Kuszczak shines in Albion stalemate

The Argus: Leo ulloa catches up with Ashley Barnes after the draw (photo Simon Dack) Leo ulloa catches up with Ashley Barnes after the draw (photo Simon Dack)

Albion ground out an impressive point at high-flying Burnley as both goalkeepers shone.

Tomasz Kuszczak ensured the Seagulls returned home with the 0-0 draw they deserved by making two terrific second-half stops.

He parried Sam Vokes’ close-range header and then turned a miscued Leo Ulloa clearance against the post.

But Tom Heaton also had his moments and he stood big and strong to deny sub Andrea Orlandi a late winner.

Both teams had one major let-off in the first half. Michael Kightly shot low against the near post after working a short corner routine with Danny Ings.

And Kazenga LuaLua burst through after latching on to a weak clearance, only to shoot straight at Heaton.

But Albion will be delighted with their point and their defensive display.

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9:56pm Tue 28 Jan 14

albionbloke says...

Good point....I'll take that. As for Kuz.......SIGN HIM UP!!
Good point....I'll take that. As for Kuz.......SIGN HIM UP!! albionbloke

10:00pm Tue 28 Jan 14

SMF20 says...

Defensively we are sound... I don't think this has ever been contested.

We really must be more positive if we want to push on any further this season though.
We are in danger of being left behind and what frustrates me if I'm honest is that I believe we have the players to do better.

We have taken 1 point from Derby and Burnley when all 6 were there for the taking.
I know some will say that they are 3rd and 4th respectively so what do you expect but I think we are better than both when we take the shackles off.

We can't continue to rely on Kaz for any threat going forward and we can't continue to leave Leo so very isolated... He will get fed up eventually.

I'll take the thumbs down from you fellows but truth for me is that we are better than we are being allowed to show.

I remember someone quoting how we would attack teams and hurt them as best we can... I think this has fallen by the wayside.

Uta
Defensively we are sound... I don't think this has ever been contested. We really must be more positive if we want to push on any further this season though. We are in danger of being left behind and what frustrates me if I'm honest is that I believe we have the players to do better. We have taken 1 point from Derby and Burnley when all 6 were there for the taking. I know some will say that they are 3rd and 4th respectively so what do you expect but I think we are better than both when we take the shackles off. We can't continue to rely on Kaz for any threat going forward and we can't continue to leave Leo so very isolated... He will get fed up eventually. I'll take the thumbs down from you fellows but truth for me is that we are better than we are being allowed to show. I remember someone quoting how we would attack teams and hurt them as best we can... I think this has fallen by the wayside. Uta SMF20

10:04pm Tue 28 Jan 14

bruce beckett says...

Concur. Excellent point under the circumstances but we desperately need to add some attacking flair to the squad.

I just hope that we don't panic buy. We need players who are going to be able to contribute over the long haul and not just help us squeeze into the last play-off place this year.

Think this will turn into a season of consolidation for OG and that even better times lie ahead when we can compete with the so-called Championship big boys in terms of wages.
Concur. Excellent point under the circumstances but we desperately need to add some attacking flair to the squad. I just hope that we don't panic buy. We need players who are going to be able to contribute over the long haul and not just help us squeeze into the last play-off place this year. Think this will turn into a season of consolidation for OG and that even better times lie ahead when we can compete with the so-called Championship big boys in terms of wages. bruce beckett

10:05pm Tue 28 Jan 14

Albion In Staffs says...

SMF20 wrote:
Defensively we are sound... I don't think this has ever been contested.

We really must be more positive if we want to push on any further this season though.
We are in danger of being left behind and what frustrates me if I'm honest is that I believe we have the players to do better.

We have taken 1 point from Derby and Burnley when all 6 were there for the taking.
I know some will say that they are 3rd and 4th respectively so what do you expect but I think we are better than both when we take the shackles off.

We can't continue to rely on Kaz for any threat going forward and we can't continue to leave Leo so very isolated... He will get fed up eventually.

I'll take the thumbs down from you fellows but truth for me is that we are better than we are being allowed to show.

I remember someone quoting how we would attack teams and hurt them as best we can... I think this has fallen by the wayside.

Uta
Fair points made, but I err on the side of this bring a damned good draw. It's also my view that we're not quite as good as you think we are and we can't expect to steamroller everyone in our tracks.
[quote][p][bold]SMF20[/bold] wrote: Defensively we are sound... I don't think this has ever been contested. We really must be more positive if we want to push on any further this season though. We are in danger of being left behind and what frustrates me if I'm honest is that I believe we have the players to do better. We have taken 1 point from Derby and Burnley when all 6 were there for the taking. I know some will say that they are 3rd and 4th respectively so what do you expect but I think we are better than both when we take the shackles off. We can't continue to rely on Kaz for any threat going forward and we can't continue to leave Leo so very isolated... He will get fed up eventually. I'll take the thumbs down from you fellows but truth for me is that we are better than we are being allowed to show. I remember someone quoting how we would attack teams and hurt them as best we can... I think this has fallen by the wayside. Uta[/p][/quote]Fair points made, but I err on the side of this bring a damned good draw. It's also my view that we're not quite as good as you think we are and we can't expect to steamroller everyone in our tracks. Albion In Staffs

10:06pm Tue 28 Jan 14

Albion In Staffs says...

