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Oscar on Oakwell stalemate

The Argus: Oscar and Nathan Jones today Oscar and Nathan Jones today

Oscar Garcia felt Albion had the chances to beat Barnsley today.

But the Albion head coach admitted it took his side 45 minutes to really get going.

Oscar said the relegation-threatened Tykes harried his men out of their stride in the first half.

But he thought that changed after the break.

Oscar said: “I think in the first half the game was quite even.

“We had some problems to play as we wanted to play.

“But in the second half I think we were the better side.

“We created the best chances but we didn’t take them.

“They pressed high, they pressed with energy. They are playing not to get relegated.

"We expected them to start the game full of energy but, in the second half, we knew they would start to get tired.”

Albion have now gone five games without a win but have drawn away from home twice in the past week.

Oscar added: “I think in the last two games we showed a lot of character.”

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6:41pm Sat 5 Apr 14

The Phantom says...

Nothing of any real interest there then. Season petering out disappointingly. Good to see March get a start and play well - would be nice to see him get a run before the end of the season to try and find out how good he might be in the future.
Nothing of any real interest there then. Season petering out disappointingly. Good to see March get a start and play well - would be nice to see him get a run before the end of the season to try and find out how good he might be in the future. The Phantom
  • Score: 12

6:46pm Sat 5 Apr 14

Neville says...

Standard interview with OG
We were the better team but we did not take our chances.I only look one game ahead.I am proud of my players.Yawn yawn yawn
Standard interview with OG We were the better team but we did not take our chances.I only look one game ahead.I am proud of my players.Yawn yawn yawn Neville
  • Score: 18

6:55pm Sat 5 Apr 14

fratsomrover says...

So Oscar says "“I think in the last two games we showed a lot of character.”
How does he arrive at this conclusion ?
Lets get things in perspective here.
We are playing a team in the relegation zone, one of the poorest teams in the division, with the second worst GD and we manage 1 ( ONE) shot on target in 90 minutes.
Where is the character in that ?
It's appalling !! Dont all the supporters who made the journey to Barnsley deserve better? Dont we all deserve something better ?
Frankly it is embarrassing how toothless we are.
In 4 of our last 5 games we have failed to score and we are talking about teams like Barnsley who have conceded 65 goals.
It's not the players who are to blame, it is the tactics and it's about time OG faced up to this.
So Oscar says "“I think in the last two games we showed a lot of character.” How does he arrive at this conclusion ? Lets get things in perspective here. We are playing a team in the relegation zone, one of the poorest teams in the division, with the second worst GD and we manage 1 ( ONE) shot on target in 90 minutes. Where is the character in that ? It's appalling !! Dont all the supporters who made the journey to Barnsley deserve better? Dont we all deserve something better ? Frankly it is embarrassing how toothless we are. In 4 of our last 5 games we have failed to score and we are talking about teams like Barnsley who have conceded 65 goals. It's not the players who are to blame, it is the tactics and it's about time OG faced up to this. fratsomrover
  • Score: 34

6:56pm Sat 5 Apr 14

WisdomSpeaks says...

I think it's time to acknowledge what kind of first season Oscar Garcia has had and what kind of manager we have after a number of critical calls for his head.

The guys pedigree. Although new to English football he has played at the very highest level of world football under one of the games true greats, Johan Cruyff. Johan had seen and done it all and he recognized OG's talent by appointing him Barcelona Youth Team Manager. He wins trophies with them as soon as he is in charge.

Johan's son, Jordy, who played under the greatest British manager of our time, SAF at United, gets appointed as Head of Football at Macabbi Tel Aviv. He immediately appoints Oscar as Manager and Macabbi win the Israeli Premier League for the first time in over ten years in Oscar's first season.

We then appoint Oscar in horrible circumstances with all sorts of unrest as Poyet and all his staff are suspended and Poyet finally sacked for gross misconduct. Players are human beings. Some loved Poyet, some not so much but whatever it is not the ideal situation.

He has a Head of Football who has no great pedigree and certainly none to compare with Oscar himself. I get the feeling that his assistant, Nathan Jones, was probably 'suggested' to him as he spoke Spanish. Whatever, he also doesn't come near to Oscar's experience.

Success in football, as in everything, is about concordant chemistry and harmony within all areas and especially in football the Manager/ Head Coach must be seen by the players as THE man who makes all football decisions.

I think when you consider all of this and what happened in the transfer window Oscar has done an incredible job. I understand the media and some fans get frustrated as he is so un emotional in his interviews and he also insists on always focussing on the positive and the next game.

I would be seeing if Cruyff is available to come as Head of Football, if the club still believes we need one, and also get Oscar to choose his own assistant. Then I believe we would see a dramatic improvement in our club.

I watch the games using binoculars so I can see body language on the bench and I notice an absence of togetherness between Oscar and Nathan and I don't like hearing the coach do as much talking to the media as he does.

I'm convinced Oscar knows what he is doing and I don't feel that same confident about other areas.

I think it's interesting that Brendan Rodgers told John Henry he would not work with a Director of Football and we are seeing the results. If a massive club like Liverpool can run without one why can't we. Especially as we are supposed to be reducing costs.

To still be in with a real chance of the play offs is a great achievement from Oscar and think he can do great things for us when he takes more power,
I think it's time to acknowledge what kind of first season Oscar Garcia has had and what kind of manager we have after a number of critical calls for his head. The guys pedigree. Although new to English football he has played at the very highest level of world football under one of the games true greats, Johan Cruyff. Johan had seen and done it all and he recognized OG's talent by appointing him Barcelona Youth Team Manager. He wins trophies with them as soon as he is in charge. Johan's son, Jordy, who played under the greatest British manager of our time, SAF at United, gets appointed as Head of Football at Macabbi Tel Aviv. He immediately appoints Oscar as Manager and Macabbi win the Israeli Premier League for the first time in over ten years in Oscar's first season. We then appoint Oscar in horrible circumstances with all sorts of unrest as Poyet and all his staff are suspended and Poyet finally sacked for gross misconduct. Players are human beings. Some loved Poyet, some not so much but whatever it is not the ideal situation. He has a Head of Football who has no great pedigree and certainly none to compare with Oscar himself. I get the feeling that his assistant, Nathan Jones, was probably 'suggested' to him as he spoke Spanish. Whatever, he also doesn't come near to Oscar's experience. Success in football, as in everything, is about concordant chemistry and harmony within all areas and especially in football the Manager/ Head Coach must be seen by the players as THE man who makes all football decisions. I think when you consider all of this and what happened in the transfer window Oscar has done an incredible job. I understand the media and some fans get frustrated as he is so un emotional in his interviews and he also insists on always focussing on the positive and the next game. I would be seeing if Cruyff is available to come as Head of Football, if the club still believes we need one, and also get Oscar to choose his own assistant. Then I believe we would see a dramatic improvement in our club. I watch the games using binoculars so I can see body language on the bench and I notice an absence of togetherness between Oscar and Nathan and I don't like hearing the coach do as much talking to the media as he does. I'm convinced Oscar knows what he is doing and I don't feel that same confident about other areas. I think it's interesting that Brendan Rodgers told John Henry he would not work with a Director of Football and we are seeing the results. If a massive club like Liverpool can run without one why can't we. Especially as we are supposed to be reducing costs. To still be in with a real chance of the play offs is a great achievement from Oscar and think he can do great things for us when he takes more power, WisdomSpeaks
  • Score: 82

7:17pm Sat 5 Apr 14

Phillip Smith says...

WisdomSpeaks wrote:
I think it's time to acknowledge what kind of first season Oscar Garcia has had and what kind of manager we have after a number of critical calls for his head.

The guys pedigree. Although new to English football he has played at the very highest level of world football under one of the games true greats, Johan Cruyff. Johan had seen and done it all and he recognized OG's talent by appointing him Barcelona Youth Team Manager. He wins trophies with them as soon as he is in charge.

Johan's son, Jordy, who played under the greatest British manager of our time, SAF at United, gets appointed as Head of Football at Macabbi Tel Aviv. He immediately appoints Oscar as Manager and Macabbi win the Israeli Premier League for the first time in over ten years in Oscar's first season.

We then appoint Oscar in horrible circumstances with all sorts of unrest as Poyet and all his staff are suspended and Poyet finally sacked for gross misconduct. Players are human beings. Some loved Poyet, some not so much but whatever it is not the ideal situation.

He has a Head of Football who has no great pedigree and certainly none to compare with Oscar himself. I get the feeling that his assistant, Nathan Jones, was probably 'suggested' to him as he spoke Spanish. Whatever, he also doesn't come near to Oscar's experience.

Success in football, as in everything, is about concordant chemistry and harmony within all areas and especially in football the Manager/ Head Coach must be seen by the players as THE man who makes all football decisions.

I think when you consider all of this and what happened in the transfer window Oscar has done an incredible job. I understand the media and some fans get frustrated as he is so un emotional in his interviews and he also insists on always focussing on the positive and the next game.

I would be seeing if Cruyff is available to come as Head of Football, if the club still believes we need one, and also get Oscar to choose his own assistant. Then I believe we would see a dramatic improvement in our club.

I watch the games using binoculars so I can see body language on the bench and I notice an absence of togetherness between Oscar and Nathan and I don't like hearing the coach do as much talking to the media as he does.

I'm convinced Oscar knows what he is doing and I don't feel that same confident about other areas.

I think it's interesting that Brendan Rodgers told John Henry he would not work with a Director of Football and we are seeing the results. If a massive club like Liverpool can run without one why can't we. Especially as we are supposed to be reducing costs.

To still be in with a real chance of the play offs is a great achievement from Oscar and think he can do great things for us when he takes more power,
i agree totally. It would be ok if the Head of Football was good at his job but it sounds like David Burke dosn't know what he's doing. Some of his signings have been suspect to say the least. We should have moved heaven and earth to keep Poyet at this club. Good managers are difficult to find. We should have sucked up to him, at least until we were in the Premier. Now we have a summer of further upheaval. Decent players will want to leave (Kuszack) as we are not getting promoted this season. Ulloa and Buckley will also be on the way I fear.
[quote][p][bold]WisdomSpeaks[/bold] wrote: I think it's time to acknowledge what kind of first season Oscar Garcia has had and what kind of manager we have after a number of critical calls for his head. The guys pedigree. Although new to English football he has played at the very highest level of world football under one of the games true greats, Johan Cruyff. Johan had seen and done it all and he recognized OG's talent by appointing him Barcelona Youth Team Manager. He wins trophies with them as soon as he is in charge. Johan's son, Jordy, who played under the greatest British manager of our time, SAF at United, gets appointed as Head of Football at Macabbi Tel Aviv. He immediately appoints Oscar as Manager and Macabbi win the Israeli Premier League for the first time in over ten years in Oscar's first season. We then appoint Oscar in horrible circumstances with all sorts of unrest as Poyet and all his staff are suspended and Poyet finally sacked for gross misconduct. Players are human beings. Some loved Poyet, some not so much but whatever it is not the ideal situation. He has a Head of Football who has no great pedigree and certainly none to compare with Oscar himself. I get the feeling that his assistant, Nathan Jones, was probably 'suggested' to him as he spoke Spanish. Whatever, he also doesn't come near to Oscar's experience. Success in football, as in everything, is about concordant chemistry and harmony within all areas and especially in football the Manager/ Head Coach must be seen by the players as THE man who makes all football decisions. I think when you consider all of this and what happened in the transfer window Oscar has done an incredible job. I understand the media and some fans get frustrated as he is so un emotional in his interviews and he also insists on always focussing on the positive and the next game. I would be seeing if Cruyff is available to come as Head of Football, if the club still believes we need one, and also get Oscar to choose his own assistant. Then I believe we would see a dramatic improvement in our club. I watch the games using binoculars so I can see body language on the bench and I notice an absence of togetherness between Oscar and Nathan and I don't like hearing the coach do as much talking to the media as he does. I'm convinced Oscar knows what he is doing and I don't feel that same confident about other areas. I think it's interesting that Brendan Rodgers told John Henry he would not work with a Director of Football and we are seeing the results. If a massive club like Liverpool can run without one why can't we. Especially as we are supposed to be reducing costs. To still be in with a real chance of the play offs is a great achievement from Oscar and think he can do great things for us when he takes more power,[/p][/quote]i agree totally. It would be ok if the Head of Football was good at his job but it sounds like David Burke dosn't know what he's doing. Some of his signings have been suspect to say the least. We should have moved heaven and earth to keep Poyet at this club. Good managers are difficult to find. We should have sucked up to him, at least until we were in the Premier. Now we have a summer of further upheaval. Decent players will want to leave (Kuszack) as we are not getting promoted this season. Ulloa and Buckley will also be on the way I fear. Phillip Smith
  • Score: -10

7:20pm Sat 5 Apr 14

driverchris53 says...

i like Oscar and still fully support him but to keep saying we should have won if we took our chances is getting to be a little repetitive.This division is weak this year and there was good chance we could go up but this lack of imaginaton and care in front of goal has cost us.If we went up this year we would have no chance of staying up;our squad is miles too poor but one season in Premier League would make them stronger.We are still in there with a chance;4 wins out of 6 would possibly be enough but to be truthful i cannot see us winning again this season.
i like Oscar and still fully support him but to keep saying we should have won if we took our chances is getting to be a little repetitive.This division is weak this year and there was good chance we could go up but this lack of imaginaton and care in front of goal has cost us.If we went up this year we would have no chance of staying up;our squad is miles too poor but one season in Premier League would make them stronger.We are still in there with a chance;4 wins out of 6 would possibly be enough but to be truthful i cannot see us winning again this season. driverchris53
  • Score: 1

7:23pm Sat 5 Apr 14

SevenD says...

At the start of the season I had an opinion, that given the style Gus left us with , would we adapt to Oscar's new inexperienced style, given that he has a great managerial record in non UK football.
And in my opinion we are where we are. A great mid table club that has suffered devastating absences from key players of influence.
The likes of Hammond , Bridge , Vicente , who are all gone ...and our form of players like Lopez , Buckley , Bruno has been less of an impact. plus combined with Bridcutt leaving as a main Backbone of the defence has dented us. given all this info... we are still a mid budgeted football team who play PROPER football.
The fans this year have been epic and in this league , the largest average attendance in the championship. so all this indicates we are missing something. Maybe a key midfielder with Vision and impact. a winger with great ball control to provide service to the front men , A defence that adaptable to come forward. all this is just about one thing. MONEY!!!!! we are respecting the new Financial fair play rules and adhering to a club of sustainability. The long term of the club is paramount to our survival. PLEASE BE PATIENT. this will come... we are not Chelsea or man city. we are a very succesfull south coast club that was nearly doomed 14 years ago.. and our resurgence has been amazing. lets all lower our expectations and become realistic. I love this club..... always have always will . XXX
At the start of the season I had an opinion, that given the style Gus left us with , would we adapt to Oscar's new inexperienced style, given that he has a great managerial record in non UK football. And in my opinion we are where we are. A great mid table club that has suffered devastating absences from key players of influence. The likes of Hammond , Bridge , Vicente , who are all gone ...and our form of players like Lopez , Buckley , Bruno has been less of an impact. plus combined with Bridcutt leaving as a main Backbone of the defence has dented us. given all this info... we are still a mid budgeted football team who play PROPER football. The fans this year have been epic and in this league , the largest average attendance in the championship. so all this indicates we are missing something. Maybe a key midfielder with Vision and impact. a winger with great ball control to provide service to the front men , A defence that adaptable to come forward. all this is just about one thing. MONEY!!!!! we are respecting the new Financial fair play rules and adhering to a club of sustainability. The long term of the club is paramount to our survival. PLEASE BE PATIENT. this will come... we are not Chelsea or man city. we are a very succesfull south coast club that was nearly doomed 14 years ago.. and our resurgence has been amazing. lets all lower our expectations and become realistic. I love this club..... always have always will . XXX SevenD
  • Score: 30

7:25pm Sat 5 Apr 14

wiseman of hove says...

WisdomSpeaks wrote:
I think it's time to acknowledge what kind of first season Oscar Garcia has had and what kind of manager we have after a number of critical calls for his head.

The guys pedigree. Although new to English football he has played at the very highest level of world football under one of the games true greats, Johan Cruyff. Johan had seen and done it all and he recognized OG's talent by appointing him Barcelona Youth Team Manager. He wins trophies with them as soon as he is in charge.

Johan's son, Jordy, who played under the greatest British manager of our time, SAF at United, gets appointed as Head of Football at Macabbi Tel Aviv. He immediately appoints Oscar as Manager and Macabbi win the Israeli Premier League for the first time in over ten years in Oscar's first season.

We then appoint Oscar in horrible circumstances with all sorts of unrest as Poyet and all his staff are suspended and Poyet finally sacked for gross misconduct. Players are human beings. Some loved Poyet, some not so much but whatever it is not the ideal situation.

He has a Head of Football who has no great pedigree and certainly none to compare with Oscar himself. I get the feeling that his assistant, Nathan Jones, was probably 'suggested' to him as he spoke Spanish. Whatever, he also doesn't come near to Oscar's experience.

Success in football, as in everything, is about concordant chemistry and harmony within all areas and especially in football the Manager/ Head Coach must be seen by the players as THE man who makes all football decisions.

I think when you consider all of this and what happened in the transfer window Oscar has done an incredible job. I understand the media and some fans get frustrated as he is so un emotional in his interviews and he also insists on always focussing on the positive and the next game.

I would be seeing if Cruyff is available to come as Head of Football, if the club still believes we need one, and also get Oscar to choose his own assistant. Then I believe we would see a dramatic improvement in our club.

I watch the games using binoculars so I can see body language on the bench and I notice an absence of togetherness between Oscar and Nathan and I don't like hearing the coach do as much talking to the media as he does.

I'm convinced Oscar knows what he is doing and I don't feel that same confident about other areas.

I think it's interesting that Brendan Rodgers told John Henry he would not work with a Director of Football and we are seeing the results. If a massive club like Liverpool can run without one why can't we. Especially as we are supposed to be reducing costs.

To still be in with a real chance of the play offs is a great achievement from Oscar and think he can do great things for us when he takes more power,
I respect your opinion but to state "Oscar has done an incredible job" is an accolade I doubt even he would award himself!
The standard of football I have witnessed this season has been poor, bordering on boring. I do hope you are right in your assessment that we will see a dramatic improvement next season.
[quote][p][bold]WisdomSpeaks[/bold] wrote: I think it's time to acknowledge what kind of first season Oscar Garcia has had and what kind of manager we have after a number of critical calls for his head. The guys pedigree. Although new to English football he has played at the very highest level of world football under one of the games true greats, Johan Cruyff. Johan had seen and done it all and he recognized OG's talent by appointing him Barcelona Youth Team Manager. He wins trophies with them as soon as he is in charge. Johan's son, Jordy, who played under the greatest British manager of our time, SAF at United, gets appointed as Head of Football at Macabbi Tel Aviv. He immediately appoints Oscar as Manager and Macabbi win the Israeli Premier League for the first time in over ten years in Oscar's first season. We then appoint Oscar in horrible circumstances with all sorts of unrest as Poyet and all his staff are suspended and Poyet finally sacked for gross misconduct. Players are human beings. Some loved Poyet, some not so much but whatever it is not the ideal situation. He has a Head of Football who has no great pedigree and certainly none to compare with Oscar himself. I get the feeling that his assistant, Nathan Jones, was probably 'suggested' to him as he spoke Spanish. Whatever, he also doesn't come near to Oscar's experience. Success in football, as in everything, is about concordant chemistry and harmony within all areas and especially in football the Manager/ Head Coach must be seen by the players as THE man who makes all football decisions. I think when you consider all of this and what happened in the transfer window Oscar has done an incredible job. I understand the media and some fans get frustrated as he is so un emotional in his interviews and he also insists on always focussing on the positive and the next game. I would be seeing if Cruyff is available to come as Head of Football, if the club still believes we need one, and also get Oscar to choose his own assistant. Then I believe we would see a dramatic improvement in our club. I watch the games using binoculars so I can see body language on the bench and I notice an absence of togetherness between Oscar and Nathan and I don't like hearing the coach do as much talking to the media as he does. I'm convinced Oscar knows what he is doing and I don't feel that same confident about other areas. I think it's interesting that Brendan Rodgers told John Henry he would not work with a Director of Football and we are seeing the results. If a massive club like Liverpool can run without one why can't we. Especially as we are supposed to be reducing costs. To still be in with a real chance of the play offs is a great achievement from Oscar and think he can do great things for us when he takes more power,[/p][/quote]I respect your opinion but to state "Oscar has done an incredible job" is an accolade I doubt even he would award himself! The standard of football I have witnessed this season has been poor, bordering on boring. I do hope you are right in your assessment that we will see a dramatic improvement next season. wiseman of hove
  • Score: 10

7:25pm Sat 5 Apr 14

bruce beckett says...

Character? Yeah, it really takes a lot of character to draw 0-0 at lowly Barnsley when you need all three points. I'd rather have seen us lose 4-3 or at least had a go like we did at Blackburn on Tuesday. Disappointing would be a better word.

We need better players if we're going to be in the playoff hunt next season...and the management team needs to do a better job getting the best out of them.

Too much negative, boring, tippy tappy football this season with no end product.

