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Oscar rues lack of options in attack

The Argus: Will Buckley is denied as Albion drew a blank at Wednesday Will Buckley is denied as Albion drew a blank at Wednesday

Albion boss Oscar Garcia has lamented his lack of striker options.

Illness ruled Leo Ulloa out of last night’s last-gasp 1-0 defeat at Sheffield Wednesday.

Oscar brought in January signing David Rodriguez on the left wing and played Jesse Lingard, on loan from Manchester United at centre forward.

The head coach said after seeing his side lose to a late Leon Best strike: “We were better than them and deserved to win but when you have only one proper striker, one proper goalscorer and he was ill it’s harder to score.

“When we have only one striker then we had to try something different but it’s a problem we have been managing for a long time. We have been crossing our fingers with Leo before not to get injured but it’s a big problem.”

Oscar does not hold out any hope of signing another striker before the loan transfer window shuts at 5pm tomorrow. He also does not regard long-term injury victims Will Hoskins and Craig Mackail-Smith as the answer.

He told The Argus: “For a long time I wanted more strikers but it wasn’t possible. We have to try to do better in front of goal with the players we have. It’s difficult now, it’s too late. “Now Hoskins is injured, they haven’t played for a long time, Mackail-Smith is playing his first minutes with the development squad but we have only nine games left.”

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6:25am Wed 26 Mar 14

Alfie T says...

This is the most animated I've heard Oscar, feel his frustration. You can't make a silk purse from a sow's ear.
This is the most animated I've heard Oscar, feel his frustration. You can't make a silk purse from a sow's ear. Alfie T
  • Score: 9

6:26am Wed 26 Mar 14

Albion In Staffs says...

Hmmm..
For me this is the first suggestion of dissatisfaction from OG and a gentle shift of blame for the current predicament. A classic case of The Coach attempting to send a coded message that he's as hacked off as the rest of us. It'll be interesting to see where - and how - it ends.
Many have debated the current set up regarding player signings, but it seems OG has opened the door on suggestions that he's not happy.
Is he feeling the same way Gus did?
Hmmm.. For me this is the first suggestion of dissatisfaction from OG and a gentle shift of blame for the current predicament. A classic case of The Coach attempting to send a coded message that he's as hacked off as the rest of us. It'll be interesting to see where - and how - it ends. Many have debated the current set up regarding player signings, but it seems OG has opened the door on suggestions that he's not happy. Is he feeling the same way Gus did? Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 16

6:28am Wed 26 Mar 14

Far gull says...

This is a formation issue not lack of strikers Oscar. Am annoyed at this comment . Stop playing two defensive midfielders. You are not learning! Start with two wingers not one. Season all but over now so why worry. You will probably try it now.
The problem you have been struggling with all season.... Is of your own making. Yes injuries have not helped and poor transfer window activity( not all your fault)
Summer holidays bekon. Perhaps it is time for club to offer longer contracts too our best players while we are at it ,it may tempt them to stay and encourage them to help us get promoted.
This is a formation issue not lack of strikers Oscar. Am annoyed at this comment . Stop playing two defensive midfielders. You are not learning! Start with two wingers not one. Season all but over now so why worry. You will probably try it now. The problem you have been struggling with all season.... Is of your own making. Yes injuries have not helped and poor transfer window activity( not all your fault) Summer holidays bekon. Perhaps it is time for club to offer longer contracts too our best players while we are at it ,it may tempt them to stay and encourage them to help us get promoted. Far gull
  • Score: 11

6:36am Wed 26 Mar 14

Albion In Staffs says...

Far gull wrote:
This is a formation issue not lack of strikers Oscar. Am annoyed at this comment . Stop playing two defensive midfielders. You are not learning! Start with two wingers not one. Season all but over now so why worry. You will probably try it now.
The problem you have been struggling with all season.... Is of your own making. Yes injuries have not helped and poor transfer window activity( not all your fault)
Summer holidays bekon. Perhaps it is time for club to offer longer contracts too our best players while we are at it ,it may tempt them to stay and encourage them to help us get promoted.
Don't agree at all. There are teams all over the country - at all levels who play in the same way we do and with greater effect, but people get to hung up on formations. It's about players not formations and ours as a squad, are not good enough.
[quote][p][bold]Far gull[/bold] wrote: This is a formation issue not lack of strikers Oscar. Am annoyed at this comment . Stop playing two defensive midfielders. You are not learning! Start with two wingers not one. Season all but over now so why worry. You will probably try it now. The problem you have been struggling with all season.... Is of your own making. Yes injuries have not helped and poor transfer window activity( not all your fault) Summer holidays bekon. Perhaps it is time for club to offer longer contracts too our best players while we are at it ,it may tempt them to stay and encourage them to help us get promoted.[/p][/quote]Don't agree at all. There are teams all over the country - at all levels who play in the same way we do and with greater effect, but people get to hung up on formations. It's about players not formations and ours as a squad, are not good enough. Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 16

6:55am Wed 26 Mar 14

Eddy B says...

It's not like we haven't tried alot of strikers - it is just they haven't been very good or they haven't played (can't say we actually tried many of them as most had very few game minutes). Even when Ulloa was out injured we persevered with Barnes only despite having several loanees in reserve (i'm not one that bemoans his departure). This season we've had Lita, Obika, Rodriguez, Conway and Lingard. Anyone else I've forgotten? Didn't we also have Agdestein and Barker for some of the time too? Obviously Hoskins and CMS are on the books but injured so fair enough.

Instead of bringing in 2nd rate temporary stop gaps I'd like to see us pushing the boat out in the summer to buy a class proven second goalscorer preferably to play with Ulloa (I think it is probably too risky to rely on CMS and Hoskins - good players in their time but may not be the same again and didn't hit the net that regularly anyway).

Added to that it is painfully obvious we need more creativity and goalscoring from midfield (and i'm not really thinking Crofts here guys, i know he has alot of fans but not sure he's the one for this role - or Orlandi maybe - possibly but obviously an injury worry). We also will need cover for Upson and Greer soon so that's 3 major signings. I think that's worth a bit of speculation in the face of FFP.
It's not like we haven't tried alot of strikers - it is just they haven't been very good or they haven't played (can't say we actually tried many of them as most had very few game minutes). Even when Ulloa was out injured we persevered with Barnes only despite having several loanees in reserve (i'm not one that bemoans his departure). This season we've had Lita, Obika, Rodriguez, Conway and Lingard. Anyone else I've forgotten? Didn't we also have Agdestein and Barker for some of the time too? Obviously Hoskins and CMS are on the books but injured so fair enough. Instead of bringing in 2nd rate temporary stop gaps I'd like to see us pushing the boat out in the summer to buy a class proven second goalscorer preferably to play with Ulloa (I think it is probably too risky to rely on CMS and Hoskins - good players in their time but may not be the same again and didn't hit the net that regularly anyway). Added to that it is painfully obvious we need more creativity and goalscoring from midfield (and i'm not really thinking Crofts here guys, i know he has alot of fans but not sure he's the one for this role - or Orlandi maybe - possibly but obviously an injury worry). We also will need cover for Upson and Greer soon so that's 3 major signings. I think that's worth a bit of speculation in the face of FFP. Eddy B
  • Score: 20

6:59am Wed 26 Mar 14

russellsnr2 says...

At the end of the day it's putting the ball in the net and we just don't seem to be able to do it regularly. Brought on LuaLua with 15 minutes to go and the statement on Seagulls player was that the last thing Wednesday's backs wanted to see was him running at them, sorry but if I was in that back line up I would be thinking 'only 15 minutes to stop him getting pass me'!!
Now 30 or 40 minutes I would be worried but 15 I can handle it.
How many games has Jesse Lingard and David Rodriguez played for us now?
Both him and David Rodriguez don't seem to no where the net is.
Think that Mr Burke and others need to hold there hands up and say we made a mistake we should have been prepared to splash the cash for a quality striker during the window to back up Leo.
Just my opinion and thumbs down I don't care!!!! just very, very disappointed to loose a game that with that back up striker we probably would have won.
At the end of the day it's putting the ball in the net and we just don't seem to be able to do it regularly. Brought on LuaLua with 15 minutes to go and the statement on Seagulls player was that the last thing Wednesday's backs wanted to see was him running at them, sorry but if I was in that back line up I would be thinking 'only 15 minutes to stop him getting pass me'!! Now 30 or 40 minutes I would be worried but 15 I can handle it. How many games has Jesse Lingard and David Rodriguez played for us now? Both him and David Rodriguez don't seem to no where the net is. Think that Mr Burke and others need to hold there hands up and say we made a mistake we should have been prepared to splash the cash for a quality striker during the window to back up Leo. Just my opinion and thumbs down I don't care!!!! just very, very disappointed to loose a game that with that back up striker we probably would have won. russellsnr2
  • Score: 23

7:08am Wed 26 Mar 14

Alfie T says...

Albion In Staffs wrote:
Far gull wrote:
This is a formation issue not lack of strikers Oscar. Am annoyed at this comment . Stop playing two defensive midfielders. You are not learning! Start with two wingers not one. Season all but over now so why worry. You will probably try it now.
The problem you have been struggling with all season.... Is of your own making. Yes injuries have not helped and poor transfer window activity( not all your fault)
Summer holidays bekon. Perhaps it is time for club to offer longer contracts too our best players while we are at it ,it may tempt them to stay and encourage them to help us get promoted.
Don't agree at all. There are teams all over the country - at all levels who play in the same way we do and with greater effect, but people get to hung up on formations. It's about players not formations and ours as a squad, are not good enough.
Agree, had Buckley converted one of his two chances, then we would be discussing a great win or a well earned point. Wednesday are a form team, I would have taken a point before kick off.
[quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Far gull[/bold] wrote: This is a formation issue not lack of strikers Oscar. Am annoyed at this comment . Stop playing two defensive midfielders. You are not learning! Start with two wingers not one. Season all but over now so why worry. You will probably try it now. The problem you have been struggling with all season.... Is of your own making. Yes injuries have not helped and poor transfer window activity( not all your fault) Summer holidays bekon. Perhaps it is time for club to offer longer contracts too our best players while we are at it ,it may tempt them to stay and encourage them to help us get promoted.[/p][/quote]Don't agree at all. There are teams all over the country - at all levels who play in the same way we do and with greater effect, but people get to hung up on formations. It's about players not formations and ours as a squad, are not good enough.[/p][/quote]Agree, had Buckley converted one of his two chances, then we would be discussing a great win or a well earned point. Wednesday are a form team, I would have taken a point before kick off. Alfie T
  • Score: 1

7:08am Wed 26 Mar 14

Far gull says...

Albion In Staffs wrote:
Far gull wrote:
This is a formation issue not lack of strikers Oscar. Am annoyed at this comment . Stop playing two defensive midfielders. You are not learning! Start with two wingers not one. Season all but over now so why worry. You will probably try it now.
The problem you have been struggling with all season.... Is of your own making. Yes injuries have not helped and poor transfer window activity( not all your fault)
Summer holidays bekon. Perhaps it is time for club to offer longer contracts too our best players while we are at it ,it may tempt them to stay and encourage them to help us get promoted.
Don't agree at all. There are teams all over the country - at all levels who play in the same way we do and with greater effect, but people get to hung up on formations. It's about players not formations and ours as a squad, are not good enough.
Eddy B in his post after yours does address some of these issues. Yes other clubs play the system. Barca for instance. With players faster more mobile and of a better quality than ours. Motes tried it last night and Scholes said it was not attacking enough from the start for a Man utd team. Net result they lost. Sunderland under Gus not exactly ,even with our very own Bridcutt not exactly out of trouble playing this system.
Sorry beg to differ from you on this occasion. Actually sounds like we were the better side again last night. That's been a problem for the last two seasons in this system cms was frustrated in the same manner as Leo is now. Drogba the only player I have ever seen play the lone striker role effectively and at 36 he struggled for Galatasery the other night,not surprisingly.
[quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Far gull[/bold] wrote: This is a formation issue not lack of strikers Oscar. Am annoyed at this comment . Stop playing two defensive midfielders. You are not learning! Start with two wingers not one. Season all but over now so why worry. You will probably try it now. The problem you have been struggling with all season.... Is of your own making. Yes injuries have not helped and poor transfer window activity( not all your fault) Summer holidays bekon. Perhaps it is time for club to offer longer contracts too our best players while we are at it ,it may tempt them to stay and encourage them to help us get promoted.[/p][/quote]Don't agree at all. There are teams all over the country - at all levels who play in the same way we do and with greater effect, but people get to hung up on formations. It's about players not formations and ours as a squad, are not good enough.[/p][/quote]Eddy B in his post after yours does address some of these issues. Yes other clubs play the system. Barca for instance. With players faster more mobile and of a better quality than ours. Motes tried it last night and Scholes said it was not attacking enough from the start for a Man utd team. Net result they lost. Sunderland under Gus not exactly ,even with our very own Bridcutt not exactly out of trouble playing this system. Sorry beg to differ from you on this occasion. Actually sounds like we were the better side again last night. That's been a problem for the last two seasons in this system cms was frustrated in the same manner as Leo is now. Drogba the only player I have ever seen play the lone striker role effectively and at 36 he struggled for Galatasery the other night,not surprisingly. Far gull
  • Score: 8

7:25am Wed 26 Mar 14

Albion In Staffs says...

Far gull wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
Far gull wrote:
This is a formation issue not lack of strikers Oscar. Am annoyed at this comment . Stop playing two defensive midfielders. You are not learning! Start with two wingers not one. Season all but over now so why worry. You will probably try it now.
The problem you have been struggling with all season.... Is of your own making. Yes injuries have not helped and poor transfer window activity( not all your fault)
Summer holidays bekon. Perhaps it is time for club to offer longer contracts too our best players while we are at it ,it may tempt them to stay and encourage them to help us get promoted.
Don't agree at all. There are teams all over the country - at all levels who play in the same way we do and with greater effect, but people get to hung up on formations. It's about players not formations and ours as a squad, are not good enough.
Eddy B in his post after yours does address some of these issues. Yes other clubs play the system. Barca for instance. With players faster more mobile and of a better quality than ours. Motes tried it last night and Scholes said it was not attacking enough from the start for a Man utd team. Net result they lost. Sunderland under Gus not exactly ,even with our very own Bridcutt not exactly out of trouble playing this system.
Sorry beg to differ from you on this occasion. Actually sounds like we were the better side again last night. That's been a problem for the last two seasons in this system cms was frustrated in the same manner as Leo is now. Drogba the only player I have ever seen play the lone striker role effectively and at 36 he struggled for Galatasery the other night,not surprisingly.
Yep, it's clearly all about opinion but I just think supporters get too hung up on standardising everything and giving people and tactics 'boxes'.
For instance, there's a feeling that Keith Andrews is a defensive selection and OG get's criticised repeatedly for that. But in one of the few matches I've seen this season, the one player who was getting forward in support, as much, if not more than any other, was Andrews. So the fact we're not being successful is possibly a reflection on the personnel rather than the tactic? If we had the right squad, the tactics would be interchangeable and the players adaptable. In both instances, they aren't.
My long held view is we have a team that's as good as almost anyone in the division, but a distinctly average squad and with the injuries we keep getting, our 'team' doesn't play regularly enough.
From this article, I just think OG is finally attempting to move the focus of attention onto those making the ultimate decisions on incomings. As a group, the players aren't good enough and he's not happy.
[quote][p][bold]Far gull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Far gull[/bold] wrote: This is a formation issue not lack of strikers Oscar. Am annoyed at this comment . Stop playing two defensive midfielders. You are not learning! Start with two wingers not one. Season all but over now so why worry. You will probably try it now. The problem you have been struggling with all season.... Is of your own making. Yes injuries have not helped and poor transfer window activity( not all your fault) Summer holidays bekon. Perhaps it is time for club to offer longer contracts too our best players while we are at it ,it may tempt them to stay and encourage them to help us get promoted.[/p][/quote]Don't agree at all. There are teams all over the country - at all levels who play in the same way we do and with greater effect, but people get to hung up on formations. It's about players not formations and ours as a squad, are not good enough.[/p][/quote]Eddy B in his post after yours does address some of these issues. Yes other clubs play the system. Barca for instance. With players faster more mobile and of a better quality than ours. Motes tried it last night and Scholes said it was not attacking enough from the start for a Man utd team. Net result they lost. Sunderland under Gus not exactly ,even with our very own Bridcutt not exactly out of trouble playing this system. Sorry beg to differ from you on this occasion. Actually sounds like we were the better side again last night. That's been a problem for the last two seasons in this system cms was frustrated in the same manner as Leo is now. Drogba the only player I have ever seen play the lone striker role effectively and at 36 he struggled for Galatasery the other night,not surprisingly.[/p][/quote]Yep, it's clearly all about opinion but I just think supporters get too hung up on standardising everything and giving people and tactics 'boxes'. For instance, there's a feeling that Keith Andrews is a defensive selection and OG get's criticised repeatedly for that. But in one of the few matches I've seen this season, the one player who was getting forward in support, as much, if not more than any other, was Andrews. So the fact we're not being successful is possibly a reflection on the personnel rather than the tactic? If we had the right squad, the tactics would be interchangeable and the players adaptable. In both instances, they aren't. My long held view is we have a team that's as good as almost anyone in the division, but a distinctly average squad and with the injuries we keep getting, our 'team' doesn't play regularly enough. From this article, I just think OG is finally attempting to move the focus of attention onto those making the ultimate decisions on incomings. As a group, the players aren't good enough and he's not happy. Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 5

7:29am Wed 26 Mar 14

Aldrington Halt says...

They say a bad workman blames his tools..well maybe in this case he's having trouble selecting the right ones? Hard to tell but there seems to be a lack of that something, that bit to the left or to the right which makes a chance into 3 points. A clinical striker, perhaps....UTA
They say a bad workman blames his tools..well maybe in this case he's having trouble selecting the right ones? Hard to tell but there seems to be a lack of that something, that bit to the left or to the right which makes a chance into 3 points. A clinical striker, perhaps....UTA Aldrington Halt
  • Score: 1

7:31am Wed 26 Mar 14

Far gull says...

Albion In Staffs wrote:
Far gull wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
Far gull wrote:
This is a formation issue not lack of strikers Oscar. Am annoyed at this comment . Stop playing two defensive midfielders. You are not learning! Start with two wingers not one. Season all but over now so why worry. You will probably try it now.
The problem you have been struggling with all season.... Is of your own making. Yes injuries have not helped and poor transfer window activity( not all your fault)
Summer holidays bekon. Perhaps it is time for club to offer longer contracts too our best players while we are at it ,it may tempt them to stay and encourage them to help us get promoted.
Don't agree at all. There are teams all over the country - at all levels who play in the same way we do and with greater effect, but people get to hung up on formations. It's about players not formations and ours as a squad, are not good enough.
Eddy B in his post after yours does address some of these issues. Yes other clubs play the system. Barca for instance. With players faster more mobile and of a better quality than ours. Motes tried it last night and Scholes said it was not attacking enough from the start for a Man utd team. Net result they lost. Sunderland under Gus not exactly ,even with our very own Bridcutt not exactly out of trouble playing this system.
Sorry beg to differ from you on this occasion. Actually sounds like we were the better side again last night. That's been a problem for the last two seasons in this system cms was frustrated in the same manner as Leo is now. Drogba the only player I have ever seen play the lone striker role effectively and at 36 he struggled for Galatasery the other night,not surprisingly.
Yep, it's clearly all about opinion but I just think supporters get too hung up on standardising everything and giving people and tactics 'boxes'.
For instance, there's a feeling that Keith Andrews is a defensive selection and OG get's criticised repeatedly for that. But in one of the few matches I've seen this season, the one player who was getting forward in support, as much, if not more than any other, was Andrews. So the fact we're not being successful is possibly a reflection on the personnel rather than the tactic? If we had the right squad, the tactics would be interchangeable and the players adaptable. In both instances, they aren't.
My long held view is we have a team that's as good as almost anyone in the division, but a distinctly average squad and with the injuries we keep getting, our 'team' doesn't play regularly enough.
From this article, I just think OG is finally attempting to move the focus of attention onto those making the ultimate decisions on incomings. As a group, the players aren't good enough and he's not happy.
Fair comment
[quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Far gull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Far gull[/bold] wrote: This is a formation issue not lack of strikers Oscar. Am annoyed at this comment . Stop playing two defensive midfielders. You are not learning! Start with two wingers not one. Season all but over now so why worry. You will probably try it now. The problem you have been struggling with all season.... Is of your own making. Yes injuries have not helped and poor transfer window activity( not all your fault) Summer holidays bekon. Perhaps it is time for club to offer longer contracts too our best players while we are at it ,it may tempt them to stay and encourage them to help us get promoted.[/p][/quote]Don't agree at all. There are teams all over the country - at all levels who play in the same way we do and with greater effect, but people get to hung up on formations. It's about players not formations and ours as a squad, are not good enough.[/p][/quote]Eddy B in his post after yours does address some of these issues. Yes other clubs play the system. Barca for instance. With players faster more mobile and of a better quality than ours. Motes tried it last night and Scholes said it was not attacking enough from the start for a Man utd team. Net result they lost. Sunderland under Gus not exactly ,even with our very own Bridcutt not exactly out of trouble playing this system. Sorry beg to differ from you on this occasion. Actually sounds like we were the better side again last night. That's been a problem for the last two seasons in this system cms was frustrated in the same manner as Leo is now. Drogba the only player I have ever seen play the lone striker role effectively and at 36 he struggled for Galatasery the other night,not surprisingly.[/p][/quote]Yep, it's clearly all about opinion but I just think supporters get too hung up on standardising everything and giving people and tactics 'boxes'. For instance, there's a feeling that Keith Andrews is a defensive selection and OG get's criticised repeatedly for that. But in one of the few matches I've seen this season, the one player who was getting forward in support, as much, if not more than any other, was Andrews. So the fact we're not being successful is possibly a reflection on the personnel rather than the tactic? If we had the right squad, the tactics would be interchangeable and the players adaptable. In both instances, they aren't. My long held view is we have a team that's as good as almost anyone in the division, but a distinctly average squad and with the injuries we keep getting, our 'team' doesn't play regularly enough. From this article, I just think OG is finally attempting to move the focus of attention onto those making the ultimate decisions on incomings. As a group, the players aren't good enough and he's not happy.[/p][/quote]Fair comment Far gull
  • Score: 1

7:45am Wed 26 Mar 14

Albion In Staffs says...