Interesting to note that Dale Stephens was in a suitable frame of mind to play for Charlton tonight.
Interesting to note that Dale Stephens was in a suitable frame of mind to play for Charlton tonight. Albion In Staffs

10:11pm Tue 28 Jan 14

SMF20 says...

Albion In Staffs wrote:
SMF20 wrote:
Defensively we are sound... I don't think this has ever been contested.

We really must be more positive if we want to push on any further this season though.
We are in danger of being left behind and what frustrates me if I'm honest is that I believe we have the players to do better.

We have taken 1 point from Derby and Burnley when all 6 were there for the taking.
I know some will say that they are 3rd and 4th respectively so what do you expect but I think we are better than both when we take the shackles off.

We can't continue to rely on Kaz for any threat going forward and we can't continue to leave Leo so very isolated... He will get fed up eventually.

I'll take the thumbs down from you fellows but truth for me is that we are better than we are being allowed to show.

I remember someone quoting how we would attack teams and hurt them as best we can... I think this has fallen by the wayside.

Uta
Fair points made, but I err on the side of this bring a damned good draw. It's also my view that we're not quite as good as you think we are and we can't expect to steamroller everyone in our tracks.
You may be right my friend by ask you a question.

How do we know I'm wrong when we never go for the throat?
[quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SMF20[/bold] wrote: Defensively we are sound... I don't think this has ever been contested. We really must be more positive if we want to push on any further this season though. We are in danger of being left behind and what frustrates me if I'm honest is that I believe we have the players to do better. We have taken 1 point from Derby and Burnley when all 6 were there for the taking. I know some will say that they are 3rd and 4th respectively so what do you expect but I think we are better than both when we take the shackles off. We can't continue to rely on Kaz for any threat going forward and we can't continue to leave Leo so very isolated... He will get fed up eventually. I'll take the thumbs down from you fellows but truth for me is that we are better than we are being allowed to show. I remember someone quoting how we would attack teams and hurt them as best we can... I think this has fallen by the wayside. Uta[/p][/quote]Fair points made, but I err on the side of this bring a damned good draw. It's also my view that we're not quite as good as you think we are and we can't expect to steamroller everyone in our tracks.[/p][/quote]You may be right my friend by ask you a question. How do we know I'm wrong when we never go for the throat? SMF20

10:11pm Tue 28 Jan 14

Tommy11 says...

SMF20 wrote:
Defensively we are sound... I don't think this has ever been contested.

We really must be more positive if we want to push on any further this season though.
We are in danger of being left behind and what frustrates me if I'm honest is that I believe we have the players to do better.

We have taken 1 point from Derby and Burnley when all 6 were there for the taking.
I know some will say that they are 3rd and 4th respectively so what do you expect but I think we are better than both when we take the shackles off.

We can't continue to rely on Kaz for any threat going forward and we can't continue to leave Leo so very isolated... He will get fed up eventually.

I'll take the thumbs down from you fellows but truth for me is that we are better than we are being allowed to show.

I remember someone quoting how we would attack teams and hurt them as best we can... I think this has fallen by the wayside.

Uta
Great Comment. Before we even kicked a ball I knew we were going for a 0-0. OG is so dull its unbelievable!

I know people say that this is a good result - but if we want to go up - WE MUST start to win these sort of games. 0-0 at QPR, Reading, Burnley, Its what were going for at Derby - I wonder what we will go for against Leicester?????? yep, a 0-0.

People say this is good management. Not in my book. Its dull and shows a lack of balls. We will never go up until we start to show a bit of 'dare' and go for these games.

I too believe we have the players to do better. Kemy must be doing his nut watching JFC take his place every week! can someone please explain this decision to me? also as mentioned by SMF20, Ulloa must be super hacked off right now. Where is his service? we can't rely on the ultra weed (lopez) to sort that out. Kaz is the only lively player we have.

OG - please stop the ZZZZZZZZZZZ tactics!!!!
[quote][p][bold]SMF20[/bold] wrote: Defensively we are sound... I don't think this has ever been contested. We really must be more positive if we want to push on any further this season though. We are in danger of being left behind and what frustrates me if I'm honest is that I believe we have the players to do better. We have taken 1 point from Derby and Burnley when all 6 were there for the taking. I know some will say that they are 3rd and 4th respectively so what do you expect but I think we are better than both when we take the shackles off. We can't continue to rely on Kaz for any threat going forward and we can't continue to leave Leo so very isolated... He will get fed up eventually. I'll take the thumbs down from you fellows but truth for me is that we are better than we are being allowed to show. I remember someone quoting how we would attack teams and hurt them as best we can... I think this has fallen by the wayside. Uta[/p][/quote]Great Comment. Before we even kicked a ball I knew we were going for a 0-0. OG is so dull its unbelievable! I know people say that this is a good result - but if we want to go up - WE MUST start to win these sort of games. 0-0 at QPR, Reading, Burnley, Its what were going for at Derby - I wonder what we will go for against Leicester?????? yep, a 0-0. People say this is good management. Not in my book. Its dull and shows a lack of balls. We will never go up until we start to show a bit of 'dare' and go for these games. I too believe we have the players to do better. Kemy must be doing his nut watching JFC take his place every week! can someone please explain this decision to me? also as mentioned by SMF20, Ulloa must be super hacked off right now. Where is his service? we can't rely on the ultra weed (lopez) to sort that out. Kaz is the only lively player we have. OG - please stop the ZZZZZZZZZZZ tactics!!!! Tommy11

10:12pm Tue 28 Jan 14

Neville says...

