Jones targets away double test for Seagulls

Nathan Jones

Nathan Jones

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Nathan Jones has targeted the next two away games as crucial to Albion staying in contention for the play-offs after last night's "massive" point at Blackburn.

The Seagulls go to relegation-threatened Barnsley on Saturday, then champions-elect Leicester next Tuesday.

Three of the four games after that are at the Amex - against Charlton, Blackpool and Yeovil - before the curtain closer at Nottingham Forest.

Assistant head coach Jones said of the 3-3 recovery at Blackburn: "It's massive, the manner of coming back and what it gives to us. If we were four points off the play-off's then it's two results. Now it will take one.

"We've got two games coming up in quick succession. We've got to get results, then we have got a run of games that we are excited about."

Albion are staying at St George's Park again in-between the Barnsley and Leicester games. The national training centre was also their base in January when they won at Port Vale in the FA Cup and drew at Burnley three days later.

Craig Mackail-Smith, fresh from two goals and his first 90 minutes in over a year in the development team's 2-2 draw against Charlton at the Amex on Monday, could be back in contention with fellow long-term injury victim Will Hoskins to bolster the striker options.

Jones said: "It was fantasic to see him (Mackail-Smith) back. We watched the game at the hotel on Monday night. He showed a real desire, looked close to the CMS we know."

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3:46pm Wed 2 Apr 14

East of CrawleyDown says...

The trouble is we need Ipswich Reading and forest to all drop points as well now, this is where results like the home defeat to Barnsley start to look more costly. We can but hope and try though.
The trouble is we need Ipswich Reading and forest to all drop points as well now, this is where results like the home defeat to Barnsley start to look more costly. We can but hope and try though. East of CrawleyDown
  • Score: 2

3:48pm Wed 2 Apr 14

Jonathan Mouette says...

Jones this, Jones that, do I ever get fed up with hearing what Jones has to say...? Well apart from the fact that his latest utterings are blindingly obvious yes I do get ever so slightly fed up... and please don't reply with comments such as "read something else" because he gets everywhere - and our OG is nowhere to be seen. (Doubters can look at http://www.newsnow.c
o.uk/h/Sport/Footbal
l/Championship/Brigh
ton in order to verify.) Hopefully he is busy checking on the fitness of WH and CMS. Now if anyone can tell me why WH was not in the squad last night I'll be very pleased. Roll on Saturday and this time 3points please.
Jones this, Jones that, do I ever get fed up with hearing what Jones has to say...? Well apart from the fact that his latest utterings are blindingly obvious yes I do get ever so slightly fed up... and please don't reply with comments such as "read something else" because he gets everywhere - and our OG is nowhere to be seen. (Doubters can look at http://www.newsnow.c o.uk/h/Sport/Footbal l/Championship/Brigh ton in order to verify.) Hopefully he is busy checking on the fitness of WH and CMS. Now if anyone can tell me why WH was not in the squad last night I'll be very pleased. Roll on Saturday and this time 3points please. Jonathan Mouette
  • Score: -1

3:49pm Wed 2 Apr 14

Gee Jay says...

I wasn't at the game last night but delighted that we were able to bounch back. It sounded as is Gordon Greer was determoned to get something from the game with a gritty captain's performance.
Listening to the commentary it was interesting that Warren Aspinal said at half time, that he would substitute Rohan Ince with Dale Stephens, and they did exactly that.
When Blackburn got the penalty, Warren said 'the keeper's left' and where did Jordan Rhodes put it? Keepers left, where did T.K. go? to the right.
I think the coaches should pick Warren's brain before each game, as he has watched many of these sides,
He also said Barnsley are playing with a passion and for each other right now.........beware, and take note.
UTA
I wasn't at the game last night but delighted that we were able to bounch back. It sounded as is Gordon Greer was determoned to get something from the game with a gritty captain's performance. Listening to the commentary it was interesting that Warren Aspinal said at half time, that he would substitute Rohan Ince with Dale Stephens, and they did exactly that. When Blackburn got the penalty, Warren said 'the keeper's left' and where did Jordan Rhodes put it? Keepers left, where did T.K. go? to the right. I think the coaches should pick Warren's brain before each game, as he has watched many of these sides, He also said Barnsley are playing with a passion and for each other right now.........beware, and take note. UTA Gee Jay
  • Score: 11

4:01pm Wed 2 Apr 14

Willie, Willie Irvine says...

I'd have said the nine points lost in three straight defeats before Blackburn were pretty massive too. An inconvenient truth, I suppose...
I'd have said the nine points lost in three straight defeats before Blackburn were pretty massive too. An inconvenient truth, I suppose... Willie, Willie Irvine
  • Score: 12

4:05pm Wed 2 Apr 14

tug509 says...

Jonathan Mouette wrote:
Jones this, Jones that, do I ever get fed up with hearing what Jones has to say...? Well apart from the fact that his latest utterings are blindingly obvious yes I do get ever so slightly fed up... and please don't reply with comments such as "read something else" because he gets everywhere - and our OG is nowhere to be seen. (Doubters can look at http://www.newsnow.c

o.uk/h/Sport/Footbal

l/Championship/Brigh

ton in order to verify.) Hopefully he is busy checking on the fitness of WH and CMS. Now if anyone can tell me why WH was not in the squad last night I'll be very pleased. Roll on Saturday and this time 3points please.
Hi JM ,i doubt very much if anyone disagrees with your comments ,on the contrary ,i know i`m fed up with the thought that this nobody has such a big say in our team ,while Oscar keeps quiet ,i don`t want to be anti NJ ,but IF he is pulling most of the strings ,why do we have Oscar ?. It might help if,NJ stated that Oscar said........,but it doesn`t come across that way to me .
[quote][p][bold]Jonathan Mouette[/bold] wrote: Jones this, Jones that, do I ever get fed up with hearing what Jones has to say...? Well apart from the fact that his latest utterings are blindingly obvious yes I do get ever so slightly fed up... and please don't reply with comments such as "read something else" because he gets everywhere - and our OG is nowhere to be seen. (Doubters can look at http://www.newsnow.c o.uk/h/Sport/Footbal l/Championship/Brigh ton in order to verify.) Hopefully he is busy checking on the fitness of WH and CMS. Now if anyone can tell me why WH was not in the squad last night I'll be very pleased. Roll on Saturday and this time 3points please.[/p][/quote]Hi JM ,i doubt very much if anyone disagrees with your comments ,on the contrary ,i know i`m fed up with the thought that this nobody has such a big say in our team ,while Oscar keeps quiet ,i don`t want to be anti NJ ,but IF he is pulling most of the strings ,why do we have Oscar ?. It might help if,NJ stated that Oscar said........,but it doesn`t come across that way to me . tug509
  • Score: 2

4:08pm Wed 2 Apr 14

tug509 says...

Gee Jay wrote:
I wasn't at the game last night but delighted that we were able to bounch back. It sounded as is Gordon Greer was determoned to get something from the game with a gritty captain's performance.
Listening to the commentary it was interesting that Warren Aspinal said at half time, that he would substitute Rohan Ince with Dale Stephens, and they did exactly that.
When Blackburn got the penalty, Warren said 'the keeper's left' and where did Jordan Rhodes put it? Keepers left, where did T.K. go? to the right.
I think the coaches should pick Warren's brain before each game, as he has watched many of these sides,
He also said Barnsley are playing with a passion and for each other right now.........beware, and take note.
UTA
Sorry Gee Jay ,the pen went to the keepers right !.
[quote][p][bold]Gee Jay[/bold] wrote: I wasn't at the game last night but delighted that we were able to bounch back. It sounded as is Gordon Greer was determoned to get something from the game with a gritty captain's performance. Listening to the commentary it was interesting that Warren Aspinal said at half time, that he would substitute Rohan Ince with Dale Stephens, and they did exactly that. When Blackburn got the penalty, Warren said 'the keeper's left' and where did Jordan Rhodes put it? Keepers left, where did T.K. go? to the right. I think the coaches should pick Warren's brain before each game, as he has watched many of these sides, He also said Barnsley are playing with a passion and for each other right now.........beware, and take note. UTA[/p][/quote]Sorry Gee Jay ,the pen went to the keepers right !. tug509
  • Score: 7

4:08pm Wed 2 Apr 14

championshipgull says...

East of CrawleyDown wrote:
The trouble is we need Ipswich Reading and forest to all drop points as well now, this is where results like the home defeat to Barnsley start to look more costly. We can but hope and try though.
Interestingly both Reading and Ipswich have 2 consecutive away games now as well. I am confident we can overhaul them both by the end of the season particularly Reading who have a really tough run in. I think our main threat to a play-off place is an unpredictable Forest. I can see this all going down to the last day at the city ground.
[quote][p][bold]East of CrawleyDown[/bold] wrote: The trouble is we need Ipswich Reading and forest to all drop points as well now, this is where results like the home defeat to Barnsley start to look more costly. We can but hope and try though.[/p][/quote]Interestingly both Reading and Ipswich have 2 consecutive away games now as well. I am confident we can overhaul them both by the end of the season particularly Reading who have a really tough run in. I think our main threat to a play-off place is an unpredictable Forest. I can see this all going down to the last day at the city ground. championshipgull
  • Score: 9

4:40pm Wed 2 Apr 14

The Bosch says...

tug509 wrote:
Jonathan Mouette wrote:
Jones this, Jones that, do I ever get fed up with hearing what Jones has to say...? Well apart from the fact that his latest utterings are blindingly obvious yes I do get ever so slightly fed up... and please don't reply with comments such as "read something else" because he gets everywhere - and our OG is nowhere to be seen. (Doubters can look at http://www.newsnow.c


o.uk/h/Sport/Footbal


l/Championship/Brigh


ton in order to verify.) Hopefully he is busy checking on the fitness of WH and CMS. Now if anyone can tell me why WH was not in the squad last night I'll be very pleased. Roll on Saturday and this time 3points please.
Hi JM ,i doubt very much if anyone disagrees with your comments ,on the contrary ,i know i`m fed up with the thought that this nobody has such a big say in our team ,while Oscar keeps quiet ,i don`t want to be anti NJ ,but IF he is pulling most of the strings ,why do we have Oscar ?. It might help if,NJ stated that Oscar said........,but it doesn`t come across that way to me .
Great post tug509. You make some very good points.
[quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jonathan Mouette[/bold] wrote: Jones this, Jones that, do I ever get fed up with hearing what Jones has to say...? Well apart from the fact that his latest utterings are blindingly obvious yes I do get ever so slightly fed up... and please don't reply with comments such as "read something else" because he gets everywhere - and our OG is nowhere to be seen. (Doubters can look at http://www.newsnow.c o.uk/h/Sport/Footbal l/Championship/Brigh ton in order to verify.) Hopefully he is busy checking on the fitness of WH and CMS. Now if anyone can tell me why WH was not in the squad last night I'll be very pleased. Roll on Saturday and this time 3points please.[/p][/quote]Hi JM ,i doubt very much if anyone disagrees with your comments ,on the contrary ,i know i`m fed up with the thought that this nobody has such a big say in our team ,while Oscar keeps quiet ,i don`t want to be anti NJ ,but IF he is pulling most of the strings ,why do we have Oscar ?. It might help if,NJ stated that Oscar said........,but it doesn`t come across that way to me .[/p][/quote]Great post tug509. You make some very good points. The Bosch
  • Score: -2

4:45pm Wed 2 Apr 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

tug509 wrote:
Jonathan Mouette wrote:
Jones this, Jones that, do I ever get fed up with hearing what Jones has to say...? Well apart from the fact that his latest utterings are blindingly obvious yes I do get ever so slightly fed up... and please don't reply with comments such as "read something else" because he gets everywhere - and our OG is nowhere to be seen. (Doubters can look at http://www.newsnow.c


o.uk/h/Sport/Footbal


l/Championship/Brigh


ton in order to verify.) Hopefully he is busy checking on the fitness of WH and CMS. Now if anyone can tell me why WH was not in the squad last night I'll be very pleased. Roll on Saturday and this time 3points please.
Hi JM ,i doubt very much if anyone disagrees with your comments ,on the contrary ,i know i`m fed up with the thought that this nobody has such a big say in our team ,while Oscar keeps quiet ,i don`t want to be anti NJ ,but IF he is pulling most of the strings ,why do we have Oscar ?. It might help if,NJ stated that Oscar said........,but it doesn`t come across that way to me .
Why do people think that just because NJ does the interviews (almost certainly because OG doesn't like doing them) that he has a commensurate amount of say in the final lineup? He talks, that's what he does. He's happy doing that. I just don't see the leap of logic that makes anyone think that means he has too much influence in the make-up of the team-sheet. In fact I wouldn't be surprised to learn he has almost no say in the match lineup, and that he is responsible for nothing more than training and interviews.