Far gull wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
Far gull wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
Far gull wrote:
This is a formation issue not lack of strikers Oscar. Am annoyed at this comment . Stop playing two defensive midfielders. You are not learning! Start with two wingers not one. Season all but over now so why worry. You will probably try it now.
The problem you have been struggling with all season.... Is of your own making. Yes injuries have not helped and poor transfer window activity( not all your fault)
Summer holidays bekon. Perhaps it is time for club to offer longer contracts too our best players while we are at it ,it may tempt them to stay and encourage them to help us get promoted.
Don't agree at all. There are teams all over the country - at all levels who play in the same way we do and with greater effect, but people get to hung up on formations. It's about players not formations and ours as a squad, are not good enough.
Eddy B in his post after yours does address some of these issues. Yes other clubs play the system. Barca for instance. With players faster more mobile and of a better quality than ours. Motes tried it last night and Scholes said it was not attacking enough from the start for a Man utd team. Net result they lost. Sunderland under Gus not exactly ,even with our very own Bridcutt not exactly out of trouble playing this system.
Sorry beg to differ from you on this occasion. Actually sounds like we were the better side again last night. That's been a problem for the last two seasons in this system cms was frustrated in the same manner as Leo is now. Drogba the only player I have ever seen play the lone striker role effectively and at 36 he struggled for Galatasery the other night,not surprisingly.
Yep, it's clearly all about opinion but I just think supporters get too hung up on standardising everything and giving people and tactics 'boxes'.
For instance, there's a feeling that Keith Andrews is a defensive selection and OG get's criticised repeatedly for that. But in one of the few matches I've seen this season, the one player who was getting forward in support, as much, if not more than any other, was Andrews. So the fact we're not being successful is possibly a reflection on the personnel rather than the tactic? If we had the right squad, the tactics would be interchangeable and the players adaptable. In both instances, they aren't.
My long held view is we have a team that's as good as almost anyone in the division, but a distinctly average squad and with the injuries we keep getting, our 'team' doesn't play regularly enough.
From this article, I just think OG is finally attempting to move the focus of attention onto those making the ultimate decisions on incomings. As a group, the players aren't good enough and he's not happy.
Fair comment
FG: Respectful debate is so much more productive than muppet rants.
So...The acid test for me will be the summer.
Last year, OG didn't have time to accurately assess what he had before the summer window shut. So much of what's been happening since has been sticking plasters over gaping wounds.
If he gets his way (??) I'd hope to see a deeper squad next year with the capability to maximise OG's qualities as a coach.
As for now, I'd rather we didn't suddenly find form this season because it would mean a second successive season of OG jumping into the unknown..
[quote][p][bold]Far gull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Far gull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Far gull[/bold] wrote: This is a formation issue not lack of strikers Oscar. Am annoyed at this comment . Stop playing two defensive midfielders. You are not learning! Start with two wingers not one. Season all but over now so why worry. You will probably try it now. The problem you have been struggling with all season.... Is of your own making. Yes injuries have not helped and poor transfer window activity( not all your fault) Summer holidays bekon. Perhaps it is time for club to offer longer contracts too our best players while we are at it ,it may tempt them to stay and encourage them to help us get promoted.[/p][/quote]Don't agree at all. There are teams all over the country - at all levels who play in the same way we do and with greater effect, but people get to hung up on formations. It's about players not formations and ours as a squad, are not good enough.[/p][/quote]Eddy B in his post after yours does address some of these issues. Yes other clubs play the system. Barca for instance. With players faster more mobile and of a better quality than ours. Motes tried it last night and Scholes said it was not attacking enough from the start for a Man utd team. Net result they lost. Sunderland under Gus not exactly ,even with our very own Bridcutt not exactly out of trouble playing this system. Sorry beg to differ from you on this occasion. Actually sounds like we were the better side again last night. That's been a problem for the last two seasons in this system cms was frustrated in the same manner as Leo is now. Drogba the only player I have ever seen play the lone striker role effectively and at 36 he struggled for Galatasery the other night,not surprisingly.[/p][/quote]Yep, it's clearly all about opinion but I just think supporters get too hung up on standardising everything and giving people and tactics 'boxes'. For instance, there's a feeling that Keith Andrews is a defensive selection and OG get's criticised repeatedly for that. But in one of the few matches I've seen this season, the one player who was getting forward in support, as much, if not more than any other, was Andrews. So the fact we're not being successful is possibly a reflection on the personnel rather than the tactic? If we had the right squad, the tactics would be interchangeable and the players adaptable. In both instances, they aren't. My long held view is we have a team that's as good as almost anyone in the division, but a distinctly average squad and with the injuries we keep getting, our 'team' doesn't play regularly enough. From this article, I just think OG is finally attempting to move the focus of attention onto those making the ultimate decisions on incomings. As a group, the players aren't good enough and he's not happy.[/p][/quote]Fair comment[/p][/quote]FG: Respectful debate is so much more productive than muppet rants. So...The acid test for me will be the summer. Last year, OG didn't have time to accurately assess what he had before the summer window shut. So much of what's been happening since has been sticking plasters over gaping wounds. If he gets his way (??) I'd hope to see a deeper squad next year with the capability to maximise OG's qualities as a coach. As for now, I'd rather we didn't suddenly find form this season because it would mean a second successive season of OG jumping into the unknown.. Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 3

7:49am Wed 26 Mar 14

mark by the sea says...

Aldrington Halt wrote:
They say a bad workman blames his tools..well maybe in this case he's having trouble selecting the right ones? Hard to tell but there seems to be a lack of that something, that bit to the left or to the right which makes a chance into 3 points. A clinical striker, perhaps....UTA
Problem with comments like yours is it's a typical one of people who need to realise the club is reactive rather than pro active... OG has faults, but the lack of support from the suits is the same as Gus leaving, if you worded OG comments more directly at the club, it would be " I am trying to do my job without the tools" Gus lost the plot after the had traveled to holland to finalise the deal for van dyke ... Club then changed mind over the deal, leaving Gus looking like a idiot.
Don't blame OG for selling Barnes , Burke decided he was worth 7k a week and not more.
Had we kept Barnes I would be confident we would be in the play offs.
PLEASE REMEMEBER OG HAS NO CONTROL OVER THE FIANL SAY IN BRINGING PLAYERS IN,
[quote][p][bold]Aldrington Halt[/bold] wrote: They say a bad workman blames his tools..well maybe in this case he's having trouble selecting the right ones? Hard to tell but there seems to be a lack of that something, that bit to the left or to the right which makes a chance into 3 points. A clinical striker, perhaps....UTA[/p][/quote]Problem with comments like yours is it's a typical one of people who need to realise the club is reactive rather than pro active... OG has faults, but the lack of support from the suits is the same as Gus leaving, if you worded OG comments more directly at the club, it would be " I am trying to do my job without the tools" Gus lost the plot after the had traveled to holland to finalise the deal for van dyke ... Club then changed mind over the deal, leaving Gus looking like a idiot. Don't blame OG for selling Barnes , Burke decided he was worth 7k a week and not more. Had we kept Barnes I would be confident we would be in the play offs. PLEASE REMEMEBER OG HAS NO CONTROL OVER THE FIANL SAY IN BRINGING PLAYERS IN, mark by the sea
  • Score: 10

7:50am Wed 26 Mar 14

Steveg1958 says...

Lack of strikers eh, ! how many have we tried this year ? It seems to me that playing attacking football occasionally might help Oscar, we are ingrained into this sideways and backwards football all the time or "lets stop just over the half way line and go backwards for a bit" to give almost any striker much chance. The poster above is right, when we get the odd chance (because that is all we can create) it must go in Mr Lingard ! Saturday was a case in point stick that 1st chance in Lingard and we are one up and a different game. In addition to our tactic of not wanting to lose overcoming our desire to win we seem to have absolutely no ability to change anything, ad that's down to the coaching staff, Oscar and NJ. It let us down in the FA cup and it will mean we miss the play offs as well. I had better see some positive action in the summer for our next season in the championship otherwise my season tickets will be in severe jeopardy. ! (before all you rose tinted fans criticise, I am a fan of over 40 years but I am likely not to tolerate being bored rigid almost every week, with no plan B or likely excitement at matches).
Lack of strikers eh, ! how many have we tried this year ? It seems to me that playing attacking football occasionally might help Oscar, we are ingrained into this sideways and backwards football all the time or "lets stop just over the half way line and go backwards for a bit" to give almost any striker much chance. The poster above is right, when we get the odd chance (because that is all we can create) it must go in Mr Lingard ! Saturday was a case in point stick that 1st chance in Lingard and we are one up and a different game. In addition to our tactic of not wanting to lose overcoming our desire to win we seem to have absolutely no ability to change anything, ad that's down to the coaching staff, Oscar and NJ. It let us down in the FA cup and it will mean we miss the play offs as well. I had better see some positive action in the summer for our next season in the championship otherwise my season tickets will be in severe jeopardy. ! (before all you rose tinted fans criticise, I am a fan of over 40 years but I am likely not to tolerate being bored rigid almost every week, with no plan B or likely excitement at matches). Steveg1958
  • Score: 8

7:52am Wed 26 Mar 14

mark by the sea says...

Also remember cms and Hoskins are not cetre forwards but play off a target man... I said we were light up front if ulloa was missing.
Also remember cms and Hoskins are not cetre forwards but play off a target man... I said we were light up front if ulloa was missing. mark by the sea
  • Score: 1

7:54am Wed 26 Mar 14

mark by the sea says...

Steveg1958 wrote:
Lack of strikers eh, ! how many have we tried this year ? It seems to me that playing attacking football occasionally might help Oscar, we are ingrained into this sideways and backwards football all the time or "lets stop just over the half way line and go backwards for a bit" to give almost any striker much chance. The poster above is right, when we get the odd chance (because that is all we can create) it must go in Mr Lingard ! Saturday was a case in point stick that 1st chance in Lingard and we are one up and a different game. In addition to our tactic of not wanting to lose overcoming our desire to win we seem to have absolutely no ability to change anything, ad that's down to the coaching staff, Oscar and NJ. It let us down in the FA cup and it will mean we miss the play offs as well. I had better see some positive action in the summer for our next season in the championship otherwise my season tickets will be in severe jeopardy. ! (before all you rose tinted fans criticise, I am a fan of over 40 years but I am likely not to tolerate being bored rigid almost every week, with no plan B or likely excitement at matches).
Your have ex pat armchair after you, I been saying it for months season ticket sales will be hit, lol
[quote][p][bold]Steveg1958[/bold] wrote: Lack of strikers eh, ! how many have we tried this year ? It seems to me that playing attacking football occasionally might help Oscar, we are ingrained into this sideways and backwards football all the time or "lets stop just over the half way line and go backwards for a bit" to give almost any striker much chance. The poster above is right, when we get the odd chance (because that is all we can create) it must go in Mr Lingard ! Saturday was a case in point stick that 1st chance in Lingard and we are one up and a different game. In addition to our tactic of not wanting to lose overcoming our desire to win we seem to have absolutely no ability to change anything, ad that's down to the coaching staff, Oscar and NJ. It let us down in the FA cup and it will mean we miss the play offs as well. I had better see some positive action in the summer for our next season in the championship otherwise my season tickets will be in severe jeopardy. ! (before all you rose tinted fans criticise, I am a fan of over 40 years but I am likely not to tolerate being bored rigid almost every week, with no plan B or likely excitement at matches).[/p][/quote]Your have ex pat armchair after you, I been saying it for months season ticket sales will be hit, lol mark by the sea
  • Score: 2

8:06am Wed 26 Mar 14

ringtone says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Aldrington Halt wrote:
They say a bad workman blames his tools..well maybe in this case he's having trouble selecting the right ones? Hard to tell but there seems to be a lack of that something, that bit to the left or to the right which makes a chance into 3 points. A clinical striker, perhaps....UTA
Problem with comments like yours is it's a typical one of people who need to realise the club is reactive rather than pro active... OG has faults, but the lack of support from the suits is the same as Gus leaving, if you worded OG comments more directly at the club, it would be " I am trying to do my job without the tools" Gus lost the plot after the had traveled to holland to finalise the deal for van dyke ... Club then changed mind over the deal, leaving Gus looking like a idiot.
Don't blame OG for selling Barnes , Burke decided he was worth 7k a week and not more.
Had we kept Barnes I would be confident we would be in the play offs.
PLEASE REMEMEBER OG HAS NO CONTROL OVER THE FIANL SAY IN BRINGING PLAYERS IN,
Fantastic post.

Thanks mark, the truth is out there.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Aldrington Halt[/bold] wrote: They say a bad workman blames his tools..well maybe in this case he's having trouble selecting the right ones? Hard to tell but there seems to be a lack of that something, that bit to the left or to the right which makes a chance into 3 points. A clinical striker, perhaps....UTA[/p][/quote]Problem with comments like yours is it's a typical one of people who need to realise the club is reactive rather than pro active... OG has faults, but the lack of support from the suits is the same as Gus leaving, if you worded OG comments more directly at the club, it would be " I am trying to do my job without the tools" Gus lost the plot after the had traveled to holland to finalise the deal for van dyke ... Club then changed mind over the deal, leaving Gus looking like a idiot. Don't blame OG for selling Barnes , Burke decided he was worth 7k a week and not more. Had we kept Barnes I would be confident we would be in the play offs. PLEASE REMEMEBER OG HAS NO CONTROL OVER THE FIANL SAY IN BRINGING PLAYERS IN,[/p][/quote]Fantastic post. Thanks mark, the truth is out there. ringtone
  • Score: -1

8:10am Wed 26 Mar 14

Steveg1958 says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Steveg1958 wrote:
Lack of strikers eh, ! how many have we tried this year ? It seems to me that playing attacking football occasionally might help Oscar, we are ingrained into this sideways and backwards football all the time or "lets stop just over the half way line and go backwards for a bit" to give almost any striker much chance. The poster above is right, when we get the odd chance (because that is all we can create) it must go in Mr Lingard ! Saturday was a case in point stick that 1st chance in Lingard and we are one up and a different game. In addition to our tactic of not wanting to lose overcoming our desire to win we seem to have absolutely no ability to change anything, ad that's down to the coaching staff, Oscar and NJ. It let us down in the FA cup and it will mean we miss the play offs as well. I had better see some positive action in the summer for our next season in the championship otherwise my season tickets will be in severe jeopardy. ! (before all you rose tinted fans criticise, I am a fan of over 40 years but I am likely not to tolerate being bored rigid almost every week, with no plan B or likely excitement at matches).
Your have ex pat armchair after you, I been saying it for months season ticket sales will be hit, lol
All I want is passing football with fast attacking intent and as a result more goals !, Alan Mullery's team of 1978 / 79 played that way, entertained us nd got promoted from Div 3 to Div 1, ( that's league 1 to premier league for all you newbies). Not too much to ask is it. ? likely as not I will follow my team whatever, I just want to see some serious intent "on the pitch" in the summer, not just with training grounds and hotels please.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Steveg1958[/bold] wrote: Lack of strikers eh, ! how many have we tried this year ? It seems to me that playing attacking football occasionally might help Oscar, we are ingrained into this sideways and backwards football all the time or "lets stop just over the half way line and go backwards for a bit" to give almost any striker much chance. The poster above is right, when we get the odd chance (because that is all we can create) it must go in Mr Lingard ! Saturday was a case in point stick that 1st chance in Lingard and we are one up and a different game. In addition to our tactic of not wanting to lose overcoming our desire to win we seem to have absolutely no ability to change anything, ad that's down to the coaching staff, Oscar and NJ. It let us down in the FA cup and it will mean we miss the play offs as well. I had better see some positive action in the summer for our next season in the championship otherwise my season tickets will be in severe jeopardy. ! (before all you rose tinted fans criticise, I am a fan of over 40 years but I am likely not to tolerate being bored rigid almost every week, with no plan B or likely excitement at matches).[/p][/quote]Your have ex pat armchair after you, I been saying it for months season ticket sales will be hit, lol[/p][/quote]All I want is passing football with fast attacking intent and as a result more goals !, Alan Mullery's team of 1978 / 79 played that way, entertained us nd got promoted from Div 3 to Div 1, ( that's league 1 to premier league for all you newbies). Not too much to ask is it. ? likely as not I will follow my team whatever, I just want to see some serious intent "on the pitch" in the summer, not just with training grounds and hotels please. Steveg1958
  • Score: 6

8:12am Wed 26 Mar 14

Albion In Staffs says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Aldrington Halt wrote:
They say a bad workman blames his tools..well maybe in this case he's having trouble selecting the right ones? Hard to tell but there seems to be a lack of that something, that bit to the left or to the right which makes a chance into 3 points. A clinical striker, perhaps....UTA
Problem with comments like yours is it's a typical one of people who need to realise the club is reactive rather than pro active... OG has faults, but the lack of support from the suits is the same as Gus leaving, if you worded OG comments more directly at the club, it would be " I am trying to do my job without the tools" Gus lost the plot after the had traveled to holland to finalise the deal for van dyke ... Club then changed mind over the deal, leaving Gus looking like a idiot.
Don't blame OG for selling Barnes , Burke decided he was worth 7k a week and not more.
Had we kept Barnes I would be confident we would be in the play offs.
PLEASE REMEMEBER OG HAS NO CONTROL OVER THE FIANL SAY IN BRINGING PLAYERS IN,
MBTS, I Agree!
It's perhaps the case that OG is "having trouble selecting the right ones" because "the right ones" are not at the club?
Forget the individuals now involved, the club seems to have hit the ceiling again, so perhaps it's a case of accepting that the current - if necessary - budgetary strategy is going to provide a 'nearly' squad all the time?
If we can't afford to up the stakes at the moment, then so be it. I have confidence in those managing the budgets so perhaps, just perhaps, they've been holding back to give OG a fair crack when he's had a full year to assess? I'm certain he will have signifiant influence in identifying the right players so from that point of view, there would've been no point in splashing out last year when OG didn't really know what was needed? You can only spend it once....
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Aldrington Halt[/bold] wrote: They say a bad workman blames his tools..well maybe in this case he's having trouble selecting the right ones? Hard to tell but there seems to be a lack of that something, that bit to the left or to the right which makes a chance into 3 points. A clinical striker, perhaps....UTA[/p][/quote]Problem with comments like yours is it's a typical one of people who need to realise the club is reactive rather than pro active... OG has faults, but the lack of support from the suits is the same as Gus leaving, if you worded OG comments more directly at the club, it would be " I am trying to do my job without the tools" Gus lost the plot after the had traveled to holland to finalise the deal for van dyke ... Club then changed mind over the deal, leaving Gus looking like a idiot. Don't blame OG for selling Barnes , Burke decided he was worth 7k a week and not more. Had we kept Barnes I would be confident we would be in the play offs. PLEASE REMEMEBER OG HAS NO CONTROL OVER THE FIANL SAY IN BRINGING PLAYERS IN,[/p][/quote]MBTS, I Agree! It's perhaps the case that OG is "having trouble selecting the right ones" because "the right ones" are not at the club? Forget the individuals now involved, the club seems to have hit the ceiling again, so perhaps it's a case of accepting that the current - if necessary - budgetary strategy is going to provide a 'nearly' squad all the time? If we can't afford to up the stakes at the moment, then so be it. I have confidence in those managing the budgets so perhaps, just perhaps, they've been holding back to give OG a fair crack when he's had a full year to assess? I'm certain he will have signifiant influence in identifying the right players so from that point of view, there would've been no point in splashing out last year when OG didn't really know what was needed? You can only spend it once.... Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 2

8:20am Wed 26 Mar 14

Albion In Staffs says...

Steveg1958 wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Steveg1958 wrote:
Lack of strikers eh, ! how many have we tried this year ? It seems to me that playing attacking football occasionally might help Oscar, we are ingrained into this sideways and backwards football all the time or "lets stop just over the half way line and go backwards for a bit" to give almost any striker much chance. The poster above is right, when we get the odd chance (because that is all we can create) it must go in Mr Lingard ! Saturday was a case in point stick that 1st chance in Lingard and we are one up and a different game. In addition to our tactic of not wanting to lose overcoming our desire to win we seem to have absolutely no ability to change anything, ad that's down to the coaching staff, Oscar and NJ. It let us down in the FA cup and it will mean we miss the play offs as well. I had better see some positive action in the summer for our next season in the championship otherwise my season tickets will be in severe jeopardy. ! (before all you rose tinted fans criticise, I am a fan of over 40 years but I am likely not to tolerate being bored rigid almost every week, with no plan B or likely excitement at matches).
Your have ex pat armchair after you, I been saying it for months season ticket sales will be hit, lol
All I want is passing football with fast attacking intent and as a result more goals !, Alan Mullery's team of 1978 / 79 played that way, entertained us nd got promoted from Div 3 to Div 1, ( that's league 1 to premier league for all you newbies). Not too much to ask is it. ? likely as not I will follow my team whatever, I just want to see some serious intent "on the pitch" in the summer, not just with training grounds and hotels please.
See your point and lack of goals this season is undeniable!
But it's always the case for us fans that entertainment is inextricably linked to success,hence your reference to 78/9. So last night for example, we lost 1-0 to a late goal and the whole world is in a mess.
Big 'ifs' I know, but if Lingard or Buckley had put away one of their chances and we'd won, the whole perception of an identical 90-minute performance would've changed, probably to one we interpreted as resilient and much improved!
At the end of the day, we're fans and undeniably fickle by nature. Long may it continue
[quote][p][bold]Steveg1958[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Steveg1958[/bold] wrote: Lack of strikers eh, ! how many have we tried this year ? It seems to me that playing attacking football occasionally might help Oscar, we are ingrained into this sideways and backwards football all the time or "lets stop just over the half way line and go backwards for a bit" to give almost any striker much chance. The poster above is right, when we get the odd chance (because that is all we can create) it must go in Mr Lingard ! Saturday was a case in point stick that 1st chance in Lingard and we are one up and a different game. In addition to our tactic of not wanting to lose overcoming our desire to win we seem to have absolutely no ability to change anything, ad that's down to the coaching staff, Oscar and NJ. It let us down in the FA cup and it will mean we miss the play offs as well. I had better see some positive action in the summer for our next season in the championship otherwise my season tickets will be in severe jeopardy. ! (before all you rose tinted fans criticise, I am a fan of over 40 years but I am likely not to tolerate being bored rigid almost every week, with no plan B or likely excitement at matches).[/p][/quote]Your have ex pat armchair after you, I been saying it for months season ticket sales will be hit, lol[/p][/quote]All I want is passing football with fast attacking intent and as a result more goals !, Alan Mullery's team of 1978 / 79 played that way, entertained us nd got promoted from Div 3 to Div 1, ( that's league 1 to premier league for all you newbies). Not too much to ask is it. ? likely as not I will follow my team whatever, I just want to see some serious intent "on the pitch" in the summer, not just with training grounds and hotels please.[/p][/quote]See your point and lack of goals this season is undeniable! But it's always the case for us fans that entertainment is inextricably linked to success,hence your reference to 78/9. So last night for example, we lost 1-0 to a late goal and the whole world is in a mess. Big 'ifs' I know, but if Lingard or Buckley had put away one of their chances and we'd won, the whole perception of an identical 90-minute performance would've changed, probably to one we interpreted as resilient and much improved! At the end of the day, we're fans and undeniably fickle by nature. Long may it continue Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 7

8:28am Wed 26 Mar 14

chipsandgravy says...

