Transfer window watch: Latvian heading for Scotland

The Argus: Vitalijs Maksimenko Vitalijs Maksimenko

Albion's Latvian international Vitalijs Maksimenko could spend the rest of the season in Scotland.

A loan move to Kilmarnock is in the pipeline for the development squad defender.

Maksimenko, who can play at centre-half or left-back, made his full debut in Albion's opening home Championship game of the season against Derby County at The Amex.

Stephen Ward was signed shortly afterwards and Maksimenko has not featured in the first team squad since the end of August.

Albion, currently with three centre-halves, have targeted former Fulham, Southampton and Reading defender Chris Baird as a potential replacement for long-serving Adam El-Abd, who was sold to Bristol City last week.

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10:38am Thu 23 Jan 14

Lawro was God says...

Presumably Baird would be a short Term stop gap until Maksimenko develops? Wondered why his name hasn't featured in discussions around El Abds replacement. Hope the loan works out for him. Very quiet on the Conway / Mason front could hinge on Cardiff getting Zaha on loan I guess.
Presumably Baird would be a short Term stop gap until Maksimenko develops? Wondered why his name hasn't featured in discussions around El Abds replacement. Hope the loan works out for him. Very quiet on the Conway / Mason front could hinge on Cardiff getting Zaha on loan I guess. Lawro was God

11:17am Thu 23 Jan 14

farside says...

Conway and Mason will be in the Cardiff squad v Bolton on Saturday so nothing going to happen before the last couple of days of the transfer window.
Good move for Maxi. Wouldnt be surprised if ir becomes peermanent.
Any news on Dickenson going out on loan/permanent?
Conway and Mason will be in the Cardiff squad v Bolton on Saturday so nothing going to happen before the last couple of days of the transfer window. Good move for Maxi. Wouldnt be surprised if ir becomes peermanent. Any news on Dickenson going out on loan/permanent? farside

11:56am Thu 23 Jan 14

heathgate says...

Another player out,..... any chance of someone coming in??...... seems not.
Another player out,..... any chance of someone coming in??...... seems not. heathgate

12:00pm Thu 23 Jan 14

Gee Jay says...

Another one off the wages bill. We must be having a big clear out and reduction of wages in preparation for a couple of decent signings, if not this month but in the close season.
Encouraging news that CMS is getting nearer to putting to blue and white stripes back on!
Another one off the wages bill. We must be having a big clear out and reduction of wages in preparation for a couple of decent signings, if not this month but in the close season. Encouraging news that CMS is getting nearer to putting to blue and white stripes back on! Gee Jay

12:06pm Thu 23 Jan 14

tug509 says...

Lets hope the powers that be ,have the good sense to get someone in before letting anyone else out on loan !.

Good luck Vitalijs . UTA
Lets hope the powers that be ,have the good sense to get someone in before letting anyone else out on loan !. Good luck Vitalijs . UTA tug509

12:56pm Thu 23 Jan 14

Far gull says...

tug509 wrote:
Lets hope the powers that be ,have the good sense to get someone in before letting anyone else out on loan !.

Good luck Vitalijs . UTA
Nah ,expect at least another half dozen out on loan yet ,as still a week to go ,one a day ;-) . Could B + B go out on loan ,now that would cut the wage bill and really sort team out under Oscar. You never know promotion might even then be possible ;-)
[quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: Lets hope the powers that be ,have the good sense to get someone in before letting anyone else out on loan !. Good luck Vitalijs . UTA[/p][/quote]Nah ,expect at least another half dozen out on loan yet ,as still a week to go ,one a day ;-) . Could B + B go out on loan ,now that would cut the wage bill and really sort team out under Oscar. You never know promotion might even then be possible ;-) Far gull

12:57pm Thu 23 Jan 14

SonnyJim55 says...

Sunderland coming in for Ulloa...will offer Wickham plus cash.
This is apart from the Bridcutt sagao obviously!
Sunderland coming in for Ulloa...will offer Wickham plus cash. This is apart from the Bridcutt sagao obviously! SonnyJim55

1:04pm Thu 23 Jan 14

tug509 says...

Far gull wrote:
tug509 wrote:
Lets hope the powers that be ,have the good sense to get someone in before letting anyone else out on loan !.

Good luck Vitalijs . UTA
Nah ,expect at least another half dozen out on loan yet ,as still a week to go ,one a day ;-) . Could B + B go out on loan ,now that would cut the wage bill and really sort team out under Oscar. You never know promotion might even then be possible ;-)
Haha ,what a brilliant idea !. UTA
[quote][p][bold]Far gull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: Lets hope the powers that be ,have the good sense to get someone in before letting anyone else out on loan !. Good luck Vitalijs . UTA[/p][/quote]Nah ,expect at least another half dozen out on loan yet ,as still a week to go ,one a day ;-) . Could B + B go out on loan ,now that would cut the wage bill and really sort team out under Oscar. You never know promotion might even then be possible ;-)[/p][/quote]Haha ,what a brilliant idea !. UTA tug509

1:31pm Thu 23 Jan 14

Gee Jay says...

SonnyJim55 wrote:
Sunderland coming in for Ulloa...will offer Wickham plus cash. This is apart from the Bridcutt sagao obviously!
Can't see it.
Wickham won't want to drop into the Championship and Leonado, much as we love him, hasn't proved that he is Premiership quality (yet).
[quote][p][bold]SonnyJim55[/bold] wrote: Sunderland coming in for Ulloa...will offer Wickham plus cash. This is apart from the Bridcutt sagao obviously![/p][/quote]Can't see it. Wickham won't want to drop into the Championship and Leonado, much as we love him, hasn't proved that he is Premiership quality (yet). Gee Jay

1:48pm Thu 23 Jan 14

VegasSeagull says...

Gee Jay wrote:
SonnyJim55 wrote:
Sunderland coming in for Ulloa...will offer Wickham plus cash. This is apart from the Bridcutt sagao obviously!
Can't see it.
Wickham won't want to drop into the Championship and Leonado, much as we love him, hasn't proved that he is Premiership quality (yet).
Bridcutt hasn't proved himself either, in fact no player can until given the chance. With Palace possibly looking at Buckley, and Poyet's stated interest as a matter of record, at least we could have a mini bidding war for him. The price tag that would be attached to Ulloa might well deter any further interest in him, and Bidders is still being under valued by Poyet. My guess is that Bridders will go, Ulloa will stay, and Buckley goes of the price is right.

Some have asked, why are we trying to sign a striker when we have CMS and Hoskins coming back, and to Obika and Ulloa available, why would we want 5 strikers when we only play one up front, an offer of 7 to 9 million for Ulloa might give us the answer.
[quote][p][bold]Gee Jay[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SonnyJim55[/bold] wrote: Sunderland coming in for Ulloa...will offer Wickham plus cash. This is apart from the Bridcutt sagao obviously![/p][/quote]Can't see it. Wickham won't want to drop into the Championship and Leonado, much as we love him, hasn't proved that he is Premiership quality (yet).[/p][/quote]Bridcutt hasn't proved himself either, in fact no player can until given the chance. With Palace possibly looking at Buckley, and Poyet's stated interest as a matter of record, at least we could have a mini bidding war for him. The price tag that would be attached to Ulloa might well deter any further interest in him, and Bidders is still being under valued by Poyet. My guess is that Bridders will go, Ulloa will stay, and Buckley goes of the price is right. Some have asked, why are we trying to sign a striker when we have CMS and Hoskins coming back, and to Obika and Ulloa available, why would we want 5 strikers when we only play one up front, an offer of 7 to 9 million for Ulloa might give us the answer. VegasSeagull

1:52pm Thu 23 Jan 14

kwaidam says...

Far gull wrote:
tug509 wrote:
Lets hope the powers that be ,have the good sense to get someone in before letting anyone else out on loan !.

Good luck Vitalijs . UTA
Nah ,expect at least another half dozen out on loan yet ,as still a week to go ,one a day ;-) . Could B + B go out on loan ,now that would cut the wage bill and really sort team out under Oscar. You never know promotion might even then be possible ;-)
Brilliant..
[quote][p][bold]Far gull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: Lets hope the powers that be ,have the good sense to get someone in before letting anyone else out on loan !. Good luck Vitalijs . UTA[/p][/quote]Nah ,expect at least another half dozen out on loan yet ,as still a week to go ,one a day ;-) . Could B + B go out on loan ,now that would cut the wage bill and really sort team out under Oscar. You never know promotion might even then be possible ;-)[/p][/quote]Brilliant.. kwaidam

2:11pm Thu 23 Jan 14

wiseman of hove says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Gee Jay wrote:
SonnyJim55 wrote:
Sunderland coming in for Ulloa...will offer Wickham plus cash. This is apart from the Bridcutt sagao obviously!
Can't see it.
Wickham won't want to drop into the Championship and Leonado, much as we love him, hasn't proved that he is Premiership quality (yet).
Bridcutt hasn't proved himself either, in fact no player can until given the chance. With Palace possibly looking at Buckley, and Poyet's stated interest as a matter of record, at least we could have a mini bidding war for him. The price tag that would be attached to Ulloa might well deter any further interest in him, and Bidders is still being under valued by Poyet. My guess is that Bridders will go, Ulloa will stay, and Buckley goes of the price is right.

Some have asked, why are we trying to sign a striker when we have CMS and Hoskins coming back, and to Obika and Ulloa available, why would we want 5 strikers when we only play one up front, an offer of 7 to 9 million for Ulloa might give us the answer.
Sunderland reaching the final with all the attendant income to swell the coffers, demands that we get £4 million for Bridcutt should our former manager bid again. Ulloa? Will probably stay even though I recall our former manager describing him as 'different class' Mind you, he also thought Bruno should be the premiership. Buckley? A nagging suspicion that he might exit.
I would miss those occassional glimpses of exciting skills.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gee Jay[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SonnyJim55[/bold] wrote: Sunderland coming in for Ulloa...will offer Wickham plus cash. This is apart from the Bridcutt sagao obviously![/p][/quote]Can't see it. Wickham won't want to drop into the Championship and Leonado, much as we love him, hasn't proved that he is Premiership quality (yet).[/p][/quote]Bridcutt hasn't proved himself either, in fact no player can until given the chance. With Palace possibly looking at Buckley, and Poyet's stated interest as a matter of record, at least we could have a mini bidding war for him. The price tag that would be attached to Ulloa might well deter any further interest in him, and Bidders is still being under valued by Poyet. My guess is that Bridders will go, Ulloa will stay, and Buckley goes of the price is right. Some have asked, why are we trying to sign a striker when we have CMS and Hoskins coming back, and to Obika and Ulloa available, why would we want 5 strikers when we only play one up front, an offer of 7 to 9 million for Ulloa might give us the answer.[/p][/quote]Sunderland reaching the final with all the attendant income to swell the coffers, demands that we get £4 million for Bridcutt should our former manager bid again. Ulloa? Will probably stay even though I recall our former manager describing him as 'different class' Mind you, he also thought Bruno should be the premiership. Buckley? A nagging suspicion that he might exit. I would miss those occassional glimpses of exciting skills. wiseman of hove

2:16pm Thu 23 Jan 14

VegasSeagull says...

wiseman of hove wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Gee Jay wrote:
SonnyJim55 wrote:
Sunderland coming in for Ulloa...will offer Wickham plus cash. This is apart from the Bridcutt sagao obviously!
Can't see it.
Wickham won't want to drop into the Championship and Leonado, much as we love him, hasn't proved that he is Premiership quality (yet).
Bridcutt hasn't proved himself either, in fact no player can until given the chance. With Palace possibly looking at Buckley, and Poyet's stated interest as a matter of record, at least we could have a mini bidding war for him. The price tag that would be attached to Ulloa might well deter any further interest in him, and Bidders is still being under valued by Poyet. My guess is that Bridders will go, Ulloa will stay, and Buckley goes of the price is right.

