Talking Point: Albion's defensive record key to their challenge

Oscar Garcia does not have the wealth of attacking power at the disposal of Brendan Rodgers

Oscar Garcia does not have the wealth of attacking power at the disposal of Brendan Rodgers

First published in Sport by , Chief sports reporter

Liverpool have been wonderful to watch this season under Brendan Rodgers.

It will be refreshing if they clinch the title but, for all their attacking prowess, it does not say much for the Premier League if they win it with their dodgy defence.

It is all very well if you have Luis Suarez, Daniel Sturridge and Raheem Sterling to outscore the opposition. Most managers, including Oscar Garcia, do not have that luxury. For them the starting point has to be the increasingly lost art of defending.

Albion have kept 19 clean sheets, almost one every other game, and have by far the best defensive record of the seven sides still competing for the final play-off spot.

All the others have conceded well over 50 goals apiece compared to Albion's 39. This is hugely significant. The congested race for sixth place could well hinge on goal difference.

It would be lovely to emulate Liverpool's recent results: 3-2, 3-2, 2-1, 4-0, 2-1, 6-3 but that is fantasy stuff with the resources at Oscar's disposal.

Albion have thrown in a 4-1 at Leicester and 3-0 against Charlton in their own six-match unbeaten run but it's the eight 1-0 wins recorded in the league this season which have under-pinned their challenge. A couple more and even goal-craving supporters will be celebrating.

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3:33pm Thu 24 Apr 14

JeffLomer says...

Not the defence were worried about it's the other end were we score, god how we would love Suarez and Sturridge up front we can dream
Anyone no if Hoskins is ready yet,
Up the Albion!!!!
Not the defence were worried about it's the other end were we score, god how we would love Suarez and Sturridge up front we can dream Anyone no if Hoskins is ready yet, Up the Albion!!!! JeffLomer
  • Score: 7

3:37pm Thu 24 Apr 14

Aldrington Halt says...

We are where we are because we deserve to be there, OK the performances have been sometimes dull and we have been seen scraping by on occasion but those glimpses of greatness have been there when we were least expecting it and have kept us in contention. We may not have the likes of Suarez et al. but we aren't playing prem clubs here and however you see it you can't deny our players have talent. We know our defence is good but need to improve on attacking strategy, work on our set pieces and play those 90mins hard from the start, like every minute is the last minute a good example is the recent Leicester game. Come on you guys, you're worth it, you can do it!! SEAGULLLS!!
We are where we are because we deserve to be there, OK the performances have been sometimes dull and we have been seen scraping by on occasion but those glimpses of greatness have been there when we were least expecting it and have kept us in contention. We may not have the likes of Suarez et al. but we aren't playing prem clubs here and however you see it you can't deny our players have talent. We know our defence is good but need to improve on attacking strategy, work on our set pieces and play those 90mins hard from the start, like every minute is the last minute a good example is the recent Leicester game. Come on you guys, you're worth it, you can do it!! SEAGULLLS!! Aldrington Halt
  • Score: 12

3:38pm Thu 24 Apr 14

championshipgull says...

As I posted last night
I do wonder what (some) fans expect at times. I wonder if they go to the Amex expecting the whole game to be like highlights on MOTD. When I go, I am comparing the football to the lower leagues at Withdean. Guess this can go some way to explaining a difference in opinion. As far as I am concerned some of the football at the Amex is the best I have ever seen and with 20,000+ season ticket sales already for next season most supporters must be enjoying it.
As I posted last night I do wonder what (some) fans expect at times. I wonder if they go to the Amex expecting the whole game to be like highlights on MOTD. When I go, I am comparing the football to the lower leagues at Withdean. Guess this can go some way to explaining a difference in opinion. As far as I am concerned some of the football at the Amex is the best I have ever seen and with 20,000+ season ticket sales already for next season most supporters must be enjoying it. championshipgull
  • Score: 17

3:50pm Thu 24 Apr 14

Aldrington Halt says...

championshipgull wrote:
As I posted last night
I do wonder what (some) fans expect at times. I wonder if they go to the Amex expecting the whole game to be like highlights on MOTD. When I go, I am comparing the football to the lower leagues at Withdean. Guess this can go some way to explaining a difference in opinion. As far as I am concerned some of the football at the Amex is the best I have ever seen and with 20,000+ season ticket sales already for next season most supporters must be enjoying it.
Good post, Rome wasn't built in a day!
[quote][p][bold]championshipgull[/bold] wrote: As I posted last night I do wonder what (some) fans expect at times. I wonder if they go to the Amex expecting the whole game to be like highlights on MOTD. When I go, I am comparing the football to the lower leagues at Withdean. Guess this can go some way to explaining a difference in opinion. As far as I am concerned some of the football at the Amex is the best I have ever seen and with 20,000+ season ticket sales already for next season most supporters must be enjoying it.[/p][/quote]Good post, Rome wasn't built in a day! Aldrington Halt
  • Score: 5

4:26pm Thu 24 Apr 14

Norfolk and way says...

Liverpool are great to watch, and for less money than going to the albion.
Liverpool are great to watch, and for less money than going to the albion. Norfolk and way
  • Score: -7

4:39pm Thu 24 Apr 14

mfarquharson says...