Shame we missed out on Grabban because it's clear Ulloa playing on his own up top isn't working. Best thing for me today was seeing CMS back in action. Here's hoping he can have a run of games now without injury. He deserves it.
Character? Yeah, it really takes a lot of character to draw 0-0 at lowly Barnsley when you need all three points. I'd rather have seen us lose 4-3 or at least had a go like we did at Blackburn on Tuesday. Disappointing would be a better word. We need better players if we're going to be in the playoff hunt next season...and the management team needs to do a better job getting the best out of them. Too much negative, boring, tippy tappy football this season with no end product. Shame we missed out on Grabban because it's clear Ulloa playing on his own up top isn't working. Best thing for me today was seeing CMS back in action. Here's hoping he can have a run of games now without injury. He deserves it. bruce beckett
  • Score: 20

7:33pm Sat 5 Apr 14

mark by the sea says...

Honest truth is we are a million miles from promotion, in my opinion unlikely to hit 50 goals,
Where are the problems,
Well selling our only other fit striker Barnes without lining a quality replacement was a massive error, we had 6 months to line up a sale and purchase only for it to end in a farce .
The Bridcutt situation was always going to happen and the club have 3.5 million from it.
Injuries to players ... Sorry but if you sign injury prone players Orlandi , Hoskins and Buckley don't be surprised they are injured.
Talk of losing TK and some on here saying we will find a similar player is a farce again,
The contract situation is as TK said players out of contract will have there agents shopping for deals, this does not help us in bargaining, but some players might agree a contract as they are legally entitled with a few months left. Sorry but this does not work .
Burke keeps saying wages are coming down? Proof?
If you look at the bottom 8 clubs in the premiership at Xmas 6 broke there own transfer records, if they can do that wages will stay high.
The lack of a coherent transfer policy this season shows lack of clarity, starting the first 10 games with only one fit striker beggars belief at a club with 24000 season tickets.
The much touted youth set up again is missing prime kids to palace and Southampton .. No scouts at a patcham 5 a side except premier league clubs, of those palace picked up a 11 year old, saints grabbed a lad of 9 playing for the under 11s.
For me the club needs new blood in every avenue at the club, jones is out of his depth, OG has a job playing someone else's choices, ( Lita , obika kemy)
Where is the leadership from the manager? Sorry but have we ever played badly and someone actually stated that!
The future is about securing quality , TK , upson , ward need to be offered deals now, Calderon is a true man, never grumbles and for me should be asked to take his badges and be guided into a coaching role .
A certain Liam Brady is out of work in a month, let's go get him to run the academy , and assist OG in bringing the right players here.
We need to look to bring in players like Sam Gallagher at Southampton, a centreback at arsenal who's name I can't place and Scott Sinclair from man city who has lost his way, sorry but next season can't be as bad as this one.
I will be there at Leicester and at all the home games, if we have half a chance I be at forest, but for me Bournemouth look the danger.
Honest truth is we are a million miles from promotion, in my opinion unlikely to hit 50 goals, Where are the problems, Well selling our only other fit striker Barnes without lining a quality replacement was a massive error, we had 6 months to line up a sale and purchase only for it to end in a farce . The Bridcutt situation was always going to happen and the club have 3.5 million from it. Injuries to players ... Sorry but if you sign injury prone players Orlandi , Hoskins and Buckley don't be surprised they are injured. Talk of losing TK and some on here saying we will find a similar player is a farce again, The contract situation is as TK said players out of contract will have there agents shopping for deals, this does not help us in bargaining, but some players might agree a contract as they are legally entitled with a few months left. Sorry but this does not work . Burke keeps saying wages are coming down? Proof? If you look at the bottom 8 clubs in the premiership at Xmas 6 broke there own transfer records, if they can do that wages will stay high. The lack of a coherent transfer policy this season shows lack of clarity, starting the first 10 games with only one fit striker beggars belief at a club with 24000 season tickets. The much touted youth set up again is missing prime kids to palace and Southampton .. No scouts at a patcham 5 a side except premier league clubs, of those palace picked up a 11 year old, saints grabbed a lad of 9 playing for the under 11s. For me the club needs new blood in every avenue at the club, jones is out of his depth, OG has a job playing someone else's choices, ( Lita , obika kemy) Where is the leadership from the manager? Sorry but have we ever played badly and someone actually stated that! The future is about securing quality , TK , upson , ward need to be offered deals now, Calderon is a true man, never grumbles and for me should be asked to take his badges and be guided into a coaching role . A certain Liam Brady is out of work in a month, let's go get him to run the academy , and assist OG in bringing the right players here. We need to look to bring in players like Sam Gallagher at Southampton, a centreback at arsenal who's name I can't place and Scott Sinclair from man city who has lost his way, sorry but next season can't be as bad as this one. I will be there at Leicester and at all the home games, if we have half a chance I be at forest, but for me Bournemouth look the danger. mark by the sea
  • Score: 37

7:35pm Sat 5 Apr 14

albionfan64 says...

I am extremely p!ssed off that a tin pot club like Bournemouth are level on points with us, having been a dozen or so behind us some weeks ago. Especially as we battered them at home, but with 1 point to show for it.

Yet again Oscar bemoans the fact that we missed chances to score. Ok football is about luck sometimes and if the signings work, they work. Lingard and Rodriguez have looked lightweight and I am surprised that the former is held in high regard by Man Utd fans.

Don't get me wrong but I have been supportive of Oscar in recent weeks, when the Sh!t has been hitting the fan. What I am not sure about now is Nathan Jones, having heard a lot from disgruntled fans.

I can tell you from my own experience that I was unsure of his credentials when at Yeovil Town. I run a football club in the Sussex County League and through an acquaintance, lets just say, offered to sign a player on loan . He agreed to the deal and the club secretary did the rest. The deal in fact wasn't sanctioned by the FA, and we got fined a s a club. The player in question had been offered by his agent and had been bigged up, lets just say, so Yeovil signed him. The agent had done a good job, as he certainly wasn't even semi pro' class, let alone football league standard. His agent had previously sold him to another football league club (not naming names), who soon realised they'd been sold a dud. Their fans soon got wise to the situation.

I can't say for sure that he was responsible for the signing of this particular player, but it doesn't fill me with confidence that he jumps from Yeovil to us in a short space of time. Add to this the fact that our supporters have little confidence in him also, I am a bit disturbed, to say the least. Positive? We are still in the hunt, so get behind the team. UTA
I am extremely p!ssed off that a tin pot club like Bournemouth are level on points with us, having been a dozen or so behind us some weeks ago. Especially as we battered them at home, but with 1 point to show for it. Yet again Oscar bemoans the fact that we missed chances to score. Ok football is about luck sometimes and if the signings work, they work. Lingard and Rodriguez have looked lightweight and I am surprised that the former is held in high regard by Man Utd fans. Don't get me wrong but I have been supportive of Oscar in recent weeks, when the Sh!t has been hitting the fan. What I am not sure about now is Nathan Jones, having heard a lot from disgruntled fans. I can tell you from my own experience that I was unsure of his credentials when at Yeovil Town. I run a football club in the Sussex County League and through an acquaintance, lets just say, offered to sign a player on loan . He agreed to the deal and the club secretary did the rest. The deal in fact wasn't sanctioned by the FA, and we got fined a s a club. The player in question had been offered by his agent and had been bigged up, lets just say, so Yeovil signed him. The agent had done a good job, as he certainly wasn't even semi pro' class, let alone football league standard. His agent had previously sold him to another football league club (not naming names), who soon realised they'd been sold a dud. Their fans soon got wise to the situation. I can't say for sure that he was responsible for the signing of this particular player, but it doesn't fill me with confidence that he jumps from Yeovil to us in a short space of time. Add to this the fact that our supporters have little confidence in him also, I am a bit disturbed, to say the least. Positive? We are still in the hunt, so get behind the team. UTA albionfan64
  • Score: 12

7:36pm Sat 5 Apr 14

WisdomSpeaks says...

One other thing about harmony within a group. I have just seen the letter which Dick Knight sent to fans who were interested to buy his shares. I find it truly sad that there is so much bitterness between DK and the other Board Members. That has to be bad for the club. So sad that after him and Martin Perry were so close and it was that unity with everyone, fans, Board, community, etc which was responsible for us getting planning permission for our wonderful new stadium.

That's the kind of unity which we need to be successful and DK's letter shares a lot of hurt and bitter feelings. Some quality and skilled mediation would help.
One other thing about harmony within a group. I have just seen the letter which Dick Knight sent to fans who were interested to buy his shares. I find it truly sad that there is so much bitterness between DK and the other Board Members. That has to be bad for the club. So sad that after him and Martin Perry were so close and it was that unity with everyone, fans, Board, community, etc which was responsible for us getting planning permission for our wonderful new stadium. That's the kind of unity which we need to be successful and DK's letter shares a lot of hurt and bitter feelings. Some quality and skilled mediation would help. WisdomSpeaks
  • Score: 12

7:51pm Sat 5 Apr 14

Neville says...

We are probably going to end up 8th I fear and whilst OG has done ok,he has wasted numerous chances to change the formation and never plays the same team twice(injuries accepted).
As a season ticket holder the galling thing for me has been the inability to hit teams from the start at The Amex,especially weaker ones,we play this negative tip tap football in our own half,which is why the stats always show us having at least 65% possession, allowing the opposition to reform,which along with poor final balls in the the last third,is the reason we don't score.
We just don;t threaten from free kicks or corners with powder puff crossing(KLL apart).
As I keep reiterating possession is great when you are winning,not chasing the game from your own half. OG will improve no doubt but the totally inability to change one up front is unbelievable.
Regarding the signings,Lita,Obika and Agustien,someones head should roll for this DB.
We are probably going to end up 8th I fear and whilst OG has done ok,he has wasted numerous chances to change the formation and never plays the same team twice(injuries accepted). As a season ticket holder the galling thing for me has been the inability to hit teams from the start at The Amex,especially weaker ones,we play this negative tip tap football in our own half,which is why the stats always show us having at least 65% possession, allowing the opposition to reform,which along with poor final balls in the the last third,is the reason we don't score. We just don;t threaten from free kicks or corners with powder puff crossing(KLL apart). As I keep reiterating possession is great when you are winning,not chasing the game from your own half. OG will improve no doubt but the totally inability to change one up front is unbelievable. Regarding the signings,Lita,Obika and Agustien,someones head should roll for this DB. Neville
  • Score: 16

8:34pm Sat 5 Apr 14

oscar must go says...

Neville wrote:
We are probably going to end up 8th I fear and whilst OG has done ok,he has wasted numerous chances to change the formation and never plays the same team twice(injuries accepted).
As a season ticket holder the galling thing for me has been the inability to hit teams from the start at The Amex,especially weaker ones,we play this negative tip tap football in our own half,which is why the stats always show us having at least 65% possession, allowing the opposition to reform,which along with poor final balls in the the last third,is the reason we don't score.
We just don;t threaten from free kicks or corners with powder puff crossing(KLL apart).
As I keep reiterating possession is great when you are winning,not chasing the game from your own half. OG will improve no doubt but the totally inability to change one up front is unbelievable.
Regarding the signings,Lita,Obika and Agustien,someones head should roll for this DB.
Not just Burke, Neville. Day's job title is " Head of scouting and recruitment ".

Hardly covered himself with glory has he?

The whole lot need replacing sooner rather than later.

Never mind, cricket tomorrow if it doesn't rain!!!
[quote][p][bold]Neville[/bold] wrote: We are probably going to end up 8th I fear and whilst OG has done ok,he has wasted numerous chances to change the formation and never plays the same team twice(injuries accepted). As a season ticket holder the galling thing for me has been the inability to hit teams from the start at The Amex,especially weaker ones,we play this negative tip tap football in our own half,which is why the stats always show us having at least 65% possession, allowing the opposition to reform,which along with poor final balls in the the last third,is the reason we don't score. We just don;t threaten from free kicks or corners with powder puff crossing(KLL apart). As I keep reiterating possession is great when you are winning,not chasing the game from your own half. OG will improve no doubt but the totally inability to change one up front is unbelievable. Regarding the signings,Lita,Obika and Agustien,someones head should roll for this DB.[/p][/quote]Not just Burke, Neville. Day's job title is " Head of scouting and recruitment ". Hardly covered himself with glory has he? The whole lot need replacing sooner rather than later. Never mind, cricket tomorrow if it doesn't rain!!! oscar must go
  • Score: 3

8:40pm Sat 5 Apr 14

SecondReserve says...

Our last 5 matches have been against generally poor teams yet we’ve got a grand total of 2 points out of 15 and we’ve only even scored in one of those 5 matches.

If we were going to overtake 3 teams and get into the top 6 today really was a must win match. Garcia can say his team had chances to win but we were playing relegation certainties and they had to play the last quarter of an hour with 10 men yet not only could Garcia’s team not beat them but we managed just one shot on target in the match – and that was in the 82nd minute.

The majority of football fans are amazing blinkered but anyone who thinks we are going to get into the play-offs is living in cloud-cuckoo land. We haven’t got a cat in hell’s chance of getting into the top 6, no chance at all. We’ve got 2 points from our last 5 matches and we can’t score so how many points are we really going to get from our final 6 matches. Fewer than 10 I’ll wager and that will be nowhere near enough to make the top 6.

Only the bottom 6 teams have scored fewer goals than our 42 in 40 matches and every single one of the other top 18 teams have scored at least 7 more goals than us. Our present team is nowhere near good enough for the play-offs and the prospect of them getting into the Premiership doesn’t bear thinking about.

We could – arguably should – have got promoted last season and I believe that is as close as we’ll get to the Premiership for a long time. We’ve lost a lot of that squad – Bridcutt and Bridge (the two best players), Barnes and Hammond (both going to get promoted this season) plus El Abd, Dicker and Vicente.

We’ve brought in a raft of players, all of whom are less good than the players we’ve lost. Of the new players, only Ward could be said to have been a success but he’s no Bridge. But Stephens, Andrews, Agustien, Lita, Obika, Rodriguez, Lingard are just not good enough for a team trying to get promoted. Conway and Grabban might have improved the team but we didn’t actually sign either of them .Added to that quite a few of last season’s squad have suddenly looked past their sell-by date this season.

Given where we’ve been and all that has happened over the last 20 years being a mid-table Championship side is no mean feat and we’ve now got a super stadium. However the reality seems that we aren’t serious about getting promoted and the club appears to lack real ambition and to have settled for us being a decent Championship side getting good crowds.

Yes, we’ve had injuries and we can make all sorts of excuses but the basic fact is that we are a far less good team than we were at the end of last season and we may well only just about be in the top half of the table at the end of the season. In truth we’ve gone backwards as a team this season and we need an awful lot of new players if (and it is a big if) we are serious about trying to get promoted next season. Plus a management team who understand the basic concept that the idea of football is to score goals and that by scoring goals you win matches.
Our last 5 matches have been against generally poor teams yet we’ve got a grand total of 2 points out of 15 and we’ve only even scored in one of those 5 matches. If we were going to overtake 3 teams and get into the top 6 today really was a must win match. Garcia can say his team had chances to win but we were playing relegation certainties and they had to play the last quarter of an hour with 10 men yet not only could Garcia’s team not beat them but we managed just one shot on target in the match – and that was in the 82nd minute. The majority of football fans are amazing blinkered but anyone who thinks we are going to get into the play-offs is living in cloud-cuckoo land. We haven’t got a cat in hell’s chance of getting into the top 6, no chance at all. We’ve got 2 points from our last 5 matches and we can’t score so how many points are we really going to get from our final 6 matches. Fewer than 10 I’ll wager and that will be nowhere near enough to make the top 6. Only the bottom 6 teams have scored fewer goals than our 42 in 40 matches and every single one of the other top 18 teams have scored at least 7 more goals than us. Our present team is nowhere near good enough for the play-offs and the prospect of them getting into the Premiership doesn’t bear thinking about. We could – arguably should – have got promoted last season and I believe that is as close as we’ll get to the Premiership for a long time. We’ve lost a lot of that squad – Bridcutt and Bridge (the two best players), Barnes and Hammond (both going to get promoted this season) plus El Abd, Dicker and Vicente. We’ve brought in a raft of players, all of whom are less good than the players we’ve lost. Of the new players, only Ward could be said to have been a success but he’s no Bridge. But Stephens, Andrews, Agustien, Lita, Obika, Rodriguez, Lingard are just not good enough for a team trying to get promoted. Conway and Grabban might have improved the team but we didn’t actually sign either of them .Added to that quite a few of last season’s squad have suddenly looked past their sell-by date this season. Given where we’ve been and all that has happened over the last 20 years being a mid-table Championship side is no mean feat and we’ve now got a super stadium. However the reality seems that we aren’t serious about getting promoted and the club appears to lack real ambition and to have settled for us being a decent Championship side getting good crowds. Yes, we’ve had injuries and we can make all sorts of excuses but the basic fact is that we are a far less good team than we were at the end of last season and we may well only just about be in the top half of the table at the end of the season. In truth we’ve gone backwards as a team this season and we need an awful lot of new players if (and it is a big if) we are serious about trying to get promoted next season. Plus a management team who understand the basic concept that the idea of football is to score goals and that by scoring goals you win matches. SecondReserve
  • Score: 24

8:51pm Sat 5 Apr 14

oscar must go says...

Good summary. It won't change a jot all the time this gang of four are in charge.

Get rid of the lot of them NOW!!
Good summary. It won't change a jot all the time this gang of four are in charge. Get rid of the lot of them NOW!! oscar must go
  • Score: -5

9:03pm Sat 5 Apr 14

WisdomSpeaks says...

wiseman of hove wrote:
WisdomSpeaks wrote:
I think it's time to acknowledge what kind of first season Oscar Garcia has had and what kind of manager we have after a number of critical calls for his head.

The guys pedigree. Although new to English football he has played at the very highest level of world football under one of the games true greats, Johan Cruyff. Johan had seen and done it all and he recognized OG's talent by appointing him Barcelona Youth Team Manager. He wins trophies with them as soon as he is in charge.

Johan's son, Jordy, who played under the greatest British manager of our time, SAF at United, gets appointed as Head of Football at Macabbi Tel Aviv. He immediately appoints Oscar as Manager and Macabbi win the Israeli Premier League for the first time in over ten years in Oscar's first season.

We then appoint Oscar in horrible circumstances with all sorts of unrest as Poyet and all his staff are suspended and Poyet finally sacked for gross misconduct. Players are human beings. Some loved Poyet, some not so much but whatever it is not the ideal situation.

He has a Head of Football who has no great pedigree and certainly none to compare with Oscar himself. I get the feeling that his assistant, Nathan Jones, was probably 'suggested' to him as he spoke Spanish. Whatever, he also doesn't come near to Oscar's experience.

Success in football, as in everything, is about concordant chemistry and harmony within all areas and especially in football the Manager/ Head Coach must be seen by the players as THE man who makes all football decisions.

I think when you consider all of this and what happened in the transfer window Oscar has done an incredible job. I understand the media and some fans get frustrated as he is so un emotional in his interviews and he also insists on always focussing on the positive and the next game.

I would be seeing if Cruyff is available to come as Head of Football, if the club still believes we need one, and also get Oscar to choose his own assistant. Then I believe we would see a dramatic improvement in our club.

I watch the games using binoculars so I can see body language on the bench and I notice an absence of togetherness between Oscar and Nathan and I don't like hearing the coach do as much talking to the media as he does.

I'm convinced Oscar knows what he is doing and I don't feel that same confident about other areas.

I think it's interesting that Brendan Rodgers told John Henry he would not work with a Director of Football and we are seeing the results. If a massive club like Liverpool can run without one why can't we. Especially as we are supposed to be reducing costs.

To still be in with a real chance of the play offs is a great achievement from Oscar and think he can do great things for us when he takes more power,
I respect your opinion but to state "Oscar has done an incredible job" is an accolade I doubt even he would award himself!
The standard of football I have witnessed this season has been poor, bordering on boring. I do hope you are right in your assessment that we will see a dramatic improvement next season.
Please note that opinion was based on the situation re D of F and first team coach changing!
[quote][p][bold]wiseman of hove[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WisdomSpeaks[/bold] wrote: I think it's time to acknowledge what kind of first season Oscar Garcia has had and what kind of manager we have after a number of critical calls for his head. The guys pedigree. Although new to English football he has played at the very highest level of world football under one of the games true greats, Johan Cruyff. Johan had seen and done it all and he recognized OG's talent by appointing him Barcelona Youth Team Manager. He wins trophies with them as soon as he is in charge. Johan's son, Jordy, who played under the greatest British manager of our time, SAF at United, gets appointed as Head of Football at Macabbi Tel Aviv. He immediately appoints Oscar as Manager and Macabbi win the Israeli Premier League for the first time in over ten years in Oscar's first season. We then appoint Oscar in horrible circumstances with all sorts of unrest as Poyet and all his staff are suspended and Poyet finally sacked for gross misconduct. Players are human beings. Some loved Poyet, some not so much but whatever it is not the ideal situation. He has a Head of Football who has no great pedigree and certainly none to compare with Oscar himself. I get the feeling that his assistant, Nathan Jones, was probably 'suggested' to him as he spoke Spanish. Whatever, he also doesn't come near to Oscar's experience. Success in football, as in everything, is about concordant chemistry and harmony within all areas and especially in football the Manager/ Head Coach must be seen by the players as THE man who makes all football decisions. I think when you consider all of this and what happened in the transfer window Oscar has done an incredible job. I understand the media and some fans get frustrated as he is so un emotional in his interviews and he also insists on always focussing on the positive and the next game. I would be seeing if Cruyff is available to come as Head of Football, if the club still believes we need one, and also get Oscar to choose his own assistant. Then I believe we would see a dramatic improvement in our club. I watch the games using binoculars so I can see body language on the bench and I notice an absence of togetherness between Oscar and Nathan and I don't like hearing the coach do as much talking to the media as he does. I'm convinced Oscar knows what he is doing and I don't feel that same confident about other areas. I think it's interesting that Brendan Rodgers told John Henry he would not work with a Director of Football and we are seeing the results. If a massive club like Liverpool can run without one why can't we. Especially as we are supposed to be reducing costs. To still be in with a real chance of the play offs is a great achievement from Oscar and think he can do great things for us when he takes more power,[/p][/quote]I respect your opinion but to state "Oscar has done an incredible job" is an accolade I doubt even he would award himself! The standard of football I have witnessed this season has been poor, bordering on boring. I do hope you are right in your assessment that we will see a dramatic improvement next season.[/p][/quote]Please note that opinion was based on the situation re D of F and first team coach changing! WisdomSpeaks
  • Score: -1

9:05pm Sat 5 Apr 14

Phillip Smith says...

