Video: Watch Albion move into the play-off positions with victory over Charlton

Video: Watch Albion move into the play-off positions with victory over Charlton

Video: Watch Albion move into the play-off positions with victory over Charlton

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Watch Albion put three past Charlton Athletic yesterday at the Amex which took them into the play-offs positions in the Championship. Click on the arrow below.

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2:55pm Sun 13 Apr 14

B rian Tawses left foot says...

Superb goal from J F-C. One of the most depressing aspects of this site is the constant negative comments about this talented young player. Poyet gave him a three year contract - one of his shrewdest moves as albion manager I believe.
Superb goal from J F-C. One of the most depressing aspects of this site is the constant negative comments about this talented young player. Poyet gave him a three year contract - one of his shrewdest moves as albion manager I believe. B rian Tawses left foot
  • Score: 7

3:52pm Sun 13 Apr 14

VegasSeagull says...

B rian Tawses left foot wrote:
Superb goal from J F-C. One of the most depressing aspects of this site is the constant negative comments about this talented young player. Poyet gave him a three year contract - one of his shrewdest moves as albion manager I believe.
I think the problem is that the, 'knockers,' all expect every player to perform as a seasoned pro worthy of the prem every time they take to the park, regardless of their age and where they are in their development.
So many times we read on here how the majority of our players are not good enough for the prem, and of course those that write these words forget the fact that we are not currently in the prem. Then we have, 'he that should not be named,' telling us that if prem clubs are not beating down the door to sign our lads, well then they can't be any good.

JFC, like our other younger players are still learning their trade, honing their skills, the fact that there are other young lads of the same age that play in the prem means nothing.
[quote][p][bold]B rian Tawses left foot[/bold] wrote: Superb goal from J F-C. One of the most depressing aspects of this site is the constant negative comments about this talented young player. Poyet gave him a three year contract - one of his shrewdest moves as albion manager I believe.[/p][/quote]I think the problem is that the, 'knockers,' all expect every player to perform as a seasoned pro worthy of the prem every time they take to the park, regardless of their age and where they are in their development. So many times we read on here how the majority of our players are not good enough for the prem, and of course those that write these words forget the fact that we are not currently in the prem. Then we have, 'he that should not be named,' telling us that if prem clubs are not beating down the door to sign our lads, well then they can't be any good. JFC, like our other younger players are still learning their trade, honing their skills, the fact that there are other young lads of the same age that play in the prem means nothing. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 9

3:56pm Sun 13 Apr 14

ringtone says...

B rian Tawses left foot wrote:
Superb goal from J F-C. One of the most depressing aspects of this site is the constant negative comments about this talented young player. Poyet gave him a three year contract - one of his shrewdest moves as albion manager I believe.
i think it was deflected, so an own goal, just like JFK at the grassy knoll.

He has so many that one was bound to go in, with a little help
[quote][p][bold]B rian Tawses left foot[/bold] wrote: Superb goal from J F-C. One of the most depressing aspects of this site is the constant negative comments about this talented young player. Poyet gave him a three year contract - one of his shrewdest moves as albion manager I believe.[/p][/quote]i think it was deflected, so an own goal, just like JFK at the grassy knoll. He has so many that one was bound to go in, with a little help ringtone
  • Score: -19

4:12pm Sun 13 Apr 14

Norfolk and way says...

Some of us are getting fed up with the poor performances, lack of atmosphere and banks of emoty seats at the Amex and only just getting into the playoffs at the end is not enough to paper over the cracks of an overall poor season. We're off to watch a real team next season, it has to be palace, they are contenders for team of the season, manager of the season, and their support is phenomenal, they jump up and down in their thousands like some of the partisan European supporters, it makes for an electric atmosphere, not like most of our lot who spend half the match moaning about whether their pie is gluten free. Things have been sub standard for a while at the Albion and us paying supporters have had enough now.
Some of us are getting fed up with the poor performances, lack of atmosphere and banks of emoty seats at the Amex and only just getting into the playoffs at the end is not enough to paper over the cracks of an overall poor season. We're off to watch a real team next season, it has to be palace, they are contenders for team of the season, manager of the season, and their support is phenomenal, they jump up and down in their thousands like some of the partisan European supporters, it makes for an electric atmosphere, not like most of our lot who spend half the match moaning about whether their pie is gluten free. Things have been sub standard for a while at the Albion and us paying supporters have had enough now. Norfolk and way
  • Score: -33

4:42pm Sun 13 Apr 14

VegasSeagull says...

Norfolk and way wrote:
Some of us are getting fed up with the poor performances, lack of atmosphere and banks of emoty seats at the Amex and only just getting into the playoffs at the end is not enough to paper over the cracks of an overall poor season. We're off to watch a real team next season, it has to be palace, they are contenders for team of the season, manager of the season, and their support is phenomenal, they jump up and down in their thousands like some of the partisan European supporters, it makes for an electric atmosphere, not like most of our lot who spend half the match moaning about whether their pie is gluten free. Things have been sub standard for a while at the Albion and us paying supporters have had enough now.
Such a well thought out comment, did mommy and daddy help you write this, or is it all oyur own work?
[quote][p][bold]Norfolk and way[/bold] wrote: Some of us are getting fed up with the poor performances, lack of atmosphere and banks of emoty seats at the Amex and only just getting into the playoffs at the end is not enough to paper over the cracks of an overall poor season. We're off to watch a real team next season, it has to be palace, they are contenders for team of the season, manager of the season, and their support is phenomenal, they jump up and down in their thousands like some of the partisan European supporters, it makes for an electric atmosphere, not like most of our lot who spend half the match moaning about whether their pie is gluten free. Things have been sub standard for a while at the Albion and us paying supporters have had enough now.[/p][/quote]Such a well thought out comment, did mommy and daddy help you write this, or is it all oyur own work? VegasSeagull
  • Score: 8

4:51pm Sun 13 Apr 14

albionfan33 says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Norfolk and way wrote:
Some of us are getting fed up with the poor performances, lack of atmosphere and banks of emoty seats at the Amex and only just getting into the playoffs at the end is not enough to paper over the cracks of an overall poor season. We're off to watch a real team next season, it has to be palace, they are contenders for team of the season, manager of the season, and their support is phenomenal, they jump up and down in their thousands like some of the partisan European supporters, it makes for an electric atmosphere, not like most of our lot who spend half the match moaning about whether their pie is gluten free. Things have been sub standard for a while at the Albion and us paying supporters have had enough now.
Such a well thought out comment, did mommy and daddy help you write this, or is it all oyur own work?
you know we are playing well when the trolls are out in force bless em
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Norfolk and way[/bold] wrote: Some of us are getting fed up with the poor performances, lack of atmosphere and banks of emoty seats at the Amex and only just getting into the playoffs at the end is not enough to paper over the cracks of an overall poor season. We're off to watch a real team next season, it has to be palace, they are contenders for team of the season, manager of the season, and their support is phenomenal, they jump up and down in their thousands like some of the partisan European supporters, it makes for an electric atmosphere, not like most of our lot who spend half the match moaning about whether their pie is gluten free. Things have been sub standard for a while at the Albion and us paying supporters have had enough now.[/p][/quote]Such a well thought out comment, did mommy and daddy help you write this, or is it all oyur own work?[/p][/quote]you know we are playing well when the trolls are out in force bless em albionfan33
  • Score: 7

4:56pm Sun 13 Apr 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

The video shows the main difference between note and a could of woods ago... the finishing. All the goals were superbly taken yesterday, with only Lingard missing a great chance in the second half.

The trolls must be hating this upturn in form :-)
The video shows the main difference between note and a could of woods ago... the finishing. All the goals were superbly taken yesterday, with only Lingard missing a great chance in the second half. The trolls must be hating this upturn in form :-) Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 3

5:17pm Sun 13 Apr 14

mark by the sea says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
The video shows the main difference between note and a could of woods ago... the finishing. All the goals were superbly taken yesterday, with only Lingard missing a great chance in the second half.

