Transfer window watch: Striker bait thickens the plot in Sunderland's pursuit of Albion pair

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Sunderland will try to prise Liam Bridcutt and Will Buckley away from Albion - by using a striker as bait.

According to reports in the North-East England under 21 marksman Connor Wickham, recalled from a loan spell at Sheffield Wednesday, is part of the Black Cats' plot to land Bridcutt and Buckley before the transfer window shuts on Friday night.

Albion are desperate for a striker after selling Ashley Barnes to tonight's opponents Burnley.

 

The prolific Wickham, recalled from his loan at Sheffield 48 hours ahead of schedule, would be an attractive proposition for the Seagulls.

The respective valuations of the three players involved could, however, cause difficulties as Albion may only be able to borrow Wickham rather than buy him.

Sunderland's former Albion boss Gus Poyet reportedly has a back-up plan if he cannot clinch Bridcutt's signature - Argentinian Ever Banega from Valencia.

Neither Bridcutt or Buckley will be involved again for Albion at Burnley this evening, Bridcutt because his mind is still not focused and Buckley because he has not fully recovered from further hamstring trouble.

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9:13am Tue 28 Jan 14

pablobrowno says...

Poor Bridcutt. Such hard times for footballers these days. Anyone would think that there was more to playing a football match than simply turning up and.....playing football...to the best of your ability! Absolutely ridiculous. He's a Brighton player and should be playing, not holding the club to ransom!
Poor Bridcutt. Such hard times for footballers these days. Anyone would think that there was more to playing a football match than simply turning up and.....playing football...to the best of your ability! Absolutely ridiculous. He's a Brighton player and should be playing, not holding the club to ransom! pablobrowno

9:13am Tue 28 Jan 14

Alfie T says...

Sell Bridcutt and Buckley and borrow Wickham, come on the Lizzard, let's see what your made of.
Sell Bridcutt and Buckley and borrow Wickham, come on the Lizzard, let's see what your made of. Alfie T

9:17am Tue 28 Jan 14

batray says...

Need to get this sorted in next day or so and not late Friday night or may all go belly up
Need to get this sorted in next day or so and not late Friday night or may all go belly up batray

9:17am Tue 28 Jan 14

Uckfield Seagull says...

I have said before and I have said again, if Bridcutt and Buckley want to leave then I have no problem with that, I would much rather have players who want to give 100% every week and wear the blue and white shirt, Buckley is always injured so not sure whether he can cope with demands of premiership, Bridcutt is quality but if the boy wants to leave then let him go, nobody is bigger than the club, if we can get Wickham then personally I would be happy with that.
Also said before is that we will realise our premiership dream without these 2 players, we have one of the best stadiums in the world, we have a fantastic youth set up who are developing fantastic young players, we have a chairman who bleeds blue and white like the fans, we have the best fans in the country who have lived more highs and lows than most, we have a manager who has performed outstandingly through difficult times in his first season, we are financially sound and wont suffer the same fate as many who have over spent, we obviously have people behind the scenes who know there stuff, we live in an outstanding city, above all, we will realise our premiership dream without Bridcutt and Buckley whether it this year, next or a few seasons time, we are a amazing club being well run and looked after, we will achieve the dream in the best possible way
I have said before and I have said again, if Bridcutt and Buckley want to leave then I have no problem with that, I would much rather have players who want to give 100% every week and wear the blue and white shirt, Buckley is always injured so not sure whether he can cope with demands of premiership, Bridcutt is quality but if the boy wants to leave then let him go, nobody is bigger than the club, if we can get Wickham then personally I would be happy with that. Also said before is that we will realise our premiership dream without these 2 players, we have one of the best stadiums in the world, we have a fantastic youth set up who are developing fantastic young players, we have a chairman who bleeds blue and white like the fans, we have the best fans in the country who have lived more highs and lows than most, we have a manager who has performed outstandingly through difficult times in his first season, we are financially sound and wont suffer the same fate as many who have over spent, we obviously have people behind the scenes who know there stuff, we live in an outstanding city, above all, we will realise our premiership dream without Bridcutt and Buckley whether it this year, next or a few seasons time, we are a amazing club being well run and looked after, we will achieve the dream in the best possible way Uckfield Seagull

9:18am Tue 28 Jan 14

Tonyuk175 says...

Agree the lads done well at sheffield so why not add him to our squad but lets get him for good in the deal !
Agree the lads done well at sheffield so why not add him to our squad but lets get him for good in the deal ! Tonyuk175

9:20am Tue 28 Jan 14

Aye Aye says...

pablobrowno wrote:
Poor Bridcutt. Such hard times for footballers these days. Anyone would think that there was more to playing a football match than simply turning up and.....playing football...to the best of your ability! Absolutely ridiculous. He's a Brighton player and should be playing, not holding the club to ransom!
I agree - it might focus his mind if they fined him for breach of contract (and we have form in that respect!)
[quote][p][bold]pablobrowno[/bold] wrote: Poor Bridcutt. Such hard times for footballers these days. Anyone would think that there was more to playing a football match than simply turning up and.....playing football...to the best of your ability! Absolutely ridiculous. He's a Brighton player and should be playing, not holding the club to ransom![/p][/quote]I agree - it might focus his mind if they fined him for breach of contract (and we have form in that respect!) Aye Aye

9:21am Tue 28 Jan 14

tug509 says...

I would rather see Wickham sign a two and a half year deal ,plus at least 3m cash in the bank for us . As for bridcutt ,if you think your disgraceful antics wont be remembered further down the line in your career ,then you as big a mug as you have played us for ! good riddance .
I would rather see Wickham sign a two and a half year deal ,plus at least 3m cash in the bank for us . As for bridcutt ,if you think your disgraceful antics wont be remembered further down the line in your career ,then you as big a mug as you have played us for ! good riddance . tug509

9:22am Tue 28 Jan 14

Albion In Staffs says...

"Albion boss Gus Poyet reportedly has a back-up plan...."
Which is journalist speak for 'Gus has told him'.
That said, I'd therefore suggest Andy's story is fairly accurate!!!!!
"Albion boss Gus Poyet reportedly has a back-up plan...." Which is journalist speak for 'Gus has told him'. That said, I'd therefore suggest Andy's story is fairly accurate!!!!! Albion In Staffs

9:23am Tue 28 Jan 14

Yorkieseagull says...

I wonder if Bridcutt manages to get his wages paid this week, or perhaps the accounts department at The Amex are not sufficiently focussed to press 'send' to confirm the transfer? He is an outstanding talent and we were lucky to have him for a while, but let's not get too emotional about losing another mercenary to a club with deeper pockets (for the moment).
I wonder if Bridcutt manages to get his wages paid this week, or perhaps the accounts department at The Amex are not sufficiently focussed to press 'send' to confirm the transfer? He is an outstanding talent and we were lucky to have him for a while, but let's not get too emotional about losing another mercenary to a club with deeper pockets (for the moment). Yorkieseagull

9:26am Tue 28 Jan 14

Alfie T says...

Liam's time is up with us, but I really want Buckley to stay,and I get the feeling he's happy to remain a Brighton player. 4 mill for Liam and Wickham on loan for the rest of the season. Get Conway back and another one in midfield, any lower league clubs with a Horton or Gralish to pinch?
Liam's time is up with us, but I really want Buckley to stay,and I get the feeling he's happy to remain a Brighton player. 4 mill for Liam and Wickham on loan for the rest of the season. Get Conway back and another one in midfield, any lower league clubs with a Horton or Gralish to pinch? Alfie T

9:30am Tue 28 Jan 14

Boston Boy says...

I called my boss this morning and told him I wasn't in the right frame of mind. I am sure you are interested to know he still invited me in to do the job I am paid for
I called my boss this morning and told him I wasn't in the right frame of mind. I am sure you are interested to know he still invited me in to do the job I am paid for Boston Boy

9:33am Tue 28 Jan 14

farside says...

Bridcutt not being focussed also protects the club's asset from being injured ahead of a sale.
A swop between Buckley and Wickham (with maybe a lower cash valuation on Bridcutt) would save us paying Watford a sell on fee. Good business if it could be agreed. Hard to believe Will is still injured. Didnt OG simply say he wasnt training with the group? So definitely two more players out.
Conway going to Blackburn rumour on SKY yesterday hence, presumably, we are chasing Carayol.
Still urgently need cover for Crofts' goal threat from midfield though
Bridcutt not being focussed also protects the club's asset from being injured ahead of a sale. A swop between Buckley and Wickham (with maybe a lower cash valuation on Bridcutt) would save us paying Watford a sell on fee. Good business if it could be agreed. Hard to believe Will is still injured. Didnt OG simply say he wasnt training with the group? So definitely two more players out. Conway going to Blackburn rumour on SKY yesterday hence, presumably, we are chasing Carayol. Still urgently need cover for Crofts' goal threat from midfield though farside

9:37am Tue 28 Jan 14

Alan G Skinner says...

Borrow Wickham?? BORROW Wickham. Well you can't say Sunderland haven't got a sense of humour. Sunderland want to buy, we don't want to sell. We are in the driving seat, we are the ones who should be making demands. Does Oscar even want Wickham?? If he does it should be a permanent long term deal. Otherwise we sell two of our most important players and in return we pay a Sunderland players wages and give him experience which ultimately benefits........ oh yes Sunderland again. If they really want Liam, we should tell them to put up or shut up. If we value Liam at £6m, they should pay £6m, up front, hard cold hard cash, not in instalments, not with a 5% sell on clause, not more when he scores 100 goals etc etc. Pay up or go away.
Borrow Wickham?? BORROW Wickham. Well you can't say Sunderland haven't got a sense of humour. Sunderland want to buy, we don't want to sell. We are in the driving seat, we are the ones who should be making demands. Does Oscar even want Wickham?? If he does it should be a permanent long term deal. Otherwise we sell two of our most important players and in return we pay a Sunderland players wages and give him experience which ultimately benefits........ oh yes Sunderland again. If they really want Liam, we should tell them to put up or shut up. If we value Liam at £6m, they should pay £6m, up front, hard cold hard cash, not in instalments, not with a 5% sell on clause, not more when he scores 100 goals etc etc. Pay up or go away. Alan G Skinner

9:37am Tue 28 Jan 14

Tonyuk175 says...

Were not a one player club were doing as good as last year

Rohan Ince one day LB will want to be as good as you!

LETS GET RID AND MOVE ON UTA
Were not a one player club were doing as good as last year Rohan Ince one day LB will want to be as good as you! LETS GET RID AND MOVE ON UTA Tonyuk175

9:37am Tue 28 Jan 14

russellsnr2 says...

I would like as we all would to see this sorted ASAP but if we take a player on loan is that equal to a player who is under contract but his mind is not on it?
A player on loan is not 100% an Albion player so in my humble opinion we if he is what we need should buy Wickham and if he is not for sale tell Mr Poyet neither is Liam or Buckley.
I still cannot figure out why we have not reached into the Spanish market again, last time we did we came out with a piece of gold!!!
I would like as we all would to see this sorted ASAP but if we take a player on loan is that equal to a player who is under contract but his mind is not on it? A player on loan is not 100% an Albion player so in my humble opinion we if he is what we need should buy Wickham and if he is not for sale tell Mr Poyet neither is Liam or Buckley. I still cannot figure out why we have not reached into the Spanish market again, last time we did we came out with a piece of gold!!! russellsnr2

9:41am Tue 28 Jan 14

Tonyuk175 says...

Why not staight swap for cattermole and wickham???
Why not staight swap for cattermole and wickham??? Tonyuk175

9:46am Tue 28 Jan 14

SMF20 says...

If Wickham is to only be a sweetener on loan then I'd hope that the club would be looking at receiving £6-7m cash from Sunderland for our 2 departing boys.
If however Wickham was to be more permanent, which would be my personal preference then perhaps we should accept him + £2-3m.

Lots of players having there say at the moment rightly or wrongly... I look at this and think that what they are probably thinking about is if we still have the ambition we seemed to have a season back... I'd really hate to lose Kuz and Upson because they don't see us progessing further.
It must be hard for the players too seeing good lads leave and also knowing that 2 of our best might be gone by Friday.
I think personally that everyone at the club could do with a bit of a pick up at the moment.
Yes we are heading in the right direction and yes we are doing it in the right way and by the rules... For now though we have stalled and imho we need a kick start.

Here's to a great result tonight and a strong finish to the week as far as transfers are concerned.

Onwards uta
If Wickham is to only be a sweetener on loan then I'd hope that the club would be looking at receiving £6-7m cash from Sunderland for our 2 departing boys. If however Wickham was to be more permanent, which would be my personal preference then perhaps we should accept him + £2-3m. Lots of players having there say at the moment rightly or wrongly... I look at this and think that what they are probably thinking about is if we still have the ambition we seemed to have a season back... I'd really hate to lose Kuz and Upson because they don't see us progessing further. It must be hard for the players too seeing good lads leave and also knowing that 2 of our best might be gone by Friday. I think personally that everyone at the club could do with a bit of a pick up at the moment. Yes we are heading in the right direction and yes we are doing it in the right way and by the rules... For now though we have stalled and imho we need a kick start. Here's to a great result tonight and a strong finish to the week as far as transfers are concerned. Onwards uta SMF20

9:52am Tue 28 Jan 14

4everaseagull says...

So Bridcutt's mind is still not focused. How pathetic this has become. I appreciate that football is a unique industry in some ways but if the vast majority of the working population told their boss they did not feel able to work as they were not feeling focused enough they would either be told pull your finger out and turn up, or you will not get your wage packet this week. This just shows how ridiculous the January transfer window has become, it is potentially disruptive. Bridcutt has been fantastic for us but equally we as a club have been fantastic for him so it works both ways. I would imagine that as a result of this many Albion fans who were hoping he would stay now think the opposite as if he clearly does not have the desire to stay I say get rid. In my opinion and I will probably get shot down now but it is after all about opinions we shall be better without Liam as when he does play everything slows down when he receives the ball. Ince will become a far better player in the long term so get the best deal we can and if that includes Wickham then yes please and we move on. As for Buckley I am not concerned if he leaves as since he signed his new contract he has been average at best. Again we have a ready made replacement in young Solly March who is far more exciting.
So Bridcutt's mind is still not focused. How pathetic this has become. I appreciate that football is a unique industry in some ways but if the vast majority of the working population told their boss they did not feel able to work as they were not feeling focused enough they would either be told pull your finger out and turn up, or you will not get your wage packet this week. This just shows how ridiculous the January transfer window has become, it is potentially disruptive. Bridcutt has been fantastic for us but equally we as a club have been fantastic for him so it works both ways. I would imagine that as a result of this many Albion fans who were hoping he would stay now think the opposite as if he clearly does not have the desire to stay I say get rid. In my opinion and I will probably get shot down now but it is after all about opinions we shall be better without Liam as when he does play everything slows down when he receives the ball. Ince will become a far better player in the long term so get the best deal we can and if that includes Wickham then yes please and we move on. As for Buckley I am not concerned if he leaves as since he signed his new contract he has been average at best. Again we have a ready made replacement in young Solly March who is far more exciting. 4everaseagull

9:55am Tue 28 Jan 14

Far gull says...

Spot on . This week crucially not just for this season for the next couple.
Spot on . This week crucially not just for this season for the next couple. Far gull

9:57am Tue 28 Jan 14

tonypulis says...

Your chairman holds all the cards in this transfer saga. He's biding his time and will get your club a fantastic deal. It's a 'Tony' thing. Just wait and see.
Your chairman holds all the cards in this transfer saga. He's biding his time and will get your club a fantastic deal. It's a 'Tony' thing. Just wait and see. tonypulis

9:58am Tue 28 Jan 14

Ryecroft says...

Bridcutt is a disgrace . He has let down all the fans who have supported him during his time with the club.
Bridcutt is a disgrace . He has let down all the fans who have supported him during his time with the club. Ryecroft

10:03am Tue 28 Jan 14

SMF20 says...

Alan G Skinner wrote:
Borrow Wickham?? BORROW Wickham. Well you can't say Sunderland haven't got a sense of humour. Sunderland want to buy, we don't want to sell. We are in the driving seat, we are the ones who should be making demands. Does Oscar even want Wickham?? If he does it should be a permanent long term deal. Otherwise we sell two of our most important players and in return we pay a Sunderland players wages and give him experience which ultimately benefits........ oh yes Sunderland again. If they really want Liam, we should tell them to put up or shut up. If we value Liam at £6m, they should pay £6m, up front, hard cold hard cash, not in instalments, not with a 5% sell on clause, not more when he scores 100 goals etc etc. Pay up or go away.
Great post again.. Lots of passion and my sentiments exactly.
[quote][p][bold]Alan G Skinner[/bold] wrote: Borrow Wickham?? BORROW Wickham. Well you can't say Sunderland haven't got a sense of humour. Sunderland want to buy, we don't want to sell. We are in the driving seat, we are the ones who should be making demands. Does Oscar even want Wickham?? If he does it should be a permanent long term deal. Otherwise we sell two of our most important players and in return we pay a Sunderland players wages and give him experience which ultimately benefits........ oh yes Sunderland again. If they really want Liam, we should tell them to put up or shut up. If we value Liam at £6m, they should pay £6m, up front, hard cold hard cash, not in instalments, not with a 5% sell on clause, not more when he scores 100 goals etc etc. Pay up or go away.[/p][/quote]Great post again.. Lots of passion and my sentiments exactly. SMF20

10:06am Tue 28 Jan 14

a_j_m says...

pablobrowno wrote:
Poor Bridcutt. Such hard times for footballers these days. Anyone would think that there was more to playing a football match than simply turning up and.....playing football...to the best of your ability! Absolutely ridiculous. He's a Brighton player and should be playing, not holding the club to ransom!
club's always say this, what they mean is 'we're about to cash in on an asset and not going to risk him receiving a potential career ending injury while we wait for it to go through'

don't blame Liam a brilliant servant for the club integral to all our success in last 3 seasons, who i'm sure would play and perform if asked...
[quote][p][bold]pablobrowno[/bold] wrote: Poor Bridcutt. Such hard times for footballers these days. Anyone would think that there was more to playing a football match than simply turning up and.....playing football...to the best of your ability! Absolutely ridiculous. He's a Brighton player and should be playing, not holding the club to ransom![/p][/quote]club's always say this, what they mean is 'we're about to cash in on an asset and not going to risk him receiving a potential career ending injury while we wait for it to go through' don't blame Liam a brilliant servant for the club integral to all our success in last 3 seasons, who i'm sure would play and perform if asked... a_j_m

10:12am Tue 28 Jan 14

B-hove says...

Bridcutt was gone the moment GP took a managerial appointment with a Premiership club. Wickham for Bridcutt would be good business, I think.

Unless Buckley wants away, I’d like BHA to keep him. He is the one player we have who takes the ball past defenders right to the byeline, and can square it back and find a BHA player. He links exceptionally well with Bruno. Get him fit (I know that is an issue) and he’s a genuine match-winner.
Bridcutt was gone the moment GP took a managerial appointment with a Premiership club. Wickham for Bridcutt would be good business, I think. Unless Buckley wants away, I’d like BHA to keep him. He is the one player we have who takes the ball past defenders right to the byeline, and can square it back and find a BHA player. He links exceptionally well with Bruno. Get him fit (I know that is an issue) and he’s a genuine match-winner. B-hove

10:15am Tue 28 Jan 14

albionbloke says...

