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Lucky charm Ince in line for Albion comeback

The Argus: Rohan Ince. Albion have won or drawn 16 of 18 Championship games with him in the side. Rohan Ince. Albion have won or drawn 16 of 18 Championship games with him in the side.

Albion will be boosted by the return of lucky charm Rohan Ince for Saturday's visit of Doncaster Rovers.

But Oscar Garcia is likely to be without two other central midfielders, Keith Andrews and Jake Forster-Caskey.

Ince has returned to training after missing Sunday's 2-0 defeat at Watford with a minor foot injury.

Andrews has a hamstring problem and Forster-Caskey is still under treatment for a similar injury which forced him off in the first half at Vicarage Road.

Albion have lost only two of the 18 Championship matches Ince has been involved in since breaking into the team this season.

The Seagulls have been beaten in six, drawn three and won only one of their League games without the former Chelsea prospect - at Doncaster in November.

Meanwhile, Will Buckley has resumed training for the first time since suffering more hamstring trouble at Blackpool on December 29.

The Doncaster game may come too soon for the right-winger but he is on course for a return to the squad during Albion's sequence of four home matches in succession.

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12:01pm Thu 6 Feb 14

impose our game gull says...

It may be "luck" but is mainly that Ince makes a real, positive difference.

Buckley is rarely good first 3 - 4 matches back after each injury so I'll not get my hopes up too swiftly on that one .... ideally he'd be sub coming on 3 - 4 times first (unless we want to be sentimental re Doncaster 2011!)

March on with March - confidence and can better open up defences based on recent form - Kazenga too
It may be "luck" but is mainly that Ince makes a real, positive difference. Buckley is rarely good first 3 - 4 matches back after each injury so I'll not get my hopes up too swiftly on that one .... ideally he'd be sub coming on 3 - 4 times first (unless we want to be sentimental re Doncaster 2011!) March on with March - confidence and can better open up defences based on recent form - Kazenga too impose our game gull
  • Score: 20

12:11pm Thu 6 Feb 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

It's incredible how important Ince has become to the team in so short a space of time. When he first made an appearance in the first team my first thought was "Wow, we're really short of players today" but he has been a revelation and proof (if proof is still needed) that OG knows what he's doing with regards to youngsters coming through the ranks.
It's incredible how important Ince has become to the team in so short a space of time. When he first made an appearance in the first team my first thought was "Wow, we're really short of players today" but he has been a revelation and proof (if proof is still needed) that OG knows what he's doing with regards to youngsters coming through the ranks. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 21

12:28pm Thu 6 Feb 14

mark by the sea says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
It's incredible how important Ince has become to the team in so short a space of time. When he first made an appearance in the first team my first thought was "Wow, we're really short of players today" but he has been a revelation and proof (if proof is still needed) that OG knows what he's doing with regards to youngsters coming through the ranks.
The youngsters coming through? Ince was here ten months before his debut,
March is a prospect, as for Forster - caskey it's about time he performed, he is languishing in a state of poor form .. Lacks physical strength and has no pace whatsoever..
The real picture is clubs like Chelsea' arsenal and spurs are rejecting better than our youth set up, ie bridcutt. Ince are producing..
On another thread we turned down two million pound bids for Buckley and ulloa .. At this moment in time we don't have anyone worth a million...
The refusal of a 1 m plus bid for Buckley was a mistake.. I hope he proves me wrong.
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: It's incredible how important Ince has become to the team in so short a space of time. When he first made an appearance in the first team my first thought was "Wow, we're really short of players today" but he has been a revelation and proof (if proof is still needed) that OG knows what he's doing with regards to youngsters coming through the ranks.[/p][/quote]The youngsters coming through? Ince was here ten months before his debut, March is a prospect, as for Forster - caskey it's about time he performed, he is languishing in a state of poor form .. Lacks physical strength and has no pace whatsoever.. The real picture is clubs like Chelsea' arsenal and spurs are rejecting better than our youth set up, ie bridcutt. Ince are producing.. On another thread we turned down two million pound bids for Buckley and ulloa .. At this moment in time we don't have anyone worth a million... The refusal of a 1 m plus bid for Buckley was a mistake.. I hope he proves me wrong. mark by the sea
  • Score: -40