Some have asked, why are we trying to sign a striker when we have CMS and Hoskins coming back, and to Obika and Ulloa available, why would we want 5 strikers when we only play one up front, an offer of 7 to 9 million for Ulloa might give us the answer.
Sunderland reaching the final with all the attendant income to swell the coffers, demands that we get £4 million for Bridcutt should our former manager bid again. Ulloa? Will probably stay even though I recall our former manager describing him as 'different class' Mind you, he also thought Bruno should be the premiership. Buckley? A nagging suspicion that he might exit.
I would miss those occassional glimpses of exciting skills.
Yep, we seem to be in agreement, 4 million seems right for Bridders, 2.5 million for Buckley would be hard to turn down, given that he is a tad injury prone and Ulloa, I can't see any prem club paying what we would want, not even Sunderland with their cup prize money.
[quote][p][bold]wiseman of hove[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gee Jay[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SonnyJim55[/bold] wrote: Sunderland coming in for Ulloa...will offer Wickham plus cash. This is apart from the Bridcutt sagao obviously![/p][/quote]Can't see it. Wickham won't want to drop into the Championship and Leonado, much as we love him, hasn't proved that he is Premiership quality (yet).[/p][/quote]Bridcutt hasn't proved himself either, in fact no player can until given the chance. With Palace possibly looking at Buckley, and Poyet's stated interest as a matter of record, at least we could have a mini bidding war for him. The price tag that would be attached to Ulloa might well deter any further interest in him, and Bidders is still being under valued by Poyet. My guess is that Bridders will go, Ulloa will stay, and Buckley goes of the price is right. Some have asked, why are we trying to sign a striker when we have CMS and Hoskins coming back, and to Obika and Ulloa available, why would we want 5 strikers when we only play one up front, an offer of 7 to 9 million for Ulloa might give us the answer.[/p][/quote]Sunderland reaching the final with all the attendant income to swell the coffers, demands that we get £4 million for Bridcutt should our former manager bid again. Ulloa? Will probably stay even though I recall our former manager describing him as 'different class' Mind you, he also thought Bruno should be the premiership. Buckley? A nagging suspicion that he might exit. I would miss those occassional glimpses of exciting skills.[/p][/quote]Yep, we seem to be in agreement, 4 million seems right for Bridders, 2.5 million for Buckley would be hard to turn down, given that he is a tad injury prone and Ulloa, I can't see any prem club paying what we would want, not even Sunderland with their cup prize money. VegasSeagull

2:46pm Thu 23 Jan 14

championshipgull says...

From The London Evening Standard :

Crystal Palace boss Tony Pulis is targeting a swoop for winger Will Buckley from arch-enemies Brighton to boost the Eagles’ survival bid.
Sunderland had a £1.5million bid for the 24-year-old turned down at the start of the window and Gus Poyet remains interested in signing his former player.
But with Palace seeking attacking reinforcements having yet to bolster their squad in this window, Pulis is hoping to steal a march on their relegation rivals by snatching the former Watford star.
It is understood that a bid of around £2 million could be enough to persuade Brighton boss Oscar Garcia to sell, even though Buckley is happy to stay at The Amex having signed a new contract last January.

http://www.standard.
co.uk/sport/football
/crystal-palace-keen
-on-signing-brighton
-winger-will-buckley
-9080211.html
From The London Evening Standard : Crystal Palace boss Tony Pulis is targeting a swoop for winger Will Buckley from arch-enemies Brighton to boost the Eagles’ survival bid. Sunderland had a £1.5million bid for the 24-year-old turned down at the start of the window and Gus Poyet remains interested in signing his former player. But with Palace seeking attacking reinforcements having yet to bolster their squad in this window, Pulis is hoping to steal a march on their relegation rivals by snatching the former Watford star. It is understood that a bid of around £2 million could be enough to persuade Brighton boss Oscar Garcia to sell, even though Buckley is happy to stay at The Amex having signed a new contract last January. http://www.standard. co.uk/sport/football /crystal-palace-keen -on-signing-brighton -winger-will-buckley -9080211.html championshipgull

2:48pm Thu 23 Jan 14

russellsnr2 says...

heathgate wrote:
Another player out,..... any chance of someone coming in??...... seems not.
We must have to bring in a midfielder before the window closes to bulk us up as we will not have Bridcutt. He wants away but even if he does not go in this window he will not give 100% even if he gets on the field.
Still seems to be all out!!
and Nowt IN!!!
Even OC has stated we need players IN has he not?
Wigan sign Chelsea and England Under-21 midfielder Josh McEachran on loan until the end of the season.
Championship strugglers Barnsley sign Hull City striker Nick Proschwitz on loan until the end of the season.
Brighton and Hove Albion sign ???? until the end of the season.
I no we don't want to sign just anyone for the sake of a signing but time is running out in this window and as I said in an earlier post it seems we are seeing on these pages Brighton in race for ???
Brighton fall at first hurdle.
Not the papers fault as they are or seem to be in the same position as the supporters as far as information coming from within the club itself.
[quote][p][bold]heathgate[/bold] wrote: Another player out,..... any chance of someone coming in??...... seems not.[/p][/quote]We must have to bring in a midfielder before the window closes to bulk us up as we will not have Bridcutt. He wants away but even if he does not go in this window he will not give 100% even if he gets on the field. Still seems to be all out!! and Nowt IN!!! Even OC has stated we need players IN has he not? Wigan sign Chelsea and England Under-21 midfielder Josh McEachran on loan until the end of the season. Championship strugglers Barnsley sign Hull City striker Nick Proschwitz on loan until the end of the season. Brighton and Hove Albion sign ???? until the end of the season. I no we don't want to sign just anyone for the sake of a signing but time is running out in this window and as I said in an earlier post it seems we are seeing on these pages Brighton in race for ??? Brighton fall at first hurdle. Not the papers fault as they are or seem to be in the same position as the supporters as far as information coming from within the club itself. russellsnr2

2:54pm Thu 23 Jan 14

VegasSeagull says...

Russell, when ever we are linked to a player, and that link is made known, we always then hear of our rivals coming in for the same player, perhaps silence is golden. Tell me nothing until you have something to tell, and I am not interested in rumors, factual signings are what we want to hear about.
Agree?
Russell, when ever we are linked to a player, and that link is made known, we always then hear of our rivals coming in for the same player, perhaps silence is golden. Tell me nothing until you have something to tell, and I am not interested in rumors, factual signings are what we want to hear about. Agree? VegasSeagull

3:32pm Thu 23 Jan 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

Regarding Maksi, it's not a surprise given Chicksen's appearance in the absence of Ward. Best to go and get some proper first team football. Even a small club in Scotland is better than playing DS football.

To anyone still complaining about Barber and Burke, why not put up and state EXACTLY what you dislike about the way they are running the club, with proper examples and how you would like it to be done differently? It's all very tedious blaming them for just about everything.
Regarding Maksi, it's not a surprise given Chicksen's appearance in the absence of Ward. Best to go and get some proper first team football. Even a small club in Scotland is better than playing DS football. To anyone still complaining about Barber and Burke, why not put up and state EXACTLY what you dislike about the way they are running the club, with proper examples and how you would like it to be done differently? It's all very tedious blaming them for just about everything. Ex-pat Arnie

3:57pm Thu 23 Jan 14

VegasSeagull says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
Regarding Maksi, it's not a surprise given Chicksen's appearance in the absence of Ward. Best to go and get some proper first team football. Even a small club in Scotland is better than playing DS football.

To anyone still complaining about Barber and Burke, why not put up and state EXACTLY what you dislike about the way they are running the club, with proper examples and how you would like it to be done differently? It's all very tedious blaming them for just about everything.
Arnie, your challenge is valid but I doubt too many will take it up. Those that have a problem wit the Burke and Barber combination only really want a few things, those being for the club to make only marquee signings, regardless of cost. They want instant success, they want promotion now.They have zero interest in the club following the FFP rules, indeed that think that we should simply ignore them. They want a manger and not a head coach, even tho had that been Bloom's stance Oscar probably would not have come to us as he knew very little about our market.

Burke is the man that says NO, and some don't want to hear NO. Barber is a money man thru and thru, he crunches numbers and does deals that are not directly player related so if Burke says NO, Barber gets tarred with the same brush.

It can be hard to be a fan and want what every fan wants, success on the field, only to have a couple of suits seemingly more involved than the manager/head coach, even if that is not exactly the position. I get where they are coming from but I also think that they should take a small step back and just think about it a little more. When you slag off Burke and Barber, you slag off Tony Bloom as after all, they are only doing his bidding.
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: Regarding Maksi, it's not a surprise given Chicksen's appearance in the absence of Ward. Best to go and get some proper first team football. Even a small club in Scotland is better than playing DS football. To anyone still complaining about Barber and Burke, why not put up and state EXACTLY what you dislike about the way they are running the club, with proper examples and how you would like it to be done differently? It's all very tedious blaming them for just about everything.[/p][/quote]Arnie, your challenge is valid but I doubt too many will take it up. Those that have a problem wit the Burke and Barber combination only really want a few things, those being for the club to make only marquee signings, regardless of cost. They want instant success, they want promotion now.They have zero interest in the club following the FFP rules, indeed that think that we should simply ignore them. They want a manger and not a head coach, even tho had that been Bloom's stance Oscar probably would not have come to us as he knew very little about our market. Burke is the man that says NO, and some don't want to hear NO. Barber is a money man thru and thru, he crunches numbers and does deals that are not directly player related so if Burke says NO, Barber gets tarred with the same brush. It can be hard to be a fan and want what every fan wants, success on the field, only to have a couple of suits seemingly more involved than the manager/head coach, even if that is not exactly the position. I get where they are coming from but I also think that they should take a small step back and just think about it a little more. When you slag off Burke and Barber, you slag off Tony Bloom as after all, they are only doing his bidding. VegasSeagull

4:11pm Thu 23 Jan 14

Neville says...

