Albion talking point: What is your reaction to their £14.7m loss?

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It was the result Albion didn’t want – so what do you make of their £14.7million financial loss for last season?

Does the figure announced today come as a shock to you?

Are you worried? Or does Paul Barber’s assurance that the club are still on course to cut losses to £8million this term reassure you?

And does this alter your view of Albion’s transfer activity last month?

We’d love to know what you think...

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5:44pm Wed 5 Feb 14

Yorkieseagull says...

It's a surprise to me, though I would shudder to think how much higher the losses would be for some of the more reckless teams in the championship. The reluctance to spend big this season now becomes more clear and it shows just how disciplined (and lucky) our management and boardroom team need to be over the next couple of months. A good run in the FA Cup would be handy, getting players out of the treatment room and back justifying the high wages would be good, and fans turning up to appreciate entertaining football would also help. I'm not suggesting a whip round, but Tony needs some positive support from all concerned.
It's a surprise to me, though I would shudder to think how much higher the losses would be for some of the more reckless teams in the championship. The reluctance to spend big this season now becomes more clear and it shows just how disciplined (and lucky) our management and boardroom team need to be over the next couple of months. A good run in the FA Cup would be handy, getting players out of the treatment room and back justifying the high wages would be good, and fans turning up to appreciate entertaining football would also help. I'm not suggesting a whip round, but Tony needs some positive support from all concerned. Yorkieseagull

5:49pm Wed 5 Feb 14

Aye Aye says...

Yorkieseagull wrote:
It's a surprise to me, though I would shudder to think how much higher the losses would be for some of the more reckless teams in the championship. The reluctance to spend big this season now becomes more clear and it shows just how disciplined (and lucky) our management and boardroom team need to be over the next couple of months. A good run in the FA Cup would be handy, getting players out of the treatment room and back justifying the high wages would be good, and fans turning up to appreciate entertaining football would also help. I'm not suggesting a whip round, but Tony needs some positive support from all concerned.
Great post Yorkie.
[quote][p][bold]Yorkieseagull[/bold] wrote: It's a surprise to me, though I would shudder to think how much higher the losses would be for some of the more reckless teams in the championship. The reluctance to spend big this season now becomes more clear and it shows just how disciplined (and lucky) our management and boardroom team need to be over the next couple of months. A good run in the FA Cup would be handy, getting players out of the treatment room and back justifying the high wages would be good, and fans turning up to appreciate entertaining football would also help. I'm not suggesting a whip round, but Tony needs some positive support from all concerned.[/p][/quote]Great post Yorkie. Aye Aye

6:01pm Wed 5 Feb 14

Neville says...

Its going to be very difficult to keep players like TK,MU and LU and no doubt about it WB will be sold soon.
Its going to be very difficult to keep players like TK,MU and LU and no doubt about it WB will be sold soon. Neville

6:02pm Wed 5 Feb 14

seegull fly in sky says...

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6:04pm Wed 5 Feb 14

Albion In Staffs says...

Yorkieseagull wrote:
It's a surprise to me, though I would shudder to think how much higher the losses would be for some of the more reckless teams in the championship. The reluctance to spend big this season now becomes more clear and it shows just how disciplined (and lucky) our management and boardroom team need to be over the next couple of months. A good run in the FA Cup would be handy, getting players out of the treatment room and back justifying the high wages would be good, and fans turning up to appreciate entertaining football would also help. I'm not suggesting a whip round, but Tony needs some positive support from all concerned.
As with Aye Aye's response, here here!
There are some managers around who don't care about the long term as long as their little stint is well blessed. Naturally, I couldn't name names on here, but you don't have to look too far back in our history to find one.
Answers on a postcard please to SAFC competition.........
[quote][p][bold]Yorkieseagull[/bold] wrote: It's a surprise to me, though I would shudder to think how much higher the losses would be for some of the more reckless teams in the championship. The reluctance to spend big this season now becomes more clear and it shows just how disciplined (and lucky) our management and boardroom team need to be over the next couple of months. A good run in the FA Cup would be handy, getting players out of the treatment room and back justifying the high wages would be good, and fans turning up to appreciate entertaining football would also help. I'm not suggesting a whip round, but Tony needs some positive support from all concerned.[/p][/quote]As with Aye Aye's response, here here! There are some managers around who don't care about the long term as long as their little stint is well blessed. Naturally, I couldn't name names on here, but you don't have to look too far back in our history to find one. Answers on a postcard please to SAFC competition......... Albion In Staffs

6:14pm Wed 5 Feb 14

Dolph Ins says...

Can all of you on here who keep asking Tony to open his wallet apologise now please.
Can all of you on here who keep asking Tony to open his wallet apologise now please. Dolph Ins

6:20pm Wed 5 Feb 14

searich1983 says...

Albion In Staffs wrote:
Yorkieseagull wrote:
It's a surprise to me, though I would shudder to think how much higher the losses would be for some of the more reckless teams in the championship. The reluctance to spend big this season now becomes more clear and it shows just how disciplined (and lucky) our management and boardroom team need to be over the next couple of months. A good run in the FA Cup would be handy, getting players out of the treatment room and back justifying the high wages would be good, and fans turning up to appreciate entertaining football would also help. I'm not suggesting a whip round, but Tony needs some positive support from all concerned.
As with Aye Aye's response, here here!
There are some managers around who don't care about the long term as long as their little stint is well blessed. Naturally, I couldn't name names on here, but you don't have to look too far back in our history to find one.
Answers on a postcard please to SAFC competition.........
The problem that you all "believe" in what B&B say.
Wage bill down, Season ticket holders same, Sold 3 of our best players, we only spend 1M in Stephens and still lost more than last year? why we didn't sell Buckley then? someone is taking the money and is not us the fans, so who? We want the true, sounds very strange all what PB said.
I would like some opinions on this, I'm no taking it.
[quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Yorkieseagull[/bold] wrote: It's a surprise to me, though I would shudder to think how much higher the losses would be for some of the more reckless teams in the championship. The reluctance to spend big this season now becomes more clear and it shows just how disciplined (and lucky) our management and boardroom team need to be over the next couple of months. A good run in the FA Cup would be handy, getting players out of the treatment room and back justifying the high wages would be good, and fans turning up to appreciate entertaining football would also help. I'm not suggesting a whip round, but Tony needs some positive support from all concerned.[/p][/quote]As with Aye Aye's response, here here! There are some managers around who don't care about the long term as long as their little stint is well blessed. Naturally, I couldn't name names on here, but you don't have to look too far back in our history to find one. Answers on a postcard please to SAFC competition.........[/p][/quote]The problem that you all "believe" in what B&B say. Wage bill down, Season ticket holders same, Sold 3 of our best players, we only spend 1M in Stephens and still lost more than last year? why we didn't sell Buckley then? someone is taking the money and is not us the fans, so who? We want the true, sounds very strange all what PB said. I would like some opinions on this, I'm no taking it. searich1983

6:29pm Wed 5 Feb 14

SecondReserve says...

Putting aside the vagaries of accounting systems, that figure is rather a shock. We regularly get the largest crowds in the division and pay the highest prices to watch the Albion. We have spent on players but by todays standards we haven't paid out huge transfer fees and all of our signings since the end of last season have been cheap / free / loans. Rather worrying news.
Putting aside the vagaries of accounting systems, that figure is rather a shock. We regularly get the largest crowds in the division and pay the highest prices to watch the Albion. We have spent on players but by todays standards we haven't paid out huge transfer fees and all of our signings since the end of last season have been cheap / free / loans. Rather worrying news. SecondReserve

6:30pm Wed 5 Feb 14

bruce beckett says...

If wages and transfer fees have gone up six million from last season, lord knows what kind of assurances Poyet was seeking from the board for at the end of last season?

I guess some clubs in our division are gambling on securing Premier League football next season but when only three go up out of 24, the 8-1 odds don't look too attractive to me.

The Championship presents the suits with a real Catch 22. You need a massive squad to cope with 46 league games + cup ties, but you end up paying a lot of players for warming the bench.

Do we really need two experienced keepers to back up the Pole in goal and I would suggest we stop borrowing strikers who we have no intention of playing.

It doesn't help when you have two or three with long-term injuries either.

What, I wonder does this mean, for next season? If we want to be a contender, then we're going to need to strengthen because one or two cracks are emerging right now, particularly in the centre of midfield and defence.
If wages and transfer fees have gone up six million from last season, lord knows what kind of assurances Poyet was seeking from the board for at the end of last season? I guess some clubs in our division are gambling on securing Premier League football next season but when only three go up out of 24, the 8-1 odds don't look too attractive to me. The Championship presents the suits with a real Catch 22. You need a massive squad to cope with 46 league games + cup ties, but you end up paying a lot of players for warming the bench. Do we really need two experienced keepers to back up the Pole in goal and I would suggest we stop borrowing strikers who we have no intention of playing. It doesn't help when you have two or three with long-term injuries either. What, I wonder does this mean, for next season? If we want to be a contender, then we're going to need to strengthen because one or two cracks are emerging right now, particularly in the centre of midfield and defence. bruce beckett

6:30pm Wed 5 Feb 14

Gee Jay says...

