Buckley ready to play full role for Albion

Will Buckley.

Will Buckley.

First published in Sport by , Chief sports reporter

Will Buckley says he is ready to start for Albion against QPR tomorrow night.

But Oscar Garcia will still be without Andrea Orlandi and fellow central midfielder Dale Stephens also remains a doubt.

Buckley, brought on in the second half of Saturday's 1-1 home draw against Reading, has not started a match this year due to hamstring trouble.

The right-winger said: "I've been training hard and working with the new physio (Adam Brett). I'm ready to start playing 90 minutes and hopefully I can push my way back into the starting line-up."

Orlandi (thigh) and Stephens (foot) missed the Reading match.

Head coach Oscar said this morning: "Andrea will not be available for selection and Dale will be doubtful. We have to wait until after training to know if he will be available. He is back in training today."

Oscar confirmed Lewis Dunk will make his first Championship start in the centre of defence since December 2012 in place of suspended skipper Gordon Greer.

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11:30am Mon 10 Mar 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

Fingers crossed for him, our team is seriously weakened by his regular absences.
Fingers crossed for him, our team is seriously weakened by his regular absences. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 10

11:41am Mon 10 Mar 14

dave from bexill says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
Fingers crossed for him, our team is seriously weakened by his regular absences.
Agree Arnie and likewise Orlandi
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: Fingers crossed for him, our team is seriously weakened by his regular absences.[/p][/quote]Agree Arnie and likewise Orlandi dave from bexill
  • Score: 12

12:02pm Mon 10 Mar 14

elljam says...

Burnley = Budget (Low)
Technical ability (fair/average)
Fitness levels (very good)
Desire to get forward (very high)
Work rate (very high)
Apparent motivation from touchline (Very good)
Goals scored - 54
Goals conceded - 27
Points - 69

Brighton = Budget (fair)
Technical ability (good/very good)
Fitness levels (questionable)
Desire to get forward (minimal)
Apparent motivation from touchline (non-existent)
Work rate (poor- possibly due to the above 3 categories)
Goals scored - 35
Goals conceded - 28
Points - 50

Make what you want of the above observations, but the stats don't lie.

I've been a fan of our passing/possession football over the last few seasons but it now seems to have gone to a whole new level.
Ultimately it appears to be about keeping the ball for as long as possible regardless of creating opportunities & possession stats being more important than goals. On Saturday we had free-kicks in the opponents half & 2 touches later the ball was at the feet of Kuszczak'.
The reluctance to play the likes of Buckley & LuaLua for longer periods has been put down to injuries but I'm beginning to suspect it's simply because they are not trusted & seen as too high risk for our safety-first football because when taking on opponents they may (heaven forbid) lose the ball.
The preference is for players who are technically sound, do not charge up the pitch at the risk of being out of position if the ball is lost & play a sideways/backwards pass to keep hold of that oh so precious football.
Believe it or not we are playing in the Championship & not the Champions League, so if you lose the ball you may not have to wait a long time to get it back again.
I'm not saying follow the Burnley blueprint but surely trying to add some of their old-fashioned qualities into our game would not be such a bad thing.
Surely it's not beneath some of our "thoroughbreds" to bust a gut to get in the box or the play a riskier pass that may lose possession or (you never know) make a goal scoring chance.
Give our potentially match-winning players more game time & with the confidence that at the first sign of things not going well they will not be subbed or dropped.
Or alternatively we can continue in the direction we are going & bring George Graham out of retirement.

Amen
Burnley = Budget (Low) Technical ability (fair/average) Fitness levels (very good) Desire to get forward (very high) Work rate (very high) Apparent motivation from touchline (Very good) Goals scored - 54 Goals conceded - 27 Points - 69 Brighton = Budget (fair) Technical ability (good/very good) Fitness levels (questionable) Desire to get forward (minimal) Apparent motivation from touchline (non-existent) Work rate (poor- possibly due to the above 3 categories) Goals scored - 35 Goals conceded - 28 Points - 50 Make what you want of the above observations, but the stats don't lie. I've been a fan of our passing/possession football over the last few seasons but it now seems to have gone to a whole new level. Ultimately it appears to be about keeping the ball for as long as possible regardless of creating opportunities & possession stats being more important than goals. On Saturday we had free-kicks in the opponents half & 2 touches later the ball was at the feet of Kuszczak'. The reluctance to play the likes of Buckley & LuaLua for longer periods has been put down to injuries but I'm beginning to suspect it's simply because they are not trusted & seen as too high risk for our safety-first football because when taking on opponents they may (heaven forbid) lose the ball. The preference is for players who are technically sound, do not charge up the pitch at the risk of being out of position if the ball is lost & play a sideways/backwards pass to keep hold of that oh so precious football. Believe it or not we are playing in the Championship & not the Champions League, so if you lose the ball you may not have to wait a long time to get it back again. I'm not saying follow the Burnley blueprint but surely trying to add some of their old-fashioned qualities into our game would not be such a bad thing. Surely it's not beneath some of our "thoroughbreds" to bust a gut to get in the box or the play a riskier pass that may lose possession or (you never know) make a goal scoring chance. Give our potentially match-winning players more game time & with the confidence that at the first sign of things not going well they will not be subbed or dropped. Or alternatively we can continue in the direction we are going & bring George Graham out of retirement. Amen elljam
  • Score: 33

12:04pm Mon 10 Mar 14

Neville says...

elljam,
yes fair post and the other big difference is Burnley play 2 strikers up front within close proximity of each other,need I say more
elljam, yes fair post and the other big difference is Burnley play 2 strikers up front within close proximity of each other,need I say more Neville
  • Score: 15

12:05pm Mon 10 Mar 14

russellsnr2 says...

I hope that Lewis Dunk will take this opportunity to show Oscar that he has what it takes as our back field do seem to be getting on a bit in age!!!
I only saw the highlights on the Seagulls Player but Bruno did seem to be a little slow, maybe someone who goes to the games can give a better idea of what we may need at the back next season?
Although you have say that what we have has done a grand job so far this season.
I hope that Lewis Dunk will take this opportunity to show Oscar that he has what it takes as our back field do seem to be getting on a bit in age!!! I only saw the highlights on the Seagulls Player but Bruno did seem to be a little slow, maybe someone who goes to the games can give a better idea of what we may need at the back next season? Although you have say that what we have has done a grand job so far this season. russellsnr2
  • Score: 2

12:05pm Mon 10 Mar 14

VegasSeagull says...

dave from bexill wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
Fingers crossed for him, our team is seriously weakened by his regular absences.
Agree Arnie and likewise Orlandi
We had a lot of debating on this forum during our FA Cup run based on what our, 'best starting eleven,' is, with Buckley coming back we are, IMHO, one step closer to actually sending out our best eleven. Like wise I have to think that Orlandi is another that should be among the first few names on the team sheet, and when these two players are missing, I think that there is a knock on effect as to how others perform.
With Crofts, Orlandi and Stephens all out, Oscar has to put Lingard in midfield for if he doesn't, we pose very little threat other than Ulloa. Buckley, Ulloa and Lingard will keep the QPR defense occupied and we will still be able to have both Ince and Andrews adding to our defensive shield, then it's either JFC or Spanish Dave for the final place on the team sheet, I would go with David.
[quote][p][bold]dave from bexill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: Fingers crossed for him, our team is seriously weakened by his regular absences.[/p][/quote]Agree Arnie and likewise Orlandi[/p][/quote]We had a lot of debating on this forum during our FA Cup run based on what our, 'best starting eleven,' is, with Buckley coming back we are, IMHO, one step closer to actually sending out our best eleven. Like wise I have to think that Orlandi is another that should be among the first few names on the team sheet, and when these two players are missing, I think that there is a knock on effect as to how others perform. With Crofts, Orlandi and Stephens all out, Oscar has to put Lingard in midfield for if he doesn't, we pose very little threat other than Ulloa. Buckley, Ulloa and Lingard will keep the QPR defense occupied and we will still be able to have both Ince and Andrews adding to our defensive shield, then it's either JFC or Spanish Dave for the final place on the team sheet, I would go with David. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 7

1:08pm Mon 10 Mar 14

Vince says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
dave from bexill wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote: Fingers crossed for him, our team is seriously weakened by his regular absences.
Agree Arnie and likewise Orlandi
We had a lot of debating on this forum during our FA Cup run based on what our, 'best starting eleven,' is, with Buckley coming back we are, IMHO, one step closer to actually sending out our best eleven. Like wise I have to think that Orlandi is another that should be among the first few names on the team sheet, and when these two players are missing, I think that there is a knock on effect as to how others perform. With Crofts, Orlandi and Stephens all out, Oscar has to put Lingard in midfield for if he doesn't, we pose very little threat other than Ulloa. Buckley, Ulloa and Lingard will keep the QPR defense occupied and we will still be able to have both Ince and Andrews adding to our defensive shield, then it's either JFC or Spanish Dave for the final place on the team sheet, I would go with David.
I would like to see Solly play instead of David.

Elljam made the point that we concentrate too much on possession - but our passing v Millwall and Reading was atrocious - Andrews, Lopez, Ward, Greer and Lindegard regularly mis-directed their passes.
Look at the possession statistics for these 2 games - very un-Albion like!
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dave from bexill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: Fingers crossed for him, our team is seriously weakened by his regular absences.[/p][/quote]Agree Arnie and likewise Orlandi[/p][/quote]We had a lot of debating on this forum during our FA Cup run based on what our, 'best starting eleven,' is, with Buckley coming back we are, IMHO, one step closer to actually sending out our best eleven. Like wise I have to think that Orlandi is another that should be among the first few names on the team sheet, and when these two players are missing, I think that there is a knock on effect as to how others perform. With Crofts, Orlandi and Stephens all out, Oscar has to put Lingard in midfield for if he doesn't, we pose very little threat other than Ulloa. Buckley, Ulloa and Lingard will keep the QPR defense occupied and we will still be able to have both Ince and Andrews adding to our defensive shield, then it's either JFC or Spanish Dave for the final place on the team sheet, I would go with David.[/p][/quote]I would like to see Solly play instead of David. Elljam made the point that we concentrate too much on possession - but our passing v Millwall and Reading was atrocious - Andrews, Lopez, Ward, Greer and Lindegard regularly mis-directed their passes. Look at the possession statistics for these 2 games - very un-Albion like! Vince
  • Score: 3

1:21pm Mon 10 Mar 14

VegasSeagull says...

Vince wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
dave from bexill wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote: Fingers crossed for him, our team is seriously weakened by his regular absences.
Agree Arnie and likewise Orlandi
We had a lot of debating on this forum during our FA Cup run based on what our, 'best starting eleven,' is, with Buckley coming back we are, IMHO, one step closer to actually sending out our best eleven. Like wise I have to think that Orlandi is another that should be among the first few names on the team sheet, and when these two players are missing, I think that there is a knock on effect as to how others perform. With Crofts, Orlandi and Stephens all out, Oscar has to put Lingard in midfield for if he doesn't, we pose very little threat other than Ulloa. Buckley, Ulloa and Lingard will keep the QPR defense occupied and we will still be able to have both Ince and Andrews adding to our defensive shield, then it's either JFC or Spanish Dave for the final place on the team sheet, I would go with David.
I would like to see Solly play instead of David.

