Transfer window watch: Albion miss out on transfer target

The Argus: Shaun Williams Shaun Williams

Albion have lost out to Millwall in their duel to sign versatile Irishman Shaun Williams from MK Dons.

The Argus understands Williams has agreed to join Ian Holloway's side and will sign for them on Monday subject to a medical.

The 27-year-old, who can play at centre-half or in midfield, had talks with Albion this morning but had already made his mind up to go to Millwall after both clubs agreed a fee with MK Dons of around £250,000.

It is another setback for Albion in what has so far been a difficult January transfer window.

They have lost Ashley Barnes and Adam El-Abd to Burnley and Bristol City respectively, as well as Andrew Crofts to injury.

Lewis Grabban, the Seagulls' No. 1 target to replace Barnes up front, decided to re-sign for Bournemouth instead.

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5:50pm Sat 25 Jan 14

Chi Gull says...

Just at this particular moment I don't really care that we have 'missed out'.

I think it could be a couple of higher profile players on 3 month loans from PL clubs? A bit like Upson last season.
Just at this particular moment I don't really care that we have 'missed out'. I think it could be a couple of higher profile players on 3 month loans from PL clubs? A bit like Upson last season. Chi Gull

5:51pm Sat 25 Jan 14

VegasSeagull says...

I have offered my opinion on this transfer outcome on a different thread but just to reiterate, we are looking for promotion and this player would not fit into any prem level team, had he signed I feel sure that it would have been on a short contract.
Millwall are close to a relegation fight and will no doubt have use for this player over the next few seasons, with us he might only have lasted until the end of this season.
I am pretty confident that the player weighed up what was best for him in the coming two or three years and accepted the fact that with us he really didn't have a two or three year future. The fact that he had reportedly made his mind up even before speaking to us about terms, kinda tells you all you need to know.
If we are going to win transfer battles with other clubs, as Tug says, we need to go for those that feel they can progress with us all the way to the top and not be a bench warmer. Forget signing players for 250K, add a million to that figure and go for real quality, if our funds allow.
I have offered my opinion on this transfer outcome on a different thread but just to reiterate, we are looking for promotion and this player would not fit into any prem level team, had he signed I feel sure that it would have been on a short contract. Millwall are close to a relegation fight and will no doubt have use for this player over the next few seasons, with us he might only have lasted until the end of this season. I am pretty confident that the player weighed up what was best for him in the coming two or three years and accepted the fact that with us he really didn't have a two or three year future. The fact that he had reportedly made his mind up even before speaking to us about terms, kinda tells you all you need to know. If we are going to win transfer battles with other clubs, as Tug says, we need to go for those that feel they can progress with us all the way to the top and not be a bench warmer. Forget signing players for 250K, add a million to that figure and go for real quality, if our funds allow. VegasSeagull

5:52pm Sat 25 Jan 14

sloughseagull says...

3 places for promotion, think its safe to say Liecester have one of those and the other is between QPR, Burnley, Derby , Nottm Forest and Reading with one of those winning the playoffs. we don't have the squad nor do we have the resources for promotion this year. So Williams wants to sign for Millwall, probably guaranteed first team football every match and wants to play football every week and who can blame him. We need to consolidate and let Oscar build his own team for next season. I for one will be happy for a top 10 finish. UTA
3 places for promotion, think its safe to say Liecester have one of those and the other is between QPR, Burnley, Derby , Nottm Forest and Reading with one of those winning the playoffs. we don't have the squad nor do we have the resources for promotion this year. So Williams wants to sign for Millwall, probably guaranteed first team football every match and wants to play football every week and who can blame him. We need to consolidate and let Oscar build his own team for next season. I for one will be happy for a top 10 finish. UTA sloughseagull

5:52pm Sat 25 Jan 14

namgo49 says...

I agree. We should not get too hung up about signings. We have some good players still coming through and let's keep the money in the Bank ready for the summer.
I agree. We should not get too hung up about signings. We have some good players still coming through and let's keep the money in the Bank ready for the summer. namgo49

6:00pm Sat 25 Jan 14

Albion In Staffs says...

sloughseagull wrote:
3 places for promotion, think its safe to say Liecester have one of those and the other is between QPR, Burnley, Derby , Nottm Forest and Reading with one of those winning the playoffs. we don't have the squad nor do we have the resources for promotion this year. So Williams wants to sign for Millwall, probably guaranteed first team football every match and wants to play football every week and who can blame him. We need to consolidate and let Oscar build his own team for next season. I for one will be happy for a top 10 finish. UTA
Agree. Holloway will have done a job on him about sitting on his backside on the bench for us, against playing first team football and 'developing' with them. Fair play to Holloway if that's the case, but like most, I don't see this as a major 'miss'.
[quote][p][bold]sloughseagull[/bold] wrote: 3 places for promotion, think its safe to say Liecester have one of those and the other is between QPR, Burnley, Derby , Nottm Forest and Reading with one of those winning the playoffs. we don't have the squad nor do we have the resources for promotion this year. So Williams wants to sign for Millwall, probably guaranteed first team football every match and wants to play football every week and who can blame him. We need to consolidate and let Oscar build his own team for next season. I for one will be happy for a top 10 finish. UTA[/p][/quote]Agree. Holloway will have done a job on him about sitting on his backside on the bench for us, against playing first team football and 'developing' with them. Fair play to Holloway if that's the case, but like most, I don't see this as a major 'miss'. Albion In Staffs

6:04pm Sat 25 Jan 14

Ken from Beamish says...

I think this signing is more about the persuasiveness of Holloway than anything else. Poyet had a similar personality whereas Oscar seems to be very much on the back foot in terms of pushing for players to come to the Albion .....even to the extent that players (Andrews/Bruno) are asking the Board for help. Let's hope next week sees some major signings to give Oscar a fair chance of competing with other managers at the top end of the table. Presumably OG agreed to let Barnes go on the premise that Grabban would come. He now needs support from Bloom and Barber to help him maximise the potential of this group of players.
I think this signing is more about the persuasiveness of Holloway than anything else. Poyet had a similar personality whereas Oscar seems to be very much on the back foot in terms of pushing for players to come to the Albion .....even to the extent that players (Andrews/Bruno) are asking the Board for help. Let's hope next week sees some major signings to give Oscar a fair chance of competing with other managers at the top end of the table. Presumably OG agreed to let Barnes go on the premise that Grabban would come. He now needs support from Bloom and Barber to help him maximise the potential of this group of players. Ken from Beamish

6:09pm Sat 25 Jan 14

SonnyJim55 says...

there will not be any 'major' signings, the board do not want to spend money to make that extra push. Its loans or development players only, that is why Gus left. And the same old excuse is trotted out, FFP!
there will not be any 'major' signings, the board do not want to spend money to make that extra push. Its loans or development players only, that is why Gus left. And the same old excuse is trotted out, FFP! SonnyJim55

6:12pm Sat 25 Jan 14

Neville says...

No suprises in that decision,players don't want to come and warm the bench until the end of the season on less money.
No suprises in that decision,players don't want to come and warm the bench until the end of the season on less money. Neville

6:15pm Sat 25 Jan 14

PressBoxTeaBoy says...

Troubling times at the Amex? Lost our ambition? Whats going on?

Players dont seem to want to come here?
Even lesser lower league players are turning us down?
We're being turned down for clubs with lesser resources and weaker futures?.
Why are we going after so many of the above?
Does this mean we're building for the championship again?
Why would we have wanted Grabban, average Lge One/Championship?
What happened to Oscar's Barca and Spanish contacts?
Who really is making these player target choices?
What exactly is our plan here?
Is Bridcutt following Barnes out the door?
"If" Bridcutt goes, and the club will know that right now, wouldn't we at least be chasing some more heavyweight targets with the planned proceeds from Bridcutt?
Maybe we're not chasing anyone decent because Bridcutt will nit be allowed to go? (That would be daft in my mind).

Are we destined to be what Gus was running away from, a healthy sustainable business project that lacks the ability to follow ambition and actually be capable of promotion. Has the money angle completely trumped the football angle?

Answers on a postcard please ..............
Troubling times at the Amex? Lost our ambition? Whats going on? Players dont seem to want to come here? Even lesser lower league players are turning us down? We're being turned down for clubs with lesser resources and weaker futures?. Why are we going after so many of the above? Does this mean we're building for the championship again? Why would we have wanted Grabban, average Lge One/Championship? What happened to Oscar's Barca and Spanish contacts? Who really is making these player target choices? What exactly is our plan here? Is Bridcutt following Barnes out the door? "If" Bridcutt goes, and the club will know that right now, wouldn't we at least be chasing some more heavyweight targets with the planned proceeds from Bridcutt? Maybe we're not chasing anyone decent because Bridcutt will nit be allowed to go? (That would be daft in my mind). Are we destined to be what Gus was running away from, a healthy sustainable business project that lacks the ability to follow ambition and actually be capable of promotion. Has the money angle completely trumped the football angle? Answers on a postcard please .............. PressBoxTeaBoy

6:18pm Sat 25 Jan 14

WiseOldSeagull says...

Pennant is a free agent. Cover for when Bucker moves?
Pennant is a free agent. Cover for when Bucker moves? WiseOldSeagull

6:23pm Sat 25 Jan 14

kwaidam says...

PressBoxTeaBoy wrote:
Troubling times at the Amex? Lost our ambition? Whats going on?

Players dont seem to want to come here?
Even lesser lower league players are turning us down?
We're being turned down for clubs with lesser resources and weaker futures?.
Why are we going after so many of the above?
Does this mean we're building for the championship again?
Why would we have wanted Grabban, average Lge One/Championship?
What happened to Oscar's Barca and Spanish contacts?
Who really is making these player target choices?
What exactly is our plan here?
Is Bridcutt following Barnes out the door?
"If" Bridcutt goes, and the club will know that right now, wouldn't we at least be chasing some more heavyweight targets with the planned proceeds from Bridcutt?
Maybe we're not chasing anyone decent because Bridcutt will nit be allowed to go? (That would be daft in my mind).

Are we destined to be what Gus was running away from, a healthy sustainable business project that lacks the ability to follow ambition and actually be capable of promotion. Has the money angle completely trumped the football angle?