If we are serious about getting to the Prem we need another investment splurge like we had a couple of years back when we spent approx £5million on the squad. In my opinion we need to spend that again if we are serious about getting to the Prem. Trouble is now we have got FFP to consider so its going to be very difficult. Should have given Poyet the funds when he wanted them. Look at how much Ross McCormack is worth now! Or that Dutch centre back now being touted at approx £12 million quid. Investment pays for itself. You only have to look at Leicester to see that. They splashed the cash a few years ago and now its paying dividends.
If we are serious about getting to the Prem we need another investment splurge like we had a couple of years back when we spent approx £5million on the squad. In my opinion we need to spend that again if we are serious about getting to the Prem. Trouble is now we have got FFP to consider so its going to be very difficult. Should have given Poyet the funds when he wanted them. Look at how much Ross McCormack is worth now! Or that Dutch centre back now being touted at approx £12 million quid. Investment pays for itself. You only have to look at Leicester to see that. They splashed the cash a few years ago and now its paying dividends. Phillip Smith
  • Score: 5

9:06pm Sat 5 Apr 14

BHA4ever says...

Oscar, I am embarrassed on your behalf. You are in such denial - your negative tactics are killing us. And when you are back in Spain we will be left with a demoralised support and a club that has gone bavkwards. If you disagree than please tell us what we are all missing because it is driving us crazy. Either tell us why you continue to make us so boring and deliver acteM constantly under performing or please please please please just go and take that pathetic side kick with you.
Oscar, I am embarrassed on your behalf. You are in such denial - your negative tactics are killing us. And when you are back in Spain we will be left with a demoralised support and a club that has gone bavkwards. If you disagree than please tell us what we are all missing because it is driving us crazy. Either tell us why you continue to make us so boring and deliver acteM constantly under performing or please please please please just go and take that pathetic side kick with you. BHA4ever
  • Score: -1

9:11pm Sat 5 Apr 14

Towner83 says...

WisdomSpeaks wrote:
I think it's time to acknowledge what kind of first season Oscar Garcia has had and what kind of manager we have after a number of critical calls for his head.

The guys pedigree. Although new to English football he has played at the very highest level of world football under one of the games true greats, Johan Cruyff. Johan had seen and done it all and he recognized OG's talent by appointing him Barcelona Youth Team Manager. He wins trophies with them as soon as he is in charge.

Johan's son, Jordy, who played under the greatest British manager of our time, SAF at United, gets appointed as Head of Football at Macabbi Tel Aviv. He immediately appoints Oscar as Manager and Macabbi win the Israeli Premier League for the first time in over ten years in Oscar's first season.

We then appoint Oscar in horrible circumstances with all sorts of unrest as Poyet and all his staff are suspended and Poyet finally sacked for gross misconduct. Players are human beings. Some loved Poyet, some not so much but whatever it is not the ideal situation.

He has a Head of Football who has no great pedigree and certainly none to compare with Oscar himself. I get the feeling that his assistant, Nathan Jones, was probably 'suggested' to him as he spoke Spanish. Whatever, he also doesn't come near to Oscar's experience.

Success in football, as in everything, is about concordant chemistry and harmony within all areas and especially in football the Manager/ Head Coach must be seen by the players as THE man who makes all football decisions.

I think when you consider all of this and what happened in the transfer window Oscar has done an incredible job. I understand the media and some fans get frustrated as he is so un emotional in his interviews and he also insists on always focussing on the positive and the next game.

I would be seeing if Cruyff is available to come as Head of Football, if the club still believes we need one, and also get Oscar to choose his own assistant. Then I believe we would see a dramatic improvement in our club.

I watch the games using binoculars so I can see body language on the bench and I notice an absence of togetherness between Oscar and Nathan and I don't like hearing the coach do as much talking to the media as he does.

I'm convinced Oscar knows what he is doing and I don't feel that same confident about other areas.

I think it's interesting that Brendan Rodgers told John Henry he would not work with a Director of Football and we are seeing the results. If a massive club like Liverpool can run without one why can't we. Especially as we are supposed to be reducing costs.

To still be in with a real chance of the play offs is a great achievement from Oscar and think he can do great things for us when he takes more power,
Finally someone talking some sense! Wisdomspeaks take a bow
[quote][p][bold]WisdomSpeaks[/bold] wrote: I think it's time to acknowledge what kind of first season Oscar Garcia has had and what kind of manager we have after a number of critical calls for his head. The guys pedigree. Although new to English football he has played at the very highest level of world football under one of the games true greats, Johan Cruyff. Johan had seen and done it all and he recognized OG's talent by appointing him Barcelona Youth Team Manager. He wins trophies with them as soon as he is in charge. Johan's son, Jordy, who played under the greatest British manager of our time, SAF at United, gets appointed as Head of Football at Macabbi Tel Aviv. He immediately appoints Oscar as Manager and Macabbi win the Israeli Premier League for the first time in over ten years in Oscar's first season. We then appoint Oscar in horrible circumstances with all sorts of unrest as Poyet and all his staff are suspended and Poyet finally sacked for gross misconduct. Players are human beings. Some loved Poyet, some not so much but whatever it is not the ideal situation. He has a Head of Football who has no great pedigree and certainly none to compare with Oscar himself. I get the feeling that his assistant, Nathan Jones, was probably 'suggested' to him as he spoke Spanish. Whatever, he also doesn't come near to Oscar's experience. Success in football, as in everything, is about concordant chemistry and harmony within all areas and especially in football the Manager/ Head Coach must be seen by the players as THE man who makes all football decisions. I think when you consider all of this and what happened in the transfer window Oscar has done an incredible job. I understand the media and some fans get frustrated as he is so un emotional in his interviews and he also insists on always focussing on the positive and the next game. I would be seeing if Cruyff is available to come as Head of Football, if the club still believes we need one, and also get Oscar to choose his own assistant. Then I believe we would see a dramatic improvement in our club. I watch the games using binoculars so I can see body language on the bench and I notice an absence of togetherness between Oscar and Nathan and I don't like hearing the coach do as much talking to the media as he does. I'm convinced Oscar knows what he is doing and I don't feel that same confident about other areas. I think it's interesting that Brendan Rodgers told John Henry he would not work with a Director of Football and we are seeing the results. If a massive club like Liverpool can run without one why can't we. Especially as we are supposed to be reducing costs. To still be in with a real chance of the play offs is a great achievement from Oscar and think he can do great things for us when he takes more power,[/p][/quote]Finally someone talking some sense! Wisdomspeaks take a bow Towner83
  • Score: 3

9:12pm Sat 5 Apr 14

Chi Gull says...

No surprise to see all the negativity here after another goalless draw. I blow hot and cold with Oscar. I think he had done OK given the difficult start to the season, but it has been generally disappointing since we lost the cup game to Hull. I think MBTS has quite few things right in his post. It hasn't felt that the recruitment of new players has gone well or successfully since the latter part of Gus's time. You could see he was frustrated in the latter part of the season and i think some of that was around the lack of forward planning on players contracts. I agree the sale of Barnes and failure to get a quality replacement in was very poor.

Equally some of the posters on here think they know how to pick the team and use the squad better than OG - well that's nonsense. The team he picked for Blackburn was derided as being too cautious and we scored 3. Today he picked an attacking line up and we didn't score and only got one attempt on target. Its about getting the right balance and moving the ball quickly - it's not about playing two strikers up front. In the games I have watched we have often started too slowly and not been good at making the killer passes in the final third. But I wouldn't want to change from the style of play Gus started.

It's also easy to be critical of the youth and scouting set ups etc, but we have to remember we started from a very low base. You can't suddenly start all these things and get it right first time. Southampton have been doing it for years. We do need to learn quickly, and it is clear some things are not yet right. In spite of all that I am still enjoying my football at the Amex and like a true fan I would still be there even if I wasn't !
No surprise to see all the negativity here after another goalless draw. I blow hot and cold with Oscar. I think he had done OK given the difficult start to the season, but it has been generally disappointing since we lost the cup game to Hull. I think MBTS has quite few things right in his post. It hasn't felt that the recruitment of new players has gone well or successfully since the latter part of Gus's time. You could see he was frustrated in the latter part of the season and i think some of that was around the lack of forward planning on players contracts. I agree the sale of Barnes and failure to get a quality replacement in was very poor. Equally some of the posters on here think they know how to pick the team and use the squad better than OG - well that's nonsense. The team he picked for Blackburn was derided as being too cautious and we scored 3. Today he picked an attacking line up and we didn't score and only got one attempt on target. Its about getting the right balance and moving the ball quickly - it's not about playing two strikers up front. In the games I have watched we have often started too slowly and not been good at making the killer passes in the final third. But I wouldn't want to change from the style of play Gus started. It's also easy to be critical of the youth and scouting set ups etc, but we have to remember we started from a very low base. You can't suddenly start all these things and get it right first time. Southampton have been doing it for years. We do need to learn quickly, and it is clear some things are not yet right. In spite of all that I am still enjoying my football at the Amex and like a true fan I would still be there even if I wasn't ! Chi Gull
  • Score: 5

9:26pm Sat 5 Apr 14

OzzieGull says...

Two decent signings for next season could both come from promoted Leicester - Dean Hammond and Chris Wood. They both know their way here and may not be up to Premiership standard. Add on Federci to take the place of TK and a manager (sorry, Head Coach) who employs attacking football to take the place of OG, and PLEASE anyone - just anyone - to take the place of Smiley (aka Nathan Jones)
Two decent signings for next season could both come from promoted Leicester - Dean Hammond and Chris Wood. They both know their way here and may not be up to Premiership standard. Add on Federci to take the place of TK and a manager (sorry, Head Coach) who employs attacking football to take the place of OG, and PLEASE anyone - just anyone - to take the place of Smiley (aka Nathan Jones) OzzieGull
  • Score: 7

9:26pm Sat 5 Apr 14

Towner83 says...

I can't believe what I'm reading from some of you! Oscar is class and has had to deal with having no pre-season and relying on David Burke picking out mediocre players. Let's not forget that we signed Rohan Ince, arguably one of our players of the season, last season in February as a centre back and it wasn't until Oscar came in and straight away turned him into a holding midfielder. To notice that and implement the change in approximately 40 days and for it to be a success, takes some doing. Not to mention he's got a worse squad than poyet and has had horrendous injuries to deal with all season. We should be honoured to have a man of his calibre in charge of our club but most of our " supporters " think we have this Devine right to fly through the championship straight up into the prem. wake up and smell the sea air people! Keep going oscar and forget the doubters! UTA
I can't believe what I'm reading from some of you! Oscar is class and has had to deal with having no pre-season and relying on David Burke picking out mediocre players. Let's not forget that we signed Rohan Ince, arguably one of our players of the season, last season in February as a centre back and it wasn't until Oscar came in and straight away turned him into a holding midfielder. To notice that and implement the change in approximately 40 days and for it to be a success, takes some doing. Not to mention he's got a worse squad than poyet and has had horrendous injuries to deal with all season. We should be honoured to have a man of his calibre in charge of our club but most of our " supporters " think we have this Devine right to fly through the championship straight up into the prem. wake up and smell the sea air people! Keep going oscar and forget the doubters! UTA Towner83
  • Score: 7

9:30pm Sat 5 Apr 14

wiseman of hove says...

WisdomSpeaks wrote:
wiseman of hove wrote:
WisdomSpeaks wrote:
I think it's time to acknowledge what kind of first season Oscar Garcia has had and what kind of manager we have after a number of critical calls for his head.

The guys pedigree. Although new to English football he has played at the very highest level of world football under one of the games true greats, Johan Cruyff. Johan had seen and done it all and he recognized OG's talent by appointing him Barcelona Youth Team Manager. He wins trophies with them as soon as he is in charge.

Johan's son, Jordy, who played under the greatest British manager of our time, SAF at United, gets appointed as Head of Football at Macabbi Tel Aviv. He immediately appoints Oscar as Manager and Macabbi win the Israeli Premier League for the first time in over ten years in Oscar's first season.

We then appoint Oscar in horrible circumstances with all sorts of unrest as Poyet and all his staff are suspended and Poyet finally sacked for gross misconduct. Players are human beings. Some loved Poyet, some not so much but whatever it is not the ideal situation.

He has a Head of Football who has no great pedigree and certainly none to compare with Oscar himself. I get the feeling that his assistant, Nathan Jones, was probably 'suggested' to him as he spoke Spanish. Whatever, he also doesn't come near to Oscar's experience.

Success in football, as in everything, is about concordant chemistry and harmony within all areas and especially in football the Manager/ Head Coach must be seen by the players as THE man who makes all football decisions.

I think when you consider all of this and what happened in the transfer window Oscar has done an incredible job. I understand the media and some fans get frustrated as he is so un emotional in his interviews and he also insists on always focussing on the positive and the next game.

I would be seeing if Cruyff is available to come as Head of Football, if the club still believes we need one, and also get Oscar to choose his own assistant. Then I believe we would see a dramatic improvement in our club.

I watch the games using binoculars so I can see body language on the bench and I notice an absence of togetherness between Oscar and Nathan and I don't like hearing the coach do as much talking to the media as he does.

I'm convinced Oscar knows what he is doing and I don't feel that same confident about other areas.

I think it's interesting that Brendan Rodgers told John Henry he would not work with a Director of Football and we are seeing the results. If a massive club like Liverpool can run without one why can't we. Especially as we are supposed to be reducing costs.

To still be in with a real chance of the play offs is a great achievement from Oscar and think he can do great things for us when he takes more power,
I respect your opinion but to state "Oscar has done an incredible job" is an accolade I doubt even he would award himself!
The standard of football I have witnessed this season has been poor, bordering on boring. I do hope you are right in your assessment that we will see a dramatic improvement next season.
Please note that opinion was based on the situation re D of F and first team coach changing!
Fair comment, Wisdom. I doubt we will see both those changes. However, I would imagine the fiasco of the Augustein signing and the Lita and Obika wasted loan acquisitions must have caused some dismay behind the scenes.
[quote][p][bold]WisdomSpeaks[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wiseman of hove[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WisdomSpeaks[/bold] wrote: I think it's time to acknowledge what kind of first season Oscar Garcia has had and what kind of manager we have after a number of critical calls for his head. The guys pedigree. Although new to English football he has played at the very highest level of world football under one of the games true greats, Johan Cruyff. Johan had seen and done it all and he recognized OG's talent by appointing him Barcelona Youth Team Manager. He wins trophies with them as soon as he is in charge. Johan's son, Jordy, who played under the greatest British manager of our time, SAF at United, gets appointed as Head of Football at Macabbi Tel Aviv. He immediately appoints Oscar as Manager and Macabbi win the Israeli Premier League for the first time in over ten years in Oscar's first season. We then appoint Oscar in horrible circumstances with all sorts of unrest as Poyet and all his staff are suspended and Poyet finally sacked for gross misconduct. Players are human beings. Some loved Poyet, some not so much but whatever it is not the ideal situation. He has a Head of Football who has no great pedigree and certainly none to compare with Oscar himself. I get the feeling that his assistant, Nathan Jones, was probably 'suggested' to him as he spoke Spanish. Whatever, he also doesn't come near to Oscar's experience. Success in football, as in everything, is about concordant chemistry and harmony within all areas and especially in football the Manager/ Head Coach must be seen by the players as THE man who makes all football decisions. I think when you consider all of this and what happened in the transfer window Oscar has done an incredible job. I understand the media and some fans get frustrated as he is so un emotional in his interviews and he also insists on always focussing on the positive and the next game. I would be seeing if Cruyff is available to come as Head of Football, if the club still believes we need one, and also get Oscar to choose his own assistant. Then I believe we would see a dramatic improvement in our club. I watch the games using binoculars so I can see body language on the bench and I notice an absence of togetherness between Oscar and Nathan and I don't like hearing the coach do as much talking to the media as he does. I'm convinced Oscar knows what he is doing and I don't feel that same confident about other areas. I think it's interesting that Brendan Rodgers told John Henry he would not work with a Director of Football and we are seeing the results. If a massive club like Liverpool can run without one why can't we. Especially as we are supposed to be reducing costs. To still be in with a real chance of the play offs is a great achievement from Oscar and think he can do great things for us when he takes more power,[/p][/quote]I respect your opinion but to state "Oscar has done an incredible job" is an accolade I doubt even he would award himself! The standard of football I have witnessed this season has been poor, bordering on boring. I do hope you are right in your assessment that we will see a dramatic improvement next season.[/p][/quote]Please note that opinion was based on the situation re D of F and first team coach changing![/p][/quote]Fair comment, Wisdom. I doubt we will see both those changes. However, I would imagine the fiasco of the Augustein signing and the Lita and Obika wasted loan acquisitions must have caused some dismay behind the scenes. wiseman of hove
  • Score: 3

9:37pm Sat 5 Apr 14

bruce beckett says...

Good post Chi Gull. I feel the same as you do about OG. Has he done a good job keeping us in the playoff picture or has that simply been down to the failings of other teams?

Are we recruiting the right players? It seems that the two we missed out on, Grabban and Conway, would have been considerably better than the two we signed – Rodriguez and Stephens.

I don't know what the chemistry is like between Barber, Burke and OG but I do know that too many cooks spoil the broth and if you truly want a manager/coach to be successful, he has to pick his own players to suit his particular style of play.

The thing that disappoints me most if that I feel that we are further away now from having a squad capable of taking us into the Premier League than we've ever been during our time in the Championship.

If TK leaves and Ward returns to Wolves, we're going to need to sign five or six "quality" players in the summer. And, of course, quality players cost money.
Good post Chi Gull. I feel the same as you do about OG. Has he done a good job keeping us in the playoff picture or has that simply been down to the failings of other teams? Are we recruiting the right players? It seems that the two we missed out on, Grabban and Conway, would have been considerably better than the two we signed – Rodriguez and Stephens. I don't know what the chemistry is like between Barber, Burke and OG but I do know that too many cooks spoil the broth and if you truly want a manager/coach to be successful, he has to pick his own players to suit his particular style of play. The thing that disappoints me most if that I feel that we are further away now from having a squad capable of taking us into the Premier League than we've ever been during our time in the Championship. If TK leaves and Ward returns to Wolves, we're going to need to sign five or six "quality" players in the summer. And, of course, quality players cost money. bruce beckett
  • Score: 2

9:42pm Sat 5 Apr 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

To everyone who is saying "why can't we beat a poor side at the bottom of the table" you're not giving enough credit to Barnsley's recent form. Their last two games prior to today's stalemate were a 4-1 at a Yeovil side who had very nearly won at Leicester, and a 3-1 win a play-off positioned Reading.

Like every other side near the bottom Barnsley are no mugs. Early season form has no bearing on recent form and the home side were the form side going into today's match. Given the Tykes's form I would have taken a point before kick-off.
To everyone who is saying "why can't we beat a poor side at the bottom of the table" you're not giving enough credit to Barnsley's recent form. Their last two games prior to today's stalemate were a 4-1 at a Yeovil side who had very nearly won at Leicester, and a 3-1 win a play-off positioned Reading. Like every other side near the bottom Barnsley are no mugs. Early season form has no bearing on recent form and the home side were the form side going into today's match. Given the Tykes's form I would have taken a point before kick-off. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 10

9:52pm Sat 5 Apr 14

Towner83 says...

BHA4ever wrote:
Oscar, I am embarrassed on your behalf. You are in such denial - your negative tactics are killing us. And when you are back in Spain we will be left with a demoralised support and a club that has gone bavkwards. If you disagree than please tell us what we are all missing because it is driving us crazy. Either tell us why you continue to make us so boring and deliver acteM constantly under performing or please please please please just go and take that pathetic side kick with you.
Obviously never went to priestfield.........
.....
[quote][p][bold]BHA4ever[/bold] wrote: Oscar, I am embarrassed on your behalf. You are in such denial - your negative tactics are killing us. And when you are back in Spain we will be left with a demoralised support and a club that has gone bavkwards. If you disagree than please tell us what we are all missing because it is driving us crazy. Either tell us why you continue to make us so boring and deliver acteM constantly under performing or please please please please just go and take that pathetic side kick with you.[/p][/quote]Obviously never went to priestfield......... ..... Towner83
  • Score: 1

9:53pm Sat 5 Apr 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

I was going to comment on MBTS's post and its numerous factual errors (one fit striker for first 10 games - really? look at the lineups) and opinions offered as facts ("Jones out of his depth" - proof?) but frankly life is too short.

Same old whining without evidence to back it up. Mark is by no means the only one though. I honestly thought the comments on here would be more positive, after getting an away point at a team who had comfortably won their last two games, and both away from home, but no, we're still apparently the worst and most boring team in the league.