Elljam made the point that we concentrate too much on possession - but our passing v Millwall and Reading was atrocious - Andrews, Lopez, Ward, Greer and Lindegard regularly mis-directed their passes.
Look at the possession statistics for these 2 games - very un-Albion like!
I opt for David over Solly simply because I hope that Buckley plays 90 minutes, and Solly is the cover player for Buckley. David might be blowing a tad hot and cold but he is the best penalty taker we have and probably the best when delivering from free kicks in the danger zone, but I would agree that isn't saying a lot. If we play with just one wide player, which I think we will, then David in midfield rather than Solly seems right to me.

The question you raise about our poor passing might be correct but I don't see how that effects the decision between David or Solly starting. I think Lingard gets a pass on poor passing as he has had very little time to get used to playing with the team.
[quote][p][bold]Vince[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dave from bexill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: Fingers crossed for him, our team is seriously weakened by his regular absences.[/p][/quote]Agree Arnie and likewise Orlandi[/p][/quote]We had a lot of debating on this forum during our FA Cup run based on what our, 'best starting eleven,' is, with Buckley coming back we are, IMHO, one step closer to actually sending out our best eleven. Like wise I have to think that Orlandi is another that should be among the first few names on the team sheet, and when these two players are missing, I think that there is a knock on effect as to how others perform. With Crofts, Orlandi and Stephens all out, Oscar has to put Lingard in midfield for if he doesn't, we pose very little threat other than Ulloa. Buckley, Ulloa and Lingard will keep the QPR defense occupied and we will still be able to have both Ince and Andrews adding to our defensive shield, then it's either JFC or Spanish Dave for the final place on the team sheet, I would go with David.[/p][/quote]I would like to see Solly play instead of David. Elljam made the point that we concentrate too much on possession - but our passing v Millwall and Reading was atrocious - Andrews, Lopez, Ward, Greer and Lindegard regularly mis-directed their passes. Look at the possession statistics for these 2 games - very un-Albion like![/p][/quote]I opt for David over Solly simply because I hope that Buckley plays 90 minutes, and Solly is the cover player for Buckley. David might be blowing a tad hot and cold but he is the best penalty taker we have and probably the best when delivering from free kicks in the danger zone, but I would agree that isn't saying a lot. If we play with just one wide player, which I think we will, then David in midfield rather than Solly seems right to me. The question you raise about our poor passing might be correct but I don't see how that effects the decision between David or Solly starting. I think Lingard gets a pass on poor passing as he has had very little time to get used to playing with the team. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 2

1:28pm Mon 10 Mar 14

4everaseagull says...

russellsnr2 wrote:
I hope that Lewis Dunk will take this opportunity to show Oscar that he has what it takes as our back field do seem to be getting on a bit in age!!!
I only saw the highlights on the Seagulls Player but Bruno did seem to be a little slow, maybe someone who goes to the games can give a better idea of what we may need at the back next season?
Although you have say that what we have has done a grand job so far this season.
Looking forward to seeing Dunk play tomorrow night as although I have nothing against GG he is too slow and ponderous when bringing the ball out from the back as he prefers a sideways or backwards pass too often. If Dunky plays well he should be given a run in the side, although even if he has an MOM performance I suspect that is unlikely. As for Bruno I may get some stick here but for me he is our worst defender by a country mile. Yes posters will say what a breath of fresh air he is and yes he can be when going forward with some wonderful touches however a defenders first job is to DEFEND. Why then when the opposing wide left player advances towards our goal Bruno retreats all the time and allows straightforward crosses into the box. Watch Ward on the other side this happens far less. Is it a British/Spanish thing or is this how the defenders are coached? The more balls that end up in our box the more likely we shall concede. For the edge Bruno has going forward Calderon for me is the better defender and DEFEND is a defenders job first!
[quote][p][bold]russellsnr2[/bold] wrote: I hope that Lewis Dunk will take this opportunity to show Oscar that he has what it takes as our back field do seem to be getting on a bit in age!!! I only saw the highlights on the Seagulls Player but Bruno did seem to be a little slow, maybe someone who goes to the games can give a better idea of what we may need at the back next season? Although you have say that what we have has done a grand job so far this season.[/p][/quote]Looking forward to seeing Dunk play tomorrow night as although I have nothing against GG he is too slow and ponderous when bringing the ball out from the back as he prefers a sideways or backwards pass too often. If Dunky plays well he should be given a run in the side, although even if he has an MOM performance I suspect that is unlikely. As for Bruno I may get some stick here but for me he is our worst defender by a country mile. Yes posters will say what a breath of fresh air he is and yes he can be when going forward with some wonderful touches however a defenders first job is to DEFEND. Why then when the opposing wide left player advances towards our goal Bruno retreats all the time and allows straightforward crosses into the box. Watch Ward on the other side this happens far less. Is it a British/Spanish thing or is this how the defenders are coached? The more balls that end up in our box the more likely we shall concede. For the edge Bruno has going forward Calderon for me is the better defender and DEFEND is a defenders job first! 4everaseagull
  • Score: 3

1:34pm Mon 10 Mar 14

Woodies Seagull says...

4everaseagull wrote:
russellsnr2 wrote:
I hope that Lewis Dunk will take this opportunity to show Oscar that he has what it takes as our back field do seem to be getting on a bit in age!!!
I only saw the highlights on the Seagulls Player but Bruno did seem to be a little slow, maybe someone who goes to the games can give a better idea of what we may need at the back next season?
Although you have say that what we have has done a grand job so far this season.
Looking forward to seeing Dunk play tomorrow night as although I have nothing against GG he is too slow and ponderous when bringing the ball out from the back as he prefers a sideways or backwards pass too often. If Dunky plays well he should be given a run in the side, although even if he has an MOM performance I suspect that is unlikely. As for Bruno I may get some stick here but for me he is our worst defender by a country mile. Yes posters will say what a breath of fresh air he is and yes he can be when going forward with some wonderful touches however a defenders first job is to DEFEND. Why then when the opposing wide left player advances towards our goal Bruno retreats all the time and allows straightforward crosses into the box. Watch Ward on the other side this happens far less. Is it a British/Spanish thing or is this how the defenders are coached? The more balls that end up in our box the more likely we shall concede. For the edge Bruno has going forward Calderon for me is the better defender and DEFEND is a defenders job first!
I don't agree with this, although can understand your point. Stats don't lie, and we've kept more clean sheets than anyone in our division, and have one of the best defensive records. Bruno is one of our most gifted players, and is playing some of his best football for us in 2 seasons.
[quote][p][bold]4everaseagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]russellsnr2[/bold] wrote: I hope that Lewis Dunk will take this opportunity to show Oscar that he has what it takes as our back field do seem to be getting on a bit in age!!! I only saw the highlights on the Seagulls Player but Bruno did seem to be a little slow, maybe someone who goes to the games can give a better idea of what we may need at the back next season? Although you have say that what we have has done a grand job so far this season.[/p][/quote]Looking forward to seeing Dunk play tomorrow night as although I have nothing against GG he is too slow and ponderous when bringing the ball out from the back as he prefers a sideways or backwards pass too often. If Dunky plays well he should be given a run in the side, although even if he has an MOM performance I suspect that is unlikely. As for Bruno I may get some stick here but for me he is our worst defender by a country mile. Yes posters will say what a breath of fresh air he is and yes he can be when going forward with some wonderful touches however a defenders first job is to DEFEND. Why then when the opposing wide left player advances towards our goal Bruno retreats all the time and allows straightforward crosses into the box. Watch Ward on the other side this happens far less. Is it a British/Spanish thing or is this how the defenders are coached? The more balls that end up in our box the more likely we shall concede. For the edge Bruno has going forward Calderon for me is the better defender and DEFEND is a defenders job first![/p][/quote]I don't agree with this, although can understand your point. Stats don't lie, and we've kept more clean sheets than anyone in our division, and have one of the best defensive records. Bruno is one of our most gifted players, and is playing some of his best football for us in 2 seasons. Woodies Seagull
  • Score: 6

1:35pm Mon 10 Mar 14

Far gull says...

Vince wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
dave from bexill wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote: Fingers crossed for him, our team is seriously weakened by his regular absences.
Agree Arnie and likewise Orlandi
We had a lot of debating on this forum during our FA Cup run based on what our, 'best starting eleven,' is, with Buckley coming back we are, IMHO, one step closer to actually sending out our best eleven. Like wise I have to think that Orlandi is another that should be among the first few names on the team sheet, and when these two players are missing, I think that there is a knock on effect as to how others perform. With Crofts, Orlandi and Stephens all out, Oscar has to put Lingard in midfield for if he doesn't, we pose very little threat other than Ulloa. Buckley, Ulloa and Lingard will keep the QPR defense occupied and we will still be able to have both Ince and Andrews adding to our defensive shield, then it's either JFC or Spanish Dave for the final place on the team sheet, I would go with David.
I would like to see Solly play instead of David.

Elljam made the point that we concentrate too much on possession - but our passing v Millwall and Reading was atrocious - Andrews, Lopez, Ward, Greer and Lindegard regularly mis-directed their passes.
Look at the possession statistics for these 2 games - very un-Albion like!
Far too much made of protecting the back four. Fact we have conceded few but scored few. Idea of football ...score more than opposition and entertain paying yes paying public. In Ince we have protection required so ,bearing in mind lose tommorow and we are on summer holidays quite frankly.
TK
Bruno Calderon Upson Ward
Ince
Buckley Stephens Lualua
Ulloa Lingaard

If Stephens not fit Dave 1 with Solly ,Obika ,Dave 2 amongst subs
I know Dunk is supposed to be playing but not my choice that's all
[quote][p][bold]Vince[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dave from bexill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: Fingers crossed for him, our team is seriously weakened by his regular absences.[/p][/quote]Agree Arnie and likewise Orlandi[/p][/quote]We had a lot of debating on this forum during our FA Cup run based on what our, 'best starting eleven,' is, with Buckley coming back we are, IMHO, one step closer to actually sending out our best eleven. Like wise I have to think that Orlandi is another that should be among the first few names on the team sheet, and when these two players are missing, I think that there is a knock on effect as to how others perform. With Crofts, Orlandi and Stephens all out, Oscar has to put Lingard in midfield for if he doesn't, we pose very little threat other than Ulloa. Buckley, Ulloa and Lingard will keep the QPR defense occupied and we will still be able to have both Ince and Andrews adding to our defensive shield, then it's either JFC or Spanish Dave for the final place on the team sheet, I would go with David.[/p][/quote]I would like to see Solly play instead of David. Elljam made the point that we concentrate too much on possession - but our passing v Millwall and Reading was atrocious - Andrews, Lopez, Ward, Greer and Lindegard regularly mis-directed their passes. Look at the possession statistics for these 2 games - very un-Albion like![/p][/quote]Far too much made of protecting the back four. Fact we have conceded few but scored few. Idea of football ...score more than opposition and entertain paying yes paying public. In Ince we have protection required so ,bearing in mind lose tommorow and we are on summer holidays quite frankly. TK Bruno Calderon Upson Ward Ince Buckley Stephens Lualua Ulloa Lingaard If Stephens not fit Dave 1 with Solly ,Obika ,Dave 2 amongst subs I know Dunk is supposed to be playing but not my choice that's all Far gull
  • Score: -6

1:45pm Mon 10 Mar 14

lowerbeedingseagull says...

