Talking Point: Albion should not start Leo against Hull

Leo Ulloa is back on the scoresheet and crucial to Albion's promotion hopes

Leo Ulloa is back on the scoresheet and crucial to Albion's promotion hopes

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by , Chief sports reporter

Oscar Garcia must be tempted to wrap Leo Ulloa up in cotton wool.

If I was the Albion boss I would not start the Argentinian in next Monday's FA Cup tie against Hull.

Ulloa is far too important to the promotion challenge to increase the danger of losing him in a competition the Seagulls are unlikely to win.

He is back in goalscoring form after delivering the decisive moments against Doncaster at the Amex last Saturday and Leeds on Tuesday.

Albion need him to stay fit and firing if they are going to squeeze into the top six in the Championship.

They coped well without Ulloa for ten weeks earlier in the season but they had Ashley Barnes then.

Any lay-off for Ulloa now would be a potentially fatal blow to their challenge.

It would be a big ask for Jonathan Obika or David Rodriguez to fill the void.

With due respect to the Tottenham loanee and the Spanish newcomer, neither of them looks ideally suited to leading the line by themselves in the rigorous environment of the Championship.

They do not have the same physical attributes as Ulloa to front up and retain possession against two strong centre-halves.

Albion have other key players Oscar would not want to lose, Matt Upson and Rohan Ince to name just two, but Ulloa is the one he really cannot afford to be without.

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3:46pm Thu 13 Feb 14

Carter_Cooldancer says...

All I can say Andy is that I'm so glad you are not the Albion boss.

Whilst we may not win the cup, the prize money, TV money, gate money, confidence from a cup run, confidence from beating a premier league team, confidence from scoring against a premier league defines and the lure of a semi final tie at Wembley are all fantastic reasons for playing our front man.

Wins, goals and confidence can breed success in the league.
All I can say Andy is that I'm so glad you are not the Albion boss. Whilst we may not win the cup, the prize money, TV money, gate money, confidence from a cup run, confidence from beating a premier league team, confidence from scoring against a premier league defines and the lure of a semi final tie at Wembley are all fantastic reasons for playing our front man. Wins, goals and confidence can breed success in the league. Carter_Cooldancer
  • Score: 96

3:52pm Thu 13 Feb 14

AlanDuffy says...

As you say in the article, neither Obika nor Rodriguez are suited to the loan frontman role, so if Leo doesn't play, who do you suggest we play instead? Or do we just "throw" the game and miss out on a good chance to progress in a prestige competition. Besides, if Leo is fit, then surely he should be playing - he could just as easily get injured in a League game.
As you say in the article, neither Obika nor Rodriguez are suited to the loan frontman role, so if Leo doesn't play, who do you suggest we play instead? Or do we just "throw" the game and miss out on a good chance to progress in a prestige competition. Besides, if Leo is fit, then surely he should be playing - he could just as easily get injured in a League game. AlanDuffy
  • Score: 46

3:54pm Thu 13 Feb 14

Claude Back says...

If Leo does not appear, then nor will many thousand others!
I agree with Carter and Alan above.
We have more chance of beating Hull than promotion so the financial maths remain simple.
If Leo does not appear, then nor will many thousand others! I agree with Carter and Alan above. We have more chance of beating Hull than promotion so the financial maths remain simple. Claude Back
  • Score: 32

3:59pm Thu 13 Feb 14

Neville says...

This highlights the plight of not having secured another top notch striker,suggest we need someone in loan window fairly urgently. Think Ulloa needs to play if we are to have any chance of winning. If Ulloa is on the bench then we need Rodriguez and Obika together up front.
This highlights the plight of not having secured another top notch striker,suggest we need someone in loan window fairly urgently. Think Ulloa needs to play if we are to have any chance of winning. If Ulloa is on the bench then we need Rodriguez and Obika together up front. Neville
  • Score: -10

4:10pm Thu 13 Feb 14

fratsomrover says...

What drivel !!!. I'd be most upset if Leo didn't start.
He's not firing on all cylinders yet and needs matches to get to peak, so the Hull game will be ideal. I hope we play our strongest side because it's a game we can win. We can sub March/Buckley, Orlandi/LuaLua, Ince/Andrews if required but Leo needs games alongside Rodriguez to develop greater understanding.
Anyway, who's the feck saying we cant win the FA Cup.
We can beat Hull, could draw Shef Wed/Charlton in QF's, maybe Shef Unt or Forest in the semi-final and be up against Sunderland in the final. Easy peasy as they say !!!
It's not as if we're regularly playing 2 games a week. We've had 6 days rest from the Leeds match and will get 5 more before the Wigan match, so I dont see needing a rest coming into it.
Leo has to play...... end of !!!
We must play every game to win, get into a winning rhythm and keep it going. Maybe we'll end up with a double dose of Wembley, the play-offs and the Cup Final.
As for the Barnes comparison, I think it should be said that we remained in contention despite having to play Barnes, not because of him. We owed more to Conway and Crofts during that period than we did to Barnes and in case it hasn't been noted, he has yet to start a game for Burnley.
It was a good bit of business to sell him.
What drivel !!!. I'd be most upset if Leo didn't start. He's not firing on all cylinders yet and needs matches to get to peak, so the Hull game will be ideal. I hope we play our strongest side because it's a game we can win. We can sub March/Buckley, Orlandi/LuaLua, Ince/Andrews if required but Leo needs games alongside Rodriguez to develop greater understanding. Anyway, who's the feck saying we cant win the FA Cup. We can beat Hull, could draw Shef Wed/Charlton in QF's, maybe Shef Unt or Forest in the semi-final and be up against Sunderland in the final. Easy peasy as they say !!! It's not as if we're regularly playing 2 games a week. We've had 6 days rest from the Leeds match and will get 5 more before the Wigan match, so I dont see needing a rest coming into it. Leo has to play...... end of !!! We must play every game to win, get into a winning rhythm and keep it going. Maybe we'll end up with a double dose of Wembley, the play-offs and the Cup Final. As for the Barnes comparison, I think it should be said that we remained in contention despite having to play Barnes, not because of him. We owed more to Conway and Crofts during that period than we did to Barnes and in case it hasn't been noted, he has yet to start a game for Burnley. It was a good bit of business to sell him. fratsomrover
  • Score: 36

4:11pm Thu 13 Feb 14

pjwilk says...

No chance without Ulloa he is the only one who has a good chance of scoring.
No chance without Ulloa he is the only one who has a good chance of scoring. pjwilk
  • Score: 12

4:27pm Thu 13 Feb 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

Claude Back wrote:
If Leo does not appear, then nor will many thousand others!
I agree with Carter and Alan above.
We have more chance of beating Hull than promotion so the financial maths remain simple.
Surely by the time you know if he's playing or not you'll have already bought you ticket and be on your way to the ground, if not at the ground already.

We played weakened XIs in our previous cup matches, so I'd not be at all surprised if OG did the same again.
[quote][p][bold]Claude Back[/bold] wrote: If Leo does not appear, then nor will many thousand others! I agree with Carter and Alan above. We have more chance of beating Hull than promotion so the financial maths remain simple.[/p][/quote]Surely by the time you know if he's playing or not you'll have already bought you ticket and be on your way to the ground, if not at the ground already. We played weakened XIs in our previous cup matches, so I'd not be at all surprised if OG did the same again. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: -11

4:28pm Thu 13 Feb 14

russellsnr2 says...