Answers on a postcard please ..............
Excellent and fair points very well made.
Burke and Barbara are the only ones who can send you a postcard with the answers.
[quote][p][bold]PressBoxTeaBoy[/bold] wrote: Troubling times at the Amex? Lost our ambition? Whats going on? Players dont seem to want to come here? Even lesser lower league players are turning us down? We're being turned down for clubs with lesser resources and weaker futures?. Why are we going after so many of the above? Does this mean we're building for the championship again? Why would we have wanted Grabban, average Lge One/Championship? What happened to Oscar's Barca and Spanish contacts? Who really is making these player target choices? What exactly is our plan here? Is Bridcutt following Barnes out the door? "If" Bridcutt goes, and the club will know that right now, wouldn't we at least be chasing some more heavyweight targets with the planned proceeds from Bridcutt? Maybe we're not chasing anyone decent because Bridcutt will nit be allowed to go? (That would be daft in my mind). Are we destined to be what Gus was running away from, a healthy sustainable business project that lacks the ability to follow ambition and actually be capable of promotion. Has the money angle completely trumped the football angle? Answers on a postcard please ..............[/p][/quote]Excellent and fair points very well made. Burke and Barbara are the only ones who can send you a postcard with the answers. kwaidam

6:25pm Sat 25 Jan 14

SMF20 says...

PressBoxTeaBoy wrote:
Troubling times at the Amex? Lost our ambition? Whats going on?

Players dont seem to want to come here?
Even lesser lower league players are turning us down?
We're being turned down for clubs with lesser resources and weaker futures?.
Why are we going after so many of the above?
Does this mean we're building for the championship again?
Why would we have wanted Grabban, average Lge One/Championship?
What happened to Oscar's Barca and Spanish contacts?
Who really is making these player target choices?
What exactly is our plan here?
Is Bridcutt following Barnes out the door?
"If" Bridcutt goes, and the club will know that right now, wouldn't we at least be chasing some more heavyweight targets with the planned proceeds from Bridcutt?
Maybe we're not chasing anyone decent because Bridcutt will nit be allowed to go? (That would be daft in my mind).

Are we destined to be what Gus was running away from, a healthy sustainable business project that lacks the ability to follow ambition and actually be capable of promotion. Has the money angle completely trumped the football angle?

Answers on a postcard please ..............
Exceptional post PBTB.... I have exactly the same thoughts.
[quote][p][bold]PressBoxTeaBoy[/bold] wrote: Troubling times at the Amex? Lost our ambition? Whats going on? Players dont seem to want to come here? Even lesser lower league players are turning us down? We're being turned down for clubs with lesser resources and weaker futures?. Why are we going after so many of the above? Does this mean we're building for the championship again? Why would we have wanted Grabban, average Lge One/Championship? What happened to Oscar's Barca and Spanish contacts? Who really is making these player target choices? What exactly is our plan here? Is Bridcutt following Barnes out the door? "If" Bridcutt goes, and the club will know that right now, wouldn't we at least be chasing some more heavyweight targets with the planned proceeds from Bridcutt? Maybe we're not chasing anyone decent because Bridcutt will nit be allowed to go? (That would be daft in my mind). Are we destined to be what Gus was running away from, a healthy sustainable business project that lacks the ability to follow ambition and actually be capable of promotion. Has the money angle completely trumped the football angle? Answers on a postcard please ..............[/p][/quote]Exceptional post PBTB.... I have exactly the same thoughts. SMF20

6:31pm Sat 25 Jan 14

Clean Sheet says...

Guys, why do any of you think you know who we are seriously chasing, as in recent experience, Brighton do things out of the glare of publicity. How can anyone say we lack ambition? We have a brilliant stadium, a new academy being built, are7th in the Champ, and are in the 5th round of the cup. What a disaster! We have let 2 good servants go, who were never going to play for us in the PL, when we get their. Bridders May or may not go, we will see. I think we are going to move for a couple of good loan signings, when the dust has settled.
Guys, why do any of you think you know who we are seriously chasing, as in recent experience, Brighton do things out of the glare of publicity. How can anyone say we lack ambition? We have a brilliant stadium, a new academy being built, are7th in the Champ, and are in the 5th round of the cup. What a disaster! We have let 2 good servants go, who were never going to play for us in the PL, when we get their. Bridders May or may not go, we will see. I think we are going to move for a couple of good loan signings, when the dust has settled. Clean Sheet

6:37pm Sat 25 Jan 14

Dolph Ins says...

A friends son went for a Seagulls related job recently and was told the plan is to be in the Prem in 4 years. I am happy with that and everything I have seen reported here recently would seem to back that up. If we yo-yo up in that time it's ok we come back down with the money. We have strength in depth, as was proved today, we are keeping to FFP, watch what happens when some teams find out what that means (I really hope the FA follow FFP through). Have patience, we are nearly there.
A friends son went for a Seagulls related job recently and was told the plan is to be in the Prem in 4 years. I am happy with that and everything I have seen reported here recently would seem to back that up. If we yo-yo up in that time it's ok we come back down with the money. We have strength in depth, as was proved today, we are keeping to FFP, watch what happens when some teams find out what that means (I really hope the FA follow FFP through). Have patience, we are nearly there. Dolph Ins

6:45pm Sat 25 Jan 14

Conelli98 says...

WiseOldSeagull wrote:
Pennant is a free agent. Cover for when Bucker moves?
he will keep our nightclubs busy thats for sure! NOT WANTED
[quote][p][bold]WiseOldSeagull[/bold] wrote: Pennant is a free agent. Cover for when Bucker moves?[/p][/quote]he will keep our nightclubs busy thats for sure! NOT WANTED Conelli98

6:49pm Sat 25 Jan 14

VegasSeagull says...

SMF20 wrote:
PressBoxTeaBoy wrote:
Troubling times at the Amex? Lost our ambition? Whats going on?

Players dont seem to want to come here?
Even lesser lower league players are turning us down?
We're being turned down for clubs with lesser resources and weaker futures?.
Why are we going after so many of the above?
Does this mean we're building for the championship again?
Why would we have wanted Grabban, average Lge One/Championship?
What happened to Oscar's Barca and Spanish contacts?
Who really is making these player target choices?
What exactly is our plan here?
Is Bridcutt following Barnes out the door?
"If" Bridcutt goes, and the club will know that right now, wouldn't we at least be chasing some more heavyweight targets with the planned proceeds from Bridcutt?
Maybe we're not chasing anyone decent because Bridcutt will nit be allowed to go? (That would be daft in my mind).

Are we destined to be what Gus was running away from, a healthy sustainable business project that lacks the ability to follow ambition and actually be capable of promotion. Has the money angle completely trumped the football angle?

Answers on a postcard please ..............
Exceptional post PBTB.... I have exactly the same thoughts.
Whilst I understand the desire to see Brighton at the top level, I don't quite understand the rush being called for, by some, to get us there. We lost close to 9 million last year, we will lose money again this year, transfers aside. Until, and when, we start to produce our own players thru the new facility, the only other option we have is to buy, but as I said, we are losing money every year, our transfer pot can only be so big in light of the losses.

Picking holes in the decisions made by the suits doesn't advance our buying, it just goes to underline the fact that they have difficult decisions to make. I don't want us buying stand ins for 250K, I want quality costing five times that amount, and more, but only if our funds allow.
It's easy to have a pop at Burke, Barber and Bloom, blame them for our lack of spending, I wonder what some of you would say of we did spend at much higher levels and suddenly found ourselves in the hands of the receivers.

We had a good result today and we hope for a good draw in the cup tomorrow. We have a tough league match coming up, and another after that and we are only just outside the play off positions, isn't that enough for now.
[quote][p][bold]SMF20[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PressBoxTeaBoy[/bold] wrote: Troubling times at the Amex? Lost our ambition? Whats going on? Players dont seem to want to come here? Even lesser lower league players are turning us down? We're being turned down for clubs with lesser resources and weaker futures?. Why are we going after so many of the above? Does this mean we're building for the championship again? Why would we have wanted Grabban, average Lge One/Championship? What happened to Oscar's Barca and Spanish contacts? Who really is making these player target choices? What exactly is our plan here? Is Bridcutt following Barnes out the door? "If" Bridcutt goes, and the club will know that right now, wouldn't we at least be chasing some more heavyweight targets with the planned proceeds from Bridcutt? Maybe we're not chasing anyone decent because Bridcutt will nit be allowed to go? (That would be daft in my mind). Are we destined to be what Gus was running away from, a healthy sustainable business project that lacks the ability to follow ambition and actually be capable of promotion. Has the money angle completely trumped the football angle? Answers on a postcard please ..............[/p][/quote]Exceptional post PBTB.... I have exactly the same thoughts.[/p][/quote]Whilst I understand the desire to see Brighton at the top level, I don't quite understand the rush being called for, by some, to get us there. We lost close to 9 million last year, we will lose money again this year, transfers aside. Until, and when, we start to produce our own players thru the new facility, the only other option we have is to buy, but as I said, we are losing money every year, our transfer pot can only be so big in light of the losses. Picking holes in the decisions made by the suits doesn't advance our buying, it just goes to underline the fact that they have difficult decisions to make. I don't want us buying stand ins for 250K, I want quality costing five times that amount, and more, but only if our funds allow. It's easy to have a pop at Burke, Barber and Bloom, blame them for our lack of spending, I wonder what some of you would say of we did spend at much higher levels and suddenly found ourselves in the hands of the receivers. We had a good result today and we hope for a good draw in the cup tomorrow. We have a tough league match coming up, and another after that and we are only just outside the play off positions, isn't that enough for now. VegasSeagull

6:53pm Sat 25 Jan 14

pte says...

I'm not sure the FA will adhere to FFP rules. How can you fine clubs already massively in debt without bankrupting them and all they owe money to. We "missed out" on one player who may have been a diversionary tactic for the one we really wanted
I'm not sure the FA will adhere to FFP rules. How can you fine clubs already massively in debt without bankrupting them and all they owe money to. We "missed out" on one player who may have been a diversionary tactic for the one we really wanted pte

6:54pm Sat 25 Jan 14

Joel'sGrandad says...

So we've missed out again.
I'm not particularly bothered because this was only going to be a short term signing. We are clearly thinking of the PL by offering existing and prospective players only short term contracts. I like Ian Holloway and he has clearly given Williams the old schpeel and convinced him to go to Millwall. Good luck to him but do we really want to sign 27 year olds for £250k.
UTA
So we've missed out again. I'm not particularly bothered because this was only going to be a short term signing. We are clearly thinking of the PL by offering existing and prospective players only short term contracts. I like Ian Holloway and he has clearly given Williams the old schpeel and convinced him to go to Millwall. Good luck to him but do we really want to sign 27 year olds for £250k. UTA Joel'sGrandad

7:18pm Sat 25 Jan 14

pjwilk says...

Millwall and Bournmouth have more pulling power than us,they must have been reading about how the Blues Bros are dragging our playing staff down and will not pay more than minimum wages.
Millwall and Bournmouth have more pulling power than us,they must have been reading about how the Blues Bros are dragging our playing staff down and will not pay more than minimum wages. pjwilk

7:20pm Sat 25 Jan 14

Clean Sheet says...