Buckley getting a start tomorrow presupposes that the " brains trust" take a huge risk and pick the best available team for a change!!

At least there is a premier League ref in charge rather than Fred from Saturday , thank goodness.
Buckley getting a start tomorrow presupposes that the " brains trust" take a huge risk and pick the best available team for a change!! At least there is a premier League ref in charge rather than Fred from Saturday , thank goodness. lowerbeedingseagull
  • Score: 5

1:56pm Mon 10 Mar 14

jockithenoo says...

elljam wrote:
Burnley = Budget (Low)
Technical ability (fair/average)
Fitness levels (very good)
Desire to get forward (very high)
Work rate (very high)
Apparent motivation from touchline (Very good)
Goals scored - 54
Goals conceded - 27
Points - 69

Brighton = Budget (fair)
Technical ability (good/very good)
Fitness levels (questionable)
Desire to get forward (minimal)
Apparent motivation from touchline (non-existent)
Work rate (poor- possibly due to the above 3 categories)
Goals scored - 35
Goals conceded - 28
Points - 50

Make what you want of the above observations, but the stats don't lie.

I've been a fan of our passing/possession football over the last few seasons but it now seems to have gone to a whole new level.
Ultimately it appears to be about keeping the ball for as long as possible regardless of creating opportunities & possession stats being more important than goals. On Saturday we had free-kicks in the opponents half & 2 touches later the ball was at the feet of Kuszczak'.
The reluctance to play the likes of Buckley & LuaLua for longer periods has been put down to injuries but I'm beginning to suspect it's simply because they are not trusted & seen as too high risk for our safety-first football because when taking on opponents they may (heaven forbid) lose the ball.
The preference is for players who are technically sound, do not charge up the pitch at the risk of being out of position if the ball is lost & play a sideways/backwards pass to keep hold of that oh so precious football.
Believe it or not we are playing in the Championship & not the Champions League, so if you lose the ball you may not have to wait a long time to get it back again.
I'm not saying follow the Burnley blueprint but surely trying to add some of their old-fashioned qualities into our game would not be such a bad thing.
Surely it's not beneath some of our "thoroughbreds" to bust a gut to get in the box or the play a riskier pass that may lose possession or (you never know) make a goal scoring chance.
Give our potentially match-winning players more game time & with the confidence that at the first sign of things not going well they will not be subbed or dropped.
Or alternatively we can continue in the direction we are going & bring George Graham out of retirement.

Amen
Some good points
but don't you find when we do have a runner the pass is far late and the player is static by the time he gets the ball ?
We need a bit more vision and give the ball to the attacker when he's running at the defence that's when we can damage opposition defence no defender likes anybody running at them.
UTA
[quote][p][bold]elljam[/bold] wrote: Burnley = Budget (Low) Technical ability (fair/average) Fitness levels (very good) Desire to get forward (very high) Work rate (very high) Apparent motivation from touchline (Very good) Goals scored - 54 Goals conceded - 27 Points - 69 Brighton = Budget (fair) Technical ability (good/very good) Fitness levels (questionable) Desire to get forward (minimal) Apparent motivation from touchline (non-existent) Work rate (poor- possibly due to the above 3 categories) Goals scored - 35 Goals conceded - 28 Points - 50 Make what you want of the above observations, but the stats don't lie. I've been a fan of our passing/possession football over the last few seasons but it now seems to have gone to a whole new level. Ultimately it appears to be about keeping the ball for as long as possible regardless of creating opportunities & possession stats being more important than goals. On Saturday we had free-kicks in the opponents half & 2 touches later the ball was at the feet of Kuszczak'. The reluctance to play the likes of Buckley & LuaLua for longer periods has been put down to injuries but I'm beginning to suspect it's simply because they are not trusted & seen as too high risk for our safety-first football because when taking on opponents they may (heaven forbid) lose the ball. The preference is for players who are technically sound, do not charge up the pitch at the risk of being out of position if the ball is lost & play a sideways/backwards pass to keep hold of that oh so precious football. Believe it or not we are playing in the Championship & not the Champions League, so if you lose the ball you may not have to wait a long time to get it back again. I'm not saying follow the Burnley blueprint but surely trying to add some of their old-fashioned qualities into our game would not be such a bad thing. Surely it's not beneath some of our "thoroughbreds" to bust a gut to get in the box or the play a riskier pass that may lose possession or (you never know) make a goal scoring chance. Give our potentially match-winning players more game time & with the confidence that at the first sign of things not going well they will not be subbed or dropped. Or alternatively we can continue in the direction we are going & bring George Graham out of retirement. Amen[/p][/quote]Some good points but don't you find when we do have a runner the pass is far late and the player is static by the time he gets the ball ? We need a bit more vision and give the ball to the attacker when he's running at the defence that's when we can damage opposition defence no defender likes anybody running at them. UTA jockithenoo
  • Score: 7

2:12pm Mon 10 Mar 14

russellsnr2 says...

VegasSeagull!!
Off topic, Did you find the game live on Saturday all the ones I tried either wanted pay as view or just didn't have anything showing and cannot see it advertised for tomorrow and thought a game like this would be there!!!
VegasSeagull!! Off topic, Did you find the game live on Saturday all the ones I tried either wanted pay as view or just didn't have anything showing and cannot see it advertised for tomorrow and thought a game like this would be there!!! russellsnr2
  • Score: 0

2:14pm Mon 10 Mar 14

graham w says...

Lets hope buckey starts replacing caskey, and stephans replaces andrews then i think we will be in with a shout.UTA.....Seagul
ls......
Lets hope buckey starts replacing caskey, and stephans replaces andrews then i think we will be in with a shout.UTA.....Seagul ls...... graham w
  • Score: 7

2:44pm Mon 10 Mar 14

4everaseagull says...

Woodies Seagull wrote:
4everaseagull wrote:
russellsnr2 wrote:
I hope that Lewis Dunk will take this opportunity to show Oscar that he has what it takes as our back field do seem to be getting on a bit in age!!!
I only saw the highlights on the Seagulls Player but Bruno did seem to be a little slow, maybe someone who goes to the games can give a better idea of what we may need at the back next season?
Although you have say that what we have has done a grand job so far this season.
Looking forward to seeing Dunk play tomorrow night as although I have nothing against GG he is too slow and ponderous when bringing the ball out from the back as he prefers a sideways or backwards pass too often. If Dunky plays well he should be given a run in the side, although even if he has an MOM performance I suspect that is unlikely. As for Bruno I may get some stick here but for me he is our worst defender by a country mile. Yes posters will say what a breath of fresh air he is and yes he can be when going forward with some wonderful touches however a defenders first job is to DEFEND. Why then when the opposing wide left player advances towards our goal Bruno retreats all the time and allows straightforward crosses into the box. Watch Ward on the other side this happens far less. Is it a British/Spanish thing or is this how the defenders are coached? The more balls that end up in our box the more likely we shall concede. For the edge Bruno has going forward Calderon for me is the better defender and DEFEND is a defenders job first!
I don't agree with this, although can understand your point. Stats don't lie, and we've kept more clean sheets than anyone in our division, and have one of the best defensive records. Bruno is one of our most gifted players, and is playing some of his best football for us in 2 seasons.
The stats thing on the clean sheet side is interesting. Bruno has missed ten league games of the 33 played whereas Upson has played in everyone, Ward has only missed two, therefore I feel the defensive record is more to do with these two than Bruno & both are British. It is after all about opinions on players and yes I agree with you that Bruno may be a gifted player going forward but he does not defend convincingly for me. Far too much show boating and conceding of daft freekicks around our box. Still as we say all about opinions. Lets agree on one thing 3 points is a must tomorrow and oh for some real attacking football. UTA
[quote][p][bold]Woodies Seagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]4everaseagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]russellsnr2[/bold] wrote: I hope that Lewis Dunk will take this opportunity to show Oscar that he has what it takes as our back field do seem to be getting on a bit in age!!! I only saw the highlights on the Seagulls Player but Bruno did seem to be a little slow, maybe someone who goes to the games can give a better idea of what we may need at the back next season? Although you have say that what we have has done a grand job so far this season.[/p][/quote]Looking forward to seeing Dunk play tomorrow night as although I have nothing against GG he is too slow and ponderous when bringing the ball out from the back as he prefers a sideways or backwards pass too often. If Dunky plays well he should be given a run in the side, although even if he has an MOM performance I suspect that is unlikely. As for Bruno I may get some stick here but for me he is our worst defender by a country mile. Yes posters will say what a breath of fresh air he is and yes he can be when going forward with some wonderful touches however a defenders first job is to DEFEND. Why then when the opposing wide left player advances towards our goal Bruno retreats all the time and allows straightforward crosses into the box. Watch Ward on the other side this happens far less. Is it a British/Spanish thing or is this how the defenders are coached? The more balls that end up in our box the more likely we shall concede. For the edge Bruno has going forward Calderon for me is the better defender and DEFEND is a defenders job first![/p][/quote]I don't agree with this, although can understand your point. Stats don't lie, and we've kept more clean sheets than anyone in our division, and have one of the best defensive records. Bruno is one of our most gifted players, and is playing some of his best football for us in 2 seasons.[/p][/quote]The stats thing on the clean sheet side is interesting. Bruno has missed ten league games of the 33 played whereas Upson has played in everyone, Ward has only missed two, therefore I feel the defensive record is more to do with these two than Bruno & both are British. It is after all about opinions on players and yes I agree with you that Bruno may be a gifted player going forward but he does not defend convincingly for me. Far too much show boating and conceding of daft freekicks around our box. Still as we say all about opinions. Lets agree on one thing 3 points is a must tomorrow and oh for some real attacking football. UTA 4everaseagull
  • Score: 2

2:55pm Mon 10 Mar 14

elljam says...

jockithenoo wrote:
elljam wrote:
Burnley = Budget (Low)
Technical ability (fair/average)
Fitness levels (very good)
Desire to get forward (very high)
Work rate (very high)
Apparent motivation from touchline (Very good)
Goals scored - 54
Goals conceded - 27
Points - 69

Brighton = Budget (fair)
Technical ability (good/very good)
Fitness levels (questionable)
Desire to get forward (minimal)
Apparent motivation from touchline (non-existent)
Work rate (poor- possibly due to the above 3 categories)
Goals scored - 35
Goals conceded - 28
Points - 50

Make what you want of the above observations, but the stats don't lie.

