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Oscar pledges his battered troops will be ready for Rams

The Argus: Oscar Garcia is now focused on the play-offs after the excitement of snatching a play-off spot Oscar Garcia is now focused on the play-offs after the excitement of snatching a play-off spot

Albion head coach Oscar Garcia has vowed to have his battered troops ready for the challenge of toppling Derby County in the play-offs.

The Seagulls have refocused on Thursday evening’s first leg at the Amex following Saturday’s sapping and exhilarating snatching of sixth spot at Nottingham Forest.

Oscar will almost certainly be without Bruno (groin) and Dale Stephens (ankle) again for Derby’s visit.

Keith Andrews and Matt Upson were among the players also carrying knocks ahead of the Forest game but Albion have regrouped as they attempt to avenge their two narrow defeats against Derby during the regular season.

Oscar told The Argus: “We have a game on Thursday against a team we haven’t beaten in the league and we will be ready to try to beat them.

“We are at home in the first game in front of our fans and I’m sure it will be a great atmosphere. We’ll do our best.

“They (Derby) deserve to be there, they deserved to finish third. “For me they were the third-best team in the league. Their season was fantastic but we will be ready.”

Oscar would rather be away in the first leg, despite Albion’s defeat in the second leg at the Amex against Crystal Palace under Gus Poyet last year.

The Spaniard said: “I know what happened last season but I would always want to have the final game at home.”

Albion are 7-2 outsiders with most bookmakers to win the play-offs. Derby are the 9-4 favourites, QPR and Wigan 5-2.

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5:30am Tue 6 May 14

Albion In Staffs says...

Well first of all, I'd hope he WOULD have them ready, it's erm, his job after allI.
Secondly, it's an irritatingly over-used phrase these days - and not just by The Argus - but how on earth do you 'regroup'?
Did the lads travel back from Nottingham in separate buses?
Sorry, I'll shut up now, but I'm getting bored with all the mindless hype. Bring on Thursday....
Well first of all, I'd hope he WOULD have them ready, it's erm, his job after allI. Secondly, it's an irritatingly over-used phrase these days - and not just by The Argus - but how on earth do you 'regroup'? Did the lads travel back from Nottingham in separate buses? Sorry, I'll shut up now, but I'm getting bored with all the mindless hype. Bring on Thursday.... Albion In Staffs
  • Score: -18

5:38am Tue 6 May 14

mark by the sea says...

Albion In Staffs wrote:
Well first of all, I'd hope he WOULD have them ready, it's erm, his job after allI.
Secondly, it's an irritatingly over-used phrase these days - and not just by The Argus - but how on earth do you 'regroup'?
Did the lads travel back from Nottingham in separate buses?
Sorry, I'll shut up now, but I'm getting bored with all the mindless hype. Bring on Thursday....
Have to agree , lots of pointless stories , I personally will be happy with a draw Thursday and go to derby with all pressure on them, we will certainly need to improve defensively .. I thought we were pretty open Saturday, very unlike the Albion this season.
I would bring back ince and drop jfc , ..
[quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: Well first of all, I'd hope he WOULD have them ready, it's erm, his job after allI. Secondly, it's an irritatingly over-used phrase these days - and not just by The Argus - but how on earth do you 'regroup'? Did the lads travel back from Nottingham in separate buses? Sorry, I'll shut up now, but I'm getting bored with all the mindless hype. Bring on Thursday....[/p][/quote]Have to agree , lots of pointless stories , I personally will be happy with a draw Thursday and go to derby with all pressure on them, we will certainly need to improve defensively .. I thought we were pretty open Saturday, very unlike the Albion this season. I would bring back ince and drop jfc , .. mark by the sea
  • Score: -4

7:05am Tue 6 May 14

Alfie T says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
Well first of all, I'd hope he WOULD have them ready, it's erm, his job after allI.
Secondly, it's an irritatingly over-used phrase these days - and not just by The Argus - but how on earth do you 'regroup'?
Did the lads travel back from Nottingham in separate buses?
Sorry, I'll shut up now, but I'm getting bored with all the mindless hype. Bring on Thursday....
Have to agree , lots of pointless stories , I personally will be happy with a draw Thursday and go to derby with all pressure on them, we will certainly need to improve defensively .. I thought we were pretty open Saturday, very unlike the Albion this season.
I would bring back ince and drop jfc , ..
A fit Ince would make up for the injured Stephens.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: Well first of all, I'd hope he WOULD have them ready, it's erm, his job after allI. Secondly, it's an irritatingly over-used phrase these days - and not just by The Argus - but how on earth do you 'regroup'? Did the lads travel back from Nottingham in separate buses? Sorry, I'll shut up now, but I'm getting bored with all the mindless hype. Bring on Thursday....[/p][/quote]Have to agree , lots of pointless stories , I personally will be happy with a draw Thursday and go to derby with all pressure on them, we will certainly need to improve defensively .. I thought we were pretty open Saturday, very unlike the Albion this season. I would bring back ince and drop jfc , ..[/p][/quote]A fit Ince would make up for the injured Stephens. Alfie T
  • Score: 23

7:07am Tue 6 May 14

brightonup says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
Well first of all, I'd hope he WOULD have them ready, it's erm, his job after allI.
Secondly, it's an irritatingly over-used phrase these days - and not just by The Argus - but how on earth do you 'regroup'?
Did the lads travel back from Nottingham in separate buses?
Sorry, I'll shut up now, but I'm getting bored with all the mindless hype. Bring on Thursday....
Have to agree , lots of pointless stories , I personally will be happy with a draw Thursday and go to derby with all pressure on them, we will certainly need to improve defensively .. I thought we were pretty open Saturday, very unlike the Albion this season.
I would bring back ince and drop jfc , ..
I agree with comments about lazy phraseology by journalists.
However, I am beginning to doubt if MBTS is really a fan. There is plenty of evidence he is more of a critic than supporter - with plenty of negatives to keep our spirits low......
Why?
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: Well first of all, I'd hope he WOULD have them ready, it's erm, his job after allI. Secondly, it's an irritatingly over-used phrase these days - and not just by The Argus - but how on earth do you 'regroup'? Did the lads travel back from Nottingham in separate buses? Sorry, I'll shut up now, but I'm getting bored with all the mindless hype. Bring on Thursday....[/p][/quote]Have to agree , lots of pointless stories , I personally will be happy with a draw Thursday and go to derby with all pressure on them, we will certainly need to improve defensively .. I thought we were pretty open Saturday, very unlike the Albion this season. I would bring back ince and drop jfc , ..[/p][/quote]I agree with comments about lazy phraseology by journalists. However, I am beginning to doubt if MBTS is really a fan. There is plenty of evidence he is more of a critic than supporter - with plenty of negatives to keep our spirits low...... Why? brightonup
  • Score: -3

7:09am Tue 6 May 14

brightonup says...

Alfie T wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
Well first of all, I'd hope he WOULD have them ready, it's erm, his job after allI.
Secondly, it's an irritatingly over-used phrase these days - and not just by The Argus - but how on earth do you 'regroup'?
Did the lads travel back from Nottingham in separate buses?
Sorry, I'll shut up now, but I'm getting bored with all the mindless hype. Bring on Thursday....
Have to agree , lots of pointless stories , I personally will be happy with a draw Thursday and go to derby with all pressure on them, we will certainly need to improve defensively .. I thought we were pretty open Saturday, very unlike the Albion this season.
I would bring back ince and drop jfc , ..
A fit Ince would make up for the injured Stephens.
true
[quote][p][bold]Alfie T[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: Well first of all, I'd hope he WOULD have them ready, it's erm, his job after allI. Secondly, it's an irritatingly over-used phrase these days - and not just by The Argus - but how on earth do you 'regroup'? Did the lads travel back from Nottingham in separate buses? Sorry, I'll shut up now, but I'm getting bored with all the mindless hype. Bring on Thursday....[/p][/quote]Have to agree , lots of pointless stories , I personally will be happy with a draw Thursday and go to derby with all pressure on them, we will certainly need to improve defensively .. I thought we were pretty open Saturday, very unlike the Albion this season. I would bring back ince and drop jfc , ..[/p][/quote]A fit Ince would make up for the injured Stephens.[/p][/quote]true brightonup
  • Score: 6

8:21am Tue 6 May 14

mark by the sea says...

brightonup wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
Well first of all, I'd hope he WOULD have them ready, it's erm, his job after allI.
Secondly, it's an irritatingly over-used phrase these days - and not just by The Argus - but how on earth do you 'regroup'?
Did the lads travel back from Nottingham in separate buses?
Sorry, I'll shut up now, but I'm getting bored with all the mindless hype. Bring on Thursday....
Have to agree , lots of pointless stories , I personally will be happy with a draw Thursday and go to derby with all pressure on them, we will certainly need to improve defensively .. I thought we were pretty open Saturday, very unlike the Albion this season.
I would bring back ince and drop jfc , ..
I agree with comments about lazy phraseology by journalists.
However, I am beginning to doubt if MBTS is really a fan. There is plenty of evidence he is more of a critic than supporter - with plenty of negatives to keep our spirits low......
Why?
I comment as a neutral , rather than thinking we are perfect ,
In that those with tinted glasses, or those who nothing about football may think I am a half empty glass man.
In what way am I negative? OG has changed the balance of the 11 from negative to more attack minded, however since Stephens is out we miss someone capable of sitting alongside Andrews and defending when needed.
Derby play the ball into feet around the box, .. That's why I prefer ince to jfc .
As for a draw, the pressure to play at home especially in a young inexperienced side like derby will hopefully be a bonus.
We need to play to our strength , and that's keeping it tight for a hour, then release lua lua and cms.
[quote][p][bold]brightonup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: Well first of all, I'd hope he WOULD have them ready, it's erm, his job after allI. Secondly, it's an irritatingly over-used phrase these days - and not just by The Argus - but how on earth do you 'regroup'? Did the lads travel back from Nottingham in separate buses? Sorry, I'll shut up now, but I'm getting bored with all the mindless hype. Bring on Thursday....[/p][/quote]Have to agree , lots of pointless stories , I personally will be happy with a draw Thursday and go to derby with all pressure on them, we will certainly need to improve defensively .. I thought we were pretty open Saturday, very unlike the Albion this season. I would bring back ince and drop jfc , ..[/p][/quote]I agree with comments about lazy phraseology by journalists. However, I am beginning to doubt if MBTS is really a fan. There is plenty of evidence he is more of a critic than supporter - with plenty of negatives to keep our spirits low...... Why?[/p][/quote]I comment as a neutral , rather than thinking we are perfect , In that those with tinted glasses, or those who nothing about football may think I am a half empty glass man. In what way am I negative? OG has changed the balance of the 11 from negative to more attack minded, however since Stephens is out we miss someone capable of sitting alongside Andrews and defending when needed. Derby play the ball into feet around the box, .. That's why I prefer ince to jfc . As for a draw, the pressure to play at home especially in a young inexperienced side like derby will hopefully be a bonus. We need to play to our strength , and that's keeping it tight for a hour, then release lua lua and cms. mark by the sea
  • Score: 8

8:22am Tue 6 May 14

AlanDuffy says...

Let's hope it's the Rams take a battering come Thursday......
Let's hope it's the Rams take a battering come Thursday...... AlanDuffy
  • Score: 15

8:36am Tue 6 May 14

dave from bexill says...

brightonup wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
Well first of all, I'd hope he WOULD have them ready, it's erm, his job after allI.
Secondly, it's an irritatingly over-used phrase these days - and not just by The Argus - but how on earth do you 'regroup'?
Did the lads travel back from Nottingham in separate buses?
Sorry, I'll shut up now, but I'm getting bored with all the mindless hype. Bring on Thursday....
Have to agree , lots of pointless stories , I personally will be happy with a draw Thursday and go to derby with all pressure on them, we will certainly need to improve defensively .. I thought we were pretty open Saturday, very unlike the Albion this season.
I would bring back ince and drop jfc , ..
I agree with comments about lazy phraseology by journalists.
However, I am beginning to doubt if MBTS is really a fan. There is plenty of evidence he is more of a critic than supporter - with plenty of negatives to keep our spirits low......
Why?
On the contrary brightonup. Just because you disagree with MBTS, doesn't make his comments negative. I don't always agree with him either, but unlike some of the 'foam handers" on here, he does, in my opinion, offer well thought out and balanced views about the Albion, same as you do sometimes. The word 'negative' is used a great deal on this site, most often it seems to me by those unable to cogitate or present a cogent argument.
I for one would rather read his points of view than those of the Trolls, and even worse, those who respond to them. UTA
[quote][p][bold]brightonup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: Well first of all, I'd hope he WOULD have them ready, it's erm, his job after allI. Secondly, it's an irritatingly over-used phrase these days - and not just by The Argus - but how on earth do you 'regroup'? Did the lads travel back from Nottingham in separate buses? Sorry, I'll shut up now, but I'm getting bored with all the mindless hype. Bring on Thursday....[/p][/quote]Have to agree , lots of pointless stories , I personally will be happy with a draw Thursday and go to derby with all pressure on them, we will certainly need to improve defensively .. I thought we were pretty open Saturday, very unlike the Albion this season. I would bring back ince and drop jfc , ..[/p][/quote]I agree with comments about lazy phraseology by journalists. However, I am beginning to doubt if MBTS is really a fan. There is plenty of evidence he is more of a critic than supporter - with plenty of negatives to keep our spirits low...... Why?[/p][/quote]On the contrary brightonup. Just because you disagree with MBTS, doesn't make his comments negative. I don't always agree with him either, but unlike some of the 'foam handers" on here, he does, in my opinion, offer well thought out and balanced views about the Albion, same as you do sometimes. The word 'negative' is used a great deal on this site, most often it seems to me by those unable to cogitate or present a cogent argument. I for one would rather read his points of view than those of the Trolls, and even worse, those who respond to them. UTA dave from bexill
  • Score: 12

8:48am Tue 6 May 14

brightonup says...

mark by the sea wrote:
brightonup wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
Well first of all, I'd hope he WOULD have them ready, it's erm, his job after allI.
Secondly, it's an irritatingly over-used phrase these days - and not just by The Argus - but how on earth do you 'regroup'?
Did the lads travel back from Nottingham in separate buses?
Sorry, I'll shut up now, but I'm getting bored with all the mindless hype. Bring on Thursday....
Have to agree , lots of pointless stories , I personally will be happy with a draw Thursday and go to derby with all pressure on them, we will certainly need to improve defensively .. I thought we were pretty open Saturday, very unlike the Albion this season.
I would bring back ince and drop jfc , ..
I agree with comments about lazy phraseology by journalists.
However, I am beginning to doubt if MBTS is really a fan. There is plenty of evidence he is more of a critic than supporter - with plenty of negatives to keep our spirits low......
Why?
I comment as a neutral , rather than thinking we are perfect ,
In that those with tinted glasses, or those who nothing about football may think I am a half empty glass man.
In what way am I negative? OG has changed the balance of the 11 from negative to more attack minded, however since Stephens is out we miss someone capable of sitting alongside Andrews and defending when needed.
Derby play the ball into feet around the box, .. That's why I prefer ince to jfc .
As for a draw, the pressure to play at home especially in a young inexperienced side like derby will hopefully be a bonus.
We need to play to our strength , and that's keeping it tight for a hour, then release lua lua and cms.
Then perhaps it is your dour style.
Who thinks Albion are perfect? Most of us are just a little more upbeat than you because we are supporters, not neutrals. Isn't there a site somewhere else for neutrals?

Sorry MBTS, you do not seem to know youself very well; you are indeed a glass half empty person.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]brightonup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: Well first of all, I'd hope he WOULD have them ready, it's erm, his job after allI. Secondly, it's an irritatingly over-used phrase these days - and not just by The Argus - but how on earth do you 'regroup'? Did the lads travel back from Nottingham in separate buses? Sorry, I'll shut up now, but I'm getting bored with all the mindless hype. Bring on Thursday....[/p][/quote]Have to agree , lots of pointless stories , I personally will be happy with a draw Thursday and go to derby with all pressure on them, we will certainly need to improve defensively .. I thought we were pretty open Saturday, very unlike the Albion this season. I would bring back ince and drop jfc , ..[/p][/quote]I agree with comments about lazy phraseology by journalists. However, I am beginning to doubt if MBTS is really a fan. There is plenty of evidence he is more of a critic than supporter - with plenty of negatives to keep our spirits low...... Why?[/p][/quote]I comment as a neutral , rather than thinking we are perfect , In that those with tinted glasses, or those who nothing about football may think I am a half empty glass man. In what way am I negative? OG has changed the balance of the 11 from negative to more attack minded, however since Stephens is out we miss someone capable of sitting alongside Andrews and defending when needed. Derby play the ball into feet around the box, .. That's why I prefer ince to jfc . As for a draw, the pressure to play at home especially in a young inexperienced side like derby will hopefully be a bonus. We need to play to our strength , and that's keeping it tight for a hour, then release lua lua and cms.[/p][/quote]Then perhaps it is your dour style. Who thinks Albion are perfect? Most of us are just a little more upbeat than you because we are supporters, not neutrals. Isn't there a site somewhere else for neutrals? Sorry MBTS, you do not seem to know youself very well; you are indeed a glass half empty person. brightonup
  • Score: 4

8:56am Tue 6 May 14

brightonup says...

dave from bexill wrote:
brightonup wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
Well first of all, I'd hope he WOULD have them ready, it's erm, his job after allI.
Secondly, it's an irritatingly over-used phrase these days - and not just by The Argus - but how on earth do you 'regroup'?
Did the lads travel back from Nottingham in separate buses?
Sorry, I'll shut up now, but I'm getting bored with all the mindless hype. Bring on Thursday....
Have to agree , lots of pointless stories , I personally will be happy with a draw Thursday and go to derby with all pressure on them, we will certainly need to improve defensively .. I thought we were pretty open Saturday, very unlike the Albion this season.
I would bring back ince and drop jfc , ..
I agree with comments about lazy phraseology by journalists.
However, I am beginning to doubt if MBTS is really a fan. There is plenty of evidence he is more of a critic than supporter - with plenty of negatives to keep our spirits low......
Why?
On the contrary brightonup. Just because you disagree with MBTS, doesn't make his comments negative. I don't always agree with him either, but unlike some of the 'foam handers" on here, he does, in my opinion, offer well thought out and balanced views about the Albion, same as you do sometimes. The word 'negative' is used a great deal on this site, most often it seems to me by those unable to cogitate or present a cogent argument.
I for one would rather read his points of view than those of the Trolls, and even worse, those who respond to them. UTA
I absolutely agree with that last sentiment - but my comments are not just mischievous.
This latest was perhaps a poor example and my response was guided more by his predictable downbeat contributions elsewhere.

I retract (with apologies) the comment about 'negative substance' but stand by my comment on his dispiriting style. I will now withdraw for a while to get over my grumpiness.
[quote][p][bold]dave from bexill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]brightonup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: Well first of all, I'd hope he WOULD have them ready, it's erm, his job after allI. Secondly, it's an irritatingly over-used phrase these days - and not just by The Argus - but how on earth do you 'regroup'? Did the lads travel back from Nottingham in separate buses? Sorry, I'll shut up now, but I'm getting bored with all the mindless hype. Bring on Thursday....[/p][/quote]Have to agree , lots of pointless stories , I personally will be happy with a draw Thursday and go to derby with all pressure on them, we will certainly need to improve defensively .. I thought we were pretty open Saturday, very unlike the Albion this season. I would bring back ince and drop jfc , ..[/p][/quote]I agree with comments about lazy phraseology by journalists. However, I am beginning to doubt if MBTS is really a fan. There is plenty of evidence he is more of a critic than supporter - with plenty of negatives to keep our spirits low...... Why?[/p][/quote]On the contrary brightonup. Just because you disagree with MBTS, doesn't make his comments negative. I don't always agree with him either, but unlike some of the 'foam handers" on here, he does, in my opinion, offer well thought out and balanced views about the Albion, same as you do sometimes. The word 'negative' is used a great deal on this site, most often it seems to me by those unable to cogitate or present a cogent argument. I for one would rather read his points of view than those of the Trolls, and even worse, those who respond to them. UTA[/p][/quote]I absolutely agree with that last sentiment - but my comments are not just mischievous. This latest was perhaps a poor example and my response was guided more by his predictable downbeat contributions elsewhere. I retract (with apologies) the comment about 'negative substance' but stand by my comment on his dispiriting style. I will now withdraw for a while to get over my grumpiness. brightonup
  • Score: 15

9:26am Tue 6 May 14

mark by the sea says...

brightonup wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
brightonup wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
Well first of all, I'd hope he WOULD have them ready, it's erm, his job after allI.
Secondly, it's an irritatingly over-used phrase these days - and not just by The Argus - but how on earth do you 'regroup'?
Did the lads travel back from Nottingham in separate buses?
Sorry, I'll shut up now, but I'm getting bored with all the mindless hype. Bring on Thursday....
Have to agree , lots of pointless stories , I personally will be happy with a draw Thursday and go to derby with all pressure on them, we will certainly need to improve defensively .. I thought we were pretty open Saturday, very unlike the Albion this season.
I would bring back ince and drop jfc , ..
I agree with comments about lazy phraseology by journalists.
However, I am beginning to doubt if MBTS is really a fan. There is plenty of evidence he is more of a critic than supporter - with plenty of negatives to keep our spirits low......
Why?
I comment as a neutral , rather than thinking we are perfect ,
In that those with tinted glasses, or those who nothing about football may think I am a half empty glass man.
In what way am I negative? OG has changed the balance of the 11 from negative to more attack minded, however since Stephens is out we miss someone capable of sitting alongside Andrews and defending when needed.
Derby play the ball into feet around the box, .. That's why I prefer ince to jfc .
As for a draw, the pressure to play at home especially in a young inexperienced side like derby will hopefully be a bonus.
We need to play to our strength , and that's keeping it tight for a hour, then release lua lua and cms.
Then perhaps it is your dour style.
Who thinks Albion are perfect? Most of us are just a little more upbeat than you because we are supporters, not neutrals. Isn't there a site somewhere else for neutrals?