You're a disgrace Bridcu*t, you're just taking the p*ss out of us now. I don't disrespect the fact that you have ambitions and want to move on with your career but the way you're now treating the fans that have supported you (and the club that is paying you) is downright shameful. The sooner you get on yer bike and get out of here, the better. Run away and join Poyet, you suit each other with your classless attitude. (But thanks for what you HAVE done in the past...I won't begrudge you that)
You're a disgrace Bridcu*t, you're just taking the p*ss out of us now. I don't disrespect the fact that you have ambitions and want to move on with your career but the way you're now treating the fans that have supported you (and the club that is paying you) is downright shameful. The sooner you get on yer bike and get out of here, the better. Run away and join Poyet, you suit each other with your classless attitude. (But thanks for what you HAVE done in the past...I won't begrudge you that) albionbloke

10:20am Tue 28 Jan 14

tonypulis says...

a_j_m wrote:
pablobrowno wrote:
Poor Bridcutt. Such hard times for footballers these days. Anyone would think that there was more to playing a football match than simply turning up and.....playing football...to the best of your ability! Absolutely ridiculous. He's a Brighton player and should be playing, not holding the club to ransom!
club's always say this, what they mean is 'we're about to cash in on an asset and not going to risk him receiving a potential career ending injury while we wait for it to go through'

don't blame Liam a brilliant servant for the club integral to all our success in last 3 seasons, who i'm sure would play and perform if asked...
Spot on. It's business pure and simple. No room for sentimentality whatsoever. A cool head and a clear mind is what is needed here. Who has more of those attributes here? Tony or Gus? Gus thinks he is in control, but he isn't. Gus will blink first. Fantastic deal coming your way.
[quote][p][bold]a_j_m[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pablobrowno[/bold] wrote: Poor Bridcutt. Such hard times for footballers these days. Anyone would think that there was more to playing a football match than simply turning up and.....playing football...to the best of your ability! Absolutely ridiculous. He's a Brighton player and should be playing, not holding the club to ransom![/p][/quote]club's always say this, what they mean is 'we're about to cash in on an asset and not going to risk him receiving a potential career ending injury while we wait for it to go through' don't blame Liam a brilliant servant for the club integral to all our success in last 3 seasons, who i'm sure would play and perform if asked...[/p][/quote]Spot on. It's business pure and simple. No room for sentimentality whatsoever. A cool head and a clear mind is what is needed here. Who has more of those attributes here? Tony or Gus? Gus thinks he is in control, but he isn't. Gus will blink first. Fantastic deal coming your way. tonypulis

10:29am Tue 28 Jan 14

mark by the sea says...

I suggested this deal three weeks ago ! Lad is class striker 100 appearances at premier or championship level and 20 years old
I suggested this deal three weeks ago ! Lad is class striker 100 appearances at premier or championship level and 20 years old mark by the sea

10:29am Tue 28 Jan 14

Wrapson Family says...

This was inevitable Wickham is only 20 but has lots of experience at this level and higher. It is now a question of price and ensuring we have an experienced player to help Ince who looks like an excellent prospect
This was inevitable Wickham is only 20 but has lots of experience at this level and higher. It is now a question of price and ensuring we have an experienced player to help Ince who looks like an excellent prospect Wrapson Family

10:31am Tue 28 Jan 14

pjwilk says...

pablobrowno wrote:
Poor Bridcutt. Such hard times for footballers these days. Anyone would think that there was more to playing a football match than simply turning up and.....playing football...to the best of your ability! Absolutely ridiculous. He's a Brighton player and should be playing, not holding the club to ransom!
Is his mind focused on his bank account,if he refused to play his money should be stopped.
[quote][p][bold]pablobrowno[/bold] wrote: Poor Bridcutt. Such hard times for footballers these days. Anyone would think that there was more to playing a football match than simply turning up and.....playing football...to the best of your ability! Absolutely ridiculous. He's a Brighton player and should be playing, not holding the club to ransom![/p][/quote]Is his mind focused on his bank account,if he refused to play his money should be stopped. pjwilk

10:38am Tue 28 Jan 14

pjwilk says...

I agree we need Wickham on a permanent deal,lets get away from these loan deals and get a settled team.
I agree we need Wickham on a permanent deal,lets get away from these loan deals and get a settled team. pjwilk

10:40am Tue 28 Jan 14

fratsomrover says...

What a sad scenario this transfer window is creating. Loads of rumour and gossip which does nothing more than totally destabilise team morale. LB has suddenly gone from Hero to Zero because he's been tapped up by our former manager. Of course I can understand him wanting to go, it furthers his career, but by dragging it out over the whole of January has created this mess that shows both him, as a professional individual, and the club in such poor light.
In all honesty, if he is declining to play because he is not in the right frame of mind, then he shouldn't draw his wages. It is disgraceful if he does. And all the time the club is his employer, then he should face sanctions from the club by being fined. I wonder how his Albion team mates feel about him "not being in the right frame of mind". i dont see any going back from this position, so his position here is now untenable. But it is a sad end for someone who has contributed so much to the club.
Buckley is another issue. I hope he stays because I find him potentially one of the most exciting players we have ever had. He is a bit injury prone, but I dont think we've seen the best of him yet and I'd love him to be an Albion player when he does reach his zenith.
As for Wickham as a bargaining tool, well I'm not too sure he'll fit in too well alongside Ulloa. Both similar types of centre forward. He's good, can score goals and has youth on his side, but it may take a bit of time bedding him in if he is going to play alongside Ulloa. Still it would give us two big, skillful centre forwards, but then would we play them both together and change our approach to playing just one up top. I wouldn't mind that but not sure if OG would
What a sad scenario this transfer window is creating. Loads of rumour and gossip which does nothing more than totally destabilise team morale. LB has suddenly gone from Hero to Zero because he's been tapped up by our former manager. Of course I can understand him wanting to go, it furthers his career, but by dragging it out over the whole of January has created this mess that shows both him, as a professional individual, and the club in such poor light. In all honesty, if he is declining to play because he is not in the right frame of mind, then he shouldn't draw his wages. It is disgraceful if he does. And all the time the club is his employer, then he should face sanctions from the club by being fined. I wonder how his Albion team mates feel about him "not being in the right frame of mind". i dont see any going back from this position, so his position here is now untenable. But it is a sad end for someone who has contributed so much to the club. Buckley is another issue. I hope he stays because I find him potentially one of the most exciting players we have ever had. He is a bit injury prone, but I dont think we've seen the best of him yet and I'd love him to be an Albion player when he does reach his zenith. As for Wickham as a bargaining tool, well I'm not too sure he'll fit in too well alongside Ulloa. Both similar types of centre forward. He's good, can score goals and has youth on his side, but it may take a bit of time bedding him in if he is going to play alongside Ulloa. Still it would give us two big, skillful centre forwards, but then would we play them both together and change our approach to playing just one up top. I wouldn't mind that but not sure if OG would fratsomrover

10:48am Tue 28 Jan 14

mark by the sea says...

fratsomrover wrote:
What a sad scenario this transfer window is creating. Loads of rumour and gossip which does nothing more than totally destabilise team morale. LB has suddenly gone from Hero to Zero because he's been tapped up by our former manager. Of course I can understand him wanting to go, it furthers his career, but by dragging it out over the whole of January has created this mess that shows both him, as a professional individual, and the club in such poor light.
In all honesty, if he is declining to play because he is not in the right frame of mind, then he shouldn't draw his wages. It is disgraceful if he does. And all the time the club is his employer, then he should face sanctions from the club by being fined. I wonder how his Albion team mates feel about him "not being in the right frame of mind". i dont see any going back from this position, so his position here is now untenable. But it is a sad end for someone who has contributed so much to the club.
Buckley is another issue. I hope he stays because I find him potentially one of the most exciting players we have ever had. He is a bit injury prone, but I dont think we've seen the best of him yet and I'd love him to be an Albion player when he does reach his zenith.
As for Wickham as a bargaining tool, well I'm not too sure he'll fit in too well alongside Ulloa. Both similar types of centre forward. He's good, can score goals and has youth on his side, but it may take a bit of time bedding him in if he is going to play alongside Ulloa. Still it would give us two big, skillful centre forwards, but then would we play them both together and change our approach to playing just one up top. I wouldn't mind that but not sure if OG would
He can play left channel ,
[quote][p][bold]fratsomrover[/bold] wrote: What a sad scenario this transfer window is creating. Loads of rumour and gossip which does nothing more than totally destabilise team morale. LB has suddenly gone from Hero to Zero because he's been tapped up by our former manager. Of course I can understand him wanting to go, it furthers his career, but by dragging it out over the whole of January has created this mess that shows both him, as a professional individual, and the club in such poor light. In all honesty, if he is declining to play because he is not in the right frame of mind, then he shouldn't draw his wages. It is disgraceful if he does. And all the time the club is his employer, then he should face sanctions from the club by being fined. I wonder how his Albion team mates feel about him "not being in the right frame of mind". i dont see any going back from this position, so his position here is now untenable. But it is a sad end for someone who has contributed so much to the club. Buckley is another issue. I hope he stays because I find him potentially one of the most exciting players we have ever had. He is a bit injury prone, but I dont think we've seen the best of him yet and I'd love him to be an Albion player when he does reach his zenith. As for Wickham as a bargaining tool, well I'm not too sure he'll fit in too well alongside Ulloa. Both similar types of centre forward. He's good, can score goals and has youth on his side, but it may take a bit of time bedding him in if he is going to play alongside Ulloa. Still it would give us two big, skillful centre forwards, but then would we play them both together and change our approach to playing just one up top. I wouldn't mind that but not sure if OG would[/p][/quote]He can play left channel , mark by the sea

10:52am Tue 28 Jan 14

Gardenboy says...

I guess Liam's mind is on the potential for a salary three and a half times what he's getting at Brighton. Good luck to him, he deserves Premiership wages!
I guess Liam's mind is on the potential for a salary three and a half times what he's getting at Brighton. Good luck to him, he deserves Premiership wages! Gardenboy

10:55am Tue 28 Jan 14

tug509 says...

a_j_m wrote:
pablobrowno wrote:
Poor Bridcutt. Such hard times for footballers these days. Anyone would think that there was more to playing a football match than simply turning up and.....playing football...to the best of your ability! Absolutely ridiculous. He's a Brighton player and should be playing, not holding the club to ransom!
club's always say this, what they mean is 'we're about to cash in on an asset and not going to risk him receiving a potential career ending injury while we wait for it to go through'

don't blame Liam a brilliant servant for the club integral to all our success in last 3 seasons, who i'm sure would play and perform if asked...
I`m sorry this can not be the case in this instance . We are all aware that a player ,soon to be a part of a transfer deal ,be it a PX ,a swap or just a straight signing ,are kept out of harms way ,but this was different . Firstly we were told Bridcutt was fit and training with the rest of the squad ,and secondly ,if this was not a forced issue rather than a pre-agreement ,why did LB force the situation and make it public ,by openly asking for a transfer ?.

And if you believe ,at any point he would have played if asked ,then why did he say ,( back of hand across forehead ,head tilted slightly to the right and up ) i`m not in the right frame of mind ???. If he was respectful to The Albion ,he could simply have said what he wanted behind closed doors ,and we could have simply said ,the guy is injured ,everyone saves face ,no one despises GP or LB ,both of them knew exactly ,the effect it would have imho !.

UTA
[quote][p][bold]a_j_m[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pablobrowno[/bold] wrote: Poor Bridcutt. Such hard times for footballers these days. Anyone would think that there was more to playing a football match than simply turning up and.....playing football...to the best of your ability! Absolutely ridiculous. He's a Brighton player and should be playing, not holding the club to ransom![/p][/quote]club's always say this, what they mean is 'we're about to cash in on an asset and not going to risk him receiving a potential career ending injury while we wait for it to go through' don't blame Liam a brilliant servant for the club integral to all our success in last 3 seasons, who i'm sure would play and perform if asked...[/p][/quote]I`m sorry this can not be the case in this instance . We are all aware that a player ,soon to be a part of a transfer deal ,be it a PX ,a swap or just a straight signing ,are kept out of harms way ,but this was different . Firstly we were told Bridcutt was fit and training with the rest of the squad ,and secondly ,if this was not a forced issue rather than a pre-agreement ,why did LB force the situation and make it public ,by openly asking for a transfer ?. And if you believe ,at any point he would have played if asked ,then why did he say ,( back of hand across forehead ,head tilted slightly to the right and up ) i`m not in the right frame of mind ???. If he was respectful to The Albion ,he could simply have said what he wanted behind closed doors ,and we could have simply said ,the guy is injured ,everyone saves face ,no one despises GP or LB ,both of them knew exactly ,the effect it would have imho !. UTA tug509

11:03am Tue 28 Jan 14

Gee Jay says...

Uckfield Seagull wrote:
I have said before and I have said again, if Bridcutt and Buckley want to leave then I have no problem with that, I would much rather have players who want to give 100% every week and wear the blue and white shirt, Buckley is always injured so not sure whether he can cope with demands of premiership, Bridcutt is quality but if the boy wants to leave then let him go, nobody is bigger than the club, if we can get Wickham then personally I would be happy with that. Also said before is that we will realise our premiership dream without these 2 players, we have one of the best stadiums in the world, we have a fantastic youth set up who are developing fantastic young players, we have a chairman who bleeds blue and white like the fans, we have the best fans in the country who have lived more highs and lows than most, we have a manager who has performed outstandingly through difficult times in his first season, we are financially sound and wont suffer the same fate as many who have over spent, we obviously have people behind the scenes who know there stuff, we live in an outstanding city, above all, we will realise our premiership dream without Bridcutt and Buckley whether it this year, next or a few seasons time, we are a amazing club being well run and looked after, we will achieve the dream in the best possible way
If I could give this 10 'Thumbs-up' I would!

Connor Wickham on loan at Wednesday, scored 8 in 11 games, not shabby!
He cost Sunderland £8 million, his wages must be high, and that is why we might only have him on loan as part of any deal.
Gus still wants Liam Bridcut , does he also want Will Buckley, I am not sure, and we don't know.
One thing we do know is that we will need another winger if W.B.goes.
I am still hoping Conway comes back.
[quote][p][bold]Uckfield Seagull[/bold] wrote: I have said before and I have said again, if Bridcutt and Buckley want to leave then I have no problem with that, I would much rather have players who want to give 100% every week and wear the blue and white shirt, Buckley is always injured so not sure whether he can cope with demands of premiership, Bridcutt is quality but if the boy wants to leave then let him go, nobody is bigger than the club, if we can get Wickham then personally I would be happy with that. Also said before is that we will realise our premiership dream without these 2 players, we have one of the best stadiums in the world, we have a fantastic youth set up who are developing fantastic young players, we have a chairman who bleeds blue and white like the fans, we have the best fans in the country who have lived more highs and lows than most, we have a manager who has performed outstandingly through difficult times in his first season, we are financially sound and wont suffer the same fate as many who have over spent, we obviously have people behind the scenes who know there stuff, we live in an outstanding city, above all, we will realise our premiership dream without Bridcutt and Buckley whether it this year, next or a few seasons time, we are a amazing club being well run and looked after, we will achieve the dream in the best possible way[/p][/quote]If I could give this 10 'Thumbs-up' I would! Connor Wickham on loan at Wednesday, scored 8 in 11 games, not shabby! He cost Sunderland £8 million, his wages must be high, and that is why we might only have him on loan as part of any deal. Gus still wants Liam Bridcut , does he also want Will Buckley, I am not sure, and we don't know. One thing we do know is that we will need another winger if W.B.goes. I am still hoping Conway comes back. Gee Jay

11:20am Tue 28 Jan 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

mark by the sea wrote:
I suggested this deal three weeks ago ! Lad is class striker 100 appearances at premier or championship level and 20 years old
Yes, thank goodness the club have you to listen to.

Wickham's record (other than this season) is not great, but there is still time for him to be coached. But if Gus prefers playing Lazy Altidore, what does that say of his opinion of the lad?

Friends of mine are lifelong Mackems and they described him as "Andy Carroll without the ability".
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: I suggested this deal three weeks ago ! Lad is class striker 100 appearances at premier or championship level and 20 years old[/p][/quote]Yes, thank goodness the club have you to listen to. Wickham's record (other than this season) is not great, but there is still time for him to be coached. But if Gus prefers playing Lazy Altidore, what does that say of his opinion of the lad? Friends of mine are lifelong Mackems and they described him as "Andy Carroll without the ability". Ex-pat Arnie

11:22am Tue 28 Jan 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

pjwilk wrote:
pablobrowno wrote:
Poor Bridcutt. Such hard times for footballers these days. Anyone would think that there was more to playing a football match than simply turning up and.....playing football...to the best of your ability! Absolutely ridiculous. He's a Brighton player and should be playing, not holding the club to ransom!
Is his mind focused on his bank account,if he refused to play his money should be stopped.
It's only matches he is not being selected for (it seems he hasn't actually refused to play), so he will still be entitled to pick up his wage, he will just miss out on appearance fees etc.
[quote][p][bold]pjwilk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pablobrowno[/bold] wrote: Poor Bridcutt. Such hard times for footballers these days. Anyone would think that there was more to playing a football match than simply turning up and.....playing football...to the best of your ability! Absolutely ridiculous. He's a Brighton player and should be playing, not holding the club to ransom![/p][/quote]Is his mind focused on his bank account,if he refused to play his money should be stopped.[/p][/quote]It's only matches he is not being selected for (it seems he hasn't actually refused to play), so he will still be entitled to pick up his wage, he will just miss out on appearance fees etc. Ex-pat Arnie

11:25am Tue 28 Jan 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

Gardenboy wrote:
I guess Liam's mind is on the potential for a salary three and a half times what he's getting at Brighton. Good luck to him, he deserves Premiership wages!
Fair points, although no-one here knows what he's currently on and no-one here knows what he will be offered by Sunderland.
[quote][p][bold]Gardenboy[/bold] wrote: I guess Liam's mind is on the potential for a salary three and a half times what he's getting at Brighton. Good luck to him, he deserves Premiership wages![/p][/quote]Fair points, although no-one here knows what he's currently on and no-one here knows what he will be offered by Sunderland. Ex-pat Arnie

11:28am Tue 28 Jan 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

tug509 wrote:
a_j_m wrote:
pablobrowno wrote:
Poor Bridcutt. Such hard times for footballers these days. Anyone would think that there was more to playing a football match than simply turning up and.....playing football...to the best of your ability! Absolutely ridiculous. He's a Brighton player and should be playing, not holding the club to ransom!
club's always say this, what they mean is 'we're about to cash in on an asset and not going to risk him receiving a potential career ending injury while we wait for it to go through'

don't blame Liam a brilliant servant for the club integral to all our success in last 3 seasons, who i'm sure would play and perform if asked...
I`m sorry this can not be the case in this instance . We are all aware that a player ,soon to be a part of a transfer deal ,be it a PX ,a swap or just a straight signing ,are kept out of harms way ,but this was different . Firstly we were told Bridcutt was fit and training with the rest of the squad ,and secondly ,if this was not a forced issue rather than a pre-agreement ,why did LB force the situation and make it public ,by openly asking for a transfer ?.

And if you believe ,at any point he would have played if asked ,then why did he say ,( back of hand across forehead ,head tilted slightly to the right and up ) i`m not in the right frame of mind ???. If he was respectful to The Albion ,he could simply have said what he wanted behind closed doors ,and we could have simply said ,the guy is injured ,everyone saves face ,no one despises GP or LB ,both of them knew exactly ,the effect it would have imho !.