Come on Vegas and OldGull, where are your positive comments? It's lonely being just about the only glass half full guy on here.
I was going to comment on MBTS's post and its numerous factual errors (one fit striker for first 10 games - really? look at the lineups) and opinions offered as facts ("Jones out of his depth" - proof?) but frankly life is too short. Same old whining without evidence to back it up. Mark is by no means the only one though. I honestly thought the comments on here would be more positive, after getting an away point at a team who had comfortably won their last two games, and both away from home, but no, we're still apparently the worst and most boring team in the league. Come on Vegas and OldGull, where are your positive comments? It's lonely being just about the only glass half full guy on here. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: -1

9:59pm Sat 5 Apr 14

WisdomSpeaks says...

wiseman of hove wrote:
WisdomSpeaks wrote:
wiseman of hove wrote:
WisdomSpeaks wrote:
I think it's time to acknowledge what kind of first season Oscar Garcia has had and what kind of manager we have after a number of critical calls for his head.

The guys pedigree. Although new to English football he has played at the very highest level of world football under one of the games true greats, Johan Cruyff. Johan had seen and done it all and he recognized OG's talent by appointing him Barcelona Youth Team Manager. He wins trophies with them as soon as he is in charge.

Johan's son, Jordy, who played under the greatest British manager of our time, SAF at United, gets appointed as Head of Football at Macabbi Tel Aviv. He immediately appoints Oscar as Manager and Macabbi win the Israeli Premier League for the first time in over ten years in Oscar's first season.

We then appoint Oscar in horrible circumstances with all sorts of unrest as Poyet and all his staff are suspended and Poyet finally sacked for gross misconduct. Players are human beings. Some loved Poyet, some not so much but whatever it is not the ideal situation.

He has a Head of Football who has no great pedigree and certainly none to compare with Oscar himself. I get the feeling that his assistant, Nathan Jones, was probably 'suggested' to him as he spoke Spanish. Whatever, he also doesn't come near to Oscar's experience.

Success in football, as in everything, is about concordant chemistry and harmony within all areas and especially in football the Manager/ Head Coach must be seen by the players as THE man who makes all football decisions.

I think when you consider all of this and what happened in the transfer window Oscar has done an incredible job. I understand the media and some fans get frustrated as he is so un emotional in his interviews and he also insists on always focussing on the positive and the next game.

I would be seeing if Cruyff is available to come as Head of Football, if the club still believes we need one, and also get Oscar to choose his own assistant. Then I believe we would see a dramatic improvement in our club.

I watch the games using binoculars so I can see body language on the bench and I notice an absence of togetherness between Oscar and Nathan and I don't like hearing the coach do as much talking to the media as he does.

I'm convinced Oscar knows what he is doing and I don't feel that same confident about other areas.

I think it's interesting that Brendan Rodgers told John Henry he would not work with a Director of Football and we are seeing the results. If a massive club like Liverpool can run without one why can't we. Especially as we are supposed to be reducing costs.

To still be in with a real chance of the play offs is a great achievement from Oscar and think he can do great things for us when he takes more power,
I respect your opinion but to state "Oscar has done an incredible job" is an accolade I doubt even he would award himself!
The standard of football I have witnessed this season has been poor, bordering on boring. I do hope you are right in your assessment that we will see a dramatic improvement next season.
Please note that opinion was based on the situation re D of F and first team coach changing!
Fair comment, Wisdom. I doubt we will see both those changes. However, I would imagine the fiasco of the Augustein signing and the Lita and Obika wasted loan acquisitions must have caused some dismay behind the scenes.
You would think so WM and I hope our Tone is keeping his hand on the controls and not being too distant when in Australia. I know if it were my club I'd be looking seriously at those parts of the club and also why we are paying a fortune for a high flying medical team when we've never had so many injuries in my time of supporting (60 years). There is great wisdom in the Chinese methods of paying doctors - the fewer patient time they have - the more they get paid. If this lot worked on that basis they'd get nothing!!!
[quote][p][bold]wiseman of hove[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WisdomSpeaks[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wiseman of hove[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WisdomSpeaks[/bold] wrote: I think it's time to acknowledge what kind of first season Oscar Garcia has had and what kind of manager we have after a number of critical calls for his head. The guys pedigree. Although new to English football he has played at the very highest level of world football under one of the games true greats, Johan Cruyff. Johan had seen and done it all and he recognized OG's talent by appointing him Barcelona Youth Team Manager. He wins trophies with them as soon as he is in charge. Johan's son, Jordy, who played under the greatest British manager of our time, SAF at United, gets appointed as Head of Football at Macabbi Tel Aviv. He immediately appoints Oscar as Manager and Macabbi win the Israeli Premier League for the first time in over ten years in Oscar's first season. We then appoint Oscar in horrible circumstances with all sorts of unrest as Poyet and all his staff are suspended and Poyet finally sacked for gross misconduct. Players are human beings. Some loved Poyet, some not so much but whatever it is not the ideal situation. He has a Head of Football who has no great pedigree and certainly none to compare with Oscar himself. I get the feeling that his assistant, Nathan Jones, was probably 'suggested' to him as he spoke Spanish. Whatever, he also doesn't come near to Oscar's experience. Success in football, as in everything, is about concordant chemistry and harmony within all areas and especially in football the Manager/ Head Coach must be seen by the players as THE man who makes all football decisions. I think when you consider all of this and what happened in the transfer window Oscar has done an incredible job. I understand the media and some fans get frustrated as he is so un emotional in his interviews and he also insists on always focussing on the positive and the next game. I would be seeing if Cruyff is available to come as Head of Football, if the club still believes we need one, and also get Oscar to choose his own assistant. Then I believe we would see a dramatic improvement in our club. I watch the games using binoculars so I can see body language on the bench and I notice an absence of togetherness between Oscar and Nathan and I don't like hearing the coach do as much talking to the media as he does. I'm convinced Oscar knows what he is doing and I don't feel that same confident about other areas. I think it's interesting that Brendan Rodgers told John Henry he would not work with a Director of Football and we are seeing the results. If a massive club like Liverpool can run without one why can't we. Especially as we are supposed to be reducing costs. To still be in with a real chance of the play offs is a great achievement from Oscar and think he can do great things for us when he takes more power,[/p][/quote]I respect your opinion but to state "Oscar has done an incredible job" is an accolade I doubt even he would award himself! The standard of football I have witnessed this season has been poor, bordering on boring. I do hope you are right in your assessment that we will see a dramatic improvement next season.[/p][/quote]Please note that opinion was based on the situation re D of F and first team coach changing![/p][/quote]Fair comment, Wisdom. I doubt we will see both those changes. However, I would imagine the fiasco of the Augustein signing and the Lita and Obika wasted loan acquisitions must have caused some dismay behind the scenes.[/p][/quote]You would think so WM and I hope our Tone is keeping his hand on the controls and not being too distant when in Australia. I know if it were my club I'd be looking seriously at those parts of the club and also why we are paying a fortune for a high flying medical team when we've never had so many injuries in my time of supporting (60 years). There is great wisdom in the Chinese methods of paying doctors - the fewer patient time they have - the more they get paid. If this lot worked on that basis they'd get nothing!!! WisdomSpeaks
  • Score: 4

10:14pm Sat 5 Apr 14

SecondReserve says...

Ex-pat Arnie, I have supported the Albion, through good and (lots of) bad times, for many years and have spent an awful lot of time and money following them home and away but really there is not much to be positive about at the moment.

One shot on target against relegation certainties (who only had 10 men for the last 15 minutes).
Only 2 points from the last 5 matches, against mainly poor teams.
No goals in 4 of those matches.
Only 42 goals in 40 matches this season.
Many of our best players from last season no longer here.
Several of last seasons team past their sell-by date.
A whole raft of not good enough players brought in (I don't care who was responsible for bringing them in but they are not good enough).

We have had problems of various types since Poyet left but the facts are that the current team is not as good as last season's team and we are playing extremely boring negative football, even at home. The selling of our best players and replacing them with lesser players smacks of a lack of real ambition and an acceptance of being a mid-table Championship side.
Ex-pat Arnie, I have supported the Albion, through good and (lots of) bad times, for many years and have spent an awful lot of time and money following them home and away but really there is not much to be positive about at the moment. One shot on target against relegation certainties (who only had 10 men for the last 15 minutes). Only 2 points from the last 5 matches, against mainly poor teams. No goals in 4 of those matches. Only 42 goals in 40 matches this season. Many of our best players from last season no longer here. Several of last seasons team past their sell-by date. A whole raft of not good enough players brought in (I don't care who was responsible for bringing them in but they are not good enough). We have had problems of various types since Poyet left but the facts are that the current team is not as good as last season's team and we are playing extremely boring negative football, even at home. The selling of our best players and replacing them with lesser players smacks of a lack of real ambition and an acceptance of being a mid-table Championship side. SecondReserve
  • Score: 9

10:28pm Sat 5 Apr 14

mark by the sea says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
I was going to comment on MBTS's post and its numerous factual errors (one fit striker for first 10 games - really? look at the lineups) and opinions offered as facts ("Jones out of his depth" - proof?) but frankly life is too short.

Same old whining without evidence to back it up. Mark is by no means the only one though. I honestly thought the comments on here would be more positive, after getting an away point at a team who had comfortably won their last two games, and both away from home, but no, we're still apparently the worst and most boring team in the league.

Come on Vegas and OldGull, where are your positive comments? It's lonely being just about the only glass half full guy on here.
Do you refer to Barnes hip injury August? Followed by ulloa three match ban, two games later out for two months, now Arnie who was the back up striker then? TELL US ALL!
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: I was going to comment on MBTS's post and its numerous factual errors (one fit striker for first 10 games - really? look at the lineups) and opinions offered as facts ("Jones out of his depth" - proof?) but frankly life is too short. Same old whining without evidence to back it up. Mark is by no means the only one though. I honestly thought the comments on here would be more positive, after getting an away point at a team who had comfortably won their last two games, and both away from home, but no, we're still apparently the worst and most boring team in the league. Come on Vegas and OldGull, where are your positive comments? It's lonely being just about the only glass half full guy on here.[/p][/quote]Do you refer to Barnes hip injury August? Followed by ulloa three match ban, two games later out for two months, now Arnie who was the back up striker then? TELL US ALL! mark by the sea
  • Score: -4

10:29pm Sat 5 Apr 14

gordongull says...

We ended Barnsley's impressive run in its tracks, but that is little consolation when considering the importance attached to the game. As we have seen over the course of the season, anything is possible in this League, so I wouldn't write off our chances just yet.
As sevenD points out, it is all about money, and to comply with FFP, the squad has taken a hit in terms of quality.
I find it significant that Massimo Cellino's disqualification from owning Leeds Utd has been overturned by an independent QC.
It is a reminder that football does not exist in a vacuum.
Although FFP is a completely different matter, clubs which face financial penalties will feel encouraged to challenge the football authorities over their legality.
If, for example, you were hit with a £20m fine, you would not take it lying down, knowing how easily the Football League's "owners and directors test" has been circumvented by Cellino.
We ended Barnsley's impressive run in its tracks, but that is little consolation when considering the importance attached to the game. As we have seen over the course of the season, anything is possible in this League, so I wouldn't write off our chances just yet. As sevenD points out, it is all about money, and to comply with FFP, the squad has taken a hit in terms of quality. I find it significant that Massimo Cellino's disqualification from owning Leeds Utd has been overturned by an independent QC. It is a reminder that football does not exist in a vacuum. Although FFP is a completely different matter, clubs which face financial penalties will feel encouraged to challenge the football authorities over their legality. If, for example, you were hit with a £20m fine, you would not take it lying down, knowing how easily the Football League's "owners and directors test" has been circumvented by Cellino. gordongull
  • Score: 2

10:33pm Sat 5 Apr 14

mark by the sea says...

So Arnie , Barnes out for 4 games, ulloa 3 followed by 7 who was the back up strikers then?
So Arnie , Barnes out for 4 games, ulloa 3 followed by 7 who was the back up strikers then? mark by the sea
  • Score: -2

10:35pm Sat 5 Apr 14

mark by the sea says...

Come on Arnie back up your words ... Who was the back up striker?
Come on Arnie back up your words ... Who was the back up striker? mark by the sea
  • Score: -2

10:58pm Sat 5 Apr 14

JeffLomer says...

I went today at Barnsley I've never seen such negative football played by Brighton as I saw today, I'm not usually negative but my god that was shocking, I usually stick up for the lads but I can't after that, greer to slow stupid mistakes gave ball to them, Leo first touch shocking second touch shocking spends more time on his backside, anyone want yo disagree with me then you do that I was there and I'm telling the truth, fans turned on Jones after final whistle, stood for ages and applauded us fans for watching that rubbish, Norwich refunded there fans last week can I have my money back, frustrated!!!!!!
I went today at Barnsley I've never seen such negative football played by Brighton as I saw today, I'm not usually negative but my god that was shocking, I usually stick up for the lads but I can't after that, greer to slow stupid mistakes gave ball to them, Leo first touch shocking second touch shocking spends more time on his backside, anyone want yo disagree with me then you do that I was there and I'm telling the truth, fans turned on Jones after final whistle, stood for ages and applauded us fans for watching that rubbish, Norwich refunded there fans last week can I have my money back, frustrated!!!!!! JeffLomer
  • Score: 6

11:18pm Sat 5 Apr 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

mark by the sea wrote:
So Arnie , Barnes out for 4 games, ulloa 3 followed by 7 who was the back up strikers then?
Barnes started the first two games of the season and was sub in the third.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: So Arnie , Barnes out for 4 games, ulloa 3 followed by 7 who was the back up strikers then?[/p][/quote]Barnes started the first two games of the season and was sub in the third. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 5

11:32pm Sat 5 Apr 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Come on Arnie back up your words ... Who was the back up striker?
I'm not sure why you needed to ask the question three times. But just to clarify Barnes did not miss the first four games, he was involved in the first three. Therefore we were only down to one fit striker when the first of them got injured. #facts
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: Come on Arnie back up your words ... Who was the back up striker?[/p][/quote]I'm not sure why you needed to ask the question three times. But just to clarify Barnes did not miss the first four games, he was involved in the first three. Therefore we were only down to one fit striker when the first of them got injured. #facts Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 7

11:47pm Sat 5 Apr 14

Claude Back says...

Towner83 wrote:
WisdomSpeaks wrote:
I think it's time to acknowledge what kind of first season Oscar Garcia has had and what kind of manager we have after a number of critical calls for his head.

The guys pedigree. Although new to English football he has played at the very highest level of world football under one of the games true greats, Johan Cruyff. Johan had seen and done it all and he recognized OG's talent by appointing him Barcelona Youth Team Manager. He wins trophies with them as soon as he is in charge.

Johan's son, Jordy, who played under the greatest British manager of our time, SAF at United, gets appointed as Head of Football at Macabbi Tel Aviv. He immediately appoints Oscar as Manager and Macabbi win the Israeli Premier League for the first time in over ten years in Oscar's first season.

We then appoint Oscar in horrible circumstances with all sorts of unrest as Poyet and all his staff are suspended and Poyet finally sacked for gross misconduct. Players are human beings. Some loved Poyet, some not so much but whatever it is not the ideal situation.

He has a Head of Football who has no great pedigree and certainly none to compare with Oscar himself. I get the feeling that his assistant, Nathan Jones, was probably 'suggested' to him as he spoke Spanish. Whatever, he also doesn't come near to Oscar's experience.

Success in football, as in everything, is about concordant chemistry and harmony within all areas and especially in football the Manager/ Head Coach must be seen by the players as THE man who makes all football decisions.

I think when you consider all of this and what happened in the transfer window Oscar has done an incredible job. I understand the media and some fans get frustrated as he is so un emotional in his interviews and he also insists on always focussing on the positive and the next game.

I would be seeing if Cruyff is available to come as Head of Football, if the club still believes we need one, and also get Oscar to choose his own assistant. Then I believe we would see a dramatic improvement in our club.

I watch the games using binoculars so I can see body language on the bench and I notice an absence of togetherness between Oscar and Nathan and I don't like hearing the coach do as much talking to the media as he does.

I'm convinced Oscar knows what he is doing and I don't feel that same confident about other areas.

I think it's interesting that Brendan Rodgers told John Henry he would not work with a Director of Football and we are seeing the results. If a massive club like Liverpool can run without one why can't we. Especially as we are supposed to be reducing costs.

To still be in with a real chance of the play offs is a great achievement from Oscar and think he can do great things for us when he takes more power,
Finally someone talking some sense! Wisdomspeaks take a bow
Hey, just because someone speaks your opinion too does not make it a majority opinion or right. In fact you are in the minority judging by most fans comments about O.G., so why do you call it sense? Because they agree with you? That doesn't make sense at all. ;-)
[quote][p][bold]Towner83[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WisdomSpeaks[/bold] wrote: I think it's time to acknowledge what kind of first season Oscar Garcia has had and what kind of manager we have after a number of critical calls for his head. The guys pedigree. Although new to English football he has played at the very highest level of world football under one of the games true greats, Johan Cruyff. Johan had seen and done it all and he recognized OG's talent by appointing him Barcelona Youth Team Manager. He wins trophies with them as soon as he is in charge. Johan's son, Jordy, who played under the greatest British manager of our time, SAF at United, gets appointed as Head of Football at Macabbi Tel Aviv. He immediately appoints Oscar as Manager and Macabbi win the Israeli Premier League for the first time in over ten years in Oscar's first season. We then appoint Oscar in horrible circumstances with all sorts of unrest as Poyet and all his staff are suspended and Poyet finally sacked for gross misconduct. Players are human beings. Some loved Poyet, some not so much but whatever it is not the ideal situation. He has a Head of Football who has no great pedigree and certainly none to compare with Oscar himself. I get the feeling that his assistant, Nathan Jones, was probably 'suggested' to him as he spoke Spanish. Whatever, he also doesn't come near to Oscar's experience. Success in football, as in everything, is about concordant chemistry and harmony within all areas and especially in football the Manager/ Head Coach must be seen by the players as THE man who makes all football decisions. I think when you consider all of this and what happened in the transfer window Oscar has done an incredible job. I understand the media and some fans get frustrated as he is so un emotional in his interviews and he also insists on always focussing on the positive and the next game. I would be seeing if Cruyff is available to come as Head of Football, if the club still believes we need one, and also get Oscar to choose his own assistant. Then I believe we would see a dramatic improvement in our club. I watch the games using binoculars so I can see body language on the bench and I notice an absence of togetherness between Oscar and Nathan and I don't like hearing the coach do as much talking to the media as he does. I'm convinced Oscar knows what he is doing and I don't feel that same confident about other areas. I think it's interesting that Brendan Rodgers told John Henry he would not work with a Director of Football and we are seeing the results. If a massive club like Liverpool can run without one why can't we. Especially as we are supposed to be reducing costs. To still be in with a real chance of the play offs is a great achievement from Oscar and think he can do great things for us when he takes more power,[/p][/quote]Finally someone talking some sense! Wisdomspeaks take a bow[/p][/quote]Hey, just because someone speaks your opinion too does not make it a majority opinion or right. In fact you are in the minority judging by most fans comments about O.G., so why do you call it sense? Because they agree with you? That doesn't make sense at all. ;-) Claude Back
  • Score: -8

11:53pm Sat 5 Apr 14

OldGull says...

OK all you negative feckers

All of you who claim you have supported Albion for 20, 30 or 40 years going on to claim we are now worse than we have ever been!
What F..ing planet are you on?
Yes this season has been disappointing after last year, but Gus screwed us and OG came in without a pre season and has still kept us close to the play offs despite an horrendous injury list not of his making.

Step back and remember the desperate years during the 90's
We then had a few good years ,all be it in leagues 1 & 2
We then became a struggling league 1 side again.

Since then we have been on an upward trend financed by TB
TB is still running the show, he wants premier league football, he will get premier league football. Maybe not this year or next, but soon.

By perpetually criticising B&B and NJ you are in effect criticising TB
They are his appointments.
TB has poured millions into this club. Please trust in his vision.

I believe OG has done a reasonable job in his 1st season.
If we are no better off this time next year, then maybe your criticisms are justified.
Having supported Albion through the bad years, I am grateful for where we are now as do I believe are most fans who really were there at the arse end of the Goldstone & Gillingham.

I now expect several thumbs down and abuse form certain trolls.
Do I care? No
UP THE ALBION
OK all you negative feckers All of you who claim you have supported Albion for 20, 30 or 40 years going on to claim we are now worse than we have ever been! What F..ing planet are you on? Yes this season has been disappointing after last year, but Gus screwed us and OG came in without a pre season and has still kept us close to the play offs despite an horrendous injury list not of his making. Step back and remember the desperate years during the 90's We then had a few good years ,all be it in leagues 1 & 2 We then became a struggling league 1 side again. Since then we have been on an upward trend financed by TB TB is still running the show, he wants premier league football, he will get premier league football. Maybe not this year or next, but soon. By perpetually criticising B&B and NJ you are in effect criticising TB They are his appointments. TB has poured millions into this club. Please trust in his vision. I believe OG has done a reasonable job in his 1st season. If we are no better off this time next year, then maybe your criticisms are justified. Having supported Albion through the bad years, I am grateful for where we are now as do I believe are most fans who really were there at the arse end of the Goldstone & Gillingham. I now expect several thumbs down and abuse form certain trolls. Do I care? No UP THE ALBION OldGull
  • Score: 20

11:56pm Sat 5 Apr 14

Claude Back says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
I was going to comment on MBTS's post and its numerous factual errors (one fit striker for first 10 games - really? look at the lineups) and opinions offered as facts ("Jones out of his depth" - proof?) but frankly life is too short.

Same old whining without evidence to back it up. Mark is by no means the only one though. I honestly thought the comments on here would be more positive, after getting an away point at a team who had comfortably won their last two games, and both away from home, but no, we're still apparently the worst and most boring team in the league.