Joel'sGrandad wrote:
So we've missed out again.
I'm not particularly bothered because this was only going to be a short term signing. We are clearly thinking of the PL by offering existing and prospective players only short term contracts. I like Ian Holloway and he has clearly given Williams the old schpeel and convinced him to go to Millwall. Good luck to him but do we really want to sign 27 year olds for £250k.
UTA
Not unless they have great PL experience. Gems come along now and again like a certain Matty Upson.
[quote][p][bold]Joel'sGrandad[/bold] wrote: So we've missed out again. I'm not particularly bothered because this was only going to be a short term signing. We are clearly thinking of the PL by offering existing and prospective players only short term contracts. I like Ian Holloway and he has clearly given Williams the old schpeel and convinced him to go to Millwall. Good luck to him but do we really want to sign 27 year olds for £250k. UTA[/p][/quote]Not unless they have great PL experience. Gems come along now and again like a certain Matty Upson. Clean Sheet

7:31pm Sat 25 Jan 14

Chi Gull says...

There has been a lot of criticism of 'the suits' on here over the last week or two. For me we have had a very brave business plan to invest in a fantastic new stadium (after years of battling for planning permission). Having the nerve to immediately make another major investment in expanding the stadium. Then investing millions in a top notch academy and training facility. That takes enormous courage and goes against the short term planning of most football clubs.

At the same time we have seen huge progress on the pitch. We are just outside the play offs in spite of many injuries. We have played without Bridcutt for most of the season, so he will be no great loss if he does go. Today we were missing a number of very good players and still put out a strong squad. With Ince and March coming through that shows the way ahead. I don't see much sign of fans losing too much interest even though the side haven't performed as well at home this season. Next two away games will help shape the rest of our season. There are always loans if we start to wobble a little or get further injuries.
There has been a lot of criticism of 'the suits' on here over the last week or two. For me we have had a very brave business plan to invest in a fantastic new stadium (after years of battling for planning permission). Having the nerve to immediately make another major investment in expanding the stadium. Then investing millions in a top notch academy and training facility. That takes enormous courage and goes against the short term planning of most football clubs. At the same time we have seen huge progress on the pitch. We are just outside the play offs in spite of many injuries. We have played without Bridcutt for most of the season, so he will be no great loss if he does go. Today we were missing a number of very good players and still put out a strong squad. With Ince and March coming through that shows the way ahead. I don't see much sign of fans losing too much interest even though the side haven't performed as well at home this season. Next two away games will help shape the rest of our season. There are always loans if we start to wobble a little or get further injuries. Chi Gull

8:06pm Sat 25 Jan 14

mikeygit says...

Vegas and a few others have made good, sound, sensible posts on here today. Todays game was a good run out for some of the younger players and was good experience. I agree we should not be looking at signing players worth only 250k unless they are young players with a huge potential--and that is a big gamble. We have to build on solid foundations, which I think we are. OK we have not now got a manager with loads of charisma, like Gus, but nor has Wenger, and look where he got Arsenal. I am sure Oscar has some input as to who he wants in the team and speaks to The Suits regularly. We have Ince in the 1st team regularly, Solly March nearly there and Forster Caskey. We all get a little impatient at times but it does not good. Tony Bloom and co will get us to the PL to stay there not like some clubs AND on a sound financial footing--and there are not many clubs in this division you can say that about!! Tony is a gambler but he certainly is not gambling on the finances of this Club---and long may that continue.
Vegas and a few others have made good, sound, sensible posts on here today. Todays game was a good run out for some of the younger players and was good experience. I agree we should not be looking at signing players worth only 250k unless they are young players with a huge potential--and that is a big gamble. We have to build on solid foundations, which I think we are. OK we have not now got a manager with loads of charisma, like Gus, but nor has Wenger, and look where he got Arsenal. I am sure Oscar has some input as to who he wants in the team and speaks to The Suits regularly. We have Ince in the 1st team regularly, Solly March nearly there and Forster Caskey. We all get a little impatient at times but it does not good. Tony Bloom and co will get us to the PL to stay there not like some clubs AND on a sound financial footing--and there are not many clubs in this division you can say that about!! Tony is a gambler but he certainly is not gambling on the finances of this Club---and long may that continue. mikeygit

8:19pm Sat 25 Jan 14

searich1983 says...

mikeygit wrote:
Vegas and a few others have made good, sound, sensible posts on here today. Todays game was a good run out for some of the younger players and was good experience. I agree we should not be looking at signing players worth only 250k unless they are young players with a huge potential--and that is a big gamble. We have to build on solid foundations, which I think we are. OK we have not now got a manager with loads of charisma, like Gus, but nor has Wenger, and look where he got Arsenal. I am sure Oscar has some input as to who he wants in the team and speaks to The Suits regularly. We have Ince in the 1st team regularly, Solly March nearly there and Forster Caskey. We all get a little impatient at times but it does not good. Tony Bloom and co will get us to the PL to stay there not like some clubs AND on a sound financial footing--and there are not many clubs in this division you can say that about!! Tony is a gambler but he certainly is not gambling on the finances of this Club---and long may that continue.
Great point mikeygit, the only other way is to take the money for Bridcutt and spend it wisely on a couple of very good players who want to come with us.
Very good decision by OG to play the younger players today, building for the future.
[quote][p][bold]mikeygit[/bold] wrote: Vegas and a few others have made good, sound, sensible posts on here today. Todays game was a good run out for some of the younger players and was good experience. I agree we should not be looking at signing players worth only 250k unless they are young players with a huge potential--and that is a big gamble. We have to build on solid foundations, which I think we are. OK we have not now got a manager with loads of charisma, like Gus, but nor has Wenger, and look where he got Arsenal. I am sure Oscar has some input as to who he wants in the team and speaks to The Suits regularly. We have Ince in the 1st team regularly, Solly March nearly there and Forster Caskey. We all get a little impatient at times but it does not good. Tony Bloom and co will get us to the PL to stay there not like some clubs AND on a sound financial footing--and there are not many clubs in this division you can say that about!! Tony is a gambler but he certainly is not gambling on the finances of this Club---and long may that continue.[/p][/quote]Great point mikeygit, the only other way is to take the money for Bridcutt and spend it wisely on a couple of very good players who want to come with us. Very good decision by OG to play the younger players today, building for the future. searich1983

8:32pm Sat 25 Jan 14

falmer seagull says...

Frimpong Arsenal for midfield?
Frimpong Arsenal for midfield? falmer seagull

9:03pm Sat 25 Jan 14

Albion In Staffs says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
SMF20 wrote:
PressBoxTeaBoy wrote:
Troubling times at the Amex? Lost our ambition? Whats going on?

Players dont seem to want to come here?
Even lesser lower league players are turning us down?
We're being turned down for clubs with lesser resources and weaker futures?.
Why are we going after so many of the above?
Does this mean we're building for the championship again?
Why would we have wanted Grabban, average Lge One/Championship?
What happened to Oscar's Barca and Spanish contacts?
Who really is making these player target choices?
What exactly is our plan here?
Is Bridcutt following Barnes out the door?
"If" Bridcutt goes, and the club will know that right now, wouldn't we at least be chasing some more heavyweight targets with the planned proceeds from Bridcutt?
Maybe we're not chasing anyone decent because Bridcutt will nit be allowed to go? (That would be daft in my mind).

Are we destined to be what Gus was running away from, a healthy sustainable business project that lacks the ability to follow ambition and actually be capable of promotion. Has the money angle completely trumped the football angle?

Answers on a postcard please ..............
Exceptional post PBTB.... I have exactly the same thoughts.
Whilst I understand the desire to see Brighton at the top level, I don't quite understand the rush being called for, by some, to get us there. We lost close to 9 million last year, we will lose money again this year, transfers aside. Until, and when, we start to produce our own players thru the new facility, the only other option we have is to buy, but as I said, we are losing money every year, our transfer pot can only be so big in light of the losses.

Picking holes in the decisions made by the suits doesn't advance our buying, it just goes to underline the fact that they have difficult decisions to make. I don't want us buying stand ins for 250K, I want quality costing five times that amount, and more, but only if our funds allow.
It's easy to have a pop at Burke, Barber and Bloom, blame them for our lack of spending, I wonder what some of you would say of we did spend at much higher levels and suddenly found ourselves in the hands of the receivers.

We had a good result today and we hope for a good draw in the cup tomorrow. We have a tough league match coming up, and another after that and we are only just outside the play off positions, isn't that enough for now.
Yesterday we disagreed, tonight you perfectly reflect my own view. Spend in haste, repent at leisure.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SMF20[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PressBoxTeaBoy[/bold] wrote: Troubling times at the Amex? Lost our ambition? Whats going on? Players dont seem to want to come here? Even lesser lower league players are turning us down? We're being turned down for clubs with lesser resources and weaker futures?. Why are we going after so many of the above? Does this mean we're building for the championship again? Why would we have wanted Grabban, average Lge One/Championship? What happened to Oscar's Barca and Spanish contacts? Who really is making these player target choices? What exactly is our plan here? Is Bridcutt following Barnes out the door? "If" Bridcutt goes, and the club will know that right now, wouldn't we at least be chasing some more heavyweight targets with the planned proceeds from Bridcutt? Maybe we're not chasing anyone decent because Bridcutt will nit be allowed to go? (That would be daft in my mind). Are we destined to be what Gus was running away from, a healthy sustainable business project that lacks the ability to follow ambition and actually be capable of promotion. Has the money angle completely trumped the football angle? Answers on a postcard please ..............[/p][/quote]Exceptional post PBTB.... I have exactly the same thoughts.[/p][/quote]Whilst I understand the desire to see Brighton at the top level, I don't quite understand the rush being called for, by some, to get us there. We lost close to 9 million last year, we will lose money again this year, transfers aside. Until, and when, we start to produce our own players thru the new facility, the only other option we have is to buy, but as I said, we are losing money every year, our transfer pot can only be so big in light of the losses. Picking holes in the decisions made by the suits doesn't advance our buying, it just goes to underline the fact that they have difficult decisions to make. I don't want us buying stand ins for 250K, I want quality costing five times that amount, and more, but only if our funds allow. It's easy to have a pop at Burke, Barber and Bloom, blame them for our lack of spending, I wonder what some of you would say of we did spend at much higher levels and suddenly found ourselves in the hands of the receivers. We had a good result today and we hope for a good draw in the cup tomorrow. We have a tough league match coming up, and another after that and we are only just outside the play off positions, isn't that enough for now.[/p][/quote]Yesterday we disagreed, tonight you perfectly reflect my own view. Spend in haste, repent at leisure. Albion In Staffs

9:17pm Sat 25 Jan 14

VegasSeagull says...

Albion In Staffs wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
SMF20 wrote:
PressBoxTeaBoy wrote:
Troubling times at the Amex? Lost our ambition? Whats going on?