UTA
Surely LB HAS done and said everything behind closed doors? I'm not defending him but he hasn't actually stated publicly that he wants out or isn't able to focus - that has all come from the club.
[quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]a_j_m[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pablobrowno[/bold] wrote: Poor Bridcutt. Such hard times for footballers these days. Anyone would think that there was more to playing a football match than simply turning up and.....playing football...to the best of your ability! Absolutely ridiculous. He's a Brighton player and should be playing, not holding the club to ransom![/p][/quote]club's always say this, what they mean is 'we're about to cash in on an asset and not going to risk him receiving a potential career ending injury while we wait for it to go through' don't blame Liam a brilliant servant for the club integral to all our success in last 3 seasons, who i'm sure would play and perform if asked...[/p][/quote]I`m sorry this can not be the case in this instance . We are all aware that a player ,soon to be a part of a transfer deal ,be it a PX ,a swap or just a straight signing ,are kept out of harms way ,but this was different . Firstly we were told Bridcutt was fit and training with the rest of the squad ,and secondly ,if this was not a forced issue rather than a pre-agreement ,why did LB force the situation and make it public ,by openly asking for a transfer ?. And if you believe ,at any point he would have played if asked ,then why did he say ,( back of hand across forehead ,head tilted slightly to the right and up ) i`m not in the right frame of mind ???. If he was respectful to The Albion ,he could simply have said what he wanted behind closed doors ,and we could have simply said ,the guy is injured ,everyone saves face ,no one despises GP or LB ,both of them knew exactly ,the effect it would have imho !. UTA[/p][/quote]Surely LB HAS done and said everything behind closed doors? I'm not defending him but he hasn't actually stated publicly that he wants out or isn't able to focus - that has all come from the club. Ex-pat Arnie

11:31am Tue 28 Jan 14

mark by the sea says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
I suggested this deal three weeks ago ! Lad is class striker 100 appearances at premier or championship level and 20 years old
Yes, thank goodness the club have you to listen to.

Wickham's record (other than this season) is not great, but there is still time for him to be coached. But if Gus prefers playing Lazy Altidore, what does that say of his opinion of the lad?

Friends of mine are lifelong Mackems and they described him as "Andy Carroll without the ability".
8 from 11 for sheff weds, you can't read a players record when he is 20,
You need to get out and watch a game.. Rather than wiki ..
Forest , reading happy to pay 4 million for him, obviously they know nothing too!
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: I suggested this deal three weeks ago ! Lad is class striker 100 appearances at premier or championship level and 20 years old[/p][/quote]Yes, thank goodness the club have you to listen to. Wickham's record (other than this season) is not great, but there is still time for him to be coached. But if Gus prefers playing Lazy Altidore, what does that say of his opinion of the lad? Friends of mine are lifelong Mackems and they described him as "Andy Carroll without the ability".[/p][/quote]8 from 11 for sheff weds, you can't read a players record when he is 20, You need to get out and watch a game.. Rather than wiki .. Forest , reading happy to pay 4 million for him, obviously they know nothing too! mark by the sea

11:36am Tue 28 Jan 14

PressBoxTeaBoy says...

The story I heard was that Wickam was recalled by Sunderland because they are considering selling Fletcher and Catermole to Stoke. Wickam and Bridcutt are the planned teplacements for Fletcher and Catermole.

That seems to me to be more realistic than the Argus assumption here ?
The story I heard was that Wickam was recalled by Sunderland because they are considering selling Fletcher and Catermole to Stoke. Wickam and Bridcutt are the planned teplacements for Fletcher and Catermole. That seems to me to be more realistic than the Argus assumption here ? PressBoxTeaBoy

11:39am Tue 28 Jan 14

Captain Haddock says...

I'm posting this before reading any of the other comments, so apologies if I am repeating what others have said.

Firstly, if Bridcutt is first choice for Poyet ahead of Banega as a genuine alternative option, then Bridcutt must be worth about £10m! Banega is a VERY good player, Valencia's best at the moment. I'd go as far as saying that I doubt Sunderland would be able to clinch that deal.

I think we should strike a deal for Bridcutt and Buckley in exchange for Wickham and £4/5 million. Would be happy with that.
I'm posting this before reading any of the other comments, so apologies if I am repeating what others have said. Firstly, if Bridcutt is first choice for Poyet ahead of Banega as a genuine alternative option, then Bridcutt must be worth about £10m! Banega is a VERY good player, Valencia's best at the moment. I'd go as far as saying that I doubt Sunderland would be able to clinch that deal. I think we should strike a deal for Bridcutt and Buckley in exchange for Wickham and £4/5 million. Would be happy with that. Captain Haddock

11:45am Tue 28 Jan 14

Captain Haddock says...

I'm also hearing strong rumours that Conway is going to be signing this week. He is due to come down for a medical in the next 24 hours if my source proves right.

It strikes me that the end of this transfer window might go a bit crazy. The aforementioned potential deal involving Bridcutt, Buckers and Wickham would be a big shuffle, but I think all of that would then dictate whether we go ahead with the Conway move. He must be worth about £500-700k.

Carayol might be our second option for a winger to replace Buckers.

Haven't heard anything about a potential replacement for Crofts. I have a feeling we are making a move for somebody but managing to keep that one quiet.

All will be revealed in the next 85 hours or so.
I'm also hearing strong rumours that Conway is going to be signing this week. He is due to come down for a medical in the next 24 hours if my source proves right. It strikes me that the end of this transfer window might go a bit crazy. The aforementioned potential deal involving Bridcutt, Buckers and Wickham would be a big shuffle, but I think all of that would then dictate whether we go ahead with the Conway move. He must be worth about £500-700k. Carayol might be our second option for a winger to replace Buckers. Haven't heard anything about a potential replacement for Crofts. I have a feeling we are making a move for somebody but managing to keep that one quiet. All will be revealed in the next 85 hours or so. Captain Haddock

11:48am Tue 28 Jan 14

Captain Haddock says...

Forgot to add that the rumoured to deal for Bridcutt and Buckers in exchange for Wickman and cash has appeared following the breakdown in the Cattermole deal to Stoke. I doubt this is a coincidence.
Forgot to add that the rumoured to deal for Bridcutt and Buckers in exchange for Wickman and cash has appeared following the breakdown in the Cattermole deal to Stoke. I doubt this is a coincidence. Captain Haddock

11:49am Tue 28 Jan 14

mark by the sea says...

Captain Haddock wrote:
I'm also hearing strong rumours that Conway is going to be signing this week. He is due to come down for a medical in the next 24 hours if my source proves right.

It strikes me that the end of this transfer window might go a bit crazy. The aforementioned potential deal involving Bridcutt, Buckers and Wickham would be a big shuffle, but I think all of that would then dictate whether we go ahead with the Conway move. He must be worth about £500-700k.

Carayol might be our second option for a winger to replace Buckers.

Haven't heard anything about a potential replacement for Crofts. I have a feeling we are making a move for somebody but managing to keep that one quiet.

All will be revealed in the next 85 hours or so.
Worth 600k but in two days he becomes worthless, unless we need a winger desperately , we should pick him up in summer for a " hello" fee
[quote][p][bold]Captain Haddock[/bold] wrote: I'm also hearing strong rumours that Conway is going to be signing this week. He is due to come down for a medical in the next 24 hours if my source proves right. It strikes me that the end of this transfer window might go a bit crazy. The aforementioned potential deal involving Bridcutt, Buckers and Wickham would be a big shuffle, but I think all of that would then dictate whether we go ahead with the Conway move. He must be worth about £500-700k. Carayol might be our second option for a winger to replace Buckers. Haven't heard anything about a potential replacement for Crofts. I have a feeling we are making a move for somebody but managing to keep that one quiet. All will be revealed in the next 85 hours or so.[/p][/quote]Worth 600k but in two days he becomes worthless, unless we need a winger desperately , we should pick him up in summer for a " hello" fee mark by the sea

11:50am Tue 28 Jan 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
I suggested this deal three weeks ago ! Lad is class striker 100 appearances at premier or championship level and 20 years old
Yes, thank goodness the club have you to listen to.

Wickham's record (other than this season) is not great, but there is still time for him to be coached. But if Gus prefers playing Lazy Altidore, what does that say of his opinion of the lad?

Friends of mine are lifelong Mackems and they described him as "Andy Carroll without the ability".
8 from 11 for sheff weds, you can't read a players record when he is 20,
You need to get out and watch a game.. Rather than wiki ..
Forest , reading happy to pay 4 million for him, obviously they know nothing too!
I mentioned about his record this season - I know how well he has done at Wednesday. (sighs...)

Mark, firstly you need to grow up: "You need to get out and watch a game." As I keep stating I have been to 5-6 games at the Amex this season and watch as many online. That's about half of them, the same as many season ticket holders.

Secondly, I was passing on the opinion of people (Sunderland season ticket holders) who have seen every game Wickham has played for Sunderland - their opinion on the lad is way more valid than yours.

Thirdly, I was saying he still has time to improve. Not sure which bit of that you didn't understand, but let me know and I'll go over the whole thing again slowly.

Fourthly, every time you write you are sounding increasingly like Freeloaders. You are letting your facade slip more and more. Struggling to remember which one you are?
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: I suggested this deal three weeks ago ! Lad is class striker 100 appearances at premier or championship level and 20 years old[/p][/quote]Yes, thank goodness the club have you to listen to. Wickham's record (other than this season) is not great, but there is still time for him to be coached. But if Gus prefers playing Lazy Altidore, what does that say of his opinion of the lad? Friends of mine are lifelong Mackems and they described him as "Andy Carroll without the ability".[/p][/quote]8 from 11 for sheff weds, you can't read a players record when he is 20, You need to get out and watch a game.. Rather than wiki .. Forest , reading happy to pay 4 million for him, obviously they know nothing too![/p][/quote]I mentioned about his record this season - I know how well he has done at Wednesday. (sighs...) Mark, firstly you need to grow up: "You need to get out and watch a game." As I keep stating I have been to 5-6 games at the Amex this season and watch as many online. That's about half of them, the same as many season ticket holders. Secondly, I was passing on the opinion of people (Sunderland season ticket holders) who have seen every game Wickham has played for Sunderland - their opinion on the lad is way more valid than yours. Thirdly, I was saying he still has time to improve. Not sure which bit of that you didn't understand, but let me know and I'll go over the whole thing again slowly. Fourthly, every time you write you are sounding increasingly like Freeloaders. You are letting your facade slip more and more. Struggling to remember which one you are? Ex-pat Arnie

11:50am Tue 28 Jan 14

Baldseagull says...

Liam is getting a bit of unfair abuse on here I think. It seems we can't handle the truth, most players in his situation do not play until the situation is resolved, this time we heard from Oscar that it was because he is not focused and now there is a lynch mob for Liam.
I would rather he had not put in a transfer request, but from his point of view, refusing £2.5M when he came on a free looks like greed on the clubs part, especially with the arrival of another free, Rohan Ince looking like he will surpass Liam in his role.
This is a hangover from the summer, if Gus had not been going through the disciplinary process he would have been in a job this summer and done the business then. It probably would have been done a bit more amicably too.
I don't think Liam is being disloyal, but does he thank the club for his career to date or Gus?
Liam is getting a bit of unfair abuse on here I think. It seems we can't handle the truth, most players in his situation do not play until the situation is resolved, this time we heard from Oscar that it was because he is not focused and now there is a lynch mob for Liam. I would rather he had not put in a transfer request, but from his point of view, refusing £2.5M when he came on a free looks like greed on the clubs part, especially with the arrival of another free, Rohan Ince looking like he will surpass Liam in his role. This is a hangover from the summer, if Gus had not been going through the disciplinary process he would have been in a job this summer and done the business then. It probably would have been done a bit more amicably too. I don't think Liam is being disloyal, but does he thank the club for his career to date or Gus? Baldseagull

11:54am Tue 28 Jan 14

GosportGull says...

Does Wickham even want to come to Brighton ? Strangely i find myself thinking , whatever happened to Vicente ?
Does Wickham even want to come to Brighton ? Strangely i find myself thinking , whatever happened to Vicente ? GosportGull

11:54am Tue 28 Jan 14

Captain Haddock says...

Yorkieseagull wrote:
I wonder if Bridcutt manages to get his wages paid this week, or perhaps the accounts department at The Amex are not sufficiently focussed to press 'send' to confirm the transfer? He is an outstanding talent and we were lucky to have him for a while, but let's not get too emotional about losing another mercenary to a club with deeper pockets (for the moment).
Haha. Great post.

Having said that, perhaps Bridcutt's deal is closer than we think, in which case I'd rather he didn't play and risk us missing out on serious money for a player who's relationship with us is probably over regardless.

Having him stuck here unhappy with missing a move AND injured / on a downer would be a disastert at this stage.
[quote][p][bold]Yorkieseagull[/bold] wrote: I wonder if Bridcutt manages to get his wages paid this week, or perhaps the accounts department at The Amex are not sufficiently focussed to press 'send' to confirm the transfer? He is an outstanding talent and we were lucky to have him for a while, but let's not get too emotional about losing another mercenary to a club with deeper pockets (for the moment).[/p][/quote]Haha. Great post. Having said that, perhaps Bridcutt's deal is closer than we think, in which case I'd rather he didn't play and risk us missing out on serious money for a player who's relationship with us is probably over regardless. Having him stuck here unhappy with missing a move AND injured / on a downer would be a disastert at this stage. Captain Haddock

11:56am Tue 28 Jan 14

mark by the sea says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
I suggested this deal three weeks ago ! Lad is class striker 100 appearances at premier or championship level and 20 years old
Yes, thank goodness the club have you to listen to.

Wickham's record (other than this season) is not great, but there is still time for him to be coached. But if Gus prefers playing Lazy Altidore, what does that say of his opinion of the lad?

Friends of mine are lifelong Mackems and they described him as "Andy Carroll without the ability".
8 from 11 for sheff weds, you can't read a players record when he is 20,
You need to get out and watch a game.. Rather than wiki ..
Forest , reading happy to pay 4 million for him, obviously they know nothing too!
I mentioned about his record this season - I know how well he has done at Wednesday. (sighs...)

Mark, firstly you need to grow up: "You need to get out and watch a game." As I keep stating I have been to 5-6 games at the Amex this season and watch as many online. That's about half of them, the same as many season ticket holders.

Secondly, I was passing on the opinion of people (Sunderland season ticket holders) who have seen every game Wickham has played for Sunderland - their opinion on the lad is way more valid than yours.

Thirdly, I was saying he still has time to improve. Not sure which bit of that you didn't understand, but let me know and I'll go over the whole thing again slowly.

Fourthly, every time you write you are sounding increasingly like Freeloaders. You are letting your facade slip more and more. Struggling to remember which one you are?
You spend more time commenting on my posts than actual football..
Lad was 18 when sold for 8m .. He is very highly rated , maybe to young for premiership, but one for the future.
Brighton signed Zamora at around 20 years of age.. What had he done till he was 20. ? Bristol rovers reserves!
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: I suggested this deal three weeks ago ! Lad is class striker 100 appearances at premier or championship level and 20 years old[/p][/quote]Yes, thank goodness the club have you to listen to. Wickham's record (other than this season) is not great, but there is still time for him to be coached. But if Gus prefers playing Lazy Altidore, what does that say of his opinion of the lad? Friends of mine are lifelong Mackems and they described him as "Andy Carroll without the ability".[/p][/quote]8 from 11 for sheff weds, you can't read a players record when he is 20, You need to get out and watch a game.. Rather than wiki .. Forest , reading happy to pay 4 million for him, obviously they know nothing too![/p][/quote]I mentioned about his record this season - I know how well he has done at Wednesday. (sighs...) Mark, firstly you need to grow up: "You need to get out and watch a game." As I keep stating I have been to 5-6 games at the Amex this season and watch as many online. That's about half of them, the same as many season ticket holders. Secondly, I was passing on the opinion of people (Sunderland season ticket holders) who have seen every game Wickham has played for Sunderland - their opinion on the lad is way more valid than yours. Thirdly, I was saying he still has time to improve. Not sure which bit of that you didn't understand, but let me know and I'll go over the whole thing again slowly. Fourthly, every time you write you are sounding increasingly like Freeloaders. You are letting your facade slip more and more. Struggling to remember which one you are?[/p][/quote]You spend more time commenting on my posts than actual football.. Lad was 18 when sold for 8m .. He is very highly rated , maybe to young for premiership, but one for the future. Brighton signed Zamora at around 20 years of age.. What had he done till he was 20. ? Bristol rovers reserves! mark by the sea

12:06pm Tue 28 Jan 14

Captain Haddock says...

SMF20 wrote:
If Wickham is to only be a sweetener on loan then I'd hope that the club would be looking at receiving £6-7m cash from Sunderland for our 2 departing boys.
If however Wickham was to be more permanent, which would be my personal preference then perhaps we should accept him + £2-3m.

Lots of players having there say at the moment rightly or wrongly... I look at this and think that what they are probably thinking about is if we still have the ambition we seemed to have a season back... I'd really hate to lose Kuz and Upson because they don't see us progessing further.
It must be hard for the players too seeing good lads leave and also knowing that 2 of our best might be gone by Friday.
I think personally that everyone at the club could do with a bit of a pick up at the moment.
Yes we are heading in the right direction and yes we are doing it in the right way and by the rules... For now though we have stalled and imho we need a kick start.

Here's to a great result tonight and a strong finish to the week as far as transfers are concerned.

Onwards uta
Spot on, again, SMF. Agree with all of that but would like to add that investing the right amount in the right player(s) is worth the spend as it effectively serves to re-sign Tommy, Matty and Ward - players who would cost us to acquire on the open market (fee and / or signing on fee) if they were unattached.

We have them here now, they are generally happy and settled so we have an advantage. Let's use that by showing our ambition.

Wickham, Conway and an exciting ACM'er would suffice.
[quote][p][bold]SMF20[/bold] wrote: If Wickham is to only be a sweetener on loan then I'd hope that the club would be looking at receiving £6-7m cash from Sunderland for our 2 departing boys. If however Wickham was to be more permanent, which would be my personal preference then perhaps we should accept him + £2-3m. Lots of players having there say at the moment rightly or wrongly... I look at this and think that what they are probably thinking about is if we still have the ambition we seemed to have a season back... I'd really hate to lose Kuz and Upson because they don't see us progessing further. It must be hard for the players too seeing good lads leave and also knowing that 2 of our best might be gone by Friday. I think personally that everyone at the club could do with a bit of a pick up at the moment. Yes we are heading in the right direction and yes we are doing it in the right way and by the rules... For now though we have stalled and imho we need a kick start. Here's to a great result tonight and a strong finish to the week as far as transfers are concerned. Onwards uta[/p][/quote]Spot on, again, SMF. Agree with all of that but would like to add that investing the right amount in the right player(s) is worth the spend as it effectively serves to re-sign Tommy, Matty and Ward - players who would cost us to acquire on the open market (fee and / or signing on fee) if they were unattached. We have them here now, they are generally happy and settled so we have an advantage. Let's use that by showing our ambition. Wickham, Conway and an exciting ACM'er would suffice. Captain Haddock

12:10pm Tue 28 Jan 14

Captain Haddock says...