Come on Vegas and OldGull, where are your positive comments? It's lonely being just about the only glass half full guy on here.
...and maybe just as lonely being part of a triumvirate that cannot face reality and mask it with jingoistic flag waving devoid of fact intent on arguing black is white no matter what is said.
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: I was going to comment on MBTS's post and its numerous factual errors (one fit striker for first 10 games - really? look at the lineups) and opinions offered as facts ("Jones out of his depth" - proof?) but frankly life is too short. Same old whining without evidence to back it up. Mark is by no means the only one though. I honestly thought the comments on here would be more positive, after getting an away point at a team who had comfortably won their last two games, and both away from home, but no, we're still apparently the worst and most boring team in the league. Come on Vegas and OldGull, where are your positive comments? It's lonely being just about the only glass half full guy on here.[/p][/quote]...and maybe just as lonely being part of a triumvirate that cannot face reality and mask it with jingoistic flag waving devoid of fact intent on arguing black is white no matter what is said. Claude Back
  • Score: -7

12:03am Sun 6 Apr 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

Claude Back wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
I was going to comment on MBTS's post and its numerous factual errors (one fit striker for first 10 games - really? look at the lineups) and opinions offered as facts ("Jones out of his depth" - proof?) but frankly life is too short.

Same old whining without evidence to back it up. Mark is by no means the only one though. I honestly thought the comments on here would be more positive, after getting an away point at a team who had comfortably won their last two games, and both away from home, but no, we're still apparently the worst and most boring team in the league.

Come on Vegas and OldGull, where are your positive comments? It's lonely being just about the only glass half full guy on here.
...and maybe just as lonely being part of a triumvirate that cannot face reality and mask it with jingoistic flag waving devoid of fact intent on arguing black is white no matter what is said.
This could be the tenth best season the club have ever had. If you're depressed about that then I genuinely feel sorry for you.

The problem here is that much is posted as fact when it is instead opinion. "Jones is out of his depth" we keep seeing written. Not not only do most here not know what Jones's specific tasks are, they ahve even less idea of how good he is at them. He might be shocking, he might be brilliant. The thing is NO-ONE KNOWS yet still decides he is cr@p.

I understand everyone needs someone to blame in football as in life (witness the amount of DM readers who blame immigrants for their every problem) but what did everyone expect to happen this season? we are-reached last season, and we were always very unlikely to do so again, especially with the fuss over Gus and the loss of many players due to injury or flouncing.

I am trying to keep a grip on reality, which is not easy as a fanatic, but flippin'eck, some of the comments on here are nothing short of spiteful.

I short, I may be one of the few optimistic supporters on this website but I ask you this: who is enjoying this season more... Vegas, OldGull and me, or you, MBTS and everyone else who thinks they could do a better job than Oscar?

PS: It's Vegas, OldGull and me.
[quote][p][bold]Claude Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: I was going to comment on MBTS's post and its numerous factual errors (one fit striker for first 10 games - really? look at the lineups) and opinions offered as facts ("Jones out of his depth" - proof?) but frankly life is too short. Same old whining without evidence to back it up. Mark is by no means the only one though. I honestly thought the comments on here would be more positive, after getting an away point at a team who had comfortably won their last two games, and both away from home, but no, we're still apparently the worst and most boring team in the league. Come on Vegas and OldGull, where are your positive comments? It's lonely being just about the only glass half full guy on here.[/p][/quote]...and maybe just as lonely being part of a triumvirate that cannot face reality and mask it with jingoistic flag waving devoid of fact intent on arguing black is white no matter what is said.[/p][/quote]This could be the tenth best season the club have ever had. If you're depressed about that then I genuinely feel sorry for you. The problem here is that much is posted as fact when it is instead opinion. "Jones is out of his depth" we keep seeing written. Not not only do most here not know what Jones's specific tasks are, they ahve even less idea of how good he is at them. He might be shocking, he might be brilliant. The thing is NO-ONE KNOWS yet still decides he is cr@p. I understand everyone needs someone to blame in football as in life (witness the amount of DM readers who blame immigrants for their every problem) but what did everyone expect to happen this season? we are-reached last season, and we were always very unlikely to do so again, especially with the fuss over Gus and the loss of many players due to injury or flouncing. I am trying to keep a grip on reality, which is not easy as a fanatic, but flippin'eck, some of the comments on here are nothing short of spiteful. I short, I may be one of the few optimistic supporters on this website but I ask you this: who is enjoying this season more... Vegas, OldGull and me, or you, MBTS and everyone else who thinks they could do a better job than Oscar? PS: It's Vegas, OldGull and me. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 8

12:12am Sun 6 Apr 14

The Bosch says...

Your ere Ex-pat lol
Your ere Ex-pat lol The Bosch
  • Score: -8

12:13am Sun 6 Apr 14

OldGull says...

Claude Back wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
I was going to comment on MBTS's post and its numerous factual errors (one fit striker for first 10 games - really? look at the lineups) and opinions offered as facts ("Jones out of his depth" - proof?) but frankly life is too short.

Same old whining without evidence to back it up. Mark is by no means the only one though. I honestly thought the comments on here would be more positive, after getting an away point at a team who had comfortably won their last two games, and both away from home, but no, we're still apparently the worst and most boring team in the league.

Come on Vegas and OldGull, where are your positive comments? It's lonely being just about the only glass half full guy on here.
...and maybe just as lonely being part of a triumvirate that cannot face reality and mask it with jingoistic flag waving devoid of fact intent on arguing black is white no matter what is said.
Please read my posting above.
Just remember where we have come from.
This is a year of consolidation
If we are in the same position or worse next year then I will bow to your superior knowledge. In the meantime, I will support OG
I full pre season, some new signings of his choice, more DS coming through. A real challenge next year

UTFWT
[quote][p][bold]Claude Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: I was going to comment on MBTS's post and its numerous factual errors (one fit striker for first 10 games - really? look at the lineups) and opinions offered as facts ("Jones out of his depth" - proof?) but frankly life is too short. Same old whining without evidence to back it up. Mark is by no means the only one though. I honestly thought the comments on here would be more positive, after getting an away point at a team who had comfortably won their last two games, and both away from home, but no, we're still apparently the worst and most boring team in the league. Come on Vegas and OldGull, where are your positive comments? It's lonely being just about the only glass half full guy on here.[/p][/quote]...and maybe just as lonely being part of a triumvirate that cannot face reality and mask it with jingoistic flag waving devoid of fact intent on arguing black is white no matter what is said.[/p][/quote]Please read my posting above. Just remember where we have come from. This is a year of consolidation If we are in the same position or worse next year then I will bow to your superior knowledge. In the meantime, I will support OG I full pre season, some new signings of his choice, more DS coming through. A real challenge next year UTFWT OldGull
  • Score: 6

12:16am Sun 6 Apr 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

The Bosch wrote:
Your ere Ex-pat lol
Nope, I have no idea what that means. Anyone?
[quote][p][bold]The Bosch[/bold] wrote: Your ere Ex-pat lol[/p][/quote]Nope, I have no idea what that means. Anyone? Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 6

12:16am Sun 6 Apr 14

OldGull says...

The Bosch wrote:
Your ere Ex-pat lol
please repeat in English
[quote][p][bold]The Bosch[/bold] wrote: Your ere Ex-pat lol[/p][/quote]please repeat in English OldGull
  • Score: 6

12:18am Sun 6 Apr 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

The Bosch wrote:
Cook & Elphick play in the championship every week but not your son.They also only get half the money.lol
That's a bl00dy good point actually. Why is my 10 year old son not playing in the Championship? I'm going to take this up with his mother first thing in the morning. This is unacceptable!
[quote][p][bold]The Bosch[/bold] wrote: Cook & Elphick play in the championship every week but not your son.They also only get half the money.lol[/p][/quote]That's a bl00dy good point actually. Why is my 10 year old son not playing in the Championship? I'm going to take this up with his mother first thing in the morning. This is unacceptable! Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 6

12:20am Sun 6 Apr 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

The Bosch wrote:
OldGull wrote:
The Bosch wrote:
Your ere Ex-pat lol
please repeat in English
Thank is pure English u vile weak snob.Its just a football site sad man.
"Your ere Ex-pat lol" is pure English? It really is not. 'Ere' means 'before' which just doesn't make sense in that context.
[quote][p][bold]The Bosch[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OldGull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Bosch[/bold] wrote: Your ere Ex-pat lol[/p][/quote]please repeat in English[/p][/quote]Thank is pure English u vile weak snob.Its just a football site sad man.[/p][/quote]"Your ere Ex-pat lol" is pure English? It really is not. 'Ere' means 'before' which just doesn't make sense in that context. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 6

12:21am Sun 6 Apr 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

The Bosch wrote:
We r in a pub on the phone.Get a life sad man.
Ah, so you're drunk? Fair enough - enjoy!
[quote][p][bold]The Bosch[/bold] wrote: We r in a pub on the phone.Get a life sad man.[/p][/quote]Ah, so you're drunk? Fair enough - enjoy! Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 5

12:21am Sun 6 Apr 14

OldGull says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
Claude Back wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
I was going to comment on MBTS's post and its numerous factual errors (one fit striker for first 10 games - really? look at the lineups) and opinions offered as facts ("Jones out of his depth" - proof?) but frankly life is too short.

Same old whining without evidence to back it up. Mark is by no means the only one though. I honestly thought the comments on here would be more positive, after getting an away point at a team who had comfortably won their last two games, and both away from home, but no, we're still apparently the worst and most boring team in the league.

Come on Vegas and OldGull, where are your positive comments? It's lonely being just about the only glass half full guy on here.
...and maybe just as lonely being part of a triumvirate that cannot face reality and mask it with jingoistic flag waving devoid of fact intent on arguing black is white no matter what is said.
This could be the tenth best season the club have ever had. If you're depressed about that then I genuinely feel sorry for you.

The problem here is that much is posted as fact when it is instead opinion. "Jones is out of his depth" we keep seeing written. Not not only do most here not know what Jones's specific tasks are, they ahve even less idea of how good he is at them. He might be shocking, he might be brilliant. The thing is NO-ONE KNOWS yet still decides he is cr@p.

I understand everyone needs someone to blame in football as in life (witness the amount of DM readers who blame immigrants for their every problem) but what did everyone expect to happen this season? we are-reached last season, and we were always very unlikely to do so again, especially with the fuss over Gus and the loss of many players due to injury or flouncing.

I am trying to keep a grip on reality, which is not easy as a fanatic, but flippin'eck, some of the comments on here are nothing short of spiteful.

I short, I may be one of the few optimistic supporters on this website but I ask you this: who is enjoying this season more... Vegas, OldGull and me, or you, MBTS and everyone else who thinks they could do a better job than Oscar?

PS: It's Vegas, OldGull and me.
Agreed Arnie
Despite the many downbeats on this site, we are still in with a chance this season.
The Glass is still half full (A nice single malt at present)
UTA
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Claude Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: I was going to comment on MBTS's post and its numerous factual errors (one fit striker for first 10 games - really? look at the lineups) and opinions offered as facts ("Jones out of his depth" - proof?) but frankly life is too short. Same old whining without evidence to back it up. Mark is by no means the only one though. I honestly thought the comments on here would be more positive, after getting an away point at a team who had comfortably won their last two games, and both away from home, but no, we're still apparently the worst and most boring team in the league. Come on Vegas and OldGull, where are your positive comments? It's lonely being just about the only glass half full guy on here.[/p][/quote]...and maybe just as lonely being part of a triumvirate that cannot face reality and mask it with jingoistic flag waving devoid of fact intent on arguing black is white no matter what is said.[/p][/quote]This could be the tenth best season the club have ever had. If you're depressed about that then I genuinely feel sorry for you. The problem here is that much is posted as fact when it is instead opinion. "Jones is out of his depth" we keep seeing written. Not not only do most here not know what Jones's specific tasks are, they ahve even less idea of how good he is at them. He might be shocking, he might be brilliant. The thing is NO-ONE KNOWS yet still decides he is cr@p. I understand everyone needs someone to blame in football as in life (witness the amount of DM readers who blame immigrants for their every problem) but what did everyone expect to happen this season? we are-reached last season, and we were always very unlikely to do so again, especially with the fuss over Gus and the loss of many players due to injury or flouncing. I am trying to keep a grip on reality, which is not easy as a fanatic, but flippin'eck, some of the comments on here are nothing short of spiteful. I short, I may be one of the few optimistic supporters on this website but I ask you this: who is enjoying this season more... Vegas, OldGull and me, or you, MBTS and everyone else who thinks they could do a better job than Oscar? PS: It's Vegas, OldGull and me.[/p][/quote]Agreed Arnie Despite the many downbeats on this site, we are still in with a chance this season. The Glass is still half full (A nice single malt at present) UTA OldGull
  • Score: 3

12:23am Sun 6 Apr 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

OldGull wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
Claude Back wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
I was going to comment on MBTS's post and its numerous factual errors (one fit striker for first 10 games - really? look at the lineups) and opinions offered as facts ("Jones out of his depth" - proof?) but frankly life is too short.

Same old whining without evidence to back it up. Mark is by no means the only one though. I honestly thought the comments on here would be more positive, after getting an away point at a team who had comfortably won their last two games, and both away from home, but no, we're still apparently the worst and most boring team in the league.

Come on Vegas and OldGull, where are your positive comments? It's lonely being just about the only glass half full guy on here.
...and maybe just as lonely being part of a triumvirate that cannot face reality and mask it with jingoistic flag waving devoid of fact intent on arguing black is white no matter what is said.
This could be the tenth best season the club have ever had. If you're depressed about that then I genuinely feel sorry for you.

The problem here is that much is posted as fact when it is instead opinion. "Jones is out of his depth" we keep seeing written. Not not only do most here not know what Jones's specific tasks are, they ahve even less idea of how good he is at them. He might be shocking, he might be brilliant. The thing is NO-ONE KNOWS yet still decides he is cr@p.

I understand everyone needs someone to blame in football as in life (witness the amount of DM readers who blame immigrants for their every problem) but what did everyone expect to happen this season? we are-reached last season, and we were always very unlikely to do so again, especially with the fuss over Gus and the loss of many players due to injury or flouncing.

I am trying to keep a grip on reality, which is not easy as a fanatic, but flippin'eck, some of the comments on here are nothing short of spiteful.

I short, I may be one of the few optimistic supporters on this website but I ask you this: who is enjoying this season more... Vegas, OldGull and me, or you, MBTS and everyone else who thinks they could do a better job than Oscar?

PS: It's Vegas, OldGull and me.
Agreed Arnie
Despite the many downbeats on this site, we are still in with a chance this season.
The Glass is still half full (A nice single malt at present)
UTA
I'm partial to a Highland Park myself. Enjoy :-)
[quote][p][bold]OldGull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Claude Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: I was going to comment on MBTS's post and its numerous factual errors (one fit striker for first 10 games - really? look at the lineups) and opinions offered as facts ("Jones out of his depth" - proof?) but frankly life is too short. Same old whining without evidence to back it up. Mark is by no means the only one though. I honestly thought the comments on here would be more positive, after getting an away point at a team who had comfortably won their last two games, and both away from home, but no, we're still apparently the worst and most boring team in the league. Come on Vegas and OldGull, where are your positive comments? It's lonely being just about the only glass half full guy on here.[/p][/quote]...and maybe just as lonely being part of a triumvirate that cannot face reality and mask it with jingoistic flag waving devoid of fact intent on arguing black is white no matter what is said.[/p][/quote]This could be the tenth best season the club have ever had. If you're depressed about that then I genuinely feel sorry for you. The problem here is that much is posted as fact when it is instead opinion. "Jones is out of his depth" we keep seeing written. Not not only do most here not know what Jones's specific tasks are, they ahve even less idea of how good he is at them. He might be shocking, he might be brilliant. The thing is NO-ONE KNOWS yet still decides he is cr@p. I understand everyone needs someone to blame in football as in life (witness the amount of DM readers who blame immigrants for their every problem) but what did everyone expect to happen this season? we are-reached last season, and we were always very unlikely to do so again, especially with the fuss over Gus and the loss of many players due to injury or flouncing. I am trying to keep a grip on reality, which is not easy as a fanatic, but flippin'eck, some of the comments on here are nothing short of spiteful. I short, I may be one of the few optimistic supporters on this website but I ask you this: who is enjoying this season more... Vegas, OldGull and me, or you, MBTS and everyone else who thinks they could do a better job than Oscar? PS: It's Vegas, OldGull and me.[/p][/quote]Agreed Arnie Despite the many downbeats on this site, we are still in with a chance this season. The Glass is still half full (A nice single malt at present) UTA[/p][/quote]I'm partial to a Highland Park myself. Enjoy :-) Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 2

12:25am Sun 6 Apr 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

The Bosch wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
The Bosch wrote:
Cook & Elphick play in the championship every week but not your son.They also only get half the money.lol
That's a bl00dy good point actually. Why is my 10 year old son not playing in the Championship? I'm going to take this up with his mother first thing in the morning. This is unacceptable!
You know so many vile evil gangsters it makes u above the law don't it? Cook was outstanding today.
Cook's a good player. Always has been, if a little lacking in pace. But as for gangsters? I don't even know anyone who has ever been booked for speeding, so Al Capone I ain't. I even feel guilty if I see a policeman in the street.
[quote][p][bold]The Bosch[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Bosch[/bold] wrote: Cook & Elphick play in the championship every week but not your son.They also only get half the money.lol[/p][/quote]That's a bl00dy good point actually. Why is my 10 year old son not playing in the Championship? I'm going to take this up with his mother first thing in the morning. This is unacceptable![/p][/quote]You know so many vile evil gangsters it makes u above the law don't it? Cook was outstanding today.[/p][/quote]Cook's a good player. Always has been, if a little lacking in pace. But as for gangsters? I don't even know anyone who has ever been booked for speeding, so Al Capone I ain't. I even feel guilty if I see a policeman in the street. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 4

12:27am Sun 6 Apr 14

OldGull says...

The Bosch wrote:
OldGull wrote:
The Bosch wrote:
Your ere Ex-pat lol
please repeat in English
Thank is pure English u vile weak snob.Its just a football site sad man.
Nope, I still do not understand.
I recognise 2 of your words, Vile & Sad
Obviously predictive text
Maybe if I speak spanish

Usted es una completa pérdida de aire que usted respira
[quote][p][bold]The Bosch[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OldGull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Bosch[/bold] wrote: Your ere Ex-pat lol[/p][/quote]please repeat in English[/p][/quote]Thank is pure English u vile weak snob.Its just a football site sad man.[/p][/quote]Nope, I still do not understand. I recognise 2 of your words, Vile & Sad Obviously predictive text Maybe if I speak spanish Usted es una completa pérdida de aire que usted respira OldGull
  • Score: 3

12:30am Sun 6 Apr 14

OldGull says...

The Bosch wrote:
Nil- Nil against a 10 man league one team next season lol.Now play a Leicester team with a drunk manager tonight lol.Brighton ain't going up and the best players are off in the summer.
as I said

Usted es una completa pérdida de aire que usted respira
[quote][p][bold]The Bosch[/bold] wrote: Nil- Nil against a 10 man league one team next season lol.Now play a Leicester team with a drunk manager tonight lol.Brighton ain't going up and the best players are off in the summer.[/p][/quote]as I said Usted es una completa pérdida de aire que usted respira OldGull
  • Score: 2

12:31am Sun 6 Apr 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

The Bosch wrote:
Nil- Nil against a 10 man league one team next season lol.Now play a Leicester team with a drunk manager tonight lol.Brighton ain't going up and the best players are off in the summer.
A Barnsley side who recently won 3-1 at Reading. I think even you will agree we had the better result against Barnsley.

Any away point is a good point.
[quote][p][bold]The Bosch[/bold] wrote: Nil- Nil against a 10 man league one team next season lol.Now play a Leicester team with a drunk manager tonight lol.Brighton ain't going up and the best players are off in the summer.[/p][/quote]A Barnsley side who recently won 3-1 at Reading. I think even you will agree we had the better result against Barnsley. Any away point is a good point. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 5

12:40am Sun 6 Apr 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

OldGull wrote:
The Bosch wrote:
Nil- Nil against a 10 man league one team next season lol.Now play a Leicester team with a drunk manager tonight lol.Brighton ain't going up and the best players are off in the summer.
as I said

Usted es una completa pérdida de aire que usted respira
Usted es un hombre joven divertido!
[quote][p][bold]OldGull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Bosch[/bold] wrote: Nil- Nil against a 10 man league one team next season lol.Now play a Leicester team with a drunk manager tonight lol.Brighton ain't going up and the best players are off in the summer.[/p][/quote]as I said Usted es una completa pérdida de aire que usted respira[/p][/quote]Usted es un hombre joven divertido! Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 4

12:42am Sun 6 Apr 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

The Bosch wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
The Bosch wrote:
Nil- Nil against a 10 man league one team next season lol.Now play a Leicester team with a drunk manager tonight lol.Brighton ain't going up and the best players are off in the summer.
A Barnsley side who recently won 3-1 at Reading. I think even you will agree we had the better result against Barnsley.