Perhaps the people who have been slagging off the 'suits' (as they call them) on here and elsewhere will now see why they have had to do what they have been doing.
It is not, and cannot be a bottomless pit.
We can only hope that the Football League enforce the threatened punishments for the clubs that are flouting the new FFP rulings. This way clubs like ours will be rewarded by not receiving sanctions and fines, and the Albion management team wil have been proved to have taken the correct actions.
Many thanks to Tony Bloom, without whom we would not even be where we are, at Falmer, or indeed in this league..
Perhaps the people who have been slagging off the 'suits' (as they call them) on here and elsewhere will now see why they have had to do what they have been doing. It is not, and cannot be a bottomless pit. We can only hope that the Football League enforce the threatened punishments for the clubs that are flouting the new FFP rulings. This way clubs like ours will be rewarded by not receiving sanctions and fines, and the Albion management team wil have been proved to have taken the correct actions. Many thanks to Tony Bloom, without whom we would not even be where we are, at Falmer, or indeed in this league.. Gee Jay

6:35pm Wed 5 Feb 14

pjwilk says...

Its not been spent on players,the Blues Bros should be sacked it would save a few bob,Why are we spending so much on the training ground.
Its not been spent on players,the Blues Bros should be sacked it would save a few bob,Why are we spending so much on the training ground. pjwilk

6:35pm Wed 5 Feb 14

bbb1969 says...

searich1983 wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
Yorkieseagull wrote:
It's a surprise to me, though I would shudder to think how much higher the losses would be for some of the more reckless teams in the championship. The reluctance to spend big this season now becomes more clear and it shows just how disciplined (and lucky) our management and boardroom team need to be over the next couple of months. A good run in the FA Cup would be handy, getting players out of the treatment room and back justifying the high wages would be good, and fans turning up to appreciate entertaining football would also help. I'm not suggesting a whip round, but Tony needs some positive support from all concerned.
As with Aye Aye's response, here here!
There are some managers around who don't care about the long term as long as their little stint is well blessed. Naturally, I couldn't name names on here, but you don't have to look too far back in our history to find one.
Answers on a postcard please to SAFC competition.........
The problem that you all "believe" in what B&B say.
Wage bill down, Season ticket holders same, Sold 3 of our best players, we only spend 1M in Stephens and still lost more than last year? why we didn't sell Buckley then? someone is taking the money and is not us the fans, so who? We want the true, sounds very strange all what PB said.
I would like some opinions on this, I'm no taking it.
Its the increasing overheads such as new wages and less tv coverage but you are correct; the selling of a few players should have helped. We need a better accountant and maybe someone a bit more creative.
I really hope the ffp rules do impact all who have disregarded it so we can reap the benefits next season as long as we are ok. I mentioned in a post on another thread about not renewing the contracts of people like Greer, Lopez, possibly Upson unless in the chamionship next season. That will save some money in conjunction of releasing all of our loanees.
I will bevery disappointed if there is no real punishment to the clubs ignoring ffp.
[quote][p][bold]searich1983[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Yorkieseagull[/bold] wrote: It's a surprise to me, though I would shudder to think how much higher the losses would be for some of the more reckless teams in the championship. The reluctance to spend big this season now becomes more clear and it shows just how disciplined (and lucky) our management and boardroom team need to be over the next couple of months. A good run in the FA Cup would be handy, getting players out of the treatment room and back justifying the high wages would be good, and fans turning up to appreciate entertaining football would also help. I'm not suggesting a whip round, but Tony needs some positive support from all concerned.[/p][/quote]As with Aye Aye's response, here here! There are some managers around who don't care about the long term as long as their little stint is well blessed. Naturally, I couldn't name names on here, but you don't have to look too far back in our history to find one. Answers on a postcard please to SAFC competition.........[/p][/quote]The problem that you all "believe" in what B&B say. Wage bill down, Season ticket holders same, Sold 3 of our best players, we only spend 1M in Stephens and still lost more than last year? why we didn't sell Buckley then? someone is taking the money and is not us the fans, so who? We want the true, sounds very strange all what PB said. I would like some opinions on this, I'm no taking it.[/p][/quote]Its the increasing overheads such as new wages and less tv coverage but you are correct; the selling of a few players should have helped. We need a better accountant and maybe someone a bit more creative. I really hope the ffp rules do impact all who have disregarded it so we can reap the benefits next season as long as we are ok. I mentioned in a post on another thread about not renewing the contracts of people like Greer, Lopez, possibly Upson unless in the chamionship next season. That will save some money in conjunction of releasing all of our loanees. I will bevery disappointed if there is no real punishment to the clubs ignoring ffp. bbb1969

6:45pm Wed 5 Feb 14

Dolph Ins says...

Don't forget that Tony is giving the club an interest free loan of approx 120m for the Amex and the training ground. At 3% inflation he is losing 3.6m a year on that too.
Don't forget that Tony is giving the club an interest free loan of approx 120m for the Amex and the training ground. At 3% inflation he is losing 3.6m a year on that too. Dolph Ins

6:47pm Wed 5 Feb 14

OldGull says...

searich1983 wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
Yorkieseagull wrote:
It's a surprise to me, though I would shudder to think how much higher the losses would be for some of the more reckless teams in the championship. The reluctance to spend big this season now becomes more clear and it shows just how disciplined (and lucky) our management and boardroom team need to be over the next couple of months. A good run in the FA Cup would be handy, getting players out of the treatment room and back justifying the high wages would be good, and fans turning up to appreciate entertaining football would also help. I'm not suggesting a whip round, but Tony needs some positive support from all concerned.
As with Aye Aye's response, here here!
There are some managers around who don't care about the long term as long as their little stint is well blessed. Naturally, I couldn't name names on here, but you don't have to look too far back in our history to find one.
Answers on a postcard please to SAFC competition.........
The problem that you all "believe" in what B&B say.
Wage bill down, Season ticket holders same, Sold 3 of our best players, we only spend 1M in Stephens and still lost more than last year? why we didn't sell Buckley then? someone is taking the money and is not us the fans, so who? We want the true, sounds very strange all what PB said.
I would like some opinions on this, I'm no taking it.
Don't be a dick
The figures are for LAST SEASON when you may remember we spent £2 on Ulloa.
How can this January transactions affect last season's figures?
[quote][p][bold]searich1983[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Yorkieseagull[/bold] wrote: It's a surprise to me, though I would shudder to think how much higher the losses would be for some of the more reckless teams in the championship. The reluctance to spend big this season now becomes more clear and it shows just how disciplined (and lucky) our management and boardroom team need to be over the next couple of months. A good run in the FA Cup would be handy, getting players out of the treatment room and back justifying the high wages would be good, and fans turning up to appreciate entertaining football would also help. I'm not suggesting a whip round, but Tony needs some positive support from all concerned.[/p][/quote]As with Aye Aye's response, here here! There are some managers around who don't care about the long term as long as their little stint is well blessed. Naturally, I couldn't name names on here, but you don't have to look too far back in our history to find one. Answers on a postcard please to SAFC competition.........[/p][/quote]The problem that you all "believe" in what B&B say. Wage bill down, Season ticket holders same, Sold 3 of our best players, we only spend 1M in Stephens and still lost more than last year? why we didn't sell Buckley then? someone is taking the money and is not us the fans, so who? We want the true, sounds very strange all what PB said. I would like some opinions on this, I'm no taking it.[/p][/quote]Don't be a dick The figures are for LAST SEASON when you may remember we spent £2 on Ulloa. How can this January transactions affect last season's figures? OldGull

6:50pm Wed 5 Feb 14

pjwilk says...

Its only one or two players in the Premiership.The suits are not doing a good job in their financial role,they have failed,so taxi for the Blues Bros.
Its only one or two players in the Premiership.The suits are not doing a good job in their financial role,they have failed,so taxi for the Blues Bros. pjwilk

6:58pm Wed 5 Feb 14

SeagullOverSelsey says...

bruce beckett wrote:
If wages and transfer fees have gone up six million from last season, lord knows what kind of assurances Poyet was seeking from the board for at the end of last season?

I guess some clubs in our division are gambling on securing Premier League football next season but when only three go up out of 24, the 8-1 odds don't look too attractive to me.

The Championship presents the suits with a real Catch 22. You need a massive squad to cope with 46 league games + cup ties, but you end up paying a lot of players for warming the bench.

Do we really need two experienced keepers to back up the Pole in goal and I would suggest we stop borrowing strikers who we have no intention of playing.

It doesn't help when you have two or three with long-term injuries either.

What, I wonder does this mean, for next season? If we want to be a contender, then we're going to need to strengthen because one or two cracks are emerging right now, particularly in the centre of midfield and defence.
Agree with you 100 per cent re goalkeepers.I cannot understand why the Albion have not tried to sell either Brezovan or Ankegren.
[quote][p][bold]bruce beckett[/bold] wrote: If wages and transfer fees have gone up six million from last season, lord knows what kind of assurances Poyet was seeking from the board for at the end of last season? I guess some clubs in our division are gambling on securing Premier League football next season but when only three go up out of 24, the 8-1 odds don't look too attractive to me. The Championship presents the suits with a real Catch 22. You need a massive squad to cope with 46 league games + cup ties, but you end up paying a lot of players for warming the bench. Do we really need two experienced keepers to back up the Pole in goal and I would suggest we stop borrowing strikers who we have no intention of playing. It doesn't help when you have two or three with long-term injuries either. What, I wonder does this mean, for next season? If we want to be a contender, then we're going to need to strengthen because one or two cracks are emerging right now, particularly in the centre of midfield and defence.[/p][/quote]Agree with you 100 per cent re goalkeepers.I cannot understand why the Albion have not tried to sell either Brezovan or Ankegren. SeagullOverSelsey

7:07pm Wed 5 Feb 14

namgo49 says...