The trolls must be hating this upturn in form :-)
Change of system 442 is reason behind our form, 451 won't get promotion.
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: The video shows the main difference between note and a could of woods ago... the finishing. All the goals were superbly taken yesterday, with only Lingard missing a great chance in the second half. The trolls must be hating this upturn in form :-)[/p][/quote]Change of system 442 is reason behind our form, 451 won't get promotion. mark by the sea
  • Score: -7

5:24pm Sun 13 Apr 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

We created just as many chances before our recent upturn, but we are now scoring those chances. The formation has hardly changed at all, and using terms such as 442, 433 and 451 didn't do any justice to the intricacy and fluidity of the formation.
We created just as many chances before our recent upturn, but we are now scoring those chances. The formation has hardly changed at all, and using terms such as 442, 433 and 451 didn't do any justice to the intricacy and fluidity of the formation. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 12

5:29pm Sun 13 Apr 14

mark by the sea says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
We created just as many chances before our recent upturn, but we are now scoring those chances. The formation has hardly changed at all, and using terms such as 442, 433 and 451 didn't do any justice to the intricacy and fluidity of the formation.
Really you talk complete rubbish, were you at Leicester or the Amex?
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: We created just as many chances before our recent upturn, but we are now scoring those chances. The formation has hardly changed at all, and using terms such as 442, 433 and 451 didn't do any justice to the intricacy and fluidity of the formation.[/p][/quote]Really you talk complete rubbish, were you at Leicester or the Amex? mark by the sea
  • Score: -8

5:31pm Sun 13 Apr 14

mark by the sea says...

No holding midfield player , two up front! Perhaps your keyboard can't see that
No holding midfield player , two up front! Perhaps your keyboard can't see that mark by the sea
  • Score: -17

5:32pm Sun 13 Apr 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

And there it is, the abuse flows forth as predictable as the sun rising and setting.
And there it is, the abuse flows forth as predictable as the sun rising and setting. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 6

5:41pm Sun 13 Apr 14

mark by the sea says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
And there it is, the abuse flows forth as predictable as the sun rising and setting.
Just admit you were not there, expat armchair
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: And there it is, the abuse flows forth as predictable as the sun rising and setting.[/p][/quote]Just admit you were not there, expat armchair mark by the sea
  • Score: -7

5:46pm Sun 13 Apr 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
And there it is, the abuse flows forth as predictable as the sun rising and setting.
Just admit you were not there, expat armchair
Why?
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: And there it is, the abuse flows forth as predictable as the sun rising and setting.[/p][/quote]Just admit you were not there, expat armchair[/p][/quote]Why? Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 9

5:47pm Sun 13 Apr 14

mark by the sea says...

442 which the fans have been wanting all season, .. Which is why we are playing well without a holding player.. Sadly Arnie all your comments are based on disagreeing with people who actually attend the games, . You should be rejoicing OG has changed his negative tactics and gone for it, it might be a bit late ... But what a difference playing 442
442 which the fans have been wanting all season, .. Which is why we are playing well without a holding player.. Sadly Arnie all your comments are based on disagreeing with people who actually attend the games, . You should be rejoicing OG has changed his negative tactics and gone for it, it might be a bit late ... But what a difference playing 442 mark by the sea
  • Score: -9

5:47pm Sun 13 Apr 14

ringtone says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
And there it is, the abuse flows forth as predictable as the sun rising and setting.
Just admit you were not there, expat armchair
Classic, this will force a name Ex fan-arnie
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: And there it is, the abuse flows forth as predictable as the sun rising and setting.[/p][/quote]Just admit you were not there, expat armchair[/p][/quote]Classic, this will force a name Ex fan-arnie ringtone
  • Score: -7

5:48pm Sun 13 Apr 14

mark by the sea says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
And there it is, the abuse flows forth as predictable as the sun rising and setting.
Just admit you were not there, expat armchair
Why?
We played 442,, you disagree on what basis if you were not witness?
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: And there it is, the abuse flows forth as predictable as the sun rising and setting.[/p][/quote]Just admit you were not there, expat armchair[/p][/quote]Why?[/p][/quote]We played 442,, you disagree on what basis if you were not witness? mark by the sea
  • Score: -10

5:51pm Sun 13 Apr 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

"Expat armchair" I bet you're still chuckling at that aren't you?

Just because you're hard of understanding I have counted the Albion matches I have watched this season, and it's nearly 20. Sorry if that's not enough for you.
"Expat armchair" I bet you're still chuckling at that aren't you? Just because you're hard of understanding I have counted the Albion matches I have watched this season, and it's nearly 20. Sorry if that's not enough for you. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 8

5:52pm Sun 13 Apr 14

mark by the sea says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
"Expat armchair" I bet you're still chuckling at that aren't you?

Just because you're hard of understanding I have counted the Albion matches I have watched this season, and it's nearly 20. Sorry if that's not enough for you.
So your saying we did not play 442. .?
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: "Expat armchair" I bet you're still chuckling at that aren't you? Just because you're hard of understanding I have counted the Albion matches I have watched this season, and it's nearly 20. Sorry if that's not enough for you.[/p][/quote]So your saying we did not play 442. .? mark by the sea
  • Score: -8

5:54pm Sun 13 Apr 14

mark by the sea says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
"Expat armchair" I bet you're still chuckling at that aren't you?

Just because you're hard of understanding I have counted the Albion matches I have watched this season, and it's nearly 20. Sorry if that's not enough for you.
Watching the championship Saturday night is not seeing them play!
Lol
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: "Expat armchair" I bet you're still chuckling at that aren't you? Just because you're hard of understanding I have counted the Albion matches I have watched this season, and it's nearly 20. Sorry if that's not enough for you.[/p][/quote]Watching the championship Saturday night is not seeing them play! Lol mark by the sea
  • Score: -7

6:01pm Sun 13 Apr 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

Actually Mark, you continue this one yourself. Your been dead set on picking an argument with me this week. I've now told you a dozen times that I watch a lot of the Albion, yet you keep trying to pretend that anyone who disagrees with the almighty Mark by the Sea must never watch the club. Pathetic.

You've become a troll. Leave me out of it. I'll chat with the reasonable followers on this site instead.
Actually Mark, you continue this one yourself. Your been dead set on picking an argument with me this week. I've now told you a dozen times that I watch a lot of the Albion, yet you keep trying to pretend that anyone who disagrees with the almighty Mark by the Sea must never watch the club. Pathetic. You've become a troll. Leave me out of it. I'll chat with the reasonable followers on this site instead. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 7

6:03pm Sun 13 Apr 14

mark by the sea says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
Actually Mark, you continue this one yourself. Your been dead set on picking an argument with me this week. I've now told you a dozen times that I watch a lot of the Albion, yet you keep trying to pretend that anyone who disagrees with the almighty Mark by the Sea must never watch the club. Pathetic.

You've become a troll. Leave me out of it. I'll chat with the reasonable followers on this site instead.
We played 442 and you were not there! And you disagree with just about everyone who was! You don't have any idea on a opinion rather disagree with people. Sad
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: Actually Mark, you continue this one yourself. Your been dead set on picking an argument with me this week. I've now told you a dozen times that I watch a lot of the Albion, yet you keep trying to pretend that anyone who disagrees with the almighty Mark by the Sea must never watch the club. Pathetic. You've become a troll. Leave me out of it. I'll chat with the reasonable followers on this site instead.[/p][/quote]We played 442 and you were not there! And you disagree with just about everyone who was! You don't have any idea on a opinion rather disagree with people. Sad mark by the sea
  • Score: -12

6:05pm Sun 13 Apr 14

VegasSeagull says...