Albion have kept 19 clean sheets, almost one every other game, and have by far the best defensive record of the seven sides still competing for the final play-off spot.

But Burnley have conceded 4 goals less than us? how do we have by far the best defensive record?
Albion have kept 19 clean sheets, almost one every other game, and have by far the best defensive record of the seven sides still competing for the final play-off spot. But Burnley have conceded 4 goals less than us? how do we have by far the best defensive record? mfarquharson
  • Score: -1

4:44pm Thu 24 Apr 14

ballantrrae says...

Yes as this article points out our defence has been excellent and is the main reason that we are still in with a shout of the play-offs.
That really is the problem since with the exception of Ward who is only on loan our regular defenders are the wrong side of 30 and may not be as effective next season.
The likelihood of TK not being with us if we don't get promoted will certainly have an added impact since he has helped us draw/win on a number of occasions this year.
Oscar will have some important and interesting decisions to make when rebuilding the squad this Summer. Whilst strengthening our attack (strikers and attacking midfield) will clearly be a priority so we become less reliant on our back 5, freshening up the defence will be another key area for him to address.
Liverpool's 'fantasy football' might be a pipedream but it is exciting to watch and has proved effective for them so far this season. What Rodgers seems to have grasped is the need, and actually only requirement in football to win, of scoring more goals than the opposition rather than trying to ensure one doesn't lose by not conceding goals.
So Oscar having instilled good defensive disciplines into BHA now needs to galvanise our front players the way Rodgers has with Liverpool. Of course Rodgers has the benefit of being able to select a truly gifted footballer in Suarez.
The use of three attacking players just behind Ulloa (namely LuaLua, Lingard and March) has given us a glimpse in a couple of games (Leicester and Charlton recently) of what Oscar might be able to achieve next season assuming we have a good pre-season both from a recruiting and training perspective. It also assumes we might see a significant reduction in our injury list.
Finally one should never forget that football is a team game and needs all 11 players on the pitch working effectively together to prevail not just one section of the team like the defence.
UTA.
Yes as this article points out our defence has been excellent and is the main reason that we are still in with a shout of the play-offs. That really is the problem since with the exception of Ward who is only on loan our regular defenders are the wrong side of 30 and may not be as effective next season. The likelihood of TK not being with us if we don't get promoted will certainly have an added impact since he has helped us draw/win on a number of occasions this year. Oscar will have some important and interesting decisions to make when rebuilding the squad this Summer. Whilst strengthening our attack (strikers and attacking midfield) will clearly be a priority so we become less reliant on our back 5, freshening up the defence will be another key area for him to address. Liverpool's 'fantasy football' might be a pipedream but it is exciting to watch and has proved effective for them so far this season. What Rodgers seems to have grasped is the need, and actually only requirement in football to win, of scoring more goals than the opposition rather than trying to ensure one doesn't lose by not conceding goals. So Oscar having instilled good defensive disciplines into BHA now needs to galvanise our front players the way Rodgers has with Liverpool. Of course Rodgers has the benefit of being able to select a truly gifted footballer in Suarez. The use of three attacking players just behind Ulloa (namely LuaLua, Lingard and March) has given us a glimpse in a couple of games (Leicester and Charlton recently) of what Oscar might be able to achieve next season assuming we have a good pre-season both from a recruiting and training perspective. It also assumes we might see a significant reduction in our injury list. Finally one should never forget that football is a team game and needs all 11 players on the pitch working effectively together to prevail not just one section of the team like the defence. UTA. ballantrrae
  • Score: 7

4:54pm Thu 24 Apr 14

To baldly go says...

Liverpools dodgy defence! they have only conceded 44 goals and there is only six teams that have conceded less so hardly dodgy! We know how good our defence is but haven't used this to our advantage imo, a more attack minded approach at home and a few more goals scored would have bought enough points to have us safe in the playoffs, look at the top 2 in the championship, conceded similar amount of goals but look at the goals scored!
Don't get me wrong, I want the same as everyone else, promotion, but lets do it in an entertaining style! Tomorrow is s*** or bust, if we play not to concede again and come unstuck watch the place empty, win 3 or 4 nil and the pressure will be on Reading to win. UTA
Liverpools dodgy defence! they have only conceded 44 goals and there is only six teams that have conceded less so hardly dodgy! We know how good our defence is but haven't used this to our advantage imo, a more attack minded approach at home and a few more goals scored would have bought enough points to have us safe in the playoffs, look at the top 2 in the championship, conceded similar amount of goals but look at the goals scored! Don't get me wrong, I want the same as everyone else, promotion, but lets do it in an entertaining style! Tomorrow is s*** or bust, if we play not to concede again and come unstuck watch the place empty, win 3 or 4 nil and the pressure will be on Reading to win. UTA To baldly go
  • Score: 8

5:00pm Thu 24 Apr 14

pte says...

Oh dear making failure to score a positive. Of course you're not going to concede if you don't take chances

Still I haven't given up yet on the play-offs
Oh dear making failure to score a positive. Of course you're not going to concede if you don't take chances Still I haven't given up yet on the play-offs pte
  • Score: 2

5:05pm Thu 24 Apr 14

fratsomrover says...