Personally I think we are at the point of the season where we might as well go for broke & play the most attacking line up we have in every game and play them like cup ties. We have nothing to lose - we aren't going down & we still have much to do to reach the top six. Yes it is risky but we cannot afford to lose too many more points. We have 27 to play for - let's aim for 20-24 more and see where it gets us. Don't forget that the other teams all have to play each other too...
Personally I think we are at the point of the season where we might as well go for broke & play the most attacking line up we have in every game and play them like cup ties. We have nothing to lose - we aren't going down & we still have much to do to reach the top six. Yes it is risky but we cannot afford to lose too many more points. We have 27 to play for - let's aim for 20-24 more and see where it gets us. Don't forget that the other teams all have to play each other too... chipsandgravy
  • Score: 4

8:32am Wed 26 Mar 14

wiseman of hove says...

Looks like the inquest has started before the season is over. We are still in there, so Oscar needs to work out how to utilise existing resources for Saturday.
As far as last night is concerned, perhaps Oscar could explain why LuaLua was given such little time last night. That's poor decision making, not resources.
Looks like the inquest has started before the season is over. We are still in there, so Oscar needs to work out how to utilise existing resources for Saturday. As far as last night is concerned, perhaps Oscar could explain why LuaLua was given such little time last night. That's poor decision making, not resources. wiseman of hove
  • Score: 7

8:35am Wed 26 Mar 14

SMF20 says...

Some really good posts above.

Although at times I've challenged the selection of certain players over others in what looked like a step backwards in terms of positivity, i have to say that OG has also been terribly unlucky where injuries are concerned.

Is it fair to say that with everyone fit we would have a side capable of a top 6 finish? Definitely for me... The problem in my eyes and imho only is that our back up players are very much lacking in quality in comparison to their more able colleagues.
I genuinely believe the side below would be a match for everyone.

Kuz
Bruno, Dunk, Upson, Ward
Ince
Buckley, Stephens, Orlandi, Lua Lua
Ulloa

I think we have some very able replacements for a few positions but are desperately lacking in others.
This has never been more evident than in the last few games where we have really missed Stephens/Crofts energy and Orlandi's inventiveness.

I genuinely believe that the player our squad lacks most is the creative midfielder. Orlandi is up to the task but always injured but there is no one who can replace him.

Thinking ahead to next season I would look to keep all of the above as well as the likes of Crofts, Cms, Greer and a select few other.
I think a big clear out is needed though to allow us to strengthen in key areas. I'll not mention names as I'm sure most of us would agree on who we should thank for their services but move on.

My prediction for the remainder of the season is that we WILL be top 6 if Orlandi and Stephens play the majority of the remaining games but WONT be top 6 if they don't.

Uta
Some really good posts above. Although at times I've challenged the selection of certain players over others in what looked like a step backwards in terms of positivity, i have to say that OG has also been terribly unlucky where injuries are concerned. Is it fair to say that with everyone fit we would have a side capable of a top 6 finish? Definitely for me... The problem in my eyes and imho only is that our back up players are very much lacking in quality in comparison to their more able colleagues. I genuinely believe the side below would be a match for everyone. Kuz Bruno, Dunk, Upson, Ward Ince Buckley, Stephens, Orlandi, Lua Lua Ulloa I think we have some very able replacements for a few positions but are desperately lacking in others. This has never been more evident than in the last few games where we have really missed Stephens/Crofts energy and Orlandi's inventiveness. I genuinely believe that the player our squad lacks most is the creative midfielder. Orlandi is up to the task but always injured but there is no one who can replace him. Thinking ahead to next season I would look to keep all of the above as well as the likes of Crofts, Cms, Greer and a select few other. I think a big clear out is needed though to allow us to strengthen in key areas. I'll not mention names as I'm sure most of us would agree on who we should thank for their services but move on. My prediction for the remainder of the season is that we WILL be top 6 if Orlandi and Stephens play the majority of the remaining games but WONT be top 6 if they don't. Uta SMF20
  • Score: 14

8:37am Wed 26 Mar 14

russellsnr2 says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Aldrington Halt wrote:
They say a bad workman blames his tools..well maybe in this case he's having trouble selecting the right ones? Hard to tell but there seems to be a lack of that something, that bit to the left or to the right which makes a chance into 3 points. A clinical striker, perhaps....UTA
Problem with comments like yours is it's a typical one of people who need to realise the club is reactive rather than pro active... OG has faults, but the lack of support from the suits is the same as Gus leaving, if you worded OG comments more directly at the club, it would be " I am trying to do my job without the tools" Gus lost the plot after the had traveled to holland to finalise the deal for van dyke ... Club then changed mind over the deal, leaving Gus looking like a idiot.
Don't blame OG for selling Barnes , Burke decided he was worth 7k a week and not more.
Had we kept Barnes I would be confident we would be in the play offs.
PLEASE REMEMEBER OG HAS NO CONTROL OVER THE FIANL SAY IN BRINGING PLAYERS IN,
REMEMBER OG HAS NO CONTROL OVER THE FINAL SAY IN BRINGING PLAYERS IN,
And this is where IMO the system is wrong in part.
OG is the Manager/Coach call him what you like and he is the man where the buck stops, if we play badly then it's his head on the block, not Jones or Burke.
OG should be told by the people the club pays to go and find talent that they believe they have found what he wants and he alone should go and watch said player/s and make a decision as to if he thinks good enough to play for us, if good enough then the club should respect his professional opinion and pull out ALL the stops to get him what he wants to take the club on the field forward.
I don't get to games due to where I live so have to go by what is shown live or from reports and of course on here but I was under the impression that OG was in charge of the team not NJ but it seems this may not be the case?
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Aldrington Halt[/bold] wrote: They say a bad workman blames his tools..well maybe in this case he's having trouble selecting the right ones? Hard to tell but there seems to be a lack of that something, that bit to the left or to the right which makes a chance into 3 points. A clinical striker, perhaps....UTA[/p][/quote]Problem with comments like yours is it's a typical one of people who need to realise the club is reactive rather than pro active... OG has faults, but the lack of support from the suits is the same as Gus leaving, if you worded OG comments more directly at the club, it would be " I am trying to do my job without the tools" Gus lost the plot after the had traveled to holland to finalise the deal for van dyke ... Club then changed mind over the deal, leaving Gus looking like a idiot. Don't blame OG for selling Barnes , Burke decided he was worth 7k a week and not more. Had we kept Barnes I would be confident we would be in the play offs. PLEASE REMEMEBER OG HAS NO CONTROL OVER THE FIANL SAY IN BRINGING PLAYERS IN,[/p][/quote]REMEMBER OG HAS NO CONTROL OVER THE FINAL SAY IN BRINGING PLAYERS IN, And this is where IMO the system is wrong in part. OG is the Manager/Coach call him what you like and he is the man where the buck stops, if we play badly then it's his head on the block, not Jones or Burke. OG should be told by the people the club pays to go and find talent that they believe they have found what he wants and he alone should go and watch said player/s and make a decision as to if he thinks good enough to play for us, if good enough then the club should respect his professional opinion and pull out ALL the stops to get him what he wants to take the club on the field forward. I don't get to games due to where I live so have to go by what is shown live or from reports and of course on here but I was under the impression that OG was in charge of the team not NJ but it seems this may not be the case? russellsnr2
  • Score: -3

8:44am Wed 26 Mar 14

pablobrowno says...

Grabban not signing was a turning point in my eyes. If he had come it would've filled us and the players with confidence, not to mention giving us a strong and quality player who knows where the goal is. Nights like last night would've been completely different. Rodders is clearly not an improvement on Barnes, in fact far less effective in my opinion. The lack of signing another half decent striker (even on loan) does leave questions about the clubs ambition, and the players feel that too. With the injuries we've had this season as well I think an 8th or 9th finish would be about the right level. There will be a big rebuild in the summer and Buckley will be allowed to go to the prem. If we sign the lad Carayol from Midds as replacement I'll be happy. Do we really think we're going to beat the likes of qpr and Wigan in the play offs anyway?! Come on we have a long way to go....
Grabban not signing was a turning point in my eyes. If he had come it would've filled us and the players with confidence, not to mention giving us a strong and quality player who knows where the goal is. Nights like last night would've been completely different. Rodders is clearly not an improvement on Barnes, in fact far less effective in my opinion. The lack of signing another half decent striker (even on loan) does leave questions about the clubs ambition, and the players feel that too. With the injuries we've had this season as well I think an 8th or 9th finish would be about the right level. There will be a big rebuild in the summer and Buckley will be allowed to go to the prem. If we sign the lad Carayol from Midds as replacement I'll be happy. Do we really think we're going to beat the likes of qpr and Wigan in the play offs anyway?! Come on we have a long way to go.... pablobrowno
  • Score: 3

8:47am Wed 26 Mar 14

wiseman of hove says...

SMF20 wrote:
Some really good posts above.

Although at times I've challenged the selection of certain players over others in what looked like a step backwards in terms of positivity, i have to say that OG has also been terribly unlucky where injuries are concerned.

Is it fair to say that with everyone fit we would have a side capable of a top 6 finish? Definitely for me... The problem in my eyes and imho only is that our back up players are very much lacking in quality in comparison to their more able colleagues.
I genuinely believe the side below would be a match for everyone.

Kuz
Bruno, Dunk, Upson, Ward
Ince
Buckley, Stephens, Orlandi, Lua Lua
Ulloa

I think we have some very able replacements for a few positions but are desperately lacking in others.
This has never been more evident than in the last few games where we have really missed Stephens/Crofts energy and Orlandi's inventiveness.

I genuinely believe that the player our squad lacks most is the creative midfielder. Orlandi is up to the task but always injured but there is no one who can replace him.

Thinking ahead to next season I would look to keep all of the above as well as the likes of Crofts, Cms, Greer and a select few other.
I think a big clear out is needed though to allow us to strengthen in key areas. I'll not mention names as I'm sure most of us would agree on who we should thank for their services but move on.

My prediction for the remainder of the season is that we WILL be top 6 if Orlandi and Stephens play the majority of the remaining games but WONT be top 6 if they don't.

Uta
I very much agree that Orlandi is key to all this. His absence has cost us dearly. Stephens would have made a difference I feel, in the last two matches and surely he will be fit on Saturday. Stephens will be a important player next year.
[quote][p][bold]SMF20[/bold] wrote: Some really good posts above. Although at times I've challenged the selection of certain players over others in what looked like a step backwards in terms of positivity, i have to say that OG has also been terribly unlucky where injuries are concerned. Is it fair to say that with everyone fit we would have a side capable of a top 6 finish? Definitely for me... The problem in my eyes and imho only is that our back up players are very much lacking in quality in comparison to their more able colleagues. I genuinely believe the side below would be a match for everyone. Kuz Bruno, Dunk, Upson, Ward Ince Buckley, Stephens, Orlandi, Lua Lua Ulloa I think we have some very able replacements for a few positions but are desperately lacking in others. This has never been more evident than in the last few games where we have really missed Stephens/Crofts energy and Orlandi's inventiveness. I genuinely believe that the player our squad lacks most is the creative midfielder. Orlandi is up to the task but always injured but there is no one who can replace him. Thinking ahead to next season I would look to keep all of the above as well as the likes of Crofts, Cms, Greer and a select few other. I think a big clear out is needed though to allow us to strengthen in key areas. I'll not mention names as I'm sure most of us would agree on who we should thank for their services but move on. My prediction for the remainder of the season is that we WILL be top 6 if Orlandi and Stephens play the majority of the remaining games but WONT be top 6 if they don't. Uta[/p][/quote]I very much agree that Orlandi is key to all this. His absence has cost us dearly. Stephens would have made a difference I feel, in the last two matches and surely he will be fit on Saturday. Stephens will be a important player next year. wiseman of hove
  • Score: 4

8:58am Wed 26 Mar 14

Albion In Staffs says...

wiseman of hove wrote:
Looks like the inquest has started before the season is over. We are still in there, so Oscar needs to work out how to utilise existing resources for Saturday.
As far as last night is concerned, perhaps Oscar could explain why LuaLua was given such little time last night. That's poor decision making, not resources.
He might have a perfectly reasonable answer, but equally, it's a perfectly fair point..
[quote][p][bold]wiseman of hove[/bold] wrote: Looks like the inquest has started before the season is over. We are still in there, so Oscar needs to work out how to utilise existing resources for Saturday. As far as last night is concerned, perhaps Oscar could explain why LuaLua was given such little time last night. That's poor decision making, not resources.[/p][/quote]He might have a perfectly reasonable answer, but equally, it's a perfectly fair point.. Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 3

9:19am Wed 26 Mar 14

Claude Back says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Aldrington Halt wrote:
They say a bad workman blames his tools..well maybe in this case he's having trouble selecting the right ones? Hard to tell but there seems to be a lack of that something, that bit to the left or to the right which makes a chance into 3 points. A clinical striker, perhaps....UTA
Problem with comments like yours is it's a typical one of people who need to realise the club is reactive rather than pro active... OG has faults, but the lack of support from the suits is the same as Gus leaving, if you worded OG comments more directly at the club, it would be " I am trying to do my job without the tools" Gus lost the plot after the had traveled to holland to finalise the deal for van dyke ... Club then changed mind over the deal, leaving Gus looking like a idiot.
Don't blame OG for selling Barnes , Burke decided he was worth 7k a week and not more.
Had we kept Barnes I would be confident we would be in the play offs.
PLEASE REMEMEBER OG HAS NO CONTROL OVER THE FIANL SAY IN BRINGING PLAYERS IN,
Yes..and that is the trouble.
Many of us much prefer the system where the manager picks the players and actually says who he wants to buy as opposed to a general 'we need this type of player' etc and where choosing an actual player is not ultra vires.
It's a bit rich O.G. moaning about the lack of strikers when he is opposed to playing two together! Lingard is meant to be a quality striker but every loanee we have cannot play O.G.'s system.
Contrary to other comments on here there is no evidence to show that playing with one striker is more successful than playing with two; certainly not in our Division or below. In fact the evidence is completely contradictory so why are some attracted to that theory? I am not persuaded by that at all.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Aldrington Halt[/bold] wrote: They say a bad workman blames his tools..well maybe in this case he's having trouble selecting the right ones? Hard to tell but there seems to be a lack of that something, that bit to the left or to the right which makes a chance into 3 points. A clinical striker, perhaps....UTA[/p][/quote]Problem with comments like yours is it's a typical one of people who need to realise the club is reactive rather than pro active... OG has faults, but the lack of support from the suits is the same as Gus leaving, if you worded OG comments more directly at the club, it would be " I am trying to do my job without the tools" Gus lost the plot after the had traveled to holland to finalise the deal for van dyke ... Club then changed mind over the deal, leaving Gus looking like a idiot. Don't blame OG for selling Barnes , Burke decided he was worth 7k a week and not more. Had we kept Barnes I would be confident we would be in the play offs. PLEASE REMEMEBER OG HAS NO CONTROL OVER THE FIANL SAY IN BRINGING PLAYERS IN,[/p][/quote]Yes..and that is the trouble. Many of us much prefer the system where the manager picks the players and actually says who he wants to buy as opposed to a general 'we need this type of player' etc and where choosing an actual player is not ultra vires. It's a bit rich O.G. moaning about the lack of strikers when he is opposed to playing two together! Lingard is meant to be a quality striker but every loanee we have cannot play O.G.'s system. Contrary to other comments on here there is no evidence to show that playing with one striker is more successful than playing with two; certainly not in our Division or below. In fact the evidence is completely contradictory so why are some attracted to that theory? I am not persuaded by that at all. Claude Back
  • Score: 5

9:22am Wed 26 Mar 14

mikeygit says...

I have not had time to read all the posts above--and therefore may have been said--BUT ALL players have the ability to score goals, Calderon has scored a few--Ince etc it is not just up to the strikers. We have Lingard--not scored--we have Lu Lua although not had a lot of chances due to restricted playing---but he has not scored for a time, yes Buckers scored a couple the other week but not consistent. You CANNOT blame the lack of Ulloa being available. They all should know where the goal is and they all have opportunities at some time--especially corners or set pieces around the goal. BUT we wonder sometimes where the next goal is coming from. Agree with some--we are not so good to watch as last season and it makes boring watching---good though so many season tickets have been sold so far---lets hope it is money well spent and we are more entertaining next time round.
I have not had time to read all the posts above--and therefore may have been said--BUT ALL players have the ability to score goals, Calderon has scored a few--Ince etc it is not just up to the strikers. We have Lingard--not scored--we have Lu Lua although not had a lot of chances due to restricted playing---but he has not scored for a time, yes Buckers scored a couple the other week but not consistent. You CANNOT blame the lack of Ulloa being available. They all should know where the goal is and they all have opportunities at some time--especially corners or set pieces around the goal. BUT we wonder sometimes where the next goal is coming from. Agree with some--we are not so good to watch as last season and it makes boring watching---good though so many season tickets have been sold so far---lets hope it is money well spent and we are more entertaining next time round. mikeygit
  • Score: 1

9:33am Wed 26 Mar 14

Claude Back says...

Moreover, I think it is worth remembering that N.J. was only brought in a O.G.'s assistant because he could translate and pass on O.G.'s instructions and knew something about the English Leagues. Something may have been lost in translation in the early months but O.G. seems quite fluent in English now. So, it begs the question would O.G. have chosen him as his assistant if language had not been a stumbling block? Does he still appreciate his input?
Moreover, I think it is worth remembering that N.J. was only brought in a O.G.'s assistant because he could translate and pass on O.G.'s instructions and knew something about the English Leagues. Something may have been lost in translation in the early months but O.G. seems quite fluent in English now. So, it begs the question would O.G. have chosen him as his assistant if language had not been a stumbling block? Does he still appreciate his input? Claude Back
  • Score: 6

9:43am Wed 26 Mar 14

Albion In Staffs says...

Claude Back wrote:
Moreover, I think it is worth remembering that N.J. was only brought in a O.G.'s assistant because he could translate and pass on O.G.'s instructions and knew something about the English Leagues. Something may have been lost in translation in the early months but O.G. seems quite fluent in English now. So, it begs the question would O.G. have chosen him as his assistant if language had not been a stumbling block? Does he still appreciate his input?
CB, good question!!
But we'll only know the answer by specific deed!
[quote][p][bold]Claude Back[/bold] wrote: Moreover, I think it is worth remembering that N.J. was only brought in a O.G.'s assistant because he could translate and pass on O.G.'s instructions and knew something about the English Leagues. Something may have been lost in translation in the early months but O.G. seems quite fluent in English now. So, it begs the question would O.G. have chosen him as his assistant if language had not been a stumbling block? Does he still appreciate his input?[/p][/quote]CB, good question!! But we'll only know the answer by specific deed! Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 1

9:46am Wed 26 Mar 14

SecondReserve says...

Those of us who have supported the Albion for more years than we care to remember obviously want to see a winning team but we also want to see some excitement and some goals. Basically football is an entertainment and nowadays a pretty expensive one. But 39 goals in 37 matches, always playing 2 defensive (non-goalscoring) midfielders and insisting on playing only one up front is producing neither excitement nor goals. Why can't we get a decent loan striker - this season we've had a succession of loan strikers, none of whom has been a success. Lita, Obika, Rodriguez, Lingard. Not too many league goals from those four.

The current situation seems to be becoming more reminiscent by the day of what happened in the early 1980s. Alan Mullery's team played exciting football but when Mullery left in 1981 we appointed Mike Bailey. He briefly got us to our highest ever position in the top division but he kept selling players and bringing in lesser ones, the football was extremely boring and many fans voted with their feet and stayed away and as a result Bailey was sacked.