I've been a fan of our passing/possession football over the last few seasons but it now seems to have gone to a whole new level.
Ultimately it appears to be about keeping the ball for as long as possible regardless of creating opportunities & possession stats being more important than goals. On Saturday we had free-kicks in the opponents half & 2 touches later the ball was at the feet of Kuszczak'.
The reluctance to play the likes of Buckley & LuaLua for longer periods has been put down to injuries but I'm beginning to suspect it's simply because they are not trusted & seen as too high risk for our safety-first football because when taking on opponents they may (heaven forbid) lose the ball.
The preference is for players who are technically sound, do not charge up the pitch at the risk of being out of position if the ball is lost & play a sideways/backwards pass to keep hold of that oh so precious football.
Believe it or not we are playing in the Championship & not the Champions League, so if you lose the ball you may not have to wait a long time to get it back again.
I'm not saying follow the Burnley blueprint but surely trying to add some of their old-fashioned qualities into our game would not be such a bad thing.
Surely it's not beneath some of our "thoroughbreds" to bust a gut to get in the box or the play a riskier pass that may lose possession or (you never know) make a goal scoring chance.
Give our potentially match-winning players more game time & with the confidence that at the first sign of things not going well they will not be subbed or dropped.
Or alternatively we can continue in the direction we are going & bring George Graham out of retirement.

Amen
Some good points
but don't you find when we do have a runner the pass is far late and the player is static by the time he gets the ball ?
We need a bit more vision and give the ball to the attacker when he's running at the defence that's when we can damage opposition defence no defender likes anybody running at them.
UTA
The pass is often too late because the natural instinct for the player in possession is to look sideways or backwards first
[quote][p][bold]jockithenoo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elljam[/bold] wrote: Burnley = Budget (Low) Technical ability (fair/average) Fitness levels (very good) Desire to get forward (very high) Work rate (very high) Apparent motivation from touchline (Very good) Goals scored - 54 Goals conceded - 27 Points - 69 Brighton = Budget (fair) Technical ability (good/very good) Fitness levels (questionable) Desire to get forward (minimal) Apparent motivation from touchline (non-existent) Work rate (poor- possibly due to the above 3 categories) Goals scored - 35 Goals conceded - 28 Points - 50 Make what you want of the above observations, but the stats don't lie. I've been a fan of our passing/possession football over the last few seasons but it now seems to have gone to a whole new level. Ultimately it appears to be about keeping the ball for as long as possible regardless of creating opportunities & possession stats being more important than goals. On Saturday we had free-kicks in the opponents half & 2 touches later the ball was at the feet of Kuszczak'. The reluctance to play the likes of Buckley & LuaLua for longer periods has been put down to injuries but I'm beginning to suspect it's simply because they are not trusted & seen as too high risk for our safety-first football because when taking on opponents they may (heaven forbid) lose the ball. The preference is for players who are technically sound, do not charge up the pitch at the risk of being out of position if the ball is lost & play a sideways/backwards pass to keep hold of that oh so precious football. Believe it or not we are playing in the Championship & not the Champions League, so if you lose the ball you may not have to wait a long time to get it back again. I'm not saying follow the Burnley blueprint but surely trying to add some of their old-fashioned qualities into our game would not be such a bad thing. Surely it's not beneath some of our "thoroughbreds" to bust a gut to get in the box or the play a riskier pass that may lose possession or (you never know) make a goal scoring chance. Give our potentially match-winning players more game time & with the confidence that at the first sign of things not going well they will not be subbed or dropped. Or alternatively we can continue in the direction we are going & bring George Graham out of retirement. Amen[/p][/quote]Some good points but don't you find when we do have a runner the pass is far late and the player is static by the time he gets the ball ? We need a bit more vision and give the ball to the attacker when he's running at the defence that's when we can damage opposition defence no defender likes anybody running at them. UTA[/p][/quote]The pass is often too late because the natural instinct for the player in possession is to look sideways or backwards first elljam
  • Score: 2

3:07pm Mon 10 Mar 14

VegasSeagull says...

russellsnr2 wrote:
VegasSeagull!!
Off topic, Did you find the game live on Saturday all the ones I tried either wanted pay as view or just didn't have anything showing and cannot see it advertised for tomorrow and thought a game like this would be there!!!
No it wasn't on the net, it was listed, but that's all. I checked every site.
[quote][p][bold]russellsnr2[/bold] wrote: VegasSeagull!! Off topic, Did you find the game live on Saturday all the ones I tried either wanted pay as view or just didn't have anything showing and cannot see it advertised for tomorrow and thought a game like this would be there!!![/p][/quote]No it wasn't on the net, it was listed, but that's all. I checked every site. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 1

3:25pm Mon 10 Mar 14

Gee Jay says...

Let's give this overspending West London lot something to think about tomorrow night!
UTA
Let's give this overspending West London lot something to think about tomorrow night! UTA Gee Jay
  • Score: 7

3:36pm Mon 10 Mar 14

VegasSeagull says...

Gee Jay wrote:
Let's give this overspending West London lot something to think about tomorrow night!
UTA
the meaning of life, the cosmos and the big bang theory, or, will CMS feature, I think he might.
[quote][p][bold]Gee Jay[/bold] wrote: Let's give this overspending West London lot something to think about tomorrow night! UTA[/p][/quote]the meaning of life, the cosmos and the big bang theory, or, will CMS feature, I think he might. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 2

3:42pm Mon 10 Mar 14

tinker111 says...

HI Anyone tell me what has happened to David Rodriguez????
HI Anyone tell me what has happened to David Rodriguez???? tinker111
  • Score: 1

3:51pm Mon 10 Mar 14

Sheil says...

Sorry getting away from the Buckley topic, but feel readers might be interested per below!

On Saturday I spoke to Paul Barber who was being interviewed for BBC TV in front of me, & he said his interview would be televised tonight!
I've looked as to what time it could possibly be & think it has to be BBC 1 @ 11.20pm.
Anybody else have any views on this?

Could be interesting!
Sorry getting away from the Buckley topic, but feel readers might be interested per below! On Saturday I spoke to Paul Barber who was being interviewed for BBC TV in front of me, & he said his interview would be televised tonight! I've looked as to what time it could possibly be & think it has to be BBC 1 @ 11.20pm. Anybody else have any views on this? Could be interesting! Sheil
  • Score: 1

3:56pm Mon 10 Mar 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

4everaseagull wrote:
Woodies Seagull wrote:
4everaseagull wrote:
russellsnr2 wrote:
I hope that Lewis Dunk will take this opportunity to show Oscar that he has what it takes as our back field do seem to be getting on a bit in age!!!
I only saw the highlights on the Seagulls Player but Bruno did seem to be a little slow, maybe someone who goes to the games can give a better idea of what we may need at the back next season?
Although you have say that what we have has done a grand job so far this season.
Looking forward to seeing Dunk play tomorrow night as although I have nothing against GG he is too slow and ponderous when bringing the ball out from the back as he prefers a sideways or backwards pass too often. If Dunky plays well he should be given a run in the side, although even if he has an MOM performance I suspect that is unlikely. As for Bruno I may get some stick here but for me he is our worst defender by a country mile. Yes posters will say what a breath of fresh air he is and yes he can be when going forward with some wonderful touches however a defenders first job is to DEFEND. Why then when the opposing wide left player advances towards our goal Bruno retreats all the time and allows straightforward crosses into the box. Watch Ward on the other side this happens far less. Is it a British/Spanish thing or is this how the defenders are coached? The more balls that end up in our box the more likely we shall concede. For the edge Bruno has going forward Calderon for me is the better defender and DEFEND is a defenders job first!
I don't agree with this, although can understand your point. Stats don't lie, and we've kept more clean sheets than anyone in our division, and have one of the best defensive records. Bruno is one of our most gifted players, and is playing some of his best football for us in 2 seasons.
The stats thing on the clean sheet side is interesting. Bruno has missed ten league games of the 33 played whereas Upson has played in everyone, Ward has only missed two, therefore I feel the defensive record is more to do with these two than Bruno & both are British. It is after all about opinions on players and yes I agree with you that Bruno may be a gifted player going forward but he does not defend convincingly for me. Far too much show boating and conceding of daft freekicks around our box. Still as we say all about opinions. Lets agree on one thing 3 points is a must tomorrow and oh for some real attacking football. UTA
Don't let Stephen Ward hear you describe him as British - he really, really isn't! :-)
[quote][p][bold]4everaseagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Woodies Seagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]4everaseagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]russellsnr2[/bold] wrote: I hope that Lewis Dunk will take this opportunity to show Oscar that he has what it takes as our back field do seem to be getting on a bit in age!!! I only saw the highlights on the Seagulls Player but Bruno did seem to be a little slow, maybe someone who goes to the games can give a better idea of what we may need at the back next season? Although you have say that what we have has done a grand job so far this season.[/p][/quote]Looking forward to seeing Dunk play tomorrow night as although I have nothing against GG he is too slow and ponderous when bringing the ball out from the back as he prefers a sideways or backwards pass too often. If Dunky plays well he should be given a run in the side, although even if he has an MOM performance I suspect that is unlikely. As for Bruno I may get some stick here but for me he is our worst defender by a country mile. Yes posters will say what a breath of fresh air he is and yes he can be when going forward with some wonderful touches however a defenders first job is to DEFEND. Why then when the opposing wide left player advances towards our goal Bruno retreats all the time and allows straightforward crosses into the box. Watch Ward on the other side this happens far less. Is it a British/Spanish thing or is this how the defenders are coached? The more balls that end up in our box the more likely we shall concede. For the edge Bruno has going forward Calderon for me is the better defender and DEFEND is a defenders job first![/p][/quote]I don't agree with this, although can understand your point. Stats don't lie, and we've kept more clean sheets than anyone in our division, and have one of the best defensive records. Bruno is one of our most gifted players, and is playing some of his best football for us in 2 seasons.[/p][/quote]The stats thing on the clean sheet side is interesting. Bruno has missed ten league games of the 33 played whereas Upson has played in everyone, Ward has only missed two, therefore I feel the defensive record is more to do with these two than Bruno & both are British. It is after all about opinions on players and yes I agree with you that Bruno may be a gifted player going forward but he does not defend convincingly for me. Far too much show boating and conceding of daft freekicks around our box. Still as we say all about opinions. Lets agree on one thing 3 points is a must tomorrow and oh for some real attacking football. UTA[/p][/quote]Don't let Stephen Ward hear you describe him as British - he really, really isn't! :-) Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 5

4:11pm Mon 10 Mar 14

Beethoven says...

"Dunk will make his first Championship start "

Heaven help us, then ....
"Dunk will make his first Championship start " Heaven help us, then .... Beethoven
  • Score: -15

4:16pm Mon 10 Mar 14

VegasSeagull says...

Beethoven wrote:
"Dunk will make his first Championship start "

Heaven help us, then ....
and your comment is based on what, his terrible performances in our recent cup run?
[quote][p][bold]Beethoven[/bold] wrote: "Dunk will make his first Championship start " Heaven help us, then ....[/p][/quote]and your comment is based on what, his terrible performances in our recent cup run? VegasSeagull
  • Score: 5

4:23pm Mon 10 Mar 14

wiseman of hove says...

