Talking Point: Forest look vulnerable

Billy Davies

Billy Davies

First published in Sport by , Chief sports reporter

If Albion are going to reach the play-offs again they need to overtake two of the teams currently above them.

They can ease ahead of one by beating Reading at the Amex on Saturday.

Of the current top six Nottingham Forest look the most vulnerable, more so than Wigan who were outplayed at the Amex but still won.

I expect Wigan to finish the season strongly now they have edged their way into a play-off spot.

Forest, meanwhile, are floundering. Last Saturday's 4-1 home drubbing by Wigan means they have taken only five points from the last 15.

They are ravaged by injuries and, to compound their problems, easy-to-loathe boss Billy Davies has just been handed a five-match touchline ban.

Albion are six points adrift of Forest with a game in hand and go to the City Ground on the last day.

QPR, who visit the Amex next Tuesday, are rocking as well but Forest offer the Seagulls their best hope of prolonging the season.

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5:23pm Thu 6 Mar 14

pablobrowno says...

Ha ha "easy-to-loathe boss Billy Davies "....don't pull your punches Andy!
Ha ha "easy-to-loathe boss Billy Davies "....don't pull your punches Andy! pablobrowno
  • Score: 15

5:29pm Thu 6 Mar 14

ColinPep1 says...

It's now looking like there could be two spots available as Forest are wobbling, whereas before it looked like Brighton, Wigan and Reading fighting for one spot.
It's now looking like there could be two spots available as Forest are wobbling, whereas before it looked like Brighton, Wigan and Reading fighting for one spot. ColinPep1
  • Score: 4

5:39pm Thu 6 Mar 14

DuncanThickett says...

Talking of Reading (well, they are relevant to this conversation), is Wayne Bridge still there? Has he played at all this season?
Talking of Reading (well, they are relevant to this conversation), is Wayne Bridge still there? Has he played at all this season? DuncanThickett
  • Score: 0

5:45pm Thu 6 Mar 14

Neville says...

Wigan seem to have the momentum and have finances from parachute and cup revenue to strengthen if required.Outplayed by Brighton at the Amex but still won,Rosler seems to have them well prepared for all matches and passion was evident at the Amex.
I think Leicester,Burnley (havent hit a bad spell at all yet),Derby and Wigan will be four of the teams with the other 2 places between QPR,NFrst,Reading and Albion,with Ipswich,Leeds and Blackburn pushing behind.
We now need consistency and goals and at home I want to see us score first and not concede within 25 mins and then have to chase the game.
OG in my opinion has to be more adventurous,I don't mind seeing the possession in our own half when we are winning but not when drawing or losing,possession in our own half hurts nobody.
The crowd can play a big big part but they need to be encouraged with attacking play right from the start and not just the last 20 mins or so.
Wigan seem to have the momentum and have finances from parachute and cup revenue to strengthen if required.Outplayed by Brighton at the Amex but still won,Rosler seems to have them well prepared for all matches and passion was evident at the Amex. I think Leicester,Burnley (havent hit a bad spell at all yet),Derby and Wigan will be four of the teams with the other 2 places between QPR,NFrst,Reading and Albion,with Ipswich,Leeds and Blackburn pushing behind. We now need consistency and goals and at home I want to see us score first and not concede within 25 mins and then have to chase the game. OG in my opinion has to be more adventurous,I don't mind seeing the possession in our own half when we are winning but not when drawing or losing,possession in our own half hurts nobody. The crowd can play a big big part but they need to be encouraged with attacking play right from the start and not just the last 20 mins or so. Neville
  • Score: 18

5:56pm Thu 6 Mar 14

Alfie T says...

pablobrowno wrote:
Ha ha "easy-to-loathe boss Billy Davies "....don't pull your punches Andy!
Despicable little weasel, that's Davies,not you Pablo.
[quote][p][bold]pablobrowno[/bold] wrote: Ha ha "easy-to-loathe boss Billy Davies "....don't pull your punches Andy![/p][/quote]Despicable little weasel, that's Davies,not you Pablo. Alfie T
  • Score: 10

5:59pm Thu 6 Mar 14

Asleep in Dorset says...

It's very straightforward, win all our games and we're in the playoffs, not rocket science !
It's very straightforward, win all our games and we're in the playoffs, not rocket science ! Asleep in Dorset
  • Score: 4

6:01pm Thu 6 Mar 14

dave from bexill says...

Neville wrote:
Wigan seem to have the momentum and have finances from parachute and cup revenue to strengthen if required.Outplayed by Brighton at the Amex but still won,Rosler seems to have them well prepared for all matches and passion was evident at the Amex.
I think Leicester,Burnley (havent hit a bad spell at all yet),Derby and Wigan will be four of the teams with the other 2 places between QPR,NFrst,Reading and Albion,with Ipswich,Leeds and Blackburn pushing behind.
We now need consistency and goals and at home I want to see us score first and not concede within 25 mins and then have to chase the game.
OG in my opinion has to be more adventurous,I don't mind seeing the possession in our own half when we are winning but not when drawing or losing,possession in our own half hurts nobody.
The crowd can play a big big part but they need to be encouraged with attacking play right from the start and not just the last 20 mins or so.
Ha, that's eleven out of the current top twelve Neville. Is that what's called hedging your bets?
[quote][p][bold]Neville[/bold] wrote: Wigan seem to have the momentum and have finances from parachute and cup revenue to strengthen if required.Outplayed by Brighton at the Amex but still won,Rosler seems to have them well prepared for all matches and passion was evident at the Amex. I think Leicester,Burnley (havent hit a bad spell at all yet),Derby and Wigan will be four of the teams with the other 2 places between QPR,NFrst,Reading and Albion,with Ipswich,Leeds and Blackburn pushing behind. We now need consistency and goals and at home I want to see us score first and not concede within 25 mins and then have to chase the game. OG in my opinion has to be more adventurous,I don't mind seeing the possession in our own half when we are winning but not when drawing or losing,possession in our own half hurts nobody. The crowd can play a big big part but they need to be encouraged with attacking play right from the start and not just the last 20 mins or so.[/p][/quote]Ha, that's eleven out of the current top twelve Neville. Is that what's called hedging your bets? dave from bexill
  • Score: 4

6:20pm Thu 6 Mar 14

VegasSeagull says...

Readiing and Forest, yep they both look nervous options for the top six spots, but I wouldn't rule out QPR also teetering on the edge, the top three as it stands now look good for auto with one in the playoffs, Derby.

QPR have taken just 2 points from the last 15, that has to worry Arry, as should their remaining fixtures. Picking out what look to be tough matches they have, Us, Wigan, Forest, Leicester and a trip to Blackburn, plus a couple of other matches that could be awkward, they might well struggle this Saturday, away to Birmingham. There could be three spots up for grabs, QPR v Forest ending in a draw would help us, and Wigan.
Readiing and Forest, yep they both look nervous options for the top six spots, but I wouldn't rule out QPR also teetering on the edge, the top three as it stands now look good for auto with one in the playoffs, Derby. QPR have taken just 2 points from the last 15, that has to worry Arry, as should their remaining fixtures. Picking out what look to be tough matches they have, Us, Wigan, Forest, Leicester and a trip to Blackburn, plus a couple of other matches that could be awkward, they might well struggle this Saturday, away to Birmingham. There could be three spots up for grabs, QPR v Forest ending in a draw would help us, and Wigan. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 2

6:20pm Thu 6 Mar 14

mark by the sea says...