I go to football to be entertained. For me entertainment comes in the form of excitement, great skill and pace, and goals.
I'd love Brighton to play like Liverpool and I wish we had "the Championship" equivalent of Suarez, Sturridge & Sterling.
Maybe, Ulloa, Buckley, Lingard, March, Lua Lua might be that one day, but it takes more than clinical strikers to score goals. It takes a mindset from the coaching staff that says " lets go out and outscore the opposition" " lets put them under pressure from the first minute"
Who knows, how we'd end up if we went out and scored 1 or 2 goals in the opening 15 minutes. We rarely have 1 or 2 shots, let alone goals.
Scoring goals is a great habit to get into. It breeds confidence and it excites the crowd. There is nothing more fulfilling than scoring a goal and being cheered at by 23,000 fans. There's nothing more motivating than that.
I love and support Brighton and nothing would make me more pleased than to see us as top scorers in the division. If we were, we probably would be promoted.
On the other hand, we could concede less than anybody else, and probably wont be promoted.
Conceding less also fail to excite fans and create the buzz that scoring goals does.
So for me, I'd rather lose 4 v 3 than 1 v 0, because at least then I can say I've been entertained and seen some goals.
Furthermore, there is a greater picture.
I think clubs have a responsibility to entertain. Football has a global audience because it is entertaining. Lose the entertainment and you lose the audience.
It's not just the result that is important, it is how the result is attained and football clubs owe it to the game to ensure entertainment is paramount.
Not many goalless draws are exciting, and as much as I appreciate good defences, I am far more appreciative of good, exciting attacking endeavour.
If you need convincing, then note the 3 top scoring teams in The Championship are Leicester, Burnley and Derby and one of them has scored 30 more goals than us and secured 30 more points than we have.
GOALS, GOALS, GOALS. They win games !!!!
I go to football to be entertained. For me entertainment comes in the form of excitement, great skill and pace, and goals. I'd love Brighton to play like Liverpool and I wish we had "the Championship" equivalent of Suarez, Sturridge & Sterling. Maybe, Ulloa, Buckley, Lingard, March, Lua Lua might be that one day, but it takes more than clinical strikers to score goals. It takes a mindset from the coaching staff that says " lets go out and outscore the opposition" " lets put them under pressure from the first minute" Who knows, how we'd end up if we went out and scored 1 or 2 goals in the opening 15 minutes. We rarely have 1 or 2 shots, let alone goals. Scoring goals is a great habit to get into. It breeds confidence and it excites the crowd. There is nothing more fulfilling than scoring a goal and being cheered at by 23,000 fans. There's nothing more motivating than that. I love and support Brighton and nothing would make me more pleased than to see us as top scorers in the division. If we were, we probably would be promoted. On the other hand, we could concede less than anybody else, and probably wont be promoted. Conceding less also fail to excite fans and create the buzz that scoring goals does. So for me, I'd rather lose 4 v 3 than 1 v 0, because at least then I can say I've been entertained and seen some goals. Furthermore, there is a greater picture. I think clubs have a responsibility to entertain. Football has a global audience because it is entertaining. Lose the entertainment and you lose the audience. It's not just the result that is important, it is how the result is attained and football clubs owe it to the game to ensure entertainment is paramount. Not many goalless draws are exciting, and as much as I appreciate good defences, I am far more appreciative of good, exciting attacking endeavour. If you need convincing, then note the 3 top scoring teams in The Championship are Leicester, Burnley and Derby and one of them has scored 30 more goals than us and secured 30 more points than we have. GOALS, GOALS, GOALS. They win games !!!! fratsomrover
  • Score: 15

5:11pm Thu 24 Apr 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

mfarquharson wrote:
Albion have kept 19 clean sheets, almost one every other game, and have by far the best defensive record of the seven sides still competing for the final play-off spot.

But Burnley have conceded 4 goals less than us? how do we have by far the best defensive record?
"by far the best defensive record of the seven sides still competing for the final play-off spot"

That seven does not include Burnley, obviously.
[quote][p][bold]mfarquharson[/bold] wrote: Albion have kept 19 clean sheets, almost one every other game, and have by far the best defensive record of the seven sides still competing for the final play-off spot. But Burnley have conceded 4 goals less than us? how do we have by far the best defensive record?[/p][/quote]"by far the best defensive record of the seven sides still competing for the final play-off spot" That seven does not include Burnley, obviously. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 6

5:11pm Thu 24 Apr 14

To baldly go says...