Players dont seem to want to come here?
Even lesser lower league players are turning us down?
We're being turned down for clubs with lesser resources and weaker futures?.
Why are we going after so many of the above?
Does this mean we're building for the championship again?
Why would we have wanted Grabban, average Lge One/Championship?
What happened to Oscar's Barca and Spanish contacts?
Who really is making these player target choices?
What exactly is our plan here?
Is Bridcutt following Barnes out the door?
"If" Bridcutt goes, and the club will know that right now, wouldn't we at least be chasing some more heavyweight targets with the planned proceeds from Bridcutt?
Maybe we're not chasing anyone decent because Bridcutt will nit be allowed to go? (That would be daft in my mind).

Are we destined to be what Gus was running away from, a healthy sustainable business project that lacks the ability to follow ambition and actually be capable of promotion. Has the money angle completely trumped the football angle?

Answers on a postcard please ..............
Exceptional post PBTB.... I have exactly the same thoughts.
Whilst I understand the desire to see Brighton at the top level, I don't quite understand the rush being called for, by some, to get us there. We lost close to 9 million last year, we will lose money again this year, transfers aside. Until, and when, we start to produce our own players thru the new facility, the only other option we have is to buy, but as I said, we are losing money every year, our transfer pot can only be so big in light of the losses.

Picking holes in the decisions made by the suits doesn't advance our buying, it just goes to underline the fact that they have difficult decisions to make. I don't want us buying stand ins for 250K, I want quality costing five times that amount, and more, but only if our funds allow.
It's easy to have a pop at Burke, Barber and Bloom, blame them for our lack of spending, I wonder what some of you would say of we did spend at much higher levels and suddenly found ourselves in the hands of the receivers.

We had a good result today and we hope for a good draw in the cup tomorrow. We have a tough league match coming up, and another after that and we are only just outside the play off positions, isn't that enough for now.
Yesterday we disagreed, tonight you perfectly reflect my own view. Spend in haste, repent at leisure.
and our ability to agree and disagree is what makes us congenial company
[quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SMF20[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PressBoxTeaBoy[/bold] wrote: Troubling times at the Amex? Lost our ambition? Whats going on? Players dont seem to want to come here? Even lesser lower league players are turning us down? We're being turned down for clubs with lesser resources and weaker futures?. Why are we going after so many of the above? Does this mean we're building for the championship again? Why would we have wanted Grabban, average Lge One/Championship? What happened to Oscar's Barca and Spanish contacts? Who really is making these player target choices? What exactly is our plan here? Is Bridcutt following Barnes out the door? "If" Bridcutt goes, and the club will know that right now, wouldn't we at least be chasing some more heavyweight targets with the planned proceeds from Bridcutt? Maybe we're not chasing anyone decent because Bridcutt will nit be allowed to go? (That would be daft in my mind). Are we destined to be what Gus was running away from, a healthy sustainable business project that lacks the ability to follow ambition and actually be capable of promotion. Has the money angle completely trumped the football angle? Answers on a postcard please ..............[/p][/quote]Exceptional post PBTB.... I have exactly the same thoughts.[/p][/quote]Whilst I understand the desire to see Brighton at the top level, I don't quite understand the rush being called for, by some, to get us there. We lost close to 9 million last year, we will lose money again this year, transfers aside. Until, and when, we start to produce our own players thru the new facility, the only other option we have is to buy, but as I said, we are losing money every year, our transfer pot can only be so big in light of the losses. Picking holes in the decisions made by the suits doesn't advance our buying, it just goes to underline the fact that they have difficult decisions to make. I don't want us buying stand ins for 250K, I want quality costing five times that amount, and more, but only if our funds allow. It's easy to have a pop at Burke, Barber and Bloom, blame them for our lack of spending, I wonder what some of you would say of we did spend at much higher levels and suddenly found ourselves in the hands of the receivers. We had a good result today and we hope for a good draw in the cup tomorrow. We have a tough league match coming up, and another after that and we are only just outside the play off positions, isn't that enough for now.[/p][/quote]Yesterday we disagreed, tonight you perfectly reflect my own view. Spend in haste, repent at leisure.[/p][/quote]and our ability to agree and disagree is what makes us congenial company VegasSeagull

10:03pm Sat 25 Jan 14

WisdomSpeaks says...

I think there is a lot of sense in these posts and the point which concerns me is, despite many on here agreeing that we ought not to be going after £250,000 players from the likes of MK Dons (no disrespect to them or any other club), the fact is we DID go after these players and both actually were in discussions with the club to come and sign.

So if we are waiting to get more valuable players who could hold their own in PL, why then get into discussions with these players in the first place?

The point which seems to be missed is that they WERE wanted by someone at the club but both of them TURNED US DOWN preferring Bournemouth and Milwall. If that doesn't tell us something about the inability of our negotiators to persuade or sell our club then I don't know what does.

Someone made the point that Holloway would have sweet talked the player, as would other managers that have that ability and whether you like him or not, he's got his man!
We need someone like Alan Mullery to take over the role of 'persuader'! Burke has not got the necessary personality to fulfil that role
I think there is a lot of sense in these posts and the point which concerns me is, despite many on here agreeing that we ought not to be going after £250,000 players from the likes of MK Dons (no disrespect to them or any other club), the fact is we DID go after these players and both actually were in discussions with the club to come and sign. So if we are waiting to get more valuable players who could hold their own in PL, why then get into discussions with these players in the first place? The point which seems to be missed is that they WERE wanted by someone at the club but both of them TURNED US DOWN preferring Bournemouth and Milwall. If that doesn't tell us something about the inability of our negotiators to persuade or sell our club then I don't know what does. Someone made the point that Holloway would have sweet talked the player, as would other managers that have that ability and whether you like him or not, he's got his man! We need someone like Alan Mullery to take over the role of 'persuader'! Burke has not got the necessary personality to fulfil that role WisdomSpeaks

10:13pm Sat 25 Jan 14

Albion In Staffs says...

WisdomSpeaks wrote:
I think there is a lot of sense in these posts and the point which concerns me is, despite many on here agreeing that we ought not to be going after £250,000 players from the likes of MK Dons (no disrespect to them or any other club), the fact is we DID go after these players and both actually were in discussions with the club to come and sign.

So if we are waiting to get more valuable players who could hold their own in PL, why then get into discussions with these players in the first place?

The point which seems to be missed is that they WERE wanted by someone at the club but both of them TURNED US DOWN preferring Bournemouth and Milwall. If that doesn't tell us something about the inability of our negotiators to persuade or sell our club then I don't know what does.

Someone made the point that Holloway would have sweet talked the player, as would other managers that have that ability and whether you like him or not, he's got his man!
We need someone like Alan Mullery to take over the role of 'persuader'! Burke has not got the necessary personality to fulfil that role
I think criticism of individuals is unfair. The answer may be closer to the fact the we offered squad places and others guaranteed team places....
[quote][p][bold]WisdomSpeaks[/bold] wrote: I think there is a lot of sense in these posts and the point which concerns me is, despite many on here agreeing that we ought not to be going after £250,000 players from the likes of MK Dons (no disrespect to them or any other club), the fact is we DID go after these players and both actually were in discussions with the club to come and sign. So if we are waiting to get more valuable players who could hold their own in PL, why then get into discussions with these players in the first place? The point which seems to be missed is that they WERE wanted by someone at the club but both of them TURNED US DOWN preferring Bournemouth and Milwall. If that doesn't tell us something about the inability of our negotiators to persuade or sell our club then I don't know what does. Someone made the point that Holloway would have sweet talked the player, as would other managers that have that ability and whether you like him or not, he's got his man! We need someone like Alan Mullery to take over the role of 'persuader'! Burke has not got the necessary personality to fulfil that role[/p][/quote]I think criticism of individuals is unfair. The answer may be closer to the fact the we offered squad places and others guaranteed team places.... Albion In Staffs

10:21pm Sat 25 Jan 14

Joel'sGrandad says...

Clean Sheet wrote:
Joel'sGrandad wrote:
So we've missed out again.
I'm not particularly bothered because this was only going to be a short term signing. We are clearly thinking of the PL by offering existing and prospective players only short term contracts. I like Ian Holloway and he has clearly given Williams the old schpeel and convinced him to go to Millwall. Good luck to him but do we really want to sign 27 year olds for £250k.
UTA
Not unless they have great PL experience. Gems come along now and again like a certain Matty Upson.
Yes Matty is a gem but he was on a free from the PL.
Perhaps I forgot to mention we don't need to sign 27 year olds for £250k FROM THE LOWER LEAGUES WITH NO PL EXPERIENCE.
UTA
[quote][p][bold]Clean Sheet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Joel'sGrandad[/bold] wrote: So we've missed out again. I'm not particularly bothered because this was only going to be a short term signing. We are clearly thinking of the PL by offering existing and prospective players only short term contracts. I like Ian Holloway and he has clearly given Williams the old schpeel and convinced him to go to Millwall. Good luck to him but do we really want to sign 27 year olds for £250k. UTA[/p][/quote]Not unless they have great PL experience. Gems come along now and again like a certain Matty Upson.[/p][/quote]Yes Matty is a gem but he was on a free from the PL. Perhaps I forgot to mention we don't need to sign 27 year olds for £250k FROM THE LOWER LEAGUES WITH NO PL EXPERIENCE. UTA Joel'sGrandad

10:34pm Sat 25 Jan 14

VegasSeagull says...

WisdomSpeaks wrote:
I think there is a lot of sense in these posts and the point which concerns me is, despite many on here agreeing that we ought not to be going after £250,000 players from the likes of MK Dons (no disrespect to them or any other club), the fact is we DID go after these players and both actually were in discussions with the club to come and sign.

So if we are waiting to get more valuable players who could hold their own in PL, why then get into discussions with these players in the first place?

The point which seems to be missed is that they WERE wanted by someone at the club but both of them TURNED US DOWN preferring Bournemouth and Milwall. If that doesn't tell us something about the inability of our negotiators to persuade or sell our club then I don't know what does.

Someone made the point that Holloway would have sweet talked the player, as would other managers that have that ability and whether you like him or not, he's got his man!
We need someone like Alan Mullery to take over the role of 'persuader'! Burke has not got the necessary personality to fulfil that role
I think that as far as Grabban goes, he didn't really turn us down as I don't think that he ever truly wanted to come, we were used to improve his deal at Bournemouth, a club he never intended to leave.

The lad from MK Dons, at 250k, would have been adequate cover for our defense, maybe a bit of a bargain, but if you look at our squad, can you see anyone that he would replace, other than to rest a player or cover a couple of weeks thru injury.
I think that this guy may have popped onto our radar, maybe placed there by his agent, rather than us having been tracking him. I would guess that the club looked at him and thought, for 250K, why not.

If we are to replace Crofts, and I am sure we will, I doubt very much whether we will be looking at a low cost player, more likely an expensive loanee.