And to Jonathan Mouette: Will Hoskins is recovering from a niggle (soreness I believe), something that stopped him playing in the recent dev squad match. (This was reported in the Argus I believe, or maybe Naylor's Twitter feed.)
[quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jonathan Mouette[/bold] wrote: Jones this, Jones that, do I ever get fed up with hearing what Jones has to say...? Well apart from the fact that his latest utterings are blindingly obvious yes I do get ever so slightly fed up... and please don't reply with comments such as "read something else" because he gets everywhere - and our OG is nowhere to be seen. (Doubters can look at http://www.newsnow.c o.uk/h/Sport/Footbal l/Championship/Brigh ton in order to verify.) Hopefully he is busy checking on the fitness of WH and CMS. Now if anyone can tell me why WH was not in the squad last night I'll be very pleased. Roll on Saturday and this time 3points please.[/p][/quote]Hi JM ,i doubt very much if anyone disagrees with your comments ,on the contrary ,i know i`m fed up with the thought that this nobody has such a big say in our team ,while Oscar keeps quiet ,i don`t want to be anti NJ ,but IF he is pulling most of the strings ,why do we have Oscar ?. It might help if,NJ stated that Oscar said........,but it doesn`t come across that way to me .[/p][/quote]Why do people think that just because NJ does the interviews (almost certainly because OG doesn't like doing them) that he has a commensurate amount of say in the final lineup? He talks, that's what he does. He's happy doing that. I just don't see the leap of logic that makes anyone think that means he has too much influence in the make-up of the team-sheet. In fact I wouldn't be surprised to learn he has almost no say in the match lineup, and that he is responsible for nothing more than training and interviews. And to Jonathan Mouette: Will Hoskins is recovering from a niggle (soreness I believe), something that stopped him playing in the recent dev squad match. (This was reported in the Argus I believe, or maybe Naylor's Twitter feed.) Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 7

4:46pm Wed 2 Apr 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

In a nutshell: OG is the HEAD Coach, NJ is his ASSISTANT.
In a nutshell: OG is the HEAD Coach, NJ is his ASSISTANT. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 4

4:57pm Wed 2 Apr 14

pte says...

OG IS THE VENTRILOQUIST AND NJ IS THE DUMMY
OG IS THE VENTRILOQUIST AND NJ IS THE DUMMY pte
  • Score: 1

5:07pm Wed 2 Apr 14

oksouthstander says...

Gee Jay wrote:
I wasn't at the game last night but delighted that we were able to bounch back. It sounded as is Gordon Greer was determoned to get something from the game with a gritty captain's performance.
Listening to the commentary it was interesting that Warren Aspinal said at half time, that he would substitute Rohan Ince with Dale Stephens, and they did exactly that.
When Blackburn got the penalty, Warren said 'the keeper's left' and where did Jordan Rhodes put it? Keepers left, where did T.K. go? to the right.
I think the coaches should pick Warren's brain before each game, as he has watched many of these sides,
He also said Barnsley are playing with a passion and for each other right now.........beware, and take note.
UTA
Warren Aspinal has been around the game a long time with a wealth experience.The away SP broadcasts are always spot on with Warren.Just a shame he doesn't cover the home games as Budgie Byrne seems to be missing..Good result last night had them down for a point with 4 points to come from Barnsley and Leicester City.Still on course for the play-offs right to the last game at Notts Forrest.
5 Barnsley (A) 3
60
8 Leicester City (A) 1 61
12 Charlton Athletic (H) 3 64
19 Huddersfield Town (A) 1 65
21 Blackpool (H)
3 68
25 Yeovil Town (H) 3 71
May
3 Nottingham Forest (A) 1 72
[quote][p][bold]Gee Jay[/bold] wrote: I wasn't at the game last night but delighted that we were able to bounch back. It sounded as is Gordon Greer was determoned to get something from the game with a gritty captain's performance. Listening to the commentary it was interesting that Warren Aspinal said at half time, that he would substitute Rohan Ince with Dale Stephens, and they did exactly that. When Blackburn got the penalty, Warren said 'the keeper's left' and where did Jordan Rhodes put it? Keepers left, where did T.K. go? to the right. I think the coaches should pick Warren's brain before each game, as he has watched many of these sides, He also said Barnsley are playing with a passion and for each other right now.........beware, and take note. UTA[/p][/quote]Warren Aspinal has been around the game a long time with a wealth experience.The away SP broadcasts are always spot on with Warren.Just a shame he doesn't cover the home games as Budgie Byrne seems to be missing..Good result last night had them down for a point with 4 points to come from Barnsley and Leicester City.Still on course for the play-offs right to the last game at Notts Forrest. 5 Barnsley (A) 3 60 8 Leicester City (A) 1 61 12 Charlton Athletic (H) 3 64 19 Huddersfield Town (A) 1 65 21 Blackpool (H) 3 68 25 Yeovil Town (H) 3 71 May 3 Nottingham Forest (A) 1 72 oksouthstander
  • Score: 2

5:13pm Wed 2 Apr 14

oksouthstander says...

On course for 72 points and a Play-off place.Same number of Pal-arse points last season.4 points from the next 2 away games with a return of CMS at the Amex....
On course for 72 points and a Play-off place.Same number of Pal-arse points last season.4 points from the next 2 away games with a return of CMS at the Amex.... oksouthstander
  • Score: 4

6:34pm Wed 2 Apr 14

gordongull says...

oksouthstander wrote:
On course for 72 points and a Play-off place.Same number of Pal-arse points last season.4 points from the next 2 away games with a return of CMS at the Amex....
Leicester actually finished 6th last season on an unusually low 68 points, but the 10 year average for 6th place in the Championship is 73 points, so you might need to factor in an extra win.
[quote][p][bold]oksouthstander[/bold] wrote: On course for 72 points and a Play-off place.Same number of Pal-arse points last season.4 points from the next 2 away games with a return of CMS at the Amex....[/p][/quote]Leicester actually finished 6th last season on an unusually low 68 points, but the 10 year average for 6th place in the Championship is 73 points, so you might need to factor in an extra win. gordongull
  • Score: 2

6:40pm Wed 2 Apr 14

OldGull says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
tug509 wrote:
Jonathan Mouette wrote:
Jones this, Jones that, do I ever get fed up with hearing what Jones has to say...? Well apart from the fact that his latest utterings are blindingly obvious yes I do get ever so slightly fed up... and please don't reply with comments such as "read something else" because he gets everywhere - and our OG is nowhere to be seen. (Doubters can look at http://www.newsnow.c



o.uk/h/Sport/Footbal



l/Championship/Brigh



ton in order to verify.) Hopefully he is busy checking on the fitness of WH and CMS. Now if anyone can tell me why WH was not in the squad last night I'll be very pleased. Roll on Saturday and this time 3points please.
Hi JM ,i doubt very much if anyone disagrees with your comments ,on the contrary ,i know i`m fed up with the thought that this nobody has such a big say in our team ,while Oscar keeps quiet ,i don`t want to be anti NJ ,but IF he is pulling most of the strings ,why do we have Oscar ?. It might help if,NJ stated that Oscar said........,but it doesn`t come across that way to me .
Why do people think that just because NJ does the interviews (almost certainly because OG doesn't like doing them) that he has a commensurate amount of say in the final lineup? He talks, that's what he does. He's happy doing that. I just don't see the leap of logic that makes anyone think that means he has too much influence in the make-up of the team-sheet. In fact I wouldn't be surprised to learn he has almost no say in the match lineup, and that he is responsible for nothing more than training and interviews.

And to Jonathan Mouette: Will Hoskins is recovering from a niggle (soreness I believe), something that stopped him playing in the recent dev squad match. (This was reported in the Argus I believe, or maybe Naylor's Twitter feed.)
Well said Arnie.

The simplistic thinking of some on here is remarkable

They think NJ makes the decisions because they do not hear from OG
They think Barber makes all the decisions because they do not hear from TB.
They think the club does not look for players because they keep quiet about their dealings.
Last year they complained that Gus had too much to say, and now OG does not say enough.
Apparently we are rubbish despite being in the 10th highest position in our history
For just once in their life I wish they would half fill the glass.
UTA
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jonathan Mouette[/bold] wrote: Jones this, Jones that, do I ever get fed up with hearing what Jones has to say...? Well apart from the fact that his latest utterings are blindingly obvious yes I do get ever so slightly fed up... and please don't reply with comments such as "read something else" because he gets everywhere - and our OG is nowhere to be seen. (Doubters can look at http://www.newsnow.c o.uk/h/Sport/Footbal l/Championship/Brigh ton in order to verify.) Hopefully he is busy checking on the fitness of WH and CMS. Now if anyone can tell me why WH was not in the squad last night I'll be very pleased. Roll on Saturday and this time 3points please.[/p][/quote]Hi JM ,i doubt very much if anyone disagrees with your comments ,on the contrary ,i know i`m fed up with the thought that this nobody has such a big say in our team ,while Oscar keeps quiet ,i don`t want to be anti NJ ,but IF he is pulling most of the strings ,why do we have Oscar ?. It might help if,NJ stated that Oscar said........,but it doesn`t come across that way to me .[/p][/quote]Why do people think that just because NJ does the interviews (almost certainly because OG doesn't like doing them) that he has a commensurate amount of say in the final lineup? He talks, that's what he does. He's happy doing that. I just don't see the leap of logic that makes anyone think that means he has too much influence in the make-up of the team-sheet. In fact I wouldn't be surprised to learn he has almost no say in the match lineup, and that he is responsible for nothing more than training and interviews. And to Jonathan Mouette: Will Hoskins is recovering from a niggle (soreness I believe), something that stopped him playing in the recent dev squad match. (This was reported in the Argus I believe, or maybe Naylor's Twitter feed.)[/p][/quote]Well said Arnie. The simplistic thinking of some on here is remarkable They think NJ makes the decisions because they do not hear from OG They think Barber makes all the decisions because they do not hear from TB. They think the club does not look for players because they keep quiet about their dealings. Last year they complained that Gus had too much to say, and now OG does not say enough. Apparently we are rubbish despite being in the 10th highest position in our history For just once in their life I wish they would half fill the glass. UTA OldGull
  • Score: 9

6:47pm Wed 2 Apr 14

gordongull says...

I am pleased that Nathan has joined me in targeting the next two away games as crucial to Albion staying in contention for the play-offs.
I would be interested to find out if our Head Coach is also targeting the games as crucial.
It will be his tactics and decisions which decide the outcome.
I am pleased that Nathan has joined me in targeting the next two away games as crucial to Albion staying in contention for the play-offs. I would be interested to find out if our Head Coach is also targeting the games as crucial. It will be his tactics and decisions which decide the outcome. gordongull
  • Score: 1

6:55pm Wed 2 Apr 14

OldGull says...

gordongull wrote:
I am pleased that Nathan has joined me in targeting the next two away games as crucial to Albion staying in contention for the play-offs.
I would be interested to find out if our Head Coach is also targeting the games as crucial.
It will be his tactics and decisions which decide the outcome.
He has previously stated the next game is the most important
[quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: I am pleased that Nathan has joined me in targeting the next two away games as crucial to Albion staying in contention for the play-offs. I would be interested to find out if our Head Coach is also targeting the games as crucial. It will be his tactics and decisions which decide the outcome.[/p][/quote]He has previously stated the next game is the most important OldGull
  • Score: 2

7:13pm Wed 2 Apr 14

gordongull says...

OldGull wrote:
gordongull wrote:
I am pleased that Nathan has joined me in targeting the next two away games as crucial to Albion staying in contention for the play-offs.
I would be interested to find out if our Head Coach is also targeting the games as crucial.
It will be his tactics and decisions which decide the outcome.
He has previously stated the next game is the most important
Maybe it lost something in the translation, (as I think has happened with the nuances contained in my comment.)
[quote][p][bold]OldGull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: I am pleased that Nathan has joined me in targeting the next two away games as crucial to Albion staying in contention for the play-offs. I would be interested to find out if our Head Coach is also targeting the games as crucial. It will be his tactics and decisions which decide the outcome.[/p][/quote]He has previously stated the next game is the most important[/p][/quote]Maybe it lost something in the translation, (as I think has happened with the nuances contained in my comment.) gordongull
  • Score: 0

8:13pm Wed 2 Apr 14

tug509 says...