My view on this is that we should be using Matsimenko in the current squad,I saw him play once and apart from one error did well and don't see how a season move to Scotland can really benefit him and us.An international,albeit Latvian, I feel we should be using his versatility in the squad especially with Adam ElAbd gone,also he is very fit,fast and at least 6ft tall.
My view on this is that we should be using Matsimenko in the current squad,I saw him play once and apart from one error did well and don't see how a season move to Scotland can really benefit him and us.An international,albeit Latvian, I feel we should be using his versatility in the squad especially with Adam ElAbd gone,also he is very fit,fast and at least 6ft tall. Neville

4:12pm Thu 23 Jan 14

tug509 says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
Regarding Maksi, it's not a surprise given Chicksen's appearance in the absence of Ward. Best to go and get some proper first team football. Even a small club in Scotland is better than playing DS football.

To anyone still complaining about Barber and Burke, why not put up and state EXACTLY what you dislike about the way they are running the club, with proper examples and how you would like it to be done differently? It's all very tedious blaming them for just about everything.
Well without going all out ,there a couple of things that i dont like about the way B&B are " running the club " . The first being ,they shouldn`t be running the TEAM ,that should be Oscars job ,in fact i think Oscar thought that was going to be his job ,when he joined us ,and we all know the title Coach ,was used instead of Manager because at the time ,the GP problem had not been fully resolved .
Oscar should be TELLING B&B who HE wants ,not being told by B&B who he is getting ,after all ,who did they play for and who did they Coach/Manage . We are wasting Oscar`s talents ,by not letting him use his connections ,to bring in young players from abroad ,of course there are no guarantees ,other than the guarantee that B&B DO NOT have those same connections .

I would be surprised if virtually all Albion supporters didn`t appreciate the ,for want of a better word ,book keeping that B&B do for the club ,obviously the solvency of our Great club is imperative ,but so is the running of the squad ,imho ,keep B&B with the money management ,and general running of the club ,but everything team oriented is Oscar`s domain ,and his alone ,he chooses who he wants ,then asks if the funds are available ,if they are ,hopefully we get the player ,if not then we cut our cloth accordingly .But bringing in players such as Lita ,is a waste of funds and ,we remain a player light .
OMO . UTA
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: Regarding Maksi, it's not a surprise given Chicksen's appearance in the absence of Ward. Best to go and get some proper first team football. Even a small club in Scotland is better than playing DS football. To anyone still complaining about Barber and Burke, why not put up and state EXACTLY what you dislike about the way they are running the club, with proper examples and how you would like it to be done differently? It's all very tedious blaming them for just about everything.[/p][/quote]Well without going all out ,there a couple of things that i dont like about the way B&B are " running the club " . The first being ,they shouldn`t be running the TEAM ,that should be Oscars job ,in fact i think Oscar thought that was going to be his job ,when he joined us ,and we all know the title Coach ,was used instead of Manager because at the time ,the GP problem had not been fully resolved . Oscar should be TELLING B&B who HE wants ,not being told by B&B who he is getting ,after all ,who did they play for and who did they Coach/Manage . We are wasting Oscar`s talents ,by not letting him use his connections ,to bring in young players from abroad ,of course there are no guarantees ,other than the guarantee that B&B DO NOT have those same connections . I would be surprised if virtually all Albion supporters didn`t appreciate the ,for want of a better word ,book keeping that B&B do for the club ,obviously the solvency of our Great club is imperative ,but so is the running of the squad ,imho ,keep B&B with the money management ,and general running of the club ,but everything team oriented is Oscar`s domain ,and his alone ,he chooses who he wants ,then asks if the funds are available ,if they are ,hopefully we get the player ,if not then we cut our cloth accordingly .But bringing in players such as Lita ,is a waste of funds and ,we remain a player light . OMO . UTA tug509

4:36pm Thu 23 Jan 14

VegasSeagull says...

Good morning Tug.
When Oscar arrived he very quickly let it be known that he would be leaning on others when it came to the market, he recognized his own weakness and I think that is why Jones was brought in as his assistant. The Lita loan looks like a Jones deal rather than that of Oscar or Burke
I would love to know what the current set up is with regards to identifying and then trying to sign players, it might well be that Oscar and Jones are working very closely rather than Oscar and Burke and as for Barber, I doubt that he figures at all in this area of business at this time of the year, his role surely would be to set season long financial targets which all sections of the club work to.

Oscar has aid that he didn't want this or that player to go, and we will probably hear that from him again, but every headcoach/manager says that when decent players move on. Most of us don't want Bridcutt to go, but we all accept that it will probably happen. Tug some on here are, 'assuming,' that Burke is selecting targets to bring in, we don't know that, for all we know perhaps it's Jones, perhaps he is telling Oscar who he thinks will fill the gaps, and Oscar is putting faith in Jones's knowledge of the market.
Good morning Tug. When Oscar arrived he very quickly let it be known that he would be leaning on others when it came to the market, he recognized his own weakness and I think that is why Jones was brought in as his assistant. The Lita loan looks like a Jones deal rather than that of Oscar or Burke I would love to know what the current set up is with regards to identifying and then trying to sign players, it might well be that Oscar and Jones are working very closely rather than Oscar and Burke and as for Barber, I doubt that he figures at all in this area of business at this time of the year, his role surely would be to set season long financial targets which all sections of the club work to. Oscar has aid that he didn't want this or that player to go, and we will probably hear that from him again, but every headcoach/manager says that when decent players move on. Most of us don't want Bridcutt to go, but we all accept that it will probably happen. Tug some on here are, 'assuming,' that Burke is selecting targets to bring in, we don't know that, for all we know perhaps it's Jones, perhaps he is telling Oscar who he thinks will fill the gaps, and Oscar is putting faith in Jones's knowledge of the market. VegasSeagull

5:05pm Thu 23 Jan 14

Chi Gull says...

I am with you Vegas rather than Tug. None of us know exactly how things work in detail. In most clubs the manager/coach says where the team need strengthening, what sort of player they want, and would probably come up with a few players they have seen who might fit the bill. There will then be someone at the club tasked with sourcing players and thrashing out deals - in our case Burke.One would expect them to make sure the manager/coach was happy with a proposed signing before chasing them. They will be trying to get the players the manager/coach wants within whatever budget the Directors/Executive have agreed. I haven't seen anything that suggests our club is doing things any differently but neither have I seen anything that explains how it is actually working. Ultimately it is for B&B to set the financial limits within which the club operates. I imagine Burke/OG only need to refer back to B&B if they want to do something outside of those limits. B&B may want to give the final say on the larger deals. If that's how it works I dont have a problem. It would just be good if someone at the club actually told us how it is working. All we know is it wasn't working with Gus.
I am with you Vegas rather than Tug. None of us know exactly how things work in detail. In most clubs the manager/coach says where the team need strengthening, what sort of player they want, and would probably come up with a few players they have seen who might fit the bill. There will then be someone at the club tasked with sourcing players and thrashing out deals - in our case Burke.One would expect them to make sure the manager/coach was happy with a proposed signing before chasing them. They will be trying to get the players the manager/coach wants within whatever budget the Directors/Executive have agreed. I haven't seen anything that suggests our club is doing things any differently but neither have I seen anything that explains how it is actually working. Ultimately it is for B&B to set the financial limits within which the club operates. I imagine Burke/OG only need to refer back to B&B if they want to do something outside of those limits. B&B may want to give the final say on the larger deals. If that's how it works I dont have a problem. It would just be good if someone at the club actually told us how it is working. All we know is it wasn't working with Gus. Chi Gull

5:31pm Thu 23 Jan 14

VegasSeagull says...

Chi Gull, as I see it it's a year long balancing act when it comes to spending. There are known revenue streams, fixed sponsorship deals being the main group. There are predictable revenue streams, gate numbers and average spending by the fans. There are unpredictable earnings, TV money and cup runs. Then there is the unknown revenue, another club wants one or more of our players. Whilst Barber might give earnings target figures for all departments he would adjust these figures as developments require. The exact same calculations that are employed for earnings would be used for our spending, the known, the expected and the unknown.
Oscar tells Burke of his needs re the squad, Burke acts and if his actions might exceed budgets, he talks to Barber before acting, that does not mean that Barber has anything to do with who we buy and who we don't buy, but it would impact on the decisions being made by Oscar and Burke.
Barber wouldn't say, I don't rate that player so don't buy him or, yeah he is cheap enough, sign him. Barber's role is to say, 'yes we have the money or no we don't, now you guys go figure out what you want to do.'
Chi Gull, as I see it it's a year long balancing act when it comes to spending. There are known revenue streams, fixed sponsorship deals being the main group. There are predictable revenue streams, gate numbers and average spending by the fans. There are unpredictable earnings, TV money and cup runs. Then there is the unknown revenue, another club wants one or more of our players. Whilst Barber might give earnings target figures for all departments he would adjust these figures as developments require. The exact same calculations that are employed for earnings would be used for our spending, the known, the expected and the unknown. Oscar tells Burke of his needs re the squad, Burke acts and if his actions might exceed budgets, he talks to Barber before acting, that does not mean that Barber has anything to do with who we buy and who we don't buy, but it would impact on the decisions being made by Oscar and Burke. Barber wouldn't say, I don't rate that player so don't buy him or, yeah he is cheap enough, sign him. Barber's role is to say, 'yes we have the money or no we don't, now you guys go figure out what you want to do.' VegasSeagull

5:36pm Thu 23 Jan 14

tug509 says...

Good morning Vegas .
I`m sure none of us would presume to know Oscar`s knowledge of British players or their availability,i`m equally sure ,your right that NJ was brought in to help in that respect ,but surely OG would at least look at a few video`s of a player ,such as Lita before agreeing to his loan ,that is why i find it hard to believe he had any say in the matter ,as a result we paid out good money for a player ,that was never lightly to be used ,and were still a player short in the squad ,but with no funds to get another !.

I read somewhere the other day that Oscar was given a list of, possible and affordable targets to choose from ,i hope this is wrong ,as i would like to see OG build his own team ,tell NJ what he has in mind ,and go through the videos of players that fit the type ,then approach B&B for the required funds if available ! obviously NJ will have input on new signings ,but i cant see him having a greater influence than OG purely because of his "local knowledge".

