G Skinner wrote:
We have one of the finest Stadiums in the country, in five months we will have one of the finest youth academies and first team training ground anywhere in the world. We are top ten in the country in terms of season ticket sales and have the best support outside the Premier League, with better support than a number of established Premier League Clubs. We have a Chairman who has Brighton in his soul and has put his money where his mouth is. We have a board who are running the club correctly and ensuring long term progress and self sustenance. We are playing by the rules in terms of FFP, which will benefit us in the long term and possibly medium term if the FA/FL through with there threats of fines, point deductions and transfer embargo. Everybody knows there are a good number of teams in this division who are clearly and unashamedly flouting the rules set out by the FL and they should be punished for it. With Brighton's infrastructure, unwavering support, passion and footballing ethos, whether it be this Season or next, there is only one way this club is going and that is to the Premier League, it is our destiny, it is inevitable.
Brilliant! Very well said AGS.
[quote][p][bold]Alan G Skinner[/bold] wrote: We have one of the finest Stadiums in the country, in five months we will have one of the finest youth academies and first team training ground anywhere in the world. We are top ten in the country in terms of season ticket sales and have the best support outside the Premier League, with better support than a number of established Premier League Clubs. We have a Chairman who has Brighton in his soul and has put his money where his mouth is. We have a board who are running the club correctly and ensuring long term progress and self sustenance. We are playing by the rules in terms of FFP, which will benefit us in the long term and possibly medium term if the FA/FL through with there threats of fines, point deductions and transfer embargo. Everybody knows there are a good number of teams in this division who are clearly and unashamedly flouting the rules set out by the FL and they should be punished for it. With Brighton's infrastructure, unwavering support, passion and footballing ethos, whether it be this Season or next, there is only one way this club is going and that is to the Premier League, it is our destiny, it is inevitable.[/p][/quote]Brilliant! Very well said AGS. Aye Aye

1:57pm Mon 20 Jan 14

VegasSeagull says...

We can't score goals, or perhaps that should be, we can't score enough goals, ok that's a fair observation, so, 'why,' becomes the question.
What do you need to score goals, well a striker, or strikers that are capable of hitting the back of the net. Before that can happen you need players that can provide that killer pass or pin point cross. Before that happens you need a midfield that is able to get the ball wide or move the ball up the park to the play makers. Before any of the above can happen, you need a settled group of players, those that know each other's game and have formed partnerships.

When, during this season, have we had for a period of four consecutive matches, where Ulloa has had the same guys sending in crosses from wide positions. When has Ulloa had the same midfield behind him for four consecutive matches. When, on the odd occasion that we have kept the same wide players on the park, did they have the same striker to aim for and the same midfield raider working with the striker. For how many games have Buckley and Lua Lua both been fit and had our best striker on the park along with Crofts in midfield. How many times this season have we been able to send out the same eleven from the previous week, regardless of the result. Foe how many weeks have we not had a minimum of four key players out injured, and for how many weeks have we had at least six out at the same time.

If a sign of having ambition is for Oscar and the suits to go out and buy players that are capable of propelling us into the premier division, should they, not only replace those we have sold, but also replace those that are injured, is that what you expect and want.
Buckley and Kaz are out, and both seem to be unable to stay fit, might as well replace them. Barnes has gone, Ulloa needs a partner, so two strikers to be bought. Crofts is out for the season, El-Abd has gone, two more new players needed. David just can't seem to get his act together this year, so I guess we should replace him. Seven players needed, with a total cost of around ten million, three million can come in by selling Bridcutt, we have about a million in the bank from other sales, we are six million short. Yeah we can borrow some players, but quality loan signings often come at a high price and the other big spending clubs will either try to buy them outright or will offer more as a percentage of their wage to the parent club.

It is not a case of us under spending, the issue is spending at a rate that we can afford today, and tomorrow, and those clubs that appear to be flouting the spending rules are making it hard for us to compete in the market. If we find a target for a million, QPR, Forest, Leicester, Burnley, and others, will bid higher and/or offer better wages. We would be showing signs of ambition if we allowed ourselves to flout the FFP rules, run the risk of spending but not getting promoted and then have various punishments imposed which will hurt us in the long run.

The issue right now is not that our squad is weak, we have the players and a couple of additions would be enough, the issue is that too many of our players are out injured. If CMS had been fit all season, would selling Barnes be an issue, would not Ulloa, CMS and a loan not striker be enough, if you add Kaz, Buckley and Crofts to the fire power. The single striker is our system, three on the books is enough for that system and Oscar is showing no signs of wanting to change that.

We do need new players, and we might not be able to attract enough new talent in this window, maybe we won't get promotion this year, but the summer is coming and when it does, we can think about all those players that have been in and out all this season with injuries. Maybe next year we will have a squad where Oscar can send out an eleven two or three weeks in a row without changes due to injuries. Younger, fitter and faster players, and a few that look to be heading for the top rather than several that have been there and are now on the way down in their careers.

How can we spend 30 million on our new facility when we need players now, well I don't know where that 30 million came from but my guess is that it was a loan from a bank, banks want security for a loan, they won't lend money on the backs of a few new signings that may, or may not, deliver the goods. Our club has ambition and the suits know what it will take to not only reach the top but also to stay there, and a sound financial set up along with top class facilities are the foundations on which they will build.
We can't score goals, or perhaps that should be, we can't score enough goals, ok that's a fair observation, so, 'why,' becomes the question. What do you need to score goals, well a striker, or strikers that are capable of hitting the back of the net. Before that can happen you need players that can provide that killer pass or pin point cross. Before that happens you need a midfield that is able to get the ball wide or move the ball up the park to the play makers. Before any of the above can happen, you need a settled group of players, those that know each other's game and have formed partnerships. When, during this season, have we had for a period of four consecutive matches, where Ulloa has had the same guys sending in crosses from wide positions. When has Ulloa had the same midfield behind him for four consecutive matches. When, on the odd occasion that we have kept the same wide players on the park, did they have the same striker to aim for and the same midfield raider working with the striker. For how many games have Buckley and Lua Lua both been fit and had our best striker on the park along with Crofts in midfield. How many times this season have we been able to send out the same eleven from the previous week, regardless of the result. Foe how many weeks have we not had a minimum of four key players out injured, and for how many weeks have we had at least six out at the same time. If a sign of having ambition is for Oscar and the suits to go out and buy players that are capable of propelling us into the premier division, should they, not only replace those we have sold, but also replace those that are injured, is that what you expect and want. Buckley and Kaz are out, and both seem to be unable to stay fit, might as well replace them. Barnes has gone, Ulloa needs a partner, so two strikers to be bought. Crofts is out for the season, El-Abd has gone, two more new players needed. David just can't seem to get his act together this year, so I guess we should replace him. Seven players needed, with a total cost of around ten million, three million can come in by selling Bridcutt, we have about a million in the bank from other sales, we are six million short. Yeah we can borrow some players, but quality loan signings often come at a high price and the other big spending clubs will either try to buy them outright or will offer more as a percentage of their wage to the parent club. It is not a case of us under spending, the issue is spending at a rate that we can afford today, and tomorrow, and those clubs that appear to be flouting the spending rules are making it hard for us to compete in the market. If we find a target for a million, QPR, Forest, Leicester, Burnley, and others, will bid higher and/or offer better wages. We would be showing signs of ambition if we allowed ourselves to flout the FFP rules, run the risk of spending but not getting promoted and then have various punishments imposed which will hurt us in the long run. The issue right now is not that our squad is weak, we have the players and a couple of additions would be enough, the issue is that too many of our players are out injured. If CMS had been fit all season, would selling Barnes be an issue, would not Ulloa, CMS and a loan not striker be enough, if you add Kaz, Buckley and Crofts to the fire power. The single striker is our system, three on the books is enough for that system and Oscar is showing no signs of wanting to change that. We do need new players, and we might not be able to attract enough new talent in this window, maybe we won't get promotion this year, but the summer is coming and when it does, we can think about all those players that have been in and out all this season with injuries. Maybe next year we will have a squad where Oscar can send out an eleven two or three weeks in a row without changes due to injuries. Younger, fitter and faster players, and a few that look to be heading for the top rather than several that have been there and are now on the way down in their careers. How can we spend 30 million on our new facility when we need players now, well I don't know where that 30 million came from but my guess is that it was a loan from a bank, banks want security for a loan, they won't lend money on the backs of a few new signings that may, or may not, deliver the goods. Our club has ambition and the suits know what it will take to not only reach the top but also to stay there, and a sound financial set up along with top class facilities are the foundations on which they will build. VegasSeagull

2:37pm Mon 20 Jan 14

pjwilk says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
We can't score goals, or perhaps that should be, we can't score enough goals, ok that's a fair observation, so, 'why,' becomes the question.
What do you need to score goals, well a striker, or strikers that are capable of hitting the back of the net. Before that can happen you need players that can provide that killer pass or pin point cross. Before that happens you need a midfield that is able to get the ball wide or move the ball up the park to the play makers. Before any of the above can happen, you need a settled group of players, those that know each other's game and have formed partnerships.

When, during this season, have we had for a period of four consecutive matches, where Ulloa has had the same guys sending in crosses from wide positions. When has Ulloa had the same midfield behind him for four consecutive matches. When, on the odd occasion that we have kept the same wide players on the park, did they have the same striker to aim for and the same midfield raider working with the striker. For how many games have Buckley and Lua Lua both been fit and had our best striker on the park along with Crofts in midfield. How many times this season have we been able to send out the same eleven from the previous week, regardless of the result. Foe how many weeks have we not had a minimum of four key players out injured, and for how many weeks have we had at least six out at the same time.

If a sign of having ambition is for Oscar and the suits to go out and buy players that are capable of propelling us into the premier division, should they, not only replace those we have sold, but also replace those that are injured, is that what you expect and want.
Buckley and Kaz are out, and both seem to be unable to stay fit, might as well replace them. Barnes has gone, Ulloa needs a partner, so two strikers to be bought. Crofts is out for the season, El-Abd has gone, two more new players needed. David just can't seem to get his act together this year, so I guess we should replace him. Seven players needed, with a total cost of around ten million, three million can come in by selling Bridcutt, we have about a million in the bank from other sales, we are six million short. Yeah we can borrow some players, but quality loan signings often come at a high price and the other big spending clubs will either try to buy them outright or will offer more as a percentage of their wage to the parent club.

It is not a case of us under spending, the issue is spending at a rate that we can afford today, and tomorrow, and those clubs that appear to be flouting the spending rules are making it hard for us to compete in the market. If we find a target for a million, QPR, Forest, Leicester, Burnley, and others, will bid higher and/or offer better wages. We would be showing signs of ambition if we allowed ourselves to flout the FFP rules, run the risk of spending but not getting promoted and then have various punishments imposed which will hurt us in the long run.

The issue right now is not that our squad is weak, we have the players and a couple of additions would be enough, the issue is that too many of our players are out injured. If CMS had been fit all season, would selling Barnes be an issue, would not Ulloa, CMS and a loan not striker be enough, if you add Kaz, Buckley and Crofts to the fire power. The single striker is our system, three on the books is enough for that system and Oscar is showing no signs of wanting to change that.

We do need new players, and we might not be able to attract enough new talent in this window, maybe we won't get promotion this year, but the summer is coming and when it does, we can think about all those players that have been in and out all this season with injuries. Maybe next year we will have a squad where Oscar can send out an eleven two or three weeks in a row without changes due to injuries. Younger, fitter and faster players, and a few that look to be heading for the top rather than several that have been there and are now on the way down in their careers.

How can we spend 30 million on our new facility when we need players now, well I don't know where that 30 million came from but my guess is that it was a loan from a bank, banks want security for a loan, they won't lend money on the backs of a few new signings that may, or may not, deliver the goods. Our club has ambition and the suits know what it will take to not only reach the top but also to stay there, and a sound financial set up along with top class facilities are the foundations on which they will build.
Very good posting totally agree with all said.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: We can't score goals, or perhaps that should be, we can't score enough goals, ok that's a fair observation, so, 'why,' becomes the question. What do you need to score goals, well a striker, or strikers that are capable of hitting the back of the net. Before that can happen you need players that can provide that killer pass or pin point cross. Before that happens you need a midfield that is able to get the ball wide or move the ball up the park to the play makers. Before any of the above can happen, you need a settled group of players, those that know each other's game and have formed partnerships. When, during this season, have we had for a period of four consecutive matches, where Ulloa has had the same guys sending in crosses from wide positions. When has Ulloa had the same midfield behind him for four consecutive matches. When, on the odd occasion that we have kept the same wide players on the park, did they have the same striker to aim for and the same midfield raider working with the striker. For how many games have Buckley and Lua Lua both been fit and had our best striker on the park along with Crofts in midfield. How many times this season have we been able to send out the same eleven from the previous week, regardless of the result. Foe how many weeks have we not had a minimum of four key players out injured, and for how many weeks have we had at least six out at the same time. If a sign of having ambition is for Oscar and the suits to go out and buy players that are capable of propelling us into the premier division, should they, not only replace those we have sold, but also replace those that are injured, is that what you expect and want. Buckley and Kaz are out, and both seem to be unable to stay fit, might as well replace them. Barnes has gone, Ulloa needs a partner, so two strikers to be bought. Crofts is out for the season, El-Abd has gone, two more new players needed. David just can't seem to get his act together this year, so I guess we should replace him. Seven players needed, with a total cost of around ten million, three million can come in by selling Bridcutt, we have about a million in the bank from other sales, we are six million short. Yeah we can borrow some players, but quality loan signings often come at a high price and the other big spending clubs will either try to buy them outright or will offer more as a percentage of their wage to the parent club. It is not a case of us under spending, the issue is spending at a rate that we can afford today, and tomorrow, and those clubs that appear to be flouting the spending rules are making it hard for us to compete in the market. If we find a target for a million, QPR, Forest, Leicester, Burnley, and others, will bid higher and/or offer better wages. We would be showing signs of ambition if we allowed ourselves to flout the FFP rules, run the risk of spending but not getting promoted and then have various punishments imposed which will hurt us in the long run. The issue right now is not that our squad is weak, we have the players and a couple of additions would be enough, the issue is that too many of our players are out injured. If CMS had been fit all season, would selling Barnes be an issue, would not Ulloa, CMS and a loan not striker be enough, if you add Kaz, Buckley and Crofts to the fire power. The single striker is our system, three on the books is enough for that system and Oscar is showing no signs of wanting to change that. We do need new players, and we might not be able to attract enough new talent in this window, maybe we won't get promotion this year, but the summer is coming and when it does, we can think about all those players that have been in and out all this season with injuries. Maybe next year we will have a squad where Oscar can send out an eleven two or three weeks in a row without changes due to injuries. Younger, fitter and faster players, and a few that look to be heading for the top rather than several that have been there and are now on the way down in their careers. How can we spend 30 million on our new facility when we need players now, well I don't know where that 30 million came from but my guess is that it was a loan from a bank, banks want security for a loan, they won't lend money on the backs of a few new signings that may, or may not, deliver the goods. Our club has ambition and the suits know what it will take to not only reach the top but also to stay there, and a sound financial set up along with top class facilities are the foundations on which they will build.[/p][/quote]Very good posting totally agree with all said. pjwilk

2:43pm Mon 20 Jan 14

Mad Mark says...

blueskiesfromnowon wrote:
Alan G Skinner wrote:
We have one of the finest Stadiums in the country, in five months we will have one of the finest youth academies and first team training ground anywhere in the world. We are top ten in the country in terms of season ticket sales and have the best support outside the Premier League, with better support than a number of established Premier League Clubs. We have a Chairman who has Brighton in his soul and has put his money where his mouth is. We have a board who are running the club correctly and ensuring long term progress and self sustenance. We are playing by the rules in terms of FFP, which will benefit us in the long term and possibly medium term if the FA/FL through with there threats of fines, point deductions and transfer embargo. Everybody knows there are a good number of teams in this division who are clearly and unashamedly flouting the rules set out by the FL and they should be punished for it. With Brighton's infrastructure, unwavering support, passion and footballing ethos, whether it be this Season or next, there is only one way this club is going and that is to the Premier League, it is our destiny, it is inevitable.
Very wise words, and from driverchris too. We all need to take a step back and starting looking at the whole wood rather than the trees. Brighton is a club steadily on the up and up. Through careful steering, we'll get there eventually. Reckless spending caused by panic or pressure exerted by anxious fans is a gamble that can only put the club at risk in the long term. Looking back to the state the club was in 15 years ago, and even where we were just 4 years ago, it's completely incomparable to how things stand now. Lets show a bit more faith in those who are steering the ship, they will only have the best long term interests of the club at heart. January was never, ever going to be an easy month, with so many tough away fixtures and the uncertainty of the transfer window. We all know, surely, that Liam was always bound to want to move on. It makes perfect sense that Adam, greatly loved and already sorely missed, was the kind of individual who would put his love of playing football first, despite his obvious affection for bhafc. Lets calm down a bit, and stop worrying so much. It will all come good in the end.
At last, two sensible posts, panic buying in January is not the answer. We are good enough for at least the playoffs once some of the injured players return. We are progressing properly, to be in contention with our injuries this season is nothing short of incredible, so forget inflated January prices and buy sensibly in the summer. Yes Barnes, El-Abd and Liam will be missed, but they will be replaced with better players. I am not saying don't buy now, just make sure we buy for the long term, and unless we unearth a gem this month lets see what happens this summer
[quote][p][bold]blueskiesfromnowon[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alan G Skinner[/bold] wrote: We have one of the finest Stadiums in the country, in five months we will have one of the finest youth academies and first team training ground anywhere in the world. We are top ten in the country in terms of season ticket sales and have the best support outside the Premier League, with better support than a number of established Premier League Clubs. We have a Chairman who has Brighton in his soul and has put his money where his mouth is. We have a board who are running the club correctly and ensuring long term progress and self sustenance. We are playing by the rules in terms of FFP, which will benefit us in the long term and possibly medium term if the FA/FL through with there threats of fines, point deductions and transfer embargo. Everybody knows there are a good number of teams in this division who are clearly and unashamedly flouting the rules set out by the FL and they should be punished for it. With Brighton's infrastructure, unwavering support, passion and footballing ethos, whether it be this Season or next, there is only one way this club is going and that is to the Premier League, it is our destiny, it is inevitable.[/p][/quote]Very wise words, and from driverchris too. We all need to take a step back and starting looking at the whole wood rather than the trees. Brighton is a club steadily on the up and up. Through careful steering, we'll get there eventually. Reckless spending caused by panic or pressure exerted by anxious fans is a gamble that can only put the club at risk in the long term. Looking back to the state the club was in 15 years ago, and even where we were just 4 years ago, it's completely incomparable to how things stand now. Lets show a bit more faith in those who are steering the ship, they will only have the best long term interests of the club at heart. January was never, ever going to be an easy month, with so many tough away fixtures and the uncertainty of the transfer window. We all know, surely, that Liam was always bound to want to move on. It makes perfect sense that Adam, greatly loved and already sorely missed, was the kind of individual who would put his love of playing football first, despite his obvious affection for bhafc. Lets calm down a bit, and stop worrying so much. It will all come good in the end.[/p][/quote]At last, two sensible posts, panic buying in January is not the answer. We are good enough for at least the playoffs once some of the injured players return. We are progressing properly, to be in contention with our injuries this season is nothing short of incredible, so forget inflated January prices and buy sensibly in the summer. Yes Barnes, El-Abd and Liam will be missed, but they will be replaced with better players. I am not saying don't buy now, just make sure we buy for the long term, and unless we unearth a gem this month lets see what happens this summer Mad Mark

2:43pm Mon 20 Jan 14

pjwilk says...

I think Gus is right we have hit our spending ceiling,The thoughts of supporters dont seem to matter much.I am very concerned and upset by the running of our club.
I think Gus is right we have hit our spending ceiling,The thoughts of supporters dont seem to matter much.I am very concerned and upset by the running of our club. pjwilk

2:45pm Mon 20 Jan 14

mikeygit says...