12:49pm Thu 6 Feb 14

lotsofducks says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
It's incredible how important Ince has become to the team in so short a space of time. When he first made an appearance in the first team my first thought was "Wow, we're really short of players today" but he has been a revelation and proof (if proof is still needed) that OG knows what he's doing with regards to youngsters coming through the ranks.
The youngsters coming through? Ince was here ten months before his debut,
March is a prospect, as for Forster - caskey it's about time he performed, he is languishing in a state of poor form .. Lacks physical strength and has no pace whatsoever..
The real picture is clubs like Chelsea' arsenal and spurs are rejecting better than our youth set up, ie bridcutt. Ince are producing..
On another thread we turned down two million pound bids for Buckley and ulloa .. At this moment in time we don't have anyone worth a million...
The refusal of a 1 m plus bid for Buckley was a mistake.. I hope he proves me wrong.
What a load of tosh! Ulloa is worth more than any bidder was prepared to offer, which is why we didn't sell him. So's Buckley if he's fit. My only criticism of Albion management is that Bridcutt was worth more that Sunderland paid for him - 5 million of anyone's cash in my view. Just look at the really ordinary players that have been traded for over 5 million recently!

Ince, F-C and March are all young, so they'll have off days, but its hardly their fault if managers take a long time to see that they are good enough to play in the first team!
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: It's incredible how important Ince has become to the team in so short a space of time. When he first made an appearance in the first team my first thought was "Wow, we're really short of players today" but he has been a revelation and proof (if proof is still needed) that OG knows what he's doing with regards to youngsters coming through the ranks.[/p][/quote]The youngsters coming through? Ince was here ten months before his debut, March is a prospect, as for Forster - caskey it's about time he performed, he is languishing in a state of poor form .. Lacks physical strength and has no pace whatsoever.. The real picture is clubs like Chelsea' arsenal and spurs are rejecting better than our youth set up, ie bridcutt. Ince are producing.. On another thread we turned down two million pound bids for Buckley and ulloa .. At this moment in time we don't have anyone worth a million... The refusal of a 1 m plus bid for Buckley was a mistake.. I hope he proves me wrong.[/p][/quote]What a load of tosh! Ulloa is worth more than any bidder was prepared to offer, which is why we didn't sell him. So's Buckley if he's fit. My only criticism of Albion management is that Bridcutt was worth more that Sunderland paid for him - 5 million of anyone's cash in my view. Just look at the really ordinary players that have been traded for over 5 million recently! Ince, F-C and March are all young, so they'll have off days, but its hardly their fault if managers take a long time to see that they are good enough to play in the first team! lotsofducks
  • Score: 22

12:58pm Thu 6 Feb 14

russellsnr2 says...

What a change to read some good news at last.
After reading the report on the Financial Fair Play regulations and the £14.7m lose.
As for Buckley I see no reason not to include him in any team
all players have bad times all Buckley needs is the fans to get behind him the next time he plays.
Selling Bridcutt was the best option as he had lost commitment to the club once the cash register started ringing.
Must be better to have players like Caskey who although not shown his full worth yet will I'm sure come into his own in the very near future.
What a change to read some good news at last. After reading the report on the Financial Fair Play regulations and the £14.7m lose. As for Buckley I see no reason not to include him in any team all players have bad times all Buckley needs is the fans to get behind him the next time he plays. Selling Bridcutt was the best option as he had lost commitment to the club once the cash register started ringing. Must be better to have players like Caskey who although not shown his full worth yet will I'm sure come into his own in the very near future. russellsnr2
  • Score: 6

1:04pm Thu 6 Feb 14

Joel'sGrandad says...

I'm a bit concerned we appear to be a one man team.
Welcome back Rohan but I think we need others to be stepping up to the plate in the same fashion. UTA
I'm a bit concerned we appear to be a one man team. Welcome back Rohan but I think we need others to be stepping up to the plate in the same fashion. UTA Joel'sGrandad
  • Score: 6

1:13pm Thu 6 Feb 14

rolivan says...