Any player who comes or goes costs a lot of money. There is no such thing as a free transfer. The losses though are staggering and you do wonder what people are being paid to run the club and too if the funding from TB comes for free.

All a bit of worry really but I am sure a win on Saturday followed by one on Tuesday will move such thoughts to the back of the mind. The team need to get back in to winning ways with the prospect of the season ticket renewals hitting supporters doormats in the next couple of weeks. Doubts will be raised otherwise,"Shall I, shan't I"

The FA Cup run may generate extra income but it too has it's downside How many Leeds fans will trek down for next Tuesday having had the Saturday fixture postponed because of the Cup. How many Hull fans will be in the Amex on a Monday night. How many Brighton fans will be there, even at £15 pop. One cancels out the other it seems to me.
Any player who comes or goes costs a lot of money. There is no such thing as a free transfer. The losses though are staggering and you do wonder what people are being paid to run the club and too if the funding from TB comes for free. All a bit of worry really but I am sure a win on Saturday followed by one on Tuesday will move such thoughts to the back of the mind. The team need to get back in to winning ways with the prospect of the season ticket renewals hitting supporters doormats in the next couple of weeks. Doubts will be raised otherwise,"Shall I, shan't I" The FA Cup run may generate extra income but it too has it's downside How many Leeds fans will trek down for next Tuesday having had the Saturday fixture postponed because of the Cup. How many Hull fans will be in the Amex on a Monday night. How many Brighton fans will be there, even at £15 pop. One cancels out the other it seems to me. namgo49

7:11pm Wed 5 Feb 14

Carlas mum says...

Reading the above comments some people seem to think that this figure is for this season, it is for 2012/2013 and therefore the money made by selling this year is irrelevant.
Obviously the money made by the use of the Amex for various functions is not being put into the football club, so the question is this, is the Amex paying for itself or is that still down to the football club. If this is the case where is the money that is being generated on almost a daily basis going.
Reading the above comments some people seem to think that this figure is for this season, it is for 2012/2013 and therefore the money made by selling this year is irrelevant. Obviously the money made by the use of the Amex for various functions is not being put into the football club, so the question is this, is the Amex paying for itself or is that still down to the football club. If this is the case where is the money that is being generated on almost a daily basis going. Carlas mum

7:11pm Wed 5 Feb 14

lotsofducks says...

FFP has no teeth - Bolton are about to demonstrate this. Why worry?
FFP has no teeth - Bolton are about to demonstrate this. Why worry? lotsofducks

7:21pm Wed 5 Feb 14

MHubbs says...

So basically, we have little or no money to spend -
Despite having the biggest gates in championship, because we are sticking to the ffp rules which do not even state what the punishment will be for infringements.

What utter nonsense! That's like saying if you commit a foul on the pitch then there will be a punishment but we cannot say what it will be! It may be a free kick, a post match fine, a penalty or even an automatic goal. How can we abide by a system with no stated sanctions????

What we are in effect saying then is that we cannot and never will be able to make a serious challenge for promotion whilst adhering to the ffp rules. Because if our current frugal approach is leaving us millions in debt each season despite huge sales and attendances (and no top players coming our way) then I do not see how we can escape this cycle of financial mayhem.

I sure hope the penalty a are severe on those who break the fff rules, because if not the we have been duped.
So basically, we have little or no money to spend - Despite having the biggest gates in championship, because we are sticking to the ffp rules which do not even state what the punishment will be for infringements. What utter nonsense! That's like saying if you commit a foul on the pitch then there will be a punishment but we cannot say what it will be! It may be a free kick, a post match fine, a penalty or even an automatic goal. How can we abide by a system with no stated sanctions???? What we are in effect saying then is that we cannot and never will be able to make a serious challenge for promotion whilst adhering to the ffp rules. Because if our current frugal approach is leaving us millions in debt each season despite huge sales and attendances (and no top players coming our way) then I do not see how we can escape this cycle of financial mayhem. I sure hope the penalty a are severe on those who break the fff rules, because if not the we have been duped. MHubbs

7:31pm Wed 5 Feb 14

SMF20 says...

Even if FFP wasn't upon us. Why should TB have to dip so very deeply into his pockets every year to keep our heads above water.

Things seriously need to change with the current system.
Even if FFP wasn't upon us. Why should TB have to dip so very deeply into his pockets every year to keep our heads above water. Things seriously need to change with the current system. SMF20

7:37pm Wed 5 Feb 14

VegasSeagull says...

This loss is for last year and not this one so when thinking of purchases and expenditures we have to think back and not of this season.
Last year's loss is some 5 millions up on the previous year's losses and I can't think how we managed to spend so much extra. Ulloa came in, and we had a chunk of Wayne Bridge's wages to pay, but players would have gone thru the exit door, just as they do every year.
The good thing is that we are on target to reduce our losses this year but 6 million is a lot to save/make in extra revenues, but I guess our sales and reduced purchasing of players will see that we make our targets. We will, under the FFP rules, have to cut our losses again next year, not sure how we will do that, unless Barber can finds some extra sponsors.
This loss is for last year and not this one so when thinking of purchases and expenditures we have to think back and not of this season. Last year's loss is some 5 millions up on the previous year's losses and I can't think how we managed to spend so much extra. Ulloa came in, and we had a chunk of Wayne Bridge's wages to pay, but players would have gone thru the exit door, just as they do every year. The good thing is that we are on target to reduce our losses this year but 6 million is a lot to save/make in extra revenues, but I guess our sales and reduced purchasing of players will see that we make our targets. We will, under the FFP rules, have to cut our losses again next year, not sure how we will do that, unless Barber can finds some extra sponsors. VegasSeagull

7:43pm Wed 5 Feb 14

twonk says...

It's about what I expected, The clubs money men know what they have to get the figures down to next time, so these figures were always going to be high. It's nothing to worry about.
It's about what I expected, The clubs money men know what they have to get the figures down to next time, so these figures were always going to be high. It's nothing to worry about. twonk

7:48pm Wed 5 Feb 14

ahseagull says...

What is the point of this thread, and the Argus asking the question? People are happily expressing their opinion under the original news item!!
What is the point of this thread, and the Argus asking the question? People are happily expressing their opinion under the original news item!! ahseagull

7:49pm Wed 5 Feb 14

lonegull says...

People saying we will never be able to compete are wrong providing FFP does what it is supposed to. That being the case, and unfair parachute payments aside, our larger crowds should actually give us a financial advantage.
It should also see a dramatic drop in players wages hence the club not commiting to long term deals at present.
People saying we will never be able to compete are wrong providing FFP does what it is supposed to. That being the case, and unfair parachute payments aside, our larger crowds should actually give us a financial advantage. It should also see a dramatic drop in players wages hence the club not commiting to long term deals at present. lonegull

8:04pm Wed 5 Feb 14

Ulloa19 says...

We really need to give a big thanks to Tony bloom for paying it all without him we would be in serious trouble again. TONY BLOOMS BLUE AND WHITE ARMY
UTA
We really need to give a big thanks to Tony bloom for paying it all without him we would be in serious trouble again. TONY BLOOMS BLUE AND WHITE ARMY UTA Ulloa19

8:12pm Wed 5 Feb 14

gordongull says...

Paul Barber is confident that The Club will achieve losses not exceeding £8 million by the end of the season, and this is commendable.
How many other clubs will make such a commitment?
A scenario could emerge whereby no team adhering to FFP will ever be promoted if potential rewards for breaking the rules far outweigh the penalties.
Promoted Championship sides will be well established in the Premier League before any FFP irregularities come to light, and the retrospective penalties will do nothing to compensate those who kept their finances in order.
Financial Fair Play would mean replacing an offending promoted team with the highest placed club which missed out on promotion, but managed to balance the books.
You don't need to tell me what the chances are of that happening.
Paul Barber is confident that The Club will achieve losses not exceeding £8 million by the end of the season, and this is commendable. How many other clubs will make such a commitment? A scenario could emerge whereby no team adhering to FFP will ever be promoted if potential rewards for breaking the rules far outweigh the penalties. Promoted Championship sides will be well established in the Premier League before any FFP irregularities come to light, and the retrospective penalties will do nothing to compensate those who kept their finances in order. Financial Fair Play would mean replacing an offending promoted team with the highest placed club which missed out on promotion, but managed to balance the books. You don't need to tell me what the chances are of that happening. gordongull

8:33pm Wed 5 Feb 14

keswick says...

pjwilk wrote:
Its not been spent on players,the Blues Bros should be sacked it would save a few bob,Why are we spending so much on the training ground.
I would call you an idiot, but then that would be an insult to real idiots. If you cannot see the need for the training facility you really are super stupid.
[quote][p][bold]pjwilk[/bold] wrote: Its not been spent on players,the Blues Bros should be sacked it would save a few bob,Why are we spending so much on the training ground.[/p][/quote]I would call you an idiot, but then that would be an insult to real idiots. If you cannot see the need for the training facility you really are super stupid. keswick

8:36pm Wed 5 Feb 14

gordongull says...