Worrying about other results won't matter a jot, we need to score more than 1 Saturday and Tuesday to win either game in my opinion, and let's concentrate on what the club and the fans do over next few months, fans have been terrible at the Amex, so quiet and lacking backing until we are behind or ahead.. Fans need to step up and leave the prawn sandwiches at home.
Worrying about other results won't matter a jot, we need to score more than 1 Saturday and Tuesday to win either game in my opinion, and let's concentrate on what the club and the fans do over next few months, fans have been terrible at the Amex, so quiet and lacking backing until we are behind or ahead.. Fans need to step up and leave the prawn sandwiches at home. mark by the sea
  • Score: 1

6:22pm Thu 6 Mar 14

VegasSeagull says...

Just to clarify, I am thinking Forest, QPR and Reading could drop out of top six come the end of the season, yes I know Reading are not currently in the top six.
Just to clarify, I am thinking Forest, QPR and Reading could drop out of top six come the end of the season, yes I know Reading are not currently in the top six. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 0

6:32pm Thu 6 Mar 14

fratsomrover says...

Forest are certainly rocking and I rather hope they will drop out of the picture before we play them last game of the season.
l also fancy QPR may be fighting for that 6th spot too.
They're not as good as Leicester, Burnley or Derby and I fancy it will be pretty close at the end of the day between them, us and Wigan.
I dont think I'd fancy a "winner take all" scenario at Forest.
That said, if we dont win on Saturday and Tuesday, it'll probably be all over for us anyway. However, I do fancy us to collect all 6 points !!! UTA
Forest are certainly rocking and I rather hope they will drop out of the picture before we play them last game of the season. l also fancy QPR may be fighting for that 6th spot too. They're not as good as Leicester, Burnley or Derby and I fancy it will be pretty close at the end of the day between them, us and Wigan. I dont think I'd fancy a "winner take all" scenario at Forest. That said, if we dont win on Saturday and Tuesday, it'll probably be all over for us anyway. However, I do fancy us to collect all 6 points !!! UTA fratsomrover
  • Score: 0

6:34pm Thu 6 Mar 14

namgo49 says...

What a good down to earth piece by AT, written like a supporter. They have been stuttering since BD was given a fresh contract and are now in freefall. Don't expect them to make the playoffs but do expect the manager to be sacked then to cash in on the unused portion of his contract.

They are well off the FFP with their losses and I do hope they will be suitably punished. Talking of which QPR's losses put everyone else in the shade. Harry however just carries on regardless. Another few duff results and he will be out on his ear come season end. That will be his last job methinks. Leicester too mammoth losses. If the FFP is to work it must be on points deductions, not just fines.

Realistically there is only one play off place up for grabs, the rest should maintain enough form to make it. My only doubt is QPR which makes for an interesting evening next Tuesday.
What a good down to earth piece by AT, written like a supporter. They have been stuttering since BD was given a fresh contract and are now in freefall. Don't expect them to make the playoffs but do expect the manager to be sacked then to cash in on the unused portion of his contract. They are well off the FFP with their losses and I do hope they will be suitably punished. Talking of which QPR's losses put everyone else in the shade. Harry however just carries on regardless. Another few duff results and he will be out on his ear come season end. That will be his last job methinks. Leicester too mammoth losses. If the FFP is to work it must be on points deductions, not just fines. Realistically there is only one play off place up for grabs, the rest should maintain enough form to make it. My only doubt is QPR which makes for an interesting evening next Tuesday. namgo49
  • Score: 2

7:04pm Thu 6 Mar 14

JeffLomer says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Worrying about other results won't matter a jot, we need to score more than 1 Saturday and Tuesday to win either game in my opinion, and let's concentrate on what the club and the fans do over next few months, fans have been terrible at the Amex, so quiet and lacking backing until we are behind or ahead.. Fans need to step up and leave the prawn sandwiches at home.
I think your one off five per cent on here, the other ninety five per cent just waffle on, the people who talk sense get negative fees





i think you are one off five per cent on here that talk sense about our club, i find the people who talk sense seem to get negative feed back, but not many people actually say why they give thumbs down, your spot on with your comment!!
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: Worrying about other results won't matter a jot, we need to score more than 1 Saturday and Tuesday to win either game in my opinion, and let's concentrate on what the club and the fans do over next few months, fans have been terrible at the Amex, so quiet and lacking backing until we are behind or ahead.. Fans need to step up and leave the prawn sandwiches at home.[/p][/quote]I think your one off five per cent on here, the other ninety five per cent just waffle on, the people who talk sense get negative fees i think you are one off five per cent on here that talk sense about our club, i find the people who talk sense seem to get negative feed back, but not many people actually say why they give thumbs down, your spot on with your comment!! JeffLomer
  • Score: -8

7:25pm Thu 6 Mar 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

JeffLomer - people receive thumbs down when people disagree with them. I find the people who talk sense seem to get positive feedback (ie those who write based on facts rather than passing opinion off as truth, and those who manage to avoid being inconsistent).
JeffLomer - people receive thumbs down when people disagree with them. I find the people who talk sense seem to get positive feedback (ie those who write based on facts rather than passing opinion off as truth, and those who manage to avoid being inconsistent). Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 9

8:08pm Thu 6 Mar 14

Fletch1972 says...

What a delightful piece of journalism. Insightful, totally unbiased (not) and utter rubbish!! QPR and Nottingham Forest are ravaged by injuries. However come the end of the season these two teams will be almost back to full strength. Forest will be able to call on Andy Reid, Henri Lansbury, David Vaughan & Kelvin Wilson. So please don't delude your adoring public into thinking that there may be a 'winner takes all' game on the last day of the season. Forest, QPR, Wigan and Reading will be well out of the mighty Albions reach by then. Those teams I have mentioned have all had or are having wobbles yet they are still ahead of you lot so rather than laughing and mocking others misfortunes you need to win your games and hope others lose. We however have to ride out this period get our players back and push on. Incidentally, hoping that Forest get severely punished for a breach of FFP when last season our owner tragically died and the new one had to take over and pay for the club to his estate leaving no option but to breach FFP rules, gambling on spending money to get out of the league so sanctions won't be imposed is ridiculous. Because of course, if your owners were in the same position they wouldn't do the same?? Too much sea air down there I think!!
What a delightful piece of journalism. Insightful, totally unbiased (not) and utter rubbish!! QPR and Nottingham Forest are ravaged by injuries. However come the end of the season these two teams will be almost back to full strength. Forest will be able to call on Andy Reid, Henri Lansbury, David Vaughan & Kelvin Wilson. So please don't delude your adoring public into thinking that there may be a 'winner takes all' game on the last day of the season. Forest, QPR, Wigan and Reading will be well out of the mighty Albions reach by then. Those teams I have mentioned have all had or are having wobbles yet they are still ahead of you lot so rather than laughing and mocking others misfortunes you need to win your games and hope others lose. We however have to ride out this period get our players back and push on. Incidentally, hoping that Forest get severely punished for a breach of FFP when last season our owner tragically died and the new one had to take over and pay for the club to his estate leaving no option but to breach FFP rules, gambling on spending money to get out of the league so sanctions won't be imposed is ridiculous. Because of course, if your owners were in the same position they wouldn't do the same?? Too much sea air down there I think!! Fletch1972
  • Score: -10

9:17pm Thu 6 Mar 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

I love how Fletch1972 claims QPR and Forest have been ravaged by injuries, forgetting who he is bleating too :-)

And to claim the death of Forest's owner (tragic though that obviously is) is somehow to blame for breaching FFP is disingenuous to say the least.