In summary, I don't that we are deliberately targeting low cost players but if one comes up that can do a job for us, we would be fools no to try and sign him.
[quote][p][bold]WisdomSpeaks[/bold] wrote: I think there is a lot of sense in these posts and the point which concerns me is, despite many on here agreeing that we ought not to be going after £250,000 players from the likes of MK Dons (no disrespect to them or any other club), the fact is we DID go after these players and both actually were in discussions with the club to come and sign. So if we are waiting to get more valuable players who could hold their own in PL, why then get into discussions with these players in the first place? The point which seems to be missed is that they WERE wanted by someone at the club but both of them TURNED US DOWN preferring Bournemouth and Milwall. If that doesn't tell us something about the inability of our negotiators to persuade or sell our club then I don't know what does. Someone made the point that Holloway would have sweet talked the player, as would other managers that have that ability and whether you like him or not, he's got his man! We need someone like Alan Mullery to take over the role of 'persuader'! Burke has not got the necessary personality to fulfil that role[/p][/quote]I think that as far as Grabban goes, he didn't really turn us down as I don't think that he ever truly wanted to come, we were used to improve his deal at Bournemouth, a club he never intended to leave. The lad from MK Dons, at 250k, would have been adequate cover for our defense, maybe a bit of a bargain, but if you look at our squad, can you see anyone that he would replace, other than to rest a player or cover a couple of weeks thru injury. I think that this guy may have popped onto our radar, maybe placed there by his agent, rather than us having been tracking him. I would guess that the club looked at him and thought, for 250K, why not. If we are to replace Crofts, and I am sure we will, I doubt very much whether we will be looking at a low cost player, more likely an expensive loanee. In summary, I don't that we are deliberately targeting low cost players but if one comes up that can do a job for us, we would be fools no to try and sign him. VegasSeagull

11:06pm Sat 25 Jan 14

Withdean-er says...

A couple of contributors are trying to rope in OG for criticism on a lack of transfers inwards. But his role is purely team management and coaching at most, and he appears to be doing an excellent job at coaching in just 6 months into the role in a foreign country to him. All without the histrionics, whining via the press about budgets, politicking .... that came increasingly with Poyet. No doubt OG has told the Board where he would like to strengthen and given his view on targets, but that's where it ends. He may well have given them information on possible players in Spain. Then the rest of the process is entirely down to the Board and DB working within their budget.
A couple of contributors are trying to rope in OG for criticism on a lack of transfers inwards. But his role is purely team management and coaching at most, and he appears to be doing an excellent job at coaching in just 6 months into the role in a foreign country to him. All without the histrionics, whining via the press about budgets, politicking .... that came increasingly with Poyet. No doubt OG has told the Board where he would like to strengthen and given his view on targets, but that's where it ends. He may well have given them information on possible players in Spain. Then the rest of the process is entirely down to the Board and DB working within their budget. Withdean-er

11:29pm Sat 25 Jan 14

Far gull says...

SMF20 wrote:
PressBoxTeaBoy wrote:
Troubling times at the Amex? Lost our ambition? Whats going on?

Players dont seem to want to come here?
Even lesser lower league players are turning us down?
We're being turned down for clubs with lesser resources and weaker futures?.
Why are we going after so many of the above?
Does this mean we're building for the championship again?
Why would we have wanted Grabban, average Lge One/Championship?
What happened to Oscar's Barca and Spanish contacts?
Who really is making these player target choices?
What exactly is our plan here?
Is Bridcutt following Barnes out the door?
"If" Bridcutt goes, and the club will know that right now, wouldn't we at least be chasing some more heavyweight targets with the planned proceeds from Bridcutt?
Maybe we're not chasing anyone decent because Bridcutt will nit be allowed to go? (That would be daft in my mind).

Are we destined to be what Gus was running away from, a healthy sustainable business project that lacks the ability to follow ambition and actually be capable of promotion. Has the money angle completely trumped the football angle?

Answers on a postcard please ..............
Exceptional post PBTB.... I have exactly the same thoughts.
Top post. Why for the life of me this type of post gets like mine of similar ilk so many thumbs down I will never know. Just plain but seemingly unpalatable truth.
[quote][p][bold]SMF20[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PressBoxTeaBoy[/bold] wrote: Troubling times at the Amex? Lost our ambition? Whats going on? Players dont seem to want to come here? Even lesser lower league players are turning us down? We're being turned down for clubs with lesser resources and weaker futures?. Why are we going after so many of the above? Does this mean we're building for the championship again? Why would we have wanted Grabban, average Lge One/Championship? What happened to Oscar's Barca and Spanish contacts? Who really is making these player target choices? What exactly is our plan here? Is Bridcutt following Barnes out the door? "If" Bridcutt goes, and the club will know that right now, wouldn't we at least be chasing some more heavyweight targets with the planned proceeds from Bridcutt? Maybe we're not chasing anyone decent because Bridcutt will nit be allowed to go? (That would be daft in my mind). Are we destined to be what Gus was running away from, a healthy sustainable business project that lacks the ability to follow ambition and actually be capable of promotion. Has the money angle completely trumped the football angle? Answers on a postcard please ..............[/p][/quote]Exceptional post PBTB.... I have exactly the same thoughts.[/p][/quote]Top post. Why for the life of me this type of post gets like mine of similar ilk so many thumbs down I will never know. Just plain but seemingly unpalatable truth. Far gull

1:29am Sun 26 Jan 14

Chi Gull says...

WisdomSpeaks wrote:
I think there is a lot of sense in these posts and the point which concerns me is, despite many on here agreeing that we ought not to be going after £250,000 players from the likes of MK Dons (no disrespect to them or any other club), the fact is we DID go after these players and both actually were in discussions with the club to come and sign.

So if we are waiting to get more valuable players who could hold their own in PL, why then get into discussions with these players in the first place?

The point which seems to be missed is that they WERE wanted by someone at the club but both of them TURNED US DOWN preferring Bournemouth and Milwall. If that doesn't tell us something about the inability of our negotiators to persuade or sell our club then I don't know what does.

Someone made the point that Holloway would have sweet talked the player, as would other managers that have that ability and whether you like him or not, he's got his man!
We need someone like Alan Mullery to take over the role of 'persuader'! Burke has not got the necessary personality to fulfil that role
You miss the point. We are not always trying to sign players who will hold their own in the PL. We can't afford that unless it's to replace someone who has earned us a big transfer fee like Bridcutt might. At the moment we are looking to replace squad players like Barnes and El Abd with players who might be better. It isn't just about how big our club is and how much money, its also about how regularly they are going to play. Our squad is such that you do have to be very good to be guaranteed a regular starting place in the team. You talk as if you are a personal friend of Burke and know his personality inside out? I am pretty sure you don't.
[quote][p][bold]WisdomSpeaks[/bold] wrote: I think there is a lot of sense in these posts and the point which concerns me is, despite many on here agreeing that we ought not to be going after £250,000 players from the likes of MK Dons (no disrespect to them or any other club), the fact is we DID go after these players and both actually were in discussions with the club to come and sign. So if we are waiting to get more valuable players who could hold their own in PL, why then get into discussions with these players in the first place? The point which seems to be missed is that they WERE wanted by someone at the club but both of them TURNED US DOWN preferring Bournemouth and Milwall. If that doesn't tell us something about the inability of our negotiators to persuade or sell our club then I don't know what does. Someone made the point that Holloway would have sweet talked the player, as would other managers that have that ability and whether you like him or not, he's got his man! We need someone like Alan Mullery to take over the role of 'persuader'! Burke has not got the necessary personality to fulfil that role[/p][/quote]You miss the point. We are not always trying to sign players who will hold their own in the PL. We can't afford that unless it's to replace someone who has earned us a big transfer fee like Bridcutt might. At the moment we are looking to replace squad players like Barnes and El Abd with players who might be better. It isn't just about how big our club is and how much money, its also about how regularly they are going to play. Our squad is such that you do have to be very good to be guaranteed a regular starting place in the team. You talk as if you are a personal friend of Burke and know his personality inside out? I am pretty sure you don't. Chi Gull

2:05am Sun 26 Jan 14

mark by the sea says...

Gordon Greer signed for brighton. 2010 fee of £250k aged 29 lol
Some of you even say he does not want to be here in case we get promoted to the PL what rubbish!
Gordon Greer signed for brighton. 2010 fee of £250k aged 29 lol Some of you even say he does not want to be here in case we get promoted to the PL what rubbish! mark by the sea

2:14am Sun 26 Jan 14

Robertostarlight says...

I know I am probably going to get abused by you regular know-all fanatics who allow no criticism, but can someone please tell me in plain terms how the best supported team in the Championship manages to lose so much money every year. NOT a criticism but a genuine question.

For the record I am a season ticket holder but do not go pre-match to the games now, although I used to, because of the poor service in the bars and the ridiculous prices/lack of choice to be 'enjoyed' standing up. Far better to sit in a warm pub and arrive last minute. I think they miss out on potential revenue and could do better.

I assume they pay the constantly changing catering staff minimum wages and it may be that this miserly mindset is behind the lack of ability to attract new players to the club and encourages others to seek their fortune elsewhere as in the recent past. Not to mention managers regardless of one's personal opinion of their individual worth!

Whist I am in a moaning mood it is about time they sorted out the post-match transport delays especially for midweek and 'special' games. It seems once they have got you there and taken your money they care not a lot what happens. Some reasonable quality post-match entertainment and better food choices may help to retain people so that the majority do not all leave at the same time and that might have am additional benificial effect on revenue streams.

I know we are not allowed to complain but sometimes my frustration gets the better of me. I know it is nostalgia gone mad but sometimes I long for the muddy, urine soaked days of the 'chicken run' at the Goldstone with a cup of got-awful tea from an urn that was probably cleaned annually whether it needed it or not and a pie that was possibly made from failed racehorses., although I probably moaned about that now I think about it.
It is after all what supporters do!
I know I am probably going to get abused by you regular know-all fanatics who allow no criticism, but can someone please tell me in plain terms how the best supported team in the Championship manages to lose so much money every year. NOT a criticism but a genuine question. For the record I am a season ticket holder but do not go pre-match to the games now, although I used to, because of the poor service in the bars and the ridiculous prices/lack of choice to be 'enjoyed' standing up. Far better to sit in a warm pub and arrive last minute. I think they miss out on potential revenue and could do better. I assume they pay the constantly changing catering staff minimum wages and it may be that this miserly mindset is behind the lack of ability to attract new players to the club and encourages others to seek their fortune elsewhere as in the recent past. Not to mention managers regardless of one's personal opinion of their individual worth! Whist I am in a moaning mood it is about time they sorted out the post-match transport delays especially for midweek and 'special' games. It seems once they have got you there and taken your money they care not a lot what happens. Some reasonable quality post-match entertainment and better food choices may help to retain people so that the majority do not all leave at the same time and that might have am additional benificial effect on revenue streams. I know we are not allowed to complain but sometimes my frustration gets the better of me. I know it is nostalgia gone mad but sometimes I long for the muddy, urine soaked days of the 'chicken run' at the Goldstone with a cup of got-awful tea from an urn that was probably cleaned annually whether it needed it or not and a pie that was possibly made from failed racehorses., although I probably moaned about that now I think about it. It is after all what supporters do! Robertostarlight

2:55am Sun 26 Jan 14

VegasSeagull says...