"a competition the Seagulls are unlikely to win"
1983 we came very close so why should we not come close again, if it's meant to be it will be!!
To say the above is not what readers here want to see and surprised that the lead football reporter would write such!!
"a competition the Seagulls are unlikely to win" 1983 we came very close so why should we not come close again, if it's meant to be it will be!! To say the above is not what readers here want to see and surprised that the lead football reporter would write such!! russellsnr2
  • Score: 14

4:31pm Thu 13 Feb 14

DuncanThickett says...

This isn't a last 64 match, this is one that if we win, we are 90 mins from Wembley and a big pay day. I think we need to put the strongest squad out there. I for one am dreaming of not only a Wembley semi but lifting the Cup. This is what being a fan is all about - long shot i know, but if Millwall can get to the final, so can we!!!
This isn't a last 64 match, this is one that if we win, we are 90 mins from Wembley and a big pay day. I think we need to put the strongest squad out there. I for one am dreaming of not only a Wembley semi but lifting the Cup. This is what being a fan is all about - long shot i know, but if Millwall can get to the final, so can we!!! DuncanThickett
  • Score: 25

4:46pm Thu 13 Feb 14

dave from bexill says...

I'd guess that Andy Naylor is simply playing Devil's Advocate here, to stimulate some argument, at least I hope that's the case. This is the serious end of the cup competition now and as others have said, it's a game we should feel confident about getting a result.
As much as I'd love to see it, and at the risk of presenting as negative, hand on heart, I don't believe we'll quite finish in a play off position this year,although all things considered it will have been an exciting good season. As such, the cup remains an excellent competition for us to stay in for as long as possible, which will help improve our profile, as well increase our much needed finances as we move towards the premier league, over the next few years. Oh yes, and Leo must play, as I'm sure Mr Andy Naylor knows. UTA
I'd guess that Andy Naylor is simply playing Devil's Advocate here, to stimulate some argument, at least I hope that's the case. This is the serious end of the cup competition now and as others have said, it's a game we should feel confident about getting a result. As much as I'd love to see it, and at the risk of presenting as negative, hand on heart, I don't believe we'll quite finish in a play off position this year,although all things considered it will have been an exciting good season. As such, the cup remains an excellent competition for us to stay in for as long as possible, which will help improve our profile, as well increase our much needed finances as we move towards the premier league, over the next few years. Oh yes, and Leo must play, as I'm sure Mr Andy Naylor knows. UTA dave from bexill
  • Score: 14

4:49pm Thu 13 Feb 14

VegasSeagull says...

It's the FA Cup, it's the completion where back up players get rewarded for all the hard work they do in training but are rarely selected to start matches, Oscar is almost obliged to continue to make changes from our regular starting players.
Looking at our quest for a top six spot and, looking at Hull being just outside the drop zone with an away match at Cardiff coming up, neither side will want key players getting injured, and I doubt either will want a replay.
So do we start Ulloa, give him a chance to score another goal and build his confidence even more, for me he is on the bench. I would like to see us, for once, go with a 4-4-2 formation, Obika and Rodriguez with Solly and Buckley out wide, Buckley needs the playing time and could be replaced by Spanish Dave if he tires.
I would play Ince and I would keep TK between the sticks. Calde, Greer, Dunk and Chicksen back four, Orlandi in midfield. The bench would be full of options and quality should we need them.
Hull will not be fielding their best eleven, they can't afford to, we might as well go flat out to win with a mixture of youth and experience and plenty of fire power.
It's the FA Cup, it's the completion where back up players get rewarded for all the hard work they do in training but are rarely selected to start matches, Oscar is almost obliged to continue to make changes from our regular starting players. Looking at our quest for a top six spot and, looking at Hull being just outside the drop zone with an away match at Cardiff coming up, neither side will want key players getting injured, and I doubt either will want a replay. So do we start Ulloa, give him a chance to score another goal and build his confidence even more, for me he is on the bench. I would like to see us, for once, go with a 4-4-2 formation, Obika and Rodriguez with Solly and Buckley out wide, Buckley needs the playing time and could be replaced by Spanish Dave if he tires. I would play Ince and I would keep TK between the sticks. Calde, Greer, Dunk and Chicksen back four, Orlandi in midfield. The bench would be full of options and quality should we need them. Hull will not be fielding their best eleven, they can't afford to, we might as well go flat out to win with a mixture of youth and experience and plenty of fire power. VegasSeagull
  • Score: -12

4:50pm Thu 13 Feb 14

Gaz the great says...

Tend to agree with most of the above! Other than injuries you should always play your strongest side available, regardless. Might be slightly different if we were playing Gosford Park or somebody 8 divisions below us!
Tend to agree with most of the above! Other than injuries you should always play your strongest side available, regardless. Might be slightly different if we were playing Gosford Park or somebody 8 divisions below us! Gaz the great
  • Score: 6

4:50pm Thu 13 Feb 14

ColinPep1 says...

The games are nicely spread out, by Monday he'll have had 6 days off, and our next game after that will be 5 days away, and also at home so no travelling time. If we win, we could have a winnable game in the next round (maybe a home tie v the winners of Charlton/Sheff Weds?) and then win that and it's a Wembley semi-final. Think of the interest and revenue and prize money and TV cash we'd get from beating Hull, winning again and then getting a Wembley semi. We should treat this game exactly as if it were a league game.
The games are nicely spread out, by Monday he'll have had 6 days off, and our next game after that will be 5 days away, and also at home so no travelling time. If we win, we could have a winnable game in the next round (maybe a home tie v the winners of Charlton/Sheff Weds?) and then win that and it's a Wembley semi-final. Think of the interest and revenue and prize money and TV cash we'd get from beating Hull, winning again and then getting a Wembley semi. We should treat this game exactly as if it were a league game. ColinPep1
  • Score: 13

5:09pm Thu 13 Feb 14

Conelli98 says...

Even though I got slated for voicing my opinion after Tues game, he has too start. My team Brez, Bruno Upson Dunk Chichksen, March Orlandi Kemy Ince Buckley, Ulloa.
Even though I got slated for voicing my opinion after Tues game, he has too start. My team Brez, Bruno Upson Dunk Chichksen, March Orlandi Kemy Ince Buckley, Ulloa. Conelli98
  • Score: -5

5:13pm Thu 13 Feb 14

brightonfan34 says...

ulloa has to start for me and obika is rubbish
ulloa has to start for me and obika is rubbish brightonfan34
  • Score: -5

5:15pm Thu 13 Feb 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

Interesting I got so many thumbs down for giving two facts and not some opinions! :-)

No-one, let alone thousands, will decide to stay at home if Ulloa's omission is not announced until an hour before kick off because by then it will be too late.

And - for clarification - I didn't say I wanted Ulloa to sit on the bench, I just said that our form in this competition is to not play our strongest side. I would be as disappointed as anyone else if the big man didn't start, but I would understand and sympathise with the decision not to do so, if that arises.