4everaseagull wrote:
So Bridcutt's mind is still not focused. How pathetic this has become. I appreciate that football is a unique industry in some ways but if the vast majority of the working population told their boss they did not feel able to work as they were not feeling focused enough they would either be told pull your finger out and turn up, or you will not get your wage packet this week. This just shows how ridiculous the January transfer window has become, it is potentially disruptive. Bridcutt has been fantastic for us but equally we as a club have been fantastic for him so it works both ways. I would imagine that as a result of this many Albion fans who were hoping he would stay now think the opposite as if he clearly does not have the desire to stay I say get rid. In my opinion and I will probably get shot down now but it is after all about opinions we shall be better without Liam as when he does play everything slows down when he receives the ball. Ince will become a far better player in the long term so get the best deal we can and if that includes Wickham then yes please and we move on. As for Buckley I am not concerned if he leaves as since he signed his new contract he has been average at best. Again we have a ready made replacement in young Solly March who is far more exciting.
Agree with all of this. Just to add to your (and other's) analogy of saying to your boss you don't feel focused enough to work, don't forget in Bridcutt's case he's saying that he isn't focused enough to come to work because he wants to go to another company. Even worse! It's pretty normal a scenario in football but it is certainly d@mn frustrating!
[quote][p][bold]4everaseagull[/bold] wrote: So Bridcutt's mind is still not focused. How pathetic this has become. I appreciate that football is a unique industry in some ways but if the vast majority of the working population told their boss they did not feel able to work as they were not feeling focused enough they would either be told pull your finger out and turn up, or you will not get your wage packet this week. This just shows how ridiculous the January transfer window has become, it is potentially disruptive. Bridcutt has been fantastic for us but equally we as a club have been fantastic for him so it works both ways. I would imagine that as a result of this many Albion fans who were hoping he would stay now think the opposite as if he clearly does not have the desire to stay I say get rid. In my opinion and I will probably get shot down now but it is after all about opinions we shall be better without Liam as when he does play everything slows down when he receives the ball. Ince will become a far better player in the long term so get the best deal we can and if that includes Wickham then yes please and we move on. As for Buckley I am not concerned if he leaves as since he signed his new contract he has been average at best. Again we have a ready made replacement in young Solly March who is far more exciting.[/p][/quote]Agree with all of this. Just to add to your (and other's) analogy of saying to your boss you don't feel focused enough to work, don't forget in Bridcutt's case he's saying that he isn't focused enough to come to work because he wants to go to another company. Even worse! It's pretty normal a scenario in football but it is certainly d@mn frustrating! Captain Haddock

12:12pm Tue 28 Jan 14

tonypulis says...

Mark by the Sea - don't worry what people think of you. It's a message board full of loons like me. Don't take it too seriously.
Mark by the Sea - don't worry what people think of you. It's a message board full of loons like me. Don't take it too seriously. tonypulis

12:18pm Tue 28 Jan 14

dave from bexill says...

tonypulis wrote:
Mark by the Sea - don't worry what people think of you. It's a message board full of loons like me. Don't take it too seriously.
Tony, you're a breath of fresh air on here and always make me smile. Shame you're such a cr*p manager.
[quote][p][bold]tonypulis[/bold] wrote: Mark by the Sea - don't worry what people think of you. It's a message board full of loons like me. Don't take it too seriously.[/p][/quote]Tony, you're a breath of fresh air on here and always make me smile. Shame you're such a cr*p manager. dave from bexill

12:21pm Tue 28 Jan 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
I suggested this deal three weeks ago ! Lad is class striker 100 appearances at premier or championship level and 20 years old
Yes, thank goodness the club have you to listen to.

Wickham's record (other than this season) is not great, but there is still time for him to be coached. But if Gus prefers playing Lazy Altidore, what does that say of his opinion of the lad?

Friends of mine are lifelong Mackems and they described him as "Andy Carroll without the ability".
8 from 11 for sheff weds, you can't read a players record when he is 20,
You need to get out and watch a game.. Rather than wiki ..
Forest , reading happy to pay 4 million for him, obviously they know nothing too!
I mentioned about his record this season - I know how well he has done at Wednesday. (sighs...)

Mark, firstly you need to grow up: "You need to get out and watch a game." As I keep stating I have been to 5-6 games at the Amex this season and watch as many online. That's about half of them, the same as many season ticket holders.

Secondly, I was passing on the opinion of people (Sunderland season ticket holders) who have seen every game Wickham has played for Sunderland - their opinion on the lad is way more valid than yours.

Thirdly, I was saying he still has time to improve. Not sure which bit of that you didn't understand, but let me know and I'll go over the whole thing again slowly.

Fourthly, every time you write you are sounding increasingly like Freeloaders. You are letting your facade slip more and more. Struggling to remember which one you are?
You spend more time commenting on my posts than actual football..
Lad was 18 when sold for 8m .. He is very highly rated , maybe to young for premiership, but one for the future.
Brighton signed Zamora at around 20 years of age.. What had he done till he was 20. ? Bristol rovers reserves!
If I spend too much time replying to you (although still several orders of magnitude less than I spend watching or playing football) it's because you need telling everything a dozen times before you understand. You have the recall powers of a goldfish with alzheimer's.

However, although Wickham was bought "for the future" that was getting on for three years ago and at the moment he still hasn't justified anywhere near that spend. But as I think I'm going to need to keep on telling you, I agree that there is still time. And in case that still hasn't sunk in:

He still has time to become a good player.
He still has time to become a good player.
He still has time to become a good player.
He still has time to become a good player.
He still has time to become a good player.

Comprehend now?
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: I suggested this deal three weeks ago ! Lad is class striker 100 appearances at premier or championship level and 20 years old[/p][/quote]Yes, thank goodness the club have you to listen to. Wickham's record (other than this season) is not great, but there is still time for him to be coached. But if Gus prefers playing Lazy Altidore, what does that say of his opinion of the lad? Friends of mine are lifelong Mackems and they described him as "Andy Carroll without the ability".[/p][/quote]8 from 11 for sheff weds, you can't read a players record when he is 20, You need to get out and watch a game.. Rather than wiki .. Forest , reading happy to pay 4 million for him, obviously they know nothing too![/p][/quote]I mentioned about his record this season - I know how well he has done at Wednesday. (sighs...) Mark, firstly you need to grow up: "You need to get out and watch a game." As I keep stating I have been to 5-6 games at the Amex this season and watch as many online. That's about half of them, the same as many season ticket holders. Secondly, I was passing on the opinion of people (Sunderland season ticket holders) who have seen every game Wickham has played for Sunderland - their opinion on the lad is way more valid than yours. Thirdly, I was saying he still has time to improve. Not sure which bit of that you didn't understand, but let me know and I'll go over the whole thing again slowly. Fourthly, every time you write you are sounding increasingly like Freeloaders. You are letting your facade slip more and more. Struggling to remember which one you are?[/p][/quote]You spend more time commenting on my posts than actual football.. Lad was 18 when sold for 8m .. He is very highly rated , maybe to young for premiership, but one for the future. Brighton signed Zamora at around 20 years of age.. What had he done till he was 20. ? Bristol rovers reserves![/p][/quote]If I spend too much time replying to you (although still several orders of magnitude less than I spend watching or playing football) it's because you need telling everything a dozen times before you understand. You have the recall powers of a goldfish with alzheimer's. However, although Wickham was bought "for the future" that was getting on for three years ago and at the moment he still hasn't justified anywhere near that spend. But as I think I'm going to need to keep on telling you, I agree that there is still time. And in case that still hasn't sunk in: He still has time to become a good player. He still has time to become a good player. He still has time to become a good player. He still has time to become a good player. He still has time to become a good player. Comprehend now? Ex-pat Arnie

12:23pm Tue 28 Jan 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

Mark/Freeloaders: Which part of my original comment (11:20am) do you actually not agree with?
Mark/Freeloaders: Which part of my original comment (11:20am) do you actually not agree with? Ex-pat Arnie

12:24pm Tue 28 Jan 14

mark by the sea says...

Funny Gus can't come up with cash unless he sells! He sold some guy last week for 500k ... Not bad eh? Thing is Di Canio turned down 5 million for same player 6 months ago! Crazy !
Funny Gus can't come up with cash unless he sells! He sold some guy last week for 500k ... Not bad eh? Thing is Di Canio turned down 5 million for same player 6 months ago! Crazy ! mark by the sea

12:27pm Tue 28 Jan 14

mark by the sea says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
I suggested this deal three weeks ago ! Lad is class striker 100 appearances at premier or championship level and 20 years old
Yes, thank goodness the club have you to listen to.

Wickham's record (other than this season) is not great, but there is still time for him to be coached. But if Gus prefers playing Lazy Altidore, what does that say of his opinion of the lad?

Friends of mine are lifelong Mackems and they described him as "Andy Carroll without the ability".
8 from 11 for sheff weds, you can't read a players record when he is 20,
You need to get out and watch a game.. Rather than wiki ..
Forest , reading happy to pay 4 million for him, obviously they know nothing too!
I mentioned about his record this season - I know how well he has done at Wednesday. (sighs...)

Mark, firstly you need to grow up: "You need to get out and watch a game." As I keep stating I have been to 5-6 games at the Amex this season and watch as many online. That's about half of them, the same as many season ticket holders.

Secondly, I was passing on the opinion of people (Sunderland season ticket holders) who have seen every game Wickham has played for Sunderland - their opinion on the lad is way more valid than yours.

Thirdly, I was saying he still has time to improve. Not sure which bit of that you didn't understand, but let me know and I'll go over the whole thing again slowly.

Fourthly, every time you write you are sounding increasingly like Freeloaders. You are letting your facade slip more and more. Struggling to remember which one you are?
You spend more time commenting on my posts than actual football..
Lad was 18 when sold for 8m .. He is very highly rated , maybe to young for premiership, but one for the future.
Brighton signed Zamora at around 20 years of age.. What had he done till he was 20. ? Bristol rovers reserves!
If I spend too much time replying to you (although still several orders of magnitude less than I spend watching or playing football) it's because you need telling everything a dozen times before you understand. You have the recall powers of a goldfish with alzheimer's.

However, although Wickham was bought "for the future" that was getting on for three years ago and at the moment he still hasn't justified anywhere near that spend. But as I think I'm going to need to keep on telling you, I agree that there is still time. And in case that still hasn't sunk in:

He still has time to become a good player.
He still has time to become a good player.
He still has time to become a good player.
He still has time to become a good player.
He still has time to become a good player.

Comprehend now?
He is a good player now! Compare his scoring in the championship with cms,
England under 21 , are you suggesting brighton should not sign him?
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: I suggested this deal three weeks ago ! Lad is class striker 100 appearances at premier or championship level and 20 years old[/p][/quote]Yes, thank goodness the club have you to listen to. Wickham's record (other than this season) is not great, but there is still time for him to be coached. But if Gus prefers playing Lazy Altidore, what does that say of his opinion of the lad? Friends of mine are lifelong Mackems and they described him as "Andy Carroll without the ability".[/p][/quote]8 from 11 for sheff weds, you can't read a players record when he is 20, You need to get out and watch a game.. Rather than wiki .. Forest , reading happy to pay 4 million for him, obviously they know nothing too![/p][/quote]I mentioned about his record this season - I know how well he has done at Wednesday. (sighs...) Mark, firstly you need to grow up: "You need to get out and watch a game." As I keep stating I have been to 5-6 games at the Amex this season and watch as many online. That's about half of them, the same as many season ticket holders. Secondly, I was passing on the opinion of people (Sunderland season ticket holders) who have seen every game Wickham has played for Sunderland - their opinion on the lad is way more valid than yours. Thirdly, I was saying he still has time to improve. Not sure which bit of that you didn't understand, but let me know and I'll go over the whole thing again slowly. Fourthly, every time you write you are sounding increasingly like Freeloaders. You are letting your facade slip more and more. Struggling to remember which one you are?[/p][/quote]You spend more time commenting on my posts than actual football.. Lad was 18 when sold for 8m .. He is very highly rated , maybe to young for premiership, but one for the future. Brighton signed Zamora at around 20 years of age.. What had he done till he was 20. ? Bristol rovers reserves![/p][/quote]If I spend too much time replying to you (although still several orders of magnitude less than I spend watching or playing football) it's because you need telling everything a dozen times before you understand. You have the recall powers of a goldfish with alzheimer's. However, although Wickham was bought "for the future" that was getting on for three years ago and at the moment he still hasn't justified anywhere near that spend. But as I think I'm going to need to keep on telling you, I agree that there is still time. And in case that still hasn't sunk in: He still has time to become a good player. He still has time to become a good player. He still has time to become a good player. He still has time to become a good player. He still has time to become a good player. Comprehend now?[/p][/quote]He is a good player now! Compare his scoring in the championship with cms, England under 21 , are you suggesting brighton should not sign him? mark by the sea

12:31pm Tue 28 Jan 14

mark by the sea says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
I suggested this deal three weeks ago ! Lad is class striker 100 appearances at premier or championship level and 20 years old
Yes, thank goodness the club have you to listen to.

Wickham's record (other than this season) is not great, but there is still time for him to be coached. But if Gus prefers playing Lazy Altidore, what does that say of his opinion of the lad?

Friends of mine are lifelong Mackems and they described him as "Andy Carroll without the ability".
8 from 11 for sheff weds, you can't read a players record when he is 20,
You need to get out and watch a game.. Rather than wiki ..
Forest , reading happy to pay 4 million for him, obviously they know nothing too!
I mentioned about his record this season - I know how well he has done at Wednesday. (sighs...)

Mark, firstly you need to grow up: "You need to get out and watch a game." As I keep stating I have been to 5-6 games at the Amex this season and watch as many online. That's about half of them, the same as many season ticket holders.

Secondly, I was passing on the opinion of people (Sunderland season ticket holders) who have seen every game Wickham has played for Sunderland - their opinion on the lad is way more valid than yours.

Thirdly, I was saying he still has time to improve. Not sure which bit of that you didn't understand, but let me know and I'll go over the whole thing again slowly.

Fourthly, every time you write you are sounding increasingly like Freeloaders. You are letting your facade slip more and more. Struggling to remember which one you are?
You spend more time commenting on my posts than actual football..
Lad was 18 when sold for 8m .. He is very highly rated , maybe to young for premiership, but one for the future.
Brighton signed Zamora at around 20 years of age.. What had he done till he was 20. ? Bristol rovers reserves!
If I spend too much time replying to you (although still several orders of magnitude less than I spend watching or playing football) it's because you need telling everything a dozen times before you understand. You have the recall powers of a goldfish with alzheimer's.

However, although Wickham was bought "for the future" that was getting on for three years ago and at the moment he still hasn't justified anywhere near that spend. But as I think I'm going to need to keep on telling you, I agree that there is still time. And in case that still hasn't sunk in:

He still has time to become a good player.
He still has time to become a good player.
He still has time to become a good player.
He still has time to become a good player.
He still has time to become a good player.

Comprehend now?
He is a good player now! Compare his scoring in the championship with cms,
England under 21 , are you suggesting brighton should not sign him?
Of course he was not worth 8 million, that was never my point, he is a class act in the championship at 20 years of age, handled correctly he will be worth that again.. As I said should brighton not sign him?
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: I suggested this deal three weeks ago ! Lad is class striker 100 appearances at premier or championship level and 20 years old[/p][/quote]Yes, thank goodness the club have you to listen to. Wickham's record (other than this season) is not great, but there is still time for him to be coached. But if Gus prefers playing Lazy Altidore, what does that say of his opinion of the lad? Friends of mine are lifelong Mackems and they described him as "Andy Carroll without the ability".[/p][/quote]8 from 11 for sheff weds, you can't read a players record when he is 20, You need to get out and watch a game.. Rather than wiki .. Forest , reading happy to pay 4 million for him, obviously they know nothing too![/p][/quote]I mentioned about his record this season - I know how well he has done at Wednesday. (sighs...) Mark, firstly you need to grow up: "You need to get out and watch a game." As I keep stating I have been to 5-6 games at the Amex this season and watch as many online. That's about half of them, the same as many season ticket holders. Secondly, I was passing on the opinion of people (Sunderland season ticket holders) who have seen every game Wickham has played for Sunderland - their opinion on the lad is way more valid than yours. Thirdly, I was saying he still has time to improve. Not sure which bit of that you didn't understand, but let me know and I'll go over the whole thing again slowly. Fourthly, every time you write you are sounding increasingly like Freeloaders. You are letting your facade slip more and more. Struggling to remember which one you are?[/p][/quote]You spend more time commenting on my posts than actual football.. Lad was 18 when sold for 8m .. He is very highly rated , maybe to young for premiership, but one for the future. Brighton signed Zamora at around 20 years of age.. What had he done till he was 20. ? Bristol rovers reserves![/p][/quote]If I spend too much time replying to you (although still several orders of magnitude less than I spend watching or playing football) it's because you need telling everything a dozen times before you understand. You have the recall powers of a goldfish with alzheimer's. However, although Wickham was bought "for the future" that was getting on for three years ago and at the moment he still hasn't justified anywhere near that spend. But as I think I'm going to need to keep on telling you, I agree that there is still time. And in case that still hasn't sunk in: He still has time to become a good player. He still has time to become a good player. He still has time to become a good player. He still has time to become a good player. He still has time to become a good player. Comprehend now?[/p][/quote]He is a good player now! Compare his scoring in the championship with cms, England under 21 , are you suggesting brighton should not sign him?[/p][/quote]Of course he was not worth 8 million, that was never my point, he is a class act in the championship at 20 years of age, handled correctly he will be worth that again.. As I said should brighton not sign him? mark by the sea

12:41pm Tue 28 Jan 14

Claude Back says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
I suggested this deal three weeks ago ! Lad is class striker 100 appearances at premier or championship level and 20 years old
Yes, thank goodness the club have you to listen to.

Wickham's record (other than this season) is not great, but there is still time for him to be coached. But if Gus prefers playing Lazy Altidore, what does that say of his opinion of the lad?

Friends of mine are lifelong Mackems and they described him as "Andy Carroll without the ability".
8 from 11 for sheff weds, you can't read a players record when he is 20,
You need to get out and watch a game.. Rather than wiki ..
Forest , reading happy to pay 4 million for him, obviously they know nothing too!
I mentioned about his record this season - I know how well he has done at Wednesday. (sighs...)

Mark, firstly you need to grow up: "You need to get out and watch a game." As I keep stating I have been to 5-6 games at the Amex this season and watch as many online. That's about half of them, the same as many season ticket holders.

Secondly, I was passing on the opinion of people (Sunderland season ticket holders) who have seen every game Wickham has played for Sunderland - their opinion on the lad is way more valid than yours.

Thirdly, I was saying he still has time to improve. Not sure which bit of that you didn't understand, but let me know and I'll go over the whole thing again slowly.