I think it fair to say, and I don't have to be at a match to have offer what I see as a fair opinion, that at various times in the match the 4-4-2 or what ever you call it, changes.
There will be times when we have to hld the ball up to allow someone to join Ulloa, 4-4-1-1, on other occasions we will break from the back with three players getting forward, 4-3-3. The important thing is that we start the match with enough strike force to allow to get more than just Ulloa in the danger zone, and if that is one or two extra guys, you can all the line up anything that pleases you.
The fact that Lingard is an attacking mid-fielder rather than a striker it might be right to say that we are playing a 4-5-1, it all depends on who pushes forward and when, personally I don't give a **** just as long as we score goals.
I think it fair to say, and I don't have to be at a match to have offer what I see as a fair opinion, that at various times in the match the 4-4-2 or what ever you call it, changes. There will be times when we have to hld the ball up to allow someone to join Ulloa, 4-4-1-1, on other occasions we will break from the back with three players getting forward, 4-3-3. The important thing is that we start the match with enough strike force to allow to get more than just Ulloa in the danger zone, and if that is one or two extra guys, you can all the line up anything that pleases you. The fact that Lingard is an attacking mid-fielder rather than a striker it might be right to say that we are playing a 4-5-1, it all depends on who pushes forward and when, personally I don't give a **** just as long as we score goals. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 12

6:38pm Sun 13 Apr 14

The Phantom says...

MBTS, it was the whole fluidity and interchanging of positions which made us a completely different side on Saturday - sometimes 4-3-3, sometimes 4-5-1. sometimes 4-4-2. That was the whole point - it was something different for the opposition to face. That is what you can do with a player like Lingard finding pockets of space and using his quick feet and speed of thought. Although he was contributing wide left, we weren't getting the best out of him in terms of the team. It is a shame it has taken so long to properly integrate him into a productive style of play.
MBTS, it was the whole fluidity and interchanging of positions which made us a completely different side on Saturday - sometimes 4-3-3, sometimes 4-5-1. sometimes 4-4-2. That was the whole point - it was something different for the opposition to face. That is what you can do with a player like Lingard finding pockets of space and using his quick feet and speed of thought. Although he was contributing wide left, we weren't getting the best out of him in terms of the team. It is a shame it has taken so long to properly integrate him into a productive style of play. The Phantom
  • Score: 16

7:49pm Sun 13 Apr 14

KeefyH69 says...

The Phantom wrote:
MBTS, it was the whole fluidity and interchanging of positions which made us a completely different side on Saturday - sometimes 4-3-3, sometimes 4-5-1. sometimes 4-4-2. That was the whole point - it was something different for the opposition to face. That is what you can do with a player like Lingard finding pockets of space and using his quick feet and speed of thought. Although he was contributing wide left, we weren't getting the best out of him in terms of the team. It is a shame it has taken so long to properly integrate him into a productive style of play.
That's it exactly!!! It WAS the fluidity and quick passing, AND getting the ball forward much more swiftly that made the difference. It was a joy to watch.
[quote][p][bold]The Phantom[/bold] wrote: MBTS, it was the whole fluidity and interchanging of positions which made us a completely different side on Saturday - sometimes 4-3-3, sometimes 4-5-1. sometimes 4-4-2. That was the whole point - it was something different for the opposition to face. That is what you can do with a player like Lingard finding pockets of space and using his quick feet and speed of thought. Although he was contributing wide left, we weren't getting the best out of him in terms of the team. It is a shame it has taken so long to properly integrate him into a productive style of play.[/p][/quote]That's it exactly!!! It WAS the fluidity and quick passing, AND getting the ball forward much more swiftly that made the difference. It was a joy to watch. KeefyH69
  • Score: 9

7:55pm Sun 13 Apr 14

mark by the sea says...

KeefyH69 wrote:
The Phantom wrote:
MBTS, it was the whole fluidity and interchanging of positions which made us a completely different side on Saturday - sometimes 4-3-3, sometimes 4-5-1. sometimes 4-4-2. That was the whole point - it was something different for the opposition to face. That is what you can do with a player like Lingard finding pockets of space and using his quick feet and speed of thought. Although he was contributing wide left, we weren't getting the best out of him in terms of the team. It is a shame it has taken so long to properly integrate him into a productive style of play.
That's it exactly!!! It WAS the fluidity and quick passing, AND getting the ball forward much more swiftly that made the difference. It was a joy to watch.
The dropping of the anchor midfield player INCE is the reason we are fluid, all sides are fluid if it's 451 442 the change is moving away from a centre three.
[quote][p][bold]KeefyH69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Phantom[/bold] wrote: MBTS, it was the whole fluidity and interchanging of positions which made us a completely different side on Saturday - sometimes 4-3-3, sometimes 4-5-1. sometimes 4-4-2. That was the whole point - it was something different for the opposition to face. That is what you can do with a player like Lingard finding pockets of space and using his quick feet and speed of thought. Although he was contributing wide left, we weren't getting the best out of him in terms of the team. It is a shame it has taken so long to properly integrate him into a productive style of play.[/p][/quote]That's it exactly!!! It WAS the fluidity and quick passing, AND getting the ball forward much more swiftly that made the difference. It was a joy to watch.[/p][/quote]The dropping of the anchor midfield player INCE is the reason we are fluid, all sides are fluid if it's 451 442 the change is moving away from a centre three. mark by the sea
  • Score: -7

10:32pm Sun 13 Apr 14

mark by the sea says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
I think it fair to say, and I don't have to be at a match to have offer what I see as a fair opinion, that at various times in the match the 4-4-2 or what ever you call it, changes.
There will be times when we have to hld the ball up to allow someone to join Ulloa, 4-4-1-1, on other occasions we will break from the back with three players getting forward, 4-3-3. The important thing is that we start the match with enough strike force to allow to get more than just Ulloa in the danger zone, and if that is one or two extra guys, you can all the line up anything that pleases you.
The fact that Lingard is an attacking mid-fielder rather than a striker it might be right to say that we are playing a 4-5-1, it all depends on who pushes forward and when, personally I don't give a **** just as long as we score goals.
Lol read the thread lingard loving it .... " I am enjoying playing alongside ulloa"
Get your box of Kleenex ready for Friday!
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: I think it fair to say, and I don't have to be at a match to have offer what I see as a fair opinion, that at various times in the match the 4-4-2 or what ever you call it, changes. There will be times when we have to hld the ball up to allow someone to join Ulloa, 4-4-1-1, on other occasions we will break from the back with three players getting forward, 4-3-3. The important thing is that we start the match with enough strike force to allow to get more than just Ulloa in the danger zone, and if that is one or two extra guys, you can all the line up anything that pleases you. The fact that Lingard is an attacking mid-fielder rather than a striker it might be right to say that we are playing a 4-5-1, it all depends on who pushes forward and when, personally I don't give a **** just as long as we score goals.[/p][/quote]Lol read the thread lingard loving it .... " I am enjoying playing alongside ulloa" Get your box of Kleenex ready for Friday! mark by the sea
  • Score: -5

10:54pm Sun 13 Apr 14

mark by the sea says...

The Phantom wrote:
MBTS, it was the whole fluidity and interchanging of positions which made us a completely different side on Saturday - sometimes 4-3-3, sometimes 4-5-1. sometimes 4-4-2. That was the whole point - it was something different for the opposition to face. That is what you can do with a player like Lingard finding pockets of space and using his quick feet and speed of thought. Although he was contributing wide left, we weren't getting the best out of him in terms of the team. It is a shame it has taken so long to properly integrate him into a productive style of play.
You mean play him alongside of ulloa? Or are we playing three wingers?
The main change is the defensive anchor going, look at Sunderland they can't score either, 451 is gone, OG has finally given us fans who go every home game exactly what we wanted .. Two up front, that's why ince can't get into side, he is not a genuine midfield player, but a defender in front of the back 4..
Read les Ferdinand talking about changing to 442
[quote][p][bold]The Phantom[/bold] wrote: MBTS, it was the whole fluidity and interchanging of positions which made us a completely different side on Saturday - sometimes 4-3-3, sometimes 4-5-1. sometimes 4-4-2. That was the whole point - it was something different for the opposition to face. That is what you can do with a player like Lingard finding pockets of space and using his quick feet and speed of thought. Although he was contributing wide left, we weren't getting the best out of him in terms of the team. It is a shame it has taken so long to properly integrate him into a productive style of play.[/p][/quote]You mean play him alongside of ulloa? Or are we playing three wingers? The main change is the defensive anchor going, look at Sunderland they can't score either, 451 is gone, OG has finally given us fans who go every home game exactly what we wanted .. Two up front, that's why ince can't get into side, he is not a genuine midfield player, but a defender in front of the back 4.. Read les Ferdinand talking about changing to 442 mark by the sea
  • Score: -5

11:32pm Sun 13 Apr 14

OldGull says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
The video shows the main difference between note and a could of woods ago... the finishing. All the goals were superbly taken yesterday, with only Lingard missing a great chance in the second half.