Hilarious.
I love how Fletch1972 claims QPR and Forest have been ravaged by injuries, forgetting who he is bleating too :-) And to claim the death of Forest's owner (tragic though that obviously is) is somehow to blame for breaching FFP is disingenuous to say the least. Hilarious. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 3

9:32pm Thu 6 Mar 14

gordongull says...

Fletch1972 wrote:
What a delightful piece of journalism. Insightful, totally unbiased (not) and utter rubbish!! QPR and Nottingham Forest are ravaged by injuries. However come the end of the season these two teams will be almost back to full strength. Forest will be able to call on Andy Reid, Henri Lansbury, David Vaughan & Kelvin Wilson. So please don't delude your adoring public into thinking that there may be a 'winner takes all' game on the last day of the season. Forest, QPR, Wigan and Reading will be well out of the mighty Albions reach by then. Those teams I have mentioned have all had or are having wobbles yet they are still ahead of you lot so rather than laughing and mocking others misfortunes you need to win your games and hope others lose. We however have to ride out this period get our players back and push on. Incidentally, hoping that Forest get severely punished for a breach of FFP when last season our owner tragically died and the new one had to take over and pay for the club to his estate leaving no option but to breach FFP rules, gambling on spending money to get out of the league so sanctions won't be imposed is ridiculous. Because of course, if your owners were in the same position they wouldn't do the same?? Too much sea air down there I think!!
QPR, Wigan, and Reading have each received £23m in parachute payments, and that's only the first year's installment.
That is what we have to compete against.
The injuries at Forest are likely to impact on where they finish. We should know, we've got enough injury problems of our own.
No-one on this site has been, ''laughing and mocking others' misfortunes'', except for one or two remarks celebrating the personality of Billy Davis.
[quote][p][bold]Fletch1972[/bold] wrote: What a delightful piece of journalism. Insightful, totally unbiased (not) and utter rubbish!! QPR and Nottingham Forest are ravaged by injuries. However come the end of the season these two teams will be almost back to full strength. Forest will be able to call on Andy Reid, Henri Lansbury, David Vaughan & Kelvin Wilson. So please don't delude your adoring public into thinking that there may be a 'winner takes all' game on the last day of the season. Forest, QPR, Wigan and Reading will be well out of the mighty Albions reach by then. Those teams I have mentioned have all had or are having wobbles yet they are still ahead of you lot so rather than laughing and mocking others misfortunes you need to win your games and hope others lose. We however have to ride out this period get our players back and push on. Incidentally, hoping that Forest get severely punished for a breach of FFP when last season our owner tragically died and the new one had to take over and pay for the club to his estate leaving no option but to breach FFP rules, gambling on spending money to get out of the league so sanctions won't be imposed is ridiculous. Because of course, if your owners were in the same position they wouldn't do the same?? Too much sea air down there I think!![/p][/quote]QPR, Wigan, and Reading have each received £23m in parachute payments, and that's only the first year's installment. That is what we have to compete against. The injuries at Forest are likely to impact on where they finish. We should know, we've got enough injury problems of our own. No-one on this site has been, ''laughing and mocking others' misfortunes'', except for one or two remarks celebrating the personality of Billy Davis. gordongull
  • Score: 1

10:32pm Thu 6 Mar 14

mark by the sea says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
JeffLomer - people receive thumbs down when people disagree with them. I find the people who talk sense seem to get positive feedback (ie those who write based on facts rather than passing opinion off as truth, and those who manage to avoid being inconsistent).
Yes I also think those that actually go to games know more than the keyboard warriors .
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: JeffLomer - people receive thumbs down when people disagree with them. I find the people who talk sense seem to get positive feedback (ie those who write based on facts rather than passing opinion off as truth, and those who manage to avoid being inconsistent).[/p][/quote]Yes I also think those that actually go to games know more than the keyboard warriors . mark by the sea
  • Score: 2

10:38pm Thu 6 Mar 14

mark by the sea says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Just to clarify, I am thinking Forest, QPR and Reading could drop out of top six come the end of the season, yes I know Reading are not currently in the top six.
Based on what? Problem is the standard this season is lower than last, our home form has been terrible and we are in with a shout, will we make the play offs? I honestly can't say, but 2 goals a game is what we should be at..
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Just to clarify, I am thinking Forest, QPR and Reading could drop out of top six come the end of the season, yes I know Reading are not currently in the top six.[/p][/quote]Based on what? Problem is the standard this season is lower than last, our home form has been terrible and we are in with a shout, will we make the play offs? I honestly can't say, but 2 goals a game is what we should be at.. mark by the sea
  • Score: 0

10:57pm Thu 6 Mar 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
JeffLomer - people receive thumbs down when people disagree with them. I find the people who talk sense seem to get positive feedback (ie those who write based on facts rather than passing opinion off as truth, and those who manage to avoid being inconsistent).
Yes I also think those that actually go to games know more than the keyboard warriors .
Those of us who go to games regularly may have a better idea of the players and the tactics, but to think we know more about football is hubris and arrogance.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: JeffLomer - people receive thumbs down when people disagree with them. I find the people who talk sense seem to get positive feedback (ie those who write based on facts rather than passing opinion off as truth, and those who manage to avoid being inconsistent).[/p][/quote]Yes I also think those that actually go to games know more than the keyboard warriors .[/p][/quote]Those of us who go to games regularly may have a better idea of the players and the tactics, but to think we know more about football is hubris and arrogance. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 3

11:52pm Thu 6 Mar 14

Cory and Trevor says...

Billy D's got a right chip on his shoulder, not least cos he's been unlucky in play-offs nuff times. He'll be hating all this now the top two look beyond them. For all his playing down their chances and their expectations to the media, constantly referring to their injuries, a club that's spent so much on its squad can't complain and Davis can't disguise his desperation. QPR, Forest, Blackburn, Leicester, there are plenty looking suss for FFP. i wish them all the worst.
Billy D's got a right chip on his shoulder, not least cos he's been unlucky in play-offs nuff times. He'll be hating all this now the top two look beyond them. For all his playing down their chances and their expectations to the media, constantly referring to their injuries, a club that's spent so much on its squad can't complain and Davis can't disguise his desperation. QPR, Forest, Blackburn, Leicester, there are plenty looking suss for FFP. i wish them all the worst. Cory and Trevor
  • Score: -1

11:57pm Thu 6 Mar 14

Ken in Spain says...

This is all looking positive for me. QPR doing a Pompey, Forest in meltdown, Reading can’t beat 8 man Yeovil.
Actually, hang on, that’s makes them desperate, fighting for their lives so maybe not so good!

I am constantly amazed by comments on here about players not being “Premiership class”. I can only assume that they haven’t noticed that players from teams like Swansea and Southampton that we played against in the lower divisions are now representing their countries. We certainly do not need to get rid of shedloads of players and buy in losers from other clubs. I know it is not popular to say it but it is a team game. If this team goes up they have earnt the right to play there, with hopefully the addition of a guaranteed 30 goal a season striker from Spain! That should do it.

Have to comment on QPR. Bernie Ecclestone invested in them with some other billionaires, over spent to get them promoted then sold the club to a mug. Hopefully those days have gone.
This is all looking positive for me. QPR doing a Pompey, Forest in meltdown, Reading can’t beat 8 man Yeovil. Actually, hang on, that’s makes them desperate, fighting for their lives so maybe not so good! I am constantly amazed by comments on here about players not being “Premiership class”. I can only assume that they haven’t noticed that players from teams like Swansea and Southampton that we played against in the lower divisions are now representing their countries. We certainly do not need to get rid of shedloads of players and buy in losers from other clubs. I know it is not popular to say it but it is a team game. If this team goes up they have earnt the right to play there, with hopefully the addition of a guaranteed 30 goal a season striker from Spain! That should do it. Have to comment on QPR. Bernie Ecclestone invested in them with some other billionaires, over spent to get them promoted then sold the club to a mug. Hopefully those days have gone. Ken in Spain
  • Score: 1

1:19am Fri 7 Mar 14

KeefyH44 says...