Fourthly, every time you write you are sounding increasingly like Freeloaders. You are letting your facade slip more and more. Struggling to remember which one you are?
Why don't you get off Mark's back?
He clearly knows more about Football and has more inside info than you will ever have. It is tiresome forever seeing you **** about other posters and their opinions, particularly MBTS.
I realise that will cue a lot of crass comments about me from selected posters on here but I don't mind as those mean nothing to me. Have a go at me by all means but leave MBTS alone who has contributed some really good info over the years long before you and other so called 'patriots' tried to take over the site.
Bring it on...I won't be returning to this particular page so say whatever you like. I won't read it. ;-)
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: I suggested this deal three weeks ago ! Lad is class striker 100 appearances at premier or championship level and 20 years old[/p][/quote]Yes, thank goodness the club have you to listen to. Wickham's record (other than this season) is not great, but there is still time for him to be coached. But if Gus prefers playing Lazy Altidore, what does that say of his opinion of the lad? Friends of mine are lifelong Mackems and they described him as "Andy Carroll without the ability".[/p][/quote]8 from 11 for sheff weds, you can't read a players record when he is 20, You need to get out and watch a game.. Rather than wiki .. Forest , reading happy to pay 4 million for him, obviously they know nothing too![/p][/quote]I mentioned about his record this season - I know how well he has done at Wednesday. (sighs...) Mark, firstly you need to grow up: "You need to get out and watch a game." As I keep stating I have been to 5-6 games at the Amex this season and watch as many online. That's about half of them, the same as many season ticket holders. Secondly, I was passing on the opinion of people (Sunderland season ticket holders) who have seen every game Wickham has played for Sunderland - their opinion on the lad is way more valid than yours. Thirdly, I was saying he still has time to improve. Not sure which bit of that you didn't understand, but let me know and I'll go over the whole thing again slowly. Fourthly, every time you write you are sounding increasingly like Freeloaders. You are letting your facade slip more and more. Struggling to remember which one you are?[/p][/quote]Why don't you get off Mark's back? He clearly knows more about Football and has more inside info than you will ever have. It is tiresome forever seeing you **** about other posters and their opinions, particularly MBTS. I realise that will cue a lot of crass comments about me from selected posters on here but I don't mind as those mean nothing to me. Have a go at me by all means but leave MBTS alone who has contributed some really good info over the years long before you and other so called 'patriots' tried to take over the site. Bring it on...I won't be returning to this particular page so say whatever you like. I won't read it. ;-) Claude Back

12:42pm Tue 28 Jan 14

Claude Back says...

tonypulis wrote:
Mark by the Sea - don't worry what people think of you. It's a message board full of loons like me. Don't take it too seriously.
Well said, Tony.
[quote][p][bold]tonypulis[/bold] wrote: Mark by the Sea - don't worry what people think of you. It's a message board full of loons like me. Don't take it too seriously.[/p][/quote]Well said, Tony. Claude Back

12:42pm Tue 28 Jan 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

mark by the sea wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
I suggested this deal three weeks ago ! Lad is class striker 100 appearances at premier or championship level and 20 years old
Yes, thank goodness the club have you to listen to.

Wickham's record (other than this season) is not great, but there is still time for him to be coached. But if Gus prefers playing Lazy Altidore, what does that say of his opinion of the lad?

Friends of mine are lifelong Mackems and they described him as "Andy Carroll without the ability".
8 from 11 for sheff weds, you can't read a players record when he is 20,
You need to get out and watch a game.. Rather than wiki ..
Forest , reading happy to pay 4 million for him, obviously they know nothing too!
I mentioned about his record this season - I know how well he has done at Wednesday. (sighs...)

Mark, firstly you need to grow up: "You need to get out and watch a game." As I keep stating I have been to 5-6 games at the Amex this season and watch as many online. That's about half of them, the same as many season ticket holders.

Secondly, I was passing on the opinion of people (Sunderland season ticket holders) who have seen every game Wickham has played for Sunderland - their opinion on the lad is way more valid than yours.

Thirdly, I was saying he still has time to improve. Not sure which bit of that you didn't understand, but let me know and I'll go over the whole thing again slowly.

Fourthly, every time you write you are sounding increasingly like Freeloaders. You are letting your facade slip more and more. Struggling to remember which one you are?
You spend more time commenting on my posts than actual football..
Lad was 18 when sold for 8m .. He is very highly rated , maybe to young for premiership, but one for the future.
Brighton signed Zamora at around 20 years of age.. What had he done till he was 20. ? Bristol rovers reserves!
If I spend too much time replying to you (although still several orders of magnitude less than I spend watching or playing football) it's because you need telling everything a dozen times before you understand. You have the recall powers of a goldfish with alzheimer's.

However, although Wickham was bought "for the future" that was getting on for three years ago and at the moment he still hasn't justified anywhere near that spend. But as I think I'm going to need to keep on telling you, I agree that there is still time. And in case that still hasn't sunk in:

He still has time to become a good player.
He still has time to become a good player.
He still has time to become a good player.
He still has time to become a good player.
He still has time to become a good player.

Comprehend now?
He is a good player now! Compare his scoring in the championship with cms,
England under 21 , are you suggesting brighton should not sign him?
Of course he was not worth 8 million, that was never my point, he is a class act in the championship at 20 years of age, handled correctly he will be worth that again.. As I said should brighton not sign him?
CW: one goal every 3.7 games
CMS: one goal every 3.8 games

I have never said that Brighton should not sign him.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: I suggested this deal three weeks ago ! Lad is class striker 100 appearances at premier or championship level and 20 years old[/p][/quote]Yes, thank goodness the club have you to listen to. Wickham's record (other than this season) is not great, but there is still time for him to be coached. But if Gus prefers playing Lazy Altidore, what does that say of his opinion of the lad? Friends of mine are lifelong Mackems and they described him as "Andy Carroll without the ability".[/p][/quote]8 from 11 for sheff weds, you can't read a players record when he is 20, You need to get out and watch a game.. Rather than wiki .. Forest , reading happy to pay 4 million for him, obviously they know nothing too![/p][/quote]I mentioned about his record this season - I know how well he has done at Wednesday. (sighs...) Mark, firstly you need to grow up: "You need to get out and watch a game." As I keep stating I have been to 5-6 games at the Amex this season and watch as many online. That's about half of them, the same as many season ticket holders. Secondly, I was passing on the opinion of people (Sunderland season ticket holders) who have seen every game Wickham has played for Sunderland - their opinion on the lad is way more valid than yours. Thirdly, I was saying he still has time to improve. Not sure which bit of that you didn't understand, but let me know and I'll go over the whole thing again slowly. Fourthly, every time you write you are sounding increasingly like Freeloaders. You are letting your facade slip more and more. Struggling to remember which one you are?[/p][/quote]You spend more time commenting on my posts than actual football.. Lad was 18 when sold for 8m .. He is very highly rated , maybe to young for premiership, but one for the future. Brighton signed Zamora at around 20 years of age.. What had he done till he was 20. ? Bristol rovers reserves![/p][/quote]If I spend too much time replying to you (although still several orders of magnitude less than I spend watching or playing football) it's because you need telling everything a dozen times before you understand. You have the recall powers of a goldfish with alzheimer's. However, although Wickham was bought "for the future" that was getting on for three years ago and at the moment he still hasn't justified anywhere near that spend. But as I think I'm going to need to keep on telling you, I agree that there is still time. And in case that still hasn't sunk in: He still has time to become a good player. He still has time to become a good player. He still has time to become a good player. He still has time to become a good player. He still has time to become a good player. Comprehend now?[/p][/quote]He is a good player now! Compare his scoring in the championship with cms, England under 21 , are you suggesting brighton should not sign him?[/p][/quote]Of course he was not worth 8 million, that was never my point, he is a class act in the championship at 20 years of age, handled correctly he will be worth that again.. As I said should brighton not sign him?[/p][/quote]CW: one goal every 3.7 games CMS: one goal every 3.8 games I have never said that Brighton should not sign him. Ex-pat Arnie

12:43pm Tue 28 Jan 14

Claude Back says...

So we cannot type 'b*tching' now? Why?
So we cannot type 'b*tching' now? Why? Claude Back

12:45pm Tue 28 Jan 14

mark by the sea says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
I suggested this deal three weeks ago ! Lad is class striker 100 appearances at premier or championship level and 20 years old
Yes, thank goodness the club have you to listen to.

Wickham's record (other than this season) is not great, but there is still time for him to be coached. But if Gus prefers playing Lazy Altidore, what does that say of his opinion of the lad?

Friends of mine are lifelong Mackems and they described him as "Andy Carroll without the ability".
8 from 11 for sheff weds, you can't read a players record when he is 20,
You need to get out and watch a game.. Rather than wiki ..
Forest , reading happy to pay 4 million for him, obviously they know nothing too!
I mentioned about his record this season - I know how well he has done at Wednesday. (sighs...)

Mark, firstly you need to grow up: "You need to get out and watch a game." As I keep stating I have been to 5-6 games at the Amex this season and watch as many online. That's about half of them, the same as many season ticket holders.

Secondly, I was passing on the opinion of people (Sunderland season ticket holders) who have seen every game Wickham has played for Sunderland - their opinion on the lad is way more valid than yours.

Thirdly, I was saying he still has time to improve. Not sure which bit of that you didn't understand, but let me know and I'll go over the whole thing again slowly.

Fourthly, every time you write you are sounding increasingly like Freeloaders. You are letting your facade slip more and more. Struggling to remember which one you are?
You spend more time commenting on my posts than actual football..
Lad was 18 when sold for 8m .. He is very highly rated , maybe to young for premiership, but one for the future.
Brighton signed Zamora at around 20 years of age.. What had he done till he was 20. ? Bristol rovers reserves!
If I spend too much time replying to you (although still several orders of magnitude less than I spend watching or playing football) it's because you need telling everything a dozen times before you understand. You have the recall powers of a goldfish with alzheimer's.

However, although Wickham was bought "for the future" that was getting on for three years ago and at the moment he still hasn't justified anywhere near that spend. But as I think I'm going to need to keep on telling you, I agree that there is still time. And in case that still hasn't sunk in:

He still has time to become a good player.
He still has time to become a good player.
He still has time to become a good player.
He still has time to become a good player.
He still has time to become a good player.

Comprehend now?
He is a good player now! Compare his scoring in the championship with cms,
England under 21 , are you suggesting brighton should not sign him?
Of course he was not worth 8 million, that was never my point, he is a class act in the championship at 20 years of age, handled correctly he will be worth that again.. As I said should brighton not sign him?
CW: one goal every 3.7 games
CMS: one goal every 3.8 games

I have never said that Brighton should not sign him.
So your posts are about me wanting the club to sign him?
That's sad.
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: I suggested this deal three weeks ago ! Lad is class striker 100 appearances at premier or championship level and 20 years old[/p][/quote]Yes, thank goodness the club have you to listen to. Wickham's record (other than this season) is not great, but there is still time for him to be coached. But if Gus prefers playing Lazy Altidore, what does that say of his opinion of the lad? Friends of mine are lifelong Mackems and they described him as "Andy Carroll without the ability".[/p][/quote]8 from 11 for sheff weds, you can't read a players record when he is 20, You need to get out and watch a game.. Rather than wiki .. Forest , reading happy to pay 4 million for him, obviously they know nothing too![/p][/quote]I mentioned about his record this season - I know how well he has done at Wednesday. (sighs...) Mark, firstly you need to grow up: "You need to get out and watch a game." As I keep stating I have been to 5-6 games at the Amex this season and watch as many online. That's about half of them, the same as many season ticket holders. Secondly, I was passing on the opinion of people (Sunderland season ticket holders) who have seen every game Wickham has played for Sunderland - their opinion on the lad is way more valid than yours. Thirdly, I was saying he still has time to improve. Not sure which bit of that you didn't understand, but let me know and I'll go over the whole thing again slowly. Fourthly, every time you write you are sounding increasingly like Freeloaders. You are letting your facade slip more and more. Struggling to remember which one you are?[/p][/quote]You spend more time commenting on my posts than actual football.. Lad was 18 when sold for 8m .. He is very highly rated , maybe to young for premiership, but one for the future. Brighton signed Zamora at around 20 years of age.. What had he done till he was 20. ? Bristol rovers reserves![/p][/quote]If I spend too much time replying to you (although still several orders of magnitude less than I spend watching or playing football) it's because you need telling everything a dozen times before you understand. You have the recall powers of a goldfish with alzheimer's. However, although Wickham was bought "for the future" that was getting on for three years ago and at the moment he still hasn't justified anywhere near that spend. But as I think I'm going to need to keep on telling you, I agree that there is still time. And in case that still hasn't sunk in: He still has time to become a good player. He still has time to become a good player. He still has time to become a good player. He still has time to become a good player. He still has time to become a good player. Comprehend now?[/p][/quote]He is a good player now! Compare his scoring in the championship with cms, England under 21 , are you suggesting brighton should not sign him?[/p][/quote]Of course he was not worth 8 million, that was never my point, he is a class act in the championship at 20 years of age, handled correctly he will be worth that again.. As I said should brighton not sign him?[/p][/quote]CW: one goal every 3.7 games CMS: one goal every 3.8 games I have never said that Brighton should not sign him.[/p][/quote]So your posts are about me wanting the club to sign him? That's sad. mark by the sea

12:49pm Tue 28 Jan 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

Claude Back wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
I suggested this deal three weeks ago ! Lad is class striker 100 appearances at premier or championship level and 20 years old
Yes, thank goodness the club have you to listen to.

Wickham's record (other than this season) is not great, but there is still time for him to be coached. But if Gus prefers playing Lazy Altidore, what does that say of his opinion of the lad?

Friends of mine are lifelong Mackems and they described him as "Andy Carroll without the ability".
8 from 11 for sheff weds, you can't read a players record when he is 20,
You need to get out and watch a game.. Rather than wiki ..
Forest , reading happy to pay 4 million for him, obviously they know nothing too!
I mentioned about his record this season - I know how well he has done at Wednesday. (sighs...)

Mark, firstly you need to grow up: "You need to get out and watch a game." As I keep stating I have been to 5-6 games at the Amex this season and watch as many online. That's about half of them, the same as many season ticket holders.

Secondly, I was passing on the opinion of people (Sunderland season ticket holders) who have seen every game Wickham has played for Sunderland - their opinion on the lad is way more valid than yours.

Thirdly, I was saying he still has time to improve. Not sure which bit of that you didn't understand, but let me know and I'll go over the whole thing again slowly.

Fourthly, every time you write you are sounding increasingly like Freeloaders. You are letting your facade slip more and more. Struggling to remember which one you are?
Why don't you get off Mark's back?
He clearly knows more about Football and has more inside info than you will ever have. It is tiresome forever seeing you **** about other posters and their opinions, particularly MBTS.
I realise that will cue a lot of crass comments about me from selected posters on here but I don't mind as those mean nothing to me. Have a go at me by all means but leave MBTS alone who has contributed some really good info over the years long before you and other so called 'patriots' tried to take over the site.
Bring it on...I won't be returning to this particular page so say whatever you like. I won't read it. ;-)
Blimey, another one who needs to grow up! "Fingers in my ears, lalala I can't hear you." Sheesh.

MBTS has no more inside info than anyone else on here and has yet to prove any more footballing knowledge. That isn't to say his opinion isn't wanted. But to post on here is to give permission to be disagreed with. However, I do get fed up with people who wrongly assume who does and who doesn't get to games, despite being told a dozen times. People who think that longevity on a forum somehow gives them more validity. Pathetic.

And who are you, his keeper? His dad? What the hell has it got to do with you? All you do is whinge and argue with people, so you are a hypocrite too.

All I did was offer an opinion from Sunderland fans who don't particularly rate Connor Wickham. Who'd've thought it would turn into a dummy-spitting competition.

I disagree with people when they proffer opinion as fact, a habit which is inexcusable.
[quote][p][bold]Claude Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: I suggested this deal three weeks ago ! Lad is class striker 100 appearances at premier or championship level and 20 years old[/p][/quote]Yes, thank goodness the club have you to listen to. Wickham's record (other than this season) is not great, but there is still time for him to be coached. But if Gus prefers playing Lazy Altidore, what does that say of his opinion of the lad? Friends of mine are lifelong Mackems and they described him as "Andy Carroll without the ability".[/p][/quote]8 from 11 for sheff weds, you can't read a players record when he is 20, You need to get out and watch a game.. Rather than wiki .. Forest , reading happy to pay 4 million for him, obviously they know nothing too![/p][/quote]I mentioned about his record this season - I know how well he has done at Wednesday. (sighs...) Mark, firstly you need to grow up: "You need to get out and watch a game." As I keep stating I have been to 5-6 games at the Amex this season and watch as many online. That's about half of them, the same as many season ticket holders. Secondly, I was passing on the opinion of people (Sunderland season ticket holders) who have seen every game Wickham has played for Sunderland - their opinion on the lad is way more valid than yours. Thirdly, I was saying he still has time to improve. Not sure which bit of that you didn't understand, but let me know and I'll go over the whole thing again slowly. Fourthly, every time you write you are sounding increasingly like Freeloaders. You are letting your facade slip more and more. Struggling to remember which one you are?[/p][/quote]Why don't you get off Mark's back? He clearly knows more about Football and has more inside info than you will ever have. It is tiresome forever seeing you **** about other posters and their opinions, particularly MBTS. I realise that will cue a lot of crass comments about me from selected posters on here but I don't mind as those mean nothing to me. Have a go at me by all means but leave MBTS alone who has contributed some really good info over the years long before you and other so called 'patriots' tried to take over the site. Bring it on...I won't be returning to this particular page so say whatever you like. I won't read it. ;-)[/p][/quote]Blimey, another one who needs to grow up! "Fingers in my ears, lalala I can't hear you." Sheesh. MBTS has no more inside info than anyone else on here and has yet to prove any more footballing knowledge. That isn't to say his opinion isn't wanted. But to post on here is to give permission to be disagreed with. However, I do get fed up with people who wrongly assume who does and who doesn't get to games, despite being told a dozen times. People who think that longevity on a forum somehow gives them more validity. Pathetic. And who are you, his keeper? His dad? What the hell has it got to do with you? All you do is whinge and argue with people, so you are a hypocrite too. All I did was offer an opinion from Sunderland fans who don't particularly rate Connor Wickham. Who'd've thought it would turn into a dummy-spitting competition. I disagree with people when they proffer opinion as fact, a habit which is inexcusable. Ex-pat Arnie

12:50pm Tue 28 Jan 14

jcd1972 says...

Gee Jay wrote:
Uckfield Seagull wrote:
I have said before and I have said again, if Bridcutt and Buckley want to leave then I have no problem with that, I would much rather have players who want to give 100% every week and wear the blue and white shirt, Buckley is always injured so not sure whether he can cope with demands of premiership, Bridcutt is quality but if the boy wants to leave then let him go, nobody is bigger than the club, if we can get Wickham then personally I would be happy with that. Also said before is that we will realise our premiership dream without these 2 players, we have one of the best stadiums in the world, we have a fantastic youth set up who are developing fantastic young players, we have a chairman who bleeds blue and white like the fans, we have the best fans in the country who have lived more highs and lows than most, we have a manager who has performed outstandingly through difficult times in his first season, we are financially sound and wont suffer the same fate as many who have over spent, we obviously have people behind the scenes who know there stuff, we live in an outstanding city, above all, we will realise our premiership dream without Bridcutt and Buckley whether it this year, next or a few seasons time, we are a amazing club being well run and looked after, we will achieve the dream in the best possible way
If I could give this 10 'Thumbs-up' I would!

Connor Wickham on loan at Wednesday, scored 8 in 11 games, not shabby!
He cost Sunderland £8 million, his wages must be high, and that is why we might only have him on loan as part of any deal.
Gus still wants Liam Bridcut , does he also want Will Buckley, I am not sure, and we don't know.
One thing we do know is that we will need another winger if W.B.goes.
I am still hoping Conway comes back.
Also hoping Conway comes back. WB's a good player with pace but injury prone and Conway is a better crosser.