Robertostarlight wrote:
I know I am probably going to get abused by you regular know-all fanatics who allow no criticism, but can someone please tell me in plain terms how the best supported team in the Championship manages to lose so much money every year. NOT a criticism but a genuine question.

For the record I am a season ticket holder but do not go pre-match to the games now, although I used to, because of the poor service in the bars and the ridiculous prices/lack of choice to be 'enjoyed' standing up. Far better to sit in a warm pub and arrive last minute. I think they miss out on potential revenue and could do better.

I assume they pay the constantly changing catering staff minimum wages and it may be that this miserly mindset is behind the lack of ability to attract new players to the club and encourages others to seek their fortune elsewhere as in the recent past. Not to mention managers regardless of one's personal opinion of their individual worth!

Whist I am in a moaning mood it is about time they sorted out the post-match transport delays especially for midweek and 'special' games. It seems once they have got you there and taken your money they care not a lot what happens. Some reasonable quality post-match entertainment and better food choices may help to retain people so that the majority do not all leave at the same time and that might have am additional benificial effect on revenue streams.

I know we are not allowed to complain but sometimes my frustration gets the better of me. I know it is nostalgia gone mad but sometimes I long for the muddy, urine soaked days of the 'chicken run' at the Goldstone with a cup of got-awful tea from an urn that was probably cleaned annually whether it needed it or not and a pie that was possibly made from failed racehorses., although I probably moaned about that now I think about it.
It is after all what supporters do!
I think quite a bit of the money we lost came from wages paid to players that were signed to build our initial champ div squad. I think it safe to say that there was not a rigid wages structure in our first year after promotion as we needed to make sure we stayed up. Those wages would have carried thru to year two.
I also think that as with any vastly expanding business, and that is what we were when we moved to the Amex, we over employed regarding non playing staff, Barber has now made the cuts needed.
The level of sponsorship at the time of moving to the Amex was lower than it is today, so less money available then than now to pay our bills. The standard of medical services available for the players was also greatly increased and that elevation would have come at a price. The amount of money spent on advertising would have also increased substantially when we moved to the Amex, substantial compared to what we spent when at Withdene, and when I say advertising, I am thinking of the whole media package to include not only the staff needed to run it but also all the equipment.
One of the biggest expenditures, apart from the player's wages, would be the actual transfer fees we paid out, just CMS and Ulloa comes to over five million.
[quote][p][bold]Robertostarlight[/bold] wrote: I know I am probably going to get abused by you regular know-all fanatics who allow no criticism, but can someone please tell me in plain terms how the best supported team in the Championship manages to lose so much money every year. NOT a criticism but a genuine question. For the record I am a season ticket holder but do not go pre-match to the games now, although I used to, because of the poor service in the bars and the ridiculous prices/lack of choice to be 'enjoyed' standing up. Far better to sit in a warm pub and arrive last minute. I think they miss out on potential revenue and could do better. I assume they pay the constantly changing catering staff minimum wages and it may be that this miserly mindset is behind the lack of ability to attract new players to the club and encourages others to seek their fortune elsewhere as in the recent past. Not to mention managers regardless of one's personal opinion of their individual worth! Whist I am in a moaning mood it is about time they sorted out the post-match transport delays especially for midweek and 'special' games. It seems once they have got you there and taken your money they care not a lot what happens. Some reasonable quality post-match entertainment and better food choices may help to retain people so that the majority do not all leave at the same time and that might have am additional benificial effect on revenue streams. I know we are not allowed to complain but sometimes my frustration gets the better of me. I know it is nostalgia gone mad but sometimes I long for the muddy, urine soaked days of the 'chicken run' at the Goldstone with a cup of got-awful tea from an urn that was probably cleaned annually whether it needed it or not and a pie that was possibly made from failed racehorses., although I probably moaned about that now I think about it. It is after all what supporters do![/p][/quote]I think quite a bit of the money we lost came from wages paid to players that were signed to build our initial champ div squad. I think it safe to say that there was not a rigid wages structure in our first year after promotion as we needed to make sure we stayed up. Those wages would have carried thru to year two. I also think that as with any vastly expanding business, and that is what we were when we moved to the Amex, we over employed regarding non playing staff, Barber has now made the cuts needed. The level of sponsorship at the time of moving to the Amex was lower than it is today, so less money available then than now to pay our bills. The standard of medical services available for the players was also greatly increased and that elevation would have come at a price. The amount of money spent on advertising would have also increased substantially when we moved to the Amex, substantial compared to what we spent when at Withdene, and when I say advertising, I am thinking of the whole media package to include not only the staff needed to run it but also all the equipment. One of the biggest expenditures, apart from the player's wages, would be the actual transfer fees we paid out, just CMS and Ulloa comes to over five million. VegasSeagull

3:28am Sun 26 Jan 14

Baldseagull says...

PressBoxTeaBoy wrote:
Troubling times at the Amex? Lost our ambition? Whats going on?

Players dont seem to want to come here?
Even lesser lower league players are turning us down?
We're being turned down for clubs with lesser resources and weaker futures?.
Why are we going after so many of the above?
Does this mean we're building for the championship again?
Why would we have wanted Grabban, average Lge One/Championship?
What happened to Oscar's Barca and Spanish contacts?
Who really is making these player target choices?
What exactly is our plan here?
Is Bridcutt following Barnes out the door?
"If" Bridcutt goes, and the club will know that right now, wouldn't we at least be chasing some more heavyweight targets with the planned proceeds from Bridcutt?
Maybe we're not chasing anyone decent because Bridcutt will nit be allowed to go? (That would be daft in my mind).

Are we destined to be what Gus was running away from, a healthy sustainable business project that lacks the ability to follow ambition and actually be capable of promotion. Has the money angle completely trumped the football angle?

Answers on a postcard please ..............
No.
No.
No, 2 players have chosen other options.
No, we are being turned down for longer contracts and regular starts.
Because they fill the holes we have.
Building for a Championship promotion winning side.
To replace Ashley Barnes.
Oscar still has his contacts, but it was fans that expected him to exploit them, he never claimed he would.
Burke, Oscar and Jones.
To get promoted to the Prem without going into administration, being fined or hit with a transfer embargo.
Probably.
Won't be signing any heavyweights unless we sell one, except maybe a loan for crofts.
Maybe.
We are destined to be in the Premier League, Gus was running to something more than away from something, he had hit his ceiling here and needed more money to spend.
Money always has the last say, everyone has a budget, but some of our rivals are breaking FFP rules, or are in receipt of parachute payments, or both, and they have mopped up many of the best players in the division.

Of the clubs sitting in the top 11 slots in the Championship, I reckon only 4 will be neither overspending or in receipt of parachute payments. BHA, Derby, Ipswich and Middlesborough. And I am not certain about Boro and Ipswich.
[quote][p][bold]PressBoxTeaBoy[/bold] wrote: Troubling times at the Amex? Lost our ambition? Whats going on? Players dont seem to want to come here? Even lesser lower league players are turning us down? We're being turned down for clubs with lesser resources and weaker futures?. Why are we going after so many of the above? Does this mean we're building for the championship again? Why would we have wanted Grabban, average Lge One/Championship? What happened to Oscar's Barca and Spanish contacts? Who really is making these player target choices? What exactly is our plan here? Is Bridcutt following Barnes out the door? "If" Bridcutt goes, and the club will know that right now, wouldn't we at least be chasing some more heavyweight targets with the planned proceeds from Bridcutt? Maybe we're not chasing anyone decent because Bridcutt will nit be allowed to go? (That would be daft in my mind). Are we destined to be what Gus was running away from, a healthy sustainable business project that lacks the ability to follow ambition and actually be capable of promotion. Has the money angle completely trumped the football angle? Answers on a postcard please ..............[/p][/quote]No. No. No, 2 players have chosen other options. No, we are being turned down for longer contracts and regular starts. Because they fill the holes we have. Building for a Championship promotion winning side. To replace Ashley Barnes. Oscar still has his contacts, but it was fans that expected him to exploit them, he never claimed he would. Burke, Oscar and Jones. To get promoted to the Prem without going into administration, being fined or hit with a transfer embargo. Probably. Won't be signing any heavyweights unless we sell one, except maybe a loan for crofts. Maybe. We are destined to be in the Premier League, Gus was running to something more than away from something, he had hit his ceiling here and needed more money to spend. Money always has the last say, everyone has a budget, but some of our rivals are breaking FFP rules, or are in receipt of parachute payments, or both, and they have mopped up many of the best players in the division. Of the clubs sitting in the top 11 slots in the Championship, I reckon only 4 will be neither overspending or in receipt of parachute payments. BHA, Derby, Ipswich and Middlesborough. And I am not certain about Boro and Ipswich. Baldseagull

3:54am Sun 26 Jan 14

mark by the sea says...

Baldseagull wrote:
PressBoxTeaBoy wrote:
Troubling times at the Amex? Lost our ambition? Whats going on?

Players dont seem to want to come here?
Even lesser lower league players are turning us down?
We're being turned down for clubs with lesser resources and weaker futures?.
Why are we going after so many of the above?
Does this mean we're building for the championship again?
Why would we have wanted Grabban, average Lge One/Championship?
What happened to Oscar's Barca and Spanish contacts?
Who really is making these player target choices?
What exactly is our plan here?
Is Bridcutt following Barnes out the door?
"If" Bridcutt goes, and the club will know that right now, wouldn't we at least be chasing some more heavyweight targets with the planned proceeds from Bridcutt?
Maybe we're not chasing anyone decent because Bridcutt will nit be allowed to go? (That would be daft in my mind).

Are we destined to be what Gus was running away from, a healthy sustainable business project that lacks the ability to follow ambition and actually be capable of promotion. Has the money angle completely trumped the football angle?

Answers on a postcard please ..............
No.
No.
No, 2 players have chosen other options.
No, we are being turned down for longer contracts and regular starts.
Because they fill the holes we have.
Building for a Championship promotion winning side.
To replace Ashley Barnes.
Oscar still has his contacts, but it was fans that expected him to exploit them, he never claimed he would.
Burke, Oscar and Jones.
To get promoted to the Prem without going into administration, being fined or hit with a transfer embargo.
Probably.
Won't be signing any heavyweights unless we sell one, except maybe a loan for crofts.
Maybe.
We are destined to be in the Premier League, Gus was running to something more than away from something, he had hit his ceiling here and needed more money to spend.
Money always has the last say, everyone has a budget, but some of our rivals are breaking FFP rules, or are in receipt of parachute payments, or both, and they have mopped up many of the best players in the division.