I have serious doubts as to whether Garcia and Jones are up to managing a team supposedly aiming for the Premiership and they are serving up what is very boring, defensive and negative football. Deja vu?
Those of us who have supported the Albion for more years than we care to remember obviously want to see a winning team but we also want to see some excitement and some goals. Basically football is an entertainment and nowadays a pretty expensive one. But 39 goals in 37 matches, always playing 2 defensive (non-goalscoring) midfielders and insisting on playing only one up front is producing neither excitement nor goals. Why can't we get a decent loan striker - this season we've had a succession of loan strikers, none of whom has been a success. Lita, Obika, Rodriguez, Lingard. Not too many league goals from those four. The current situation seems to be becoming more reminiscent by the day of what happened in the early 1980s. Alan Mullery's team played exciting football but when Mullery left in 1981 we appointed Mike Bailey. He briefly got us to our highest ever position in the top division but he kept selling players and bringing in lesser ones, the football was extremely boring and many fans voted with their feet and stayed away and as a result Bailey was sacked. I have serious doubts as to whether Garcia and Jones are up to managing a team supposedly aiming for the Premiership and they are serving up what is very boring, defensive and negative football. Deja vu? SecondReserve
  • Score: 9

9:58am Wed 26 Mar 14

Baldseagull says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Aldrington Halt wrote:
They say a bad workman blames his tools..well maybe in this case he's having trouble selecting the right ones? Hard to tell but there seems to be a lack of that something, that bit to the left or to the right which makes a chance into 3 points. A clinical striker, perhaps....UTA
Problem with comments like yours is it's a typical one of people who need to realise the club is reactive rather than pro active... OG has faults, but the lack of support from the suits is the same as Gus leaving, if you worded OG comments more directly at the club, it would be " I am trying to do my job without the tools" Gus lost the plot after the had traveled to holland to finalise the deal for van dyke ... Club then changed mind over the deal, leaving Gus looking like a idiot.
Don't blame OG for selling Barnes , Burke decided he was worth 7k a week and not more.
Had we kept Barnes I would be confident we would be in the play offs.
PLEASE REMEMEBER OG HAS NO CONTROL OVER THE FIANL SAY IN BRINGING PLAYERS IN,
If you mean OG does not hold the purse strings, you are of course correct, but even if he did, there is only so much in the purse.
This is a tricky time to be making big signings in the Championship, a lot of players are never going to get a pay packet as big as the one they currently receive ever again.
There will be clubs suffering next season for overspending and not going up, there will be players looking for fat wages and finding no club can pay it, not for more than one season anyway.
As for the club getting cold feet over Van Dijk, I don't know, but Gus had brought in a lot of youth that did not work out, Bergkamp, Agdestein, Baz, Battipiedi etc.
Barnes gave an interview after he left for Burnley, in which he stated, "If it had been just about the money I would have stayed ay Brighton". He doesn't say it explicitly but that suggests our offer was more per week than Burnley.
The problem last night was putting the ball in the net, as much as I liked Barnes, he was wasteful in front of goal, I am not convinced he would have made the difference last night.
The only clubs at the top end that we are competing with on a level field are Ipswich and Derby, the rest are overspending or spending parachute payments. You make it sound as though Burke is just sitting on a pile of cash and has not bothered to bring anyone in, that is not the case.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Aldrington Halt[/bold] wrote: They say a bad workman blames his tools..well maybe in this case he's having trouble selecting the right ones? Hard to tell but there seems to be a lack of that something, that bit to the left or to the right which makes a chance into 3 points. A clinical striker, perhaps....UTA[/p][/quote]Problem with comments like yours is it's a typical one of people who need to realise the club is reactive rather than pro active... OG has faults, but the lack of support from the suits is the same as Gus leaving, if you worded OG comments more directly at the club, it would be " I am trying to do my job without the tools" Gus lost the plot after the had traveled to holland to finalise the deal for van dyke ... Club then changed mind over the deal, leaving Gus looking like a idiot. Don't blame OG for selling Barnes , Burke decided he was worth 7k a week and not more. Had we kept Barnes I would be confident we would be in the play offs. PLEASE REMEMEBER OG HAS NO CONTROL OVER THE FIANL SAY IN BRINGING PLAYERS IN,[/p][/quote]If you mean OG does not hold the purse strings, you are of course correct, but even if he did, there is only so much in the purse. This is a tricky time to be making big signings in the Championship, a lot of players are never going to get a pay packet as big as the one they currently receive ever again. There will be clubs suffering next season for overspending and not going up, there will be players looking for fat wages and finding no club can pay it, not for more than one season anyway. As for the club getting cold feet over Van Dijk, I don't know, but Gus had brought in a lot of youth that did not work out, Bergkamp, Agdestein, Baz, Battipiedi etc. Barnes gave an interview after he left for Burnley, in which he stated, "If it had been just about the money I would have stayed ay Brighton". He doesn't say it explicitly but that suggests our offer was more per week than Burnley. The problem last night was putting the ball in the net, as much as I liked Barnes, he was wasteful in front of goal, I am not convinced he would have made the difference last night. The only clubs at the top end that we are competing with on a level field are Ipswich and Derby, the rest are overspending or spending parachute payments. You make it sound as though Burke is just sitting on a pile of cash and has not bothered to bring anyone in, that is not the case. Baldseagull
  • Score: 6

10:01am Wed 26 Mar 14

fratsomrover says...

Since the start of the season we have known we had limited ability up front. With Hoskins and CMS out we only had the ponderous Barnes to play with Ulloa. We've bought in Lita, Obika, Rodriguez, Lingard, Conway, but with the exception of Conway, none have them have delivered v much. Buckley and Lua Lua offer plenty but are inconsistent and only Crofts of the midfield choices offered any threat up front.
39 goals in 37 matches shouts out that the tactics we employ with the players we have at our disposal do not work. We are stuck with the players we have, so change the tactics. How much more evidence do we require to realise our current tactics are not working.
Sean Dyche is a great example of adjusting his tactics to suit the ability of the players he has at his disposal. It can be done.
Since the start of the season we have known we had limited ability up front. With Hoskins and CMS out we only had the ponderous Barnes to play with Ulloa. We've bought in Lita, Obika, Rodriguez, Lingard, Conway, but with the exception of Conway, none have them have delivered v much. Buckley and Lua Lua offer plenty but are inconsistent and only Crofts of the midfield choices offered any threat up front. 39 goals in 37 matches shouts out that the tactics we employ with the players we have at our disposal do not work. We are stuck with the players we have, so change the tactics. How much more evidence do we require to realise our current tactics are not working. Sean Dyche is a great example of adjusting his tactics to suit the ability of the players he has at his disposal. It can be done. fratsomrover
  • Score: 6

10:16am Wed 26 Mar 14

Andrea Orlandigasm says...

The over-reliance on Ulloa is beyond a joke and puts too much pressure on our defence. If we sneak into the play-offs it will say as much about other teams as it does about us. Reading are ordinary and Forest have been on a terrible run but they're still above us.
The over-reliance on Ulloa is beyond a joke and puts too much pressure on our defence. If we sneak into the play-offs it will say as much about other teams as it does about us. Reading are ordinary and Forest have been on a terrible run but they're still above us. Andrea Orlandigasm
  • Score: 8

10:17am Wed 26 Mar 14

Neville says...

There are certainly mixed messages coming from the club,only a few days ago PB was saying the loan market would be used to strengthen if required.
OG wants more strikers but if he had he would not play more than one,lets forget about CMS and WH coming back this season not likely to happen.
Who has been responsible for the Lita,Obika and Agustien fiascos,a combination of DB and OG or NJ ???. A replacement for Barnes should have been sorted at the beginning of the season when it was clear he wasn't going to sign the short contract offered,what has happened to the BCN connections-nothing at all.
OG bite the bullet and play KLL and WB or SM from the start on Saturday anything less than a win is not acceptable. Go for the jugular from the start not after 30 mins plus when we go a goal down, the only way to excite the crowd is with the momentum of attacking football and for once lets see players take on defenders,shoulder responsibility and shoot on target.
I have been a lifelong season ticket holder but I will see what transpires next season but I am not going to pay good money to watch tip tap football in our own half all the time. I suspect the clear out will come end of season and next season will be even harder than this season with at least 2 good sides coming up and down from the 1st div and PL.
There are certainly mixed messages coming from the club,only a few days ago PB was saying the loan market would be used to strengthen if required. OG wants more strikers but if he had he would not play more than one,lets forget about CMS and WH coming back this season not likely to happen. Who has been responsible for the Lita,Obika and Agustien fiascos,a combination of DB and OG or NJ ???. A replacement for Barnes should have been sorted at the beginning of the season when it was clear he wasn't going to sign the short contract offered,what has happened to the BCN connections-nothing at all. OG bite the bullet and play KLL and WB or SM from the start on Saturday anything less than a win is not acceptable. Go for the jugular from the start not after 30 mins plus when we go a goal down, the only way to excite the crowd is with the momentum of attacking football and for once lets see players take on defenders,shoulder responsibility and shoot on target. I have been a lifelong season ticket holder but I will see what transpires next season but I am not going to pay good money to watch tip tap football in our own half all the time. I suspect the clear out will come end of season and next season will be even harder than this season with at least 2 good sides coming up and down from the 1st div and PL. Neville
  • Score: 5

10:24am Wed 26 Mar 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Steveg1958 wrote:
Lack of strikers eh, ! how many have we tried this year ? It seems to me that playing attacking football occasionally might help Oscar, we are ingrained into this sideways and backwards football all the time or "lets stop just over the half way line and go backwards for a bit" to give almost any striker much chance. The poster above is right, when we get the odd chance (because that is all we can create) it must go in Mr Lingard ! Saturday was a case in point stick that 1st chance in Lingard and we are one up and a different game. In addition to our tactic of not wanting to lose overcoming our desire to win we seem to have absolutely no ability to change anything, ad that's down to the coaching staff, Oscar and NJ. It let us down in the FA cup and it will mean we miss the play offs as well. I had better see some positive action in the summer for our next season in the championship otherwise my season tickets will be in severe jeopardy. ! (before all you rose tinted fans criticise, I am a fan of over 40 years but I am likely not to tolerate being bored rigid almost every week, with no plan B or likely excitement at matches).
Your have ex pat armchair after you, I been saying it for months season ticket sales will be hit, lol
Season tickets are still selling well, so your permanent doom-mongering is as ever way off beam.

But Mark, I've now explained to you, what, a dozen times, that I have seen about half the games this season - that's approaching twenty, so I have a very good idea of what happens on the pitch. But it still doesn't sink in through your skull, does it? Regular digs about something you have been constantly corrected on makes you look like an imbecile. Maybe you are an imbecile, I don't know.

Even if I had only watched games online (of which there have been many this season) it makes you an arrogant b****** if you think that unless you watch every single minute of a season from the stands you have no right to an opinion. You will note I have not commented on this game or the Ipswich game, yet you drag me into conversations I am not interested in, so please now just **** off and leave me out of it.

Oh, and if you could please grow up, that would be just lovely.

UTA forever.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Steveg1958[/bold] wrote: Lack of strikers eh, ! how many have we tried this year ? It seems to me that playing attacking football occasionally might help Oscar, we are ingrained into this sideways and backwards football all the time or "lets stop just over the half way line and go backwards for a bit" to give almost any striker much chance. The poster above is right, when we get the odd chance (because that is all we can create) it must go in Mr Lingard ! Saturday was a case in point stick that 1st chance in Lingard and we are one up and a different game. In addition to our tactic of not wanting to lose overcoming our desire to win we seem to have absolutely no ability to change anything, ad that's down to the coaching staff, Oscar and NJ. It let us down in the FA cup and it will mean we miss the play offs as well. I had better see some positive action in the summer for our next season in the championship otherwise my season tickets will be in severe jeopardy. ! (before all you rose tinted fans criticise, I am a fan of over 40 years but I am likely not to tolerate being bored rigid almost every week, with no plan B or likely excitement at matches).[/p][/quote]Your have ex pat armchair after you, I been saying it for months season ticket sales will be hit, lol[/p][/quote]Season tickets are still selling well, so your permanent doom-mongering is as ever way off beam. But Mark, I've now explained to you, what, a dozen times, that I have seen about half the games this season - that's approaching twenty, so I have a very good idea of what happens on the pitch. But it still doesn't sink in through your skull, does it? Regular digs about something you have been constantly corrected on makes you look like an imbecile. Maybe you are an imbecile, I don't know. Even if I had only watched games online (of which there have been many this season) it makes you an arrogant b****** if you think that unless you watch every single minute of a season from the stands you have no right to an opinion. You will note I have not commented on this game or the Ipswich game, yet you drag me into conversations I am not interested in, so please now just **** off and leave me out of it. Oh, and if you could please grow up, that would be just lovely. UTA forever. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: -7

10:36am Wed 26 Mar 14

Brighton Bill says...

Far gull wrote:
This is a formation issue not lack of strikers Oscar. Am annoyed at this comment . Stop playing two defensive midfielders. You are not learning! Start with two wingers not one. Season all but over now so why worry. You will probably try it now.
The problem you have been struggling with all season.... Is of your own making. Yes injuries have not helped and poor transfer window activity( not all your fault)
Summer holidays bekon. Perhaps it is time for club to offer longer contracts too our best players while we are at it ,it may tempt them to stay and encourage them to help us get promoted.
All we get is pathetic excuses from Oscar, admit it you do NOT have a Plan B, you do NOT know when to use your Substitutes in fact you haven't a clue. We were a joke last night and we are NOT going anywhere with you in charge..
[quote][p][bold]Far gull[/bold] wrote: This is a formation issue not lack of strikers Oscar. Am annoyed at this comment . Stop playing two defensive midfielders. You are not learning! Start with two wingers not one. Season all but over now so why worry. You will probably try it now. The problem you have been struggling with all season.... Is of your own making. Yes injuries have not helped and poor transfer window activity( not all your fault) Summer holidays bekon. Perhaps it is time for club to offer longer contracts too our best players while we are at it ,it may tempt them to stay and encourage them to help us get promoted.[/p][/quote]All we get is pathetic excuses from Oscar, admit it you do NOT have a Plan B, you do NOT know when to use your Substitutes in fact you haven't a clue. We were a joke last night and we are NOT going anywhere with you in charge.. Brighton Bill
  • Score: 1

10:45am Wed 26 Mar 14

Albion In Staffs says...

Brighton Bill wrote:
Far gull wrote:
This is a formation issue not lack of strikers Oscar. Am annoyed at this comment . Stop playing two defensive midfielders. You are not learning! Start with two wingers not one. Season all but over now so why worry. You will probably try it now.
The problem you have been struggling with all season.... Is of your own making. Yes injuries have not helped and poor transfer window activity( not all your fault)
Summer holidays bekon. Perhaps it is time for club to offer longer contracts too our best players while we are at it ,it may tempt them to stay and encourage them to help us get promoted.
All we get is pathetic excuses from Oscar, admit it you do NOT have a Plan B, you do NOT know when to use your Substitutes in fact you haven't a clue. We were a joke last night and we are NOT going anywhere with you in charge..
I'd suggest it's more a case that he doesn't have the players to implement a plan B nor necessarily the confidence in those he does have to make a significant impact from the bench?
As said earlier, the arrivals through the season have largely been a case of sticking plasters over open wounds. The acid test will be in the summer when he can manipulate a squad he's had ample time to accurately assess.
The squad is simply not good enough.
[quote][p][bold]Brighton Bill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Far gull[/bold] wrote: This is a formation issue not lack of strikers Oscar. Am annoyed at this comment . Stop playing two defensive midfielders. You are not learning! Start with two wingers not one. Season all but over now so why worry. You will probably try it now. The problem you have been struggling with all season.... Is of your own making. Yes injuries have not helped and poor transfer window activity( not all your fault) Summer holidays bekon. Perhaps it is time for club to offer longer contracts too our best players while we are at it ,it may tempt them to stay and encourage them to help us get promoted.[/p][/quote]All we get is pathetic excuses from Oscar, admit it you do NOT have a Plan B, you do NOT know when to use your Substitutes in fact you haven't a clue. We were a joke last night and we are NOT going anywhere with you in charge..[/p][/quote]I'd suggest it's more a case that he doesn't have the players to implement a plan B nor necessarily the confidence in those he does have to make a significant impact from the bench? As said earlier, the arrivals through the season have largely been a case of sticking plasters over open wounds. The acid test will be in the summer when he can manipulate a squad he's had ample time to accurately assess. The squad is simply not good enough. Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 2

10:51am Wed 26 Mar 14

Joel'sGrandad says...

Who could have forecast that Leo would go down sick with a few other players and that Bruno would drop a clanger and lose us the game with no chance to recover. Defensively we're one of the best in the league but in attack we're very poor mainly due to lack of quality(Leo excepted), our injury situation and the system we play.
I've posted before that we need to get the ball from back to front much quicker and get that element of surprise before the opposition defence can get organised. When I say much quicker I mean a whole lot quicker. Maybe we don't have the quality to play Oscar's system.
It's not too late but we need to find form quickly because we can't afford to drop too many more points.
It seems a long time since we beat QPR but they've come back strongly and we must do the same. UTA
Who could have forecast that Leo would go down sick with a few other players and that Bruno would drop a clanger and lose us the game with no chance to recover. Defensively we're one of the best in the league but in attack we're very poor mainly due to lack of quality(Leo excepted), our injury situation and the system we play. I've posted before that we need to get the ball from back to front much quicker and get that element of surprise before the opposition defence can get organised. When I say much quicker I mean a whole lot quicker. Maybe we don't have the quality to play Oscar's system. It's not too late but we need to find form quickly because we can't afford to drop too many more points. It seems a long time since we beat QPR but they've come back strongly and we must do the same. UTA Joel'sGrandad
  • Score: 1

11:33am Wed 26 Mar 14

brightonfan34 says...

Oscar Garcia comes here and says he wants to play attacking football but where is the attacking football and i feel we are too defensive and to predictable and we need to start moving the ball at a higher tempo and not at snails pace
Oscar Garcia comes here and says he wants to play attacking football but where is the attacking football and i feel we are too defensive and to predictable and we need to start moving the ball at a higher tempo and not at snails pace brightonfan34
  • Score: 7

11:33am Wed 26 Mar 14

russellsnr2 says...

SecondReserve wrote:
Those of us who have supported the Albion for more years than we care to remember obviously want to see a winning team but we also want to see some excitement and some goals. Basically football is an entertainment and nowadays a pretty expensive one. But 39 goals in 37 matches, always playing 2 defensive (non-goalscoring) midfielders and insisting on playing only one up front is producing neither excitement nor goals. Why can't we get a decent loan striker - this season we've had a succession of loan strikers, none of whom has been a success. Lita, Obika, Rodriguez, Lingard. Not too many league goals from those four.

The current situation seems to be becoming more reminiscent by the day of what happened in the early 1980s. Alan Mullery's team played exciting football but when Mullery left in 1981 we appointed Mike Bailey. He briefly got us to our highest ever position in the top division but he kept selling players and bringing in lesser ones, the football was extremely boring and many fans voted with their feet and stayed away and as a result Bailey was sacked.

I have serious doubts as to whether Garcia and Jones are up to managing a team supposedly aiming for the Premiership and they are serving up what is very boring, defensive and negative football. Deja vu?
Hi, Yes I remember those days and even before and the one thing our club has always seemed to do is be there or thereabouts until the season end bringing in for those days of div 3 good crowds at the Goldstone but the one big difference from then to now is we had a manager to manage and a first aid man to fix the injured, today we have two people vying to make a decision who should play and who and when substitutions should happen and we all no what happens with to many cooks?
[quote][p][bold]SecondReserve[/bold] wrote: Those of us who have supported the Albion for more years than we care to remember obviously want to see a winning team but we also want to see some excitement and some goals. Basically football is an entertainment and nowadays a pretty expensive one. But 39 goals in 37 matches, always playing 2 defensive (non-goalscoring) midfielders and insisting on playing only one up front is producing neither excitement nor goals. Why can't we get a decent loan striker - this season we've had a succession of loan strikers, none of whom has been a success. Lita, Obika, Rodriguez, Lingard. Not too many league goals from those four. The current situation seems to be becoming more reminiscent by the day of what happened in the early 1980s. Alan Mullery's team played exciting football but when Mullery left in 1981 we appointed Mike Bailey. He briefly got us to our highest ever position in the top division but he kept selling players and bringing in lesser ones, the football was extremely boring and many fans voted with their feet and stayed away and as a result Bailey was sacked. I have serious doubts as to whether Garcia and Jones are up to managing a team supposedly aiming for the Premiership and they are serving up what is very boring, defensive and negative football. Deja vu?[/p][/quote]Hi, Yes I remember those days and even before and the one thing our club has always seemed to do is be there or thereabouts until the season end bringing in for those days of div 3 good crowds at the Goldstone but the one big difference from then to now is we had a manager to manage and a first aid man to fix the injured, today we have two people vying to make a decision who should play and who and when substitutions should happen and we all no what happens with to many cooks? russellsnr2
  • Score: 0

11:46am Wed 26 Mar 14

Steveg1958 says...

SecondReserve wrote:
Those of us who have supported the Albion for more years than we care to remember obviously want to see a winning team but we also want to see some excitement and some goals. Basically football is an entertainment and nowadays a pretty expensive one. But 39 goals in 37 matches, always playing 2 defensive (non-goalscoring) midfielders and insisting on playing only one up front is producing neither excitement nor goals. Why can't we get a decent loan striker - this season we've had a succession of loan strikers, none of whom has been a success. Lita, Obika, Rodriguez, Lingard. Not too many league goals from those four.

The current situation seems to be becoming more reminiscent by the day of what happened in the early 1980s. Alan Mullery's team played exciting football but when Mullery left in 1981 we appointed Mike Bailey. He briefly got us to our highest ever position in the top division but he kept selling players and bringing in lesser ones, the football was extremely boring and many fans voted with their feet and stayed away and as a result Bailey was sacked.

I have serious doubts as to whether Garcia and Jones are up to managing a team supposedly aiming for the Premiership and they are serving up what is very boring, defensive and negative football. Deja vu?
Exactly my point, I too was reminded about Mike Bailey, his brand of Footie bored me rigid, and our current regime seem to be going the same way, still we can all enjoy the hotel when its built.
[quote][p][bold]SecondReserve[/bold] wrote: Those of us who have supported the Albion for more years than we care to remember obviously want to see a winning team but we also want to see some excitement and some goals. Basically football is an entertainment and nowadays a pretty expensive one. But 39 goals in 37 matches, always playing 2 defensive (non-goalscoring) midfielders and insisting on playing only one up front is producing neither excitement nor goals. Why can't we get a decent loan striker - this season we've had a succession of loan strikers, none of whom has been a success. Lita, Obika, Rodriguez, Lingard. Not too many league goals from those four. The current situation seems to be becoming more reminiscent by the day of what happened in the early 1980s. Alan Mullery's team played exciting football but when Mullery left in 1981 we appointed Mike Bailey. He briefly got us to our highest ever position in the top division but he kept selling players and bringing in lesser ones, the football was extremely boring and many fans voted with their feet and stayed away and as a result Bailey was sacked. I have serious doubts as to whether Garcia and Jones are up to managing a team supposedly aiming for the Premiership and they are serving up what is very boring, defensive and negative football. Deja vu?[/p][/quote]Exactly my point, I too was reminded about Mike Bailey, his brand of Footie bored me rigid, and our current regime seem to be going the same way, still we can all enjoy the hotel when its built. Steveg1958
  • Score: 1

12:29pm Wed 26 Mar 14

CantUseNSCatWork says...

