Bloom draws up shortlist

Nathan Jones has been dealing with the retained list with David Burke

Nathan Jones has been dealing with the retained list with David Burke

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Albion are confident of making a “very high calibre” appointment as they hunt a replacement for Oscar Garcia.

Chairman Tony Bloom is drawing up a shortlist as he prepares to make his third managerial appointment.

But the Seagulls have told fans they will take their time appointing a new boss after the Spaniard’s resignation on Monday.

Tim Sherwood last night remained the bookies’ odds-on favourite for the job having parted company with Tottenham earlier in the day. Malky Mackay is also a possible target.

Chief executive Paul Barber refused to comment on specific names.

But, in a prepared statement, he told fans: “We have been contacted by some very high calibre managers and coaches who want to work for Brighton and Hove Albion.

“It’s certainly a very good indication of just how far our club has come in a very short period of time.”

Oscar, who stepped down on Monday, returns home to Barcelona tomorrow. A source close to Oscar said he is not in contact with any potential new employers.

His former assistant Nathan Jones and head of football operations David Burke have been dealing with Albion’s retained list.

The Argus understands midfielder Andrea Orlandi is among those being let go.

The two Spanish coaches brought to the Amex by Oscar, Juan Torrijo and Ruben Martinez, remain at the club.

Barber said the new boss would be known as first team manager but would play the same role as head coach Oscar.

He added: “Once the legal proceedings had concluded last summer, Oscar was offered the title of manager – as his role and responsibilities were the same as the previous manager’s – but Oscar chose to retain his original title of head coach.

“The new position will also be the same role and have the same responsibilities as Oscar but, to avoid any ambiguity, we will revert to the title of manager.”

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5:15am Wed 14 May 14

Singing Seagull, Indonesia says...

Picking out the only piece of new news from this, i.e The likely departure of Orlandi, this is a shame, as he is one of those that have not quite been at their previous level for much of this season. But some good names are inevitably going to go. I do echo the thoughts of some others though, that to be released by two people who may ultimately be released themselves once a new manager is installed, is not only somewhat insulting, but maybe a little premature as we do not yet know the style of football that the new manager will be looking to run with. It's difficult to see the logic of releasing or indeed committing to retain players at this stage.

Just my opinion, but would like to see a considered and sensible appointment made as soon as it is practical to do so. And maybe, just maybe, it could happen in time for the new gaffer to have as much say as possible in who he has in his squad.

UTA!!
Picking out the only piece of new news from this, i.e The likely departure of Orlandi, this is a shame, as he is one of those that have not quite been at their previous level for much of this season. But some good names are inevitably going to go. I do echo the thoughts of some others though, that to be released by two people who may ultimately be released themselves once a new manager is installed, is not only somewhat insulting, but maybe a little premature as we do not yet know the style of football that the new manager will be looking to run with. It's difficult to see the logic of releasing or indeed committing to retain players at this stage. Just my opinion, but would like to see a considered and sensible appointment made as soon as it is practical to do so. And maybe, just maybe, it could happen in time for the new gaffer to have as much say as possible in who he has in his squad. UTA!! Singing Seagull, Indonesia
  • Score: 31

5:48am Wed 14 May 14

WestStander17 says...

Andrea Orlandigasm won't be happy at this news!!!

I'm not jumping with joy either to be honest! One of our most technically gifted and creative players (we lack these anyway) being let go. He hasn't fulfilled his potential with us but he has been battling injury.

If we will be maintaining our current style of play, we really need a dominant creative player. Someone that can dictate the pace and create openings. A fit Vicente! We've needed this player a while. A player of this ilk may have seen us go very close this year.

If releasing Lopez, Orlandi and Rodriguez allows us to get this one player, that's great but its a big "IF".

If we are changing to a more direct, energetic style, a midfield of Ince, Crofts and Stephens looks pretty good to me! Although I prefer the first option!
Andrea Orlandigasm won't be happy at this news!!! I'm not jumping with joy either to be honest! One of our most technically gifted and creative players (we lack these anyway) being let go. He hasn't fulfilled his potential with us but he has been battling injury. If we will be maintaining our current style of play, we really need a dominant creative player. Someone that can dictate the pace and create openings. A fit Vicente! We've needed this player a while. A player of this ilk may have seen us go very close this year. If releasing Lopez, Orlandi and Rodriguez allows us to get this one player, that's great but its a big "IF". If we are changing to a more direct, energetic style, a midfield of Ince, Crofts and Stephens looks pretty good to me! Although I prefer the first option! WestStander17
  • Score: 20

5:57am Wed 14 May 14

Grendel says...

Singing Seagull, Indonesia wrote:
Picking out the only piece of new news from this, i.e The likely departure of Orlandi, this is a shame, as he is one of those that have not quite been at their previous level for much of this season. But some good names are inevitably going to go. I do echo the thoughts of some others though, that to be released by two people who may ultimately be released themselves once a new manager is installed, is not only somewhat insulting, but maybe a little premature as we do not yet know the style of football that the new manager will be looking to run with. It's difficult to see the logic of releasing or indeed committing to retain players at this stage.

Just my opinion, but would like to see a considered and sensible appointment made as soon as it is practical to do so. And maybe, just maybe, it could happen in time for the new gaffer to have as much say as possible in who he has in his squad.

UTA!!
They have to submit a retained and released list to the football league by Saturday.
[quote][p][bold]Singing Seagull, Indonesia[/bold] wrote: Picking out the only piece of new news from this, i.e The likely departure of Orlandi, this is a shame, as he is one of those that have not quite been at their previous level for much of this season. But some good names are inevitably going to go. I do echo the thoughts of some others though, that to be released by two people who may ultimately be released themselves once a new manager is installed, is not only somewhat insulting, but maybe a little premature as we do not yet know the style of football that the new manager will be looking to run with. It's difficult to see the logic of releasing or indeed committing to retain players at this stage. Just my opinion, but would like to see a considered and sensible appointment made as soon as it is practical to do so. And maybe, just maybe, it could happen in time for the new gaffer to have as much say as possible in who he has in his squad. UTA!![/p][/quote]They have to submit a retained and released list to the football league by Saturday. Grendel
  • Score: 10

6:41am Wed 14 May 14

Alfie T says...

Orlandi's departure was on NSC yesterday, sorry to see him go, fantastic first touch always able to create time on the ball. Agree about Ince,Crofts & Stephens, decent midfield but some craft and vision needed IMO.
Orlandi's departure was on NSC yesterday, sorry to see him go, fantastic first touch always able to create time on the ball. Agree about Ince,Crofts & Stephens, decent midfield but some craft and vision needed IMO. Alfie T
  • Score: 13

6:57am Wed 14 May 14

clivedes48 says...

Bloom should allow the new manager a free reign over the players to be retained having been an Albion supporter since the days before they even had a west stand at the old Goldsone Ground and were a Third Division South side It was always a lack of finances that held them back until Mike Bamber became chairman the club progressed with no Director of football so the frst name on the released list needs to be Burke then perhaps the club wont be searching for another manager next year.
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Bloom should allow the new manager a free reign over the players to be retained having been an Albion supporter since the days before they even had a west stand at the old Goldsone Ground and were a Third Division South side It was always a lack of finances that held them back until Mike Bamber became chairman the club progressed with no Director of football so the frst name on the released list needs to be Burke then perhaps the club wont be searching for another manager next year. i clivedes48
  • Score: 34

7:05am Wed 14 May 14

Seagull John says...

Our last 'very high calibre appointment' has just left the club. Perhaps the clubshould have made more effort to keep that one.
Our last 'very high calibre appointment' has just left the club. Perhaps the clubshould have made more effort to keep that one. Seagull John
  • Score: 7

7:09am Wed 14 May 14

Captain Haddock says...

I think Oscar back room staff will probably eventually leave too, even though they haven't so far.
I think Oscar back room staff will probably eventually leave too, even though they haven't so far. Captain Haddock
  • Score: 16

7:13am Wed 14 May 14

brightonup says...

Seagull John wrote:
Our last 'very high calibre appointment' has just left the club. Perhaps the clubshould have made more effort to keep that one.
I agree.
It is a pity that some on this site were so vociferous about wanting to see OG replaced.
Be careful what you wish.......
[quote][p][bold]Seagull John[/bold] wrote: Our last 'very high calibre appointment' has just left the club. Perhaps the clubshould have made more effort to keep that one.[/p][/quote]I agree. It is a pity that some on this site were so vociferous about wanting to see OG replaced. Be careful what you wish....... brightonup
  • Score: 10

7:18am Wed 14 May 14

elljam says...

Disappointed with the Orlandi news. You will not get many players with his touch in the Championship. With a little bit of urgency added to his game by a new manager & an injury free run you'll probably have a Premier League player on your books.
I'm not quite sure why Burke & Jones are making a decision on certain players when, hopefully a new manager is in place well before June 30 which is when the contracts run out. Surely any prospective manager will have seen enough of us, either live or on dvd to make his own mind up on certain players.
Disappointed with the Orlandi news. You will not get many players with his touch in the Championship. With a little bit of urgency added to his game by a new manager & an injury free run you'll probably have a Premier League player on your books. I'm not quite sure why Burke & Jones are making a decision on certain players when, hopefully a new manager is in place well before June 30 which is when the contracts run out. Surely any prospective manager will have seen enough of us, either live or on dvd to make his own mind up on certain players. elljam
  • Score: 23

7:20am Wed 14 May 14

Conelli98 says...

Money on Malkay and guick chaps!!
Money on Malkay and guick chaps!! Conelli98
  • Score: 5

7:28am Wed 14 May 14

Mark Dixon says...

Not surprised Lopez and Rodriquez are more than likely to go but Orlandi is a surprise, l think considering he has been out injured he would of been worth another season at least.

Other players who's place is not safe or possibly sold are:

BRUNO
CALDERON
ULLOA
INCE
BREZOVAN
HOSKINS
AGUSTIEN
ANKERGREN
UPSON
Not surprised Lopez and Rodriquez are more than likely to go but Orlandi is a surprise, l think considering he has been out injured he would of been worth another season at least. Other players who's place is not safe or possibly sold are: BRUNO CALDERON ULLOA INCE BREZOVAN HOSKINS AGUSTIEN ANKERGREN UPSON Mark Dixon
  • Score: -24

7:40am Wed 14 May 14

The lev says...

players worth keeping , TK, upson, ward, ince, Ulloa, cms, March, Lua Lua

That's 8 players , I would ship the rest out
players worth keeping , TK, upson, ward, ince, Ulloa, cms, March, Lua Lua That's 8 players , I would ship the rest out The lev
  • Score: 0

7:45am Wed 14 May 14

SMF20 says...

The lev wrote:
players worth keeping , TK, upson, ward, ince, Ulloa, cms, March, Lua Lua

That's 8 players , I would ship the rest out
You wouldn't want to keep Crofts or Stephens?
[quote][p][bold]The lev[/bold] wrote: players worth keeping , TK, upson, ward, ince, Ulloa, cms, March, Lua Lua That's 8 players , I would ship the rest out[/p][/quote]You wouldn't want to keep Crofts or Stephens? SMF20
  • Score: 13

7:45am Wed 14 May 14

SMF20 says...

Or buckley
Or buckley SMF20
  • Score: 0

7:51am Wed 14 May 14

brightonup says...

I really wonder what perverted, orgasmic pleasure a troll like Wholly Bile ges from being despised so much. Is it a medical or psychiatric condition?
I really wonder what perverted, orgasmic pleasure a troll like Wholly Bile ges from being despised so much. Is it a medical or psychiatric condition? brightonup
  • Score: 7

7:53am Wed 14 May 14

Grendel says...

elljam wrote:
Disappointed with the Orlandi news. You will not get many players with his touch in the Championship. With a little bit of urgency added to his game by a new manager & an injury free run you'll probably have a Premier League player on your books.
I'm not quite sure why Burke & Jones are making a decision on certain players when, hopefully a new manager is in place well before June 30 which is when the contracts run out. Surely any prospective manager will have seen enough of us, either live or on dvd to make his own mind up on certain players.
The retained and released list has to be submitted to the league by Saturday. See my earlier comment. That is why Jones and Burke must work on it now.
[quote][p][bold]elljam[/bold] wrote: Disappointed with the Orlandi news. You will not get many players with his touch in the Championship. With a little bit of urgency added to his game by a new manager & an injury free run you'll probably have a Premier League player on your books. I'm not quite sure why Burke & Jones are making a decision on certain players when, hopefully a new manager is in place well before June 30 which is when the contracts run out. Surely any prospective manager will have seen enough of us, either live or on dvd to make his own mind up on certain players.[/p][/quote]The retained and released list has to be submitted to the league by Saturday. See my earlier comment. That is why Jones and Burke must work on it now. Grendel
  • Score: 5

7:58am Wed 14 May 14

john newman says...

The manager is the key appointment!! Someone more positive used to working with a limited budget!! and experience of championship success.
The manager is the key appointment!! Someone more positive used to working with a limited budget!! and experience of championship success. john newman
  • Score: 0

7:58am Wed 14 May 14

JeffLomer says...

See Joe cole been let go on a free transfer, might be worth a punt on the lad 32, must have couple off years left in him!!
Up the Albion!!!!
See Joe cole been let go on a free transfer, might be worth a punt on the lad 32, must have couple off years left in him!! Up the Albion!!!! JeffLomer
  • Score: 0

7:58am Wed 14 May 14

The lev says...

SMF20 wrote:
Or buckley
Buckley not worth the un reliability , he's a luxury player and in the championship you need week in week out performers .
[quote][p][bold]SMF20[/bold] wrote: Or buckley[/p][/quote]Buckley not worth the un reliability , he's a luxury player and in the championship you need week in week out performers . The lev
  • Score: 7

8:01am Wed 14 May 14

The lev says...

SMF20 wrote:
The lev wrote:
players worth keeping , TK, upson, ward, ince, Ulloa, cms, March, Lua Lua

That's 8 players , I would ship the rest out
You wouldn't want to keep Crofts or Stephens?
Crofts no he was having a few good games before he got injured but he was poor in most matches before that . Stevens maybe but that is the one position we need to spend a large part of the money on so net net I would let him go
[quote][p][bold]SMF20[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The lev[/bold] wrote: players worth keeping , TK, upson, ward, ince, Ulloa, cms, March, Lua Lua That's 8 players , I would ship the rest out[/p][/quote]You wouldn't want to keep Crofts or Stephens?[/p][/quote]Crofts no he was having a few good games before he got injured but he was poor in most matches before that . Stevens maybe but that is the one position we need to spend a large part of the money on so net net I would let him go The lev
  • Score: -17

8:14am Wed 14 May 14

mark by the sea says...

The lev wrote:
SMF20 wrote:
Or buckley
Buckley not worth the un reliability , he's a luxury player and in the championship you need week in week out performers .
I said when there was interest for Buckley we should have grabbed the cash,
Guy can't run anymore at full speed in fear his hamstrings go!
Free loader , bible man, upson was outstanding last two years for the club, as you say he is not up to premier football or someone would have paid him more than us, same as Reading walked over our wage structure and took Bridge.
The retained list has clearly been leaked , or certain players been told.
I assume if club can tell some players now, then upson and TK have been offered new deals?
This list was clearly drawn up weeks ago, with another if we made the premier league! I can't see this is good for the new shirt release or season ticket sales.. Club need to get the act in place , absolute shambles, if Orlandi has been told then others will no doubt be at jones desk first thing this morning.
On the matter of jones, please let's not keep him!
Let a new man bring in his team of staff and a team of players.
[quote][p][bold]The lev[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SMF20[/bold] wrote: Or buckley[/p][/quote]Buckley not worth the un reliability , he's a luxury player and in the championship you need week in week out performers .[/p][/quote]I said when there was interest for Buckley we should have grabbed the cash, Guy can't run anymore at full speed in fear his hamstrings go! Free loader , bible man, upson was outstanding last two years for the club, as you say he is not up to premier football or someone would have paid him more than us, same as Reading walked over our wage structure and took Bridge. The retained list has clearly been leaked , or certain players been told. I assume if club can tell some players now, then upson and TK have been offered new deals? This list was clearly drawn up weeks ago, with another if we made the premier league! I can't see this is good for the new shirt release or season ticket sales.. Club need to get the act in place , absolute shambles, if Orlandi has been told then others will no doubt be at jones desk first thing this morning. On the matter of jones, please let's not keep him! Let a new man bring in his team of staff and a team of players. mark by the sea
  • Score: 5

8:20am Wed 14 May 14

The lev says...

Derby should be our model , good solid manager who knows British football , hard working solid quick players with a few of the development squad , no faded old stars who's legs have gone .
Derby should be our model , good solid manager who knows British football , hard working solid quick players with a few of the development squad , no faded old stars who's legs have gone . The lev
  • Score: 14

8:24am Wed 14 May 14

mark by the sea says...

Holy Bible wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
The lev wrote:
SMF20 wrote:
Or buckley
Buckley not worth the un reliability , he's a luxury player and in the championship you need week in week out performers .
I said when there was interest for Buckley we should have grabbed the cash,
Guy can't run anymore at full speed in fear his hamstrings go!
Free loader , bible man, upson was outstanding last two years for the club, as you say he is not up to premier football or someone would have paid him more than us, same as Reading walked over our wage structure and took Bridge.
The retained list has clearly been leaked , or certain players been told.
I assume if club can tell some players now, then upson and TK have been offered new deals?
This list was clearly drawn up weeks ago, with another if we made the premier league! I can't see this is good for the new shirt release or season ticket sales.. Club need to get the act in place , absolute shambles, if Orlandi has been told then others will no doubt be at jones desk first thing this morning.
On the matter of jones, please let's not keep him!
Let a new man bring in his team of staff and a team of players.
Thanks MBTS great yet again.Now plz take over and help the brain dead my friend.
Someone keeps saying be careful what you wish for,
Arnie said on another thread Calderon has three years left in him? Lol
As for losing upson and GG , I think it showed what quality at there age they are, Dunk is extremely lucky to be at the club, and he is now 22-23 years of age?
Joe cole is a quality player, who will perform at championship level with ease.
But will not be available for months while this club read a list of incredible talented coaches who will be called manager! But won't have total control over players.
WHAT A MASSIVE SEASON IS ABOUT TO UNFOLD , THERE CANNOT BE ANYMORE JANUARY FALLOUTS.
[quote][p][bold]Holy Bible[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The lev[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SMF20[/bold] wrote: Or buckley[/p][/quote]Buckley not worth the un reliability , he's a luxury player and in the championship you need week in week out performers .[/p][/quote]I said when there was interest for Buckley we should have grabbed the cash, Guy can't run anymore at full speed in fear his hamstrings go! Free loader , bible man, upson was outstanding last two years for the club, as you say he is not up to premier football or someone would have paid him more than us, same as Reading walked over our wage structure and took Bridge. The retained list has clearly been leaked , or certain players been told. I assume if club can tell some players now, then upson and TK have been offered new deals? This list was clearly drawn up weeks ago, with another if we made the premier league! I can't see this is good for the new shirt release or season ticket sales.. Club need to get the act in place , absolute shambles, if Orlandi has been told then others will no doubt be at jones desk first thing this morning. On the matter of jones, please let's not keep him! Let a new man bring in his team of staff and a team of players.[/p][/quote]Thanks MBTS great yet again.Now plz take over and help the brain dead my friend.[/p][/quote]Someone keeps saying be careful what you wish for, Arnie said on another thread Calderon has three years left in him? Lol As for losing upson and GG , I think it showed what quality at there age they are, Dunk is extremely lucky to be at the club, and he is now 22-23 years of age? Joe cole is a quality player, who will perform at championship level with ease. But will not be available for months while this club read a list of incredible talented coaches who will be called manager! But won't have total control over players. WHAT A MASSIVE SEASON IS ABOUT TO UNFOLD , THERE CANNOT BE ANYMORE JANUARY FALLOUTS. mark by the sea
  • Score: 3

8:35am Wed 14 May 14

JeffLomer says...