Bruce
Financially our budget is mid table and with FFP dominating things,well with Albion certainly we won,t be in a position to compete with ex premiership sides and their parachute payments. Hence the academy and the need to produce talent from within.
Bruce Financially our budget is mid table and with FFP dominating things,well with Albion certainly we won,t be in a position to compete with ex premiership sides and their parachute payments. Hence the academy and the need to produce talent from within. Neville

10:14pm Tue 28 Jan 14

Clean Sheet says...

A great point. We have taken 4 pts off Burnley, well done Seagulls.
A great point. We have taken 4 pts off Burnley, well done Seagulls. Clean Sheet

10:20pm Tue 28 Jan 14

Far gull says...

SMF20 wrote:
Defensively we are sound... I don't think this has ever been contested.

We really must be more positive if we want to push on any further this season though.
We are in danger of being left behind and what frustrates me if I'm honest is that I believe we have the players to do better.

We have taken 1 point from Derby and Burnley when all 6 were there for the taking.
I know some will say that they are 3rd and 4th respectively so what do you expect but I think we are better than both when we take the shackles off.

We can't continue to rely on Kaz for any threat going forward and we can't continue to leave Leo so very isolated... He will get fed up eventually.

I'll take the thumbs down from you fellows but truth for me is that we are better than we are being allowed to show.

I remember someone quoting how we would attack teams and hurt them as best we can... I think this has fallen by the wayside.

Uta
Yep. Similar thoughts. Happy we got a point but to stand any chance now of play offs we have to only play one defensive midfielder for a few games. If we lose ...so what ... We will not go down and might as well finish 18 th or 8 th really no difference this season as everyone keeps saying...we are building for next year.... Same old,same old. Fact is we are 8th and with defense we have should be going for it otherwise we will be ...rebuilding that defense next season in readyness for the following .
We didn't score enough last year given the chances we had and were the best team but for Cardiff maybe and our league position did not do us justice. This year OG has done well given resources and injuries but ,Leicester game apart at home we have been very average or worse. Away we have parked the bus excellently but I think our league position flatters us .
All that said we should take now a few chances especially at home ,if today's first eleven can't then give the cup team ago. As we need to attack.
[quote][p][bold]SMF20[/bold] wrote: Defensively we are sound... I don't think this has ever been contested. We really must be more positive if we want to push on any further this season though. We are in danger of being left behind and what frustrates me if I'm honest is that I believe we have the players to do better. We have taken 1 point from Derby and Burnley when all 6 were there for the taking. I know some will say that they are 3rd and 4th respectively so what do you expect but I think we are better than both when we take the shackles off. We can't continue to rely on Kaz for any threat going forward and we can't continue to leave Leo so very isolated... He will get fed up eventually. I'll take the thumbs down from you fellows but truth for me is that we are better than we are being allowed to show. I remember someone quoting how we would attack teams and hurt them as best we can... I think this has fallen by the wayside. Uta[/p][/quote]Yep. Similar thoughts. Happy we got a point but to stand any chance now of play offs we have to only play one defensive midfielder for a few games. If we lose ...so what ... We will not go down and might as well finish 18 th or 8 th really no difference this season as everyone keeps saying...we are building for next year.... Same old,same old. Fact is we are 8th and with defense we have should be going for it otherwise we will be ...rebuilding that defense next season in readyness for the following . We didn't score enough last year given the chances we had and were the best team but for Cardiff maybe and our league position did not do us justice. This year OG has done well given resources and injuries but ,Leicester game apart at home we have been very average or worse. Away we have parked the bus excellently but I think our league position flatters us . All that said we should take now a few chances especially at home ,if today's first eleven can't then give the cup team ago. As we need to attack. Far gull

10:29pm Tue 28 Jan 14

To baldly go says...

A good point away to the 3rd placed team is ok, but that's 10 draws this season! Leicester have won 9 games away from home, how? by going for it and playing to their strengths and not allowing the home team to dominate, ok, we showed them how we can play when we stuffed them at ours, but with a bit more positivity in our approach away from home, 5 wins and 5 losses would have got more points than the 10 draws and we would be in a far stronger place.
Watford are struggling under new manager at the moment so come Sunday let's go for it and get 3 points please, not another bore draw. UTA
A good point away to the 3rd placed team is ok, but that's 10 draws this season! Leicester have won 9 games away from home, how? by going for it and playing to their strengths and not allowing the home team to dominate, ok, we showed them how we can play when we stuffed them at ours, but with a bit more positivity in our approach away from home, 5 wins and 5 losses would have got more points than the 10 draws and we would be in a far stronger place. Watford are struggling under new manager at the moment so come Sunday let's go for it and get 3 points please, not another bore draw. UTA To baldly go

10:33pm Tue 28 Jan 14

Albion In Staffs says...

SMF20 wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
SMF20 wrote:
Defensively we are sound... I don't think this has ever been contested.

We really must be more positive if we want to push on any further this season though.
We are in danger of being left behind and what frustrates me if I'm honest is that I believe we have the players to do better.