OldGull wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
tug509 wrote:
Jonathan Mouette wrote:
Jones this, Jones that, do I ever get fed up with hearing what Jones has to say...? Well apart from the fact that his latest utterings are blindingly obvious yes I do get ever so slightly fed up... and please don't reply with comments such as "read something else" because he gets everywhere - and our OG is nowhere to be seen. (Doubters can look at http://www.newsnow.c




o.uk/h/Sport/Footbal




l/Championship/Brigh




ton in order to verify.) Hopefully he is busy checking on the fitness of WH and CMS. Now if anyone can tell me why WH was not in the squad last night I'll be very pleased. Roll on Saturday and this time 3points please.
Hi JM ,i doubt very much if anyone disagrees with your comments ,on the contrary ,i know i`m fed up with the thought that this nobody has such a big say in our team ,while Oscar keeps quiet ,i don`t want to be anti NJ ,but IF he is pulling most of the strings ,why do we have Oscar ?. It might help if,NJ stated that Oscar said........,but it doesn`t come across that way to me .
Why do people think that just because NJ does the interviews (almost certainly because OG doesn't like doing them) that he has a commensurate amount of say in the final lineup? He talks, that's what he does. He's happy doing that. I just don't see the leap of logic that makes anyone think that means he has too much influence in the make-up of the team-sheet. In fact I wouldn't be surprised to learn he has almost no say in the match lineup, and that he is responsible for nothing more than training and interviews.

And to Jonathan Mouette: Will Hoskins is recovering from a niggle (soreness I believe), something that stopped him playing in the recent dev squad match. (This was reported in the Argus I believe, or maybe Naylor's Twitter feed.)
Well said Arnie.

The simplistic thinking of some on here is remarkable

They think NJ makes the decisions because they do not hear from OG
They think Barber makes all the decisions because they do not hear from TB.
They think the club does not look for players because they keep quiet about their dealings.
Last year they complained that Gus had too much to say, and now OG does not say enough.
Apparently we are rubbish despite being in the 10th highest position in our history
For just once in their life I wish they would half fill the glass.
UTA
I would not set out to offend you lads ,but this is a forum for discussion and debate ,so if either of you can categorically assure us that NJs influence isn`t involved in team selection or choice ie: (one MF over another) then fine ,but equally if he isn`t advising Oscar ,then he is not doing his job . I know ,the guy cant win ,but more importantly ,with recent team selections ,nor can we ,who do you choose ?. Surely you can see why the speculation .
Personally i would be chuffed to hear Oscar`s broken English , even if NJ had to assist with pre/post commentaries ,OMHO. UTA
[quote][p][bold]OldGull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jonathan Mouette[/bold] wrote: Jones this, Jones that, do I ever get fed up with hearing what Jones has to say...? Well apart from the fact that his latest utterings are blindingly obvious yes I do get ever so slightly fed up... and please don't reply with comments such as "read something else" because he gets everywhere - and our OG is nowhere to be seen. (Doubters can look at http://www.newsnow.c o.uk/h/Sport/Footbal l/Championship/Brigh ton in order to verify.) Hopefully he is busy checking on the fitness of WH and CMS. Now if anyone can tell me why WH was not in the squad last night I'll be very pleased. Roll on Saturday and this time 3points please.[/p][/quote]Hi JM ,i doubt very much if anyone disagrees with your comments ,on the contrary ,i know i`m fed up with the thought that this nobody has such a big say in our team ,while Oscar keeps quiet ,i don`t want to be anti NJ ,but IF he is pulling most of the strings ,why do we have Oscar ?. It might help if,NJ stated that Oscar said........,but it doesn`t come across that way to me .[/p][/quote]Why do people think that just because NJ does the interviews (almost certainly because OG doesn't like doing them) that he has a commensurate amount of say in the final lineup? He talks, that's what he does. He's happy doing that. I just don't see the leap of logic that makes anyone think that means he has too much influence in the make-up of the team-sheet. In fact I wouldn't be surprised to learn he has almost no say in the match lineup, and that he is responsible for nothing more than training and interviews. And to Jonathan Mouette: Will Hoskins is recovering from a niggle (soreness I believe), something that stopped him playing in the recent dev squad match. (This was reported in the Argus I believe, or maybe Naylor's Twitter feed.)[/p][/quote]Well said Arnie. The simplistic thinking of some on here is remarkable They think NJ makes the decisions because they do not hear from OG They think Barber makes all the decisions because they do not hear from TB. They think the club does not look for players because they keep quiet about their dealings. Last year they complained that Gus had too much to say, and now OG does not say enough. Apparently we are rubbish despite being in the 10th highest position in our history For just once in their life I wish they would half fill the glass. UTA[/p][/quote]I would not set out to offend you lads ,but this is a forum for discussion and debate ,so if either of you can categorically assure us that NJs influence isn`t involved in team selection or choice ie: (one MF over another) then fine ,but equally if he isn`t advising Oscar ,then he is not doing his job . I know ,the guy cant win ,but more importantly ,with recent team selections ,nor can we ,who do you choose ?. Surely you can see why the speculation . Personally i would be chuffed to hear Oscar`s broken English , even if NJ had to assist with pre/post commentaries ,OMHO. UTA tug509
  • Score: 0

8:16pm Wed 2 Apr 14

ringtone says...

Greers fluke goal last night made me think that It would help if our centre backs chipped in with 20 goals between them in a season, look at martyn skertel at liverpool for an example of a player earning his wages. UTA
Greers fluke goal last night made me think that It would help if our centre backs chipped in with 20 goals between them in a season, look at martyn skertel at liverpool for an example of a player earning his wages. UTA ringtone
  • Score: -7

8:23pm Wed 2 Apr 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

tug509 wrote:
OldGull wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
tug509 wrote:
Jonathan Mouette wrote:
Jones this, Jones that, do I ever get fed up with hearing what Jones has to say...? Well apart from the fact that his latest utterings are blindingly obvious yes I do get ever so slightly fed up... and please don't reply with comments such as "read something else" because he gets everywhere - and our OG is nowhere to be seen. (Doubters can look at http://www.newsnow.c





o.uk/h/Sport/Footbal





l/Championship/Brigh





ton in order to verify.) Hopefully he is busy checking on the fitness of WH and CMS. Now if anyone can tell me why WH was not in the squad last night I'll be very pleased. Roll on Saturday and this time 3points please.
Hi JM ,i doubt very much if anyone disagrees with your comments ,on the contrary ,i know i`m fed up with the thought that this nobody has such a big say in our team ,while Oscar keeps quiet ,i don`t want to be anti NJ ,but IF he is pulling most of the strings ,why do we have Oscar ?. It might help if,NJ stated that Oscar said........,but it doesn`t come across that way to me .
Why do people think that just because NJ does the interviews (almost certainly because OG doesn't like doing them) that he has a commensurate amount of say in the final lineup? He talks, that's what he does. He's happy doing that. I just don't see the leap of logic that makes anyone think that means he has too much influence in the make-up of the team-sheet. In fact I wouldn't be surprised to learn he has almost no say in the match lineup, and that he is responsible for nothing more than training and interviews.

And to Jonathan Mouette: Will Hoskins is recovering from a niggle (soreness I believe), something that stopped him playing in the recent dev squad match. (This was reported in the Argus I believe, or maybe Naylor's Twitter feed.)
Well said Arnie.

The simplistic thinking of some on here is remarkable

They think NJ makes the decisions because they do not hear from OG
They think Barber makes all the decisions because they do not hear from TB.
They think the club does not look for players because they keep quiet about their dealings.
Last year they complained that Gus had too much to say, and now OG does not say enough.
Apparently we are rubbish despite being in the 10th highest position in our history
For just once in their life I wish they would half fill the glass.
UTA
I would not set out to offend you lads ,but this is a forum for discussion and debate ,so if either of you can categorically assure us that NJs influence isn`t involved in team selection or choice ie: (one MF over another) then fine ,but equally if he isn`t advising Oscar ,then he is not doing his job . I know ,the guy cant win ,but more importantly ,with recent team selections ,nor can we ,who do you choose ?. Surely you can see why the speculation .
Personally i would be chuffed to hear Oscar`s broken English , even if NJ had to assist with pre/post commentaries ,OMHO. UTA
But that's exactly the point I was trying to make. We do not KNOW what NJ's influence is over team matters, so why do so many claim it is greater than it should be? Because he does the interviews? We need more evidence than that! :-)
[quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OldGull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jonathan Mouette[/bold] wrote: Jones this, Jones that, do I ever get fed up with hearing what Jones has to say...? Well apart from the fact that his latest utterings are blindingly obvious yes I do get ever so slightly fed up... and please don't reply with comments such as "read something else" because he gets everywhere - and our OG is nowhere to be seen. (Doubters can look at http://www.newsnow.c o.uk/h/Sport/Footbal l/Championship/Brigh ton in order to verify.) Hopefully he is busy checking on the fitness of WH and CMS. Now if anyone can tell me why WH was not in the squad last night I'll be very pleased. Roll on Saturday and this time 3points please.[/p][/quote]Hi JM ,i doubt very much if anyone disagrees with your comments ,on the contrary ,i know i`m fed up with the thought that this nobody has such a big say in our team ,while Oscar keeps quiet ,i don`t want to be anti NJ ,but IF he is pulling most of the strings ,why do we have Oscar ?. It might help if,NJ stated that Oscar said........,but it doesn`t come across that way to me .[/p][/quote]Why do people think that just because NJ does the interviews (almost certainly because OG doesn't like doing them) that he has a commensurate amount of say in the final lineup? He talks, that's what he does. He's happy doing that. I just don't see the leap of logic that makes anyone think that means he has too much influence in the make-up of the team-sheet. In fact I wouldn't be surprised to learn he has almost no say in the match lineup, and that he is responsible for nothing more than training and interviews. And to Jonathan Mouette: Will Hoskins is recovering from a niggle (soreness I believe), something that stopped him playing in the recent dev squad match. (This was reported in the Argus I believe, or maybe Naylor's Twitter feed.)[/p][/quote]Well said Arnie. The simplistic thinking of some on here is remarkable They think NJ makes the decisions because they do not hear from OG They think Barber makes all the decisions because they do not hear from TB. They think the club does not look for players because they keep quiet about their dealings. Last year they complained that Gus had too much to say, and now OG does not say enough. Apparently we are rubbish despite being in the 10th highest position in our history For just once in their life I wish they would half fill the glass. UTA[/p][/quote]I would not set out to offend you lads ,but this is a forum for discussion and debate ,so if either of you can categorically assure us that NJs influence isn`t involved in team selection or choice ie: (one MF over another) then fine ,but equally if he isn`t advising Oscar ,then he is not doing his job . I know ,the guy cant win ,but more importantly ,with recent team selections ,nor can we ,who do you choose ?. Surely you can see why the speculation . Personally i would be chuffed to hear Oscar`s broken English , even if NJ had to assist with pre/post commentaries ,OMHO. UTA[/p][/quote]But that's exactly the point I was trying to make. We do not KNOW what NJ's influence is over team matters, so why do so many claim it is greater than it should be? Because he does the interviews? We need more evidence than that! :-) Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 2

8:40pm Wed 2 Apr 14

tug509 says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
tug509 wrote:
OldGull wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
tug509 wrote:
Jonathan Mouette wrote:
Jones this, Jones that, do I ever get fed up with hearing what Jones has to say...? Well apart from the fact that his latest utterings are blindingly obvious yes I do get ever so slightly fed up... and please don't reply with comments such as "read something else" because he gets everywhere - and our OG is nowhere to be seen. (Doubters can look at http://www.newsnow.c






o.uk/h/Sport/Footbal






l/Championship/Brigh






ton in order to verify.) Hopefully he is busy checking on the fitness of WH and CMS. Now if anyone can tell me why WH was not in the squad last night I'll be very pleased. Roll on Saturday and this time 3points please.
Hi JM ,i doubt very much if anyone disagrees with your comments ,on the contrary ,i know i`m fed up with the thought that this nobody has such a big say in our team ,while Oscar keeps quiet ,i don`t want to be anti NJ ,but IF he is pulling most of the strings ,why do we have Oscar ?. It might help if,NJ stated that Oscar said........,but it doesn`t come across that way to me .
Why do people think that just because NJ does the interviews (almost certainly because OG doesn't like doing them) that he has a commensurate amount of say in the final lineup? He talks, that's what he does. He's happy doing that. I just don't see the leap of logic that makes anyone think that means he has too much influence in the make-up of the team-sheet. In fact I wouldn't be surprised to learn he has almost no say in the match lineup, and that he is responsible for nothing more than training and interviews.

And to Jonathan Mouette: Will Hoskins is recovering from a niggle (soreness I believe), something that stopped him playing in the recent dev squad match. (This was reported in the Argus I believe, or maybe Naylor's Twitter feed.)
Well said Arnie.