fratsomrover wrote:
I go to football to be entertained. For me entertainment comes in the form of excitement, great skill and pace, and goals.
I'd love Brighton to play like Liverpool and I wish we had "the Championship" equivalent of Suarez, Sturridge & Sterling.
Maybe, Ulloa, Buckley, Lingard, March, Lua Lua might be that one day, but it takes more than clinical strikers to score goals. It takes a mindset from the coaching staff that says " lets go out and outscore the opposition" " lets put them under pressure from the first minute"
Who knows, how we'd end up if we went out and scored 1 or 2 goals in the opening 15 minutes. We rarely have 1 or 2 shots, let alone goals.
Scoring goals is a great habit to get into. It breeds confidence and it excites the crowd. There is nothing more fulfilling than scoring a goal and being cheered at by 23,000 fans. There's nothing more motivating than that.
I love and support Brighton and nothing would make me more pleased than to see us as top scorers in the division. If we were, we probably would be promoted.
On the other hand, we could concede less than anybody else, and probably wont be promoted.
Conceding less also fail to excite fans and create the buzz that scoring goals does.
So for me, I'd rather lose 4 v 3 than 1 v 0, because at least then I can say I've been entertained and seen some goals.
Furthermore, there is a greater picture.
I think clubs have a responsibility to entertain. Football has a global audience because it is entertaining. Lose the entertainment and you lose the audience.
It's not just the result that is important, it is how the result is attained and football clubs owe it to the game to ensure entertainment is paramount.
Not many goalless draws are exciting, and as much as I appreciate good defences, I am far more appreciative of good, exciting attacking endeavour.
If you need convincing, then note the 3 top scoring teams in The Championship are Leicester, Burnley and Derby and one of them has scored 30 more goals than us and secured 30 more points than we have.
GOALS, GOALS, GOALS. They win games !!!!
Totally agree, take the Wigan game as a prime example, we lost but lost well, if that makes sense, and I for one went home content.
[quote][p][bold]fratsomrover[/bold] wrote: I go to football to be entertained. For me entertainment comes in the form of excitement, great skill and pace, and goals. I'd love Brighton to play like Liverpool and I wish we had "the Championship" equivalent of Suarez, Sturridge & Sterling. Maybe, Ulloa, Buckley, Lingard, March, Lua Lua might be that one day, but it takes more than clinical strikers to score goals. It takes a mindset from the coaching staff that says " lets go out and outscore the opposition" " lets put them under pressure from the first minute" Who knows, how we'd end up if we went out and scored 1 or 2 goals in the opening 15 minutes. We rarely have 1 or 2 shots, let alone goals. Scoring goals is a great habit to get into. It breeds confidence and it excites the crowd. There is nothing more fulfilling than scoring a goal and being cheered at by 23,000 fans. There's nothing more motivating than that. I love and support Brighton and nothing would make me more pleased than to see us as top scorers in the division. If we were, we probably would be promoted. On the other hand, we could concede less than anybody else, and probably wont be promoted. Conceding less also fail to excite fans and create the buzz that scoring goals does. So for me, I'd rather lose 4 v 3 than 1 v 0, because at least then I can say I've been entertained and seen some goals. Furthermore, there is a greater picture. I think clubs have a responsibility to entertain. Football has a global audience because it is entertaining. Lose the entertainment and you lose the audience. It's not just the result that is important, it is how the result is attained and football clubs owe it to the game to ensure entertainment is paramount. Not many goalless draws are exciting, and as much as I appreciate good defences, I am far more appreciative of good, exciting attacking endeavour. If you need convincing, then note the 3 top scoring teams in The Championship are Leicester, Burnley and Derby and one of them has scored 30 more goals than us and secured 30 more points than we have. GOALS, GOALS, GOALS. They win games !!!![/p][/quote]Totally agree, take the Wigan game as a prime example, we lost but lost well, if that makes sense, and I for one went home content. To baldly go
  • Score: 10

5:17pm Thu 24 Apr 14

albionfan64 says...

championshipgull wrote:
As I posted last night
I do wonder what (some) fans expect at times. I wonder if they go to the Amex expecting the whole game to be like highlights on MOTD. When I go, I am comparing the football to the lower leagues at Withdean. Guess this can go some way to explaining a difference in opinion. As far as I am concerned some of the football at the Amex is the best I have ever seen and with 20,000+ season ticket sales already for next season most supporters must be enjoying it.
Fair points made, but the problem a lot of fans have is the fact that we have bossed games and had very little in the way of points to show for it.

Whether there is an expectation or not, to have the lions share of games is a feat in itself and the Albion are renown for it now. That end result of a few more goals can be fixed if we continue to play our way.

2014/15 = massive clear out and two new bl@@dy good strikers. UTA
[quote][p][bold]championshipgull[/bold] wrote: As I posted last night I do wonder what (some) fans expect at times. I wonder if they go to the Amex expecting the whole game to be like highlights on MOTD. When I go, I am comparing the football to the lower leagues at Withdean. Guess this can go some way to explaining a difference in opinion. As far as I am concerned some of the football at the Amex is the best I have ever seen and with 20,000+ season ticket sales already for next season most supporters must be enjoying it.[/p][/quote]Fair points made, but the problem a lot of fans have is the fact that we have bossed games and had very little in the way of points to show for it. Whether there is an expectation or not, to have the lions share of games is a feat in itself and the Albion are renown for it now. That end result of a few more goals can be fixed if we continue to play our way. 2014/15 = massive clear out and two new bl@@dy good strikers. UTA albionfan64
  • Score: 0

5:22pm Thu 24 Apr 14

Claude Back says...