We have taken 1 point from Derby and Burnley when all 6 were there for the taking.
I know some will say that they are 3rd and 4th respectively so what do you expect but I think we are better than both when we take the shackles off.

We can't continue to rely on Kaz for any threat going forward and we can't continue to leave Leo so very isolated... He will get fed up eventually.

I'll take the thumbs down from you fellows but truth for me is that we are better than we are being allowed to show.

I remember someone quoting how we would attack teams and hurt them as best we can... I think this has fallen by the wayside.

Uta
Fair points made, but I err on the side of this bring a damned good draw. It's also my view that we're not quite as good as you think we are and we can't expect to steamroller everyone in our tracks.
You may be right my friend by ask you a question.

How do we know I'm wrong when we never go for the throat?
If we had a stronger squad, I'd agree wholeheartedly and I really don't think it's a case of being right or wrong, it's just that we have a coach who's intent on maximising what he currently has available. And it's my view we're not good enough to play the way you suggest. (And therefore not good enough for promotion at this moment) so a point at Burnley is a result to be pleased with - under the current circumstances.
[quote][p][bold]SMF20[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SMF20[/bold] wrote: Defensively we are sound... I don't think this has ever been contested. We really must be more positive if we want to push on any further this season though. We are in danger of being left behind and what frustrates me if I'm honest is that I believe we have the players to do better. We have taken 1 point from Derby and Burnley when all 6 were there for the taking. I know some will say that they are 3rd and 4th respectively so what do you expect but I think we are better than both when we take the shackles off. We can't continue to rely on Kaz for any threat going forward and we can't continue to leave Leo so very isolated... He will get fed up eventually. I'll take the thumbs down from you fellows but truth for me is that we are better than we are being allowed to show. I remember someone quoting how we would attack teams and hurt them as best we can... I think this has fallen by the wayside. Uta[/p][/quote]Fair points made, but I err on the side of this bring a damned good draw. It's also my view that we're not quite as good as you think we are and we can't expect to steamroller everyone in our tracks.[/p][/quote]You may be right my friend by ask you a question. How do we know I'm wrong when we never go for the throat?[/p][/quote]If we had a stronger squad, I'd agree wholeheartedly and I really don't think it's a case of being right or wrong, it's just that we have a coach who's intent on maximising what he currently has available. And it's my view we're not good enough to play the way you suggest. (And therefore not good enough for promotion at this moment) so a point at Burnley is a result to be pleased with - under the current circumstances. Albion In Staffs

10:36pm Tue 28 Jan 14

SMF20 says...

Albion In Staffs wrote:
SMF20 wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
SMF20 wrote:
Defensively we are sound... I don't think this has ever been contested.

We really must be more positive if we want to push on any further this season though.
We are in danger of being left behind and what frustrates me if I'm honest is that I believe we have the players to do better.

We have taken 1 point from Derby and Burnley when all 6 were there for the taking.
I know some will say that they are 3rd and 4th respectively so what do you expect but I think we are better than both when we take the shackles off.

We can't continue to rely on Kaz for any threat going forward and we can't continue to leave Leo so very isolated... He will get fed up eventually.

I'll take the thumbs down from you fellows but truth for me is that we are better than we are being allowed to show.

I remember someone quoting how we would attack teams and hurt them as best we can... I think this has fallen by the wayside.

Uta
Fair points made, but I err on the side of this bring a damned good draw. It's also my view that we're not quite as good as you think we are and we can't expect to steamroller everyone in our tracks.
You may be right my friend by ask you a question.

How do we know I'm wrong when we never go for the throat?
If we had a stronger squad, I'd agree wholeheartedly and I really don't think it's a case of being right or wrong, it's just that we have a coach who's intent on maximising what he currently has available. And it's my view we're not good enough to play the way you suggest. (And therefore not good enough for promotion at this moment) so a point at Burnley is a result to be pleased with - under the current circumstances.
Each to their own I guess.

Nice to have some thought out respectful debate.

Uta
[quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SMF20[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SMF20[/bold] wrote: Defensively we are sound... I don't think this has ever been contested. We really must be more positive if we want to push on any further this season though. We are in danger of being left behind and what frustrates me if I'm honest is that I believe we have the players to do better. We have taken 1 point from Derby and Burnley when all 6 were there for the taking. I know some will say that they are 3rd and 4th respectively so what do you expect but I think we are better than both when we take the shackles off. We can't continue to rely on Kaz for any threat going forward and we can't continue to leave Leo so very isolated... He will get fed up eventually. I'll take the thumbs down from you fellows but truth for me is that we are better than we are being allowed to show. I remember someone quoting how we would attack teams and hurt them as best we can... I think this has fallen by the wayside. Uta[/p][/quote]Fair points made, but I err on the side of this bring a damned good draw. It's also my view that we're not quite as good as you think we are and we can't expect to steamroller everyone in our tracks.[/p][/quote]You may be right my friend by ask you a question. How do we know I'm wrong when we never go for the throat?[/p][/quote]If we had a stronger squad, I'd agree wholeheartedly and I really don't think it's a case of being right or wrong, it's just that we have a coach who's intent on maximising what he currently has available. And it's my view we're not good enough to play the way you suggest. (And therefore not good enough for promotion at this moment) so a point at Burnley is a result to be pleased with - under the current circumstances.[/p][/quote]Each to their own I guess. Nice to have some thought out respectful debate. Uta SMF20

10:36pm Tue 28 Jan 14

albion64 says...