39 goals in 37 games does not make promotion / play-off form. You have to go right down to Blackpool in 18th to find a team who have scored fewer goals than us!

Getting very frustrated with our current habit of dominating games, playing some lovely stuff right up the pitch until we get to the 18 yard area but then nobody seems to know what to do when they get there.

Here's an idea. SOMEBODY SHOOT!
39 goals in 37 games does not make promotion / play-off form. You have to go right down to Blackpool in 18th to find a team who have scored fewer goals than us! Getting very frustrated with our current habit of dominating games, playing some lovely stuff right up the pitch until we get to the 18 yard area but then nobody seems to know what to do when they get there. Here's an idea. SOMEBODY SHOOT! CantUseNSCatWork
  • Score: 4

12:31pm Wed 26 Mar 14

Tommy11 says...

Before the Ipswich game we were 5 points ahead of them – I thought we would win, gain an 8 point advantage and create a gap. They are now 1 point ahead of us! Talk about balls up!

But, saying this as I have said all along – we ARE NOT good enough and we deserve to be where we are (in fact I do believe we are slightly fortunate not to be mid-table). After the QPR game I got slammed on this site for stating that even know we won, I thought we were lucky as I did not think we played well. Time and time again I have stated that I think the wheels will come off at some stage as I think they have half been hanging off all season! Because we have only played well on a handful of occasions. People on this site are still getting far too carried away about the thought of play offs. I keep reading people’s comments saying ‘ were still in it’ ‘ there is still a chance’ etc etc..but do we really want to be? We’re not good enough people – all season we have been very mediocre to say the least.

The problem? It’s because we have a very very mediocre and limited manager/coach. I do blame Garcia for our poor performances. He has no plan B, plays the same tactics week & week out and picks players that should not be playing or out of position. We have to stop blaming injury’s & lack of signings, it’s all getting very boring (like our displays). In regards to signing - where is his contacts? Surely he has a say in part of this? I know the system has changed now – but I don’t buy the whole idea that Burke simply says to Garcia “Here is a player I got for you - use him!” as this will never work, and it’s just ridiculous! His whole approach to media work and even out on the touchline is becoming increasingly more worrying. He just seems like a bloke who is out of his depth or comfort zone. I hate when people say ‘It’s because he is not a manager’ – well step back then!!!

We do need to act in the summer. This season will go – please Albion fans let it go and think about next season. That is the main concern!! We need something to change within the team, as many fans have said – the crowds will fall. I still go to every home game, and a good few away too (I’m even going to Barnsley) but I’m starting to enjoy the days out of football – rather than the football itself at the moment, as it’s just so so SO tedious to watch! The best bit is having a few drinks with my family & pals before/ after each game!!! The bit in the middle I just forget about half the time!

Please Tony Bloom, can you have a good review in the summer? As I and a lot of BHA die hards are not happy with the way things are going.

Something needs to give.
Before the Ipswich game we were 5 points ahead of them – I thought we would win, gain an 8 point advantage and create a gap. They are now 1 point ahead of us! Talk about balls up! But, saying this as I have said all along – we ARE NOT good enough and we deserve to be where we are (in fact I do believe we are slightly fortunate not to be mid-table). After the QPR game I got slammed on this site for stating that even know we won, I thought we were lucky as I did not think we played well. Time and time again I have stated that I think the wheels will come off at some stage as I think they have half been hanging off all season! Because we have only played well on a handful of occasions. People on this site are still getting far too carried away about the thought of play offs. I keep reading people’s comments saying ‘ were still in it’ ‘ there is still a chance’ etc etc..but do we really want to be? We’re not good enough people – all season we have been very mediocre to say the least. The problem? It’s because we have a very very mediocre and limited manager/coach. I do blame Garcia for our poor performances. He has no plan B, plays the same tactics week & week out and picks players that should not be playing or out of position. We have to stop blaming injury’s & lack of signings, it’s all getting very boring (like our displays). In regards to signing - where is his contacts? Surely he has a say in part of this? I know the system has changed now – but I don’t buy the whole idea that Burke simply says to Garcia “Here is a player I got for you - use him!” as this will never work, and it’s just ridiculous! His whole approach to media work and even out on the touchline is becoming increasingly more worrying. He just seems like a bloke who is out of his depth or comfort zone. I hate when people say ‘It’s because he is not a manager’ – well step back then!!! We do need to act in the summer. This season will go – please Albion fans let it go and think about next season. That is the main concern!! We need something to change within the team, as many fans have said – the crowds will fall. I still go to every home game, and a good few away too (I’m even going to Barnsley) but I’m starting to enjoy the days out of football – rather than the football itself at the moment, as it’s just so so SO tedious to watch! The best bit is having a few drinks with my family & pals before/ after each game!!! The bit in the middle I just forget about half the time! Please Tony Bloom, can you have a good review in the summer? As I and a lot of BHA die hards are not happy with the way things are going. Something needs to give. Tommy11
  • Score: 12

12:42pm Wed 26 Mar 14

VegasSeagull says...

I think it's pssible that a slight msunderstanding of what Oscar is saying has taken place. When Oscar says that we have been short of striker options I don't think he is talking about pure numbers, as many have said, we have borrowed so called strikers so talking in just numbers we have had enough actual people.
The issue as I see it is not one of being short on bodies, it one of those bodies not doing what they were brought in to do. If the definition of a striker is a player who's place on the park is a forward position and one that scores goals, then Oscar is right, we only have one and for this season, in all honesty we have only ever had one.

The numbers tell us that we have created goal scoring chances, and what ever system we play counts for nothing if those charged with scoring fail to do so. One up front or two or one wide player or two, what difference does it make if the attempts are not on target. When you register over 20 shots but only 3 are on target, how can you expect to win on a regular basis. Whether anyone likes or dislikes the way Oscar has the lads playing the fact is, shots are being taken, and plenty of them, it's that lack of skill displayed by those taking the shots that does not match that of Ulloa, hence, we are short on striker options.

Oscar has not been looking for cover for Ulloa, what he wanted was a second Ulloa and the move for the lad from Bournemouth proves that. Had that transfer come to fruition the lad would not have been sitting on the bench hoping to get 20 or 30 minutes toward the end of the game, that's not what a million plus proven striker is brought in for, no more than Ulloa would have been dropped to make way for him.
None of us know who made the decision to bring in the likes of Obika and Lita, or who decided to sign Rodriguez. It's too easy to say that those that didn't pan out must have been chosen by the suits but the move for the Bournemouth lad, a proven goal scorer must have been an Oscar target and the same for Conway. The simple fact is, we have what we have and for this season what we have will not change.

The measure of Oscar in the transfer market will be known once this season is done and dusted, and the measure of the suits will also become apparent by the backing Oscar gets come the summer window. We are still firmly in the mix for a play off place but even if we get there, we will still only have one accomplshed striker, and that as Oscar says, isn't enough. Ulloa keeps scoring we get to the playoffs, he then has to continue to score for us to get promoted, way too much dependecy on one lad.
The only help Ulloa can get this season is for others to chip in with some goals, our back four win virtually nothing from set peices in terms of goals, it's about time they did. The midfield, in the absense of Crofts, are woefully short in terms of goals scored, JFC, Stephens, Andrews and Ince, combined how many have they scored in the last 10 matches.

Given our injury plagued season some might say, and I am one who would, a top 8 finish would be a respectable season and far from a failure.
I think it's pssible that a slight msunderstanding of what Oscar is saying has taken place. When Oscar says that we have been short of striker options I don't think he is talking about pure numbers, as many have said, we have borrowed so called strikers so talking in just numbers we have had enough actual people. The issue as I see it is not one of being short on bodies, it one of those bodies not doing what they were brought in to do. If the definition of a striker is a player who's place on the park is a forward position and one that scores goals, then Oscar is right, we only have one and for this season, in all honesty we have only ever had one. The numbers tell us that we have created goal scoring chances, and what ever system we play counts for nothing if those charged with scoring fail to do so. One up front or two or one wide player or two, what difference does it make if the attempts are not on target. When you register over 20 shots but only 3 are on target, how can you expect to win on a regular basis. Whether anyone likes or dislikes the way Oscar has the lads playing the fact is, shots are being taken, and plenty of them, it's that lack of skill displayed by those taking the shots that does not match that of Ulloa, hence, we are short on striker options. Oscar has not been looking for cover for Ulloa, what he wanted was a second Ulloa and the move for the lad from Bournemouth proves that. Had that transfer come to fruition the lad would not have been sitting on the bench hoping to get 20 or 30 minutes toward the end of the game, that's not what a million plus proven striker is brought in for, no more than Ulloa would have been dropped to make way for him. None of us know who made the decision to bring in the likes of Obika and Lita, or who decided to sign Rodriguez. It's too easy to say that those that didn't pan out must have been chosen by the suits but the move for the Bournemouth lad, a proven goal scorer must have been an Oscar target and the same for Conway. The simple fact is, we have what we have and for this season what we have will not change. The measure of Oscar in the transfer market will be known once this season is done and dusted, and the measure of the suits will also become apparent by the backing Oscar gets come the summer window. We are still firmly in the mix for a play off place but even if we get there, we will still only have one accomplshed striker, and that as Oscar says, isn't enough. Ulloa keeps scoring we get to the playoffs, he then has to continue to score for us to get promoted, way too much dependecy on one lad. The only help Ulloa can get this season is for others to chip in with some goals, our back four win virtually nothing from set peices in terms of goals, it's about time they did. The midfield, in the absense of Crofts, are woefully short in terms of goals scored, JFC, Stephens, Andrews and Ince, combined how many have they scored in the last 10 matches. Given our injury plagued season some might say, and I am one who would, a top 8 finish would be a respectable season and far from a failure. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 0

2:07pm Wed 26 Mar 14

Claude Back says...

SecondReserve wrote:
Those of us who have supported the Albion for more years than we care to remember obviously want to see a winning team but we also want to see some excitement and some goals. Basically football is an entertainment and nowadays a pretty expensive one. But 39 goals in 37 matches, always playing 2 defensive (non-goalscoring) midfielders and insisting on playing only one up front is producing neither excitement nor goals. Why can't we get a decent loan striker - this season we've had a succession of loan strikers, none of whom has been a success. Lita, Obika, Rodriguez, Lingard. Not too many league goals from those four.

The current situation seems to be becoming more reminiscent by the day of what happened in the early 1980s. Alan Mullery's team played exciting football but when Mullery left in 1981 we appointed Mike Bailey. He briefly got us to our highest ever position in the top division but he kept selling players and bringing in lesser ones, the football was extremely boring and many fans voted with their feet and stayed away and as a result Bailey was sacked.

I have serious doubts as to whether Garcia and Jones are up to managing a team supposedly aiming for the Premiership and they are serving up what is very boring, defensive and negative football. Deja vu?
Very good.
I had the same thoughts about Bailey etc and at the moment don't see Jones as a Premiership in waiting Asst Manager. Perhaps I do him a disservice and he has latent qualities but it does not appear that way from my present view point.
[quote][p][bold]SecondReserve[/bold] wrote: Those of us who have supported the Albion for more years than we care to remember obviously want to see a winning team but we also want to see some excitement and some goals. Basically football is an entertainment and nowadays a pretty expensive one. But 39 goals in 37 matches, always playing 2 defensive (non-goalscoring) midfielders and insisting on playing only one up front is producing neither excitement nor goals. Why can't we get a decent loan striker - this season we've had a succession of loan strikers, none of whom has been a success. Lita, Obika, Rodriguez, Lingard. Not too many league goals from those four. The current situation seems to be becoming more reminiscent by the day of what happened in the early 1980s. Alan Mullery's team played exciting football but when Mullery left in 1981 we appointed Mike Bailey. He briefly got us to our highest ever position in the top division but he kept selling players and bringing in lesser ones, the football was extremely boring and many fans voted with their feet and stayed away and as a result Bailey was sacked. I have serious doubts as to whether Garcia and Jones are up to managing a team supposedly aiming for the Premiership and they are serving up what is very boring, defensive and negative football. Deja vu?[/p][/quote]Very good. I had the same thoughts about Bailey etc and at the moment don't see Jones as a Premiership in waiting Asst Manager. Perhaps I do him a disservice and he has latent qualities but it does not appear that way from my present view point. Claude Back
  • Score: 3

2:25pm Wed 26 Mar 14

Claude Back says...

Tommy11 wrote:
Before the Ipswich game we were 5 points ahead of them – I thought we would win, gain an 8 point advantage and create a gap. They are now 1 point ahead of us! Talk about balls up!

But, saying this as I have said all along – we ARE NOT good enough and we deserve to be where we are (in fact I do believe we are slightly fortunate not to be mid-table). After the QPR game I got slammed on this site for stating that even know we won, I thought we were lucky as I did not think we played well. Time and time again I have stated that I think the wheels will come off at some stage as I think they have half been hanging off all season! Because we have only played well on a handful of occasions. People on this site are still getting far too carried away about the thought of play offs. I keep reading people’s comments saying ‘ were still in it’ ‘ there is still a chance’ etc etc..but do we really want to be? We’re not good enough people – all season we have been very mediocre to say the least.

The problem? It’s because we have a very very mediocre and limited manager/coach. I do blame Garcia for our poor performances. He has no plan B, plays the same tactics week & week out and picks players that should not be playing or out of position. We have to stop blaming injury’s & lack of signings, it’s all getting very boring (like our displays). In regards to signing - where is his contacts? Surely he has a say in part of this? I know the system has changed now – but I don’t buy the whole idea that Burke simply says to Garcia “Here is a player I got for you - use him!” as this will never work, and it’s just ridiculous! His whole approach to media work and even out on the touchline is becoming increasingly more worrying. He just seems like a bloke who is out of his depth or comfort zone. I hate when people say ‘It’s because he is not a manager’ – well step back then!!!

We do need to act in the summer. This season will go – please Albion fans let it go and think about next season. That is the main concern!! We need something to change within the team, as many fans have said – the crowds will fall. I still go to every home game, and a good few away too (I’m even going to Barnsley) but I’m starting to enjoy the days out of football – rather than the football itself at the moment, as it’s just so so SO tedious to watch! The best bit is having a few drinks with my family & pals before/ after each game!!! The bit in the middle I just forget about half the time!

Please Tony Bloom, can you have a good review in the summer? As I and a lot of BHA die hards are not happy with the way things are going.

Something needs to give.
Exemplary post...in my view.
I think you are in the majority, Tommy, although there will be a few dissenters, mostly from those living outside Sussex (but not all) for some curious reason which I cannot quite fathom yet. Still, one man's meat etc I suppose.
[quote][p][bold]Tommy11[/bold] wrote: Before the Ipswich game we were 5 points ahead of them – I thought we would win, gain an 8 point advantage and create a gap. They are now 1 point ahead of us! Talk about balls up! But, saying this as I have said all along – we ARE NOT good enough and we deserve to be where we are (in fact I do believe we are slightly fortunate not to be mid-table). After the QPR game I got slammed on this site for stating that even know we won, I thought we were lucky as I did not think we played well. Time and time again I have stated that I think the wheels will come off at some stage as I think they have half been hanging off all season! Because we have only played well on a handful of occasions. People on this site are still getting far too carried away about the thought of play offs. I keep reading people’s comments saying ‘ were still in it’ ‘ there is still a chance’ etc etc..but do we really want to be? We’re not good enough people – all season we have been very mediocre to say the least. The problem? It’s because we have a very very mediocre and limited manager/coach. I do blame Garcia for our poor performances. He has no plan B, plays the same tactics week & week out and picks players that should not be playing or out of position. We have to stop blaming injury’s & lack of signings, it’s all getting very boring (like our displays). In regards to signing - where is his contacts? Surely he has a say in part of this? I know the system has changed now – but I don’t buy the whole idea that Burke simply says to Garcia “Here is a player I got for you - use him!” as this will never work, and it’s just ridiculous! His whole approach to media work and even out on the touchline is becoming increasingly more worrying. He just seems like a bloke who is out of his depth or comfort zone. I hate when people say ‘It’s because he is not a manager’ – well step back then!!! We do need to act in the summer. This season will go – please Albion fans let it go and think about next season. That is the main concern!! We need something to change within the team, as many fans have said – the crowds will fall. I still go to every home game, and a good few away too (I’m even going to Barnsley) but I’m starting to enjoy the days out of football – rather than the football itself at the moment, as it’s just so so SO tedious to watch! The best bit is having a few drinks with my family & pals before/ after each game!!! The bit in the middle I just forget about half the time! Please Tony Bloom, can you have a good review in the summer? As I and a lot of BHA die hards are not happy with the way things are going. Something needs to give.[/p][/quote]Exemplary post...in my view. I think you are in the majority, Tommy, although there will be a few dissenters, mostly from those living outside Sussex (but not all) for some curious reason which I cannot quite fathom yet. Still, one man's meat etc I suppose. Claude Back
  • Score: 2

2:36pm Wed 26 Mar 14

VegasSeagull says...

Claude Back wrote:
SecondReserve wrote:
Those of us who have supported the Albion for more years than we care to remember obviously want to see a winning team but we also want to see some excitement and some goals. Basically football is an entertainment and nowadays a pretty expensive one. But 39 goals in 37 matches, always playing 2 defensive (non-goalscoring) midfielders and insisting on playing only one up front is producing neither excitement nor goals. Why can't we get a decent loan striker - this season we've had a succession of loan strikers, none of whom has been a success. Lita, Obika, Rodriguez, Lingard. Not too many league goals from those four.

The current situation seems to be becoming more reminiscent by the day of what happened in the early 1980s. Alan Mullery's team played exciting football but when Mullery left in 1981 we appointed Mike Bailey. He briefly got us to our highest ever position in the top division but he kept selling players and bringing in lesser ones, the football was extremely boring and many fans voted with their feet and stayed away and as a result Bailey was sacked.

I have serious doubts as to whether Garcia and Jones are up to managing a team supposedly aiming for the Premiership and they are serving up what is very boring, defensive and negative football. Deja vu?
Very good.
I had the same thoughts about Bailey etc and at the moment don't see Jones as a Premiership in waiting Asst Manager. Perhaps I do him a disservice and he has latent qualities but it does not appear that way from my present view point.
I am not overly interested in the role of Jones, he is an assistant head coach/manager, and is there to, 'assist,' Oscar. Part of his duties may well include helping wth the language barrier to the extent that it exists, he is also there to help share the load that is Oscar's, but as an, 'assistent,' he isn't there to make decisions, that is for Oscar to do. Jones, we know was appointed by the club, and even though Oscar accepted this appointment Jones was not 'chosen,' by Oscar, it might be that next year Oscar might want to bring in someone else.
I think to a certain extent the role of Jones has been somewhat over stated, he may well have offered an opinion on certain players that have come in, but the final decision would have come from Oscar or the suits, or a combination of both.
Imposing an assistant upon Oscar is not unlike imposing loanees, those that made the decisions think and hope that their decisions prove to be good ones, but only time answers the question of whether or not they were. If Jones did indeed have a big influence on some of the arrivals that proved to be unwise, Oscar might well feel the need to ask for his removal and to be allowed to select his owm man. I am not having a pop at Jones, I am simply suggesting that maybe Oscar would prefer to work with his own choice of assistant once he has completed a year in British football.
[quote][p][bold]Claude Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SecondReserve[/bold] wrote: Those of us who have supported the Albion for more years than we care to remember obviously want to see a winning team but we also want to see some excitement and some goals. Basically football is an entertainment and nowadays a pretty expensive one. But 39 goals in 37 matches, always playing 2 defensive (non-goalscoring) midfielders and insisting on playing only one up front is producing neither excitement nor goals. Why can't we get a decent loan striker - this season we've had a succession of loan strikers, none of whom has been a success. Lita, Obika, Rodriguez, Lingard. Not too many league goals from those four. The current situation seems to be becoming more reminiscent by the day of what happened in the early 1980s. Alan Mullery's team played exciting football but when Mullery left in 1981 we appointed Mike Bailey. He briefly got us to our highest ever position in the top division but he kept selling players and bringing in lesser ones, the football was extremely boring and many fans voted with their feet and stayed away and as a result Bailey was sacked. I have serious doubts as to whether Garcia and Jones are up to managing a team supposedly aiming for the Premiership and they are serving up what is very boring, defensive and negative football. Deja vu?[/p][/quote]Very good. I had the same thoughts about Bailey etc and at the moment don't see Jones as a Premiership in waiting Asst Manager. Perhaps I do him a disservice and he has latent qualities but it does not appear that way from my present view point.[/p][/quote]I am not overly interested in the role of Jones, he is an assistant head coach/manager, and is there to, 'assist,' Oscar. Part of his duties may well include helping wth the language barrier to the extent that it exists, he is also there to help share the load that is Oscar's, but as an, 'assistent,' he isn't there to make decisions, that is for Oscar to do. Jones, we know was appointed by the club, and even though Oscar accepted this appointment Jones was not 'chosen,' by Oscar, it might be that next year Oscar might want to bring in someone else. I think to a certain extent the role of Jones has been somewhat over stated, he may well have offered an opinion on certain players that have come in, but the final decision would have come from Oscar or the suits, or a combination of both. Imposing an assistant upon Oscar is not unlike imposing loanees, those that made the decisions think and hope that their decisions prove to be good ones, but only time answers the question of whether or not they were. If Jones did indeed have a big influence on some of the arrivals that proved to be unwise, Oscar might well feel the need to ask for his removal and to be allowed to select his owm man. I am not having a pop at Jones, I am simply suggesting that maybe Oscar would prefer to work with his own choice of assistant once he has completed a year in British football. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 1

3:12pm Wed 26 Mar 14

Baldseagull says...