Sorry MBTS, you do not seem to know youself very well; you are indeed a glass half empty person.
I am a Albion fan for 40 years, season ticket at the withdean when we endured adams hoof football, yes it was successful and a pleasure to gain promotion, but when I watch Liverpool , man city and arsenal zip the ball about , I am a football fan..
Where is my negative in my comment first up? Derby have got enough points to secure second place in most seasons, and they have scored a hatful as well, they have a style which we need to contain, as that is our style, contain then attack .. Good performances don't always mean good results, Saturday we were poor , defensively our midfield were non existent at times, had we gone one up, I think ince would have come on.. Great result poor performance if I am honest, honesty is not half empty glass.
[quote][p][bold]brightonup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]brightonup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: Well first of all, I'd hope he WOULD have them ready, it's erm, his job after allI. Secondly, it's an irritatingly over-used phrase these days - and not just by The Argus - but how on earth do you 'regroup'? Did the lads travel back from Nottingham in separate buses? Sorry, I'll shut up now, but I'm getting bored with all the mindless hype. Bring on Thursday....[/p][/quote]Have to agree , lots of pointless stories , I personally will be happy with a draw Thursday and go to derby with all pressure on them, we will certainly need to improve defensively .. I thought we were pretty open Saturday, very unlike the Albion this season. I would bring back ince and drop jfc , ..[/p][/quote]I agree with comments about lazy phraseology by journalists. However, I am beginning to doubt if MBTS is really a fan. There is plenty of evidence he is more of a critic than supporter - with plenty of negatives to keep our spirits low...... Why?[/p][/quote]I comment as a neutral , rather than thinking we are perfect , In that those with tinted glasses, or those who nothing about football may think I am a half empty glass man. In what way am I negative? OG has changed the balance of the 11 from negative to more attack minded, however since Stephens is out we miss someone capable of sitting alongside Andrews and defending when needed. Derby play the ball into feet around the box, .. That's why I prefer ince to jfc . As for a draw, the pressure to play at home especially in a young inexperienced side like derby will hopefully be a bonus. We need to play to our strength , and that's keeping it tight for a hour, then release lua lua and cms.[/p][/quote]Then perhaps it is your dour style. Who thinks Albion are perfect? Most of us are just a little more upbeat than you because we are supporters, not neutrals. Isn't there a site somewhere else for neutrals? Sorry MBTS, you do not seem to know youself very well; you are indeed a glass half empty person.[/p][/quote]I am a Albion fan for 40 years, season ticket at the withdean when we endured adams hoof football, yes it was successful and a pleasure to gain promotion, but when I watch Liverpool , man city and arsenal zip the ball about , I am a football fan.. Where is my negative in my comment first up? Derby have got enough points to secure second place in most seasons, and they have scored a hatful as well, they have a style which we need to contain, as that is our style, contain then attack .. Good performances don't always mean good results, Saturday we were poor , defensively our midfield were non existent at times, had we gone one up, I think ince would have come on.. Great result poor performance if I am honest, honesty is not half empty glass. mark by the sea
  • Score: 5

9:27am Tue 6 May 14

Claude Back says...

brightonup wrote:
dave from bexill wrote:
brightonup wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
Well first of all, I'd hope he WOULD have them ready, it's erm, his job after allI.
Secondly, it's an irritatingly over-used phrase these days - and not just by The Argus - but how on earth do you 'regroup'?
Did the lads travel back from Nottingham in separate buses?
Sorry, I'll shut up now, but I'm getting bored with all the mindless hype. Bring on Thursday....
Have to agree , lots of pointless stories , I personally will be happy with a draw Thursday and go to derby with all pressure on them, we will certainly need to improve defensively .. I thought we were pretty open Saturday, very unlike the Albion this season.
I would bring back ince and drop jfc , ..
I agree with comments about lazy phraseology by journalists.
However, I am beginning to doubt if MBTS is really a fan. There is plenty of evidence he is more of a critic than supporter - with plenty of negatives to keep our spirits low......
Why?
On the contrary brightonup. Just because you disagree with MBTS, doesn't make his comments negative. I don't always agree with him either, but unlike some of the 'foam handers" on here, he does, in my opinion, offer well thought out and balanced views about the Albion, same as you do sometimes. The word 'negative' is used a great deal on this site, most often it seems to me by those unable to cogitate or present a cogent argument.
I for one would rather read his points of view than those of the Trolls, and even worse, those who respond to them. UTA
I absolutely agree with that last sentiment - but my comments are not just mischievous.
This latest was perhaps a poor example and my response was guided more by his predictable downbeat contributions elsewhere.

I retract (with apologies) the comment about 'negative substance' but stand by my comment on his dispiriting style. I will now withdraw for a while to get over my grumpiness.
MBTS is one of the few on here who actually makes cogent and intelligent comments about actual football matters (albeit often mis-spelt). This is not negative and is better than the mundane, jingoistic, stating the obvious stuff from windbags and people lacking any real analytical ability at all .
[quote][p][bold]brightonup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dave from bexill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]brightonup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: Well first of all, I'd hope he WOULD have them ready, it's erm, his job after allI. Secondly, it's an irritatingly over-used phrase these days - and not just by The Argus - but how on earth do you 'regroup'? Did the lads travel back from Nottingham in separate buses? Sorry, I'll shut up now, but I'm getting bored with all the mindless hype. Bring on Thursday....[/p][/quote]Have to agree , lots of pointless stories , I personally will be happy with a draw Thursday and go to derby with all pressure on them, we will certainly need to improve defensively .. I thought we were pretty open Saturday, very unlike the Albion this season. I would bring back ince and drop jfc , ..[/p][/quote]I agree with comments about lazy phraseology by journalists. However, I am beginning to doubt if MBTS is really a fan. There is plenty of evidence he is more of a critic than supporter - with plenty of negatives to keep our spirits low...... Why?[/p][/quote]On the contrary brightonup. Just because you disagree with MBTS, doesn't make his comments negative. I don't always agree with him either, but unlike some of the 'foam handers" on here, he does, in my opinion, offer well thought out and balanced views about the Albion, same as you do sometimes. The word 'negative' is used a great deal on this site, most often it seems to me by those unable to cogitate or present a cogent argument. I for one would rather read his points of view than those of the Trolls, and even worse, those who respond to them. UTA[/p][/quote]I absolutely agree with that last sentiment - but my comments are not just mischievous. This latest was perhaps a poor example and my response was guided more by his predictable downbeat contributions elsewhere. I retract (with apologies) the comment about 'negative substance' but stand by my comment on his dispiriting style. I will now withdraw for a while to get over my grumpiness.[/p][/quote]MBTS is one of the few on here who actually makes cogent and intelligent comments about actual football matters (albeit often mis-spelt). This is not negative and is better than the mundane, jingoistic, stating the obvious stuff from windbags and people lacking any real analytical ability at all . Claude Back
  • Score: 7

9:45am Tue 6 May 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

I love how people who disagree with certain posters are derided as knowing nothing about football, rather than as people who just perhaps see it slightly differently!

I've missed this over the last few days :-)

#dunk
I love how people who disagree with certain posters are derided as knowing nothing about football, rather than as people who just perhaps see it slightly differently! I've missed this over the last few days :-) #dunk Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 5

9:56am Tue 6 May 14

linzowen says...

Dave from Bexhill, you are absolutely right about the people who respond to the trolls. If you keep putting food out for vermine they will keep returning. Don't leave food out and they will look elsewhere, it's that simple and it can only make this site more enjoyable. I look on here every day but comment once in a blue moon, all the trolls are one thing but PLEASE ignore it all. If saddo-rodentio wishes to comment on this then do so. I shall not bite.

Here's to Thurs and Sun, tickets for both in the bag.
Dave from Bexhill, you are absolutely right about the people who respond to the trolls. If you keep putting food out for vermine they will keep returning. Don't leave food out and they will look elsewhere, it's that simple and it can only make this site more enjoyable. I look on here every day but comment once in a blue moon, all the trolls are one thing but PLEASE ignore it all. If saddo-rodentio wishes to comment on this then do so. I shall not bite. Here's to Thurs and Sun, tickets for both in the bag. linzowen
  • Score: 7

9:57am Tue 6 May 14

smegbuster says...

Albion In Staffs wrote:
Well first of all, I'd hope he WOULD have them ready, it's erm, his job after allI. Secondly, it's an irritatingly over-used phrase these days - and not just by The Argus - but how on earth do you 'regroup'? Did the lads travel back from Nottingham in separate buses? Sorry, I'll shut up now, but I'm getting bored with all the mindless hype. Bring on Thursday....
http://dictionary.re
ference.com/browse/r
egroup?s=t

Specifically:
verb (used without object)
2. to become reorganized in order to make a fresh start: "If the plan doesn't work, we'll have to regroup and try something else."
3. Military . to become organized in a new tactical formation.

ie, Oscar is reaffirming that we are not a one-tactic team.
[quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: Well first of all, I'd hope he WOULD have them ready, it's erm, his job after allI. Secondly, it's an irritatingly over-used phrase these days - and not just by The Argus - but how on earth do you 'regroup'? Did the lads travel back from Nottingham in separate buses? Sorry, I'll shut up now, but I'm getting bored with all the mindless hype. Bring on Thursday....[/p][/quote]http://dictionary.re ference.com/browse/r egroup?s=t Specifically: verb (used without object) 2. to become reorganized in order to make a fresh start: "If the plan doesn't work, we'll have to regroup and try something else." 3. Military . to become organized in a new tactical formation. ie, Oscar is reaffirming that we are not a one-tactic team. smegbuster
  • Score: 2

10:18am Tue 6 May 14

farside says...

I guess all the time we are focusing on semantics we are avoiding over-analysing the actual football.
Will the players have a similar freedom on Thursday after an uncewdibly tension-filled performance on saturday?
I guess all the time we are focusing on semantics we are avoiding over-analysing the actual football. Will the players have a similar freedom on Thursday after an uncewdibly tension-filled performance on saturday? farside
  • Score: 0

10:21am Tue 6 May 14

farside says...

Leicester bidding £6.5m for Ulloa according to this morning's sports media. That will help the build-up to the next two games.
Leicester bidding £6.5m for Ulloa according to this morning's sports media. That will help the build-up to the next two games. farside
  • Score: 1

10:24am Tue 6 May 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

farside wrote:
I guess all the time we are focusing on semantics we are avoiding over-analysing the actual football.
Will the players have a similar freedom on Thursday after an uncewdibly tension-filled performance on saturday?
If you want tension, try keeping up with the football from Andy Naylor's Twitter account on a barely-there mobile phone signal :-) My poor finger nails...
[quote][p][bold]farside[/bold] wrote: I guess all the time we are focusing on semantics we are avoiding over-analysing the actual football. Will the players have a similar freedom on Thursday after an uncewdibly tension-filled performance on saturday?[/p][/quote]If you want tension, try keeping up with the football from Andy Naylor's Twitter account on a barely-there mobile phone signal :-) My poor finger nails... Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 1

10:24am Tue 6 May 14

mark by the sea says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
I love how people who disagree with certain posters are derided as knowing nothing about football, rather than as people who just perhaps see it slightly differently!

I've missed this over the last few days :-)

#dunk
Surprised Arnie , you come back and make comments again about other posters either being negative or otherwise......
If you look at the Derby squad it has 4-5 players who have no big match experience in games like a play off, Will Hoskins 19 , Banford 20, to name two.. Will the game be to much for them ? The fans who turn up Thursday need to wake up and support the team, our away support is nothing short of fantastic who blew away forest in terms of noise and vocals .. Even when one down.. The three thousand who made it to forest made more noise than half the home games put together this season at the Amex.
For me it seems the gods are with OG , performances have been rarely great, but that will be forgotten if we get to wembley.
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: I love how people who disagree with certain posters are derided as knowing nothing about football, rather than as people who just perhaps see it slightly differently! I've missed this over the last few days :-) #dunk[/p][/quote]Surprised Arnie , you come back and make comments again about other posters either being negative or otherwise...... If you look at the Derby squad it has 4-5 players who have no big match experience in games like a play off, Will Hoskins 19 , Banford 20, to name two.. Will the game be to much for them ? The fans who turn up Thursday need to wake up and support the team, our away support is nothing short of fantastic who blew away forest in terms of noise and vocals .. Even when one down.. The three thousand who made it to forest made more noise than half the home games put together this season at the Amex. For me it seems the gods are with OG , performances have been rarely great, but that will be forgotten if we get to wembley. mark by the sea
  • Score: 7

10:29am Tue 6 May 14

mark by the sea says...

farside wrote:
Leicester bidding £6.5m for Ulloa according to this morning's sports media. That will help the build-up to the next two games.
They made a inquiry about two months ago, Arnie will confirm that as he doubted me .. Ulloa has a release clause around the 7 million mark.
[quote][p][bold]farside[/bold] wrote: Leicester bidding £6.5m for Ulloa according to this morning's sports media. That will help the build-up to the next two games.[/p][/quote]They made a inquiry about two months ago, Arnie will confirm that as he doubted me .. Ulloa has a release clause around the 7 million mark. mark by the sea
  • Score: 5

10:31am Tue 6 May 14

russellsnr2 says...

Really surprised that no one has picked up the new player we have for the play off's.
He should slot in well for these two games, seen him before and plays any position.
His name???
Rank OUTSIDER!!!

'Albion are 7-2 outsiders with most bookmakers to win the play-off's!.
Really surprised that no one has picked up the new player we have for the play off's. He should slot in well for these two games, seen him before and plays any position. His name??? Rank OUTSIDER!!! 'Albion are 7-2 outsiders with most bookmakers to win the play-off's!. russellsnr2
  • Score: 0

11:29am Tue 6 May 14

pte says...

Think OG is playing mind games. It suits us to have 2nd leg away. The match is too important to go gung ho, a draw in the first leg won't be a bad result. Hope CMS plays a bigger role
Think OG is playing mind games. It suits us to have 2nd leg away. The match is too important to go gung ho, a draw in the first leg won't be a bad result. Hope CMS plays a bigger role pte
  • Score: 5

11:29am Tue 6 May 14

VegasSeagull says...

Two tough matches coming up, and not tough for just Brighton, I think Derby recognize the fact that we will be no push overs at home or away.
In a season where we have blown hot and cold I think it's fair to say that we the fans really don't know what to expect thursday evening, but one thing we do know is, Derby are not in thrid place without good reason. To get to the final we are going to need to play at a level that has rarely been seen this season, two performances of the type that saw us beat Leicester, anything less and Derby will punish us, they have the players to do it.
We are a team that appears to play better against good opposition, so with that in mind, perhaps we will turn on the style, up the tempo right from the get go and press them high up the park, but the key word is, 'perhaps.'
In keeping with my, 'glass half full,' attitude, I think we will get the job done, the fans at the Amex will see a display from us and that we will go to Derby with a win under our belts.
Two tough matches coming up, and not tough for just Brighton, I think Derby recognize the fact that we will be no push overs at home or away. In a season where we have blown hot and cold I think it's fair to say that we the fans really don't know what to expect thursday evening, but one thing we do know is, Derby are not in thrid place without good reason. To get to the final we are going to need to play at a level that has rarely been seen this season, two performances of the type that saw us beat Leicester, anything less and Derby will punish us, they have the players to do it. We are a team that appears to play better against good opposition, so with that in mind, perhaps we will turn on the style, up the tempo right from the get go and press them high up the park, but the key word is, 'perhaps.' In keeping with my, 'glass half full,' attitude, I think we will get the job done, the fans at the Amex will see a display from us and that we will go to Derby with a win under our belts. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 5

11:35am Tue 6 May 14

mark by the sea says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Two tough matches coming up, and not tough for just Brighton, I think Derby recognize the fact that we will be no push overs at home or away.
In a season where we have blown hot and cold I think it's fair to say that we the fans really don't know what to expect thursday evening, but one thing we do know is, Derby are not in thrid place without good reason. To get to the final we are going to need to play at a level that has rarely been seen this season, two performances of the type that saw us beat Leicester, anything less and Derby will punish us, they have the players to do it.
We are a team that appears to play better against good opposition, so with that in mind, perhaps we will turn on the style, up the tempo right from the get go and press them high up the park, but the key word is, 'perhaps.'
In keeping with my, 'glass half full,' attitude, I think we will get the job done, the fans at the Amex will see a display from us and that we will go to Derby with a win under our belts.
Agree entirely , we turn up for the hard games, I think our ageing squad will have the experience over derby who's players have yet to play a two leg affair, derby should be second place with what they have achieved ... But they have had little to play for over last few games, add nerves to that and hopefully a partisan crowd Thursday .. And it could be done and dusted! Lol
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Two tough matches coming up, and not tough for just Brighton, I think Derby recognize the fact that we will be no push overs at home or away. In a season where we have blown hot and cold I think it's fair to say that we the fans really don't know what to expect thursday evening, but one thing we do know is, Derby are not in thrid place without good reason. To get to the final we are going to need to play at a level that has rarely been seen this season, two performances of the type that saw us beat Leicester, anything less and Derby will punish us, they have the players to do it. We are a team that appears to play better against good opposition, so with that in mind, perhaps we will turn on the style, up the tempo right from the get go and press them high up the park, but the key word is, 'perhaps.' In keeping with my, 'glass half full,' attitude, I think we will get the job done, the fans at the Amex will see a display from us and that we will go to Derby with a win under our belts.[/p][/quote]Agree entirely , we turn up for the hard games, I think our ageing squad will have the experience over derby who's players have yet to play a two leg affair, derby should be second place with what they have achieved ... But they have had little to play for over last few games, add nerves to that and hopefully a partisan crowd Thursday .. And it could be done and dusted! Lol mark by the sea
  • Score: 5

11:58am Tue 6 May 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
I love how people who disagree with certain posters are derided as knowing nothing about football, rather than as people who just perhaps see it slightly differently!

I've missed this over the last few days :-)

#dunk
Surprised Arnie , you come back and make comments again about other posters either being negative or otherwise......
If you look at the Derby squad it has 4-5 players who have no big match experience in games like a play off, Will Hoskins 19 , Banford 20, to name two.. Will the game be to much for them ? The fans who turn up Thursday need to wake up and support the team, our away support is nothing short of fantastic who blew away forest in terms of noise and vocals .. Even when one down.. The three thousand who made it to forest made more noise than half the home games put together this season at the Amex.
For me it seems the gods are with OG , performances have been rarely great, but that will be forgotten if we get to wembley.
Nope, I made no reference to posters being either positive or negative. I mentioned about deriding as stupid those who see the game differently.

I also mentioned no names, just waiting for people to self-identify.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: I love how people who disagree with certain posters are derided as knowing nothing about football, rather than as people who just perhaps see it slightly differently! I've missed this over the last few days :-) #dunk[/p][/quote]Surprised Arnie , you come back and make comments again about other posters either being negative or otherwise...... If you look at the Derby squad it has 4-5 players who have no big match experience in games like a play off, Will Hoskins 19 , Banford 20, to name two.. Will the game be to much for them ? The fans who turn up Thursday need to wake up and support the team, our away support is nothing short of fantastic who blew away forest in terms of noise and vocals .. Even when one down.. The three thousand who made it to forest made more noise than half the home games put together this season at the Amex. For me it seems the gods are with OG , performances have been rarely great, but that will be forgotten if we get to wembley.[/p][/quote]Nope, I made no reference to posters being either positive or negative. I mentioned about deriding as stupid those who see the game differently. I also mentioned no names, just waiting for people to self-identify. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 0

12:00pm Tue 6 May 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

After Saturday's catastrophic loss of WiFi I'm looking forward to actually managing to stream Thursday's match. Very frustrating having to rely on Twitter for match updates in patchy 3G.
After Saturday's catastrophic loss of WiFi I'm looking forward to actually managing to stream Thursday's match. Very frustrating having to rely on Twitter for match updates in patchy 3G. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 2

12:02pm Tue 6 May 14

mark by the sea says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
I love how people who disagree with certain posters are derided as knowing nothing about football, rather than as people who just perhaps see it slightly differently!

I've missed this over the last few days :-)

#dunk
Surprised Arnie , you come back and make comments again about other posters either being negative or otherwise......
If you look at the Derby squad it has 4-5 players who have no big match experience in games like a play off, Will Hoskins 19 , Banford 20, to name two.. Will the game be to much for them ? The fans who turn up Thursday need to wake up and support the team, our away support is nothing short of fantastic who blew away forest in terms of noise and vocals .. Even when one down.. The three thousand who made it to forest made more noise than half the home games put together this season at the Amex.
For me it seems the gods are with OG , performances have been rarely great, but that will be forgotten if we get to wembley.
Nope, I made no reference to posters being either positive or negative. I mentioned about deriding as stupid those who see the game differently.