fratsomrover wrote:
I go to football to be entertained. For me entertainment comes in the form of excitement, great skill and pace, and goals.
I'd love Brighton to play like Liverpool and I wish we had "the Championship" equivalent of Suarez, Sturridge & Sterling.
Maybe, Ulloa, Buckley, Lingard, March, Lua Lua might be that one day, but it takes more than clinical strikers to score goals. It takes a mindset from the coaching staff that says " lets go out and outscore the opposition" " lets put them under pressure from the first minute"
Who knows, how we'd end up if we went out and scored 1 or 2 goals in the opening 15 minutes. We rarely have 1 or 2 shots, let alone goals.
Scoring goals is a great habit to get into. It breeds confidence and it excites the crowd. There is nothing more fulfilling than scoring a goal and being cheered at by 23,000 fans. There's nothing more motivating than that.
I love and support Brighton and nothing would make me more pleased than to see us as top scorers in the division. If we were, we probably would be promoted.
On the other hand, we could concede less than anybody else, and probably wont be promoted.
Conceding less also fail to excite fans and create the buzz that scoring goals does.
So for me, I'd rather lose 4 v 3 than 1 v 0, because at least then I can say I've been entertained and seen some goals.
Furthermore, there is a greater picture.
I think clubs have a responsibility to entertain. Football has a global audience because it is entertaining. Lose the entertainment and you lose the audience.
It's not just the result that is important, it is how the result is attained and football clubs owe it to the game to ensure entertainment is paramount.
Not many goalless draws are exciting, and as much as I appreciate good defences, I am far more appreciative of good, exciting attacking endeavour.
If you need convincing, then note the 3 top scoring teams in The Championship are Leicester, Burnley and Derby and one of them has scored 30 more goals than us and secured 30 more points than we have.
GOALS, GOALS, GOALS. They win games !!!!
You are far too sensible for this site. ;-)
[quote][p][bold]fratsomrover[/bold] wrote: I go to football to be entertained. For me entertainment comes in the form of excitement, great skill and pace, and goals. I'd love Brighton to play like Liverpool and I wish we had "the Championship" equivalent of Suarez, Sturridge & Sterling. Maybe, Ulloa, Buckley, Lingard, March, Lua Lua might be that one day, but it takes more than clinical strikers to score goals. It takes a mindset from the coaching staff that says " lets go out and outscore the opposition" " lets put them under pressure from the first minute" Who knows, how we'd end up if we went out and scored 1 or 2 goals in the opening 15 minutes. We rarely have 1 or 2 shots, let alone goals. Scoring goals is a great habit to get into. It breeds confidence and it excites the crowd. There is nothing more fulfilling than scoring a goal and being cheered at by 23,000 fans. There's nothing more motivating than that. I love and support Brighton and nothing would make me more pleased than to see us as top scorers in the division. If we were, we probably would be promoted. On the other hand, we could concede less than anybody else, and probably wont be promoted. Conceding less also fail to excite fans and create the buzz that scoring goals does. So for me, I'd rather lose 4 v 3 than 1 v 0, because at least then I can say I've been entertained and seen some goals. Furthermore, there is a greater picture. I think clubs have a responsibility to entertain. Football has a global audience because it is entertaining. Lose the entertainment and you lose the audience. It's not just the result that is important, it is how the result is attained and football clubs owe it to the game to ensure entertainment is paramount. Not many goalless draws are exciting, and as much as I appreciate good defences, I am far more appreciative of good, exciting attacking endeavour. If you need convincing, then note the 3 top scoring teams in The Championship are Leicester, Burnley and Derby and one of them has scored 30 more goals than us and secured 30 more points than we have. GOALS, GOALS, GOALS. They win games !!!![/p][/quote]You are far too sensible for this site. ;-) Claude Back
  • Score: 3

5:24pm Thu 24 Apr 14

a1a1a1 says...

I happen to live in Bournemouth, but have supported the Albion for 20 years. Having watched B-mouth destroy Reading 3.1 the other day, with complete pace and power and urgency, i thought of the Ipswich match i watched at the AMEX which was the complete opposite. Slow, tedious and plain boring to watch to be honest. Is it any wonder the only noise that day from the entire ground that we could hear was the group of girls from a school or club that were chanting non stop. Playing one paced back and forth sideways and backwards isnt going to entertain anyone and get them on their feet or chanting im afraid.
I happen to live in Bournemouth, but have supported the Albion for 20 years. Having watched B-mouth destroy Reading 3.1 the other day, with complete pace and power and urgency, i thought of the Ipswich match i watched at the AMEX which was the complete opposite. Slow, tedious and plain boring to watch to be honest. Is it any wonder the only noise that day from the entire ground that we could hear was the group of girls from a school or club that were chanting non stop. Playing one paced back and forth sideways and backwards isnt going to entertain anyone and get them on their feet or chanting im afraid. a1a1a1
  • Score: 0

5:30pm Thu 24 Apr 14

Claude Back says...