Something else that bothers me is ,OG (from the little we have heard from him ) comes across as the sort of man to say only what he means ,and that is why i choose to believe him when he says ,he didn`t want to lose AB or AEA ,which if true ,means someone else made that call for him ,and that would be worrying !. I am still hopeing we will see some of Oscar`s continental flair some time in the near future !. UTA
Good morning Vegas . I`m sure none of us would presume to know Oscar`s knowledge of British players or their availability,i`m equally sure ,your right that NJ was brought in to help in that respect ,but surely OG would at least look at a few video`s of a player ,such as Lita before agreeing to his loan ,that is why i find it hard to believe he had any say in the matter ,as a result we paid out good money for a player ,that was never lightly to be used ,and were still a player short in the squad ,but with no funds to get another !. I read somewhere the other day that Oscar was given a list of, possible and affordable targets to choose from ,i hope this is wrong ,as i would like to see OG build his own team ,tell NJ what he has in mind ,and go through the videos of players that fit the type ,then approach B&B for the required funds if available ! obviously NJ will have input on new signings ,but i cant see him having a greater influence than OG purely because of his "local knowledge". Something else that bothers me is ,OG (from the little we have heard from him ) comes across as the sort of man to say only what he means ,and that is why i choose to believe him when he says ,he didn`t want to lose AB or AEA ,which if true ,means someone else made that call for him ,and that would be worrying !. I am still hopeing we will see some of Oscar`s continental flair some time in the near future !. UTA tug509

5:54pm Thu 23 Jan 14

tug509 says...

Chi Gull wrote:
I am with you Vegas rather than Tug. None of us know exactly how things work in detail. In most clubs the manager/coach says where the team need strengthening, what sort of player they want, and would probably come up with a few players they have seen who might fit the bill. There will then be someone at the club tasked with sourcing players and thrashing out deals - in our case Burke.One would expect them to make sure the manager/coach was happy with a proposed signing before chasing them. They will be trying to get the players the manager/coach wants within whatever budget the Directors/Executive have agreed. I haven't seen anything that suggests our club is doing things any differently but neither have I seen anything that explains how it is actually working. Ultimately it is for B&B to set the financial limits within which the club operates. I imagine Burke/OG only need to refer back to B&B if they want to do something outside of those limits. B&B may want to give the final say on the larger deals. If that's how it works I dont have a problem. It would just be good if someone at the club actually told us how it is working. All we know is it wasn't working with Gus.
That is exactly what i said !!!!.
[quote][p][bold]Chi Gull[/bold] wrote: I am with you Vegas rather than Tug. None of us know exactly how things work in detail. In most clubs the manager/coach says where the team need strengthening, what sort of player they want, and would probably come up with a few players they have seen who might fit the bill. There will then be someone at the club tasked with sourcing players and thrashing out deals - in our case Burke.One would expect them to make sure the manager/coach was happy with a proposed signing before chasing them. They will be trying to get the players the manager/coach wants within whatever budget the Directors/Executive have agreed. I haven't seen anything that suggests our club is doing things any differently but neither have I seen anything that explains how it is actually working. Ultimately it is for B&B to set the financial limits within which the club operates. I imagine Burke/OG only need to refer back to B&B if they want to do something outside of those limits. B&B may want to give the final say on the larger deals. If that's how it works I dont have a problem. It would just be good if someone at the club actually told us how it is working. All we know is it wasn't working with Gus.[/p][/quote]That is exactly what i said !!!!. tug509

5:56pm Thu 23 Jan 14

VegasSeagull says...

tug509 wrote:
Good morning Vegas .
I`m sure none of us would presume to know Oscar`s knowledge of British players or their availability,i`m equally sure ,your right that NJ was brought in to help in that respect ,but surely OG would at least look at a few video`s of a player ,such as Lita before agreeing to his loan ,that is why i find it hard to believe he had any say in the matter ,as a result we paid out good money for a player ,that was never lightly to be used ,and were still a player short in the squad ,but with no funds to get another !.

I read somewhere the other day that Oscar was given a list of, possible and affordable targets to choose from ,i hope this is wrong ,as i would like to see OG build his own team ,tell NJ what he has in mind ,and go through the videos of players that fit the type ,then approach B&B for the required funds if available ! obviously NJ will have input on new signings ,but i cant see him having a greater influence than OG purely because of his "local knowledge".

Something else that bothers me is ,OG (from the little we have heard from him ) comes across as the sort of man to say only what he means ,and that is why i choose to believe him when he says ,he didn`t want to lose AB or AEA ,which if true ,means someone else made that call for him ,and that would be worrying !. I am still hopeing we will see some of Oscar`s continental flair some time in the near future !. UTA
The problem is Tug, we just don't know what the deal is regarding signing or selling players. Lita came in as cover for Barnes, at that time he was our only fit striker, Barnes didn't get injured or banned so Lita didn't get a look in, for me that was a good thing as Barnes carried his responsibilities well during that period.
If Oscar identifies three areas that he wants to strengthen and passes this request to Burke, and then Burke comes back with a list of players that we an afford to buy, that would seem right to me. My wish would be that Oscar would review written reports and videos of the players and make his choice, and then Burke tries to get the targets, and I would expect that something like that does indeed occur, I don't see how Barber would play a role, the transfer budget is already set, as is the wage structure. Only selling a player, or players, would alter that budget but probably would not change the wage structure policy.

I think you will see some Oscar inspired signings next season, maybe even one or more in this window, if they are foreign.

When Bridcutt goes Oscar will say that he didn't want to lose him.
[quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: Good morning Vegas . I`m sure none of us would presume to know Oscar`s knowledge of British players or their availability,i`m equally sure ,your right that NJ was brought in to help in that respect ,but surely OG would at least look at a few video`s of a player ,such as Lita before agreeing to his loan ,that is why i find it hard to believe he had any say in the matter ,as a result we paid out good money for a player ,that was never lightly to be used ,and were still a player short in the squad ,but with no funds to get another !. I read somewhere the other day that Oscar was given a list of, possible and affordable targets to choose from ,i hope this is wrong ,as i would like to see OG build his own team ,tell NJ what he has in mind ,and go through the videos of players that fit the type ,then approach B&B for the required funds if available ! obviously NJ will have input on new signings ,but i cant see him having a greater influence than OG purely because of his "local knowledge". Something else that bothers me is ,OG (from the little we have heard from him ) comes across as the sort of man to say only what he means ,and that is why i choose to believe him when he says ,he didn`t want to lose AB or AEA ,which if true ,means someone else made that call for him ,and that would be worrying !. I am still hopeing we will see some of Oscar`s continental flair some time in the near future !. UTA[/p][/quote]The problem is Tug, we just don't know what the deal is regarding signing or selling players. Lita came in as cover for Barnes, at that time he was our only fit striker, Barnes didn't get injured or banned so Lita didn't get a look in, for me that was a good thing as Barnes carried his responsibilities well during that period. If Oscar identifies three areas that he wants to strengthen and passes this request to Burke, and then Burke comes back with a list of players that we an afford to buy, that would seem right to me. My wish would be that Oscar would review written reports and videos of the players and make his choice, and then Burke tries to get the targets, and I would expect that something like that does indeed occur, I don't see how Barber would play a role, the transfer budget is already set, as is the wage structure. Only selling a player, or players, would alter that budget but probably would not change the wage structure policy. I think you will see some Oscar inspired signings next season, maybe even one or more in this window, if they are foreign. When Bridcutt goes Oscar will say that he didn't want to lose him. VegasSeagull

6:12pm Thu 23 Jan 14

championshipgull says...

Maksi got some great experience at Yeovil last season and Kilmarnock are playing Celtic next week so some more experience to be had there. I saw him play together with Chicksen in the same DS team last November and he looked like a first teamer to me. I am thinking this is only a short term loan (rather than rest of the season) or we have got some incoming.
Maksi got some great experience at Yeovil last season and Kilmarnock are playing Celtic next week so some more experience to be had there. I saw him play together with Chicksen in the same DS team last November and he looked like a first teamer to me. I am thinking this is only a short term loan (rather than rest of the season) or we have got some incoming. championshipgull

6:14pm Thu 23 Jan 14

kwaidam says...

Tug, Far Gull. Keep the faith and keep posting. You are not alone.
Tug, Far Gull. Keep the faith and keep posting. You are not alone. kwaidam

6:25pm Thu 23 Jan 14

tug509 says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
tug509 wrote:
Good morning Vegas .
I`m sure none of us would presume to know Oscar`s knowledge of British players or their availability,i`m equally sure ,your right that NJ was brought in to help in that respect ,but surely OG would at least look at a few video`s of a player ,such as Lita before agreeing to his loan ,that is why i find it hard to believe he had any say in the matter ,as a result we paid out good money for a player ,that was never lightly to be used ,and were still a player short in the squad ,but with no funds to get another !.

I read somewhere the other day that Oscar was given a list of, possible and affordable targets to choose from ,i hope this is wrong ,as i would like to see OG build his own team ,tell NJ what he has in mind ,and go through the videos of players that fit the type ,then approach B&B for the required funds if available ! obviously NJ will have input on new signings ,but i cant see him having a greater influence than OG purely because of his "local knowledge".

Something else that bothers me is ,OG (from the little we have heard from him ) comes across as the sort of man to say only what he means ,and that is why i choose to believe him when he says ,he didn`t want to lose AB or AEA ,which if true ,means someone else made that call for him ,and that would be worrying !. I am still hopeing we will see some of Oscar`s continental flair some time in the near future !. UTA
The problem is Tug, we just don't know what the deal is regarding signing or selling players. Lita came in as cover for Barnes, at that time he was our only fit striker, Barnes didn't get injured or banned so Lita didn't get a look in, for me that was a good thing as Barnes carried his responsibilities well during that period.
If Oscar identifies three areas that he wants to strengthen and passes this request to Burke, and then Burke comes back with a list of players that we an afford to buy, that would seem right to me. My wish would be that Oscar would review written reports and videos of the players and make his choice, and then Burke tries to get the targets, and I would expect that something like that does indeed occur, I don't see how Barber would play a role, the transfer budget is already set, as is the wage structure. Only selling a player, or players, would alter that budget but probably would not change the wage structure policy.

I think you will see some Oscar inspired signings next season, maybe even one or more in this window, if they are foreign.