I also mentioned no names, just waiting for people to self-identify.
Why ? We are at the most exciting point of the season, talk football rather than commenting on others, unless it's aimed at you personally,
Did you see the headline Leicester after ulloa ? You derided me when I said that was coming two months ago? Any comment now?
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: I love how people who disagree with certain posters are derided as knowing nothing about football, rather than as people who just perhaps see it slightly differently! I've missed this over the last few days :-) #dunk[/p][/quote]Surprised Arnie , you come back and make comments again about other posters either being negative or otherwise...... If you look at the Derby squad it has 4-5 players who have no big match experience in games like a play off, Will Hoskins 19 , Banford 20, to name two.. Will the game be to much for them ? The fans who turn up Thursday need to wake up and support the team, our away support is nothing short of fantastic who blew away forest in terms of noise and vocals .. Even when one down.. The three thousand who made it to forest made more noise than half the home games put together this season at the Amex. For me it seems the gods are with OG , performances have been rarely great, but that will be forgotten if we get to wembley.[/p][/quote]Nope, I made no reference to posters being either positive or negative. I mentioned about deriding as stupid those who see the game differently. I also mentioned no names, just waiting for people to self-identify.[/p][/quote]Why ? We are at the most exciting point of the season, talk football rather than commenting on others, unless it's aimed at you personally, Did you see the headline Leicester after ulloa ? You derided me when I said that was coming two months ago? Any comment now? mark by the sea
  • Score: 2

12:16pm Tue 6 May 14

VegasSeagull says...

mark by the sea wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Two tough matches coming up, and not tough for just Brighton, I think Derby recognize the fact that we will be no push overs at home or away.
In a season where we have blown hot and cold I think it's fair to say that we the fans really don't know what to expect thursday evening, but one thing we do know is, Derby are not in thrid place without good reason. To get to the final we are going to need to play at a level that has rarely been seen this season, two performances of the type that saw us beat Leicester, anything less and Derby will punish us, they have the players to do it.
We are a team that appears to play better against good opposition, so with that in mind, perhaps we will turn on the style, up the tempo right from the get go and press them high up the park, but the key word is, 'perhaps.'
In keeping with my, 'glass half full,' attitude, I think we will get the job done, the fans at the Amex will see a display from us and that we will go to Derby with a win under our belts.
Agree entirely , we turn up for the hard games, I think our ageing squad will have the experience over derby who's players have yet to play a two leg affair, derby should be second place with what they have achieved ... But they have had little to play for over last few games, add nerves to that and hopefully a partisan crowd Thursday .. And it could be done and dusted! Lol
Nerves, the key ingridient and one which is so unpredictable. Experience, an ingridient that can make all the difference, and make up for the older guys lacking half a yard of pace. Flair, something often lacking in our line ups, maybe because we have a tad too much experience, but that's Lingard's job, Lingard and Buckley.
Passion and commitment, I think we have both by the bucklet load, but those two ingridients are often displayed more by our defenders. The ability to spring a surprise, probably not as Oscar is not the type to take chances at the start of the game. Composure, not in all parts of our game but we have enough not to get flustered, as demonstrated by the delivery from CMS and the finish of Ulloa. All in all, I think we have enough about us to do what needs doing on thursday, and what needs doing is, take a two goal lead into the second leg, but hey, who knows, anything could happen.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Two tough matches coming up, and not tough for just Brighton, I think Derby recognize the fact that we will be no push overs at home or away. In a season where we have blown hot and cold I think it's fair to say that we the fans really don't know what to expect thursday evening, but one thing we do know is, Derby are not in thrid place without good reason. To get to the final we are going to need to play at a level that has rarely been seen this season, two performances of the type that saw us beat Leicester, anything less and Derby will punish us, they have the players to do it. We are a team that appears to play better against good opposition, so with that in mind, perhaps we will turn on the style, up the tempo right from the get go and press them high up the park, but the key word is, 'perhaps.' In keeping with my, 'glass half full,' attitude, I think we will get the job done, the fans at the Amex will see a display from us and that we will go to Derby with a win under our belts.[/p][/quote]Agree entirely , we turn up for the hard games, I think our ageing squad will have the experience over derby who's players have yet to play a two leg affair, derby should be second place with what they have achieved ... But they have had little to play for over last few games, add nerves to that and hopefully a partisan crowd Thursday .. And it could be done and dusted! Lol[/p][/quote]Nerves, the key ingridient and one which is so unpredictable. Experience, an ingridient that can make all the difference, and make up for the older guys lacking half a yard of pace. Flair, something often lacking in our line ups, maybe because we have a tad too much experience, but that's Lingard's job, Lingard and Buckley. Passion and commitment, I think we have both by the bucklet load, but those two ingridients are often displayed more by our defenders. The ability to spring a surprise, probably not as Oscar is not the type to take chances at the start of the game. Composure, not in all parts of our game but we have enough not to get flustered, as demonstrated by the delivery from CMS and the finish of Ulloa. All in all, I think we have enough about us to do what needs doing on thursday, and what needs doing is, take a two goal lead into the second leg, but hey, who knows, anything could happen. VegasSeagull
  • Score: -1

12:24pm Tue 6 May 14

brightonup says...

Some good thought-provoking posts here.
Whatever the differences of opinion between us, we do all seem to wish for the same outcome in the Playoffs, which is more than we have had in previous threads.
...and the speculation and counter-speculation will soon be over!
Some good thought-provoking posts here. Whatever the differences of opinion between us, we do all seem to wish for the same outcome in the Playoffs, which is more than we have had in previous threads. ...and the speculation and counter-speculation will soon be over! brightonup
  • Score: 0

12:30pm Tue 6 May 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
I love how people who disagree with certain posters are derided as knowing nothing about football, rather than as people who just perhaps see it slightly differently!

I've missed this over the last few days :-)

#dunk
Surprised Arnie , you come back and make comments again about other posters either being negative or otherwise......
If you look at the Derby squad it has 4-5 players who have no big match experience in games like a play off, Will Hoskins 19 , Banford 20, to name two.. Will the game be to much for them ? The fans who turn up Thursday need to wake up and support the team, our away support is nothing short of fantastic who blew away forest in terms of noise and vocals .. Even when one down.. The three thousand who made it to forest made more noise than half the home games put together this season at the Amex.
For me it seems the gods are with OG , performances have been rarely great, but that will be forgotten if we get to wembley.
Nope, I made no reference to posters being either positive or negative. I mentioned about deriding as stupid those who see the game differently.

I also mentioned no names, just waiting for people to self-identify.
Why ? We are at the most exciting point of the season, talk football rather than commenting on others, unless it's aimed at you personally,
Did you see the headline Leicester after ulloa ? You derided me when I said that was coming two months ago? Any comment now?
You'll have to remind me which story I said that in. Context is all.

Also it is only paper talk at this stage, and most rumours have turned out to have not a shred of truth in them.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: I love how people who disagree with certain posters are derided as knowing nothing about football, rather than as people who just perhaps see it slightly differently! I've missed this over the last few days :-) #dunk[/p][/quote]Surprised Arnie , you come back and make comments again about other posters either being negative or otherwise...... If you look at the Derby squad it has 4-5 players who have no big match experience in games like a play off, Will Hoskins 19 , Banford 20, to name two.. Will the game be to much for them ? The fans who turn up Thursday need to wake up and support the team, our away support is nothing short of fantastic who blew away forest in terms of noise and vocals .. Even when one down.. The three thousand who made it to forest made more noise than half the home games put together this season at the Amex. For me it seems the gods are with OG , performances have been rarely great, but that will be forgotten if we get to wembley.[/p][/quote]Nope, I made no reference to posters being either positive or negative. I mentioned about deriding as stupid those who see the game differently. I also mentioned no names, just waiting for people to self-identify.[/p][/quote]Why ? We are at the most exciting point of the season, talk football rather than commenting on others, unless it's aimed at you personally, Did you see the headline Leicester after ulloa ? You derided me when I said that was coming two months ago? Any comment now?[/p][/quote]You'll have to remind me which story I said that in. Context is all. Also it is only paper talk at this stage, and most rumours have turned out to have not a shred of truth in them. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 0

12:31pm Tue 6 May 14

VegasSeagull says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
I love how people who disagree with certain posters are derided as knowing nothing about football, rather than as people who just perhaps see it slightly differently!

I've missed this over the last few days :-)

#dunk
Surprised Arnie , you come back and make comments again about other posters either being negative or otherwise......
If you look at the Derby squad it has 4-5 players who have no big match experience in games like a play off, Will Hoskins 19 , Banford 20, to name two.. Will the game be to much for them ? The fans who turn up Thursday need to wake up and support the team, our away support is nothing short of fantastic who blew away forest in terms of noise and vocals .. Even when one down.. The three thousand who made it to forest made more noise than half the home games put together this season at the Amex.
For me it seems the gods are with OG , performances have been rarely great, but that will be forgotten if we get to wembley.
Nope, I made no reference to posters being either positive or negative. I mentioned about deriding as stupid those who see the game differently.

I also mentioned no names, just waiting for people to self-identify.
Why ? We are at the most exciting point of the season, talk football rather than commenting on others, unless it's aimed at you personally,
Did you see the headline Leicester after ulloa ? You derided me when I said that was coming two months ago? Any comment now?
I don't see the approach of Leicester for Ulloa as a surprise, if anything I am suprised that we have not heard of interest from other clubs too. I wonder MBTS, how do you know of the release clause, did I miss an article where the figure was made known?

So if the trigger figure is correct, then we can't hope for more than seven million for Ulloa, that would be one million less than the figure I suggested could get him in the last window, so from a business point of view, not best pleased, but it still represents a healthy profit. From the squad's point of view, he would leave a massive hole, but not an unexpected one. I guess we will just have to get promoted, seems the only way we can keep him.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: I love how people who disagree with certain posters are derided as knowing nothing about football, rather than as people who just perhaps see it slightly differently! I've missed this over the last few days :-) #dunk[/p][/quote]Surprised Arnie , you come back and make comments again about other posters either being negative or otherwise...... If you look at the Derby squad it has 4-5 players who have no big match experience in games like a play off, Will Hoskins 19 , Banford 20, to name two.. Will the game be to much for them ? The fans who turn up Thursday need to wake up and support the team, our away support is nothing short of fantastic who blew away forest in terms of noise and vocals .. Even when one down.. The three thousand who made it to forest made more noise than half the home games put together this season at the Amex. For me it seems the gods are with OG , performances have been rarely great, but that will be forgotten if we get to wembley.[/p][/quote]Nope, I made no reference to posters being either positive or negative. I mentioned about deriding as stupid those who see the game differently. I also mentioned no names, just waiting for people to self-identify.[/p][/quote]Why ? We are at the most exciting point of the season, talk football rather than commenting on others, unless it's aimed at you personally, Did you see the headline Leicester after ulloa ? You derided me when I said that was coming two months ago? Any comment now?[/p][/quote]I don't see the approach of Leicester for Ulloa as a surprise, if anything I am suprised that we have not heard of interest from other clubs too. I wonder MBTS, how do you know of the release clause, did I miss an article where the figure was made known? So if the trigger figure is correct, then we can't hope for more than seven million for Ulloa, that would be one million less than the figure I suggested could get him in the last window, so from a business point of view, not best pleased, but it still represents a healthy profit. From the squad's point of view, he would leave a massive hole, but not an unexpected one. I guess we will just have to get promoted, seems the only way we can keep him. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 1

12:36pm Tue 6 May 14

Yogi says...

Thought Capt. Haddock would have commented on the "Battered" situation!!!
Thought Capt. Haddock would have commented on the "Battered" situation!!! Yogi
  • Score: 6

12:46pm Tue 6 May 14

Free money says...

mark by the sea wrote:
brightonup wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
brightonup wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
Well first of all, I'd hope he WOULD have them ready, it's erm, his job after allI.
Secondly, it's an irritatingly over-used phrase these days - and not just by The Argus - but how on earth do you 'regroup'?
Did the lads travel back from Nottingham in separate buses?
Sorry, I'll shut up now, but I'm getting bored with all the mindless hype. Bring on Thursday....
Have to agree , lots of pointless stories , I personally will be happy with a draw Thursday and go to derby with all pressure on them, we will certainly need to improve defensively .. I thought we were pretty open Saturday, very unlike the Albion this season.
I would bring back ince and drop jfc , ..
I agree with comments about lazy phraseology by journalists.
However, I am beginning to doubt if MBTS is really a fan. There is plenty of evidence he is more of a critic than supporter - with plenty of negatives to keep our spirits low......
Why?
I comment as a neutral , rather than thinking we are perfect ,
In that those with tinted glasses, or those who nothing about football may think I am a half empty glass man.
In what way am I negative? OG has changed the balance of the 11 from negative to more attack minded, however since Stephens is out we miss someone capable of sitting alongside Andrews and defending when needed.
Derby play the ball into feet around the box, .. That's why I prefer ince to jfc .
As for a draw, the pressure to play at home especially in a young inexperienced side like derby will hopefully be a bonus.
We need to play to our strength , and that's keeping it tight for a hour, then release lua lua and cms.
Then perhaps it is your dour style.
Who thinks Albion are perfect? Most of us are just a little more upbeat than you because we are supporters, not neutrals. Isn't there a site somewhere else for neutrals?

Sorry MBTS, you do not seem to know youself very well; you are indeed a glass half empty person.
I am a Albion fan for 40 years, season ticket at the withdean when we endured adams hoof football, yes it was successful and a pleasure to gain promotion, but when I watch Liverpool , man city and arsenal zip the ball about , I am a football fan..
Where is my negative in my comment first up? Derby have got enough points to secure second place in most seasons, and they have scored a hatful as well, they have a style which we need to contain, as that is our style, contain then attack .. Good performances don't always mean good results, Saturday we were poor , defensively our midfield were non existent at times, had we gone one up, I think ince would have come on.. Great result poor performance if I am honest, honesty is not half empty glass.
Yet another outstanding post from a real fan that really goes to games.MBTS i think you will find brightonup & Ex-pat are one of the same person my friend.Anyway had a nice chat with Mr,Perry & Larry May in Dicks Bar a few hours ago and had a few good laughs about this site.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]brightonup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]brightonup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: Well first of all, I'd hope he WOULD have them ready, it's erm, his job after allI. Secondly, it's an irritatingly over-used phrase these days - and not just by The Argus - but how on earth do you 'regroup'? Did the lads travel back from Nottingham in separate buses? Sorry, I'll shut up now, but I'm getting bored with all the mindless hype. Bring on Thursday....[/p][/quote]Have to agree , lots of pointless stories , I personally will be happy with a draw Thursday and go to derby with all pressure on them, we will certainly need to improve defensively .. I thought we were pretty open Saturday, very unlike the Albion this season. I would bring back ince and drop jfc , ..[/p][/quote]I agree with comments about lazy phraseology by journalists. However, I am beginning to doubt if MBTS is really a fan. There is plenty of evidence he is more of a critic than supporter - with plenty of negatives to keep our spirits low...... Why?[/p][/quote]I comment as a neutral , rather than thinking we are perfect , In that those with tinted glasses, or those who nothing about football may think I am a half empty glass man. In what way am I negative? OG has changed the balance of the 11 from negative to more attack minded, however since Stephens is out we miss someone capable of sitting alongside Andrews and defending when needed. Derby play the ball into feet around the box, .. That's why I prefer ince to jfc . As for a draw, the pressure to play at home especially in a young inexperienced side like derby will hopefully be a bonus. We need to play to our strength , and that's keeping it tight for a hour, then release lua lua and cms.[/p][/quote]Then perhaps it is your dour style. Who thinks Albion are perfect? Most of us are just a little more upbeat than you because we are supporters, not neutrals. Isn't there a site somewhere else for neutrals? Sorry MBTS, you do not seem to know youself very well; you are indeed a glass half empty person.[/p][/quote]I am a Albion fan for 40 years, season ticket at the withdean when we endured adams hoof football, yes it was successful and a pleasure to gain promotion, but when I watch Liverpool , man city and arsenal zip the ball about , I am a football fan.. Where is my negative in my comment first up? Derby have got enough points to secure second place in most seasons, and they have scored a hatful as well, they have a style which we need to contain, as that is our style, contain then attack .. Good performances don't always mean good results, Saturday we were poor , defensively our midfield were non existent at times, had we gone one up, I think ince would have come on.. Great result poor performance if I am honest, honesty is not half empty glass.[/p][/quote]Yet another outstanding post from a real fan that really goes to games.MBTS i think you will find brightonup & Ex-pat are one of the same person my friend.Anyway had a nice chat with Mr,Perry & Larry May in Dicks Bar a few hours ago and had a few good laughs about this site. Free money
  • Score: -5

12:50pm Tue 6 May 14

Free money says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
I love how people who disagree with certain posters are derided as knowing nothing about football, rather than as people who just perhaps see it slightly differently!

I've missed this over the last few days :-)

#dunk
Surprised Arnie , you come back and make comments again about other posters either being negative or otherwise......
If you look at the Derby squad it has 4-5 players who have no big match experience in games like a play off, Will Hoskins 19 , Banford 20, to name two.. Will the game be to much for them ? The fans who turn up Thursday need to wake up and support the team, our away support is nothing short of fantastic who blew away forest in terms of noise and vocals .. Even when one down.. The three thousand who made it to forest made more noise than half the home games put together this season at the Amex.
For me it seems the gods are with OG , performances have been rarely great, but that will be forgotten if we get to wembley.
Nope, I made no reference to posters being either positive or negative. I mentioned about deriding as stupid those who see the game differently.

I also mentioned no names, just waiting for people to self-identify.
Why ? We are at the most exciting point of the season, talk football rather than commenting on others, unless it's aimed at you personally,
Did you see the headline Leicester after ulloa ? You derided me when I said that was coming two months ago? Any comment now?
I don't see the approach of Leicester for Ulloa as a surprise, if anything I am suprised that we have not heard of interest from other clubs too. I wonder MBTS, how do you know of the release clause, did I miss an article where the figure was made known?

So if the trigger figure is correct, then we can't hope for more than seven million for Ulloa, that would be one million less than the figure I suggested could get him in the last window, so from a business point of view, not best pleased, but it still represents a healthy profit. From the squad's point of view, he would leave a massive hole, but not an unexpected one. I guess we will just have to get promoted, seems the only way we can keep him.
Believe me like i said mths ago its the only way to keep him.Late kick-off was very good last night,and gave a good look at how Southampton go about doing things with young players with such great results.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: I love how people who disagree with certain posters are derided as knowing nothing about football, rather than as people who just perhaps see it slightly differently! I've missed this over the last few days :-) #dunk[/p][/quote]Surprised Arnie , you come back and make comments again about other posters either being negative or otherwise...... If you look at the Derby squad it has 4-5 players who have no big match experience in games like a play off, Will Hoskins 19 , Banford 20, to name two.. Will the game be to much for them ? The fans who turn up Thursday need to wake up and support the team, our away support is nothing short of fantastic who blew away forest in terms of noise and vocals .. Even when one down.. The three thousand who made it to forest made more noise than half the home games put together this season at the Amex. For me it seems the gods are with OG , performances have been rarely great, but that will be forgotten if we get to wembley.[/p][/quote]Nope, I made no reference to posters being either positive or negative. I mentioned about deriding as stupid those who see the game differently. I also mentioned no names, just waiting for people to self-identify.[/p][/quote]Why ? We are at the most exciting point of the season, talk football rather than commenting on others, unless it's aimed at you personally, Did you see the headline Leicester after ulloa ? You derided me when I said that was coming two months ago? Any comment now?[/p][/quote]I don't see the approach of Leicester for Ulloa as a surprise, if anything I am suprised that we have not heard of interest from other clubs too. I wonder MBTS, how do you know of the release clause, did I miss an article where the figure was made known? So if the trigger figure is correct, then we can't hope for more than seven million for Ulloa, that would be one million less than the figure I suggested could get him in the last window, so from a business point of view, not best pleased, but it still represents a healthy profit. From the squad's point of view, he would leave a massive hole, but not an unexpected one. I guess we will just have to get promoted, seems the only way we can keep him.[/p][/quote]Believe me like i said mths ago its the only way to keep him.Late kick-off was very good last night,and gave a good look at how Southampton go about doing things with young players with such great results. Free money
  • Score: -3

1:17pm Tue 6 May 14

Claude Back says...

Yogi wrote:
Thought Capt. Haddock would have commented on the "Battered" situation!!!
Very good. Like it.
[quote][p][bold]Yogi[/bold] wrote: Thought Capt. Haddock would have commented on the "Battered" situation!!![/p][/quote]Very good. Like it. Claude Back
  • Score: 1

1:51pm Tue 6 May 14

VegasSeagull says...

Does anyone know where the 7 million release clause info written into Ulloa's contract came from?
Does anyone know where the 7 million release clause info written into Ulloa's contract came from? VegasSeagull
  • Score: 0

1:57pm Tue 6 May 14

DerbyArmy_ says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
I love how people who disagree with certain posters are derided as knowing nothing about football, rather than as people who just perhaps see it slightly differently!

I've missed this over the last few days :-)

#dunk
Surprised Arnie , you come back and make comments again about other posters either being negative or otherwise......
If you look at the Derby squad it has 4-5 players who have no big match experience in games like a play off, Will Hoskins 19 , Banford 20, to name two.. Will the game be to much for them ? The fans who turn up Thursday need to wake up and support the team, our away support is nothing short of fantastic who blew away forest in terms of noise and vocals .. Even when one down.. The three thousand who made it to forest made more noise than half the home games put together this season at the Amex.
For me it seems the gods are with OG , performances have been rarely great, but that will be forgotten if we get to wembley.
Who's Will Hoskins and Banford...hahahahaha
.... really knowledgeable you eyy?
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: I love how people who disagree with certain posters are derided as knowing nothing about football, rather than as people who just perhaps see it slightly differently! I've missed this over the last few days :-) #dunk[/p][/quote]Surprised Arnie , you come back and make comments again about other posters either being negative or otherwise...... If you look at the Derby squad it has 4-5 players who have no big match experience in games like a play off, Will Hoskins 19 , Banford 20, to name two.. Will the game be to much for them ? The fans who turn up Thursday need to wake up and support the team, our away support is nothing short of fantastic who blew away forest in terms of noise and vocals .. Even when one down.. The three thousand who made it to forest made more noise than half the home games put together this season at the Amex. For me it seems the gods are with OG , performances have been rarely great, but that will be forgotten if we get to wembley.[/p][/quote]Who's Will Hoskins and Banford...hahahahaha .... really knowledgeable you eyy? DerbyArmy_
  • Score: -1

2:11pm Tue 6 May 14

Neville says...