Another short punchy post from Vegas---sorry Vegas tongue in cheek. You make as usual, a number of valid points and I guess folk like you and I who have a little more time on our hands have time to read and write long posts.
I would imagine there are a number of issues here. We cannot keep our quality players out of the treatment room, we cannot replace players sold with better players at the price we want to pay to keep within the FFP rules--and few Clubs ARE keeping to those rules. I do not really think the SUITS are serious about us going up this season, for the simple reason that we do not have the players to keep us in the Premiership at present. I would say Sunderland have better players than us but they do not seem to be able to play well as a team?? As and when we do go up we need to have solid foundations ALL round. Also I would hazard a guess that TB and co are waiting to see how the FA react to those MANY Clubs that are currently flouting the FFP rules and to see how strong the FA teeth are. Yes we are at a crossroads maybe but some stability needs to be established by keeping our existing squad happy and motivated. I do not like to see players---in effect-- criticizing the Club for not dealing with Bridcutt and other issues. I feel there should be an embargo on players speaking to the press willy nilly. I feel that when Tony gets back from his Aussie jaunt it is he that needs to hold a press conference to answer and iron out issues many of us have. We nearly have everything in place to be a Premiership Club but we just need a few more things in place and we will be there. We need to be patient, support the club but also let the Board know at times when we need some answers.
Another short punchy post from Vegas---sorry Vegas tongue in cheek. You make as usual, a number of valid points and I guess folk like you and I who have a little more time on our hands have time to read and write long posts. I would imagine there are a number of issues here. We cannot keep our quality players out of the treatment room, we cannot replace players sold with better players at the price we want to pay to keep within the FFP rules--and few Clubs ARE keeping to those rules. I do not really think the SUITS are serious about us going up this season, for the simple reason that we do not have the players to keep us in the Premiership at present. I would say Sunderland have better players than us but they do not seem to be able to play well as a team?? As and when we do go up we need to have solid foundations ALL round. Also I would hazard a guess that TB and co are waiting to see how the FA react to those MANY Clubs that are currently flouting the FFP rules and to see how strong the FA teeth are. Yes we are at a crossroads maybe but some stability needs to be established by keeping our existing squad happy and motivated. I do not like to see players---in effect-- criticizing the Club for not dealing with Bridcutt and other issues. I feel there should be an embargo on players speaking to the press willy nilly. I feel that when Tony gets back from his Aussie jaunt it is he that needs to hold a press conference to answer and iron out issues many of us have. We nearly have everything in place to be a Premiership Club but we just need a few more things in place and we will be there. We need to be patient, support the club but also let the Board know at times when we need some answers. mikeygit

3:15pm Mon 20 Jan 14

VegasSeagull says...

mikeygit wrote:
Another short punchy post from Vegas---sorry Vegas tongue in cheek. You make as usual, a number of valid points and I guess folk like you and I who have a little more time on our hands have time to read and write long posts.
I would imagine there are a number of issues here. We cannot keep our quality players out of the treatment room, we cannot replace players sold with better players at the price we want to pay to keep within the FFP rules--and few Clubs ARE keeping to those rules. I do not really think the SUITS are serious about us going up this season, for the simple reason that we do not have the players to keep us in the Premiership at present. I would say Sunderland have better players than us but they do not seem to be able to play well as a team?? As and when we do go up we need to have solid foundations ALL round. Also I would hazard a guess that TB and co are waiting to see how the FA react to those MANY Clubs that are currently flouting the FFP rules and to see how strong the FA teeth are. Yes we are at a crossroads maybe but some stability needs to be established by keeping our existing squad happy and motivated. I do not like to see players---in effect-- criticizing the Club for not dealing with Bridcutt and other issues. I feel there should be an embargo on players speaking to the press willy nilly. I feel that when Tony gets back from his Aussie jaunt it is he that needs to hold a press conference to answer and iron out issues many of us have. We nearly have everything in place to be a Premiership Club but we just need a few more things in place and we will be there. We need to be patient, support the club but also let the Board know at times when we need some answers.
Mickey I get up real early so as to make time for writing my, 'books,'

The point I was trying to make with my last tome is that, the club this year have not abandoned hopes of promotion, we still want it, but how can the fans expect a sustained push for the top when injuries are in control of our destiny. Oscar can only send out players from those he has fit enough to select, surely we should go out and buy every time a player is out for a month. Crofts is out for the season, we should buy to replace him. Barnes has gone, buy to replace him. El-Abed has gone, do a loan deal, after all that player would only be back up, Greer and Upson will always start and Dunk is there. The players that seem prone to injury, Buckley and Kaz come to mind, nurse them for the rest of the season and replace them next year. It's too easy to just write cheques, that's the road to ruin, oh yeah, and I have always hated this window.
[quote][p][bold]mikeygit[/bold] wrote: Another short punchy post from Vegas---sorry Vegas tongue in cheek. You make as usual, a number of valid points and I guess folk like you and I who have a little more time on our hands have time to read and write long posts. I would imagine there are a number of issues here. We cannot keep our quality players out of the treatment room, we cannot replace players sold with better players at the price we want to pay to keep within the FFP rules--and few Clubs ARE keeping to those rules. I do not really think the SUITS are serious about us going up this season, for the simple reason that we do not have the players to keep us in the Premiership at present. I would say Sunderland have better players than us but they do not seem to be able to play well as a team?? As and when we do go up we need to have solid foundations ALL round. Also I would hazard a guess that TB and co are waiting to see how the FA react to those MANY Clubs that are currently flouting the FFP rules and to see how strong the FA teeth are. Yes we are at a crossroads maybe but some stability needs to be established by keeping our existing squad happy and motivated. I do not like to see players---in effect-- criticizing the Club for not dealing with Bridcutt and other issues. I feel there should be an embargo on players speaking to the press willy nilly. I feel that when Tony gets back from his Aussie jaunt it is he that needs to hold a press conference to answer and iron out issues many of us have. We nearly have everything in place to be a Premiership Club but we just need a few more things in place and we will be there. We need to be patient, support the club but also let the Board know at times when we need some answers.[/p][/quote]Mickey I get up real early so as to make time for writing my, 'books,' The point I was trying to make with my last tome is that, the club this year have not abandoned hopes of promotion, we still want it, but how can the fans expect a sustained push for the top when injuries are in control of our destiny. Oscar can only send out players from those he has fit enough to select, surely we should go out and buy every time a player is out for a month. Crofts is out for the season, we should buy to replace him. Barnes has gone, buy to replace him. El-Abed has gone, do a loan deal, after all that player would only be back up, Greer and Upson will always start and Dunk is there. The players that seem prone to injury, Buckley and Kaz come to mind, nurse them for the rest of the season and replace them next year. It's too easy to just write cheques, that's the road to ruin, oh yeah, and I have always hated this window. VegasSeagull

3:15pm Mon 20 Jan 14

B rian Tawses left foot says...

We may finish in the top six again but I sincerely hope we do not go up - we are not ready for it - YET. The club is in a period of transition - the debt situation needs to be addressed and the club needs to be viable WITHOUT the money that being in the premier league brings. WHEN -not if - we get promoted the money from TV and increased attendances should be used to buy premier league quality players who can cut the mustard at that level. Buying some guy from Bournemouth who is ok in the championship - and others of his ilk - is just money down the toilet.
We may finish in the top six again but I sincerely hope we do not go up - we are not ready for it - YET. The club is in a period of transition - the debt situation needs to be addressed and the club needs to be viable WITHOUT the money that being in the premier league brings. WHEN -not if - we get promoted the money from TV and increased attendances should be used to buy premier league quality players who can cut the mustard at that level. Buying some guy from Bournemouth who is ok in the championship - and others of his ilk - is just money down the toilet. B rian Tawses left foot

3:19pm Mon 20 Jan 14

WestStander17 says...

Whether Bridcutt leaves or not, we need ONE player. A very good creative midfield player. He doesn't need to defend too much as we have Ince and Andrews behind him. He just needs to get on the ball and pull the strings for our wingers and mainly Ulloa. Maybe chip in with a few goals himself and take good set pieces.

We are decently covered everywhere else for now. If we went up, we'd have to buy a load anyway. Buying the likes of Conway, Mason, Grabban changes nothing apart from the subs bench right now and we have good young players there already!
Whether Bridcutt leaves or not, we need ONE player. A very good creative midfield player. He doesn't need to defend too much as we have Ince and Andrews behind him. He just needs to get on the ball and pull the strings for our wingers and mainly Ulloa. Maybe chip in with a few goals himself and take good set pieces. We are decently covered everywhere else for now. If we went up, we'd have to buy a load anyway. Buying the likes of Conway, Mason, Grabban changes nothing apart from the subs bench right now and we have good young players there already! WestStander17

3:23pm Mon 20 Jan 14

VegasSeagull says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
mikeygit wrote:
Another short punchy post from Vegas---sorry Vegas tongue in cheek. You make as usual, a number of valid points and I guess folk like you and I who have a little more time on our hands have time to read and write long posts.
I would imagine there are a number of issues here. We cannot keep our quality players out of the treatment room, we cannot replace players sold with better players at the price we want to pay to keep within the FFP rules--and few Clubs ARE keeping to those rules. I do not really think the SUITS are serious about us going up this season, for the simple reason that we do not have the players to keep us in the Premiership at present. I would say Sunderland have better players than us but they do not seem to be able to play well as a team?? As and when we do go up we need to have solid foundations ALL round. Also I would hazard a guess that TB and co are waiting to see how the FA react to those MANY Clubs that are currently flouting the FFP rules and to see how strong the FA teeth are. Yes we are at a crossroads maybe but some stability needs to be established by keeping our existing squad happy and motivated. I do not like to see players---in effect-- criticizing the Club for not dealing with Bridcutt and other issues. I feel there should be an embargo on players speaking to the press willy nilly. I feel that when Tony gets back from his Aussie jaunt it is he that needs to hold a press conference to answer and iron out issues many of us have. We nearly have everything in place to be a Premiership Club but we just need a few more things in place and we will be there. We need to be patient, support the club but also let the Board know at times when we need some answers.
Mickey I get up real early so as to make time for writing my, 'books,'

The point I was trying to make with my last tome is that, the club this year have not abandoned hopes of promotion, we still want it, but how can the fans expect a sustained push for the top when injuries are in control of our destiny. Oscar can only send out players from those he has fit enough to select, surely we should go out and buy every time a player is out for a month. Crofts is out for the season, we should buy to replace him. Barnes has gone, buy to replace him. El-Abed has gone, do a loan deal, after all that player would only be back up, Greer and Upson will always start and Dunk is there. The players that seem prone to injury, Buckley and Kaz come to mind, nurse them for the rest of the season and replace them next year. It's too easy to just write cheques, that's the road to ruin, oh yeah, and I have always hated this window.
error, 'surely we should NOT go out and buy every time a player is out for a month
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mikeygit[/bold] wrote: Another short punchy post from Vegas---sorry Vegas tongue in cheek. You make as usual, a number of valid points and I guess folk like you and I who have a little more time on our hands have time to read and write long posts. I would imagine there are a number of issues here. We cannot keep our quality players out of the treatment room, we cannot replace players sold with better players at the price we want to pay to keep within the FFP rules--and few Clubs ARE keeping to those rules. I do not really think the SUITS are serious about us going up this season, for the simple reason that we do not have the players to keep us in the Premiership at present. I would say Sunderland have better players than us but they do not seem to be able to play well as a team?? As and when we do go up we need to have solid foundations ALL round. Also I would hazard a guess that TB and co are waiting to see how the FA react to those MANY Clubs that are currently flouting the FFP rules and to see how strong the FA teeth are. Yes we are at a crossroads maybe but some stability needs to be established by keeping our existing squad happy and motivated. I do not like to see players---in effect-- criticizing the Club for not dealing with Bridcutt and other issues. I feel there should be an embargo on players speaking to the press willy nilly. I feel that when Tony gets back from his Aussie jaunt it is he that needs to hold a press conference to answer and iron out issues many of us have. We nearly have everything in place to be a Premiership Club but we just need a few more things in place and we will be there. We need to be patient, support the club but also let the Board know at times when we need some answers.[/p][/quote]Mickey I get up real early so as to make time for writing my, 'books,' The point I was trying to make with my last tome is that, the club this year have not abandoned hopes of promotion, we still want it, but how can the fans expect a sustained push for the top when injuries are in control of our destiny. Oscar can only send out players from those he has fit enough to select, surely we should go out and buy every time a player is out for a month. Crofts is out for the season, we should buy to replace him. Barnes has gone, buy to replace him. El-Abed has gone, do a loan deal, after all that player would only be back up, Greer and Upson will always start and Dunk is there. The players that seem prone to injury, Buckley and Kaz come to mind, nurse them for the rest of the season and replace them next year. It's too easy to just write cheques, that's the road to ruin, oh yeah, and I have always hated this window.[/p][/quote]error, 'surely we should NOT go out and buy every time a player is out for a month VegasSeagull

3:23pm Mon 20 Jan 14

jeremy.short724@btinternet.com says...

Went to the Derby game, and we badly missed Crofts, and Lualua.
Thought we were the dominant team but with no cutting edge.
Priority no 1 another striker then attacking midfield. the quality of our next acquisitions will be largely determined by their wage demands which must have been the problem with Grabban
I'm still confidant of a top six finish if we can do some business in the next few weeks. Results wise the seasons panning out like the last one, of course were going to loose a few,but no need to panic!
Went to the Derby game, and we badly missed Crofts, and Lualua. Thought we were the dominant team but with no cutting edge. Priority no 1 another striker then attacking midfield. the quality of our next acquisitions will be largely determined by their wage demands which must have been the problem with Grabban I'm still confidant of a top six finish if we can do some business in the next few weeks. Results wise the seasons panning out like the last one, of course were going to loose a few,but no need to panic! jeremy.short724@btinternet.com

3:30pm Mon 20 Jan 14

Neville says...

Pretty good posts on here generally and think Naylors article is spot on.
In my opinion we need to get in at least 2 key players,attacking midfielder and proven striker plus Conway.
The chairman has stated he expects top 6 finish but with mid table finances.
All the top clubs have strengthened,we have gone the opposite way and the Grabban deal apparently fell through due to dithering/commitment by the negotiators.
Unfortunately FFP seems to be driving everything at this club to the detriment of some sort of investment. There needs to be a balance here,miss this window and the season will be effectively over and the crowds will drop inevitably.
Our competitors do not seem too worried about FFP and possible sanctions etc and the FA are pretty toothless generally,so a lot of clubs will do there utmost to get to the PL and see what happens. If a team gets promoted then they will recruit prior to any sanctions or embargoes I feel.
Pretty good posts on here generally and think Naylors article is spot on. In my opinion we need to get in at least 2 key players,attacking midfielder and proven striker plus Conway. The chairman has stated he expects top 6 finish but with mid table finances. All the top clubs have strengthened,we have gone the opposite way and the Grabban deal apparently fell through due to dithering/commitment by the negotiators. Unfortunately FFP seems to be driving everything at this club to the detriment of some sort of investment. There needs to be a balance here,miss this window and the season will be effectively over and the crowds will drop inevitably. Our competitors do not seem too worried about FFP and possible sanctions etc and the FA are pretty toothless generally,so a lot of clubs will do there utmost to get to the PL and see what happens. If a team gets promoted then they will recruit prior to any sanctions or embargoes I feel. Neville

3:35pm Mon 20 Jan 14

bruce beckett says...

Some excellent posts today from some level-headed and loyal supporters.

Mr. Skinner has superbly summarized many of our thoughts. I only wish I could be as patient.

The frustration is that we have the best support in the Championship yet Burnley and Bournemouth – to name but two – seem to be able to offer their players comparative or higher wages despite their considerably lower revenue streams.

How many teams in this division are actually playing within the current rules?
And will the FL actually penalize them for cocking a snook at FFP?

My only criticism of the club right now is, that at a crucial point of the season and immediately before one our most important games, they allowed players to leave before bringing in suitable replacements.
Some excellent posts today from some level-headed and loyal supporters. Mr. Skinner has superbly summarized many of our thoughts. I only wish I could be as patient. The frustration is that we have the best support in the Championship yet Burnley and Bournemouth – to name but two – seem to be able to offer their players comparative or higher wages despite their considerably lower revenue streams. How many teams in this division are actually playing within the current rules? And will the FL actually penalize them for cocking a snook at FFP? My only criticism of the club right now is, that at a crucial point of the season and immediately before one our most important games, they allowed players to leave before bringing in suitable replacements. bruce beckett

3:40pm Mon 20 Jan 14

VegasSeagull says...

Neville wrote:
Pretty good posts on here generally and think Naylors article is spot on.
In my opinion we need to get in at least 2 key players,attacking midfielder and proven striker plus Conway.
The chairman has stated he expects top 6 finish but with mid table finances.
All the top clubs have strengthened,we have gone the opposite way and the Grabban deal apparently fell through due to dithering/commitment by the negotiators.
Unfortunately FFP seems to be driving everything at this club to the detriment of some sort of investment. There needs to be a balance here,miss this window and the season will be effectively over and the crowds will drop inevitably.
Our competitors do not seem too worried about FFP and possible sanctions etc and the FA are pretty toothless generally,so a lot of clubs will do there utmost to get to the PL and see what happens. If a team gets promoted then they will recruit prior to any sanctions or embargoes I feel.
Yes punishments will certainly kick in after promotions has been gained and after new players have been bought, but what follows could be devastating for them. Big fines coupled with a possible transfer embargo will really hurt a promoted team, even if those punishments came after their first year survival. The losses that brought about those fines will have to be addressed, so cuts in spending and big fines to pay. Chances are that one or more of the promoted clubs will come straight back down, so many do, and then they face those punishments whilst back in the champ div. Parachute payments will only help those clubs deal with the new debts they have run up whilst promoted, the underlying debt will still be there, the debt that they incurred trying to get promotion and they will have to sell some of those they bought at a loss making price.

We don't want any part of that.
[quote][p][bold]Neville[/bold] wrote: Pretty good posts on here generally and think Naylors article is spot on. In my opinion we need to get in at least 2 key players,attacking midfielder and proven striker plus Conway. The chairman has stated he expects top 6 finish but with mid table finances. All the top clubs have strengthened,we have gone the opposite way and the Grabban deal apparently fell through due to dithering/commitment by the negotiators. Unfortunately FFP seems to be driving everything at this club to the detriment of some sort of investment. There needs to be a balance here,miss this window and the season will be effectively over and the crowds will drop inevitably. Our competitors do not seem too worried about FFP and possible sanctions etc and the FA are pretty toothless generally,so a lot of clubs will do there utmost to get to the PL and see what happens. If a team gets promoted then they will recruit prior to any sanctions or embargoes I feel.[/p][/quote]Yes punishments will certainly kick in after promotions has been gained and after new players have been bought, but what follows could be devastating for them. Big fines coupled with a possible transfer embargo will really hurt a promoted team, even if those punishments came after their first year survival. The losses that brought about those fines will have to be addressed, so cuts in spending and big fines to pay. Chances are that one or more of the promoted clubs will come straight back down, so many do, and then they face those punishments whilst back in the champ div. Parachute payments will only help those clubs deal with the new debts they have run up whilst promoted, the underlying debt will still be there, the debt that they incurred trying to get promotion and they will have to sell some of those they bought at a loss making price. We don't want any part of that. VegasSeagull

3:41pm Mon 20 Jan 14

Baldseagull says...

I was scrolling down and seeing a number of Vegas length posts, then saw that Vegas will not be outdone and has trebled the length of his!
Tony Bloom spoke the truth when he said we have a squad capable of promotion but that was before we sold Barnes, lost Crofts for the remainder and look to be losing Bridcutt.
I think the chances of going up this season have been diminished, but until the window closes we won't know, start of last season we were disappointed that not much had come in, then last day of the window we signed 4 including Spanish and Orlandi, so I won't panic yet.
Regarding season ticket sales, I feel these will drop in any case for next season if we don't go up, as it is easier to get a ticket for any given game now with the larger capacity and some people take stock of how many games they have actually attended. I am keeping mine though.
I wonder if Vicente is fit?
I was scrolling down and seeing a number of Vegas length posts, then saw that Vegas will not be outdone and has trebled the length of his! Tony Bloom spoke the truth when he said we have a squad capable of promotion but that was before we sold Barnes, lost Crofts for the remainder and look to be losing Bridcutt. I think the chances of going up this season have been diminished, but until the window closes we won't know, start of last season we were disappointed that not much had come in, then last day of the window we signed 4 including Spanish and Orlandi, so I won't panic yet. Regarding season ticket sales, I feel these will drop in any case for next season if we don't go up, as it is easier to get a ticket for any given game now with the larger capacity and some people take stock of how many games they have actually attended. I am keeping mine though. I wonder if Vicente is fit? Baldseagull

3:44pm Mon 20 Jan 14

WisdomSpeaks says...

Jimmy Langley wrote:
The first thing we need to sort out is who is driving the on field activity! we have Oscar saying that he didn't want to lose Barnes or El Abd and doesn't want to lose Bridcutt. By asking the club to sort out the Bridcutt situation he is made to look totally impotent and the playing staff must wonder who is making the important decisions.
If Tony Bloom has decided to go with the current structure where responsibilities appear to be shared then he must decide, in his absence abroad, who has the ultimate say in the club's day to day activities.
I believe that the structure which has been put in place was the real reason for the fall out between Poyet and The Albion.
Once again - spot on Jimmy Langley - oh how I used to love to see you bombing up the left wing by the way - then you grabbed your pot of gold (£20/Week + £2 for a win and £1 for a draw) by chasing the money at Fulham. You Gold Digger you!!!!!

Seriously though. I have been writing about this for months - and until the club get this basic stuff sorted - we will continue to see players wanting away due to their boss looking to have no 'teeth'. It never has worked with truly successful clubs - and never will. Please get things sorted Tony. Lead from the front. Crack the whip and let 'em know who's the guvnor!

Communicate directly with OG yourself and take the power away from DB. Quick - before it's too late!!! Then with a bit of luck he may b***** off instead of the Head Coach and players.
[quote][p][bold]Jimmy Langley[/bold] wrote: The first thing we need to sort out is who is driving the on field activity! we have Oscar saying that he didn't want to lose Barnes or El Abd and doesn't want to lose Bridcutt. By asking the club to sort out the Bridcutt situation he is made to look totally impotent and the playing staff must wonder who is making the important decisions. If Tony Bloom has decided to go with the current structure where responsibilities appear to be shared then he must decide, in his absence abroad, who has the ultimate say in the club's day to day activities. I believe that the structure which has been put in place was the real reason for the fall out between Poyet and The Albion.[/p][/quote]Once again - spot on Jimmy Langley - oh how I used to love to see you bombing up the left wing by the way - then you grabbed your pot of gold (£20/Week + £2 for a win and £1 for a draw) by chasing the money at Fulham. You Gold Digger you!!!!! Seriously though. I have been writing about this for months - and until the club get this basic stuff sorted - we will continue to see players wanting away due to their boss looking to have no 'teeth'. It never has worked with truly successful clubs - and never will. Please get things sorted Tony. Lead from the front. Crack the whip and let 'em know who's the guvnor! Communicate directly with OG yourself and take the power away from DB. Quick - before it's too late!!! Then with a bit of luck he may b***** off instead of the Head Coach and players. WisdomSpeaks

3:52pm Mon 20 Jan 14

mikeygit says...