Of the clubs sitting in the top 11 slots in the Championship, I reckon only 4 will be neither overspending or in receipt of parachute payments. BHA, Derby, Ipswich and Middlesborough. And I am not certain about Boro and Ipswich.
All good valid points , however does anyone seriously think this won't effect season ticket sales?
What happens when we lose 4000 off our attendance ? That equates to millions of pounds...
I don't envy buries job, however simply selling and not replacing with like for like won't sell tickets next season
[quote][p][bold]Baldseagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PressBoxTeaBoy[/bold] wrote: Troubling times at the Amex? Lost our ambition? Whats going on? Players dont seem to want to come here? Even lesser lower league players are turning us down? We're being turned down for clubs with lesser resources and weaker futures?. Why are we going after so many of the above? Does this mean we're building for the championship again? Why would we have wanted Grabban, average Lge One/Championship? What happened to Oscar's Barca and Spanish contacts? Who really is making these player target choices? What exactly is our plan here? Is Bridcutt following Barnes out the door? "If" Bridcutt goes, and the club will know that right now, wouldn't we at least be chasing some more heavyweight targets with the planned proceeds from Bridcutt? Maybe we're not chasing anyone decent because Bridcutt will nit be allowed to go? (That would be daft in my mind). Are we destined to be what Gus was running away from, a healthy sustainable business project that lacks the ability to follow ambition and actually be capable of promotion. Has the money angle completely trumped the football angle? Answers on a postcard please ..............[/p][/quote]No. No. No, 2 players have chosen other options. No, we are being turned down for longer contracts and regular starts. Because they fill the holes we have. Building for a Championship promotion winning side. To replace Ashley Barnes. Oscar still has his contacts, but it was fans that expected him to exploit them, he never claimed he would. Burke, Oscar and Jones. To get promoted to the Prem without going into administration, being fined or hit with a transfer embargo. Probably. Won't be signing any heavyweights unless we sell one, except maybe a loan for crofts. Maybe. We are destined to be in the Premier League, Gus was running to something more than away from something, he had hit his ceiling here and needed more money to spend. Money always has the last say, everyone has a budget, but some of our rivals are breaking FFP rules, or are in receipt of parachute payments, or both, and they have mopped up many of the best players in the division. Of the clubs sitting in the top 11 slots in the Championship, I reckon only 4 will be neither overspending or in receipt of parachute payments. BHA, Derby, Ipswich and Middlesborough. And I am not certain about Boro and Ipswich.[/p][/quote]All good valid points , however does anyone seriously think this won't effect season ticket sales? What happens when we lose 4000 off our attendance ? That equates to millions of pounds... I don't envy buries job, however simply selling and not replacing with like for like won't sell tickets next season mark by the sea

8:57am Sun 26 Jan 14

Alan Duffy says...

I'm sorry but everybody who's saying that any player would turn us down because he wants a regular start really doesn't understand football. A player gets to become a professional through self belief, every player would believe that when he signed for us that within a matter of time that the first team shirt would be his, and no club (or manager) would ever sell themselves as "we can't guarantee you first team football". And why would any player come and talk to us if he'd already made his mind up to go else where? The players we're going for may not be "high profile" enough for a lot of people on here, but they are players who the club have deemed that they would like to sign, for some reason they're rejecting us, and personally I'D can only think that must be financial? Now we have to ask ourselves if Millwall and Boscombe are outbidding us then how poor are the terms we are offering.? Worrying factor number two is the situation when seasoned pro's are publicly asking for help from the club in the press?
I'm sorry but everybody who's saying that any player would turn us down because he wants a regular start really doesn't understand football. A player gets to become a professional through self belief, every player would believe that when he signed for us that within a matter of time that the first team shirt would be his, and no club (or manager) would ever sell themselves as "we can't guarantee you first team football". And why would any player come and talk to us if he'd already made his mind up to go else where? The players we're going for may not be "high profile" enough for a lot of people on here, but they are players who the club have deemed that they would like to sign, for some reason they're rejecting us, and personally I'D can only think that must be financial? Now we have to ask ourselves if Millwall and Boscombe are outbidding us then how poor are the terms we are offering.? Worrying factor number two is the situation when seasoned pro's are publicly asking for help from the club in the press? Alan Duffy

10:38am Sun 26 Jan 14

Baldseagull says...

Alan Duffy wrote:
I'm sorry but everybody who's saying that any player would turn us down because he wants a regular start really doesn't understand football. A player gets to become a professional through self belief, every player would believe that when he signed for us that within a matter of time that the first team shirt would be his, and no club (or manager) would ever sell themselves as "we can't guarantee you first team football". And why would any player come and talk to us if he'd already made his mind up to go else where? The players we're going for may not be "high profile" enough for a lot of people on here, but they are players who the club have deemed that they would like to sign, for some reason they're rejecting us, and personally I'D can only think that must be financial? Now we have to ask ourselves if Millwall and Boscombe are outbidding us then how poor are the terms we are offering.? Worrying factor number two is the situation when seasoned pro's are publicly asking for help from the club in the press?
You might be right, but seeing that the club captain and a former England defender occupy the 2 centre back positions and that El-Abd has just left us because he felt he was not getting to keep his place when he felt he had done enough to do so, I think a player coming in from a lower league might see that as a battle. If another club is also saying, "we want to put you straight into the side", he has an easy choice, so long as the money is comparable.
Grabban was length of contract, and we were a tool for him to force a longer one out of Bournemouth.
[quote][p][bold]Alan Duffy[/bold] wrote: I'm sorry but everybody who's saying that any player would turn us down because he wants a regular start really doesn't understand football. A player gets to become a professional through self belief, every player would believe that when he signed for us that within a matter of time that the first team shirt would be his, and no club (or manager) would ever sell themselves as "we can't guarantee you first team football". And why would any player come and talk to us if he'd already made his mind up to go else where? The players we're going for may not be "high profile" enough for a lot of people on here, but they are players who the club have deemed that they would like to sign, for some reason they're rejecting us, and personally I'D can only think that must be financial? Now we have to ask ourselves if Millwall and Boscombe are outbidding us then how poor are the terms we are offering.? Worrying factor number two is the situation when seasoned pro's are publicly asking for help from the club in the press?[/p][/quote]You might be right, but seeing that the club captain and a former England defender occupy the 2 centre back positions and that El-Abd has just left us because he felt he was not getting to keep his place when he felt he had done enough to do so, I think a player coming in from a lower league might see that as a battle. If another club is also saying, "we want to put you straight into the side", he has an easy choice, so long as the money is comparable. Grabban was length of contract, and we were a tool for him to force a longer one out of Bournemouth. Baldseagull

11:00am Sun 26 Jan 14

Baldseagull says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Baldseagull wrote:
PressBoxTeaBoy wrote:
Troubling times at the Amex? Lost our ambition? Whats going on?

Players dont seem to want to come here?
Even lesser lower league players are turning us down?
We're being turned down for clubs with lesser resources and weaker futures?.
Why are we going after so many of the above?
Does this mean we're building for the championship again?
Why would we have wanted Grabban, average Lge One/Championship?
What happened to Oscar's Barca and Spanish contacts?
Who really is making these player target choices?
What exactly is our plan here?
Is Bridcutt following Barnes out the door?
"If" Bridcutt goes, and the club will know that right now, wouldn't we at least be chasing some more heavyweight targets with the planned proceeds from Bridcutt?
Maybe we're not chasing anyone decent because Bridcutt will nit be allowed to go? (That would be daft in my mind).

Are we destined to be what Gus was running away from, a healthy sustainable business project that lacks the ability to follow ambition and actually be capable of promotion. Has the money angle completely trumped the football angle?

Answers on a postcard please ..............
No.
No.
No, 2 players have chosen other options.
No, we are being turned down for longer contracts and regular starts.
Because they fill the holes we have.
Building for a Championship promotion winning side.
To replace Ashley Barnes.
Oscar still has his contacts, but it was fans that expected him to exploit them, he never claimed he would.
Burke, Oscar and Jones.
To get promoted to the Prem without going into administration, being fined or hit with a transfer embargo.
Probably.
Won't be signing any heavyweights unless we sell one, except maybe a loan for crofts.
Maybe.
We are destined to be in the Premier League, Gus was running to something more than away from something, he had hit his ceiling here and needed more money to spend.
Money always has the last say, everyone has a budget, but some of our rivals are breaking FFP rules, or are in receipt of parachute payments, or both, and they have mopped up many of the best players in the division.

Of the clubs sitting in the top 11 slots in the Championship, I reckon only 4 will be neither overspending or in receipt of parachute payments. BHA, Derby, Ipswich and Middlesborough. And I am not certain about Boro and Ipswich.
All good valid points , however does anyone seriously think this won't effect season ticket sales?
What happens when we lose 4000 off our attendance ? That equates to millions of pounds...
I don't envy buries job, however simply selling and not replacing with like for like won't sell tickets next season
I think season tickets will drop but I think 4000 is a bit pessimistic, though it is true that we might be missing that many from some midweek games.
I can't get there myself in the week sometimes, but I don't want to give up my season ticket.
Those that I know who are considering giving it up, are thinking that they will do more away games, because the atmosphere is usually better, so if we sing up, and the players give us something to shout about we will retain a few more. It isn't about the money for some, it is about the amount of Saturdays the missus will give them a pass for. The club needs those passes to be for home games. A working man needs to enjoy his weekend.
Performances and atmosphere at home is going to be the decider.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baldseagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PressBoxTeaBoy[/bold] wrote: Troubling times at the Amex? Lost our ambition? Whats going on? Players dont seem to want to come here? Even lesser lower league players are turning us down? We're being turned down for clubs with lesser resources and weaker futures?. Why are we going after so many of the above? Does this mean we're building for the championship again? Why would we have wanted Grabban, average Lge One/Championship? What happened to Oscar's Barca and Spanish contacts? Who really is making these player target choices? What exactly is our plan here? Is Bridcutt following Barnes out the door? "If" Bridcutt goes, and the club will know that right now, wouldn't we at least be chasing some more heavyweight targets with the planned proceeds from Bridcutt? Maybe we're not chasing anyone decent because Bridcutt will nit be allowed to go? (That would be daft in my mind). Are we destined to be what Gus was running away from, a healthy sustainable business project that lacks the ability to follow ambition and actually be capable of promotion. Has the money angle completely trumped the football angle? Answers on a postcard please ..............[/p][/quote]No. No. No, 2 players have chosen other options. No, we are being turned down for longer contracts and regular starts. Because they fill the holes we have. Building for a Championship promotion winning side. To replace Ashley Barnes. Oscar still has his contacts, but it was fans that expected him to exploit them, he never claimed he would. Burke, Oscar and Jones. To get promoted to the Prem without going into administration, being fined or hit with a transfer embargo. Probably. Won't be signing any heavyweights unless we sell one, except maybe a loan for crofts. Maybe. We are destined to be in the Premier League, Gus was running to something more than away from something, he had hit his ceiling here and needed more money to spend. Money always has the last say, everyone has a budget, but some of our rivals are breaking FFP rules, or are in receipt of parachute payments, or both, and they have mopped up many of the best players in the division. Of the clubs sitting in the top 11 slots in the Championship, I reckon only 4 will be neither overspending or in receipt of parachute payments. BHA, Derby, Ipswich and Middlesborough. And I am not certain about Boro and Ipswich.[/p][/quote]All good valid points , however does anyone seriously think this won't effect season ticket sales? What happens when we lose 4000 off our attendance ? That equates to millions of pounds... I don't envy buries job, however simply selling and not replacing with like for like won't sell tickets next season[/p][/quote]I think season tickets will drop but I think 4000 is a bit pessimistic, though it is true that we might be missing that many from some midweek games. I can't get there myself in the week sometimes, but I don't want to give up my season ticket. Those that I know who are considering giving it up, are thinking that they will do more away games, because the atmosphere is usually better, so if we sing up, and the players give us something to shout about we will retain a few more. It isn't about the money for some, it is about the amount of Saturdays the missus will give them a pass for. The club needs those passes to be for home games. A working man needs to enjoy his weekend. Performances and atmosphere at home is going to be the decider. Baldseagull