The trolls must be hating this upturn in form :-)
Change of system 442 is reason behind our form, 451 won't get promotion.
If it was a strict 442 how come kaz & Jesse and to a lesser degree Solly were very fluid in their movement and swapped positions.
You call it 442,
I call it 4231

The main difference is that now Jesse has fitted into the team he plays much closer to Leo. so that Leo is not isolated.
It wasn't a problem earlier in the season when Crofts was in the team.
It has just been a void that the Albion took a while to fill.
UTA
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: The video shows the main difference between note and a could of woods ago... the finishing. All the goals were superbly taken yesterday, with only Lingard missing a great chance in the second half. The trolls must be hating this upturn in form :-)[/p][/quote]Change of system 442 is reason behind our form, 451 won't get promotion.[/p][/quote]If it was a strict 442 how come kaz & Jesse and to a lesser degree Solly were very fluid in their movement and swapped positions. You call it 442, I call it 4231 The main difference is that now Jesse has fitted into the team he plays much closer to Leo. so that Leo is not isolated. It wasn't a problem earlier in the season when Crofts was in the team. It has just been a void that the Albion took a while to fill. UTA OldGull
  • Score: 10

11:45pm Sun 13 Apr 14

The Phantom says...

mark by the sea wrote:
The Phantom wrote:
MBTS, it was the whole fluidity and interchanging of positions which made us a completely different side on Saturday - sometimes 4-3-3, sometimes 4-5-1. sometimes 4-4-2. That was the whole point - it was something different for the opposition to face. That is what you can do with a player like Lingard finding pockets of space and using his quick feet and speed of thought. Although he was contributing wide left, we weren't getting the best out of him in terms of the team. It is a shame it has taken so long to properly integrate him into a productive style of play.
You mean play him alongside of ulloa? Or are we playing three wingers?
The main change is the defensive anchor going, look at Sunderland they can't score either, 451 is gone, OG has finally given us fans who go every home game exactly what we wanted .. Two up front, that's why ince can't get into side, he is not a genuine midfield player, but a defender in front of the back 4..
Read les Ferdinand talking about changing to 442
I would have thought it was quite clear what I meant......"fluidity and interchanging of positions" was the key phrase. Not sure why you keep banging on about 4-4-2 like you have re-invented football. Three wingers??? - what are you going on about? The reason Ince is not in the side at the moment is that Andrews is in a good vein of form and Ince has played a lot of of high energy games when not always fully fit - it is time for a break for him. No reason to suggest that Ince could not play well with Stephens in the future. Bottom line is the coaching staff have found a way to get the team playing in a more fluent, high tempo style in the last couple of games which has to be good for all of us.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Phantom[/bold] wrote: MBTS, it was the whole fluidity and interchanging of positions which made us a completely different side on Saturday - sometimes 4-3-3, sometimes 4-5-1. sometimes 4-4-2. That was the whole point - it was something different for the opposition to face. That is what you can do with a player like Lingard finding pockets of space and using his quick feet and speed of thought. Although he was contributing wide left, we weren't getting the best out of him in terms of the team. It is a shame it has taken so long to properly integrate him into a productive style of play.[/p][/quote]You mean play him alongside of ulloa? Or are we playing three wingers? The main change is the defensive anchor going, look at Sunderland they can't score either, 451 is gone, OG has finally given us fans who go every home game exactly what we wanted .. Two up front, that's why ince can't get into side, he is not a genuine midfield player, but a defender in front of the back 4.. Read les Ferdinand talking about changing to 442[/p][/quote]I would have thought it was quite clear what I meant......"fluidity and interchanging of positions" was the key phrase. Not sure why you keep banging on about 4-4-2 like you have re-invented football. Three wingers??? - what are you going on about? The reason Ince is not in the side at the moment is that Andrews is in a good vein of form and Ince has played a lot of of high energy games when not always fully fit - it is time for a break for him. No reason to suggest that Ince could not play well with Stephens in the future. Bottom line is the coaching staff have found a way to get the team playing in a more fluent, high tempo style in the last couple of games which has to be good for all of us. The Phantom
  • Score: 4

11:52pm Sun 13 Apr 14

The Phantom says...

OldGull wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
The video shows the main difference between note and a could of woods ago... the finishing. All the goals were superbly taken yesterday, with only Lingard missing a great chance in the second half.

The trolls must be hating this upturn in form :-)
Change of system 442 is reason behind our form, 451 won't get promotion.
If it was a strict 442 how come kaz & Jesse and to a lesser degree Solly were very fluid in their movement and swapped positions.
You call it 442,
I call it 4231

The main difference is that now Jesse has fitted into the team he plays much closer to Leo. so that Leo is not isolated.
It wasn't a problem earlier in the season when Crofts was in the team.
It has just been a void that the Albion took a while to fill.
UTA
Thanks for clarifying this for MBTS - pretty much how I understood the system too. If it was a strict 4-4-2, Solly and Kaz would have been confined to the wings throughout which they most definitely were not.
[quote][p][bold]OldGull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: The video shows the main difference between note and a could of woods ago... the finishing. All the goals were superbly taken yesterday, with only Lingard missing a great chance in the second half. The trolls must be hating this upturn in form :-)[/p][/quote]Change of system 442 is reason behind our form, 451 won't get promotion.[/p][/quote]If it was a strict 442 how come kaz & Jesse and to a lesser degree Solly were very fluid in their movement and swapped positions. You call it 442, I call it 4231 The main difference is that now Jesse has fitted into the team he plays much closer to Leo. so that Leo is not isolated. It wasn't a problem earlier in the season when Crofts was in the team. It has just been a void that the Albion took a while to fill. UTA[/p][/quote]Thanks for clarifying this for MBTS - pretty much how I understood the system too. If it was a strict 4-4-2, Solly and Kaz would have been confined to the wings throughout which they most definitely were not. The Phantom
  • Score: 7

4:53am Mon 14 Apr 14

Singing Seagull, Indonesia says...

oscar must go says...Singing Seagull, Indonesia wrote:How strange. My eyesight must be failing me. But I just can't find a single comment from Oscar Must Go!I love it when a good run of form silences the trolls (or at least most of them - shame Ringpiece doesn't follow the others back into their rat hole).Great result in what could have been seen as a potential banana skin.Well done the lads!UTA!!Oh you really are amusing and of course so predictable!!When i have something to say i do it in a constructive way without being rude to people like you. My dignity prevents me from doing otherwise.If you had been one of those who paid to get in yesterday you would have seen the poorest team to visit the AMEX all season. They were truly clueless. Oscar did what all the 28000ish people would have done by not significantly changing the lineup apart from at full back although you should be concerned about Kuszczak's absence . Reports are that he was not sick. Think about it. He has been hankering after a contract offer but has been told to wait until the season ends. Suddenly Burke goes public that Dunk has a big future at the club and then March gets a contract. This could explain his fast early exit yesterday after a visit to Burke's office!! Watch this space!! If Ankergren and Brezovan are the only goalkeepers available for the rest of the season then a calamity is just around the corner.Yesterday's substitutions were open to debate as taking off both wingers especially replacing March with Calderon did not ring true when just about everyone in the ground would have preferred to see CMS get a few minutes. It was all irrelevant though as he could have put you or me on and Brighton would still have won at a canter.Coupled with that, all week Oscar has been grizzling about his squad and then puts Jones up to do the media after the game should not be viewed without suspicion. He is not the man to lead Brighton to the promised land and if he wants to go to Swansea, Norwich or anywhere else i'll drive him there myself.Just in case you think that i'm going to respond to your upcoming abusive response i'm sorry to disappoint you but i'm off to Wembley to see the FA Cup semi-final involving Hull so won't be available. Now that's another story about Oscar's incompetence as i should not be alone heading North today!! Enough said.Have a nice day but be careful it will probably rain there at about 4pm!