Holy Bible wrote:
JeffLomer wrote:
See Joe cole been let go on a free transfer, might be worth a punt on the lad 32, must have couple off years left in him!!
Up the Albion!!!!
Thats right let go lol haha.Because top clubs know his not upto it lol. Just like Upson & Dunk.If Palace,Hull,Swansea,

LCFC,WBA,STOKE,Sunde

rland,Villa,and many more really thought they could do a job they would sign them sad man lol.
Why don't you crawl back down the sewer were you obviously crawl out from every day, people like you make our forum a joke, about time the Argus got rid off vermin like you Roland Rat!!
Up the Albion!!!!
[quote][p][bold]Holy Bible[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JeffLomer[/bold] wrote: See Joe cole been let go on a free transfer, might be worth a punt on the lad 32, must have couple off years left in him!! Up the Albion!!!![/p][/quote]Thats right let go lol haha.Because top clubs know his not upto it lol. Just like Upson & Dunk.If Palace,Hull,Swansea, LCFC,WBA,STOKE,Sunde rland,Villa,and many more really thought they could do a job they would sign them sad man lol.[/p][/quote]Why don't you crawl back down the sewer were you obviously crawl out from every day, people like you make our forum a joke, about time the Argus got rid off vermin like you Roland Rat!! Up the Albion!!!! JeffLomer
  • Score: 2

8:54am Wed 14 May 14

albionfan33 says...

Singing Seagull, Indonesia wrote:
Picking out the only piece of new news from this, i.e The likely departure of Orlandi, this is a shame, as he is one of those that have not quite been at their previous level for much of this season. But some good names are inevitably going to go. I do echo the thoughts of some others though, that to be released by two people who may ultimately be released themselves once a new manager is installed, is not only somewhat insulting, but maybe a little premature as we do not yet know the style of football that the new manager will be looking to run with. It's difficult to see the logic of releasing or indeed committing to retain players at this stage.

Just my opinion, but would like to see a considered and sensible appointment made as soon as it is practical to do so. And maybe, just maybe, it could happen in time for the new gaffer to have as much say as possible in who he has in his squad.

UTA!!
even if released there is no reason why a new manager couldnt re sign anyone he wants. But as you have said he had a poor season and is pushing 30 probably a good time to let him go in my opinion
[quote][p][bold]Singing Seagull, Indonesia[/bold] wrote: Picking out the only piece of new news from this, i.e The likely departure of Orlandi, this is a shame, as he is one of those that have not quite been at their previous level for much of this season. But some good names are inevitably going to go. I do echo the thoughts of some others though, that to be released by two people who may ultimately be released themselves once a new manager is installed, is not only somewhat insulting, but maybe a little premature as we do not yet know the style of football that the new manager will be looking to run with. It's difficult to see the logic of releasing or indeed committing to retain players at this stage. Just my opinion, but would like to see a considered and sensible appointment made as soon as it is practical to do so. And maybe, just maybe, it could happen in time for the new gaffer to have as much say as possible in who he has in his squad. UTA!![/p][/quote]even if released there is no reason why a new manager couldnt re sign anyone he wants. But as you have said he had a poor season and is pushing 30 probably a good time to let him go in my opinion albionfan33
  • Score: -1

9:04am Wed 14 May 14

JollyRoger says...

I would have thought Orlandi is one of those we would want to retain????? There are several others I would let go before I got around to putting his name on the list!
I would have thought Orlandi is one of those we would want to retain????? There are several others I would let go before I got around to putting his name on the list! JollyRoger
  • Score: 10

9:04am Wed 14 May 14

mark by the sea says...

albionfan33 wrote:
Singing Seagull, Indonesia wrote:
Picking out the only piece of new news from this, i.e The likely departure of Orlandi, this is a shame, as he is one of those that have not quite been at their previous level for much of this season. But some good names are inevitably going to go. I do echo the thoughts of some others though, that to be released by two people who may ultimately be released themselves once a new manager is installed, is not only somewhat insulting, but maybe a little premature as we do not yet know the style of football that the new manager will be looking to run with. It's difficult to see the logic of releasing or indeed committing to retain players at this stage.

Just my opinion, but would like to see a considered and sensible appointment made as soon as it is practical to do so. And maybe, just maybe, it could happen in time for the new gaffer to have as much say as possible in who he has in his squad.

UTA!!
even if released there is no reason why a new manager couldnt re sign anyone he wants. But as you have said he had a poor season and is pushing 30 probably a good time to let him go in my opinion
Let's be honest that would never happen, ulloa to Leicester is looking likely at 7 million .. TK to hull ?
[quote][p][bold]albionfan33[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Singing Seagull, Indonesia[/bold] wrote: Picking out the only piece of new news from this, i.e The likely departure of Orlandi, this is a shame, as he is one of those that have not quite been at their previous level for much of this season. But some good names are inevitably going to go. I do echo the thoughts of some others though, that to be released by two people who may ultimately be released themselves once a new manager is installed, is not only somewhat insulting, but maybe a little premature as we do not yet know the style of football that the new manager will be looking to run with. It's difficult to see the logic of releasing or indeed committing to retain players at this stage. Just my opinion, but would like to see a considered and sensible appointment made as soon as it is practical to do so. And maybe, just maybe, it could happen in time for the new gaffer to have as much say as possible in who he has in his squad. UTA!![/p][/quote]even if released there is no reason why a new manager couldnt re sign anyone he wants. But as you have said he had a poor season and is pushing 30 probably a good time to let him go in my opinion[/p][/quote]Let's be honest that would never happen, ulloa to Leicester is looking likely at 7 million .. TK to hull ? mark by the sea
  • Score: 0

9:11am Wed 14 May 14

Max Ripple says...

brightonup wrote:
I really wonder what perverted, orgasmic pleasure a troll like Wholly Bile ges from being despised so much. Is it a medical or psychiatric condition?
Yes. Hopefully this Holy Bile will shut up and go away as he has nothing positive to add to this site. Is he just Freeloader in disguise? Sounds a bit like him with overuse of the word "vile". Haven't seen Freeloader on here today either.
I think it is a mistake to get rid of Orlandi. He is a class player with an excellent footballing mind. True, he has been carrying injuries this season but that goes for quite a few others as well. I know all players still cost money when they are on the bench. CMS and Hoskins are two prime examples but at least CMS has come back showing some determination. I'm not sure about Hoskins though. Fragile and suspect IMHO.
This looks like a bit of a Spanish clear out already. We have loved a lot of what our Spanish friends have given the club over the last few years.
Be careful Mr Barber.
[quote][p][bold]brightonup[/bold] wrote: I really wonder what perverted, orgasmic pleasure a troll like Wholly Bile ges from being despised so much. Is it a medical or psychiatric condition?[/p][/quote]Yes. Hopefully this Holy Bile will shut up and go away as he has nothing positive to add to this site. Is he just Freeloader in disguise? Sounds a bit like him with overuse of the word "vile". Haven't seen Freeloader on here today either. I think it is a mistake to get rid of Orlandi. He is a class player with an excellent footballing mind. True, he has been carrying injuries this season but that goes for quite a few others as well. I know all players still cost money when they are on the bench. CMS and Hoskins are two prime examples but at least CMS has come back showing some determination. I'm not sure about Hoskins though. Fragile and suspect IMHO. This looks like a bit of a Spanish clear out already. We have loved a lot of what our Spanish friends have given the club over the last few years. Be careful Mr Barber. Max Ripple
  • Score: 1

9:30am Wed 14 May 14

lenward says...

We have been told they as been a lot of interest for the vacant managers job. This makes me think will these people still be interested when they find out what the role actually is. Will the club be honest enough to tell them before that person signs, lets all hope so.
We have been told they as been a lot of interest for the vacant managers job. This makes me think will these people still be interested when they find out what the role actually is. Will the club be honest enough to tell them before that person signs, lets all hope so. lenward
  • Score: 2

9:33am Wed 14 May 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

Mark, you keep mentioning me in stories to which I have not contributed at all. Are you quite well? This obsession with me was how Freeloaders started before he became fully certifiable.

I said Calde has 2-3 years left in him because he is only 32. That's 3 years younger than Upson. Calde is not injury prone so there is no reason why we can't get another couple of seasons out of him at least. I know you think all players over 30 should be shot, but stop being obsessed with players' ages.

lol etc... (sigh)
Mark, you keep mentioning me in stories to which I have not contributed at all. Are you quite well? This obsession with me was how Freeloaders started before he became fully certifiable. I said Calde has 2-3 years left in him because he is only 32. That's 3 years younger than Upson. Calde is not injury prone so there is no reason why we can't get another couple of seasons out of him at least. I know you think all players over 30 should be shot, but stop being obsessed with players' ages. lol etc... (sigh) Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 8

9:46am Wed 14 May 14

Alfie T says...

To all true Albion fans, especially you Arnie. PLEASE,PLEASE,PLEASE
, ignore it, if I comment and it responds with its usual tripe I ignore it, please do the same and I'm sure it will get bored and go away :-)
To all true Albion fans, especially you Arnie. PLEASE,PLEASE,PLEASE , ignore it, if I comment and it responds with its usual tripe I ignore it, please do the same and I'm sure it will get bored and go away :-) Alfie T
  • Score: 0

9:46am Wed 14 May 14

Claude Back says...

Conelli98 wrote:
Money on Malkay and guick chaps!!
Ah, but they say it's a short list. Malky is too tall.
Zola might be a better bet. ;-)
[quote][p][bold]Conelli98[/bold] wrote: Money on Malkay and guick chaps!![/p][/quote]Ah, but they say it's a short list. Malky is too tall. Zola might be a better bet. ;-) Claude Back
  • Score: 9

9:51am Wed 14 May 14

Peteinblack says...

With several players about to be released, Ulloaalmost certain to be sold to a Premiership club, and limited funds for buying new quality players, I fear that we will have a weaker squad next season, and will languish in mid-table mediocrity.

Even if we do sign a few decent players, it will probably be a 'transition' season while the squad is rebuilt and new players gel, so I can't see even a play-of spot being a realistic target next year.

Having supported the Albion since the 1970s, I'm starting to get a bit 'meh' about them, and that itself makes me sad.
With several players about to be released, Ulloaalmost certain to be sold to a Premiership club, and limited funds for buying new quality players, I fear that we will have a weaker squad next season, and will languish in mid-table mediocrity. Even if we do sign a few decent players, it will probably be a 'transition' season while the squad is rebuilt and new players gel, so I can't see even a play-of spot being a realistic target next year. Having supported the Albion since the 1970s, I'm starting to get a bit 'meh' about them, and that itself makes me sad. Peteinblack
  • Score: 0

9:52am Wed 14 May 14

Claude Back says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
Mark, you keep mentioning me in stories to which I have not contributed at all. Are you quite well? This obsession with me was how Freeloaders started before he became fully certifiable.

I said Calde has 2-3 years left in him because he is only 32. That's 3 years younger than Upson. Calde is not injury prone so there is no reason why we can't get another couple of seasons out of him at least. I know you think all players over 30 should be shot, but stop being obsessed with players' ages.

lol etc... (sigh)
That did make me chuckle.... a lot.
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: Mark, you keep mentioning me in stories to which I have not contributed at all. Are you quite well? This obsession with me was how Freeloaders started before he became fully certifiable. I said Calde has 2-3 years left in him because he is only 32. That's 3 years younger than Upson. Calde is not injury prone so there is no reason why we can't get another couple of seasons out of him at least. I know you think all players over 30 should be shot, but stop being obsessed with players' ages. lol etc... (sigh)[/p][/quote]That did make me chuckle.... a lot. Claude Back
  • Score: 2

9:52am Wed 14 May 14

B-hove says...

While we all must be grateful for TB’s financial investment in our club, the approach to the management of inexperienced mangers is questionable. In what other business would the company chairman appoint an inexperienced manger and then swan off to Australia for the winter? TB has done this with two mangers now – both of whom were new to this most high pressured of roles in English football. I hope it doesn't happen a third time.

And next season, would it be possible to buy a matchday programme that doesn’t contain a picture of Barber grinning at me from an Amex stadium stand that he has just emptied? It would also be good not to have his two pages of motherhood and apple pie PR puff – but perhaps that’s a step too far.

That said, the journey over the last decade is still and enjoyable one and I’ll be cheering the Albion next season, just like the last 50-odd years, whoever is the manager.
While we all must be grateful for TB’s financial investment in our club, the approach to the management of inexperienced mangers is questionable. In what other business would the company chairman appoint an inexperienced manger and then swan off to Australia for the winter? TB has done this with two mangers now – both of whom were new to this most high pressured of roles in English football. I hope it doesn't happen a third time. And next season, would it be possible to buy a matchday programme that doesn’t contain a picture of Barber grinning at me from an Amex stadium stand that he has just emptied? It would also be good not to have his two pages of motherhood and apple pie PR puff – but perhaps that’s a step too far. That said, the journey over the last decade is still and enjoyable one and I’ll be cheering the Albion next season, just like the last 50-odd years, whoever is the manager. B-hove
  • Score: -1

10:00am Wed 14 May 14

dave from bexill says...

Alfie T wrote:
To all true Albion fans, especially you Arnie. PLEASE,PLEASE,PLEASE

, ignore it, if I comment and it responds with its usual tripe I ignore it, please do the same and I'm sure it will get bored and go away :-)
Who do you mean Alfie?
[quote][p][bold]Alfie T[/bold] wrote: To all true Albion fans, especially you Arnie. PLEASE,PLEASE,PLEASE , ignore it, if I comment and it responds with its usual tripe I ignore it, please do the same and I'm sure it will get bored and go away :-)[/p][/quote]Who do you mean Alfie? dave from bexill
  • Score: -1

10:01am Wed 14 May 14

4everaseagull says...

Having witnessed being steam rollered by Derby on Sunday our next appointment in my view needs to be British. Derby played with pace, power, aggression and desire. Apart from Roberto DI Matteo can anyone find an overseas manager/coach who has taken a team up from the Championship in the last 10 years?
Having witnessed being steam rollered by Derby on Sunday our next appointment in my view needs to be British. Derby played with pace, power, aggression and desire. Apart from Roberto DI Matteo can anyone find an overseas manager/coach who has taken a team up from the Championship in the last 10 years? 4everaseagull
  • Score: 7

10:09am Wed 14 May 14

AGT999 says...

The best way to respond to the idiots on here is to totally ignore them. They are not contributing to honest debate, they are just set on winding genuine fans up. IGNORE THEM
The best way to respond to the idiots on here is to totally ignore them. They are not contributing to honest debate, they are just set on winding genuine fans up. IGNORE THEM AGT999
  • Score: 1

10:19am Wed 14 May 14

New_boy_Dave says...

As Grendel wrote earlier today:

As the deadline for submitting the retained list is SATURDAY 17 MAY, we don't actually have time to wait for the appointment of a new manager!!
As Grendel wrote earlier today: As the deadline for submitting the retained list is SATURDAY 17 MAY, we don't actually have time to wait for the appointment of a new manager!! New_boy_Dave
  • Score: 4

10:40am Wed 14 May 14

Asleep in Dorset says...

let's get rid of the tippy tappy backward passing football, wipe the slate clean and start again from scratch. Appreciate the progress made in the last 3/4 years, but appear to be treading water with current squad.
let's get rid of the tippy tappy backward passing football, wipe the slate clean and start again from scratch. Appreciate the progress made in the last 3/4 years, but appear to be treading water with current squad. Asleep in Dorset
  • Score: 4

10:43am Wed 14 May 14

Claude Back says...

dave from bexill wrote:
Alfie T wrote:
To all true Albion fans, especially you Arnie. PLEASE,PLEASE,PLEASE


, ignore it, if I comment and it responds with its usual tripe I ignore it, please do the same and I'm sure it will get bored and go away :-)
Who do you mean Alfie?
Cannot believe you got some 'thumbs down' for that joke, Dave..
[quote][p][bold]dave from bexill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alfie T[/bold] wrote: To all true Albion fans, especially you Arnie. PLEASE,PLEASE,PLEASE , ignore it, if I comment and it responds with its usual tripe I ignore it, please do the same and I'm sure it will get bored and go away :-)[/p][/quote]Who do you mean Alfie?[/p][/quote]Cannot believe you got some 'thumbs down' for that joke, Dave.. Claude Back
  • Score: 1

10:44am Wed 14 May 14

Joel'sGrandad says...

What about Gus Poyet. Hear he's making noises about leaving Sunderland.
Don't think Tim Sherwood would suit us because he opens his mouth too much and too opinionated. Steve Clark would be my choice although I fully expect the unexpected. UTA
What about Gus Poyet. Hear he's making noises about leaving Sunderland. Don't think Tim Sherwood would suit us because he opens his mouth too much and too opinionated. Steve Clark would be my choice although I fully expect the unexpected. UTA Joel'sGrandad
  • Score: -1

10:51am Wed 14 May 14

East of CrawleyDown says...

I have a nasty feeling Billy Davies is on that list. It all depends what is meant by 'very high calibre'. It might be worth giving Nathan Jones a crack if all else fails. He does know the club and players after all.
I have a nasty feeling Billy Davies is on that list. It all depends what is meant by 'very high calibre'. It might be worth giving Nathan Jones a crack if all else fails. He does know the club and players after all. East of CrawleyDown
  • Score: -21

10:52am Wed 14 May 14

daveyboy35 says...