Yes agree--many good and well thought out posts. Agree also that FFP is the make or break of some Clubs and do we run the risk of NOT abiding by their rules and gamble of the FA not taking severe enough action??--I think not---like having a police force and overlooking a murder!! Time will tell how it affects clubs, but it surely must otherwise pointless in having such rules. Only three clubs go up so it will affect those left in this division the worst. Financial carnage a possibility??
Yes I am sure Vegas did not mean go out and buy every time a player out for a month???
It must be a very difficult situation for Tony and the Board---Tony is a gambler by profession but I trust him NOT to gamble on the clubs future. Did I see or hear yesterday that new rules are being proposed to cap Premiership wages?? Like closing the door after the horse has gone!!
Yes agree--many good and well thought out posts. Agree also that FFP is the make or break of some Clubs and do we run the risk of NOT abiding by their rules and gamble of the FA not taking severe enough action??--I think not---like having a police force and overlooking a murder!! Time will tell how it affects clubs, but it surely must otherwise pointless in having such rules. Only three clubs go up so it will affect those left in this division the worst. Financial carnage a possibility?? Yes I am sure Vegas did not mean go out and buy every time a player out for a month??? It must be a very difficult situation for Tony and the Board---Tony is a gambler by profession but I trust him NOT to gamble on the clubs future. Did I see or hear yesterday that new rules are being proposed to cap Premiership wages?? Like closing the door after the horse has gone!! mikeygit

3:55pm Mon 20 Jan 14

WestStander17 says...

Neville wrote:
Pretty good posts on here generally and think Naylors article is spot on.
In my opinion we need to get in at least 2 key players,attacking midfielder and proven striker plus Conway.
The chairman has stated he expects top 6 finish but with mid table finances.
All the top clubs have strengthened,we have gone the opposite way and the Grabban deal apparently fell through due to dithering/commitment by the negotiators.
Unfortunately FFP seems to be driving everything at this club to the detriment of some sort of investment. There needs to be a balance here,miss this window and the season will be effectively over and the crowds will drop inevitably.
Our competitors do not seem too worried about FFP and possible sanctions etc and the FA are pretty toothless generally,so a lot of clubs will do there utmost to get to the PL and see what happens. If a team gets promoted then they will recruit prior to any sanctions or embargoes I feel.
We HAVE a proven striker! And we only play one up top.

We HAVE wingers (Lua Lua, Buckley, Orlandi, Dave, March). Conway doesn't improve dramatically on them, if at all.

Attacking midfielder, yes please. A good one. One that will get us to our feet and play it into Ulloa's!
[quote][p][bold]Neville[/bold] wrote: Pretty good posts on here generally and think Naylors article is spot on. In my opinion we need to get in at least 2 key players,attacking midfielder and proven striker plus Conway. The chairman has stated he expects top 6 finish but with mid table finances. All the top clubs have strengthened,we have gone the opposite way and the Grabban deal apparently fell through due to dithering/commitment by the negotiators. Unfortunately FFP seems to be driving everything at this club to the detriment of some sort of investment. There needs to be a balance here,miss this window and the season will be effectively over and the crowds will drop inevitably. Our competitors do not seem too worried about FFP and possible sanctions etc and the FA are pretty toothless generally,so a lot of clubs will do there utmost to get to the PL and see what happens. If a team gets promoted then they will recruit prior to any sanctions or embargoes I feel.[/p][/quote]We HAVE a proven striker! And we only play one up top. We HAVE wingers (Lua Lua, Buckley, Orlandi, Dave, March). Conway doesn't improve dramatically on them, if at all. Attacking midfielder, yes please. A good one. One that will get us to our feet and play it into Ulloa's! WestStander17

4:06pm Mon 20 Jan 14

VegasSeagull says...

Baldseagull wrote:
I was scrolling down and seeing a number of Vegas length posts, then saw that Vegas will not be outdone and has trebled the length of his!
Tony Bloom spoke the truth when he said we have a squad capable of promotion but that was before we sold Barnes, lost Crofts for the remainder and look to be losing Bridcutt.
I think the chances of going up this season have been diminished, but until the window closes we won't know, start of last season we were disappointed that not much had come in, then last day of the window we signed 4 including Spanish and Orlandi, so I won't panic yet.
Regarding season ticket sales, I feel these will drop in any case for next season if we don't go up, as it is easier to get a ticket for any given game now with the larger capacity and some people take stock of how many games they have actually attended. I am keeping mine though.
I wonder if Vicente is fit?
Baldseagull, does this mean that some people are now actually starting to put some meat on the bones of their comments, making a statement and explaining why they think as they do, can't have that can we. Of course I extended my comments from my usual two or three thousand words, did you think I was going to be outdone by these young whipper snappers.
[quote][p][bold]Baldseagull[/bold] wrote: I was scrolling down and seeing a number of Vegas length posts, then saw that Vegas will not be outdone and has trebled the length of his! Tony Bloom spoke the truth when he said we have a squad capable of promotion but that was before we sold Barnes, lost Crofts for the remainder and look to be losing Bridcutt. I think the chances of going up this season have been diminished, but until the window closes we won't know, start of last season we were disappointed that not much had come in, then last day of the window we signed 4 including Spanish and Orlandi, so I won't panic yet. Regarding season ticket sales, I feel these will drop in any case for next season if we don't go up, as it is easier to get a ticket for any given game now with the larger capacity and some people take stock of how many games they have actually attended. I am keeping mine though. I wonder if Vicente is fit?[/p][/quote]Baldseagull, does this mean that some people are now actually starting to put some meat on the bones of their comments, making a statement and explaining why they think as they do, can't have that can we. Of course I extended my comments from my usual two or three thousand words, did you think I was going to be outdone by these young whipper snappers. VegasSeagull

4:10pm Mon 20 Jan 14

tug509 says...

I`m a big fan of Barry Fry ,and last season there was a piece on DoF`s ,on Sky News ,in which he clearly stated that 99% of managers, do not like or want to work with one ,he added that Peterborough were one of the few exceptions ,due to the excellent comunications between himself and Darren Ferguson ,he also pointed out that it was the manager who had the first and last say on new players. We do not seem to have a similar set-up ,so i`m guessing we fall into the dreaded 99% .
I`m a big fan of Barry Fry ,and last season there was a piece on DoF`s ,on Sky News ,in which he clearly stated that 99% of managers, do not like or want to work with one ,he added that Peterborough were one of the few exceptions ,due to the excellent comunications between himself and Darren Ferguson ,he also pointed out that it was the manager who had the first and last say on new players. We do not seem to have a similar set-up ,so i`m guessing we fall into the dreaded 99% . tug509

4:12pm Mon 20 Jan 14

New Jersey Seagull says...

I wholeheartedly agree with the comments by Alan Skinner and others about how far the club come and the preparations for the future with one exception, the problem of players’ wages. Players’ wages are the most significant predictor of a club’s position in the league and BHA has a reputation for frugality in this area. While the club’s ability to “punch above their weight” might be laudable, it also requires an ability to continually find "hidden gems", such as Bridcutt and Ulloa, who are willing to work for less until a better offer comes along. Based on recent signings, it would appear that someone has failed to find these “hidden gems” and that makes one less confident about the club’s approach to this and future transfer windows.
I wholeheartedly agree with the comments by Alan Skinner and others about how far the club come and the preparations for the future with one exception, the problem of players’ wages. Players’ wages are the most significant predictor of a club’s position in the league and BHA has a reputation for frugality in this area. While the club’s ability to “punch above their weight” might be laudable, it also requires an ability to continually find "hidden gems", such as Bridcutt and Ulloa, who are willing to work for less until a better offer comes along. Based on recent signings, it would appear that someone has failed to find these “hidden gems” and that makes one less confident about the club’s approach to this and future transfer windows. New Jersey Seagull

4:12pm Mon 20 Jan 14

Neville says...

Hi Westander
Conway is the only winger who looks up before crossing and normally delivers a fast pacey cross,the others do not.
Hi Westander Conway is the only winger who looks up before crossing and normally delivers a fast pacey cross,the others do not. Neville

4:15pm Mon 20 Jan 14

brightonup says...

I don't have time to write at the length of some of the posts, but must say that the quality of contribution is amongst the most thought provoking and interesting I have enjoyed for the past few years.
Thanks
I don't have time to write at the length of some of the posts, but must say that the quality of contribution is amongst the most thought provoking and interesting I have enjoyed for the past few years. Thanks brightonup

4:17pm Mon 20 Jan 14

VegasSeagull says...

Neville wrote:
Hi Westander
Conway is the only winger who looks up before crossing and normally delivers a fast pacey cross,the others do not.
I agree Neville but if we were to sign him, where does that leave Kaz? Conway seemed to be hitting top form during his last few matches with us, if were to continue in that vein, does that put Kaz back on the bench?
[quote][p][bold]Neville[/bold] wrote: Hi Westander Conway is the only winger who looks up before crossing and normally delivers a fast pacey cross,the others do not.[/p][/quote]I agree Neville but if we were to sign him, where does that leave Kaz? Conway seemed to be hitting top form during his last few matches with us, if were to continue in that vein, does that put Kaz back on the bench? VegasSeagull

4:18pm Mon 20 Jan 14

Alan G Skinner says...

Andrew Naylor certainly knows how to generate a thought provoking debate, although I can't help but think it's slightly mischievous and it appears like an attempt to rattle the less well informed. Generally I think there has been some who have overreacted to the sale of Barnes and El-Abd, both of whom were hard working and good servants to the club and decent players at this level. Let's face it though, it's not like we have just lost Bale or Ronaldo! Both are very replaceable and frankly I was far more concerned with the prospect of loosing Bridcutt, Ulloa or Ince. On the matter of Bridcutt, I believe the clubs position on this matter should remain steadfast. Unless we receive an astronomical offer, let's say £5m all up front, he should stay with us until the summer, when either we are promoted and he stays or we have plenty of time to re-invest his transfer fee in our own time. I firmly believe that if we can replace crofts and bring in a genuine partner for Ulloa, and get Buckley, LuaLua and Makail-Smith fit and keep them fit, I see little reason why we cannot make the play offs. There is NOBODY is this division we need to fear. Let's all stick together and keep the faith, as we Brighton fans always do.
Andrew Naylor certainly knows how to generate a thought provoking debate, although I can't help but think it's slightly mischievous and it appears like an attempt to rattle the less well informed. Generally I think there has been some who have overreacted to the sale of Barnes and El-Abd, both of whom were hard working and good servants to the club and decent players at this level. Let's face it though, it's not like we have just lost Bale or Ronaldo! Both are very replaceable and frankly I was far more concerned with the prospect of loosing Bridcutt, Ulloa or Ince. On the matter of Bridcutt, I believe the clubs position on this matter should remain steadfast. Unless we receive an astronomical offer, let's say £5m all up front, he should stay with us until the summer, when either we are promoted and he stays or we have plenty of time to re-invest his transfer fee in our own time. I firmly believe that if we can replace crofts and bring in a genuine partner for Ulloa, and get Buckley, LuaLua and Makail-Smith fit and keep them fit, I see little reason why we cannot make the play offs. There is NOBODY is this division we need to fear. Let's all stick together and keep the faith, as we Brighton fans always do. Alan G Skinner

4:25pm Mon 20 Jan 14

amexarena says...

Surprised no-one has mentioned the sudden bravery of Naylor to be vaguely critical of the regime at the Albion. This is what the fans wanted to see and hear during the summer of madness, but he was strangely gagged and quiet. Much of the deficiency in the squad can be directed towards the mayhem last summer when the wheels were not on the bus. Given the terrible preapration and the level of injuries, the ability of an average squad to be 7th (currently) is incredible. We aren't ready for the Premier League now - but then neither are Burnley and a few others. I'll take it when it comes quite gladly - but I do wish there would appear more cohesion in the management, more bravery from Naylor to tell it how it is, and more evidence that Oscar really is the perceptive coach we hope he is with some quality (cheap) Latin additions - Obika is not the answer because he did OK at Yeovil and this will be proven.
Surprised no-one has mentioned the sudden bravery of Naylor to be vaguely critical of the regime at the Albion. This is what the fans wanted to see and hear during the summer of madness, but he was strangely gagged and quiet. Much of the deficiency in the squad can be directed towards the mayhem last summer when the wheels were not on the bus. Given the terrible preapration and the level of injuries, the ability of an average squad to be 7th (currently) is incredible. We aren't ready for the Premier League now - but then neither are Burnley and a few others. I'll take it when it comes quite gladly - but I do wish there would appear more cohesion in the management, more bravery from Naylor to tell it how it is, and more evidence that Oscar really is the perceptive coach we hope he is with some quality (cheap) Latin additions - Obika is not the answer because he did OK at Yeovil and this will be proven. amexarena

4:26pm Mon 20 Jan 14

WisdomSpeaks says...

One of the things which I feel so disappointed with regarding the loss of AB, AC and A E A, is that all these three, regardless of what anyone thinks about their footballing qualities, were, without doubt three of the strongest characters and personalities in the club. To lose all three (albeit, hopefully we'll have AC back fit for the beginning of next season), is a very big loss which could affect morale. Hopefully the other senior lads will step up to the plate and assume some of those responsibilities. We have enough of them after all.
One of the things which I feel so disappointed with regarding the loss of AB, AC and A E A, is that all these three, regardless of what anyone thinks about their footballing qualities, were, without doubt three of the strongest characters and personalities in the club. To lose all three (albeit, hopefully we'll have AC back fit for the beginning of next season), is a very big loss which could affect morale. Hopefully the other senior lads will step up to the plate and assume some of those responsibilities. We have enough of them after all. WisdomSpeaks

4:33pm Mon 20 Jan 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

tug509 wrote:
I`m a big fan of Barry Fry ,and last season there was a piece on DoF`s ,on Sky News ,in which he clearly stated that 99% of managers, do not like or want to work with one ,he added that Peterborough were one of the few exceptions ,due to the excellent comunications between himself and Darren Ferguson ,he also pointed out that it was the manager who had the first and last say on new players. We do not seem to have a similar set-up ,so i`m guessing we fall into the dreaded 99% .
Managers may not like working with a DOF but we don't have a manager, we have a Head Coach who has only ever operated under a DOF.
[quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: I`m a big fan of Barry Fry ,and last season there was a piece on DoF`s ,on Sky News ,in which he clearly stated that 99% of managers, do not like or want to work with one ,he added that Peterborough were one of the few exceptions ,due to the excellent comunications between himself and Darren Ferguson ,he also pointed out that it was the manager who had the first and last say on new players. We do not seem to have a similar set-up ,so i`m guessing we fall into the dreaded 99% .[/p][/quote]Managers may not like working with a DOF but we don't have a manager, we have a Head Coach who has only ever operated under a DOF. Ex-pat Arnie

4:37pm Mon 20 Jan 14

and another thing.... says...

WisdomSpeaks wrote:
One of the things which I feel so disappointed with regarding the loss of AB, AC and A E A, is that all these three, regardless of what anyone thinks about their footballing qualities, were, without doubt three of the strongest characters and personalities in the club. To lose all three (albeit, hopefully we'll have AC back fit for the beginning of next season), is a very big loss which could affect morale. Hopefully the other senior lads will step up to the plate and assume some of those responsibilities. We have enough of them after all.
Agree absolutely
[quote][p][bold]WisdomSpeaks[/bold] wrote: One of the things which I feel so disappointed with regarding the loss of AB, AC and A E A, is that all these three, regardless of what anyone thinks about their footballing qualities, were, without doubt three of the strongest characters and personalities in the club. To lose all three (albeit, hopefully we'll have AC back fit for the beginning of next season), is a very big loss which could affect morale. Hopefully the other senior lads will step up to the plate and assume some of those responsibilities. We have enough of them after all.[/p][/quote]Agree absolutely and another thing....

4:38pm Mon 20 Jan 14

VegasSeagull says...

Baldseagull, I am willing to make a bet with you.

I bet that by the end of this week (Sunday), we will have two new players announced.

Now if I am wrong I will stay off this site for a period of 24 hours, not a single word will I type, and you know how much that will hurt me.
If I am wrong, you have to spend 24 hours writing nothing but nice things about me, and I know how much that will hurt you :-)).

The 24 hour period will be the one that encompasses our next match after Sunday. Will you take that bet, does anyone else want to take that bet?
Baldseagull, I am willing to make a bet with you. I bet that by the end of this week (Sunday), we will have two new players announced. Now if I am wrong I will stay off this site for a period of 24 hours, not a single word will I type, and you know how much that will hurt me. If I am wrong, you have to spend 24 hours writing nothing but nice things about me, and I know how much that will hurt you :-)). The 24 hour period will be the one that encompasses our next match after Sunday. Will you take that bet, does anyone else want to take that bet? VegasSeagull

4:39pm Mon 20 Jan 14

VegasSeagull says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Baldseagull, I am willing to make a bet with you.

I bet that by the end of this week (Sunday), we will have two new players announced.

Now if I am wrong I will stay off this site for a period of 24 hours, not a single word will I type, and you know how much that will hurt me.
If I am wrong, you have to spend 24 hours writing nothing but nice things about me, and I know how much that will hurt you :-)).

The 24 hour period will be the one that encompasses our next match after Sunday. Will you take that bet, does anyone else want to take that bet?
anyone else that doesn't like my comments that is.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Baldseagull, I am willing to make a bet with you. I bet that by the end of this week (Sunday), we will have two new players announced. Now if I am wrong I will stay off this site for a period of 24 hours, not a single word will I type, and you know how much that will hurt me. If I am wrong, you have to spend 24 hours writing nothing but nice things about me, and I know how much that will hurt you :-)). The 24 hour period will be the one that encompasses our next match after Sunday. Will you take that bet, does anyone else want to take that bet?[/p][/quote]anyone else that doesn't like my comments that is. VegasSeagull

4:45pm Mon 20 Jan 14

VegasSeagull says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Baldseagull, I am willing to make a bet with you.

I bet that by the end of this week (Sunday), we will have two new players announced.

Now if I am wrong I will stay off this site for a period of 24 hours, not a single word will I type, and you know how much that will hurt me.
If I am wrong, you have to spend 24 hours writing nothing but nice things about me, and I know how much that will hurt you :-)).

The 24 hour period will be the one that encompasses our next match after Sunday. Will you take that bet, does anyone else want to take that bet?
bummer, should wrote, if I am right on the second part of the bet
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Baldseagull, I am willing to make a bet with you. I bet that by the end of this week (Sunday), we will have two new players announced. Now if I am wrong I will stay off this site for a period of 24 hours, not a single word will I type, and you know how much that will hurt me. If I am wrong, you have to spend 24 hours writing nothing but nice things about me, and I know how much that will hurt you :-)). The 24 hour period will be the one that encompasses our next match after Sunday. Will you take that bet, does anyone else want to take that bet?[/p][/quote]bummer, should wrote, if I am right on the second part of the bet VegasSeagull

4:48pm Mon 20 Jan 14

WestStander17 says...

Neville wrote:
Hi Westander
Conway is the only winger who looks up before crossing and normally delivers a fast pacey cross,the others do not.
I agree Conway's crossing is better than Buckley and Lua Lua's. Hasn't Ulloa said he prefers a more floated cross though?
[quote][p][bold]Neville[/bold] wrote: Hi Westander Conway is the only winger who looks up before crossing and normally delivers a fast pacey cross,the others do not.[/p][/quote]I agree Conway's crossing is better than Buckley and Lua Lua's. Hasn't Ulloa said he prefers a more floated cross though? WestStander17

4:50pm Mon 20 Jan 14

WisdomSpeaks says...

I'll have a bet with anyone that the 'Doc' will be gone by the beginning of next season - latest!!!! Very busy in areas outside his own expertise I sense.
I'll have a bet with anyone that the 'Doc' will be gone by the beginning of next season - latest!!!! Very busy in areas outside his own expertise I sense. WisdomSpeaks

4:54pm Mon 20 Jan 14

Neville says...

Westander
Ulloa has just said he would like a cross any cross from someone please
Westander Ulloa has just said he would like a cross any cross from someone please Neville

4:57pm Mon 20 Jan 14

Neville says...

Vegas
Why not play Conway and KLL different types of players,particularly at home
Vegas Why not play Conway and KLL different types of players,particularly at home Neville

5:04pm Mon 20 Jan 14

Grendel says...

Look at our squad. There are several players including almost our entire defence, that are near the end of their careers. There are others who may not hang around if we don't go up, and others who are injury prone. We need to rebuild that squad soon, and we need the Premier League money for that. We have to invest some now otherwise we won't have the money for that rebuild later. We certainly are at a crossroads in more ways than one.
Look at our squad. There are several players including almost our entire defence, that are near the end of their careers. There are others who may not hang around if we don't go up, and others who are injury prone. We need to rebuild that squad soon, and we need the Premier League money for that. We have to invest some now otherwise we won't have the money for that rebuild later. We certainly are at a crossroads in more ways than one. Grendel

5:05pm Mon 20 Jan 14

WestStander17 says...

Neville wrote:
Westander
Ulloa has just said he would like a cross any cross from someone please
Ha! Good point!

I honestly think we aren't too far away from having a side to get us high up this division though. We haven't used Ulloa well enough since he's been back. We need to be more patient and play controlled passes into him. He has no chance when its up round his shoulders.
[quote][p][bold]Neville[/bold] wrote: Westander Ulloa has just said he would like a cross any cross from someone please[/p][/quote]Ha! Good point! I honestly think we aren't too far away from having a side to get us high up this division though. We haven't used Ulloa well enough since he's been back. We need to be more patient and play controlled passes into him. He has no chance when its up round his shoulders. WestStander17

5:08pm Mon 20 Jan 14

Neville says...