Did Pele and Maradona have 'state of the art' training facilities?
Did Pele and Maradona have 'state of the art' training facilities? gordongull

8:44pm Wed 5 Feb 14

.pjwilk says...

pjwilk wrote:
Its only one or two players in the Premiership.The suits are not doing a good job in their financial role,they have failed,so taxi for the Blues Bros.
Please ignore anything I say on this forum. most of the time I go around with my head buried deep inside my own ar5ehole. I have no knowledge of football, in fact, I have never set foot inside a football ground in my life although I always look out to see how Palace have done. Apologies to all the genuine Brighton supporters who post on here, and remember, ignore anything I post, its all just ****.
[quote][p][bold]pjwilk[/bold] wrote: Its only one or two players in the Premiership.The suits are not doing a good job in their financial role,they have failed,so taxi for the Blues Bros.[/p][/quote]Please ignore anything I say on this forum. most of the time I go around with my head buried deep inside my own ar5ehole. I have no knowledge of football, in fact, I have never set foot inside a football ground in my life although I always look out to see how Palace have done. Apologies to all the genuine Brighton supporters who post on here, and remember, ignore anything I post, its all just ****. .pjwilk

8:45pm Wed 5 Feb 14

To baldly go says...

Factor in the cost of Ulloa plus wages, plus wages for Bridge and Vicente, these 3 alone add up to about £4m, and if I remember right didn't Adenstar remain on site to finish the corners of the stadium off ahead of schedule, was this an extra cost not budgeted for that could also be part of the debt?
I am sure TB has the right people in the right jobs, he hasn't done to bad so far has he!
Those teams spending money, smaller stadiums, smaller crowds = smaller overheads! got some big sponsors and they can spend it all on players and wages! We have just joined them and need a couple of years to settle in to our new home and when the time comes we will be ready! positivity guys, it could be worse, look where we were just 3/4 yrs ago. UTA
Factor in the cost of Ulloa plus wages, plus wages for Bridge and Vicente, these 3 alone add up to about £4m, and if I remember right didn't Adenstar remain on site to finish the corners of the stadium off ahead of schedule, was this an extra cost not budgeted for that could also be part of the debt? I am sure TB has the right people in the right jobs, he hasn't done to bad so far has he! Those teams spending money, smaller stadiums, smaller crowds = smaller overheads! got some big sponsors and they can spend it all on players and wages! We have just joined them and need a couple of years to settle in to our new home and when the time comes we will be ready! positivity guys, it could be worse, look where we were just 3/4 yrs ago. UTA To baldly go

8:45pm Wed 5 Feb 14

impose our game gull says...

bruce beckett wrote:
If wages and transfer fees have gone up six million from last season, lord knows what kind of assurances Poyet was seeking from the board for at the end of last season?

I guess some clubs in our division are gambling on securing Premier League football next season but when only three go up out of 24, the 8-1 odds don't look too attractive to me.

The Championship presents the suits with a real Catch 22. You need a massive squad to cope with 46 league games + cup ties, but you end up paying a lot of players for warming the bench.

Do we really need two experienced keepers to back up the Pole in goal and I would suggest we stop borrowing strikers who we have no intention of playing.

It doesn't help when you have two or three with long-term injuries either.

What, I wonder does this mean, for next season? If we want to be a contender, then we're going to need to strengthen because one or two cracks are emerging right now, particularly in the centre of midfield and defence.
and up front and on the wings as well....
[quote][p][bold]bruce beckett[/bold] wrote: If wages and transfer fees have gone up six million from last season, lord knows what kind of assurances Poyet was seeking from the board for at the end of last season? I guess some clubs in our division are gambling on securing Premier League football next season but when only three go up out of 24, the 8-1 odds don't look too attractive to me. The Championship presents the suits with a real Catch 22. You need a massive squad to cope with 46 league games + cup ties, but you end up paying a lot of players for warming the bench. Do we really need two experienced keepers to back up the Pole in goal and I would suggest we stop borrowing strikers who we have no intention of playing. It doesn't help when you have two or three with long-term injuries either. What, I wonder does this mean, for next season? If we want to be a contender, then we're going to need to strengthen because one or two cracks are emerging right now, particularly in the centre of midfield and defence.[/p][/quote]and up front and on the wings as well.... impose our game gull

9:39pm Wed 5 Feb 14

gordongull says...

impose our game gull wrote:
bruce beckett wrote:
If wages and transfer fees have gone up six million from last season, lord knows what kind of assurances Poyet was seeking from the board for at the end of last season?

I guess some clubs in our division are gambling on securing Premier League football next season but when only three go up out of 24, the 8-1 odds don't look too attractive to me.

The Championship presents the suits with a real Catch 22. You need a massive squad to cope with 46 league games + cup ties, but you end up paying a lot of players for warming the bench.

Do we really need two experienced keepers to back up the Pole in goal and I would suggest we stop borrowing strikers who we have no intention of playing.

It doesn't help when you have two or three with long-term injuries either.

What, I wonder does this mean, for next season? If we want to be a contender, then we're going to need to strengthen because one or two cracks are emerging right now, particularly in the centre of midfield and defence.
and up front and on the wings as well....
The point of 'fair play' is that we shouldn't need to strengthen to be a contender next season.
It will be interesting to see what happens to all the star players that other clubs will need to off-load.
[quote][p][bold]impose our game gull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bruce beckett[/bold] wrote: If wages and transfer fees have gone up six million from last season, lord knows what kind of assurances Poyet was seeking from the board for at the end of last season? I guess some clubs in our division are gambling on securing Premier League football next season but when only three go up out of 24, the 8-1 odds don't look too attractive to me. The Championship presents the suits with a real Catch 22. You need a massive squad to cope with 46 league games + cup ties, but you end up paying a lot of players for warming the bench. Do we really need two experienced keepers to back up the Pole in goal and I would suggest we stop borrowing strikers who we have no intention of playing. It doesn't help when you have two or three with long-term injuries either. What, I wonder does this mean, for next season? If we want to be a contender, then we're going to need to strengthen because one or two cracks are emerging right now, particularly in the centre of midfield and defence.[/p][/quote]and up front and on the wings as well....[/p][/quote]The point of 'fair play' is that we shouldn't need to strengthen to be a contender next season. It will be interesting to see what happens to all the star players that other clubs will need to off-load. gordongull

9:56pm Wed 5 Feb 14

Vince says...

As one poster said, how can Admin costs go up £1.2m when there have been so many staff cuts?

Speculate to accumulate is a well known saying. So far all our purchases have been sold at a big profit:- Bridcutt £3.2m, Bennett £1.4m, Noone 750k, Barnes £500k, Cook £200k, These make a profit of £5m.

Ulloa must be worth £5m, Buckley £3m, Lua Lua £2m,
Ince must be worth £5m, Solly March £1.5m

If we had been promoted last year, you could probably double these values.

In addition to developing our DS youngsters, we should continue to invest in new players like the above, to ensure promotion to the Premiership - , as this is the key to ensuring that we maximise their value, at the same time as reducing the risk of losing them. Promotion to the Premiership is a must. I don't think we should think in terms of buying ordinary "championship quality " players just to maintain the status quo. We have to improve the squad not weaken it. Having said that the key to next season will be what the impact of FFP on our main rivals will be. We may be in such a strong position, in the next year or two, that automatic promotion will be a probability not a possibility.

In the next two years it will be essential to keep the momentum going and strike while the iron is hot :- a) to maintain our fan base b) to attract quality players c) to continue to blood talented youngsters and d) get to the Premiership.

Saints have done this despite losing some of their products like Bale and Walcott for a fraction of their current values.

I think we are on the right track, and the future is bright. UTA
As one poster said, how can Admin costs go up £1.2m when there have been so many staff cuts? Speculate to accumulate is a well known saying. So far all our purchases have been sold at a big profit:- Bridcutt £3.2m, Bennett £1.4m, Noone 750k, Barnes £500k, Cook £200k, These make a profit of £5m. Ulloa must be worth £5m, Buckley £3m, Lua Lua £2m, Ince must be worth £5m, Solly March £1.5m If we had been promoted last year, you could probably double these values. In addition to developing our DS youngsters, we should continue to invest in new players like the above, to ensure promotion to the Premiership - , as this is the key to ensuring that we maximise their value, at the same time as reducing the risk of losing them. Promotion to the Premiership is a must. I don't think we should think in terms of buying ordinary "championship quality " players just to maintain the status quo. We have to improve the squad not weaken it. Having said that the key to next season will be what the impact of FFP on our main rivals will be. We may be in such a strong position, in the next year or two, that automatic promotion will be a probability not a possibility. In the next two years it will be essential to keep the momentum going and strike while the iron is hot :- a) to maintain our fan base b) to attract quality players c) to continue to blood talented youngsters and d) get to the Premiership. Saints have done this despite losing some of their products like Bale and Walcott for a fraction of their current values. I think we are on the right track, and the future is bright. UTA Vince

10:00pm Wed 5 Feb 14

Withdean-er says...

To baldly go wrote:
Factor in the cost of Ulloa plus wages, plus wages for Bridge and Vicente, these 3 alone add up to about £4m, and if I remember right didn't Adenstar remain on site to finish the corners of the stadium off ahead of schedule, was this an extra cost not budgeted for that could also be part of the debt?
I am sure TB has the right people in the right jobs, he hasn't done to bad so far has he!
Those teams spending money, smaller stadiums, smaller crowds = smaller overheads! got some big sponsors and they can spend it all on players and wages! We have just joined them and need a couple of years to settle in to our new home and when the time comes we will be ready! positivity guys, it could be worse, look where we were just 3/4 yrs ago. UTA
The Adenstar work is completely irrelevant to the losses or their cause in this discussion. All such expenditure being on capital projects is capitalised on the balance sheet (and not a profit and loss account expense), in accordance with mandatory accounting standards.