I don't think Hull will play their strongest side either, for what it's worth.
Interesting I got so many thumbs down for giving two facts and not some opinions! :-) No-one, let alone thousands, will decide to stay at home if Ulloa's omission is not announced until an hour before kick off because by then it will be too late. And - for clarification - I didn't say I wanted Ulloa to sit on the bench, I just said that our form in this competition is to not play our strongest side. I would be as disappointed as anyone else if the big man didn't start, but I would understand and sympathise with the decision not to do so, if that arises. I don't think Hull will play their strongest side either, for what it's worth. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: -18

5:21pm Thu 13 Feb 14

DuncanThickett says...

Already posted this on another story, but with Paddypower we are 5/4 and Hull are 11/5. Not sure what this is implying - you'd think if Hull were putting their strongest side out the odds would be a lot shorter...
Already posted this on another story, but with Paddypower we are 5/4 and Hull are 11/5. Not sure what this is implying - you'd think if Hull were putting their strongest side out the odds would be a lot shorter... DuncanThickett
  • Score: 2

5:24pm Thu 13 Feb 14

VegasSeagull says...

ColinPep1 wrote:
The games are nicely spread out, by Monday he'll have had 6 days off, and our next game after that will be 5 days away, and also at home so no travelling time. If we win, we could have a winnable game in the next round (maybe a home tie v the winners of Charlton/Sheff Weds?) and then win that and it's a Wembley semi-final. Think of the interest and revenue and prize money and TV cash we'd get from beating Hull, winning again and then getting a Wembley semi. We should treat this game exactly as if it were a league game.
I don't think it's a question of him tiring for our following match, it's the chance of injury that is the major concern.
This is a good opportunity to give Obika a run out, if we, 'had,' to call on him in a couple of weeks from now, every minute played would help him help the team. Rodriguez had not played a lot before joining us so the more he plays the better.
[quote][p][bold]ColinPep1[/bold] wrote: The games are nicely spread out, by Monday he'll have had 6 days off, and our next game after that will be 5 days away, and also at home so no travelling time. If we win, we could have a winnable game in the next round (maybe a home tie v the winners of Charlton/Sheff Weds?) and then win that and it's a Wembley semi-final. Think of the interest and revenue and prize money and TV cash we'd get from beating Hull, winning again and then getting a Wembley semi. We should treat this game exactly as if it were a league game.[/p][/quote]I don't think it's a question of him tiring for our following match, it's the chance of injury that is the major concern. This is a good opportunity to give Obika a run out, if we, 'had,' to call on him in a couple of weeks from now, every minute played would help him help the team. Rodriguez had not played a lot before joining us so the more he plays the better. VegasSeagull
  • Score: -10

5:29pm Thu 13 Feb 14

Conelli98 says...

DuncanThickett wrote:
Already posted this on another story, but with Paddypower we are 5/4 and Hull are 11/5. Not sure what this is implying - you'd think if Hull were putting their strongest side out the odds would be a lot shorter...
...Its implying that Paddy thinks we are favourites Duncan!!!
[quote][p][bold]DuncanThickett[/bold] wrote: Already posted this on another story, but with Paddypower we are 5/4 and Hull are 11/5. Not sure what this is implying - you'd think if Hull were putting their strongest side out the odds would be a lot shorter...[/p][/quote]...Its implying that Paddy thinks we are favourites Duncan!!! Conelli98
  • Score: 5

5:35pm Thu 13 Feb 14

Chi Gull says...

I would play Ulloa. As ColinPep1 has said, there is the luxury of almost a week to recover either side of the game. We need our strongest team to have a chance of beating Hull. We will also know the draw for the next round before we play, but we are almost bound to get a plum draw against a top side, or a very real chance of progressing to the semi-final if we beat Hull. So for me he has to start. If he gets injured, that what loans are for. In the next couple of weeks we will have CMS fit again too. I also find it interesting that people say Obika is rubbish when he has barely played, and scored in the one game he started. He may not be class, but from what I have seen he is a wholehearted player.
I would play Ulloa. As ColinPep1 has said, there is the luxury of almost a week to recover either side of the game. We need our strongest team to have a chance of beating Hull. We will also know the draw for the next round before we play, but we are almost bound to get a plum draw against a top side, or a very real chance of progressing to the semi-final if we beat Hull. So for me he has to start. If he gets injured, that what loans are for. In the next couple of weeks we will have CMS fit again too. I also find it interesting that people say Obika is rubbish when he has barely played, and scored in the one game he started. He may not be class, but from what I have seen he is a wholehearted player. Chi Gull
  • Score: 9

6:04pm Thu 13 Feb 14

wiseman of hove says...

Sorry Andy Naylor but I think you are entirely wrong. Ulloa has gradually been working his way back to fitness so leaving him out, potentially puts back his climb to 100% fitness. He needs to start games and lead the line for as long as possible. Wrap him up in cotton wool possibly after 60-70 minutes and then introduce Obika.
I posted earlier on another thread that we should play our strongest team. Too much paranoia about injuries. This is a fantastic opportunity to progress to the quarter finals.
Sorry Andy Naylor but I think you are entirely wrong. Ulloa has gradually been working his way back to fitness so leaving him out, potentially puts back his climb to 100% fitness. He needs to start games and lead the line for as long as possible. Wrap him up in cotton wool possibly after 60-70 minutes and then introduce Obika. I posted earlier on another thread that we should play our strongest team. Too much paranoia about injuries. This is a fantastic opportunity to progress to the quarter finals. wiseman of hove
  • Score: 11

6:27pm Thu 13 Feb 14

Mancgulled says...

How about giving CMS a 20 minute slot? He managed 50 against Palace the other week. I was talking to two Palace fans on the train going up to London last Saturday -- they seemed quite impressed with him as they were present! But ONLY a slot - Albion should go for the throat with this competition - more appearances - more money! Personally - Man City next round would be great - we beat them once - that was a night to remember -- my boys do still ....... ahhhh .. the magic of the cup!
How about giving CMS a 20 minute slot? He managed 50 against Palace the other week. I was talking to two Palace fans on the train going up to London last Saturday -- they seemed quite impressed with him as they were present! But ONLY a slot - Albion should go for the throat with this competition - more appearances - more money! Personally - Man City next round would be great - we beat them once - that was a night to remember -- my boys do still ....... ahhhh .. the magic of the cup! Mancgulled
  • Score: 6

6:27pm Thu 13 Feb 14

VegasSeagull says...