When Bridcutt goes Oscar will say that he didn't want to lose him.
Quite right ,of course we dont know what the deal is regarding signing or selling players ,thats a given ,if we did there would be no grey areas and no debate .The reason we expend our time and energy on hypertheticals ,is our love for The Albion ,simple as that . UTA
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: Good morning Vegas . I`m sure none of us would presume to know Oscar`s knowledge of British players or their availability,i`m equally sure ,your right that NJ was brought in to help in that respect ,but surely OG would at least look at a few video`s of a player ,such as Lita before agreeing to his loan ,that is why i find it hard to believe he had any say in the matter ,as a result we paid out good money for a player ,that was never lightly to be used ,and were still a player short in the squad ,but with no funds to get another !. I read somewhere the other day that Oscar was given a list of, possible and affordable targets to choose from ,i hope this is wrong ,as i would like to see OG build his own team ,tell NJ what he has in mind ,and go through the videos of players that fit the type ,then approach B&B for the required funds if available ! obviously NJ will have input on new signings ,but i cant see him having a greater influence than OG purely because of his "local knowledge". Something else that bothers me is ,OG (from the little we have heard from him ) comes across as the sort of man to say only what he means ,and that is why i choose to believe him when he says ,he didn`t want to lose AB or AEA ,which if true ,means someone else made that call for him ,and that would be worrying !. I am still hopeing we will see some of Oscar`s continental flair some time in the near future !. UTA[/p][/quote]The problem is Tug, we just don't know what the deal is regarding signing or selling players. Lita came in as cover for Barnes, at that time he was our only fit striker, Barnes didn't get injured or banned so Lita didn't get a look in, for me that was a good thing as Barnes carried his responsibilities well during that period. If Oscar identifies three areas that he wants to strengthen and passes this request to Burke, and then Burke comes back with a list of players that we an afford to buy, that would seem right to me. My wish would be that Oscar would review written reports and videos of the players and make his choice, and then Burke tries to get the targets, and I would expect that something like that does indeed occur, I don't see how Barber would play a role, the transfer budget is already set, as is the wage structure. Only selling a player, or players, would alter that budget but probably would not change the wage structure policy. I think you will see some Oscar inspired signings next season, maybe even one or more in this window, if they are foreign. When Bridcutt goes Oscar will say that he didn't want to lose him.[/p][/quote]Quite right ,of course we dont know what the deal is regarding signing or selling players ,thats a given ,if we did there would be no grey areas and no debate .The reason we expend our time and energy on hypertheticals ,is our love for The Albion ,simple as that . UTA tug509

6:34pm Thu 23 Jan 14

VegasSeagull says...

Spot on Tug
Spot on Tug VegasSeagull

6:51pm Thu 23 Jan 14

Ringmer Rich says...

If Palace want Buckley, then they should pay big time. If Zaha was worth 8 million then Buckley is worth at least 6 million. I would also set the fee of Ulloa at 7 million.
If Palace want Buckley, then they should pay big time. If Zaha was worth 8 million then Buckley is worth at least 6 million. I would also set the fee of Ulloa at 7 million. Ringmer Rich

7:21pm Thu 23 Jan 14

Neville says...

I think one of the main problems in attracting players is that they want to be guaranteed a playing spot,little point on loan players or others coming and not being picked,they obviously want to be playing to earn a contract or attract other interest.
Regarding FFP I read an article a couple of days ago where Mourinho felt it unklikely that the FA would really hit a team hard either financially or penalty wise,more a case of treading gently to start with,certainly for the Premiership, aware of the financial clout of the top clubs,who still harbour thoughts of a European super league.
I think one of the main problems in attracting players is that they want to be guaranteed a playing spot,little point on loan players or others coming and not being picked,they obviously want to be playing to earn a contract or attract other interest. Regarding FFP I read an article a couple of days ago where Mourinho felt it unklikely that the FA would really hit a team hard either financially or penalty wise,more a case of treading gently to start with,certainly for the Premiership, aware of the financial clout of the top clubs,who still harbour thoughts of a European super league. Neville

7:27pm Thu 23 Jan 14

VegasSeagull says...

Ringmer Rich wrote:
If Palace want Buckley, then they should pay big time. If Zaha was worth 8 million then Buckley is worth at least 6 million. I would also set the fee of Ulloa at 7 million.
The only problem with he is, Zaha wasn't, and isn't worth what United paid for him, as events have shown. Palace got a fantastic price for Zaha, even if we ignore the add ons.
[quote][p][bold]Ringmer Rich[/bold] wrote: If Palace want Buckley, then they should pay big time. If Zaha was worth 8 million then Buckley is worth at least 6 million. I would also set the fee of Ulloa at 7 million.[/p][/quote]The only problem with he is, Zaha wasn't, and isn't worth what United paid for him, as events have shown. Palace got a fantastic price for Zaha, even if we ignore the add ons. VegasSeagull

7:31pm Thu 23 Jan 14

VegasSeagull says...

Neville wrote:
I think one of the main problems in attracting players is that they want to be guaranteed a playing spot,little point on loan players or others coming and not being picked,they obviously want to be playing to earn a contract or attract other interest.
Regarding FFP I read an article a couple of days ago where Mourinho felt it unklikely that the FA would really hit a team hard either financially or penalty wise,more a case of treading gently to start with,certainly for the Premiership, aware of the financial clout of the top clubs,who still harbour thoughts of a European super league.
if you check out the BBC website they have an article that speaks of the challenges for this year, part of that article refers to the FFP and it's impact, it is suggesting that QPR could face fines totaling some 60 million. I don't think a fine of that magnitude is, 'treading lightly.'
[quote][p][bold]Neville[/bold] wrote: I think one of the main problems in attracting players is that they want to be guaranteed a playing spot,little point on loan players or others coming and not being picked,they obviously want to be playing to earn a contract or attract other interest. Regarding FFP I read an article a couple of days ago where Mourinho felt it unklikely that the FA would really hit a team hard either financially or penalty wise,more a case of treading gently to start with,certainly for the Premiership, aware of the financial clout of the top clubs,who still harbour thoughts of a European super league.[/p][/quote]if you check out the BBC website they have an article that speaks of the challenges for this year, part of that article refers to the FFP and it's impact, it is suggesting that QPR could face fines totaling some 60 million. I don't think a fine of that magnitude is, 'treading lightly.' VegasSeagull

7:32pm Thu 23 Jan 14

starlion says...

Croydon Advertiser and Evening Standard reporting that Palace looking to 'swoop' for Buckley
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Croydon Advertiser and Evening Standard reporting that Palace looking to 'swoop' for Buckley http://www.croydonad vertiser.co.uk/TRANS FER-TALK-Crystal-Pal ace-linked-Brighton- star/story-20489138- detail/story.html starlion

7:36pm Thu 23 Jan 14

WiseOldSeagull says...

Some well thought out messages tonight which is very encouraging. There are however a lot of assumptions being made by Tug but I think he's been brought round by Vegas. We really don't know much about the inner workings of the hierachy but common sense would suggest Vegas has it quite close.

I find it hard to believe that OG isn't given the final say on acquisitions if the suits have the best interests of the club at heart. They want what we all want which is a successful football club living within the laws of the game. That requires a good consensus phylosophy throughout the club with each person consulted in their expert capacity. Oscar's focus is on the team and what will get us the best results with the personnel at his disposal by training them to the best of his ability. He would also point out any weaknesses in the team and requirements/suggest
ions as to what is needed. Burke and the scouting network would use there expertise to suggest what is available and OG will make his suggestions. This would then be sent up to Barber to check that this is in line with budget constraints and we will either move forward or not.

This is only the beginning. Then there's the availability of the player, the owning teams position, the players wants and desires, the fee, agent demands etc.

We are not a rich club. We are doing things the right way within the laws of the game but that means working within certain restrictions balanced against reasonable expectations. I have every faith that we are doing things the right way but we are not privy to all of the factors that go into the decision making process.

What I hope is that we are financially sound enough to hold on to all of our players. No more out. One box to box midfielder coming in plus a Baird type player now that AEA has departed. That will give us our best hope for promotion. Hold the team together but compensate where there is an obvious need.

UTA
Some well thought out messages tonight which is very encouraging. There are however a lot of assumptions being made by Tug but I think he's been brought round by Vegas. We really don't know much about the inner workings of the hierachy but common sense would suggest Vegas has it quite close. I find it hard to believe that OG isn't given the final say on acquisitions if the suits have the best interests of the club at heart. They want what we all want which is a successful football club living within the laws of the game. That requires a good consensus phylosophy throughout the club with each person consulted in their expert capacity. Oscar's focus is on the team and what will get us the best results with the personnel at his disposal by training them to the best of his ability. He would also point out any weaknesses in the team and requirements/suggest ions as to what is needed. Burke and the scouting network would use there expertise to suggest what is available and OG will make his suggestions. This would then be sent up to Barber to check that this is in line with budget constraints and we will either move forward or not. This is only the beginning. Then there's the availability of the player, the owning teams position, the players wants and desires, the fee, agent demands etc. We are not a rich club. We are doing things the right way within the laws of the game but that means working within certain restrictions balanced against reasonable expectations. I have every faith that we are doing things the right way but we are not privy to all of the factors that go into the decision making process. What I hope is that we are financially sound enough to hold on to all of our players. No more out. One box to box midfielder coming in plus a Baird type player now that AEA has departed. That will give us our best hope for promotion. Hold the team together but compensate where there is an obvious need. UTA WiseOldSeagull

7:46pm Thu 23 Jan 14

Far gull says...

kwaidam wrote:
Tug, Far Gull. Keep the faith and keep posting. You are not alone.
Thank you kw. To many on here have had sense of humour by pass. To clear up one point Burke and Barber . Not our leader TB.
Look fully understand ffp etc . But Oscar does not appear to have,and has admitted so regarding players but fact is GP made some inspirational signings for us ,not all at great cost but Jones and burke's are average at best and will not fill our magnificent ground .
That my fellow fans will really make or break us.
I await with interest to see how clubs in 160 mill debt are going to find 60 million in fines , the fa don't have the back bone to financial bankrupt a club or make point deduction if they go up. But we will see.
[quote][p][bold]kwaidam[/bold] wrote: Tug, Far Gull. Keep the faith and keep posting. You are not alone.[/p][/quote]Thank you kw. To many on here have had sense of humour by pass. To clear up one point Burke and Barber . Not our leader TB. Look fully understand ffp etc . But Oscar does not appear to have,and has admitted so regarding players but fact is GP made some inspirational signings for us ,not all at great cost but Jones and burke's are average at best and will not fill our magnificent ground . That my fellow fans will really make or break us. I await with interest to see how clubs in 160 mill debt are going to find 60 million in fines , the fa don't have the back bone to financial bankrupt a club or make point deduction if they go up. But we will see. Far gull

7:46pm Thu 23 Jan 14

Far gull says...

kwaidam wrote:
Tug, Far Gull. Keep the faith and keep posting. You are not alone.
Thank you kw. To many on here have had sense of humour by pass. To clear up one point Burke and Barber . Not our leader TB.
Look fully understand ffp etc . But Oscar does not appear to have,and has admitted so regarding players but fact is GP made some inspirational signings for us ,not all at great cost but Jones and burke's are average at best and will not fill our magnificent ground .
That my fellow fans will really make or break us.
I await with interest to see how clubs in 160 mill debt are going to find 60 million in fines , the fa don't have the back bone to financial bankrupt a club or make point deduction if they go up. But we will see.
[quote][p][bold]kwaidam[/bold] wrote: Tug, Far Gull. Keep the faith and keep posting. You are not alone.[/p][/quote]Thank you kw. To many on here have had sense of humour by pass. To clear up one point Burke and Barber . Not our leader TB. Look fully understand ffp etc . But Oscar does not appear to have,and has admitted so regarding players but fact is GP made some inspirational signings for us ,not all at great cost but Jones and burke's are average at best and will not fill our magnificent ground . That my fellow fans will really make or break us. I await with interest to see how clubs in 160 mill debt are going to find 60 million in fines , the fa don't have the back bone to financial bankrupt a club or make point deduction if they go up. But we will see. Far gull

8:02pm Thu 23 Jan 14

Neville says...