Oscar Must Go (OMG)...
I didn't realise that the Croydon Advertiser has a global weather forecast. Not surprisingly though, your prediction was way off the mark and it was a gloriously warm and sunny day here.
For your information, there are two main reasons why I don't make contributions to this site which are of a technical nature.
Firstly, and this should be obvious even to you, I cannot get to games, home or away, and therefore I do not see it as my place to make criticism or acclaim.
Secondly, I am an Albion fan and have been for over 40 years now. I take huge pleasure when the club is thriving (as it is now). I also accept that sometimes things go less than well - that's football my friend, so learn to accept and deal with it. Part and parcel of supporting the Albion is knowing this and dealing with it. We are not a top flight Prem team . But if and when we reach those heights, I am sure you and others like you will continue to think that you know better than the management.
If you are a true fan, might I suggest to chill a bit, sit back, relax. Enjoy the drama of the season. If we make the play offs, celebrate it. If we get promoted, celebrate that. But if we don't, please don't try to convince everyone else that you know more and better than those who run the club 24/7.
Sure there is a place for reasoned discussion and debate, but to try and whip up anti-Oscar fervor is immature, not to mention unfair. Sure, we would already have been crowned Championship Winners if you were in charge - NOT!!
I for one (as I've said on several previous posts) feel that Oscar needs this season to establish himself in English football - remember, it is regarded asone of the most difficult leagues in the world. The fact that we are in a play off position at this stage of the season is nothing short of astounding when you consider all the well documented problems that Oscar has had to overcome.
So, for me and all the other true fans who enjoy the success that our club is currently having, a huge debt of gratitude for the joy that this brings us.
For the trolls and the "glass half empty fans" who constantly gripe and moan about how the club should be run, **** off and take your whinging, pitiful and pointless opinions with you.
The Albion is a glorious club that has risen from near extinction to Premiership contenders in a miraculously short period of time. If yoh can't seethat then I pity you. If you can see that but don't take pleasure in it then you are never going to be happy in life so again, I pity you.
TRUE ALBION FANS - TAKE PLEASURE IN THE UPS AND DOWNS OF THE SEASON AND CELEBRATE WHERE WE ARE TODAY!!

UTA!!!!!
oscar must go says...Singing Seagull, Indonesia wrote:How strange. My eyesight must be failing me. But I just can't find a single comment from Oscar Must Go!I love it when a good run of form silences the trolls (or at least most of them - shame Ringpiece doesn't follow the others back into their rat hole).Great result in what could have been seen as a potential banana skin.Well done the lads!UTA!!Oh you really are amusing and of course so predictable!!When i have something to say i do it in a constructive way without being rude to people like you. My dignity prevents me from doing otherwise.If you had been one of those who paid to get in yesterday you would have seen the poorest team to visit the AMEX all season. They were truly clueless. Oscar did what all the 28000ish people would have done by not significantly changing the lineup apart from at full back although you should be concerned about Kuszczak's absence . Reports are that he was not sick. Think about it. He has been hankering after a contract offer but has been told to wait until the season ends. Suddenly Burke goes public that Dunk has a big future at the club and then March gets a contract. This could explain his fast early exit yesterday after a visit to Burke's office!! Watch this space!! If Ankergren and Brezovan are the only goalkeepers available for the rest of the season then a calamity is just around the corner.Yesterday's substitutions were open to debate as taking off both wingers especially replacing March with Calderon did not ring true when just about everyone in the ground would have preferred to see CMS get a few minutes. It was all irrelevant though as he could have put you or me on and Brighton would still have won at a canter.Coupled with that, all week Oscar has been grizzling about his squad and then puts Jones up to do the media after the game should not be viewed without suspicion. He is not the man to lead Brighton to the promised land and if he wants to go to Swansea, Norwich or anywhere else i'll drive him there myself.Just in case you think that i'm going to respond to your upcoming abusive response i'm sorry to disappoint you but i'm off to Wembley to see the FA Cup semi-final involving Hull so won't be available. Now that's another story about Oscar's incompetence as i should not be alone heading North today!! Enough said.Have a nice day but be careful it will probably rain there at about 4pm! Oscar Must Go (OMG)... I didn't realise that the Croydon Advertiser has a global weather forecast. Not surprisingly though, your prediction was way off the mark and it was a gloriously warm and sunny day here. For your information, there are two main reasons why I don't make contributions to this site which are of a technical nature. Firstly, and this should be obvious even to you, I cannot get to games, home or away, and therefore I do not see it as my place to make criticism or acclaim. Secondly, I am an Albion fan and have been for over 40 years now. I take huge pleasure when the club is thriving (as it is now). I also accept that sometimes things go less than well - that's football my friend, so learn to accept and deal with it. Part and parcel of supporting the Albion is knowing this and dealing with it. We are not a top flight Prem team [yet!]. But if and when we reach those heights, I am sure you and others like you will continue to think that you know better than the management. If you are a true fan, might I suggest to chill a bit, sit back, relax. Enjoy the drama of the season. If we make the play offs, celebrate it. If we get promoted, celebrate that. But if we don't, please don't try to convince everyone else that you know more and better than those who run the club 24/7. Sure there is a place for reasoned discussion and debate, but to try and whip up anti-Oscar fervor is immature, not to mention unfair. Sure, we would already have been crowned Championship Winners if you were in charge - NOT!! I for one (as I've said on several previous posts) feel that Oscar needs this season to establish himself in English football - remember, it is regarded asone of the most difficult leagues in the world. The fact that we are in a play off position at this stage of the season is nothing short of astounding when you consider all the well documented problems that Oscar has had to overcome. So, for me and all the other true fans who enjoy the success that our club is currently having, a huge debt of gratitude for the joy that this brings us. For the trolls and the "glass half empty fans" who constantly gripe and moan about how the club should be run, **** off and take your whinging, pitiful and pointless opinions with you. The Albion is a glorious club that has risen from near extinction to Premiership contenders in a miraculously short period of time. If yoh can't seethat then I pity you. If you can see that but don't take pleasure in it then you are never going to be happy in life so again, I pity you. TRUE ALBION FANS - TAKE PLEASURE IN THE UPS AND DOWNS OF THE SEASON AND CELEBRATE WHERE WE ARE TODAY!! UTA!!!!! Singing Seagull, Indonesia
  • Score: 6

7:05am Mon 14 Apr 14

mark by the sea says...

The Phantom wrote:
OldGull wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
The video shows the main difference between note and a could of woods ago... the finishing. All the goals were superbly taken yesterday, with only Lingard missing a great chance in the second half.