The most important thing out of all of this is to get a manager in ASAP then give him carte Blanche to sort this mess out!!!! We can't afford for nothing to happen for another month and that clown Burke to leave us even deeper in the ****!!!
The most important thing out of all of this is to get a manager in ASAP then give him carte Blanche to sort this mess out!!!! We can't afford for nothing to happen for another month and that clown Burke to leave us even deeper in the ****!!! daveyboy35
  • Score: 2

11:09am Wed 14 May 14

wiseman of hove says...

4everaseagull wrote:
Having witnessed being steam rollered by Derby on Sunday our next appointment in my view needs to be British. Derby played with pace, power, aggression and desire. Apart from Roberto DI Matteo can anyone find an overseas manager/coach who has taken a team up from the Championship in the last 10 years?
No, they are very thin on the ground. There is a conventional wisdom that you need an Alladyce or a Bruce to get you up from this division and then a foreign coach be appointed. for the Premiership!
Nothing has changed for me in the last 24 hours. Bring on Sherwood before somebody else beats us to it
[quote][p][bold]4everaseagull[/bold] wrote: Having witnessed being steam rollered by Derby on Sunday our next appointment in my view needs to be British. Derby played with pace, power, aggression and desire. Apart from Roberto DI Matteo can anyone find an overseas manager/coach who has taken a team up from the Championship in the last 10 years?[/p][/quote]No, they are very thin on the ground. There is a conventional wisdom that you need an Alladyce or a Bruce to get you up from this division and then a foreign coach be appointed. for the Premiership! Nothing has changed for me in the last 24 hours. Bring on Sherwood before somebody else beats us to it wiseman of hove
  • Score: -3

11:16am Wed 14 May 14

mark by the sea says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
Mark, you keep mentioning me in stories to which I have not contributed at all. Are you quite well? This obsession with me was how Freeloaders started before he became fully certifiable.

I said Calde has 2-3 years left in him because he is only 32. That's 3 years younger than Upson. Calde is not injury prone so there is no reason why we can't get another couple of seasons out of him at least. I know you think all players over 30 should be shot, but stop being obsessed with players' ages.

lol etc... (sigh)
Arnie, you keep coming on here protecting players , lcalderon has lost his pace, his legs have gone, torn apart against Derby .. And to be honest most wingers have got the better of him, saying he has three years left in him? Are you basing that on age?
I am basing my comment regarding Calderon on seeing him actually playing,
You may watch games streamed , but what the camera does not show is players losing men out of shot when they make runs, sadly Calderon is not going to last 6 months at championship level... Some will say I am wrong, but I am talking about Calderon the player , not the man who I have massive admiration for.
With regards to your son ( joke) he is now of the age he should be playing at the top of his game, sadly not up to it, he will be reserve again, even if mu and GG leave.
I would expect the release names out tonight. Hopefully good news should coming regarding upson and TK .
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: Mark, you keep mentioning me in stories to which I have not contributed at all. Are you quite well? This obsession with me was how Freeloaders started before he became fully certifiable. I said Calde has 2-3 years left in him because he is only 32. That's 3 years younger than Upson. Calde is not injury prone so there is no reason why we can't get another couple of seasons out of him at least. I know you think all players over 30 should be shot, but stop being obsessed with players' ages. lol etc... (sigh)[/p][/quote]Arnie, you keep coming on here protecting players , lcalderon has lost his pace, his legs have gone, torn apart against Derby .. And to be honest most wingers have got the better of him, saying he has three years left in him? Are you basing that on age? I am basing my comment regarding Calderon on seeing him actually playing, You may watch games streamed , but what the camera does not show is players losing men out of shot when they make runs, sadly Calderon is not going to last 6 months at championship level... Some will say I am wrong, but I am talking about Calderon the player , not the man who I have massive admiration for. With regards to your son ( joke) he is now of the age he should be playing at the top of his game, sadly not up to it, he will be reserve again, even if mu and GG leave. I would expect the release names out tonight. Hopefully good news should coming regarding upson and TK . mark by the sea
  • Score: 2

11:19am Wed 14 May 14

Captain Haddock says...

Right, here are my thoughts on the situation.

First of all I'm disappointed to see Oscar go as I don't think we saw his full potential. He may not have improved on the aspects of his management for which people have criticised him on here and elsewhere, but I also think that it now appears his hands were tied to some degree. Perhaps the way he managed the team related directly to the confines he was placed under regarding personnel and a willingness to spend on it. In other words, perhaps he felt the players we had weren't often fit enough (injury wise) or perhaps not good enough to play in the way that Derby did. Derby are definitely the direct comparison for us as I believe that is the way Oscar would've liked to have played with better resources.

Then again, perhaps not. Perhaps he is too negative a manager and overcautious. Perhaps we will see in time when is next appointed.

As for future possible candidates for the role at the Albion, Tim Sherwood has been mentioned. I'm in two minds about him. Speaking to Spurs fans up here n London, they are not in the least bit impressed. It's not just his ability to do a job of that standing, it's his overall lack of man management skills, tactical nouse and flexibility. I don't have a clear idea myself but the feedback I have received doesn't fill me with too much encouragement.

Other key candidates mentioned include Malky Mackay, who I would love to see join). The question there, as with any candidate really, is would he be prepared to work within the perceived strict confines of our budget? There are other feasible candidates like Gianfranco Zola and Steve Clarke.

I have it on good authority that Malky has applied for the job, along with Chris Hughton and Lee Clark. I would not be keen on the latter even though I believe he is an honourable man and cares about his job passionately.

A quick list off the top of my head of candidates that I think would either be interested, the club will be interested or who may - rightly or wrongly - be linked otherwise include:


Paul Clement
Glenn Hoddle
Rennie Muelensteen
Steve Clarke
Lee Clark
Roberto di Matteo
Gianfranco Zola
Chris Hughton
Malky Mackay
Russ Wilcox
Mark Warburton
Tim Sherwood
Luis Enrique
Eddie Howe
Ian Holloway
Pepe Mel
Dave Jones
Alan Curbishley
Right, here are my thoughts on the situation. First of all I'm disappointed to see Oscar go as I don't think we saw his full potential. He may not have improved on the aspects of his management for which people have criticised him on here and elsewhere, but I also think that it now appears his hands were tied to some degree. Perhaps the way he managed the team related directly to the confines he was placed under regarding personnel and a willingness to spend on it. In other words, perhaps he felt the players we had weren't often fit enough (injury wise) or perhaps not good enough to play in the way that Derby did. Derby are definitely the direct comparison for us as I believe that is the way Oscar would've liked to have played with better resources. Then again, perhaps not. Perhaps he is too negative a manager and overcautious. Perhaps we will see in time when is next appointed. As for future possible candidates for the role at the Albion, Tim Sherwood has been mentioned. I'm in two minds about him. Speaking to Spurs fans up here n London, they are not in the least bit impressed. It's not just his ability to do a job of that standing, it's his overall lack of man management skills, tactical nouse and flexibility. I don't have a clear idea myself but the feedback I have received doesn't fill me with too much encouragement. Other key candidates mentioned include Malky Mackay, who I would love to see join). The question there, as with any candidate really, is would he be prepared to work within the perceived strict confines of our budget? There are other feasible candidates like Gianfranco Zola and Steve Clarke. I have it on good authority that Malky has applied for the job, along with Chris Hughton and Lee Clark. I would not be keen on the latter even though I believe he is an honourable man and cares about his job passionately. A quick list off the top of my head of candidates that I think would either be interested, the club will be interested or who may - rightly or wrongly - be linked otherwise include: Paul Clement Glenn Hoddle Rennie Muelensteen Steve Clarke Lee Clark Roberto di Matteo Gianfranco Zola Chris Hughton Malky Mackay Russ Wilcox Mark Warburton Tim Sherwood Luis Enrique Eddie Howe Ian Holloway Pepe Mel Dave Jones Alan Curbishley Captain Haddock
  • Score: 3

11:23am Wed 14 May 14

AburridoEnTrabajo says...

Would like us to keep the passing game, except this time please let the manager bring in reliable players who can play the passing game. If that means we get rid of the injury prone players then so be it. We won't get anywhere if we keep having to change the line-up due to injuries, regardless of who's managing.
Would like us to keep the passing game, except this time please let the manager bring in reliable players who can play the passing game. If that means we get rid of the injury prone players then so be it. We won't get anywhere if we keep having to change the line-up due to injuries, regardless of who's managing. AburridoEnTrabajo
  • Score: 5

11:25am Wed 14 May 14

mark by the sea says...

Captain Haddock wrote:
Right, here are my thoughts on the situation.

First of all I'm disappointed to see Oscar go as I don't think we saw his full potential. He may not have improved on the aspects of his management for which people have criticised him on here and elsewhere, but I also think that it now appears his hands were tied to some degree. Perhaps the way he managed the team related directly to the confines he was placed under regarding personnel and a willingness to spend on it. In other words, perhaps he felt the players we had weren't often fit enough (injury wise) or perhaps not good enough to play in the way that Derby did. Derby are definitely the direct comparison for us as I believe that is the way Oscar would've liked to have played with better resources.

Then again, perhaps not. Perhaps he is too negative a manager and overcautious. Perhaps we will see in time when is next appointed.

As for future possible candidates for the role at the Albion, Tim Sherwood has been mentioned. I'm in two minds about him. Speaking to Spurs fans up here n London, they are not in the least bit impressed. It's not just his ability to do a job of that standing, it's his overall lack of man management skills, tactical nouse and flexibility. I don't have a clear idea myself but the feedback I have received doesn't fill me with too much encouragement.

Other key candidates mentioned include Malky Mackay, who I would love to see join). The question there, as with any candidate really, is would he be prepared to work within the perceived strict confines of our budget? There are other feasible candidates like Gianfranco Zola and Steve Clarke.

I have it on good authority that Malky has applied for the job, along with Chris Hughton and Lee Clark. I would not be keen on the latter even though I believe he is an honourable man and cares about his job passionately.

A quick list off the top of my head of candidates that I think would either be interested, the club will be interested or who may - rightly or wrongly - be linked otherwise include:


Paul Clement
Glenn Hoddle
Rennie Muelensteen
Steve Clarke
Lee Clark
Roberto di Matteo
Gianfranco Zola
Chris Hughton
Malky Mackay
Russ Wilcox
Mark Warburton
Tim Sherwood
Luis Enrique
Eddie Howe
Ian Holloway
Pepe Mel
Dave Jones
Alan Curbishley
I have to say holloway would be good entertainment ! Would he last a month with jones and Burke ? What a reality tv show that would make!
[quote][p][bold]Captain Haddock[/bold] wrote: Right, here are my thoughts on the situation. First of all I'm disappointed to see Oscar go as I don't think we saw his full potential. He may not have improved on the aspects of his management for which people have criticised him on here and elsewhere, but I also think that it now appears his hands were tied to some degree. Perhaps the way he managed the team related directly to the confines he was placed under regarding personnel and a willingness to spend on it. In other words, perhaps he felt the players we had weren't often fit enough (injury wise) or perhaps not good enough to play in the way that Derby did. Derby are definitely the direct comparison for us as I believe that is the way Oscar would've liked to have played with better resources. Then again, perhaps not. Perhaps he is too negative a manager and overcautious. Perhaps we will see in time when is next appointed. As for future possible candidates for the role at the Albion, Tim Sherwood has been mentioned. I'm in two minds about him. Speaking to Spurs fans up here n London, they are not in the least bit impressed. It's not just his ability to do a job of that standing, it's his overall lack of man management skills, tactical nouse and flexibility. I don't have a clear idea myself but the feedback I have received doesn't fill me with too much encouragement. Other key candidates mentioned include Malky Mackay, who I would love to see join). The question there, as with any candidate really, is would he be prepared to work within the perceived strict confines of our budget? There are other feasible candidates like Gianfranco Zola and Steve Clarke. I have it on good authority that Malky has applied for the job, along with Chris Hughton and Lee Clark. I would not be keen on the latter even though I believe he is an honourable man and cares about his job passionately. A quick list off the top of my head of candidates that I think would either be interested, the club will be interested or who may - rightly or wrongly - be linked otherwise include: Paul Clement Glenn Hoddle Rennie Muelensteen Steve Clarke Lee Clark Roberto di Matteo Gianfranco Zola Chris Hughton Malky Mackay Russ Wilcox Mark Warburton Tim Sherwood Luis Enrique Eddie Howe Ian Holloway Pepe Mel Dave Jones Alan Curbishley[/p][/quote]I have to say holloway would be good entertainment ! Would he last a month with jones and Burke ? What a reality tv show that would make! mark by the sea
  • Score: 7

11:26am Wed 14 May 14

Conelli98 says...

Same source as Oscar reiterated to me today its definately McKay at top of shortlist, price is dropping quickly.,GET ON IT!!
Same source as Oscar reiterated to me today its definately McKay at top of shortlist, price is dropping quickly.,GET ON IT!! Conelli98
  • Score: 1

11:31am Wed 14 May 14

russellsnr2 says...

A lot of the above article is just news from yesterday but as a fan of the club for more than 50 years why should I have to read "Chief executive Paul Barber refused to comment on specific names."
Without supporters/fans there would be no club, there has since the appointment of Barber and Burke been this attitude that everything that is going on at our club is hush hush, it's like a made up version of the official secrets act.I can understand why the club would not want to splash the name of a prospective in-coming player but we are talking a manager here and names are flying about like kites. I see no problem why we should not be kept in the loop over who maybe our next manager!!!
A lot of the above article is just news from yesterday but as a fan of the club for more than 50 years why should I have to read "Chief executive Paul Barber refused to comment on specific names." Without supporters/fans there would be no club, there has since the appointment of Barber and Burke been this attitude that everything that is going on at our club is hush hush, it's like a made up version of the official secrets act.I can understand why the club would not want to splash the name of a prospective in-coming player but we are talking a manager here and names are flying about like kites. I see no problem why we should not be kept in the loop over who maybe our next manager!!! russellsnr2
  • Score: -6

11:43am Wed 14 May 14

Claude Back says...

Captain Haddock wrote:
Right, here are my thoughts on the situation.

First of all I'm disappointed to see Oscar go as I don't think we saw his full potential. He may not have improved on the aspects of his management for which people have criticised him on here and elsewhere, but I also think that it now appears his hands were tied to some degree. Perhaps the way he managed the team related directly to the confines he was placed under regarding personnel and a willingness to spend on it. In other words, perhaps he felt the players we had weren't often fit enough (injury wise) or perhaps not good enough to play in the way that Derby did. Derby are definitely the direct comparison for us as I believe that is the way Oscar would've liked to have played with better resources.

Then again, perhaps not. Perhaps he is too negative a manager and overcautious. Perhaps we will see in time when is next appointed.

As for future possible candidates for the role at the Albion, Tim Sherwood has been mentioned. I'm in two minds about him. Speaking to Spurs fans up here n London, they are not in the least bit impressed. It's not just his ability to do a job of that standing, it's his overall lack of man management skills, tactical nouse and flexibility. I don't have a clear idea myself but the feedback I have received doesn't fill me with too much encouragement.

Other key candidates mentioned include Malky Mackay, who I would love to see join). The question there, as with any candidate really, is would he be prepared to work within the perceived strict confines of our budget? There are other feasible candidates like Gianfranco Zola and Steve Clarke.

I have it on good authority that Malky has applied for the job, along with Chris Hughton and Lee Clark. I would not be keen on the latter even though I believe he is an honourable man and cares about his job passionately.

A quick list off the top of my head of candidates that I think would either be interested, the club will be interested or who may - rightly or wrongly - be linked otherwise include:


Paul Clement
Glenn Hoddle
Rennie Muelensteen
Steve Clarke
Lee Clark
Roberto di Matteo
Gianfranco Zola
Chris Hughton
Malky Mackay
Russ Wilcox
Mark Warburton
Tim Sherwood
Luis Enrique
Eddie Howe
Ian Holloway
Pepe Mel
Dave Jones
Alan Curbishley
Fair comment and good points, Captain.
I have also heard disquieting things about Sherwood from my Spurs contacts but then again I do not have first hand knowledge of him and one man's meat etc.
If Malky has applied, and I understand he has too, then we would be foolish not to appoint him, in my view, and I appreciate that may not be everyone's. He has a proven track record and plays the 'Derby way'.
Then again, as has been rehearsed on here already, would he operate with the constraints applied to Gus and Oscar? He may withdraw once he has more details; if what we believe to be true is actually true.
It might be interesting to remember that Oscar was given the title of 'First Team Coach' to alleviate the legal problems the Club had with Gus, who technically was still Manager due to the intended Appeal. Calling Oscar the Coach and not Manager was simply an aid to progressing the appointment pending the Appeal (which never materialised). Had I been dealing with that, I would have done the same.
Therefore, my point is that we may be being a little prognosticate in assuming the 'Manager' will only have a 'Coach's' powers. Whether coach or Manager it might not mean the acquisition of players etc is ultra vires.
Sorry for the longer post but I thought it might be of interest.
[quote][p][bold]Captain Haddock[/bold] wrote: Right, here are my thoughts on the situation. First of all I'm disappointed to see Oscar go as I don't think we saw his full potential. He may not have improved on the aspects of his management for which people have criticised him on here and elsewhere, but I also think that it now appears his hands were tied to some degree. Perhaps the way he managed the team related directly to the confines he was placed under regarding personnel and a willingness to spend on it. In other words, perhaps he felt the players we had weren't often fit enough (injury wise) or perhaps not good enough to play in the way that Derby did. Derby are definitely the direct comparison for us as I believe that is the way Oscar would've liked to have played with better resources. Then again, perhaps not. Perhaps he is too negative a manager and overcautious. Perhaps we will see in time when is next appointed. As for future possible candidates for the role at the Albion, Tim Sherwood has been mentioned. I'm in two minds about him. Speaking to Spurs fans up here n London, they are not in the least bit impressed. It's not just his ability to do a job of that standing, it's his overall lack of man management skills, tactical nouse and flexibility. I don't have a clear idea myself but the feedback I have received doesn't fill me with too much encouragement. Other key candidates mentioned include Malky Mackay, who I would love to see join). The question there, as with any candidate really, is would he be prepared to work within the perceived strict confines of our budget? There are other feasible candidates like Gianfranco Zola and Steve Clarke. I have it on good authority that Malky has applied for the job, along with Chris Hughton and Lee Clark. I would not be keen on the latter even though I believe he is an honourable man and cares about his job passionately. A quick list off the top of my head of candidates that I think would either be interested, the club will be interested or who may - rightly or wrongly - be linked otherwise include: Paul Clement Glenn Hoddle Rennie Muelensteen Steve Clarke Lee Clark Roberto di Matteo Gianfranco Zola Chris Hughton Malky Mackay Russ Wilcox Mark Warburton Tim Sherwood Luis Enrique Eddie Howe Ian Holloway Pepe Mel Dave Jones Alan Curbishley[/p][/quote]Fair comment and good points, Captain. I have also heard disquieting things about Sherwood from my Spurs contacts but then again I do not have first hand knowledge of him and one man's meat etc. If Malky has applied, and I understand he has too, then we would be foolish not to appoint him, in my view, and I appreciate that may not be everyone's. He has a proven track record and plays the 'Derby way'. Then again, as has been rehearsed on here already, would he operate with the constraints applied to Gus and Oscar? He may withdraw once he has more details; if what we believe to be true is actually true. It might be interesting to remember that Oscar was given the title of 'First Team Coach' to alleviate the legal problems the Club had with Gus, who technically was still Manager due to the intended Appeal. Calling Oscar the Coach and not Manager was simply an aid to progressing the appointment pending the Appeal (which never materialised). Had I been dealing with that, I would have done the same. Therefore, my point is that we may be being a little prognosticate in assuming the 'Manager' will only have a 'Coach's' powers. Whether coach or Manager it might not mean the acquisition of players etc is ultra vires. Sorry for the longer post but I thought it might be of interest. Claude Back
  • Score: 7