The simplistic thinking of some on here is remarkable

They think NJ makes the decisions because they do not hear from OG
They think Barber makes all the decisions because they do not hear from TB.
They think the club does not look for players because they keep quiet about their dealings.
Last year they complained that Gus had too much to say, and now OG does not say enough.
Apparently we are rubbish despite being in the 10th highest position in our history
For just once in their life I wish they would half fill the glass.
UTA
I would not set out to offend you lads ,but this is a forum for discussion and debate ,so if either of you can categorically assure us that NJs influence isn`t involved in team selection or choice ie: (one MF over another) then fine ,but equally if he isn`t advising Oscar ,then he is not doing his job . I know ,the guy cant win ,but more importantly ,with recent team selections ,nor can we ,who do you choose ?. Surely you can see why the speculation .
Personally i would be chuffed to hear Oscar`s broken English , even if NJ had to assist with pre/post commentaries ,OMHO. UTA
But that's exactly the point I was trying to make. We do not KNOW what NJ's influence is over team matters, so why do so many claim it is greater than it should be? Because he does the interviews? We need more evidence than that! :-)
Arnie mate ,read my last line .
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OldGull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jonathan Mouette[/bold] wrote: Jones this, Jones that, do I ever get fed up with hearing what Jones has to say...? Well apart from the fact that his latest utterings are blindingly obvious yes I do get ever so slightly fed up... and please don't reply with comments such as "read something else" because he gets everywhere - and our OG is nowhere to be seen. (Doubters can look at http://www.newsnow.c o.uk/h/Sport/Footbal l/Championship/Brigh ton in order to verify.) Hopefully he is busy checking on the fitness of WH and CMS. Now if anyone can tell me why WH was not in the squad last night I'll be very pleased. Roll on Saturday and this time 3points please.[/p][/quote]Hi JM ,i doubt very much if anyone disagrees with your comments ,on the contrary ,i know i`m fed up with the thought that this nobody has such a big say in our team ,while Oscar keeps quiet ,i don`t want to be anti NJ ,but IF he is pulling most of the strings ,why do we have Oscar ?. It might help if,NJ stated that Oscar said........,but it doesn`t come across that way to me .[/p][/quote]Why do people think that just because NJ does the interviews (almost certainly because OG doesn't like doing them) that he has a commensurate amount of say in the final lineup? He talks, that's what he does. He's happy doing that. I just don't see the leap of logic that makes anyone think that means he has too much influence in the make-up of the team-sheet. In fact I wouldn't be surprised to learn he has almost no say in the match lineup, and that he is responsible for nothing more than training and interviews. And to Jonathan Mouette: Will Hoskins is recovering from a niggle (soreness I believe), something that stopped him playing in the recent dev squad match. (This was reported in the Argus I believe, or maybe Naylor's Twitter feed.)[/p][/quote]Well said Arnie. The simplistic thinking of some on here is remarkable They think NJ makes the decisions because they do not hear from OG They think Barber makes all the decisions because they do not hear from TB. They think the club does not look for players because they keep quiet about their dealings. Last year they complained that Gus had too much to say, and now OG does not say enough. Apparently we are rubbish despite being in the 10th highest position in our history For just once in their life I wish they would half fill the glass. UTA[/p][/quote]I would not set out to offend you lads ,but this is a forum for discussion and debate ,so if either of you can categorically assure us that NJs influence isn`t involved in team selection or choice ie: (one MF over another) then fine ,but equally if he isn`t advising Oscar ,then he is not doing his job . I know ,the guy cant win ,but more importantly ,with recent team selections ,nor can we ,who do you choose ?. Surely you can see why the speculation . Personally i would be chuffed to hear Oscar`s broken English , even if NJ had to assist with pre/post commentaries ,OMHO. UTA[/p][/quote]But that's exactly the point I was trying to make. We do not KNOW what NJ's influence is over team matters, so why do so many claim it is greater than it should be? Because he does the interviews? We need more evidence than that! :-)[/p][/quote]Arnie mate ,read my last line . tug509
  • Score: -1

8:42pm Wed 2 Apr 14

Mystertoo says...

Just a suggestion to NJ if his work is mainly on the training ground, work on the free kicks, some of the recent ones involving JFC have been an embarrassment. sometimes you just need to shoot, not the overworked tipy tappy attempts that turn over possession to the opposition and with the CB's in the opposition box, leaves us wide open to a quick counter attack.
Just a suggestion to NJ if his work is mainly on the training ground, work on the free kicks, some of the recent ones involving JFC have been an embarrassment. sometimes you just need to shoot, not the overworked tipy tappy attempts that turn over possession to the opposition and with the CB's in the opposition box, leaves us wide open to a quick counter attack. Mystertoo
  • Score: 2

8:47pm Wed 2 Apr 14

hannover seagull says...

ringtone wrote:
Greers fluke goal last night made me think that It would help if our centre backs chipped in with 20 goals between them in a season, look at martyn skertel at liverpool for an example of a player earning his wages. UTA
Footballers earning their wages? thats a bit strong

Get your point though
UTA........
[quote][p][bold]ringtone[/bold] wrote: Greers fluke goal last night made me think that It would help if our centre backs chipped in with 20 goals between them in a season, look at martyn skertel at liverpool for an example of a player earning his wages. UTA[/p][/quote]Footballers earning their wages? thats a bit strong Get your point though UTA........ hannover seagull
  • Score: -1

9:04pm Wed 2 Apr 14

OldGull says...

tug509 wrote:
OldGull wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
tug509 wrote:
Jonathan Mouette wrote:
Jones this, Jones that, do I ever get fed up with hearing what Jones has to say...? Well apart from the fact that his latest utterings are blindingly obvious yes I do get ever so slightly fed up... and please don't reply with comments such as "read something else" because he gets everywhere - and our OG is nowhere to be seen. (Doubters can look at http://www.newsnow.c





o.uk/h/Sport/Footbal





l/Championship/Brigh





ton in order to verify.) Hopefully he is busy checking on the fitness of WH and CMS. Now if anyone can tell me why WH was not in the squad last night I'll be very pleased. Roll on Saturday and this time 3points please.
Hi JM ,i doubt very much if anyone disagrees with your comments ,on the contrary ,i know i`m fed up with the thought that this nobody has such a big say in our team ,while Oscar keeps quiet ,i don`t want to be anti NJ ,but IF he is pulling most of the strings ,why do we have Oscar ?. It might help if,NJ stated that Oscar said........,but it doesn`t come across that way to me .
Why do people think that just because NJ does the interviews (almost certainly because OG doesn't like doing them) that he has a commensurate amount of say in the final lineup? He talks, that's what he does. He's happy doing that. I just don't see the leap of logic that makes anyone think that means he has too much influence in the make-up of the team-sheet. In fact I wouldn't be surprised to learn he has almost no say in the match lineup, and that he is responsible for nothing more than training and interviews.

And to Jonathan Mouette: Will Hoskins is recovering from a niggle (soreness I believe), something that stopped him playing in the recent dev squad match. (This was reported in the Argus I believe, or maybe Naylor's Twitter feed.)
Well said Arnie.

The simplistic thinking of some on here is remarkable

They think NJ makes the decisions because they do not hear from OG
They think Barber makes all the decisions because they do not hear from TB.
They think the club does not look for players because they keep quiet about their dealings.
Last year they complained that Gus had too much to say, and now OG does not say enough.
Apparently we are rubbish despite being in the 10th highest position in our history
For just once in their life I wish they would half fill the glass.
UTA
I would not set out to offend you lads ,but this is a forum for discussion and debate ,so if either of you can categorically assure us that NJs influence isn`t involved in team selection or choice ie: (one MF over another) then fine ,but equally if he isn`t advising Oscar ,then he is not doing his job . I know ,the guy cant win ,but more importantly ,with recent team selections ,nor can we ,who do you choose ?. Surely you can see why the speculation .
Personally i would be chuffed to hear Oscar`s broken English , even if NJ had to assist with pre/post commentaries ,OMHO. UTA
I have no reason to assume that NJ has more power or influence than he should
Surely the whole coaching staff are a team.
I would be surprised if OG didn't consult NJ
equally I would expect NJ to offer up his views on tactics & selection.

Oscar does do interviews on seagulls player, so he isn't totally silent.
Anyway, 3 points saturday and the world will seem a better place
UTA
[quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OldGull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jonathan Mouette[/bold] wrote: Jones this, Jones that, do I ever get fed up with hearing what Jones has to say...? Well apart from the fact that his latest utterings are blindingly obvious yes I do get ever so slightly fed up... and please don't reply with comments such as "read something else" because he gets everywhere - and our OG is nowhere to be seen. (Doubters can look at http://www.newsnow.c o.uk/h/Sport/Footbal l/Championship/Brigh ton in order to verify.) Hopefully he is busy checking on the fitness of WH and CMS. Now if anyone can tell me why WH was not in the squad last night I'll be very pleased. Roll on Saturday and this time 3points please.[/p][/quote]Hi JM ,i doubt very much if anyone disagrees with your comments ,on the contrary ,i know i`m fed up with the thought that this nobody has such a big say in our team ,while Oscar keeps quiet ,i don`t want to be anti NJ ,but IF he is pulling most of the strings ,why do we have Oscar ?. It might help if,NJ stated that Oscar said........,but it doesn`t come across that way to me .[/p][/quote]Why do people think that just because NJ does the interviews (almost certainly because OG doesn't like doing them) that he has a commensurate amount of say in the final lineup? He talks, that's what he does. He's happy doing that. I just don't see the leap of logic that makes anyone think that means he has too much influence in the make-up of the team-sheet. In fact I wouldn't be surprised to learn he has almost no say in the match lineup, and that he is responsible for nothing more than training and interviews. And to Jonathan Mouette: Will Hoskins is recovering from a niggle (soreness I believe), something that stopped him playing in the recent dev squad match. (This was reported in the Argus I believe, or maybe Naylor's Twitter feed.)[/p][/quote]Well said Arnie. The simplistic thinking of some on here is remarkable They think NJ makes the decisions because they do not hear from OG They think Barber makes all the decisions because they do not hear from TB. They think the club does not look for players because they keep quiet about their dealings. Last year they complained that Gus had too much to say, and now OG does not say enough. Apparently we are rubbish despite being in the 10th highest position in our history For just once in their life I wish they would half fill the glass. UTA[/p][/quote]I would not set out to offend you lads ,but this is a forum for discussion and debate ,so if either of you can categorically assure us that NJs influence isn`t involved in team selection or choice ie: (one MF over another) then fine ,but equally if he isn`t advising Oscar ,then he is not doing his job . I know ,the guy cant win ,but more importantly ,with recent team selections ,nor can we ,who do you choose ?. Surely you can see why the speculation . Personally i would be chuffed to hear Oscar`s broken English , even if NJ had to assist with pre/post commentaries ,OMHO. UTA[/p][/quote]I have no reason to assume that NJ has more power or influence than he should Surely the whole coaching staff are a team. I would be surprised if OG didn't consult NJ equally I would expect NJ to offer up his views on tactics & selection. Oscar does do interviews on seagulls player, so he isn't totally silent. Anyway, 3 points saturday and the world will seem a better place UTA OldGull
  • Score: 3

10:53pm Wed 2 Apr 14

gordongull says...

I believe that Oscar is subject to far too much input and influence from individuals who lack the necessary experience.
Oscar has won a national championship, but at B&HA, he has had coaching and scouting staff imposed on him, and it would appear that he has no control over the acquisition of players. Those at club management level have misguidedly taken on this role with lamentable ineptitude.
Oscar needs to give his employers an ultimatum. Here is a list of demands he should produce for their consideration:
1 The title of Manager.
2 A clear-out of coaching and scouting staff so he can bring in his own people.
3 Full control over transfer policy.
Oscar is a professional surrounded by amateurs, and he will not realize his full potential until their influence and interference is discontinued.
I believe that Oscar is subject to far too much input and influence from individuals who lack the necessary experience. Oscar has won a national championship, but at B&HA, he has had coaching and scouting staff imposed on him, and it would appear that he has no control over the acquisition of players. Those at club management level have misguidedly taken on this role with lamentable ineptitude. Oscar needs to give his employers an ultimatum. Here is a list of demands he should produce for their consideration: 1 The title of Manager. 2 A clear-out of coaching and scouting staff so he can bring in his own people. 3 Full control over transfer policy. Oscar is a professional surrounded by amateurs, and he will not realize his full potential until their influence and interference is discontinued. gordongull
  • Score: 0

11:12pm Wed 2 Apr 14

tug509 says...