Hi VEgas
Do you honestly believe any chairman would pay a fine of 60m that would put most clubs out of business,which the FA won,t want. FInes of that amount would make the clubs even more unviable.The FA lack backbone when it comes to dealing with top clubs.
Hi VEgas Do you honestly believe any chairman would pay a fine of 60m that would put most clubs out of business,which the FA won,t want. FInes of that amount would make the clubs even more unviable.The FA lack backbone when it comes to dealing with top clubs. Neville

8:23pm Thu 23 Jan 14

VegasSeagull says...

Neville wrote:
Hi VEgas
Do you honestly believe any chairman would pay a fine of 60m that would put most clubs out of business,which the FA won,t want. FInes of that amount would make the clubs even more unviable.The FA lack backbone when it comes to dealing with top clubs.
Clubs that get fined 60 million will do so because they have spent on expensive players, they would need to sell those players to raise some of the money to pay fines. Clubs have transfer budgets, they will need to cut their budgets. Clubs get various cup prize monies, they can be with held. Clubs will have to restructure their wages policy, save money and use the money saved to pay the fines. Clubs get money from the FL each year, that money can be with held. Clubs will have to look at all outgoings, and I mean all outgoings, save money and pay it to the fine. It might take QPR some two or three years to clear their fine if they don't get promoted, they might even be in div 2 by the time they pay the fine off, oh well. Maybe QPR will have to be sold to pay off the fine, sold to new owners that will follow the rules.

If QPR get promoted, and as I understand the rules, they will face a transfer embargo as punishment, and possibly fines on top but not 60 million, that to counter the fact that the big money gained from promotion will solve their fines issue. How long do you think QPR would survive in the prem without being able to buy.

All the clubs know the rules, there is no excuse and no sympathy. A club will be made an example of if only to show that the rules do matter and to flout them is to ask for the most severe punishments.
[quote][p][bold]Neville[/bold] wrote: Hi VEgas Do you honestly believe any chairman would pay a fine of 60m that would put most clubs out of business,which the FA won,t want. FInes of that amount would make the clubs even more unviable.The FA lack backbone when it comes to dealing with top clubs.[/p][/quote]Clubs that get fined 60 million will do so because they have spent on expensive players, they would need to sell those players to raise some of the money to pay fines. Clubs have transfer budgets, they will need to cut their budgets. Clubs get various cup prize monies, they can be with held. Clubs will have to restructure their wages policy, save money and use the money saved to pay the fines. Clubs get money from the FL each year, that money can be with held. Clubs will have to look at all outgoings, and I mean all outgoings, save money and pay it to the fine. It might take QPR some two or three years to clear their fine if they don't get promoted, they might even be in div 2 by the time they pay the fine off, oh well. Maybe QPR will have to be sold to pay off the fine, sold to new owners that will follow the rules. If QPR get promoted, and as I understand the rules, they will face a transfer embargo as punishment, and possibly fines on top but not 60 million, that to counter the fact that the big money gained from promotion will solve their fines issue. How long do you think QPR would survive in the prem without being able to buy. All the clubs know the rules, there is no excuse and no sympathy. A club will be made an example of if only to show that the rules do matter and to flout them is to ask for the most severe punishments. VegasSeagull

8:25pm Thu 23 Jan 14

Vince says...

Ringmer Rich wrote:
If Palace want Buckley, then they should pay big time. If Zaha was worth 8 million then Buckley is worth at least 6 million. I would also set the fee of Ulloa at 7 million.
TOTALLY AGREE
[quote][p][bold]Ringmer Rich[/bold] wrote: If Palace want Buckley, then they should pay big time. If Zaha was worth 8 million then Buckley is worth at least 6 million. I would also set the fee of Ulloa at 7 million.[/p][/quote]TOTALLY AGREE Vince

8:26pm Thu 23 Jan 14

VegasSeagull says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Neville wrote:
Hi VEgas
Do you honestly believe any chairman would pay a fine of 60m that would put most clubs out of business,which the FA won,t want. FInes of that amount would make the clubs even more unviable.The FA lack backbone when it comes to dealing with top clubs.
Clubs that get fined 60 million will do so because they have spent on expensive players, they would need to sell those players to raise some of the money to pay fines. Clubs have transfer budgets, they will need to cut their budgets. Clubs get various cup prize monies, they can be with held. Clubs will have to restructure their wages policy, save money and use the money saved to pay the fines. Clubs get money from the FL each year, that money can be with held. Clubs will have to look at all outgoings, and I mean all outgoings, save money and pay it to the fine. It might take QPR some two or three years to clear their fine if they don't get promoted, they might even be in div 2 by the time they pay the fine off, oh well. Maybe QPR will have to be sold to pay off the fine, sold to new owners that will follow the rules.

If QPR get promoted, and as I understand the rules, they will face a transfer embargo as punishment, and possibly fines on top but not 60 million, that to counter the fact that the big money gained from promotion will solve their fines issue. How long do you think QPR would survive in the prem without being able to buy.

All the clubs know the rules, there is no excuse and no sympathy. A club will be made an example of if only to show that the rules do matter and to flout them is to ask for the most severe punishments.
just to add, if QPR get promoted they will probably get a new shirt sponsorship deal, more money to pay the fine with. The sponsors name will be on the shirt so they won't care how the money is used.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Neville[/bold] wrote: Hi VEgas Do you honestly believe any chairman would pay a fine of 60m that would put most clubs out of business,which the FA won,t want. FInes of that amount would make the clubs even more unviable.The FA lack backbone when it comes to dealing with top clubs.[/p][/quote]Clubs that get fined 60 million will do so because they have spent on expensive players, they would need to sell those players to raise some of the money to pay fines. Clubs have transfer budgets, they will need to cut their budgets. Clubs get various cup prize monies, they can be with held. Clubs will have to restructure their wages policy, save money and use the money saved to pay the fines. Clubs get money from the FL each year, that money can be with held. Clubs will have to look at all outgoings, and I mean all outgoings, save money and pay it to the fine. It might take QPR some two or three years to clear their fine if they don't get promoted, they might even be in div 2 by the time they pay the fine off, oh well. Maybe QPR will have to be sold to pay off the fine, sold to new owners that will follow the rules. If QPR get promoted, and as I understand the rules, they will face a transfer embargo as punishment, and possibly fines on top but not 60 million, that to counter the fact that the big money gained from promotion will solve their fines issue. How long do you think QPR would survive in the prem without being able to buy. All the clubs know the rules, there is no excuse and no sympathy. A club will be made an example of if only to show that the rules do matter and to flout them is to ask for the most severe punishments.[/p][/quote]just to add, if QPR get promoted they will probably get a new shirt sponsorship deal, more money to pay the fine with. The sponsors name will be on the shirt so they won't care how the money is used. VegasSeagull

8:35pm Thu 23 Jan 14

Neville says...

Like in business in the scenario you mention with QPR they could fold,much like bankruptcy and not pay any fines,a new consortium could restart under a new name without the inherent debts.
It's interesting that it is only the FA and no other football body doing this,Real Madrid have massive debts but underwritten by KIng of Spain,,can,t see him adhering to any fines etc lol
Like in business in the scenario you mention with QPR they could fold,much like bankruptcy and not pay any fines,a new consortium could restart under a new name without the inherent debts. It's interesting that it is only the FA and no other football body doing this,Real Madrid have massive debts but underwritten by KIng of Spain,,can,t see him adhering to any fines etc lol Neville

8:48pm Thu 23 Jan 14

ballantrrae says...

Neville wrote:
My view on this is that we should be using Matsimenko in the current squad,I saw him play once and apart from one error did well and don't see how a season move to Scotland can really benefit him and us.An international,albeit Latvian, I feel we should be using his versatility in the squad especially with Adam ElAbd gone,also he is very fit,fast and at least 6ft tall.
Good points Neville.
Currently there are 'rumours', only rumours mark you, that the equivalent of about half a team might depart in the next 8 days.
There's Bridcutt and Ulloa (Ladbroke's report) interesting Sunderland, Buckley Palace and Sunderland plus Maksimenko and Dickenson on Loan to Scottish clubs. Potentially that's £12 million fee income which ought to enable the Albion to sign a player or two.
So lots of possible exiting traffic but not much news yet of any incoming players. I suspect most of those mentioned above, with the exception of Maksimenko on loan, will still be with us when the window closes. I certainly hope so since, as we have seen recently when trying to replace Barnes, signing quality replacements is not simple. Better, much better to hold on to the quality players one has.
I still hope (hope being the operative word) that we get Conway back and sign a striker as well as an attacking midfielder in place of the injured Crofts.
[quote][p][bold]Neville[/bold] wrote: My view on this is that we should be using Matsimenko in the current squad,I saw him play once and apart from one error did well and don't see how a season move to Scotland can really benefit him and us.An international,albeit Latvian, I feel we should be using his versatility in the squad especially with Adam ElAbd gone,also he is very fit,fast and at least 6ft tall.[/p][/quote]Good points Neville. Currently there are 'rumours', only rumours mark you, that the equivalent of about half a team might depart in the next 8 days. There's Bridcutt and Ulloa (Ladbroke's report) interesting Sunderland, Buckley Palace and Sunderland plus Maksimenko and Dickenson on Loan to Scottish clubs. Potentially that's £12 million fee income which ought to enable the Albion to sign a player or two. So lots of possible exiting traffic but not much news yet of any incoming players. I suspect most of those mentioned above, with the exception of Maksimenko on loan, will still be with us when the window closes. I certainly hope so since, as we have seen recently when trying to replace Barnes, signing quality replacements is not simple. Better, much better to hold on to the quality players one has. I still hope (hope being the operative word) that we get Conway back and sign a striker as well as an attacking midfielder in place of the injured Crofts. ballantrrae

8:58pm Thu 23 Jan 14

tug509 says...

WiseOldSeagull .