Vegas
If the release clause is correct will have been agreed by the club and is agent,quite the norm these days.
Vegas If the release clause is correct will have been agreed by the club and is agent,quite the norm these days. Neville
  • Score: -1

2:11pm Tue 6 May 14

Neville says...

Vegas
If the release clause is correct will have been agreed by the club and is agent,quite the norm these days.
Vegas If the release clause is correct will have been agreed by the club and is agent,quite the norm these days. Neville
  • Score: 0

2:13pm Tue 6 May 14

DerbyArmy_ says...

Firstly fair play to Albion for making the play-offs. Secondly the facts for me are this: .... in the last 10 games Blackburn were the form team for 6th place (L nil, 26F, 17A) 20 points. Reading (L3, 14F, 15A) 15 points. Brighton (L2, 16F, 10A) 16 points. Derby (L2, 24F, 9A) 22 points. Blackburn would have easily been the biggest threat for me but left it too late after a very poor start to the season. Had Brighton not been lucky enough to meet Leicester 2 days after they were promoted they would not have had that bizzare 4-1 away win (Leicester lost niether before or after that. Brighton have played 6 out of the bottom 9 teams in the final 10 games too. Brighton have only scored 55 all season (could have been 51 had that Leicester game not come up) and you have to go to 18th placed Charlton to get a worse goals scored record (even Birmingham scored 58). Brighton have also conceded only 12 less than Derby. We have picked up 39 points away to Brightons 37 at home and scored more goals away than they have at home. The danger for me is that Brighton perform virtually the same away as at home, but concede virtually as many as they score..... So my perdiction is Brighton 1 Derby 2...... Derby 2 Brighton 1 based on what the form, the stats and the consistency has been over the last 10 games as well as all season. I have left a link to the Derby Telegraph so that you can respond accordingly as you feel fit after reading Derby fans thoughts about the tie.

Read more: http://www.derbytele
graph.co.uk/Derby-Co
unty-ticket-play-lot
tery-Steve-McClaren/
story-21055621-detai
l/story.html#ixzz30w
Mg8Mnu
Firstly fair play to Albion for making the play-offs. Secondly the facts for me are this: .... in the last 10 games Blackburn were the form team for 6th place (L nil, 26F, 17A) 20 points. Reading (L3, 14F, 15A) 15 points. Brighton (L2, 16F, 10A) 16 points. Derby (L2, 24F, 9A) 22 points. Blackburn would have easily been the biggest threat for me but left it too late after a very poor start to the season. Had Brighton not been lucky enough to meet Leicester 2 days after they were promoted they would not have had that bizzare 4-1 away win (Leicester lost niether before or after that. Brighton have played 6 out of the bottom 9 teams in the final 10 games too. Brighton have only scored 55 all season (could have been 51 had that Leicester game not come up) and you have to go to 18th placed Charlton to get a worse goals scored record (even Birmingham scored 58). Brighton have also conceded only 12 less than Derby. We have picked up 39 points away to Brightons 37 at home and scored more goals away than they have at home. The danger for me is that Brighton perform virtually the same away as at home, but concede virtually as many as they score..... So my perdiction is Brighton 1 Derby 2...... Derby 2 Brighton 1 based on what the form, the stats and the consistency has been over the last 10 games as well as all season. I have left a link to the Derby Telegraph so that you can respond accordingly as you feel fit after reading Derby fans thoughts about the tie. Read more: http://www.derbytele graph.co.uk/Derby-Co unty-ticket-play-lot tery-Steve-McClaren/ story-21055621-detai l/story.html#ixzz30w Mg8Mnu DerbyArmy_
  • Score: 2

2:33pm Tue 6 May 14

mark by the sea says...

DerbyArmy_ wrote:
Firstly fair play to Albion for making the play-offs. Secondly the facts for me are this: .... in the last 10 games Blackburn were the form team for 6th place (L nil, 26F, 17A) 20 points. Reading (L3, 14F, 15A) 15 points. Brighton (L2, 16F, 10A) 16 points. Derby (L2, 24F, 9A) 22 points. Blackburn would have easily been the biggest threat for me but left it too late after a very poor start to the season. Had Brighton not been lucky enough to meet Leicester 2 days after they were promoted they would not have had that bizzare 4-1 away win (Leicester lost niether before or after that. Brighton have played 6 out of the bottom 9 teams in the final 10 games too. Brighton have only scored 55 all season (could have been 51 had that Leicester game not come up) and you have to go to 18th placed Charlton to get a worse goals scored record (even Birmingham scored 58). Brighton have also conceded only 12 less than Derby. We have picked up 39 points away to Brightons 37 at home and scored more goals away than they have at home. The danger for me is that Brighton perform virtually the same away as at home, but concede virtually as many as they score..... So my perdiction is Brighton 1 Derby 2...... Derby 2 Brighton 1 based on what the form, the stats and the consistency has been over the last 10 games as well as all season. I have left a link to the Derby Telegraph so that you can respond accordingly as you feel fit after reading Derby fans thoughts about the tie.

Read more: http://www.derbytele

graph.co.uk/Derby-Co

unty-ticket-play-lot

tery-Steve-McClaren/

story-21055621-detai

l/story.html#ixzz30w

Mg8Mnu
Ha ha, I get your drift over form, but our form has been on off all season what team turns up Thursday is beyond all of us know, Derby have been a bit unlucky that Burnley were outstanding this season.. Looking forward to a good game Thursday .
[quote][p][bold]DerbyArmy_[/bold] wrote: Firstly fair play to Albion for making the play-offs. Secondly the facts for me are this: .... in the last 10 games Blackburn were the form team for 6th place (L nil, 26F, 17A) 20 points. Reading (L3, 14F, 15A) 15 points. Brighton (L2, 16F, 10A) 16 points. Derby (L2, 24F, 9A) 22 points. Blackburn would have easily been the biggest threat for me but left it too late after a very poor start to the season. Had Brighton not been lucky enough to meet Leicester 2 days after they were promoted they would not have had that bizzare 4-1 away win (Leicester lost niether before or after that. Brighton have played 6 out of the bottom 9 teams in the final 10 games too. Brighton have only scored 55 all season (could have been 51 had that Leicester game not come up) and you have to go to 18th placed Charlton to get a worse goals scored record (even Birmingham scored 58). Brighton have also conceded only 12 less than Derby. We have picked up 39 points away to Brightons 37 at home and scored more goals away than they have at home. The danger for me is that Brighton perform virtually the same away as at home, but concede virtually as many as they score..... So my perdiction is Brighton 1 Derby 2...... Derby 2 Brighton 1 based on what the form, the stats and the consistency has been over the last 10 games as well as all season. I have left a link to the Derby Telegraph so that you can respond accordingly as you feel fit after reading Derby fans thoughts about the tie. Read more: http://www.derbytele graph.co.uk/Derby-Co unty-ticket-play-lot tery-Steve-McClaren/ story-21055621-detai l/story.html#ixzz30w Mg8Mnu[/p][/quote]Ha ha, I get your drift over form, but our form has been on off all season what team turns up Thursday is beyond all of us know, Derby have been a bit unlucky that Burnley were outstanding this season.. Looking forward to a good game Thursday . mark by the sea
  • Score: 1

2:52pm Tue 6 May 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Does anyone know where the 7 million release clause info written into Ulloa's contract came from?
I'm amazed at how much of a player's private contract become public knowledge these days. If the club ain't saying and the player ain't, then either the agent is breaking their contract by leaking details or it's all made up.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Does anyone know where the 7 million release clause info written into Ulloa's contract came from?[/p][/quote]I'm amazed at how much of a player's private contract become public knowledge these days. If the club ain't saying and the player ain't, then either the agent is breaking their contract by leaking details or it's all made up. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 1

2:54pm Tue 6 May 14

mark by the sea says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
I love how people who disagree with certain posters are derided as knowing nothing about football, rather than as people who just perhaps see it slightly differently!

I've missed this over the last few days :-)

#dunk
Surprised Arnie , you come back and make comments again about other posters either being negative or otherwise......
If you look at the Derby squad it has 4-5 players who have no big match experience in games like a play off, Will Hoskins 19 , Banford 20, to name two.. Will the game be to much for them ? The fans who turn up Thursday need to wake up and support the team, our away support is nothing short of fantastic who blew away forest in terms of noise and vocals .. Even when one down.. The three thousand who made it to forest made more noise than half the home games put together this season at the Amex.
For me it seems the gods are with OG , performances have been rarely great, but that will be forgotten if we get to wembley.
Nope, I made no reference to posters being either positive or negative. I mentioned about deriding as stupid those who see the game differently.

I also mentioned no names, just waiting for people to self-identify.
Why ? We are at the most exciting point of the season, talk football rather than commenting on others, unless it's aimed at you personally,
Did you see the headline Leicester after ulloa ? You derided me when I said that was coming two months ago? Any comment now?
You'll have to remind me which story I said that in. Context is all.

Also it is only paper talk at this stage, and most rumours have turned out to have not a shred of truth in them.
Arnie, the vast majority of transfers don't happen, ie a club may make a offer for a player, they may phone the club and enquire, they may stir the players agent up at the same time.. Like the bridcutt saga, or if you remember GG joining , we made several offers to Swindon I think who knocked back our approaches... Weirdly GG made it clear he would not sign a new deal with one year left , and they buckled .. Just like we did to Sunderland .
The idea that this is just appear talk is again without anything to back that sentence up.. I know for a fact Leicester were looking at him as there scout is well known to someone I was at the Amex with , Steve Walsh was at Southampton , now head scout for Leicester .. There is the fact.
If ulloa stays or goes there is clear interest in him, with regards to clause the ratio is normally x3.5 purchase price.
Big Leo is 27 now , for him the premier league has to happen soon, financially again he will be set up for life with a three year deal .
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: I love how people who disagree with certain posters are derided as knowing nothing about football, rather than as people who just perhaps see it slightly differently! I've missed this over the last few days :-) #dunk[/p][/quote]Surprised Arnie , you come back and make comments again about other posters either being negative or otherwise...... If you look at the Derby squad it has 4-5 players who have no big match experience in games like a play off, Will Hoskins 19 , Banford 20, to name two.. Will the game be to much for them ? The fans who turn up Thursday need to wake up and support the team, our away support is nothing short of fantastic who blew away forest in terms of noise and vocals .. Even when one down.. The three thousand who made it to forest made more noise than half the home games put together this season at the Amex. For me it seems the gods are with OG , performances have been rarely great, but that will be forgotten if we get to wembley.[/p][/quote]Nope, I made no reference to posters being either positive or negative. I mentioned about deriding as stupid those who see the game differently. I also mentioned no names, just waiting for people to self-identify.[/p][/quote]Why ? We are at the most exciting point of the season, talk football rather than commenting on others, unless it's aimed at you personally, Did you see the headline Leicester after ulloa ? You derided me when I said that was coming two months ago? Any comment now?[/p][/quote]You'll have to remind me which story I said that in. Context is all. Also it is only paper talk at this stage, and most rumours have turned out to have not a shred of truth in them.[/p][/quote]Arnie, the vast majority of transfers don't happen, ie a club may make a offer for a player, they may phone the club and enquire, they may stir the players agent up at the same time.. Like the bridcutt saga, or if you remember GG joining , we made several offers to Swindon I think who knocked back our approaches... Weirdly GG made it clear he would not sign a new deal with one year left , and they buckled .. Just like we did to Sunderland . The idea that this is just appear talk is again without anything to back that sentence up.. I know for a fact Leicester were looking at him as there scout is well known to someone I was at the Amex with , Steve Walsh was at Southampton , now head scout for Leicester .. There is the fact. If ulloa stays or goes there is clear interest in him, with regards to clause the ratio is normally x3.5 purchase price. Big Leo is 27 now , for him the premier league has to happen soon, financially again he will be set up for life with a three year deal . mark by the sea
  • Score: 2

2:56pm Tue 6 May 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

Form is irrelevant when it comes to the play-offs. We as a club should know that more than anyone else. Experience, ability and being able to cope with pressure are all more important than form, but the major component now is luck. An injury here, a dodgy refereeing decision there - a whole season can come crashing to a halt due to bad luck.

It's a lottery, we just have to hope we hold a winning ticket this season.
Form is irrelevant when it comes to the play-offs. We as a club should know that more than anyone else. Experience, ability and being able to cope with pressure are all more important than form, but the major component now is luck. An injury here, a dodgy refereeing decision there - a whole season can come crashing to a halt due to bad luck. It's a lottery, we just have to hope we hold a winning ticket this season. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 1

3:00pm Tue 6 May 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
I love how people who disagree with certain posters are derided as knowing nothing about football, rather than as people who just perhaps see it slightly differently!

I've missed this over the last few days :-)

#dunk
Surprised Arnie , you come back and make comments again about other posters either being negative or otherwise......
If you look at the Derby squad it has 4-5 players who have no big match experience in games like a play off, Will Hoskins 19 , Banford 20, to name two.. Will the game be to much for them ? The fans who turn up Thursday need to wake up and support the team, our away support is nothing short of fantastic who blew away forest in terms of noise and vocals .. Even when one down.. The three thousand who made it to forest made more noise than half the home games put together this season at the Amex.
For me it seems the gods are with OG , performances have been rarely great, but that will be forgotten if we get to wembley.
Nope, I made no reference to posters being either positive or negative. I mentioned about deriding as stupid those who see the game differently.

I also mentioned no names, just waiting for people to self-identify.
Why ? We are at the most exciting point of the season, talk football rather than commenting on others, unless it's aimed at you personally,
Did you see the headline Leicester after ulloa ? You derided me when I said that was coming two months ago? Any comment now?
You'll have to remind me which story I said that in. Context is all.

Also it is only paper talk at this stage, and most rumours have turned out to have not a shred of truth in them.
Arnie, the vast majority of transfers don't happen, ie a club may make a offer for a player, they may phone the club and enquire, they may stir the players agent up at the same time.. Like the bridcutt saga, or if you remember GG joining , we made several offers to Swindon I think who knocked back our approaches... Weirdly GG made it clear he would not sign a new deal with one year left , and they buckled .. Just like we did to Sunderland .
The idea that this is just appear talk is again without anything to back that sentence up.. I know for a fact Leicester were looking at him as there scout is well known to someone I was at the Amex with , Steve Walsh was at Southampton , now head scout for Leicester .. There is the fact.
If ulloa stays or goes there is clear interest in him, with regards to clause the ratio is normally x3.5 purchase price.
Big Leo is 27 now , for him the premier league has to happen soon, financially again he will be set up for life with a three year deal .
Claiming that there is interest in Ulloa doesn't make anyone Nostradamus. There was interest in him from the moment he scored on his debut against Arsenal. There will always be interest in a player who can score a dozen goals or more in the Championship, especially for a team that doesn't actually score that many goals.

There will always be speculation, there will always be people claiming to have inside information. It's all irrelevant until it becomes an offer. If we go up then the club can quite happily tell any suitors to go whistle and the whole saga becomes moot.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: I love how people who disagree with certain posters are derided as knowing nothing about football, rather than as people who just perhaps see it slightly differently! I've missed this over the last few days :-) #dunk[/p][/quote]Surprised Arnie , you come back and make comments again about other posters either being negative or otherwise...... If you look at the Derby squad it has 4-5 players who have no big match experience in games like a play off, Will Hoskins 19 , Banford 20, to name two.. Will the game be to much for them ? The fans who turn up Thursday need to wake up and support the team, our away support is nothing short of fantastic who blew away forest in terms of noise and vocals .. Even when one down.. The three thousand who made it to forest made more noise than half the home games put together this season at the Amex. For me it seems the gods are with OG , performances have been rarely great, but that will be forgotten if we get to wembley.[/p][/quote]Nope, I made no reference to posters being either positive or negative. I mentioned about deriding as stupid those who see the game differently. I also mentioned no names, just waiting for people to self-identify.[/p][/quote]Why ? We are at the most exciting point of the season, talk football rather than commenting on others, unless it's aimed at you personally, Did you see the headline Leicester after ulloa ? You derided me when I said that was coming two months ago? Any comment now?[/p][/quote]You'll have to remind me which story I said that in. Context is all. Also it is only paper talk at this stage, and most rumours have turned out to have not a shred of truth in them.[/p][/quote]Arnie, the vast majority of transfers don't happen, ie a club may make a offer for a player, they may phone the club and enquire, they may stir the players agent up at the same time.. Like the bridcutt saga, or if you remember GG joining , we made several offers to Swindon I think who knocked back our approaches... Weirdly GG made it clear he would not sign a new deal with one year left , and they buckled .. Just like we did to Sunderland . The idea that this is just appear talk is again without anything to back that sentence up.. I know for a fact Leicester were looking at him as there scout is well known to someone I was at the Amex with , Steve Walsh was at Southampton , now head scout for Leicester .. There is the fact. If ulloa stays or goes there is clear interest in him, with regards to clause the ratio is normally x3.5 purchase price. Big Leo is 27 now , for him the premier league has to happen soon, financially again he will be set up for life with a three year deal .[/p][/quote]Claiming that there is interest in Ulloa doesn't make anyone Nostradamus. There was interest in him from the moment he scored on his debut against Arsenal. There will always be interest in a player who can score a dozen goals or more in the Championship, especially for a team that doesn't actually score that many goals. There will always be speculation, there will always be people claiming to have inside information. It's all irrelevant until it becomes an offer. If we go up then the club can quite happily tell any suitors to go whistle and the whole saga becomes moot. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 1

3:01pm Tue 6 May 14

mark by the sea says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Does anyone know where the 7 million release clause info written into Ulloa's contract came from?
I'm amazed at how much of a player's private contract become public knowledge these days. If the club ain't saying and the player ain't, then either the agent is breaking their contract by leaking details or it's all made up.
Arnie , we know how much bridge was on at man city because city used that to ease him out, you assume that people in building societies , banks , or the clubs accountants don't have a peak at certain peoples private affairs,
Check out Leicester player bonus payments!
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Does anyone know where the 7 million release clause info written into Ulloa's contract came from?[/p][/quote]I'm amazed at how much of a player's private contract become public knowledge these days. If the club ain't saying and the player ain't, then either the agent is breaking their contract by leaking details or it's all made up.[/p][/quote]Arnie , we know how much bridge was on at man city because city used that to ease him out, you assume that people in building societies , banks , or the clubs accountants don't have a peak at certain peoples private affairs, Check out Leicester player bonus payments! mark by the sea
  • Score: 3

3:03pm Tue 6 May 14

mark by the sea says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
I love how people who disagree with certain posters are derided as knowing nothing about football, rather than as people who just perhaps see it slightly differently!

I've missed this over the last few days :-)

#dunk
Surprised Arnie , you come back and make comments again about other posters either being negative or otherwise......
If you look at the Derby squad it has 4-5 players who have no big match experience in games like a play off, Will Hoskins 19 , Banford 20, to name two.. Will the game be to much for them ? The fans who turn up Thursday need to wake up and support the team, our away support is nothing short of fantastic who blew away forest in terms of noise and vocals .. Even when one down.. The three thousand who made it to forest made more noise than half the home games put together this season at the Amex.
For me it seems the gods are with OG , performances have been rarely great, but that will be forgotten if we get to wembley.
Nope, I made no reference to posters being either positive or negative. I mentioned about deriding as stupid those who see the game differently.

I also mentioned no names, just waiting for people to self-identify.
Why ? We are at the most exciting point of the season, talk football rather than commenting on others, unless it's aimed at you personally,
Did you see the headline Leicester after ulloa ? You derided me when I said that was coming two months ago? Any comment now?
You'll have to remind me which story I said that in. Context is all.

Also it is only paper talk at this stage, and most rumours have turned out to have not a shred of truth in them.
Arnie, the vast majority of transfers don't happen, ie a club may make a offer for a player, they may phone the club and enquire, they may stir the players agent up at the same time.. Like the bridcutt saga, or if you remember GG joining , we made several offers to Swindon I think who knocked back our approaches... Weirdly GG made it clear he would not sign a new deal with one year left , and they buckled .. Just like we did to Sunderland .
The idea that this is just appear talk is again without anything to back that sentence up.. I know for a fact Leicester were looking at him as there scout is well known to someone I was at the Amex with , Steve Walsh was at Southampton , now head scout for Leicester .. There is the fact.
If ulloa stays or goes there is clear interest in him, with regards to clause the ratio is normally x3.5 purchase price.
Big Leo is 27 now , for him the premier league has to happen soon, financially again he will be set up for life with a three year deal .
Claiming that there is interest in Ulloa doesn't make anyone Nostradamus. There was interest in him from the moment he scored on his debut against Arsenal. There will always be interest in a player who can score a dozen goals or more in the Championship, especially for a team that doesn't actually score that many goals.