BBC WEBSITE Forest Chairman says he is looking to strengthen team with some quality signings, good old FFP and its level playing field.
BBC WEBSITE Forest Chairman says he is looking to strengthen team with some quality signings, good old FFP and its level playing field. Neville

5:16pm Mon 20 Jan 14

pjwilk says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
tug509 wrote:
I`m a big fan of Barry Fry ,and last season there was a piece on DoF`s ,on Sky News ,in which he clearly stated that 99% of managers, do not like or want to work with one ,he added that Peterborough were one of the few exceptions ,due to the excellent comunications between himself and Darren Ferguson ,he also pointed out that it was the manager who had the first and last say on new players. We do not seem to have a similar set-up ,so i`m guessing we fall into the dreaded 99% .
Managers may not like working with a DOF but we don't have a manager, we have a Head Coach who has only ever operated under a DOF.
So we have a head coach not a manager and all his job is is to make sure players are fit and pick the team.All the buying and selling along with finance is the job of D.O.F. even though he knows nothing of the quality of players its just how much we can get for ours and how cheap(especially regarding wages)we can buy a make do fill in player thats not up to Championship quality let alone Premiership.
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: I`m a big fan of Barry Fry ,and last season there was a piece on DoF`s ,on Sky News ,in which he clearly stated that 99% of managers, do not like or want to work with one ,he added that Peterborough were one of the few exceptions ,due to the excellent comunications between himself and Darren Ferguson ,he also pointed out that it was the manager who had the first and last say on new players. We do not seem to have a similar set-up ,so i`m guessing we fall into the dreaded 99% .[/p][/quote]Managers may not like working with a DOF but we don't have a manager, we have a Head Coach who has only ever operated under a DOF.[/p][/quote]So we have a head coach not a manager and all his job is is to make sure players are fit and pick the team.All the buying and selling along with finance is the job of D.O.F. even though he knows nothing of the quality of players its just how much we can get for ours and how cheap(especially regarding wages)we can buy a make do fill in player thats not up to Championship quality let alone Premiership. pjwilk

5:34pm Mon 20 Jan 14

mikeygit says...

Personally I think it ridiculous that he is called a Head Coach---he SHOULD have a say in the selection of players for it is he and only he who should know what type of player he wants in the team and where the shortfalls may lie. How can a man in a suit in an office know how a player is in training, how he reacts, what his attitude is and how to motivate him---only The Manager---the man who knows his players and how he wants them to play---not a fan at all of these new fangled ideas---if you give a man a horse to ride you do not give the reins to someone else!!!!
Personally I think it ridiculous that he is called a Head Coach---he SHOULD have a say in the selection of players for it is he and only he who should know what type of player he wants in the team and where the shortfalls may lie. How can a man in a suit in an office know how a player is in training, how he reacts, what his attitude is and how to motivate him---only The Manager---the man who knows his players and how he wants them to play---not a fan at all of these new fangled ideas---if you give a man a horse to ride you do not give the reins to someone else!!!! mikeygit

5:37pm Mon 20 Jan 14

albion64 says...

Withdean-er wrote:
I know a couple of groups of fans who are giving up their season tickets (not me) at the end of this season. One of the groups, a family are not 'plastics' and have been attending supporters for decades. The worsening travel arrangements for their area is one major cause.

But my point is, the noticeable areas of empty seats in the ES, NS, and WSL that have appeared this season, do not show in the 'attendance' stats, as like all clubs now we include no-shows s/t holders in the figures. Unless TB shows some intent with a couple of class acquisitions in this window, it's my belief that many of the marginal supporters out of the 23,000 s/t holders will call it day. The no-shows or might-goes, will simply not renew their DD. It is written in stone that we will always have more s/t holders than clubs in far larger cities like Leeds & Nottingham. One of the main reasons for our incredible support has been the momentum of the last 4 years, and a noticeable deterioration in squad quality and results will eventually reduce club income .... a vicious circle reducing TB's player budge further.

I'm not obsessed with promotion to the PL. But it's about having a squad with sufficient quality to break down opponents, and have a good chance of competing at the top end of the Championship.

TB cannot afford to be too conservative in player investment.
Alan G Skinners post was of course good and nice and fluffy. You then give us a reality check and get negative votes for your honest opinion.

The danger here is exactly as you have stated, limited patience with the newbie type of support. It is a good possibility that chunks of these people may not renew their season ticket, should the club not progress, like it or not.

I know a few Spurs, Arsenal, Chelsea fans who decided to watch the Albion with their kids. Hopefully we can hold on to this type of supporter.

On the positive side, what Mr Bloom and co have created will never be repeated in the UK, I feel. What a genius the man is. Arise Sir Tony.
UTA
[quote][p][bold]Withdean-er[/bold] wrote: I know a couple of groups of fans who are giving up their season tickets (not me) at the end of this season. One of the groups, a family are not 'plastics' and have been attending supporters for decades. The worsening travel arrangements for their area is one major cause. But my point is, the noticeable areas of empty seats in the ES, NS, and WSL that have appeared this season, do not show in the 'attendance' stats, as like all clubs now we include no-shows s/t holders in the figures. Unless TB shows some intent with a couple of class acquisitions in this window, it's my belief that many of the marginal supporters out of the 23,000 s/t holders will call it day. The no-shows or might-goes, will simply not renew their DD. It is written in stone that we will always have more s/t holders than clubs in far larger cities like Leeds & Nottingham. One of the main reasons for our incredible support has been the momentum of the last 4 years, and a noticeable deterioration in squad quality and results will eventually reduce club income .... a vicious circle reducing TB's player budge further. I'm not obsessed with promotion to the PL. But it's about having a squad with sufficient quality to break down opponents, and have a good chance of competing at the top end of the Championship. TB cannot afford to be too conservative in player investment.[/p][/quote]Alan G Skinners post was of course good and nice and fluffy. You then give us a reality check and get negative votes for your honest opinion. The danger here is exactly as you have stated, limited patience with the newbie type of support. It is a good possibility that chunks of these people may not renew their season ticket, should the club not progress, like it or not. I know a few Spurs, Arsenal, Chelsea fans who decided to watch the Albion with their kids. Hopefully we can hold on to this type of supporter. On the positive side, what Mr Bloom and co have created will never be repeated in the UK, I feel. What a genius the man is. Arise Sir Tony. UTA albion64

5:38pm Mon 20 Jan 14

saraman says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Baldseagull, I am willing to make a bet with you. I bet that by the end of this week (Sunday), we will have two new players announced. Now if I am wrong I will stay off this site for a period of 24 hours, not a single word will I type, and you know how much that will hurt me. If I am wrong, you have to spend 24 hours writing nothing but nice things about me, and I know how much that will hurt you :-)). The 24 hour period will be the one that encompasses our next match after Sunday. Will you take that bet, does anyone else want to take that bet?
You totally crease me up Vegas. Your tomes are always interesting and then you come up with a short corker like this.

I guess that you picked the wong day to give up the fags, booze and glue sniffing.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Baldseagull, I am willing to make a bet with you. I bet that by the end of this week (Sunday), we will have two new players announced. Now if I am wrong I will stay off this site for a period of 24 hours, not a single word will I type, and you know how much that will hurt me. If I am wrong, you have to spend 24 hours writing nothing but nice things about me, and I know how much that will hurt you :-)). The 24 hour period will be the one that encompasses our next match after Sunday. Will you take that bet, does anyone else want to take that bet?[/p][/quote]You totally crease me up Vegas. Your tomes are always interesting and then you come up with a short corker like this. I guess that you picked the wong day to give up the fags, booze and glue sniffing. saraman

5:42pm Mon 20 Jan 14

VegasSeagull says...

Neville wrote:
Vegas
Why not play Conway and KLL different types of players,particularly at home
Fair question, but just as with the fact that we don't play with two strikers, it seems that we also rarely play with two out wide.
Back five added to Ulloa and Ince, two widemen, that's nine players accounted for, who do we put in the middle, one of them is going to have to be a box to box player, looks a little weak in midfield, but hey, perhaps we should go more on the offensive. Crofts our for the season and David wouldn't cut it in that kind of lineup.
[quote][p][bold]Neville[/bold] wrote: Vegas Why not play Conway and KLL different types of players,particularly at home[/p][/quote]Fair question, but just as with the fact that we don't play with two strikers, it seems that we also rarely play with two out wide. Back five added to Ulloa and Ince, two widemen, that's nine players accounted for, who do we put in the middle, one of them is going to have to be a box to box player, looks a little weak in midfield, but hey, perhaps we should go more on the offensive. Crofts our for the season and David wouldn't cut it in that kind of lineup. VegasSeagull

5:45pm Mon 20 Jan 14

VegasSeagull says...

saraman wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Baldseagull, I am willing to make a bet with you. I bet that by the end of this week (Sunday), we will have two new players announced. Now if I am wrong I will stay off this site for a period of 24 hours, not a single word will I type, and you know how much that will hurt me. If I am wrong, you have to spend 24 hours writing nothing but nice things about me, and I know how much that will hurt you :-)). The 24 hour period will be the one that encompasses our next match after Sunday. Will you take that bet, does anyone else want to take that bet?
You totally crease me up Vegas. Your tomes are always interesting and then you come up with a short corker like this.

I guess that you picked the wong day to give up the fags, booze and glue sniffing.
individually they are fine, when you box them all together, look what you get, I really need to straighten myself out.
[quote][p][bold]saraman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Baldseagull, I am willing to make a bet with you. I bet that by the end of this week (Sunday), we will have two new players announced. Now if I am wrong I will stay off this site for a period of 24 hours, not a single word will I type, and you know how much that will hurt me. If I am wrong, you have to spend 24 hours writing nothing but nice things about me, and I know how much that will hurt you :-)). The 24 hour period will be the one that encompasses our next match after Sunday. Will you take that bet, does anyone else want to take that bet?[/p][/quote]You totally crease me up Vegas. Your tomes are always interesting and then you come up with a short corker like this. I guess that you picked the wong day to give up the fags, booze and glue sniffing.[/p][/quote]individually they are fine, when you box them all together, look what you get, I really need to straighten myself out. VegasSeagull

5:59pm Mon 20 Jan 14

VegasSeagull says...

Saraman, on a more serious note, I really do think that 2 new lads will arrive in the coming days, it would be irresponsible for the club not to bring our numbers back up, the needs are obvious for all to see.
I firmly believe that replacing Crofts should be our number one target, his loss to us is massive.
With the departure of El-Abd we do look a tad thin at the back but we do have options. Kaz and Buckley, yep two more losses but we do have Orlandi, Solly and David.
Ulloa and Obika, that looks thin but CMS appears to be just a few games away from returning. I am not sure that Ulloa needs a strike partner in terms of an out and out striker, but he certainly would benefit from having a Crofts type player back on the park. In order of preference I would replace Crofts first, Barnes second and El-Abd third, and if we could bring Conway back, I think we would be looking good again.
Saraman, on a more serious note, I really do think that 2 new lads will arrive in the coming days, it would be irresponsible for the club not to bring our numbers back up, the needs are obvious for all to see. I firmly believe that replacing Crofts should be our number one target, his loss to us is massive. With the departure of El-Abd we do look a tad thin at the back but we do have options. Kaz and Buckley, yep two more losses but we do have Orlandi, Solly and David. Ulloa and Obika, that looks thin but CMS appears to be just a few games away from returning. I am not sure that Ulloa needs a strike partner in terms of an out and out striker, but he certainly would benefit from having a Crofts type player back on the park. In order of preference I would replace Crofts first, Barnes second and El-Abd third, and if we could bring Conway back, I think we would be looking good again. VegasSeagull

6:04pm Mon 20 Jan 14

fairweathersupporter says...

WisdomSpeaks wrote:
One of the things which I feel so disappointed with regarding the loss of AB, AC and A E A, is that all these three, regardless of what anyone thinks about their footballing qualities, were, without doubt three of the strongest characters and personalities in the club. To lose all three (albeit, hopefully we'll have AC back fit for the beginning of next season), is a very big loss which could affect morale. Hopefully the other senior lads will step up to the plate and assume some of those responsibilities. We have enough of them after all.
One would have thought that the Captain (Greer) and his Vice Captain (Calderon) were the strongest personalities at the club. And if 'one' did not think it, then OG does,
as he has not changed the roles since he came in... Apart from Bridcutt's fleeting stand in.
[quote][p][bold]WisdomSpeaks[/bold] wrote: One of the things which I feel so disappointed with regarding the loss of AB, AC and A E A, is that all these three, regardless of what anyone thinks about their footballing qualities, were, without doubt three of the strongest characters and personalities in the club. To lose all three (albeit, hopefully we'll have AC back fit for the beginning of next season), is a very big loss which could affect morale. Hopefully the other senior lads will step up to the plate and assume some of those responsibilities. We have enough of them after all.[/p][/quote]One would have thought that the Captain (Greer) and his Vice Captain (Calderon) were the strongest personalities at the club. And if 'one' did not think it, then OG does, as he has not changed the roles since he came in... Apart from Bridcutt's fleeting stand in. fairweathersupporter

6:15pm Mon 20 Jan 14

fairweathersupporter says...

WestStander17 wrote:
Neville wrote:
Hi Westander
Conway is the only winger who looks up before crossing and normally delivers a fast pacey cross,the others do not.
I agree Conway's crossing is better than Buckley and Lua Lua's. Hasn't Ulloa said he prefers a more floated cross though?
Conway is also better at playing in a slightly narrower front three/ Midfield and cutting in. Lua Lua has worked at that side of his game in the last year but Buckley (when fit) has really annoyed me with his inability to be more effective further in field. Particularly since he is probably the most naturally talented. So in short, Conway gives us a few more options, rather than just 'another wingman'.
[quote][p][bold]WestStander17[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Neville[/bold] wrote: Hi Westander Conway is the only winger who looks up before crossing and normally delivers a fast pacey cross,the others do not.[/p][/quote]I agree Conway's crossing is better than Buckley and Lua Lua's. Hasn't Ulloa said he prefers a more floated cross though?[/p][/quote]Conway is also better at playing in a slightly narrower front three/ Midfield and cutting in. Lua Lua has worked at that side of his game in the last year but Buckley (when fit) has really annoyed me with his inability to be more effective further in field. Particularly since he is probably the most naturally talented. So in short, Conway gives us a few more options, rather than just 'another wingman'. fairweathersupporter

6:20pm Mon 20 Jan 14

Perseus says...

9/1 for promotion ths season. I wil expect about the same for the start of the next season.

I don't believe in signing players like Mason, Conway, Grabban on permanent deals as they are not good enough.
Ward and Adndrews look like the most important permanent signings right now.
9/1 for promotion ths season. I wil expect about the same for the start of the next season. I don't believe in signing players like Mason, Conway, Grabban on permanent deals as they are not good enough. Ward and Adndrews look like the most important permanent signings right now. Perseus

6:27pm Mon 20 Jan 14

saraman says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Saraman, on a more serious note, I really do think that 2 new lads will arrive in the coming days, it would be irresponsible for the club not to bring our numbers back up, the needs are obvious for all to see. I firmly believe that replacing Crofts should be our number one target, his loss to us is massive. With the departure of El-Abd we do look a tad thin at the back but we do have options. Kaz and Buckley, yep two more losses but we do have Orlandi, Solly and David. Ulloa and Obika, that looks thin but CMS appears to be just a few games away from returning. I am not sure that Ulloa needs a strike partner in terms of an out and out striker, but he certainly would benefit from having a Crofts type player back on the park. In order of preference I would replace Crofts first, Barnes second and El-Abd third, and if we could bring Conway back, I think we would be looking good again.
Flipping hell Vegas you just blow me away,

Anyway up Vegas, I cannot believe that you are gainfully involved in any form of work. You spend too much time on here for that to be the case.

I believe that you were exiled to the colonies as they were in the 17 and 1800's for stealing a loaf of bread.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Saraman, on a more serious note, I really do think that 2 new lads will arrive in the coming days, it would be irresponsible for the club not to bring our numbers back up, the needs are obvious for all to see. I firmly believe that replacing Crofts should be our number one target, his loss to us is massive. With the departure of El-Abd we do look a tad thin at the back but we do have options. Kaz and Buckley, yep two more losses but we do have Orlandi, Solly and David. Ulloa and Obika, that looks thin but CMS appears to be just a few games away from returning. I am not sure that Ulloa needs a strike partner in terms of an out and out striker, but he certainly would benefit from having a Crofts type player back on the park. In order of preference I would replace Crofts first, Barnes second and El-Abd third, and if we could bring Conway back, I think we would be looking good again.[/p][/quote]Flipping hell Vegas you just blow me away, Anyway up Vegas, I cannot believe that you are gainfully involved in any form of work. You spend too much time on here for that to be the case. I believe that you were exiled to the colonies as they were in the 17 and 1800's for stealing a loaf of bread. saraman

6:36pm Mon 20 Jan 14

WestStander17 says...

fairweathersupporter wrote:
WestStander17 wrote:
Neville wrote:
Hi Westander
Conway is the only winger who looks up before crossing and normally delivers a fast pacey cross,the others do not.
I agree Conway's crossing is better than Buckley and Lua Lua's. Hasn't Ulloa said he prefers a more floated cross though?
Conway is also better at playing in a slightly narrower front three/ Midfield and cutting in. Lua Lua has worked at that side of his game in the last year but Buckley (when fit) has really annoyed me with his inability to be more effective further in field. Particularly since he is probably the most naturally talented. So in short, Conway gives us a few more options, rather than just 'another wingman'.
Yes, fair point. But, does he add enough to spend money on him right now? I don't think so. Plus, we have Orlandi and Dave who probably prefer to play more centrally and I don't think Conway is any better than either of them.
[quote][p][bold]fairweathersupporter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WestStander17[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Neville[/bold] wrote: Hi Westander Conway is the only winger who looks up before crossing and normally delivers a fast pacey cross,the others do not.[/p][/quote]I agree Conway's crossing is better than Buckley and Lua Lua's. Hasn't Ulloa said he prefers a more floated cross though?[/p][/quote]Conway is also better at playing in a slightly narrower front three/ Midfield and cutting in. Lua Lua has worked at that side of his game in the last year but Buckley (when fit) has really annoyed me with his inability to be more effective further in field. Particularly since he is probably the most naturally talented. So in short, Conway gives us a few more options, rather than just 'another wingman'.[/p][/quote]Yes, fair point. But, does he add enough to spend money on him right now? I don't think so. Plus, we have Orlandi and Dave who probably prefer to play more centrally and I don't think Conway is any better than either of them. WestStander17

6:39pm Mon 20 Jan 14

Baldseagull says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Baldseagull, I am willing to make a bet with you.

I bet that by the end of this week (Sunday), we will have two new players announced.

Now if I am wrong I will stay off this site for a period of 24 hours, not a single word will I type, and you know how much that will hurt me.
If I am wrong, you have to spend 24 hours writing nothing but nice things about me, and I know how much that will hurt you :-)).

The 24 hour period will be the one that encompasses our next match after Sunday. Will you take that bet, does anyone else want to take that bet?
bummer, should wrote, if I am right on the second part of the bet
OK, will take that bet, conditions are that both players must be going straight into the senior squad, not development, can be loans but must be here to end of season, not 30 days.
Can I take your word that you are not going to be travelling or otherwise too busy to post in that 24 hrs anyway?
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Baldseagull, I am willing to make a bet with you. I bet that by the end of this week (Sunday), we will have two new players announced. Now if I am wrong I will stay off this site for a period of 24 hours, not a single word will I type, and you know how much that will hurt me. If I am wrong, you have to spend 24 hours writing nothing but nice things about me, and I know how much that will hurt you :-)). The 24 hour period will be the one that encompasses our next match after Sunday. Will you take that bet, does anyone else want to take that bet?[/p][/quote]bummer, should wrote, if I am right on the second part of the bet[/p][/quote]OK, will take that bet, conditions are that both players must be going straight into the senior squad, not development, can be loans but must be here to end of season, not 30 days. Can I take your word that you are not going to be travelling or otherwise too busy to post in that 24 hrs anyway? Baldseagull

6:40pm Mon 20 Jan 14

VegasSeagull says...

saraman wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Saraman, on a more serious note, I really do think that 2 new lads will arrive in the coming days, it would be irresponsible for the club not to bring our numbers back up, the needs are obvious for all to see. I firmly believe that replacing Crofts should be our number one target, his loss to us is massive. With the departure of El-Abd we do look a tad thin at the back but we do have options. Kaz and Buckley, yep two more losses but we do have Orlandi, Solly and David. Ulloa and Obika, that looks thin but CMS appears to be just a few games away from returning. I am not sure that Ulloa needs a strike partner in terms of an out and out striker, but he certainly would benefit from having a Crofts type player back on the park. In order of preference I would replace Crofts first, Barnes second and El-Abd third, and if we could bring Conway back, I think we would be looking good again.
Flipping hell Vegas you just blow me away,

Anyway up Vegas, I cannot believe that you are gainfully involved in any form of work. You spend too much time on here for that to be the case.

I believe that you were exiled to the colonies as they were in the 17 and 1800's for stealing a loaf of bread.
**** you are good Saraman, but it wasn't a loaf of bread, more a case of stealing his daughter.

I do tend to spend a lot of time on this site but my work, or lack there of, allows me to, and I get up very early each day, oh and today is a holiday.