There are a lot of supporters on this site that write some terrific posts ,yourself included ,there are also a lot of very similar views shared on most threads ,i am no different i share those same oppinions , but in order that i dont just regurgitate someone else`s post as my own ,i tend to play devils advocate ,and question some points ,that others are happy to leave alone or accept ,and that inevitably means making assumptions ,lets be honest ,everyone on here makes assumptions ,every post that is based on heresay or a report in a paper or another site is based on assumption .
All my posts on this thread have the same general point ,but chatting with Vegas ,made me change the way i projected it ,i wont argue with a fact ,but i`m not going to blindly accept ,in this instance ,that Oscar is solely responsible for all signings ,until The Albion say that is the case .
I do appreciate that i let my heart rule my head when it comes to our Great club ,and that can lead to biassed oppinion ,but i think Vegas has figured that out ,and seems to have plenty of patience ,but would you want a site full of clones ,personally i reckon we`ve got a decent mix . UTA
WiseOldSeagull . There are a lot of supporters on this site that write some terrific posts ,yourself included ,there are also a lot of very similar views shared on most threads ,i am no different i share those same oppinions , but in order that i dont just regurgitate someone else`s post as my own ,i tend to play devils advocate ,and question some points ,that others are happy to leave alone or accept ,and that inevitably means making assumptions ,lets be honest ,everyone on here makes assumptions ,every post that is based on heresay or a report in a paper or another site is based on assumption . All my posts on this thread have the same general point ,but chatting with Vegas ,made me change the way i projected it ,i wont argue with a fact ,but i`m not going to blindly accept ,in this instance ,that Oscar is solely responsible for all signings ,until The Albion say that is the case . I do appreciate that i let my heart rule my head when it comes to our Great club ,and that can lead to biassed oppinion ,but i think Vegas has figured that out ,and seems to have plenty of patience ,but would you want a site full of clones ,personally i reckon we`ve got a decent mix . UTA tug509

9:06pm Thu 23 Jan 14

VegasSeagull says...

tug509 wrote:
WiseOldSeagull .

There are a lot of supporters on this site that write some terrific posts ,yourself included ,there are also a lot of very similar views shared on most threads ,i am no different i share those same oppinions , but in order that i dont just regurgitate someone else`s post as my own ,i tend to play devils advocate ,and question some points ,that others are happy to leave alone or accept ,and that inevitably means making assumptions ,lets be honest ,everyone on here makes assumptions ,every post that is based on heresay or a report in a paper or another site is based on assumption .
All my posts on this thread have the same general point ,but chatting with Vegas ,made me change the way i projected it ,i wont argue with a fact ,but i`m not going to blindly accept ,in this instance ,that Oscar is solely responsible for all signings ,until The Albion say that is the case .
I do appreciate that i let my heart rule my head when it comes to our Great club ,and that can lead to biassed oppinion ,but i think Vegas has figured that out ,and seems to have plenty of patience ,but would you want a site full of clones ,personally i reckon we`ve got a decent mix . UTA
Tug it is always good to debate with you, and long may we continue to do so.

Well another day is coming to an end for you in the UK, no transfers in today, but hope springs eternal for tomorrow.
[quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: WiseOldSeagull . There are a lot of supporters on this site that write some terrific posts ,yourself included ,there are also a lot of very similar views shared on most threads ,i am no different i share those same oppinions , but in order that i dont just regurgitate someone else`s post as my own ,i tend to play devils advocate ,and question some points ,that others are happy to leave alone or accept ,and that inevitably means making assumptions ,lets be honest ,everyone on here makes assumptions ,every post that is based on heresay or a report in a paper or another site is based on assumption . All my posts on this thread have the same general point ,but chatting with Vegas ,made me change the way i projected it ,i wont argue with a fact ,but i`m not going to blindly accept ,in this instance ,that Oscar is solely responsible for all signings ,until The Albion say that is the case . I do appreciate that i let my heart rule my head when it comes to our Great club ,and that can lead to biassed oppinion ,but i think Vegas has figured that out ,and seems to have plenty of patience ,but would you want a site full of clones ,personally i reckon we`ve got a decent mix . UTA[/p][/quote]Tug it is always good to debate with you, and long may we continue to do so. Well another day is coming to an end for you in the UK, no transfers in today, but hope springs eternal for tomorrow. VegasSeagull

9:11pm Thu 23 Jan 14

Joel'sGrandad says...

Has it occurred to anyone that the Albion are going to make similar losses to last time they announced losses. This may well be why we only seem to want to sign players on frees/short term contracts and are selling players and sending others out on loan without getting adequate replacements. Also with our long term injured on the way back these are like new signings.
This might appear to be a risky strategy but maybe finances dictate.
I might be off beam on this but this might just explain our lack of activity this window.
Having said that we'll probably sign 3 players tomorrow. UTA
Has it occurred to anyone that the Albion are going to make similar losses to last time they announced losses. This may well be why we only seem to want to sign players on frees/short term contracts and are selling players and sending others out on loan without getting adequate replacements. Also with our long term injured on the way back these are like new signings. This might appear to be a risky strategy but maybe finances dictate. I might be off beam on this but this might just explain our lack of activity this window. Having said that we'll probably sign 3 players tomorrow. UTA Joel'sGrandad

9:55pm Thu 23 Jan 14

VegasSeagull says...

Joel'sGrandad wrote:
Has it occurred to anyone that the Albion are going to make similar losses to last time they announced losses. This may well be why we only seem to want to sign players on frees/short term contracts and are selling players and sending others out on loan without getting adequate replacements. Also with our long term injured on the way back these are like new signings.
This might appear to be a risky strategy but maybe finances dictate.
I might be off beam on this but this might just explain our lack of activity this window.
Having said that we'll probably sign 3 players tomorrow. UTA
Joel, Barber made some important costs cutting decisions during last summer and he attracted some new sponsors. I think I am right in saying that the club announced that they plan to shave 3 million off of last years losses, that would keep us well in line with the FFP rules. As I understood what they said, this savings would not rely on selling players.
[quote][p][bold]Joel'sGrandad[/bold] wrote: Has it occurred to anyone that the Albion are going to make similar losses to last time they announced losses. This may well be why we only seem to want to sign players on frees/short term contracts and are selling players and sending others out on loan without getting adequate replacements. Also with our long term injured on the way back these are like new signings. This might appear to be a risky strategy but maybe finances dictate. I might be off beam on this but this might just explain our lack of activity this window. Having said that we'll probably sign 3 players tomorrow. UTA[/p][/quote]Joel, Barber made some important costs cutting decisions during last summer and he attracted some new sponsors. I think I am right in saying that the club announced that they plan to shave 3 million off of last years losses, that would keep us well in line with the FFP rules. As I understood what they said, this savings would not rely on selling players. VegasSeagull

10:30pm Thu 23 Jan 14

WiseOldSeagull says...

tug509 wrote:
WiseOldSeagull .

There are a lot of supporters on this site that write some terrific posts ,yourself included ,there are also a lot of very similar views shared on most threads ,i am no different i share those same oppinions , but in order that i dont just regurgitate someone else`s post as my own ,i tend to play devils advocate ,and question some points ,that others are happy to leave alone or accept ,and that inevitably means making assumptions ,lets be honest ,everyone on here makes assumptions ,every post that is based on heresay or a report in a paper or another site is based on assumption .
All my posts on this thread have the same general point ,but chatting with Vegas ,made me change the way i projected it ,i wont argue with a fact ,but i`m not going to blindly accept ,in this instance ,that Oscar is solely responsible for all signings ,until The Albion say that is the case .
I do appreciate that i let my heart rule my head when it comes to our Great club ,and that can lead to biassed oppinion ,but i think Vegas has figured that out ,and seems to have plenty of patience ,but would you want a site full of clones ,personally i reckon we`ve got a decent mix . UTA
Agreed Tug. If u hadn't posted I wouldn't have posted. We all encourage each other which is what brings us back day after day. UTA
[quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: WiseOldSeagull . There are a lot of supporters on this site that write some terrific posts ,yourself included ,there are also a lot of very similar views shared on most threads ,i am no different i share those same oppinions , but in order that i dont just regurgitate someone else`s post as my own ,i tend to play devils advocate ,and question some points ,that others are happy to leave alone or accept ,and that inevitably means making assumptions ,lets be honest ,everyone on here makes assumptions ,every post that is based on heresay or a report in a paper or another site is based on assumption . All my posts on this thread have the same general point ,but chatting with Vegas ,made me change the way i projected it ,i wont argue with a fact ,but i`m not going to blindly accept ,in this instance ,that Oscar is solely responsible for all signings ,until The Albion say that is the case . I do appreciate that i let my heart rule my head when it comes to our Great club ,and that can lead to biassed oppinion ,but i think Vegas has figured that out ,and seems to have plenty of patience ,but would you want a site full of clones ,personally i reckon we`ve got a decent mix . UTA[/p][/quote]Agreed Tug. If u hadn't posted I wouldn't have posted. We all encourage each other which is what brings us back day after day. UTA WiseOldSeagull

1:36am Fri 24 Jan 14

Baldseagull says...

tug509 wrote:
WiseOldSeagull .

There are a lot of supporters on this site that write some terrific posts ,yourself included ,there are also a lot of very similar views shared on most threads ,i am no different i share those same oppinions , but in order that i dont just regurgitate someone else`s post as my own ,i tend to play devils advocate ,and question some points ,that others are happy to leave alone or accept ,and that inevitably means making assumptions ,lets be honest ,everyone on here makes assumptions ,every post that is based on heresay or a report in a paper or another site is based on assumption .
All my posts on this thread have the same general point ,but chatting with Vegas ,made me change the way i projected it ,i wont argue with a fact ,but i`m not going to blindly accept ,in this instance ,that Oscar is solely responsible for all signings ,until The Albion say that is the case .
I do appreciate that i let my heart rule my head when it comes to our Great club ,and that can lead to biassed oppinion ,but i think Vegas has figured that out ,and seems to have plenty of patience ,but would you want a site full of clones ,personally i reckon we`ve got a decent mix . UTA
Guess who said this Tug.

"Will he buy the players? I think it's a relationship. You have to explain to him exactly what you want and for him to look for them. I cannot do this job.
The big players I see every weekend, but to find others - well, someone needs to do it. This is our recruitment system.

We will sit down, discuss the qualities of the players, and then the club needs to make the decision on the financials. Then you come to a conclusion.
I think that's fair and I'm happy with it. I've got no issues with it whatsoever."