Claude Back wrote:
fratsomrover wrote:
I go to football to be entertained. For me entertainment comes in the form of excitement, great skill and pace, and goals.
I'd love Brighton to play like Liverpool and I wish we had "the Championship" equivalent of Suarez, Sturridge & Sterling.
Maybe, Ulloa, Buckley, Lingard, March, Lua Lua might be that one day, but it takes more than clinical strikers to score goals. It takes a mindset from the coaching staff that says " lets go out and outscore the opposition" " lets put them under pressure from the first minute"
Who knows, how we'd end up if we went out and scored 1 or 2 goals in the opening 15 minutes. We rarely have 1 or 2 shots, let alone goals.
Scoring goals is a great habit to get into. It breeds confidence and it excites the crowd. There is nothing more fulfilling than scoring a goal and being cheered at by 23,000 fans. There's nothing more motivating than that.
I love and support Brighton and nothing would make me more pleased than to see us as top scorers in the division. If we were, we probably would be promoted.
On the other hand, we could concede less than anybody else, and probably wont be promoted.
Conceding less also fail to excite fans and create the buzz that scoring goals does.
So for me, I'd rather lose 4 v 3 than 1 v 0, because at least then I can say I've been entertained and seen some goals.
Furthermore, there is a greater picture.
I think clubs have a responsibility to entertain. Football has a global audience because it is entertaining. Lose the entertainment and you lose the audience.
It's not just the result that is important, it is how the result is attained and football clubs owe it to the game to ensure entertainment is paramount.
Not many goalless draws are exciting, and as much as I appreciate good defences, I am far more appreciative of good, exciting attacking endeavour.
If you need convincing, then note the 3 top scoring teams in The Championship are Leicester, Burnley and Derby and one of them has scored 30 more goals than us and secured 30 more points than we have.
GOALS, GOALS, GOALS. They win games !!!!
You are far too sensible for this site. ;-)
A brilliant summation and eloquently put.
I fail to see how anyone can enter an opposite plea....but no doubt a couple will try.
[quote][p][bold]Claude Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fratsomrover[/bold] wrote: I go to football to be entertained. For me entertainment comes in the form of excitement, great skill and pace, and goals. I'd love Brighton to play like Liverpool and I wish we had "the Championship" equivalent of Suarez, Sturridge & Sterling. Maybe, Ulloa, Buckley, Lingard, March, Lua Lua might be that one day, but it takes more than clinical strikers to score goals. It takes a mindset from the coaching staff that says " lets go out and outscore the opposition" " lets put them under pressure from the first minute" Who knows, how we'd end up if we went out and scored 1 or 2 goals in the opening 15 minutes. We rarely have 1 or 2 shots, let alone goals. Scoring goals is a great habit to get into. It breeds confidence and it excites the crowd. There is nothing more fulfilling than scoring a goal and being cheered at by 23,000 fans. There's nothing more motivating than that. I love and support Brighton and nothing would make me more pleased than to see us as top scorers in the division. If we were, we probably would be promoted. On the other hand, we could concede less than anybody else, and probably wont be promoted. Conceding less also fail to excite fans and create the buzz that scoring goals does. So for me, I'd rather lose 4 v 3 than 1 v 0, because at least then I can say I've been entertained and seen some goals. Furthermore, there is a greater picture. I think clubs have a responsibility to entertain. Football has a global audience because it is entertaining. Lose the entertainment and you lose the audience. It's not just the result that is important, it is how the result is attained and football clubs owe it to the game to ensure entertainment is paramount. Not many goalless draws are exciting, and as much as I appreciate good defences, I am far more appreciative of good, exciting attacking endeavour. If you need convincing, then note the 3 top scoring teams in The Championship are Leicester, Burnley and Derby and one of them has scored 30 more goals than us and secured 30 more points than we have. GOALS, GOALS, GOALS. They win games !!!![/p][/quote]You are far too sensible for this site. ;-)[/p][/quote]A brilliant summation and eloquently put. I fail to see how anyone can enter an opposite plea....but no doubt a couple will try. Claude Back
  • Score: 5

5:39pm Thu 24 Apr 14

elljam says...

Our defensive record is good because the main priority for our midfield has been to protect the back four in preference to supporting Ulloa. It's only in some of the recent games (Leicester/Charlton) when this has been different. For a while his preferred middle three was Andrew, Ince & JFC which says quite a lot about the managers mindset.
Trust me, if we played a little more open & went at the opposition (ala Liverpool) you would see that some of our defenders would not look as good without the protection given to them.
Managers make the choice to either play more open, football, getting bodies forward (Liverpool, Arsenal, Man City etc) or defend in numbers & hope for something on the break (Chelsea, Crystal Palace, Aston Villa etc). For the majority of this season we have preferred to have the bodies in our own half rather than the opposition's hence our "Great defence"
You could argue that playing deep is just as or more successful but usually only if you are prepared to counter attack at pace, something we rarely do.
Personally I'd much rather be entertained on a regular basis & accept conceding a few more goals if it meant we got more bodies forward & created more chances because however you look at it our chances-per-game average must be pretty low this season, despite Oscar repeatedly claiming differently. Also I've probably seen our opponents miss as many good chances as we have but that never seems to get mentioned.
I think (or at least hope) Oscar is beginning to realise us fans want more forward thinking players on the pitch because this is an entertainment industry as well as a results one.
Our defensive record is good because the main priority for our midfield has been to protect the back four in preference to supporting Ulloa. It's only in some of the recent games (Leicester/Charlton) when this has been different. For a while his preferred middle three was Andrew, Ince & JFC which says quite a lot about the managers mindset. Trust me, if we played a little more open & went at the opposition (ala Liverpool) you would see that some of our defenders would not look as good without the protection given to them. Managers make the choice to either play more open, football, getting bodies forward (Liverpool, Arsenal, Man City etc) or defend in numbers & hope for something on the break (Chelsea, Crystal Palace, Aston Villa etc). For the majority of this season we have preferred to have the bodies in our own half rather than the opposition's hence our "Great defence" You could argue that playing deep is just as or more successful but usually only if you are prepared to counter attack at pace, something we rarely do. Personally I'd much rather be entertained on a regular basis & accept conceding a few more goals if it meant we got more bodies forward & created more chances because however you look at it our chances-per-game average must be pretty low this season, despite Oscar repeatedly claiming differently. Also I've probably seen our opponents miss as many good chances as we have but that never seems to get mentioned. I think (or at least hope) Oscar is beginning to realise us fans want more forward thinking players on the pitch because this is an entertainment industry as well as a results one. elljam
  • Score: 10