Nice timely pressure on Oscar by Andy Naylor to start Buckley tomorrow. Over to you Oscar
Nice timely pressure on Oscar by Andy Naylor to start Buckley tomorrow. Over to you Oscar wiseman of hove
  • Score: 2

4:29pm Mon 10 Mar 14

mark by the sea says...

wiseman of hove wrote:
Nice timely pressure on Oscar by Andy Naylor to start Buckley tomorrow. Over to you Oscar
Last season we went on about signing a striker , then ulloa came, we ended up with 69 goals from 46 games, we look to be on the 45- 50 for this season, yes we are the best defence, but playing 6 defenders and a premiership quality keeper may be the reason, we need to play to win games at home, we are allowing to many sides and weak defences far to much respect,
On the dunk issue lets hope he stays on the pitch, the lad ravel Morrison is a quality player .. 3 years ago he was on the wanted list of half the top sides in Europe ... We will need to keep him quiet and take the game to QPR with some pace.
[quote][p][bold]wiseman of hove[/bold] wrote: Nice timely pressure on Oscar by Andy Naylor to start Buckley tomorrow. Over to you Oscar[/p][/quote]Last season we went on about signing a striker , then ulloa came, we ended up with 69 goals from 46 games, we look to be on the 45- 50 for this season, yes we are the best defence, but playing 6 defenders and a premiership quality keeper may be the reason, we need to play to win games at home, we are allowing to many sides and weak defences far to much respect, On the dunk issue lets hope he stays on the pitch, the lad ravel Morrison is a quality player .. 3 years ago he was on the wanted list of half the top sides in Europe ... We will need to keep him quiet and take the game to QPR with some pace. mark by the sea
  • Score: 3

4:42pm Mon 10 Mar 14

4everaseagull says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
4everaseagull wrote:
Woodies Seagull wrote:
4everaseagull wrote:
russellsnr2 wrote:
I hope that Lewis Dunk will take this opportunity to show Oscar that he has what it takes as our back field do seem to be getting on a bit in age!!!
I only saw the highlights on the Seagulls Player but Bruno did seem to be a little slow, maybe someone who goes to the games can give a better idea of what we may need at the back next season?
Although you have say that what we have has done a grand job so far this season.
Looking forward to seeing Dunk play tomorrow night as although I have nothing against GG he is too slow and ponderous when bringing the ball out from the back as he prefers a sideways or backwards pass too often. If Dunky plays well he should be given a run in the side, although even if he has an MOM performance I suspect that is unlikely. As for Bruno I may get some stick here but for me he is our worst defender by a country mile. Yes posters will say what a breath of fresh air he is and yes he can be when going forward with some wonderful touches however a defenders first job is to DEFEND. Why then when the opposing wide left player advances towards our goal Bruno retreats all the time and allows straightforward crosses into the box. Watch Ward on the other side this happens far less. Is it a British/Spanish thing or is this how the defenders are coached? The more balls that end up in our box the more likely we shall concede. For the edge Bruno has going forward Calderon for me is the better defender and DEFEND is a defenders job first!
I don't agree with this, although can understand your point. Stats don't lie, and we've kept more clean sheets than anyone in our division, and have one of the best defensive records. Bruno is one of our most gifted players, and is playing some of his best football for us in 2 seasons.
The stats thing on the clean sheet side is interesting. Bruno has missed ten league games of the 33 played whereas Upson has played in everyone, Ward has only missed two, therefore I feel the defensive record is more to do with these two than Bruno & both are British. It is after all about opinions on players and yes I agree with you that Bruno may be a gifted player going forward but he does not defend convincingly for me. Far too much show boating and conceding of daft freekicks around our box. Still as we say all about opinions. Lets agree on one thing 3 points is a must tomorrow and oh for some real attacking football. UTA
Don't let Stephen Ward hear you describe him as British - he really, really isn't! :-)
I wonder what he would like to be called?
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]4everaseagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Woodies Seagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]4everaseagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]russellsnr2[/bold] wrote: I hope that Lewis Dunk will take this opportunity to show Oscar that he has what it takes as our back field do seem to be getting on a bit in age!!! I only saw the highlights on the Seagulls Player but Bruno did seem to be a little slow, maybe someone who goes to the games can give a better idea of what we may need at the back next season? Although you have say that what we have has done a grand job so far this season.[/p][/quote]Looking forward to seeing Dunk play tomorrow night as although I have nothing against GG he is too slow and ponderous when bringing the ball out from the back as he prefers a sideways or backwards pass too often. If Dunky plays well he should be given a run in the side, although even if he has an MOM performance I suspect that is unlikely. As for Bruno I may get some stick here but for me he is our worst defender by a country mile. Yes posters will say what a breath of fresh air he is and yes he can be when going forward with some wonderful touches however a defenders first job is to DEFEND. Why then when the opposing wide left player advances towards our goal Bruno retreats all the time and allows straightforward crosses into the box. Watch Ward on the other side this happens far less. Is it a British/Spanish thing or is this how the defenders are coached? The more balls that end up in our box the more likely we shall concede. For the edge Bruno has going forward Calderon for me is the better defender and DEFEND is a defenders job first![/p][/quote]I don't agree with this, although can understand your point. Stats don't lie, and we've kept more clean sheets than anyone in our division, and have one of the best defensive records. Bruno is one of our most gifted players, and is playing some of his best football for us in 2 seasons.[/p][/quote]The stats thing on the clean sheet side is interesting. Bruno has missed ten league games of the 33 played whereas Upson has played in everyone, Ward has only missed two, therefore I feel the defensive record is more to do with these two than Bruno & both are British. It is after all about opinions on players and yes I agree with you that Bruno may be a gifted player going forward but he does not defend convincingly for me. Far too much show boating and conceding of daft freekicks around our box. Still as we say all about opinions. Lets agree on one thing 3 points is a must tomorrow and oh for some real attacking football. UTA[/p][/quote]Don't let Stephen Ward hear you describe him as British - he really, really isn't! :-)[/p][/quote]I wonder what he would like to be called? 4everaseagull
  • Score: 0

4:54pm Mon 10 Mar 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

4everaseagull wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
4everaseagull wrote:
Woodies Seagull wrote:
4everaseagull wrote:
russellsnr2 wrote:
I hope that Lewis Dunk will take this opportunity to show Oscar that he has what it takes as our back field do seem to be getting on a bit in age!!!
I only saw the highlights on the Seagulls Player but Bruno did seem to be a little slow, maybe someone who goes to the games can give a better idea of what we may need at the back next season?
Although you have say that what we have has done a grand job so far this season.
Looking forward to seeing Dunk play tomorrow night as although I have nothing against GG he is too slow and ponderous when bringing the ball out from the back as he prefers a sideways or backwards pass too often. If Dunky plays well he should be given a run in the side, although even if he has an MOM performance I suspect that is unlikely. As for Bruno I may get some stick here but for me he is our worst defender by a country mile. Yes posters will say what a breath of fresh air he is and yes he can be when going forward with some wonderful touches however a defenders first job is to DEFEND. Why then when the opposing wide left player advances towards our goal Bruno retreats all the time and allows straightforward crosses into the box. Watch Ward on the other side this happens far less. Is it a British/Spanish thing or is this how the defenders are coached? The more balls that end up in our box the more likely we shall concede. For the edge Bruno has going forward Calderon for me is the better defender and DEFEND is a defenders job first!
I don't agree with this, although can understand your point. Stats don't lie, and we've kept more clean sheets than anyone in our division, and have one of the best defensive records. Bruno is one of our most gifted players, and is playing some of his best football for us in 2 seasons.
The stats thing on the clean sheet side is interesting. Bruno has missed ten league games of the 33 played whereas Upson has played in everyone, Ward has only missed two, therefore I feel the defensive record is more to do with these two than Bruno & both are British. It is after all about opinions on players and yes I agree with you that Bruno may be a gifted player going forward but he does not defend convincingly for me. Far too much show boating and conceding of daft freekicks around our box. Still as we say all about opinions. Lets agree on one thing 3 points is a must tomorrow and oh for some real attacking football. UTA
Don't let Stephen Ward hear you describe him as British - he really, really isn't! :-)
I wonder what he would like to be called?
Irish?
[quote][p][bold]4everaseagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]4everaseagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Woodies Seagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]4everaseagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]russellsnr2[/bold] wrote: I hope that Lewis Dunk will take this opportunity to show Oscar that he has what it takes as our back field do seem to be getting on a bit in age!!! I only saw the highlights on the Seagulls Player but Bruno did seem to be a little slow, maybe someone who goes to the games can give a better idea of what we may need at the back next season? Although you have say that what we have has done a grand job so far this season.[/p][/quote]Looking forward to seeing Dunk play tomorrow night as although I have nothing against GG he is too slow and ponderous when bringing the ball out from the back as he prefers a sideways or backwards pass too often. If Dunky plays well he should be given a run in the side, although even if he has an MOM performance I suspect that is unlikely. As for Bruno I may get some stick here but for me he is our worst defender by a country mile. Yes posters will say what a breath of fresh air he is and yes he can be when going forward with some wonderful touches however a defenders first job is to DEFEND. Why then when the opposing wide left player advances towards our goal Bruno retreats all the time and allows straightforward crosses into the box. Watch Ward on the other side this happens far less. Is it a British/Spanish thing or is this how the defenders are coached? The more balls that end up in our box the more likely we shall concede. For the edge Bruno has going forward Calderon for me is the better defender and DEFEND is a defenders job first![/p][/quote]I don't agree with this, although can understand your point. Stats don't lie, and we've kept more clean sheets than anyone in our division, and have one of the best defensive records. Bruno is one of our most gifted players, and is playing some of his best football for us in 2 seasons.[/p][/quote]The stats thing on the clean sheet side is interesting. Bruno has missed ten league games of the 33 played whereas Upson has played in everyone, Ward has only missed two, therefore I feel the defensive record is more to do with these two than Bruno & both are British. It is after all about opinions on players and yes I agree with you that Bruno may be a gifted player going forward but he does not defend convincingly for me. Far too much show boating and conceding of daft freekicks around our box. Still as we say all about opinions. Lets agree on one thing 3 points is a must tomorrow and oh for some real attacking football. UTA[/p][/quote]Don't let Stephen Ward hear you describe him as British - he really, really isn't! :-)[/p][/quote]I wonder what he would like to be called?[/p][/quote]Irish? Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 4

5:28pm Mon 10 Mar 14

AlanDuffy says...

elljam wrote:
Burnley = Budget (Low)
Technical ability (fair/average)
Fitness levels (very good)
Desire to get forward (very high)
Work rate (very high)
Apparent motivation from touchline (Very good)
Goals scored - 54
Goals conceded - 27
Points - 69

Brighton = Budget (fair)
Technical ability (good/very good)
Fitness levels (questionable)
Desire to get forward (minimal)
Apparent motivation from touchline (non-existent)
Work rate (poor- possibly due to the above 3 categories)
Goals scored - 35
Goals conceded - 28
Points - 50

Make what you want of the above observations, but the stats don't lie.