I am surprised that so many of you think that Ulloa should start against Hull, I see this as a risk that we don't need to take. If I am a Hull defender, and I know that he is the only real danger, (who else has been scoring for us,) then I am going to rough him up a little. If I am a midfield player for Hull, I am going to rough him up a little, fringe players don't mind picking up the occasional yellow card. The stakes are high and the rewards are big so nothing would surprise me as to what happens on the park. I am not suggesting that Hull, 'kick,' him out of the game, no way, but a few heavy tackles can certainly take their toll on a player.
Ulloa might get injured in any match, I know that, but if it were to happen, then let it be when we are going for a top six spot. Obika and Rodriguez might not be the CF that Ulloa is, but working as a pair they just might get the job done, 4-4-2, one might even be able to make a case for 3-5-2.
I am surprised that so many of you think that Ulloa should start against Hull, I see this as a risk that we don't need to take. If I am a Hull defender, and I know that he is the only real danger, (who else has been scoring for us,) then I am going to rough him up a little. If I am a midfield player for Hull, I am going to rough him up a little, fringe players don't mind picking up the occasional yellow card. The stakes are high and the rewards are big so nothing would surprise me as to what happens on the park. I am not suggesting that Hull, 'kick,' him out of the game, no way, but a few heavy tackles can certainly take their toll on a player. Ulloa might get injured in any match, I know that, but if it were to happen, then let it be when we are going for a top six spot. Obika and Rodriguez might not be the CF that Ulloa is, but working as a pair they just might get the job done, 4-4-2, one might even be able to make a case for 3-5-2. VegasSeagull
  • Score: -33

6:31pm Thu 13 Feb 14

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  • Score: 0

6:32pm Thu 13 Feb 14

Grendel says...

There's a lot more money in getting promoted than in a cup run. I agree with Andy.
There's a lot more money in getting promoted than in a cup run. I agree with Andy. Grendel
  • Score: -22

6:38pm Thu 13 Feb 14

VegasSeagull says...

DuncanThickett wrote:
Already posted this on another story, but with Paddypower we are 5/4 and Hull are 11/5. Not sure what this is implying - you'd think if Hull were putting their strongest side out the odds would be a lot shorter...
Sky Betting are offering the same odds, we are fancied to win. As you suggest Duncan, the bookies must feel that Hull will keep their best out of the match, but could the odds also suggest that they think Brighton will not hold back our big guns, or do they think that our strength in depth is stronger than that of Hull. A high compliment if they do.
[quote][p][bold]DuncanThickett[/bold] wrote: Already posted this on another story, but with Paddypower we are 5/4 and Hull are 11/5. Not sure what this is implying - you'd think if Hull were putting their strongest side out the odds would be a lot shorter...[/p][/quote]Sky Betting are offering the same odds, we are fancied to win. As you suggest Duncan, the bookies must feel that Hull will keep their best out of the match, but could the odds also suggest that they think Brighton will not hold back our big guns, or do they think that our strength in depth is stronger than that of Hull. A high compliment if they do. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 0

8:27pm Thu 13 Feb 14

fratsomrover says...

DuncanThickett wrote:
Already posted this on another story, but with Paddypower we are 5/4 and Hull are 11/5. Not sure what this is implying - you'd think if Hull were putting their strongest side out the odds would be a lot shorter...
I'd say Paddypower have it right !
I think we are favourites because Hull have lost 5 and drawn 1 of their last seven games.
We also have a great record against them at home. Haven't we won 15 and drawn 5 of our last 20 meetings down here ?
I think the bookie has the correct odds.
Steve Bruce never does well against us either, so I for one am expecting a win and I dont think it will come as to great a surprise if we do.
That is also probably the reason BT have paid us £253,000 to screen it live. Everybody likes to see a club from The Prem get beaten by a team from a lower division.
[quote][p][bold]DuncanThickett[/bold] wrote: Already posted this on another story, but with Paddypower we are 5/4 and Hull are 11/5. Not sure what this is implying - you'd think if Hull were putting their strongest side out the odds would be a lot shorter...[/p][/quote]I'd say Paddypower have it right ! I think we are favourites because Hull have lost 5 and drawn 1 of their last seven games. We also have a great record against them at home. Haven't we won 15 and drawn 5 of our last 20 meetings down here ? I think the bookie has the correct odds. Steve Bruce never does well against us either, so I for one am expecting a win and I dont think it will come as to great a surprise if we do. That is also probably the reason BT have paid us £253,000 to screen it live. Everybody likes to see a club from The Prem get beaten by a team from a lower division. fratsomrover
  • Score: 6

8:40pm Thu 13 Feb 14

gordongull says...

I think we need to go for it.
We have to score if we are to progress to the quarter-finals, and the chances of achieving this against Premier League opposition are far greater with Leo in the side.
So where do our priorities lie?
As we know, a play-off place isn't promotion. Only one of the four teams go up, and protecting players for the Championship is no guarantee of success.
We have advanced too far in the FA Cup to regard it as an unwelcome distraction from the League. In the Cup competitions, everyone seems to have priorities elsewhere, and this can work in our favour if Hull put out a below strength side.
This tie is winnable, but only if we want it more, and I believe that Oscar will confirm our status as favourites by putting out his strongest side.
I think we need to go for it. We have to score if we are to progress to the quarter-finals, and the chances of achieving this against Premier League opposition are far greater with Leo in the side. So where do our priorities lie? As we know, a play-off place isn't promotion. Only one of the four teams go up, and protecting players for the Championship is no guarantee of success. We have advanced too far in the FA Cup to regard it as an unwelcome distraction from the League. In the Cup competitions, everyone seems to have priorities elsewhere, and this can work in our favour if Hull put out a below strength side. This tie is winnable, but only if we want it more, and I believe that Oscar will confirm our status as favourites by putting out his strongest side. gordongull
  • Score: 7

9:16pm Thu 13 Feb 14

SeagullOverSelsey says...

gordongull wrote:
I think we need to go for it.
We have to score if we are to progress to the quarter-finals, and the chances of achieving this against Premier League opposition are far greater with Leo in the side.
So where do our priorities lie?
As we know, a play-off place isn't promotion. Only one of the four teams go up, and protecting players for the Championship is no guarantee of success.
We have advanced too far in the FA Cup to regard it as an unwelcome distraction from the League. In the Cup competitions, everyone seems to have priorities elsewhere, and this can work in our favour if Hull put out a below strength side.
This tie is winnable, but only if we want it more, and I believe that Oscar will confirm our status as favourites by putting out his strongest side.
I agree.Also he may field his strongest side if we are drawn against a top PL team in Sunday's draw with the massive cash bonanza that would come along if we overcame Hull.This could be used for team strengthening in the close season whether we reach and succeed in the play-offs or not.Also I think Leo himself would be desperate to pit himself against PL opposition.
[quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: I think we need to go for it. We have to score if we are to progress to the quarter-finals, and the chances of achieving this against Premier League opposition are far greater with Leo in the side. So where do our priorities lie? As we know, a play-off place isn't promotion. Only one of the four teams go up, and protecting players for the Championship is no guarantee of success. We have advanced too far in the FA Cup to regard it as an unwelcome distraction from the League. In the Cup competitions, everyone seems to have priorities elsewhere, and this can work in our favour if Hull put out a below strength side. This tie is winnable, but only if we want it more, and I believe that Oscar will confirm our status as favourites by putting out his strongest side.[/p][/quote]I agree.Also he may field his strongest side if we are drawn against a top PL team in Sunday's draw with the massive cash bonanza that would come along if we overcame Hull.This could be used for team strengthening in the close season whether we reach and succeed in the play-offs or not.Also I think Leo himself would be desperate to pit himself against PL opposition. SeagullOverSelsey
  • Score: 9

9:57pm Thu 13 Feb 14

VegasSeagull says...