What we don't appear to know is whether Wickham would be willing to come to Brighton on a permanent deal even if we could afford him.
[quote][p][bold]Gee Jay[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Uckfield Seagull[/bold] wrote: I have said before and I have said again, if Bridcutt and Buckley want to leave then I have no problem with that, I would much rather have players who want to give 100% every week and wear the blue and white shirt, Buckley is always injured so not sure whether he can cope with demands of premiership, Bridcutt is quality but if the boy wants to leave then let him go, nobody is bigger than the club, if we can get Wickham then personally I would be happy with that. Also said before is that we will realise our premiership dream without these 2 players, we have one of the best stadiums in the world, we have a fantastic youth set up who are developing fantastic young players, we have a chairman who bleeds blue and white like the fans, we have the best fans in the country who have lived more highs and lows than most, we have a manager who has performed outstandingly through difficult times in his first season, we are financially sound and wont suffer the same fate as many who have over spent, we obviously have people behind the scenes who know there stuff, we live in an outstanding city, above all, we will realise our premiership dream without Bridcutt and Buckley whether it this year, next or a few seasons time, we are a amazing club being well run and looked after, we will achieve the dream in the best possible way[/p][/quote]If I could give this 10 'Thumbs-up' I would! Connor Wickham on loan at Wednesday, scored 8 in 11 games, not shabby! He cost Sunderland £8 million, his wages must be high, and that is why we might only have him on loan as part of any deal. Gus still wants Liam Bridcut , does he also want Will Buckley, I am not sure, and we don't know. One thing we do know is that we will need another winger if W.B.goes. I am still hoping Conway comes back.[/p][/quote]Also hoping Conway comes back. WB's a good player with pace but injury prone and Conway is a better crosser. What we don't appear to know is whether Wickham would be willing to come to Brighton on a permanent deal even if we could afford him. jcd1972

12:52pm Tue 28 Jan 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
I suggested this deal three weeks ago ! Lad is class striker 100 appearances at premier or championship level and 20 years old
Yes, thank goodness the club have you to listen to.

Wickham's record (other than this season) is not great, but there is still time for him to be coached. But if Gus prefers playing Lazy Altidore, what does that say of his opinion of the lad?

Friends of mine are lifelong Mackems and they described him as "Andy Carroll without the ability".
8 from 11 for sheff weds, you can't read a players record when he is 20,
You need to get out and watch a game.. Rather than wiki ..
Forest , reading happy to pay 4 million for him, obviously they know nothing too!
I mentioned about his record this season - I know how well he has done at Wednesday. (sighs...)

Mark, firstly you need to grow up: "You need to get out and watch a game." As I keep stating I have been to 5-6 games at the Amex this season and watch as many online. That's about half of them, the same as many season ticket holders.

Secondly, I was passing on the opinion of people (Sunderland season ticket holders) who have seen every game Wickham has played for Sunderland - their opinion on the lad is way more valid than yours.

Thirdly, I was saying he still has time to improve. Not sure which bit of that you didn't understand, but let me know and I'll go over the whole thing again slowly.

Fourthly, every time you write you are sounding increasingly like Freeloaders. You are letting your facade slip more and more. Struggling to remember which one you are?
You spend more time commenting on my posts than actual football..
Lad was 18 when sold for 8m .. He is very highly rated , maybe to young for premiership, but one for the future.
Brighton signed Zamora at around 20 years of age.. What had he done till he was 20. ? Bristol rovers reserves!
If I spend too much time replying to you (although still several orders of magnitude less than I spend watching or playing football) it's because you need telling everything a dozen times before you understand. You have the recall powers of a goldfish with alzheimer's.

However, although Wickham was bought "for the future" that was getting on for three years ago and at the moment he still hasn't justified anywhere near that spend. But as I think I'm going to need to keep on telling you, I agree that there is still time. And in case that still hasn't sunk in:

He still has time to become a good player.
He still has time to become a good player.
He still has time to become a good player.
He still has time to become a good player.
He still has time to become a good player.

Comprehend now?
He is a good player now! Compare his scoring in the championship with cms,
England under 21 , are you suggesting brighton should not sign him?
Of course he was not worth 8 million, that was never my point, he is a class act in the championship at 20 years of age, handled correctly he will be worth that again.. As I said should brighton not sign him?
CW: one goal every 3.7 games
CMS: one goal every 3.8 games

I have never said that Brighton should not sign him.
So your posts are about me wanting the club to sign him?
That's sad.
No, I am saying that there is a chance he is not quite the player everyone think he should have become by now. That is all I was saying. Whether the club are interested in him and think there is a place in the team for him (other than on the bench) is up to them.

Your posts were saying that I should get to even more games than I currently am before being allowed an opinion. That's sad.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: I suggested this deal three weeks ago ! Lad is class striker 100 appearances at premier or championship level and 20 years old[/p][/quote]Yes, thank goodness the club have you to listen to. Wickham's record (other than this season) is not great, but there is still time for him to be coached. But if Gus prefers playing Lazy Altidore, what does that say of his opinion of the lad? Friends of mine are lifelong Mackems and they described him as "Andy Carroll without the ability".[/p][/quote]8 from 11 for sheff weds, you can't read a players record when he is 20, You need to get out and watch a game.. Rather than wiki .. Forest , reading happy to pay 4 million for him, obviously they know nothing too![/p][/quote]I mentioned about his record this season - I know how well he has done at Wednesday. (sighs...) Mark, firstly you need to grow up: "You need to get out and watch a game." As I keep stating I have been to 5-6 games at the Amex this season and watch as many online. That's about half of them, the same as many season ticket holders. Secondly, I was passing on the opinion of people (Sunderland season ticket holders) who have seen every game Wickham has played for Sunderland - their opinion on the lad is way more valid than yours. Thirdly, I was saying he still has time to improve. Not sure which bit of that you didn't understand, but let me know and I'll go over the whole thing again slowly. Fourthly, every time you write you are sounding increasingly like Freeloaders. You are letting your facade slip more and more. Struggling to remember which one you are?[/p][/quote]You spend more time commenting on my posts than actual football.. Lad was 18 when sold for 8m .. He is very highly rated , maybe to young for premiership, but one for the future. Brighton signed Zamora at around 20 years of age.. What had he done till he was 20. ? Bristol rovers reserves![/p][/quote]If I spend too much time replying to you (although still several orders of magnitude less than I spend watching or playing football) it's because you need telling everything a dozen times before you understand. You have the recall powers of a goldfish with alzheimer's. However, although Wickham was bought "for the future" that was getting on for three years ago and at the moment he still hasn't justified anywhere near that spend. But as I think I'm going to need to keep on telling you, I agree that there is still time. And in case that still hasn't sunk in: He still has time to become a good player. He still has time to become a good player. He still has time to become a good player. He still has time to become a good player. He still has time to become a good player. Comprehend now?[/p][/quote]He is a good player now! Compare his scoring in the championship with cms, England under 21 , are you suggesting brighton should not sign him?[/p][/quote]Of course he was not worth 8 million, that was never my point, he is a class act in the championship at 20 years of age, handled correctly he will be worth that again.. As I said should brighton not sign him?[/p][/quote]CW: one goal every 3.7 games CMS: one goal every 3.8 games I have never said that Brighton should not sign him.[/p][/quote]So your posts are about me wanting the club to sign him? That's sad.[/p][/quote]No, I am saying that there is a chance he is not quite the player everyone think he should have become by now. That is all I was saying. Whether the club are interested in him and think there is a place in the team for him (other than on the bench) is up to them. Your posts were saying that I should get to even more games than I currently am before being allowed an opinion. That's sad. Ex-pat Arnie

12:53pm Tue 28 Jan 14

dave from bexill says...

Claude Back wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
I suggested this deal three weeks ago ! Lad is class striker 100 appearances at premier or championship level and 20 years old
Yes, thank goodness the club have you to listen to.

Wickham's record (other than this season) is not great, but there is still time for him to be coached. But if Gus prefers playing Lazy Altidore, what does that say of his opinion of the lad?

Friends of mine are lifelong Mackems and they described him as "Andy Carroll without the ability".
8 from 11 for sheff weds, you can't read a players record when he is 20,
You need to get out and watch a game.. Rather than wiki ..
Forest , reading happy to pay 4 million for him, obviously they know nothing too!
I mentioned about his record this season - I know how well he has done at Wednesday. (sighs...)

Mark, firstly you need to grow up: "You need to get out and watch a game." As I keep stating I have been to 5-6 games at the Amex this season and watch as many online. That's about half of them, the same as many season ticket holders.

Secondly, I was passing on the opinion of people (Sunderland season ticket holders) who have seen every game Wickham has played for Sunderland - their opinion on the lad is way more valid than yours.

Thirdly, I was saying he still has time to improve. Not sure which bit of that you didn't understand, but let me know and I'll go over the whole thing again slowly.

Fourthly, every time you write you are sounding increasingly like Freeloaders. You are letting your facade slip more and more. Struggling to remember which one you are?
Why don't you get off Mark's back?
He clearly knows more about Football and has more inside info than you will ever have. It is tiresome forever seeing you **** about other posters and their opinions, particularly MBTS.
I realise that will cue a lot of crass comments about me from selected posters on here but I don't mind as those mean nothing to me. Have a go at me by all means but leave MBTS alone who has contributed some really good info over the years long before you and other so called 'patriots' tried to take over the site.
Bring it on...I won't be returning to this particular page so say whatever you like. I won't read it. ;-)
Spot on as usual Claude. I for one enjoy MBTS comments.often insightful and knowledgeable, even though I don't always agree with him.
Arnie, you to make interesting comments on occasion, but you do have a habit of putting those down with whom you disagree and it's daft to suggest Mark is really Freeloaders. Just an observation
[quote][p][bold]Claude Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: I suggested this deal three weeks ago ! Lad is class striker 100 appearances at premier or championship level and 20 years old[/p][/quote]Yes, thank goodness the club have you to listen to. Wickham's record (other than this season) is not great, but there is still time for him to be coached. But if Gus prefers playing Lazy Altidore, what does that say of his opinion of the lad? Friends of mine are lifelong Mackems and they described him as "Andy Carroll without the ability".[/p][/quote]8 from 11 for sheff weds, you can't read a players record when he is 20, You need to get out and watch a game.. Rather than wiki .. Forest , reading happy to pay 4 million for him, obviously they know nothing too![/p][/quote]I mentioned about his record this season - I know how well he has done at Wednesday. (sighs...) Mark, firstly you need to grow up: "You need to get out and watch a game." As I keep stating I have been to 5-6 games at the Amex this season and watch as many online. That's about half of them, the same as many season ticket holders. Secondly, I was passing on the opinion of people (Sunderland season ticket holders) who have seen every game Wickham has played for Sunderland - their opinion on the lad is way more valid than yours. Thirdly, I was saying he still has time to improve. Not sure which bit of that you didn't understand, but let me know and I'll go over the whole thing again slowly. Fourthly, every time you write you are sounding increasingly like Freeloaders. You are letting your facade slip more and more. Struggling to remember which one you are?[/p][/quote]Why don't you get off Mark's back? He clearly knows more about Football and has more inside info than you will ever have. It is tiresome forever seeing you **** about other posters and their opinions, particularly MBTS. I realise that will cue a lot of crass comments about me from selected posters on here but I don't mind as those mean nothing to me. Have a go at me by all means but leave MBTS alone who has contributed some really good info over the years long before you and other so called 'patriots' tried to take over the site. Bring it on...I won't be returning to this particular page so say whatever you like. I won't read it. ;-)[/p][/quote]Spot on as usual Claude. I for one enjoy MBTS comments.often insightful and knowledgeable, even though I don't always agree with him. Arnie, you to make interesting comments on occasion, but you do have a habit of putting those down with whom you disagree and it's daft to suggest Mark is really Freeloaders. Just an observation dave from bexill

12:54pm Tue 28 Jan 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

Claude Back wrote:
So we cannot type 'b*tching' now? Why?
I thought you weren't coming back :-/

Seriously, why get involved, eh? We have enough disagreements without you joining in with another by going completely overboard. I just want to talk about the Albion - I'm sure that's what you really want too.
[quote][p][bold]Claude Back[/bold] wrote: So we cannot type 'b*tching' now? Why?[/p][/quote]I thought you weren't coming back :-/ Seriously, why get involved, eh? We have enough disagreements without you joining in with another by going completely overboard. I just want to talk about the Albion - I'm sure that's what you really want too. Ex-pat Arnie

12:55pm Tue 28 Jan 14

mark by the sea says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
I suggested this deal three weeks ago ! Lad is class striker 100 appearances at premier or championship level and 20 years old
Yes, thank goodness the club have you to listen to.

Wickham's record (other than this season) is not great, but there is still time for him to be coached. But if Gus prefers playing Lazy Altidore, what does that say of his opinion of the lad?

Friends of mine are lifelong Mackems and they described him as "Andy Carroll without the ability".
8 from 11 for sheff weds, you can't read a players record when he is 20,
You need to get out and watch a game.. Rather than wiki ..
Forest , reading happy to pay 4 million for him, obviously they know nothing too!
I mentioned about his record this season - I know how well he has done at Wednesday. (sighs...)

Mark, firstly you need to grow up: "You need to get out and watch a game." As I keep stating I have been to 5-6 games at the Amex this season and watch as many online. That's about half of them, the same as many season ticket holders.

Secondly, I was passing on the opinion of people (Sunderland season ticket holders) who have seen every game Wickham has played for Sunderland - their opinion on the lad is way more valid than yours.

Thirdly, I was saying he still has time to improve. Not sure which bit of that you didn't understand, but let me know and I'll go over the whole thing again slowly.

Fourthly, every time you write you are sounding increasingly like Freeloaders. You are letting your facade slip more and more. Struggling to remember which one you are?
You spend more time commenting on my posts than actual football..
Lad was 18 when sold for 8m .. He is very highly rated , maybe to young for premiership, but one for the future.
Brighton signed Zamora at around 20 years of age.. What had he done till he was 20. ? Bristol rovers reserves!
If I spend too much time replying to you (although still several orders of magnitude less than I spend watching or playing football) it's because you need telling everything a dozen times before you understand. You have the recall powers of a goldfish with alzheimer's.

However, although Wickham was bought "for the future" that was getting on for three years ago and at the moment he still hasn't justified anywhere near that spend. But as I think I'm going to need to keep on telling you, I agree that there is still time. And in case that still hasn't sunk in:

He still has time to become a good player.
He still has time to become a good player.
He still has time to become a good player.
He still has time to become a good player.
He still has time to become a good player.

Comprehend now?
He is a good player now! Compare his scoring in the championship with cms,
England under 21 , are you suggesting brighton should not sign him?
Of course he was not worth 8 million, that was never my point, he is a class act in the championship at 20 years of age, handled correctly he will be worth that again.. As I said should brighton not sign him?
CW: one goal every 3.7 games
CMS: one goal every 3.8 games

I have never said that Brighton should not sign him.
So your posts are about me wanting the club to sign him?
That's sad.
No, I am saying that there is a chance he is not quite the player everyone think he should have become by now. That is all I was saying. Whether the club are interested in him and think there is a place in the team for him (other than on the bench) is up to them.

Your posts were saying that I should get to even more games than I currently am before being allowed an opinion. That's sad.
You care about my opinion , that's fine, I don't care about your friend in sunder lands opinion, half the championship would sign him tomo.
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: I suggested this deal three weeks ago ! Lad is class striker 100 appearances at premier or championship level and 20 years old[/p][/quote]Yes, thank goodness the club have you to listen to. Wickham's record (other than this season) is not great, but there is still time for him to be coached. But if Gus prefers playing Lazy Altidore, what does that say of his opinion of the lad? Friends of mine are lifelong Mackems and they described him as "Andy Carroll without the ability".[/p][/quote]8 from 11 for sheff weds, you can't read a players record when he is 20, You need to get out and watch a game.. Rather than wiki .. Forest , reading happy to pay 4 million for him, obviously they know nothing too![/p][/quote]I mentioned about his record this season - I know how well he has done at Wednesday. (sighs...) Mark, firstly you need to grow up: "You need to get out and watch a game." As I keep stating I have been to 5-6 games at the Amex this season and watch as many online. That's about half of them, the same as many season ticket holders. Secondly, I was passing on the opinion of people (Sunderland season ticket holders) who have seen every game Wickham has played for Sunderland - their opinion on the lad is way more valid than yours. Thirdly, I was saying he still has time to improve. Not sure which bit of that you didn't understand, but let me know and I'll go over the whole thing again slowly. Fourthly, every time you write you are sounding increasingly like Freeloaders. You are letting your facade slip more and more. Struggling to remember which one you are?[/p][/quote]You spend more time commenting on my posts than actual football.. Lad was 18 when sold for 8m .. He is very highly rated , maybe to young for premiership, but one for the future. Brighton signed Zamora at around 20 years of age.. What had he done till he was 20. ? Bristol rovers reserves![/p][/quote]If I spend too much time replying to you (although still several orders of magnitude less than I spend watching or playing football) it's because you need telling everything a dozen times before you understand. You have the recall powers of a goldfish with alzheimer's. However, although Wickham was bought "for the future" that was getting on for three years ago and at the moment he still hasn't justified anywhere near that spend. But as I think I'm going to need to keep on telling you, I agree that there is still time. And in case that still hasn't sunk in: He still has time to become a good player. He still has time to become a good player. He still has time to become a good player. He still has time to become a good player. He still has time to become a good player. Comprehend now?[/p][/quote]He is a good player now! Compare his scoring in the championship with cms, England under 21 , are you suggesting brighton should not sign him?[/p][/quote]Of course he was not worth 8 million, that was never my point, he is a class act in the championship at 20 years of age, handled correctly he will be worth that again.. As I said should brighton not sign him?[/p][/quote]CW: one goal every 3.7 games CMS: one goal every 3.8 games I have never said that Brighton should not sign him.[/p][/quote]So your posts are about me wanting the club to sign him? That's sad.[/p][/quote]No, I am saying that there is a chance he is not quite the player everyone think he should have become by now. That is all I was saying. Whether the club are interested in him and think there is a place in the team for him (other than on the bench) is up to them. Your posts were saying that I should get to even more games than I currently am before being allowed an opinion. That's sad.[/p][/quote]You care about my opinion , that's fine, I don't care about your friend in sunder lands opinion, half the championship would sign him tomo. mark by the sea

12:57pm Tue 28 Jan 14

Southwick seagull says...

Wickham would be an excellent catch but he's on Prem wages which I doubt we could match if we took him now on a contract. But that's no reason why he shouldn't come on loan as part of a LB/WB deal til the end of the season. It must be possible to have an option to buy clause in any contract which would give us the facility to take him on a contract at the end of the season if we've made it to the Prem and think he's worth keeping. Best of both worlds for the Albion.
Wickham would be an excellent catch but he's on Prem wages which I doubt we could match if we took him now on a contract. But that's no reason why he shouldn't come on loan as part of a LB/WB deal til the end of the season. It must be possible to have an option to buy clause in any contract which would give us the facility to take him on a contract at the end of the season if we've made it to the Prem and think he's worth keeping. Best of both worlds for the Albion. Southwick seagull

12:58pm Tue 28 Jan 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

Dave from Bexhill - I never mean to put down anyone, but do you not think that MBTS's comment that "You need to get out and watch a game.. Rather than wiki .." is also disrespectful? Especially when I get this all the time from him - people get confused by my nickname, I think.