But in terms of cash-flow, these are also met by TB, as was the stadium, Lancing, and several years of losses.
[quote][p][bold]To baldly go[/bold] wrote: Factor in the cost of Ulloa plus wages, plus wages for Bridge and Vicente, these 3 alone add up to about £4m, and if I remember right didn't Adenstar remain on site to finish the corners of the stadium off ahead of schedule, was this an extra cost not budgeted for that could also be part of the debt? I am sure TB has the right people in the right jobs, he hasn't done to bad so far has he! Those teams spending money, smaller stadiums, smaller crowds = smaller overheads! got some big sponsors and they can spend it all on players and wages! We have just joined them and need a couple of years to settle in to our new home and when the time comes we will be ready! positivity guys, it could be worse, look where we were just 3/4 yrs ago. UTA[/p][/quote]The Adenstar work is completely irrelevant to the losses or their cause in this discussion. All such expenditure being on capital projects is capitalised on the balance sheet (and not a profit and loss account expense), in accordance with mandatory accounting standards. But in terms of cash-flow, these are also met by TB, as was the stadium, Lancing, and several years of losses. Withdean-er

10:24pm Wed 5 Feb 14

mikeygit says...

Its one thing telling us the losses for last year but it would also have been useful for the paying fans to have been given a little information as to where this increase in the losses came from and at the same time telling us how they were going to make the savings down to 8m this year, then we may be able to understand the situation a little more and things would be clearer, no use telling us part of the story without the final chapter!!??
Its one thing telling us the losses for last year but it would also have been useful for the paying fans to have been given a little information as to where this increase in the losses came from and at the same time telling us how they were going to make the savings down to 8m this year, then we may be able to understand the situation a little more and things would be clearer, no use telling us part of the story without the final chapter!!?? mikeygit

10:29pm Wed 5 Feb 14

albion64 says...

pjwilk wrote:
Its not been spent on players,the Blues Bros should be sacked it would save a few bob,Why are we spending so much on the training ground.
Training Academy = Better technical players for the future.
So we won't have to spend over the odds for average players in the long run.
End of maths lesson. UTA
[quote][p][bold]pjwilk[/bold] wrote: Its not been spent on players,the Blues Bros should be sacked it would save a few bob,Why are we spending so much on the training ground.[/p][/quote]Training Academy = Better technical players for the future. So we won't have to spend over the odds for average players in the long run. End of maths lesson. UTA albion64

10:57pm Wed 5 Feb 14

portugal35 says...

£15 MILLION loss; 25,000 fans,put season tickets by an extra £600 on top of the £600 we are paying now..Nil loss. Steve
£15 MILLION loss; 25,000 fans,put season tickets by an extra £600 on top of the £600 we are paying now..Nil loss. Steve portugal35

10:59pm Wed 5 Feb 14

the taffster says...

why waste millions on the training ground?
why waste millions on the training ground? the taffster

11:02pm Wed 5 Feb 14

gordongull says...

mikeygit wrote:
Its one thing telling us the losses for last year but it would also have been useful for the paying fans to have been given a little information as to where this increase in the losses came from and at the same time telling us how they were going to make the savings down to 8m this year, then we may be able to understand the situation a little more and things would be clearer, no use telling us part of the story without the final chapter!!??
The club is already making inroads into the debt for this season with the sale (without replacement) of Ashley, Adam, and LB, along with their wages off the books.

This is copied from the previous article Mikey:
''The club enjoyed a boost in total sales in 2012/13. But an increase in wages and transfer fees along with a fall in TV money has seen the overall losses at the club increase by more than £6m.
Another quote from Paul Barber is: ''We could have sold seven more players and made a profit''.

We should consider ourselves fortunate to have retained the services of Tomasz , Leo, and others.
If all the pain results in a level playing field, that would be acceptable, but I, like many others remain unconvinced.
[quote][p][bold]mikeygit[/bold] wrote: Its one thing telling us the losses for last year but it would also have been useful for the paying fans to have been given a little information as to where this increase in the losses came from and at the same time telling us how they were going to make the savings down to 8m this year, then we may be able to understand the situation a little more and things would be clearer, no use telling us part of the story without the final chapter!!??[/p][/quote]The club is already making inroads into the debt for this season with the sale (without replacement) of Ashley, Adam, and LB, along with their wages off the books. This is copied from the previous article Mikey: ''The club enjoyed a boost in total sales in 2012/13. But an increase in wages and transfer fees along with a fall in TV money has seen the overall losses at the club increase by more than £6m. Another quote from Paul Barber is: ''We could have sold seven more players and made a profit''. We should consider ourselves fortunate to have retained the services of Tomasz , Leo, and others. If all the pain results in a level playing field, that would be acceptable, but I, like many others remain unconvinced. gordongull

11:36pm Wed 5 Feb 14

VegasSeagull says...

Dealing with our current losses is a straight forward business decision, reduce our outgoings so as to make them fall in line with our income, sounds simple doesn't it, but it's not.

The more we cut from the wage bill, and by that I mean offering less wages to players and lower transfer fees, the more lower level performers we will get. Lower level performers may not provide the entertainment level required to keep our gate numbers high, or attract the TV companies to televise our matches and sponsors contributions, so now our income goes down, and on it goes.

Income over expenditure, the age old problem of any business, but in the football world the problem is exaggerated. Brighton must develop out side revenue streams, income that does not rely on our performance on the pitch. We also have to produce our own home grown players to save us from having to buy or maybe give us a player to sell.
The proposed hotel, student accommodation and parking facility should provide income, but we will need more. I suggested once before that we should look at our suppliers and consider buying one or two of them out, people that supply us with goods and services supply others too, and they make money.
The concourses are a valuable space and we have used these areas for various activities, we need to use them more. Why not stage a beer festival, an antiques fair, a farmers market, and anything else where floor space can be rented out, how about a Spanish or French market day. All these things would only bring in smallish amounts of revenue but added together, and if held on a regular basis, it would add up.

Unless the club thinks a little, 'out of the box,' I don't see where new income streams come from that would be big enough to allow us to maintain a good level of entertainment on the park.
Dealing with our current losses is a straight forward business decision, reduce our outgoings so as to make them fall in line with our income, sounds simple doesn't it, but it's not. The more we cut from the wage bill, and by that I mean offering less wages to players and lower transfer fees, the more lower level performers we will get. Lower level performers may not provide the entertainment level required to keep our gate numbers high, or attract the TV companies to televise our matches and sponsors contributions, so now our income goes down, and on it goes. Income over expenditure, the age old problem of any business, but in the football world the problem is exaggerated. Brighton must develop out side revenue streams, income that does not rely on our performance on the pitch. We also have to produce our own home grown players to save us from having to buy or maybe give us a player to sell. The proposed hotel, student accommodation and parking facility should provide income, but we will need more. I suggested once before that we should look at our suppliers and consider buying one or two of them out, people that supply us with goods and services supply others too, and they make money. The concourses are a valuable space and we have used these areas for various activities, we need to use them more. Why not stage a beer festival, an antiques fair, a farmers market, and anything else where floor space can be rented out, how about a Spanish or French market day. All these things would only bring in smallish amounts of revenue but added together, and if held on a regular basis, it would add up. Unless the club thinks a little, 'out of the box,' I don't see where new income streams come from that would be big enough to allow us to maintain a good level of entertainment on the park. VegasSeagull

12:19am Thu 6 Feb 14

Baldseagull says...

Vince wrote:
As one poster said, how can Admin costs go up £1.2m when there have been so many staff cuts?

Speculate to accumulate is a well known saying. So far all our purchases have been sold at a big profit:- Bridcutt £3.2m, Bennett £1.4m, Noone 750k, Barnes £500k, Cook £200k, These make a profit of £5m.

Ulloa must be worth £5m, Buckley £3m, Lua Lua £2m,
Ince must be worth £5m, Solly March £1.5m

If we had been promoted last year, you could probably double these values.

In addition to developing our DS youngsters, we should continue to invest in new players like the above, to ensure promotion to the Premiership - , as this is the key to ensuring that we maximise their value, at the same time as reducing the risk of losing them. Promotion to the Premiership is a must. I don't think we should think in terms of buying ordinary "championship quality " players just to maintain the status quo. We have to improve the squad not weaken it. Having said that the key to next season will be what the impact of FFP on our main rivals will be. We may be in such a strong position, in the next year or two, that automatic promotion will be a probability not a possibility.

In the next two years it will be essential to keep the momentum going and strike while the iron is hot :- a) to maintain our fan base b) to attract quality players c) to continue to blood talented youngsters and d) get to the Premiership.

Saints have done this despite losing some of their products like Bale and Walcott for a fraction of their current values.