SeagullOverSelsey wrote:
gordongull wrote:
I think we need to go for it.
We have to score if we are to progress to the quarter-finals, and the chances of achieving this against Premier League opposition are far greater with Leo in the side.
So where do our priorities lie?
As we know, a play-off place isn't promotion. Only one of the four teams go up, and protecting players for the Championship is no guarantee of success.
We have advanced too far in the FA Cup to regard it as an unwelcome distraction from the League. In the Cup competitions, everyone seems to have priorities elsewhere, and this can work in our favour if Hull put out a below strength side.
This tie is winnable, but only if we want it more, and I believe that Oscar will confirm our status as favourites by putting out his strongest side.
I agree.Also he may field his strongest side if we are drawn against a top PL team in Sunday's draw with the massive cash bonanza that would come along if we overcame Hull.This could be used for team strengthening in the close season whether we reach and succeed in the play-offs or not.Also I think Leo himself would be desperate to pit himself against PL opposition.
To my way of thinking our strongest eleven taking to the field, in terms of the Cup, should be after this round. A blend of fringe and regular starters is still the way to go for me in this round.
We have some very good back up players and we have Buckley returning. I am not suggesting that we make 6 or 7 changes but 4 should be possible, with Buckley counting as one of them and keep Solly back for the next league match.
[quote][p][bold]SeagullOverSelsey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: I think we need to go for it. We have to score if we are to progress to the quarter-finals, and the chances of achieving this against Premier League opposition are far greater with Leo in the side. So where do our priorities lie? As we know, a play-off place isn't promotion. Only one of the four teams go up, and protecting players for the Championship is no guarantee of success. We have advanced too far in the FA Cup to regard it as an unwelcome distraction from the League. In the Cup competitions, everyone seems to have priorities elsewhere, and this can work in our favour if Hull put out a below strength side. This tie is winnable, but only if we want it more, and I believe that Oscar will confirm our status as favourites by putting out his strongest side.[/p][/quote]I agree.Also he may field his strongest side if we are drawn against a top PL team in Sunday's draw with the massive cash bonanza that would come along if we overcame Hull.This could be used for team strengthening in the close season whether we reach and succeed in the play-offs or not.Also I think Leo himself would be desperate to pit himself against PL opposition.[/p][/quote]To my way of thinking our strongest eleven taking to the field, in terms of the Cup, should be after this round. A blend of fringe and regular starters is still the way to go for me in this round. We have some very good back up players and we have Buckley returning. I am not suggesting that we make 6 or 7 changes but 4 should be possible, with Buckley counting as one of them and keep Solly back for the next league match. VegasSeagull
  • Score: -6

10:01pm Thu 13 Feb 14

BobbyLaverick says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
I am surprised that so many of you think that Ulloa should start against Hull, I see this as a risk that we don't need to take. If I am a Hull defender, and I know that he is the only real danger, (who else has been scoring for us,) then I am going to rough him up a little. If I am a midfield player for Hull, I am going to rough him up a little, fringe players don't mind picking up the occasional yellow card. The stakes are high and the rewards are big so nothing would surprise me as to what happens on the park. I am not suggesting that Hull, 'kick,' him out of the game, no way, but a few heavy tackles can certainly take their toll on a player.
Ulloa might get injured in any match, I know that, but if it were to happen, then let it be when we are going for a top six spot. Obika and Rodriguez might not be the CF that Ulloa is, but working as a pair they just might get the job done, 4-4-2, one might even be able to make a case for 3-5-2.
Vegas, I am usually in agreement with the majority of your postings, but on this occasion I could not disagree with you more.

Leo is slowly returning to his best and needs to be involved from the start in important matches of this nature. Our advancement in the FA Cup is pivotal in a season of uncertainty regarding our play-off credentials. The possibility of reaching the semis, or even the final itself, is not totally beyond our capabilities, especially with a draw favouring such progress.
What's to say that we cannot gain success from both the cup and the league competitions? If we do not try our best, then we will never know if it was ever going to be possible.

At this stage, we have to play our strongest team against Hull. After all, they have much more to lose from the tie than we do, and will be expecting to play against our best, even if they themselves believe that they are capable of winning without a few of their own regulars. A ploy that might well play into our hands, and a situation that we should be taking advantage of.

We do not have a Premier League squad. We have players capable of playing at that level, but certainly not the expanse of squad to cover all positions when playing a Premier League side.
Playing Leo and other regular first team players will indicate that we mean business, and that we consider the tie winnable.

Also, forget 4-4-2 and 3-5-2. If any system was going to make a statement of intent, then it has to be 4-3-3. It is the one system which would fully endorse OG's original promise of attacking football.
Go for the jugular Albion, and let's show Hull, and the rest of the Premier League, that we are up for greater challenges!
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: I am surprised that so many of you think that Ulloa should start against Hull, I see this as a risk that we don't need to take. If I am a Hull defender, and I know that he is the only real danger, (who else has been scoring for us,) then I am going to rough him up a little. If I am a midfield player for Hull, I am going to rough him up a little, fringe players don't mind picking up the occasional yellow card. The stakes are high and the rewards are big so nothing would surprise me as to what happens on the park. I am not suggesting that Hull, 'kick,' him out of the game, no way, but a few heavy tackles can certainly take their toll on a player. Ulloa might get injured in any match, I know that, but if it were to happen, then let it be when we are going for a top six spot. Obika and Rodriguez might not be the CF that Ulloa is, but working as a pair they just might get the job done, 4-4-2, one might even be able to make a case for 3-5-2.[/p][/quote]Vegas, I am usually in agreement with the majority of your postings, but on this occasion I could not disagree with you more. Leo is slowly returning to his best and needs to be involved from the start in important matches of this nature. Our advancement in the FA Cup is pivotal in a season of uncertainty regarding our play-off credentials. The possibility of reaching the semis, or even the final itself, is not totally beyond our capabilities, especially with a draw favouring such progress. What's to say that we cannot gain success from both the cup and the league competitions? If we do not try our best, then we will never know if it was ever going to be possible. At this stage, we have to play our strongest team against Hull. After all, they have much more to lose from the tie than we do, and will be expecting to play against our best, even if they themselves believe that they are capable of winning without a few of their own regulars. A ploy that might well play into our hands, and a situation that we should be taking advantage of. We do not have a Premier League squad. We have players capable of playing at that level, but certainly not the expanse of squad to cover all positions when playing a Premier League side. Playing Leo and other regular first team players will indicate that we mean business, and that we consider the tie winnable. Also, forget 4-4-2 and 3-5-2. If any system was going to make a statement of intent, then it has to be 4-3-3. It is the one system which would fully endorse OG's original promise of attacking football. Go for the jugular Albion, and let's show Hull, and the rest of the Premier League, that we are up for greater challenges! BobbyLaverick
  • Score: 11

10:11pm Thu 13 Feb 14

pjwilk says...

We have a distinct lack of fiepower,without Ulloa our team is very week up front,whoever is responsable for sighning goalscorers who make a difference is not up to the job.Take Lita and Obeka,these are our Development standard.Get your hands in your pockets Blues Bros and get two quality strikers on loan and,give us a chance.
We have a distinct lack of fiepower,without Ulloa our team is very week up front,whoever is responsable for sighning goalscorers who make a difference is not up to the job.Take Lita and Obeka,these are our Development standard.Get your hands in your pockets Blues Bros and get two quality strikers on loan and,give us a chance. pjwilk
  • Score: -3

10:35pm Thu 13 Feb 14

fansunited says...