I see whinging about no Plan B, but it was in effect last night, they pressed high, we went over the top, created a hand full of good chances but did not score. Plan A came back a bit second half, less chances but we were still on top. One slip up and Best did what he does, if he had been playing for us he would have had a hat trick.
We lack strikers, that is all, we tried to sign one, it fell through. Loans come with conditions and other clubs closer geographically to the parent club have an advantage, we have tried to get them but we are sticking to the budget where others are not, if FFP punishments are enforced as stated, we will be laughing next season at those that snatched targets from under our noses by trumping our offer with cash they have not got.
I see whinging about no Plan B, but it was in effect last night, they pressed high, we went over the top, created a hand full of good chances but did not score. Plan A came back a bit second half, less chances but we were still on top. One slip up and Best did what he does, if he had been playing for us he would have had a hat trick. We lack strikers, that is all, we tried to sign one, it fell through. Loans come with conditions and other clubs closer geographically to the parent club have an advantage, we have tried to get them but we are sticking to the budget where others are not, if FFP punishments are enforced as stated, we will be laughing next season at those that snatched targets from under our noses by trumping our offer with cash they have not got. Baldseagull
  • Score: 3

3:23pm Wed 26 Mar 14

ballantrrae says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Also remember cms and Hoskins are not cetre forwards but play off a target man... I said we were light up front if ulloa was missing.
Mark BTS you make some good points both in this brief post and in your previous one on this thread.
If we want to get to the play-offs then we can't just rely on Ulloa being available. As has been pointed out, with Barnes we had at least one striker who could lead the line when Ulloa was absent. I see that in today's Argus that Oscar states that we won't be signing a striker on loan in the next day or so before the window closes. I also notice that he is not factoring in either Hoskins or CMS into his Plans..
Since Rodriguez is clearly seen as a 'wide' player the only other (potential) striker we have is Lingard (he played in the Ulloa role last night). Since Lingard does not seem to consider himself an out and out striker the club really does need to bring in another however difficult that might be.
With our resources stretched both upfront and in midfield one can see our play-off aspirations fading away but hope I am proved wrong.
Whatever happens over the next 9 games I very much trust that Oscar has taken all the lessons he will have learnt this season on board (score more goals) and begins to set his plans in motion for next season so that we are properly prepared for it. If we are still in the Championship we will need to hit the ground running to make it feasible for the club to achieve an automatic promotion spot.
Finally lets hope we can find the net a couple of times at least on Saturday - we have drawn a blank in both of the last two games.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: Also remember cms and Hoskins are not cetre forwards but play off a target man... I said we were light up front if ulloa was missing.[/p][/quote]Mark BTS you make some good points both in this brief post and in your previous one on this thread. If we want to get to the play-offs then we can't just rely on Ulloa being available. As has been pointed out, with Barnes we had at least one striker who could lead the line when Ulloa was absent. I see that in today's Argus that Oscar states that we won't be signing a striker on loan in the next day or so before the window closes. I also notice that he is not factoring in either Hoskins or CMS into his Plans.. Since Rodriguez is clearly seen as a 'wide' player the only other (potential) striker we have is Lingard (he played in the Ulloa role last night). Since Lingard does not seem to consider himself an out and out striker the club really does need to bring in another however difficult that might be. With our resources stretched both upfront and in midfield one can see our play-off aspirations fading away but hope I am proved wrong. Whatever happens over the next 9 games I very much trust that Oscar has taken all the lessons he will have learnt this season on board (score more goals) and begins to set his plans in motion for next season so that we are properly prepared for it. If we are still in the Championship we will need to hit the ground running to make it feasible for the club to achieve an automatic promotion spot. Finally lets hope we can find the net a couple of times at least on Saturday - we have drawn a blank in both of the last two games. ballantrrae
  • Score: 3

4:11pm Wed 26 Mar 14

VegasSeagull says...

ballantrrae wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Also remember cms and Hoskins are not cetre forwards but play off a target man... I said we were light up front if ulloa was missing.
Mark BTS you make some good points both in this brief post and in your previous one on this thread.
If we want to get to the play-offs then we can't just rely on Ulloa being available. As has been pointed out, with Barnes we had at least one striker who could lead the line when Ulloa was absent. I see that in today's Argus that Oscar states that we won't be signing a striker on loan in the next day or so before the window closes. I also notice that he is not factoring in either Hoskins or CMS into his Plans..
Since Rodriguez is clearly seen as a 'wide' player the only other (potential) striker we have is Lingard (he played in the Ulloa role last night). Since Lingard does not seem to consider himself an out and out striker the club really does need to bring in another however difficult that might be.
With our resources stretched both upfront and in midfield one can see our play-off aspirations fading away but hope I am proved wrong.
Whatever happens over the next 9 games I very much trust that Oscar has taken all the lessons he will have learnt this season on board (score more goals) and begins to set his plans in motion for next season so that we are properly prepared for it. If we are still in the Championship we will need to hit the ground running to make it feasible for the club to achieve an automatic promotion spot.
Finally lets hope we can find the net a couple of times at least on Saturday - we have drawn a blank in both of the last two games.
I think the reason for Oscar saying that won't be brigning in a striker before the window closes is simply down to the fact that none are available. Why would a suitable loanee be available within the next 24 hours or so, who wasn't available in the last couple of months. Proven strikers are like gold dust, everybody wants them including their parent clubs. Barnes would not have left on a loan deal, why would we loan him out, money got him. If there was a proven goal scorer available from a prem club on loan he would have been signed by now, either by us or another club. Lingard was our main hope to provide some goals, and still is, to date he hasn't found the back of the net but the idea that others of his ilk are out there to be snapped up is clearly wrong.
The best chance any club has of borrowing a striker who can score goals is during the pre season period. Sign that player on a year long deal so that he can't be recalled, it's too late now to find one, it's been too late for several months now, that's why we were ready to spend a million plus on trying to buy one.
[quote][p][bold]ballantrrae[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: Also remember cms and Hoskins are not cetre forwards but play off a target man... I said we were light up front if ulloa was missing.[/p][/quote]Mark BTS you make some good points both in this brief post and in your previous one on this thread. If we want to get to the play-offs then we can't just rely on Ulloa being available. As has been pointed out, with Barnes we had at least one striker who could lead the line when Ulloa was absent. I see that in today's Argus that Oscar states that we won't be signing a striker on loan in the next day or so before the window closes. I also notice that he is not factoring in either Hoskins or CMS into his Plans.. Since Rodriguez is clearly seen as a 'wide' player the only other (potential) striker we have is Lingard (he played in the Ulloa role last night). Since Lingard does not seem to consider himself an out and out striker the club really does need to bring in another however difficult that might be. With our resources stretched both upfront and in midfield one can see our play-off aspirations fading away but hope I am proved wrong. Whatever happens over the next 9 games I very much trust that Oscar has taken all the lessons he will have learnt this season on board (score more goals) and begins to set his plans in motion for next season so that we are properly prepared for it. If we are still in the Championship we will need to hit the ground running to make it feasible for the club to achieve an automatic promotion spot. Finally lets hope we can find the net a couple of times at least on Saturday - we have drawn a blank in both of the last two games.[/p][/quote]I think the reason for Oscar saying that won't be brigning in a striker before the window closes is simply down to the fact that none are available. Why would a suitable loanee be available within the next 24 hours or so, who wasn't available in the last couple of months. Proven strikers are like gold dust, everybody wants them including their parent clubs. Barnes would not have left on a loan deal, why would we loan him out, money got him. If there was a proven goal scorer available from a prem club on loan he would have been signed by now, either by us or another club. Lingard was our main hope to provide some goals, and still is, to date he hasn't found the back of the net but the idea that others of his ilk are out there to be snapped up is clearly wrong. The best chance any club has of borrowing a striker who can score goals is during the pre season period. Sign that player on a year long deal so that he can't be recalled, it's too late now to find one, it's been too late for several months now, that's why we were ready to spend a million plus on trying to buy one. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 4

5:48pm Wed 26 Mar 14

mark by the sea says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
ballantrrae wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Also remember cms and Hoskins are not cetre forwards but play off a target man... I said we were light up front if ulloa was missing.
Mark BTS you make some good points both in this brief post and in your previous one on this thread.
If we want to get to the play-offs then we can't just rely on Ulloa being available. As has been pointed out, with Barnes we had at least one striker who could lead the line when Ulloa was absent. I see that in today's Argus that Oscar states that we won't be signing a striker on loan in the next day or so before the window closes. I also notice that he is not factoring in either Hoskins or CMS into his Plans..
Since Rodriguez is clearly seen as a 'wide' player the only other (potential) striker we have is Lingard (he played in the Ulloa role last night). Since Lingard does not seem to consider himself an out and out striker the club really does need to bring in another however difficult that might be.
With our resources stretched both upfront and in midfield one can see our play-off aspirations fading away but hope I am proved wrong.
Whatever happens over the next 9 games I very much trust that Oscar has taken all the lessons he will have learnt this season on board (score more goals) and begins to set his plans in motion for next season so that we are properly prepared for it. If we are still in the Championship we will need to hit the ground running to make it feasible for the club to achieve an automatic promotion spot.
Finally lets hope we can find the net a couple of times at least on Saturday - we have drawn a blank in both of the last two games.
I think the reason for Oscar saying that won't be brigning in a striker before the window closes is simply down to the fact that none are available. Why would a suitable loanee be available within the next 24 hours or so, who wasn't available in the last couple of months. Proven strikers are like gold dust, everybody wants them including their parent clubs. Barnes would not have left on a loan deal, why would we loan him out, money got him. If there was a proven goal scorer available from a prem club on loan he would have been signed by now, either by us or another club. Lingard was our main hope to provide some goals, and still is, to date he hasn't found the back of the net but the idea that others of his ilk are out there to be snapped up is clearly wrong.
The best chance any club has of borrowing a striker who can score goals is during the pre season period. Sign that player on a year long deal so that he can't be recalled, it's too late now to find one, it's been too late for several months now, that's why we were ready to spend a million plus on trying to buy one.
That's the whole point though, Barnes should not have been sold until a replacement was signed, the interview with Barnes stated he had a offer in the summer from the club that he declined... And that was that! Surely the suits knew they had to sell him after that chat? Or did they think Barnes would come snivel ling for 7k contract.. Someone stated Barnes did not sign for Burnley for more money! Does anyone really think he would say he was only after the dollar?
The reason we signed ulloa was because cms and Hoskins could not score in support of Barnes... We now have tiinted specs on thinking we have. Ronaldo and Owen to come back in..
This summer I expect Buckley , TK and ulloa to either leave or be made offers from premiership clubs, I name those clubs for you, Sunderland , QPR
And Leicester in that order...sorry but we have been poorly managed by the suits, and OG will carry the can unless it's sorted... I think he might move if a offer came for him.. Which leaves us with Tim sheerwood.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ballantrrae[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: Also remember cms and Hoskins are not cetre forwards but play off a target man... I said we were light up front if ulloa was missing.[/p][/quote]Mark BTS you make some good points both in this brief post and in your previous one on this thread. If we want to get to the play-offs then we can't just rely on Ulloa being available. As has been pointed out, with Barnes we had at least one striker who could lead the line when Ulloa was absent. I see that in today's Argus that Oscar states that we won't be signing a striker on loan in the next day or so before the window closes. I also notice that he is not factoring in either Hoskins or CMS into his Plans.. Since Rodriguez is clearly seen as a 'wide' player the only other (potential) striker we have is Lingard (he played in the Ulloa role last night). Since Lingard does not seem to consider himself an out and out striker the club really does need to bring in another however difficult that might be. With our resources stretched both upfront and in midfield one can see our play-off aspirations fading away but hope I am proved wrong. Whatever happens over the next 9 games I very much trust that Oscar has taken all the lessons he will have learnt this season on board (score more goals) and begins to set his plans in motion for next season so that we are properly prepared for it. If we are still in the Championship we will need to hit the ground running to make it feasible for the club to achieve an automatic promotion spot. Finally lets hope we can find the net a couple of times at least on Saturday - we have drawn a blank in both of the last two games.[/p][/quote]I think the reason for Oscar saying that won't be brigning in a striker before the window closes is simply down to the fact that none are available. Why would a suitable loanee be available within the next 24 hours or so, who wasn't available in the last couple of months. Proven strikers are like gold dust, everybody wants them including their parent clubs. Barnes would not have left on a loan deal, why would we loan him out, money got him. If there was a proven goal scorer available from a prem club on loan he would have been signed by now, either by us or another club. Lingard was our main hope to provide some goals, and still is, to date he hasn't found the back of the net but the idea that others of his ilk are out there to be snapped up is clearly wrong. The best chance any club has of borrowing a striker who can score goals is during the pre season period. Sign that player on a year long deal so that he can't be recalled, it's too late now to find one, it's been too late for several months now, that's why we were ready to spend a million plus on trying to buy one.[/p][/quote]That's the whole point though, Barnes should not have been sold until a replacement was signed, the interview with Barnes stated he had a offer in the summer from the club that he declined... And that was that! Surely the suits knew they had to sell him after that chat? Or did they think Barnes would come snivel ling for 7k contract.. Someone stated Barnes did not sign for Burnley for more money! Does anyone really think he would say he was only after the dollar? The reason we signed ulloa was because cms and Hoskins could not score in support of Barnes... We now have tiinted specs on thinking we have. Ronaldo and Owen to come back in.. This summer I expect Buckley , TK and ulloa to either leave or be made offers from premiership clubs, I name those clubs for you, Sunderland , QPR And Leicester in that order...sorry but we have been poorly managed by the suits, and OG will carry the can unless it's sorted... I think he might move if a offer came for him.. Which leaves us with Tim sheerwood. mark by the sea
  • Score: 1

6:22pm Wed 26 Mar 14

mark by the sea says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Steveg1958 wrote:
Lack of strikers eh, ! how many have we tried this year ? It seems to me that playing attacking football occasionally might help Oscar, we are ingrained into this sideways and backwards football all the time or "lets stop just over the half way line and go backwards for a bit" to give almost any striker much chance. The poster above is right, when we get the odd chance (because that is all we can create) it must go in Mr Lingard ! Saturday was a case in point stick that 1st chance in Lingard and we are one up and a different game. In addition to our tactic of not wanting to lose overcoming our desire to win we seem to have absolutely no ability to change anything, ad that's down to the coaching staff, Oscar and NJ. It let us down in the FA cup and it will mean we miss the play offs as well. I had better see some positive action in the summer for our next season in the championship otherwise my season tickets will be in severe jeopardy. ! (before all you rose tinted fans criticise, I am a fan of over 40 years but I am likely not to tolerate being bored rigid almost every week, with no plan B or likely excitement at matches).
Your have ex pat armchair after you, I been saying it for months season ticket sales will be hit, lol
Season tickets are still selling well, so your permanent doom-mongering is as ever way off beam.

But Mark, I've now explained to you, what, a dozen times, that I have seen about half the games this season - that's approaching twenty, so I have a very good idea of what happens on the pitch. But it still doesn't sink in through your skull, does it? Regular digs about something you have been constantly corrected on makes you look like an imbecile. Maybe you are an imbecile, I don't know.

Even if I had only watched games online (of which there have been many this season) it makes you an arrogant b****** if you think that unless you watch every single minute of a season from the stands you have no right to an opinion. You will note I have not commented on this game or the Ipswich game, yet you drag me into conversations I am not interested in, so please now just **** off and leave me out of it.

Oh, and if you could please grow up, that would be just lovely.

UTA forever.
Hmmm I was told about the 20,000 on Sunday , what Burke is saying is 20,000 have either taken up a season ticket or have NOT CANCELLED THERE DIRECT DEBIT, ! That is not the same as selling 20,000
If the figure is 20k that represents a drop of 15-16% in sales..
I said we would suffer if ulloa got injured or banned... OG comes out and says it now! We have three centre backs and three keepers? And one centre forward! I am saying it again and you disagreed about that saying its doom and gloom! We are as injury away from losing the rest of the season , that's not professional , and that's not good enough for those who spent the bestaet of £2500 watching home games with beers and food.
YOU JUMPED AT MY TONGUE IN CHEEK COMMENT, sad sad.
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Steveg1958[/bold] wrote: Lack of strikers eh, ! how many have we tried this year ? It seems to me that playing attacking football occasionally might help Oscar, we are ingrained into this sideways and backwards football all the time or "lets stop just over the half way line and go backwards for a bit" to give almost any striker much chance. The poster above is right, when we get the odd chance (because that is all we can create) it must go in Mr Lingard ! Saturday was a case in point stick that 1st chance in Lingard and we are one up and a different game. In addition to our tactic of not wanting to lose overcoming our desire to win we seem to have absolutely no ability to change anything, ad that's down to the coaching staff, Oscar and NJ. It let us down in the FA cup and it will mean we miss the play offs as well. I had better see some positive action in the summer for our next season in the championship otherwise my season tickets will be in severe jeopardy. ! (before all you rose tinted fans criticise, I am a fan of over 40 years but I am likely not to tolerate being bored rigid almost every week, with no plan B or likely excitement at matches).[/p][/quote]Your have ex pat armchair after you, I been saying it for months season ticket sales will be hit, lol[/p][/quote]Season tickets are still selling well, so your permanent doom-mongering is as ever way off beam. But Mark, I've now explained to you, what, a dozen times, that I have seen about half the games this season - that's approaching twenty, so I have a very good idea of what happens on the pitch. But it still doesn't sink in through your skull, does it? Regular digs about something you have been constantly corrected on makes you look like an imbecile. Maybe you are an imbecile, I don't know. Even if I had only watched games online (of which there have been many this season) it makes you an arrogant b****** if you think that unless you watch every single minute of a season from the stands you have no right to an opinion. You will note I have not commented on this game or the Ipswich game, yet you drag me into conversations I am not interested in, so please now just **** off and leave me out of it. Oh, and if you could please grow up, that would be just lovely. UTA forever.[/p][/quote]Hmmm I was told about the 20,000 on Sunday , what Burke is saying is 20,000 have either taken up a season ticket or have NOT CANCELLED THERE DIRECT DEBIT, ! That is not the same as selling 20,000 If the figure is 20k that represents a drop of 15-16% in sales.. I said we would suffer if ulloa got injured or banned... OG comes out and says it now! We have three centre backs and three keepers? And one centre forward! I am saying it again and you disagreed about that saying its doom and gloom! We are as injury away from losing the rest of the season , that's not professional , and that's not good enough for those who spent the bestaet of £2500 watching home games with beers and food. YOU JUMPED AT MY TONGUE IN CHEEK COMMENT, sad sad. mark by the sea
  • Score: 0

6:39pm Wed 26 Mar 14

ballantrrae says...