SMF20 wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
SMF20 wrote:
Defensively we are sound... I don't think this has ever been contested.

We really must be more positive if we want to push on any further this season though.
We are in danger of being left behind and what frustrates me if I'm honest is that I believe we have the players to do better.

We have taken 1 point from Derby and Burnley when all 6 were there for the taking.
I know some will say that they are 3rd and 4th respectively so what do you expect but I think we are better than both when we take the shackles off.

We can't continue to rely on Kaz for any threat going forward and we can't continue to leave Leo so very isolated... He will get fed up eventually.

I'll take the thumbs down from you fellows but truth for me is that we are better than we are being allowed to show.

I remember someone quoting how we would attack teams and hurt them as best we can... I think this has fallen by the wayside.

Uta
Fair points made, but I err on the side of this bring a damned good draw. It's also my view that we're not quite as good as you think we are and we can't expect to steamroller everyone in our tracks.
You may be right my friend by ask you a question.

How do we know I'm wrong when we never go for the throat?
Here here, the most realistic comment to date. It is easier to run with the hype and think we should automatically be in the promotion positions.

In reality we have struggled against the bottom teams and wasted points. David Lopez was probably right when he said no team has outplayed us this season. Keep ball is great but the round thing in the back of the net a couple of times per game would be nicer. Look at the goals for and against compared to some bottom and top teams. One striker please Tony. UTA
[quote][p][bold]SMF20[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SMF20[/bold] wrote: Defensively we are sound... I don't think this has ever been contested. We really must be more positive if we want to push on any further this season though. We are in danger of being left behind and what frustrates me if I'm honest is that I believe we have the players to do better. We have taken 1 point from Derby and Burnley when all 6 were there for the taking. I know some will say that they are 3rd and 4th respectively so what do you expect but I think we are better than both when we take the shackles off. We can't continue to rely on Kaz for any threat going forward and we can't continue to leave Leo so very isolated... He will get fed up eventually. I'll take the thumbs down from you fellows but truth for me is that we are better than we are being allowed to show. I remember someone quoting how we would attack teams and hurt them as best we can... I think this has fallen by the wayside. Uta[/p][/quote]Fair points made, but I err on the side of this bring a damned good draw. It's also my view that we're not quite as good as you think we are and we can't expect to steamroller everyone in our tracks.[/p][/quote]You may be right my friend by ask you a question. How do we know I'm wrong when we never go for the throat?[/p][/quote]Here here, the most realistic comment to date. It is easier to run with the hype and think we should automatically be in the promotion positions. In reality we have struggled against the bottom teams and wasted points. David Lopez was probably right when he said no team has outplayed us this season. Keep ball is great but the round thing in the back of the net a couple of times per game would be nicer. Look at the goals for and against compared to some bottom and top teams. One striker please Tony. UTA albion64

10:39pm Tue 28 Jan 14

Albion In Staffs says...

SMF20 wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
SMF20 wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
SMF20 wrote:
Defensively we are sound... I don't think this has ever been contested.

We really must be more positive if we want to push on any further this season though.
We are in danger of being left behind and what frustrates me if I'm honest is that I believe we have the players to do better.

We have taken 1 point from Derby and Burnley when all 6 were there for the taking.
I know some will say that they are 3rd and 4th respectively so what do you expect but I think we are better than both when we take the shackles off.

We can't continue to rely on Kaz for any threat going forward and we can't continue to leave Leo so very isolated... He will get fed up eventually.

I'll take the thumbs down from you fellows but truth for me is that we are better than we are being allowed to show.

I remember someone quoting how we would attack teams and hurt them as best we can... I think this has fallen by the wayside.

Uta
Fair points made, but I err on the side of this bring a damned good draw. It's also my view that we're not quite as good as you think we are and we can't expect to steamroller everyone in our tracks.
You may be right my friend by ask you a question.

How do we know I'm wrong when we never go for the throat?
If we had a stronger squad, I'd agree wholeheartedly and I really don't think it's a case of being right or wrong, it's just that we have a coach who's intent on maximising what he currently has available. And it's my view we're not good enough to play the way you suggest. (And therefore not good enough for promotion at this moment) so a point at Burnley is a result to be pleased with - under the current circumstances.
Each to their own I guess.

Nice to have some thought out respectful debate.

Uta
Ditto
[quote][p][bold]SMF20[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SMF20[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SMF20[/bold] wrote: Defensively we are sound... I don't think this has ever been contested. We really must be more positive if we want to push on any further this season though. We are in danger of being left behind and what frustrates me if I'm honest is that I believe we have the players to do better. We have taken 1 point from Derby and Burnley when all 6 were there for the taking. I know some will say that they are 3rd and 4th respectively so what do you expect but I think we are better than both when we take the shackles off. We can't continue to rely on Kaz for any threat going forward and we can't continue to leave Leo so very isolated... He will get fed up eventually. I'll take the thumbs down from you fellows but truth for me is that we are better than we are being allowed to show. I remember someone quoting how we would attack teams and hurt them as best we can... I think this has fallen by the wayside. Uta[/p][/quote]Fair points made, but I err on the side of this bring a damned good draw. It's also my view that we're not quite as good as you think we are and we can't expect to steamroller everyone in our tracks.[/p][/quote]You may be right my friend by ask you a question. How do we know I'm wrong when we never go for the throat?[/p][/quote]If we had a stronger squad, I'd agree wholeheartedly and I really don't think it's a case of being right or wrong, it's just that we have a coach who's intent on maximising what he currently has available. And it's my view we're not good enough to play the way you suggest. (And therefore not good enough for promotion at this moment) so a point at Burnley is a result to be pleased with - under the current circumstances.[/p][/quote]Each to their own I guess. Nice to have some thought out respectful debate. Uta[/p][/quote]Ditto Albion In Staffs

10:49pm Tue 28 Jan 14

Dolph Ins says...