I am a landscape designer, I create little bits of green in the desert that is southern Nevada, often the designs are what's know as, 'zero scape,' gardens that require very little water to grow. One hour on site coming up with a plan. One hour on my computer writing it all up and maybe a full day on site and that's me done. I got a call from a guy in New York yesterday, he has just bought a property here and I will be designing his gardens, at some point in the coming weeks.
[quote][p][bold]saraman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Saraman, on a more serious note, I really do think that 2 new lads will arrive in the coming days, it would be irresponsible for the club not to bring our numbers back up, the needs are obvious for all to see. I firmly believe that replacing Crofts should be our number one target, his loss to us is massive. With the departure of El-Abd we do look a tad thin at the back but we do have options. Kaz and Buckley, yep two more losses but we do have Orlandi, Solly and David. Ulloa and Obika, that looks thin but CMS appears to be just a few games away from returning. I am not sure that Ulloa needs a strike partner in terms of an out and out striker, but he certainly would benefit from having a Crofts type player back on the park. In order of preference I would replace Crofts first, Barnes second and El-Abd third, and if we could bring Conway back, I think we would be looking good again.[/p][/quote]Flipping hell Vegas you just blow me away, Anyway up Vegas, I cannot believe that you are gainfully involved in any form of work. You spend too much time on here for that to be the case. I believe that you were exiled to the colonies as they were in the 17 and 1800's for stealing a loaf of bread.[/p][/quote]**** you are good Saraman, but it wasn't a loaf of bread, more a case of stealing his daughter. I do tend to spend a lot of time on this site but my work, or lack there of, allows me to, and I get up very early each day, oh and today is a holiday. I am a landscape designer, I create little bits of green in the desert that is southern Nevada, often the designs are what's know as, 'zero scape,' gardens that require very little water to grow. One hour on site coming up with a plan. One hour on my computer writing it all up and maybe a full day on site and that's me done. I got a call from a guy in New York yesterday, he has just bought a property here and I will be designing his gardens, at some point in the coming weeks. VegasSeagull

6:45pm Mon 20 Jan 14

Howie2 says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
We can't score goals, or perhaps that should be, we can't score enough goals, ok that's a fair observation, so, 'why,' becomes the question.
What do you need to score goals, well a striker, or strikers that are capable of hitting the back of the net. Before that can happen you need players that can provide that killer pass or pin point cross. Before that happens you need a midfield that is able to get the ball wide or move the ball up the park to the play makers. Before any of the above can happen, you need a settled group of players, those that know each other's game and have formed partnerships.

When, during this season, have we had for a period of four consecutive matches, where Ulloa has had the same guys sending in crosses from wide positions. When has Ulloa had the same midfield behind him for four consecutive matches. When, on the odd occasion that we have kept the same wide players on the park, did they have the same striker to aim for and the same midfield raider working with the striker. For how many games have Buckley and Lua Lua both been fit and had our best striker on the park along with Crofts in midfield. How many times this season have we been able to send out the same eleven from the previous week, regardless of the result. Foe how many weeks have we not had a minimum of four key players out injured, and for how many weeks have we had at least six out at the same time.

If a sign of having ambition is for Oscar and the suits to go out and buy players that are capable of propelling us into the premier division, should they, not only replace those we have sold, but also replace those that are injured, is that what you expect and want.
Buckley and Kaz are out, and both seem to be unable to stay fit, might as well replace them. Barnes has gone, Ulloa needs a partner, so two strikers to be bought. Crofts is out for the season, El-Abd has gone, two more new players needed. David just can't seem to get his act together this year, so I guess we should replace him. Seven players needed, with a total cost of around ten million, three million can come in by selling Bridcutt, we have about a million in the bank from other sales, we are six million short. Yeah we can borrow some players, but quality loan signings often come at a high price and the other big spending clubs will either try to buy them outright or will offer more as a percentage of their wage to the parent club.

It is not a case of us under spending, the issue is spending at a rate that we can afford today, and tomorrow, and those clubs that appear to be flouting the spending rules are making it hard for us to compete in the market. If we find a target for a million, QPR, Forest, Leicester, Burnley, and others, will bid higher and/or offer better wages. We would be showing signs of ambition if we allowed ourselves to flout the FFP rules, run the risk of spending but not getting promoted and then have various punishments imposed which will hurt us in the long run.

The issue right now is not that our squad is weak, we have the players and a couple of additions would be enough, the issue is that too many of our players are out injured. If CMS had been fit all season, would selling Barnes be an issue, would not Ulloa, CMS and a loan not striker be enough, if you add Kaz, Buckley and Crofts to the fire power. The single striker is our system, three on the books is enough for that system and Oscar is showing no signs of wanting to change that.

We do need new players, and we might not be able to attract enough new talent in this window, maybe we won't get promotion this year, but the summer is coming and when it does, we can think about all those players that have been in and out all this season with injuries. Maybe next year we will have a squad where Oscar can send out an eleven two or three weeks in a row without changes due to injuries. Younger, fitter and faster players, and a few that look to be heading for the top rather than several that have been there and are now on the way down in their careers.

How can we spend 30 million on our new facility when we need players now, well I don't know where that 30 million came from but my guess is that it was a loan from a bank, banks want security for a loan, they won't lend money on the backs of a few new signings that may, or may not, deliver the goods. Our club has ambition and the suits know what it will take to not only reach the top but also to stay there, and a sound financial set up along with top class facilities are the foundations on which they will build.
Agree totally with all of this. It is amazing that having spent weeks integrating Craig Conway into our team his time was up and back to Cardiff he went. He has now spent 4 weeks back there without playing football and we do not appear to have made an attempt to get him back here. We can forget Buckley and Lua Lua as consistent and reliable wide men. They cannot be relied upon for more than impact subs or the occasional full game. Conway showed that we could have a reliable wide man who did not keep getting injured. If we are to score regular goals we MUST have a reliable supplier on the wings.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: We can't score goals, or perhaps that should be, we can't score enough goals, ok that's a fair observation, so, 'why,' becomes the question. What do you need to score goals, well a striker, or strikers that are capable of hitting the back of the net. Before that can happen you need players that can provide that killer pass or pin point cross. Before that happens you need a midfield that is able to get the ball wide or move the ball up the park to the play makers. Before any of the above can happen, you need a settled group of players, those that know each other's game and have formed partnerships. When, during this season, have we had for a period of four consecutive matches, where Ulloa has had the same guys sending in crosses from wide positions. When has Ulloa had the same midfield behind him for four consecutive matches. When, on the odd occasion that we have kept the same wide players on the park, did they have the same striker to aim for and the same midfield raider working with the striker. For how many games have Buckley and Lua Lua both been fit and had our best striker on the park along with Crofts in midfield. How many times this season have we been able to send out the same eleven from the previous week, regardless of the result. Foe how many weeks have we not had a minimum of four key players out injured, and for how many weeks have we had at least six out at the same time. If a sign of having ambition is for Oscar and the suits to go out and buy players that are capable of propelling us into the premier division, should they, not only replace those we have sold, but also replace those that are injured, is that what you expect and want. Buckley and Kaz are out, and both seem to be unable to stay fit, might as well replace them. Barnes has gone, Ulloa needs a partner, so two strikers to be bought. Crofts is out for the season, El-Abd has gone, two more new players needed. David just can't seem to get his act together this year, so I guess we should replace him. Seven players needed, with a total cost of around ten million, three million can come in by selling Bridcutt, we have about a million in the bank from other sales, we are six million short. Yeah we can borrow some players, but quality loan signings often come at a high price and the other big spending clubs will either try to buy them outright or will offer more as a percentage of their wage to the parent club. It is not a case of us under spending, the issue is spending at a rate that we can afford today, and tomorrow, and those clubs that appear to be flouting the spending rules are making it hard for us to compete in the market. If we find a target for a million, QPR, Forest, Leicester, Burnley, and others, will bid higher and/or offer better wages. We would be showing signs of ambition if we allowed ourselves to flout the FFP rules, run the risk of spending but not getting promoted and then have various punishments imposed which will hurt us in the long run. The issue right now is not that our squad is weak, we have the players and a couple of additions would be enough, the issue is that too many of our players are out injured. If CMS had been fit all season, would selling Barnes be an issue, would not Ulloa, CMS and a loan not striker be enough, if you add Kaz, Buckley and Crofts to the fire power. The single striker is our system, three on the books is enough for that system and Oscar is showing no signs of wanting to change that. We do need new players, and we might not be able to attract enough new talent in this window, maybe we won't get promotion this year, but the summer is coming and when it does, we can think about all those players that have been in and out all this season with injuries. Maybe next year we will have a squad where Oscar can send out an eleven two or three weeks in a row without changes due to injuries. Younger, fitter and faster players, and a few that look to be heading for the top rather than several that have been there and are now on the way down in their careers. How can we spend 30 million on our new facility when we need players now, well I don't know where that 30 million came from but my guess is that it was a loan from a bank, banks want security for a loan, they won't lend money on the backs of a few new signings that may, or may not, deliver the goods. Our club has ambition and the suits know what it will take to not only reach the top but also to stay there, and a sound financial set up along with top class facilities are the foundations on which they will build.[/p][/quote]Agree totally with all of this. It is amazing that having spent weeks integrating Craig Conway into our team his time was up and back to Cardiff he went. He has now spent 4 weeks back there without playing football and we do not appear to have made an attempt to get him back here. We can forget Buckley and Lua Lua as consistent and reliable wide men. They cannot be relied upon for more than impact subs or the occasional full game. Conway showed that we could have a reliable wide man who did not keep getting injured. If we are to score regular goals we MUST have a reliable supplier on the wings. Howie2

6:47pm Mon 20 Jan 14

VegasSeagull says...

Baldseagull wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Baldseagull, I am willing to make a bet with you.

I bet that by the end of this week (Sunday), we will have two new players announced.

Now if I am wrong I will stay off this site for a period of 24 hours, not a single word will I type, and you know how much that will hurt me.
If I am wrong, you have to spend 24 hours writing nothing but nice things about me, and I know how much that will hurt you :-)).

The 24 hour period will be the one that encompasses our next match after Sunday. Will you take that bet, does anyone else want to take that bet?
bummer, should wrote, if I am right on the second part of the bet
OK, will take that bet, conditions are that both players must be going straight into the senior squad, not development, can be loans but must be here to end of season, not 30 days.
Can I take your word that you are not going to be travelling or otherwise too busy to post in that 24 hrs anyway?
Whoa there boy you have just changed the bet. My bet was that two players would arrive and nothing more. I will go as far as saying, two players for the senior squad, but as to how long they stay I can't go that far. I am certainly not going to be travelling and I am never too busy to comment, you know that to be true. If I win the bet I will spend the whole 24 hours coming up with the biggest load of crap I have ever posted, just to have you say wonderful things about all that I have written.
[quote][p][bold]Baldseagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Baldseagull, I am willing to make a bet with you. I bet that by the end of this week (Sunday), we will have two new players announced. Now if I am wrong I will stay off this site for a period of 24 hours, not a single word will I type, and you know how much that will hurt me. If I am wrong, you have to spend 24 hours writing nothing but nice things about me, and I know how much that will hurt you :-)). The 24 hour period will be the one that encompasses our next match after Sunday. Will you take that bet, does anyone else want to take that bet?[/p][/quote]bummer, should wrote, if I am right on the second part of the bet[/p][/quote]OK, will take that bet, conditions are that both players must be going straight into the senior squad, not development, can be loans but must be here to end of season, not 30 days. Can I take your word that you are not going to be travelling or otherwise too busy to post in that 24 hrs anyway?[/p][/quote]Whoa there boy you have just changed the bet. My bet was that two players would arrive and nothing more. I will go as far as saying, two players for the senior squad, but as to how long they stay I can't go that far. I am certainly not going to be travelling and I am never too busy to comment, you know that to be true. If I win the bet I will spend the whole 24 hours coming up with the biggest load of crap I have ever posted, just to have you say wonderful things about all that I have written. VegasSeagull

6:50pm Mon 20 Jan 14

Vince says...

We don't want to pay inflated January prices. To pay what I consider is an inflated price of £2.5m for Joe Mason is a big gamble, so I would stick with what we've got - and with Buckley, Lua Lua and Orlandi who can all score goals (as can David) as well as Obika who also is quite capable of hitting the net, then we don't need to squander good money on panic buys. Clearly we are more vulnerable having lost Barnes, El-Abs, Crofts and to all intents and purposes Bridcutt. What team wouldn't miss 4 players of their quality.
Now is the time to give Jake and Solly more "outings, and get Agustien more into the picture. He was outstanding against Barnsley, and showed great creativity.
Bruno, Ward have been outstanding recently (and we have cover in Calderon and Chicksen. We need to decide whether Dunk will be our reserve centre back. if not someone to replace El-Abd would be sensible.

It may be that we could get someone from a lower division like Sam Baldock of Bristol City - and I am surprised that we didn't do a deal in the El-Abd departure. There are some quality players in the lower divisions who could do a good job for us at a reasonable price.

It's not the time to panic
We don't want to pay inflated January prices. To pay what I consider is an inflated price of £2.5m for Joe Mason is a big gamble, so I would stick with what we've got - and with Buckley, Lua Lua and Orlandi who can all score goals (as can David) as well as Obika who also is quite capable of hitting the net, then we don't need to squander good money on panic buys. Clearly we are more vulnerable having lost Barnes, El-Abs, Crofts and to all intents and purposes Bridcutt. What team wouldn't miss 4 players of their quality. Now is the time to give Jake and Solly more "outings, and get Agustien more into the picture. He was outstanding against Barnsley, and showed great creativity. Bruno, Ward have been outstanding recently (and we have cover in Calderon and Chicksen. We need to decide whether Dunk will be our reserve centre back. if not someone to replace El-Abd would be sensible. It may be that we could get someone from a lower division like Sam Baldock of Bristol City - and I am surprised that we didn't do a deal in the El-Abd departure. There are some quality players in the lower divisions who could do a good job for us at a reasonable price. It's not the time to panic Vince

6:51pm Mon 20 Jan 14

fairweathersupporter says...

WestStander17 wrote:
fairweathersupporter wrote:
WestStander17 wrote:
Neville wrote:
Hi Westander
Conway is the only winger who looks up before crossing and normally delivers a fast pacey cross,the others do not.
I agree Conway's crossing is better than Buckley and Lua Lua's. Hasn't Ulloa said he prefers a more floated cross though?
Conway is also better at playing in a slightly narrower front three/ Midfield and cutting in. Lua Lua has worked at that side of his game in the last year but Buckley (when fit) has really annoyed me with his inability to be more effective further in field. Particularly since he is probably the most naturally talented. So in short, Conway gives us a few more options, rather than just 'another wingman'.
Yes, fair point. But, does he add enough to spend money on him right now? I don't think so. Plus, we have Orlandi and Dave who probably prefer to play more centrally and I don't think Conway is any better than either of them.
Hopefully he wouldn't cost that much. His contract is, i believe, up in the summer. I also like Spanish Dave and Orlandi but Conway tends to be played further forward, Dave has not looked comfortable at times and naturally wanders in field, Orlandi is class (if a little frail) but is often injured. Anyway, more pressing (quite literally with the absence of Crofts, step up Agustein??? Okay maybe not) issues in the centre and up front, so an addition as opposed to a necessity.
[quote][p][bold]WestStander17[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fairweathersupporter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WestStander17[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Neville[/bold] wrote: Hi Westander Conway is the only winger who looks up before crossing and normally delivers a fast pacey cross,the others do not.[/p][/quote]I agree Conway's crossing is better than Buckley and Lua Lua's. Hasn't Ulloa said he prefers a more floated cross though?[/p][/quote]Conway is also better at playing in a slightly narrower front three/ Midfield and cutting in. Lua Lua has worked at that side of his game in the last year but Buckley (when fit) has really annoyed me with his inability to be more effective further in field. Particularly since he is probably the most naturally talented. So in short, Conway gives us a few more options, rather than just 'another wingman'.[/p][/quote]Yes, fair point. But, does he add enough to spend money on him right now? I don't think so. Plus, we have Orlandi and Dave who probably prefer to play more centrally and I don't think Conway is any better than either of them.[/p][/quote]Hopefully he wouldn't cost that much. His contract is, i believe, up in the summer. I also like Spanish Dave and Orlandi but Conway tends to be played further forward, Dave has not looked comfortable at times and naturally wanders in field, Orlandi is class (if a little frail) but is often injured. Anyway, more pressing (quite literally with the absence of Crofts, step up Agustein??? Okay maybe not) issues in the centre and up front, so an addition as opposed to a necessity. fairweathersupporter

6:52pm Mon 20 Jan 14

championshipgull says...

Our ambitions may end up being gauged by who we keep rather than who comes in and I am expecting most of the activity to come in the last few days of the window, brinkmanship playing no small part in it (sorry Vegas) .
I’m sure we are not going to wait for it but getting through to the next round in the cup and drawing a big club could encourage the board to put a few more bucks in the transfer budget as well.
One other point, I have taken offence at Andy Naylor’s insinuation above that by being a “longer-serving” supporter I am somehow more “Level-headed”. Nothing can be further from the truth.
Our ambitions may end up being gauged by who we keep rather than who comes in and I am expecting most of the activity to come in the last few days of the window, brinkmanship playing no small part in it (sorry Vegas) . I’m sure we are not going to wait for it but getting through to the next round in the cup and drawing a big club could encourage the board to put a few more bucks in the transfer budget as well. One other point, I have taken offence at Andy Naylor’s insinuation above that by being a “longer-serving” supporter I am somehow more “Level-headed”. Nothing can be further from the truth. championshipgull

6:58pm Mon 20 Jan 14

ballantrrae says...

fratsomrover wrote:
I probably agree with Naylor here that this is a crossroads period. We have two weeks to either show our intent of consolidating our challenge for a top 6 spot or we dont. We need to buy some good players capable of mounting a challenge or we will slip away. Scoring goals is very definitely our problem. He can retain possession, we can defend okay, but we cant create or finish enough chances to enable us to score more goals a game.
It's not rocket science. Teams with the ability to score more goals than anyone else get promoted, and we are way short. We flattered to deceive a few weeks back when we beat Leicester, but now find ourselves 18 points behind them.
If we fail to get a win either at Burnley or Watford, then I guess it will be curtains and if we exit the FA Cup to lowly Port Vale as well, then our season will be over.
We need to invest this week in players capable of mounting that challenge, otherwise our early season optimism will be dead and buried.
Fratsomrover your post expresses a number of the points I would have made if you hadn't beaten me to it.
I still think we can make the play-offs if Burke & Co deliver what Oscar needs. I would like to think that Burke will always have a wish list of several players for each position. So having missed out on Grabban and with Mason being too expensive for a relatively unproven striker (£2.5 Mill seems slightly over the top) he should have 3 or 4 other possibilities in mind. So Burke and his team have 11 days to show us what their capabilities are.
This season might not deliver what we all hope for ie getting to the promised land but I can see some positives already. Firstly we have a Manager/Head coach who has the team playing some excellent controlled football. Secondly a number of good young players are featuring on a regular basis for the squad notably Ince, JFC, and March to which list I think one can now add Chicksen. These players represent the club's future.
The one glaring weakness is the lack of goals and that is the area that most needs addressing over the next 11 days. So our priorities I feel are
* A Striker to replace Barnes but hopefully a more consistent finisher.
* A Creative attacking midfielder who can deliver a 'killer' pass in place of the injured Crofts.
* Craig Conway brought back even if only on Loan for the rest of the season. I don't think it was just coincidence that our most eye catching result was the victory over Leicester towards the end of his Loan in December.
* To that list I would add another CB now that El-Abd has left. Someone young with pace.
I hope we are successful in signing such players but suspect we will be disappointed. Certainly the current situation puts Burke and his team firmly in the spot light..
The one major imponderable is the Bridcutt situation. This clearly needs to be resolved this week. Either he goes to Sunderland with Sunderland paying a sensible price or we tell Bridcutt (as we did Elliot Bennett 3 seasons ago) that he should stay to the end of the season and he can leave in the Summer.
As many posters have already said the next few days will give us a clear indication what the club's strategy is.
Interesting and informative times.
[quote][p][bold]fratsomrover[/bold] wrote: I probably agree with Naylor here that this is a crossroads period. We have two weeks to either show our intent of consolidating our challenge for a top 6 spot or we dont. We need to buy some good players capable of mounting a challenge or we will slip away. Scoring goals is very definitely our problem. He can retain possession, we can defend okay, but we cant create or finish enough chances to enable us to score more goals a game. It's not rocket science. Teams with the ability to score more goals than anyone else get promoted, and we are way short. We flattered to deceive a few weeks back when we beat Leicester, but now find ourselves 18 points behind them. If we fail to get a win either at Burnley or Watford, then I guess it will be curtains and if we exit the FA Cup to lowly Port Vale as well, then our season will be over. We need to invest this week in players capable of mounting that challenge, otherwise our early season optimism will be dead and buried.[/p][/quote]Fratsomrover your post expresses a number of the points I would have made if you hadn't beaten me to it. I still think we can make the play-offs if Burke & Co deliver what Oscar needs. I would like to think that Burke will always have a wish list of several players for each position. So having missed out on Grabban and with Mason being too expensive for a relatively unproven striker (£2.5 Mill seems slightly over the top) he should have 3 or 4 other possibilities in mind. So Burke and his team have 11 days to show us what their capabilities are. This season might not deliver what we all hope for ie getting to the promised land but I can see some positives already. Firstly we have a Manager/Head coach who has the team playing some excellent controlled football. Secondly a number of good young players are featuring on a regular basis for the squad notably Ince, JFC, and March to which list I think one can now add Chicksen. These players represent the club's future. The one glaring weakness is the lack of goals and that is the area that most needs addressing over the next 11 days. So our priorities I feel are * A Striker to replace Barnes but hopefully a more consistent finisher. * A Creative attacking midfielder who can deliver a 'killer' pass in place of the injured Crofts. * Craig Conway brought back even if only on Loan for the rest of the season. I don't think it was just coincidence that our most eye catching result was the victory over Leicester towards the end of his Loan in December. * To that list I would add another CB now that El-Abd has left. Someone young with pace. I hope we are successful in signing such players but suspect we will be disappointed. Certainly the current situation puts Burke and his team firmly in the spot light.. The one major imponderable is the Bridcutt situation. This clearly needs to be resolved this week. Either he goes to Sunderland with Sunderland paying a sensible price or we tell Bridcutt (as we did Elliot Bennett 3 seasons ago) that he should stay to the end of the season and he can leave in the Summer. As many posters have already said the next few days will give us a clear indication what the club's strategy is. Interesting and informative times. ballantrrae

7:05pm Mon 20 Jan 14

Vince says...

Further to my last post, if we can get Conway back on loan, his crosses would be invaluable for Ulloa. Orlandi is also a great crosser and his contributions will become increasingly valuable.

The worry is that if Oscar continues to set us up defensively, and Ulloa gets starved of service, then he will get restless, and come the end of the season will want to move on. If that happens, all our momentum for the Premiership will start to crumble, and our best players will increasingly want away.