11:57am Wed 14 May 14

Claude Back says...

russellsnr2 wrote:
A lot of the above article is just news from yesterday but as a fan of the club for more than 50 years why should I have to read "Chief executive Paul Barber refused to comment on specific names."
Without supporters/fans there would be no club, there has since the appointment of Barber and Burke been this attitude that everything that is going on at our club is hush hush, it's like a made up version of the official secrets act.I can understand why the club would not want to splash the name of a prospective in-coming player but we are talking a manager here and names are flying about like kites. I see no problem why we should not be kept in the loop over who maybe our next manager!!!
I think the 'problem' is, Russell, that the Club would wish to protect the reputations of those who are not successful. Would you want everyone to know that you had fallen short of an interview or the job itself? I am only assuming this and it may not be a fact but it's something to consider, don't you agree?
[quote][p][bold]russellsnr2[/bold] wrote: A lot of the above article is just news from yesterday but as a fan of the club for more than 50 years why should I have to read "Chief executive Paul Barber refused to comment on specific names." Without supporters/fans there would be no club, there has since the appointment of Barber and Burke been this attitude that everything that is going on at our club is hush hush, it's like a made up version of the official secrets act.I can understand why the club would not want to splash the name of a prospective in-coming player but we are talking a manager here and names are flying about like kites. I see no problem why we should not be kept in the loop over who maybe our next manager!!![/p][/quote]I think the 'problem' is, Russell, that the Club would wish to protect the reputations of those who are not successful. Would you want everyone to know that you had fallen short of an interview or the job itself? I am only assuming this and it may not be a fact but it's something to consider, don't you agree? Claude Back
  • Score: 7

12:00pm Wed 14 May 14

Captain Haddock says...

Captain Haddock wrote:
Right, here are my thoughts on the situation. First of all I'm disappointed to see Oscar go as I don't think we saw his full potential. He may not have improved on the aspects of his management for which people have criticised him on here and elsewhere, but I also think that it now appears his hands were tied to some degree. Perhaps the way he managed the team related directly to the confines he was placed under regarding personnel and a willingness to spend on it. In other words, perhaps he felt the players we had weren't often fit enough (injury wise) or perhaps not good enough to play in the way that Derby did. Derby are definitely the direct comparison for us as I believe that is the way Oscar would've liked to have played with better resources. Then again, perhaps not. Perhaps he is too negative a manager and overcautious. Perhaps we will see in time when is next appointed. As for future possible candidates for the role at the Albion, Tim Sherwood has been mentioned. I'm in two minds about him. Speaking to Spurs fans up here n London, they are not in the least bit impressed. It's not just his ability to do a job of that standing, it's his overall lack of man management skills, tactical nouse and flexibility. I don't have a clear idea myself but the feedback I have received doesn't fill me with too much encouragement. Other key candidates mentioned include Malky Mackay, who I would love to see join). The question there, as with any candidate really, is would he be prepared to work within the perceived strict confines of our budget? There are other feasible candidates like Gianfranco Zola and Steve Clarke. I have it on good authority that Malky has applied for the job, along with Chris Hughton and Lee Clark. I would not be keen on the latter even though I believe he is an honourable man and cares about his job passionately. A quick list off the top of my head of candidates that I think would either be interested, the club will be interested or who may - rightly or wrongly - be linked otherwise include: Paul Clement Glenn Hoddle Rennie Muelensteen Steve Clarke Lee Clark Roberto di Matteo Gianfranco Zola Chris Hughton Malky Mackay Russ Wilcox Mark Warburton Tim Sherwood Luis Enrique Eddie Howe Ian Holloway Pepe Mel Dave Jones Alan Curbishley
Of those listed, Mark Warburton would be an interesting choice but alas I don't think it's feasible. Firstly we'd have to spend money to prise him away and secondly I don't think we would be able to as Tony Bloom is an arch business rival of Matthew Benham (the ambitious Brentford owner). They don't like each other one bit apparently.

Meulensteen would be an interesting choice. Still not sure about is credentials but he certainly has coaching ability and a strong background behind the scenes. I don't think he was given enough time at Fulham for us to form a proper judgement on him there.

Russ Wilcox has done well at Scunny but had a proportionally high budget for the division and there were lots of draws in his unbeaten run. It's also too early in his career to make the jump in my opinion.

Eddie Howe would not be leaving Bournemouth to my mind. There is also a bit of a question mark about whether he can perform anywhere other than Bournemouth although he did a reasonable enough job at Burnley....it's just we'd need him to do more of a "Sean Dyche" at Burnley. They've also spent £2 million on the South African dud (Ranti) during his tenure so far. He does have potential regardless of those elements though, so not to be ruled out completely.

Luis Enrique was one of the candidates that was apparently on the shortlist last time along with Uwe Rosler and Tim Sherwood, but like those others he is also out of the frame this time. He will be the Barcelona manager next season.

The other candidate worth further mention is Paul Clement. He is assistant coach at Real Madrid and is reportedly doing a good job. He went over there with Mourinho I believe and stayed on under Ancelotti's reign. He is reportedly open to possibilities in England and this might be a good fit for him. Would he be ready for the responsibility? Not sure yet but would certainly be an interesting choice out of left field.

It is also thought that Glenn Hoddle is keen to get back into first-team management. His coaching credentials and managerial record are actually pretty decent and he's been doing some good work over in Spain in recent times. Wonder if the time is right for him to return now?

Not sure Dave Jones, or others such as Neil Warnock, Karl Robinson, Paul Cook, Paul Tisdale, etc are worthy of serious mention.
[quote][p][bold]Captain Haddock[/bold] wrote: Right, here are my thoughts on the situation. First of all I'm disappointed to see Oscar go as I don't think we saw his full potential. He may not have improved on the aspects of his management for which people have criticised him on here and elsewhere, but I also think that it now appears his hands were tied to some degree. Perhaps the way he managed the team related directly to the confines he was placed under regarding personnel and a willingness to spend on it. In other words, perhaps he felt the players we had weren't often fit enough (injury wise) or perhaps not good enough to play in the way that Derby did. Derby are definitely the direct comparison for us as I believe that is the way Oscar would've liked to have played with better resources. Then again, perhaps not. Perhaps he is too negative a manager and overcautious. Perhaps we will see in time when is next appointed. As for future possible candidates for the role at the Albion, Tim Sherwood has been mentioned. I'm in two minds about him. Speaking to Spurs fans up here n London, they are not in the least bit impressed. It's not just his ability to do a job of that standing, it's his overall lack of man management skills, tactical nouse and flexibility. I don't have a clear idea myself but the feedback I have received doesn't fill me with too much encouragement. Other key candidates mentioned include Malky Mackay, who I would love to see join). The question there, as with any candidate really, is would he be prepared to work within the perceived strict confines of our budget? There are other feasible candidates like Gianfranco Zola and Steve Clarke. I have it on good authority that Malky has applied for the job, along with Chris Hughton and Lee Clark. I would not be keen on the latter even though I believe he is an honourable man and cares about his job passionately. A quick list off the top of my head of candidates that I think would either be interested, the club will be interested or who may - rightly or wrongly - be linked otherwise include: Paul Clement Glenn Hoddle Rennie Muelensteen Steve Clarke Lee Clark Roberto di Matteo Gianfranco Zola Chris Hughton Malky Mackay Russ Wilcox Mark Warburton Tim Sherwood Luis Enrique Eddie Howe Ian Holloway Pepe Mel Dave Jones Alan Curbishley[/p][/quote]Of those listed, Mark Warburton would be an interesting choice but alas I don't think it's feasible. Firstly we'd have to spend money to prise him away and secondly I don't think we would be able to as Tony Bloom is an arch business rival of Matthew Benham (the ambitious Brentford owner). They don't like each other one bit apparently. Meulensteen would be an interesting choice. Still not sure about is credentials but he certainly has coaching ability and a strong background behind the scenes. I don't think he was given enough time at Fulham for us to form a proper judgement on him there. Russ Wilcox has done well at Scunny but had a proportionally high budget for the division and there were lots of draws in his unbeaten run. It's also too early in his career to make the jump in my opinion. Eddie Howe would not be leaving Bournemouth to my mind. There is also a bit of a question mark about whether he can perform anywhere other than Bournemouth although he did a reasonable enough job at Burnley....it's just we'd need him to do more of a "Sean Dyche" at Burnley. They've also spent £2 million on the South African dud (Ranti) during his tenure so far. He does have potential regardless of those elements though, so not to be ruled out completely. Luis Enrique was one of the candidates that was apparently on the shortlist last time along with Uwe Rosler and Tim Sherwood, but like those others he is also out of the frame this time. He will be the Barcelona manager next season. The other candidate worth further mention is Paul Clement. He is assistant coach at Real Madrid and is reportedly doing a good job. He went over there with Mourinho I believe and stayed on under Ancelotti's reign. He is reportedly open to possibilities in England and this might be a good fit for him. Would he be ready for the responsibility? Not sure yet but would certainly be an interesting choice out of left field. It is also thought that Glenn Hoddle is keen to get back into first-team management. His coaching credentials and managerial record are actually pretty decent and he's been doing some good work over in Spain in recent times. Wonder if the time is right for him to return now? Not sure Dave Jones, or others such as Neil Warnock, Karl Robinson, Paul Cook, Paul Tisdale, etc are worthy of serious mention. Captain Haddock
  • Score: 2

12:02pm Wed 14 May 14

Captain Haddock says...

WestStander17 wrote:
Andrea Orlandigasm won't be happy at this news!!! I'm not jumping with joy either to be honest! One of our most technically gifted and creative players (we lack these anyway) being let go. He hasn't fulfilled his potential with us but he has been battling injury. If we will be maintaining our current style of play, we really need a dominant creative player. Someone that can dictate the pace and create openings. A fit Vicente! We've needed this player a while. A player of this ilk may have seen us go very close this year. If releasing Lopez, Orlandi and Rodriguez allows us to get this one player, that's great but its a big "IF". If we are changing to a more direct, energetic style, a midfield of Ince, Crofts and Stephens looks pretty good to me! Although I prefer the first option!
I agree with all of that (spot on as usual, chap).
[quote][p][bold]WestStander17[/bold] wrote: Andrea Orlandigasm won't be happy at this news!!! I'm not jumping with joy either to be honest! One of our most technically gifted and creative players (we lack these anyway) being let go. He hasn't fulfilled his potential with us but he has been battling injury. If we will be maintaining our current style of play, we really need a dominant creative player. Someone that can dictate the pace and create openings. A fit Vicente! We've needed this player a while. A player of this ilk may have seen us go very close this year. If releasing Lopez, Orlandi and Rodriguez allows us to get this one player, that's great but its a big "IF". If we are changing to a more direct, energetic style, a midfield of Ince, Crofts and Stephens looks pretty good to me! Although I prefer the first option![/p][/quote]I agree with all of that (spot on as usual, chap). Captain Haddock
  • Score: 4

12:07pm Wed 14 May 14

rolivan says...

Claude Back wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
Mark, you keep mentioning me in stories to which I have not contributed at all. Are you quite well? This obsession with me was how Freeloaders started before he became fully certifiable.

I said Calde has 2-3 years left in him because he is only 32. That's 3 years younger than Upson. Calde is not injury prone so there is no reason why we can't get another couple of seasons out of him at least. I know you think all players over 30 should be shot, but stop being obsessed with players' ages.

lol etc... (sigh)
That did make me chuckle.... a lot.
For some strange reason I was only thinking last night t that MBTS is also using aliases the names of which are not worth repeating.
[quote][p][bold]Claude Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: Mark, you keep mentioning me in stories to which I have not contributed at all. Are you quite well? This obsession with me was how Freeloaders started before he became fully certifiable. I said Calde has 2-3 years left in him because he is only 32. That's 3 years younger than Upson. Calde is not injury prone so there is no reason why we can't get another couple of seasons out of him at least. I know you think all players over 30 should be shot, but stop being obsessed with players' ages. lol etc... (sigh)[/p][/quote]That did make me chuckle.... a lot.[/p][/quote]For some strange reason I was only thinking last night t that MBTS is also using aliases the names of which are not worth repeating. rolivan
  • Score: 3

12:10pm Wed 14 May 14

Singing Seagull, Indonesia says...

Hi all, an apologies firstly for going off subject.

Even the less vigil and will have noticed we have had a couple of Freeloader-free hours (and all other aliases!).

It's been great to see proper comments and debate restored.

I reported him twice today and several times recently and on each occasion his account was deleted.

Of course he will be back under another alias soon. However, other contributors might be pleased to know that I received an e-mail on the last occasion from the Web Editor explaining very clearly why they cannot comprehensively ban him and apologising for that. Her reference to him as a "persistent troll" perhaps indicating how fed up the Argus staff are with him as well as us.

I asked the Web Editor if I could replicate her final paragraph to me in an entry here and her response was "Yes, that's absolutely fine. Quote my name and position too if you want!". In view of the compulsive behaviour of Freeloader (etc etc) I will not quote her name, but the reply ended...

"I would appreciate it if you could refrain from responding or referring to him, and instead report his posts so we can take them down asap."

As good as her word, his latest entries were removed within 2 minutes of my report.

MY REQUEST TO YOU : I will continue to report Freeloader in whatever guise he continues to show up, as he is clearly intent only on destroying this forum and driving people away. His style of writing is immediately obvious and his content is almost anthemic in it's repetition.

Please can I ask all genuine contributors to do the same. It takes less time to report him than it takes for him to reincarnate, and I genuinely believe it **** him off enormously when it happens. Maybe if we all act together in not corresponding with him and in reporting him immediately he just MIGHT get fed up and go.

Well... just maybe!!

UTA and long live proper debate and observations on this forum!!
Hi all, an apologies firstly for going off subject. Even the less vigil and will have noticed we have had a couple of Freeloader-free hours (and all other aliases!). It's been great to see proper comments and debate restored. I reported him twice today and several times recently and on each occasion his account was deleted. Of course he will be back under another alias soon. However, other contributors might be pleased to know that I received an e-mail on the last occasion from the Web Editor explaining very clearly why they cannot comprehensively ban him and apologising for that. Her reference to him as a "persistent troll" perhaps indicating how fed up the Argus staff are with him as well as us. I asked the Web Editor if I could replicate her final paragraph to me in an entry here and her response was "Yes, that's absolutely fine. Quote my name and position too if you want!". In view of the compulsive behaviour of Freeloader (etc etc) I will not quote her name, but the reply ended... "I would appreciate it if you could refrain from responding or referring to him, and instead report his posts so we can take them down asap." As good as her word, his latest entries were removed within 2 minutes of my report. MY REQUEST TO YOU : I will continue to report Freeloader in whatever guise he continues to show up, as he is clearly intent only on destroying this forum and driving people away. His style of writing is immediately obvious and his content is almost anthemic in it's repetition. Please can I ask all genuine contributors to do the same. It takes less time to report him than it takes for him to reincarnate, and I genuinely believe it **** him off enormously when it happens. Maybe if we all act together in not corresponding with him and in reporting him immediately he just MIGHT get fed up and go. Well... just maybe!! UTA and long live proper debate and observations on this forum!! Singing Seagull, Indonesia
  • Score: 6

12:16pm Wed 14 May 14

Andrea Orlandigasm says...

Absolutely gutted if Andrea goes - and not just because he is hot
Absolutely gutted if Andrea goes - and not just because he is hot Andrea Orlandigasm
  • Score: 8

12:23pm Wed 14 May 14

Captain Haddock says...

4everaseagull wrote:
Having witnessed being steam rollered by Derby on Sunday our next appointment in my view needs to be British. Derby played with pace, power, aggression and desire. Apart from Roberto DI Matteo can anyone find an overseas manager/coach who has taken a team up from the Championship in the last 10 years?
Nope....on account of the fact that I think he is indeed the only one. A very telling statistic, although I believe IF Gus had continued the job (HAPPILY!) he could have become the second.
[quote][p][bold]4everaseagull[/bold] wrote: Having witnessed being steam rollered by Derby on Sunday our next appointment in my view needs to be British. Derby played with pace, power, aggression and desire. Apart from Roberto DI Matteo can anyone find an overseas manager/coach who has taken a team up from the Championship in the last 10 years?[/p][/quote]Nope....on account of the fact that I think he is indeed the only one. A very telling statistic, although I believe IF Gus had continued the job (HAPPILY!) he could have become the second. Captain Haddock
  • Score: 5

12:23pm Wed 14 May 14

dave from bexill says...

Singing Seagull, Indonesia wrote:
Hi all, an apologies firstly for going off subject.

Even the less vigil and will have noticed we have had a couple of Freeloader-free hours (and all other aliases!).

It's been great to see proper comments and debate restored.

I reported him twice today and several times recently and on each occasion his account was deleted.

Of course he will be back under another alias soon. However, other contributors might be pleased to know that I received an e-mail on the last occasion from the Web Editor explaining very clearly why they cannot comprehensively ban him and apologising for that. Her reference to him as a "persistent troll" perhaps indicating how fed up the Argus staff are with him as well as us.

I asked the Web Editor if I could replicate her final paragraph to me in an entry here and her response was "Yes, that's absolutely fine. Quote my name and position too if you want!". In view of the compulsive behaviour of Freeloader (etc etc) I will not quote her name, but the reply ended...

"I would appreciate it if you could refrain from responding or referring to him, and instead report his posts so we can take them down asap."