This was a great point against a team that has not lost at home this season. The bad points were Yeovil, Bournemouth etc. If (and it's a big if) we are going to play 2 up front then it must be against teams in the bottom third, not the third placed team who have not lost at home. Agree this may be a consolidation season but I am really enjoying the footie at The Amex so I am very happy with the season. I don't mind waiting another season or 2 for the prem but I would like a day out at Wembley in the playoffs.
This was a great point against a team that has not lost at home this season. The bad points were Yeovil, Bournemouth etc. If (and it's a big if) we are going to play 2 up front then it must be against teams in the bottom third, not the third placed team who have not lost at home. Agree this may be a consolidation season but I am really enjoying the footie at The Amex so I am very happy with the season. I don't mind waiting another season or 2 for the prem but I would like a day out at Wembley in the playoffs. Dolph Ins

10:51pm Tue 28 Jan 14

Major Bloodboil says...

A very good result tonight - well done the lads!
It's quite simple really - if we want to remain hard to beat then we will continue to play the current style and have results like this one or win 1-0 (or lose the odd game by a goal but rarely suffer a greater reverse). If we want to play with a greater number of attacking players then we will let in more goals and lose more but also win more. Oscar obviously prefers the former.
A very good result tonight - well done the lads! It's quite simple really - if we want to remain hard to beat then we will continue to play the current style and have results like this one or win 1-0 (or lose the odd game by a goal but rarely suffer a greater reverse). If we want to play with a greater number of attacking players then we will let in more goals and lose more but also win more. Oscar obviously prefers the former. Major Bloodboil

11:00pm Tue 28 Jan 14

wrighty2908 says...

Albion In Staffs wrote:
Interesting to note that Dale Stephens was in a suitable frame of mind to play for Charlton tonight.
I expect Bridcutt is in the right frame of mind to pick his wages up, the sooner he goes the better I only want players who give 100% when putting on the blue and white stripes, I dont know of anyone who would go to work and tell their boss im not in the right frame of mind to work but hey you can still pay me. Its a joke the club should fine him.
[quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: Interesting to note that Dale Stephens was in a suitable frame of mind to play for Charlton tonight.[/p][/quote]I expect Bridcutt is in the right frame of mind to pick his wages up, the sooner he goes the better I only want players who give 100% when putting on the blue and white stripes, I dont know of anyone who would go to work and tell their boss im not in the right frame of mind to work but hey you can still pay me. Its a joke the club should fine him. wrighty2908

11:11pm Tue 28 Jan 14

jcd1972 says...

Far gull wrote:
SMF20 wrote:
Defensively we are sound... I don't think this has ever been contested.

We really must be more positive if we want to push on any further this season though.
We are in danger of being left behind and what frustrates me if I'm honest is that I believe we have the players to do better.

We have taken 1 point from Derby and Burnley when all 6 were there for the taking.
I know some will say that they are 3rd and 4th respectively so what do you expect but I think we are better than both when we take the shackles off.

We can't continue to rely on Kaz for any threat going forward and we can't continue to leave Leo so very isolated... He will get fed up eventually.

I'll take the thumbs down from you fellows but truth for me is that we are better than we are being allowed to show.

I remember someone quoting how we would attack teams and hurt them as best we can... I think this has fallen by the wayside.

Uta
Yep. Similar thoughts. Happy we got a point but to stand any chance now of play offs we have to only play one defensive midfielder for a few games. If we lose ...so what ... We will not go down and might as well finish 18 th or 8 th really no difference this season as everyone keeps saying...we are building for next year.... Same old,same old. Fact is we are 8th and with defense we have should be going for it otherwise we will be ...rebuilding that defense next season in readyness for the following .
We didn't score enough last year given the chances we had and were the best team but for Cardiff maybe and our league position did not do us justice. This year OG has done well given resources and injuries but ,Leicester game apart at home we have been very average or worse. Away we have parked the bus excellently but I think our league position flatters us .
All that said we should take now a few chances especially at home ,if today's first eleven can't then give the cup team ago. As we need to attack.
Personally I think it's easy to see last season through rose tinted glasses. Up to Christmas we struggled vs top 6 teams - I don't believe there was 1 win against them during that period. People were despairing when Watford outclassed us at home and moaned overall that there were too many draws. Obviously we did get on a roll late on. Did GP go for it? Highly debatable.

The injuries this season have clearly hampered us and I feel it's a lot to do with form as opposed to the manager not using the right tactics. Imagine last season if the same injuries had been affecting the squad. This season we've had no CMS at all and Ulloa's mojo has been affected by his injury as appears to be the case with a few players. It sounded like there were a couple of good chances tonight that weren't taken.