So I say, lets get playing more positively, like we did when we went 1-0 down to Derby - and go hard for the play-off place and promotion via the play-offs. This is essential to keep our best players like Ulloa, Buckley, Orlandi, Ince and Lua Lua and to use the quality of players like Upson, Bruno and Kuszac while we still have them. These players are Premiership quality and with a few more additions from the premiership money from promotion we should be good enough to be where Hull City are in mid-table.
Further to my last post, if we can get Conway back on loan, his crosses would be invaluable for Ulloa. Orlandi is also a great crosser and his contributions will become increasingly valuable. The worry is that if Oscar continues to set us up defensively, and Ulloa gets starved of service, then he will get restless, and come the end of the season will want to move on. If that happens, all our momentum for the Premiership will start to crumble, and our best players will increasingly want away. So I say, lets get playing more positively, like we did when we went 1-0 down to Derby - and go hard for the play-off place and promotion via the play-offs. This is essential to keep our best players like Ulloa, Buckley, Orlandi, Ince and Lua Lua and to use the quality of players like Upson, Bruno and Kuszac while we still have them. These players are Premiership quality and with a few more additions from the premiership money from promotion we should be good enough to be where Hull City are in mid-table. Vince

7:13pm Mon 20 Jan 14

VegasSeagull says...

Baldseagull, I will clarify.

I say two players in by midnight, my time, this coming Sunday, my time because of not I will be sleeping thru 6 or 7 hours of your time and I couldn't possibly post comments.
Both players will be deemed as senior players.
The length of their time with us, if loanees, makes no difference to the bet.
I will not post any comment for a period of 24 hours if I am wrong.
You will support all of my comments for 24 hours no matter what I write.
The 24 hour period will cover out match following the Sunday dead line.

Agreed, do we have a bet?
Baldseagull, I will clarify. I say two players in by midnight, my time, this coming Sunday, my time because of not I will be sleeping thru 6 or 7 hours of your time and I couldn't possibly post comments. Both players will be deemed as senior players. The length of their time with us, if loanees, makes no difference to the bet. I will not post any comment for a period of 24 hours if I am wrong. You will support all of my comments for 24 hours no matter what I write. The 24 hour period will cover out match following the Sunday dead line. Agreed, do we have a bet? VegasSeagull

7:17pm Mon 20 Jan 14

Vince says...

ColinPep1 wrote:
To stay in with a hope of the play-offs we need to spend. 3 signings are vital. A striker, a central midfielder and a centre-half. It would also be good to add Craig Conway. If we have to sell Bridcutt to make sure we can bring 4 players in, then it'd be worth it. Wouldn't it be great if we then went up through the play-offs and the impatient Bridcutt got relegated with Sunderland?!
I can see us holding out on Bridcutt until the final day of the transfer window. If a deal is then done - we will have only a few hours to buy in any more players. Gus knows that - so he will keep us waiting until the last minute. So we need to have deals in place BEFORE we sell Bridcutt, so that the paperwork can be completed as soon as Poyet has agreed to pay us £3-4m.
[quote][p][bold]ColinPep1[/bold] wrote: To stay in with a hope of the play-offs we need to spend. 3 signings are vital. A striker, a central midfielder and a centre-half. It would also be good to add Craig Conway. If we have to sell Bridcutt to make sure we can bring 4 players in, then it'd be worth it. Wouldn't it be great if we then went up through the play-offs and the impatient Bridcutt got relegated with Sunderland?![/p][/quote]I can see us holding out on Bridcutt until the final day of the transfer window. If a deal is then done - we will have only a few hours to buy in any more players. Gus knows that - so he will keep us waiting until the last minute. So we need to have deals in place BEFORE we sell Bridcutt, so that the paperwork can be completed as soon as Poyet has agreed to pay us £3-4m. Vince

7:24pm Mon 20 Jan 14

VegasSeagull says...

Vince wrote:
ColinPep1 wrote:
To stay in with a hope of the play-offs we need to spend. 3 signings are vital. A striker, a central midfielder and a centre-half. It would also be good to add Craig Conway. If we have to sell Bridcutt to make sure we can bring 4 players in, then it'd be worth it. Wouldn't it be great if we then went up through the play-offs and the impatient Bridcutt got relegated with Sunderland?!
I can see us holding out on Bridcutt until the final day of the transfer window. If a deal is then done - we will have only a few hours to buy in any more players. Gus knows that - so he will keep us waiting until the last minute. So we need to have deals in place BEFORE we sell Bridcutt, so that the paperwork can be completed as soon as Poyet has agreed to pay us £3-4m.
That could happen but I don't think that it will make any difference to who we may or may not sign. We need players to come in during the next few days, with a little luck maybe one of them won't be cup tied. Get a couple this week and have them train with the squad before our next league match, every minute of bedding in time helps. Two before the end of this week and maybe one nearer the close of the window, all that even of Bridcutt doesn't go. The priority is to fill our vacancies and not selling Bridcutt, if he goes he goes, but that doesn't reduce our needs, or add to them.
[quote][p][bold]Vince[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ColinPep1[/bold] wrote: To stay in with a hope of the play-offs we need to spend. 3 signings are vital. A striker, a central midfielder and a centre-half. It would also be good to add Craig Conway. If we have to sell Bridcutt to make sure we can bring 4 players in, then it'd be worth it. Wouldn't it be great if we then went up through the play-offs and the impatient Bridcutt got relegated with Sunderland?![/p][/quote]I can see us holding out on Bridcutt until the final day of the transfer window. If a deal is then done - we will have only a few hours to buy in any more players. Gus knows that - so he will keep us waiting until the last minute. So we need to have deals in place BEFORE we sell Bridcutt, so that the paperwork can be completed as soon as Poyet has agreed to pay us £3-4m.[/p][/quote]That could happen but I don't think that it will make any difference to who we may or may not sign. We need players to come in during the next few days, with a little luck maybe one of them won't be cup tied. Get a couple this week and have them train with the squad before our next league match, every minute of bedding in time helps. Two before the end of this week and maybe one nearer the close of the window, all that even of Bridcutt doesn't go. The priority is to fill our vacancies and not selling Bridcutt, if he goes he goes, but that doesn't reduce our needs, or add to them. VegasSeagull

7:44pm Mon 20 Jan 14

ringtone says...

Alan G Skinner wrote:
We have one of the finest Stadiums in the country, in five months we will have one of the finest youth academies and first team training ground anywhere in the world. We are top ten in the country in terms of season ticket sales and have the best support outside the Premier League, with better support than a number of established Premier League Clubs. We have a Chairman who has Brighton in his soul and has put his money where his mouth is. We have a board who are running the club correctly and ensuring long term progress and self sustenance. We are playing by the rules in terms of FFP, which will benefit us in the long term and possibly medium term if the FA/FL through with there threats of fines, point deductions and transfer embargo. Everybody knows there are a good number of teams in this division who are clearly and unashamedly flouting the rules set out by the FL and they should be punished for it. With Brighton's infrastructure, unwavering support, passion and footballing ethos, whether it be this Season or next, there is only one way this club is going and that is to the Premier League, it is our destiny, it is inevitable.
Mr Barber could not have put it better himself.

is alan g skinner an anagram of paul barber?
[quote][p][bold]Alan G Skinner[/bold] wrote: We have one of the finest Stadiums in the country, in five months we will have one of the finest youth academies and first team training ground anywhere in the world. We are top ten in the country in terms of season ticket sales and have the best support outside the Premier League, with better support than a number of established Premier League Clubs. We have a Chairman who has Brighton in his soul and has put his money where his mouth is. We have a board who are running the club correctly and ensuring long term progress and self sustenance. We are playing by the rules in terms of FFP, which will benefit us in the long term and possibly medium term if the FA/FL through with there threats of fines, point deductions and transfer embargo. Everybody knows there are a good number of teams in this division who are clearly and unashamedly flouting the rules set out by the FL and they should be punished for it. With Brighton's infrastructure, unwavering support, passion and footballing ethos, whether it be this Season or next, there is only one way this club is going and that is to the Premier League, it is our destiny, it is inevitable.[/p][/quote]Mr Barber could not have put it better himself. is alan g skinner an anagram of paul barber? ringtone

7:44pm Mon 20 Jan 14

kjohnson says...

Sunderland has made two defender loan signings in the past few days so is Bridcut still on Poyet's list? For a PL club who has recently been reported in the press to not have that much cash and the threat of relegation being a possibility are loan signings more prudent? Leaves us with an unsettled player who would always be on the team sheet and two weeks to go. Hmm!

http://www.bbc.com/s
port/0/football/2581
7514
Sunderland has made two defender loan signings in the past few days so is Bridcut still on Poyet's list? For a PL club who has recently been reported in the press to not have that much cash and the threat of relegation being a possibility are loan signings more prudent? Leaves us with an unsettled player who would always be on the team sheet and two weeks to go. Hmm! http://www.bbc.com/s port/0/football/2581 7514 kjohnson

7:45pm Mon 20 Jan 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

pjwilk wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
tug509 wrote:
I`m a big fan of Barry Fry ,and last season there was a piece on DoF`s ,on Sky News ,in which he clearly stated that 99% of managers, do not like or want to work with one ,he added that Peterborough were one of the few exceptions ,due to the excellent comunications between himself and Darren Ferguson ,he also pointed out that it was the manager who had the first and last say on new players. We do not seem to have a similar set-up ,so i`m guessing we fall into the dreaded 99% .
Managers may not like working with a DOF but we don't have a manager, we have a Head Coach who has only ever operated under a DOF.
So we have a head coach not a manager and all his job is is to make sure players are fit and pick the team.All the buying and selling along with finance is the job of D.O.F. even though he knows nothing of the quality of players its just how much we can get for ours and how cheap(especially regarding wages)we can buy a make do fill in player thats not up to Championship quality let alone Premiership.
Why do you think Burke knows nothing about the quality of players? I'd bet my mortgage that he knows far more than anyone who posts on this website.

And we seem to be doing rather well considering our players aren't apparently up to this level of football.

Oh, and OG is not responsible for making sure the players are fit, that is the responsibility of the doctor and physio. The Head Coach coaches... the clue is in his job title.
[quote][p][bold]pjwilk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: I`m a big fan of Barry Fry ,and last season there was a piece on DoF`s ,on Sky News ,in which he clearly stated that 99% of managers, do not like or want to work with one ,he added that Peterborough were one of the few exceptions ,due to the excellent comunications between himself and Darren Ferguson ,he also pointed out that it was the manager who had the first and last say on new players. We do not seem to have a similar set-up ,so i`m guessing we fall into the dreaded 99% .[/p][/quote]Managers may not like working with a DOF but we don't have a manager, we have a Head Coach who has only ever operated under a DOF.[/p][/quote]So we have a head coach not a manager and all his job is is to make sure players are fit and pick the team.All the buying and selling along with finance is the job of D.O.F. even though he knows nothing of the quality of players its just how much we can get for ours and how cheap(especially regarding wages)we can buy a make do fill in player thats not up to Championship quality let alone Premiership.[/p][/quote]Why do you think Burke knows nothing about the quality of players? I'd bet my mortgage that he knows far more than anyone who posts on this website. And we seem to be doing rather well considering our players aren't apparently up to this level of football. Oh, and OG is not responsible for making sure the players are fit, that is the responsibility of the doctor and physio. The Head Coach coaches... the clue is in his job title. Ex-pat Arnie

7:55pm Mon 20 Jan 14

ringtone says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
pjwilk wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
tug509 wrote:
I`m a big fan of Barry Fry ,and last season there was a piece on DoF`s ,on Sky News ,in which he clearly stated that 99% of managers, do not like or want to work with one ,he added that Peterborough were one of the few exceptions ,due to the excellent comunications between himself and Darren Ferguson ,he also pointed out that it was the manager who had the first and last say on new players. We do not seem to have a similar set-up ,so i`m guessing we fall into the dreaded 99% .
Managers may not like working with a DOF but we don't have a manager, we have a Head Coach who has only ever operated under a DOF.
So we have a head coach not a manager and all his job is is to make sure players are fit and pick the team.All the buying and selling along with finance is the job of D.O.F. even though he knows nothing of the quality of players its just how much we can get for ours and how cheap(especially regarding wages)we can buy a make do fill in player thats not up to Championship quality let alone Premiership.
Why do you think Burke knows nothing about the quality of players? I'd bet my mortgage that he knows far more than anyone who posts on this website.

And we seem to be doing rather well considering our players aren't apparently up to this level of football.

Oh, and OG is not responsible for making sure the players are fit, that is the responsibility of the doctor and physio. The Head Coach coaches... the clue is in his job title.
I hope he does, but thats not saying much.

The problem with this set up is if Burke and oscar are not singing from the same hymn sheet.

As i see it Oscar is a very average coach so far and burke is a nobody unless someone can enlighten us on his credentials.
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pjwilk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: I`m a big fan of Barry Fry ,and last season there was a piece on DoF`s ,on Sky News ,in which he clearly stated that 99% of managers, do not like or want to work with one ,he added that Peterborough were one of the few exceptions ,due to the excellent comunications between himself and Darren Ferguson ,he also pointed out that it was the manager who had the first and last say on new players. We do not seem to have a similar set-up ,so i`m guessing we fall into the dreaded 99% .[/p][/quote]Managers may not like working with a DOF but we don't have a manager, we have a Head Coach who has only ever operated under a DOF.[/p][/quote]So we have a head coach not a manager and all his job is is to make sure players are fit and pick the team.All the buying and selling along with finance is the job of D.O.F. even though he knows nothing of the quality of players its just how much we can get for ours and how cheap(especially regarding wages)we can buy a make do fill in player thats not up to Championship quality let alone Premiership.[/p][/quote]Why do you think Burke knows nothing about the quality of players? I'd bet my mortgage that he knows far more than anyone who posts on this website. And we seem to be doing rather well considering our players aren't apparently up to this level of football. Oh, and OG is not responsible for making sure the players are fit, that is the responsibility of the doctor and physio. The Head Coach coaches... the clue is in his job title.[/p][/quote]I hope he does, but thats not saying much. The problem with this set up is if Burke and oscar are not singing from the same hymn sheet. As i see it Oscar is a very average coach so far and burke is a nobody unless someone can enlighten us on his credentials. ringtone

8:05pm Mon 20 Jan 14

ringtone says...

It makes me sick that we employed this nobody burke to acquire players and this forced Gus out.

Maybe bloom ego was threatened a little by the main man Gus.
It makes me sick that we employed this nobody burke to acquire players and this forced Gus out. Maybe bloom ego was threatened a little by the main man Gus. ringtone

8:07pm Mon 20 Jan 14

VegasSeagull says...

ringtone wrote:
It makes me sick that we employed this nobody burke to acquire players and this forced Gus out.

Maybe bloom ego was threatened a little by the main man Gus.
I see that you are looking to give the pot a good stir today Mr. Ringtone.
[quote][p][bold]ringtone[/bold] wrote: It makes me sick that we employed this nobody burke to acquire players and this forced Gus out. Maybe bloom ego was threatened a little by the main man Gus.[/p][/quote]I see that you are looking to give the pot a good stir today Mr. Ringtone. VegasSeagull

8:07pm Mon 20 Jan 14

kwaidam says...

Criticise Burke/Barber and you will get nothing but thumbs downs. Say what a fantastic job they are doing and watch the thumbs-ups come in. Have the club got a secret team of posters on here with clicks at the ready? It wouldn't surprise me if Burke was reading these posts, after all he should be because it appears he knows nothing about finding players... director of football operations? and he wanted to splash £1.1m on Grabban.... says it all. Go on Mr Burke, click the thumbs-down. I'm waiting.
Criticise Burke/Barber and you will get nothing but thumbs downs. Say what a fantastic job they are doing and watch the thumbs-ups come in. Have the club got a secret team of posters on here with clicks at the ready? It wouldn't surprise me if Burke was reading these posts, after all he should be because it appears he knows nothing about finding players... director of football operations? and he wanted to splash £1.1m on Grabban.... says it all. Go on Mr Burke, click the thumbs-down. I'm waiting. kwaidam

8:13pm Mon 20 Jan 14

ringtone says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
ringtone wrote:
It makes me sick that we employed this nobody burke to acquire players and this forced Gus out.

Maybe bloom ego was threatened a little by the main man Gus.
I see that you are looking to give the pot a good stir today Mr. Ringtone.
Hello Vegas.

I just dont like this set up in football that is so fashionable.

I suppose we have to blame George Graham and the alleged kick backs..

Surely the manager/coach gets the players he wants.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ringtone[/bold] wrote: It makes me sick that we employed this nobody burke to acquire players and this forced Gus out. Maybe bloom ego was threatened a little by the main man Gus.[/p][/quote]I see that you are looking to give the pot a good stir today Mr. Ringtone.[/p][/quote]Hello Vegas. I just dont like this set up in football that is so fashionable. I suppose we have to blame George Graham and the alleged kick backs.. Surely the manager/coach gets the players he wants. ringtone

8:18pm Mon 20 Jan 14

Chi Gull says...

From my memory managers have never been that good at conducting transfer business. e.g. Harry Redknap has left a trail of financial chaos behind him, whilst at the same time lining his own pockets. When Tottenham wouldn't let him do the same there, he resigned. I have no problem in OG being less involved in the process, but as others have pointed out, Burke, OG and NJ do need to be working as a team to get new players in. I am sure they are, but we are apprehensive because we simply don't know how it is working. What we do know is it didn't work with Gus!

We do need one or two attacking midfielders in my view (or deeper lying attackers). We do not have anyone like that at the moment. Someone like Henri Lansbury or George Boyd. I know we can't sign them, but players of that type. I wouldn't mind playing 4-5-1 if we had more attacking ooomph in midfield.

Interestingly Hull and Cardiff had nobody who scored more than 10 goals in their automatic promotion winning squads - so you don't need a high scoring 20+ goals a season forward to be successful. What you need is all round goal scoring threat. We are a little short of that at the moment.
From my memory managers have never been that good at conducting transfer business. e.g. Harry Redknap has left a trail of financial chaos behind him, whilst at the same time lining his own pockets. When Tottenham wouldn't let him do the same there, he resigned. I have no problem in OG being less involved in the process, but as others have pointed out, Burke, OG and NJ do need to be working as a team to get new players in. I am sure they are, but we are apprehensive because we simply don't know how it is working. What we do know is it didn't work with Gus! We do need one or two attacking midfielders in my view (or deeper lying attackers). We do not have anyone like that at the moment. Someone like Henri Lansbury or George Boyd. I know we can't sign them, but players of that type. I wouldn't mind playing 4-5-1 if we had more attacking ooomph in midfield. Interestingly Hull and Cardiff had nobody who scored more than 10 goals in their automatic promotion winning squads - so you don't need a high scoring 20+ goals a season forward to be successful. What you need is all round goal scoring threat. We are a little short of that at the moment. Chi Gull

8:18pm Mon 20 Jan 14

fairweathersupporter says...

kwaidam wrote:
Criticise Burke/Barber and you will get nothing but thumbs downs. Say what a fantastic job they are doing and watch the thumbs-ups come in. Have the club got a secret team of posters on here with clicks at the ready? It wouldn't surprise me if Burke was reading these posts, after all he should be because it appears he knows nothing about finding players... director of football operations? and he wanted to splash £1.1m on Grabban.... says it all. Go on Mr Burke, click the thumbs-down. I'm waiting.
I see the debate has ended...
Everyone is entitled to their opinion, it seems. Apparently all the recent flooding had something to do with Gay marriage and Bloom, Burke and co are clueless. Fancy a bite my dear WUM's....
[quote][p][bold]kwaidam[/bold] wrote: Criticise Burke/Barber and you will get nothing but thumbs downs. Say what a fantastic job they are doing and watch the thumbs-ups come in. Have the club got a secret team of posters on here with clicks at the ready? It wouldn't surprise me if Burke was reading these posts, after all he should be because it appears he knows nothing about finding players... director of football operations? and he wanted to splash £1.1m on Grabban.... says it all. Go on Mr Burke, click the thumbs-down. I'm waiting.[/p][/quote]I see the debate has ended... Everyone is entitled to their opinion, it seems. Apparently all the recent flooding had something to do with Gay marriage and Bloom, Burke and co are clueless. Fancy a bite my dear WUM's.... fairweathersupporter

8:23pm Mon 20 Jan 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
ringtone wrote:
It makes me sick that we employed this nobody burke to acquire players and this forced Gus out.

Maybe bloom ego was threatened a little by the main man Gus.
I see that you are looking to give the pot a good stir today Mr. Ringtone.
Yeah, but it was still a poor effort.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ringtone[/bold] wrote: It makes me sick that we employed this nobody burke to acquire players and this forced Gus out. Maybe bloom ego was threatened a little by the main man Gus.[/p][/quote]I see that you are looking to give the pot a good stir today Mr. Ringtone.[/p][/quote]Yeah, but it was still a poor effort. Ex-pat Arnie

8:25pm Mon 20 Jan 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

kwaidam wrote:
Criticise Burke/Barber and you will get nothing but thumbs downs. Say what a fantastic job they are doing and watch the thumbs-ups come in. Have the club got a secret team of posters on here with clicks at the ready? It wouldn't surprise me if Burke was reading these posts, after all he should be because it appears he knows nothing about finding players... director of football operations? and he wanted to splash £1.1m on Grabban.... says it all. Go on Mr Burke, click the thumbs-down. I'm waiting.
Grow up, maybe? It COULD be because more people think Burke and Barber are doing a good job that the few moaning minnies who want to have something to complain about. The clicks are representative of the feelings of the masses.