Gus Poyet on recruitment at Sunderland, it sounds exactly like the situation we have here to me.
[quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: WiseOldSeagull . There are a lot of supporters on this site that write some terrific posts ,yourself included ,there are also a lot of very similar views shared on most threads ,i am no different i share those same oppinions , but in order that i dont just regurgitate someone else`s post as my own ,i tend to play devils advocate ,and question some points ,that others are happy to leave alone or accept ,and that inevitably means making assumptions ,lets be honest ,everyone on here makes assumptions ,every post that is based on heresay or a report in a paper or another site is based on assumption . All my posts on this thread have the same general point ,but chatting with Vegas ,made me change the way i projected it ,i wont argue with a fact ,but i`m not going to blindly accept ,in this instance ,that Oscar is solely responsible for all signings ,until The Albion say that is the case . I do appreciate that i let my heart rule my head when it comes to our Great club ,and that can lead to biassed oppinion ,but i think Vegas has figured that out ,and seems to have plenty of patience ,but would you want a site full of clones ,personally i reckon we`ve got a decent mix . UTA[/p][/quote]Guess who said this Tug. "Will he buy the players? I think it's a relationship. You have to explain to him exactly what you want and for him to [then] look for them. I cannot do this job. The big players I see every weekend, but to find others - well, someone [else] needs to do it. This is our recruitment system. We will sit down, discuss the qualities of the players, and then the club needs to make the decision on the financials. Then you come to a conclusion. I think that's fair and I'm happy with it. I've got no issues with it whatsoever." Gus Poyet on recruitment at Sunderland, it sounds exactly like the situation we have here to me. Baldseagull

9:20am Fri 24 Jan 14

tug509 says...

Baldseagull wrote:
tug509 wrote:
WiseOldSeagull .

There are a lot of supporters on this site that write some terrific posts ,yourself included ,there are also a lot of very similar views shared on most threads ,i am no different i share those same oppinions , but in order that i dont just regurgitate someone else`s post as my own ,i tend to play devils advocate ,and question some points ,that others are happy to leave alone or accept ,and that inevitably means making assumptions ,lets be honest ,everyone on here makes assumptions ,every post that is based on heresay or a report in a paper or another site is based on assumption .
All my posts on this thread have the same general point ,but chatting with Vegas ,made me change the way i projected it ,i wont argue with a fact ,but i`m not going to blindly accept ,in this instance ,that Oscar is solely responsible for all signings ,until The Albion say that is the case .
I do appreciate that i let my heart rule my head when it comes to our Great club ,and that can lead to biassed oppinion ,but i think Vegas has figured that out ,and seems to have plenty of patience ,but would you want a site full of clones ,personally i reckon we`ve got a decent mix . UTA
Guess who said this Tug.

"Will he buy the players? I think it's a relationship. You have to explain to him exactly what you want and for him to look for them. I cannot do this job.
The big players I see every weekend, but to find others - well, someone needs to do it. This is our recruitment system.

We will sit down, discuss the qualities of the players, and then the club needs to make the decision on the financials. Then you come to a conclusion.
I think that's fair and I'm happy with it. I've got no issues with it whatsoever."

Gus Poyet on recruitment at Sunderland, it sounds exactly like the situation we have here to me.
If we have exactly the same situation at The Albion ,then i have been correct all along ,OG is not solely responsible for choosing new signings !.
I think GPs situation at S,land will suit him down to the ground ,although they`ve done well under him so far ,he would not be held responsible for the new recruits ,should they go down ,apart from any of our lads that may go north !. Besides he wanted a PL job so badly ,having to share recruitment responsibilities ,was never going to stop him .
[quote][p][bold]Baldseagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: WiseOldSeagull . There are a lot of supporters on this site that write some terrific posts ,yourself included ,there are also a lot of very similar views shared on most threads ,i am no different i share those same oppinions , but in order that i dont just regurgitate someone else`s post as my own ,i tend to play devils advocate ,and question some points ,that others are happy to leave alone or accept ,and that inevitably means making assumptions ,lets be honest ,everyone on here makes assumptions ,every post that is based on heresay or a report in a paper or another site is based on assumption . All my posts on this thread have the same general point ,but chatting with Vegas ,made me change the way i projected it ,i wont argue with a fact ,but i`m not going to blindly accept ,in this instance ,that Oscar is solely responsible for all signings ,until The Albion say that is the case . I do appreciate that i let my heart rule my head when it comes to our Great club ,and that can lead to biassed oppinion ,but i think Vegas has figured that out ,and seems to have plenty of patience ,but would you want a site full of clones ,personally i reckon we`ve got a decent mix . UTA[/p][/quote]Guess who said this Tug. "Will he buy the players? I think it's a relationship. You have to explain to him exactly what you want and for him to [then] look for them. I cannot do this job. The big players I see every weekend, but to find others - well, someone [else] needs to do it. This is our recruitment system. We will sit down, discuss the qualities of the players, and then the club needs to make the decision on the financials. Then you come to a conclusion. I think that's fair and I'm happy with it. I've got no issues with it whatsoever." Gus Poyet on recruitment at Sunderland, it sounds exactly like the situation we have here to me.[/p][/quote]If we have exactly the same situation at The Albion ,then i have been correct all along ,OG is not solely responsible for choosing new signings !. I think GPs situation at S,land will suit him down to the ground ,although they`ve done well under him so far ,he would not be held responsible for the new recruits ,should they go down ,apart from any of our lads that may go north !. Besides he wanted a PL job so badly ,having to share recruitment responsibilities ,was never going to stop him . tug509

10:06am Fri 24 Jan 14

Baldseagull says...

tug509 wrote:
Baldseagull wrote:
tug509 wrote:
WiseOldSeagull .

There are a lot of supporters on this site that write some terrific posts ,yourself included ,there are also a lot of very similar views shared on most threads ,i am no different i share those same oppinions , but in order that i dont just regurgitate someone else`s post as my own ,i tend to play devils advocate ,and question some points ,that others are happy to leave alone or accept ,and that inevitably means making assumptions ,lets be honest ,everyone on here makes assumptions ,every post that is based on heresay or a report in a paper or another site is based on assumption .
All my posts on this thread have the same general point ,but chatting with Vegas ,made me change the way i projected it ,i wont argue with a fact ,but i`m not going to blindly accept ,in this instance ,that Oscar is solely responsible for all signings ,until The Albion say that is the case .
I do appreciate that i let my heart rule my head when it comes to our Great club ,and that can lead to biassed oppinion ,but i think Vegas has figured that out ,and seems to have plenty of patience ,but would you want a site full of clones ,personally i reckon we`ve got a decent mix . UTA
Guess who said this Tug.

"Will he buy the players? I think it's a relationship. You have to explain to him exactly what you want and for him to look for them. I cannot do this job.
The big players I see every weekend, but to find others - well, someone needs to do it. This is our recruitment system.

We will sit down, discuss the qualities of the players, and then the club needs to make the decision on the financials. Then you come to a conclusion.
I think that's fair and I'm happy with it. I've got no issues with it whatsoever."

Gus Poyet on recruitment at Sunderland, it sounds exactly like the situation we have here to me.
If we have exactly the same situation at The Albion ,then i have been correct all along ,OG is not solely responsible for choosing new signings !.
I think GPs situation at S,land will suit him down to the ground ,although they`ve done well under him so far ,he would not be held responsible for the new recruits ,should they go down ,apart from any of our lads that may go north !. Besides he wanted a PL job so badly ,having to share recruitment responsibilities ,was never going to stop him .
Of course Oscar is not solely responsible, what did you think Burke does?
Oscar does not have players forced upon him though, he is not told to include certain players in any particular game, as was rumoured to have happened to McGhee under DK.
With regards to Lita, one of the reasons he came on loan, and not one of the other players that was looked at, was that Swansea did not want to add a guarantee that he would play into the deal. The club did not want to bring a player in that Oscar was contractually obliged to play, so far from it being that Lita was forced on Oscar, he was chosen precisely because he would NOT be forced to play him. As has been said, Barnes did well enough and stayed fit so Oscar did not need to play Lita.
What I think is telling though is Gus saying " I cannot do this job", if he can't do it at Sunderland why does everyone assume that he did do it at Brighton, and that all the players that came in during his reign were "his" signings?
We may be less enamored with dealings done since Gus left than those done whilst he was here, but I believe this is due to the financial constraints that Gus knew were coming, not because Burke is doing the deals without input from the Head Coach.
I think the situation here suits Oscar down to the ground too.
[quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baldseagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: WiseOldSeagull . There are a lot of supporters on this site that write some terrific posts ,yourself included ,there are also a lot of very similar views shared on most threads ,i am no different i share those same oppinions , but in order that i dont just regurgitate someone else`s post as my own ,i tend to play devils advocate ,and question some points ,that others are happy to leave alone or accept ,and that inevitably means making assumptions ,lets be honest ,everyone on here makes assumptions ,every post that is based on heresay or a report in a paper or another site is based on assumption . All my posts on this thread have the same general point ,but chatting with Vegas ,made me change the way i projected it ,i wont argue with a fact ,but i`m not going to blindly accept ,in this instance ,that Oscar is solely responsible for all signings ,until The Albion say that is the case . I do appreciate that i let my heart rule my head when it comes to our Great club ,and that can lead to biassed oppinion ,but i think Vegas has figured that out ,and seems to have plenty of patience ,but would you want a site full of clones ,personally i reckon we`ve got a decent mix . UTA[/p][/quote]Guess who said this Tug. "Will he buy the players? I think it's a relationship. You have to explain to him exactly what you want and for him to [then] look for them. I cannot do this job. The big players I see every weekend, but to find others - well, someone [else] needs to do it. This is our recruitment system. We will sit down, discuss the qualities of the players, and then the club needs to make the decision on the financials. Then you come to a conclusion. I think that's fair and I'm happy with it. I've got no issues with it whatsoever." Gus Poyet on recruitment at Sunderland, it sounds exactly like the situation we have here to me.[/p][/quote]If we have exactly the same situation at The Albion ,then i have been correct all along ,OG is not solely responsible for choosing new signings !. I think GPs situation at S,land will suit him down to the ground ,although they`ve done well under him so far ,he would not be held responsible for the new recruits ,should they go down ,apart from any of our lads that may go north !. Besides he wanted a PL job so badly ,having to share recruitment responsibilities ,was never going to stop him .[/p][/quote]Of course Oscar is not solely responsible, what did you think Burke does? Oscar does not have players forced upon him though, he is not told to include certain players in any particular game, as was rumoured to have happened to McGhee under DK. With regards to Lita, one of the reasons he came on loan, and not one of the other players that was looked at, was that Swansea did not want to add a guarantee that he would play into the deal. The club did not want to bring a player in that Oscar was contractually obliged to play, so far from it being that Lita was forced on Oscar, he was chosen precisely because he would NOT be forced to play him. As has been said, Barnes did well enough and stayed fit so Oscar did not need to play Lita. What I think is telling though is Gus saying " I cannot do this job", if he can't do it at Sunderland why does everyone assume that he did do it at Brighton, and that all the players that came in during his reign were "his" signings? We may be less enamored with dealings done since Gus left than those done whilst he was here, but I believe this is due to the financial constraints that Gus knew were coming, not because Burke is doing the deals without input from the Head Coach. I think the situation here suits Oscar down to the ground too. Baldseagull

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