I have no problems with 2 defensively minded midfielders away vs top teams. We've done ok away from home. The run of home games coming up will be critical and hopefully Ulloa and others will find some form.
[quote][p][bold]Far gull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SMF20[/bold] wrote: Defensively we are sound... I don't think this has ever been contested. We really must be more positive if we want to push on any further this season though. We are in danger of being left behind and what frustrates me if I'm honest is that I believe we have the players to do better. We have taken 1 point from Derby and Burnley when all 6 were there for the taking. I know some will say that they are 3rd and 4th respectively so what do you expect but I think we are better than both when we take the shackles off. We can't continue to rely on Kaz for any threat going forward and we can't continue to leave Leo so very isolated... He will get fed up eventually. I'll take the thumbs down from you fellows but truth for me is that we are better than we are being allowed to show. I remember someone quoting how we would attack teams and hurt them as best we can... I think this has fallen by the wayside. Uta[/p][/quote]Yep. Similar thoughts. Happy we got a point but to stand any chance now of play offs we have to only play one defensive midfielder for a few games. If we lose ...so what ... We will not go down and might as well finish 18 th or 8 th really no difference this season as everyone keeps saying...we are building for next year.... Same old,same old. Fact is we are 8th and with defense we have should be going for it otherwise we will be ...rebuilding that defense next season in readyness for the following . We didn't score enough last year given the chances we had and were the best team but for Cardiff maybe and our league position did not do us justice. This year OG has done well given resources and injuries but ,Leicester game apart at home we have been very average or worse. Away we have parked the bus excellently but I think our league position flatters us . All that said we should take now a few chances especially at home ,if today's first eleven can't then give the cup team ago. As we need to attack.[/p][/quote]Personally I think it's easy to see last season through rose tinted glasses. Up to Christmas we struggled vs top 6 teams - I don't believe there was 1 win against them during that period. People were despairing when Watford outclassed us at home and moaned overall that there were too many draws. Obviously we did get on a roll late on. Did GP go for it? Highly debatable. The injuries this season have clearly hampered us and I feel it's a lot to do with form as opposed to the manager not using the right tactics. Imagine last season if the same injuries had been affecting the squad. This season we've had no CMS at all and Ulloa's mojo has been affected by his injury as appears to be the case with a few players. It sounded like there were a couple of good chances tonight that weren't taken. I have no problems with 2 defensively minded midfielders away vs top teams. We've done ok away from home. The run of home games coming up will be critical and hopefully Ulloa and others will find some form. jcd1972

11:13pm Tue 28 Jan 14

mikeygit says...

Agree totally Wrighty. Also concerns me that Ulloa continues not to score as he does not seem to be getting the service a good striker should get. I hope this is sorted soon or he will start to get fed up with the situation.
Agree totally Wrighty. Also concerns me that Ulloa continues not to score as he does not seem to be getting the service a good striker should get. I hope this is sorted soon or he will start to get fed up with the situation. mikeygit

12:01am Wed 29 Jan 14

Tonyuk175 says...

Good point tonight have some rest before the weekend and let's cross our fingers and hope that we get a couple of new big players in before the window closes

UTA
Good point tonight have some rest before the weekend and let's cross our fingers and hope that we get a couple of new big players in before the window closes UTA Tonyuk175

12:05am Wed 29 Jan 14

Eddy B says...

Good point indeed.
5 shots on target according to the stats which isn't bad away from home. As always just need some of these to go in the net. Our goal scoring average is only about 1 a game which is a bit disappointing. I know Ulloa has been injured alot of the time but not to have a single player anywhere near double figures yet is very significant.
Good point indeed. 5 shots on target according to the stats which isn't bad away from home. As always just need some of these to go in the net. Our goal scoring average is only about 1 a game which is a bit disappointing. I know Ulloa has been injured alot of the time but not to have a single player anywhere near double figures yet is very significant. Eddy B

12:27am Wed 29 Jan 14

Vince says...

We need another quality striker.

I would love to see us buy (not loan) Connor Wickham, but if it has to be a loan - it must come with the option to buy if the player wants to play for us. if not I would like to see us buy Matty Fryatt.
I note that Eddie Howe (always clever at picking up bargains) tried to buy Yann Kermorgant from Charlton for £250k. I have always been impressed with him, and he has a great shot. Must be worth a £500k bid for a player who could give us those vital extra goals we need..

With regard to our development squad, I have a feeling that, in time, Dickensen might well prove to be a very useful goalscorer - as well as a good link-up player - better than Lopez.
Unfortunately time is not on our side at the moment.
We need another quality striker. I would love to see us buy (not loan) Connor Wickham, but if it has to be a loan - it must come with the option to buy if the player wants to play for us. if not I would like to see us buy Matty Fryatt. I note that Eddie Howe (always clever at picking up bargains) tried to buy Yann Kermorgant from Charlton for £250k. I have always been impressed with him, and he has a great shot. Must be worth a £500k bid for a player who could give us those vital extra goals we need.. With regard to our development squad, I have a feeling that, in time, Dickensen might well prove to be a very useful goalscorer - as well as a good link-up player - better than Lopez. Unfortunately time is not on our side at the moment. Vince

5:24am Wed 29 Jan 14

fatso says...