I think we are on the right track, and the future is bright. UTA
As explained elsewhere, due to redundancy payments, staff cuts cost in the short term, save in the long term.
Any costs that could have been put into last year rather than this, have been.
Not sure if the cost of the digital signage boards around the pitch are included in this, but if so, they will be a cost last season but produce revenue this season.
Barber is on top of this, we will not have a problem with FFP for this season.
But this is a problem for all championship clubs, to compete at this time costs more than can be achieved in income, by a long way.
[quote][p][bold]Vince[/bold] wrote: As one poster said, how can Admin costs go up £1.2m when there have been so many staff cuts? Speculate to accumulate is a well known saying. So far all our purchases have been sold at a big profit:- Bridcutt £3.2m, Bennett £1.4m, Noone 750k, Barnes £500k, Cook £200k, These make a profit of £5m. Ulloa must be worth £5m, Buckley £3m, Lua Lua £2m, Ince must be worth £5m, Solly March £1.5m If we had been promoted last year, you could probably double these values. In addition to developing our DS youngsters, we should continue to invest in new players like the above, to ensure promotion to the Premiership - , as this is the key to ensuring that we maximise their value, at the same time as reducing the risk of losing them. Promotion to the Premiership is a must. I don't think we should think in terms of buying ordinary "championship quality " players just to maintain the status quo. We have to improve the squad not weaken it. Having said that the key to next season will be what the impact of FFP on our main rivals will be. We may be in such a strong position, in the next year or two, that automatic promotion will be a probability not a possibility. In the next two years it will be essential to keep the momentum going and strike while the iron is hot :- a) to maintain our fan base b) to attract quality players c) to continue to blood talented youngsters and d) get to the Premiership. Saints have done this despite losing some of their products like Bale and Walcott for a fraction of their current values. I think we are on the right track, and the future is bright. UTA[/p][/quote]As explained elsewhere, due to redundancy payments, staff cuts cost in the short term, save in the long term. Any costs that could have been put into last year rather than this, have been. Not sure if the cost of the digital signage boards around the pitch are included in this, but if so, they will be a cost last season but produce revenue this season. Barber is on top of this, we will not have a problem with FFP for this season. But this is a problem for all championship clubs, to compete at this time costs more than can be achieved in income, by a long way. Baldseagull

12:21am Thu 6 Feb 14

gordongull says...

Hi Vegas
If FFP works It will surely have the effect of driving down that part of the equation which has dominated football debt for decades:- player transfer fees and wages.
There will no longer be an auction without a ceiling for the best players, and wages will be forced into line with revenues.
I can see the case for the revenue streams that you suggest, but until agents realize that their demands cannot be met, and players find that there isn't a club available with the money to meet their earnings requirement, debt will continue cast its shadow over the beautiful game.
Hi Vegas If FFP works It will surely have the effect of driving down that part of the equation which has dominated football debt for decades:- player transfer fees and wages. There will no longer be an auction without a ceiling for the best players, and wages will be forced into line with revenues. I can see the case for the revenue streams that you suggest, but until agents realize that their demands cannot be met, and players find that there isn't a club available with the money to meet their earnings requirement, debt will continue cast its shadow over the beautiful game. gordongull

1:46am Thu 6 Feb 14

Iangira says...

I don`t like the way it is going. I`ll give it one more season and I`m out and I`ve been with the club since 1958. Get rid of Garcia and get someone who knows the Championship. I have to pay and watch a team that plays quite honestly, boring football with one striker up front, a crap captain ( Greer ) and player and The Albion doing it all on the cheap once again. The suits are running a business, that is all it is now. We are no longer a football club, we are a corporate business who cannot deliver a product that is entertaining to the season ticket holders. Loyalty by the supporters has been tried and tested but Bloom has to deliver or make way himself. I pay my money and I expect something in return.
I don`t like the way it is going. I`ll give it one more season and I`m out and I`ve been with the club since 1958. Get rid of Garcia and get someone who knows the Championship. I have to pay and watch a team that plays quite honestly, boring football with one striker up front, a crap captain ( Greer ) and player and The Albion doing it all on the cheap once again. The suits are running a business, that is all it is now. We are no longer a football club, we are a corporate business who cannot deliver a product that is entertaining to the season ticket holders. Loyalty by the supporters has been tried and tested but Bloom has to deliver or make way himself. I pay my money and I expect something in return. Iangira

1:49am Thu 6 Feb 14

VegasSeagull says...

gordongull wrote:
Hi Vegas
If FFP works It will surely have the effect of driving down that part of the equation which has dominated football debt for decades:- player transfer fees and wages.
There will no longer be an auction without a ceiling for the best players, and wages will be forced into line with revenues.
I can see the case for the revenue streams that you suggest, but until agents realize that their demands cannot be met, and players find that there isn't a club available with the money to meet their earnings requirement, debt will continue cast its shadow over the beautiful game.
Yes you make a good point but the big clubs in the prem will always be able to spend huge sums of money on players due to their massive income streams.

Whilst the lower of the prem division clubs and all clubs in all other divisions will have to cut costs the gulf between the rich and the average is going to kill the game as we know it. When a player like Bridcutt comes along, developed by a club and wanted by one of the top money clubs, they will offer the lower fee rather than pay a higher fee, they gain we lose. The only time the prem clubs will have to spend big is when buying from each other.

The only way to ensure that the poorer clubs become solvent, whilst still being able to offer an entertaining product, is to reduce the amount of money the prem clubs receive and give more to the lower divisions. Perhaps a transfer tax could be applied to all purchases over 7.5 million, and the taxes, as a percentage of the sale price, are then shared out.

Cuts in wages of backroom staff are only good for one year, you can't save them twice. We will have to cut our losses again next year, how can we do that other than by letting good players who are on good wages go, and then what are we left with. Yes the cost of replacing them might be lower than now but when we let our good players go, we will get a lower fee for them, if we even get one. Some might have to be let go on a free because other clubs can't afford to by them as they have to also save money.

The thinking behind the FFP is good, the way they plan to implement it is wrong.
[quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: Hi Vegas If FFP works It will surely have the effect of driving down that part of the equation which has dominated football debt for decades:- player transfer fees and wages. There will no longer be an auction without a ceiling for the best players, and wages will be forced into line with revenues. I can see the case for the revenue streams that you suggest, but until agents realize that their demands cannot be met, and players find that there isn't a club available with the money to meet their earnings requirement, debt will continue cast its shadow over the beautiful game.[/p][/quote]Yes you make a good point but the big clubs in the prem will always be able to spend huge sums of money on players due to their massive income streams. Whilst the lower of the prem division clubs and all clubs in all other divisions will have to cut costs the gulf between the rich and the average is going to kill the game as we know it. When a player like Bridcutt comes along, developed by a club and wanted by one of the top money clubs, they will offer the lower fee rather than pay a higher fee, they gain we lose. The only time the prem clubs will have to spend big is when buying from each other. The only way to ensure that the poorer clubs become solvent, whilst still being able to offer an entertaining product, is to reduce the amount of money the prem clubs receive and give more to the lower divisions. Perhaps a transfer tax could be applied to all purchases over 7.5 million, and the taxes, as a percentage of the sale price, are then shared out. Cuts in wages of backroom staff are only good for one year, you can't save them twice. We will have to cut our losses again next year, how can we do that other than by letting good players who are on good wages go, and then what are we left with. Yes the cost of replacing them might be lower than now but when we let our good players go, we will get a lower fee for them, if we even get one. Some might have to be let go on a free because other clubs can't afford to by them as they have to also save money. The thinking behind the FFP is good, the way they plan to implement it is wrong. VegasSeagull

7:47am Thu 6 Feb 14

Far gull says...

Have read all comments now all valid . Does raise a lot of questions though and answer Gus 'we have hit the ceiling' ( for now imho)
Why commit last season to training ground development of 29 m ,when loses were already moving in wrong direction? I guess TB backing the development would be the answer but in buisness my bank would never sanction on the back of two years losses another spend of the order of 29 m.
We obviously backed Gus with a view to promotion last year and with hindsight 14 m loss against ,(had we been promoted ). 120m win .
In a nut shell we went for it and failed last year.
No wonder tensions were high on money and player management teams.
What's they way forward now is the million dollar question. Promotion prospects slim. Cup run continuing would be helpful. Many thanks again to Tony. But I believe we do need to avoid and allow for drop in attendances next season,further either benefactor investment ,preferably oilyarch or Arab ;-) or more realistically a share issue / fan money input share holding ie German club scenario ?. Roll on Saturday .
Have read all comments now all valid . Does raise a lot of questions though and answer Gus 'we have hit the ceiling' ( for now imho) Why commit last season to training ground development of 29 m ,when loses were already moving in wrong direction? I guess TB backing the development would be the answer but in buisness my bank would never sanction on the back of two years losses another spend of the order of 29 m. We obviously backed Gus with a view to promotion last year and with hindsight 14 m loss against ,(had we been promoted ). 120m win . In a nut shell we went for it and failed last year. No wonder tensions were high on money and player management teams. What's they way forward now is the million dollar question. Promotion prospects slim. Cup run continuing would be helpful. Many thanks again to Tony. But I believe we do need to avoid and allow for drop in attendances next season,further either benefactor investment ,preferably oilyarch or Arab ;-) or more realistically a share issue / fan money input share holding ie German club scenario ?. Roll on Saturday . Far gull

8:35am Thu 6 Feb 14

Albion In Staffs says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
gordongull wrote:
Hi Vegas
If FFP works It will surely have the effect of driving down that part of the equation which has dominated football debt for decades:- player transfer fees and wages.
There will no longer be an auction without a ceiling for the best players, and wages will be forced into line with revenues.
I can see the case for the revenue streams that you suggest, but until agents realize that their demands cannot be met, and players find that there isn't a club available with the money to meet their earnings requirement, debt will continue cast its shadow over the beautiful game.
Yes you make a good point but the big clubs in the prem will always be able to spend huge sums of money on players due to their massive income streams.