Any away point is a good point.
No Ex-pat after Jfk & Dunk took the team on the lash after the BMTH game down their we got that result against Barnsley at home,and they got the 3-nil against Sheff-Wds.BMTH had the brains to deal with the freeloaders after that.Our staff let Augtien get out of control.Vile vile vile freeloaders.
JFK is dead. Move on man, move on!
[quote][p][bold]The Bosch[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Bosch[/bold] wrote: Nil- Nil against a 10 man league one team next season lol.Now play a Leicester team with a drunk manager tonight lol.Brighton ain't going up and the best players are off in the summer.[/p][/quote]A Barnsley side who recently won 3-1 at Reading. I think even you will agree we had the better result against Barnsley. Any away point is a good point.[/p][/quote]No Ex-pat after Jfk & Dunk took the team on the lash after the BMTH game down their we got that result against Barnsley at home,and they got the 3-nil against Sheff-Wds.BMTH had the brains to deal with the freeloaders after that.Our staff let Augtien get out of control.Vile vile vile freeloaders.[/p][/quote]JFK is dead. Move on man, move on! Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 3

12:43am Sun 6 Apr 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

The Bosch wrote:
The JFK IS A MASON JOKE
So you're a mason? And 'joke' is maybe overstating it a tad.
[quote][p][bold]The Bosch[/bold] wrote: The JFK IS A MASON JOKE[/p][/quote]So you're a mason? And 'joke' is maybe overstating it a tad. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 5

12:46am Sun 6 Apr 14

OldGull says...

The Bosch wrote:
The JFK IS A MASON JOKE
dame un beso, eres tan varonil cuando hablas mierda
[quote][p][bold]The Bosch[/bold] wrote: The JFK IS A MASON JOKE[/p][/quote]dame un beso, eres tan varonil cuando hablas mierda OldGull
  • Score: 4

12:52am Sun 6 Apr 14

OldGull says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
OldGull wrote:
The Bosch wrote:
Nil- Nil against a 10 man league one team next season lol.Now play a Leicester team with a drunk manager tonight lol.Brighton ain't going up and the best players are off in the summer.
as I said

Usted es una completa pérdida de aire que usted respira
Usted es un hombre joven divertido!
los vasos están medio llenos
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OldGull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Bosch[/bold] wrote: Nil- Nil against a 10 man league one team next season lol.Now play a Leicester team with a drunk manager tonight lol.Brighton ain't going up and the best players are off in the summer.[/p][/quote]as I said Usted es una completa pérdida de aire que usted respira[/p][/quote]Usted es un hombre joven divertido![/p][/quote]los vasos están medio llenos OldGull
  • Score: 4

12:55am Sun 6 Apr 14

OldGull says...

OldGull wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
OldGull wrote:
The Bosch wrote:
Nil- Nil against a 10 man league one team next season lol.Now play a Leicester team with a drunk manager tonight lol.Brighton ain't going up and the best players are off in the summer.
as I said

Usted es una completa pérdida de aire que usted respira
Usted es un hombre joven divertido!
los vasos están medio llenos
buenas noches mi amigo
[quote][p][bold]OldGull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OldGull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Bosch[/bold] wrote: Nil- Nil against a 10 man league one team next season lol.Now play a Leicester team with a drunk manager tonight lol.Brighton ain't going up and the best players are off in the summer.[/p][/quote]as I said Usted es una completa pérdida de aire que usted respira[/p][/quote]Usted es un hombre joven divertido![/p][/quote]los vasos están medio llenos[/p][/quote]buenas noches mi amigo OldGull
  • Score: 4

12:55am Sun 6 Apr 14

The Bosch says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
The Bosch wrote:
The JFK IS A MASON JOKE
So you're a mason? And 'joke' is maybe overstating it a tad.
No Ex-pat we don't really care and there is only 3 post names on this site still lol.Out of maybe 34k fans.Get a life man.
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Bosch[/bold] wrote: The JFK IS A MASON JOKE[/p][/quote]So you're a mason? And 'joke' is maybe overstating it a tad.[/p][/quote]No Ex-pat we don't really care and there is only 3 post names on this site still lol.Out of maybe 34k fans.Get a life man. The Bosch
  • Score: -8

1:02am Sun 6 Apr 14

OldGull says...

The Bosch wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
The Bosch wrote:
The JFK IS A MASON JOKE
So you're a mason? And 'joke' is maybe overstating it a tad.
No Ex-pat we don't really care and there is only 3 post names on this site still lol.Out of maybe 34k fans.Get a life man.
¿Por qué me ignoras?
¿Usted no habla español?
Buen gnomo Noche
[quote][p][bold]The Bosch[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Bosch[/bold] wrote: The JFK IS A MASON JOKE[/p][/quote]So you're a mason? And 'joke' is maybe overstating it a tad.[/p][/quote]No Ex-pat we don't really care and there is only 3 post names on this site still lol.Out of maybe 34k fans.Get a life man.[/p][/quote]¿Por qué me ignoras? ¿Usted no habla español? Buen gnomo Noche OldGull
  • Score: 2

1:11am Sun 6 Apr 14

BIG TROUBLE says...

driverchris53 wrote:
i like Oscar and still fully support him but to keep saying we should have won if we took our chances is getting to be a little repetitive.This division is weak this year and there was good chance we could go up but this lack of imaginaton and care in front of goal has cost us.If we went up this year we would have no chance of staying up;our squad is miles too poor but one season in Premier League would make them stronger.We are still in there with a chance;4 wins out of 6 would possibly be enough but to be truthful i cannot see us winning again this season.
Oscar doesn't take the shots that go over or wide that's the players they need to get that part right HIT THE TARGET !!!!!!!
UTA
[quote][p][bold]driverchris53[/bold] wrote: i like Oscar and still fully support him but to keep saying we should have won if we took our chances is getting to be a little repetitive.This division is weak this year and there was good chance we could go up but this lack of imaginaton and care in front of goal has cost us.If we went up this year we would have no chance of staying up;our squad is miles too poor but one season in Premier League would make them stronger.We are still in there with a chance;4 wins out of 6 would possibly be enough but to be truthful i cannot see us winning again this season.[/p][/quote]Oscar doesn't take the shots that go over or wide that's the players they need to get that part right HIT THE TARGET !!!!!!! UTA BIG TROUBLE
  • Score: 2

1:18am Sun 6 Apr 14

VegasSeagull says...

Whether Brighton need a Director of Football and a Head Coach is unclear to me, it's as though we have two managers.
If Oscar has 100% control of how the team lines up and what style of soccer they play, it would seem to me that he should also have 100% control of who signs for us to impliment what he wants from his players. If the Director Of Football has influence as to who we sign, doesn't that also give him some influence as to what happens on the park?

We have entered into one or two real flop loan deals, and we have bought what appears to be a flop signing, Kemmy. So did Oscar identify these players as targets for Burke to get, or did Burke tell Oscar, this is who you are getting. If the flops came as a direct wish of Oscar's, then my faith in Oscar building a new and better squad for next season would be very low. On the other hand, if Burke was fully responsible for these arrivals, then I would fear what might occur during the summer window.

Oscar might have arrived with little knowledge of the english market, but he is not a fool, and now he has just about got a year's worth of learning under his belt. I refuse to believe that Oscar doesn't now have the ability to identify, within the english market, a good player from a duff one. Burke has been operating in the market long enough to know better, but perhaps he doesn't.

The retain and let go lists will be formed very shortly, I would guess that some work has already begun, these decisions have to rest with Oscar. Once we know who is going and who isn't, we will also know just how many new players we are going to need, and again choosing the replacements has to be Oscar's decision.

Burke has a role to play, Oscar gives him a list of targets and Burke goes shopping. Barber doesn't have a role other than to tell Oscar and Burke how much they can spend, how they do it is up to them.
If the set up for next year isn't as I have outlined Oscar might as well pack his bags and go, it would be daft for him to put his reputation in the hands of another.
Whether Brighton need a Director of Football and a Head Coach is unclear to me, it's as though we have two managers. If Oscar has 100% control of how the team lines up and what style of soccer they play, it would seem to me that he should also have 100% control of who signs for us to impliment what he wants from his players. If the Director Of Football has influence as to who we sign, doesn't that also give him some influence as to what happens on the park? We have entered into one or two real flop loan deals, and we have bought what appears to be a flop signing, Kemmy. So did Oscar identify these players as targets for Burke to get, or did Burke tell Oscar, this is who you are getting. If the flops came as a direct wish of Oscar's, then my faith in Oscar building a new and better squad for next season would be very low. On the other hand, if Burke was fully responsible for these arrivals, then I would fear what might occur during the summer window. Oscar might have arrived with little knowledge of the english market, but he is not a fool, and now he has just about got a year's worth of learning under his belt. I refuse to believe that Oscar doesn't now have the ability to identify, within the english market, a good player from a duff one. Burke has been operating in the market long enough to know better, but perhaps he doesn't. The retain and let go lists will be formed very shortly, I would guess that some work has already begun, these decisions have to rest with Oscar. Once we know who is going and who isn't, we will also know just how many new players we are going to need, and again choosing the replacements has to be Oscar's decision. Burke has a role to play, Oscar gives him a list of targets and Burke goes shopping. Barber doesn't have a role other than to tell Oscar and Burke how much they can spend, how they do it is up to them. If the set up for next year isn't as I have outlined Oscar might as well pack his bags and go, it would be daft for him to put his reputation in the hands of another. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 7

3:08am Sun 6 Apr 14

VegasSeagull says...

TK has no intention of staying, we could offer him a pay rise and a four year deal, he will stil go because he is certain that he should be at a prem club, that's the only thing on his mind. That is not an opinion from me, that is exactly what TK has said publicly.

Ince and Solly are going no where this summer, they will stay with Brighton for another season. Both of them still have a lot to learn and I can't see the club letting them go. That said, there could be interest in them both come the next winter window, but even then I don't see Brighton selling.
TK has no intention of staying, we could offer him a pay rise and a four year deal, he will stil go because he is certain that he should be at a prem club, that's the only thing on his mind. That is not an opinion from me, that is exactly what TK has said publicly. Ince and Solly are going no where this summer, they will stay with Brighton for another season. Both of them still have a lot to learn and I can't see the club letting them go. That said, there could be interest in them both come the next winter window, but even then I don't see Brighton selling. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 5

5:47am Sun 6 Apr 14

Seagull John says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
TK has no intention of staying, we could offer him a pay rise and a four year deal, he will stil go because he is certain that he should be at a prem club, that's the only thing on his mind. That is not an opinion from me, that is exactly what TK has said publicly.

Ince and Solly are going no where this summer, they will stay with Brighton for another season. Both of them still have a lot to learn and I can't see the club letting them go. That said, there could be interest in them both come the next winter window, but even then I don't see Brighton selling.
Solly can go. Currently Conference level.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: TK has no intention of staying, we could offer him a pay rise and a four year deal, he will stil go because he is certain that he should be at a prem club, that's the only thing on his mind. That is not an opinion from me, that is exactly what TK has said publicly. Ince and Solly are going no where this summer, they will stay with Brighton for another season. Both of them still have a lot to learn and I can't see the club letting them go. That said, there could be interest in them both come the next winter window, but even then I don't see Brighton selling.[/p][/quote]Solly can go. Currently Conference level. Seagull John
  • Score: -11

7:12am Sun 6 Apr 14

Far gull says...

SecondReserve wrote:
Our last 5 matches have been against generally poor teams yet we’ve got a grand total of 2 points out of 15 and we’ve only even scored in one of those 5 matches.

If we were going to overtake 3 teams and get into the top 6 today really was a must win match. Garcia can say his team had chances to win but we were playing relegation certainties and they had to play the last quarter of an hour with 10 men yet not only could Garcia’s team not beat them but we managed just one shot on target in the match – and that was in the 82nd minute.

The majority of football fans are amazing blinkered but anyone who thinks we are going to get into the play-offs is living in cloud-cuckoo land. We haven’t got a cat in hell’s chance of getting into the top 6, no chance at all. We’ve got 2 points from our last 5 matches and we can’t score so how many points are we really going to get from our final 6 matches. Fewer than 10 I’ll wager and that will be nowhere near enough to make the top 6.

Only the bottom 6 teams have scored fewer goals than our 42 in 40 matches and every single one of the other top 18 teams have scored at least 7 more goals than us. Our present team is nowhere near good enough for the play-offs and the prospect of them getting into the Premiership doesn’t bear thinking about.

We could – arguably should – have got promoted last season and I believe that is as close as we’ll get to the Premiership for a long time. We’ve lost a lot of that squad – Bridcutt and Bridge (the two best players), Barnes and Hammond (both going to get promoted this season) plus El Abd, Dicker and Vicente.

We’ve brought in a raft of players, all of whom are less good than the players we’ve lost. Of the new players, only Ward could be said to have been a success but he’s no Bridge. But Stephens, Andrews, Agustien, Lita, Obika, Rodriguez, Lingard are just not good enough for a team trying to get promoted. Conway and Grabban might have improved the team but we didn’t actually sign either of them .Added to that quite a few of last season’s squad have suddenly looked past their sell-by date this season.

Given where we’ve been and all that has happened over the last 20 years being a mid-table Championship side is no mean feat and we’ve now got a super stadium. However the reality seems that we aren’t serious about getting promoted and the club appears to lack real ambition and to have settled for us being a decent Championship side getting good crowds.

Yes, we’ve had injuries and we can make all sorts of excuses but the basic fact is that we are a far less good team than we were at the end of last season and we may well only just about be in the top half of the table at the end of the season. In truth we’ve gone backwards as a team this season and we need an awful lot of new players if (and it is a big if) we are serious about trying to get promoted next season. Plus a management team who understand the basic concept that the idea of football is to score goals and that by scoring goals you win matches.
Top post. Actually i find it very sad. We have lost so much momentum as a club this season. Tony B must be gutted. But only he can sort it.
Gus was so wrong in his behaviour but right about management above him.
It will take years now to rebuild i fear , a team capable of prem football, i just hope new fans hang around.
Having great training facilities is wonderful for us but it will not fill amex . Only top players and product will do that.
Just a thought but may be there is an underlying policy to niw sell the club to a Russian or arab. Because that is ghe kind of money required now to build a team
[quote][p][bold]SecondReserve[/bold] wrote: Our last 5 matches have been against generally poor teams yet we’ve got a grand total of 2 points out of 15 and we’ve only even scored in one of those 5 matches. If we were going to overtake 3 teams and get into the top 6 today really was a must win match. Garcia can say his team had chances to win but we were playing relegation certainties and they had to play the last quarter of an hour with 10 men yet not only could Garcia’s team not beat them but we managed just one shot on target in the match – and that was in the 82nd minute. The majority of football fans are amazing blinkered but anyone who thinks we are going to get into the play-offs is living in cloud-cuckoo land. We haven’t got a cat in hell’s chance of getting into the top 6, no chance at all. We’ve got 2 points from our last 5 matches and we can’t score so how many points are we really going to get from our final 6 matches. Fewer than 10 I’ll wager and that will be nowhere near enough to make the top 6. Only the bottom 6 teams have scored fewer goals than our 42 in 40 matches and every single one of the other top 18 teams have scored at least 7 more goals than us. Our present team is nowhere near good enough for the play-offs and the prospect of them getting into the Premiership doesn’t bear thinking about. We could – arguably should – have got promoted last season and I believe that is as close as we’ll get to the Premiership for a long time. We’ve lost a lot of that squad – Bridcutt and Bridge (the two best players), Barnes and Hammond (both going to get promoted this season) plus El Abd, Dicker and Vicente. We’ve brought in a raft of players, all of whom are less good than the players we’ve lost. Of the new players, only Ward could be said to have been a success but he’s no Bridge. But Stephens, Andrews, Agustien, Lita, Obika, Rodriguez, Lingard are just not good enough for a team trying to get promoted. Conway and Grabban might have improved the team but we didn’t actually sign either of them .Added to that quite a few of last season’s squad have suddenly looked past their sell-by date this season. Given where we’ve been and all that has happened over the last 20 years being a mid-table Championship side is no mean feat and we’ve now got a super stadium. However the reality seems that we aren’t serious about getting promoted and the club appears to lack real ambition and to have settled for us being a decent Championship side getting good crowds. Yes, we’ve had injuries and we can make all sorts of excuses but the basic fact is that we are a far less good team than we were at the end of last season and we may well only just about be in the top half of the table at the end of the season. In truth we’ve gone backwards as a team this season and we need an awful lot of new players if (and it is a big if) we are serious about trying to get promoted next season. Plus a management team who understand the basic concept that the idea of football is to score goals and that by scoring goals you win matches.[/p][/quote]Top post. Actually i find it very sad. We have lost so much momentum as a club this season. Tony B must be gutted. But only he can sort it. Gus was so wrong in his behaviour but right about management above him. It will take years now to rebuild i fear , a team capable of prem football, i just hope new fans hang around. Having great training facilities is wonderful for us but it will not fill amex . Only top players and product will do that. Just a thought but may be there is an underlying policy to niw sell the club to a Russian or arab. Because that is ghe kind of money required now to build a team Far gull
  • Score: 5

7:39am Sun 6 Apr 14

Albion In Staffs says...

This thread is full of comments effectively claiming a divine right for success, which is daft. (it's also populated by numptys trying to become keyboard heroes but let's not go there.)
It's pretty clear the squad is not good enough to mount a serious challenge and also fairly obvious that OG needs his first full summer to create a squad that includes players capable of playing how he wants.
Square pegs, round holes, has been the case all season and had he changed his style to suit the players available, it would have been a short term measure destined to mess up the longer term plan.
To me it's clear he's developing an overall style that he wants and can use the summer to bring in people who are better suited to it than those we currently have.
If we're in a similar state next season then perhaps we can ask the questions. Not now.
This thread is full of comments effectively claiming a divine right for success, which is daft. (it's also populated by numptys trying to become keyboard heroes but let's not go there.) It's pretty clear the squad is not good enough to mount a serious challenge and also fairly obvious that OG needs his first full summer to create a squad that includes players capable of playing how he wants. Square pegs, round holes, has been the case all season and had he changed his style to suit the players available, it would have been a short term measure destined to mess up the longer term plan. To me it's clear he's developing an overall style that he wants and can use the summer to bring in people who are better suited to it than those we currently have. If we're in a similar state next season then perhaps we can ask the questions. Not now. Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 4

8:09am Sun 6 Apr 14

East of CrawleyDown says...

Last night on tv Oscar came on and spoke, it was only a few words and nothing prophetic, but it was words nonetheless, why suddenly has this happened? It could be that someone at the club has insisted he should be available for post match interview to show who is responsible for first team affairs, even though NJ is heavily involved on that front.
Last night on tv Oscar came on and spoke, it was only a few words and nothing prophetic, but it was words nonetheless, why suddenly has this happened? It could be that someone at the club has insisted he should be available for post match interview to show who is responsible for first team affairs, even though NJ is heavily involved on that front. East of CrawleyDown
  • Score: 2

8:35am Sun 6 Apr 14

OldGull says...

Albion In Staffs wrote:
This thread is full of comments effectively claiming a divine right for success, which is daft. (it's also populated by numptys trying to become keyboard heroes but let's not go there.)
It's pretty clear the squad is not good enough to mount a serious challenge and also fairly obvious that OG needs his first full summer to create a squad that includes players capable of playing how he wants.
Square pegs, round holes, has been the case all season and had he changed his style to suit the players available, it would have been a short term measure destined to mess up the longer term plan.
To me it's clear he's developing an overall style that he wants and can use the summer to bring in people who are better suited to it than those we currently have.
If we're in a similar state next season then perhaps we can ask the questions. Not now.
Totally agree
If we are in the same position this time next year, still struggling to score goals.
I will hold my hands up and say I was wrong . And OG is not the man.