The league table shows that even though there was a major upheaval at the club towards the end of last season we haven't come out of it too badly.There are other teams that were expected to outperform us and some of those above us and have not. Maybe somebody could put together the value of the players we have now as against their value last year.I am sure OG has added value to a fair few of the youngsters which the previos management team did not.
The league table shows that even though there was a major upheaval at the club towards the end of last season we haven't come out of it too badly.There are other teams that were expected to outperform us and some of those above us and have not. Maybe somebody could put together the value of the players we have now as against their value last year.I am sure OG has added value to a fair few of the youngsters which the previos management team did not. rolivan
  • Score: 7

1:20pm Thu 6 Feb 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
It's incredible how important Ince has become to the team in so short a space of time. When he first made an appearance in the first team my first thought was "Wow, we're really short of players today" but he has been a revelation and proof (if proof is still needed) that OG knows what he's doing with regards to youngsters coming through the ranks.
The youngsters coming through? Ince was here ten months before his debut,
March is a prospect, as for Forster - caskey it's about time he performed, he is languishing in a state of poor form .. Lacks physical strength and has no pace whatsoever..
The real picture is clubs like Chelsea' arsenal and spurs are rejecting better than our youth set up, ie bridcutt. Ince are producing..
On another thread we turned down two million pound bids for Buckley and ulloa .. At this moment in time we don't have anyone worth a million...
The refusal of a 1 m plus bid for Buckley was a mistake.. I hope he proves me wrong.
I'm really not sure of your point re Ince. Yes he was here ten months before his debut, but how much of that was before OG took over? Poyet would not have blooded him so soon, and certainly not in midfield.

And Chelsea and other top Premier League clubs produce better young players than we do? Well no sh!t Sherlock! What kind of point are you trying to make with that?

And "we don't have anyone worth a million", well words fail me as we demonstrably do.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: It's incredible how important Ince has become to the team in so short a space of time. When he first made an appearance in the first team my first thought was "Wow, we're really short of players today" but he has been a revelation and proof (if proof is still needed) that OG knows what he's doing with regards to youngsters coming through the ranks.[/p][/quote]The youngsters coming through? Ince was here ten months before his debut, March is a prospect, as for Forster - caskey it's about time he performed, he is languishing in a state of poor form .. Lacks physical strength and has no pace whatsoever.. The real picture is clubs like Chelsea' arsenal and spurs are rejecting better than our youth set up, ie bridcutt. Ince are producing.. On another thread we turned down two million pound bids for Buckley and ulloa .. At this moment in time we don't have anyone worth a million... The refusal of a 1 m plus bid for Buckley was a mistake.. I hope he proves me wrong.[/p][/quote]I'm really not sure of your point re Ince. Yes he was here ten months before his debut, but how much of that was before OG took over? Poyet would not have blooded him so soon, and certainly not in midfield. And Chelsea and other top Premier League clubs produce better young players than we do? Well no sh!t Sherlock! What kind of point are you trying to make with that? And "we don't have anyone worth a million", well words fail me as we demonstrably do. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 14

1:20pm Thu 6 Feb 14

mark by the sea says...

lotsofducks wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
It's incredible how important Ince has become to the team in so short a space of time. When he first made an appearance in the first team my first thought was "Wow, we're really short of players today" but he has been a revelation and proof (if proof is still needed) that OG knows what he's doing with regards to youngsters coming through the ranks.
The youngsters coming through? Ince was here ten months before his debut,
March is a prospect, as for Forster - caskey it's about time he performed, he is languishing in a state of poor form .. Lacks physical strength and has no pace whatsoever..
The real picture is clubs like Chelsea' arsenal and spurs are rejecting better than our youth set up, ie bridcutt. Ince are producing..
On another thread we turned down two million pound bids for Buckley and ulloa .. At this moment in time we don't have anyone worth a million...
The refusal of a 1 m plus bid for Buckley was a mistake.. I hope he proves me wrong.
What a load of tosh! Ulloa is worth more than any bidder was prepared to offer, which is why we didn't sell him. So's Buckley if he's fit. My only criticism of Albion management is that Bridcutt was worth more that Sunderland paid for him - 5 million of anyone's cash in my view. Just look at the really ordinary players that have been traded for over 5 million recently!