I've never seen a post with 100+ thumbs up so Alan G Skinner must have really tapped into what people were thinking.
[quote][p][bold]kwaidam[/bold] wrote: Criticise Burke/Barber and you will get nothing but thumbs downs. Say what a fantastic job they are doing and watch the thumbs-ups come in. Have the club got a secret team of posters on here with clicks at the ready? It wouldn't surprise me if Burke was reading these posts, after all he should be because it appears he knows nothing about finding players... director of football operations? and he wanted to splash £1.1m on Grabban.... says it all. Go on Mr Burke, click the thumbs-down. I'm waiting.[/p][/quote]Grow up, maybe? It COULD be because more people think Burke and Barber are doing a good job that the few moaning minnies who want to have something to complain about. The clicks are representative of the feelings of the masses. I've never seen a post with 100+ thumbs up so Alan G Skinner must have really tapped into what people were thinking. Ex-pat Arnie

8:36pm Mon 20 Jan 14

ringtone says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
kwaidam wrote:
Criticise Burke/Barber and you will get nothing but thumbs downs. Say what a fantastic job they are doing and watch the thumbs-ups come in. Have the club got a secret team of posters on here with clicks at the ready? It wouldn't surprise me if Burke was reading these posts, after all he should be because it appears he knows nothing about finding players... director of football operations? and he wanted to splash £1.1m on Grabban.... says it all. Go on Mr Burke, click the thumbs-down. I'm waiting.
Grow up, maybe? It COULD be because more people think Burke and Barber are doing a good job that the few moaning minnies who want to have something to complain about. The clicks are representative of the feelings of the masses.

I've never seen a post with 100+ thumbs up so Alan G Skinner must have really tapped into what people were thinking.
Alan G Skinner is a stalking horse and tony bloom is the jockey..

Well they lost the Derby (county) so maybe they will win the shaun ST. ledger
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kwaidam[/bold] wrote: Criticise Burke/Barber and you will get nothing but thumbs downs. Say what a fantastic job they are doing and watch the thumbs-ups come in. Have the club got a secret team of posters on here with clicks at the ready? It wouldn't surprise me if Burke was reading these posts, after all he should be because it appears he knows nothing about finding players... director of football operations? and he wanted to splash £1.1m on Grabban.... says it all. Go on Mr Burke, click the thumbs-down. I'm waiting.[/p][/quote]Grow up, maybe? It COULD be because more people think Burke and Barber are doing a good job that the few moaning minnies who want to have something to complain about. The clicks are representative of the feelings of the masses. I've never seen a post with 100+ thumbs up so Alan G Skinner must have really tapped into what people were thinking.[/p][/quote]Alan G Skinner is a stalking horse and tony bloom is the jockey.. Well they lost the Derby (county) so maybe they will win the shaun ST. ledger ringtone

8:36pm Mon 20 Jan 14

Joel'sGrandad says...

Just watching Hayley about to pop her clogs in Corrie.
Now that's REAL drama!!
UTA
Just watching Hayley about to pop her clogs in Corrie. Now that's REAL drama!! UTA Joel'sGrandad

9:13pm Mon 20 Jan 14

Mancgulled says...

The team is a good team but needs more time to acquire the finishing touches ie: a striker. I don't think Albion should sign someone just because they can! If they get money from selling Bridders and/or Bucka then maybe they should bank it until someone of the right quality comes along - just wait until all those teams that are queuing up to fall fowl of the FFP rules have to offload players in a hurry next season. The fans have to be patient - just turn up keep the faith its working! Might not feel like it but it is - 26000+ every home game allied with money from players lost will eventually yield options - and not just ones like Grabban. Do you really have to see them go up this year? Don't get me wrong it'd be great but they would get thumped more often than not - look at Palace -- sooooo hard to get those 20 points! Be so much nicer to go up with a team with surprisingly capable players that manage to fly under the radar of PL poachers like Swansea did! Just a matter of time and better striker options - all this might prove academic when CMS gets back! Thing is - Brighton are doing it without even realising -- the fans are turning up come what may and that will be the making of them!
The team is a good team but needs more time to acquire the finishing touches ie: a striker. I don't think Albion should sign someone just because they can! If they get money from selling Bridders and/or Bucka then maybe they should bank it until someone of the right quality comes along - just wait until all those teams that are queuing up to fall fowl of the FFP rules have to offload players in a hurry next season. The fans have to be patient - just turn up keep the faith its working! Might not feel like it but it is - 26000+ every home game allied with money from players lost will eventually yield options - and not just ones like Grabban. Do you really have to see them go up this year? Don't get me wrong it'd be great but they would get thumped more often than not - look at Palace -- sooooo hard to get those 20 points! Be so much nicer to go up with a team with surprisingly capable players that manage to fly under the radar of PL poachers like Swansea did! Just a matter of time and better striker options - all this might prove academic when CMS gets back! Thing is - Brighton are doing it without even realising -- the fans are turning up come what may and that will be the making of them! Mancgulled

9:28pm Mon 20 Jan 14

seegull fly in sky says...

m. a
m. a seegull fly in sky

9:32pm Mon 20 Jan 14

VegasSeagull says...

Are we all not just guessing as to how much say Oscar has regarding transfers, none of us know. By the same token none of us know just how much money we have in the pot to buy players with. None of know who we are speaking to or if any deals have been done but require other deals to got though first. The truth is, none of us know anything worth knowing, we are all just speculating as to what we think the situation is on all the above matters.

Best to just sit back and watch as things unfold and hope that some of our preferences come to fruition, rather than slag off the people that we think are not doing this or that. By the time this window closes Burke may have negotiated a few fantastic deals, will those that are slagging him off now do the same then.
Are we all not just guessing as to how much say Oscar has regarding transfers, none of us know. By the same token none of us know just how much money we have in the pot to buy players with. None of know who we are speaking to or if any deals have been done but require other deals to got though first. The truth is, none of us know anything worth knowing, we are all just speculating as to what we think the situation is on all the above matters. Best to just sit back and watch as things unfold and hope that some of our preferences come to fruition, rather than slag off the people that we think are not doing this or that. By the time this window closes Burke may have negotiated a few fantastic deals, will those that are slagging him off now do the same then. VegasSeagull

9:40pm Mon 20 Jan 14

To baldly go says...

Perseus wrote:
9/1 for promotion ths season. I wil expect about the same for the start of the next season.

I don't believe in signing players like Mason, Conway, Grabban on permanent deals as they are not good enough.
Ward and Adndrews look like the most important permanent signings right now.
Have you not watched Andrews performances this season! At times he's made Lopez look good!
[quote][p][bold]Perseus[/bold] wrote: 9/1 for promotion ths season. I wil expect about the same for the start of the next season. I don't believe in signing players like Mason, Conway, Grabban on permanent deals as they are not good enough. Ward and Adndrews look like the most important permanent signings right now.[/p][/quote]Have you not watched Andrews performances this season! At times he's made Lopez look good! To baldly go

9:52pm Mon 20 Jan 14

seagulltess says...

Seagulltess Why oh why do we always leave transfers till the last minute. Transfer targets should be ready to pursue as soon as the transfer window opens, then we are up and running. we leave things until it is to late and therefore miss out on the right players. Another gripe of mine is that we did not sign Conway on straight away as he proved that he was just the player we need.
Seagulltess Why oh why do we always leave transfers till the last minute. Transfer targets should be ready to pursue as soon as the transfer window opens, then we are up and running. we leave things until it is to late and therefore miss out on the right players. Another gripe of mine is that we did not sign Conway on straight away as he proved that he was just the player we need. seagulltess

9:54pm Mon 20 Jan 14

searich1983 says...

SecondReserve wrote:
I have said several times - and still believe - that the club appear to have no ambition to get to the Premiership but have decided to settle for us being a decent Championship side, getting very large crowds but avoiding the risks and costs of top flight football.

We are still a selling club (how many other clubs in the top half of the Championship are selling first team players?), the current team do not look good enough to get promoted (how many of our players would REALLY be good enough for the Premiership?) and how often, other than the Leicester match, have we played well recently?

The current top 5 are well ahead of the rest and will probably remain so, which means that there are about 10 teams fighting for the last play-off place. At the moment I can't see us ending up in that sixth place though of course some genuine quality signings in the next two weeks could change that.

But will those signings happen??? Maybe but the players we have brought in since last season have been OK though none of them has been a significant improvement on players we already had (only Ward is a regular first choice and he's no Wayne Bridge). The next ten days COULD be very interesting - they will certainly tell us a great deal about whether the club has any real ambition or not. I'd absolutely love to be proved wrong. We'll see.
At least someone talking sense, thanks SecondReserve!!
To the rest: "don't keep lying to yourself" please
[quote][p][bold]SecondReserve[/bold] wrote: I have said several times - and still believe - that the club appear to have no ambition to get to the Premiership but have decided to settle for us being a decent Championship side, getting very large crowds but avoiding the risks and costs of top flight football. We are still a selling club (how many other clubs in the top half of the Championship are selling first team players?), the current team do not look good enough to get promoted (how many of our players would REALLY be good enough for the Premiership?) and how often, other than the Leicester match, have we played well recently? The current top 5 are well ahead of the rest and will probably remain so, which means that there are about 10 teams fighting for the last play-off place. At the moment I can't see us ending up in that sixth place though of course some genuine quality signings in the next two weeks could change that. But will those signings happen??? Maybe but the players we have brought in since last season have been OK though none of them has been a significant improvement on players we already had (only Ward is a regular first choice and he's no Wayne Bridge). The next ten days COULD be very interesting - they will certainly tell us a great deal about whether the club has any real ambition or not. I'd absolutely love to be proved wrong. We'll see.[/p][/quote]At least someone talking sense, thanks SecondReserve!! To the rest: "don't keep lying to yourself" please searich1983

9:59pm Mon 20 Jan 14

searich1983 says...

Aye Aye wrote:
Alan G Skinner wrote:
We have one of the finest Stadiums in the country, in five months we will have one of the finest youth academies and first team training ground anywhere in the world. We are top ten in the country in terms of season ticket sales and have the best support outside the Premier League, with better support than a number of established Premier League Clubs. We have a Chairman who has Brighton in his soul and has put his money where his mouth is. We have a board who are running the club correctly and ensuring long term progress and self sustenance. We are playing by the rules in terms of FFP, which will benefit us in the long term and possibly medium term if the FA/FL through with there threats of fines, point deductions and transfer embargo. Everybody knows there are a good number of teams in this division who are clearly and unashamedly flouting the rules set out by the FL and they should be punished for it. With Brighton's infrastructure, unwavering support, passion and footballing ethos, whether it be this Season or next, there is only one way this club is going and that is to the Premier League, it is our destiny, it is inevitable.
Brilliant! Very well said AGS.
Brilliant very well said, Premier League next season, come on!!!!!
Or next season,
or next,
or next one,
or next
[quote][p][bold]Aye Aye[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alan G Skinner[/bold] wrote: We have one of the finest Stadiums in the country, in five months we will have one of the finest youth academies and first team training ground anywhere in the world. We are top ten in the country in terms of season ticket sales and have the best support outside the Premier League, with better support than a number of established Premier League Clubs. We have a Chairman who has Brighton in his soul and has put his money where his mouth is. We have a board who are running the club correctly and ensuring long term progress and self sustenance. We are playing by the rules in terms of FFP, which will benefit us in the long term and possibly medium term if the FA/FL through with there threats of fines, point deductions and transfer embargo. Everybody knows there are a good number of teams in this division who are clearly and unashamedly flouting the rules set out by the FL and they should be punished for it. With Brighton's infrastructure, unwavering support, passion and footballing ethos, whether it be this Season or next, there is only one way this club is going and that is to the Premier League, it is our destiny, it is inevitable.[/p][/quote]Brilliant! Very well said AGS.[/p][/quote]Brilliant very well said, Premier League next season, come on!!!!! Or next season, or next, or next one, or next searich1983

10:00pm Mon 20 Jan 14

Bucket feet Duffy says...

Its time the supporters stood up and aske for barber and burke to leave, I have said before and I say again this is why Gus went, there is to much power in Burke and Barbers hands The coach should have the say on who he wants and have the opertunity to persuade a player to play for us, yes Oscr does lack a little on the persuasion front but I hardly see either Burke or Barber filling that void They make Steve Davis look very entertaining indeed, Oscar had Kryfe precuring players when he was with his last club sure have someone else work with Oscar, but we want Morcambe and Wise or the two Ronnies backing him up not a couple of red coats from Butlins, That is where the weekness in our club is in Sweeny todd and his mate the biggest Burke in town Bournemouth can out do us in both keeping a player that we went in half cocked to get at best! or worse outsmarted by his agent sucked in the pair of them. Then the Cherries go and bid for another player on our list, talk about rubbing salt into wounds.
Its time the supporters stood up and aske for barber and burke to leave, I have said before and I say again this is why Gus went, there is to much power in Burke and Barbers hands The coach should have the say on who he wants and have the opertunity to persuade a player to play for us, yes Oscr does lack a little on the persuasion front but I hardly see either Burke or Barber filling that void They make Steve Davis look very entertaining indeed, Oscar had Kryfe precuring players when he was with his last club sure have someone else work with Oscar, but we want Morcambe and Wise or the two Ronnies backing him up not a couple of red coats from Butlins, That is where the weekness in our club is in Sweeny todd and his mate the biggest Burke in town Bournemouth can out do us in both keeping a player that we went in half cocked to get at best! or worse outsmarted by his agent sucked in the pair of them. Then the Cherries go and bid for another player on our list, talk about rubbing salt into wounds. Bucket feet Duffy

10:10pm Mon 20 Jan 14

To baldly go says...

We are now looking at 11 days to get someone in, IF we do, it needs to be a telling player, someone who will make other teams take note, but I don think it will happen to be honest.
Bridcutt will be with us for the rest of the season and his first game back will be at Watford. As others have posted, Sunderland have got in a couple of defenders and will not be back for LB imo, no one else has shown any interest so I think he is ours for the rest of the season.
We have money to spend so spend it wisely if we do!
We have the ability when we have fit players to get an auto spot and that was probably the plan at the beginning of the season, but the way things have gone it's blown that plan out of the water, it's how we react now that will see how our season pans out.
We are still in with a shout of a playoff spot but it will go down to the wire, what ever happens a big rebuild is required in the summer for next season, whatever division we are in, I don't think money will be spent until we know where we are.
Hope I am wrong and we buy and force our way up the table, but I think we are still a couple of seasons away from being ready for the prem imo, a couple of seasons battling for promotion and then when we go up stay there, or get promoted early, struggle to remain in the prem and become a yo yo club, I know what I want for the Albion and good things come to those that wait, so be patient guys! UTA
We are now looking at 11 days to get someone in, IF we do, it needs to be a telling player, someone who will make other teams take note, but I don think it will happen to be honest. Bridcutt will be with us for the rest of the season and his first game back will be at Watford. As others have posted, Sunderland have got in a couple of defenders and will not be back for LB imo, no one else has shown any interest so I think he is ours for the rest of the season. We have money to spend so spend it wisely if we do! We have the ability when we have fit players to get an auto spot and that was probably the plan at the beginning of the season, but the way things have gone it's blown that plan out of the water, it's how we react now that will see how our season pans out. We are still in with a shout of a playoff spot but it will go down to the wire, what ever happens a big rebuild is required in the summer for next season, whatever division we are in, I don't think money will be spent until we know where we are. Hope I am wrong and we buy and force our way up the table, but I think we are still a couple of seasons away from being ready for the prem imo, a couple of seasons battling for promotion and then when we go up stay there, or get promoted early, struggle to remain in the prem and become a yo yo club, I know what I want for the Albion and good things come to those that wait, so be patient guys! UTA To baldly go

10:25pm Mon 20 Jan 14

impose our game gull says...

Who on earth will want to come and play in front of 25,000+ at home each week in one of the world's best state of the art stadiums with a manager who has built his skills with Barcelona and Cruyff, live by the sea in one of the most vibrant cities in Britain with the best climate and really decent chance of promotion? Hold on .... that doesn't sound too bad .... how hard can the powers that be up at The Amex make it for a really decent manager in our third season in our lovely new home have a chance to really make something of this season? The season where by now it was all really due to happen!!!!????

Honestly - it's not a challenging proposition surely

UTA!!
Who on earth will want to come and play in front of 25,000+ at home each week in one of the world's best state of the art stadiums with a manager who has built his skills with Barcelona and Cruyff, live by the sea in one of the most vibrant cities in Britain with the best climate and really decent chance of promotion? Hold on .... that doesn't sound too bad .... how hard can the powers that be up at The Amex make it for a really decent manager in our third season in our lovely new home have a chance to really make something of this season? The season where by now it was all really due to happen!!!!???? Honestly - it's not a challenging proposition surely UTA!! impose our game gull

10:52pm Mon 20 Jan 14

brightonup says...

http://rokerreport.s
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....Comment from Sunderland on Bridcutt saga
http://rokerreport.s bnation.com/2014/1/1 9/5322672/sunderland -transfers-bridcutt? utm_source=rokerrepo rt.sbnation&utm_medi um=nextclicks&utm_ca mpaign=blogs ....Comment from Sunderland on Bridcutt saga brightonup

10:58pm Mon 20 Jan 14

Withdean-er says...

WisdomSpeaks wrote:
One of the things which I feel so disappointed with regarding the loss of AB, AC and A E A, is that all these three, regardless of what anyone thinks about their footballing qualities, were, without doubt three of the strongest characters and personalities in the club. To lose all three (albeit, hopefully we'll have AC back fit for the beginning of next season), is a very big loss which could affect morale. Hopefully the other senior lads will step up to the plate and assume some of those responsibilities. We have enough of them after all.
Excellent post.

Barnes and El Abd were sound Championship players, better than most rigid-thinking critics would ever admit, but just as importantly they both clearly had an affinity with the Albion (were not serial club hoppers) and had bottle in games where it was a bit physical. They both always gave there all.

To allow contracts to diminish like that is fine if it is felt they are replaceable, so long as the well paid Head of Football Operations has a well thought strategy to ensure that AT NO STAGE are we found short in fit squad numbers with experience to cover each position. Looks like he was caught cold this January.
[quote][p][bold]WisdomSpeaks[/bold] wrote: One of the things which I feel so disappointed with regarding the loss of AB, AC and A E A, is that all these three, regardless of what anyone thinks about their footballing qualities, were, without doubt three of the strongest characters and personalities in the club. To lose all three (albeit, hopefully we'll have AC back fit for the beginning of next season), is a very big loss which could affect morale. Hopefully the other senior lads will step up to the plate and assume some of those responsibilities. We have enough of them after all.[/p][/quote]Excellent post. Barnes and El Abd were sound Championship players, better than most rigid-thinking critics would ever admit, but just as importantly they both clearly had an affinity with the Albion (were not serial club hoppers) and had bottle in games where it was a bit physical. They both always gave there all. To allow contracts to diminish like that is fine if it is felt they are replaceable, so long as the well paid Head of Football Operations has a well thought strategy to ensure that AT NO STAGE are we found short in fit squad numbers with experience to cover each position. Looks like he was caught cold this January. Withdean-er

11:29pm Mon 20 Jan 14

OldGull says...

After watching Albion on a downward spiral for 17years followed by 10 years in the struggle for a new ground. I am more than happy with the progress we are making.
Yes it would be good to bring in a couple of signings now, but not just spend inflated prices for the sake of it.
If the right quality is not available then we should wait until the summer. Where I believe the club will bring in players for a concerted effort next year.
For all those banging on about we must spend NOW, I would ask one simple question. Are you genuine supporters who followed the Albion through the difficult times?
I think I know the answer.
After watching Albion on a downward spiral for 17years followed by 10 years in the struggle for a new ground. I am more than happy with the progress we are making. Yes it would be good to bring in a couple of signings now, but not just spend inflated prices for the sake of it. If the right quality is not available then we should wait until the summer. Where I believe the club will bring in players for a concerted effort next year. For all those banging on about we must spend NOW, I would ask one simple question. Are you genuine supporters who followed the Albion through the difficult times? I think I know the answer. OldGull

11:32pm Mon 20 Jan 14

OldGull says...

brightonup wrote:
http://rokerreport.s

bnation.com/2014/1/1

9/5322672/sunderland

-transfers-bridcutt?

utm_source=rokerrepo

rt.sbnation&utm_
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....Comment from Sunderland on Bridcutt saga
Yes they seem to think they will get him.
I say £4m take it or leave it
[quote][p][bold]brightonup[/bold] wrote: http://rokerreport.s bnation.com/2014/1/1 9/5322672/sunderland -transfers-bridcutt? utm_source=rokerrepo rt.sbnation&utm_ medi um=nextclicks&ut m_ca mpaign=blogs ....Comment from Sunderland on Bridcutt saga[/p][/quote]Yes they seem to think they will get him. I say £4m take it or leave it OldGull

11:34pm Mon 20 Jan 14

Hovite says...

Alan G Skinner wrote:
We have one of the finest Stadiums in the country, in five months we will have one of the finest youth academies and first team training ground anywhere in the world. We are top ten in the country in terms of season ticket sales and have the best support outside the Premier League, with better support than a number of established Premier League Clubs. We have a Chairman who has Brighton in his soul and has put his money where his mouth is. We have a board who are running the club correctly and ensuring long term progress and self sustenance. We are playing by the rules in terms of FFP, which will benefit us in the long term and possibly medium term if the FA/FL through with there threats of fines, point deductions and transfer embargo. Everybody knows there are a good number of teams in this division who are clearly and unashamedly flouting the rules set out by the FL and they should be punished for it. With Brighton's infrastructure, unwavering support, passion and footballing ethos, whether it be this Season or next, there is only one way this club is going and that is to the Premier League, it is our destiny, it is inevitable.
117 must be a thumbs up record and really shows that a great majority are in total agreement.
[quote][p][bold]Alan G Skinner[/bold] wrote: We have one of the finest Stadiums in the country, in five months we will have one of the finest youth academies and first team training ground anywhere in the world. We are top ten in the country in terms of season ticket sales and have the best support outside the Premier League, with better support than a number of established Premier League Clubs. We have a Chairman who has Brighton in his soul and has put his money where his mouth is. We have a board who are running the club correctly and ensuring long term progress and self sustenance. We are playing by the rules in terms of FFP, which will benefit us in the long term and possibly medium term if the FA/FL through with there threats of fines, point deductions and transfer embargo. Everybody knows there are a good number of teams in this division who are clearly and unashamedly flouting the rules set out by the FL and they should be punished for it. With Brighton's infrastructure, unwavering support, passion and footballing ethos, whether it be this Season or next, there is only one way this club is going and that is to the Premier League, it is our destiny, it is inevitable.[/p][/quote]117 must be a thumbs up record and really shows that a great majority are in total agreement. Hovite

11:35pm Mon 20 Jan 14

OldGull says...