I've been a fan of our passing/possession football over the last few seasons but it now seems to have gone to a whole new level.
Ultimately it appears to be about keeping the ball for as long as possible regardless of creating opportunities & possession stats being more important than goals. On Saturday we had free-kicks in the opponents half & 2 touches later the ball was at the feet of Kuszczak'.
The reluctance to play the likes of Buckley & LuaLua for longer periods has been put down to injuries but I'm beginning to suspect it's simply because they are not trusted & seen as too high risk for our safety-first football because when taking on opponents they may (heaven forbid) lose the ball.
The preference is for players who are technically sound, do not charge up the pitch at the risk of being out of position if the ball is lost & play a sideways/backwards pass to keep hold of that oh so precious football.
Believe it or not we are playing in the Championship & not the Champions League, so if you lose the ball you may not have to wait a long time to get it back again.
I'm not saying follow the Burnley blueprint but surely trying to add some of their old-fashioned qualities into our game would not be such a bad thing.
Surely it's not beneath some of our "thoroughbreds" to bust a gut to get in the box or the play a riskier pass that may lose possession or (you never know) make a goal scoring chance.
Give our potentially match-winning players more game time & with the confidence that at the first sign of things not going well they will not be subbed or dropped.
Or alternatively we can continue in the direction we are going & bring George Graham out of retirement.

Amen
Sean Dyche has been at the club since 2012 and has almost 2 seasons to work with his players and has been extremely fortunate with injuries ( or lack of them ). In contrast, Oscar came in with no pre-season to speak of and a horrendous injury list. Let's give him the same time as Mr Dyche has had and then maybe we can make these types of comparison.As for George Graham.........?????
?????
[quote][p][bold]elljam[/bold] wrote: Burnley = Budget (Low) Technical ability (fair/average) Fitness levels (very good) Desire to get forward (very high) Work rate (very high) Apparent motivation from touchline (Very good) Goals scored - 54 Goals conceded - 27 Points - 69 Brighton = Budget (fair) Technical ability (good/very good) Fitness levels (questionable) Desire to get forward (minimal) Apparent motivation from touchline (non-existent) Work rate (poor- possibly due to the above 3 categories) Goals scored - 35 Goals conceded - 28 Points - 50 Make what you want of the above observations, but the stats don't lie. I've been a fan of our passing/possession football over the last few seasons but it now seems to have gone to a whole new level. Ultimately it appears to be about keeping the ball for as long as possible regardless of creating opportunities & possession stats being more important than goals. On Saturday we had free-kicks in the opponents half & 2 touches later the ball was at the feet of Kuszczak'. The reluctance to play the likes of Buckley & LuaLua for longer periods has been put down to injuries but I'm beginning to suspect it's simply because they are not trusted & seen as too high risk for our safety-first football because when taking on opponents they may (heaven forbid) lose the ball. The preference is for players who are technically sound, do not charge up the pitch at the risk of being out of position if the ball is lost & play a sideways/backwards pass to keep hold of that oh so precious football. Believe it or not we are playing in the Championship & not the Champions League, so if you lose the ball you may not have to wait a long time to get it back again. I'm not saying follow the Burnley blueprint but surely trying to add some of their old-fashioned qualities into our game would not be such a bad thing. Surely it's not beneath some of our "thoroughbreds" to bust a gut to get in the box or the play a riskier pass that may lose possession or (you never know) make a goal scoring chance. Give our potentially match-winning players more game time & with the confidence that at the first sign of things not going well they will not be subbed or dropped. Or alternatively we can continue in the direction we are going & bring George Graham out of retirement. Amen[/p][/quote]Sean Dyche has been at the club since 2012 and has almost 2 seasons to work with his players and has been extremely fortunate with injuries ( or lack of them ). In contrast, Oscar came in with no pre-season to speak of and a horrendous injury list. Let's give him the same time as Mr Dyche has had and then maybe we can make these types of comparison.As for George Graham.........????? ????? AlanDuffy
  • Score: 12

6:00pm Mon 10 Mar 14

VegasSeagull says...

There are many on here that have, understandably, been calling for Oscar to send out a settled starting eleven, but the fact is injuries are preventing that. I think it fair t say that the only part of our game that has been consistently good is our defense, but that is one area where we have not had any long term injured and as a result, we have had consistency in selections. Our back four have not suffered from hamstring or CL injuries, and I think that that is down to the one main weakness they all have, lack of pace.

The bulk of our injured players are or have all suffered from injuries that one normally equates to bursts of speed, and or, sudden twists and turns, our back four rarely do any of these things. Wayne Bridge did get forward, he did have some pace, but look what happened to him this season.
Our, stroke the ball about, when playing out of defense has probably saved that unit from serious injury.

Until we can find players that, for the most part, can turn on the power and not fall to injury, we are never going to get a settled front end to our game. Hoskins, CMS, Kaz, Buckley, Orlandi and Crofts, all players that we would look to provide speed and agility, and all players that have suffered from either long term or persistent injuries, and injuries of a similar type.

If you look at the likes of Ince, Andrews, David, Ulloa and more recently Stephens, ankle knocks and the like, have kept them out for a few games, but given their roles, these are the type of injuries one would expect. If you were to add up all the matches that this group of players have missed due to knocks, I doubt that the total is higher than just those missed by Buckley.

I think that come the end of the season, Oscar, the suits and medical team need to re-evaluate every single player based on injuries, forget their talent, durability is the key, no good being a great player if you are out injured when needed, Vicente proved that. The price the club has to pay, in possible lost points along with the monetary side, is too high, it seems to me that some tough decisions need to be made shortly after our season ends.
There are many on here that have, understandably, been calling for Oscar to send out a settled starting eleven, but the fact is injuries are preventing that. I think it fair t say that the only part of our game that has been consistently good is our defense, but that is one area where we have not had any long term injured and as a result, we have had consistency in selections. Our back four have not suffered from hamstring or CL injuries, and I think that that is down to the one main weakness they all have, lack of pace. The bulk of our injured players are or have all suffered from injuries that one normally equates to bursts of speed, and or, sudden twists and turns, our back four rarely do any of these things. Wayne Bridge did get forward, he did have some pace, but look what happened to him this season. Our, stroke the ball about, when playing out of defense has probably saved that unit from serious injury. Until we can find players that, for the most part, can turn on the power and not fall to injury, we are never going to get a settled front end to our game. Hoskins, CMS, Kaz, Buckley, Orlandi and Crofts, all players that we would look to provide speed and agility, and all players that have suffered from either long term or persistent injuries, and injuries of a similar type. If you look at the likes of Ince, Andrews, David, Ulloa and more recently Stephens, ankle knocks and the like, have kept them out for a few games, but given their roles, these are the type of injuries one would expect. If you were to add up all the matches that this group of players have missed due to knocks, I doubt that the total is higher than just those missed by Buckley. I think that come the end of the season, Oscar, the suits and medical team need to re-evaluate every single player based on injuries, forget their talent, durability is the key, no good being a great player if you are out injured when needed, Vicente proved that. The price the club has to pay, in possible lost points along with the monetary side, is too high, it seems to me that some tough decisions need to be made shortly after our season ends. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 6

6:10pm Mon 10 Mar 14

pte says...

jockithenoo wrote:
elljam wrote:
Burnley = Budget (Low)
Technical ability (fair/average)
Fitness levels (very good)
Desire to get forward (very high)
Work rate (very high)
Apparent motivation from touchline (Very good)
Goals scored - 54
Goals conceded - 27
Points - 69

Brighton = Budget (fair)
Technical ability (good/very good)
Fitness levels (questionable)
Desire to get forward (minimal)
Apparent motivation from touchline (non-existent)
Work rate (poor- possibly due to the above 3 categories)
Goals scored - 35
Goals conceded - 28
Points - 50

Make what you want of the above observations, but the stats don't lie.

I've been a fan of our passing/possession football over the last few seasons but it now seems to have gone to a whole new level.
Ultimately it appears to be about keeping the ball for as long as possible regardless of creating opportunities & possession stats being more important than goals. On Saturday we had free-kicks in the opponents half & 2 touches later the ball was at the feet of Kuszczak'.
The reluctance to play the likes of Buckley & LuaLua for longer periods has been put down to injuries but I'm beginning to suspect it's simply because they are not trusted & seen as too high risk for our safety-first football because when taking on opponents they may (heaven forbid) lose the ball.
The preference is for players who are technically sound, do not charge up the pitch at the risk of being out of position if the ball is lost & play a sideways/backwards pass to keep hold of that oh so precious football.
Believe it or not we are playing in the Championship & not the Champions League, so if you lose the ball you may not have to wait a long time to get it back again.
I'm not saying follow the Burnley blueprint but surely trying to add some of their old-fashioned qualities into our game would not be such a bad thing.
Surely it's not beneath some of our "thoroughbreds" to bust a gut to get in the box or the play a riskier pass that may lose possession or (you never know) make a goal scoring chance.
Give our potentially match-winning players more game time & with the confidence that at the first sign of things not going well they will not be subbed or dropped.
Or alternatively we can continue in the direction we are going & bring George Graham out of retirement.

Amen
Some good points
but don't you find when we do have a runner the pass is far late and the player is static by the time he gets the ball ?
We need a bit more vision and give the ball to the attacker when he's running at the defence that's when we can damage opposition defence no defender likes anybody running at them.
UTA
Isn't that down to coaching? The coaches instruct player A to pass to an area of open space which player B is instructed to run into. Is it player B's fault for running too early or player A's fault for passing too late? Lack of sufficient coaching or experience? Or is it there is absolutely no plan at all and the coaches have no idea?
[quote][p][bold]jockithenoo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elljam[/bold] wrote: Burnley = Budget (Low) Technical ability (fair/average) Fitness levels (very good) Desire to get forward (very high) Work rate (very high) Apparent motivation from touchline (Very good) Goals scored - 54 Goals conceded - 27 Points - 69 Brighton = Budget (fair) Technical ability (good/very good) Fitness levels (questionable) Desire to get forward (minimal) Apparent motivation from touchline (non-existent) Work rate (poor- possibly due to the above 3 categories) Goals scored - 35 Goals conceded - 28 Points - 50 Make what you want of the above observations, but the stats don't lie. I've been a fan of our passing/possession football over the last few seasons but it now seems to have gone to a whole new level. Ultimately it appears to be about keeping the ball for as long as possible regardless of creating opportunities & possession stats being more important than goals. On Saturday we had free-kicks in the opponents half & 2 touches later the ball was at the feet of Kuszczak'. The reluctance to play the likes of Buckley & LuaLua for longer periods has been put down to injuries but I'm beginning to suspect it's simply because they are not trusted & seen as too high risk for our safety-first football because when taking on opponents they may (heaven forbid) lose the ball. The preference is for players who are technically sound, do not charge up the pitch at the risk of being out of position if the ball is lost & play a sideways/backwards pass to keep hold of that oh so precious football. Believe it or not we are playing in the Championship & not the Champions League, so if you lose the ball you may not have to wait a long time to get it back again. I'm not saying follow the Burnley blueprint but surely trying to add some of their old-fashioned qualities into our game would not be such a bad thing. Surely it's not beneath some of our "thoroughbreds" to bust a gut to get in the box or the play a riskier pass that may lose possession or (you never know) make a goal scoring chance. Give our potentially match-winning players more game time & with the confidence that at the first sign of things not going well they will not be subbed or dropped. Or alternatively we can continue in the direction we are going & bring George Graham out of retirement. Amen[/p][/quote]Some good points but don't you find when we do have a runner the pass is far late and the player is static by the time he gets the ball ? We need a bit more vision and give the ball to the attacker when he's running at the defence that's when we can damage opposition defence no defender likes anybody running at them. UTA[/p][/quote]Isn't that down to coaching? The coaches instruct player A to pass to an area of open space which player B is instructed to run into. Is it player B's fault for running too early or player A's fault for passing too late? Lack of sufficient coaching or experience? Or is it there is absolutely no plan at all and the coaches have no idea? pte
  • Score: -3

6:18pm Mon 10 Mar 14

dave from bexill says...

russellsnr2 wrote:
VegasSeagull!!
Off topic, Did you find the game live on Saturday all the ones I tried either wanted pay as view or just didn't have anything showing and cannot see it advertised for tomorrow and thought a game like this would be there!!!
Yes, you wouldn't want to have to pay to watch your team on pay per view would you!
[quote][p][bold]russellsnr2[/bold] wrote: VegasSeagull!! Off topic, Did you find the game live on Saturday all the ones I tried either wanted pay as view or just didn't have anything showing and cannot see it advertised for tomorrow and thought a game like this would be there!!![/p][/quote]Yes, you wouldn't want to have to pay to watch your team on pay per view would you! dave from bexill
  • Score: 2

6:22pm Mon 10 Mar 14

barnieb says...