As good as her word, his latest entries were removed within 2 minutes of my report.

MY REQUEST TO YOU : I will continue to report Freeloader in whatever guise he continues to show up, as he is clearly intent only on destroying this forum and driving people away. His style of writing is immediately obvious and his content is almost anthemic in it's repetition.

Please can I ask all genuine contributors to do the same. It takes less time to report him than it takes for him to reincarnate, and I genuinely believe it **** him off enormously when it happens. Maybe if we all act together in not corresponding with him and in reporting him immediately he just MIGHT get fed up and go.

Well... just maybe!!

UTA and long live proper debate and observations on this forum!!
Are you not one of those who respond to him directly and therefore inadvertently encourage him to continue. I don't have a particular problem with him because I choose not to read his posts, or indeed those of the guys who bother to respond to him.
[quote][p][bold]Singing Seagull, Indonesia[/bold] wrote: Hi all, an apologies firstly for going off subject. Even the less vigil and will have noticed we have had a couple of Freeloader-free hours (and all other aliases!). It's been great to see proper comments and debate restored. I reported him twice today and several times recently and on each occasion his account was deleted. Of course he will be back under another alias soon. However, other contributors might be pleased to know that I received an e-mail on the last occasion from the Web Editor explaining very clearly why they cannot comprehensively ban him and apologising for that. Her reference to him as a "persistent troll" perhaps indicating how fed up the Argus staff are with him as well as us. I asked the Web Editor if I could replicate her final paragraph to me in an entry here and her response was "Yes, that's absolutely fine. Quote my name and position too if you want!". In view of the compulsive behaviour of Freeloader (etc etc) I will not quote her name, but the reply ended... "I would appreciate it if you could refrain from responding or referring to him, and instead report his posts so we can take them down asap." As good as her word, his latest entries were removed within 2 minutes of my report. MY REQUEST TO YOU : I will continue to report Freeloader in whatever guise he continues to show up, as he is clearly intent only on destroying this forum and driving people away. His style of writing is immediately obvious and his content is almost anthemic in it's repetition. Please can I ask all genuine contributors to do the same. It takes less time to report him than it takes for him to reincarnate, and I genuinely believe it **** him off enormously when it happens. Maybe if we all act together in not corresponding with him and in reporting him immediately he just MIGHT get fed up and go. Well... just maybe!! UTA and long live proper debate and observations on this forum!![/p][/quote]Are you not one of those who respond to him directly and therefore inadvertently encourage him to continue. I don't have a particular problem with him because I choose not to read his posts, or indeed those of the guys who bother to respond to him. dave from bexill
  • Score: 3

12:29pm Wed 14 May 14

Captain Haddock says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Captain Haddock wrote: Right, here are my thoughts on the situation. First of all I'm disappointed to see Oscar go as I don't think we saw his full potential. He may not have improved on the aspects of his management for which people have criticised him on here and elsewhere, but I also think that it now appears his hands were tied to some degree. Perhaps the way he managed the team related directly to the confines he was placed under regarding personnel and a willingness to spend on it. In other words, perhaps he felt the players we had weren't often fit enough (injury wise) or perhaps not good enough to play in the way that Derby did. Derby are definitely the direct comparison for us as I believe that is the way Oscar would've liked to have played with better resources. Then again, perhaps not. Perhaps he is too negative a manager and overcautious. Perhaps we will see in time when is next appointed. As for future possible candidates for the role at the Albion, Tim Sherwood has been mentioned. I'm in two minds about him. Speaking to Spurs fans up here n London, they are not in the least bit impressed. It's not just his ability to do a job of that standing, it's his overall lack of man management skills, tactical nouse and flexibility. I don't have a clear idea myself but the feedback I have received doesn't fill me with too much encouragement. Other key candidates mentioned include Malky Mackay, who I would love to see join). The question there, as with any candidate really, is would he be prepared to work within the perceived strict confines of our budget? There are other feasible candidates like Gianfranco Zola and Steve Clarke. I have it on good authority that Malky has applied for the job, along with Chris Hughton and Lee Clark. I would not be keen on the latter even though I believe he is an honourable man and cares about his job passionately. A quick list off the top of my head of candidates that I think would either be interested, the club will be interested or who may - rightly or wrongly - be linked otherwise include: Paul Clement Glenn Hoddle Rennie Muelensteen Steve Clarke Lee Clark Roberto di Matteo Gianfranco Zola Chris Hughton Malky Mackay Russ Wilcox Mark Warburton Tim Sherwood Luis Enrique Eddie Howe Ian Holloway Pepe Mel Dave Jones Alan Curbishley
I have to say holloway would be good entertainment ! Would he last a month with jones and Burke ? What a reality tv show that would make!
Haha. Indeedy. Must admit we would have to make good use of his Amex dance routine, Mark!
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Captain Haddock[/bold] wrote: Right, here are my thoughts on the situation. First of all I'm disappointed to see Oscar go as I don't think we saw his full potential. He may not have improved on the aspects of his management for which people have criticised him on here and elsewhere, but I also think that it now appears his hands were tied to some degree. Perhaps the way he managed the team related directly to the confines he was placed under regarding personnel and a willingness to spend on it. In other words, perhaps he felt the players we had weren't often fit enough (injury wise) or perhaps not good enough to play in the way that Derby did. Derby are definitely the direct comparison for us as I believe that is the way Oscar would've liked to have played with better resources. Then again, perhaps not. Perhaps he is too negative a manager and overcautious. Perhaps we will see in time when is next appointed. As for future possible candidates for the role at the Albion, Tim Sherwood has been mentioned. I'm in two minds about him. Speaking to Spurs fans up here n London, they are not in the least bit impressed. It's not just his ability to do a job of that standing, it's his overall lack of man management skills, tactical nouse and flexibility. I don't have a clear idea myself but the feedback I have received doesn't fill me with too much encouragement. Other key candidates mentioned include Malky Mackay, who I would love to see join). The question there, as with any candidate really, is would he be prepared to work within the perceived strict confines of our budget? There are other feasible candidates like Gianfranco Zola and Steve Clarke. I have it on good authority that Malky has applied for the job, along with Chris Hughton and Lee Clark. I would not be keen on the latter even though I believe he is an honourable man and cares about his job passionately. A quick list off the top of my head of candidates that I think would either be interested, the club will be interested or who may - rightly or wrongly - be linked otherwise include: Paul Clement Glenn Hoddle Rennie Muelensteen Steve Clarke Lee Clark Roberto di Matteo Gianfranco Zola Chris Hughton Malky Mackay Russ Wilcox Mark Warburton Tim Sherwood Luis Enrique Eddie Howe Ian Holloway Pepe Mel Dave Jones Alan Curbishley[/p][/quote]I have to say holloway would be good entertainment ! Would he last a month with jones and Burke ? What a reality tv show that would make![/p][/quote]Haha. Indeedy. Must admit we would have to make good use of his Amex dance routine, Mark! Captain Haddock
  • Score: 4

12:34pm Wed 14 May 14

Captain Haddock says...

russellsnr2 wrote:
A lot of the above article is just news from yesterday but as a fan of the club for more than 50 years why should I have to read "Chief executive Paul Barber refused to comment on specific names." Without supporters/fans there would be no club, there has since the appointment of Barber and Burke been this attitude that everything that is going on at our club is hush hush, it's like a made up version of the official secrets act.I can understand why the club would not want to splash the name of a prospective in-coming player but we are talking a manager here and names are flying about like kites. I see no problem why we should not be kept in the loop over who maybe our next manager!!!
It's called professionalism, isn't it. I don't think many fans would want all potential candidates who are genuinely in the frame mentioned by the chief executive during the interview process or the application process, do you? I know the candidates themselves wouldn't, especially where they are currently still employed elsewhere. Dick Knight's "sketchy" management style days are over. They NECESSARILY had to be.
[quote][p][bold]russellsnr2[/bold] wrote: A lot of the above article is just news from yesterday but as a fan of the club for more than 50 years why should I have to read "Chief executive Paul Barber refused to comment on specific names." Without supporters/fans there would be no club, there has since the appointment of Barber and Burke been this attitude that everything that is going on at our club is hush hush, it's like a made up version of the official secrets act.I can understand why the club would not want to splash the name of a prospective in-coming player but we are talking a manager here and names are flying about like kites. I see no problem why we should not be kept in the loop over who maybe our next manager!!![/p][/quote]It's called professionalism, isn't it. I don't think many fans would want all potential candidates who are genuinely in the frame mentioned by the chief executive during the interview process or the application process, do you? I know the candidates themselves wouldn't, especially where they are currently still employed elsewhere. Dick Knight's "sketchy" management style days are over. They NECESSARILY had to be. Captain Haddock
  • Score: 5

12:37pm Wed 14 May 14

wardfan says...

We must start this season on a forward footing.

Clear out is needed now, we can't keep good natured players just for the sake of it. Most of our players are just not good enough for the Championship, over a whole season.

Goalkeeper had his days, need good young goalkeeper, back four we only have may be 2 that are good enough Ward & Chickson .
Midfield This is more difficult as this is your heart of the team. I would keep Stephens, Lua Lua, Innce, JFC, March, Crofts, Then Forward line Ulloa, Sorry this is it in my team
We must start this season on a forward footing. Clear out is needed now, we can't keep good natured players just for the sake of it. Most of our players are just not good enough for the Championship, over a whole season. Goalkeeper had his days, need good young goalkeeper, back four we only have may be 2 that are good enough Ward & Chickson . Midfield This is more difficult as this is your heart of the team. I would keep Stephens, Lua Lua, Innce, JFC, March, Crofts, Then Forward line Ulloa, Sorry this is it in my team wardfan
  • Score: 1

12:38pm Wed 14 May 14

Captain Haddock says...

Claude Back wrote:
Captain Haddock wrote: Right, here are my thoughts on the situation. First of all I'm disappointed to see Oscar go as I don't think we saw his full potential. He may not have improved on the aspects of his management for which people have criticised him on here and elsewhere, but I also think that it now appears his hands were tied to some degree. Perhaps the way he managed the team related directly to the confines he was placed under regarding personnel and a willingness to spend on it. In other words, perhaps he felt the players we had weren't often fit enough (injury wise) or perhaps not good enough to play in the way that Derby did. Derby are definitely the direct comparison for us as I believe that is the way Oscar would've liked to have played with better resources. Then again, perhaps not. Perhaps he is too negative a manager and overcautious. Perhaps we will see in time when is next appointed. As for future possible candidates for the role at the Albion, Tim Sherwood has been mentioned. I'm in two minds about him. Speaking to Spurs fans up here n London, they are not in the least bit impressed. It's not just his ability to do a job of that standing, it's his overall lack of man management skills, tactical nouse and flexibility. I don't have a clear idea myself but the feedback I have received doesn't fill me with too much encouragement. Other key candidates mentioned include Malky Mackay, who I would love to see join). The question there, as with any candidate really, is would he be prepared to work within the perceived strict confines of our budget? There are other feasible candidates like Gianfranco Zola and Steve Clarke. I have it on good authority that Malky has applied for the job, along with Chris Hughton and Lee Clark. I would not be keen on the latter even though I believe he is an honourable man and cares about his job passionately. A quick list off the top of my head of candidates that I think would either be interested, the club will be interested or who may - rightly or wrongly - be linked otherwise include: Paul Clement Glenn Hoddle Rennie Muelensteen Steve Clarke Lee Clark Roberto di Matteo Gianfranco Zola Chris Hughton Malky Mackay Russ Wilcox Mark Warburton Tim Sherwood Luis Enrique Eddie Howe Ian Holloway Pepe Mel Dave Jones Alan Curbishley
Fair comment and good points, Captain. I have also heard disquieting things about Sherwood from my Spurs contacts but then again I do not have first hand knowledge of him and one man's meat etc. If Malky has applied, and I understand he has too, then we would be foolish not to appoint him, in my view, and I appreciate that may not be everyone's. He has a proven track record and plays the 'Derby way'. Then again, as has been rehearsed on here already, would he operate with the constraints applied to Gus and Oscar? He may withdraw once he has more details; if what we believe to be true is actually true. It might be interesting to remember that Oscar was given the title of 'First Team Coach' to alleviate the legal problems the Club had with Gus, who technically was still Manager due to the intended Appeal. Calling Oscar the Coach and not Manager was simply an aid to progressing the appointment pending the Appeal (which never materialised). Had I been dealing with that, I would have done the same. Therefore, my point is that we may be being a little prognosticate in assuming the 'Manager' will only have a 'Coach's' powers. Whether coach or Manager it might not mean the acquisition of players etc is ultra vires. Sorry for the longer post but I thought it might be of interest.
Yes good response, Claude. Agree wholeheartedly....oh
and nice use of vocab and Latin! ;0)

Prognosticate! Quality!
[quote][p][bold]Claude Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Captain Haddock[/bold] wrote: Right, here are my thoughts on the situation. First of all I'm disappointed to see Oscar go as I don't think we saw his full potential. He may not have improved on the aspects of his management for which people have criticised him on here and elsewhere, but I also think that it now appears his hands were tied to some degree. Perhaps the way he managed the team related directly to the confines he was placed under regarding personnel and a willingness to spend on it. In other words, perhaps he felt the players we had weren't often fit enough (injury wise) or perhaps not good enough to play in the way that Derby did. Derby are definitely the direct comparison for us as I believe that is the way Oscar would've liked to have played with better resources. Then again, perhaps not. Perhaps he is too negative a manager and overcautious. Perhaps we will see in time when is next appointed. As for future possible candidates for the role at the Albion, Tim Sherwood has been mentioned. I'm in two minds about him. Speaking to Spurs fans up here n London, they are not in the least bit impressed. It's not just his ability to do a job of that standing, it's his overall lack of man management skills, tactical nouse and flexibility. I don't have a clear idea myself but the feedback I have received doesn't fill me with too much encouragement. Other key candidates mentioned include Malky Mackay, who I would love to see join). The question there, as with any candidate really, is would he be prepared to work within the perceived strict confines of our budget? There are other feasible candidates like Gianfranco Zola and Steve Clarke. I have it on good authority that Malky has applied for the job, along with Chris Hughton and Lee Clark. I would not be keen on the latter even though I believe he is an honourable man and cares about his job passionately. A quick list off the top of my head of candidates that I think would either be interested, the club will be interested or who may - rightly or wrongly - be linked otherwise include: Paul Clement Glenn Hoddle Rennie Muelensteen Steve Clarke Lee Clark Roberto di Matteo Gianfranco Zola Chris Hughton Malky Mackay Russ Wilcox Mark Warburton Tim Sherwood Luis Enrique Eddie Howe Ian Holloway Pepe Mel Dave Jones Alan Curbishley[/p][/quote]Fair comment and good points, Captain. I have also heard disquieting things about Sherwood from my Spurs contacts but then again I do not have first hand knowledge of him and one man's meat etc. If Malky has applied, and I understand he has too, then we would be foolish not to appoint him, in my view, and I appreciate that may not be everyone's. He has a proven track record and plays the 'Derby way'. Then again, as has been rehearsed on here already, would he operate with the constraints applied to Gus and Oscar? He may withdraw once he has more details; if what we believe to be true is actually true. It might be interesting to remember that Oscar was given the title of 'First Team Coach' to alleviate the legal problems the Club had with Gus, who technically was still Manager due to the intended Appeal. Calling Oscar the Coach and not Manager was simply an aid to progressing the appointment pending the Appeal (which never materialised). Had I been dealing with that, I would have done the same. Therefore, my point is that we may be being a little prognosticate in assuming the 'Manager' will only have a 'Coach's' powers. Whether coach or Manager it might not mean the acquisition of players etc is ultra vires. Sorry for the longer post but I thought it might be of interest.[/p][/quote]Yes good response, Claude. Agree wholeheartedly....oh and nice use of vocab and Latin! ;0) Prognosticate! Quality! Captain Haddock
  • Score: 5

12:39pm Wed 14 May 14

pte says...

Surely, knowing OG was going for at least the last two months they should be at a more advanced stage than looking at a list like his departure was a bolt out of the blue.

Do "lists" exist or do clubs say that to keep everyone guessing till they get their man. I would have thought the chairman has a particular person in mind who is then head hunted. If he doesn't sign attention is turned to someone else.

This needs to be done now, by the end of the week. Next season is pivotal. I don't know what season ticket sales are like but they will surely plummet in the 15/16 season if next season sees a repeat of the mismanagement of the last two seasons
Surely, knowing OG was going for at least the last two months they should be at a more advanced stage than looking at a list like his departure was a bolt out of the blue. Do "lists" exist or do clubs say that to keep everyone guessing till they get their man. I would have thought the chairman has a particular person in mind who is then head hunted. If he doesn't sign attention is turned to someone else. This needs to be done now, by the end of the week. Next season is pivotal. I don't know what season ticket sales are like but they will surely plummet in the 15/16 season if next season sees a repeat of the mismanagement of the last two seasons pte
  • Score: 1

12:42pm Wed 14 May 14

russellsnr2 says...

Claude Back wrote:
russellsnr2 wrote:
A lot of the above article is just news from yesterday but as a fan of the club for more than 50 years why should I have to read "Chief executive Paul Barber refused to comment on specific names."
Without supporters/fans there would be no club, there has since the appointment of Barber and Burke been this attitude that everything that is going on at our club is hush hush, it's like a made up version of the official secrets act.I can understand why the club would not want to splash the name of a prospective in-coming player but we are talking a manager here and names are flying about like kites. I see no problem why we should not be kept in the loop over who maybe our next manager!!!
I think the 'problem' is, Russell, that the Club would wish to protect the reputations of those who are not successful. Would you want everyone to know that you had fallen short of an interview or the job itself? I am only assuming this and it may not be a fact but it's something to consider, don't you agree?
Hi, Yes good point but like many that post here I believe frustration is getting more and more as this cloak and dagger approach seems to have encroached into everything that OUR club gets involved in when it comes to comings and goings. Supposed will have to bite the bullet and wait and see!!!!
[quote][p][bold]Claude Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]russellsnr2[/bold] wrote: A lot of the above article is just news from yesterday but as a fan of the club for more than 50 years why should I have to read "Chief executive Paul Barber refused to comment on specific names." Without supporters/fans there would be no club, there has since the appointment of Barber and Burke been this attitude that everything that is going on at our club is hush hush, it's like a made up version of the official secrets act.I can understand why the club would not want to splash the name of a prospective in-coming player but we are talking a manager here and names are flying about like kites. I see no problem why we should not be kept in the loop over who maybe our next manager!!![/p][/quote]I think the 'problem' is, Russell, that the Club would wish to protect the reputations of those who are not successful. Would you want everyone to know that you had fallen short of an interview or the job itself? I am only assuming this and it may not be a fact but it's something to consider, don't you agree?[/p][/quote]Hi, Yes good point but like many that post here I believe frustration is getting more and more as this cloak and dagger approach seems to have encroached into everything that OUR club gets involved in when it comes to comings and goings. Supposed will have to bite the bullet and wait and see!!!! russellsnr2
  • Score: 2

12:44pm Wed 14 May 14

Captain Haddock says...