Alfie T wrote:
pablobrowno wrote:
Ha ha "easy-to-loathe boss Billy DaviesI don't like personal comments as a rule, people can't help what they look like nor their height, colour Tec, but I'm prepared to make an exception in Davies case, poison dwarf!!!!
[quote][p][bold]Alfie T[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pablobrowno[/bold] wrote: Ha ha "easy-to-loathe boss Billy DaviesI don't like personal comments as a rule, people can't help what they look like nor their height, colour Tec, but I'm prepared to make an exception in Davies case, poison dwarf!!!! KeefyH44
  • Score: -1

4:36am Fri 7 Mar 14

mark by the sea says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
JeffLomer - people receive thumbs down when people disagree with them. I find the people who talk sense seem to get positive feedback (ie those who write based on facts rather than passing opinion off as truth, and those who manage to avoid being inconsistent).
Yes I also think those that actually go to games know more than the keyboard warriors .
Those of us who go to games regularly may have a better idea of the players and the tactics, but to think we know more about football is hubris and arrogance.
Point is Arnie , I have a opinion where are your comments are based on disagreeing with other comments, remind me when cms is going to play again? You read the argus , which you follow as though it's the gospel,
Ten years ago cms and Hoskins would both be on the verge of retiring due to the injuries, you think because they return to training they are ready!
Go back 5 years ago Adam HInshlewood had knee surgury and was never right, he came back "ready "
I know you love my predictions, unless we score more than our 1 goal Saturday , we won't win, 1-1 , Tuesday same again...
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: JeffLomer - people receive thumbs down when people disagree with them. I find the people who talk sense seem to get positive feedback (ie those who write based on facts rather than passing opinion off as truth, and those who manage to avoid being inconsistent).[/p][/quote]Yes I also think those that actually go to games know more than the keyboard warriors .[/p][/quote]Those of us who go to games regularly may have a better idea of the players and the tactics, but to think we know more about football is hubris and arrogance.[/p][/quote]Point is Arnie , I have a opinion where are your comments are based on disagreeing with other comments, remind me when cms is going to play again? You read the argus , which you follow as though it's the gospel, Ten years ago cms and Hoskins would both be on the verge of retiring due to the injuries, you think because they return to training they are ready! Go back 5 years ago Adam HInshlewood had knee surgury and was never right, he came back "ready " I know you love my predictions, unless we score more than our 1 goal Saturday , we won't win, 1-1 , Tuesday same again... mark by the sea
  • Score: -1

9:35am Fri 7 Mar 14

Piglet1 says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
JeffLomer - people receive thumbs down when people disagree with them. I find the people who talk sense seem to get positive feedback (ie those who write based on facts rather than passing opinion off as truth, and those who manage to avoid being inconsistent).
Yes I also think those that actually go to games know more than the keyboard warriors .
Those of us who go to games regularly may have a better idea of the players and the tactics, but to think we know more about football is hubris and arrogance.
Point is Arnie , I have a opinion where are your comments are based on disagreeing with other comments, remind me when cms is going to play again? You read the argus , which you follow as though it's the gospel,
Ten years ago cms and Hoskins would both be on the verge of retiring due to the injuries, you think because they return to training they are ready!
Go back 5 years ago Adam HInshlewood had knee surgury and was never right, he came back "ready "
I know you love my predictions, unless we score more than our 1 goal Saturday , we won't win, 1-1 , Tuesday same again...
No point me going then as you know it all.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: JeffLomer - people receive thumbs down when people disagree with them. I find the people who talk sense seem to get positive feedback (ie those who write based on facts rather than passing opinion off as truth, and those who manage to avoid being inconsistent).[/p][/quote]Yes I also think those that actually go to games know more than the keyboard warriors .[/p][/quote]Those of us who go to games regularly may have a better idea of the players and the tactics, but to think we know more about football is hubris and arrogance.[/p][/quote]Point is Arnie , I have a opinion where are your comments are based on disagreeing with other comments, remind me when cms is going to play again? You read the argus , which you follow as though it's the gospel, Ten years ago cms and Hoskins would both be on the verge of retiring due to the injuries, you think because they return to training they are ready! Go back 5 years ago Adam HInshlewood had knee surgury and was never right, he came back "ready " I know you love my predictions, unless we score more than our 1 goal Saturday , we won't win, 1-1 , Tuesday same again...[/p][/quote]No point me going then as you know it all. Piglet1
  • Score: 1

10:19am Fri 7 Mar 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
JeffLomer - people receive thumbs down when people disagree with them. I find the people who talk sense seem to get positive feedback (ie those who write based on facts rather than passing opinion off as truth, and those who manage to avoid being inconsistent).
Yes I also think those that actually go to games know more than the keyboard warriors .
Those of us who go to games regularly may have a better idea of the players and the tactics, but to think we know more about football is hubris and arrogance.
Point is Arnie , I have a opinion where are your comments are based on disagreeing with other comments, remind me when cms is going to play again? You read the argus , which you follow as though it's the gospel,
Ten years ago cms and Hoskins would both be on the verge of retiring due to the injuries, you think because they return to training they are ready!
Go back 5 years ago Adam HInshlewood had knee surgury and was never right, he came back "ready "
I know you love my predictions, unless we score more than our 1 goal Saturday , we won't win, 1-1 , Tuesday same again...
Mark, you should know better than to judge one person's injury by another's. Surgery has improved immensely in the last 10 years, and although there is the chance that neither player will be quite the same again, it is also entirely possible that they will.

And yes, you have opinions, and you have every right to hold and express them, but then I have the right to disagree if I think something you have said is factually wrong (eg when you claimed Kemy would start trying now because his contract was up in a few weeks, when in fact it runs until next summer, or when you said we should be scoring two per game). I'm not the only one disagreeing with you, by the way, hence the thumbs down.

Most of your comments I can't be bothered disagreeing with because I know you think I'm picking on you, so I choose my stories carefully.

But still, we both support the Albion, we just have different ways of doing that; me with positivity...
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: JeffLomer - people receive thumbs down when people disagree with them. I find the people who talk sense seem to get positive feedback (ie those who write based on facts rather than passing opinion off as truth, and those who manage to avoid being inconsistent).[/p][/quote]Yes I also think those that actually go to games know more than the keyboard warriors .[/p][/quote]Those of us who go to games regularly may have a better idea of the players and the tactics, but to think we know more about football is hubris and arrogance.[/p][/quote]Point is Arnie , I have a opinion where are your comments are based on disagreeing with other comments, remind me when cms is going to play again? You read the argus , which you follow as though it's the gospel, Ten years ago cms and Hoskins would both be on the verge of retiring due to the injuries, you think because they return to training they are ready! Go back 5 years ago Adam HInshlewood had knee surgury and was never right, he came back "ready " I know you love my predictions, unless we score more than our 1 goal Saturday , we won't win, 1-1 , Tuesday same again...[/p][/quote]Mark, you should know better than to judge one person's injury by another's. Surgery has improved immensely in the last 10 years, and although there is the chance that neither player will be quite the same again, it is also entirely possible that they will. And yes, you have opinions, and you have every right to hold and express them, but then I have the right to disagree if I think something you have said is factually wrong (eg when you claimed Kemy would start trying now because his contract was up in a few weeks, when in fact it runs until next summer, or when you said we should be scoring two per game). I'm not the only one disagreeing with you, by the way, hence the thumbs down. Most of your comments I can't be bothered disagreeing with because I know you think I'm picking on you, so I choose my stories carefully. But still, we both support the Albion, we just have different ways of doing that; me with positivity... Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: -2

10:28am Fri 7 Mar 14

Captain Haddock says...

pablobrowno wrote:
Ha ha "easy-to-loathe boss Billy Davies "....don't pull your punches Andy!
Yes and I think it's almost fact rather than opinion! He really is up there with the worst of 'em for his gargantuanlly blinkered post-match comments, unpleasant demeanour, aggressive touchline manner and of course now willingness to spend Forest into oblivion with other people's money a la Redknapp, only unlike Dirty 'Arry he does so in the FULL knowledge of the consequences.