Buckley is a bit Bambi like,reminds me of Darren Anderton ,the original 'sick note'.He is due a big performance for the Albion, lets hope its against QPR
Buckley is a bit Bambi like,reminds me of Darren Anderton ,the original 'sick note'.He is due a big performance for the Albion, lets hope its against QPR barnieb
  • Score: 2

6:51pm Mon 10 Mar 14

VegasSeagull says...

dave from bexill wrote:
russellsnr2 wrote:
VegasSeagull!!
Off topic, Did you find the game live on Saturday all the ones I tried either wanted pay as view or just didn't have anything showing and cannot see it advertised for tomorrow and thought a game like this would be there!!!
Yes, you wouldn't want to have to pay to watch your team on pay per view would you!
You can't opt to watch the team by pay per view, it is not a service that is on offer. When anyone watches via a PC it's because a television company from the UK is broadcasting the game. It might be that depending on what country you are in, you may have to buy the soccer package to enable you to watch, again when the match is being televised in the UK.
I get one channel for free which shows a Champ Div match each week, it also was showing a few FA Cup matches. My soccer package, which I pay for, covers Prem Div matches and internationals. The bummer of that is we now have free to watch channels that cover the prem games too, so I will dump my pay channels at the end of the season.
Maybe when he mentioned, 'pay per view,' he was talking of a soccer package much the same as I have.
[quote][p][bold]dave from bexill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]russellsnr2[/bold] wrote: VegasSeagull!! Off topic, Did you find the game live on Saturday all the ones I tried either wanted pay as view or just didn't have anything showing and cannot see it advertised for tomorrow and thought a game like this would be there!!![/p][/quote]Yes, you wouldn't want to have to pay to watch your team on pay per view would you![/p][/quote]You can't opt to watch the team by pay per view, it is not a service that is on offer. When anyone watches via a PC it's because a television company from the UK is broadcasting the game. It might be that depending on what country you are in, you may have to buy the soccer package to enable you to watch, again when the match is being televised in the UK. I get one channel for free which shows a Champ Div match each week, it also was showing a few FA Cup matches. My soccer package, which I pay for, covers Prem Div matches and internationals. The bummer of that is we now have free to watch channels that cover the prem games too, so I will dump my pay channels at the end of the season. Maybe when he mentioned, 'pay per view,' he was talking of a soccer package much the same as I have. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 1

7:00pm Mon 10 Mar 14

bruce beckett says...

Two good points raised here by Vegas and MBTS. I agree that one of the main reasons why we have been so solid defensively this season is that this has been one of the areas least affected by injuries. Not only that but we've had ready-made replacements in Calderon, El Abd and, more recently, Dunk.

For me, the midfield is far and away our biggest weakness. I think the Crofts injury has cost us both points and momentum. He was the only one, other than Ulloa, who could regularly put the ball in the back of the net.

Too many of our guys seem to be asked to protect the back four rather than support the attack. We're still desperately lacking a creative playmaker. I guess Augustine was brought in to be that player but he's turned out to be a massive bust. Stephens hasn't exactly made the impact we were hoping for either.

Had Buckley been fit, he might have been able to provide Ulloa with a bit more support (as demonstrated by the goal we scored against Hull).

We seem to have a lot of midfielders on the books but none – apart from Crofts perhaps – who can actually change a game.
Two good points raised here by Vegas and MBTS. I agree that one of the main reasons why we have been so solid defensively this season is that this has been one of the areas least affected by injuries. Not only that but we've had ready-made replacements in Calderon, El Abd and, more recently, Dunk. For me, the midfield is far and away our biggest weakness. I think the Crofts injury has cost us both points and momentum. He was the only one, other than Ulloa, who could regularly put the ball in the back of the net. Too many of our guys seem to be asked to protect the back four rather than support the attack. We're still desperately lacking a creative playmaker. I guess Augustine was brought in to be that player but he's turned out to be a massive bust. Stephens hasn't exactly made the impact we were hoping for either. Had Buckley been fit, he might have been able to provide Ulloa with a bit more support (as demonstrated by the goal we scored against Hull). We seem to have a lot of midfielders on the books but none – apart from Crofts perhaps – who can actually change a game. bruce beckett
  • Score: -3

7:11pm Mon 10 Mar 14

VegasSeagull says...

bruce beckett wrote:
Two good points raised here by Vegas and MBTS. I agree that one of the main reasons why we have been so solid defensively this season is that this has been one of the areas least affected by injuries. Not only that but we've had ready-made replacements in Calderon, El Abd and, more recently, Dunk.

For me, the midfield is far and away our biggest weakness. I think the Crofts injury has cost us both points and momentum. He was the only one, other than Ulloa, who could regularly put the ball in the back of the net.

Too many of our guys seem to be asked to protect the back four rather than support the attack. We're still desperately lacking a creative playmaker. I guess Augustine was brought in to be that player but he's turned out to be a massive bust. Stephens hasn't exactly made the impact we were hoping for either.

Had Buckley been fit, he might have been able to provide Ulloa with a bit more support (as demonstrated by the goal we scored against Hull).

We seem to have a lot of midfielders on the books but none – apart from Crofts perhaps – who can actually change a game.
Bruce you are right, Crofts could change a game in a heart beat, but Orlandi, whilst not hitting the back of the net, is still influential and missed, he is the nearest thing to a play maker we have in midfield, with Crofts being more of an attacking midfielder. I think that we have the cover for short term injuries, take Crofts out for two matches, Orlandi covers for Crofts and JFC comes in, we could deal with a couple of matches. Now take both Crofts and Orlandi out and Buckley, we are looking to Solly, Jfc David, and that too is ok for a couple of games, but not for half the season.
[quote][p][bold]bruce beckett[/bold] wrote: Two good points raised here by Vegas and MBTS. I agree that one of the main reasons why we have been so solid defensively this season is that this has been one of the areas least affected by injuries. Not only that but we've had ready-made replacements in Calderon, El Abd and, more recently, Dunk. For me, the midfield is far and away our biggest weakness. I think the Crofts injury has cost us both points and momentum. He was the only one, other than Ulloa, who could regularly put the ball in the back of the net. Too many of our guys seem to be asked to protect the back four rather than support the attack. We're still desperately lacking a creative playmaker. I guess Augustine was brought in to be that player but he's turned out to be a massive bust. Stephens hasn't exactly made the impact we were hoping for either. Had Buckley been fit, he might have been able to provide Ulloa with a bit more support (as demonstrated by the goal we scored against Hull). We seem to have a lot of midfielders on the books but none – apart from Crofts perhaps – who can actually change a game.[/p][/quote]Bruce you are right, Crofts could change a game in a heart beat, but Orlandi, whilst not hitting the back of the net, is still influential and missed, he is the nearest thing to a play maker we have in midfield, with Crofts being more of an attacking midfielder. I think that we have the cover for short term injuries, take Crofts out for two matches, Orlandi covers for Crofts and JFC comes in, we could deal with a couple of matches. Now take both Crofts and Orlandi out and Buckley, we are looking to Solly, Jfc David, and that too is ok for a couple of games, but not for half the season. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 5

7:38pm Mon 10 Mar 14

elljam says...

Neville wrote:
elljam,
yes fair post and the other big difference is Burnley play 2 strikers up front within close proximity of each other,need I say more
I happened to see the 1st half of their match against Blackburn & noticed that they had at least 4 players in the box every time a cross came in. Might also help explain the big difference in goals scored
[quote][p][bold]Neville[/bold] wrote: elljam, yes fair post and the other big difference is Burnley play 2 strikers up front within close proximity of each other,need I say more[/p][/quote]I happened to see the 1st half of their match against Blackburn & noticed that they had at least 4 players in the box every time a cross came in. Might also help explain the big difference in goals scored elljam
  • Score: 4

7:41pm Mon 10 Mar 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

In addition to what Vegas says, I think it's way too early to judge Stephens. He's at a new club and has yet to have a run in the side.
In addition to what Vegas says, I think it's way too early to judge Stephens. He's at a new club and has yet to have a run in the side. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 6

7:53pm Mon 10 Mar 14

elljam says...

AlanDuffy wrote:
elljam wrote:
Burnley = Budget (Low)
Technical ability (fair/average)
Fitness levels (very good)
Desire to get forward (very high)
Work rate (very high)
Apparent motivation from touchline (Very good)
Goals scored - 54
Goals conceded - 27
Points - 69

Brighton = Budget (fair)
Technical ability (good/very good)
Fitness levels (questionable)
Desire to get forward (minimal)
Apparent motivation from touchline (non-existent)
Work rate (poor- possibly due to the above 3 categories)
Goals scored - 35
Goals conceded - 28
Points - 50

Make what you want of the above observations, but the stats don't lie.

I've been a fan of our passing/possession football over the last few seasons but it now seems to have gone to a whole new level.
Ultimately it appears to be about keeping the ball for as long as possible regardless of creating opportunities & possession stats being more important than goals. On Saturday we had free-kicks in the opponents half & 2 touches later the ball was at the feet of Kuszczak'.
The reluctance to play the likes of Buckley & LuaLua for longer periods has been put down to injuries but I'm beginning to suspect it's simply because they are not trusted & seen as too high risk for our safety-first football because when taking on opponents they may (heaven forbid) lose the ball.
The preference is for players who are technically sound, do not charge up the pitch at the risk of being out of position if the ball is lost & play a sideways/backwards pass to keep hold of that oh so precious football.
Believe it or not we are playing in the Championship & not the Champions League, so if you lose the ball you may not have to wait a long time to get it back again.
I'm not saying follow the Burnley blueprint but surely trying to add some of their old-fashioned qualities into our game would not be such a bad thing.
Surely it's not beneath some of our "thoroughbreds" to bust a gut to get in the box or the play a riskier pass that may lose possession or (you never know) make a goal scoring chance.
Give our potentially match-winning players more game time & with the confidence that at the first sign of things not going well they will not be subbed or dropped.
Or alternatively we can continue in the direction we are going & bring George Graham out of retirement.