6:06pm Thu 24 Apr 14

Neville says...

albionfan 64
Agree we have bossed lots of games unfortunately it has been in our half where we do not threaten to score.
albionfan 64 Agree we have bossed lots of games unfortunately it has been in our half where we do not threaten to score. Neville
  • Score: -2

6:09pm Thu 24 Apr 14

SMF20 says...

What an absolute crock this story is. If we truly have the attitude of defence 1st because we don't have enough up top then it explains an awful lot.

We do as has been pointed out have a sound defence and we don't as has also been pointed out have a Suarez, Sturridge and Sterling.
We do though have the championship equivalent though in my mind and I for one am very happy with that. I wouldn't swap Buckley, Ulloa or CMS/Lingard for too many other in our division and so for me this is a complete non story and if I'm honest, a bit of an insult to our own boys.

No reason at all to use the Liverpool boys as an excuse for not playing attacking football. Just my opinion as always

Uta
What an absolute crock this story is. If we truly have the attitude of defence 1st because we don't have enough up top then it explains an awful lot. We do as has been pointed out have a sound defence and we don't as has also been pointed out have a Suarez, Sturridge and Sterling. We do though have the championship equivalent though in my mind and I for one am very happy with that. I wouldn't swap Buckley, Ulloa or CMS/Lingard for too many other in our division and so for me this is a complete non story and if I'm honest, a bit of an insult to our own boys. No reason at all to use the Liverpool boys as an excuse for not playing attacking football. Just my opinion as always Uta SMF20
  • Score: 5

6:50pm Thu 24 Apr 14

fairweathersupporter says...

elljam wrote:
Our defensive record is good because the main priority for our midfield has been to protect the back four in preference to supporting Ulloa. It's only in some of the recent games (Leicester/Charlton) when this has been different. For a while his preferred middle three was Andrew, Ince & JFC which says quite a lot about the managers mindset.
Trust me, if we played a little more open & went at the opposition (ala Liverpool) you would see that some of our defenders would not look as good without the protection given to them.
Managers make the choice to either play more open, football, getting bodies forward (Liverpool, Arsenal, Man City etc) or defend in numbers & hope for something on the break (Chelsea, Crystal Palace, Aston Villa etc). For the majority of this season we have preferred to have the bodies in our own half rather than the opposition's hence our "Great defence"
You could argue that playing deep is just as or more successful but usually only if you are prepared to counter attack at pace, something we rarely do.
Personally I'd much rather be entertained on a regular basis & accept conceding a few more goals if it meant we got more bodies forward & created more chances because however you look at it our chances-per-game average must be pretty low this season, despite Oscar repeatedly claiming differently. Also I've probably seen our opponents miss as many good chances as we have but that never seems to get mentioned.
I think (or at least hope) Oscar is beginning to realise us fans want more forward thinking players on the pitch because this is an entertainment industry as well as a results one.
Not sure thumbs up does this justice. So i'll quote it instead and spare you my comments as they are mirrored here.
[quote][p][bold]elljam[/bold] wrote: Our defensive record is good because the main priority for our midfield has been to protect the back four in preference to supporting Ulloa. It's only in some of the recent games (Leicester/Charlton) when this has been different. For a while his preferred middle three was Andrew, Ince & JFC which says quite a lot about the managers mindset. Trust me, if we played a little more open & went at the opposition (ala Liverpool) you would see that some of our defenders would not look as good without the protection given to them. Managers make the choice to either play more open, football, getting bodies forward (Liverpool, Arsenal, Man City etc) or defend in numbers & hope for something on the break (Chelsea, Crystal Palace, Aston Villa etc). For the majority of this season we have preferred to have the bodies in our own half rather than the opposition's hence our "Great defence" You could argue that playing deep is just as or more successful but usually only if you are prepared to counter attack at pace, something we rarely do. Personally I'd much rather be entertained on a regular basis & accept conceding a few more goals if it meant we got more bodies forward & created more chances because however you look at it our chances-per-game average must be pretty low this season, despite Oscar repeatedly claiming differently. Also I've probably seen our opponents miss as many good chances as we have but that never seems to get mentioned. I think (or at least hope) Oscar is beginning to realise us fans want more forward thinking players on the pitch because this is an entertainment industry as well as a results one.[/p][/quote]Not sure thumbs up does this justice. So i'll quote it instead and spare you my comments as they are mirrored here. fairweathersupporter
  • Score: 6

7:58pm Thu 24 Apr 14

mark by the sea says...