The trolls must be hating this upturn in form :-)
Change of system 442 is reason behind our form, 451 won't get promotion.
If it was a strict 442 how come kaz & Jesse and to a lesser degree Solly were very fluid in their movement and swapped positions.
You call it 442,
I call it 4231

The main difference is that now Jesse has fitted into the team he plays much closer to Leo. so that Leo is not isolated.
It wasn't a problem earlier in the season when Crofts was in the team.
It has just been a void that the Albion took a while to fill.
UTA
Thanks for clarifying this for MBTS - pretty much how I understood the system too. If it was a strict 4-4-2, Solly and Kaz would have been confined to the wings throughout which they most definitely were not.
Nothing needs clarifying, of course sides interchange positions and pull players back when in need of defence, ulloa comes back to defend corners even when he was our only striker, my whole point is so simple, we have dropped ince because playing a defensive holding player means you can't push another player up along side your number 9,
And all professional sides play that way,
1) we have moved from 3 central midfielders.
2) lingard is now alongside ulloa
3) lua lua actually starts a game!
It's being positive after 40 games of running scared of losing .
The fans have wanted this for two seasons, OG is no genius for taking the same move half the premier clubs have taken
HOW MANY GOALS HAVE SUNDERLAND SCORED SINCE BRIDCUTT JOINED?
[quote][p][bold]The Phantom[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OldGull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: The video shows the main difference between note and a could of woods ago... the finishing. All the goals were superbly taken yesterday, with only Lingard missing a great chance in the second half. The trolls must be hating this upturn in form :-)[/p][/quote]Change of system 442 is reason behind our form, 451 won't get promotion.[/p][/quote]If it was a strict 442 how come kaz & Jesse and to a lesser degree Solly were very fluid in their movement and swapped positions. You call it 442, I call it 4231 The main difference is that now Jesse has fitted into the team he plays much closer to Leo. so that Leo is not isolated. It wasn't a problem earlier in the season when Crofts was in the team. It has just been a void that the Albion took a while to fill. UTA[/p][/quote]Thanks for clarifying this for MBTS - pretty much how I understood the system too. If it was a strict 4-4-2, Solly and Kaz would have been confined to the wings throughout which they most definitely were not.[/p][/quote]Nothing needs clarifying, of course sides interchange positions and pull players back when in need of defence, ulloa comes back to defend corners even when he was our only striker, my whole point is so simple, we have dropped ince because playing a defensive holding player means you can't push another player up along side your number 9, And all professional sides play that way, 1) we have moved from 3 central midfielders. 2) lingard is now alongside ulloa 3) lua lua actually starts a game! It's being positive after 40 games of running scared of losing . The fans have wanted this for two seasons, OG is no genius for taking the same move half the premier clubs have taken HOW MANY GOALS HAVE SUNDERLAND SCORED SINCE BRIDCUTT JOINED? mark by the sea
  • Score: -3

9:09am Mon 14 Apr 14

The Phantom says...

mark by the sea wrote:
The Phantom wrote:
OldGull wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
The video shows the main difference between note and a could of woods ago... the finishing. All the goals were superbly taken yesterday, with only Lingard missing a great chance in the second half.

The trolls must be hating this upturn in form :-)
Change of system 442 is reason behind our form, 451 won't get promotion.
If it was a strict 442 how come kaz & Jesse and to a lesser degree Solly were very fluid in their movement and swapped positions.
You call it 442,
I call it 4231

The main difference is that now Jesse has fitted into the team he plays much closer to Leo. so that Leo is not isolated.
It wasn't a problem earlier in the season when Crofts was in the team.
It has just been a void that the Albion took a while to fill.
UTA
Thanks for clarifying this for MBTS - pretty much how I understood the system too. If it was a strict 4-4-2, Solly and Kaz would have been confined to the wings throughout which they most definitely were not.
Nothing needs clarifying, of course sides interchange positions and pull players back when in need of defence, ulloa comes back to defend corners even when he was our only striker, my whole point is so simple, we have dropped ince because playing a defensive holding player means you can't push another player up along side your number 9,
And all professional sides play that way,
1) we have moved from 3 central midfielders.
2) lingard is now alongside ulloa
3) lua lua actually starts a game!
It's being positive after 40 games of running scared of losing .
The fans have wanted this for two seasons, OG is no genius for taking the same move half the premier clubs have taken
HOW MANY GOALS HAVE SUNDERLAND SCORED SINCE BRIDCUTT JOINED?
How many goals did Sunderland score before Bridcutt arrived? The answer is still very few. They are a poor side with few striking options and having to accommodate Bridcutt and Cattermole is far from ideal. This notion that half the premier league clubs dont have holding midfield players any more and that "all professional clubs play that way" is nonsense - Gerrard at Liverpool (top of the league), Matic at Chelsea (2nd in the league) etc etc disproves your point. As Solly March says in his article today, he is playing central midfield, so we still have three players in central midfield, just that one of them plays further up the field rather than the rigidness of what we had before which relied on one of Andrews, Ince and one other breaking from deep. Currently Andrews and Stephens are playing the holding role between them - when one of them goes the other stays or if we need to we can have two holding midfielders and leave the other four plus attacking full backs to create and score goals. One thing we are agreed on is that we are finding a way to get more out of our current squad of players - I dont think that makes OG a tactical genius but certainly dont think it has anything to do with giving the fans what they want.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Phantom[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OldGull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: The video shows the main difference between note and a could of woods ago... the finishing. All the goals were superbly taken yesterday, with only Lingard missing a great chance in the second half. The trolls must be hating this upturn in form :-)[/p][/quote]Change of system 442 is reason behind our form, 451 won't get promotion.[/p][/quote]If it was a strict 442 how come kaz & Jesse and to a lesser degree Solly were very fluid in their movement and swapped positions. You call it 442, I call it 4231 The main difference is that now Jesse has fitted into the team he plays much closer to Leo. so that Leo is not isolated. It wasn't a problem earlier in the season when Crofts was in the team. It has just been a void that the Albion took a while to fill. UTA[/p][/quote]Thanks for clarifying this for MBTS - pretty much how I understood the system too. If it was a strict 4-4-2, Solly and Kaz would have been confined to the wings throughout which they most definitely were not.[/p][/quote]Nothing needs clarifying, of course sides interchange positions and pull players back when in need of defence, ulloa comes back to defend corners even when he was our only striker, my whole point is so simple, we have dropped ince because playing a defensive holding player means you can't push another player up along side your number 9, And all professional sides play that way, 1) we have moved from 3 central midfielders. 2) lingard is now alongside ulloa 3) lua lua actually starts a game! It's being positive after 40 games of running scared of losing . The fans have wanted this for two seasons, OG is no genius for taking the same move half the premier clubs have taken HOW MANY GOALS HAVE SUNDERLAND SCORED SINCE BRIDCUTT JOINED?[/p][/quote]How many goals did Sunderland score before Bridcutt arrived? The answer is still very few. They are a poor side with few striking options and having to accommodate Bridcutt and Cattermole is far from ideal. This notion that half the premier league clubs dont have holding midfield players any more and that "all professional clubs play that way" is nonsense - Gerrard at Liverpool (top of the league), Matic at Chelsea (2nd in the league) etc etc disproves your point. As Solly March says in his article today, he is playing central midfield, so we still have three players in central midfield, just that one of them plays further up the field rather than the rigidness of what we had before which relied on one of Andrews, Ince and one other breaking from deep. Currently Andrews and Stephens are playing the holding role between them - when one of them goes the other stays or if we need to we can have two holding midfielders and leave the other four plus attacking full backs to create and score goals. One thing we are agreed on is that we are finding a way to get more out of our current squad of players - I dont think that makes OG a tactical genius but certainly dont think it has anything to do with giving the fans what they want. The Phantom
  • Score: 5

9:23am Mon 14 Apr 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

The Phantom wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
The Phantom wrote:
OldGull wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
The video shows the main difference between note and a could of woods ago... the finishing. All the goals were superbly taken yesterday, with only Lingard missing a great chance in the second half.