Singing Seagull, Indonesia wrote:
Hi all, an apologies firstly for going off subject. Even the less vigil and will have noticed we have had a couple of Freeloader-free hours (and all other aliases!). It's been great to see proper comments and debate restored. I reported him twice today and several times recently and on each occasion his account was deleted. Of course he will be back under another alias soon. However, other contributors might be pleased to know that I received an e-mail on the last occasion from the Web Editor explaining very clearly why they cannot comprehensively ban him and apologising for that. Her reference to him as a "persistent troll" perhaps indicating how fed up the Argus staff are with him as well as us. I asked the Web Editor if I could replicate her final paragraph to me in an entry here and her response was "Yes, that's absolutely fine. Quote my name and position too if you want!". In view of the compulsive behaviour of Freeloader (etc etc) I will not quote her name, but the reply ended... "I would appreciate it if you could refrain from responding or referring to him, and instead report his posts so we can take them down asap." As good as her word, his latest entries were removed within 2 minutes of my report. MY REQUEST TO YOU : I will continue to report Freeloader in whatever guise he continues to show up, as he is clearly intent only on destroying this forum and driving people away. His style of writing is immediately obvious and his content is almost anthemic in it's repetition. Please can I ask all genuine contributors to do the same. It takes less time to report him than it takes for him to reincarnate, and I genuinely believe it **** him off enormously when it happens. Maybe if we all act together in not corresponding with him and in reporting him immediately he just MIGHT get fed up and go. Well... just maybe!! UTA and long live proper debate and observations on this forum!!
Hear hear! Oh and I did the same on two occasions and had a similarly good response from the Argus, by the way. Keep up the good work, chap!
[quote][p][bold]Singing Seagull, Indonesia[/bold] wrote: Hi all, an apologies firstly for going off subject. Even the less vigil and will have noticed we have had a couple of Freeloader-free hours (and all other aliases!). It's been great to see proper comments and debate restored. I reported him twice today and several times recently and on each occasion his account was deleted. Of course he will be back under another alias soon. However, other contributors might be pleased to know that I received an e-mail on the last occasion from the Web Editor explaining very clearly why they cannot comprehensively ban him and apologising for that. Her reference to him as a "persistent troll" perhaps indicating how fed up the Argus staff are with him as well as us. I asked the Web Editor if I could replicate her final paragraph to me in an entry here and her response was "Yes, that's absolutely fine. Quote my name and position too if you want!". In view of the compulsive behaviour of Freeloader (etc etc) I will not quote her name, but the reply ended... "I would appreciate it if you could refrain from responding or referring to him, and instead report his posts so we can take them down asap." As good as her word, his latest entries were removed within 2 minutes of my report. MY REQUEST TO YOU : I will continue to report Freeloader in whatever guise he continues to show up, as he is clearly intent only on destroying this forum and driving people away. His style of writing is immediately obvious and his content is almost anthemic in it's repetition. Please can I ask all genuine contributors to do the same. It takes less time to report him than it takes for him to reincarnate, and I genuinely believe it **** him off enormously when it happens. Maybe if we all act together in not corresponding with him and in reporting him immediately he just MIGHT get fed up and go. Well... just maybe!! UTA and long live proper debate and observations on this forum!![/p][/quote]Hear hear! Oh and I did the same on two occasions and had a similarly good response from the Argus, by the way. Keep up the good work, chap! Captain Haddock
  • Score: 2

12:50pm Wed 14 May 14

Singing Seagull, Indonesia says...

Captain Haddock wrote:
Singing Seagull, Indonesia wrote:
Hi all, an apologies firstly for going off subject. Even the less vigil and will have noticed we have had a couple of Freeloader-free hours (and all other aliases!). It's been great to see proper comments and debate restored. I reported him twice today and several times recently and on each occasion his account was deleted. Of course he will be back under another alias soon. However, other contributors might be pleased to know that I received an e-mail on the last occasion from the Web Editor explaining very clearly why they cannot comprehensively ban him and apologising for that. Her reference to him as a "persistent troll" perhaps indicating how fed up the Argus staff are with him as well as us. I asked the Web Editor if I could replicate her final paragraph to me in an entry here and her response was "Yes, that's absolutely fine. Quote my name and position too if you want!". In view of the compulsive behaviour of Freeloader (etc etc) I will not quote her name, but the reply ended... "I would appreciate it if you could refrain from responding or referring to him, and instead report his posts so we can take them down asap." As good as her word, his latest entries were removed within 2 minutes of my report. MY REQUEST TO YOU : I will continue to report Freeloader in whatever guise he continues to show up, as he is clearly intent only on destroying this forum and driving people away. His style of writing is immediately obvious and his content is almost anthemic in it's repetition. Please can I ask all genuine contributors to do the same. It takes less time to report him than it takes for him to reincarnate, and I genuinely believe it **** him off enormously when it happens. Maybe if we all act together in not corresponding with him and in reporting him immediately he just MIGHT get fed up and go. Well... just maybe!! UTA and long live proper debate and observations on this forum!!
Hear hear! Oh and I did the same on two occasions and had a similarly good response from the Argus, by the way. Keep up the good work, chap!
Thanks Cap'n. Full steam ahead ;-)
[quote][p][bold]Captain Haddock[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Singing Seagull, Indonesia[/bold] wrote: Hi all, an apologies firstly for going off subject. Even the less vigil and will have noticed we have had a couple of Freeloader-free hours (and all other aliases!). It's been great to see proper comments and debate restored. I reported him twice today and several times recently and on each occasion his account was deleted. Of course he will be back under another alias soon. However, other contributors might be pleased to know that I received an e-mail on the last occasion from the Web Editor explaining very clearly why they cannot comprehensively ban him and apologising for that. Her reference to him as a "persistent troll" perhaps indicating how fed up the Argus staff are with him as well as us. I asked the Web Editor if I could replicate her final paragraph to me in an entry here and her response was "Yes, that's absolutely fine. Quote my name and position too if you want!". In view of the compulsive behaviour of Freeloader (etc etc) I will not quote her name, but the reply ended... "I would appreciate it if you could refrain from responding or referring to him, and instead report his posts so we can take them down asap." As good as her word, his latest entries were removed within 2 minutes of my report. MY REQUEST TO YOU : I will continue to report Freeloader in whatever guise he continues to show up, as he is clearly intent only on destroying this forum and driving people away. His style of writing is immediately obvious and his content is almost anthemic in it's repetition. Please can I ask all genuine contributors to do the same. It takes less time to report him than it takes for him to reincarnate, and I genuinely believe it **** him off enormously when it happens. Maybe if we all act together in not corresponding with him and in reporting him immediately he just MIGHT get fed up and go. Well... just maybe!! UTA and long live proper debate and observations on this forum!![/p][/quote]Hear hear! Oh and I did the same on two occasions and had a similarly good response from the Argus, by the way. Keep up the good work, chap![/p][/quote]Thanks Cap'n. Full steam ahead ;-) Singing Seagull, Indonesia
  • Score: 1

12:53pm Wed 14 May 14

Captain Haddock says...

wardfan wrote:
We must start this season on a forward footing. Clear out is needed now, we can't keep good natured players just for the sake of it. Most of our players are just not good enough for the Championship, over a whole season. Goalkeeper had his days, need good young goalkeeper, back four we only have may be 2 that are good enough Ward & Chickson . Midfield This is more difficult as this is your heart of the team. I would keep Stephens, Lua Lua, Innce, JFC, March, Crofts, Then Forward line Ulloa, Sorry this is it in my team
I would release:

Brezovan
Anks
Maksi (unless he has come on strongly during his Kilmarnock loan spell), Lopez,
Rodriguez
Hoskins
Agustien

And sell Buckley.

Would accept any offers over £6.5m for Ulloa though i'd like him to stay.
[quote][p][bold]wardfan[/bold] wrote: We must start this season on a forward footing. Clear out is needed now, we can't keep good natured players just for the sake of it. Most of our players are just not good enough for the Championship, over a whole season. Goalkeeper had his days, need good young goalkeeper, back four we only have may be 2 that are good enough Ward & Chickson . Midfield This is more difficult as this is your heart of the team. I would keep Stephens, Lua Lua, Innce, JFC, March, Crofts, Then Forward line Ulloa, Sorry this is it in my team[/p][/quote]I would release: Brezovan Anks Maksi (unless he has come on strongly during his Kilmarnock loan spell), Lopez, Rodriguez Hoskins Agustien And sell Buckley. Would accept any offers over £6.5m for Ulloa though i'd like him to stay. Captain Haddock
  • Score: 1

1:25pm Wed 14 May 14

JetsetAussie says...

Brighton & Hove Albion release six out-of-contract players following their Championship play-off semi-final defeat to Derby.

Goalkeepers Peter Brezovan and Tomasz Kuszczak, striker, Will Hoskins, midfielders Andrea Orlandi and David Lopez and forward David Rodriguez have not been offered new deals.

The club do intend to offer fresh contracts to goalkeeper Casper Ankergren, defenders Inigo Calderon and Bruno Saltor and player of the season Matthew Upson.
Brighton & Hove Albion release six out-of-contract players following their Championship play-off semi-final defeat to Derby. Goalkeepers Peter Brezovan and Tomasz Kuszczak, striker, Will Hoskins, midfielders Andrea Orlandi and David Lopez and forward David Rodriguez have not been offered new deals. The club do intend to offer fresh contracts to goalkeeper Casper Ankergren, defenders Inigo Calderon and Bruno Saltor and player of the season Matthew Upson. JetsetAussie
  • Score: 2

1:30pm Wed 14 May 14

ballantrrae says...

Captain Haddock wrote:
I think Oscar back room staff will probably eventually leave too, even though they haven't so far.
Good point Captain Haddock (R). I am sure whoever replaces Oscar will bring in his own team of coaches etc which presumably makes Nathan Jones's position vulnerable as well.
I have to say I was concerned at the number of medium to long term injuries the squad suffered this season and just wonder if the different intensity and pace that English football is played at 'caught out' Oscar's fitness coach..
I notice that on this thread that a couple of main issues are being discussed - appointing a Manager and restructuring the playing squad.
The positive aspect of this upheaval is that there is an opportunity for the club to sort out the main problem area (the player recruitment and scouting department) and to offer the incoming manager potentially a long term position. To offer them the chance of not only taking BHA to the Premier League but also of establishing the club in that league for the forseable future. With so many players out of contract (or returning to their parent clubs) the new Manager will have a virtually clean sheet as far as the playing squad is concerned and, budget permitting, can therefore more readily recruit players he wants.
Firstly the question of exactly who might be included on Bloom's short list (to be our new Manager). I hope that the short list includes Managers/Coaches with different experience. From people such as Mackay and Di Matteo who have taken clubs from the Championship to the Premier League to young Managers like Ernie Howe and Karl Robinson., to experienced coaches with Premier League experience like Rene Meulensteen and Steve Clarke, to rising stars like bookies favourite Sherwood. Actually if it were my decision I might look to a Lampard or a Neville with someone experienced like Clarke as their No 2.
As far as rebuilding the playing squad we need to sign players who do not have a track record of injuries like Buckley, Orlandi, Bruno and Agustein regardless of how talented they are. We also need to bring in players younger than our aging back 4 and players with pace. I think most posters/fans have a pretty good idea in which positions we need to strengthen the squad - Striker, FB, CB, GK and an attacking creative midfielder. I hope we can keep both TK and MU and acquire Ward permanently
So I anticipate a lot of change over the next 8 - 9 weeks both with regards to the playing staff and the team management. Indeed I can even see the prospect of members of the recruitment side departing including our HOF.
Reverting to Bloom's short list for the Manager's position I see a rare opportunity for whoever is appointed (as I said earlier) especially with the new Training/academy centre opening in less than 2 months.
Most interesting and certainly not boring times. I just trust that we end up in a stronger position than we were a week ago. I think TB and PB can potentially achieve that. UTA.
[quote][p][bold]Captain Haddock[/bold] wrote: I think Oscar back room staff will probably eventually leave too, even though they haven't so far.[/p][/quote]Good point Captain Haddock (R). I am sure whoever replaces Oscar will bring in his own team of coaches etc which presumably makes Nathan Jones's position vulnerable as well. I have to say I was concerned at the number of medium to long term injuries the squad suffered this season and just wonder if the different intensity and pace that English football is played at 'caught out' Oscar's fitness coach.. I notice that on this thread that a couple of main issues are being discussed - appointing a Manager and restructuring the playing squad. The positive aspect of this upheaval is that there is an opportunity for the club to sort out the main problem area (the player recruitment and scouting department) and to offer the incoming manager potentially a long term position. To offer them the chance of not only taking BHA to the Premier League but also of establishing the club in that league for the forseable future. With so many players out of contract (or returning to their parent clubs) the new Manager will have a virtually clean sheet as far as the playing squad is concerned and, budget permitting, can therefore more readily recruit players he wants. Firstly the question of exactly who might be included on Bloom's short list (to be our new Manager). I hope that the short list includes Managers/Coaches with different experience. From people such as Mackay and Di Matteo who have taken clubs from the Championship to the Premier League to young Managers like Ernie Howe and Karl Robinson., to experienced coaches with Premier League experience like Rene Meulensteen and Steve Clarke, to rising stars like bookies favourite Sherwood. Actually if it were my decision I might look to a Lampard or a Neville with someone experienced like Clarke as their No 2. As far as rebuilding the playing squad we need to sign players who do not have a track record of injuries like Buckley, Orlandi, Bruno and Agustein regardless of how talented they are. We also need to bring in players younger than our aging back 4 and players with pace. I think most posters/fans have a pretty good idea in which positions we need to strengthen the squad - Striker, FB, CB, GK and an attacking creative midfielder. I hope we can keep both TK and MU and acquire Ward permanently So I anticipate a lot of change over the next 8 - 9 weeks both with regards to the playing staff and the team management. Indeed I can even see the prospect of members of the recruitment side departing including our HOF. Reverting to Bloom's short list for the Manager's position I see a rare opportunity for whoever is appointed (as I said earlier) especially with the new Training/academy centre opening in less than 2 months. Most interesting and certainly not boring times. I just trust that we end up in a stronger position than we were a week ago. I think TB and PB can potentially achieve that. UTA. ballantrrae
  • Score: 4

1:31pm Wed 14 May 14

Claude Back says...

Singing Seagull, Indonesia wrote:
Hi all, an apologies firstly for going off subject.

Even the less vigil and will have noticed we have had a couple of Freeloader-free hours (and all other aliases!).

It's been great to see proper comments and debate restored.

I reported him twice today and several times recently and on each occasion his account was deleted.

Of course he will be back under another alias soon. However, other contributors might be pleased to know that I received an e-mail on the last occasion from the Web Editor explaining very clearly why they cannot comprehensively ban him and apologising for that. Her reference to him as a "persistent troll" perhaps indicating how fed up the Argus staff are with him as well as us.

I asked the Web Editor if I could replicate her final paragraph to me in an entry here and her response was "Yes, that's absolutely fine. Quote my name and position too if you want!". In view of the compulsive behaviour of Freeloader (etc etc) I will not quote her name, but the reply ended...

"I would appreciate it if you could refrain from responding or referring to him, and instead report his posts so we can take them down asap."

As good as her word, his latest entries were removed within 2 minutes of my report.

MY REQUEST TO YOU : I will continue to report Freeloader in whatever guise he continues to show up, as he is clearly intent only on destroying this forum and driving people away. His style of writing is immediately obvious and his content is almost anthemic in it's repetition.

Please can I ask all genuine contributors to do the same. It takes less time to report him than it takes for him to reincarnate, and I genuinely believe it **** him off enormously when it happens. Maybe if we all act together in not corresponding with him and in reporting him immediately he just MIGHT get fed up and go.

Well... just maybe!!

UTA and long live proper debate and observations on this forum!!
Actually being a defender of many things by nature, I cannot agree entirely with the suggestion to report Freeloaders and his aliases. I realise that this will earn me the scorn of many, including maybe posters whose opinion I value. Aren't we in danger of being a little too precious?
Yes, his title of 'Holy Bible' was offensive to me but sometimes he does make me laugh quite a lot with his stilted descriptions and adjectival use. I don't say that in a sneering way at all. His diatribes against Dunk and others (no idea why) are really quite amusing because I don't imagine that even he takes them seriously. (Btw it's not libel if he says it is just his opinion, which he often doesn't and leaves himself a little bit open there.) He adds colour to sometimes otherwise stale debates and if nobody replied to him there would be no threads of the nature some seem to dislike. We all need a little humour, surely? Just ignore him if he upsets you and rely on most people being sensible enough to distinguish fact from fiction.
So, sorry, Indonesia, but I don't agree with your unilateral and somewhat totalitarianism approach. No offence intended.
[quote][p][bold]Singing Seagull, Indonesia[/bold] wrote: Hi all, an apologies firstly for going off subject. Even the less vigil and will have noticed we have had a couple of Freeloader-free hours (and all other aliases!). It's been great to see proper comments and debate restored. I reported him twice today and several times recently and on each occasion his account was deleted. Of course he will be back under another alias soon. However, other contributors might be pleased to know that I received an e-mail on the last occasion from the Web Editor explaining very clearly why they cannot comprehensively ban him and apologising for that. Her reference to him as a "persistent troll" perhaps indicating how fed up the Argus staff are with him as well as us. I asked the Web Editor if I could replicate her final paragraph to me in an entry here and her response was "Yes, that's absolutely fine. Quote my name and position too if you want!". In view of the compulsive behaviour of Freeloader (etc etc) I will not quote her name, but the reply ended... "I would appreciate it if you could refrain from responding or referring to him, and instead report his posts so we can take them down asap." As good as her word, his latest entries were removed within 2 minutes of my report. MY REQUEST TO YOU : I will continue to report Freeloader in whatever guise he continues to show up, as he is clearly intent only on destroying this forum and driving people away. His style of writing is immediately obvious and his content is almost anthemic in it's repetition. Please can I ask all genuine contributors to do the same. It takes less time to report him than it takes for him to reincarnate, and I genuinely believe it **** him off enormously when it happens. Maybe if we all act together in not corresponding with him and in reporting him immediately he just MIGHT get fed up and go. Well... just maybe!! UTA and long live proper debate and observations on this forum!![/p][/quote]Actually being a defender of many things by nature, I cannot agree entirely with the suggestion to report Freeloaders and his aliases. I realise that this will earn me the scorn of many, including maybe posters whose opinion I value. Aren't we in danger of being a little too precious? Yes, his title of 'Holy Bible' was offensive to me but sometimes he does make me laugh quite a lot with his stilted descriptions and adjectival use. I don't say that in a sneering way at all. His diatribes against Dunk and others (no idea why) are really quite amusing because I don't imagine that even he takes them seriously. (Btw it's not libel if he says it is just his opinion, which he often doesn't and leaves himself a little bit open there.) He adds colour to sometimes otherwise stale debates and if nobody replied to him there would be no threads of the nature some seem to dislike. We all need a little humour, surely? Just ignore him if he upsets you and rely on most people being sensible enough to distinguish fact from fiction. So, sorry, Indonesia, but I don't agree with your unilateral and somewhat totalitarianism approach. No offence intended. Claude Back
  • Score: 2

1:36pm Wed 14 May 14

ballantrrae says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Captain Haddock wrote:
Right, here are my thoughts on the situation.