OldGull wrote:
tug509 wrote:
OldGull wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
tug509 wrote:
Jonathan Mouette wrote:
Jones this, Jones that, do I ever get fed up with hearing what Jones has to say...? Well apart from the fact that his latest utterings are blindingly obvious yes I do get ever so slightly fed up... and please don't reply with comments such as "read something else" because he gets everywhere - and our OG is nowhere to be seen. (Doubters can look at http://www.newsnow.c






o.uk/h/Sport/Footbal






l/Championship/Brigh






ton in order to verify.) Hopefully he is busy checking on the fitness of WH and CMS. Now if anyone can tell me why WH was not in the squad last night I'll be very pleased. Roll on Saturday and this time 3points please.
Hi JM ,i doubt very much if anyone disagrees with your comments ,on the contrary ,i know i`m fed up with the thought that this nobody has such a big say in our team ,while Oscar keeps quiet ,i don`t want to be anti NJ ,but IF he is pulling most of the strings ,why do we have Oscar ?. It might help if,NJ stated that Oscar said........,but it doesn`t come across that way to me .
Why do people think that just because NJ does the interviews (almost certainly because OG doesn't like doing them) that he has a commensurate amount of say in the final lineup? He talks, that's what he does. He's happy doing that. I just don't see the leap of logic that makes anyone think that means he has too much influence in the make-up of the team-sheet. In fact I wouldn't be surprised to learn he has almost no say in the match lineup, and that he is responsible for nothing more than training and interviews.

And to Jonathan Mouette: Will Hoskins is recovering from a niggle (soreness I believe), something that stopped him playing in the recent dev squad match. (This was reported in the Argus I believe, or maybe Naylor's Twitter feed.)
Well said Arnie.

The simplistic thinking of some on here is remarkable

They think NJ makes the decisions because they do not hear from OG
They think Barber makes all the decisions because they do not hear from TB.
They think the club does not look for players because they keep quiet about their dealings.
Last year they complained that Gus had too much to say, and now OG does not say enough.
Apparently we are rubbish despite being in the 10th highest position in our history
For just once in their life I wish they would half fill the glass.
UTA
I would not set out to offend you lads ,but this is a forum for discussion and debate ,so if either of you can categorically assure us that NJs influence isn`t involved in team selection or choice ie: (one MF over another) then fine ,but equally if he isn`t advising Oscar ,then he is not doing his job . I know ,the guy cant win ,but more importantly ,with recent team selections ,nor can we ,who do you choose ?. Surely you can see why the speculation .
Personally i would be chuffed to hear Oscar`s broken English , even if NJ had to assist with pre/post commentaries ,OMHO. UTA
I have no reason to assume that NJ has more power or influence than he should
Surely the whole coaching staff are a team.
I would be surprised if OG didn't consult NJ
equally I would expect NJ to offer up his views on tactics & selection.

Oscar does do interviews on seagulls player, so he isn't totally silent.
Anyway, 3 points saturday and the world will seem a better place
UTA
With respect ,answer me one thing ,apart from NJ`s fluent Spanish ,what does he bring to the table ?????.
[quote][p][bold]OldGull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OldGull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jonathan Mouette[/bold] wrote: Jones this, Jones that, do I ever get fed up with hearing what Jones has to say...? Well apart from the fact that his latest utterings are blindingly obvious yes I do get ever so slightly fed up... and please don't reply with comments such as "read something else" because he gets everywhere - and our OG is nowhere to be seen. (Doubters can look at http://www.newsnow.c o.uk/h/Sport/Footbal l/Championship/Brigh ton in order to verify.) Hopefully he is busy checking on the fitness of WH and CMS. Now if anyone can tell me why WH was not in the squad last night I'll be very pleased. Roll on Saturday and this time 3points please.[/p][/quote]Hi JM ,i doubt very much if anyone disagrees with your comments ,on the contrary ,i know i`m fed up with the thought that this nobody has such a big say in our team ,while Oscar keeps quiet ,i don`t want to be anti NJ ,but IF he is pulling most of the strings ,why do we have Oscar ?. It might help if,NJ stated that Oscar said........,but it doesn`t come across that way to me .[/p][/quote]Why do people think that just because NJ does the interviews (almost certainly because OG doesn't like doing them) that he has a commensurate amount of say in the final lineup? He talks, that's what he does. He's happy doing that. I just don't see the leap of logic that makes anyone think that means he has too much influence in the make-up of the team-sheet. In fact I wouldn't be surprised to learn he has almost no say in the match lineup, and that he is responsible for nothing more than training and interviews. And to Jonathan Mouette: Will Hoskins is recovering from a niggle (soreness I believe), something that stopped him playing in the recent dev squad match. (This was reported in the Argus I believe, or maybe Naylor's Twitter feed.)[/p][/quote]Well said Arnie. The simplistic thinking of some on here is remarkable They think NJ makes the decisions because they do not hear from OG They think Barber makes all the decisions because they do not hear from TB. They think the club does not look for players because they keep quiet about their dealings. Last year they complained that Gus had too much to say, and now OG does not say enough. Apparently we are rubbish despite being in the 10th highest position in our history For just once in their life I wish they would half fill the glass. UTA[/p][/quote]I would not set out to offend you lads ,but this is a forum for discussion and debate ,so if either of you can categorically assure us that NJs influence isn`t involved in team selection or choice ie: (one MF over another) then fine ,but equally if he isn`t advising Oscar ,then he is not doing his job . I know ,the guy cant win ,but more importantly ,with recent team selections ,nor can we ,who do you choose ?. Surely you can see why the speculation . Personally i would be chuffed to hear Oscar`s broken English , even if NJ had to assist with pre/post commentaries ,OMHO. UTA[/p][/quote]I have no reason to assume that NJ has more power or influence than he should Surely the whole coaching staff are a team. I would be surprised if OG didn't consult NJ equally I would expect NJ to offer up his views on tactics & selection. Oscar does do interviews on seagulls player, so he isn't totally silent. Anyway, 3 points saturday and the world will seem a better place UTA[/p][/quote]With respect ,answer me one thing ,apart from NJ`s fluent Spanish ,what does he bring to the table ?????. tug509
  • Score: -4

11:13pm Wed 2 Apr 14

OldGull says...

gordongull wrote:
I believe that Oscar is subject to far too much input and influence from individuals who lack the necessary experience.
Oscar has won a national championship, but at B&HA, he has had coaching and scouting staff imposed on him, and it would appear that he has no control over the acquisition of players. Those at club management level have misguidedly taken on this role with lamentable ineptitude.
Oscar needs to give his employers an ultimatum. Here is a list of demands he should produce for their consideration:
1 The title of Manager.
2 A clear-out of coaching and scouting staff so he can bring in his own people.
3 Full control over transfer policy.
Oscar is a professional surrounded by amateurs, and he will not realize his full potential until their influence and interference is discontinued.
1 He comes from a background of 1st team coaches, how do you know he wants the title manager.
2 He brought over his own backroom staff, again you are assuming he does not want NJ
3 Does any manager have full control of transfer policy?
Maybe Fergie, Mourinho & Arsene did/do

The last 2 were not top class footballers either.

Who are the amateurs you refer to?
TB owns the club
B&B have both worked in premier league
[quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: I believe that Oscar is subject to far too much input and influence from individuals who lack the necessary experience. Oscar has won a national championship, but at B&HA, he has had coaching and scouting staff imposed on him, and it would appear that he has no control over the acquisition of players. Those at club management level have misguidedly taken on this role with lamentable ineptitude. Oscar needs to give his employers an ultimatum. Here is a list of demands he should produce for their consideration: 1 The title of Manager. 2 A clear-out of coaching and scouting staff so he can bring in his own people. 3 Full control over transfer policy. Oscar is a professional surrounded by amateurs, and he will not realize his full potential until their influence and interference is discontinued.[/p][/quote]1 He comes from a background of 1st team coaches, how do you know he wants the title manager. 2 He brought over his own backroom staff, again you are assuming he does not want NJ 3 Does any manager have full control of transfer policy? Maybe Fergie, Mourinho & Arsene did/do The last 2 were not top class footballers either. Who are the amateurs you refer to? TB owns the club B&B have both worked in premier league OldGull
  • Score: 3

11:20pm Wed 2 Apr 14

OldGull says...

tug509 wrote:
OldGull wrote:
tug509 wrote:
OldGull wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
tug509 wrote:
Jonathan Mouette wrote:
Jones this, Jones that, do I ever get fed up with hearing what Jones has to say...? Well apart from the fact that his latest utterings are blindingly obvious yes I do get ever so slightly fed up... and please don't reply with comments such as "read something else" because he gets everywhere - and our OG is nowhere to be seen. (Doubters can look at http://www.newsnow.c







o.uk/h/Sport/Footbal







l/Championship/Brigh







ton in order to verify.) Hopefully he is busy checking on the fitness of WH and CMS. Now if anyone can tell me why WH was not in the squad last night I'll be very pleased. Roll on Saturday and this time 3points please.
Hi JM ,i doubt very much if anyone disagrees with your comments ,on the contrary ,i know i`m fed up with the thought that this nobody has such a big say in our team ,while Oscar keeps quiet ,i don`t want to be anti NJ ,but IF he is pulling most of the strings ,why do we have Oscar ?. It might help if,NJ stated that Oscar said........,but it doesn`t come across that way to me .
Why do people think that just because NJ does the interviews (almost certainly because OG doesn't like doing them) that he has a commensurate amount of say in the final lineup? He talks, that's what he does. He's happy doing that. I just don't see the leap of logic that makes anyone think that means he has too much influence in the make-up of the team-sheet. In fact I wouldn't be surprised to learn he has almost no say in the match lineup, and that he is responsible for nothing more than training and interviews.

And to Jonathan Mouette: Will Hoskins is recovering from a niggle (soreness I believe), something that stopped him playing in the recent dev squad match. (This was reported in the Argus I believe, or maybe Naylor's Twitter feed.)
Well said Arnie.

The simplistic thinking of some on here is remarkable

They think NJ makes the decisions because they do not hear from OG
They think Barber makes all the decisions because they do not hear from TB.
They think the club does not look for players because they keep quiet about their dealings.
Last year they complained that Gus had too much to say, and now OG does not say enough.
Apparently we are rubbish despite being in the 10th highest position in our history
For just once in their life I wish they would half fill the glass.
UTA
I would not set out to offend you lads ,but this is a forum for discussion and debate ,so if either of you can categorically assure us that NJs influence isn`t involved in team selection or choice ie: (one MF over another) then fine ,but equally if he isn`t advising Oscar ,then he is not doing his job . I know ,the guy cant win ,but more importantly ,with recent team selections ,nor can we ,who do you choose ?. Surely you can see why the speculation .
Personally i would be chuffed to hear Oscar`s broken English , even if NJ had to assist with pre/post commentaries ,OMHO. UTA
I have no reason to assume that NJ has more power or influence than he should
Surely the whole coaching staff are a team.
I would be surprised if OG didn't consult NJ
equally I would expect NJ to offer up his views on tactics & selection.

Oscar does do interviews on seagulls player, so he isn't totally silent.
Anyway, 3 points saturday and the world will seem a better place
UTA
With respect ,answer me one thing ,apart from NJ`s fluent Spanish ,what does he bring to the table ?????.
Neither of us know

You can't just assume he is rubbish because he was a league 1 player
There are plenty examples of top managers and coaches who did not play at the top level.
Equally there are plenty of top footballers who were crap managers.