As for AN's assessment, I agree with him. Overtake Reading and Forest by. May and it's hello play-offs. I think QPR may drop out too. Fans are REALLY not happy. They have the strongest squad but haven't even played Arry's usual attacking gung-ho style.
[quote][p][bold]pablobrowno[/bold] wrote: Ha ha "easy-to-loathe boss Billy Davies "....don't pull your punches Andy![/p][/quote]Yes and I think it's almost fact rather than opinion! He really is up there with the worst of 'em for his gargantuanlly blinkered post-match comments, unpleasant demeanour, aggressive touchline manner and of course now willingness to spend Forest into oblivion with other people's money a la Redknapp, only unlike Dirty 'Arry he does so in the FULL knowledge of the consequences. As for AN's assessment, I agree with him. Overtake Reading and Forest by. May and it's hello play-offs. I think QPR may drop out too. Fans are REALLY not happy. They have the strongest squad but haven't even played Arry's usual attacking gung-ho style. Captain Haddock
  • Score: -1

10:33am Fri 7 Mar 14

Captain Haddock says...

dave from bexill wrote:
Neville wrote:
Wigan seem to have the momentum and have finances from parachute and cup revenue to strengthen if required.Outplayed by Brighton at the Amex but still won,Rosler seems to have them well prepared for all matches and passion was evident at the Amex.
I think Leicester,Burnley (havent hit a bad spell at all yet),Derby and Wigan will be four of the teams with the other 2 places between QPR,NFrst,Reading and Albion,with Ipswich,Leeds and Blackburn pushing behind.
We now need consistency and goals and at home I want to see us score first and not concede within 25 mins and then have to chase the game.
OG in my opinion has to be more adventurous,I don't mind seeing the possession in our own half when we are winning but not when drawing or losing,possession in our own half hurts nobody.
The crowd can play a big big part but they need to be encouraged with attacking play right from the start and not just the last 20 mins or so.
Ha, that's eleven out of the current top twelve Neville. Is that what's called hedging your bets?
No I think he's described the balance exactly as it will likely pan out.
[quote][p][bold]dave from bexill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Neville[/bold] wrote: Wigan seem to have the momentum and have finances from parachute and cup revenue to strengthen if required.Outplayed by Brighton at the Amex but still won,Rosler seems to have them well prepared for all matches and passion was evident at the Amex. I think Leicester,Burnley (havent hit a bad spell at all yet),Derby and Wigan will be four of the teams with the other 2 places between QPR,NFrst,Reading and Albion,with Ipswich,Leeds and Blackburn pushing behind. We now need consistency and goals and at home I want to see us score first and not concede within 25 mins and then have to chase the game. OG in my opinion has to be more adventurous,I don't mind seeing the possession in our own half when we are winning but not when drawing or losing,possession in our own half hurts nobody. The crowd can play a big big part but they need to be encouraged with attacking play right from the start and not just the last 20 mins or so.[/p][/quote]Ha, that's eleven out of the current top twelve Neville. Is that what's called hedging your bets?[/p][/quote]No I think he's described the balance exactly as it will likely pan out. Captain Haddock
  • Score: -1

11:03am Fri 7 Mar 14

Captain Haddock says...

Fletch1972 wrote:
What a delightful piece of journalism. Insightful, totally unbiased (not) and utter rubbish!! QPR and Nottingham Forest are ravaged by injuries. However come the end of the season these two teams will be almost back to full strength. Forest will be able to call on Andy Reid, Henri Lansbury, David Vaughan & Kelvin Wilson. So please don't delude your adoring public into thinking that there may be a 'winner takes all' game on the last day of the season. Forest, QPR, Wigan and Reading will be well out of the mighty Albions reach by then. Those teams I have mentioned have all had or are having wobbles yet they are still ahead of you lot so rather than laughing and mocking others misfortunes you need to win your games and hope others lose. We however have to ride out this period get our players back and push on. Incidentally, hoping that Forest get severely punished for a breach of FFP when last season our owner tragically died and the new one had to take over and pay for the club to his estate leaving no option but to breach FFP rules, gambling on spending money to get out of the league so sanctions won't be imposed is ridiculous. Because of course, if your owners were in the same position they wouldn't do the same?? Too much sea air down there I think!!
Firstly we have had a tumultuous summer meaning no proper pre-season and we've been ravaged by injuries that makes your's at Forest look like a summer holiday. Do NOT presume we are inferior based on the season so far. I don't pretend to know our natural place in this season's campaign if we'd been able to field close to our best 11 more than the times we have (zero, by the way), but we have been stifled all season. Wigan, with a better squad on oaper have only just overtaken us - we dominated then at The Amex at the height of their recent form btw. The result was a travesty, believe me.

Secondly, how dare you play the guilt card with us over your deceased owner. Genuinely tragic though that was you have some audacity to use it to excuse your over-spending. On infrastructure or debt repayments? Fine. For players (you've paid out more in transfers than ANY other club - QPR included)? Of course not. Why did you NEED to buy all those players in Aug AND Jan? Answer: you didn't. Don't confuse need with want.

As the division's CORE finances work (unavoidable running costs vs revenue) all clubs with sizeable stadiums could be said to NEED PL footy. Us included.

Parachute payments and no-longer-permissibl
e bankrolling by benefactors aside, BHA has the largest resources: highest average crowds for over a year - since expansion last winter - while being amongst the most expensive, highest STH numbers (up front payment) by some distance (just over 23,000), extensive corporate tie-ins and new sponsorship channels and regularly decent-to-good cup runs to boot. We also have record sales on pies and ale (beats Old Trafford and Wembley match-to-match) and our programmes are the most expensive in the division too.