SMF20 wrote:
What an absolute crock this story is. If we truly have the attitude of defence 1st because we don't have enough up top then it explains an awful lot.

We do as has been pointed out have a sound defence and we don't as has also been pointed out have a Suarez, Sturridge and Sterling.
We do though have the championship equivalent though in my mind and I for one am very happy with that. I wouldn't swap Buckley, Ulloa or CMS/Lingard for too many other in our division and so for me this is a complete non story and if I'm honest, a bit of an insult to our own boys.

No reason at all to use the Liverpool boys as an excuse for not playing attacking football. Just my opinion as always

Uta
Yes the difference between Liverpool and brighton is they have had at least two strikers in the side, we have struggled to have two in the 18, when you think ulloa and Barnes were banned or injured prior to Xmas .
OG has changed to a more attacking 18 in last few weeks , but I don't see anyone bursting into the box to try and get on the end of a cross .
[quote][p][bold]SMF20[/bold] wrote: What an absolute crock this story is. If we truly have the attitude of defence 1st because we don't have enough up top then it explains an awful lot. We do as has been pointed out have a sound defence and we don't as has also been pointed out have a Suarez, Sturridge and Sterling. We do though have the championship equivalent though in my mind and I for one am very happy with that. I wouldn't swap Buckley, Ulloa or CMS/Lingard for too many other in our division and so for me this is a complete non story and if I'm honest, a bit of an insult to our own boys. No reason at all to use the Liverpool boys as an excuse for not playing attacking football. Just my opinion as always Uta[/p][/quote]Yes the difference between Liverpool and brighton is they have had at least two strikers in the side, we have struggled to have two in the 18, when you think ulloa and Barnes were banned or injured prior to Xmas . OG has changed to a more attacking 18 in last few weeks , but I don't see anyone bursting into the box to try and get on the end of a cross . mark by the sea
  • Score: 1

8:33pm Thu 24 Apr 14

gordongull says...

Football as entertainment? It'll never catch on. At least not the Garcia version.
Football as entertainment? It'll never catch on. At least not the Garcia version. gordongull
  • Score: -4

11:00pm Thu 24 Apr 14

OldGull says...

mfarquharson wrote:
Albion have kept 19 clean sheets, almost one every other game, and have by far the best defensive record of the seven sides still competing for the final play-off spot.

But Burnley have conceded 4 goals less than us? how do we have by far the best defensive record?
Don't think Burnley are competing for a play off place!
Last time I looked they were already promoted
[quote][p][bold]mfarquharson[/bold] wrote: Albion have kept 19 clean sheets, almost one every other game, and have by far the best defensive record of the seven sides still competing for the final play-off spot. But Burnley have conceded 4 goals less than us? how do we have by far the best defensive record?[/p][/quote]Don't think Burnley are competing for a play off place! Last time I looked they were already promoted OldGull
  • Score: 2

11:02pm Thu 24 Apr 14

Wiggsy says...

..........while Kevin Keegan noted in the club's magazine, "We have played some wonderful football and I'm well aware that most of the neutral fans in this country feel that we've entertained them better than any other club. But that's not a consolation - I wanted Newcastle United to be champions and we're not the champions".
..........while Kevin Keegan noted in the club's magazine, "We have played some wonderful football and I'm well aware that most of the neutral fans in this country feel that we've entertained them better than any other club. But that's not a consolation - I wanted Newcastle United to be champions and we're not the champions". Wiggsy
  • Score: 2

11:41pm Thu 24 Apr 14

Hugothepug says...

SMF20 wrote:
What an absolute crock this story is. If we truly have the attitude of defence 1st because we don't have enough up top then it explains an awful lot.

We do as has been pointed out have a sound defence and we don't as has also been pointed out have a Suarez, Sturridge and Sterling.
We do though have the championship equivalent though in my mind and I for one am very happy with that. I wouldn't swap Buckley, Ulloa or CMS/Lingard for too many other in our division and so for me this is a complete non story and if I'm honest, a bit of an insult to our own boys.

No reason at all to use the Liverpool boys as an excuse for not playing attacking football. Just my opinion as always

Uta
Conway?
[quote][p][bold]SMF20[/bold] wrote: What an absolute crock this story is. If we truly have the attitude of defence 1st because we don't have enough up top then it explains an awful lot. We do as has been pointed out have a sound defence and we don't as has also been pointed out have a Suarez, Sturridge and Sterling. We do though have the championship equivalent though in my mind and I for one am very happy with that. I wouldn't swap Buckley, Ulloa or CMS/Lingard for too many other in our division and so for me this is a complete non story and if I'm honest, a bit of an insult to our own boys. No reason at all to use the Liverpool boys as an excuse for not playing attacking football. Just my opinion as always Uta[/p][/quote]Conway? Hugothepug
  • Score: 0

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