I don't think he pays to rest players, it seems they loose form very quickly, it could take Leo 3 games to back into the swing of scoring. I thought it was great that we only made one in change the two games, the more the same players play the stronger they will get...............
I don't think he pays to rest players, it seems they loose form very quickly, it could take Leo 3 games to back into the swing of scoring. I thought it was great that we only made one in change the two games, the more the same players play the stronger they will get............... fansunited
  • Score: 4

10:48pm Thu 13 Feb 14

albion64 says...

Neville wrote:
This highlights the plight of not having secured another top notch striker,suggest we need someone in loan window fairly urgently. Think Ulloa needs to play if we are to have any chance of winning. If Ulloa is on the bench then we need Rodriguez and Obika together up front.
You are totally correct, although people on here can't see it. A target man is required without question, someone with presence.

When all are fit, we will have a handful of rather short attacking players,
CMS, Rod, Obika, KLL, Hoskins, to name but a few. Ulloa is the only striker who others can play off of. Before Ulloa, we didn't have a clue on corners and Poyet admitted that. The ball would go backwards and we would build again.

Yes, Barcelona had success without a striker (short or tall), but they have been found out now. Average teams with the right line up can beat them.

Sooner rather than later we will have to start killing teams off and be prolific in front of goal. That will be the key to win us promotion. "He shot, he scored, it must be Peter Ward, Peter Ward. Peter Ward".
[quote][p][bold]Neville[/bold] wrote: This highlights the plight of not having secured another top notch striker,suggest we need someone in loan window fairly urgently. Think Ulloa needs to play if we are to have any chance of winning. If Ulloa is on the bench then we need Rodriguez and Obika together up front.[/p][/quote]You are totally correct, although people on here can't see it. A target man is required without question, someone with presence. When all are fit, we will have a handful of rather short attacking players, CMS, Rod, Obika, KLL, Hoskins, to name but a few. Ulloa is the only striker who others can play off of. Before Ulloa, we didn't have a clue on corners and Poyet admitted that. The ball would go backwards and we would build again. Yes, Barcelona had success without a striker (short or tall), but they have been found out now. Average teams with the right line up can beat them. Sooner rather than later we will have to start killing teams off and be prolific in front of goal. That will be the key to win us promotion. "He shot, he scored, it must be Peter Ward, Peter Ward. Peter Ward". albion64
  • Score: 3

10:53pm Thu 13 Feb 14

albion64 says...

Before anyone comments on Peter Ward being short, he was actually 6ft 10 with his affro'.
Before anyone comments on Peter Ward being short, he was actually 6ft 10 with his affro'. albion64
  • Score: 7

11:29pm Thu 13 Feb 14

VegasSeagull says...

I seem to be in the minority with my thinking but that's ok, the sun will rise tomorrow, 25c, the world will continue to spin and the debate will continue.
I seem to be in the minority with my thinking but that's ok, the sun will rise tomorrow, 25c, the world will continue to spin and the debate will continue. VegasSeagull
  • Score: -1

12:04am Fri 14 Feb 14

Baldseagull says...

Oscar Garcia must be tempted to wrap Andy Naylor up in a lead casket.

If I was the Albion boss I would not talk to the Stokie before or after next Monday's FA Cup tie against Hull.

The FA cup is far too important to the fans to increase the danger of losing by not playing our best striker.

He is back in goalscoring form after delivering the decisive moments against Doncaster at the Amex last Saturday and Leeds on Tuesday.

Albion need him to stay fit and firing if they are going to progress into the next round of the Cup.

They coped well without Ulloa for ten weeks earlier in the season but they had Ashley Barnes then.

Any lay-off for Ulloa now would be a potentially fatal blow to their challenge.

It would be a big ask for Jonathan Obika or David Rodriguez to fill the void.

With due respect to the Tottenham loanee and the Spanish newcomer, neither of them looks ideally suited to leading the line by themselves in the rigorous environment of the FA Cup.

They do not have the same physical attributes as Ulloa to front up and retain possession against two strong centre-halves.

Albion have other key players Oscar would not want to lose, Matt Upson and Rohan Ince to name just two, but Ulloa is the one he really cannot afford to be without.
Oscar Garcia must be tempted to wrap Andy Naylor up in a lead casket. If I was the Albion boss I would not talk to the Stokie before or after next Monday's FA Cup tie against Hull. The FA cup is far too important to the fans to increase the danger of losing by not playing our best striker. He is back in goalscoring form after delivering the decisive moments against Doncaster at the Amex last Saturday and Leeds on Tuesday. Albion need him to stay fit and firing if they are going to progress into the next round of the Cup. They coped well without Ulloa for ten weeks earlier in the season but they had Ashley Barnes then. Any lay-off for Ulloa now would be a potentially fatal blow to their challenge. It would be a big ask for Jonathan Obika or David Rodriguez to fill the void. With due respect to the Tottenham loanee and the Spanish newcomer, neither of them looks ideally suited to leading the line by themselves in the rigorous environment of the FA Cup. They do not have the same physical attributes as Ulloa to front up and retain possession against two strong centre-halves. Albion have other key players Oscar would not want to lose, Matt Upson and Rohan Ince to name just two, but Ulloa is the one he really cannot afford to be without. Baldseagull
  • Score: 4

1:32am Fri 14 Feb 14

VegasSeagull says...

Baldseagull wrote:
Oscar Garcia must be tempted to wrap Andy Naylor up in a lead casket.

If I was the Albion boss I would not talk to the Stokie before or after next Monday's FA Cup tie against Hull.

The FA cup is far too important to the fans to increase the danger of losing by not playing our best striker.

He is back in goalscoring form after delivering the decisive moments against Doncaster at the Amex last Saturday and Leeds on Tuesday.

Albion need him to stay fit and firing if they are going to progress into the next round of the Cup.

They coped well without Ulloa for ten weeks earlier in the season but they had Ashley Barnes then.

Any lay-off for Ulloa now would be a potentially fatal blow to their challenge.

It would be a big ask for Jonathan Obika or David Rodriguez to fill the void.

With due respect to the Tottenham loanee and the Spanish newcomer, neither of them looks ideally suited to leading the line by themselves in the rigorous environment of the FA Cup.

They do not have the same physical attributes as Ulloa to front up and retain possession against two strong centre-halves.

Albion have other key players Oscar would not want to lose, Matt Upson and Rohan Ince to name just two, but Ulloa is the one he really cannot afford to be without.
I get your points but do those very points not also make a case for NOT, playing him.

He is scoring, keep him fit. He is vital, keep him fit. Others on our books are not as good, keep him fit. Every point that is made for playing him against Hull, could also be reasons for not risking him getting injured in a cup match.