12:09pm Sun 26 Jan 14

searich1983 says...

Baldseagull wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Baldseagull wrote:
PressBoxTeaBoy wrote:
Troubling times at the Amex? Lost our ambition? Whats going on?

Players dont seem to want to come here?
Even lesser lower league players are turning us down?
We're being turned down for clubs with lesser resources and weaker futures?.
Why are we going after so many of the above?
Does this mean we're building for the championship again?
Why would we have wanted Grabban, average Lge One/Championship?
What happened to Oscar's Barca and Spanish contacts?
Who really is making these player target choices?
What exactly is our plan here?
Is Bridcutt following Barnes out the door?
"If" Bridcutt goes, and the club will know that right now, wouldn't we at least be chasing some more heavyweight targets with the planned proceeds from Bridcutt?
Maybe we're not chasing anyone decent because Bridcutt will nit be allowed to go? (That would be daft in my mind).

Are we destined to be what Gus was running away from, a healthy sustainable business project that lacks the ability to follow ambition and actually be capable of promotion. Has the money angle completely trumped the football angle?

Answers on a postcard please ..............
No.
No.
No, 2 players have chosen other options.
No, we are being turned down for longer contracts and regular starts.
Because they fill the holes we have.
Building for a Championship promotion winning side.
To replace Ashley Barnes.
Oscar still has his contacts, but it was fans that expected him to exploit them, he never claimed he would.
Burke, Oscar and Jones.
To get promoted to the Prem without going into administration, being fined or hit with a transfer embargo.
Probably.
Won't be signing any heavyweights unless we sell one, except maybe a loan for crofts.
Maybe.
We are destined to be in the Premier League, Gus was running to something more than away from something, he had hit his ceiling here and needed more money to spend.
Money always has the last say, everyone has a budget, but some of our rivals are breaking FFP rules, or are in receipt of parachute payments, or both, and they have mopped up many of the best players in the division.

Of the clubs sitting in the top 11 slots in the Championship, I reckon only 4 will be neither overspending or in receipt of parachute payments. BHA, Derby, Ipswich and Middlesborough. And I am not certain about Boro and Ipswich.
All good valid points , however does anyone seriously think this won't effect season ticket sales?
What happens when we lose 4000 off our attendance ? That equates to millions of pounds...
I don't envy buries job, however simply selling and not replacing with like for like won't sell tickets next season
I think season tickets will drop but I think 4000 is a bit pessimistic, though it is true that we might be missing that many from some midweek games.
I can't get there myself in the week sometimes, but I don't want to give up my season ticket.
Those that I know who are considering giving it up, are thinking that they will do more away games, because the atmosphere is usually better, so if we sing up, and the players give us something to shout about we will retain a few more. It isn't about the money for some, it is about the amount of Saturdays the missus will give them a pass for. The club needs those passes to be for home games. A working man needs to enjoy his weekend.
Performances and atmosphere at home is going to be the decider.
Don't go that far yet, let s wait and see if we can get promoted this season, who knows, maybe we a bit of luck and 2 or 3 good signings this could be either a great season or a consolidation near the play offs with a different manager and different style.
no to positive, no to negative, just realistic!!
[quote][p][bold]Baldseagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baldseagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PressBoxTeaBoy[/bold] wrote: Troubling times at the Amex? Lost our ambition? Whats going on? Players dont seem to want to come here? Even lesser lower league players are turning us down? We're being turned down for clubs with lesser resources and weaker futures?. Why are we going after so many of the above? Does this mean we're building for the championship again? Why would we have wanted Grabban, average Lge One/Championship? What happened to Oscar's Barca and Spanish contacts? Who really is making these player target choices? What exactly is our plan here? Is Bridcutt following Barnes out the door? "If" Bridcutt goes, and the club will know that right now, wouldn't we at least be chasing some more heavyweight targets with the planned proceeds from Bridcutt? Maybe we're not chasing anyone decent because Bridcutt will nit be allowed to go? (That would be daft in my mind). Are we destined to be what Gus was running away from, a healthy sustainable business project that lacks the ability to follow ambition and actually be capable of promotion. Has the money angle completely trumped the football angle? Answers on a postcard please ..............[/p][/quote]No. No. No, 2 players have chosen other options. No, we are being turned down for longer contracts and regular starts. Because they fill the holes we have. Building for a Championship promotion winning side. To replace Ashley Barnes. Oscar still has his contacts, but it was fans that expected him to exploit them, he never claimed he would. Burke, Oscar and Jones. To get promoted to the Prem without going into administration, being fined or hit with a transfer embargo. Probably. Won't be signing any heavyweights unless we sell one, except maybe a loan for crofts. Maybe. We are destined to be in the Premier League, Gus was running to something more than away from something, he had hit his ceiling here and needed more money to spend. Money always has the last say, everyone has a budget, but some of our rivals are breaking FFP rules, or are in receipt of parachute payments, or both, and they have mopped up many of the best players in the division. Of the clubs sitting in the top 11 slots in the Championship, I reckon only 4 will be neither overspending or in receipt of parachute payments. BHA, Derby, Ipswich and Middlesborough. And I am not certain about Boro and Ipswich.[/p][/quote]All good valid points , however does anyone seriously think this won't effect season ticket sales? What happens when we lose 4000 off our attendance ? That equates to millions of pounds... I don't envy buries job, however simply selling and not replacing with like for like won't sell tickets next season[/p][/quote]I think season tickets will drop but I think 4000 is a bit pessimistic, though it is true that we might be missing that many from some midweek games. I can't get there myself in the week sometimes, but I don't want to give up my season ticket. Those that I know who are considering giving it up, are thinking that they will do more away games, because the atmosphere is usually better, so if we sing up, and the players give us something to shout about we will retain a few more. It isn't about the money for some, it is about the amount of Saturdays the missus will give them a pass for. The club needs those passes to be for home games. A working man needs to enjoy his weekend. Performances and atmosphere at home is going to be the decider.[/p][/quote]Don't go that far yet, let s wait and see if we can get promoted this season, who knows, maybe we a bit of luck and 2 or 3 good signings this could be either a great season or a consolidation near the play offs with a different manager and different style. no to positive, no to negative, just realistic!! searich1983

1:14pm Sun 26 Jan 14

tinker111 says...

No Big miss think we need a lot better as we have good cover at C/back
No Big miss think we need a lot better as we have good cover at C/back tinker111

1:29pm Sun 26 Jan 14

Gee Jay says...

CMS and Hosko creeping nearer to fitness, a couple of loan signings, we scrape a play off place.
Fans happy, encouraged for next season, two decent signings in the summer, Oscar having all the pre-season to prepare.
Result.......season tickets renewed, bums on seats.
Nearly every team in country has season ticket holders who say 'i'm not renewing my ticket next year' and supporters that say 'I'm not coming next week' but they do, and they will..........they always will, we can't live without that 'fix'
CMS and Hosko creeping nearer to fitness, a couple of loan signings, we scrape a play off place. Fans happy, encouraged for next season, two decent signings in the summer, Oscar having all the pre-season to prepare. Result.......season tickets renewed, bums on seats. Nearly every team in country has season ticket holders who say 'i'm not renewing my ticket next year' and supporters that say 'I'm not coming next week' but they do, and they will..........they always will, we can't live without that 'fix' Gee Jay

4:03pm Sun 26 Jan 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Gordon Greer signed for brighton. 2010 fee of £250k aged 29 lol
Some of you even say he does not want to be here in case we get promoted to the PL what rubbish!
(a) What is the relevance? No-one has mentioned Greer.
(b) Freeloaders has returned.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: Gordon Greer signed for brighton. 2010 fee of £250k aged 29 lol Some of you even say he does not want to be here in case we get promoted to the PL what rubbish![/p][/quote](a) What is the relevance? No-one has mentioned Greer. (b) Freeloaders has returned. Ex-pat Arnie

7:19pm Sun 26 Jan 14

KeefyH69 says...

pjwilk wrote:
Millwall and Bournmouth have more pulling power than us,they must have been reading about how the Blues Bros are dragging our playing staff down and will not pay more than minimum wages.
Wish I could be on their "minimum wages!"
[quote][p][bold]pjwilk[/bold] wrote: Millwall and Bournmouth have more pulling power than us,they must have been reading about how the Blues Bros are dragging our playing staff down and will not pay more than minimum wages.[/p][/quote]Wish I could be on their "minimum wages!" KeefyH69

9:44pm Sun 26 Jan 14

barnieb says...

Going to resist a cheap joke about an Irish footballer who thought Millwall was a better proposition than BHA .Must secretly enjoy Div 1 football.
Going to resist a cheap joke about an Irish footballer who thought Millwall was a better proposition than BHA .Must secretly enjoy Div 1 football. barnieb

11:01pm Sun 26 Jan 14

Tony the tiger eastbourne says...

Obviously the blokes got no ambitious, he would rather pick some toilet of a ground in London over our futuristic ground and training facilities in Sussex.
Obviously the blokes got no ambitious, he would rather pick some toilet of a ground in London over our futuristic ground and training facilities in Sussex. Tony the tiger eastbourne

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