Whilst the lower of the prem division clubs and all clubs in all other divisions will have to cut costs the gulf between the rich and the average is going to kill the game as we know it. When a player like Bridcutt comes along, developed by a club and wanted by one of the top money clubs, they will offer the lower fee rather than pay a higher fee, they gain we lose. The only time the prem clubs will have to spend big is when buying from each other.

The only way to ensure that the poorer clubs become solvent, whilst still being able to offer an entertaining product, is to reduce the amount of money the prem clubs receive and give more to the lower divisions. Perhaps a transfer tax could be applied to all purchases over 7.5 million, and the taxes, as a percentage of the sale price, are then shared out.

Cuts in wages of backroom staff are only good for one year, you can't save them twice. We will have to cut our losses again next year, how can we do that other than by letting good players who are on good wages go, and then what are we left with. Yes the cost of replacing them might be lower than now but when we let our good players go, we will get a lower fee for them, if we even get one. Some might have to be let go on a free because other clubs can't afford to by them as they have to also save money.

The thinking behind the FFP is good, the way they plan to implement it is wrong.
FFP is implemented to operate within the current system which is obviously weighted heavily in favour of the big clubs. And the current system is voted on by the clubs so, for example levying a transfer tax on major fees is simply never going to be given the green light. Turkey's voted for Christmas and all that. The associations and federations can't make the rules without approval from their shareholders and basically, the system ensures the bigger clubs and their revenue streams are protected as the Premier League has been developed to ensure the only ones who can change that are at the top - hence why FFP is structured as it is - it has to work within the current framework. QED
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: Hi Vegas If FFP works It will surely have the effect of driving down that part of the equation which has dominated football debt for decades:- player transfer fees and wages. There will no longer be an auction without a ceiling for the best players, and wages will be forced into line with revenues. I can see the case for the revenue streams that you suggest, but until agents realize that their demands cannot be met, and players find that there isn't a club available with the money to meet their earnings requirement, debt will continue cast its shadow over the beautiful game.[/p][/quote]Yes you make a good point but the big clubs in the prem will always be able to spend huge sums of money on players due to their massive income streams. Whilst the lower of the prem division clubs and all clubs in all other divisions will have to cut costs the gulf between the rich and the average is going to kill the game as we know it. When a player like Bridcutt comes along, developed by a club and wanted by one of the top money clubs, they will offer the lower fee rather than pay a higher fee, they gain we lose. The only time the prem clubs will have to spend big is when buying from each other. The only way to ensure that the poorer clubs become solvent, whilst still being able to offer an entertaining product, is to reduce the amount of money the prem clubs receive and give more to the lower divisions. Perhaps a transfer tax could be applied to all purchases over 7.5 million, and the taxes, as a percentage of the sale price, are then shared out. Cuts in wages of backroom staff are only good for one year, you can't save them twice. We will have to cut our losses again next year, how can we do that other than by letting good players who are on good wages go, and then what are we left with. Yes the cost of replacing them might be lower than now but when we let our good players go, we will get a lower fee for them, if we even get one. Some might have to be let go on a free because other clubs can't afford to by them as they have to also save money. The thinking behind the FFP is good, the way they plan to implement it is wrong.[/p][/quote]FFP is implemented to operate within the current system which is obviously weighted heavily in favour of the big clubs. And the current system is voted on by the clubs so, for example levying a transfer tax on major fees is simply never going to be given the green light. Turkey's voted for Christmas and all that. The associations and federations can't make the rules without approval from their shareholders and basically, the system ensures the bigger clubs and their revenue streams are protected as the Premier League has been developed to ensure the only ones who can change that are at the top - hence why FFP is structured as it is - it has to work within the current framework. QED Albion In Staffs

1:12pm Thu 6 Feb 14

Gamley's factory says...

Shed's a slightly different light on all the Championship Manager players who were suggesting we ought to have 4 million pounds to spend, either in the window just gone, or in the summer. That is a substantial loss and I for one will be contacting the club to see if they might itemize these expenses!
Shed's a slightly different light on all the Championship Manager players who were suggesting we ought to have 4 million pounds to spend, either in the window just gone, or in the summer. That is a substantial loss and I for one will be contacting the club to see if they might itemize these expenses! Gamley's factory

1:24pm Thu 6 Feb 14

tinker111 says...

Dolph Ins wrote:
Can all of you on here who keep asking Tony to open his wallet apologise now please.
NO NO don't believe what I hear Barber says due to player signing and wages and he wants gates to increase to reduce loss ,well gates will only increase when Team improves and I forecast that season ticket sales will go DOWN for next season unless team is strengthened. never going to be a big deal in window sales have gone in pot(BARBERS).
[quote][p][bold]Dolph Ins[/bold] wrote: Can all of you on here who keep asking Tony to open his wallet apologise now please.[/p][/quote]NO NO don't believe what I hear Barber says due to player signing and wages and he wants gates to increase to reduce loss ,well gates will only increase when Team improves and I forecast that season ticket sales will go DOWN for next season unless team is strengthened. never going to be a big deal in window sales have gone in pot(BARBERS). tinker111

1:29pm Thu 6 Feb 14

Yorkieseagull says...

Gamley's factory wrote:
Shed's a slightly different light on all the Championship Manager players who were suggesting we ought to have 4 million pounds to spend, either in the window just gone, or in the summer. That is a substantial loss and I for one will be contacting the club to see if they might itemize these expenses!
It's not actually any of your business, any more than you contacting BT or Tesco or M&S to expect them to justify their accounts to you. You, me and most of the other commentators on here are customers who have a choice to spend our money on watching the Albion or doing something else with it. It helps to be a 'plastic neutral' as I am, but no less interested in seeing an entertaining match in which we score more than them, for all that.
[quote][p][bold]Gamley's factory[/bold] wrote: Shed's a slightly different light on all the Championship Manager players who were suggesting we ought to have 4 million pounds to spend, either in the window just gone, or in the summer. That is a substantial loss and I for one will be contacting the club to see if they might itemize these expenses![/p][/quote]It's not actually any of your business, any more than you contacting BT or Tesco or M&S to expect them to justify their accounts to you. You, me and most of the other commentators on here are customers who have a choice to spend our money on watching the Albion or doing something else with it. It helps to be a 'plastic neutral' as I am, but no less interested in seeing an entertaining match in which we score more than them, for all that. Yorkieseagull

1:37pm Thu 6 Feb 14

Gamley's factory says...

Yorkieseagull wrote:
Gamley's factory wrote:
Shed's a slightly different light on all the Championship Manager players who were suggesting we ought to have 4 million pounds to spend, either in the window just gone, or in the summer. That is a substantial loss and I for one will be contacting the club to see if they might itemize these expenses!
It's not actually any of your business, any more than you contacting BT or Tesco or M&S to expect them to justify their accounts to you. You, me and most of the other commentators on here are customers who have a choice to spend our money on watching the Albion or doing something else with it. It helps to be a 'plastic neutral' as I am, but no less interested in seeing an entertaining match in which we score more than them, for all that.
Fair enough, mate, I respect you opinion. I just feel that football clubs are institutions of cultural significance and supporters have a right to understand the direction the clubs going in and for what purpose. I haven't forgiven or forgotten the guys that almost ran this club into extinction the last time, and feel that AGM's etc are a great way for fans to make a contribution.
[quote][p][bold]Yorkieseagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gamley's factory[/bold] wrote: Shed's a slightly different light on all the Championship Manager players who were suggesting we ought to have 4 million pounds to spend, either in the window just gone, or in the summer. That is a substantial loss and I for one will be contacting the club to see if they might itemize these expenses![/p][/quote]It's not actually any of your business, any more than you contacting BT or Tesco or M&S to expect them to justify their accounts to you. You, me and most of the other commentators on here are customers who have a choice to spend our money on watching the Albion or doing something else with it. It helps to be a 'plastic neutral' as I am, but no less interested in seeing an entertaining match in which we score more than them, for all that.[/p][/quote]Fair enough, mate, I respect you opinion. I just feel that football clubs are institutions of cultural significance and supporters have a right to understand the direction the clubs going in and for what purpose. I haven't forgiven or forgotten the guys that almost ran this club into extinction the last time, and feel that AGM's etc are a great way for fans to make a contribution. Gamley's factory

1:39pm Thu 6 Feb 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
gordongull wrote:
Hi Vegas
If FFP works It will surely have the effect of driving down that part of the equation which has dominated football debt for decades:- player transfer fees and wages.
There will no longer be an auction without a ceiling for the best players, and wages will be forced into line with revenues.
I can see the case for the revenue streams that you suggest, but until agents realize that their demands cannot be met, and players find that there isn't a club available with the money to meet their earnings requirement, debt will continue cast its shadow over the beautiful game.
Yes you make a good point but the big clubs in the prem will always be able to spend huge sums of money on players due to their massive income streams.

Whilst the lower of the prem division clubs and all clubs in all other divisions will have to cut costs the gulf between the rich and the average is going to kill the game as we know it. When a player like Bridcutt comes along, developed by a club and wanted by one of the top money clubs, they will offer the lower fee rather than pay a higher fee, they gain we lose. The only time the prem clubs will have to spend big is when buying from each other.

The only way to ensure that the poorer clubs become solvent, whilst still being able to offer an entertaining product, is to reduce the amount of money the prem clubs receive and give more to the lower divisions. Perhaps a transfer tax could be applied to all purchases over 7.5 million, and the taxes, as a percentage of the sale price, are then shared out.