There will always be speculation, there will always be people claiming to have inside information. It's all irrelevant until it becomes an offer. If we go up then the club can quite happily tell any suitors to go whistle and the whole saga becomes moot.
Make your mind up Arnie .. You just said in your previous post it's paper talk? Which is it?
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: I love how people who disagree with certain posters are derided as knowing nothing about football, rather than as people who just perhaps see it slightly differently! I've missed this over the last few days :-) #dunk[/p][/quote]Surprised Arnie , you come back and make comments again about other posters either being negative or otherwise...... If you look at the Derby squad it has 4-5 players who have no big match experience in games like a play off, Will Hoskins 19 , Banford 20, to name two.. Will the game be to much for them ? The fans who turn up Thursday need to wake up and support the team, our away support is nothing short of fantastic who blew away forest in terms of noise and vocals .. Even when one down.. The three thousand who made it to forest made more noise than half the home games put together this season at the Amex. For me it seems the gods are with OG , performances have been rarely great, but that will be forgotten if we get to wembley.[/p][/quote]Nope, I made no reference to posters being either positive or negative. I mentioned about deriding as stupid those who see the game differently. I also mentioned no names, just waiting for people to self-identify.[/p][/quote]Why ? We are at the most exciting point of the season, talk football rather than commenting on others, unless it's aimed at you personally, Did you see the headline Leicester after ulloa ? You derided me when I said that was coming two months ago? Any comment now?[/p][/quote]You'll have to remind me which story I said that in. Context is all. Also it is only paper talk at this stage, and most rumours have turned out to have not a shred of truth in them.[/p][/quote]Arnie, the vast majority of transfers don't happen, ie a club may make a offer for a player, they may phone the club and enquire, they may stir the players agent up at the same time.. Like the bridcutt saga, or if you remember GG joining , we made several offers to Swindon I think who knocked back our approaches... Weirdly GG made it clear he would not sign a new deal with one year left , and they buckled .. Just like we did to Sunderland . The idea that this is just appear talk is again without anything to back that sentence up.. I know for a fact Leicester were looking at him as there scout is well known to someone I was at the Amex with , Steve Walsh was at Southampton , now head scout for Leicester .. There is the fact. If ulloa stays or goes there is clear interest in him, with regards to clause the ratio is normally x3.5 purchase price. Big Leo is 27 now , for him the premier league has to happen soon, financially again he will be set up for life with a three year deal .[/p][/quote]Claiming that there is interest in Ulloa doesn't make anyone Nostradamus. There was interest in him from the moment he scored on his debut against Arsenal. There will always be interest in a player who can score a dozen goals or more in the Championship, especially for a team that doesn't actually score that many goals. There will always be speculation, there will always be people claiming to have inside information. It's all irrelevant until it becomes an offer. If we go up then the club can quite happily tell any suitors to go whistle and the whole saga becomes moot.[/p][/quote]Make your mind up Arnie .. You just said in your previous post it's paper talk? Which is it? mark by the sea
  • Score: -2

3:08pm Tue 6 May 14

mark by the sea says...

Arnie I said two months ago Leicester were going to bid 7 million, you laughed at me stating a figure ...now it's paper talk?

ARNIE WHY DO YOU KEEP COMMENTING ABOUT OTHER PEOPLES THOUGHTS,
TELL US WHAT YOU THINK RATHER THAN BEING CRITICAL OF EVERYTHING . .?
Arnie I said two months ago Leicester were going to bid 7 million, you laughed at me stating a figure ...now it's paper talk? ARNIE WHY DO YOU KEEP COMMENTING ABOUT OTHER PEOPLES THOUGHTS, TELL US WHAT YOU THINK RATHER THAN BEING CRITICAL OF EVERYTHING . .? mark by the sea
  • Score: 1

3:18pm Tue 6 May 14

VegasSeagull says...

Neville wrote:
Vegas
If the release clause is correct will have been agreed by the club and is agent,quite the norm these days.
Nev I am well aware that release clauses exist, I was just wondering how MBTS knew what the figure was. As yet Mark hasn't replied to my asking, perhaps he missed my comment.
[quote][p][bold]Neville[/bold] wrote: Vegas If the release clause is correct will have been agreed by the club and is agent,quite the norm these days.[/p][/quote]Nev I am well aware that release clauses exist, I was just wondering how MBTS knew what the figure was. As yet Mark hasn't replied to my asking, perhaps he missed my comment. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 0

3:29pm Tue 6 May 14

mark by the sea says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Neville wrote:
Vegas
If the release clause is correct will have been agreed by the club and is agent,quite the norm these days.
Nev I am well aware that release clauses exist, I was just wondering how MBTS knew what the figure was. As yet Mark hasn't replied to my asking, perhaps he missed my comment.
The figure was from a former coach at Southampton who I was with at the Amex .. He had a twenty min chat with Steve Walsh, our conversation took part after they had spoken.. And that figure cropped up.
The ratio I was told was 3.5 x purchase = clause release ..
I have to add I am not quoting Steve Walsh in this conversation
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Neville[/bold] wrote: Vegas If the release clause is correct will have been agreed by the club and is agent,quite the norm these days.[/p][/quote]Nev I am well aware that release clauses exist, I was just wondering how MBTS knew what the figure was. As yet Mark hasn't replied to my asking, perhaps he missed my comment.[/p][/quote]The figure was from a former coach at Southampton who I was with at the Amex .. He had a twenty min chat with Steve Walsh, our conversation took part after they had spoken.. And that figure cropped up. The ratio I was told was 3.5 x purchase = clause release .. I have to add I am not quoting Steve Walsh in this conversation mark by the sea
  • Score: 1

3:31pm Tue 6 May 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Does anyone know where the 7 million release clause info written into Ulloa's contract came from?
I'm amazed at how much of a player's private contract become public knowledge these days. If the club ain't saying and the player ain't, then either the agent is breaking their contract by leaking details or it's all made up.
Arnie , we know how much bridge was on at man city because city used that to ease him out, you assume that people in building societies , banks , or the clubs accountants don't have a peak at certain peoples private affairs,
Check out Leicester player bonus payments!
I used to work for HMRC many moons ago and I know people used to sneak a peek at footballers' tax situations. I also know that those same people got sacked for doing so. Most of these organisations that deal in such sensitive data track and log all access, and if there is no legitimate reason for doing so then a P45 will swiftly be issued. After all, it is a criminal offence in many cases.

If a club wishes to leak certain private information then more fool them (that is also a breach of contract), but most 'info' is speculation and guesswork.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Does anyone know where the 7 million release clause info written into Ulloa's contract came from?[/p][/quote]I'm amazed at how much of a player's private contract become public knowledge these days. If the club ain't saying and the player ain't, then either the agent is breaking their contract by leaking details or it's all made up.[/p][/quote]Arnie , we know how much bridge was on at man city because city used that to ease him out, you assume that people in building societies , banks , or the clubs accountants don't have a peak at certain peoples private affairs, Check out Leicester player bonus payments![/p][/quote]I used to work for HMRC many moons ago and I know people used to sneak a peek at footballers' tax situations. I also know that those same people got sacked for doing so. Most of these organisations that deal in such sensitive data track and log all access, and if there is no legitimate reason for doing so then a P45 will swiftly be issued. After all, it is a criminal offence in many cases. If a club wishes to leak certain private information then more fool them (that is also a breach of contract), but most 'info' is speculation and guesswork. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 1

3:33pm Tue 6 May 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
I love how people who disagree with certain posters are derided as knowing nothing about football, rather than as people who just perhaps see it slightly differently!

I've missed this over the last few days :-)

#dunk
Surprised Arnie , you come back and make comments again about other posters either being negative or otherwise......
If you look at the Derby squad it has 4-5 players who have no big match experience in games like a play off, Will Hoskins 19 , Banford 20, to name two.. Will the game be to much for them ? The fans who turn up Thursday need to wake up and support the team, our away support is nothing short of fantastic who blew away forest in terms of noise and vocals .. Even when one down.. The three thousand who made it to forest made more noise than half the home games put together this season at the Amex.
For me it seems the gods are with OG , performances have been rarely great, but that will be forgotten if we get to wembley.
Nope, I made no reference to posters being either positive or negative. I mentioned about deriding as stupid those who see the game differently.

I also mentioned no names, just waiting for people to self-identify.
Why ? We are at the most exciting point of the season, talk football rather than commenting on others, unless it's aimed at you personally,
Did you see the headline Leicester after ulloa ? You derided me when I said that was coming two months ago? Any comment now?
You'll have to remind me which story I said that in. Context is all.

Also it is only paper talk at this stage, and most rumours have turned out to have not a shred of truth in them.
Arnie, the vast majority of transfers don't happen, ie a club may make a offer for a player, they may phone the club and enquire, they may stir the players agent up at the same time.. Like the bridcutt saga, or if you remember GG joining , we made several offers to Swindon I think who knocked back our approaches... Weirdly GG made it clear he would not sign a new deal with one year left , and they buckled .. Just like we did to Sunderland .
The idea that this is just appear talk is again without anything to back that sentence up.. I know for a fact Leicester were looking at him as there scout is well known to someone I was at the Amex with , Steve Walsh was at Southampton , now head scout for Leicester .. There is the fact.
If ulloa stays or goes there is clear interest in him, with regards to clause the ratio is normally x3.5 purchase price.
Big Leo is 27 now , for him the premier league has to happen soon, financially again he will be set up for life with a three year deal .
Claiming that there is interest in Ulloa doesn't make anyone Nostradamus. There was interest in him from the moment he scored on his debut against Arsenal. There will always be interest in a player who can score a dozen goals or more in the Championship, especially for a team that doesn't actually score that many goals.

There will always be speculation, there will always be people claiming to have inside information. It's all irrelevant until it becomes an offer. If we go up then the club can quite happily tell any suitors to go whistle and the whole saga becomes moot.
Make your mind up Arnie .. You just said in your previous post it's paper talk? Which is it?
The general interest is well known and unsurprising, the specific clubs are - in general - speculation. There is no ambiguity there.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: I love how people who disagree with certain posters are derided as knowing nothing about football, rather than as people who just perhaps see it slightly differently! I've missed this over the last few days :-) #dunk[/p][/quote]Surprised Arnie , you come back and make comments again about other posters either being negative or otherwise...... If you look at the Derby squad it has 4-5 players who have no big match experience in games like a play off, Will Hoskins 19 , Banford 20, to name two.. Will the game be to much for them ? The fans who turn up Thursday need to wake up and support the team, our away support is nothing short of fantastic who blew away forest in terms of noise and vocals .. Even when one down.. The three thousand who made it to forest made more noise than half the home games put together this season at the Amex. For me it seems the gods are with OG , performances have been rarely great, but that will be forgotten if we get to wembley.[/p][/quote]Nope, I made no reference to posters being either positive or negative. I mentioned about deriding as stupid those who see the game differently. I also mentioned no names, just waiting for people to self-identify.[/p][/quote]Why ? We are at the most exciting point of the season, talk football rather than commenting on others, unless it's aimed at you personally, Did you see the headline Leicester after ulloa ? You derided me when I said that was coming two months ago? Any comment now?[/p][/quote]You'll have to remind me which story I said that in. Context is all. Also it is only paper talk at this stage, and most rumours have turned out to have not a shred of truth in them.[/p][/quote]Arnie, the vast majority of transfers don't happen, ie a club may make a offer for a player, they may phone the club and enquire, they may stir the players agent up at the same time.. Like the bridcutt saga, or if you remember GG joining , we made several offers to Swindon I think who knocked back our approaches... Weirdly GG made it clear he would not sign a new deal with one year left , and they buckled .. Just like we did to Sunderland . The idea that this is just appear talk is again without anything to back that sentence up.. I know for a fact Leicester were looking at him as there scout is well known to someone I was at the Amex with , Steve Walsh was at Southampton , now head scout for Leicester .. There is the fact. If ulloa stays or goes there is clear interest in him, with regards to clause the ratio is normally x3.5 purchase price. Big Leo is 27 now , for him the premier league has to happen soon, financially again he will be set up for life with a three year deal .[/p][/quote]Claiming that there is interest in Ulloa doesn't make anyone Nostradamus. There was interest in him from the moment he scored on his debut against Arsenal. There will always be interest in a player who can score a dozen goals or more in the Championship, especially for a team that doesn't actually score that many goals. There will always be speculation, there will always be people claiming to have inside information. It's all irrelevant until it becomes an offer. If we go up then the club can quite happily tell any suitors to go whistle and the whole saga becomes moot.[/p][/quote]Make your mind up Arnie .. You just said in your previous post it's paper talk? Which is it?[/p][/quote]The general interest is well known and unsurprising, the specific clubs are - in general - speculation. There is no ambiguity there. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 1

3:35pm Tue 6 May 14

VegasSeagull says...

mark by the sea wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Neville wrote:
Vegas
If the release clause is correct will have been agreed by the club and is agent,quite the norm these days.
Nev I am well aware that release clauses exist, I was just wondering how MBTS knew what the figure was. As yet Mark hasn't replied to my asking, perhaps he missed my comment.
The figure was from a former coach at Southampton who I was with at the Amex .. He had a twenty min chat with Steve Walsh, our conversation took part after they had spoken.. And that figure cropped up.
The ratio I was told was 3.5 x purchase = clause release ..
I have to add I am not quoting Steve Walsh in this conversation
so just to be clear, this release figure that you have suggested is not a, 'fact,' but an, 'educated guess based on conversations with others,' is that correct?

The reason why I am asking is that I think there could be others eyeing Ulloa, if that turns out to be the case, the sale price could, and some might think should, go higher.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Neville[/bold] wrote: Vegas If the release clause is correct will have been agreed by the club and is agent,quite the norm these days.[/p][/quote]Nev I am well aware that release clauses exist, I was just wondering how MBTS knew what the figure was. As yet Mark hasn't replied to my asking, perhaps he missed my comment.[/p][/quote]The figure was from a former coach at Southampton who I was with at the Amex .. He had a twenty min chat with Steve Walsh, our conversation took part after they had spoken.. And that figure cropped up. The ratio I was told was 3.5 x purchase = clause release .. I have to add I am not quoting Steve Walsh in this conversation[/p][/quote]so just to be clear, this release figure that you have suggested is not a, 'fact,' but an, 'educated guess based on conversations with others,' is that correct? The reason why I am asking is that I think there could be others eyeing Ulloa, if that turns out to be the case, the sale price could, and some might think should, go higher. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 1

3:37pm Tue 6 May 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Arnie I said two months ago Leicester were going to bid 7 million, you laughed at me stating a figure ...now it's paper talk?

ARNIE WHY DO YOU KEEP COMMENTING ABOUT OTHER PEOPLES THOUGHTS,
TELL US WHAT YOU THINK RATHER THAN BEING CRITICAL OF EVERYTHING . .?
Pot. Kettle. Black.

You want to know why I am talking about Ulloa? It's because YOU brought the topic up with me in the first place and dragged me into it. I wasn't even discussing anything with you.

I made another comment at 10:24am - you ignored it. Don't blame me for which arguments you wish to pick with me. Topic closed.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: Arnie I said two months ago Leicester were going to bid 7 million, you laughed at me stating a figure ...now it's paper talk? ARNIE WHY DO YOU KEEP COMMENTING ABOUT OTHER PEOPLES THOUGHTS, TELL US WHAT YOU THINK RATHER THAN BEING CRITICAL OF EVERYTHING . .?[/p][/quote]Pot. Kettle. Black. You want to know why I am talking about Ulloa? It's because YOU brought the topic up with me in the first place and dragged me into it. I wasn't even discussing anything with you. I made another comment at 10:24am - you ignored it. Don't blame me for which arguments you wish to pick with me. Topic closed. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 1

3:39pm Tue 6 May 14

mark by the sea says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Does anyone know where the 7 million release clause info written into Ulloa's contract came from?
I'm amazed at how much of a player's private contract become public knowledge these days. If the club ain't saying and the player ain't, then either the agent is breaking their contract by leaking details or it's all made up.
Arnie , we know how much bridge was on at man city because city used that to ease him out, you assume that people in building societies , banks , or the clubs accountants don't have a peak at certain peoples private affairs,
Check out Leicester player bonus payments!
I used to work for HMRC many moons ago and I know people used to sneak a peek at footballers' tax situations. I also know that those same people got sacked for doing so. Most of these organisations that deal in such sensitive data track and log all access, and if there is no legitimate reason for doing so then a P45 will swiftly be issued. After all, it is a criminal offence in many cases.

If a club wishes to leak certain private information then more fool them (that is also a breach of contract), but most 'info' is speculation and guesswork.
So your saying people do look at there income? Also clubs appoint PAYE accountants or outsource there respective .. Do you not think wives at clubs don't chat? Bank statements are shown to rent houses , lease cars, you think PAYE was run by the KGB
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Does anyone know where the 7 million release clause info written into Ulloa's contract came from?[/p][/quote]I'm amazed at how much of a player's private contract become public knowledge these days. If the club ain't saying and the player ain't, then either the agent is breaking their contract by leaking details or it's all made up.[/p][/quote]Arnie , we know how much bridge was on at man city because city used that to ease him out, you assume that people in building societies , banks , or the clubs accountants don't have a peak at certain peoples private affairs, Check out Leicester player bonus payments![/p][/quote]I used to work for HMRC many moons ago and I know people used to sneak a peek at footballers' tax situations. I also know that those same people got sacked for doing so. Most of these organisations that deal in such sensitive data track and log all access, and if there is no legitimate reason for doing so then a P45 will swiftly be issued. After all, it is a criminal offence in many cases. If a club wishes to leak certain private information then more fool them (that is also a breach of contract), but most 'info' is speculation and guesswork.[/p][/quote]So your saying people do look at there income? Also clubs appoint PAYE accountants or outsource there respective .. Do you not think wives at clubs don't chat? Bank statements are shown to rent houses , lease cars, you think PAYE was run by the KGB mark by the sea
  • Score: 1

3:45pm Tue 6 May 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Does anyone know where the 7 million release clause info written into Ulloa's contract came from?
I'm amazed at how much of a player's private contract become public knowledge these days. If the club ain't saying and the player ain't, then either the agent is breaking their contract by leaking details or it's all made up.
Arnie , we know how much bridge was on at man city because city used that to ease him out, you assume that people in building societies , banks , or the clubs accountants don't have a peak at certain peoples private affairs,
Check out Leicester player bonus payments!
I used to work for HMRC many moons ago and I know people used to sneak a peek at footballers' tax situations. I also know that those same people got sacked for doing so. Most of these organisations that deal in such sensitive data track and log all access, and if there is no legitimate reason for doing so then a P45 will swiftly be issued. After all, it is a criminal offence in many cases.

If a club wishes to leak certain private information then more fool them (that is also a breach of contract), but most 'info' is speculation and guesswork.
So your saying people do look at there income? Also clubs appoint PAYE accountants or outsource there respective .. Do you not think wives at clubs don't chat? Bank statements are shown to rent houses , lease cars, you think PAYE was run by the KGB
Does 'STRICTLY CONFIDENTIAL' mean nothing to you? I don't know how you run your businesses, but others take privacy very seriously indeed and force staff to attend seminars on the same. And if we're going to take wives' gossip as gospel, well...
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Does anyone know where the 7 million release clause info written into Ulloa's contract came from?[/p][/quote]I'm amazed at how much of a player's private contract become public knowledge these days. If the club ain't saying and the player ain't, then either the agent is breaking their contract by leaking details or it's all made up.[/p][/quote]Arnie , we know how much bridge was on at man city because city used that to ease him out, you assume that people in building societies , banks , or the clubs accountants don't have a peak at certain peoples private affairs, Check out Leicester player bonus payments![/p][/quote]I used to work for HMRC many moons ago and I know people used to sneak a peek at footballers' tax situations. I also know that those same people got sacked for doing so. Most of these organisations that deal in such sensitive data track and log all access, and if there is no legitimate reason for doing so then a P45 will swiftly be issued. After all, it is a criminal offence in many cases. If a club wishes to leak certain private information then more fool them (that is also a breach of contract), but most 'info' is speculation and guesswork.[/p][/quote]So your saying people do look at there income? Also clubs appoint PAYE accountants or outsource there respective .. Do you not think wives at clubs don't chat? Bank statements are shown to rent houses , lease cars, you think PAYE was run by the KGB[/p][/quote]Does 'STRICTLY CONFIDENTIAL' mean nothing to you? I don't know how you run your businesses, but others take privacy very seriously indeed and force staff to attend seminars on the same. And if we're going to take wives' gossip as gospel, well... Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 1

3:49pm Tue 6 May 14

mark by the sea says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Neville wrote:
Vegas
If the release clause is correct will have been agreed by the club and is agent,quite the norm these days.
Nev I am well aware that release clauses exist, I was just wondering how MBTS knew what the figure was. As yet Mark hasn't replied to my asking, perhaps he missed my comment.
The figure was from a former coach at Southampton who I was with at the Amex .. He had a twenty min chat with Steve Walsh, our conversation took part after they had spoken.. And that figure cropped up.
The ratio I was told was 3.5 x purchase = clause release ..
I have to add I am not quoting Steve Walsh in this conversation
so just to be clear, this release figure that you have suggested is not a, 'fact,' but an, 'educated guess based on conversations with others,' is that correct?