Amen
Sean Dyche has been at the club since 2012 and has almost 2 seasons to work with his players and has been extremely fortunate with injuries ( or lack of them ). In contrast, Oscar came in with no pre-season to speak of and a horrendous injury list. Let's give him the same time as Mr Dyche has had and then maybe we can make these types of comparison.As for George Graham.........?????

?????
Regardless that shouldn't stop players taking a few more risks when going forward & making those extra yards to get in the box or to make some positive passes
I appreciate that Burnley have been a lot more fortunate with injuries but we have a bigger & better squad than them & even when we are close to full strength that negative mindset prevails more often than not.

I've said on previous posts that our extremely deep defending hampers our midfielders ability to get further forward & the back 4 have largely been injury free all season. Why has Oscar allowed this to continue.

The George Graham quote is relevant because although our style of play is different to his Arsenal teams, the safety first approach isn't.
[quote][p][bold]AlanDuffy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elljam[/bold] wrote: Burnley = Budget (Low) Technical ability (fair/average) Fitness levels (very good) Desire to get forward (very high) Work rate (very high) Apparent motivation from touchline (Very good) Goals scored - 54 Goals conceded - 27 Points - 69 Brighton = Budget (fair) Technical ability (good/very good) Fitness levels (questionable) Desire to get forward (minimal) Apparent motivation from touchline (non-existent) Work rate (poor- possibly due to the above 3 categories) Goals scored - 35 Goals conceded - 28 Points - 50 Make what you want of the above observations, but the stats don't lie. I've been a fan of our passing/possession football over the last few seasons but it now seems to have gone to a whole new level. Ultimately it appears to be about keeping the ball for as long as possible regardless of creating opportunities & possession stats being more important than goals. On Saturday we had free-kicks in the opponents half & 2 touches later the ball was at the feet of Kuszczak'. The reluctance to play the likes of Buckley & LuaLua for longer periods has been put down to injuries but I'm beginning to suspect it's simply because they are not trusted & seen as too high risk for our safety-first football because when taking on opponents they may (heaven forbid) lose the ball. The preference is for players who are technically sound, do not charge up the pitch at the risk of being out of position if the ball is lost & play a sideways/backwards pass to keep hold of that oh so precious football. Believe it or not we are playing in the Championship & not the Champions League, so if you lose the ball you may not have to wait a long time to get it back again. I'm not saying follow the Burnley blueprint but surely trying to add some of their old-fashioned qualities into our game would not be such a bad thing. Surely it's not beneath some of our "thoroughbreds" to bust a gut to get in the box or the play a riskier pass that may lose possession or (you never know) make a goal scoring chance. Give our potentially match-winning players more game time & with the confidence that at the first sign of things not going well they will not be subbed or dropped. Or alternatively we can continue in the direction we are going & bring George Graham out of retirement. Amen[/p][/quote]Sean Dyche has been at the club since 2012 and has almost 2 seasons to work with his players and has been extremely fortunate with injuries ( or lack of them ). In contrast, Oscar came in with no pre-season to speak of and a horrendous injury list. Let's give him the same time as Mr Dyche has had and then maybe we can make these types of comparison.As for George Graham.........????? ?????[/p][/quote]Regardless that shouldn't stop players taking a few more risks when going forward & making those extra yards to get in the box or to make some positive passes I appreciate that Burnley have been a lot more fortunate with injuries but we have a bigger & better squad than them & even when we are close to full strength that negative mindset prevails more often than not. I've said on previous posts that our extremely deep defending hampers our midfielders ability to get further forward & the back 4 have largely been injury free all season. Why has Oscar allowed this to continue. The George Graham quote is relevant because although our style of play is different to his Arsenal teams, the safety first approach isn't. elljam
  • Score: 3

8:00pm Mon 10 Mar 14

gordongull says...

Losing tomorrow would be good, as long as we were trying for a win.
The ten year average for 6th place is 73 points, so win 8 and lose 5 gives us a good chance.
Leicester did it last year on 68, so win 6 and lose 7 could be enough.
The change in emphasis required to achieve these figures could be too much of a culture shock to our coaching team, but Will Buckley, if he is back to 100% increases our chances considerably.
If we prioritize not losing, we are likely to finish on 63, which is clearly not an option.
Losing tomorrow would be good, as long as we were trying for a win. The ten year average for 6th place is 73 points, so win 8 and lose 5 gives us a good chance. Leicester did it last year on 68, so win 6 and lose 7 could be enough. The change in emphasis required to achieve these figures could be too much of a culture shock to our coaching team, but Will Buckley, if he is back to 100% increases our chances considerably. If we prioritize not losing, we are likely to finish on 63, which is clearly not an option. gordongull
  • Score: 2

8:44pm Mon 10 Mar 14

mark by the sea says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
In addition to what Vegas says, I think it's way too early to judge Stephens. He's at a new club and has yet to have a run in the side.
Absolutely agree Arnie , crofts was very poor last season, and a revelation this, too many people make snap decisions ... He will come good once he finds his role.
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: In addition to what Vegas says, I think it's way too early to judge Stephens. He's at a new club and has yet to have a run in the side.[/p][/quote]Absolutely agree Arnie , crofts was very poor last season, and a revelation this, too many people make snap decisions ... He will come good once he finds his role. mark by the sea
  • Score: 2

9:31pm Mon 10 Mar 14

Gee Jay says...

gordongull wrote:
Losing tomorrow would be good, as long as we were trying for a win. The ten year average for 6th place is 73 points, so win 8 and lose 5 gives us a good chance. Leicester did it last year on 68, so win 6 and lose 7 could be enough. The change in emphasis required to achieve these figures could be too much of a culture shock to our coaching team, but Will Buckley, if he is back to 100% increases our chances considerably. If we prioritize not losing, we are likely to finish on 63, which is clearly not an option.
You really should get out more.
[quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: Losing tomorrow would be good, as long as we were trying for a win. The ten year average for 6th place is 73 points, so win 8 and lose 5 gives us a good chance. Leicester did it last year on 68, so win 6 and lose 7 could be enough. The change in emphasis required to achieve these figures could be too much of a culture shock to our coaching team, but Will Buckley, if he is back to 100% increases our chances considerably. If we prioritize not losing, we are likely to finish on 63, which is clearly not an option.[/p][/quote]You really should get out more. Gee Jay
  • Score: -2

10:16pm Mon 10 Mar 14

gordongull says...

Gee Jay wrote:
gordongull wrote:
Losing tomorrow would be good, as long as we were trying for a win. The ten year average for 6th place is 73 points, so win 8 and lose 5 gives us a good chance. Leicester did it last year on 68, so win 6 and lose 7 could be enough. The change in emphasis required to achieve these figures could be too much of a culture shock to our coaching team, but Will Buckley, if he is back to 100% increases our chances considerably. If we prioritize not losing, we are likely to finish on 63, which is clearly not an option.
You really should get out more.
Ok - If we play to win, we can afford to lose a few.
If we play not to lose, we will not get the points we need.
Is that any better?
[quote][p][bold]Gee Jay[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: Losing tomorrow would be good, as long as we were trying for a win. The ten year average for 6th place is 73 points, so win 8 and lose 5 gives us a good chance. Leicester did it last year on 68, so win 6 and lose 7 could be enough. The change in emphasis required to achieve these figures could be too much of a culture shock to our coaching team, but Will Buckley, if he is back to 100% increases our chances considerably. If we prioritize not losing, we are likely to finish on 63, which is clearly not an option.[/p][/quote]You really should get out more.[/p][/quote]Ok - If we play to win, we can afford to lose a few. If we play not to lose, we will not get the points we need. Is that any better? gordongull
  • Score: 1

10:32pm Mon 10 Mar 14

ballantrrae says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Gee Jay wrote:
Let's give this overspending West London lot something to think about tomorrow night!
UTA
the meaning of life, the cosmos and the big bang theory, or, will CMS feature, I think he might.
Not tomorrow Vegas against QPR. Hoskins seems further down the recovery road than CMS.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gee Jay[/bold] wrote: Let's give this overspending West London lot something to think about tomorrow night! UTA[/p][/quote]the meaning of life, the cosmos and the big bang theory, or, will CMS feature, I think he might.[/p][/quote]Not tomorrow Vegas against QPR. Hoskins seems further down the recovery road than CMS. ballantrrae
  • Score: 1

11:45pm Mon 10 Mar 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
In addition to what Vegas says, I think it's way too early to judge Stephens. He's at a new club and has yet to have a run in the side.
Absolutely agree Arnie , crofts was very poor last season, and a revelation this, too many people make snap decisions ... He will come good once he finds his role.
I prefer it when we agree... ;-)

Crofts's transformation was incredible, from plodder to leader.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: In addition to what Vegas says, I think it's way too early to judge Stephens. He's at a new club and has yet to have a run in the side.[/p][/quote]Absolutely agree Arnie , crofts was very poor last season, and a revelation this, too many people make snap decisions ... He will come good once he finds his role.[/p][/quote]I prefer it when we agree... ;-) Crofts's transformation was incredible, from plodder to leader. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 4

7:45am Tue 11 Mar 14

dave from bexill says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
dave from bexill wrote:
russellsnr2 wrote:
VegasSeagull!!
Off topic, Did you find the game live on Saturday all the ones I tried either wanted pay as view or just didn't have anything showing and cannot see it advertised for tomorrow and thought a game like this would be there!!!
Yes, you wouldn't want to have to pay to watch your team on pay per view would you!
You can't opt to watch the team by pay per view, it is not a service that is on offer. When anyone watches via a PC it's because a television company from the UK is broadcasting the game. It might be that depending on what country you are in, you may have to buy the soccer package to enable you to watch, again when the match is being televised in the UK.
I get one channel for free which shows a Champ Div match each week, it also was showing a few FA Cup matches. My soccer package, which I pay for, covers Prem Div matches and internationals. The bummer of that is we now have free to watch channels that cover the prem games too, so I will dump my pay channels at the end of the season.
Maybe when he mentioned, 'pay per view,' he was talking of a soccer package much the same as I have.
Point taken Vegas
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dave from bexill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]russellsnr2[/bold] wrote: VegasSeagull!! Off topic, Did you find the game live on Saturday all the ones I tried either wanted pay as view or just didn't have anything showing and cannot see it advertised for tomorrow and thought a game like this would be there!!![/p][/quote]Yes, you wouldn't want to have to pay to watch your team on pay per view would you![/p][/quote]You can't opt to watch the team by pay per view, it is not a service that is on offer. When anyone watches via a PC it's because a television company from the UK is broadcasting the game. It might be that depending on what country you are in, you may have to buy the soccer package to enable you to watch, again when the match is being televised in the UK. I get one channel for free which shows a Champ Div match each week, it also was showing a few FA Cup matches. My soccer package, which I pay for, covers Prem Div matches and internationals. The bummer of that is we now have free to watch channels that cover the prem games too, so I will dump my pay channels at the end of the season. Maybe when he mentioned, 'pay per view,' he was talking of a soccer package much the same as I have.[/p][/quote]Point taken Vegas dave from bexill
  • Score: 0

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