Ince, F-C and March are all young, so they'll have off days, but its hardly their fault if managers take a long time to see that they are good enough to play in the first team!
There is the gulf, Forster caskey made his debut about three years ago, ince.6 months ago... Lose ince and our midfield is weak, caskey is struggling to get in the 18 .
I don't disagree regarding Buckley, his ability is there, I just wonder when we will actually see it, or him play 3 games in a row... If we are paying him say 10k a week, and he plays 15 times a season he is too expensive .. Same with lua lua.
[quote][p][bold]lotsofducks[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: It's incredible how important Ince has become to the team in so short a space of time. When he first made an appearance in the first team my first thought was "Wow, we're really short of players today" but he has been a revelation and proof (if proof is still needed) that OG knows what he's doing with regards to youngsters coming through the ranks.[/p][/quote]The youngsters coming through? Ince was here ten months before his debut, March is a prospect, as for Forster - caskey it's about time he performed, he is languishing in a state of poor form .. Lacks physical strength and has no pace whatsoever.. The real picture is clubs like Chelsea' arsenal and spurs are rejecting better than our youth set up, ie bridcutt. Ince are producing.. On another thread we turned down two million pound bids for Buckley and ulloa .. At this moment in time we don't have anyone worth a million... The refusal of a 1 m plus bid for Buckley was a mistake.. I hope he proves me wrong.[/p][/quote]What a load of tosh! Ulloa is worth more than any bidder was prepared to offer, which is why we didn't sell him. So's Buckley if he's fit. My only criticism of Albion management is that Bridcutt was worth more that Sunderland paid for him - 5 million of anyone's cash in my view. Just look at the really ordinary players that have been traded for over 5 million recently! Ince, F-C and March are all young, so they'll have off days, but its hardly their fault if managers take a long time to see that they are good enough to play in the first team![/p][/quote]There is the gulf, Forster caskey made his debut about three years ago, ince.6 months ago... Lose ince and our midfield is weak, caskey is struggling to get in the 18 . I don't disagree regarding Buckley, his ability is there, I just wonder when we will actually see it, or him play 3 games in a row... If we are paying him say 10k a week, and he plays 15 times a season he is too expensive .. Same with lua lua. mark by the sea
  • Score: -9

1:24pm Thu 6 Feb 14

Gamley's factory says...

This guy is a class act and without him and Andrews, it will probably be up to Stephens to be that ball winning tough guy in midfield, though I understand he can play a more advanced role.
This guy is a class act and without him and Andrews, it will probably be up to Stephens to be that ball winning tough guy in midfield, though I understand he can play a more advanced role. Gamley's factory
  • Score: 10

1:52pm Thu 6 Feb 14

mark by the sea says...

My point about caskey is it's time for him to make the starting 11 on merit, not because we have injuries,
My point about caskey is it's time for him to make the starting 11 on merit, not because we have injuries, mark by the sea
  • Score: 0

1:53pm Thu 6 Feb 14

VegasSeagull says...

The monetary value of a player means zip if they are injured, in fact their monetary value doesn't even mean much when they are not injured, the real value in any player is what they do on the park. If Ince can do the job that Bridcutt once did for us, that does not make Ince worth 3 million, but to our points tally, his value is very high in terms of what he brings to the match. Upson, maybe, at his age, 500K but to team his contribution on the park is priceless.

As the FFP rules start to bite, once punishments start getting handed out, all players at our level and below will see their monetary value decrease, and the same will apply to many of the prem fringe players.
The day will come when the, 're-set,' button will be clicked, probably this coming summer, I would not be surprised to see a drop in transfer and wage levels by as much as a third, at our level and below and for some prem players.
The monetary value of a player means zip if they are injured, in fact their monetary value doesn't even mean much when they are not injured, the real value in any player is what they do on the park. If Ince can do the job that Bridcutt once did for us, that does not make Ince worth 3 million, but to our points tally, his value is very high in terms of what he brings to the match. Upson, maybe, at his age, 500K but to team his contribution on the park is priceless. As the FFP rules start to bite, once punishments start getting handed out, all players at our level and below will see their monetary value decrease, and the same will apply to many of the prem fringe players. The day will come when the, 're-set,' button will be clicked, probably this coming summer, I would not be surprised to see a drop in transfer and wage levels by as much as a third, at our level and below and for some prem players. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 4

2:04pm Thu 6 Feb 14

kipper12 says...

our problem now is scoring goals !! with ulloa off his game , barnes gone and crofty injured i cant see who else will bang em in !!!
our problem now is scoring goals !! with ulloa off his game , barnes gone and crofty injured i cant see who else will bang em in !!! kipper12
  • Score: -1

2:18pm Thu 6 Feb 14

russellsnr2 says...

kipper12 wrote:
our problem now is scoring goals !! with ulloa off his game , barnes gone and crofty injured i cant see who else will bang em in !!!
David Rodriguez and Craig Mackail-Smith to name two!!
[quote][p][bold]kipper12[/bold] wrote: our problem now is scoring goals !! with ulloa off his game , barnes gone and crofty injured i cant see who else will bang em in !!![/p][/quote]David Rodriguez and Craig Mackail-Smith to name two!! russellsnr2
  • Score: 8

2:35pm Thu 6 Feb 14

wiseman of hove says...