You may not be satisfied with recent performances but one thing the coaching team is doing is bringing through the DS players, So they are doing something right.
If OG is not satisfied with NJ we will see a change in the summer .
UTA
[quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OldGull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OldGull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jonathan Mouette[/bold] wrote: Jones this, Jones that, do I ever get fed up with hearing what Jones has to say...? Well apart from the fact that his latest utterings are blindingly obvious yes I do get ever so slightly fed up... and please don't reply with comments such as "read something else" because he gets everywhere - and our OG is nowhere to be seen. (Doubters can look at http://www.newsnow.c o.uk/h/Sport/Footbal l/Championship/Brigh ton in order to verify.) Hopefully he is busy checking on the fitness of WH and CMS. Now if anyone can tell me why WH was not in the squad last night I'll be very pleased. Roll on Saturday and this time 3points please.[/p][/quote]Hi JM ,i doubt very much if anyone disagrees with your comments ,on the contrary ,i know i`m fed up with the thought that this nobody has such a big say in our team ,while Oscar keeps quiet ,i don`t want to be anti NJ ,but IF he is pulling most of the strings ,why do we have Oscar ?. It might help if,NJ stated that Oscar said........,but it doesn`t come across that way to me .[/p][/quote]Why do people think that just because NJ does the interviews (almost certainly because OG doesn't like doing them) that he has a commensurate amount of say in the final lineup? He talks, that's what he does. He's happy doing that. I just don't see the leap of logic that makes anyone think that means he has too much influence in the make-up of the team-sheet. In fact I wouldn't be surprised to learn he has almost no say in the match lineup, and that he is responsible for nothing more than training and interviews. And to Jonathan Mouette: Will Hoskins is recovering from a niggle (soreness I believe), something that stopped him playing in the recent dev squad match. (This was reported in the Argus I believe, or maybe Naylor's Twitter feed.)[/p][/quote]Well said Arnie. The simplistic thinking of some on here is remarkable They think NJ makes the decisions because they do not hear from OG They think Barber makes all the decisions because they do not hear from TB. They think the club does not look for players because they keep quiet about their dealings. Last year they complained that Gus had too much to say, and now OG does not say enough. Apparently we are rubbish despite being in the 10th highest position in our history For just once in their life I wish they would half fill the glass. UTA[/p][/quote]I would not set out to offend you lads ,but this is a forum for discussion and debate ,so if either of you can categorically assure us that NJs influence isn`t involved in team selection or choice ie: (one MF over another) then fine ,but equally if he isn`t advising Oscar ,then he is not doing his job . I know ,the guy cant win ,but more importantly ,with recent team selections ,nor can we ,who do you choose ?. Surely you can see why the speculation . Personally i would be chuffed to hear Oscar`s broken English , even if NJ had to assist with pre/post commentaries ,OMHO. UTA[/p][/quote]I have no reason to assume that NJ has more power or influence than he should Surely the whole coaching staff are a team. I would be surprised if OG didn't consult NJ equally I would expect NJ to offer up his views on tactics & selection. Oscar does do interviews on seagulls player, so he isn't totally silent. Anyway, 3 points saturday and the world will seem a better place UTA[/p][/quote]With respect ,answer me one thing ,apart from NJ`s fluent Spanish ,what does he bring to the table ?????.[/p][/quote]Neither of us know You can't just assume he is rubbish because he was a league 1 player There are plenty examples of top managers and coaches who did not play at the top level. Equally there are plenty of top footballers who were crap managers. You may not be satisfied with recent performances but one thing the coaching team is doing is bringing through the DS players, So they are doing something right. If OG is not satisfied with NJ we will see a change in the summer . UTA OldGull
  • Score: 2

11:26pm Wed 2 Apr 14

tug509 says...

OldGull wrote:
tug509 wrote:
OldGull wrote:
tug509 wrote:
OldGull wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
tug509 wrote:
Jonathan Mouette wrote:
Jones this, Jones that, do I ever get fed up with hearing what Jones has to say...? Well apart from the fact that his latest utterings are blindingly obvious yes I do get ever so slightly fed up... and please don't reply with comments such as "read something else" because he gets everywhere - and our OG is nowhere to be seen. (Doubters can look at http://www.newsnow.c








o.uk/h/Sport/Footbal








l/Championship/Brigh








ton in order to verify.) Hopefully he is busy checking on the fitness of WH and CMS. Now if anyone can tell me why WH was not in the squad last night I'll be very pleased. Roll on Saturday and this time 3points please.
Hi JM ,i doubt very much if anyone disagrees with your comments ,on the contrary ,i know i`m fed up with the thought that this nobody has such a big say in our team ,while Oscar keeps quiet ,i don`t want to be anti NJ ,but IF he is pulling most of the strings ,why do we have Oscar ?. It might help if,NJ stated that Oscar said........,but it doesn`t come across that way to me .
Why do people think that just because NJ does the interviews (almost certainly because OG doesn't like doing them) that he has a commensurate amount of say in the final lineup? He talks, that's what he does. He's happy doing that. I just don't see the leap of logic that makes anyone think that means he has too much influence in the make-up of the team-sheet. In fact I wouldn't be surprised to learn he has almost no say in the match lineup, and that he is responsible for nothing more than training and interviews.

And to Jonathan Mouette: Will Hoskins is recovering from a niggle (soreness I believe), something that stopped him playing in the recent dev squad match. (This was reported in the Argus I believe, or maybe Naylor's Twitter feed.)
Well said Arnie.

The simplistic thinking of some on here is remarkable

They think NJ makes the decisions because they do not hear from OG
They think Barber makes all the decisions because they do not hear from TB.
They think the club does not look for players because they keep quiet about their dealings.
Last year they complained that Gus had too much to say, and now OG does not say enough.
Apparently we are rubbish despite being in the 10th highest position in our history
For just once in their life I wish they would half fill the glass.
UTA
I would not set out to offend you lads ,but this is a forum for discussion and debate ,so if either of you can categorically assure us that NJs influence isn`t involved in team selection or choice ie: (one MF over another) then fine ,but equally if he isn`t advising Oscar ,then he is not doing his job . I know ,the guy cant win ,but more importantly ,with recent team selections ,nor can we ,who do you choose ?. Surely you can see why the speculation .
Personally i would be chuffed to hear Oscar`s broken English , even if NJ had to assist with pre/post commentaries ,OMHO. UTA
I have no reason to assume that NJ has more power or influence than he should
Surely the whole coaching staff are a team.
I would be surprised if OG didn't consult NJ
equally I would expect NJ to offer up his views on tactics & selection.

Oscar does do interviews on seagulls player, so he isn't totally silent.
Anyway, 3 points saturday and the world will seem a better place
UTA
With respect ,answer me one thing ,apart from NJ`s fluent Spanish ,what does he bring to the table ?????.
Neither of us know

You can't just assume he is rubbish because he was a league 1 player
There are plenty examples of top managers and coaches who did not play at the top level.
Equally there are plenty of top footballers who were crap managers.

You may not be satisfied with recent performances but one thing the coaching team is doing is bringing through the DS players, So they are doing something right.
If OG is not satisfied with NJ we will see a change in the summer .
UTA
Where did i say one word of ANY of that !.
[quote][p][bold]OldGull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OldGull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OldGull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jonathan Mouette[/bold] wrote: Jones this, Jones that, do I ever get fed up with hearing what Jones has to say...? Well apart from the fact that his latest utterings are blindingly obvious yes I do get ever so slightly fed up... and please don't reply with comments such as "read something else" because he gets everywhere - and our OG is nowhere to be seen. (Doubters can look at http://www.newsnow.c o.uk/h/Sport/Footbal l/Championship/Brigh ton in order to verify.) Hopefully he is busy checking on the fitness of WH and CMS. Now if anyone can tell me why WH was not in the squad last night I'll be very pleased. Roll on Saturday and this time 3points please.[/p][/quote]Hi JM ,i doubt very much if anyone disagrees with your comments ,on the contrary ,i know i`m fed up with the thought that this nobody has such a big say in our team ,while Oscar keeps quiet ,i don`t want to be anti NJ ,but IF he is pulling most of the strings ,why do we have Oscar ?. It might help if,NJ stated that Oscar said........,but it doesn`t come across that way to me .[/p][/quote]Why do people think that just because NJ does the interviews (almost certainly because OG doesn't like doing them) that he has a commensurate amount of say in the final lineup? He talks, that's what he does. He's happy doing that. I just don't see the leap of logic that makes anyone think that means he has too much influence in the make-up of the team-sheet. In fact I wouldn't be surprised to learn he has almost no say in the match lineup, and that he is responsible for nothing more than training and interviews. And to Jonathan Mouette: Will Hoskins is recovering from a niggle (soreness I believe), something that stopped him playing in the recent dev squad match. (This was reported in the Argus I believe, or maybe Naylor's Twitter feed.)[/p][/quote]Well said Arnie. The simplistic thinking of some on here is remarkable They think NJ makes the decisions because they do not hear from OG They think Barber makes all the decisions because they do not hear from TB. They think the club does not look for players because they keep quiet about their dealings. Last year they complained that Gus had too much to say, and now OG does not say enough. Apparently we are rubbish despite being in the 10th highest position in our history For just once in their life I wish they would half fill the glass. UTA[/p][/quote]I would not set out to offend you lads ,but this is a forum for discussion and debate ,so if either of you can categorically assure us that NJs influence isn`t involved in team selection or choice ie: (one MF over another) then fine ,but equally if he isn`t advising Oscar ,then he is not doing his job . I know ,the guy cant win ,but more importantly ,with recent team selections ,nor can we ,who do you choose ?. Surely you can see why the speculation . Personally i would be chuffed to hear Oscar`s broken English , even if NJ had to assist with pre/post commentaries ,OMHO. UTA[/p][/quote]I have no reason to assume that NJ has more power or influence than he should Surely the whole coaching staff are a team. I would be surprised if OG didn't consult NJ equally I would expect NJ to offer up his views on tactics & selection. Oscar does do interviews on seagulls player, so he isn't totally silent. Anyway, 3 points saturday and the world will seem a better place UTA[/p][/quote]With respect ,answer me one thing ,apart from NJ`s fluent Spanish ,what does he bring to the table ?????.[/p][/quote]Neither of us know You can't just assume he is rubbish because he was a league 1 player There are plenty examples of top managers and coaches who did not play at the top level. Equally there are plenty of top footballers who were crap managers. You may not be satisfied with recent performances but one thing the coaching team is doing is bringing through the DS players, So they are doing something right. If OG is not satisfied with NJ we will see a change in the summer . UTA[/p][/quote]Where did i say one word of ANY of that !. tug509
  • Score: 1

11:35pm Wed 2 Apr 14

OldGull says...

tug509 wrote:
OldGull wrote:
tug509 wrote:
OldGull wrote:
tug509 wrote:
OldGull wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
tug509 wrote:
Jonathan Mouette wrote:
Jones this, Jones that, do I ever get fed up with hearing what Jones has to say...? Well apart from the fact that his latest utterings are blindingly obvious yes I do get ever so slightly fed up... and please don't reply with comments such as "read something else" because he gets everywhere - and our OG is nowhere to be seen. (Doubters can look at http://www.newsnow.c









o.uk/h/Sport/Footbal









l/Championship/Brigh









ton in order to verify.) Hopefully he is busy checking on the fitness of WH and CMS. Now if anyone can tell me why WH was not in the squad last night I'll be very pleased. Roll on Saturday and this time 3points please.
Hi JM ,i doubt very much if anyone disagrees with your comments ,on the contrary ,i know i`m fed up with the thought that this nobody has such a big say in our team ,while Oscar keeps quiet ,i don`t want to be anti NJ ,but IF he is pulling most of the strings ,why do we have Oscar ?. It might help if,NJ stated that Oscar said........,but it doesn`t come across that way to me .
Why do people think that just because NJ does the interviews (almost certainly because OG doesn't like doing them) that he has a commensurate amount of say in the final lineup? He talks, that's what he does. He's happy doing that. I just don't see the leap of logic that makes anyone think that means he has too much influence in the make-up of the team-sheet. In fact I wouldn't be surprised to learn he has almost no say in the match lineup, and that he is responsible for nothing more than training and interviews.

And to Jonathan Mouette: Will Hoskins is recovering from a niggle (soreness I believe), something that stopped him playing in the recent dev squad match. (This was reported in the Argus I believe, or maybe Naylor's Twitter feed.)
Well said Arnie.

The simplistic thinking of some on here is remarkable

They think NJ makes the decisions because they do not hear from OG
They think Barber makes all the decisions because they do not hear from TB.
They think the club does not look for players because they keep quiet about their dealings.
Last year they complained that Gus had too much to say, and now OG does not say enough.
Apparently we are rubbish despite being in the 10th highest position in our history
For just once in their life I wish they would half fill the glass.
UTA
I would not set out to offend you lads ,but this is a forum for discussion and debate ,so if either of you can categorically assure us that NJs influence isn`t involved in team selection or choice ie: (one MF over another) then fine ,but equally if he isn`t advising Oscar ,then he is not doing his job . I know ,the guy cant win ,but more importantly ,with recent team selections ,nor can we ,who do you choose ?. Surely you can see why the speculation .
Personally i would be chuffed to hear Oscar`s broken English , even if NJ had to assist with pre/post commentaries ,OMHO. UTA
I have no reason to assume that NJ has more power or influence than he should
Surely the whole coaching staff are a team.
I would be surprised if OG didn't consult NJ
equally I would expect NJ to offer up his views on tactics & selection.

Oscar does do interviews on seagulls player, so he isn't totally silent.
Anyway, 3 points saturday and the world will seem a better place
UTA
With respect ,answer me one thing ,apart from NJ`s fluent Spanish ,what does he bring to the table ?????.
Neither of us know

You can't just assume he is rubbish because he was a league 1 player
There are plenty examples of top managers and coaches who did not play at the top level.
Equally there are plenty of top footballers who were crap managers.