Yet despite all this AND a series of cost cutting measures to reduce revenue, our excellent CEO is only "confident" we'll meet the first year's requirement for FFP - which we all signed up to btw!. Your club and QPR have flouted those rules under ANY interpretation. Our owner is abundantly wealthy but has resisted the urge to make the biggest and most foolish gamble possible to achieve the prize of PL footy. If Leicester, who have started to become prudent, had £36m losses from last year having spent similar then to what you are this season, you will be £25-35m over allowed losses next year. Not good at all!
[quote][p][bold]Fletch1972[/bold] wrote: What a delightful piece of journalism. Insightful, totally unbiased (not) and utter rubbish!! QPR and Nottingham Forest are ravaged by injuries. However come the end of the season these two teams will be almost back to full strength. Forest will be able to call on Andy Reid, Henri Lansbury, David Vaughan & Kelvin Wilson. So please don't delude your adoring public into thinking that there may be a 'winner takes all' game on the last day of the season. Forest, QPR, Wigan and Reading will be well out of the mighty Albions reach by then. Those teams I have mentioned have all had or are having wobbles yet they are still ahead of you lot so rather than laughing and mocking others misfortunes you need to win your games and hope others lose. We however have to ride out this period get our players back and push on. Incidentally, hoping that Forest get severely punished for a breach of FFP when last season our owner tragically died and the new one had to take over and pay for the club to his estate leaving no option but to breach FFP rules, gambling on spending money to get out of the league so sanctions won't be imposed is ridiculous. Because of course, if your owners were in the same position they wouldn't do the same?? Too much sea air down there I think!![/p][/quote]Firstly we have had a tumultuous summer meaning no proper pre-season and we've been ravaged by injuries that makes your's at Forest look like a summer holiday. Do NOT presume we are inferior based on the season so far. I don't pretend to know our natural place in this season's campaign if we'd been able to field close to our best 11 more than the times we have (zero, by the way), but we have been stifled all season. Wigan, with a better squad on oaper have only just overtaken us - we dominated then at The Amex at the height of their recent form btw. The result was a travesty, believe me. Secondly, how dare you play the guilt card with us over your deceased owner. Genuinely tragic though that was you have some audacity to use it to excuse your over-spending. On infrastructure or debt repayments? Fine. For players (you've paid out more in transfers than ANY other club - QPR included)? Of course not. Why did you NEED to buy all those players in Aug AND Jan? Answer: you didn't. Don't confuse need with want. As the division's CORE finances work (unavoidable running costs vs revenue) all clubs with sizeable stadiums could be said to NEED PL footy. Us included. Parachute payments and no-longer-permissibl e bankrolling by benefactors aside, BHA has the largest resources: highest average crowds for over a year - since expansion last winter - while being amongst the most expensive, highest STH numbers (up front payment) by some distance (just over 23,000), extensive corporate tie-ins and new sponsorship channels and regularly decent-to-good cup runs to boot. We also have record sales on pies and ale (beats Old Trafford and Wembley match-to-match) and our programmes are the most expensive in the division too. Yet despite all this AND a series of cost cutting measures to reduce revenue, our excellent CEO is only "confident" we'll meet the first year's requirement for FFP - which we all signed up to btw!. Your club and QPR have flouted those rules under ANY interpretation. Our owner is abundantly wealthy but has resisted the urge to make the biggest and most foolish gamble possible to achieve the prize of PL footy. If Leicester, who have started to become prudent, had £36m losses from last year having spent similar then to what you are this season, you will be £25-35m over allowed losses next year. Not good at all! Captain Haddock
  • Score: 1

11:15am Fri 7 Mar 14

Captain Haddock says...

Captain Haddock wrote:
Fletch1972 wrote:
What a delightful piece of journalism. Insightful, totally unbiased (not) and utter rubbish!! QPR and Nottingham Forest are ravaged by injuries. However come the end of the season these two teams will be almost back to full strength. Forest will be able to call on Andy Reid, Henri Lansbury, David Vaughan & Kelvin Wilson. So please don't delude your adoring public into thinking that there may be a 'winner takes all' game on the last day of the season. Forest, QPR, Wigan and Reading will be well out of the mighty Albions reach by then. Those teams I have mentioned have all had or are having wobbles yet they are still ahead of you lot so rather than laughing and mocking others misfortunes you need to win your games and hope others lose. We however have to ride out this period get our players back and push on. Incidentally, hoping that Forest get severely punished for a breach of FFP when last season our owner tragically died and the new one had to take over and pay for the club to his estate leaving no option but to breach FFP rules, gambling on spending money to get out of the league so sanctions won't be imposed is ridiculous. Because of course, if your owners were in the same position they wouldn't do the same?? Too much sea air down there I think!!
Firstly we have had a tumultuous summer meaning no proper pre-season and we've been ravaged by injuries that makes your's at Forest look like a summer holiday. Do NOT presume we are inferior based on the season so far. I don't pretend to know our natural place in this season's campaign if we'd been able to field close to our best 11 more than the times we have (zero, by the way), but we have been stifled all season. Wigan, with a better squad on oaper have only just overtaken us - we dominated then at The Amex at the height of their recent form btw. The result was a travesty, believe me.

Secondly, how dare you play the guilt card with us over your deceased owner. Genuinely tragic though that was you have some audacity to use it to excuse your over-spending. On infrastructure or debt repayments? Fine. For players (you've paid out more in transfers than ANY other club - QPR included)? Of course not. Why did you NEED to buy all those players in Aug AND Jan? Answer: you didn't. Don't confuse need with want.

As the division's CORE finances work (unavoidable running costs vs revenue) all clubs with sizeable stadiums could be said to NEED PL footy. Us included.

Parachute payments and no-longer-permissibl

e bankrolling by benefactors aside, BHA has the largest resources: highest average crowds for over a year - since expansion last winter - while being amongst the most expensive, highest STH numbers (up front payment) by some distance (just over 23,000), extensive corporate tie-ins and new sponsorship channels and regularly decent-to-good cup runs to boot. We also have record sales on pies and ale (beats Old Trafford and Wembley match-to-match) and our programmes are the most expensive in the division too.

Yet despite all this AND a series of cost cutting measures to reduce revenue, our excellent CEO is only "confident" we'll meet the first year's requirement for FFP - which we all signed up to btw!. Your club and QPR have flouted those rules under ANY interpretation. Our owner is abundantly wealthy but has resisted the urge to make the biggest and most foolish gamble possible to achieve the prize of PL footy. If Leicester, who have started to become prudent, had £36m losses from last year having spent similar then to what you are this season, you will be £25-35m over allowed losses next year. Not good at all!
My last paragraph should have included the point that if we are only JUST meeting FFP with all the advantages I've listed re: income and prudence on costs, just HOW badly off will you guys be? I'd be worrying about that more than what we are saying about your play-off campaign and disagreeable manager.
[quote][p][bold]Captain Haddock[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fletch1972[/bold] wrote: What a delightful piece of journalism. Insightful, totally unbiased (not) and utter rubbish!! QPR and Nottingham Forest are ravaged by injuries. However come the end of the season these two teams will be almost back to full strength. Forest will be able to call on Andy Reid, Henri Lansbury, David Vaughan & Kelvin Wilson. So please don't delude your adoring public into thinking that there may be a 'winner takes all' game on the last day of the season. Forest, QPR, Wigan and Reading will be well out of the mighty Albions reach by then. Those teams I have mentioned have all had or are having wobbles yet they are still ahead of you lot so rather than laughing and mocking others misfortunes you need to win your games and hope others lose. We however have to ride out this period get our players back and push on. Incidentally, hoping that Forest get severely punished for a breach of FFP when last season our owner tragically died and the new one had to take over and pay for the club to his estate leaving no option but to breach FFP rules, gambling on spending money to get out of the league so sanctions won't be imposed is ridiculous. Because of course, if your owners were in the same position they wouldn't do the same?? Too much sea air down there I think!![/p][/quote]Firstly we have had a tumultuous summer meaning no proper pre-season and we've been ravaged by injuries that makes your's at Forest look like a summer holiday. Do NOT presume we are inferior based on the season so far. I don't pretend to know our natural place in this season's campaign if we'd been able to field close to our best 11 more than the times we have (zero, by the way), but we have been stifled all season. Wigan, with a better squad on oaper have only just overtaken us - we dominated then at The Amex at the height of their recent form btw. The result was a travesty, believe me. Secondly, how dare you play the guilt card with us over your deceased owner. Genuinely tragic though that was you have some audacity to use it to excuse your over-spending. On infrastructure or debt repayments? Fine. For players (you've paid out more in transfers than ANY other club - QPR included)? Of course not. Why did you NEED to buy all those players in Aug AND Jan? Answer: you didn't. Don't confuse need with want. As the division's CORE finances work (unavoidable running costs vs revenue) all clubs with sizeable stadiums could be said to NEED PL footy. Us included. Parachute payments and no-longer-permissibl e bankrolling by benefactors aside, BHA has the largest resources: highest average crowds for over a year - since expansion last winter - while being amongst the most expensive, highest STH numbers (up front payment) by some distance (just over 23,000), extensive corporate tie-ins and new sponsorship channels and regularly decent-to-good cup runs to boot. We also have record sales on pies and ale (beats Old Trafford and Wembley match-to-match) and our programmes are the most expensive in the division too. Yet despite all this AND a series of cost cutting measures to reduce revenue, our excellent CEO is only "confident" we'll meet the first year's requirement for FFP - which we all signed up to btw!. Your club and QPR have flouted those rules under ANY interpretation. Our owner is abundantly wealthy but has resisted the urge to make the biggest and most foolish gamble possible to achieve the prize of PL footy. If Leicester, who have started to become prudent, had £36m losses from last year having spent similar then to what you are this season, you will be £25-35m over allowed losses next year. Not good at all![/p][/quote]My last paragraph should have included the point that if we are only JUST meeting FFP with all the advantages I've listed re: income and prudence on costs, just HOW badly off will you guys be? I'd be worrying about that more than what we are saying about your play-off campaign and disagreeable manager. Captain Haddock
  • Score: 2