Excellent news that Ince is back. I certainly share MBTS's comments regarding Forster-Caskey. I think he is palpably out of his depth at this level but if Oscar is the coach we are all told he is, then JFC might make the grade.
Excellent news that Ince is back. I certainly share MBTS's comments regarding Forster-Caskey. I think he is palpably out of his depth at this level but if Oscar is the coach we are all told he is, then JFC might make the grade. wiseman of hove
  • Score: -3

3:15pm Thu 6 Feb 14

gilbertthecat says...

russellsnr2 wrote:
kipper12 wrote: our problem now is scoring goals !! with ulloa off his game , barnes gone and crofty injured i cant see who else will bang em in !!!
David Rodriguez and Craig Mackail-Smith to name two!!
And in any case has LU gone off his game? It seems to me that he's simply not getting the service to do what he did so effectively last year and occasionally this season. We won't really know what form he's in until he gets that service. Barnes wasn't banging them in when LU was injured was he? Yes I know Barnes sometimes couldn't hit a barn door from 5 yards but the service issues were there for him as well - it is a team game after all.

Be very interesting to see what difference the return of CMS and the arrival of SD2 will make, So looking forward to Saturday - except will possibly be wearing oilskins with this weather!
[quote][p][bold]russellsnr2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kipper12[/bold] wrote: our problem now is scoring goals !! with ulloa off his game , barnes gone and crofty injured i cant see who else will bang em in !!![/p][/quote]David Rodriguez and Craig Mackail-Smith to name two!![/p][/quote]And in any case has LU gone off his game? It seems to me that he's simply not getting the service to do what he did so effectively last year and occasionally this season. We won't really know what form he's in until he gets that service. Barnes wasn't banging them in when LU was injured was he? Yes I know Barnes sometimes couldn't hit a barn door from 5 yards but the service issues were there for him as well - it is a team game after all. Be very interesting to see what difference the return of CMS and the arrival of SD2 will make, So looking forward to Saturday - except will possibly be wearing oilskins with this weather! gilbertthecat
  • Score: 2

3:20pm Thu 6 Feb 14

Eddy B says...

Great news that Ince is almost certainly going to start on Saturday (although the injury news coming out of Gus's camp was rarely true). No great loss with respect to Andrews and JFC to be honest and if I was Augestein, and fit, and don't get a call this Saturday I'd be handing my transfer request in.
Great news that Ince is almost certainly going to start on Saturday (although the injury news coming out of Gus's camp was rarely true). No great loss with respect to Andrews and JFC to be honest and if I was Augestein, and fit, and don't get a call this Saturday I'd be handing my transfer request in. Eddy B
  • Score: 1

5:27pm Thu 6 Feb 14

Neville says...

Vegas I note your comments re transfers and wages coming down,just to reiterate there is no wage cap in the FFP regulations, certainly nothing will change in the Premiership thats for sure,there is nothing in FFP regarding changing the parachute payments either,so no change there either.
Penalties for promoted teams that don't abide by FFP is fines,( alot of good if already in PL) and player sanctions for those that don't get promoted but have flouted the rules. The only real deterrent is points deductions but that is not happening.
Vegas I note your comments re transfers and wages coming down,just to reiterate there is no wage cap in the FFP regulations, certainly nothing will change in the Premiership thats for sure,there is nothing in FFP regarding changing the parachute payments either,so no change there either. Penalties for promoted teams that don't abide by FFP is fines,( alot of good if already in PL) and player sanctions for those that don't get promoted but have flouted the rules. The only real deterrent is points deductions but that is not happening. Neville
  • Score: 0

5:39pm Thu 6 Feb 14

VegasSeagull says...