The trolls must be hating this upturn in form :-)
Change of system 442 is reason behind our form, 451 won't get promotion.
If it was a strict 442 how come kaz & Jesse and to a lesser degree Solly were very fluid in their movement and swapped positions.
You call it 442,
I call it 4231

The main difference is that now Jesse has fitted into the team he plays much closer to Leo. so that Leo is not isolated.
It wasn't a problem earlier in the season when Crofts was in the team.
It has just been a void that the Albion took a while to fill.
UTA
Thanks for clarifying this for MBTS - pretty much how I understood the system too. If it was a strict 4-4-2, Solly and Kaz would have been confined to the wings throughout which they most definitely were not.
Nothing needs clarifying, of course sides interchange positions and pull players back when in need of defence, ulloa comes back to defend corners even when he was our only striker, my whole point is so simple, we have dropped ince because playing a defensive holding player means you can't push another player up along side your number 9,
And all professional sides play that way,
1) we have moved from 3 central midfielders.
2) lingard is now alongside ulloa
3) lua lua actually starts a game!
It's being positive after 40 games of running scared of losing .
The fans have wanted this for two seasons, OG is no genius for taking the same move half the premier clubs have taken
HOW MANY GOALS HAVE SUNDERLAND SCORED SINCE BRIDCUTT JOINED?
How many goals did Sunderland score before Bridcutt arrived? The answer is still very few. They are a poor side with few striking options and having to accommodate Bridcutt and Cattermole is far from ideal. This notion that half the premier league clubs dont have holding midfield players any more and that "all professional clubs play that way" is nonsense - Gerrard at Liverpool (top of the league), Matic at Chelsea (2nd in the league) etc etc disproves your point. As Solly March says in his article today, he is playing central midfield, so we still have three players in central midfield, just that one of them plays further up the field rather than the rigidness of what we had before which relied on one of Andrews, Ince and one other breaking from deep. Currently Andrews and Stephens are playing the holding role between them - when one of them goes the other stays or if we need to we can have two holding midfielders and leave the other four plus attacking full backs to create and score goals. One thing we are agreed on is that we are finding a way to get more out of our current squad of players - I dont think that makes OG a tactical genius but certainly dont think it has anything to do with giving the fans what they want.
Ladies and gentlemen, we have a winner :-) Superbly argued, Phantom.
[quote][p][bold]The Phantom[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Phantom[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OldGull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: The video shows the main difference between note and a could of woods ago... the finishing. All the goals were superbly taken yesterday, with only Lingard missing a great chance in the second half. The trolls must be hating this upturn in form :-)[/p][/quote]Change of system 442 is reason behind our form, 451 won't get promotion.[/p][/quote]If it was a strict 442 how come kaz & Jesse and to a lesser degree Solly were very fluid in their movement and swapped positions. You call it 442, I call it 4231 The main difference is that now Jesse has fitted into the team he plays much closer to Leo. so that Leo is not isolated. It wasn't a problem earlier in the season when Crofts was in the team. It has just been a void that the Albion took a while to fill. UTA[/p][/quote]Thanks for clarifying this for MBTS - pretty much how I understood the system too. If it was a strict 4-4-2, Solly and Kaz would have been confined to the wings throughout which they most definitely were not.[/p][/quote]Nothing needs clarifying, of course sides interchange positions and pull players back when in need of defence, ulloa comes back to defend corners even when he was our only striker, my whole point is so simple, we have dropped ince because playing a defensive holding player means you can't push another player up along side your number 9, And all professional sides play that way, 1) we have moved from 3 central midfielders. 2) lingard is now alongside ulloa 3) lua lua actually starts a game! It's being positive after 40 games of running scared of losing . The fans have wanted this for two seasons, OG is no genius for taking the same move half the premier clubs have taken HOW MANY GOALS HAVE SUNDERLAND SCORED SINCE BRIDCUTT JOINED?[/p][/quote]How many goals did Sunderland score before Bridcutt arrived? The answer is still very few. They are a poor side with few striking options and having to accommodate Bridcutt and Cattermole is far from ideal. This notion that half the premier league clubs dont have holding midfield players any more and that "all professional clubs play that way" is nonsense - Gerrard at Liverpool (top of the league), Matic at Chelsea (2nd in the league) etc etc disproves your point. As Solly March says in his article today, he is playing central midfield, so we still have three players in central midfield, just that one of them plays further up the field rather than the rigidness of what we had before which relied on one of Andrews, Ince and one other breaking from deep. Currently Andrews and Stephens are playing the holding role between them - when one of them goes the other stays or if we need to we can have two holding midfielders and leave the other four plus attacking full backs to create and score goals. One thing we are agreed on is that we are finding a way to get more out of our current squad of players - I dont think that makes OG a tactical genius but certainly dont think it has anything to do with giving the fans what they want.[/p][/quote]Ladies and gentlemen, we have a winner :-) Superbly argued, Phantom. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 4

9:39am Mon 14 Apr 14

The Phantom says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
The Phantom wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
The Phantom wrote:
OldGull wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
The video shows the main difference between note and a could of woods ago... the finishing. All the goals were superbly taken yesterday, with only Lingard missing a great chance in the second half.

The trolls must be hating this upturn in form :-)
Change of system 442 is reason behind our form, 451 won't get promotion.
If it was a strict 442 how come kaz & Jesse and to a lesser degree Solly were very fluid in their movement and swapped positions.
You call it 442,
I call it 4231

The main difference is that now Jesse has fitted into the team he plays much closer to Leo. so that Leo is not isolated.
It wasn't a problem earlier in the season when Crofts was in the team.
It has just been a void that the Albion took a while to fill.
UTA
Thanks for clarifying this for MBTS - pretty much how I understood the system too. If it was a strict 4-4-2, Solly and Kaz would have been confined to the wings throughout which they most definitely were not.
Nothing needs clarifying, of course sides interchange positions and pull players back when in need of defence, ulloa comes back to defend corners even when he was our only striker, my whole point is so simple, we have dropped ince because playing a defensive holding player means you can't push another player up along side your number 9,
And all professional sides play that way,
1) we have moved from 3 central midfielders.
2) lingard is now alongside ulloa
3) lua lua actually starts a game!
It's being positive after 40 games of running scared of losing .
The fans have wanted this for two seasons, OG is no genius for taking the same move half the premier clubs have taken
HOW MANY GOALS HAVE SUNDERLAND SCORED SINCE BRIDCUTT JOINED?
How many goals did Sunderland score before Bridcutt arrived? The answer is still very few. They are a poor side with few striking options and having to accommodate Bridcutt and Cattermole is far from ideal. This notion that half the premier league clubs dont have holding midfield players any more and that "all professional clubs play that way" is nonsense - Gerrard at Liverpool (top of the league), Matic at Chelsea (2nd in the league) etc etc disproves your point. As Solly March says in his article today, he is playing central midfield, so we still have three players in central midfield, just that one of them plays further up the field rather than the rigidness of what we had before which relied on one of Andrews, Ince and one other breaking from deep. Currently Andrews and Stephens are playing the holding role between them - when one of them goes the other stays or if we need to we can have two holding midfielders and leave the other four plus attacking full backs to create and score goals. One thing we are agreed on is that we are finding a way to get more out of our current squad of players - I dont think that makes OG a tactical genius but certainly dont think it has anything to do with giving the fans what they want.
Ladies and gentlemen, we have a winner :-) Superbly argued, Phantom.
Cheers Arnie!
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Phantom[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Phantom[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OldGull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: The video shows the main difference between note and a could of woods ago... the finishing. All the goals were superbly taken yesterday, with only Lingard missing a great chance in the second half. The trolls must be hating this upturn in form :-)[/p][/quote]Change of system 442 is reason behind our form, 451 won't get promotion.[/p][/quote]If it was a strict 442 how come kaz & Jesse and to a lesser degree Solly were very fluid in their movement and swapped positions. You call it 442, I call it 4231 The main difference is that now Jesse has fitted into the team he plays much closer to Leo. so that Leo is not isolated. It wasn't a problem earlier in the season when Crofts was in the team. It has just been a void that the Albion took a while to fill. UTA[/p][/quote]Thanks for clarifying this for MBTS - pretty much how I understood the system too. If it was a strict 4-4-2, Solly and Kaz would have been confined to the wings throughout which they most definitely were not.[/p][/quote]Nothing needs clarifying, of course sides interchange positions and pull players back when in need of defence, ulloa comes back to defend corners even when he was our only striker, my whole point is so simple, we have dropped ince because playing a defensive holding player means you can't push another player up along side your number 9, And all professional sides play that way, 1) we have moved from 3 central midfielders. 2) lingard is now alongside ulloa 3) lua lua actually starts a game! It's being positive after 40 games of running scared of losing . The fans have wanted this for two seasons, OG is no genius for taking the same move half the premier clubs have taken HOW MANY GOALS HAVE SUNDERLAND SCORED SINCE BRIDCUTT JOINED?[/p][/quote]How many goals did Sunderland score before Bridcutt arrived? The answer is still very few. They are a poor side with few striking options and having to accommodate Bridcutt and Cattermole is far from ideal. This notion that half the premier league clubs dont have holding midfield players any more and that "all professional clubs play that way" is nonsense - Gerrard at Liverpool (top of the league), Matic at Chelsea (2nd in the league) etc etc disproves your point. As Solly March says in his article today, he is playing central midfield, so we still have three players in central midfield, just that one of them plays further up the field rather than the rigidness of what we had before which relied on one of Andrews, Ince and one other breaking from deep. Currently Andrews and Stephens are playing the holding role between them - when one of them goes the other stays or if we need to we can have two holding midfielders and leave the other four plus attacking full backs to create and score goals. One thing we are agreed on is that we are finding a way to get more out of our current squad of players - I dont think that makes OG a tactical genius but certainly dont think it has anything to do with giving the fans what they want.[/p][/quote]Ladies and gentlemen, we have a winner :-) Superbly argued, Phantom.[/p][/quote]Cheers Arnie! The Phantom
  • Score: 2