3:05pm Fri 7 Mar 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

Captain Haddock, I doff my cap :-)
Captain Haddock, I doff my cap :-) Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 2

4:28pm Fri 7 Mar 14

Gee Jay says...

Fletch1972 wrote:
What a delightful piece of journalism. Insightful, totally unbiased (not) and utter rubbish!! QPR and Nottingham Forest are ravaged by injuries. However come the end of the season these two teams will be almost back to full strength. Forest will be able to call on Andy Reid, Henri Lansbury, David Vaughan & Kelvin Wilson. So please don't delude your adoring public into thinking that there may be a 'winner takes all' game on the last day of the season. Forest, QPR, Wigan and Reading will be well out of the mighty Albions reach by then. Those teams I have mentioned have all had or are having wobbles yet they are still ahead of you lot so rather than laughing and mocking others misfortunes you need to win your games and hope others lose. We however have to ride out this period get our players back and push on. Incidentally, hoping that Forest get severely punished for a breach of FFP when last season our owner tragically died and the new one had to take over and pay for the club to his estate leaving no option but to breach FFP rules, gambling on spending money to get out of the league so sanctions won't be imposed is ridiculous. Because of course, if your owners were in the same position they wouldn't do the same?? Too much sea air down there I think!!
Regardless of your post, Forest have spent a fortune on players and have a high wage bill. They have already breached FFP rules, so unless Billy gets them to the promised land, I'm afraid you are in deep doo doo.
Forest have the same amount of injuries to first team players as we have had for the first third of the season, and I understand that Andy Reid is likely to be out for the rest of the season.
I still look forward to visiting the City Ground on 3rd May! Good ground, good fans.
[quote][p][bold]Fletch1972[/bold] wrote: What a delightful piece of journalism. Insightful, totally unbiased (not) and utter rubbish!! QPR and Nottingham Forest are ravaged by injuries. However come the end of the season these two teams will be almost back to full strength. Forest will be able to call on Andy Reid, Henri Lansbury, David Vaughan & Kelvin Wilson. So please don't delude your adoring public into thinking that there may be a 'winner takes all' game on the last day of the season. Forest, QPR, Wigan and Reading will be well out of the mighty Albions reach by then. Those teams I have mentioned have all had or are having wobbles yet they are still ahead of you lot so rather than laughing and mocking others misfortunes you need to win your games and hope others lose. We however have to ride out this period get our players back and push on. Incidentally, hoping that Forest get severely punished for a breach of FFP when last season our owner tragically died and the new one had to take over and pay for the club to his estate leaving no option but to breach FFP rules, gambling on spending money to get out of the league so sanctions won't be imposed is ridiculous. Because of course, if your owners were in the same position they wouldn't do the same?? Too much sea air down there I think!![/p][/quote]Regardless of your post, Forest have spent a fortune on players and have a high wage bill. They have already breached FFP rules, so unless Billy gets them to the promised land, I'm afraid you are in deep doo doo. Forest have the same amount of injuries to first team players as we have had for the first third of the season, and I understand that Andy Reid is likely to be out for the rest of the season. I still look forward to visiting the City Ground on 3rd May! Good ground, good fans. Gee Jay
  • Score: 2

12:42am Sat 8 Mar 14

Captain Haddock says...

Gee Jay wrote:
Fletch1972 wrote:
What a delightful piece of journalism. Insightful, totally unbiased (not) and utter rubbish!! QPR and Nottingham Forest are ravaged by injuries. However come the end of the season these two teams will be almost back to full strength. Forest will be able to call on Andy Reid, Henri Lansbury, David Vaughan & Kelvin Wilson. So please don't delude your adoring public into thinking that there may be a 'winner takes all' game on the last day of the season. Forest, QPR, Wigan and Reading will be well out of the mighty Albions reach by then. Those teams I have mentioned have all had or are having wobbles yet they are still ahead of you lot so rather than laughing and mocking others misfortunes you need to win your games and hope others lose. We however have to ride out this period get our players back and push on. Incidentally, hoping that Forest get severely punished for a breach of FFP when last season our owner tragically died and the new one had to take over and pay for the club to his estate leaving no option but to breach FFP rules, gambling on spending money to get out of the league so sanctions won't be imposed is ridiculous. Because of course, if your owners were in the same position they wouldn't do the same?? Too much sea air down there I think!!
Regardless of your post, Forest have spent a fortune on players and have a high wage bill. They have already breached FFP rules, so unless Billy gets them to the promised land, I'm afraid you are in deep doo doo.
Forest have the same amount of injuries to first team players as we have had for the first third of the season, and I understand that Andy Reid is likely to be out for the rest of the season.
I still look forward to visiting the City Ground on 3rd May! Good ground, good fans.
Agreed. I'll be there too.
[quote][p][bold]Gee Jay[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fletch1972[/bold] wrote: What a delightful piece of journalism. Insightful, totally unbiased (not) and utter rubbish!! QPR and Nottingham Forest are ravaged by injuries. However come the end of the season these two teams will be almost back to full strength. Forest will be able to call on Andy Reid, Henri Lansbury, David Vaughan & Kelvin Wilson. So please don't delude your adoring public into thinking that there may be a 'winner takes all' game on the last day of the season. Forest, QPR, Wigan and Reading will be well out of the mighty Albions reach by then. Those teams I have mentioned have all had or are having wobbles yet they are still ahead of you lot so rather than laughing and mocking others misfortunes you need to win your games and hope others lose. We however have to ride out this period get our players back and push on. Incidentally, hoping that Forest get severely punished for a breach of FFP when last season our owner tragically died and the new one had to take over and pay for the club to his estate leaving no option but to breach FFP rules, gambling on spending money to get out of the league so sanctions won't be imposed is ridiculous. Because of course, if your owners were in the same position they wouldn't do the same?? Too much sea air down there I think!![/p][/quote]Regardless of your post, Forest have spent a fortune on players and have a high wage bill. They have already breached FFP rules, so unless Billy gets them to the promised land, I'm afraid you are in deep doo doo. Forest have the same amount of injuries to first team players as we have had for the first third of the season, and I understand that Andy Reid is likely to be out for the rest of the season. I still look forward to visiting the City Ground on 3rd May! Good ground, good fans.[/p][/quote]Agreed. I'll be there too. Captain Haddock
  • Score: 1

12:44am Sat 8 Mar 14

Captain Haddock says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
Captain Haddock, I doff my cap :-)
Why thank you kindly, Shipmate! I'll tilt me Cap'n's cap in yer general direction likewise.
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: Captain Haddock, I doff my cap :-)[/p][/quote]Why thank you kindly, Shipmate! I'll tilt me Cap'n's cap in yer general direction likewise. Captain Haddock
  • Score: 1

6:52pm Sat 8 Mar 14

KeefyH69 says...