First of all I'm disappointed to see Oscar go as I don't think we saw his full potential. He may not have improved on the aspects of his management for which people have criticised him on here and elsewhere, but I also think that it now appears his hands were tied to some degree. Perhaps the way he managed the team related directly to the confines he was placed under regarding personnel and a willingness to spend on it. In other words, perhaps he felt the players we had weren't often fit enough (injury wise) or perhaps not good enough to play in the way that Derby did. Derby are definitely the direct comparison for us as I believe that is the way Oscar would've liked to have played with better resources.

Then again, perhaps not. Perhaps he is too negative a manager and overcautious. Perhaps we will see in time when is next appointed.

As for future possible candidates for the role at the Albion, Tim Sherwood has been mentioned. I'm in two minds about him. Speaking to Spurs fans up here n London, they are not in the least bit impressed. It's not just his ability to do a job of that standing, it's his overall lack of man management skills, tactical nouse and flexibility. I don't have a clear idea myself but the feedback I have received doesn't fill me with too much encouragement.

Other key candidates mentioned include Malky Mackay, who I would love to see join). The question there, as with any candidate really, is would he be prepared to work within the perceived strict confines of our budget? There are other feasible candidates like Gianfranco Zola and Steve Clarke.

I have it on good authority that Malky has applied for the job, along with Chris Hughton and Lee Clark. I would not be keen on the latter even though I believe he is an honourable man and cares about his job passionately.

A quick list off the top of my head of candidates that I think would either be interested, the club will be interested or who may - rightly or wrongly - be linked otherwise include:


Paul Clement
Glenn Hoddle
Rennie Muelensteen
Steve Clarke
Lee Clark
Roberto di Matteo
Gianfranco Zola
Chris Hughton
Malky Mackay
Russ Wilcox
Mark Warburton
Tim Sherwood
Luis Enrique
Eddie Howe
Ian Holloway
Pepe Mel
Dave Jones
Alan Curbishley
I have to say holloway would be good entertainment ! Would he last a month with jones and Burke ? What a reality tv show that would make!
Good well reasoned post and I note your comments about the bookies favourite Sherwood. I particularly like your suggestion of Mark Warburton but wonder if he would leave Brentford for whom he has done an excellent job.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Captain Haddock[/bold] wrote: Right, here are my thoughts on the situation. First of all I'm disappointed to see Oscar go as I don't think we saw his full potential. He may not have improved on the aspects of his management for which people have criticised him on here and elsewhere, but I also think that it now appears his hands were tied to some degree. Perhaps the way he managed the team related directly to the confines he was placed under regarding personnel and a willingness to spend on it. In other words, perhaps he felt the players we had weren't often fit enough (injury wise) or perhaps not good enough to play in the way that Derby did. Derby are definitely the direct comparison for us as I believe that is the way Oscar would've liked to have played with better resources. Then again, perhaps not. Perhaps he is too negative a manager and overcautious. Perhaps we will see in time when is next appointed. As for future possible candidates for the role at the Albion, Tim Sherwood has been mentioned. I'm in two minds about him. Speaking to Spurs fans up here n London, they are not in the least bit impressed. It's not just his ability to do a job of that standing, it's his overall lack of man management skills, tactical nouse and flexibility. I don't have a clear idea myself but the feedback I have received doesn't fill me with too much encouragement. Other key candidates mentioned include Malky Mackay, who I would love to see join). The question there, as with any candidate really, is would he be prepared to work within the perceived strict confines of our budget? There are other feasible candidates like Gianfranco Zola and Steve Clarke. I have it on good authority that Malky has applied for the job, along with Chris Hughton and Lee Clark. I would not be keen on the latter even though I believe he is an honourable man and cares about his job passionately. A quick list off the top of my head of candidates that I think would either be interested, the club will be interested or who may - rightly or wrongly - be linked otherwise include: Paul Clement Glenn Hoddle Rennie Muelensteen Steve Clarke Lee Clark Roberto di Matteo Gianfranco Zola Chris Hughton Malky Mackay Russ Wilcox Mark Warburton Tim Sherwood Luis Enrique Eddie Howe Ian Holloway Pepe Mel Dave Jones Alan Curbishley[/p][/quote]I have to say holloway would be good entertainment ! Would he last a month with jones and Burke ? What a reality tv show that would make![/p][/quote]Good well reasoned post and I note your comments about the bookies favourite Sherwood. I particularly like your suggestion of Mark Warburton but wonder if he would leave Brentford for whom he has done an excellent job. ballantrrae
  • Score: 2

1:50pm Wed 14 May 14

ballantrrae says...

ballantrrae wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Captain Haddock wrote:
Right, here are my thoughts on the situation.

First of all I'm disappointed to see Oscar go as I don't think we saw his full potential. He may not have improved on the aspects of his management for which people have criticised him on here and elsewhere, but I also think that it now appears his hands were tied to some degree. Perhaps the way he managed the team related directly to the confines he was placed under regarding personnel and a willingness to spend on it. In other words, perhaps he felt the players we had weren't often fit enough (injury wise) or perhaps not good enough to play in the way that Derby did. Derby are definitely the direct comparison for us as I believe that is the way Oscar would've liked to have played with better resources.

Then again, perhaps not. Perhaps he is too negative a manager and overcautious. Perhaps we will see in time when is next appointed.

As for future possible candidates for the role at the Albion, Tim Sherwood has been mentioned. I'm in two minds about him. Speaking to Spurs fans up here n London, they are not in the least bit impressed. It's not just his ability to do a job of that standing, it's his overall lack of man management skills, tactical nouse and flexibility. I don't have a clear idea myself but the feedback I have received doesn't fill me with too much encouragement.

Other key candidates mentioned include Malky Mackay, who I would love to see join). The question there, as with any candidate really, is would he be prepared to work within the perceived strict confines of our budget? There are other feasible candidates like Gianfranco Zola and Steve Clarke.

I have it on good authority that Malky has applied for the job, along with Chris Hughton and Lee Clark. I would not be keen on the latter even though I believe he is an honourable man and cares about his job passionately.

A quick list off the top of my head of candidates that I think would either be interested, the club will be interested or who may - rightly or wrongly - be linked otherwise include:


Paul Clement
Glenn Hoddle
Rennie Muelensteen
Steve Clarke
Lee Clark
Roberto di Matteo
Gianfranco Zola
Chris Hughton
Malky Mackay
Russ Wilcox
Mark Warburton
Tim Sherwood
Luis Enrique
Eddie Howe
Ian Holloway
Pepe Mel
Dave Jones
Alan Curbishley
I have to say holloway would be good entertainment ! Would he last a month with jones and Burke ? What a reality tv show that would make!
Good well reasoned post and I note your comments about the bookies favourite Sherwood. I particularly like your suggestion of Mark Warburton but wonder if he would leave Brentford for whom he has done an excellent job.
This post was really directed to Captain Haddock but I also Liked MBTS's comment about Holloway and entertainment value !
[quote][p][bold]ballantrrae[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Captain Haddock[/bold] wrote: Right, here are my thoughts on the situation. First of all I'm disappointed to see Oscar go as I don't think we saw his full potential. He may not have improved on the aspects of his management for which people have criticised him on here and elsewhere, but I also think that it now appears his hands were tied to some degree. Perhaps the way he managed the team related directly to the confines he was placed under regarding personnel and a willingness to spend on it. In other words, perhaps he felt the players we had weren't often fit enough (injury wise) or perhaps not good enough to play in the way that Derby did. Derby are definitely the direct comparison for us as I believe that is the way Oscar would've liked to have played with better resources. Then again, perhaps not. Perhaps he is too negative a manager and overcautious. Perhaps we will see in time when is next appointed. As for future possible candidates for the role at the Albion, Tim Sherwood has been mentioned. I'm in two minds about him. Speaking to Spurs fans up here n London, they are not in the least bit impressed. It's not just his ability to do a job of that standing, it's his overall lack of man management skills, tactical nouse and flexibility. I don't have a clear idea myself but the feedback I have received doesn't fill me with too much encouragement. Other key candidates mentioned include Malky Mackay, who I would love to see join). The question there, as with any candidate really, is would he be prepared to work within the perceived strict confines of our budget? There are other feasible candidates like Gianfranco Zola and Steve Clarke. I have it on good authority that Malky has applied for the job, along with Chris Hughton and Lee Clark. I would not be keen on the latter even though I believe he is an honourable man and cares about his job passionately. A quick list off the top of my head of candidates that I think would either be interested, the club will be interested or who may - rightly or wrongly - be linked otherwise include: Paul Clement Glenn Hoddle Rennie Muelensteen Steve Clarke Lee Clark Roberto di Matteo Gianfranco Zola Chris Hughton Malky Mackay Russ Wilcox Mark Warburton Tim Sherwood Luis Enrique Eddie Howe Ian Holloway Pepe Mel Dave Jones Alan Curbishley[/p][/quote]I have to say holloway would be good entertainment ! Would he last a month with jones and Burke ? What a reality tv show that would make![/p][/quote]Good well reasoned post and I note your comments about the bookies favourite Sherwood. I particularly like your suggestion of Mark Warburton but wonder if he would leave Brentford for whom he has done an excellent job.[/p][/quote]This post was really directed to Captain Haddock but I also Liked MBTS's comment about Holloway and entertainment value ! ballantrrae
  • Score: 3

2:04pm Wed 14 May 14

Singing Seagull, Indonesia says...

Claude Back wrote:
Singing Seagull, Indonesia wrote:
Hi all, an apologies firstly for going off subject.

Even the less vigil and will have noticed we have had a couple of Freeloader-free hours (and all other aliases!).

It's been great to see proper comments and debate restored.

I reported him twice today and several times recently and on each occasion his account was deleted.

Of course he will be back under another alias soon. However, other contributors might be pleased to know that I received an e-mail on the last occasion from the Web Editor explaining very clearly why they cannot comprehensively ban him and apologising for that. Her reference to him as a "persistent troll" perhaps indicating how fed up the Argus staff are with him as well as us.

I asked the Web Editor if I could replicate her final paragraph to me in an entry here and her response was "Yes, that's absolutely fine. Quote my name and position too if you want!". In view of the compulsive behaviour of Freeloader (etc etc) I will not quote her name, but the reply ended...

"I would appreciate it if you could refrain from responding or referring to him, and instead report his posts so we can take them down asap."

As good as her word, his latest entries were removed within 2 minutes of my report.

MY REQUEST TO YOU : I will continue to report Freeloader in whatever guise he continues to show up, as he is clearly intent only on destroying this forum and driving people away. His style of writing is immediately obvious and his content is almost anthemic in it's repetition.

Please can I ask all genuine contributors to do the same. It takes less time to report him than it takes for him to reincarnate, and I genuinely believe it **** him off enormously when it happens. Maybe if we all act together in not corresponding with him and in reporting him immediately he just MIGHT get fed up and go.

Well... just maybe!!

UTA and long live proper debate and observations on this forum!!
Actually being a defender of many things by nature, I cannot agree entirely with the suggestion to report Freeloaders and his aliases. I realise that this will earn me the scorn of many, including maybe posters whose opinion I value. Aren't we in danger of being a little too precious?
Yes, his title of 'Holy Bible' was offensive to me but sometimes he does make me laugh quite a lot with his stilted descriptions and adjectival use. I don't say that in a sneering way at all. His diatribes against Dunk and others (no idea why) are really quite amusing because I don't imagine that even he takes them seriously. (Btw it's not libel if he says it is just his opinion, which he often doesn't and leaves himself a little bit open there.) He adds colour to sometimes otherwise stale debates and if nobody replied to him there would be no threads of the nature some seem to dislike. We all need a little humour, surely? Just ignore him if he upsets you and rely on most people being sensible enough to distinguish fact from fiction.
So, sorry, Indonesia, but I don't agree with your unilateral and somewhat totalitarianism approach. No offence intended.
Hey, none taken Claude. I (and I'm sure also the vast majority) am perfectly happy for people to disagree with me and/or my views provided this is done in a manner that isn't offensive. When backed up with good reasoning and, maybe some good humour too, then so much the better.

I can't say I can ever remember such qualities emanating from 'he-whose-names-I wouldn't-mention-eve
n-if-I-could-remembe
r-them-all' so we'll have to differ on this one!

Anyway, I'm sure the troll will return to add his well constructed thoughts before too long... with the inevitable result.
[quote][p][bold]Claude Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Singing Seagull, Indonesia[/bold] wrote: Hi all, an apologies firstly for going off subject. Even the less vigil and will have noticed we have had a couple of Freeloader-free hours (and all other aliases!). It's been great to see proper comments and debate restored. I reported him twice today and several times recently and on each occasion his account was deleted. Of course he will be back under another alias soon. However, other contributors might be pleased to know that I received an e-mail on the last occasion from the Web Editor explaining very clearly why they cannot comprehensively ban him and apologising for that. Her reference to him as a "persistent troll" perhaps indicating how fed up the Argus staff are with him as well as us. I asked the Web Editor if I could replicate her final paragraph to me in an entry here and her response was "Yes, that's absolutely fine. Quote my name and position too if you want!". In view of the compulsive behaviour of Freeloader (etc etc) I will not quote her name, but the reply ended... "I would appreciate it if you could refrain from responding or referring to him, and instead report his posts so we can take them down asap." As good as her word, his latest entries were removed within 2 minutes of my report. MY REQUEST TO YOU : I will continue to report Freeloader in whatever guise he continues to show up, as he is clearly intent only on destroying this forum and driving people away. His style of writing is immediately obvious and his content is almost anthemic in it's repetition. Please can I ask all genuine contributors to do the same. It takes less time to report him than it takes for him to reincarnate, and I genuinely believe it **** him off enormously when it happens. Maybe if we all act together in not corresponding with him and in reporting him immediately he just MIGHT get fed up and go. Well... just maybe!! UTA and long live proper debate and observations on this forum!![/p][/quote]Actually being a defender of many things by nature, I cannot agree entirely with the suggestion to report Freeloaders and his aliases. I realise that this will earn me the scorn of many, including maybe posters whose opinion I value. Aren't we in danger of being a little too precious? Yes, his title of 'Holy Bible' was offensive to me but sometimes he does make me laugh quite a lot with his stilted descriptions and adjectival use. I don't say that in a sneering way at all. His diatribes against Dunk and others (no idea why) are really quite amusing because I don't imagine that even he takes them seriously. (Btw it's not libel if he says it is just his opinion, which he often doesn't and leaves himself a little bit open there.) He adds colour to sometimes otherwise stale debates and if nobody replied to him there would be no threads of the nature some seem to dislike. We all need a little humour, surely? Just ignore him if he upsets you and rely on most people being sensible enough to distinguish fact from fiction. So, sorry, Indonesia, but I don't agree with your unilateral and somewhat totalitarianism approach. No offence intended.[/p][/quote]Hey, none taken Claude. I (and I'm sure also the vast majority) am perfectly happy for people to disagree with me and/or my views provided this is done in a manner that isn't offensive. When backed up with good reasoning and, maybe some good humour too, then so much the better. I can't say I can ever remember such qualities emanating from 'he-whose-names-I wouldn't-mention-eve n-if-I-could-remembe r-them-all' so we'll have to differ on this one! Anyway, I'm sure the troll will return to add his well constructed thoughts before too long... with the inevitable result. Singing Seagull, Indonesia
  • Score: 3

2:21pm Wed 14 May 14

Neville says...

Capt Haddock
Good well thought out post but you have to take Dave Jones off that list,especially bearing in mind the last time he visited The Amex,no chance.
For me probably McKay,would like Eddie Howe but am sure he is being lined up to join the England set up within next 2years.
If not my choices would be Liam Brady to oversee the Academy and Mick McCarthy to manage us.
Capt Haddock Good well thought out post but you have to take Dave Jones off that list,especially bearing in mind the last time he visited The Amex,no chance. For me probably McKay,would like Eddie Howe but am sure he is being lined up to join the England set up within next 2years. If not my choices would be Liam Brady to oversee the Academy and Mick McCarthy to manage us. Neville
  • Score: 1

2:55pm Wed 14 May 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

Alfie T wrote:
To all true Albion fans, especially you Arnie. PLEASE,PLEASE,PLEASE

, ignore it, if I comment and it responds with its usual tripe I ignore it, please do the same and I'm sure it will get bored and go away :-)
I haven't responded to the Freeloading troll this morning (or really yesterday and for about a fortnight) unless you're talking about MBTS?
[quote][p][bold]Alfie T[/bold] wrote: To all true Albion fans, especially you Arnie. PLEASE,PLEASE,PLEASE , ignore it, if I comment and it responds with its usual tripe I ignore it, please do the same and I'm sure it will get bored and go away :-)[/p][/quote]I haven't responded to the Freeloading troll this morning (or really yesterday and for about a fortnight) unless you're talking about MBTS? Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 0

2:59pm Wed 14 May 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
Mark, you keep mentioning me in stories to which I have not contributed at all. Are you quite well? This obsession with me was how Freeloaders started before he became fully certifiable.