The reason why I am asking is that I think there could be others eyeing Ulloa, if that turns out to be the case, the sale price could, and some might think should, go higher.
I was told Walsh was watching ulloa, after the conversation between them took place.. At this point a figure of 7 million was mentioned, and we discussed the sell on clause... I made that comment 2 months ago on here, several asked why I came up with such a precise figure..
Now two months on and Leicester have millions to spend THAT figure came up today in newspapers...maybe a coincidence eh? He may be auctioned between other clubs interested, his goal scoring ratio of 1-2 games for a side that create not many great chances is outstanding for someone who has just grasped the language..
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Neville[/bold] wrote: Vegas If the release clause is correct will have been agreed by the club and is agent,quite the norm these days.[/p][/quote]Nev I am well aware that release clauses exist, I was just wondering how MBTS knew what the figure was. As yet Mark hasn't replied to my asking, perhaps he missed my comment.[/p][/quote]The figure was from a former coach at Southampton who I was with at the Amex .. He had a twenty min chat with Steve Walsh, our conversation took part after they had spoken.. And that figure cropped up. The ratio I was told was 3.5 x purchase = clause release .. I have to add I am not quoting Steve Walsh in this conversation[/p][/quote]so just to be clear, this release figure that you have suggested is not a, 'fact,' but an, 'educated guess based on conversations with others,' is that correct? The reason why I am asking is that I think there could be others eyeing Ulloa, if that turns out to be the case, the sale price could, and some might think should, go higher.[/p][/quote]I was told Walsh was watching ulloa, after the conversation between them took place.. At this point a figure of 7 million was mentioned, and we discussed the sell on clause... I made that comment 2 months ago on here, several asked why I came up with such a precise figure.. Now two months on and Leicester have millions to spend THAT figure came up today in newspapers...maybe a coincidence eh? He may be auctioned between other clubs interested, his goal scoring ratio of 1-2 games for a side that create not many great chances is outstanding for someone who has just grasped the language.. mark by the sea
  • Score: 1

3:55pm Tue 6 May 14

mark by the sea says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Does anyone know where the 7 million release clause info written into Ulloa's contract came from?
I'm amazed at how much of a player's private contract become public knowledge these days. If the club ain't saying and the player ain't, then either the agent is breaking their contract by leaking details or it's all made up.
Arnie , we know how much bridge was on at man city because city used that to ease him out, you assume that people in building societies , banks , or the clubs accountants don't have a peak at certain peoples private affairs,
Check out Leicester player bonus payments!
I used to work for HMRC many moons ago and I know people used to sneak a peek at footballers' tax situations. I also know that those same people got sacked for doing so. Most of these organisations that deal in such sensitive data track and log all access, and if there is no legitimate reason for doing so then a P45 will swiftly be issued. After all, it is a criminal offence in many cases.

If a club wishes to leak certain private information then more fool them (that is also a breach of contract), but most 'info' is speculation and guesswork.
So your saying people do look at there income? Also clubs appoint PAYE accountants or outsource there respective .. Do you not think wives at clubs don't chat? Bank statements are shown to rent houses , lease cars, you think PAYE was run by the KGB
Does 'STRICTLY CONFIDENTIAL' mean nothing to you? I don't know how you run your businesses, but others take privacy very seriously indeed and force staff to attend seminars on the same. And if we're going to take wives' gossip as gospel, well...
Yes I know what it means , but you just said staff at the inland revenue looked at people's salaries? I was told by a ex girlfriend , elton John bought watches for the players at Watford on his Amex card .. She worked there, and that was office gossip that he spent 100k on his card.
I know exactly how much my competitors pay there staff .. And my staff know exactly how much each other earn... They know how much I charge and they can probably work out how much I earn.
What's the big deal ?
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Does anyone know where the 7 million release clause info written into Ulloa's contract came from?[/p][/quote]I'm amazed at how much of a player's private contract become public knowledge these days. If the club ain't saying and the player ain't, then either the agent is breaking their contract by leaking details or it's all made up.[/p][/quote]Arnie , we know how much bridge was on at man city because city used that to ease him out, you assume that people in building societies , banks , or the clubs accountants don't have a peak at certain peoples private affairs, Check out Leicester player bonus payments![/p][/quote]I used to work for HMRC many moons ago and I know people used to sneak a peek at footballers' tax situations. I also know that those same people got sacked for doing so. Most of these organisations that deal in such sensitive data track and log all access, and if there is no legitimate reason for doing so then a P45 will swiftly be issued. After all, it is a criminal offence in many cases. If a club wishes to leak certain private information then more fool them (that is also a breach of contract), but most 'info' is speculation and guesswork.[/p][/quote]So your saying people do look at there income? Also clubs appoint PAYE accountants or outsource there respective .. Do you not think wives at clubs don't chat? Bank statements are shown to rent houses , lease cars, you think PAYE was run by the KGB[/p][/quote]Does 'STRICTLY CONFIDENTIAL' mean nothing to you? I don't know how you run your businesses, but others take privacy very seriously indeed and force staff to attend seminars on the same. And if we're going to take wives' gossip as gospel, well...[/p][/quote]Yes I know what it means , but you just said staff at the inland revenue looked at people's salaries? I was told by a ex girlfriend , elton John bought watches for the players at Watford on his Amex card .. She worked there, and that was office gossip that he spent 100k on his card. I know exactly how much my competitors pay there staff .. And my staff know exactly how much each other earn... They know how much I charge and they can probably work out how much I earn. What's the big deal ? mark by the sea
  • Score: 0

4:40pm Tue 6 May 14

VegasSeagull says...

So getting back to the content of the article. We are clearly going into the first leg of this double header with a few players nursing some knocks, and with question marks hanging over one or two others.
Ince we are told is not at peak fitness, now I am not sure if that means that he has a knock or is suffering from fatigue, maybe we will learn more tomorrow. Stephens is out, Bruno is out and Andrews has a knock, I guess JFC will have to step up again and we will have to hope that Andrews can start, could David see a recall?

If Upson is still feeling his ankle injury can he get thru two games in quick succession, I guess Dunk could figure in one of the matches. I wasn't overly impressed with Lingard at Forest, like our squad he is blowing hot and cold. To me Orlandi still looks a tad ring rusty. To be honest I am little concerned over just who Oscar can send out for the first leg, and I am even more concerned who he will have fully fit for the second leg.
I think Oscar has to try and get us a two goal cushion to take to Derby, as we might be forced into playing a rear guard action in the second leg. Any of those nursing injuries might be able to get thru the first leg, but would any of them be available for the second.
Our current batch of injured players, or those with a knock, appear to be all in midfield or defense, we don't have much cover at the back and not a lot left for the midfield. I think Derby will be able to start with some fresh legs for the second leg, I am not sure we will be able to.

Glass half full, we win the first leg by enough so as to be able to defend the lead in the second, lots of posession that goes nowhere but eats up the clock, mabe even score one on the break.
So getting back to the content of the article. We are clearly going into the first leg of this double header with a few players nursing some knocks, and with question marks hanging over one or two others. Ince we are told is not at peak fitness, now I am not sure if that means that he has a knock or is suffering from fatigue, maybe we will learn more tomorrow. Stephens is out, Bruno is out and Andrews has a knock, I guess JFC will have to step up again and we will have to hope that Andrews can start, could David see a recall? If Upson is still feeling his ankle injury can he get thru two games in quick succession, I guess Dunk could figure in one of the matches. I wasn't overly impressed with Lingard at Forest, like our squad he is blowing hot and cold. To me Orlandi still looks a tad ring rusty. To be honest I am little concerned over just who Oscar can send out for the first leg, and I am even more concerned who he will have fully fit for the second leg. I think Oscar has to try and get us a two goal cushion to take to Derby, as we might be forced into playing a rear guard action in the second leg. Any of those nursing injuries might be able to get thru the first leg, but would any of them be available for the second. Our current batch of injured players, or those with a knock, appear to be all in midfield or defense, we don't have much cover at the back and not a lot left for the midfield. I think Derby will be able to start with some fresh legs for the second leg, I am not sure we will be able to. Glass half full, we win the first leg by enough so as to be able to defend the lead in the second, lots of posession that goes nowhere but eats up the clock, mabe even score one on the break. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 5

5:33pm Tue 6 May 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Does anyone know where the 7 million release clause info written into Ulloa's contract came from?
I'm amazed at how much of a player's private contract become public knowledge these days. If the club ain't saying and the player ain't, then either the agent is breaking their contract by leaking details or it's all made up.
Arnie , we know how much bridge was on at man city because city used that to ease him out, you assume that people in building societies , banks , or the clubs accountants don't have a peak at certain peoples private affairs,
Check out Leicester player bonus payments!
I used to work for HMRC many moons ago and I know people used to sneak a peek at footballers' tax situations. I also know that those same people got sacked for doing so. Most of these organisations that deal in such sensitive data track and log all access, and if there is no legitimate reason for doing so then a P45 will swiftly be issued. After all, it is a criminal offence in many cases.

If a club wishes to leak certain private information then more fool them (that is also a breach of contract), but most 'info' is speculation and guesswork.
So your saying people do look at there income? Also clubs appoint PAYE accountants or outsource there respective .. Do you not think wives at clubs don't chat? Bank statements are shown to rent houses , lease cars, you think PAYE was run by the KGB
Does 'STRICTLY CONFIDENTIAL' mean nothing to you? I don't know how you run your businesses, but others take privacy very seriously indeed and force staff to attend seminars on the same. And if we're going to take wives' gossip as gospel, well...
Yes I know what it means , but you just said staff at the inland revenue looked at people's salaries? I was told by a ex girlfriend , elton John bought watches for the players at Watford on his Amex card .. She worked there, and that was office gossip that he spent 100k on his card.
I know exactly how much my competitors pay there staff .. And my staff know exactly how much each other earn... They know how much I charge and they can probably work out how much I earn.
What's the big deal ?
Yes, I said staff looked at confidential details. I also added that those staff were sacked very soon after. After that no-one else tried as they knew their actions were traceable.

One of the IT contactors we used had banned their staff from even discussing with their colleagues their own remuneration package was. Multi-million pound businesses will keep such tings confidential. Smaller concerns may do what they please, but a contract is meant to be confidential between employee and employer.

I don't think office gossip from your ex-firlfriend really counts as evidence of how much EJ spent. Gossip is one thing, claiming it as fact is another. I'm sure neither you nor her are claiming his bill as fact.

But still, this entire thread has s0d all to do with the above story. Topic closed for the sake of everyone else.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Does anyone know where the 7 million release clause info written into Ulloa's contract came from?[/p][/quote]I'm amazed at how much of a player's private contract become public knowledge these days. If the club ain't saying and the player ain't, then either the agent is breaking their contract by leaking details or it's all made up.[/p][/quote]Arnie , we know how much bridge was on at man city because city used that to ease him out, you assume that people in building societies , banks , or the clubs accountants don't have a peak at certain peoples private affairs, Check out Leicester player bonus payments![/p][/quote]I used to work for HMRC many moons ago and I know people used to sneak a peek at footballers' tax situations. I also know that those same people got sacked for doing so. Most of these organisations that deal in such sensitive data track and log all access, and if there is no legitimate reason for doing so then a P45 will swiftly be issued. After all, it is a criminal offence in many cases. If a club wishes to leak certain private information then more fool them (that is also a breach of contract), but most 'info' is speculation and guesswork.[/p][/quote]So your saying people do look at there income? Also clubs appoint PAYE accountants or outsource there respective .. Do you not think wives at clubs don't chat? Bank statements are shown to rent houses , lease cars, you think PAYE was run by the KGB[/p][/quote]Does 'STRICTLY CONFIDENTIAL' mean nothing to you? I don't know how you run your businesses, but others take privacy very seriously indeed and force staff to attend seminars on the same. And if we're going to take wives' gossip as gospel, well...[/p][/quote]Yes I know what it means , but you just said staff at the inland revenue looked at people's salaries? I was told by a ex girlfriend , elton John bought watches for the players at Watford on his Amex card .. She worked there, and that was office gossip that he spent 100k on his card. I know exactly how much my competitors pay there staff .. And my staff know exactly how much each other earn... They know how much I charge and they can probably work out how much I earn. What's the big deal ?[/p][/quote]Yes, I said staff looked at confidential details. I also added that those staff were sacked very soon after. After that no-one else tried as they knew their actions were traceable. One of the IT contactors we used had banned their staff from even discussing with their colleagues their own remuneration package was. Multi-million pound businesses will keep such tings confidential. Smaller concerns may do what they please, but a contract is meant to be confidential between employee and employer. I don't think office gossip from your ex-firlfriend really counts as evidence of how much EJ spent. Gossip is one thing, claiming it as fact is another. I'm sure neither you nor her are claiming his bill as fact. But still, this entire thread has s0d all to do with the above story. Topic closed for the sake of everyone else. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 1

5:44pm Tue 6 May 14

mark by the sea says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Does anyone know where the 7 million release clause info written into Ulloa's contract came from?
I'm amazed at how much of a player's private contract become public knowledge these days. If the club ain't saying and the player ain't, then either the agent is breaking their contract by leaking details or it's all made up.
Arnie , we know how much bridge was on at man city because city used that to ease him out, you assume that people in building societies , banks , or the clubs accountants don't have a peak at certain peoples private affairs,
Check out Leicester player bonus payments!
I used to work for HMRC many moons ago and I know people used to sneak a peek at footballers' tax situations. I also know that those same people got sacked for doing so. Most of these organisations that deal in such sensitive data track and log all access, and if there is no legitimate reason for doing so then a P45 will swiftly be issued. After all, it is a criminal offence in many cases.

If a club wishes to leak certain private information then more fool them (that is also a breach of contract), but most 'info' is speculation and guesswork.
So your saying people do look at there income? Also clubs appoint PAYE accountants or outsource there respective .. Do you not think wives at clubs don't chat? Bank statements are shown to rent houses , lease cars, you think PAYE was run by the KGB
Does 'STRICTLY CONFIDENTIAL' mean nothing to you? I don't know how you run your businesses, but others take privacy very seriously indeed and force staff to attend seminars on the same. And if we're going to take wives' gossip as gospel, well...
Yes I know what it means , but you just said staff at the inland revenue looked at people's salaries? I was told by a ex girlfriend , elton John bought watches for the players at Watford on his Amex card .. She worked there, and that was office gossip that he spent 100k on his card.
I know exactly how much my competitors pay there staff .. And my staff know exactly how much each other earn... They know how much I charge and they can probably work out how much I earn.
What's the big deal ?
Yes, I said staff looked at confidential details. I also added that those staff were sacked very soon after. After that no-one else tried as they knew their actions were traceable.

One of the IT contactors we used had banned their staff from even discussing with their colleagues their own remuneration package was. Multi-million pound businesses will keep such tings confidential. Smaller concerns may do what they please, but a contract is meant to be confidential between employee and employer.

I don't think office gossip from your ex-firlfriend really counts as evidence of how much EJ spent. Gossip is one thing, claiming it as fact is another. I'm sure neither you nor her are claiming his bill as fact.

But still, this entire thread has s0d all to do with the above story. Topic closed for the sake of everyone else.
You need to make more of your condescending powers!
Point Arnie is this, I said two months ago ulloa was being looked at and figure of 7 million, you as always pour scorn on info that comes on here,
Are you saying the two things are a coincidence ? Ie the club the figure, the player? Players income ie cms wages was touted at 17k a week, again that was figured when he signed ..
Cms could have joined Leicester and probably got 25k a week.. So he for one is not purely about the money,,
I except other clubs to be looking at ulloa , a goal every other game is a class act considering he moved and spoke little English.
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Does anyone know where the 7 million release clause info written into Ulloa's contract came from?[/p][/quote]I'm amazed at how much of a player's private contract become public knowledge these days. If the club ain't saying and the player ain't, then either the agent is breaking their contract by leaking details or it's all made up.[/p][/quote]Arnie , we know how much bridge was on at man city because city used that to ease him out, you assume that people in building societies , banks , or the clubs accountants don't have a peak at certain peoples private affairs, Check out Leicester player bonus payments![/p][/quote]I used to work for HMRC many moons ago and I know people used to sneak a peek at footballers' tax situations. I also know that those same people got sacked for doing so. Most of these organisations that deal in such sensitive data track and log all access, and if there is no legitimate reason for doing so then a P45 will swiftly be issued. After all, it is a criminal offence in many cases. If a club wishes to leak certain private information then more fool them (that is also a breach of contract), but most 'info' is speculation and guesswork.[/p][/quote]So your saying people do look at there income? Also clubs appoint PAYE accountants or outsource there respective .. Do you not think wives at clubs don't chat? Bank statements are shown to rent houses , lease cars, you think PAYE was run by the KGB[/p][/quote]Does 'STRICTLY CONFIDENTIAL' mean nothing to you? I don't know how you run your businesses, but others take privacy very seriously indeed and force staff to attend seminars on the same. And if we're going to take wives' gossip as gospel, well...[/p][/quote]Yes I know what it means , but you just said staff at the inland revenue looked at people's salaries? I was told by a ex girlfriend , elton John bought watches for the players at Watford on his Amex card .. She worked there, and that was office gossip that he spent 100k on his card. I know exactly how much my competitors pay there staff .. And my staff know exactly how much each other earn... They know how much I charge and they can probably work out how much I earn. What's the big deal ?[/p][/quote]Yes, I said staff looked at confidential details. I also added that those staff were sacked very soon after. After that no-one else tried as they knew their actions were traceable. One of the IT contactors we used had banned their staff from even discussing with their colleagues their own remuneration package was. Multi-million pound businesses will keep such tings confidential. Smaller concerns may do what they please, but a contract is meant to be confidential between employee and employer. I don't think office gossip from your ex-firlfriend really counts as evidence of how much EJ spent. Gossip is one thing, claiming it as fact is another. I'm sure neither you nor her are claiming his bill as fact. But still, this entire thread has s0d all to do with the above story. Topic closed for the sake of everyone else.[/p][/quote]You need to make more of your condescending powers! Point Arnie is this, I said two months ago ulloa was being looked at and figure of 7 million, you as always pour scorn on info that comes on here, Are you saying the two things are a coincidence ? Ie the club the figure, the player? Players income ie cms wages was touted at 17k a week, again that was figured when he signed .. Cms could have joined Leicester and probably got 25k a week.. So he for one is not purely about the money,, I except other clubs to be looking at ulloa , a goal every other game is a class act considering he moved and spoke little English. mark by the sea
  • Score: 0

5:47pm Tue 6 May 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

I pour scorn on claims which are backed up by no evidence. Opinion dressed as fact has no place.
I pour scorn on claims which are backed up by no evidence. Opinion dressed as fact has no place. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 3

6:09pm Tue 6 May 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

Mark, let's just agree to never bother discussing anything with each other on here. I can't imagine how tedious everyone else finds these exchanges, but if it's half as much as me then I wouldn't blame them for wanting me kicked off.

Let's just agree that we will never agree on anything and assume as much in every story. Arnie, over and out.
Mark, let's just agree to never bother discussing anything with each other on here. I can't imagine how tedious everyone else finds these exchanges, but if it's half as much as me then I wouldn't blame them for wanting me kicked off. Let's just agree that we will never agree on anything and assume as much in every story. Arnie, over and out. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 6

6:33pm Tue 6 May 14

gordongull says...

DerbyArmy_ wrote:
Firstly fair play to Albion for making the play-offs. Secondly the facts for me are this: .... in the last 10 games Blackburn were the form team for 6th place (L nil, 26F, 17A) 20 points. Reading (L3, 14F, 15A) 15 points. Brighton (L2, 16F, 10A) 16 points. Derby (L2, 24F, 9A) 22 points. Blackburn would have easily been the biggest threat for me but left it too late after a very poor start to the season. Had Brighton not been lucky enough to meet Leicester 2 days after they were promoted they would not have had that bizzare 4-1 away win (Leicester lost niether before or after that. Brighton have played 6 out of the bottom 9 teams in the final 10 games too. Brighton have only scored 55 all season (could have been 51 had that Leicester game not come up) and you have to go to 18th placed Charlton to get a worse goals scored record (even Birmingham scored 58). Brighton have also conceded only 12 less than Derby. We have picked up 39 points away to Brightons 37 at home and scored more goals away than they have at home. The danger for me is that Brighton perform virtually the same away as at home, but concede virtually as many as they score..... So my perdiction is Brighton 1 Derby 2...... Derby 2 Brighton 1 based on what the form, the stats and the consistency has been over the last 10 games as well as all season. I have left a link to the Derby Telegraph so that you can respond accordingly as you feel fit after reading Derby fans thoughts about the tie.

Read more: http://www.derbytele

graph.co.uk/Derby-Co

unty-ticket-play-lot

tery-Steve-McClaren/

story-21055621-detai

l/story.html#ixzz30w

Mg8Mnu
Thanks for that, DerbyArmy, but you are unlikely to get B&HA fans interested in statistics.
We know you won the two League games and finished 13 points better off, but what we have now is more like a Cup competition, and as we all know logic doesn't apply.
[quote][p][bold]DerbyArmy_[/bold] wrote: Firstly fair play to Albion for making the play-offs. Secondly the facts for me are this: .... in the last 10 games Blackburn were the form team for 6th place (L nil, 26F, 17A) 20 points. Reading (L3, 14F, 15A) 15 points. Brighton (L2, 16F, 10A) 16 points. Derby (L2, 24F, 9A) 22 points. Blackburn would have easily been the biggest threat for me but left it too late after a very poor start to the season. Had Brighton not been lucky enough to meet Leicester 2 days after they were promoted they would not have had that bizzare 4-1 away win (Leicester lost niether before or after that. Brighton have played 6 out of the bottom 9 teams in the final 10 games too. Brighton have only scored 55 all season (could have been 51 had that Leicester game not come up) and you have to go to 18th placed Charlton to get a worse goals scored record (even Birmingham scored 58). Brighton have also conceded only 12 less than Derby. We have picked up 39 points away to Brightons 37 at home and scored more goals away than they have at home. The danger for me is that Brighton perform virtually the same away as at home, but concede virtually as many as they score..... So my perdiction is Brighton 1 Derby 2...... Derby 2 Brighton 1 based on what the form, the stats and the consistency has been over the last 10 games as well as all season. I have left a link to the Derby Telegraph so that you can respond accordingly as you feel fit after reading Derby fans thoughts about the tie. Read more: http://www.derbytele graph.co.uk/Derby-Co unty-ticket-play-lot tery-Steve-McClaren/ story-21055621-detai l/story.html#ixzz30w Mg8Mnu[/p][/quote]Thanks for that, DerbyArmy, but you are unlikely to get B&HA fans interested in statistics. We know you won the two League games and finished 13 points better off, but what we have now is more like a Cup competition, and as we all know logic doesn't apply. gordongull
  • Score: 4

8:52pm Tue 6 May 14

pte says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
Mark, let's just agree to never bother discussing anything with each other on here. I can't imagine how tedious everyone else finds these exchanges, but if it's half as much as me then I wouldn't blame them for wanting me kicked off.