You may not be satisfied with recent performances but one thing the coaching team is doing is bringing through the DS players, So they are doing something right.
If OG is not satisfied with NJ we will see a change in the summer .
UTA
Where did i say one word of ANY of that !.
Apologies if that isn't your viewpoint,
but it seems to be a consensus among some on here.
We can both agree we don't know NJ contributions either positive or negative.
Just that he talks more than OG
[quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OldGull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OldGull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OldGull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jonathan Mouette[/bold] wrote: Jones this, Jones that, do I ever get fed up with hearing what Jones has to say...? Well apart from the fact that his latest utterings are blindingly obvious yes I do get ever so slightly fed up... and please don't reply with comments such as "read something else" because he gets everywhere - and our OG is nowhere to be seen. (Doubters can look at http://www.newsnow.c o.uk/h/Sport/Footbal l/Championship/Brigh ton in order to verify.) Hopefully he is busy checking on the fitness of WH and CMS. Now if anyone can tell me why WH was not in the squad last night I'll be very pleased. Roll on Saturday and this time 3points please.[/p][/quote]Hi JM ,i doubt very much if anyone disagrees with your comments ,on the contrary ,i know i`m fed up with the thought that this nobody has such a big say in our team ,while Oscar keeps quiet ,i don`t want to be anti NJ ,but IF he is pulling most of the strings ,why do we have Oscar ?. It might help if,NJ stated that Oscar said........,but it doesn`t come across that way to me .[/p][/quote]Why do people think that just because NJ does the interviews (almost certainly because OG doesn't like doing them) that he has a commensurate amount of say in the final lineup? He talks, that's what he does. He's happy doing that. I just don't see the leap of logic that makes anyone think that means he has too much influence in the make-up of the team-sheet. In fact I wouldn't be surprised to learn he has almost no say in the match lineup, and that he is responsible for nothing more than training and interviews. And to Jonathan Mouette: Will Hoskins is recovering from a niggle (soreness I believe), something that stopped him playing in the recent dev squad match. (This was reported in the Argus I believe, or maybe Naylor's Twitter feed.)[/p][/quote]Well said Arnie. The simplistic thinking of some on here is remarkable They think NJ makes the decisions because they do not hear from OG They think Barber makes all the decisions because they do not hear from TB. They think the club does not look for players because they keep quiet about their dealings. Last year they complained that Gus had too much to say, and now OG does not say enough. Apparently we are rubbish despite being in the 10th highest position in our history For just once in their life I wish they would half fill the glass. UTA[/p][/quote]I would not set out to offend you lads ,but this is a forum for discussion and debate ,so if either of you can categorically assure us that NJs influence isn`t involved in team selection or choice ie: (one MF over another) then fine ,but equally if he isn`t advising Oscar ,then he is not doing his job . I know ,the guy cant win ,but more importantly ,with recent team selections ,nor can we ,who do you choose ?. Surely you can see why the speculation . Personally i would be chuffed to hear Oscar`s broken English , even if NJ had to assist with pre/post commentaries ,OMHO. UTA[/p][/quote]I have no reason to assume that NJ has more power or influence than he should Surely the whole coaching staff are a team. I would be surprised if OG didn't consult NJ equally I would expect NJ to offer up his views on tactics & selection. Oscar does do interviews on seagulls player, so he isn't totally silent. Anyway, 3 points saturday and the world will seem a better place UTA[/p][/quote]With respect ,answer me one thing ,apart from NJ`s fluent Spanish ,what does he bring to the table ?????.[/p][/quote]Neither of us know You can't just assume he is rubbish because he was a league 1 player There are plenty examples of top managers and coaches who did not play at the top level. Equally there are plenty of top footballers who were crap managers. You may not be satisfied with recent performances but one thing the coaching team is doing is bringing through the DS players, So they are doing something right. If OG is not satisfied with NJ we will see a change in the summer . UTA[/p][/quote]Where did i say one word of ANY of that !.[/p][/quote]Apologies if that isn't your viewpoint, but it seems to be a consensus among some on here. We can both agree we don't know NJ contributions either positive or negative. Just that he talks more than OG OldGull
  • Score: 3

11:59pm Wed 2 Apr 14

gordongull says...

OldGull wrote:
gordongull wrote:
I believe that Oscar is subject to far too much input and influence from individuals who lack the necessary experience.
Oscar has won a national championship, but at B&HA, he has had coaching and scouting staff imposed on him, and it would appear that he has no control over the acquisition of players. Those at club management level have misguidedly taken on this role with lamentable ineptitude.
Oscar needs to give his employers an ultimatum. Here is a list of demands he should produce for their consideration:
1 The title of Manager.
2 A clear-out of coaching and scouting staff so he can bring in his own people.
3 Full control over transfer policy.
Oscar is a professional surrounded by amateurs, and he will not realize his full potential until their influence and interference is discontinued.
1 He comes from a background of 1st team coaches, how do you know he wants the title manager.
2 He brought over his own backroom staff, again you are assuming he does not want NJ
3 Does any manager have full control of transfer policy?
Maybe Fergie, Mourinho & Arsene did/do

The last 2 were not top class footballers either.

Who are the amateurs you refer to?
TB owns the club
B&B have both worked in premier league
How many teams have have the hierarchy at B&HA put together?
What qualifications do they have to pick the players Oscar needs to assemble a successful team?
And why would he not want to be manager, if that gave him the level of authority required to carry out the project his own way?
[quote][p][bold]OldGull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: I believe that Oscar is subject to far too much input and influence from individuals who lack the necessary experience. Oscar has won a national championship, but at B&HA, he has had coaching and scouting staff imposed on him, and it would appear that he has no control over the acquisition of players. Those at club management level have misguidedly taken on this role with lamentable ineptitude. Oscar needs to give his employers an ultimatum. Here is a list of demands he should produce for their consideration: 1 The title of Manager. 2 A clear-out of coaching and scouting staff so he can bring in his own people. 3 Full control over transfer policy. Oscar is a professional surrounded by amateurs, and he will not realize his full potential until their influence and interference is discontinued.[/p][/quote]1 He comes from a background of 1st team coaches, how do you know he wants the title manager. 2 He brought over his own backroom staff, again you are assuming he does not want NJ 3 Does any manager have full control of transfer policy? Maybe Fergie, Mourinho & Arsene did/do The last 2 were not top class footballers either. Who are the amateurs you refer to? TB owns the club B&B have both worked in premier league[/p][/quote]How many teams have have the hierarchy at B&HA put together? What qualifications do they have to pick the players Oscar needs to assemble a successful team? And why would he not want to be manager, if that gave him the level of authority required to carry out the project his own way? gordongull
  • Score: -2

12:12am Thu 3 Apr 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

gordongull wrote:
OldGull wrote:
gordongull wrote:
I believe that Oscar is subject to far too much input and influence from individuals who lack the necessary experience.
Oscar has won a national championship, but at B&HA, he has had coaching and scouting staff imposed on him, and it would appear that he has no control over the acquisition of players. Those at club management level have misguidedly taken on this role with lamentable ineptitude.
Oscar needs to give his employers an ultimatum. Here is a list of demands he should produce for their consideration:
1 The title of Manager.
2 A clear-out of coaching and scouting staff so he can bring in his own people.
3 Full control over transfer policy.
Oscar is a professional surrounded by amateurs, and he will not realize his full potential until their influence and interference is discontinued.
1 He comes from a background of 1st team coaches, how do you know he wants the title manager.
2 He brought over his own backroom staff, again you are assuming he does not want NJ
3 Does any manager have full control of transfer policy?
Maybe Fergie, Mourinho & Arsene did/do

The last 2 were not top class footballers either.

Who are the amateurs you refer to?
TB owns the club
B&B have both worked in premier league
How many teams have have the hierarchy at B&HA put together?
What qualifications do they have to pick the players Oscar needs to assemble a successful team?
And why would he not want to be manager, if that gave him the level of authority required to carry out the project his own way?
OG has never been involved in recruitment and has stated it's not his thing. Burke has been involved in recruitment for years and has all the 'qualifications' necessary. Barber is doing what Bloom is telling him to do. Burke is working to a budget given to him by Barber. OG is working with the players he's been given.

Just let OG coach the team - it's what he does best! If you start getting him involved in scouting and recruitment it will take away from his core skills - coaching players and making them (and the team) better.
[quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OldGull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: I believe that Oscar is subject to far too much input and influence from individuals who lack the necessary experience. Oscar has won a national championship, but at B&HA, he has had coaching and scouting staff imposed on him, and it would appear that he has no control over the acquisition of players. Those at club management level have misguidedly taken on this role with lamentable ineptitude. Oscar needs to give his employers an ultimatum. Here is a list of demands he should produce for their consideration: 1 The title of Manager. 2 A clear-out of coaching and scouting staff so he can bring in his own people. 3 Full control over transfer policy. Oscar is a professional surrounded by amateurs, and he will not realize his full potential until their influence and interference is discontinued.[/p][/quote]1 He comes from a background of 1st team coaches, how do you know he wants the title manager. 2 He brought over his own backroom staff, again you are assuming he does not want NJ 3 Does any manager have full control of transfer policy? Maybe Fergie, Mourinho & Arsene did/do The last 2 were not top class footballers either. Who are the amateurs you refer to? TB owns the club B&B have both worked in premier league[/p][/quote]How many teams have have the hierarchy at B&HA put together? What qualifications do they have to pick the players Oscar needs to assemble a successful team? And why would he not want to be manager, if that gave him the level of authority required to carry out the project his own way?[/p][/quote]OG has never been involved in recruitment and has stated it's not his thing. Burke has been involved in recruitment for years and has all the 'qualifications' necessary. Barber is doing what Bloom is telling him to do. Burke is working to a budget given to him by Barber. OG is working with the players he's been given. Just let OG coach the team - it's what he does best! If you start getting him involved in scouting and recruitment it will take away from his core skills - coaching players and making them (and the team) better. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 4

12:17am Thu 3 Apr 14

wenners says...

Jonathan Mouette wrote:
Jones this, Jones that, do I ever get fed up with hearing what Jones has to say...? Well apart from the fact that his latest utterings are blindingly obvious yes I do get ever so slightly fed up... and please don't reply with comments such as "read something else" because he gets everywhere - and our OG is nowhere to be seen. (Doubters can look at http://www.newsnow.c

o.uk/h/Sport/Footbal

l/Championship/Brigh

ton in order to verify.) Hopefully he is busy checking on the fitness of WH and CMS. Now if anyone can tell me why WH was not in the squad last night I'll be very pleased. Roll on Saturday and this time 3points please.
Hoskins picked up a muscle injury ,i believe, during his last game back . I don't think he's too far off a return . I don't reckon we will see too much of young Will !
[quote][p][bold]Jonathan Mouette[/bold] wrote: Jones this, Jones that, do I ever get fed up with hearing what Jones has to say...? Well apart from the fact that his latest utterings are blindingly obvious yes I do get ever so slightly fed up... and please don't reply with comments such as "read something else" because he gets everywhere - and our OG is nowhere to be seen. (Doubters can look at http://www.newsnow.c o.uk/h/Sport/Footbal l/Championship/Brigh ton in order to verify.) Hopefully he is busy checking on the fitness of WH and CMS. Now if anyone can tell me why WH was not in the squad last night I'll be very pleased. Roll on Saturday and this time 3points please.[/p][/quote]Hoskins picked up a muscle injury ,i believe, during his last game back . I don't think he's too far off a return . I don't reckon we will see too much of young Will ! wenners
  • Score: 1

12:31am Thu 3 Apr 14

gordongull says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
gordongull wrote:
OldGull wrote:
gordongull wrote:
I believe that Oscar is subject to far too much input and influence from individuals who lack the necessary experience.
Oscar has won a national championship, but at B&HA, he has had coaching and scouting staff imposed on him, and it would appear that he has no control over the acquisition of players. Those at club management level have misguidedly taken on this role with lamentable ineptitude.
Oscar needs to give his employers an ultimatum. Here is a list of demands he should produce for their consideration:
1 The title of Manager.
2 A clear-out of coaching and scouting staff so he can bring in his own people.
3 Full control over transfer policy.
Oscar is a professional surrounded by amateurs, and he will not realize his full potential until their influence and interference is discontinued.
1 He comes from a background of 1st team coaches, how do you know he wants the title manager.
2 He brought over his own backroom staff, again you are assuming he does not want NJ
3 Does any manager have full control of transfer policy?
Maybe Fergie, Mourinho & Arsene did/do

The last 2 were not top class footballers either.