Vegas gets to far fewer games than me but never has that accusation thrown at him.
Dave from Bexhill - I never mean to put down anyone, but do you not think that MBTS's comment that "You need to get out and watch a game.. Rather than wiki .." is also disrespectful? Especially when I get this all the time from him - people get confused by my nickname, I think. Vegas gets to far fewer games than me but never has that accusation thrown at him. Ex-pat Arnie

1:02pm Tue 28 Jan 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
I suggested this deal three weeks ago ! Lad is class striker 100 appearances at premier or championship level and 20 years old
Yes, thank goodness the club have you to listen to.

Wickham's record (other than this season) is not great, but there is still time for him to be coached. But if Gus prefers playing Lazy Altidore, what does that say of his opinion of the lad?

Friends of mine are lifelong Mackems and they described him as "Andy Carroll without the ability".
8 from 11 for sheff weds, you can't read a players record when he is 20,
You need to get out and watch a game.. Rather than wiki ..
Forest , reading happy to pay 4 million for him, obviously they know nothing too!
I mentioned about his record this season - I know how well he has done at Wednesday. (sighs...)

Mark, firstly you need to grow up: "You need to get out and watch a game." As I keep stating I have been to 5-6 games at the Amex this season and watch as many online. That's about half of them, the same as many season ticket holders.

Secondly, I was passing on the opinion of people (Sunderland season ticket holders) who have seen every game Wickham has played for Sunderland - their opinion on the lad is way more valid than yours.

Thirdly, I was saying he still has time to improve. Not sure which bit of that you didn't understand, but let me know and I'll go over the whole thing again slowly.

Fourthly, every time you write you are sounding increasingly like Freeloaders. You are letting your facade slip more and more. Struggling to remember which one you are?
You spend more time commenting on my posts than actual football..
Lad was 18 when sold for 8m .. He is very highly rated , maybe to young for premiership, but one for the future.
Brighton signed Zamora at around 20 years of age.. What had he done till he was 20. ? Bristol rovers reserves!
If I spend too much time replying to you (although still several orders of magnitude less than I spend watching or playing football) it's because you need telling everything a dozen times before you understand. You have the recall powers of a goldfish with alzheimer's.

However, although Wickham was bought "for the future" that was getting on for three years ago and at the moment he still hasn't justified anywhere near that spend. But as I think I'm going to need to keep on telling you, I agree that there is still time. And in case that still hasn't sunk in:

He still has time to become a good player.
He still has time to become a good player.
He still has time to become a good player.
He still has time to become a good player.
He still has time to become a good player.

Comprehend now?
He is a good player now! Compare his scoring in the championship with cms,
England under 21 , are you suggesting brighton should not sign him?
Of course he was not worth 8 million, that was never my point, he is a class act in the championship at 20 years of age, handled correctly he will be worth that again.. As I said should brighton not sign him?
CW: one goal every 3.7 games
CMS: one goal every 3.8 games

I have never said that Brighton should not sign him.
So your posts are about me wanting the club to sign him?
That's sad.
No, I am saying that there is a chance he is not quite the player everyone think he should have become by now. That is all I was saying. Whether the club are interested in him and think there is a place in the team for him (other than on the bench) is up to them.

Your posts were saying that I should get to even more games than I currently am before being allowed an opinion. That's sad.
You care about my opinion , that's fine, I don't care about your friend in sunder lands opinion, half the championship would sign him tomo.
So you don't care about the opinion people who have seen lots of him? That's your prerogative of course, but all information on a player is useful, rather than the fact he was highly rated as a teenager. (So was Freddy Adu...)

I am also NOT (repeat NOT) saying we shouldn't sign him. I'm not sure where he could fit in other than as a replacement for Ulloa, but that is for the club to consider IF he ever gets offered to us.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: I suggested this deal three weeks ago ! Lad is class striker 100 appearances at premier or championship level and 20 years old[/p][/quote]Yes, thank goodness the club have you to listen to. Wickham's record (other than this season) is not great, but there is still time for him to be coached. But if Gus prefers playing Lazy Altidore, what does that say of his opinion of the lad? Friends of mine are lifelong Mackems and they described him as "Andy Carroll without the ability".[/p][/quote]8 from 11 for sheff weds, you can't read a players record when he is 20, You need to get out and watch a game.. Rather than wiki .. Forest , reading happy to pay 4 million for him, obviously they know nothing too![/p][/quote]I mentioned about his record this season - I know how well he has done at Wednesday. (sighs...) Mark, firstly you need to grow up: "You need to get out and watch a game." As I keep stating I have been to 5-6 games at the Amex this season and watch as many online. That's about half of them, the same as many season ticket holders. Secondly, I was passing on the opinion of people (Sunderland season ticket holders) who have seen every game Wickham has played for Sunderland - their opinion on the lad is way more valid than yours. Thirdly, I was saying he still has time to improve. Not sure which bit of that you didn't understand, but let me know and I'll go over the whole thing again slowly. Fourthly, every time you write you are sounding increasingly like Freeloaders. You are letting your facade slip more and more. Struggling to remember which one you are?[/p][/quote]You spend more time commenting on my posts than actual football.. Lad was 18 when sold for 8m .. He is very highly rated , maybe to young for premiership, but one for the future. Brighton signed Zamora at around 20 years of age.. What had he done till he was 20. ? Bristol rovers reserves![/p][/quote]If I spend too much time replying to you (although still several orders of magnitude less than I spend watching or playing football) it's because you need telling everything a dozen times before you understand. You have the recall powers of a goldfish with alzheimer's. However, although Wickham was bought "for the future" that was getting on for three years ago and at the moment he still hasn't justified anywhere near that spend. But as I think I'm going to need to keep on telling you, I agree that there is still time. And in case that still hasn't sunk in: He still has time to become a good player. He still has time to become a good player. He still has time to become a good player. He still has time to become a good player. He still has time to become a good player. Comprehend now?[/p][/quote]He is a good player now! Compare his scoring in the championship with cms, England under 21 , are you suggesting brighton should not sign him?[/p][/quote]Of course he was not worth 8 million, that was never my point, he is a class act in the championship at 20 years of age, handled correctly he will be worth that again.. As I said should brighton not sign him?[/p][/quote]CW: one goal every 3.7 games CMS: one goal every 3.8 games I have never said that Brighton should not sign him.[/p][/quote]So your posts are about me wanting the club to sign him? That's sad.[/p][/quote]No, I am saying that there is a chance he is not quite the player everyone think he should have become by now. That is all I was saying. Whether the club are interested in him and think there is a place in the team for him (other than on the bench) is up to them. Your posts were saying that I should get to even more games than I currently am before being allowed an opinion. That's sad.[/p][/quote]You care about my opinion , that's fine, I don't care about your friend in sunder lands opinion, half the championship would sign him tomo.[/p][/quote]So you don't care about the opinion people who have seen lots of him? That's your prerogative of course, but all information on a player is useful, rather than the fact he was highly rated as a teenager. (So was Freddy Adu...) I am also NOT (repeat NOT) saying we shouldn't sign him. I'm not sure where he could fit in other than as a replacement for Ulloa, but that is for the club to consider IF he ever gets offered to us. Ex-pat Arnie

1:03pm Tue 28 Jan 14

dave from bexill says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
Dave from Bexhill - I never mean to put down anyone, but do you not think that MBTS's comment that "You need to get out and watch a game.. Rather than wiki .." is also disrespectful? Especially when I get this all the time from him - people get confused by my nickname, I think.

Vegas gets to far fewer games than me but never has that accusation thrown at him.
Fair enough Arnie
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: Dave from Bexhill - I never mean to put down anyone, but do you not think that MBTS's comment that "You need to get out and watch a game.. Rather than wiki .." is also disrespectful? Especially when I get this all the time from him - people get confused by my nickname, I think. Vegas gets to far fewer games than me but never has that accusation thrown at him.[/p][/quote]Fair enough Arnie dave from bexill

1:13pm Tue 28 Jan 14

SMF20 says...

Captain Haddock wrote:
SMF20 wrote:
If Wickham is to only be a sweetener on loan then I'd hope that the club would be looking at receiving £6-7m cash from Sunderland for our 2 departing boys.
If however Wickham was to be more permanent, which would be my personal preference then perhaps we should accept him + £2-3m.

Lots of players having there say at the moment rightly or wrongly... I look at this and think that what they are probably thinking about is if we still have the ambition we seemed to have a season back... I'd really hate to lose Kuz and Upson because they don't see us progessing further.
It must be hard for the players too seeing good lads leave and also knowing that 2 of our best might be gone by Friday.
I think personally that everyone at the club could do with a bit of a pick up at the moment.
Yes we are heading in the right direction and yes we are doing it in the right way and by the rules... For now though we have stalled and imho we need a kick start.

Here's to a great result tonight and a strong finish to the week as far as transfers are concerned.

Onwards uta
Spot on, again, SMF. Agree with all of that but would like to add that investing the right amount in the right player(s) is worth the spend as it effectively serves to re-sign Tommy, Matty and Ward - players who would cost us to acquire on the open market (fee and / or signing on fee) if they were unattached.

We have them here now, they are generally happy and settled so we have an advantage. Let's use that by showing our ambition.

Wickham, Conway and an exciting ACM'er would suffice.
I couldn't agree more my friend...

Decent signings for decent money (within limits) will only benefit us when it comes to renewal time for the guys you mention.
As I mentioned... I'd really hate to lose Upson and Kuz.

Uta
[quote][p][bold]Captain Haddock[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SMF20[/bold] wrote: If Wickham is to only be a sweetener on loan then I'd hope that the club would be looking at receiving £6-7m cash from Sunderland for our 2 departing boys. If however Wickham was to be more permanent, which would be my personal preference then perhaps we should accept him + £2-3m. Lots of players having there say at the moment rightly or wrongly... I look at this and think that what they are probably thinking about is if we still have the ambition we seemed to have a season back... I'd really hate to lose Kuz and Upson because they don't see us progessing further. It must be hard for the players too seeing good lads leave and also knowing that 2 of our best might be gone by Friday. I think personally that everyone at the club could do with a bit of a pick up at the moment. Yes we are heading in the right direction and yes we are doing it in the right way and by the rules... For now though we have stalled and imho we need a kick start. Here's to a great result tonight and a strong finish to the week as far as transfers are concerned. Onwards uta[/p][/quote]Spot on, again, SMF. Agree with all of that but would like to add that investing the right amount in the right player(s) is worth the spend as it effectively serves to re-sign Tommy, Matty and Ward - players who would cost us to acquire on the open market (fee and / or signing on fee) if they were unattached. We have them here now, they are generally happy and settled so we have an advantage. Let's use that by showing our ambition. Wickham, Conway and an exciting ACM'er would suffice.[/p][/quote]I couldn't agree more my friend... Decent signings for decent money (within limits) will only benefit us when it comes to renewal time for the guys you mention. As I mentioned... I'd really hate to lose Upson and Kuz. Uta SMF20

1:31pm Tue 28 Jan 14

tinker111 says...

Tonyuk175 wrote:
Why not staight swap for cattermole and wickham???
NO THANKS BIG LOSS FOR ALBION
[quote][p][bold]Tonyuk175[/bold] wrote: Why not staight swap for cattermole and wickham???[/p][/quote]NO THANKS BIG LOSS FOR ALBION tinker111

1:35pm Tue 28 Jan 14

mikeygit says...

I still think it a disgrace that Liam does not play because ´his mind is not right´???!! How many employers would put up with that excuse for not working?? None I guess --except in football: He has to go and quickly--why should BHA pay him his wages when HE does not want to play football for us An utter disgrace.
I still think it a disgrace that Liam does not play because ´his mind is not right´???!! How many employers would put up with that excuse for not working?? None I guess --except in football: He has to go and quickly--why should BHA pay him his wages when HE does not want to play football for us An utter disgrace. mikeygit

1:44pm Tue 28 Jan 14

Gee Jay says...

MBTS and Ex Pat Arnie...............
LEAVE IT!

We are fed up with scroling through your petty niggles.
MBTS and Ex Pat Arnie............... LEAVE IT! We are fed up with scroling through your petty niggles. Gee Jay

1:44pm Tue 28 Jan 14

tonypulis says...

dave from bexill wrote:
tonypulis wrote:
Mark by the Sea - don't worry what people think of you. It's a message board full of loons like me. Don't take it too seriously.
Tony, you're a breath of fresh air on here and always make me smile. Shame you're such a cr*p manager.
Pretty much what Prince Charming said to me after the Wigan debacle.
[quote][p][bold]dave from bexill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tonypulis[/bold] wrote: Mark by the Sea - don't worry what people think of you. It's a message board full of loons like me. Don't take it too seriously.[/p][/quote]Tony, you're a breath of fresh air on here and always make me smile. Shame you're such a cr*p manager.[/p][/quote]Pretty much what Prince Charming said to me after the Wigan debacle. tonypulis

1:47pm Tue 28 Jan 14

Clean Sheet says...

Our club has made their position clear on Bridders, by refusing his transfer request. That means that anyone wanting to buy must meet our valuation. The fact that we got him on a free does not mean we take a discount. It is what he is worth to the buyer now, if it meets our valuation is the only thing meaningful. Everton got Rooney for free, did they pass on a discount to MU? If we take Connor Wickham, I guess it will be on a loan deal, asa he will be on PL wages, that we are unlikely to pay until we are in the PL. It would be really nice if GP subsidised CW at Brighton.
Our club has made their position clear on Bridders, by refusing his transfer request. That means that anyone wanting to buy must meet our valuation. The fact that we got him on a free does not mean we take a discount. It is what he is worth to the buyer now, if it meets our valuation is the only thing meaningful. Everton got Rooney for free, did they pass on a discount to MU? If we take Connor Wickham, I guess it will be on a loan deal, asa he will be on PL wages, that we are unlikely to pay until we are in the PL. It would be really nice if GP subsidised CW at Brighton. Clean Sheet

1:52pm Tue 28 Jan 14

Camp Nigel says...

Gee Jay wrote:
MBTS and Ex Pat Arnie...............

LEAVE IT!

We are fed up with scroling through your petty niggles.
Oooooooh the drama!
[quote][p][bold]Gee Jay[/bold] wrote: MBTS and Ex Pat Arnie............... LEAVE IT! We are fed up with scroling through your petty niggles.[/p][/quote]Oooooooh the drama! Camp Nigel

1:53pm Tue 28 Jan 14

sgambling1 says...

All very well prizing away Buckley & Bricutt with a respected young talent who's proven at this level.. However, does he actually want to move down south? will he be givena choice? I think that should be considered before making this move as it really would effect his form!
All very well prizing away Buckley & Bricutt with a respected young talent who's proven at this level.. However, does he actually want to move down south? will he be givena choice? I think that should be considered before making this move as it really would effect his form! sgambling1

2:09pm Tue 28 Jan 14

wiseman of hove says...

I think it was Hamlet who spoke of "hoist with your own petard". Not sure if our former manager is familiar with Hamlet but you do set up a potential trap for yourself if you:-
(a) announce that Bridcutt is good enough for Real Madrid - subject to frame of mind, of course
(b) announce that Buckley is better than Zaha for whom one of the world's greatest ever managers paid £15 million.
Over to you Messrs Bloom and Barber.
I think it was Hamlet who spoke of "hoist with your own petard". Not sure if our former manager is familiar with Hamlet but you do set up a potential trap for yourself if you:- (a) announce that Bridcutt is good enough for Real Madrid - subject to frame of mind, of course (b) announce that Buckley is better than Zaha for whom one of the world's greatest ever managers paid £15 million. Over to you Messrs Bloom and Barber. wiseman of hove

2:10pm Tue 28 Jan 14

Singing Seagull, Indonesia says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
I suggested this deal three weeks ago ! Lad is class striker 100 appearances at premier or championship level and 20 years old
Yes, thank goodness the club have you to listen to.

Wickham's record (other than this season) is not great, but there is still time for him to be coached. But if Gus prefers playing Lazy Altidore, what does that say of his opinion of the lad?

Friends of mine are lifelong Mackems and they described him as "Andy Carroll without the ability".
8 from 11 for sheff weds, you can't read a players record when he is 20,
You need to get out and watch a game.. Rather than wiki ..
Forest , reading happy to pay 4 million for him, obviously they know nothing too!
I mentioned about his record this season - I know how well he has done at Wednesday. (sighs...)

Mark, firstly you need to grow up: "You need to get out and watch a game." As I keep stating I have been to 5-6 games at the Amex this season and watch as many online. That's about half of them, the same as many season ticket holders.

Secondly, I was passing on the opinion of people (Sunderland season ticket holders) who have seen every game Wickham has played for Sunderland - their opinion on the lad is way more valid than yours.

Thirdly, I was saying he still has time to improve. Not sure which bit of that you didn't understand, but let me know and I'll go over the whole thing again slowly.

Fourthly, every time you write you are sounding increasingly like Freeloaders. You are letting your facade slip more and more. Struggling to remember which one you are?
You spend more time commenting on my posts than actual football..
Lad was 18 when sold for 8m .. He is very highly rated , maybe to young for premiership, but one for the future.
Brighton signed Zamora at around 20 years of age.. What had he done till he was 20. ? Bristol rovers reserves!
If I spend too much time replying to you (although still several orders of magnitude less than I spend watching or playing football) it's because you need telling everything a dozen times before you understand. You have the recall powers of a goldfish with alzheimer's.

However, although Wickham was bought "for the future" that was getting on for three years ago and at the moment he still hasn't justified anywhere near that spend. But as I think I'm going to need to keep on telling you, I agree that there is still time. And in case that still hasn't sunk in:

He still has time to become a good player.
He still has time to become a good player.
He still has time to become a good player.
He still has time to become a good player.
He still has time to become a good player.

Comprehend now?
He is a good player now! Compare his scoring in the championship with cms,
England under 21 , are you suggesting brighton should not sign him?
Of course he was not worth 8 million, that was never my point, he is a class act in the championship at 20 years of age, handled correctly he will be worth that again.. As I said should brighton not sign him?
CW: one goal every 3.7 games
CMS: one goal every 3.8 games

I have never said that Brighton should not sign him.
So your posts are about me wanting the club to sign him?
That's sad.
No, I am saying that there is a chance he is not quite the player everyone think he should have become by now. That is all I was saying. Whether the club are interested in him and think there is a place in the team for him (other than on the bench) is up to them.

Your posts were saying that I should get to even more games than I currently am before being allowed an opinion. That's sad.
You care about my opinion , that's fine, I don't care about your friend in sunder lands opinion, half the championship would sign him tomo.
So you don't care about the opinion people who have seen lots of him? That's your prerogative of course, but all information on a player is useful, rather than the fact he was highly rated as a teenager. (So was Freddy Adu...)

I am also NOT (repeat NOT) saying we shouldn't sign him. I'm not sure where he could fit in other than as a replacement for Ulloa, but that is for the club to consider IF he ever gets offered to us.
Boys, boys, boys. If you don't stop all this bickering I'm going to have to come over there and bang your heads together.... (as my old dad used to say!)