Let's just agree that we will never agree on anything and assume as much in every story. Arnie, over and out.
mate, you come across as someone that can never admit gracefully he is wrong. The ability to do this is not the sign of weakness but strength. Mark has proved his point by the events that have taken place.

Just accept it. Don't feel bad about it as there are plenty of other mugs on this forum that likewise talk endlessly about stuff they know nothing about based purely on what the club PR have put out
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: Mark, let's just agree to never bother discussing anything with each other on here. I can't imagine how tedious everyone else finds these exchanges, but if it's half as much as me then I wouldn't blame them for wanting me kicked off. Let's just agree that we will never agree on anything and assume as much in every story. Arnie, over and out.[/p][/quote]mate, you come across as someone that can never admit gracefully he is wrong. The ability to do this is not the sign of weakness but strength. Mark has proved his point by the events that have taken place. Just accept it. Don't feel bad about it as there are plenty of other mugs on this forum that likewise talk endlessly about stuff they know nothing about based purely on what the club PR have put out pte
  • Score: 1

8:59pm Tue 6 May 14

pte says...

BTW McClaren has described the play-offs as a lottery which kind of blows out the water the Derby fan's statistical analysis regarding form.

I was confident last year, ultimately disappointed. This year sneaky feeling we might do it but if we don't will accept it because what we have in reaching the play-offs is a bonus
BTW McClaren has described the play-offs as a lottery which kind of blows out the water the Derby fan's statistical analysis regarding form. I was confident last year, ultimately disappointed. This year sneaky feeling we might do it but if we don't will accept it because what we have in reaching the play-offs is a bonus pte
  • Score: 5

9:33pm Tue 6 May 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

pte wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
Mark, let's just agree to never bother discussing anything with each other on here. I can't imagine how tedious everyone else finds these exchanges, but if it's half as much as me then I wouldn't blame them for wanting me kicked off.

Let's just agree that we will never agree on anything and assume as much in every story. Arnie, over and out.
mate, you come across as someone that can never admit gracefully he is wrong. The ability to do this is not the sign of weakness but strength. Mark has proved his point by the events that have taken place.

Just accept it. Don't feel bad about it as there are plenty of other mugs on this forum that likewise talk endlessly about stuff they know nothing about based purely on what the club PR have put out
I will happily admit I'm wrong when there is evidence that I am (as indeed I have done before). A newspaper report claiming a club is thinking about an obvious bid does not (yet) justify a rumour someone put out a few months ago. (Note: I am not claiming to be 100% correct, but there is no evidence either way.)

This is the same paper, remember, that claimed we were about to sign Joe Cole. We can all claim stuff, but getting one right every now and then does not constitute inside information.
[quote][p][bold]pte[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: Mark, let's just agree to never bother discussing anything with each other on here. I can't imagine how tedious everyone else finds these exchanges, but if it's half as much as me then I wouldn't blame them for wanting me kicked off. Let's just agree that we will never agree on anything and assume as much in every story. Arnie, over and out.[/p][/quote]mate, you come across as someone that can never admit gracefully he is wrong. The ability to do this is not the sign of weakness but strength. Mark has proved his point by the events that have taken place. Just accept it. Don't feel bad about it as there are plenty of other mugs on this forum that likewise talk endlessly about stuff they know nothing about based purely on what the club PR have put out[/p][/quote]I will happily admit I'm wrong when there is evidence that I am (as indeed I have done before). A newspaper report claiming a club is thinking about an obvious bid does not (yet) justify a rumour someone put out a few months ago. (Note: I am not claiming to be 100% correct, but there is no evidence either way.) This is the same paper, remember, that claimed we were about to sign Joe Cole. We can all claim stuff, but getting one right every now and then does not constitute inside information. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 3

9:36pm Tue 6 May 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

PS: I'm still awaiting a link to the story on which I 'derided' MBTS to see if I was out of order at the time.
PS: I'm still awaiting a link to the story on which I 'derided' MBTS to see if I was out of order at the time. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 2

9:37pm Tue 6 May 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

pte wrote:
BTW McClaren has described the play-offs as a lottery which kind of blows out the water the Derby fan's statistical analysis regarding form.

I was confident last year, ultimately disappointed. This year sneaky feeling we might do it but if we don't will accept it because what we have in reaching the play-offs is a bonus
Anything from this point on is a bonus as far as I am concerned. With everything that has gone on even reaching the POs is a great achievement, and this final stage could just as well be decided in a game of rock paper scissors :-)
[quote][p][bold]pte[/bold] wrote: BTW McClaren has described the play-offs as a lottery which kind of blows out the water the Derby fan's statistical analysis regarding form. I was confident last year, ultimately disappointed. This year sneaky feeling we might do it but if we don't will accept it because what we have in reaching the play-offs is a bonus[/p][/quote]Anything from this point on is a bonus as far as I am concerned. With everything that has gone on even reaching the POs is a great achievement, and this final stage could just as well be decided in a game of rock paper scissors :-) Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 2

9:46pm Tue 6 May 14

mark by the sea says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
pte wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
Mark, let's just agree to never bother discussing anything with each other on here. I can't imagine how tedious everyone else finds these exchanges, but if it's half as much as me then I wouldn't blame them for wanting me kicked off.

Let's just agree that we will never agree on anything and assume as much in every story. Arnie, over and out.
mate, you come across as someone that can never admit gracefully he is wrong. The ability to do this is not the sign of weakness but strength. Mark has proved his point by the events that have taken place.

Just accept it. Don't feel bad about it as there are plenty of other mugs on this forum that likewise talk endlessly about stuff they know nothing about based purely on what the club PR have put out
I will happily admit I'm wrong when there is evidence that I am (as indeed I have done before). A newspaper report claiming a club is thinking about an obvious bid does not (yet) justify a rumour someone put out a few months ago. (Note: I am not claiming to be 100% correct, but there is no evidence either way.)

This is the same paper, remember, that claimed we were about to sign Joe Cole. We can all claim stuff, but getting one right every now and then does not constitute inside information.
Arnie it was not one right, I am not the news paper ... I stated the club the scout, the figure you asked me how I came to such exact figure at the time ,
Jesus why can't it be simple .. Your more interested in the argument ? What difference does it make to you if I am actually factual?
Ulloa may go in the summer he may not, fact is Leicester had there chief scout there watching him, he then scores 2 and should have scored a hat trick against them, , that should make you happy we have a asset worth 7 million .. But your hooked on proving me wrong? What does that achieve?
I am bored of your posturing over other peoples opinion, and statements.
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pte[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: Mark, let's just agree to never bother discussing anything with each other on here. I can't imagine how tedious everyone else finds these exchanges, but if it's half as much as me then I wouldn't blame them for wanting me kicked off. Let's just agree that we will never agree on anything and assume as much in every story. Arnie, over and out.[/p][/quote]mate, you come across as someone that can never admit gracefully he is wrong. The ability to do this is not the sign of weakness but strength. Mark has proved his point by the events that have taken place. Just accept it. Don't feel bad about it as there are plenty of other mugs on this forum that likewise talk endlessly about stuff they know nothing about based purely on what the club PR have put out[/p][/quote]I will happily admit I'm wrong when there is evidence that I am (as indeed I have done before). A newspaper report claiming a club is thinking about an obvious bid does not (yet) justify a rumour someone put out a few months ago. (Note: I am not claiming to be 100% correct, but there is no evidence either way.) This is the same paper, remember, that claimed we were about to sign Joe Cole. We can all claim stuff, but getting one right every now and then does not constitute inside information.[/p][/quote]Arnie it was not one right, I am not the news paper ... I stated the club the scout, the figure you asked me how I came to such exact figure at the time , Jesus why can't it be simple .. Your more interested in the argument ? What difference does it make to you if I am actually factual? Ulloa may go in the summer he may not, fact is Leicester had there chief scout there watching him, he then scores 2 and should have scored a hat trick against them, , that should make you happy we have a asset worth 7 million .. But your hooked on proving me wrong? What does that achieve? I am bored of your posturing over other peoples opinion, and statements. mark by the sea
  • Score: 0

10:36pm Tue 6 May 14

VegasSeagull says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
pte wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
Mark, let's just agree to never bother discussing anything with each other on here. I can't imagine how tedious everyone else finds these exchanges, but if it's half as much as me then I wouldn't blame them for wanting me kicked off.

Let's just agree that we will never agree on anything and assume as much in every story. Arnie, over and out.
mate, you come across as someone that can never admit gracefully he is wrong. The ability to do this is not the sign of weakness but strength. Mark has proved his point by the events that have taken place.

Just accept it. Don't feel bad about it as there are plenty of other mugs on this forum that likewise talk endlessly about stuff they know nothing about based purely on what the club PR have put out
I will happily admit I'm wrong when there is evidence that I am (as indeed I have done before). A newspaper report claiming a club is thinking about an obvious bid does not (yet) justify a rumour someone put out a few months ago. (Note: I am not claiming to be 100% correct, but there is no evidence either way.)

This is the same paper, remember, that claimed we were about to sign Joe Cole. We can all claim stuff, but getting one right every now and then does not constitute inside information.
Arnie it was not one right, I am not the news paper ... I stated the club the scout, the figure you asked me how I came to such exact figure at the time ,
Jesus why can't it be simple .. Your more interested in the argument ? What difference does it make to you if I am actually factual?
Ulloa may go in the summer he may not, fact is Leicester had there chief scout there watching him, he then scores 2 and should have scored a hat trick against them, , that should make you happy we have a asset worth 7 million .. But your hooked on proving me wrong? What does that achieve?
I am bored of your posturing over other peoples opinion, and statements.
I am not sure that it matters if either of you are right, we have all posted comments that sound like facts, but in fact, are not much morethan opinions or thoughts.
Mark answered my question regarding the 7 million release clause, I have now placed my own value on what he told me, and that was all I was trying to do, is he right or wrong in the way he formed his comment, well to me it doesn't matter as I will give it the value I think it's worth in my opinion, but I can keep that value to myself.

I just think it would help the conversation along if we tried to be clear on what we are posting, if you offer what might be seen as a, 'revelation,' then also offer the back ground behind it that gives it weight. Just a simple request to one and all.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pte[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: Mark, let's just agree to never bother discussing anything with each other on here. I can't imagine how tedious everyone else finds these exchanges, but if it's half as much as me then I wouldn't blame them for wanting me kicked off. Let's just agree that we will never agree on anything and assume as much in every story. Arnie, over and out.[/p][/quote]mate, you come across as someone that can never admit gracefully he is wrong. The ability to do this is not the sign of weakness but strength. Mark has proved his point by the events that have taken place. Just accept it. Don't feel bad about it as there are plenty of other mugs on this forum that likewise talk endlessly about stuff they know nothing about based purely on what the club PR have put out[/p][/quote]I will happily admit I'm wrong when there is evidence that I am (as indeed I have done before). A newspaper report claiming a club is thinking about an obvious bid does not (yet) justify a rumour someone put out a few months ago. (Note: I am not claiming to be 100% correct, but there is no evidence either way.) This is the same paper, remember, that claimed we were about to sign Joe Cole. We can all claim stuff, but getting one right every now and then does not constitute inside information.[/p][/quote]Arnie it was not one right, I am not the news paper ... I stated the club the scout, the figure you asked me how I came to such exact figure at the time , Jesus why can't it be simple .. Your more interested in the argument ? What difference does it make to you if I am actually factual? Ulloa may go in the summer he may not, fact is Leicester had there chief scout there watching him, he then scores 2 and should have scored a hat trick against them, , that should make you happy we have a asset worth 7 million .. But your hooked on proving me wrong? What does that achieve? I am bored of your posturing over other peoples opinion, and statements.[/p][/quote]I am not sure that it matters if either of you are right, we have all posted comments that sound like facts, but in fact, are not much morethan opinions or thoughts. Mark answered my question regarding the 7 million release clause, I have now placed my own value on what he told me, and that was all I was trying to do, is he right or wrong in the way he formed his comment, well to me it doesn't matter as I will give it the value I think it's worth in my opinion, but I can keep that value to myself. I just think it would help the conversation along if we tried to be clear on what we are posting, if you offer what might be seen as a, 'revelation,' then also offer the back ground behind it that gives it weight. Just a simple request to one and all. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 3

10:45pm Tue 6 May 14

mark by the sea says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
pte wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
Mark, let's just agree to never bother discussing anything with each other on here. I can't imagine how tedious everyone else finds these exchanges, but if it's half as much as me then I wouldn't blame them for wanting me kicked off.

Let's just agree that we will never agree on anything and assume as much in every story. Arnie, over and out.
mate, you come across as someone that can never admit gracefully he is wrong. The ability to do this is not the sign of weakness but strength. Mark has proved his point by the events that have taken place.

Just accept it. Don't feel bad about it as there are plenty of other mugs on this forum that likewise talk endlessly about stuff they know nothing about based purely on what the club PR have put out
I will happily admit I'm wrong when there is evidence that I am (as indeed I have done before). A newspaper report claiming a club is thinking about an obvious bid does not (yet) justify a rumour someone put out a few months ago. (Note: I am not claiming to be 100% correct, but there is no evidence either way.)

This is the same paper, remember, that claimed we were about to sign Joe Cole. We can all claim stuff, but getting one right every now and then does not constitute inside information.
Arnie it was not one right, I am not the news paper ... I stated the club the scout, the figure you asked me how I came to such exact figure at the time ,
Jesus why can't it be simple .. Your more interested in the argument ? What difference does it make to you if I am actually factual?
Ulloa may go in the summer he may not, fact is Leicester had there chief scout there watching him, he then scores 2 and should have scored a hat trick against them, , that should make you happy we have a asset worth 7 million .. But your hooked on proving me wrong? What does that achieve?
I am bored of your posturing over other peoples opinion, and statements.
I am not sure that it matters if either of you are right, we have all posted comments that sound like facts, but in fact, are not much morethan opinions or thoughts.
Mark answered my question regarding the 7 million release clause, I have now placed my own value on what he told me, and that was all I was trying to do, is he right or wrong in the way he formed his comment, well to me it doesn't matter as I will give it the value I think it's worth in my opinion, but I can keep that value to myself.

I just think it would help the conversation along if we tried to be clear on what we are posting, if you offer what might be seen as a, 'revelation,' then also offer the back ground behind it that gives it weight. Just a simple request to one and all.
In what way, I posted the Leicester interest 2 months ago and was criticised for stating 7 million! The story then comes out in the paper and I made it up according to one on here, How did I make up the club, the value ( remember brighton had turned down a 5 million pound bid from palace ..
I am not making a revelation simply pointing out what I said 2 months ago and was mocked by Arnie ..
I have to say this site is now more about a cliche of one or two than a debate of football and the Albion.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pte[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: Mark, let's just agree to never bother discussing anything with each other on here. I can't imagine how tedious everyone else finds these exchanges, but if it's half as much as me then I wouldn't blame them for wanting me kicked off. Let's just agree that we will never agree on anything and assume as much in every story. Arnie, over and out.[/p][/quote]mate, you come across as someone that can never admit gracefully he is wrong. The ability to do this is not the sign of weakness but strength. Mark has proved his point by the events that have taken place. Just accept it. Don't feel bad about it as there are plenty of other mugs on this forum that likewise talk endlessly about stuff they know nothing about based purely on what the club PR have put out[/p][/quote]I will happily admit I'm wrong when there is evidence that I am (as indeed I have done before). A newspaper report claiming a club is thinking about an obvious bid does not (yet) justify a rumour someone put out a few months ago. (Note: I am not claiming to be 100% correct, but there is no evidence either way.) This is the same paper, remember, that claimed we were about to sign Joe Cole. We can all claim stuff, but getting one right every now and then does not constitute inside information.[/p][/quote]Arnie it was not one right, I am not the news paper ... I stated the club the scout, the figure you asked me how I came to such exact figure at the time , Jesus why can't it be simple .. Your more interested in the argument ? What difference does it make to you if I am actually factual? Ulloa may go in the summer he may not, fact is Leicester had there chief scout there watching him, he then scores 2 and should have scored a hat trick against them, , that should make you happy we have a asset worth 7 million .. But your hooked on proving me wrong? What does that achieve? I am bored of your posturing over other peoples opinion, and statements.[/p][/quote]I am not sure that it matters if either of you are right, we have all posted comments that sound like facts, but in fact, are not much morethan opinions or thoughts. Mark answered my question regarding the 7 million release clause, I have now placed my own value on what he told me, and that was all I was trying to do, is he right or wrong in the way he formed his comment, well to me it doesn't matter as I will give it the value I think it's worth in my opinion, but I can keep that value to myself. I just think it would help the conversation along if we tried to be clear on what we are posting, if you offer what might be seen as a, 'revelation,' then also offer the back ground behind it that gives it weight. Just a simple request to one and all.[/p][/quote]In what way, I posted the Leicester interest 2 months ago and was criticised for stating 7 million! The story then comes out in the paper and I made it up according to one on here, How did I make up the club, the value ( remember brighton had turned down a 5 million pound bid from palace .. I am not making a revelation simply pointing out what I said 2 months ago and was mocked by Arnie .. I have to say this site is now more about a cliche of one or two than a debate of football and the Albion. mark by the sea
  • Score: 0

10:50pm Tue 6 May 14

VegasSeagull says...

mark by the sea wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
pte wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
Mark, let's just agree to never bother discussing anything with each other on here. I can't imagine how tedious everyone else finds these exchanges, but if it's half as much as me then I wouldn't blame them for wanting me kicked off.

Let's just agree that we will never agree on anything and assume as much in every story. Arnie, over and out.
mate, you come across as someone that can never admit gracefully he is wrong. The ability to do this is not the sign of weakness but strength. Mark has proved his point by the events that have taken place.

Just accept it. Don't feel bad about it as there are plenty of other mugs on this forum that likewise talk endlessly about stuff they know nothing about based purely on what the club PR have put out
I will happily admit I'm wrong when there is evidence that I am (as indeed I have done before). A newspaper report claiming a club is thinking about an obvious bid does not (yet) justify a rumour someone put out a few months ago. (Note: I am not claiming to be 100% correct, but there is no evidence either way.)

This is the same paper, remember, that claimed we were about to sign Joe Cole. We can all claim stuff, but getting one right every now and then does not constitute inside information.
Arnie it was not one right, I am not the news paper ... I stated the club the scout, the figure you asked me how I came to such exact figure at the time ,
Jesus why can't it be simple .. Your more interested in the argument ? What difference does it make to you if I am actually factual?
Ulloa may go in the summer he may not, fact is Leicester had there chief scout there watching him, he then scores 2 and should have scored a hat trick against them, , that should make you happy we have a asset worth 7 million .. But your hooked on proving me wrong? What does that achieve?
I am bored of your posturing over other peoples opinion, and statements.
I am not sure that it matters if either of you are right, we have all posted comments that sound like facts, but in fact, are not much morethan opinions or thoughts.
Mark answered my question regarding the 7 million release clause, I have now placed my own value on what he told me, and that was all I was trying to do, is he right or wrong in the way he formed his comment, well to me it doesn't matter as I will give it the value I think it's worth in my opinion, but I can keep that value to myself.

I just think it would help the conversation along if we tried to be clear on what we are posting, if you offer what might be seen as a, 'revelation,' then also offer the back ground behind it that gives it weight. Just a simple request to one and all.
In what way, I posted the Leicester interest 2 months ago and was criticised for stating 7 million! The story then comes out in the paper and I made it up according to one on here, How did I make up the club, the value ( remember brighton had turned down a 5 million pound bid from palace ..
I am not making a revelation simply pointing out what I said 2 months ago and was mocked by Arnie ..
I have to say this site is now more about a cliche of one or two than a debate of football and the Albion.
I am not having a pop here Mark, I am merely looking for a way in which to cut down on all the bickering. You ask in what way, well just as you did for me today when I asked how you came to know about the 7 million release clause. I asked, you told and that was the end of it.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pte[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: Mark, let's just agree to never bother discussing anything with each other on here. I can't imagine how tedious everyone else finds these exchanges, but if it's half as much as me then I wouldn't blame them for wanting me kicked off. Let's just agree that we will never agree on anything and assume as much in every story. Arnie, over and out.[/p][/quote]mate, you come across as someone that can never admit gracefully he is wrong. The ability to do this is not the sign of weakness but strength. Mark has proved his point by the events that have taken place. Just accept it. Don't feel bad about it as there are plenty of other mugs on this forum that likewise talk endlessly about stuff they know nothing about based purely on what the club PR have put out[/p][/quote]I will happily admit I'm wrong when there is evidence that I am (as indeed I have done before). A newspaper report claiming a club is thinking about an obvious bid does not (yet) justify a rumour someone put out a few months ago. (Note: I am not claiming to be 100% correct, but there is no evidence either way.) This is the same paper, remember, that claimed we were about to sign Joe Cole. We can all claim stuff, but getting one right every now and then does not constitute inside information.[/p][/quote]Arnie it was not one right, I am not the news paper ... I stated the club the scout, the figure you asked me how I came to such exact figure at the time , Jesus why can't it be simple .. Your more interested in the argument ? What difference does it make to you if I am actually factual? Ulloa may go in the summer he may not, fact is Leicester had there chief scout there watching him, he then scores 2 and should have scored a hat trick against them, , that should make you happy we have a asset worth 7 million .. But your hooked on proving me wrong? What does that achieve? I am bored of your posturing over other peoples opinion, and statements.[/p][/quote]I am not sure that it matters if either of you are right, we have all posted comments that sound like facts, but in fact, are not much morethan opinions or thoughts. Mark answered my question regarding the 7 million release clause, I have now placed my own value on what he told me, and that was all I was trying to do, is he right or wrong in the way he formed his comment, well to me it doesn't matter as I will give it the value I think it's worth in my opinion, but I can keep that value to myself. I just think it would help the conversation along if we tried to be clear on what we are posting, if you offer what might be seen as a, 'revelation,' then also offer the back ground behind it that gives it weight. Just a simple request to one and all.[/p][/quote]In what way, I posted the Leicester interest 2 months ago and was criticised for stating 7 million! The story then comes out in the paper and I made it up according to one on here, How did I make up the club, the value ( remember brighton had turned down a 5 million pound bid from palace .. I am not making a revelation simply pointing out what I said 2 months ago and was mocked by Arnie .. I have to say this site is now more about a cliche of one or two than a debate of football and the Albion.[/p][/quote]I am not having a pop here Mark, I am merely looking for a way in which to cut down on all the bickering. You ask in what way, well just as you did for me today when I asked how you came to know about the 7 million release clause. I asked, you told and that was the end of it. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 3

11:04pm Tue 6 May 14

OldGull says...