But for the rest of this season and next I will still support OG and keep the faith.
For those of you who are old enough, Just remember when Bamber brought in Clough & Taylor in Nov 73. We finished 19th in div 3 and 19th again the following season. Most of you on this site would have called for Taylor to leave. Fortunately Bamber kept the faith and Taylor took us to 4th next season and assembled the team that strolled to promotion under Mullery.
Sometimes you have to be patient
UTA
[quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: This thread is full of comments effectively claiming a divine right for success, which is daft. (it's also populated by numptys trying to become keyboard heroes but let's not go there.) It's pretty clear the squad is not good enough to mount a serious challenge and also fairly obvious that OG needs his first full summer to create a squad that includes players capable of playing how he wants. Square pegs, round holes, has been the case all season and had he changed his style to suit the players available, it would have been a short term measure destined to mess up the longer term plan. To me it's clear he's developing an overall style that he wants and can use the summer to bring in people who are better suited to it than those we currently have. If we're in a similar state next season then perhaps we can ask the questions. Not now.[/p][/quote]Totally agree If we are in the same position this time next year, still struggling to score goals. I will hold my hands up and say I was wrong . And OG is not the man. But for the rest of this season and next I will still support OG and keep the faith. For those of you who are old enough, Just remember when Bamber brought in Clough & Taylor in Nov 73. We finished 19th in div 3 and 19th again the following season. Most of you on this site would have called for Taylor to leave. Fortunately Bamber kept the faith and Taylor took us to 4th next season and assembled the team that strolled to promotion under Mullery. Sometimes you have to be patient UTA OldGull
  • Score: 4

9:31am Sun 6 Apr 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

Albion In Staffs wrote:
This thread is full of comments effectively claiming a divine right for success, which is daft. (it's also populated by numptys trying to become keyboard heroes but let's not go there.)
It's pretty clear the squad is not good enough to mount a serious challenge and also fairly obvious that OG needs his first full summer to create a squad that includes players capable of playing how he wants.
Square pegs, round holes, has been the case all season and had he changed his style to suit the players available, it would have been a short term measure destined to mess up the longer term plan.
To me it's clear he's developing an overall style that he wants and can use the summer to bring in people who are better suited to it than those we currently have.
If we're in a similar state next season then perhaps we can ask the questions. Not now.
Absolutely, OG has a style he wants to play but does not yet have the players to implement it. Liverpool were poor in their first season under Rodgers, but the second season saw them purr like a Rolls Royce. No point making any kind of serious judgements about the guy until Christmas.
[quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: This thread is full of comments effectively claiming a divine right for success, which is daft. (it's also populated by numptys trying to become keyboard heroes but let's not go there.) It's pretty clear the squad is not good enough to mount a serious challenge and also fairly obvious that OG needs his first full summer to create a squad that includes players capable of playing how he wants. Square pegs, round holes, has been the case all season and had he changed his style to suit the players available, it would have been a short term measure destined to mess up the longer term plan. To me it's clear he's developing an overall style that he wants and can use the summer to bring in people who are better suited to it than those we currently have. If we're in a similar state next season then perhaps we can ask the questions. Not now.[/p][/quote]Absolutely, OG has a style he wants to play but does not yet have the players to implement it. Liverpool were poor in their first season under Rodgers, but the second season saw them purr like a Rolls Royce. No point making any kind of serious judgements about the guy until Christmas. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 1

11:36am Sun 6 Apr 14

mark by the sea says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
This thread is full of comments effectively claiming a divine right for success, which is daft. (it's also populated by numptys trying to become keyboard heroes but let's not go there.)
It's pretty clear the squad is not good enough to mount a serious challenge and also fairly obvious that OG needs his first full summer to create a squad that includes players capable of playing how he wants.
Square pegs, round holes, has been the case all season and had he changed his style to suit the players available, it would have been a short term measure destined to mess up the longer term plan.
To me it's clear he's developing an overall style that he wants and can use the summer to bring in people who are better suited to it than those we currently have.
If we're in a similar state next season then perhaps we can ask the questions. Not now.
Absolutely, OG has a style he wants to play but does not yet have the players to implement it. Liverpool were poor in their first season under Rodgers, but the second season saw them purr like a Rolls Royce. No point making any kind of serious judgements about the guy until Christmas.
Your quoting about one manager meaning failure will bring success,
How on earth is OG going to build a squad with Burke in charge of recruitment, yes clubs have football directors etc, but in reality they are there to assist the coach .. I am in doubt this is the case with OG this season,
I base this on the players who have been signed, who has set the world on fire with the exception of ward?
My other point Arnie was we had one fit forward for a substantial period running up to Xmas, and the sale of Barnes has cost us 10 points in my opinion.. That sale was on the cards in July 2013 when he turned down a offer from the club,
I am not against OG but has he control enough to have a squad capable of a challenge, I say that in the doubt of the quality signed to date!
Bosch is right on one point though, hy have the club come out and stated Dunk has a future at the club but not TK ?
I have to wonder about if OG has confidence in Dunk, Greer has had a very poor run of form, and if Dunk was half as good as some think he should have been selected and Greer dropped.
This season has been pretty dire, not scoring 50 goals , a lack of real creative ability , and some strange signings .
Yes it's been a success in terms of our position, but how many times have we been top 6?
The Amex has been uninspiring in terms of excitement and that's the reason massive gaps have appeared with empty seats during the last few home games..
The squad has been thin on the ground , yes we have had injuries , but cms and Hoskins were never really going to play any part in the season and that was known since last march.
I am not all doom, but are we all confident in the set up and who is calling the shots?
With regards to jones, his cv is average for a lower league player, he has achieved very little as a coach other than speaking Spanish, does anyone think he would have been employed had we signed a Italian manager?
Arnie you state he is developing a style? I can't see any great changes to the midfield, crofts Stephens ince jfc and march will all be here next season,
OG has had every opportunity to play something different to this tip tap negative stuff we have endured,
I have to say that there are to many questions not being answered by the club, Burke is the one meeting prospective signings, grabbon and the guy who signed for millwall..
Who is excepting the buck stops with them over signings? If it's Burke OG and jones then will all three be sacked if things don't improve?
I fear for the manager if we allow players to walk who should be signed up on three year deals .. TK should be offered a deal now, upson Calderon , and the club need to contact wolves over ward and strike a deal, or will he be signed by another club? We need to be pro active q, and that's about it, knee jerk signings like kemy , Rodriguez.
The future is bright , we need to state that our intentions are premier football, clearly FFP won't be doing anything, clubs will challenge the legality of a outside party sating how a company can run there affairs.. The Leeds new owner simply went to court because he is not banned in this country from being a director of a company.
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: This thread is full of comments effectively claiming a divine right for success, which is daft. (it's also populated by numptys trying to become keyboard heroes but let's not go there.) It's pretty clear the squad is not good enough to mount a serious challenge and also fairly obvious that OG needs his first full summer to create a squad that includes players capable of playing how he wants. Square pegs, round holes, has been the case all season and had he changed his style to suit the players available, it would have been a short term measure destined to mess up the longer term plan. To me it's clear he's developing an overall style that he wants and can use the summer to bring in people who are better suited to it than those we currently have. If we're in a similar state next season then perhaps we can ask the questions. Not now.[/p][/quote]Absolutely, OG has a style he wants to play but does not yet have the players to implement it. Liverpool were poor in their first season under Rodgers, but the second season saw them purr like a Rolls Royce. No point making any kind of serious judgements about the guy until Christmas.[/p][/quote]Your quoting about one manager meaning failure will bring success, How on earth is OG going to build a squad with Burke in charge of recruitment, yes clubs have football directors etc, but in reality they are there to assist the coach .. I am in doubt this is the case with OG this season, I base this on the players who have been signed, who has set the world on fire with the exception of ward? My other point Arnie was we had one fit forward for a substantial period running up to Xmas, and the sale of Barnes has cost us 10 points in my opinion.. That sale was on the cards in July 2013 when he turned down a offer from the club, I am not against OG but has he control enough to have a squad capable of a challenge, I say that in the doubt of the quality signed to date! Bosch is right on one point though, hy have the club come out and stated Dunk has a future at the club but not TK ? I have to wonder about if OG has confidence in Dunk, Greer has had a very poor run of form, and if Dunk was half as good as some think he should have been selected and Greer dropped. This season has been pretty dire, not scoring 50 goals , a lack of real creative ability , and some strange signings . Yes it's been a success in terms of our position, but how many times have we been top 6? The Amex has been uninspiring in terms of excitement and that's the reason massive gaps have appeared with empty seats during the last few home games.. The squad has been thin on the ground , yes we have had injuries , but cms and Hoskins were never really going to play any part in the season and that was known since last march. I am not all doom, but are we all confident in the set up and who is calling the shots? With regards to jones, his cv is average for a lower league player, he has achieved very little as a coach other than speaking Spanish, does anyone think he would have been employed had we signed a Italian manager? Arnie you state he is developing a style? I can't see any great changes to the midfield, crofts Stephens ince jfc and march will all be here next season, OG has had every opportunity to play something different to this tip tap negative stuff we have endured, I have to say that there are to many questions not being answered by the club, Burke is the one meeting prospective signings, grabbon and the guy who signed for millwall.. Who is excepting the buck stops with them over signings? If it's Burke OG and jones then will all three be sacked if things don't improve? I fear for the manager if we allow players to walk who should be signed up on three year deals .. TK should be offered a deal now, upson Calderon , and the club need to contact wolves over ward and strike a deal, or will he be signed by another club? We need to be pro active q, and that's about it, knee jerk signings like kemy , Rodriguez. The future is bright , we need to state that our intentions are premier football, clearly FFP won't be doing anything, clubs will challenge the legality of a outside party sating how a company can run there affairs.. The Leeds new owner simply went to court because he is not banned in this country from being a director of a company. mark by the sea
  • Score: 3

1:50pm Sun 6 Apr 14

WisdomSpeaks says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
This thread is full of comments effectively claiming a divine right for success, which is daft. (it's also populated by numptys trying to become keyboard heroes but let's not go there.)
It's pretty clear the squad is not good enough to mount a serious challenge and also fairly obvious that OG needs his first full summer to create a squad that includes players capable of playing how he wants.
Square pegs, round holes, has been the case all season and had he changed his style to suit the players available, it would have been a short term measure destined to mess up the longer term plan.
To me it's clear he's developing an overall style that he wants and can use the summer to bring in people who are better suited to it than those we currently have.
If we're in a similar state next season then perhaps we can ask the questions. Not now.
Absolutely, OG has a style he wants to play but does not yet have the players to implement it. Liverpool were poor in their first season under Rodgers, but the second season saw them purr like a Rolls Royce. No point making any kind of serious judgements about the guy until Christmas.
Your quoting about one manager meaning failure will bring success,
How on earth is OG going to build a squad with Burke in charge of recruitment, yes clubs have football directors etc, but in reality they are there to assist the coach .. I am in doubt this is the case with OG this season,
I base this on the players who have been signed, who has set the world on fire with the exception of ward?
My other point Arnie was we had one fit forward for a substantial period running up to Xmas, and the sale of Barnes has cost us 10 points in my opinion.. That sale was on the cards in July 2013 when he turned down a offer from the club,
I am not against OG but has he control enough to have a squad capable of a challenge, I say that in the doubt of the quality signed to date!
Bosch is right on one point though, hy have the club come out and stated Dunk has a future at the club but not TK ?
I have to wonder about if OG has confidence in Dunk, Greer has had a very poor run of form, and if Dunk was half as good as some think he should have been selected and Greer dropped.
This season has been pretty dire, not scoring 50 goals , a lack of real creative ability , and some strange signings .
Yes it's been a success in terms of our position, but how many times have we been top 6?
The Amex has been uninspiring in terms of excitement and that's the reason massive gaps have appeared with empty seats during the last few home games..
The squad has been thin on the ground , yes we have had injuries , but cms and Hoskins were never really going to play any part in the season and that was known since last march.
I am not all doom, but are we all confident in the set up and who is calling the shots?
With regards to jones, his cv is average for a lower league player, he has achieved very little as a coach other than speaking Spanish, does anyone think he would have been employed had we signed a Italian manager?
Arnie you state he is developing a style? I can't see any great changes to the midfield, crofts Stephens ince jfc and march will all be here next season,
OG has had every opportunity to play something different to this tip tap negative stuff we have endured,
I have to say that there are to many questions not being answered by the club, Burke is the one meeting prospective signings, grabbon and the guy who signed for millwall..
Who is excepting the buck stops with them over signings? If it's Burke OG and jones then will all three be sacked if things don't improve?
I fear for the manager if we allow players to walk who should be signed up on three year deals .. TK should be offered a deal now, upson Calderon , and the club need to contact wolves over ward and strike a deal, or will he be signed by another club? We need to be pro active q, and that's about it, knee jerk signings like kemy , Rodriguez.
The future is bright , we need to state that our intentions are premier football, clearly FFP won't be doing anything, clubs will challenge the legality of a outside party sating how a company can run there affairs.. The Leeds new owner simply went to court because he is not banned in this country from being a director of a company.
Great post. Absolutely spot on. I've been banging on about this set up ever since the appointment of D of F.

It's not that the position itself is necessarily wrong, especially when we have a lovely Chairman who is so clearly dedicated to the club and has to spend a great deal of time abroad as his delightful wife is an Australian and naturally they wish to spend time together out there and away from the day to day action.

What I'm suggesting is that if the club collectively decide they want a D of F then make it an appointment made by the Manager/Head Coach. He/she HAS to be someone with in whom the Manager has total and absolute faith. They must both be on the same wave length about how they want the game to be played. They must have a real connection almost like lovers (without the sex of course - unless that's also their thing!) but they must be in tune. They must be free to choose every football position in the club. All the scouts, trainers, fitness coaches etc. None of this mish mash we have there at present. The lack of cohesion on the field at times is a reflection of what's going on above.

Can you imagine a player coming to consider signing for the club and he sits in front of David Burke or someone such as Johan Cruyff or his son even. Who would you be more inclined to sign for? I'm sure David Burke has a place in the world of football I just don't believe it is as a D of F.

It wouldn't matter who is manager or Head Coach with this set up - we wouldn't scale the real heights. That's why I think Oscar has done so well. most people supporting aren't interested in what goes on behind the scenes but they ought to be. Do you ever hear Oscar whining or moaning or being dis respectful towards us the fans, officials, other managers or the games authorities - no - because he understands that what goes out has to come back. He talks only about what he wants and not what he doesn't want and I truly believe if he were to have total control over who we engage on the football front we would see the best of him and of our club.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: This thread is full of comments effectively claiming a divine right for success, which is daft. (it's also populated by numptys trying to become keyboard heroes but let's not go there.) It's pretty clear the squad is not good enough to mount a serious challenge and also fairly obvious that OG needs his first full summer to create a squad that includes players capable of playing how he wants. Square pegs, round holes, has been the case all season and had he changed his style to suit the players available, it would have been a short term measure destined to mess up the longer term plan. To me it's clear he's developing an overall style that he wants and can use the summer to bring in people who are better suited to it than those we currently have. If we're in a similar state next season then perhaps we can ask the questions. Not now.[/p][/quote]Absolutely, OG has a style he wants to play but does not yet have the players to implement it. Liverpool were poor in their first season under Rodgers, but the second season saw them purr like a Rolls Royce. No point making any kind of serious judgements about the guy until Christmas.[/p][/quote]Your quoting about one manager meaning failure will bring success, How on earth is OG going to build a squad with Burke in charge of recruitment, yes clubs have football directors etc, but in reality they are there to assist the coach .. I am in doubt this is the case with OG this season, I base this on the players who have been signed, who has set the world on fire with the exception of ward? My other point Arnie was we had one fit forward for a substantial period running up to Xmas, and the sale of Barnes has cost us 10 points in my opinion.. That sale was on the cards in July 2013 when he turned down a offer from the club, I am not against OG but has he control enough to have a squad capable of a challenge, I say that in the doubt of the quality signed to date! Bosch is right on one point though, hy have the club come out and stated Dunk has a future at the club but not TK ? I have to wonder about if OG has confidence in Dunk, Greer has had a very poor run of form, and if Dunk was half as good as some think he should have been selected and Greer dropped. This season has been pretty dire, not scoring 50 goals , a lack of real creative ability , and some strange signings . Yes it's been a success in terms of our position, but how many times have we been top 6? The Amex has been uninspiring in terms of excitement and that's the reason massive gaps have appeared with empty seats during the last few home games.. The squad has been thin on the ground , yes we have had injuries , but cms and Hoskins were never really going to play any part in the season and that was known since last march. I am not all doom, but are we all confident in the set up and who is calling the shots? With regards to jones, his cv is average for a lower league player, he has achieved very little as a coach other than speaking Spanish, does anyone think he would have been employed had we signed a Italian manager? Arnie you state he is developing a style? I can't see any great changes to the midfield, crofts Stephens ince jfc and march will all be here next season, OG has had every opportunity to play something different to this tip tap negative stuff we have endured, I have to say that there are to many questions not being answered by the club, Burke is the one meeting prospective signings, grabbon and the guy who signed for millwall.. Who is excepting the buck stops with them over signings? If it's Burke OG and jones then will all three be sacked if things don't improve? I fear for the manager if we allow players to walk who should be signed up on three year deals .. TK should be offered a deal now, upson Calderon , and the club need to contact wolves over ward and strike a deal, or will he be signed by another club? We need to be pro active q, and that's about it, knee jerk signings like kemy , Rodriguez. The future is bright , we need to state that our intentions are premier football, clearly FFP won't be doing anything, clubs will challenge the legality of a outside party sating how a company can run there affairs.. The Leeds new owner simply went to court because he is not banned in this country from being a director of a company.[/p][/quote]Great post. Absolutely spot on. I've been banging on about this set up ever since the appointment of D of F. It's not that the position itself is necessarily wrong, especially when we have a lovely Chairman who is so clearly dedicated to the club and has to spend a great deal of time abroad as his delightful wife is an Australian and naturally they wish to spend time together out there and away from the day to day action. What I'm suggesting is that if the club collectively decide they want a D of F then make it an appointment made by the Manager/Head Coach. He/she HAS to be someone with in whom the Manager has total and absolute faith. They must both be on the same wave length about how they want the game to be played. They must have a real connection almost like lovers (without the sex of course - unless that's also their thing!) but they must be in tune. They must be free to choose every football position in the club. All the scouts, trainers, fitness coaches etc. None of this mish mash we have there at present. The lack of cohesion on the field at times is a reflection of what's going on above. Can you imagine a player coming to consider signing for the club and he sits in front of David Burke or someone such as Johan Cruyff or his son even. Who would you be more inclined to sign for? I'm sure David Burke has a place in the world of football I just don't believe it is as a D of F. It wouldn't matter who is manager or Head Coach with this set up - we wouldn't scale the real heights. That's why I think Oscar has done so well. most people supporting aren't interested in what goes on behind the scenes but they ought to be. Do you ever hear Oscar whining or moaning or being dis respectful towards us the fans, officials, other managers or the games authorities - no - because he understands that what goes out has to come back. He talks only about what he wants and not what he doesn't want and I truly believe if he were to have total control over who we engage on the football front we would see the best of him and of our club. WisdomSpeaks
  • Score: -1

2:49pm Sun 6 Apr 14

Albion In Staffs says...

WisdomSpeaks wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
This thread is full of comments effectively claiming a divine right for success, which is daft. (it's also populated by numptys trying to become keyboard heroes but let's not go there.)
It's pretty clear the squad is not good enough to mount a serious challenge and also fairly obvious that OG needs his first full summer to create a squad that includes players capable of playing how he wants.
Square pegs, round holes, has been the case all season and had he changed his style to suit the players available, it would have been a short term measure destined to mess up the longer term plan.
To me it's clear he's developing an overall style that he wants and can use the summer to bring in people who are better suited to it than those we currently have.
If we're in a similar state next season then perhaps we can ask the questions. Not now.
Absolutely, OG has a style he wants to play but does not yet have the players to implement it. Liverpool were poor in their first season under Rodgers, but the second season saw them purr like a Rolls Royce. No point making any kind of serious judgements about the guy until Christmas.
Your quoting about one manager meaning failure will bring success,
How on earth is OG going to build a squad with Burke in charge of recruitment, yes clubs have football directors etc, but in reality they are there to assist the coach .. I am in doubt this is the case with OG this season,
I base this on the players who have been signed, who has set the world on fire with the exception of ward?
My other point Arnie was we had one fit forward for a substantial period running up to Xmas, and the sale of Barnes has cost us 10 points in my opinion.. That sale was on the cards in July 2013 when he turned down a offer from the club,
I am not against OG but has he control enough to have a squad capable of a challenge, I say that in the doubt of the quality signed to date!
Bosch is right on one point though, hy have the club come out and stated Dunk has a future at the club but not TK ?
I have to wonder about if OG has confidence in Dunk, Greer has had a very poor run of form, and if Dunk was half as good as some think he should have been selected and Greer dropped.
This season has been pretty dire, not scoring 50 goals , a lack of real creative ability , and some strange signings .
Yes it's been a success in terms of our position, but how many times have we been top 6?
The Amex has been uninspiring in terms of excitement and that's the reason massive gaps have appeared with empty seats during the last few home games..
The squad has been thin on the ground , yes we have had injuries , but cms and Hoskins were never really going to play any part in the season and that was known since last march.
I am not all doom, but are we all confident in the set up and who is calling the shots?
With regards to jones, his cv is average for a lower league player, he has achieved very little as a coach other than speaking Spanish, does anyone think he would have been employed had we signed a Italian manager?
Arnie you state he is developing a style? I can't see any great changes to the midfield, crofts Stephens ince jfc and march will all be here next season,
OG has had every opportunity to play something different to this tip tap negative stuff we have endured,
I have to say that there are to many questions not being answered by the club, Burke is the one meeting prospective signings, grabbon and the guy who signed for millwall..
Who is excepting the buck stops with them over signings? If it's Burke OG and jones then will all three be sacked if things don't improve?
I fear for the manager if we allow players to walk who should be signed up on three year deals .. TK should be offered a deal now, upson Calderon , and the club need to contact wolves over ward and strike a deal, or will he be signed by another club? We need to be pro active q, and that's about it, knee jerk signings like kemy , Rodriguez.
The future is bright , we need to state that our intentions are premier football, clearly FFP won't be doing anything, clubs will challenge the legality of a outside party sating how a company can run there affairs.. The Leeds new owner simply went to court because he is not banned in this country from being a director of a company.
Great post. Absolutely spot on. I've been banging on about this set up ever since the appointment of D of F.

It's not that the position itself is necessarily wrong, especially when we have a lovely Chairman who is so clearly dedicated to the club and has to spend a great deal of time abroad as his delightful wife is an Australian and naturally they wish to spend time together out there and away from the day to day action.

What I'm suggesting is that if the club collectively decide they want a D of F then make it an appointment made by the Manager/Head Coach. He/she HAS to be someone with in whom the Manager has total and absolute faith. They must both be on the same wave length about how they want the game to be played. They must have a real connection almost like lovers (without the sex of course - unless that's also their thing!) but they must be in tune. They must be free to choose every football position in the club. All the scouts, trainers, fitness coaches etc. None of this mish mash we have there at present. The lack of cohesion on the field at times is a reflection of what's going on above.

Can you imagine a player coming to consider signing for the club and he sits in front of David Burke or someone such as Johan Cruyff or his son even. Who would you be more inclined to sign for? I'm sure David Burke has a place in the world of football I just don't believe it is as a D of F.