Cuts in wages of backroom staff are only good for one year, you can't save them twice. We will have to cut our losses again next year, how can we do that other than by letting good players who are on good wages go, and then what are we left with. Yes the cost of replacing them might be lower than now but when we let our good players go, we will get a lower fee for them, if we even get one. Some might have to be let go on a free because other clubs can't afford to by them as they have to also save money.

The thinking behind the FFP is good, the way they plan to implement it is wrong.
Just thinking about one part of what you say: "Cuts in wages of backroom staff are only good for one year, you can't save them twice."

These are surely ongoing savings, whereas in the reported year savings would have been be negated to some extent by severance payments.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: Hi Vegas If FFP works It will surely have the effect of driving down that part of the equation which has dominated football debt for decades:- player transfer fees and wages. There will no longer be an auction without a ceiling for the best players, and wages will be forced into line with revenues. I can see the case for the revenue streams that you suggest, but until agents realize that their demands cannot be met, and players find that there isn't a club available with the money to meet their earnings requirement, debt will continue cast its shadow over the beautiful game.[/p][/quote]Yes you make a good point but the big clubs in the prem will always be able to spend huge sums of money on players due to their massive income streams. Whilst the lower of the prem division clubs and all clubs in all other divisions will have to cut costs the gulf between the rich and the average is going to kill the game as we know it. When a player like Bridcutt comes along, developed by a club and wanted by one of the top money clubs, they will offer the lower fee rather than pay a higher fee, they gain we lose. The only time the prem clubs will have to spend big is when buying from each other. The only way to ensure that the poorer clubs become solvent, whilst still being able to offer an entertaining product, is to reduce the amount of money the prem clubs receive and give more to the lower divisions. Perhaps a transfer tax could be applied to all purchases over 7.5 million, and the taxes, as a percentage of the sale price, are then shared out. Cuts in wages of backroom staff are only good for one year, you can't save them twice. We will have to cut our losses again next year, how can we do that other than by letting good players who are on good wages go, and then what are we left with. Yes the cost of replacing them might be lower than now but when we let our good players go, we will get a lower fee for them, if we even get one. Some might have to be let go on a free because other clubs can't afford to by them as they have to also save money. The thinking behind the FFP is good, the way they plan to implement it is wrong.[/p][/quote]Just thinking about one part of what you say: "Cuts in wages of backroom staff are only good for one year, you can't save them twice." These are surely ongoing savings, whereas in the reported year savings would have been be negated to some extent by severance payments. Ex-pat Arnie

1:42pm Thu 6 Feb 14

the taffster says...

why waste millions on a new training facility.all that's needed is a large field with goals....I remember when the albion trained at angmering......whats wrong with similar.....need to cut the cloth accordingly/
why waste millions on a new training facility.all that's needed is a large field with goals....I remember when the albion trained at angmering......whats wrong with similar.....need to cut the cloth accordingly/ the taffster

2:29pm Thu 6 Feb 14

Gamley's factory says...

the taffster wrote:
why waste millions on a new training facility.all that's needed is a large field with goals....I remember when the albion trained at angmering......whats wrong with similar.....need to cut the cloth accordingly/
You've got a point, mate. I guess the training facilities are to bring through some quality kids, another Gareth Barry, maybe, but I totally see where your coming from.
[quote][p][bold]the taffster[/bold] wrote: why waste millions on a new training facility.all that's needed is a large field with goals....I remember when the albion trained at angmering......whats wrong with similar.....need to cut the cloth accordingly/[/p][/quote]You've got a point, mate. I guess the training facilities are to bring through some quality kids, another Gareth Barry, maybe, but I totally see where your coming from. Gamley's factory

3:56pm Thu 6 Feb 14

northeastpylon says...

Sorry Iangira but don't see where you are coming from on this one.

"Bloom has to deliver or make way himself" !

State of the art stadium delivered,first rate training facility on the way.All at huge financial cost toTB. I would suggest he as delivered big time!
Sorry Iangira but don't see where you are coming from on this one. "Bloom has to deliver or make way himself" ! State of the art stadium delivered,first rate training facility on the way.All at huge financial cost toTB. I would suggest he as delivered big time! northeastpylon

7:30pm Thu 6 Feb 14

OldGull says...

Iangira wrote:
I don`t like the way it is going. I`ll give it one more season and I`m out and I`ve been with the club since 1958. Get rid of Garcia and get someone who knows the Championship. I have to pay and watch a team that plays quite honestly, boring football with one striker up front, a crap captain ( Greer ) and player and The Albion doing it all on the cheap once again. The suits are running a business, that is all it is now. We are no longer a football club, we are a corporate business who cannot deliver a product that is entertaining to the season ticket holders. Loyalty by the supporters has been tried and tested but Bloom has to deliver or make way himself. I pay my money and I expect something in return.
To be totally honest, I do not believe you.
Did you turn up at the end of the goldstone, then gillingham & withdean?
I suspect not.
You returned once we had the Amex.

A REAL supporter would recognise how far we have come in the last few years.
TB has given us an amazing stadium and now you want him to step aside.
May I suggest you dont give it another season. Just GO now
[quote][p][bold]Iangira[/bold] wrote: I don`t like the way it is going. I`ll give it one more season and I`m out and I`ve been with the club since 1958. Get rid of Garcia and get someone who knows the Championship. I have to pay and watch a team that plays quite honestly, boring football with one striker up front, a crap captain ( Greer ) and player and The Albion doing it all on the cheap once again. The suits are running a business, that is all it is now. We are no longer a football club, we are a corporate business who cannot deliver a product that is entertaining to the season ticket holders. Loyalty by the supporters has been tried and tested but Bloom has to deliver or make way himself. I pay my money and I expect something in return.[/p][/quote]To be totally honest, I do not believe you. Did you turn up at the end of the goldstone, then gillingham & withdean? I suspect not. You returned once we had the Amex. A REAL supporter would recognise how far we have come in the last few years. TB has given us an amazing stadium and now you want him to step aside. May I suggest you dont give it another season. Just GO now OldGull

1:18pm Fri 7 Feb 14

the taffster says...

OldGull wrote:
Iangira wrote:
I don`t like the way it is going. I`ll give it one more season and I`m out and I`ve been with the club since 1958. Get rid of Garcia and get someone who knows the Championship. I have to pay and watch a team that plays quite honestly, boring football with one striker up front, a crap captain ( Greer ) and player and The Albion doing it all on the cheap once again. The suits are running a business, that is all it is now. We are no longer a football club, we are a corporate business who cannot deliver a product that is entertaining to the season ticket holders. Loyalty by the supporters has been tried and tested but Bloom has to deliver or make way himself. I pay my money and I expect something in return.
To be totally honest, I do not believe you.
Did you turn up at the end of the goldstone, then gillingham & withdean?
I suspect not.
You returned once we had the Amex.

A REAL supporter would recognise how far we have come in the last few years.
TB has given us an amazing stadium and now you want him to step aside.
May I suggest you dont give it another season. Just GO now
Garcia is testing the fans patience with his tactics.he appears to be the sam allardyce of the championship......pl
ay 2 upfront man.....greer and the rest of the defenders look like they have a mistake in their game too.......
[quote][p][bold]OldGull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Iangira[/bold] wrote: I don`t like the way it is going. I`ll give it one more season and I`m out and I`ve been with the club since 1958. Get rid of Garcia and get someone who knows the Championship. I have to pay and watch a team that plays quite honestly, boring football with one striker up front, a crap captain ( Greer ) and player and The Albion doing it all on the cheap once again. The suits are running a business, that is all it is now. We are no longer a football club, we are a corporate business who cannot deliver a product that is entertaining to the season ticket holders. Loyalty by the supporters has been tried and tested but Bloom has to deliver or make way himself. I pay my money and I expect something in return.[/p][/quote]To be totally honest, I do not believe you. Did you turn up at the end of the goldstone, then gillingham & withdean? I suspect not. You returned once we had the Amex. A REAL supporter would recognise how far we have come in the last few years. TB has given us an amazing stadium and now you want him to step aside. May I suggest you dont give it another season. Just GO now[/p][/quote]Garcia is testing the fans patience with his tactics.he appears to be the sam allardyce of the championship......pl ay 2 upfront man.....greer and the rest of the defenders look like they have a mistake in their game too....... the taffster

8:34am Mon 10 Feb 14

Captain Haddock says...

the taffster wrote:
why waste millions on a new training facility.all that's needed is a large field with goals....I remember when the albion trained at angmering......whats wrong with similar.....need to cut the cloth accordingly/
Yes because quality players faced with choices will surely choose us and our "big field with goals" rather than a state-of-the-art facility elsewhere. Also youth players we have consistently lost to Saints, Palace, etc are suddenly going to be attracted to stay in Sussex by that field. Can just see their parents recommending it.

No training facility, no youth development of genuine significance..
[quote][p][bold]the taffster[/bold] wrote: why waste millions on a new training facility.all that's needed is a large field with goals....I remember when the albion trained at angmering......whats wrong with similar.....need to cut the cloth accordingly/[/p][/quote]Yes because quality players faced with choices will surely choose us and our "big field with goals" rather than a state-of-the-art facility elsewhere. Also youth players we have consistently lost to Saints, Palace, etc are suddenly going to be attracted to stay in Sussex by that field. Can just see their parents recommending it. No training facility, no youth development of genuine significance.. Captain Haddock

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