Neville wrote:
Vegas I note your comments re transfers and wages coming down,just to reiterate there is no wage cap in the FFP regulations, certainly nothing will change in the Premiership thats for sure,there is nothing in FFP regarding changing the parachute payments either,so no change there either.
Penalties for promoted teams that don't abide by FFP is fines,( alot of good if already in PL) and player sanctions for those that don't get promoted but have flouted the rules. The only real deterrent is points deductions but that is not happening.
Yes I agree, there is no wage cap under FFP rules but, clubs will have to offer lower wages in order to cut costs, same with transfer fees. Players will become cheaper to buy and cheaper to pay, but this will only really happen at our level and below, and possibly the bottom 10 clubs in the prem.
[quote][p][bold]Neville[/bold] wrote: Vegas I note your comments re transfers and wages coming down,just to reiterate there is no wage cap in the FFP regulations, certainly nothing will change in the Premiership thats for sure,there is nothing in FFP regarding changing the parachute payments either,so no change there either. Penalties for promoted teams that don't abide by FFP is fines,( alot of good if already in PL) and player sanctions for those that don't get promoted but have flouted the rules. The only real deterrent is points deductions but that is not happening.[/p][/quote]Yes I agree, there is no wage cap under FFP rules but, clubs will have to offer lower wages in order to cut costs, same with transfer fees. Players will become cheaper to buy and cheaper to pay, but this will only really happen at our level and below, and possibly the bottom 10 clubs in the prem. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 0

6:49pm Thu 6 Feb 14

gordongull says...

And Barca' seem to have a lot of luck when Ronaldo's playing.
Funny isn't it?
And Barca' seem to have a lot of luck when Ronaldo's playing. Funny isn't it? gordongull
  • Score: 0

6:51pm Thu 6 Feb 14

gordongull says...

Real Madrid,- I was going to say Messi!
Real Madrid,- I was going to say Messi! gordongull
  • Score: 0

7:10pm Thu 6 Feb 14

OldGull says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
It's incredible how important Ince has become to the team in so short a space of time. When he first made an appearance in the first team my first thought was "Wow, we're really short of players today" but he has been a revelation and proof (if proof is still needed) that OG knows what he's doing with regards to youngsters coming through the ranks.
The youngsters coming through? Ince was here ten months before his debut,
March is a prospect, as for Forster - caskey it's about time he performed, he is languishing in a state of poor form .. Lacks physical strength and has no pace whatsoever..
The real picture is clubs like Chelsea' arsenal and spurs are rejecting better than our youth set up, ie bridcutt. Ince are producing..
On another thread we turned down two million pound bids for Buckley and ulloa .. At this moment in time we don't have anyone worth a million...
The refusal of a 1 m plus bid for Buckley was a mistake.. I hope he proves me wrong.
Get your facts right Ince joined march 2013
Give JFC a break, he is still only 19. I believe he will establish himself.
Maybe you have forgotten he scored the Goal or 2013 voted for by the supporters.
Chelsea, Spurs & Arsenal will obviously reject some quality players.
They get 1st pick on signing youngsters.
It's Brighton who have developed these youngsters once they have joined us
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: It's incredible how important Ince has become to the team in so short a space of time. When he first made an appearance in the first team my first thought was "Wow, we're really short of players today" but he has been a revelation and proof (if proof is still needed) that OG knows what he's doing with regards to youngsters coming through the ranks.[/p][/quote]The youngsters coming through? Ince was here ten months before his debut, March is a prospect, as for Forster - caskey it's about time he performed, he is languishing in a state of poor form .. Lacks physical strength and has no pace whatsoever.. The real picture is clubs like Chelsea' arsenal and spurs are rejecting better than our youth set up, ie bridcutt. Ince are producing.. On another thread we turned down two million pound bids for Buckley and ulloa .. At this moment in time we don't have anyone worth a million... The refusal of a 1 m plus bid for Buckley was a mistake.. I hope he proves me wrong.[/p][/quote]Get your facts right Ince joined march 2013 Give JFC a break, he is still only 19. I believe he will establish himself. Maybe you have forgotten he scored the Goal or 2013 voted for by the supporters. Chelsea, Spurs & Arsenal will obviously reject some quality players. They get 1st pick on signing youngsters. It's Brighton who have developed these youngsters once they have joined us OldGull
  • Score: 2