Captain Haddock wrote:
Captain Haddock wrote:
Fletch1972 wrote:
What a delightful piece of journalism. Insightful, totally unbiased (not) and utter rubbish!! QPR and Nottingham Forest are ravaged by injuries. However come the end of the season these two teams will be almost back to full strength. Forest will be able to call on Andy Reid, Henri Lansbury, David Vaughan & Kelvin Wilson. So please don't delude your adoring public into thinking that there may be a 'winner takes all' game on the last day of the season. Forest, QPR, Wigan and Reading will be well out of the mighty Albions reach by then. Those teams I have mentioned have all had or are having wobbles yet they are still ahead of you lot so rather than laughing and mocking others misfortunes you need to win your games and hope others lose. We however have to ride out this period get our players back and push on. Incidentally, hoping that Forest get severely punished for a breach of FFP when last season our owner tragically died and the new one had to take over and pay for the club to his estate leaving no option but to breach FFP rules, gambling on spending money to get out of the league so sanctions won't be imposed is ridiculous. Because of course, if your owners were in the same position they wouldn't do the same?? Too much sea air down there I think!!
Firstly we have had a tumultuous summer meaning no proper pre-season and we've been ravaged by injuries that makes your's at Forest look like a summer holiday. Do NOT presume we are inferior based on the season so far. I don't pretend to know our natural place in this season's campaign if we'd been able to field close to our best 11 more than the times we have (zero, by the way), but we have been stifled all season. Wigan, with a better squad on oaper have only just overtaken us - we dominated then at The Amex at the height of their recent form btw. The result was a travesty, believe me.

Secondly, how dare you play the guilt card with us over your deceased owner. Genuinely tragic though that was you have some audacity to use it to excuse your over-spending. On infrastructure or debt repayments? Fine. For players (you've paid out more in transfers than ANY other club - QPR included)? Of course not. Why did you NEED to buy all those players in Aug AND Jan? Answer: you didn't. Don't confuse need with want.

As the division's CORE finances work (unavoidable running costs vs revenue) all clubs with sizeable stadiums could be said to NEED PL footy. Us included.

Parachute payments and no-longer-permissibl


e bankrolling by benefactors aside, BHA has the largest resources: highest average crowds for over a year - since expansion last winter - while being amongst the most expensive, highest STH numbers (up front payment) by some distance (just over 23,000), extensive corporate tie-ins and new sponsorship channels and regularly decent-to-good cup runs to boot. We also have record sales on pies and ale (beats Old Trafford and Wembley match-to-match) and our programmes are the most expensive in the division too.

Yet despite all this AND a series of cost cutting measures to reduce revenue, our excellent CEO is only "confident" we'll meet the first year's requirement for FFP - which we all signed up to btw!. Your club and QPR have flouted those rules under ANY interpretation. Our owner is abundantly wealthy but has resisted the urge to make the biggest and most foolish gamble possible to achieve the prize of PL footy. If Leicester, who have started to become prudent, had £36m losses from last year having spent similar then to what you are this season, you will be £25-35m over allowed losses next year. Not good at all!
My last paragraph should have included the point that if we are only JUST meeting FFP with all the advantages I've listed re: income and prudence on costs, just HOW badly off will you guys be? I'd be worrying about that more than what we are saying about your play-off campaign and disagreeable manager.
As I said, Poison Dwarf.
[quote][p][bold]Captain Haddock[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Captain Haddock[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fletch1972[/bold] wrote: What a delightful piece of journalism. Insightful, totally unbiased (not) and utter rubbish!! QPR and Nottingham Forest are ravaged by injuries. However come the end of the season these two teams will be almost back to full strength. Forest will be able to call on Andy Reid, Henri Lansbury, David Vaughan & Kelvin Wilson. So please don't delude your adoring public into thinking that there may be a 'winner takes all' game on the last day of the season. Forest, QPR, Wigan and Reading will be well out of the mighty Albions reach by then. Those teams I have mentioned have all had or are having wobbles yet they are still ahead of you lot so rather than laughing and mocking others misfortunes you need to win your games and hope others lose. We however have to ride out this period get our players back and push on. Incidentally, hoping that Forest get severely punished for a breach of FFP when last season our owner tragically died and the new one had to take over and pay for the club to his estate leaving no option but to breach FFP rules, gambling on spending money to get out of the league so sanctions won't be imposed is ridiculous. Because of course, if your owners were in the same position they wouldn't do the same?? Too much sea air down there I think!![/p][/quote]Firstly we have had a tumultuous summer meaning no proper pre-season and we've been ravaged by injuries that makes your's at Forest look like a summer holiday. Do NOT presume we are inferior based on the season so far. I don't pretend to know our natural place in this season's campaign if we'd been able to field close to our best 11 more than the times we have (zero, by the way), but we have been stifled all season. Wigan, with a better squad on oaper have only just overtaken us - we dominated then at The Amex at the height of their recent form btw. The result was a travesty, believe me. Secondly, how dare you play the guilt card with us over your deceased owner. Genuinely tragic though that was you have some audacity to use it to excuse your over-spending. On infrastructure or debt repayments? Fine. For players (you've paid out more in transfers than ANY other club - QPR included)? Of course not. Why did you NEED to buy all those players in Aug AND Jan? Answer: you didn't. Don't confuse need with want. As the division's CORE finances work (unavoidable running costs vs revenue) all clubs with sizeable stadiums could be said to NEED PL footy. Us included. Parachute payments and no-longer-permissibl e bankrolling by benefactors aside, BHA has the largest resources: highest average crowds for over a year - since expansion last winter - while being amongst the most expensive, highest STH numbers (up front payment) by some distance (just over 23,000), extensive corporate tie-ins and new sponsorship channels and regularly decent-to-good cup runs to boot. We also have record sales on pies and ale (beats Old Trafford and Wembley match-to-match) and our programmes are the most expensive in the division too. Yet despite all this AND a series of cost cutting measures to reduce revenue, our excellent CEO is only "confident" we'll meet the first year's requirement for FFP - which we all signed up to btw!. Your club and QPR have flouted those rules under ANY interpretation. Our owner is abundantly wealthy but has resisted the urge to make the biggest and most foolish gamble possible to achieve the prize of PL footy. If Leicester, who have started to become prudent, had £36m losses from last year having spent similar then to what you are this season, you will be £25-35m over allowed losses next year. Not good at all![/p][/quote]My last paragraph should have included the point that if we are only JUST meeting FFP with all the advantages I've listed re: income and prudence on costs, just HOW badly off will you guys be? I'd be worrying about that more than what we are saying about your play-off campaign and disagreeable manager.[/p][/quote]As I said, Poison Dwarf. KeefyH69
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