mark by the sea wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
ballantrrae wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Also remember cms and Hoskins are not cetre forwards but play off a target man... I said we were light up front if ulloa was missing.
Mark BTS you make some good points both in this brief post and in your previous one on this thread.
If we want to get to the play-offs then we can't just rely on Ulloa being available. As has been pointed out, with Barnes we had at least one striker who could lead the line when Ulloa was absent. I see that in today's Argus that Oscar states that we won't be signing a striker on loan in the next day or so before the window closes. I also notice that he is not factoring in either Hoskins or CMS into his Plans..
Since Rodriguez is clearly seen as a 'wide' player the only other (potential) striker we have is Lingard (he played in the Ulloa role last night). Since Lingard does not seem to consider himself an out and out striker the club really does need to bring in another however difficult that might be.
With our resources stretched both upfront and in midfield one can see our play-off aspirations fading away but hope I am proved wrong.
Whatever happens over the next 9 games I very much trust that Oscar has taken all the lessons he will have learnt this season on board (score more goals) and begins to set his plans in motion for next season so that we are properly prepared for it. If we are still in the Championship we will need to hit the ground running to make it feasible for the club to achieve an automatic promotion spot.
Finally lets hope we can find the net a couple of times at least on Saturday - we have drawn a blank in both of the last two games.
I think the reason for Oscar saying that won't be brigning in a striker before the window closes is simply down to the fact that none are available. Why would a suitable loanee be available within the next 24 hours or so, who wasn't available in the last couple of months. Proven strikers are like gold dust, everybody wants them including their parent clubs. Barnes would not have left on a loan deal, why would we loan him out, money got him. If there was a proven goal scorer available from a prem club on loan he would have been signed by now, either by us or another club. Lingard was our main hope to provide some goals, and still is, to date he hasn't found the back of the net but the idea that others of his ilk are out there to be snapped up is clearly wrong.
The best chance any club has of borrowing a striker who can score goals is during the pre season period. Sign that player on a year long deal so that he can't be recalled, it's too late now to find one, it's been too late for several months now, that's why we were ready to spend a million plus on trying to buy one.
That's the whole point though, Barnes should not have been sold until a replacement was signed, the interview with Barnes stated he had a offer in the summer from the club that he declined... And that was that! Surely the suits knew they had to sell him after that chat? Or did they think Barnes would come snivel ling for 7k contract.. Someone stated Barnes did not sign for Burnley for more money! Does anyone really think he would say he was only after the dollar?
The reason we signed ulloa was because cms and Hoskins could not score in support of Barnes... We now have tiinted specs on thinking we have. Ronaldo and Owen to come back in..
This summer I expect Buckley , TK and ulloa to either leave or be made offers from premiership clubs, I name those clubs for you, Sunderland , QPR
And Leicester in that order...sorry but we have been poorly managed by the suits, and OG will carry the can unless it's sorted... I think he might move if a offer came for him.. Which leaves us with Tim sheerwood.
I appreciate the point you make Vegas about availability of strikers but things do change in a couple of months. Some clubs might be prepared to loan a player out now that they wouldn't have 6 - 7 weeks ago. Bearing FFP in mind some clubs might want to trim their wage bills over the next few weeks.
I agree however with MBTS that we were 'unwise' shall we say to let Barnes go without having secured a replacement. As others have already said on this thread we would not have a problem regarding striker availability now if we had signed Grabban.
This leads on to another point. I would like to think that players would be jumping at the chance to join BHA (wishful thinking perhaps) but if anything it appears that we have been relatively unsuccessful in selling the club. I am sure a number of us were disappointed that Grabban didn't come and personally I was sorry that Conway did not return whatever the reason.
Mark BTS you raise the question of what might happen to Oscar which I think is pertinent.
I feel that he is a really top coach who has had a difficult time with injuries, illness, and key squad members leaving in January without being replaced. As a result I don't think we can truly evaluate how he is doing. I do however feel the coaching team (around him) is a bit 'lightweight' but whether an experienced No 2 (like Steve Clarke) should be brought in to support him or a suitable Director of Football in an advisory capacity (eg Liam Brady) I don't know but I would be interested in others thoughts as to how we could beef this aspect of BHA up
What I do believe is that consideration should be given to strengthening that side of our operation well before next season starts. Whether or not we reach the Premier League this year, if we are to be truly PLR as PB keeps saying then we need the right Managerial and Coaching structure to support that.
I suspect that in the next 10 days having played Middlesbrough, Blackburn and Barnsley we will have a better idea of what the immediate future has in store for the club ie play-offs or not.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ballantrrae[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: Also remember cms and Hoskins are not cetre forwards but play off a target man... I said we were light up front if ulloa was missing.[/p][/quote]Mark BTS you make some good points both in this brief post and in your previous one on this thread. If we want to get to the play-offs then we can't just rely on Ulloa being available. As has been pointed out, with Barnes we had at least one striker who could lead the line when Ulloa was absent. I see that in today's Argus that Oscar states that we won't be signing a striker on loan in the next day or so before the window closes. I also notice that he is not factoring in either Hoskins or CMS into his Plans.. Since Rodriguez is clearly seen as a 'wide' player the only other (potential) striker we have is Lingard (he played in the Ulloa role last night). Since Lingard does not seem to consider himself an out and out striker the club really does need to bring in another however difficult that might be. With our resources stretched both upfront and in midfield one can see our play-off aspirations fading away but hope I am proved wrong. Whatever happens over the next 9 games I very much trust that Oscar has taken all the lessons he will have learnt this season on board (score more goals) and begins to set his plans in motion for next season so that we are properly prepared for it. If we are still in the Championship we will need to hit the ground running to make it feasible for the club to achieve an automatic promotion spot. Finally lets hope we can find the net a couple of times at least on Saturday - we have drawn a blank in both of the last two games.[/p][/quote]I think the reason for Oscar saying that won't be brigning in a striker before the window closes is simply down to the fact that none are available. Why would a suitable loanee be available within the next 24 hours or so, who wasn't available in the last couple of months. Proven strikers are like gold dust, everybody wants them including their parent clubs. Barnes would not have left on a loan deal, why would we loan him out, money got him. If there was a proven goal scorer available from a prem club on loan he would have been signed by now, either by us or another club. Lingard was our main hope to provide some goals, and still is, to date he hasn't found the back of the net but the idea that others of his ilk are out there to be snapped up is clearly wrong. The best chance any club has of borrowing a striker who can score goals is during the pre season period. Sign that player on a year long deal so that he can't be recalled, it's too late now to find one, it's been too late for several months now, that's why we were ready to spend a million plus on trying to buy one.[/p][/quote]That's the whole point though, Barnes should not have been sold until a replacement was signed, the interview with Barnes stated he had a offer in the summer from the club that he declined... And that was that! Surely the suits knew they had to sell him after that chat? Or did they think Barnes would come snivel ling for 7k contract.. Someone stated Barnes did not sign for Burnley for more money! Does anyone really think he would say he was only after the dollar? The reason we signed ulloa was because cms and Hoskins could not score in support of Barnes... We now have tiinted specs on thinking we have. Ronaldo and Owen to come back in.. This summer I expect Buckley , TK and ulloa to either leave or be made offers from premiership clubs, I name those clubs for you, Sunderland , QPR And Leicester in that order...sorry but we have been poorly managed by the suits, and OG will carry the can unless it's sorted... I think he might move if a offer came for him.. Which leaves us with Tim sheerwood.[/p][/quote]I appreciate the point you make Vegas about availability of strikers but things do change in a couple of months. Some clubs might be prepared to loan a player out now that they wouldn't have 6 - 7 weeks ago. Bearing FFP in mind some clubs might want to trim their wage bills over the next few weeks. I agree however with MBTS that we were 'unwise' shall we say to let Barnes go without having secured a replacement. As others have already said on this thread we would not have a problem regarding striker availability now if we had signed Grabban. This leads on to another point. I would like to think that players would be jumping at the chance to join BHA (wishful thinking perhaps) but if anything it appears that we have been relatively unsuccessful in selling the club. I am sure a number of us were disappointed that Grabban didn't come and personally I was sorry that Conway did not return whatever the reason. Mark BTS you raise the question of what might happen to Oscar which I think is pertinent. I feel that he is a really top coach who has had a difficult time with injuries, illness, and key squad members leaving in January without being replaced. As a result I don't think we can truly evaluate how he is doing. I do however feel the coaching team (around him) is a bit 'lightweight' but whether an experienced No 2 (like Steve Clarke) should be brought in to support him or a suitable Director of Football in an advisory capacity (eg Liam Brady) I don't know but I would be interested in others thoughts as to how we could beef this aspect of BHA up What I do believe is that consideration should be given to strengthening that side of our operation well before next season starts. Whether or not we reach the Premier League this year, if we are to be truly PLR as PB keeps saying then we need the right Managerial and Coaching structure to support that. I suspect that in the next 10 days having played Middlesbrough, Blackburn and Barnsley we will have a better idea of what the immediate future has in store for the club ie play-offs or not. ballantrrae
  • Score: 3

7:13pm Wed 26 Mar 14

Neville says...

Just to clarify the reason Barnes left was because he was only offered a short term deal,Burnley offered him three years with the prospect of playing in the PL,which now looks a pretty surefire bet,money not the issue but longer term security was.
The club were aware of this situation and nothing was done to improve any offer,and he was always going to move on by the end of the season,therefore it was shortsightedness not to replace him at the beginning of the season.
We have actually been searching for striker since GP days and nothing has ever really seriously done to sort this out.
The club have been very poor in dealing with the Lita and Obika situations and even more so the Augustien fiasco,this guy is on a 2 year contract and the fans are told he is injured,what a load of nonsense. Total mismanagement on this score.
A few days ago PB said money was available to strengthen in the loan window if required and nothing has happened,mixed messages coming from the club and not too convinced about morale in the squad apart from the TK/SB flare up.
Just to clarify the reason Barnes left was because he was only offered a short term deal,Burnley offered him three years with the prospect of playing in the PL,which now looks a pretty surefire bet,money not the issue but longer term security was. The club were aware of this situation and nothing was done to improve any offer,and he was always going to move on by the end of the season,therefore it was shortsightedness not to replace him at the beginning of the season. We have actually been searching for striker since GP days and nothing has ever really seriously done to sort this out. The club have been very poor in dealing with the Lita and Obika situations and even more so the Augustien fiasco,this guy is on a 2 year contract and the fans are told he is injured,what a load of nonsense. Total mismanagement on this score. A few days ago PB said money was available to strengthen in the loan window if required and nothing has happened,mixed messages coming from the club and not too convinced about morale in the squad apart from the TK/SB flare up. Neville
  • Score: 3

8:19pm Wed 26 Mar 14

gordongull says...

FANS RUE LACK OF OPTIONS IN ATTACK

Fans have lamented the lack options used by a Coach who's stated intent is to play attacking football.
Many have questioned why more attacking options are not employed even when we HAVE got the players on hand to implement them.
The problem is the experiment to try out the playing philosophy of the coaching team in the English Championship.
This is aggravated by a rejection of any other playing system, even when demanded by circumstances.
How many times over the course of the season have we had cause to congratulate Oscar and Nathan for their ingenuity? They don't have the skills of a master tactician, because they depend on their system to work, whoever the opposition, and whatever players are available for selection.
I have news for them: Barcelona would be a decent side playing any system, because they have players of of the necessary quality.
B&HA hardly have the players to get us out of our own half operating this style of play, and to persist with it is narrow minded and naive.
Oscar Garcia is just a football coach doing his job, but who does he answer to?
If David Burke is effectively a Director of Football, he needs to address our 'attacking options', and possibly make the coach aware that it is ok to attack.
FANS RUE LACK OF OPTIONS IN ATTACK Fans have lamented the lack options used by a Coach who's stated intent is to play attacking football. Many have questioned why more attacking options are not employed even when we HAVE got the players on hand to implement them. The problem is the experiment to try out the playing philosophy of the coaching team in the English Championship. This is aggravated by a rejection of any other playing system, even when demanded by circumstances. How many times over the course of the season have we had cause to congratulate Oscar and Nathan for their ingenuity? They don't have the skills of a master tactician, because they depend on their system to work, whoever the opposition, and whatever players are available for selection. I have news for them: Barcelona would be a decent side playing any system, because they have players of of the necessary quality. B&HA hardly have the players to get us out of our own half operating this style of play, and to persist with it is narrow minded and naive. Oscar Garcia is just a football coach doing his job, but who does he answer to? If David Burke is effectively a Director of Football, he needs to address our 'attacking options', and possibly make the coach aware that it is ok to attack. gordongull
  • Score: 0

8:41pm Wed 26 Mar 14

VegasSeagull says...

If so much is wrong with the decisions that Oscar and others at the club are making, how come we are where we are in the table? Win our game in hand and all is to play for. I am not saying that the right players have left, or that the right players have come in, but regardless or what are perceiced as, poor decisions, we are today on the doorstep of the playoffs.
I am not sure how people can say we should have done better given who we have in the squad, when at the same time complain about the business carried out by the club with reference to those sold, bought or borrowed. Either we have the right squad or we don't, or perhaps you are suggesting that the squad is good enough, it's Oscar that needs to go, and if that's the call, then I just don't get where you are coming from.
If so much is wrong with the decisions that Oscar and others at the club are making, how come we are where we are in the table? Win our game in hand and all is to play for. I am not saying that the right players have left, or that the right players have come in, but regardless or what are perceiced as, poor decisions, we are today on the doorstep of the playoffs. I am not sure how people can say we should have done better given who we have in the squad, when at the same time complain about the business carried out by the club with reference to those sold, bought or borrowed. Either we have the right squad or we don't, or perhaps you are suggesting that the squad is good enough, it's Oscar that needs to go, and if that's the call, then I just don't get where you are coming from. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 2

8:47pm Wed 26 Mar 14

gordongull says...

It's all right for you Vegas, you don't have to watch it.
It's all right for you Vegas, you don't have to watch it. gordongull
  • Score: 1

9:17pm Wed 26 Mar 14

The Bosch says...

Hoskins is injured yet again lol.Im never wrong.
Hoskins is injured yet again lol.Im never wrong. The Bosch
  • Score: -1

9:19pm Wed 26 Mar 14

The Bosch says...

Plus OG words they are not the anser lol.They are sure not guys.Both lower league rubbish just after more free money.
Plus OG words they are not the anser lol.They are sure not guys.Both lower league rubbish just after more free money. The Bosch
  • Score: -1

9:23pm Wed 26 Mar 14

The Bosch says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
If so much is wrong with the decisions that Oscar and others at the club are making, how come we are where we are in the table? Win our game in hand and all is to play for. I am not saying that the right players have left, or that the right players have come in, but regardless or what are perceiced as, poor decisions, we are today on the doorstep of the playoffs.
I am not sure how people can say we should have done better given who we have in the squad, when at the same time complain about the business carried out by the club with reference to those sold, bought or borrowed. Either we have the right squad or we don't, or perhaps you are suggesting that the squad is good enough, it's Oscar that needs to go, and if that's the call, then I just don't get where you are coming from.
Because the way they have set the team up to play silly.Thats why we don't score goals.Take TK out next season and you will see what lower league rubbish Dunk,Greer,and Brono really are believe me.Was i wrong about Hoskins lol.Not me son been in the game to long now.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: If so much is wrong with the decisions that Oscar and others at the club are making, how come we are where we are in the table? Win our game in hand and all is to play for. I am not saying that the right players have left, or that the right players have come in, but regardless or what are perceiced as, poor decisions, we are today on the doorstep of the playoffs. I am not sure how people can say we should have done better given who we have in the squad, when at the same time complain about the business carried out by the club with reference to those sold, bought or borrowed. Either we have the right squad or we don't, or perhaps you are suggesting that the squad is good enough, it's Oscar that needs to go, and if that's the call, then I just don't get where you are coming from.[/p][/quote]Because the way they have set the team up to play silly.Thats why we don't score goals.Take TK out next season and you will see what lower league rubbish Dunk,Greer,and Brono really are believe me.Was i wrong about Hoskins lol.Not me son been in the game to long now. The Bosch
  • Score: -1

9:24pm Wed 26 Mar 14

The Bosch says...

gordongull wrote:
It's all right for you Vegas, you don't have to watch it.
Great point outstanding post.
[quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: It's all right for you Vegas, you don't have to watch it.[/p][/quote]Great point outstanding post. The Bosch
  • Score: -1

9:31pm Wed 26 Mar 14

The Bosch says...

Neville wrote:
Just to clarify the reason Barnes left was because he was only offered a short term deal,Burnley offered him three years with the prospect of playing in the PL,which now looks a pretty surefire bet,money not the issue but longer term security was.
The club were aware of this situation and nothing was done to improve any offer,and he was always going to move on by the end of the season,therefore it was shortsightedness not to replace him at the beginning of the season.
We have actually been searching for striker since GP days and nothing has ever really seriously done to sort this out.
The club have been very poor in dealing with the Lita and Obika situations and even more so the Augustien fiasco,this guy is on a 2 year contract and the fans are told he is injured,what a load of nonsense. Total mismanagement on this score.
A few days ago PB said money was available to strengthen in the loan window if required and nothing has happened,mixed messages coming from the club and not too convinced about morale in the squad apart from the TK/SB flare up.
Bridcutt made it very clear most of the good players want out.Buckley wanted that move to Palace believe me,and so did Ulloa.Tk is almost gone already.Don't you lot find it a bit odd Dunk was the only player told weeks ago he has a big future at the club lol.A player thats played just 2 ok first team games this season.Wake up will you?
[quote][p][bold]Neville[/bold] wrote: Just to clarify the reason Barnes left was because he was only offered a short term deal,Burnley offered him three years with the prospect of playing in the PL,which now looks a pretty surefire bet,money not the issue but longer term security was. The club were aware of this situation and nothing was done to improve any offer,and he was always going to move on by the end of the season,therefore it was shortsightedness not to replace him at the beginning of the season. We have actually been searching for striker since GP days and nothing has ever really seriously done to sort this out. The club have been very poor in dealing with the Lita and Obika situations and even more so the Augustien fiasco,this guy is on a 2 year contract and the fans are told he is injured,what a load of nonsense. Total mismanagement on this score. A few days ago PB said money was available to strengthen in the loan window if required and nothing has happened,mixed messages coming from the club and not too convinced about morale in the squad apart from the TK/SB flare up.[/p][/quote]Bridcutt made it very clear most of the good players want out.Buckley wanted that move to Palace believe me,and so did Ulloa.Tk is almost gone already.Don't you lot find it a bit odd Dunk was the only player told weeks ago he has a big future at the club lol.A player thats played just 2 ok first team games this season.Wake up will you? The Bosch
  • Score: -1

9:34pm Wed 26 Mar 14

mark by the sea says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
If so much is wrong with the decisions that Oscar and others at the club are making, how come we are where we are in the table? Win our game in hand and all is to play for. I am not saying that the right players have left, or that the right players have come in, but regardless or what are perceiced as, poor decisions, we are today on the doorstep of the playoffs.
I am not sure how people can say we should have done better given who we have in the squad, when at the same time complain about the business carried out by the club with reference to those sold, bought or borrowed. Either we have the right squad or we don't, or perhaps you are suggesting that the squad is good enough, it's Oscar that needs to go, and if that's the call, then I just don't get where you are coming from.
I have complained about lack of quality like for like replacement ..
Here are two examples, in the space of three weeks we lost GG to a ban, and upson to illness, leaving no cover at centreback,
The idea of a squad is to cover bans and injuries, sold Barnes as we either did not pay him enough or offer him a long enough contract! We however gave kemy a two year deal on better wages than Barnes was on no doubt.
The suits are in charge, but come a bad run the blame is at OG door..
Something is not right when we score less than the goal difference of the top two clubs.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: If so much is wrong with the decisions that Oscar and others at the club are making, how come we are where we are in the table? Win our game in hand and all is to play for. I am not saying that the right players have left, or that the right players have come in, but regardless or what are perceiced as, poor decisions, we are today on the doorstep of the playoffs. I am not sure how people can say we should have done better given who we have in the squad, when at the same time complain about the business carried out by the club with reference to those sold, bought or borrowed. Either we have the right squad or we don't, or perhaps you are suggesting that the squad is good enough, it's Oscar that needs to go, and if that's the call, then I just don't get where you are coming from.[/p][/quote]I have complained about lack of quality like for like replacement .. Here are two examples, in the space of three weeks we lost GG to a ban, and upson to illness, leaving no cover at centreback, The idea of a squad is to cover bans and injuries, sold Barnes as we either did not pay him enough or offer him a long enough contract! We however gave kemy a two year deal on better wages than Barnes was on no doubt. The suits are in charge, but come a bad run the blame is at OG door.. Something is not right when we score less than the goal difference of the top two clubs. mark by the sea
  • Score: 2

9:39pm Wed 26 Mar 14

The Bosch says...

Tommy11 wrote:
Before the Ipswich game we were 5 points ahead of them – I thought we would win, gain an 8 point advantage and create a gap. They are now 1 point ahead of us! Talk about balls up!

But, saying this as I have said all along – we ARE NOT good enough and we deserve to be where we are (in fact I do believe we are slightly fortunate not to be mid-table). After the QPR game I got slammed on this site for stating that even know we won, I thought we were lucky as I did not think we played well. Time and time again I have stated that I think the wheels will come off at some stage as I think they have half been hanging off all season! Because we have only played well on a handful of occasions. People on this site are still getting far too carried away about the thought of play offs. I keep reading people’s comments saying ‘ were still in it’ ‘ there is still a chance’ etc etc..but do we really want to be? We’re not good enough people – all season we have been very mediocre to say the least.

The problem? It’s because we have a very very mediocre and limited manager/coach. I do blame Garcia for our poor performances. He has no plan B, plays the same tactics week & week out and picks players that should not be playing or out of position. We have to stop blaming injury’s & lack of signings, it’s all getting very boring (like our displays). In regards to signing - where is his contacts? Surely he has a say in part of this? I know the system has changed now – but I don’t buy the whole idea that Burke simply says to Garcia “Here is a player I got for you - use him!” as this will never work, and it’s just ridiculous! His whole approach to media work and even out on the touchline is becoming increasingly more worrying. He just seems like a bloke who is out of his depth or comfort zone. I hate when people say ‘It’s because he is not a manager’ – well step back then!!!

We do need to act in the summer. This season will go – please Albion fans let it go and think about next season. That is the main concern!! We need something to change within the team, as many fans have said – the crowds will fall. I still go to every home game, and a good few away too (I’m even going to Barnsley) but I’m starting to enjoy the days out of football – rather than the football itself at the moment, as it’s just so so SO tedious to watch! The best bit is having a few drinks with my family & pals before/ after each game!!! The bit in the middle I just forget about half the time!

Please Tony Bloom, can you have a good review in the summer? As I and a lot of BHA die hards are not happy with the way things are going.

Something needs to give.
Great post Tommy11.Plus great to have another real fan back on the site.As you can see i was 100% correct about Hoskins & CMS yet again.They will both try and play a few games at the very end of the season when it means nothing.That way they can run out the rubbish about looking forward to next season now injury free with a nice knew big money contract already signed.
[quote][p][bold]Tommy11[/bold] wrote: Before the Ipswich game we were 5 points ahead of them – I thought we would win, gain an 8 point advantage and create a gap. They are now 1 point ahead of us! Talk about balls up! But, saying this as I have said all along – we ARE NOT good enough and we deserve to be where we are (in fact I do believe we are slightly fortunate not to be mid-table). After the QPR game I got slammed on this site for stating that even know we won, I thought we were lucky as I did not think we played well. Time and time again I have stated that I think the wheels will come off at some stage as I think they have half been hanging off all season! Because we have only played well on a handful of occasions. People on this site are still getting far too carried away about the thought of play offs. I keep reading people’s comments saying ‘ were still in it’ ‘ there is still a chance’ etc etc..but do we really want to be? We’re not good enough people – all season we have been very mediocre to say the least. The problem? It’s because we have a very very mediocre and limited manager/coach. I do blame Garcia for our poor performances. He has no plan B, plays the same tactics week & week out and picks players that should not be playing or out of position. We have to stop blaming injury’s & lack of signings, it’s all getting very boring (like our displays). In regards to signing - where is his contacts? Surely he has a say in part of this? I know the system has changed now – but I don’t buy the whole idea that Burke simply says to Garcia “Here is a player I got for you - use him!” as this will never work, and it’s just ridiculous! His whole approach to media work and even out on the touchline is becoming increasingly more worrying. He just seems like a bloke who is out of his depth or comfort zone. I hate when people say ‘It’s because he is not a manager’ – well step back then!!! We do need to act in the summer. This season will go – please Albion fans let it go and think about next season. That is the main concern!! We need something to change within the team, as many fans have said – the crowds will fall. I still go to every home game, and a good few away too (I’m even going to Barnsley) but I’m starting to enjoy the days out of football – rather than the football itself at the moment, as it’s just so so SO tedious to watch! The best bit is having a few drinks with my family & pals before/ after each game!!! The bit in the middle I just forget about half the time! Please Tony Bloom, can you have a good review in the summer? As I and a lot of BHA die hards are not happy with the way things are going. Something needs to give.[/p][/quote]Great post Tommy11.Plus great to have another real fan back on the site.As you can see i was 100% correct about Hoskins & CMS yet again.They will both try and play a few games at the very end of the season when it means nothing.That way they can run out the rubbish about looking forward to next season now injury free with a nice knew big money contract already signed. The Bosch
  • Score: -1

9:42pm Wed 26 Mar 14

Iangira says...