7:12pm Thu 6 Feb 14

gordongull says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Neville wrote:
Vegas I note your comments re transfers and wages coming down,just to reiterate there is no wage cap in the FFP regulations, certainly nothing will change in the Premiership thats for sure,there is nothing in FFP regarding changing the parachute payments either,so no change there either.
Penalties for promoted teams that don't abide by FFP is fines,( alot of good if already in PL) and player sanctions for those that don't get promoted but have flouted the rules. The only real deterrent is points deductions but that is not happening.
Yes I agree, there is no wage cap under FFP rules but, clubs will have to offer lower wages in order to cut costs, same with transfer fees. Players will become cheaper to buy and cheaper to pay, but this will only really happen at our level and below, and possibly the bottom 10 clubs in the prem.
A side effect of FFP (if it works..) will be a self imposed ceiling for transfers and wages.
This will come about because no club will be allowed to pay transfer fees, and wages which force them into debt.
It will only happen if the deterrent is adequate enough to encourage all clubs to follow the rules.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Neville[/bold] wrote: Vegas I note your comments re transfers and wages coming down,just to reiterate there is no wage cap in the FFP regulations, certainly nothing will change in the Premiership thats for sure,there is nothing in FFP regarding changing the parachute payments either,so no change there either. Penalties for promoted teams that don't abide by FFP is fines,( alot of good if already in PL) and player sanctions for those that don't get promoted but have flouted the rules. The only real deterrent is points deductions but that is not happening.[/p][/quote]Yes I agree, there is no wage cap under FFP rules but, clubs will have to offer lower wages in order to cut costs, same with transfer fees. Players will become cheaper to buy and cheaper to pay, but this will only really happen at our level and below, and possibly the bottom 10 clubs in the prem.[/p][/quote]A side effect of FFP (if it works..) will be a self imposed ceiling for transfers and wages. This will come about because no club will be allowed to pay transfer fees, and wages which force them into debt. It will only happen if the deterrent is adequate enough to encourage all clubs to follow the rules. gordongull
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7:39pm Thu 6 Feb 14

namgo49 says...

lotsofducks wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
It's incredible how important Ince has become to the team in so short a space of time. When he first made an appearance in the first team my first thought was "Wow, we're really short of players today" but he has been a revelation and proof (if proof is still needed) that OG knows what he's doing with regards to youngsters coming through the ranks.
The youngsters coming through? Ince was here ten months before his debut,
March is a prospect, as for Forster - caskey it's about time he performed, he is languishing in a state of poor form .. Lacks physical strength and has no pace whatsoever..
The real picture is clubs like Chelsea' arsenal and spurs are rejecting better than our youth set up, ie bridcutt. Ince are producing..
On another thread we turned down two million pound bids for Buckley and ulloa .. At this moment in time we don't have anyone worth a million...
The refusal of a 1 m plus bid for Buckley was a mistake.. I hope he proves me wrong.
What a load of tosh! Ulloa is worth more than any bidder was prepared to offer, which is why we didn't sell him. So's Buckley if he's fit. My only criticism of Albion management is that Bridcutt was worth more that Sunderland paid for him - 5 million of anyone's cash in my view. Just look at the really ordinary players that have been traded for over 5 million recently!

Ince, F-C and March are all young, so they'll have off days, but its hardly their fault if managers take a long time to see that they are good enough to play in the first team!
Like anything else in this life, something or someone is only worth what someone else is prepared to pay. Sunderland were not prepared to pay more, no-one else was prepared to pay more and Bridcutt didn't want to play for us, so he had to go at the best price we could get. So stop lamenting about his passing, c'est la vie!

The thing with Buckley is he is injured too often to be worth a lot of money. Ulloa has been poor since his return admittedly linked to the fact he is not being given the right service. He still needs to prove himself once again.

CMS was a poor signing, not because he does not have the ability, but because he could not play the way our intransigent manager at the time wanted him to. It is up to Garcia to get the best out of him or move him on.

Ince is the only one of the Development squad who you could have the confidence in to perform to the required standard. JF-C's wonder goal has kept him in contention failing which he would not be considered. March is a prospect but needs game time which he might not get if we continue with he defensive mindset we have.

I would terminate Andrews loan agreement, give Agustein more game time and get Lualua to play the flanks and get crosses in, not cut inside all the time, getting in the way of Ulloa.

Lopez, same as for JF-C.

Get Bruno to play properly from the start of the game not 20 minutes in.