I had a feeling on saturday that we would leave it late to clinch a play off place just like in 91 when Deano scored with the late free kick.
We went into the play offs as rank outsiders and hammered Millwall in both legs. Lets hope for a repeat against Derby.
Just don't want the final outcome of 91
I had a feeling on saturday that we would leave it late to clinch a play off place just like in 91 when Deano scored with the late free kick. We went into the play offs as rank outsiders and hammered Millwall in both legs. Lets hope for a repeat against Derby. Just don't want the final outcome of 91 OldGull
  • Score: 5

11:34pm Tue 6 May 14

pte says...

So if we sell at 7m who are we going to buy as a replacement? Or will the club feel with CMS back and with FFP it's better to hold onto the dosh
So if we sell at 7m who are we going to buy as a replacement? Or will the club feel with CMS back and with FFP it's better to hold onto the dosh pte
  • Score: 3

12:42am Wed 7 May 14

VegasSeagull says...

pte wrote:
So if we sell at 7m who are we going to buy as a replacement? Or will the club feel with CMS back and with FFP it's better to hold onto the dosh
I guess it is a numbers game but the number of available, and good enough, strikers is the most important number. If Ulloa goes he will have to be replaced, CMS and Hoskins, if we retain him, just isn't enough, and Lingard will be gone. Two out and two in.

'If,' the 7 million figure is correct I would expect at least half that sum to be used to purchase two new strikers, maybe 4 million spent and 3 million to cut our losses.
[quote][p][bold]pte[/bold] wrote: So if we sell at 7m who are we going to buy as a replacement? Or will the club feel with CMS back and with FFP it's better to hold onto the dosh[/p][/quote]I guess it is a numbers game but the number of available, and good enough, strikers is the most important number. If Ulloa goes he will have to be replaced, CMS and Hoskins, if we retain him, just isn't enough, and Lingard will be gone. Two out and two in. 'If,' the 7 million figure is correct I would expect at least half that sum to be used to purchase two new strikers, maybe 4 million spent and 3 million to cut our losses. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 0

1:16am Wed 7 May 14

Free money says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Does anyone know where the 7 million release clause info written into Ulloa's contract came from?
I'm amazed at how much of a player's private contract become public knowledge these days. If the club ain't saying and the player ain't, then either the agent is breaking their contract by leaking details or it's all made up.
Arnie , we know how much bridge was on at man city because city used that to ease him out, you assume that people in building societies , banks , or the clubs accountants don't have a peak at certain peoples private affairs,
Check out Leicester player bonus payments!
I used to work for HMRC many moons ago and I know people used to sneak a peek at footballers' tax situations. I also know that those same people got sacked for doing so. Most of these organisations that deal in such sensitive data track and log all access, and if there is no legitimate reason for doing so then a P45 will swiftly be issued. After all, it is a criminal offence in many cases.

If a club wishes to leak certain private information then more fool them (that is also a breach of contract), but most 'info' is speculation and guesswork.
So your saying people do look at there income? Also clubs appoint PAYE accountants or outsource there respective .. Do you not think wives at clubs don't chat? Bank statements are shown to rent houses , lease cars, you think PAYE was run by the KGB
You are outstanding my friend.Enjoy the game thursday what ever the result.Got my ticket yet again.Im so happy i even hope Vegas & Ex-pat enjoy also where ever they are.The only thing i really know for sure is i would love to see Brighton in the prem-league b4 i die.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Does anyone know where the 7 million release clause info written into Ulloa's contract came from?[/p][/quote]I'm amazed at how much of a player's private contract become public knowledge these days. If the club ain't saying and the player ain't, then either the agent is breaking their contract by leaking details or it's all made up.[/p][/quote]Arnie , we know how much bridge was on at man city because city used that to ease him out, you assume that people in building societies , banks , or the clubs accountants don't have a peak at certain peoples private affairs, Check out Leicester player bonus payments![/p][/quote]I used to work for HMRC many moons ago and I know people used to sneak a peek at footballers' tax situations. I also know that those same people got sacked for doing so. Most of these organisations that deal in such sensitive data track and log all access, and if there is no legitimate reason for doing so then a P45 will swiftly be issued. After all, it is a criminal offence in many cases. If a club wishes to leak certain private information then more fool them (that is also a breach of contract), but most 'info' is speculation and guesswork.[/p][/quote]So your saying people do look at there income? Also clubs appoint PAYE accountants or outsource there respective .. Do you not think wives at clubs don't chat? Bank statements are shown to rent houses , lease cars, you think PAYE was run by the KGB[/p][/quote]You are outstanding my friend.Enjoy the game thursday what ever the result.Got my ticket yet again.Im so happy i even hope Vegas & Ex-pat enjoy also where ever they are.The only thing i really know for sure is i would love to see Brighton in the prem-league b4 i die. Free money
  • Score: 2

9:21am Wed 7 May 14

DuncanThickett says...

Brighton 1 Derby 0

Derby 1 Brighton 1

Brighton 2 QPR 1

Well, a boy can dream.....But we're in the hat, and WE CAN DO IT!
Brighton 1 Derby 0 Derby 1 Brighton 1 Brighton 2 QPR 1 Well, a boy can dream.....But we're in the hat, and WE CAN DO IT! DuncanThickett
  • Score: 1

12:39pm Wed 7 May 14

Captain Haddock says...

Yogi wrote:
Thought Capt. Haddock would have commented on the "Battered" situation!!!
Haha! It was a halibut temptation!
[quote][p][bold]Yogi[/bold] wrote: Thought Capt. Haddock would have commented on the "Battered" situation!!![/p][/quote]Haha! It was a halibut temptation! Captain Haddock
  • Score: 2

2:14pm Wed 7 May 14

Chi Gull says...

brightonup wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
Well first of all, I'd hope he WOULD have them ready, it's erm, his job after allI.
Secondly, it's an irritatingly over-used phrase these days - and not just by The Argus - but how on earth do you 'regroup'?
Did the lads travel back from Nottingham in separate buses?
Sorry, I'll shut up now, but I'm getting bored with all the mindless hype. Bring on Thursday....
Have to agree , lots of pointless stories , I personally will be happy with a draw Thursday and go to derby with all pressure on them, we will certainly need to improve defensively .. I thought we were pretty open Saturday, very unlike the Albion this season.
I would bring back ince and drop jfc , ..
I agree with comments about lazy phraseology by journalists.
However, I am beginning to doubt if MBTS is really a fan. There is plenty of evidence he is more of a critic than supporter - with plenty of negatives to keep our spirits low......
Why?
Having seen MBTS's excellent posts when Gus got us playing proper football at last, I have no doubt who we supports. A bit of constructive criticism is always welcome, especially when it's from a true fan.
[quote][p][bold]brightonup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: Well first of all, I'd hope he WOULD have them ready, it's erm, his job after allI. Secondly, it's an irritatingly over-used phrase these days - and not just by The Argus - but how on earth do you 'regroup'? Did the lads travel back from Nottingham in separate buses? Sorry, I'll shut up now, but I'm getting bored with all the mindless hype. Bring on Thursday....[/p][/quote]Have to agree , lots of pointless stories , I personally will be happy with a draw Thursday and go to derby with all pressure on them, we will certainly need to improve defensively .. I thought we were pretty open Saturday, very unlike the Albion this season. I would bring back ince and drop jfc , ..[/p][/quote]I agree with comments about lazy phraseology by journalists. However, I am beginning to doubt if MBTS is really a fan. There is plenty of evidence he is more of a critic than supporter - with plenty of negatives to keep our spirits low...... Why?[/p][/quote]Having seen MBTS's excellent posts when Gus got us playing proper football at last, I have no doubt who we supports. A bit of constructive criticism is always welcome, especially when it's from a true fan. Chi Gull
  • Score: 3

2:28pm Wed 7 May 14

Captain Haddock says...

DerbyArmy_ wrote:
Firstly fair play to Albion for making the play-offs. Secondly the facts for me are this: .... in the last 10 games Blackburn were the form team for 6th place (L nil, 26F, 17A) 20 points. Reading (L3, 14F, 15A) 15 points. Brighton (L2, 16F, 10A) 16 points. Derby (L2, 24F, 9A) 22 points. Blackburn would have easily been the biggest threat for me but left it too late after a very poor start to the season. Had Brighton not been lucky enough to meet Leicester 2 days after they were promoted they would not have had that bizzare 4-1 away win (Leicester lost niether before or after that. Brighton have played 6 out of the bottom 9 teams in the final 10 games too. Brighton have only scored 55 all season (could have been 51 had that Leicester game not come up) and you have to go to 18th placed Charlton to get a worse goals scored record (even Birmingham scored 58). Brighton have also conceded only 12 less than Derby. We have picked up 39 points away to Brightons 37 at home and scored more goals away than they have at home. The danger for me is that Brighton perform virtually the same away as at home, but concede virtually as many as they score..... So my perdiction is Brighton 1 Derby 2...... Derby 2 Brighton 1 based on what the form, the stats and the consistency has been over the last 10 games as well as all season. I have left a link to the Derby Telegraph so that you can respond accordingly as you feel fit after reading Derby fans thoughts about the tie.

Read more: http://www.derbytele

graph.co.uk/Derby-Co

unty-ticket-play-lot

tery-Steve-McClaren/

story-21055621-detai

l/story.html#ixzz30w

Mg8Mnu
Thanks, DerbyArmy. I will have a look. Regarding your stats and predictions, you may well be right. One thing I would say regarding Leicester is that we absolutely battered them in the home match beating them 3-1. I don't think we have quite been given the credit we deserve for that match even though the margin of victory is clearly reflected by their "promotion hangover".

We also took four points off Burnley, four off QPR and three off Wigan (should have been six as the 1-2 home defeat was nearly as good a performance as the home win over Leicester, despite us going home pointless.

My point is we are much, much better against the better sides. This may be partly due to us knowing we need to raise our game but is largely due to the better sides (footballing sides) suiting our style of play more. Trust me most of us didn't see our easier run-in as an advantage at all. We struggle when sides park the bus and the Blackpools and Huddersfields of this world certainly did that.

In our home match with you guys, you had three or four chances and scored two. Your defence was excellent that day. We were on only our second ever competitive game under Oscar and had no cohesion and a huge number of injuries (plus the mother of all playoff hangovers). The ref was also awful that game (what's new for all of us, eh??!!!!). I couldn't make the return game at The iPro but by all accounts it should've been a draw although I have heard we were very negative that day.

Anyway, when all is said and done, it promises to be an interesting and entertaining tie. I reckon both games will be good and may the best team win (unless that's you, in which case I hope we sneak it!). Ha ha!
[quote][p][bold]DerbyArmy_[/bold] wrote: Firstly fair play to Albion for making the play-offs. Secondly the facts for me are this: .... in the last 10 games Blackburn were the form team for 6th place (L nil, 26F, 17A) 20 points. Reading (L3, 14F, 15A) 15 points. Brighton (L2, 16F, 10A) 16 points. Derby (L2, 24F, 9A) 22 points. Blackburn would have easily been the biggest threat for me but left it too late after a very poor start to the season. Had Brighton not been lucky enough to meet Leicester 2 days after they were promoted they would not have had that bizzare 4-1 away win (Leicester lost niether before or after that. Brighton have played 6 out of the bottom 9 teams in the final 10 games too. Brighton have only scored 55 all season (could have been 51 had that Leicester game not come up) and you have to go to 18th placed Charlton to get a worse goals scored record (even Birmingham scored 58). Brighton have also conceded only 12 less than Derby. We have picked up 39 points away to Brightons 37 at home and scored more goals away than they have at home. The danger for me is that Brighton perform virtually the same away as at home, but concede virtually as many as they score..... So my perdiction is Brighton 1 Derby 2...... Derby 2 Brighton 1 based on what the form, the stats and the consistency has been over the last 10 games as well as all season. I have left a link to the Derby Telegraph so that you can respond accordingly as you feel fit after reading Derby fans thoughts about the tie. Read more: http://www.derbytele graph.co.uk/Derby-Co unty-ticket-play-lot tery-Steve-McClaren/ story-21055621-detai l/story.html#ixzz30w Mg8Mnu[/p][/quote]Thanks, DerbyArmy. I will have a look. Regarding your stats and predictions, you may well be right. One thing I would say regarding Leicester is that we absolutely battered them in the home match beating them 3-1. I don't think we have quite been given the credit we deserve for that match even though the margin of victory is clearly reflected by their "promotion hangover". We also took four points off Burnley, four off QPR and three off Wigan (should have been six as the 1-2 home defeat was nearly as good a performance as the home win over Leicester, despite us going home pointless. My point is we are much, much better against the better sides. This may be partly due to us knowing we need to raise our game but is largely due to the better sides (footballing sides) suiting our style of play more. Trust me most of us didn't see our easier run-in as an advantage at all. We struggle when sides park the bus and the Blackpools and Huddersfields of this world certainly did that. In our home match with you guys, you had three or four chances and scored two. Your defence was excellent that day. We were on only our second ever competitive game under Oscar and had no cohesion and a huge number of injuries (plus the mother of all playoff hangovers). The ref was also awful that game (what's new for all of us, eh??!!!!). I couldn't make the return game at The iPro but by all accounts it should've been a draw although I have heard we were very negative that day. Anyway, when all is said and done, it promises to be an interesting and entertaining tie. I reckon both games will be good and may the best team win (unless that's you, in which case I hope we sneak it!). Ha ha! Captain Haddock
  • Score: 3

3:57pm Wed 7 May 14

Major Bloodboil says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
pte wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
Mark, let's just agree to never bother discussing anything with each other on here. I can't imagine how tedious everyone else finds these exchanges, but if it's half as much as me then I wouldn't blame them for wanting me kicked off.

Let's just agree that we will never agree on anything and assume as much in every story. Arnie, over and out.
mate, you come across as someone that can never admit gracefully he is wrong. The ability to do this is not the sign of weakness but strength. Mark has proved his point by the events that have taken place.

Just accept it. Don't feel bad about it as there are plenty of other mugs on this forum that likewise talk endlessly about stuff they know nothing about based purely on what the club PR have put out
I will happily admit I'm wrong when there is evidence that I am (as indeed I have done before). A newspaper report claiming a club is thinking about an obvious bid does not (yet) justify a rumour someone put out a few months ago. (Note: I am not claiming to be 100% correct, but there is no evidence either way.)

This is the same paper, remember, that claimed we were about to sign Joe Cole. We can all claim stuff, but getting one right every now and then does not constitute inside information.
Yaaaawwwwwnnn! Ex-pat Argue!

We all like to hear rumours as well as facts don't we? (Well all apart from EPA apparently) It's what keeps us buzzing. I say, 'Keep 'em coming MBTS'; I do enjoy reading your posts as you often have some inside information and in addition you are not afraid to tell it as you see it. Anyway enough of that.

Will we do it? Who knows, but get ready for another two or three rollercoaster rides. Watching BHA is incredibly tension packed and if we are winning at the final whistle the relief is unbelievable, just like last Saturday.

Come on you Seagulls; just do it!
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pte[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: Mark, let's just agree to never bother discussing anything with each other on here. I can't imagine how tedious everyone else finds these exchanges, but if it's half as much as me then I wouldn't blame them for wanting me kicked off. Let's just agree that we will never agree on anything and assume as much in every story. Arnie, over and out.[/p][/quote]mate, you come across as someone that can never admit gracefully he is wrong. The ability to do this is not the sign of weakness but strength. Mark has proved his point by the events that have taken place. Just accept it. Don't feel bad about it as there are plenty of other mugs on this forum that likewise talk endlessly about stuff they know nothing about based purely on what the club PR have put out[/p][/quote]I will happily admit I'm wrong when there is evidence that I am (as indeed I have done before). A newspaper report claiming a club is thinking about an obvious bid does not (yet) justify a rumour someone put out a few months ago. (Note: I am not claiming to be 100% correct, but there is no evidence either way.) This is the same paper, remember, that claimed we were about to sign Joe Cole. We can all claim stuff, but getting one right every now and then does not constitute inside information.[/p][/quote]Yaaaawwwwwnnn! Ex-pat Argue! We all like to hear rumours as well as facts don't we? (Well all apart from EPA apparently) It's what keeps us buzzing. I say, 'Keep 'em coming MBTS'; I do enjoy reading your posts as you often have some inside information and in addition you are not afraid to tell it as you see it. Anyway enough of that. Will we do it? Who knows, but get ready for another two or three rollercoaster rides. Watching BHA is incredibly tension packed and if we are winning at the final whistle the relief is unbelievable, just like last Saturday. Come on you Seagulls; just do it! Major Bloodboil
  • Score: 1

1:11am Thu 8 May 14

Captain Haddock says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote: Does anyone know where the 7 million release clause info written into Ulloa's contract came from?
I'm amazed at how much of a player's private contract become public knowledge these days. If the club ain't saying and the player ain't, then either the agent is breaking their contract by leaking details or it's all made up.
Arnie , we know how much bridge was on at man city because city used that to ease him out, you assume that people in building societies , banks , or the clubs accountants don't have a peak at certain peoples private affairs, Check out Leicester player bonus payments!
I used to work for HMRC many moons ago and I know people used to sneak a peek at footballers' tax situations. I also know that those same people got sacked for doing so. Most of these organisations that deal in such sensitive data track and log all access, and if there is no legitimate reason for doing so then a P45 will swiftly be issued. After all, it is a criminal offence in many cases. If a club wishes to leak certain private information then more fool them (that is also a breach of contract), but most 'info' is speculation and guesswork.
So your saying people do look at there income? Also clubs appoint PAYE accountants or outsource there respective .. Do you not think wives at clubs don't chat? Bank statements are shown to rent houses , lease cars, you think PAYE was run by the KGB
Does 'STRICTLY CONFIDENTIAL' mean nothing to you? I don't know how you run your businesses, but others take privacy very seriously indeed and force staff to attend seminars on the same. And if we're going to take wives' gossip as gospel, well...
Yes I know what it means , but you just said staff at the inland revenue looked at people's salaries? I was told by a ex girlfriend , elton John bought watches for the players at Watford on his Amex card .. She worked there, and that was office gossip that he spent 100k on his card. I know exactly how much my competitors pay there staff .. And my staff know exactly how much each other earn... They know how much I charge and they can probably work out how much I earn. What's the big deal ?
Funny you should mention Elton John. I once knew someone who worked at Amex who told me how much he spent one particular month on clothes. It was a staggering figure not dissimilar to your £100k!
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Does anyone know where the 7 million release clause info written into Ulloa's contract came from?[/p][/quote]I'm amazed at how much of a player's private contract become public knowledge these days. If the club ain't saying and the player ain't, then either the agent is breaking their contract by leaking details or it's all made up.[/p][/quote]Arnie , we know how much bridge was on at man city because city used that to ease him out, you assume that people in building societies , banks , or the clubs accountants don't have a peak at certain peoples private affairs, Check out Leicester player bonus payments![/p][/quote]I used to work for HMRC many moons ago and I know people used to sneak a peek at footballers' tax situations. I also know that those same people got sacked for doing so. Most of these organisations that deal in such sensitive data track and log all access, and if there is no legitimate reason for doing so then a P45 will swiftly be issued. After all, it is a criminal offence in many cases. If a club wishes to leak certain private information then more fool them (that is also a breach of contract), but most 'info' is speculation and guesswork.[/p][/quote]So your saying people do look at there income? Also clubs appoint PAYE accountants or outsource there respective .. Do you not think wives at clubs don't chat? Bank statements are shown to rent houses , lease cars, you think PAYE was run by the KGB[/p][/quote]Does 'STRICTLY CONFIDENTIAL' mean nothing to you? I don't know how you run your businesses, but others take privacy very seriously indeed and force staff to attend seminars on the same. And if we're going to take wives' gossip as gospel, well...[/p][/quote]Yes I know what it means , but you just said staff at the inland revenue looked at people's salaries? I was told by a ex girlfriend , elton John bought watches for the players at Watford on his Amex card .. She worked there, and that was office gossip that he spent 100k on his card. I know exactly how much my competitors pay there staff .. And my staff know exactly how much each other earn... They know how much I charge and they can probably work out how much I earn. What's the big deal ?[/p][/quote]Funny you should mention Elton John. I once knew someone who worked at Amex who told me how much he spent one particular month on clothes. It was a staggering figure not dissimilar to your £100k! Captain Haddock
  • Score: 1

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