Just got home from the game due to roadworks on the M6. It is not a question of how many we play up front as for a game like this I think the set-up was right. What annoyed me this evening was when Kuszczak was having to kick it long neither of our wide players were making any attempt to get up with and beyond Ulloa. It meant that if Ulloa won the header but was only able to flick it on Burnley were getting the ball and another attack started.
Just got home from the game due to roadworks on the M6. It is not a question of how many we play up front as for a game like this I think the set-up was right. What annoyed me this evening was when Kuszczak was having to kick it long neither of our wide players were making any attempt to get up with and beyond Ulloa. It meant that if Ulloa won the header but was only able to flick it on Burnley were getting the ball and another attack started. fatso

6:58am Wed 29 Jan 14

oksouthstander says...

Good point tonight for Burnley We gave 2 points away with a combination of great goalkeeping from Tom Heaton and bad finishing.Sooner Conway signs the better.
Sean Dyche Burnley Manager quote:
“We’re just a little frustrated that we didn’t break down that 4-5-1 because that’s what you have to do to win a game.”
The Clarets could even have lost the game at the death as Tom Heaton followed up a terrific first half save from Kazenga LuaLua with an even better save to deny sub Andrea Orlandi.
Good point tonight for Burnley We gave 2 points away with a combination of great goalkeeping from Tom Heaton and bad finishing.Sooner Conway signs the better. Sean Dyche Burnley Manager quote: “We’re just a little frustrated that we didn’t break down that 4-5-1 because that’s what you have to do to win a game.” The Clarets could even have lost the game at the death as Tom Heaton followed up a terrific first half save from Kazenga LuaLua with an even better save to deny sub Andrea Orlandi. oksouthstander

7:31am Wed 29 Jan 14

Far gull says...

fatso wrote:
Just got home from the game due to roadworks on the M6. It is not a question of how many we play up front as for a game like this I think the set-up was right. What annoyed me this evening was when Kuszczak was having to kick it long neither of our wide players were making any attempt to get up with and beyond Ulloa. It meant that if Ulloa won the header but was only able to flick it on Burnley were getting the ball and another attack started.
Great dedication. Respect my friend.
[quote][p][bold]fatso[/bold] wrote: Just got home from the game due to roadworks on the M6. It is not a question of how many we play up front as for a game like this I think the set-up was right. What annoyed me this evening was when Kuszczak was having to kick it long neither of our wide players were making any attempt to get up with and beyond Ulloa. It meant that if Ulloa won the header but was only able to flick it on Burnley were getting the ball and another attack started.[/p][/quote]Great dedication. Respect my friend. Far gull

10:42am Wed 29 Jan 14

wiltshire seagull says...

Far gull wrote:
fatso wrote:
Just got home from the game due to roadworks on the M6. It is not a question of how many we play up front as for a game like this I think the set-up was right. What annoyed me this evening was when Kuszczak was having to kick it long neither of our wide players were making any attempt to get up with and beyond Ulloa. It meant that if Ulloa won the header but was only able to flick it on Burnley were getting the ball and another attack started.
Great dedication. Respect my friend.
Respect indeed to you, Fatso....Unsung away fans such as you are the true heart of BHA supporters. I salute you one and all. (I do get to some away games BTW).
UTA........
[quote][p][bold]Far gull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fatso[/bold] wrote: Just got home from the game due to roadworks on the M6. It is not a question of how many we play up front as for a game like this I think the set-up was right. What annoyed me this evening was when Kuszczak was having to kick it long neither of our wide players were making any attempt to get up with and beyond Ulloa. It meant that if Ulloa won the header but was only able to flick it on Burnley were getting the ball and another attack started.[/p][/quote]Great dedication. Respect my friend.[/p][/quote]Respect indeed to you, Fatso....Unsung away fans such as you are the true heart of BHA supporters. I salute you one and all. (I do get to some away games BTW). UTA........ wiltshire seagull

11:24am Wed 29 Jan 14

the taffster says...

good point at burnley.but I can see us drifting into m id table obscurity......shame
good point at burnley.but I can see us drifting into m id table obscurity......shame the taffster

2:34pm Wed 29 Jan 14

GosportGull says...

I wonder what Vicente is doing now. I miss his midfield creativity and how we could do with it now. Pay as you play contract until end of the season with the Spainish play master with a manager he likes unilke the last one , might create some more attacking chances.. Has to be better than Lopez , he is not having the best season and im surprised OG still goes with him every week...

We need to play two upfront at home , and drop the defensive midfielder , our defence is strong , i dont see why we need another defensive midfielder being the 5th defender ! We have an excellent goalkeeper and a good back four , i would like to see an attacking midfield four and two up front ... Oscar will probably disagree this is just my own opinion...

Zamora can go ! Says Harry ... ok lets go and get him ! UTA !
I wonder what Vicente is doing now. I miss his midfield creativity and how we could do with it now. Pay as you play contract until end of the season with the Spainish play master with a manager he likes unilke the last one , might create some more attacking chances.. Has to be better than Lopez , he is not having the best season and im surprised OG still goes with him every week... We need to play two upfront at home , and drop the defensive midfielder , our defence is strong , i dont see why we need another defensive midfielder being the 5th defender ! We have an excellent goalkeeper and a good back four , i would like to see an attacking midfield four and two up front ... Oscar will probably disagree this is just my own opinion... Zamora can go ! Says Harry ... ok lets go and get him ! UTA ! GosportGull

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