Make Dunk 1st cloice, not Greer.
[quote][p][bold]lotsofducks[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: It's incredible how important Ince has become to the team in so short a space of time. When he first made an appearance in the first team my first thought was "Wow, we're really short of players today" but he has been a revelation and proof (if proof is still needed) that OG knows what he's doing with regards to youngsters coming through the ranks.[/p][/quote]The youngsters coming through? Ince was here ten months before his debut, March is a prospect, as for Forster - caskey it's about time he performed, he is languishing in a state of poor form .. Lacks physical strength and has no pace whatsoever.. The real picture is clubs like Chelsea' arsenal and spurs are rejecting better than our youth set up, ie bridcutt. Ince are producing.. On another thread we turned down two million pound bids for Buckley and ulloa .. At this moment in time we don't have anyone worth a million... The refusal of a 1 m plus bid for Buckley was a mistake.. I hope he proves me wrong.[/p][/quote]What a load of tosh! Ulloa is worth more than any bidder was prepared to offer, which is why we didn't sell him. So's Buckley if he's fit. My only criticism of Albion management is that Bridcutt was worth more that Sunderland paid for him - 5 million of anyone's cash in my view. Just look at the really ordinary players that have been traded for over 5 million recently! Ince, F-C and March are all young, so they'll have off days, but its hardly their fault if managers take a long time to see that they are good enough to play in the first team![/p][/quote]Like anything else in this life, something or someone is only worth what someone else is prepared to pay. Sunderland were not prepared to pay more, no-one else was prepared to pay more and Bridcutt didn't want to play for us, so he had to go at the best price we could get. So stop lamenting about his passing, c'est la vie! The thing with Buckley is he is injured too often to be worth a lot of money. Ulloa has been poor since his return admittedly linked to the fact he is not being given the right service. He still needs to prove himself once again. CMS was a poor signing, not because he does not have the ability, but because he could not play the way our intransigent manager at the time wanted him to. It is up to Garcia to get the best out of him or move him on. Ince is the only one of the Development squad who you could have the confidence in to perform to the required standard. JF-C's wonder goal has kept him in contention failing which he would not be considered. March is a prospect but needs game time which he might not get if we continue with he defensive mindset we have. I would terminate Andrews loan agreement, give Agustein more game time and get Lualua to play the flanks and get crosses in, not cut inside all the time, getting in the way of Ulloa. Lopez, same as for JF-C. Get Bruno to play properly from the start of the game not 20 minutes in. Make Dunk 1st cloice, not Greer. namgo49
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9:14pm Thu 6 Feb 14

B rian Tawses left foot says...

The youngsters coming through? Ince was here ten months before his debut,
March is a prospect, as for Forster - caskey it's about time he performed, he is languishing in a state of poor form .. Lacks physical strength and has no pace whatsoever..
The real picture is clubs like Chelsea' arsenal and spurs are rejecting better than our youth set up, ie bridcutt. Ince are producing..
On another thread we turned down two million pound bids for Buckley and ulloa .. At this moment in time we don't have anyone worth a million...
The refusal of a 1 m plus bid for Buckley was a mistake.. I hope he proves me wrong.

Same old, same from you Mark. You have a long standing aversion towards the club's youth set-up - even though that set-up is nothing like the set up that produced Hammond, Lynch and El-Abd ,who were all good players. Hammond is at top championship club Leicester. Lynch is Welsh international playing for Huddersfield. El-Abd served the club magnificently but all you could ever say was 'Taxi for El-Abd.
Try watching the current development squad before coming on here with your ill-informed opinions. If you do you'll see that there 3 or 4 young players who show great promise and first team potential.
The youngsters coming through? Ince was here ten months before his debut, March is a prospect, as for Forster - caskey it's about time he performed, he is languishing in a state of poor form .. Lacks physical strength and has no pace whatsoever.. The real picture is clubs like Chelsea' arsenal and spurs are rejecting better than our youth set up, ie bridcutt. Ince are producing.. On another thread we turned down two million pound bids for Buckley and ulloa .. At this moment in time we don't have anyone worth a million... The refusal of a 1 m plus bid for Buckley was a mistake.. I hope he proves me wrong. Same old, same from you Mark. You have a long standing aversion towards the club's youth set-up - even though that set-up is nothing like the set up that produced Hammond, Lynch and El-Abd ,who were all good players. Hammond is at top championship club Leicester. Lynch is Welsh international playing for Huddersfield. El-Abd served the club magnificently but all you could ever say was 'Taxi for El-Abd. Try watching the current development squad before coming on here with your ill-informed opinions. If you do you'll see that there 3 or 4 young players who show great promise and first team potential. B rian Tawses left foot
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9:45pm Thu 6 Feb 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

Spot on Brian Tawes... permanent negativity from MBTS recently.
Spot on Brian Tawes... permanent negativity from MBTS recently. Ex-pat Arnie
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