It's a coin flip, you are either for it or against it but both arguements have merit.
[quote][p][bold]Baldseagull[/bold] wrote: Oscar Garcia must be tempted to wrap Andy Naylor up in a lead casket. If I was the Albion boss I would not talk to the Stokie before or after next Monday's FA Cup tie against Hull. The FA cup is far too important to the fans to increase the danger of losing by not playing our best striker. He is back in goalscoring form after delivering the decisive moments against Doncaster at the Amex last Saturday and Leeds on Tuesday. Albion need him to stay fit and firing if they are going to progress into the next round of the Cup. They coped well without Ulloa for ten weeks earlier in the season but they had Ashley Barnes then. Any lay-off for Ulloa now would be a potentially fatal blow to their challenge. It would be a big ask for Jonathan Obika or David Rodriguez to fill the void. With due respect to the Tottenham loanee and the Spanish newcomer, neither of them looks ideally suited to leading the line by themselves in the rigorous environment of the FA Cup. They do not have the same physical attributes as Ulloa to front up and retain possession against two strong centre-halves. Albion have other key players Oscar would not want to lose, Matt Upson and Rohan Ince to name just two, but Ulloa is the one he really cannot afford to be without.[/p][/quote]I get your points but do those very points not also make a case for NOT, playing him. He is scoring, keep him fit. He is vital, keep him fit. Others on our books are not as good, keep him fit. Every point that is made for playing him against Hull, could also be reasons for not risking him getting injured in a cup match. It's a coin flip, you are either for it or against it but both arguements have merit. VegasSeagull
  • Score: -5

1:37am Fri 14 Feb 14

WestStander17 says...

What a strange article! I think Dave from Bexhill is probably correct that Mr Naylor is just playing Devil's Advocate but he does seem to have taken it to a bit of an extreme.

"If I was the Albion boss I would not start the Argentinian in next Monday's FA Cup tie against Hull".

Very direct for the sake of just setting up an Argus Talking Point!

Anyway, for what its worth, I think most have it right on here. I think there might be sense in resting Leo and a lot of others if the situation were different but the facts are....

There is a good rest either side of the game. Match fatigue shouldn't be an issue.
Although Leo has started scoring, he is still a fair way off the form he was in before his injury. More games might get this back quicker which actually help our League situation.
Judging by his reaction to being substituted each time, he very much wants to play every minute. Not the sign of a player needing a rest.
It has fallen in such a way that however the draw comes out, there are potentially huge rewards for winning this game. If we lose playing our best team, so be it but it would be hard to take not knowing what could have been.

All this suggests to me that Leo should play. I think there maybe a couple of changes, I think he might swap the Goalkeepers as normal for the cup.

For me....
Brezovan; Bruno, Greer, Upson, Ward; Ince, Andrews (if fit), Orlandi or Dave, March, Rodriguez; Ulloa.
What a strange article! I think Dave from Bexhill is probably correct that Mr Naylor is just playing Devil's Advocate but he does seem to have taken it to a bit of an extreme. "If I was the Albion boss I would not start the Argentinian in next Monday's FA Cup tie against Hull". Very direct for the sake of just setting up an Argus Talking Point! Anyway, for what its worth, I think most have it right on here. I think there might be sense in resting Leo and a lot of others if the situation were different but the facts are.... There is a good rest either side of the game. Match fatigue shouldn't be an issue. Although Leo has started scoring, he is still a fair way off the form he was in before his injury. More games might get this back quicker which actually help our League situation. Judging by his reaction to being substituted each time, he very much wants to play every minute. Not the sign of a player needing a rest. It has fallen in such a way that however the draw comes out, there are potentially huge rewards for winning this game. If we lose playing our best team, so be it but it would be hard to take not knowing what could have been. All this suggests to me that Leo should play. I think there maybe a couple of changes, I think he might swap the Goalkeepers as normal for the cup. For me.... Brezovan; Bruno, Greer, Upson, Ward; Ince, Andrews (if fit), Orlandi or Dave, March, Rodriguez; Ulloa. WestStander17
  • Score: 5

5:15am Fri 14 Feb 14

Singing Seagull, Indonesia says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
I seem to be in the minority with my thinking but that's ok, the sun will rise tomorrow, 25c, the world will continue to spin and the debate will continue.
25c Vegas? Brrrrrrrr!! ;-)
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: I seem to be in the minority with my thinking but that's ok, the sun will rise tomorrow, 25c, the world will continue to spin and the debate will continue.[/p][/quote]25c Vegas? Brrrrrrrr!! ;-) Singing Seagull, Indonesia
  • Score: 1

5:15am Fri 14 Feb 14

Singing Seagull, Indonesia says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
I seem to be in the minority with my thinking but that's ok, the sun will rise tomorrow, 25c, the world will continue to spin and the debate will continue.
25c Vegas? Brrrrrrrr!! ;-)
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: I seem to be in the minority with my thinking but that's ok, the sun will rise tomorrow, 25c, the world will continue to spin and the debate will continue.[/p][/quote]25c Vegas? Brrrrrrrr!! ;-) Singing Seagull, Indonesia
  • Score: 1

7:10am Fri 14 Feb 14

gilbertthecat says...

Both arguments have merit here. Well done the writer for finding such a devisive issue though. On balance I think I'd play LU from the start. Whatever position Hull are in the Prem they are still a Prem side / squad. It would be good to take the opportunity to see how our squad stacks up against such players. We keep saying this player ios Prem standard and this one is not so maybe this is how we find out for sure.

As for those that say if Leo's not playing I'm not coming, well what can I say! That must make the others in the squad feel really appreciated. I support BHA and ALL it's players, not just one.
Both arguments have merit here. Well done the writer for finding such a devisive issue though. On balance I think I'd play LU from the start. Whatever position Hull are in the Prem they are still a Prem side / squad. It would be good to take the opportunity to see how our squad stacks up against such players. We keep saying this player ios Prem standard and this one is not so maybe this is how we find out for sure. As for those that say if Leo's not playing I'm not coming, well what can I say! That must make the others in the squad feel really appreciated. I support BHA and ALL it's players, not just one. gilbertthecat
  • Score: 4

9:20am Fri 14 Feb 14

Baldseagull says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Baldseagull wrote:
Oscar Garcia must be tempted to wrap Andy Naylor up in a lead casket.

If I was the Albion boss I would not talk to the Stokie before or after next Monday's FA Cup tie against Hull.

The FA cup is far too important to the fans to increase the danger of losing by not playing our best striker.

He is back in goalscoring form after delivering the decisive moments against Doncaster at the Amex last Saturday and Leeds on Tuesday.

Albion need him to stay fit and firing if they are going to progress into the next round of the Cup.

They coped well without Ulloa for ten weeks earlier in the season but they had Ashley Barnes then.

Any lay-off for Ulloa now would be a potentially fatal blow to their challenge.

It would be a big ask for Jonathan Obika or David Rodriguez to fill the void.

With due respect to the Tottenham loanee and the Spanish newcomer, neither of them looks ideally suited to leading the line by themselves in the rigorous environment of the FA Cup.

They do not have the same physical attributes as Ulloa to front up and retain possession against two strong centre-halves.

Albion have other key players Oscar would not want to lose, Matt Upson and Rohan Ince to name just two, but Ulloa is the one he really cannot afford to be without.
I get your points but do those very points not also make a case for NOT, playing him.