New Jersey Seagull wrote:
I wholeheartedly agree with the comments by Alan Skinner and others about how far the club come and the preparations for the future with one exception, the problem of players’ wages. Players’ wages are the most significant predictor of a club’s position in the league and BHA has a reputation for frugality in this area. While the club’s ability to “punch above their weight” might be laudable, it also requires an ability to continually find "hidden gems", such as Bridcutt and Ulloa, who are willing to work for less until a better offer comes along. Based on recent signings, it would appear that someone has failed to find these “hidden gems” and that makes one less confident about the club’s approach to this and future transfer windows.
INCE
[quote][p][bold]New Jersey Seagull[/bold] wrote: I wholeheartedly agree with the comments by Alan Skinner and others about how far the club come and the preparations for the future with one exception, the problem of players’ wages. Players’ wages are the most significant predictor of a club’s position in the league and BHA has a reputation for frugality in this area. While the club’s ability to “punch above their weight” might be laudable, it also requires an ability to continually find "hidden gems", such as Bridcutt and Ulloa, who are willing to work for less until a better offer comes along. Based on recent signings, it would appear that someone has failed to find these “hidden gems” and that makes one less confident about the club’s approach to this and future transfer windows.[/p][/quote]INCE OldGull

11:37pm Mon 20 Jan 14

OldGull says...

Alan G Skinner wrote:
We have one of the finest Stadiums in the country, in five months we will have one of the finest youth academies and first team training ground anywhere in the world. We are top ten in the country in terms of season ticket sales and have the best support outside the Premier League, with better support than a number of established Premier League Clubs. We have a Chairman who has Brighton in his soul and has put his money where his mouth is. We have a board who are running the club correctly and ensuring long term progress and self sustenance. We are playing by the rules in terms of FFP, which will benefit us in the long term and possibly medium term if the FA/FL through with there threats of fines, point deductions and transfer embargo. Everybody knows there are a good number of teams in this division who are clearly and unashamedly flouting the rules set out by the FL and they should be punished for it. With Brighton's infrastructure, unwavering support, passion and footballing ethos, whether it be this Season or next, there is only one way this club is going and that is to the Premier League, it is our destiny, it is inevitable.
Thank god for sanity and intelligent comment.
Best posting on this site for a long long time.
[quote][p][bold]Alan G Skinner[/bold] wrote: We have one of the finest Stadiums in the country, in five months we will have one of the finest youth academies and first team training ground anywhere in the world. We are top ten in the country in terms of season ticket sales and have the best support outside the Premier League, with better support than a number of established Premier League Clubs. We have a Chairman who has Brighton in his soul and has put his money where his mouth is. We have a board who are running the club correctly and ensuring long term progress and self sustenance. We are playing by the rules in terms of FFP, which will benefit us in the long term and possibly medium term if the FA/FL through with there threats of fines, point deductions and transfer embargo. Everybody knows there are a good number of teams in this division who are clearly and unashamedly flouting the rules set out by the FL and they should be punished for it. With Brighton's infrastructure, unwavering support, passion and footballing ethos, whether it be this Season or next, there is only one way this club is going and that is to the Premier League, it is our destiny, it is inevitable.[/p][/quote]Thank god for sanity and intelligent comment. Best posting on this site for a long long time. OldGull

11:41pm Mon 20 Jan 14

Hovite says...

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....Comment from Sunderland on Bridcutt saga
Yes they seem to think they will get him.
I say £4m take it or leave it
I would be more concerned if Sunderland pulled out and we were left with Bridcutt. I am sure we will get the best we can but with no other club making a bid on him he is only really worth what the best offer is.
[quote][p][bold]OldGull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]brightonup[/bold] wrote: http://rokerreport.s bnation.com/2014/1/1 9/5322672/sunderland -transfers-bridcutt? utm_source=rokerrepo rt.sbnation&utm_ medi um=nextclicks&ut m_ca mpaign=blogs ....Comment from Sunderland on Bridcutt saga[/p][/quote]Yes they seem to think they will get him. I say £4m take it or leave it[/p][/quote]I would be more concerned if Sunderland pulled out and we were left with Bridcutt. I am sure we will get the best we can but with no other club making a bid on him he is only really worth what the best offer is. Hovite

11:48pm Mon 20 Jan 14

Vince says...

searich1983 wrote:
SecondReserve wrote: I have said several times - and still believe - that the club appear to have no ambition to get to the Premiership but have decided to settle for us being a decent Championship side, getting very large crowds but avoiding the risks and costs of top flight football. We are still a selling club (how many other clubs in the top half of the Championship are selling first team players?), the current team do not look good enough to get promoted (how many of our players would REALLY be good enough for the Premiership?) and how often, other than the Leicester match, have we played well recently? The current top 5 are well ahead of the rest and will probably remain so, which means that there are about 10 teams fighting for the last play-off place. At the moment I can't see us ending up in that sixth place though of course some genuine quality signings in the next two weeks could change that. But will those signings happen??? Maybe but the players we have brought in since last season have been OK though none of them has been a significant improvement on players we already had (only Ward is a regular first choice and he's no Wayne Bridge). The next ten days COULD be very interesting - they will certainly tell us a great deal about whether the club has any real ambition or not. I'd absolutely love to be proved wrong. We'll see.
At least someone talking sense, thanks SecondReserve!! To the rest: "don't keep lying to yourself" please
I agree that none of our purchases/loans this season (and I can only think of Ward, Andrews, Lopez, Obika and this youngster Montanana?) are likely to cut it in the premiership, although Montana might develop. The loan players we had, Conway and Lita could possibly have done so. But this is because we are trying to get there on last season's purchases - many of whom could play there (Ulloa, Orlandi, Bruno, Ince, Upson) - not to mention existing players like Buckley, Lua Lua and Kuszac. Most of the other players we have are unlikely to be in a premiership first team squad - although Crofts could do so for a season or two.
Where I think we have missed out is in signing the sort of livewire, quality strikers which other championship clubs have purchased e.g. Goldrick, Ledesma, Wells, Le Fondre, Vaughan, Morrison, Paterson, Maynard etc.
However, we can still make the Premiership with our existing squad.I would also like to see us get Conway for the rest of the season.

That is not lacking ambition - it's working sensibly within our means -with the opportunity to spend big on 3 or 4 quality players when we get promoted.
I think we should continue to look for quality young players like Ince and Chicksen to develop in our academy, and scour the lower leagues for young players with raw talent. Rochdale seem to have some clever young players as they showed when they beat Leeds. There are others like Moussa of Coventry.
[quote][p][bold]searich1983[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SecondReserve[/bold] wrote: I have said several times - and still believe - that the club appear to have no ambition to get to the Premiership but have decided to settle for us being a decent Championship side, getting very large crowds but avoiding the risks and costs of top flight football. We are still a selling club (how many other clubs in the top half of the Championship are selling first team players?), the current team do not look good enough to get promoted (how many of our players would REALLY be good enough for the Premiership?) and how often, other than the Leicester match, have we played well recently? The current top 5 are well ahead of the rest and will probably remain so, which means that there are about 10 teams fighting for the last play-off place. At the moment I can't see us ending up in that sixth place though of course some genuine quality signings in the next two weeks could change that. But will those signings happen??? Maybe but the players we have brought in since last season have been OK though none of them has been a significant improvement on players we already had (only Ward is a regular first choice and he's no Wayne Bridge). The next ten days COULD be very interesting - they will certainly tell us a great deal about whether the club has any real ambition or not. I'd absolutely love to be proved wrong. We'll see.[/p][/quote]At least someone talking sense, thanks SecondReserve!! To the rest: "don't keep lying to yourself" please[/p][/quote]I agree that none of our purchases/loans this season (and I can only think of Ward, Andrews, Lopez, Obika and this youngster Montanana?) are likely to cut it in the premiership, although Montana might develop. The loan players we had, Conway and Lita could possibly have done so. But this is because we are trying to get there on last season's purchases - many of whom could play there (Ulloa, Orlandi, Bruno, Ince, Upson) - not to mention existing players like Buckley, Lua Lua and Kuszac. Most of the other players we have are unlikely to be in a premiership first team squad - although Crofts could do so for a season or two. Where I think we have missed out is in signing the sort of livewire, quality strikers which other championship clubs have purchased e.g. Goldrick, Ledesma, Wells, Le Fondre, Vaughan, Morrison, Paterson, Maynard etc. However, we can still make the Premiership with our existing squad.I would also like to see us get Conway for the rest of the season. That is not lacking ambition - it's working sensibly within our means -with the opportunity to spend big on 3 or 4 quality players when we get promoted. I think we should continue to look for quality young players like Ince and Chicksen to develop in our academy, and scour the lower leagues for young players with raw talent. Rochdale seem to have some clever young players as they showed when they beat Leeds. There are others like Moussa of Coventry. Vince

11:52pm Mon 20 Jan 14

OldGull says...

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....Comment from Sunderland on Bridcutt saga
Yes they seem to think they will get him.
I say £4m take it or leave it
I would be more concerned if Sunderland pulled out and we were left with Bridcutt. I am sure we will get the best we can but with no other club making a bid on him he is only really worth what the best offer is.
Agree to a point
If the offer was way below what it would cost to replace him (not that we need to with Ince available).
Why would we sell ?
I believe if he was still here in Feb he would knuckle down and work for the team.
It can work, Look at how Saurez has reacted to being refused a transfer.
[quote][p][bold]Hovite[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OldGull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]brightonup[/bold] wrote: http://rokerreport.s bnation.com/2014/1/1 9/5322672/sunderland -transfers-bridcutt? utm_source=rokerrepo rt.sbnation&utm_ medi um=nextclicks&ut m_ca mpaign=blogs ....Comment from Sunderland on Bridcutt saga[/p][/quote]Yes they seem to think they will get him. I say £4m take it or leave it[/p][/quote]I would be more concerned if Sunderland pulled out and we were left with Bridcutt. I am sure we will get the best we can but with no other club making a bid on him he is only really worth what the best offer is.[/p][/quote]Agree to a point If the offer was way below what it would cost to replace him (not that we need to with Ince available). Why would we sell ? I believe if he was still here in Feb he would knuckle down and work for the team. It can work, Look at how Saurez has reacted to being refused a transfer. OldGull

11:59pm Mon 20 Jan 14

jockithenoo says...

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This is a truer value 4 is a bit much
WE MARCH ON
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Bridcutt, LiamMidfield (DM), 24 Years   £3.100.0 00 €3.500.000 Www.tranfermrkt.co.u k This is a truer value 4 is a bit much WE MARCH ON UTA jockithenoo

12:34am Tue 21 Jan 14

Baldseagull says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Baldseagull, I will clarify.

I say two players in by midnight, my time, this coming Sunday, my time because of not I will be sleeping thru 6 or 7 hours of your time and I couldn't possibly post comments.
Both players will be deemed as senior players.
The length of their time with us, if loanees, makes no difference to the bet.
I will not post any comment for a period of 24 hours if I am wrong.
You will support all of my comments for 24 hours no matter what I write.
The 24 hour period will cover out match following the Sunday dead line.

Agreed, do we have a bet?
OK, but for the sake of others readers, don't go too crazy if you win.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Baldseagull, I will clarify. I say two players in by midnight, my time, this coming Sunday, my time because of not I will be sleeping thru 6 or 7 hours of your time and I couldn't possibly post comments. Both players will be deemed as senior players. The length of their time with us, if loanees, makes no difference to the bet. I will not post any comment for a period of 24 hours if I am wrong. You will support all of my comments for 24 hours no matter what I write. The 24 hour period will cover out match following the Sunday dead line. Agreed, do we have a bet?[/p][/quote]OK, but for the sake of others readers, don't go too crazy if you win. Baldseagull

2:32am Tue 21 Jan 14

mark by the sea says...

Young mr Burke has played a blinder, I thought TB did not like doing business in the January window! Not it seems we have a problem, if he does nothing we lose fans STH ... If he spends it costs more than we want to spend, mason a perfect example... Swap bridcutt for the lad on loan at sheff weds ,
In my mind two big loans should come in, that way we keep our powder dry for the summer....
Only other thing is the fair play rules? What happens if the FA /FL do nothing?
Hats off to Bournemouth , Burnley, Bournemouth realised how much it would cost to replace grabban and protected there position, Burnley renewed vokes contract till 2017 even though it had 18 months left on it,
I have to guess we are either waiting for Cardiff to accept a low bid for Conway... Or we will wait for him in the summer free of charge"
While some say we are in same position of last season, that may be true, but the Amex is flat , fans not happy, boring football, no goals.. This is a recipe for people not turning up... Going to be interesting few months, unless the three omigos get there act together heads will roll.
Young mr Burke has played a blinder, I thought TB did not like doing business in the January window! Not it seems we have a problem, if he does nothing we lose fans STH ... If he spends it costs more than we want to spend, mason a perfect example... Swap bridcutt for the lad on loan at sheff weds , In my mind two big loans should come in, that way we keep our powder dry for the summer.... Only other thing is the fair play rules? What happens if the FA /FL do nothing? Hats off to Bournemouth , Burnley, Bournemouth realised how much it would cost to replace grabban and protected there position, Burnley renewed vokes contract till 2017 even though it had 18 months left on it, I have to guess we are either waiting for Cardiff to accept a low bid for Conway... Or we will wait for him in the summer free of charge" While some say we are in same position of last season, that may be true, but the Amex is flat , fans not happy, boring football, no goals.. This is a recipe for people not turning up... Going to be interesting few months, unless the three omigos get there act together heads will roll. mark by the sea

8:29am Tue 21 Jan 14

Withdean-er says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Young mr Burke has played a blinder, I thought TB did not like doing business in the January window! Not it seems we have a problem, if he does nothing we lose fans STH ... If he spends it costs more than we want to spend, mason a perfect example... Swap bridcutt for the lad on loan at sheff weds ,
In my mind two big loans should come in, that way we keep our powder dry for the summer....
Only other thing is the fair play rules? What happens if the FA /FL do nothing?
Hats off to Bournemouth , Burnley, Bournemouth realised how much it would cost to replace grabban and protected there position, Burnley renewed vokes contract till 2017 even though it had 18 months left on it,
I have to guess we are either waiting for Cardiff to accept a low bid for Conway... Or we will wait for him in the summer free of charge"
While some say we are in same position of last season, that may be true, but the Amex is flat , fans not happy, boring football, no goals.. This is a recipe for people not turning up... Going to be interesting few months, unless the three omigos get there act together heads will roll.
You make some good points, but the boring football/no goals was more a feature of the Poyet (Amex) era. Other than for little purple patches like the end of last season, despite the high-spending (as TB gave him too much slack giving us the accounting losses), Poyet's team had an awful lot of trouble breaking teams down, with e.g. a lack of attacking players in the pen box when we went forward. On a much slimmer budget and with the Head of Football Ops mismanaging players in and out, I think OG is doing a good job in his debut season. It's now over to TB/Burke to see if they give him more tools to progress.

At least this is all being done in private ..... Poyet would have been whinging through the media in these circumstances, and publicly flirting with other jobs.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: Young mr Burke has played a blinder, I thought TB did not like doing business in the January window! Not it seems we have a problem, if he does nothing we lose fans STH ... If he spends it costs more than we want to spend, mason a perfect example... Swap bridcutt for the lad on loan at sheff weds , In my mind two big loans should come in, that way we keep our powder dry for the summer.... Only other thing is the fair play rules? What happens if the FA /FL do nothing? Hats off to Bournemouth , Burnley, Bournemouth realised how much it would cost to replace grabban and protected there position, Burnley renewed vokes contract till 2017 even though it had 18 months left on it, I have to guess we are either waiting for Cardiff to accept a low bid for Conway... Or we will wait for him in the summer free of charge" While some say we are in same position of last season, that may be true, but the Amex is flat , fans not happy, boring football, no goals.. This is a recipe for people not turning up... Going to be interesting few months, unless the three omigos get there act together heads will roll.[/p][/quote]You make some good points, but the boring football/no goals was more a feature of the Poyet (Amex) era. Other than for little purple patches like the end of last season, despite the high-spending (as TB gave him too much slack giving us the accounting losses), Poyet's team had an awful lot of trouble breaking teams down, with e.g. a lack of attacking players in the pen box when we went forward. On a much slimmer budget and with the Head of Football Ops mismanaging players in and out, I think OG is doing a good job in his debut season. It's now over to TB/Burke to see if they give him more tools to progress. At least this is all being done in private ..... Poyet would have been whinging through the media in these circumstances, and publicly flirting with other jobs. Withdean-er

7:14pm Tue 21 Jan 14

ballantrrae says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Young mr Burke has played a blinder, I thought TB did not like doing business in the January window! Not it seems we have a problem, if he does nothing we lose fans STH ... If he spends it costs more than we want to spend, mason a perfect example... Swap bridcutt for the lad on loan at sheff weds ,
In my mind two big loans should come in, that way we keep our powder dry for the summer....
Only other thing is the fair play rules? What happens if the FA /FL do nothing?
Hats off to Bournemouth , Burnley, Bournemouth realised how much it would cost to replace grabban and protected there position, Burnley renewed vokes contract till 2017 even though it had 18 months left on it,
I have to guess we are either waiting for Cardiff to accept a low bid for Conway... Or we will wait for him in the summer free of charge"
While some say we are in same position of last season, that may be true, but the Amex is flat , fans not happy, boring football, no goals.. This is a recipe for people not turning up... Going to be interesting few months, unless the three omigos get there act together heads will roll.
MBTS interesting post as always.
I like your getting players in on Loan idea and thus keeping a large percentage of 'our powder dry'. I would add buying young players for the DS as we did with Chicksen and recruiting other gems like Ince on permanent deals is I feel a good forward thinking strategy and potentially money well spent.
What we seem to lack at the moment is someone who can 'Sell' the club to potential new signings. Poyet did witness Bridge, CMS, Orlandi, Greer, Bruno, Kuscszak, Buckley, LuaLua, Upson and Ulloa. Poyet had his faults selling BHA as a club to come and play for wasn't one of them.
Oscar is clearly a first rate Coach. Give him a bunch of players and in a few short months he will be bringing the best out of them - Barnes all round play improved noticeably this season and Ince a revelation.
However I would question how good a 'salesman' he is. I have to say it is hard enough trying to sell in one's first language let alone in one's second.
Unfortunately Burke doesn't appear to be a Salesman either. So we need to get someone in either on the board or attached to the Playing Management who can take on this most important role. Such a person might just make the difference between actually signing a target eg Grabban and not doing so.
UTA.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: Young mr Burke has played a blinder, I thought TB did not like doing business in the January window! Not it seems we have a problem, if he does nothing we lose fans STH ... If he spends it costs more than we want to spend, mason a perfect example... Swap bridcutt for the lad on loan at sheff weds , In my mind two big loans should come in, that way we keep our powder dry for the summer.... Only other thing is the fair play rules? What happens if the FA /FL do nothing? Hats off to Bournemouth , Burnley, Bournemouth realised how much it would cost to replace grabban and protected there position, Burnley renewed vokes contract till 2017 even though it had 18 months left on it, I have to guess we are either waiting for Cardiff to accept a low bid for Conway... Or we will wait for him in the summer free of charge" While some say we are in same position of last season, that may be true, but the Amex is flat , fans not happy, boring football, no goals.. This is a recipe for people not turning up... Going to be interesting few months, unless the three omigos get there act together heads will roll.[/p][/quote]MBTS interesting post as always. I like your getting players in on Loan idea and thus keeping a large percentage of 'our powder dry'. I would add buying young players for the DS as we did with Chicksen and recruiting other gems like Ince on permanent deals is I feel a good forward thinking strategy and potentially money well spent. What we seem to lack at the moment is someone who can 'Sell' the club to potential new signings. Poyet did witness Bridge, CMS, Orlandi, Greer, Bruno, Kuscszak, Buckley, LuaLua, Upson and Ulloa. Poyet had his faults selling BHA as a club to come and play for wasn't one of them. Oscar is clearly a first rate Coach. Give him a bunch of players and in a few short months he will be bringing the best out of them - Barnes all round play improved noticeably this season and Ince a revelation. However I would question how good a 'salesman' he is. I have to say it is hard enough trying to sell in one's first language let alone in one's second. Unfortunately Burke doesn't appear to be a Salesman either. So we need to get someone in either on the board or attached to the Playing Management who can take on this most important role. Such a person might just make the difference between actually signing a target eg Grabban and not doing so. UTA. ballantrrae

2:29pm Thu 23 Jan 14

Perseus says...

I would be annoyed if Will Buckley leaves and we sign the inferior Conway or Mason. Not disappointed to lose Barnes or El Abd. Losing Crofts was a blow. Not too dismayed if we lose Bricutt, a bit disappointed. 9/1 to go up. I see next season as the one to make a bid. Therefore, I do not want to lose players of they are just a little off form.
Did not want Grabban either.
I would be annoyed if Will Buckley leaves and we sign the inferior Conway or Mason. Not disappointed to lose Barnes or El Abd. Losing Crofts was a blow. Not too dismayed if we lose Bricutt, a bit disappointed. 9/1 to go up. I see next season as the one to make a bid. Therefore, I do not want to lose players of they are just a little off form. Did not want Grabban either. Perseus

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