9:52am Mon 14 Apr 14

jmmr316 says...

Thought this was a very comfortable and professional performance, very good performances across the pitch but thought, Greer and Upson were outstanding. I also thought Stephens had a very good game too.
Thought this was a very comfortable and professional performance, very good performances across the pitch but thought, Greer and Upson were outstanding. I also thought Stephens had a very good game too. jmmr316
  • Score: 3

10:04am Wed 16 Apr 14

Captain Haddock says...

The Phantom wrote:
MBTS, it was the whole fluidity and interchanging of positions which made us a completely different side on Saturday - sometimes 4-3-3, sometimes 4-5-1. sometimes 4-4-2. That was the whole point - it was something different for the opposition to face. That is what you can do with a player like Lingard finding pockets of space and using his quick feet and speed of thought. Although he was contributing wide left, we weren't getting the best out of him in terms of the team. It is a shame it has taken so long to properly integrate him into a productive style of play.
Is the right answer.
[quote][p][bold]The Phantom[/bold] wrote: MBTS, it was the whole fluidity and interchanging of positions which made us a completely different side on Saturday - sometimes 4-3-3, sometimes 4-5-1. sometimes 4-4-2. That was the whole point - it was something different for the opposition to face. That is what you can do with a player like Lingard finding pockets of space and using his quick feet and speed of thought. Although he was contributing wide left, we weren't getting the best out of him in terms of the team. It is a shame it has taken so long to properly integrate him into a productive style of play.[/p][/quote]Is the right answer. Captain Haddock
  • Score: 1

10:14am Wed 16 Apr 14

Captain Haddock says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
The Phantom wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
The Phantom wrote:
OldGull wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
The video shows the main difference between note and a could of woods ago... the finishing. All the goals were superbly taken yesterday, with only Lingard missing a great chance in the second half.

The trolls must be hating this upturn in form :-)
Change of system 442 is reason behind our form, 451 won't get promotion.
If it was a strict 442 how come kaz & Jesse and to a lesser degree Solly were very fluid in their movement and swapped positions.
You call it 442,
I call it 4231

The main difference is that now Jesse has fitted into the team he plays much closer to Leo. so that Leo is not isolated.
It wasn't a problem earlier in the season when Crofts was in the team.
It has just been a void that the Albion took a while to fill.
UTA
Thanks for clarifying this for MBTS - pretty much how I understood the system too. If it was a strict 4-4-2, Solly and Kaz would have been confined to the wings throughout which they most definitely were not.
Nothing needs clarifying, of course sides interchange positions and pull players back when in need of defence, ulloa comes back to defend corners even when he was our only striker, my whole point is so simple, we have dropped ince because playing a defensive holding player means you can't push another player up along side your number 9,
And all professional sides play that way,
1) we have moved from 3 central midfielders.
2) lingard is now alongside ulloa
3) lua lua actually starts a game!
It's being positive after 40 games of running scared of losing .
The fans have wanted this for two seasons, OG is no genius for taking the same move half the premier clubs have taken
HOW MANY GOALS HAVE SUNDERLAND SCORED SINCE BRIDCUTT JOINED?
How many goals did Sunderland score before Bridcutt arrived? The answer is still very few. They are a poor side with few striking options and having to accommodate Bridcutt and Cattermole is far from ideal. This notion that half the premier league clubs dont have holding midfield players any more and that "all professional clubs play that way" is nonsense - Gerrard at Liverpool (top of the league), Matic at Chelsea (2nd in the league) etc etc disproves your point. As Solly March says in his article today, he is playing central midfield, so we still have three players in central midfield, just that one of them plays further up the field rather than the rigidness of what we had before which relied on one of Andrews, Ince and one other breaking from deep. Currently Andrews and Stephens are playing the holding role between them - when one of them goes the other stays or if we need to we can have two holding midfielders and leave the other four plus attacking full backs to create and score goals. One thing we are agreed on is that we are finding a way to get more out of our current squad of players - I dont think that makes OG a tactical genius but certainly dont think it has anything to do with giving the fans what they want.
Ladies and gentlemen, we have a winner :-) Superbly argued, Phantom.
I wholeheartedly agree.
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Phantom[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Phantom[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OldGull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: The video shows the main difference between note and a could of woods ago... the finishing. All the goals were superbly taken yesterday, with only Lingard missing a great chance in the second half. The trolls must be hating this upturn in form :-)[/p][/quote]Change of system 442 is reason behind our form, 451 won't get promotion.[/p][/quote]If it was a strict 442 how come kaz & Jesse and to a lesser degree Solly were very fluid in their movement and swapped positions. You call it 442, I call it 4231 The main difference is that now Jesse has fitted into the team he plays much closer to Leo. so that Leo is not isolated. It wasn't a problem earlier in the season when Crofts was in the team. It has just been a void that the Albion took a while to fill. UTA[/p][/quote]Thanks for clarifying this for MBTS - pretty much how I understood the system too. If it was a strict 4-4-2, Solly and Kaz would have been confined to the wings throughout which they most definitely were not.[/p][/quote]Nothing needs clarifying, of course sides interchange positions and pull players back when in need of defence, ulloa comes back to defend corners even when he was our only striker, my whole point is so simple, we have dropped ince because playing a defensive holding player means you can't push another player up along side your number 9, And all professional sides play that way, 1) we have moved from 3 central midfielders. 2) lingard is now alongside ulloa 3) lua lua actually starts a game! It's being positive after 40 games of running scared of losing . The fans have wanted this for two seasons, OG is no genius for taking the same move half the premier clubs have taken HOW MANY GOALS HAVE SUNDERLAND SCORED SINCE BRIDCUTT JOINED?[/p][/quote]How many goals did Sunderland score before Bridcutt arrived? The answer is still very few. They are a poor side with few striking options and having to accommodate Bridcutt and Cattermole is far from ideal. This notion that half the premier league clubs dont have holding midfield players any more and that "all professional clubs play that way" is nonsense - Gerrard at Liverpool (top of the league), Matic at Chelsea (2nd in the league) etc etc disproves your point. As Solly March says in his article today, he is playing central midfield, so we still have three players in central midfield, just that one of them plays further up the field rather than the rigidness of what we had before which relied on one of Andrews, Ince and one other breaking from deep. Currently Andrews and Stephens are playing the holding role between them - when one of them goes the other stays or if we need to we can have two holding midfielders and leave the other four plus attacking full backs to create and score goals. One thing we are agreed on is that we are finding a way to get more out of our current squad of players - I dont think that makes OG a tactical genius but certainly dont think it has anything to do with giving the fans what they want.[/p][/quote]Ladies and gentlemen, we have a winner :-) Superbly argued, Phantom.[/p][/quote]I wholeheartedly agree. Captain Haddock
  • Score: 1

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