The problem is that Barber and the suits are running the playing side. We`ve brought in some poor quality players on the cheap once again ( back to the bad old days ) and are risking the youngsters too much. You don`t really feel that Garcia is in control and he`s not. Everything goes through Barber and it will end in tears. There is not enough pace and quality in the squad overall and Barber has said there`s not much money for new players. I don`t think Oscar has a chance to be honest and I don`t think he will stay much longer. TB has a big problem. He`s taking our money for next season but it`s not wise to push loyal season ticket holders which is what is happening. We`ve gone back since Barber`s appointment and that`s what happens when you get a non-football man in to run the show. Mark my words, it`ll be Oscar who will be the fall guy, not Barber. I`ll give it one more season and I`ve been with club since 1958.
The problem is that Barber and the suits are running the playing side. We`ve brought in some poor quality players on the cheap once again ( back to the bad old days ) and are risking the youngsters too much. You don`t really feel that Garcia is in control and he`s not. Everything goes through Barber and it will end in tears. There is not enough pace and quality in the squad overall and Barber has said there`s not much money for new players. I don`t think Oscar has a chance to be honest and I don`t think he will stay much longer. TB has a big problem. He`s taking our money for next season but it`s not wise to push loyal season ticket holders which is what is happening. We`ve gone back since Barber`s appointment and that`s what happens when you get a non-football man in to run the show. Mark my words, it`ll be Oscar who will be the fall guy, not Barber. I`ll give it one more season and I`ve been with club since 1958. Iangira
  • Score: 4

11:18pm Wed 26 Mar 14

Baldseagull says...

mark by the sea wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
If so much is wrong with the decisions that Oscar and others at the club are making, how come we are where we are in the table? Win our game in hand and all is to play for. I am not saying that the right players have left, or that the right players have come in, but regardless or what are perceiced as, poor decisions, we are today on the doorstep of the playoffs.
I am not sure how people can say we should have done better given who we have in the squad, when at the same time complain about the business carried out by the club with reference to those sold, bought or borrowed. Either we have the right squad or we don't, or perhaps you are suggesting that the squad is good enough, it's Oscar that needs to go, and if that's the call, then I just don't get where you are coming from.
I have complained about lack of quality like for like replacement ..
Here are two examples, in the space of three weeks we lost GG to a ban, and upson to illness, leaving no cover at centreback,
The idea of a squad is to cover bans and injuries, sold Barnes as we either did not pay him enough or offer him a long enough contract! We however gave kemy a two year deal on better wages than Barnes was on no doubt.
The suits are in charge, but come a bad run the blame is at OG door..
Something is not right when we score less than the goal difference of the top two clubs.
You have a knack of making statements I don't really disagree with whilst making them in such a way that I want to.
What you are leaving out of the picture is the finances that we are working with in comparison with other clubs, and the fact that we are right on the tails of some of those spending treble the amount we are.
We all know we have been missing strikers, but I don't see the failure to bring one in as being something to beat Burke with, it is a consequence of having two on the payroll already that we can't use and being restricted on what we can spend.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: If so much is wrong with the decisions that Oscar and others at the club are making, how come we are where we are in the table? Win our game in hand and all is to play for. I am not saying that the right players have left, or that the right players have come in, but regardless or what are perceiced as, poor decisions, we are today on the doorstep of the playoffs. I am not sure how people can say we should have done better given who we have in the squad, when at the same time complain about the business carried out by the club with reference to those sold, bought or borrowed. Either we have the right squad or we don't, or perhaps you are suggesting that the squad is good enough, it's Oscar that needs to go, and if that's the call, then I just don't get where you are coming from.[/p][/quote]I have complained about lack of quality like for like replacement .. Here are two examples, in the space of three weeks we lost GG to a ban, and upson to illness, leaving no cover at centreback, The idea of a squad is to cover bans and injuries, sold Barnes as we either did not pay him enough or offer him a long enough contract! We however gave kemy a two year deal on better wages than Barnes was on no doubt. The suits are in charge, but come a bad run the blame is at OG door.. Something is not right when we score less than the goal difference of the top two clubs.[/p][/quote]You have a knack of making statements I don't really disagree with whilst making them in such a way that I want to. What you are leaving out of the picture is the finances that we are working with in comparison with other clubs, and the fact that we are right on the tails of some of those spending treble the amount we are. We all know we have been missing strikers, but I don't see the failure to bring one in as being something to beat Burke with, it is a consequence of having two on the payroll already that we can't use and being restricted on what we can spend. Baldseagull
  • Score: 1

6:15am Thu 27 Mar 14

Albion In Staffs says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
If so much is wrong with the decisions that Oscar and others at the club are making, how come we are where we are in the table? Win our game in hand and all is to play for. I am not saying that the right players have left, or that the right players have come in, but regardless or what are perceiced as, poor decisions, we are today on the doorstep of the playoffs.
I am not sure how people can say we should have done better given who we have in the squad, when at the same time complain about the business carried out by the club with reference to those sold, bought or borrowed. Either we have the right squad or we don't, or perhaps you are suggesting that the squad is good enough, it's Oscar that needs to go, and if that's the call, then I just don't get where you are coming from.
Where we are in the table is relative to expectation and we have a club which openly trades on a target of promotion. They certainly shouldn't be criticised for such a vision or for potentially failing this season, but on that basis no, the squad is currently not good enough.
So, at this stage of the season, even with the play offs still an outside option, i think it's fair enough for fans to assess our status relative to the target.
Had the club suggested this might be a season of transition after GP, expectation may have been different and where we are in the table may have been judged rather more benevolently although there will always be dissenting voices. Personally, I admire the work being done on the business side of the club but from a playing perspective right now, we simply don't have a squad that's competitive enough or deep enough to be in the top 6.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: If so much is wrong with the decisions that Oscar and others at the club are making, how come we are where we are in the table? Win our game in hand and all is to play for. I am not saying that the right players have left, or that the right players have come in, but regardless or what are perceiced as, poor decisions, we are today on the doorstep of the playoffs. I am not sure how people can say we should have done better given who we have in the squad, when at the same time complain about the business carried out by the club with reference to those sold, bought or borrowed. Either we have the right squad or we don't, or perhaps you are suggesting that the squad is good enough, it's Oscar that needs to go, and if that's the call, then I just don't get where you are coming from.[/p][/quote]Where we are in the table is relative to expectation and we have a club which openly trades on a target of promotion. They certainly shouldn't be criticised for such a vision or for potentially failing this season, but on that basis no, the squad is currently not good enough. So, at this stage of the season, even with the play offs still an outside option, i think it's fair enough for fans to assess our status relative to the target. Had the club suggested this might be a season of transition after GP, expectation may have been different and where we are in the table may have been judged rather more benevolently although there will always be dissenting voices. Personally, I admire the work being done on the business side of the club but from a playing perspective right now, we simply don't have a squad that's competitive enough or deep enough to be in the top 6. Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 2

7:04am Thu 27 Mar 14

DADDYG says...

My 12 year old son eat, sleeps, breathes and just lives for football - especially the Albion. 39 goals in 37 games is unnacceptable. Tactics are so dam negative He has been in tears the last two games and actually fell asleep at the game on Saturday ! We listen to Oscar on the radio on the way home, and just think how the hell does he motivate a dressing room ?? Sorry, we do love the Albion, but it is all so frustrating and playing one up front is ridiculous.
My 12 year old son eat, sleeps, breathes and just lives for football - especially the Albion. 39 goals in 37 games is unnacceptable. Tactics are so dam negative He has been in tears the last two games and actually fell asleep at the game on Saturday ! We listen to Oscar on the radio on the way home, and just think how the hell does he motivate a dressing room ?? Sorry, we do love the Albion, but it is all so frustrating and playing one up front is ridiculous. DADDYG
  • Score: 1

7:50am Thu 27 Mar 14

Far gull says...

DADDYG wrote:
My 12 year old son eat, sleeps, breathes and just lives for football - especially the Albion. 39 goals in 37 games is unnacceptable. Tactics are so dam negative He has been in tears the last two games and actually fell asleep at the game on Saturday ! We listen to Oscar on the radio on the way home, and just think how the hell does he motivate a dressing room ?? Sorry, we do love the Albion, but it is all so frustrating and playing one up front is ridiculous.
I too take my son and he is getting bored too. Have allowed season ticket renewals ,however things need to perk up next season in many ways. Am not even expecting club to spend fortunes we obviously don't have, however i do expect to be entertained(even enjoyed the pleasure of a slow but committed Adam EL Abd side show antics,so I am easily pleased. Even that has been withdrawn)
None of us knows what goes on behind the scenes,at training or in the boardroom. However most of us know ,having watched the Albion and football for years that we are off the pace by some margin this season,our league position flatters us imho . In fact it makes one realise how average all the others teams are Leices and Burnley apart.
We have hung our hat as a club on FFP which is a good stance,however the proof will be in time ,last years problems and this years could turn out to be very wise or not given the momentum of new stadium etc and the impetus that the club has had. This impetus could quickly wane if on field performances are poor to average.
Like Moyes at United, OG/Jones and Barber / Burke will have to Xmas next season but the Knives will and should be out if playing standards don't improve and FFP proves a red herring.
Expect us to get promotion now ;-) not
[quote][p][bold]DADDYG[/bold] wrote: My 12 year old son eat, sleeps, breathes and just lives for football - especially the Albion. 39 goals in 37 games is unnacceptable. Tactics are so dam negative He has been in tears the last two games and actually fell asleep at the game on Saturday ! We listen to Oscar on the radio on the way home, and just think how the hell does he motivate a dressing room ?? Sorry, we do love the Albion, but it is all so frustrating and playing one up front is ridiculous.[/p][/quote]I too take my son and he is getting bored too. Have allowed season ticket renewals ,however things need to perk up next season in many ways. Am not even expecting club to spend fortunes we obviously don't have, however i do expect to be entertained(even enjoyed the pleasure of a slow but committed Adam EL Abd side show antics,so I am easily pleased. Even that has been withdrawn) None of us knows what goes on behind the scenes,at training or in the boardroom. However most of us know ,having watched the Albion and football for years that we are off the pace by some margin this season,our league position flatters us imho . In fact it makes one realise how average all the others teams are Leices and Burnley apart. We have hung our hat as a club on FFP which is a good stance,however the proof will be in time ,last years problems and this years could turn out to be very wise or not given the momentum of new stadium etc and the impetus that the club has had. This impetus could quickly wane if on field performances are poor to average. Like Moyes at United, OG/Jones and Barber / Burke will have to Xmas next season but the Knives will and should be out if playing standards don't improve and FFP proves a red herring. Expect us to get promotion now ;-) not Far gull
  • Score: 2

4:48pm Thu 27 Mar 14

ColinPep1 says...

He does play too negatively, and it's especially a problem at home. But also he was left high and dry by selling Barnes and then not getting someone else when Grabban turned Brighton down. You can't rely on two players still not back from long-term injury. That was obvious 2 months ago.
He does play too negatively, and it's especially a problem at home. But also he was left high and dry by selling Barnes and then not getting someone else when Grabban turned Brighton down. You can't rely on two players still not back from long-term injury. That was obvious 2 months ago. ColinPep1
  • Score: 0

6:38pm Thu 27 Mar 14

Captain Haddock says...

SMF20 wrote:
Some really good posts above. Although at times I've challenged the selection of certain players over others in what looked like a step backwards in terms of positivity, i have to say that OG has also been terribly unlucky where injuries are concerned. Is it fair to say that with everyone fit we would have a side capable of a top 6 finish? Definitely for me... The problem in my eyes and imho only is that our back up players are very much lacking in quality in comparison to their more able colleagues. I genuinely believe the side below would be a match for everyone. Kuz Bruno, Dunk, Upson, Ward Ince Buckley, Stephens, Orlandi, Lua Lua Ulloa I think we have some very able replacements for a few positions but are desperately lacking in others. This has never been more evident than in the last few games where we have really missed Stephens/Crofts energy and Orlandi's inventiveness. I genuinely believe that the player our squad lacks most is the creative midfielder. Orlandi is up to the task but always injured but there is no one who can replace him. Thinking ahead to next season I would look to keep all of the above as well as the likes of Crofts, Cms, Greer and a select few other. I think a big clear out is needed though to allow us to strengthen in key areas. I'll not mention names as I'm sure most of us would agree on who we should thank for their services but move on. My prediction for the remainder of the season is that we WILL be top 6 if Orlandi and Stephens play the majority of the remaining games but WONT be top 6 if they don't. Uta
Excellent post SMS. I wholeheartedly agree with you in general and in particular with regards to the creative midfielder point.

The lineup you've suggested would be a definite top six and possibly even top two line up but without the creative midfielder element, it's a whole different ball game.

I too think that we can still make the top six if we can play at least one of Orlandi and Stephens in each match between now and the beginning of May. If we do that and if we managed to pull off the unlikely and go up via Wembley then fantastic! If we don't, we will need to see Stephens developed into next season and also look to maybe bring in another.
[quote][p][bold]SMF20[/bold] wrote: Some really good posts above. Although at times I've challenged the selection of certain players over others in what looked like a step backwards in terms of positivity, i have to say that OG has also been terribly unlucky where injuries are concerned. Is it fair to say that with everyone fit we would have a side capable of a top 6 finish? Definitely for me... The problem in my eyes and imho only is that our back up players are very much lacking in quality in comparison to their more able colleagues. I genuinely believe the side below would be a match for everyone. Kuz Bruno, Dunk, Upson, Ward Ince Buckley, Stephens, Orlandi, Lua Lua Ulloa I think we have some very able replacements for a few positions but are desperately lacking in others. This has never been more evident than in the last few games where we have really missed Stephens/Crofts energy and Orlandi's inventiveness. I genuinely believe that the player our squad lacks most is the creative midfielder. Orlandi is up to the task but always injured but there is no one who can replace him. Thinking ahead to next season I would look to keep all of the above as well as the likes of Crofts, Cms, Greer and a select few other. I think a big clear out is needed though to allow us to strengthen in key areas. I'll not mention names as I'm sure most of us would agree on who we should thank for their services but move on. My prediction for the remainder of the season is that we WILL be top 6 if Orlandi and Stephens play the majority of the remaining games but WONT be top 6 if they don't. Uta[/p][/quote]Excellent post SMS. I wholeheartedly agree with you in general and in particular with regards to the creative midfielder point. The lineup you've suggested would be a definite top six and possibly even top two line up but without the creative midfielder element, it's a whole different ball game. I too think that we can still make the top six if we can play at least one of Orlandi and Stephens in each match between now and the beginning of May. If we do that and if we managed to pull off the unlikely and go up via Wembley then fantastic! If we don't, we will need to see Stephens developed into next season and also look to maybe bring in another. Captain Haddock
  • Score: 1

6:39pm Thu 27 Mar 14

Captain Haddock says...

Baldseagull wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Aldrington Halt wrote: They say a bad workman blames his tools..well maybe in this case he's having trouble selecting the right ones? Hard to tell but there seems to be a lack of that something, that bit to the left or to the right which makes a chance into 3 points. A clinical striker, perhaps....UTA
Problem with comments like yours is it's a typical one of people who need to realise the club is reactive rather than pro active... OG has faults, but the lack of support from the suits is the same as Gus leaving, if you worded OG comments more directly at the club, it would be " I am trying to do my job without the tools" Gus lost the plot after the had traveled to holland to finalise the deal for van dyke ... Club then changed mind over the deal, leaving Gus looking like a idiot. Don't blame OG for selling Barnes , Burke decided he was worth 7k a week and not more. Had we kept Barnes I would be confident we would be in the play offs. PLEASE REMEMEBER OG HAS NO CONTROL OVER THE FIANL SAY IN BRINGING PLAYERS IN,
If you mean OG does not hold the purse strings, you are of course correct, but even if he did, there is only so much in the purse. This is a tricky time to be making big signings in the Championship, a lot of players are never going to get a pay packet as big as the one they currently receive ever again. There will be clubs suffering next season for overspending and not going up, there will be players looking for fat wages and finding no club can pay it, not for more than one season anyway. As for the club getting cold feet over Van Dijk, I don't know, but Gus had brought in a lot of youth that did not work out, Bergkamp, Agdestein, Baz, Battipiedi etc. Barnes gave an interview after he left for Burnley, in which he stated, "If it had been just about the money I would have stayed ay Brighton". He doesn't say it explicitly but that suggests our offer was more per week than Burnley. The problem last night was putting the ball in the net, as much as I liked Barnes, he was wasteful in front of goal, I am not convinced he would have made the difference last night. The only clubs at the top end that we are competing with on a level field are Ipswich and Derby, the rest are overspending or spending parachute payments. You make it sound as though Burke is just sitting on a pile of cash and has not bothered to bring anyone in, that is not the case.
Very good points.
[quote][p][bold]Baldseagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Aldrington Halt[/bold] wrote: They say a bad workman blames his tools..well maybe in this case he's having trouble selecting the right ones? Hard to tell but there seems to be a lack of that something, that bit to the left or to the right which makes a chance into 3 points. A clinical striker, perhaps....UTA[/p][/quote]Problem with comments like yours is it's a typical one of people who need to realise the club is reactive rather than pro active... OG has faults, but the lack of support from the suits is the same as Gus leaving, if you worded OG comments more directly at the club, it would be " I am trying to do my job without the tools" Gus lost the plot after the had traveled to holland to finalise the deal for van dyke ... Club then changed mind over the deal, leaving Gus looking like a idiot. Don't blame OG for selling Barnes , Burke decided he was worth 7k a week and not more. Had we kept Barnes I would be confident we would be in the play offs. PLEASE REMEMEBER OG HAS NO CONTROL OVER THE FIANL SAY IN BRINGING PLAYERS IN,[/p][/quote]If you mean OG does not hold the purse strings, you are of course correct, but even if he did, there is only so much in the purse. This is a tricky time to be making big signings in the Championship, a lot of players are never going to get a pay packet as big as the one they currently receive ever again. There will be clubs suffering next season for overspending and not going up, there will be players looking for fat wages and finding no club can pay it, not for more than one season anyway. As for the club getting cold feet over Van Dijk, I don't know, but Gus had brought in a lot of youth that did not work out, Bergkamp, Agdestein, Baz, Battipiedi etc. Barnes gave an interview after he left for Burnley, in which he stated, "If it had been just about the money I would have stayed ay Brighton". He doesn't say it explicitly but that suggests our offer was more per week than Burnley. The problem last night was putting the ball in the net, as much as I liked Barnes, he was wasteful in front of goal, I am not convinced he would have made the difference last night. The only clubs at the top end that we are competing with on a level field are Ipswich and Derby, the rest are overspending or spending parachute payments. You make it sound as though Burke is just sitting on a pile of cash and has not bothered to bring anyone in, that is not the case.[/p][/quote]Very good points. Captain Haddock
  • Score: 0

12:35am Fri 28 Mar 14

Aldrington Halt says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Aldrington Halt wrote:
They say a bad workman blames his tools..well maybe in this case he's having trouble selecting the right ones? Hard to tell but there seems to be a lack of that something, that bit to the left or to the right which makes a chance into 3 points. A clinical striker, perhaps....UTA
Problem with comments like yours is it's a typical one of people who need to realise the club is reactive rather than pro active... OG has faults, but the lack of support from the suits is the same as Gus leaving, if you worded OG comments more directly at the club, it would be " I am trying to do my job without the tools" Gus lost the plot after the had traveled to holland to finalise the deal for van dyke ... Club then changed mind over the deal, leaving Gus looking like a idiot.
Don't blame OG for selling Barnes , Burke decided he was worth 7k a week and not more.
Had we kept Barnes I would be confident we would be in the play offs.
PLEASE REMEMEBER OG HAS NO CONTROL OVER THE FIANL SAY IN BRINGING PLAYERS IN,
Thanks for the lesson Mark? I wasn't insinuating that Barnes was the missing clinical striker and I understand OG's restrictions in player purchasing. I'm pleased that we're in roughly the same league position as this time last season and this only proves Oscars worth, him being new to England, our club and all the other adversities he's faced so far this season. My clinical striker remark was ironic and was perhaps missing a question mark.. I'm of the opinion there's enough talented players here to get up there we've all seen the pretty solid defence all season but lacking something special for a winning strategy up front. Oscars method to rotate the squad and include the development guys has improved the team from last season and boosted morale but it seems like he's personally hit a wall now at the edge of the playoffs. Kaz and Bucks on the wings with Leo in the center was Gus's answer last year which worked for a while and just managed to pull us in to contention. My point is Oscar must have known what he had to work with (restricted budget/director of football etc) when he started the job so I don't believe this moan is born out of the same frustrations as Gus, however the strain is showing now and with 9 games to go I'm interested to see him regain his early confidence, pull out the stops with what's left in the bag and break us into the top 6. UTA
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Aldrington Halt[/bold] wrote: They say a bad workman blames his tools..well maybe in this case he's having trouble selecting the right ones? Hard to tell but there seems to be a lack of that something, that bit to the left or to the right which makes a chance into 3 points. A clinical striker, perhaps....UTA[/p][/quote]Problem with comments like yours is it's a typical one of people who need to realise the club is reactive rather than pro active... OG has faults, but the lack of support from the suits is the same as Gus leaving, if you worded OG comments more directly at the club, it would be " I am trying to do my job without the tools" Gus lost the plot after the had traveled to holland to finalise the deal for van dyke ... Club then changed mind over the deal, leaving Gus looking like a idiot. Don't blame OG for selling Barnes , Burke decided he was worth 7k a week and not more. Had we kept Barnes I would be confident we would be in the play offs. PLEASE REMEMEBER OG HAS NO CONTROL OVER THE FIANL SAY IN BRINGING PLAYERS IN,[/p][/quote]Thanks for the lesson Mark? I wasn't insinuating that Barnes was the missing clinical striker and I understand OG's restrictions in player purchasing. I'm pleased that we're in roughly the same league position as this time last season and this only proves Oscars worth, him being new to England, our club and all the other adversities he's faced so far this season. My clinical striker remark was ironic and was perhaps missing a question mark.. I'm of the opinion there's enough talented players here to get up there we've all seen the pretty solid defence all season but lacking something special for a winning strategy up front. Oscars method to rotate the squad and include the development guys has improved the team from last season and boosted morale but it seems like he's personally hit a wall now at the edge of the playoffs. Kaz and Bucks on the wings with Leo in the center was Gus's answer last year which worked for a while and just managed to pull us in to contention. My point is Oscar must have known what he had to work with (restricted budget/director of football etc) when he started the job so I don't believe this moan is born out of the same frustrations as Gus, however the strain is showing now and with 9 games to go I'm interested to see him regain his early confidence, pull out the stops with what's left in the bag and break us into the top 6. UTA Aldrington Halt
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