Who are the amateurs you refer to?
TB owns the club
B&B have both worked in premier league
How many teams have have the hierarchy at B&HA put together?
What qualifications do they have to pick the players Oscar needs to assemble a successful team?
And why would he not want to be manager, if that gave him the level of authority required to carry out the project his own way?
OG has never been involved in recruitment and has stated it's not his thing. Burke has been involved in recruitment for years and has all the 'qualifications' necessary. Barber is doing what Bloom is telling him to do. Burke is working to a budget given to him by Barber. OG is working with the players he's been given.

Just let OG coach the team - it's what he does best! If you start getting him involved in scouting and recruitment it will take away from his core skills - coaching players and making them (and the team) better.
Oscar has been involved in English football for almost a full season. Are you suggesting that David Burke is better placed to choose players for OSCAR'S team? We are not likely to win anything while the team is run by a committee. Nearly all the successful sides have a clearly defined Manager, who has the status and authority to oversee the project in general, and is also responsible for recruitment.
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OldGull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: I believe that Oscar is subject to far too much input and influence from individuals who lack the necessary experience. Oscar has won a national championship, but at B&HA, he has had coaching and scouting staff imposed on him, and it would appear that he has no control over the acquisition of players. Those at club management level have misguidedly taken on this role with lamentable ineptitude. Oscar needs to give his employers an ultimatum. Here is a list of demands he should produce for their consideration: 1 The title of Manager. 2 A clear-out of coaching and scouting staff so he can bring in his own people. 3 Full control over transfer policy. Oscar is a professional surrounded by amateurs, and he will not realize his full potential until their influence and interference is discontinued.[/p][/quote]1 He comes from a background of 1st team coaches, how do you know he wants the title manager. 2 He brought over his own backroom staff, again you are assuming he does not want NJ 3 Does any manager have full control of transfer policy? Maybe Fergie, Mourinho & Arsene did/do The last 2 were not top class footballers either. Who are the amateurs you refer to? TB owns the club B&B have both worked in premier league[/p][/quote]How many teams have have the hierarchy at B&HA put together? What qualifications do they have to pick the players Oscar needs to assemble a successful team? And why would he not want to be manager, if that gave him the level of authority required to carry out the project his own way?[/p][/quote]OG has never been involved in recruitment and has stated it's not his thing. Burke has been involved in recruitment for years and has all the 'qualifications' necessary. Barber is doing what Bloom is telling him to do. Burke is working to a budget given to him by Barber. OG is working with the players he's been given. Just let OG coach the team - it's what he does best! If you start getting him involved in scouting and recruitment it will take away from his core skills - coaching players and making them (and the team) better.[/p][/quote]Oscar has been involved in English football for almost a full season. Are you suggesting that David Burke is better placed to choose players for OSCAR'S team? We are not likely to win anything while the team is run by a committee. Nearly all the successful sides have a clearly defined Manager, who has the status and authority to oversee the project in general, and is also responsible for recruitment. gordongull
  • Score: -2

3:46pm Thu 3 Apr 14

OldGull says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
gordongull wrote:
OldGull wrote:
gordongull wrote:
I believe that Oscar is subject to far too much input and influence from individuals who lack the necessary experience.
Oscar has won a national championship, but at B&HA, he has had coaching and scouting staff imposed on him, and it would appear that he has no control over the acquisition of players. Those at club management level have misguidedly taken on this role with lamentable ineptitude.
Oscar needs to give his employers an ultimatum. Here is a list of demands he should produce for their consideration:
1 The title of Manager.
2 A clear-out of coaching and scouting staff so he can bring in his own people.
3 Full control over transfer policy.
Oscar is a professional surrounded by amateurs, and he will not realize his full potential until their influence and interference is discontinued.
1 He comes from a background of 1st team coaches, how do you know he wants the title manager.
2 He brought over his own backroom staff, again you are assuming he does not want NJ
3 Does any manager have full control of transfer policy?
Maybe Fergie, Mourinho & Arsene did/do

The last 2 were not top class footballers either.

Who are the amateurs you refer to?
TB owns the club
B&B have both worked in premier league
How many teams have have the hierarchy at B&HA put together?
What qualifications do they have to pick the players Oscar needs to assemble a successful team?
And why would he not want to be manager, if that gave him the level of authority required to carry out the project his own way?
OG has never been involved in recruitment and has stated it's not his thing. Burke has been involved in recruitment for years and has all the 'qualifications' necessary. Barber is doing what Bloom is telling him to do. Burke is working to a budget given to him by Barber. OG is working with the players he's been given.

Just let OG coach the team - it's what he does best! If you start getting him involved in scouting and recruitment it will take away from his core skills - coaching players and making them (and the team) better.
Well said Arnie
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OldGull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: I believe that Oscar is subject to far too much input and influence from individuals who lack the necessary experience. Oscar has won a national championship, but at B&HA, he has had coaching and scouting staff imposed on him, and it would appear that he has no control over the acquisition of players. Those at club management level have misguidedly taken on this role with lamentable ineptitude. Oscar needs to give his employers an ultimatum. Here is a list of demands he should produce for their consideration: 1 The title of Manager. 2 A clear-out of coaching and scouting staff so he can bring in his own people. 3 Full control over transfer policy. Oscar is a professional surrounded by amateurs, and he will not realize his full potential until their influence and interference is discontinued.[/p][/quote]1 He comes from a background of 1st team coaches, how do you know he wants the title manager. 2 He brought over his own backroom staff, again you are assuming he does not want NJ 3 Does any manager have full control of transfer policy? Maybe Fergie, Mourinho & Arsene did/do The last 2 were not top class footballers either. Who are the amateurs you refer to? TB owns the club B&B have both worked in premier league[/p][/quote]How many teams have have the hierarchy at B&HA put together? What qualifications do they have to pick the players Oscar needs to assemble a successful team? And why would he not want to be manager, if that gave him the level of authority required to carry out the project his own way?[/p][/quote]OG has never been involved in recruitment and has stated it's not his thing. Burke has been involved in recruitment for years and has all the 'qualifications' necessary. Barber is doing what Bloom is telling him to do. Burke is working to a budget given to him by Barber. OG is working with the players he's been given. Just let OG coach the team - it's what he does best! If you start getting him involved in scouting and recruitment it will take away from his core skills - coaching players and making them (and the team) better.[/p][/quote]Well said Arnie OldGull
  • Score: 2

4:13pm Thu 3 Apr 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

gordongull wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
gordongull wrote:
OldGull wrote:
gordongull wrote:
I believe that Oscar is subject to far too much input and influence from individuals who lack the necessary experience.
Oscar has won a national championship, but at B&HA, he has had coaching and scouting staff imposed on him, and it would appear that he has no control over the acquisition of players. Those at club management level have misguidedly taken on this role with lamentable ineptitude.
Oscar needs to give his employers an ultimatum. Here is a list of demands he should produce for their consideration:
1 The title of Manager.
2 A clear-out of coaching and scouting staff so he can bring in his own people.
3 Full control over transfer policy.
Oscar is a professional surrounded by amateurs, and he will not realize his full potential until their influence and interference is discontinued.
1 He comes from a background of 1st team coaches, how do you know he wants the title manager.
2 He brought over his own backroom staff, again you are assuming he does not want NJ
3 Does any manager have full control of transfer policy?
Maybe Fergie, Mourinho & Arsene did/do

The last 2 were not top class footballers either.

Who are the amateurs you refer to?
TB owns the club
B&B have both worked in premier league
How many teams have have the hierarchy at B&HA put together?
What qualifications do they have to pick the players Oscar needs to assemble a successful team?
And why would he not want to be manager, if that gave him the level of authority required to carry out the project his own way?
OG has never been involved in recruitment and has stated it's not his thing. Burke has been involved in recruitment for years and has all the 'qualifications' necessary. Barber is doing what Bloom is telling him to do. Burke is working to a budget given to him by Barber. OG is working with the players he's been given.

Just let OG coach the team - it's what he does best! If you start getting him involved in scouting and recruitment it will take away from his core skills - coaching players and making them (and the team) better.
Oscar has been involved in English football for almost a full season. Are you suggesting that David Burke is better placed to choose players for OSCAR'S team? We are not likely to win anything while the team is run by a committee. Nearly all the successful sides have a clearly defined Manager, who has the status and authority to oversee the project in general, and is also responsible for recruitment.
Yes, I'm saying precisely that Burke is better placed to select players, as he has been involved with monitoring them for years. It is what he does, and has done at bigger clubs than ours.

There are very few old-style "clearly defined managers" around these days. Even those that cling to the title pass a lot of their work to others. Most who ARE involved in the extra stuff are hardly ever involved in day-to-day training (there just aren't the hours in a week), so are in effect DoFs who happen to select the team. We have a coach who selects the team, that's the only difference.

And you are forgetting that OG said he has no experience in looking for players and will be looking to others to fulfil that role. He came here as coach, to coach, with the title of coach.

"We are not likely to win anything while the team is run by a committee." - an opinion poorly disguised as fact. Given our budget you could easily say we are not likely to win anything while the team is run by a manager.

The game has moved on. There is an inexorable move to Head Coaches and Directors of Football, a move away from a rigid 4-4-2 to a more fluid formation based loosely on 4-3-3. There is no point clinging to the old ways just because they are familiar and comfortable. Things change whether or not we like it.

Accept it or don't, it will make no difference.
[quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OldGull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: I believe that Oscar is subject to far too much input and influence from individuals who lack the necessary experience. Oscar has won a national championship, but at B&HA, he has had coaching and scouting staff imposed on him, and it would appear that he has no control over the acquisition of players. Those at club management level have misguidedly taken on this role with lamentable ineptitude. Oscar needs to give his employers an ultimatum. Here is a list of demands he should produce for their consideration: 1 The title of Manager. 2 A clear-out of coaching and scouting staff so he can bring in his own people. 3 Full control over transfer policy. Oscar is a professional surrounded by amateurs, and he will not realize his full potential until their influence and interference is discontinued.[/p][/quote]1 He comes from a background of 1st team coaches, how do you know he wants the title manager. 2 He brought over his own backroom staff, again you are assuming he does not want NJ 3 Does any manager have full control of transfer policy? Maybe Fergie, Mourinho & Arsene did/do The last 2 were not top class footballers either. Who are the amateurs you refer to? TB owns the club B&B have both worked in premier league[/p][/quote]How many teams have have the hierarchy at B&HA put together? What qualifications do they have to pick the players Oscar needs to assemble a successful team? And why would he not want to be manager, if that gave him the level of authority required to carry out the project his own way?[/p][/quote]OG has never been involved in recruitment and has stated it's not his thing. Burke has been involved in recruitment for years and has all the 'qualifications' necessary. Barber is doing what Bloom is telling him to do. Burke is working to a budget given to him by Barber. OG is working with the players he's been given. Just let OG coach the team - it's what he does best! If you start getting him involved in scouting and recruitment it will take away from his core skills - coaching players and making them (and the team) better.[/p][/quote]Oscar has been involved in English football for almost a full season. Are you suggesting that David Burke is better placed to choose players for OSCAR'S team? We are not likely to win anything while the team is run by a committee. Nearly all the successful sides have a clearly defined Manager, who has the status and authority to oversee the project in general, and is also responsible for recruitment.[/p][/quote]Yes, I'm saying precisely that Burke is better placed to select players, as he has been involved with monitoring them for years. It is what he does, and has done at bigger clubs than ours. There are very few old-style "clearly defined managers" around these days. Even those that cling to the title pass a lot of their work to others. Most who ARE involved in the extra stuff are hardly ever involved in day-to-day training (there just aren't the hours in a week), so are in effect DoFs who happen to select the team. We have a coach who selects the team, that's the only difference. And you are forgetting that OG said he has no experience in looking for players and will be looking to others to fulfil that role. He came here as coach, to coach, with the title of coach. "We are not likely to win anything while the team is run by a committee." - an opinion poorly disguised as fact. Given our budget you could easily say we are not likely to win anything while the team is run by a manager. The game has moved on. There is an inexorable move to Head Coaches and Directors of Football, a move away from a rigid 4-4-2 to a more fluid formation based loosely on 4-3-3. There is no point clinging to the old ways just because they are familiar and comfortable. Things change whether or not we like it. Accept it or don't, it will make no difference. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 2

5:52pm Thu 3 Apr 14

gordongull says...

OldGull and Ex-pat Arnie, - you have both made a good case for the status quo.
OldGull and Ex-pat Arnie, - you have both made a good case for the status quo. gordongull
  • Score: 2

3:14am Sat 5 Apr 14

Captain Haddock says...

Some good contributions here - especially those immediately above my post. I generally agree with Arnie on this.
Some good contributions here - especially those immediately above my post. I generally agree with Arnie on this. Captain Haddock
  • Score: 0

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