He is scoring, keep him fit. He is vital, keep him fit. Others on our books are not as good, keep him fit. Every point that is made for playing him against Hull, could also be reasons for not risking him getting injured in a cup match.

It's a coin flip, you are either for it or against it but both arguements have merit.
Whooosh!

Given that many of our injury problems have occured during training sessions, should we rest him from training too?
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baldseagull[/bold] wrote: Oscar Garcia must be tempted to wrap Andy Naylor up in a lead casket. If I was the Albion boss I would not talk to the Stokie before or after next Monday's FA Cup tie against Hull. The FA cup is far too important to the fans to increase the danger of losing by not playing our best striker. He is back in goalscoring form after delivering the decisive moments against Doncaster at the Amex last Saturday and Leeds on Tuesday. Albion need him to stay fit and firing if they are going to progress into the next round of the Cup. They coped well without Ulloa for ten weeks earlier in the season but they had Ashley Barnes then. Any lay-off for Ulloa now would be a potentially fatal blow to their challenge. It would be a big ask for Jonathan Obika or David Rodriguez to fill the void. With due respect to the Tottenham loanee and the Spanish newcomer, neither of them looks ideally suited to leading the line by themselves in the rigorous environment of the FA Cup. They do not have the same physical attributes as Ulloa to front up and retain possession against two strong centre-halves. Albion have other key players Oscar would not want to lose, Matt Upson and Rohan Ince to name just two, but Ulloa is the one he really cannot afford to be without.[/p][/quote]I get your points but do those very points not also make a case for NOT, playing him. He is scoring, keep him fit. He is vital, keep him fit. Others on our books are not as good, keep him fit. Every point that is made for playing him against Hull, could also be reasons for not risking him getting injured in a cup match. It's a coin flip, you are either for it or against it but both arguements have merit.[/p][/quote]Whooosh! Given that many of our injury problems have occured during training sessions, should we rest him from training too? Baldseagull
  • Score: 3

12:17pm Fri 14 Feb 14

rockie says...

Baldseagull wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Baldseagull wrote: Oscar Garcia must be tempted to wrap Andy Naylor up in a lead casket. If I was the Albion boss I would not talk to the Stokie before or after next Monday's FA Cup tie against Hull. The FA cup is far too important to the fans to increase the danger of losing by not playing our best striker. He is back in goalscoring form after delivering the decisive moments against Doncaster at the Amex last Saturday and Leeds on Tuesday. Albion need him to stay fit and firing if they are going to progress into the next round of the Cup. They coped well without Ulloa for ten weeks earlier in the season but they had Ashley Barnes then. Any lay-off for Ulloa now would be a potentially fatal blow to their challenge. It would be a big ask for Jonathan Obika or David Rodriguez to fill the void. With due respect to the Tottenham loanee and the Spanish newcomer, neither of them looks ideally suited to leading the line by themselves in the rigorous environment of the FA Cup. They do not have the same physical attributes as Ulloa to front up and retain possession against two strong centre-halves. Albion have other key players Oscar would not want to lose, Matt Upson and Rohan Ince to name just two, but Ulloa is the one he really cannot afford to be without.
I get your points but do those very points not also make a case for NOT, playing him. He is scoring, keep him fit. He is vital, keep him fit. Others on our books are not as good, keep him fit. Every point that is made for playing him against Hull, could also be reasons for not risking him getting injured in a cup match. It's a coin flip, you are either for it or against it but both arguements have merit.
Whooosh! Given that many of our injury problems have occured during training sessions, should we rest him from training too?
See my quote to Dorset Seagull 12.08pm 'Oscar to make changes...' thread. Just go and watch the match and stop trying to be managers/coaches/tea
m selectors...
[quote][p][bold]Baldseagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baldseagull[/bold] wrote: Oscar Garcia must be tempted to wrap Andy Naylor up in a lead casket. If I was the Albion boss I would not talk to the Stokie before or after next Monday's FA Cup tie against Hull. The FA cup is far too important to the fans to increase the danger of losing by not playing our best striker. He is back in goalscoring form after delivering the decisive moments against Doncaster at the Amex last Saturday and Leeds on Tuesday. Albion need him to stay fit and firing if they are going to progress into the next round of the Cup. They coped well without Ulloa for ten weeks earlier in the season but they had Ashley Barnes then. Any lay-off for Ulloa now would be a potentially fatal blow to their challenge. It would be a big ask for Jonathan Obika or David Rodriguez to fill the void. With due respect to the Tottenham loanee and the Spanish newcomer, neither of them looks ideally suited to leading the line by themselves in the rigorous environment of the FA Cup. They do not have the same physical attributes as Ulloa to front up and retain possession against two strong centre-halves. Albion have other key players Oscar would not want to lose, Matt Upson and Rohan Ince to name just two, but Ulloa is the one he really cannot afford to be without.[/p][/quote]I get your points but do those very points not also make a case for NOT, playing him. He is scoring, keep him fit. He is vital, keep him fit. Others on our books are not as good, keep him fit. Every point that is made for playing him against Hull, could also be reasons for not risking him getting injured in a cup match. It's a coin flip, you are either for it or against it but both arguements have merit.[/p][/quote]Whooosh! Given that many of our injury problems have occured during training sessions, should we rest him from training too?[/p][/quote]See my quote to Dorset Seagull 12.08pm 'Oscar to make changes...' thread. Just go and watch the match and stop trying to be managers/coaches/tea m selectors... rockie
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1:17pm Fri 14 Feb 14

tinker111 says...

brightonfan34 wrote:
ulloa has to start for me and obika is rubbish
OH SO VERY WELL SAID ABOUT J O back to spurs ASAP and to HELL WITH the W/WIZARD THINKS ALBIION don't take what he thinks of players in future
[quote][p][bold]brightonfan34[/bold] wrote: ulloa has to start for me and obika is rubbish[/p][/quote]OH SO VERY WELL SAID ABOUT J O back to spurs ASAP and to HELL WITH the W/WIZARD THINKS ALBIION don't take what he thinks of players in future tinker111
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2:11pm Fri 14 Feb 14

VegasSeagull says...

Singing Seagull, Indonesia wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
I seem to be in the minority with my thinking but that's ok, the sun will rise tomorrow, 25c, the world will continue to spin and the debate will continue.
25c Vegas? Brrrrrrrr!! ;-)
well it is still officially winter
[quote][p][bold]Singing Seagull, Indonesia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: I seem to be in the minority with my thinking but that's ok, the sun will rise tomorrow, 25c, the world will continue to spin and the debate will continue.[/p][/quote]25c Vegas? Brrrrrrrr!! ;-)[/p][/quote]well it is still officially winter VegasSeagull
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6:50pm Fri 14 Feb 14

Zamora251 says...

If you was to ask Ulloa, I bet he would say he wants to play against Hull City on Monday night, this just shows Andy Naylor the Argus reporter is talking out of his arse and doesn't know what he's talking about anyway!!
If you was to ask Ulloa, I bet he would say he wants to play against Hull City on Monday night, this just shows Andy Naylor the Argus reporter is talking out of his arse and doesn't know what he's talking about anyway!! Zamora251
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