It wouldn't matter who is manager or Head Coach with this set up - we wouldn't scale the real heights. That's why I think Oscar has done so well. most people supporting aren't interested in what goes on behind the scenes but they ought to be. Do you ever hear Oscar whining or moaning or being dis respectful towards us the fans, officials, other managers or the games authorities - no - because he understands that what goes out has to come back. He talks only about what he wants and not what he doesn't want and I truly believe if he were to have total control over who we engage on the football front we would see the best of him and of our club.
Two things about the two replies:
Firstly the club has repeatedly stated its long term ambition to reach the PL, they can't keep doing it every week.
Secondly the club has also illustrated the signing process which DID include OG. There's a difference between facts and what people want to believe because it suits them.
If Grabban didn't sign because of a poor salary offer, that's not Burke's fault. OG didn't have a full summer last year and signings through the season are sticking plasters over gaping wounds. Just because OG is the quiet type, don't assume he's not assertive.
[quote][p][bold]WisdomSpeaks[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: This thread is full of comments effectively claiming a divine right for success, which is daft. (it's also populated by numptys trying to become keyboard heroes but let's not go there.) It's pretty clear the squad is not good enough to mount a serious challenge and also fairly obvious that OG needs his first full summer to create a squad that includes players capable of playing how he wants. Square pegs, round holes, has been the case all season and had he changed his style to suit the players available, it would have been a short term measure destined to mess up the longer term plan. To me it's clear he's developing an overall style that he wants and can use the summer to bring in people who are better suited to it than those we currently have. If we're in a similar state next season then perhaps we can ask the questions. Not now.[/p][/quote]Absolutely, OG has a style he wants to play but does not yet have the players to implement it. Liverpool were poor in their first season under Rodgers, but the second season saw them purr like a Rolls Royce. No point making any kind of serious judgements about the guy until Christmas.[/p][/quote]Your quoting about one manager meaning failure will bring success, How on earth is OG going to build a squad with Burke in charge of recruitment, yes clubs have football directors etc, but in reality they are there to assist the coach .. I am in doubt this is the case with OG this season, I base this on the players who have been signed, who has set the world on fire with the exception of ward? My other point Arnie was we had one fit forward for a substantial period running up to Xmas, and the sale of Barnes has cost us 10 points in my opinion.. That sale was on the cards in July 2013 when he turned down a offer from the club, I am not against OG but has he control enough to have a squad capable of a challenge, I say that in the doubt of the quality signed to date! Bosch is right on one point though, hy have the club come out and stated Dunk has a future at the club but not TK ? I have to wonder about if OG has confidence in Dunk, Greer has had a very poor run of form, and if Dunk was half as good as some think he should have been selected and Greer dropped. This season has been pretty dire, not scoring 50 goals , a lack of real creative ability , and some strange signings . Yes it's been a success in terms of our position, but how many times have we been top 6? The Amex has been uninspiring in terms of excitement and that's the reason massive gaps have appeared with empty seats during the last few home games.. The squad has been thin on the ground , yes we have had injuries , but cms and Hoskins were never really going to play any part in the season and that was known since last march. I am not all doom, but are we all confident in the set up and who is calling the shots? With regards to jones, his cv is average for a lower league player, he has achieved very little as a coach other than speaking Spanish, does anyone think he would have been employed had we signed a Italian manager? Arnie you state he is developing a style? I can't see any great changes to the midfield, crofts Stephens ince jfc and march will all be here next season, OG has had every opportunity to play something different to this tip tap negative stuff we have endured, I have to say that there are to many questions not being answered by the club, Burke is the one meeting prospective signings, grabbon and the guy who signed for millwall.. Who is excepting the buck stops with them over signings? If it's Burke OG and jones then will all three be sacked if things don't improve? I fear for the manager if we allow players to walk who should be signed up on three year deals .. TK should be offered a deal now, upson Calderon , and the club need to contact wolves over ward and strike a deal, or will he be signed by another club? We need to be pro active q, and that's about it, knee jerk signings like kemy , Rodriguez. The future is bright , we need to state that our intentions are premier football, clearly FFP won't be doing anything, clubs will challenge the legality of a outside party sating how a company can run there affairs.. The Leeds new owner simply went to court because he is not banned in this country from being a director of a company.[/p][/quote]Great post. Absolutely spot on. I've been banging on about this set up ever since the appointment of D of F. It's not that the position itself is necessarily wrong, especially when we have a lovely Chairman who is so clearly dedicated to the club and has to spend a great deal of time abroad as his delightful wife is an Australian and naturally they wish to spend time together out there and away from the day to day action. What I'm suggesting is that if the club collectively decide they want a D of F then make it an appointment made by the Manager/Head Coach. He/she HAS to be someone with in whom the Manager has total and absolute faith. They must both be on the same wave length about how they want the game to be played. They must have a real connection almost like lovers (without the sex of course - unless that's also their thing!) but they must be in tune. They must be free to choose every football position in the club. All the scouts, trainers, fitness coaches etc. None of this mish mash we have there at present. The lack of cohesion on the field at times is a reflection of what's going on above. Can you imagine a player coming to consider signing for the club and he sits in front of David Burke or someone such as Johan Cruyff or his son even. Who would you be more inclined to sign for? I'm sure David Burke has a place in the world of football I just don't believe it is as a D of F. It wouldn't matter who is manager or Head Coach with this set up - we wouldn't scale the real heights. That's why I think Oscar has done so well. most people supporting aren't interested in what goes on behind the scenes but they ought to be. Do you ever hear Oscar whining or moaning or being dis respectful towards us the fans, officials, other managers or the games authorities - no - because he understands that what goes out has to come back. He talks only about what he wants and not what he doesn't want and I truly believe if he were to have total control over who we engage on the football front we would see the best of him and of our club.[/p][/quote]Two things about the two replies: Firstly the club has repeatedly stated its long term ambition to reach the PL, they can't keep doing it every week. Secondly the club has also illustrated the signing process which DID include OG. There's a difference between facts and what people want to believe because it suits them. If Grabban didn't sign because of a poor salary offer, that's not Burke's fault. OG didn't have a full summer last year and signings through the season are sticking plasters over gaping wounds. Just because OG is the quiet type, don't assume he's not assertive. Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 3

3:23pm Sun 6 Apr 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

I think is accepted that the talks between the club and Grabban didn't even get as far as salary. Grabban used us as nothing more than a bargaining chip for his negotiations with Bournemouth. Therefore to blame Burke for the non-signing is unfair at best.
I think is accepted that the talks between the club and Grabban didn't even get as far as salary. Grabban used us as nothing more than a bargaining chip for his negotiations with Bournemouth. Therefore to blame Burke for the non-signing is unfair at best. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: -1

3:45pm Sun 6 Apr 14

mark by the sea says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
I think is accepted that the talks between the club and Grabban didn't even get as far as salary. Grabban used us as nothing more than a bargaining chip for his negotiations with Bournemouth. Therefore to blame Burke for the non-signing is unfair at best.
Complete rubbish! Grabban had a medical! Do you really think he would travel to the Amex without wages being sorted? That's the agents job!
The player would know what was on offer before he came to the Amex , what changed his mind when he got here? It can't have been the set up,
Really Arnie your so far out of touch in football matters, the agent would sort out wages , expenses with moving, bonus , goal bonus ... Clause on being sold, when he arrived seeing the Amex should have been the final straw.
As for the MK dons player he met Burke as we played away that weekend.
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: I think is accepted that the talks between the club and Grabban didn't even get as far as salary. Grabban used us as nothing more than a bargaining chip for his negotiations with Bournemouth. Therefore to blame Burke for the non-signing is unfair at best.[/p][/quote]Complete rubbish! Grabban had a medical! Do you really think he would travel to the Amex without wages being sorted? That's the agents job! The player would know what was on offer before he came to the Amex , what changed his mind when he got here? It can't have been the set up, Really Arnie your so far out of touch in football matters, the agent would sort out wages , expenses with moving, bonus , goal bonus ... Clause on being sold, when he arrived seeing the Amex should have been the final straw. As for the MK dons player he met Burke as we played away that weekend. mark by the sea
  • Score: 3

3:48pm Sun 6 Apr 14

gordongull says...

This summer could go one of two ways:
Scenario A
There will be a sharp reduction in player wages and transfer fees because of FFP. The majority of clubs will take every action possible to avoid a January transfer embargo. Players will be forced to accept less - they can't all go to parachute clubs. The healthy wages-to-turnover ratio at B&HA will give us a significant advantage in the transfer market.
This is the outcome that the Club is planning for, and is the reason why all contract negotiations are on hold.
Scenario B
FFP has little effect, as promotion chasing clubs continue to take financial risks in their quest for top flight football. Although B&HA becomes financially secure, we are unlikely to be competing for automatic promotion and a downside could be a fall in attendances. This is particularly likely if current playing policy is continued irrespective of the ability of players to make it succeed.
Whatever the situation, when the finances for player recruitment are severely restricted, it is vital that they are targeted effectively. You don't have to be a genius to know that players like Tomasz Kuszczack and Wayne Bridge will be good for your team, but such players could now be too expensive to consider. What is needed is someone with the skill and perception to discover players with potential, such as Ricky Lambert, (£1m from Bristol City).
There is little sign that anyone at the club involved with recruitment has the necessary ability to find or attract the right players. David Burke has experience in these matters, but Eddie the Eagle has experience at skiing.
It is Oscar's team, and he should be given a free hand to acquire the players he requires to build it, within the financial constraints. He needs to be given the title of Manager, and while coaching the team, he can delegate scouting and recruitment to people who he appoints, and trusts.
The Club appears to be run professionally, but on the playing side it lacks focus, direction and shrewdness in the transfer market.
Oscar can provide these if he is given the platform from which to do so.
This summer could go one of two ways: Scenario A There will be a sharp reduction in player wages and transfer fees because of FFP. The majority of clubs will take every action possible to avoid a January transfer embargo. Players will be forced to accept less - they can't all go to parachute clubs. The healthy wages-to-turnover ratio at B&HA will give us a significant advantage in the transfer market. This is the outcome that the Club is planning for, and is the reason why all contract negotiations are on hold. Scenario B FFP has little effect, as promotion chasing clubs continue to take financial risks in their quest for top flight football. Although B&HA becomes financially secure, we are unlikely to be competing for automatic promotion and a downside could be a fall in attendances. This is particularly likely if current playing policy is continued irrespective of the ability of players to make it succeed. Whatever the situation, when the finances for player recruitment are severely restricted, it is vital that they are targeted effectively. You don't have to be a genius to know that players like Tomasz Kuszczack and Wayne Bridge will be good for your team, but such players could now be too expensive to consider. What is needed is someone with the skill and perception to discover players with potential, such as Ricky Lambert, (£1m from Bristol City). There is little sign that anyone at the club involved with recruitment has the necessary ability to find or attract the right players. David Burke has experience in these matters, but Eddie the Eagle has experience at skiing. It is Oscar's team, and he should be given a free hand to acquire the players he requires to build it, within the financial constraints. He needs to be given the title of Manager, and while coaching the team, he can delegate scouting and recruitment to people who he appoints, and trusts. The Club appears to be run professionally, but on the playing side it lacks focus, direction and shrewdness in the transfer market. Oscar can provide these if he is given the platform from which to do so. gordongull
  • Score: 0

4:02pm Sun 6 Apr 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
I think is accepted that the talks between the club and Grabban didn't even get as far as salary. Grabban used us as nothing more than a bargaining chip for his negotiations with Bournemouth. Therefore to blame Burke for the non-signing is unfair at best.
Complete rubbish! Grabban had a medical! Do you really think he would travel to the Amex without wages being sorted? That's the agents job!
The player would know what was on offer before he came to the Amex , what changed his mind when he got here? It can't have been the set up,
Really Arnie your so far out of touch in football matters, the agent would sort out wages , expenses with moving, bonus , goal bonus ... Clause on being sold, when he arrived seeing the Amex should have been the final straw.
As for the MK dons player he met Burke as we played away that weekend.
You really are an arrogant and aggressive so and so aren't you? The medical was one of the bargaining tools. And, by the way, players often have medicals during or before contract negotiations. And before you claim to be always right, remind me again about Barnes missing the first four game of the season through injury? You love to come over as having a greater insight into professional football but really you come over like a ranting teenager.
teenager who uses bluster and confidence to mask gaps in your logic.

Good to see you being named on Naylor's Twitter feed as one of the sane contributors on this thread. Oh no, that wasn't you was it?
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: I think is accepted that the talks between the club and Grabban didn't even get as far as salary. Grabban used us as nothing more than a bargaining chip for his negotiations with Bournemouth. Therefore to blame Burke for the non-signing is unfair at best.[/p][/quote]Complete rubbish! Grabban had a medical! Do you really think he would travel to the Amex without wages being sorted? That's the agents job! The player would know what was on offer before he came to the Amex , what changed his mind when he got here? It can't have been the set up, Really Arnie your so far out of touch in football matters, the agent would sort out wages , expenses with moving, bonus , goal bonus ... Clause on being sold, when he arrived seeing the Amex should have been the final straw. As for the MK dons player he met Burke as we played away that weekend.[/p][/quote]You really are an arrogant and aggressive so and so aren't you? The medical was one of the bargaining tools. And, by the way, players often have medicals during or before contract negotiations. And before you claim to be always right, remind me again about Barnes missing the first four game of the season through injury? You love to come over as having a greater insight into professional football but really you come over like a ranting teenager. teenager who uses bluster and confidence to mask gaps in your logic. Good to see you being named on Naylor's Twitter feed as one of the sane contributors on this thread. Oh no, that wasn't you was it? Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: -2

4:04pm Sun 6 Apr 14

VegasSeagull says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
I think is accepted that the talks between the club and Grabban didn't even get as far as salary. Grabban used us as nothing more than a bargaining chip for his negotiations with Bournemouth. Therefore to blame Burke for the non-signing is unfair at best.
Complete rubbish! Grabban had a medical! Do you really think he would travel to the Amex without wages being sorted? That's the agents job!
The player would know what was on offer before he came to the Amex , what changed his mind when he got here? It can't have been the set up,
Really Arnie your so far out of touch in football matters, the agent would sort out wages , expenses with moving, bonus , goal bonus ... Clause on being sold, when he arrived seeing the Amex should have been the final straw.
As for the MK dons player he met Burke as we played away that weekend.
Now I might be wrong but I seem to recall reading that Grabban had let it be known that he was staying with Bournemouth BEFORE he had even talked with our suits. Taking the medical just added pressure on his club to offer him the deal he wanted.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: I think is accepted that the talks between the club and Grabban didn't even get as far as salary. Grabban used us as nothing more than a bargaining chip for his negotiations with Bournemouth. Therefore to blame Burke for the non-signing is unfair at best.[/p][/quote]Complete rubbish! Grabban had a medical! Do you really think he would travel to the Amex without wages being sorted? That's the agents job! The player would know what was on offer before he came to the Amex , what changed his mind when he got here? It can't have been the set up, Really Arnie your so far out of touch in football matters, the agent would sort out wages , expenses with moving, bonus , goal bonus ... Clause on being sold, when he arrived seeing the Amex should have been the final straw. As for the MK dons player he met Burke as we played away that weekend.[/p][/quote]Now I might be wrong but I seem to recall reading that Grabban had let it be known that he was staying with Bournemouth BEFORE he had even talked with our suits. Taking the medical just added pressure on his club to offer him the deal he wanted. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 0

4:09pm Sun 6 Apr 14

mark by the sea says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
I think is accepted that the talks between the club and Grabban didn't even get as far as salary. Grabban used us as nothing more than a bargaining chip for his negotiations with Bournemouth. Therefore to blame Burke for the non-signing is unfair at best.
Complete rubbish! Grabban had a medical! Do you really think he would travel to the Amex without wages being sorted? That's the agents job!
The player would know what was on offer before he came to the Amex , what changed his mind when he got here? It can't have been the set up,
Really Arnie your so far out of touch in football matters, the agent would sort out wages , expenses with moving, bonus , goal bonus ... Clause on being sold, when he arrived seeing the Amex should have been the final straw.
As for the MK dons player he met Burke as we played away that weekend.
You really are an arrogant and aggressive so and so aren't you? The medical was one of the bargaining tools. And, by the way, players often have medicals during or before contract negotiations. And before you claim to be always right, remind me again about Barnes missing the first four game of the season through injury? You love to come over as having a greater insight into professional football but really you come over like a ranting teenager.
teenager who uses bluster and confidence to mask gaps in your logic.

Good to see you being named on Naylor's Twitter feed as one of the sane contributors on this thread. Oh no, that wasn't you was it?
Sorry your right I got the first few games wrong, but tell me Arnie , who was cover when Barnes was out for a month?
Who covered ulloa when he was banned for three games, then who covered when he missed 7 games. ..
So what your saying is Bournemouth was a bigger pull than the Albion? Even though he would have received 100k as a share of transfer? (10%)
Name the forward who covered those games Barnes or ulloa was not available? Please
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: I think is accepted that the talks between the club and Grabban didn't even get as far as salary. Grabban used us as nothing more than a bargaining chip for his negotiations with Bournemouth. Therefore to blame Burke for the non-signing is unfair at best.[/p][/quote]Complete rubbish! Grabban had a medical! Do you really think he would travel to the Amex without wages being sorted? That's the agents job! The player would know what was on offer before he came to the Amex , what changed his mind when he got here? It can't have been the set up, Really Arnie your so far out of touch in football matters, the agent would sort out wages , expenses with moving, bonus , goal bonus ... Clause on being sold, when he arrived seeing the Amex should have been the final straw. As for the MK dons player he met Burke as we played away that weekend.[/p][/quote]You really are an arrogant and aggressive so and so aren't you? The medical was one of the bargaining tools. And, by the way, players often have medicals during or before contract negotiations. And before you claim to be always right, remind me again about Barnes missing the first four game of the season through injury? You love to come over as having a greater insight into professional football but really you come over like a ranting teenager. teenager who uses bluster and confidence to mask gaps in your logic. Good to see you being named on Naylor's Twitter feed as one of the sane contributors on this thread. Oh no, that wasn't you was it?[/p][/quote]Sorry your right I got the first few games wrong, but tell me Arnie , who was cover when Barnes was out for a month? Who covered ulloa when he was banned for three games, then who covered when he missed 7 games. .. So what your saying is Bournemouth was a bigger pull than the Albion? Even though he would have received 100k as a share of transfer? (10%) Name the forward who covered those games Barnes or ulloa was not available? Please mark by the sea
  • Score: 4

5:56pm Sun 6 Apr 14

Bye bye bres says...

I know what happened about grab more money grabbin,him and the agent wanted to speak to tb,who was in aus,and in bed,they pulled out
I know what happened about grab more money grabbin,him and the agent wanted to speak to tb,who was in aus,and in bed,they pulled out Bye bye bres
  • Score: 0

8:56pm Sun 6 Apr 14

Albion In Staffs says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
I think is accepted that the talks between the club and Grabban didn't even get as far as salary. Grabban used us as nothing more than a bargaining chip for his negotiations with Bournemouth. Therefore to blame Burke for the non-signing is unfair at best.
Complete rubbish! Grabban had a medical! Do you really think he would travel to the Amex without wages being sorted? That's the agents job!
The player would know what was on offer before he came to the Amex , what changed his mind when he got here? It can't have been the set up,
Really Arnie your so far out of touch in football matters, the agent would sort out wages , expenses with moving, bonus , goal bonus ... Clause on being sold, when he arrived seeing the Amex should have been the final straw.
As for the MK dons player he met Burke as we played away that weekend.
No he wouldn't!! If they were playing us, the agent takes it as far as he can! Protocol is not in their vocabulary!!! You can have a medical and move the goalposts afterwards!! So naive!!!!
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: I think is accepted that the talks between the club and Grabban didn't even get as far as salary. Grabban used us as nothing more than a bargaining chip for his negotiations with Bournemouth. Therefore to blame Burke for the non-signing is unfair at best.[/p][/quote]Complete rubbish! Grabban had a medical! Do you really think he would travel to the Amex without wages being sorted? That's the agents job! The player would know what was on offer before he came to the Amex , what changed his mind when he got here? It can't have been the set up, Really Arnie your so far out of touch in football matters, the agent would sort out wages , expenses with moving, bonus , goal bonus ... Clause on being sold, when he arrived seeing the Amex should have been the final straw. As for the MK dons player he met Burke as we played away that weekend.[/p][/quote]No he wouldn't!! If they were playing us, the agent takes it as far as he can! Protocol is not in their vocabulary!!! You can have a medical and move the goalposts afterwards!! So naive!!!! Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 0

3:05pm Mon 7 Apr 14

KeefyH69 says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
The Bosch wrote:
Your ere Ex-pat lol
Nope, I have no idea what that means. Anyone?
Nope! He's had one too many Red Bulls!
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Bosch[/bold] wrote: Your ere Ex-pat lol[/p][/quote]Nope, I have no idea what that means. Anyone?[/p][/quote]Nope! He's had one too many Red Bulls! KeefyH69
  • Score: 0

6:16pm Mon 7 Apr 14

KeefyH69 says...

Seagull John wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
TK has no intention of staying, we could offer him a pay rise and a four year deal, he will stil go because he is certain that he should be at a prem club, that's the only thing on his mind. That is not an opinion from me, that is exactly what TK has said publicly.

Ince and Solly are going no where this summer, they will stay with Brighton for another season. Both of them still have a lot to learn and I can't see the club letting them go. That said, there could be interest in them both come the next winter window, but even then I don't see Brighton selling.
Solly can go. Currently Conference level.
Is this comment meant to elicit a response? If so, here it is:- You know nothing about football!
[quote][p][bold]Seagull John[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: TK has no intention of staying, we could offer him a pay rise and a four year deal, he will stil go because he is certain that he should be at a prem club, that's the only thing on his mind. That is not an opinion from me, that is exactly what TK has said publicly. Ince and Solly are going no where this summer, they will stay with Brighton for another season. Both of them still have a lot to learn and I can't see the club letting them go. That said, there could be interest in them both come the next winter window, but even then I don't see Brighton selling.[/p][/quote]Solly can go. Currently Conference level.[/p][/quote]Is this comment meant to elicit a response? If so, here it is:- You know nothing about football! KeefyH69
  • Score: 1

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