UTA!!
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: I suggested this deal three weeks ago ! Lad is class striker 100 appearances at premier or championship level and 20 years old[/p][/quote]Yes, thank goodness the club have you to listen to. Wickham's record (other than this season) is not great, but there is still time for him to be coached. But if Gus prefers playing Lazy Altidore, what does that say of his opinion of the lad? Friends of mine are lifelong Mackems and they described him as "Andy Carroll without the ability".[/p][/quote]8 from 11 for sheff weds, you can't read a players record when he is 20, You need to get out and watch a game.. Rather than wiki .. Forest , reading happy to pay 4 million for him, obviously they know nothing too![/p][/quote]I mentioned about his record this season - I know how well he has done at Wednesday. (sighs...) Mark, firstly you need to grow up: "You need to get out and watch a game." As I keep stating I have been to 5-6 games at the Amex this season and watch as many online. That's about half of them, the same as many season ticket holders. Secondly, I was passing on the opinion of people (Sunderland season ticket holders) who have seen every game Wickham has played for Sunderland - their opinion on the lad is way more valid than yours. Thirdly, I was saying he still has time to improve. Not sure which bit of that you didn't understand, but let me know and I'll go over the whole thing again slowly. Fourthly, every time you write you are sounding increasingly like Freeloaders. You are letting your facade slip more and more. Struggling to remember which one you are?[/p][/quote]You spend more time commenting on my posts than actual football.. Lad was 18 when sold for 8m .. He is very highly rated , maybe to young for premiership, but one for the future. Brighton signed Zamora at around 20 years of age.. What had he done till he was 20. ? Bristol rovers reserves![/p][/quote]If I spend too much time replying to you (although still several orders of magnitude less than I spend watching or playing football) it's because you need telling everything a dozen times before you understand. You have the recall powers of a goldfish with alzheimer's. However, although Wickham was bought "for the future" that was getting on for three years ago and at the moment he still hasn't justified anywhere near that spend. But as I think I'm going to need to keep on telling you, I agree that there is still time. And in case that still hasn't sunk in: He still has time to become a good player. He still has time to become a good player. He still has time to become a good player. He still has time to become a good player. He still has time to become a good player. Comprehend now?[/p][/quote]He is a good player now! Compare his scoring in the championship with cms, England under 21 , are you suggesting brighton should not sign him?[/p][/quote]Of course he was not worth 8 million, that was never my point, he is a class act in the championship at 20 years of age, handled correctly he will be worth that again.. As I said should brighton not sign him?[/p][/quote]CW: one goal every 3.7 games CMS: one goal every 3.8 games I have never said that Brighton should not sign him.[/p][/quote]So your posts are about me wanting the club to sign him? That's sad.[/p][/quote]No, I am saying that there is a chance he is not quite the player everyone think he should have become by now. That is all I was saying. Whether the club are interested in him and think there is a place in the team for him (other than on the bench) is up to them. Your posts were saying that I should get to even more games than I currently am before being allowed an opinion. That's sad.[/p][/quote]You care about my opinion , that's fine, I don't care about your friend in sunder lands opinion, half the championship would sign him tomo.[/p][/quote]So you don't care about the opinion people who have seen lots of him? That's your prerogative of course, but all information on a player is useful, rather than the fact he was highly rated as a teenager. (So was Freddy Adu...) I am also NOT (repeat NOT) saying we shouldn't sign him. I'm not sure where he could fit in other than as a replacement for Ulloa, but that is for the club to consider IF he ever gets offered to us.[/p][/quote]Boys, boys, boys. If you don't stop all this bickering I'm going to have to come over there and bang your heads together.... (as my old dad used to say!) UTA!! Singing Seagull, Indonesia

2:10pm Tue 28 Jan 14

Singing Seagull, Indonesia says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
I suggested this deal three weeks ago ! Lad is class striker 100 appearances at premier or championship level and 20 years old
Yes, thank goodness the club have you to listen to.

Wickham's record (other than this season) is not great, but there is still time for him to be coached. But if Gus prefers playing Lazy Altidore, what does that say of his opinion of the lad?

Friends of mine are lifelong Mackems and they described him as "Andy Carroll without the ability".
8 from 11 for sheff weds, you can't read a players record when he is 20,
You need to get out and watch a game.. Rather than wiki ..
Forest , reading happy to pay 4 million for him, obviously they know nothing too!
I mentioned about his record this season - I know how well he has done at Wednesday. (sighs...)

Mark, firstly you need to grow up: "You need to get out and watch a game." As I keep stating I have been to 5-6 games at the Amex this season and watch as many online. That's about half of them, the same as many season ticket holders.

Secondly, I was passing on the opinion of people (Sunderland season ticket holders) who have seen every game Wickham has played for Sunderland - their opinion on the lad is way more valid than yours.

Thirdly, I was saying he still has time to improve. Not sure which bit of that you didn't understand, but let me know and I'll go over the whole thing again slowly.

Fourthly, every time you write you are sounding increasingly like Freeloaders. You are letting your facade slip more and more. Struggling to remember which one you are?
You spend more time commenting on my posts than actual football..
Lad was 18 when sold for 8m .. He is very highly rated , maybe to young for premiership, but one for the future.
Brighton signed Zamora at around 20 years of age.. What had he done till he was 20. ? Bristol rovers reserves!
If I spend too much time replying to you (although still several orders of magnitude less than I spend watching or playing football) it's because you need telling everything a dozen times before you understand. You have the recall powers of a goldfish with alzheimer's.

However, although Wickham was bought "for the future" that was getting on for three years ago and at the moment he still hasn't justified anywhere near that spend. But as I think I'm going to need to keep on telling you, I agree that there is still time. And in case that still hasn't sunk in:

He still has time to become a good player.
He still has time to become a good player.
He still has time to become a good player.
He still has time to become a good player.
He still has time to become a good player.

Comprehend now?
He is a good player now! Compare his scoring in the championship with cms,
England under 21 , are you suggesting brighton should not sign him?
Of course he was not worth 8 million, that was never my point, he is a class act in the championship at 20 years of age, handled correctly he will be worth that again.. As I said should brighton not sign him?
CW: one goal every 3.7 games
CMS: one goal every 3.8 games

I have never said that Brighton should not sign him.
So your posts are about me wanting the club to sign him?
That's sad.
No, I am saying that there is a chance he is not quite the player everyone think he should have become by now. That is all I was saying. Whether the club are interested in him and think there is a place in the team for him (other than on the bench) is up to them.

Your posts were saying that I should get to even more games than I currently am before being allowed an opinion. That's sad.
You care about my opinion , that's fine, I don't care about your friend in sunder lands opinion, half the championship would sign him tomo.
So you don't care about the opinion people who have seen lots of him? That's your prerogative of course, but all information on a player is useful, rather than the fact he was highly rated as a teenager. (So was Freddy Adu...)

I am also NOT (repeat NOT) saying we shouldn't sign him. I'm not sure where he could fit in other than as a replacement for Ulloa, but that is for the club to consider IF he ever gets offered to us.
Boys, boys, boys. If you don't stop all this bickering I'm going to have to come over there and bang your heads together.... (as my old dad used to say!)

UTA!!
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: I suggested this deal three weeks ago ! Lad is class striker 100 appearances at premier or championship level and 20 years old[/p][/quote]Yes, thank goodness the club have you to listen to. Wickham's record (other than this season) is not great, but there is still time for him to be coached. But if Gus prefers playing Lazy Altidore, what does that say of his opinion of the lad? Friends of mine are lifelong Mackems and they described him as "Andy Carroll without the ability".[/p][/quote]8 from 11 for sheff weds, you can't read a players record when he is 20, You need to get out and watch a game.. Rather than wiki .. Forest , reading happy to pay 4 million for him, obviously they know nothing too![/p][/quote]I mentioned about his record this season - I know how well he has done at Wednesday. (sighs...) Mark, firstly you need to grow up: "You need to get out and watch a game." As I keep stating I have been to 5-6 games at the Amex this season and watch as many online. That's about half of them, the same as many season ticket holders. Secondly, I was passing on the opinion of people (Sunderland season ticket holders) who have seen every game Wickham has played for Sunderland - their opinion on the lad is way more valid than yours. Thirdly, I was saying he still has time to improve. Not sure which bit of that you didn't understand, but let me know and I'll go over the whole thing again slowly. Fourthly, every time you write you are sounding increasingly like Freeloaders. You are letting your facade slip more and more. Struggling to remember which one you are?[/p][/quote]You spend more time commenting on my posts than actual football.. Lad was 18 when sold for 8m .. He is very highly rated , maybe to young for premiership, but one for the future. Brighton signed Zamora at around 20 years of age.. What had he done till he was 20. ? Bristol rovers reserves![/p][/quote]If I spend too much time replying to you (although still several orders of magnitude less than I spend watching or playing football) it's because you need telling everything a dozen times before you understand. You have the recall powers of a goldfish with alzheimer's. However, although Wickham was bought "for the future" that was getting on for three years ago and at the moment he still hasn't justified anywhere near that spend. But as I think I'm going to need to keep on telling you, I agree that there is still time. And in case that still hasn't sunk in: He still has time to become a good player. He still has time to become a good player. He still has time to become a good player. He still has time to become a good player. He still has time to become a good player. Comprehend now?[/p][/quote]He is a good player now! Compare his scoring in the championship with cms, England under 21 , are you suggesting brighton should not sign him?[/p][/quote]Of course he was not worth 8 million, that was never my point, he is a class act in the championship at 20 years of age, handled correctly he will be worth that again.. As I said should brighton not sign him?[/p][/quote]CW: one goal every 3.7 games CMS: one goal every 3.8 games I have never said that Brighton should not sign him.[/p][/quote]So your posts are about me wanting the club to sign him? That's sad.[/p][/quote]No, I am saying that there is a chance he is not quite the player everyone think he should have become by now. That is all I was saying. Whether the club are interested in him and think there is a place in the team for him (other than on the bench) is up to them. Your posts were saying that I should get to even more games than I currently am before being allowed an opinion. That's sad.[/p][/quote]You care about my opinion , that's fine, I don't care about your friend in sunder lands opinion, half the championship would sign him tomo.[/p][/quote]So you don't care about the opinion people who have seen lots of him? That's your prerogative of course, but all information on a player is useful, rather than the fact he was highly rated as a teenager. (So was Freddy Adu...) I am also NOT (repeat NOT) saying we shouldn't sign him. I'm not sure where he could fit in other than as a replacement for Ulloa, but that is for the club to consider IF he ever gets offered to us.[/p][/quote]Boys, boys, boys. If you don't stop all this bickering I'm going to have to come over there and bang your heads together.... (as my old dad used to say!) UTA!! Singing Seagull, Indonesia

2:25pm Tue 28 Jan 14

albion64 says...

Tonyuk175 wrote:
Agree the lads done well at sheffield so why not add him to our squad but lets get him for good in the deal !
Saw this coming yesterday when I read Pooyet had used his 24 hour loan return powers. Apparently Sunderland are struggling up front, so why sell Wickham? I hope that Leo isn't part of the plan.

Tony, if you are reading these pages, " Make Sunderland pay and pay big for our players". I find it bloody annoying that ex managers can dip in to their old clubs. Poor Everton lost Mr big hair to Utd (didnt do him any good though) and they also wanted Baines. For your cheek, let's slap another million on!!
UTA
[quote][p][bold]Tonyuk175[/bold] wrote: Agree the lads done well at sheffield so why not add him to our squad but lets get him for good in the deal ![/p][/quote]Saw this coming yesterday when I read Pooyet had used his 24 hour loan return powers. Apparently Sunderland are struggling up front, so why sell Wickham? I hope that Leo isn't part of the plan. Tony, if you are reading these pages, " Make Sunderland pay and pay big for our players". I find it bloody annoying that ex managers can dip in to their old clubs. Poor Everton lost Mr big hair to Utd (didnt do him any good though) and they also wanted Baines. For your cheek, let's slap another million on!! UTA albion64

2:34pm Tue 28 Jan 14

twonk says...

Can bait thicken? I thought that was just plots.
Can bait thicken? I thought that was just plots. twonk

2:48pm Tue 28 Jan 14

Camp Nigel says...

All this bickering! Why don't we all just sit down and have a nice cup of tea?
All this bickering! Why don't we all just sit down and have a nice cup of tea? Camp Nigel

3:25pm Tue 28 Jan 14

Chi Gull says...

I am with MBTS. CW is a player with huge potential and has a very good scoring record in the Championship. I expect being on his 4th manager in less than 3 seasons hasn't helped at Sunderland. I would take him if the overall deal felt right.

As for Bridcutt - he hasn't refused to play. he has told OG that his mind might not be 100% right (understandably) and OG hasn't picked him. I am sure if we were desperate he would pick him. It happens all the time with players during the transfer windows.
I am with MBTS. CW is a player with huge potential and has a very good scoring record in the Championship. I expect being on his 4th manager in less than 3 seasons hasn't helped at Sunderland. I would take him if the overall deal felt right. As for Bridcutt - he hasn't refused to play. he has told OG that his mind might not be 100% right (understandably) and OG hasn't picked him. I am sure if we were desperate he would pick him. It happens all the time with players during the transfer windows. Chi Gull

3:41pm Tue 28 Jan 14

albion64 says...

Tonyuk175 wrote:
Agree the lads done well at sheffield so why not add him to our squad but lets get him for good in the deal !
Saw this coming yesterday when I read Pooyet had used his 24 hour loan return powers. Apparently Sunderland are struggling up front, so why sell Wickham? I hope that Leo isn't part of the plan.

Tony, if you are reading these pages, " Make Sunderland pay and pay big for our players". I find it bloody annoying that ex managers can dip in to their old clubs. Poor Everton lost Mr big hair to Utd (didnt do him any good though) and they also wanted Baines. For your cheek, let's slap another million on!!
UTA
[quote][p][bold]Tonyuk175[/bold] wrote: Agree the lads done well at sheffield so why not add him to our squad but lets get him for good in the deal ![/p][/quote]Saw this coming yesterday when I read Pooyet had used his 24 hour loan return powers. Apparently Sunderland are struggling up front, so why sell Wickham? I hope that Leo isn't part of the plan. Tony, if you are reading these pages, " Make Sunderland pay and pay big for our players". I find it bloody annoying that ex managers can dip in to their old clubs. Poor Everton lost Mr big hair to Utd (didnt do him any good though) and they also wanted Baines. For your cheek, let's slap another million on!! UTA albion64

3:53pm Tue 28 Jan 14

Gardenboy says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
Gardenboy wrote:
I guess Liam's mind is on the potential for a salary three and a half times what he's getting at Brighton. Good luck to him, he deserves Premiership wages!
Fair points, although no-one here knows what he's currently on and no-one here knows what he will be offered by Sunderland.
£30k a week on offer
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gardenboy[/bold] wrote: I guess Liam's mind is on the potential for a salary three and a half times what he's getting at Brighton. Good luck to him, he deserves Premiership wages![/p][/quote]Fair points, although no-one here knows what he's currently on and no-one here knows what he will be offered by Sunderland.[/p][/quote]£30k a week on offer Gardenboy

4:02pm Tue 28 Jan 14

dave from bexill says...

More Transfer Gossip: Albion make offer for Charlton midfielder Dale Stephens.
More Transfer Gossip: Albion make offer for Charlton midfielder Dale Stephens. dave from bexill

4:12pm Tue 28 Jan 14

Conelli98 says...

Not saying I want it but Zamora will be back in a Brighton shirt by Friday!!!
and yes Ive had a bet!
Not saying I want it but Zamora will be back in a Brighton shirt by Friday!!! and yes Ive had a bet! Conelli98

5:18pm Tue 28 Jan 14

twonk says...

Ah! Now it's thickened plot.
Ah! Now it's thickened plot. twonk

5:23pm Tue 28 Jan 14

SMF20 says...

Conelli98 wrote:
Not saying I want it but Zamora will be back in a Brighton shirt by Friday!!!
and yes Ive had a bet!
Is the source from the one that told you about OG or the one that talked about a Man City superstar on loan?
[quote][p][bold]Conelli98[/bold] wrote: Not saying I want it but Zamora will be back in a Brighton shirt by Friday!!! and yes Ive had a bet![/p][/quote]Is the source from the one that told you about OG or the one that talked about a Man City superstar on loan? SMF20

6:15pm Tue 28 Jan 14

daughter-of-manag says...

Chi Gull wrote:
I am with MBTS. CW is a player with huge potential and has a very good scoring record in the Championship. I expect being on his 4th manager in less than 3 seasons hasn't helped at Sunderland. I would take him if the overall deal felt right.

As for Bridcutt - he hasn't refused to play. he has told OG that his mind might not be 100% right (understandably) and OG hasn't picked him. I am sure if we were desperate he would pick him. It happens all the time with players during the transfer windows.
Agree with MBTS - and enjoy his posts, although I don't necessarily agree with his opinions - why does he seem to get flamed all the time for expressing them? Ridiculous. Regarding LB - any player that is on the payroll, has requested a transfer, and then states that he isn't 'in the right frame of mind' to play, is a disgrace. No honour or professionalism at all. If Buckley goes, at least he hasn't thrown his dummy out of the pram.
[quote][p][bold]Chi Gull[/bold] wrote: I am with MBTS. CW is a player with huge potential and has a very good scoring record in the Championship. I expect being on his 4th manager in less than 3 seasons hasn't helped at Sunderland. I would take him if the overall deal felt right. As for Bridcutt - he hasn't refused to play. he has told OG that his mind might not be 100% right (understandably) and OG hasn't picked him. I am sure if we were desperate he would pick him. It happens all the time with players during the transfer windows.[/p][/quote]Agree with MBTS - and enjoy his posts, although I don't necessarily agree with his opinions - why does he seem to get flamed all the time for expressing them? Ridiculous. Regarding LB - any player that is on the payroll, has requested a transfer, and then states that he isn't 'in the right frame of mind' to play, is a disgrace. No honour or professionalism at all. If Buckley goes, at least he hasn't thrown his dummy out of the pram. daughter-of-manag

7:20pm Tue 28 Jan 14

Seagull John says...

Tonyuk175 wrote:
Why not staight swap for cattermole and wickham???
Because the words to describe Cattermole can't go on a family newspaper website!
[quote][p][bold]Tonyuk175[/bold] wrote: Why not staight swap for cattermole and wickham???[/p][/quote]Because the words to describe Cattermole can't go on a family newspaper website! Seagull John

7:51pm Tue 28 Jan 14

Conelli98 says...

SMF20 wrote:
Conelli98 wrote:
Not saying I want it but Zamora will be back in a Brighton shirt by Friday!!!
and yes Ive had a bet!
Is the source from the one that told you about OG or the one that talked about a Man City superstar on loan?
Same person so I guess thats 50/50!
[quote][p][bold]SMF20[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Conelli98[/bold] wrote: Not saying I want it but Zamora will be back in a Brighton shirt by Friday!!! and yes Ive had a bet![/p][/quote]Is the source from the one that told you about OG or the one that talked about a Man City superstar on loan?[/p][/quote]Same person so I guess thats 50/50! Conelli98

9:53pm Tue 28 Jan 14

seagull176 says...

Sorry am i missing the point?????????????

has a swap , deal, offer, actually been made?
Sorry am i missing the point????????????? has a swap , deal, offer, actually been made? seagull176

2:25am Wed 29 Jan 14

mark by the sea says...

mark by the sea wrote:
I suggested this deal three weeks ago ! Lad is class striker 100 appearances at premier or championship level and 20 years old
Good point !
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: I suggested this deal three weeks ago ! Lad is class striker 100 appearances at premier or championship level and 20 years old[/p][/quote]Good point ! mark by the sea

8:29am Mon 3 Feb 14

Kenny_powers says...

Think people are being harsh on Bridcutt - am sure it's also a case of the club not wanting to play him in case he gets injured.
Think people are being harsh on Bridcutt - am sure it's also a case of the club not wanting to play him in case he gets injured. Kenny_powers

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