I said Calde has 2-3 years left in him because he is only 32. That's 3 years younger than Upson. Calde is not injury prone so there is no reason why we can't get another couple of seasons out of him at least. I know you think all players over 30 should be shot, but stop being obsessed with players' ages.

lol etc... (sigh)
Arnie, you keep coming on here protecting players , lcalderon has lost his pace, his legs have gone, torn apart against Derby .. And to be honest most wingers have got the better of him, saying he has three years left in him? Are you basing that on age?
I am basing my comment regarding Calderon on seeing him actually playing,
You may watch games streamed , but what the camera does not show is players losing men out of shot when they make runs, sadly Calderon is not going to last 6 months at championship level... Some will say I am wrong, but I am talking about Calderon the player , not the man who I have massive admiration for.
With regards to your son ( joke) he is now of the age he should be playing at the top of his game, sadly not up to it, he will be reserve again, even if mu and GG leave.
I would expect the release names out tonight. Hopefully good news should coming regarding upson and TK .
And there you go yet again with your single argument against me, the false premise that you go to more games than me. Discussion thus over.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: Mark, you keep mentioning me in stories to which I have not contributed at all. Are you quite well? This obsession with me was how Freeloaders started before he became fully certifiable. I said Calde has 2-3 years left in him because he is only 32. That's 3 years younger than Upson. Calde is not injury prone so there is no reason why we can't get another couple of seasons out of him at least. I know you think all players over 30 should be shot, but stop being obsessed with players' ages. lol etc... (sigh)[/p][/quote]Arnie, you keep coming on here protecting players , lcalderon has lost his pace, his legs have gone, torn apart against Derby .. And to be honest most wingers have got the better of him, saying he has three years left in him? Are you basing that on age? I am basing my comment regarding Calderon on seeing him actually playing, You may watch games streamed , but what the camera does not show is players losing men out of shot when they make runs, sadly Calderon is not going to last 6 months at championship level... Some will say I am wrong, but I am talking about Calderon the player , not the man who I have massive admiration for. With regards to your son ( joke) he is now of the age he should be playing at the top of his game, sadly not up to it, he will be reserve again, even if mu and GG leave. I would expect the release names out tonight. Hopefully good news should coming regarding upson and TK .[/p][/quote]And there you go yet again with your single argument against me, the false premise that you go to more games than me. Discussion thus over. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 3

3:17pm Wed 14 May 14

challster says...

If the decision is to rewlease Orlandi? The two in charge of the list need to have a better replacement, I have to say I'm not confident in either jones or Burke .. But then again I'm sure there is a plan in place which us fans don't know about .. At the moment not inspired. Sorry a. Jones, not impressed. b. Burke needs to be more 'open' to manager requests. I hope the lesson has been learned, two great years. With managers leading us in to top 6. However their job was made difficult by these two.
If the decision is to rewlease Orlandi? The two in charge of the list need to have a better replacement, I have to say I'm not confident in either jones or Burke .. But then again I'm sure there is a plan in place which us fans don't know about .. At the moment not inspired. Sorry a. Jones, not impressed. b. Burke needs to be more 'open' to manager requests. I hope the lesson has been learned, two great years. With managers leading us in to top 6. However their job was made difficult by these two. challster
  • Score: 2

3:26pm Wed 14 May 14

Yorkieseagull says...

Singing Seagull, Indonesia wrote:
Claude Back wrote:
Singing Seagull, Indonesia wrote:
Hi all, an apologies firstly for going off subject.

Even the less vigil and will have noticed we have had a couple of Freeloader-free hours (and all other aliases!).

It's been great to see proper comments and debate restored.

I reported him twice today and several times recently and on each occasion his account was deleted.

Of course he will be back under another alias soon. However, other contributors might be pleased to know that I received an e-mail on the last occasion from the Web Editor explaining very clearly why they cannot comprehensively ban him and apologising for that. Her reference to him as a "persistent troll" perhaps indicating how fed up the Argus staff are with him as well as us.

I asked the Web Editor if I could replicate her final paragraph to me in an entry here and her response was "Yes, that's absolutely fine. Quote my name and position too if you want!". In view of the compulsive behaviour of Freeloader (etc etc) I will not quote her name, but the reply ended...

"I would appreciate it if you could refrain from responding or referring to him, and instead report his posts so we can take them down asap."

As good as her word, his latest entries were removed within 2 minutes of my report.

MY REQUEST TO YOU : I will continue to report Freeloader in whatever guise he continues to show up, as he is clearly intent only on destroying this forum and driving people away. His style of writing is immediately obvious and his content is almost anthemic in it's repetition.

Please can I ask all genuine contributors to do the same. It takes less time to report him than it takes for him to reincarnate, and I genuinely believe it **** him off enormously when it happens. Maybe if we all act together in not corresponding with him and in reporting him immediately he just MIGHT get fed up and go.

Well... just maybe!!

UTA and long live proper debate and observations on this forum!!
Actually being a defender of many things by nature, I cannot agree entirely with the suggestion to report Freeloaders and his aliases. I realise that this will earn me the scorn of many, including maybe posters whose opinion I value. Aren't we in danger of being a little too precious?
Yes, his title of 'Holy Bible' was offensive to me but sometimes he does make me laugh quite a lot with his stilted descriptions and adjectival use. I don't say that in a sneering way at all. His diatribes against Dunk and others (no idea why) are really quite amusing because I don't imagine that even he takes them seriously. (Btw it's not libel if he says it is just his opinion, which he often doesn't and leaves himself a little bit open there.) He adds colour to sometimes otherwise stale debates and if nobody replied to him there would be no threads of the nature some seem to dislike. We all need a little humour, surely? Just ignore him if he upsets you and rely on most people being sensible enough to distinguish fact from fiction.
So, sorry, Indonesia, but I don't agree with your unilateral and somewhat totalitarianism approach. No offence intended.
Hey, none taken Claude. I (and I'm sure also the vast majority) am perfectly happy for people to disagree with me and/or my views provided this is done in a manner that isn't offensive. When backed up with good reasoning and, maybe some good humour too, then so much the better.

I can't say I can ever remember such qualities emanating from 'he-whose-names-I wouldn't-mention-eve

n-if-I-could-remembe

r-them-all' so we'll have to differ on this one!

Anyway, I'm sure the troll will return to add his well constructed thoughts before too long... with the inevitable result.
I also believe in an idiot's freedom to express his level of intelligence where that does not cause any offence or harm to anybody else, and very occasionally I find his clumsy attempts to make a point quite interesting. Some of his recent comments went beyond the pale and are obviously unacceptable on a civilised forum, but I still think he provides occasional entertainment.

Regarding the retained list, the only regret for me is seeing TK leave. I enjoyed watching his routine to keep his concentration up, as well as his contribution to the clean sheets. The rest of the list shows good judgement by those in the know, in my opinion.
[quote][p][bold]Singing Seagull, Indonesia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Claude Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Singing Seagull, Indonesia[/bold] wrote: Hi all, an apologies firstly for going off subject. Even the less vigil and will have noticed we have had a couple of Freeloader-free hours (and all other aliases!). It's been great to see proper comments and debate restored. I reported him twice today and several times recently and on each occasion his account was deleted. Of course he will be back under another alias soon. However, other contributors might be pleased to know that I received an e-mail on the last occasion from the Web Editor explaining very clearly why they cannot comprehensively ban him and apologising for that. Her reference to him as a "persistent troll" perhaps indicating how fed up the Argus staff are with him as well as us. I asked the Web Editor if I could replicate her final paragraph to me in an entry here and her response was "Yes, that's absolutely fine. Quote my name and position too if you want!". In view of the compulsive behaviour of Freeloader (etc etc) I will not quote her name, but the reply ended... "I would appreciate it if you could refrain from responding or referring to him, and instead report his posts so we can take them down asap." As good as her word, his latest entries were removed within 2 minutes of my report. MY REQUEST TO YOU : I will continue to report Freeloader in whatever guise he continues to show up, as he is clearly intent only on destroying this forum and driving people away. His style of writing is immediately obvious and his content is almost anthemic in it's repetition. Please can I ask all genuine contributors to do the same. It takes less time to report him than it takes for him to reincarnate, and I genuinely believe it **** him off enormously when it happens. Maybe if we all act together in not corresponding with him and in reporting him immediately he just MIGHT get fed up and go. Well... just maybe!! UTA and long live proper debate and observations on this forum!![/p][/quote]Actually being a defender of many things by nature, I cannot agree entirely with the suggestion to report Freeloaders and his aliases. I realise that this will earn me the scorn of many, including maybe posters whose opinion I value. Aren't we in danger of being a little too precious? Yes, his title of 'Holy Bible' was offensive to me but sometimes he does make me laugh quite a lot with his stilted descriptions and adjectival use. I don't say that in a sneering way at all. His diatribes against Dunk and others (no idea why) are really quite amusing because I don't imagine that even he takes them seriously. (Btw it's not libel if he says it is just his opinion, which he often doesn't and leaves himself a little bit open there.) He adds colour to sometimes otherwise stale debates and if nobody replied to him there would be no threads of the nature some seem to dislike. We all need a little humour, surely? Just ignore him if he upsets you and rely on most people being sensible enough to distinguish fact from fiction. So, sorry, Indonesia, but I don't agree with your unilateral and somewhat totalitarianism approach. No offence intended.[/p][/quote]Hey, none taken Claude. I (and I'm sure also the vast majority) am perfectly happy for people to disagree with me and/or my views provided this is done in a manner that isn't offensive. When backed up with good reasoning and, maybe some good humour too, then so much the better. I can't say I can ever remember such qualities emanating from 'he-whose-names-I wouldn't-mention-eve n-if-I-could-remembe r-them-all' so we'll have to differ on this one! Anyway, I'm sure the troll will return to add his well constructed thoughts before too long... with the inevitable result.[/p][/quote]I also believe in an idiot's freedom to express his level of intelligence where that does not cause any offence or harm to anybody else, and very occasionally I find his clumsy attempts to make a point quite interesting. Some of his recent comments went beyond the pale and are obviously unacceptable on a civilised forum, but I still think he provides occasional entertainment. Regarding the retained list, the only regret for me is seeing TK leave. I enjoyed watching his routine to keep his concentration up, as well as his contribution to the clean sheets. The rest of the list shows good judgement by those in the know, in my opinion. Yorkieseagull
  • Score: 2

3:33pm Wed 14 May 14

Claude Back says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
Alfie T wrote:
To all true Albion fans, especially you Arnie. PLEASE,PLEASE,PLEASE


, ignore it, if I comment and it responds with its usual tripe I ignore it, please do the same and I'm sure it will get bored and go away :-)
I haven't responded to the Freeloading troll this morning (or really yesterday and for about a fortnight) unless you're talking about MBTS?
I like your humour, E.P. Arnie. Let's have more of it.
That's twice today you've made me laugh out loud. .(No offence MTBS. You know I have defended you on many occasion.)
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alfie T[/bold] wrote: To all true Albion fans, especially you Arnie. PLEASE,PLEASE,PLEASE , ignore it, if I comment and it responds with its usual tripe I ignore it, please do the same and I'm sure it will get bored and go away :-)[/p][/quote]I haven't responded to the Freeloading troll this morning (or really yesterday and for about a fortnight) unless you're talking about MBTS?[/p][/quote]I like your humour, E.P. Arnie. Let's have more of it. That's twice today you've made me laugh out loud. .(No offence MTBS. You know I have defended you on many occasion.) Claude Back
  • Score: 5

4:51pm Wed 14 May 14

Captain Haddock says...

Neville wrote:
Capt Haddock
Good well thought out post but you have to take Dave Jones off that list,especially bearing in mind the last time he visited The Amex,no chance.
For me probably McKay,would like Eddie Howe but am sure he is being lined up to join the England set up within next 2years.
If not my choices would be Liam Brady to oversee the Academy and Mick McCarthy to manage us.
Thanks Neville. Jones is merely a name that I suspect will be linked somewhere down the list (hopefully quite a long way down as there are plenty of better suitors).

I agree about Malky - who I understand is now red hot favourite - and also regards Brady for the Academy. He still lives locally and hopefully could be persuaded to oversee our wonderful new facility. Perhaps in a partial restructuring of the senior management set-up he could take more of a head of operations element into his stride as well. He is more of a personality than David Burke in respect of "selling the club" to potential signings (a matter which I've discussed and with which I've shared similar views with Ballantrrae amongst others).
[quote][p][bold]Neville[/bold] wrote: Capt Haddock Good well thought out post but you have to take Dave Jones off that list,especially bearing in mind the last time he visited The Amex,no chance. For me probably McKay,would like Eddie Howe but am sure he is being lined up to join the England set up within next 2years. If not my choices would be Liam Brady to oversee the Academy and Mick McCarthy to manage us.[/p][/quote]Thanks Neville. Jones is merely a name that I suspect will be linked somewhere down the list (hopefully quite a long way down as there are plenty of better suitors). I agree about Malky - who I understand is now red hot favourite - and also regards Brady for the Academy. He still lives locally and hopefully could be persuaded to oversee our wonderful new facility. Perhaps in a partial restructuring of the senior management set-up he could take more of a head of operations element into his stride as well. He is more of a personality than David Burke in respect of "selling the club" to potential signings (a matter which I've discussed and with which I've shared similar views with Ballantrrae amongst others). Captain Haddock
  • Score: 3

5:45pm Wed 14 May 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

It's worth pointing out that the last two managers couldn't wait to leave the club despite getting them into the play-offs.......
It's worth pointing out that the last two managers couldn't wait to leave the club despite getting them into the play-offs....... ZeeGee, ffs
  • Score: 2

5:54pm Wed 14 May 14

elljam says...

Grendel wrote:
elljam wrote:
Disappointed with the Orlandi news. You will not get many players with his touch in the Championship. With a little bit of urgency added to his game by a new manager & an injury free run you'll probably have a Premier League player on your books.
I'm not quite sure why Burke & Jones are making a decision on certain players when, hopefully a new manager is in place well before June 30 which is when the contracts run out. Surely any prospective manager will have seen enough of us, either live or on dvd to make his own mind up on certain players.
The retained and released list has to be submitted to the league by Saturday. See my earlier comment. That is why Jones and Burke must work on it now.
In that case let's hope that the new manager decides he wants Orlandi before he finds another club. We re-signed Spanish Dave after initially letting him go last year, although possibly regretted it half-way through the season.
[quote][p][bold]Grendel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elljam[/bold] wrote: Disappointed with the Orlandi news. You will not get many players with his touch in the Championship. With a little bit of urgency added to his game by a new manager & an injury free run you'll probably have a Premier League player on your books. I'm not quite sure why Burke & Jones are making a decision on certain players when, hopefully a new manager is in place well before June 30 which is when the contracts run out. Surely any prospective manager will have seen enough of us, either live or on dvd to make his own mind up on certain players.[/p][/quote]The retained and released list has to be submitted to the league by Saturday. See my earlier comment. That is why Jones and Burke must work on it now.[/p][/quote]In that case let's hope that the new manager decides he wants Orlandi before he finds another club. We re-signed Spanish Dave after initially letting him go last year, although possibly regretted it half-way through the season. elljam
  • Score: 1

6:19pm Wed 14 May 14

jimbo1234 says...

Something wrong here somewhere. Two very capable managers both leaving at the end of season. POYET after failing to reach playoff places and GARCIA after reaching playoffs but failing to reach final. I don't pretend to be in the know but I have spoken with many supporters and friends who are of the view that the manager's job has been relegated to that of chief coach. This is despite attempts by BLOOM and BARBER to reassure everyone that the title, "Manager", was restored and offered to Garcia but he refused. There is no doubt, that because of all the money in the game now, Managers or whatever you want to call them have very little counsel in decisions on bringing in new players or having more say in Team matters. This is left to the senior management. I believe that when a team selected by the manager can draw 27000 he should have "carte blanche" on team affairs and the only involvement by senior executives should be a positive nod or a negative shake of the head with regard to the financial situation ONLY. BLOOM has said that the new man will have the same role that GARCIA had. Interesting...lets see what happens when the new man has been in post for a few weeks. It would be interesting also for BLOOM and BARBER to publish the Job Description of the new man. But that wont happen ......will it !
Something wrong here somewhere. Two very capable managers both leaving at the end of season. POYET after failing to reach playoff places and GARCIA after reaching playoffs but failing to reach final. I don't pretend to be in the know but I have spoken with many supporters and friends who are of the view that the manager's job has been relegated to that of chief coach. This is despite attempts by BLOOM and BARBER to reassure everyone that the title, "Manager", was restored and offered to Garcia but he refused. There is no doubt, that because of all the money in the game now, Managers or whatever you want to call them have very little counsel in decisions on bringing in new players or having more say in Team matters. This is left to the senior management. I believe that when a team selected by the manager can draw 27000 he should have "carte blanche" on team affairs and the only involvement by senior executives should be a positive nod or a negative shake of the head with regard to the financial situation ONLY. BLOOM has said that the new man will have the same role that GARCIA had. Interesting...lets see what happens when the new man has been in post for a few weeks. It would be interesting also for BLOOM and BARBER to publish the Job Description of the new man. But that wont happen ......will it ! jimbo1234
  • Score: 3

8:19pm Wed 14 May 14

namgo49 says...

4everaseagull wrote:
Having witnessed being steam rollered by Derby on Sunday our next appointment in my view needs to be British. Derby played with pace, power, aggression and desire. Apart from Roberto DI Matteo can anyone find an overseas manager/coach who has taken a team up from the Championship in the last 10 years?
Totally agree, in the past 5 years the list is as follows:-
Pearson, Dyche, Mackay, Bruce, Holloway(twice), McDermott, Adkins, Allardyce, Warnock, Lambert, Rogers, Hughton and yes Di Matteo. You need to know what you re about in this league, the priorities are power and pace and you don't get an overseas manager thinking that way. Poyet would not have succeeded if he had stayed with us another 10 years.

Shame about Orlandi, great player and a great bloke.
[quote][p][bold]4everaseagull[/bold] wrote: Having witnessed being steam rollered by Derby on Sunday our next appointment in my view needs to be British. Derby played with pace, power, aggression and desire. Apart from Roberto DI Matteo can anyone find an overseas manager/coach who has taken a team up from the Championship in the last 10 years?[/p][/quote]Totally agree, in the past 5 years the list is as follows:- Pearson, Dyche, Mackay, Bruce, Holloway(twice), McDermott, Adkins, Allardyce, Warnock, Lambert, Rogers, Hughton and yes Di Matteo. You need to know what you re about in this league, the priorities are power and pace and you don't get an overseas manager thinking that way. Poyet would not have succeeded if he had stayed with us another 10 years. Shame about Orlandi, great player and a great bloke. namgo49
  • Score: -4

9:41pm Wed 14 May 14

SonnyJim55 says...

Paul Clement is high on the shortlist.
Paul Clement is high on the shortlist. SonnyJim55
  • Score: 4

11:00pm Wed 14 May 14

gordongull says...

Claude Back wrote:
Captain Haddock wrote:
Right, here are my thoughts on the situation.

First of all I'm disappointed to see Oscar go as I don't think we saw his full potential. He may not have improved on the aspects of his management for which people have criticised him on here and elsewhere, but I also think that it now appears his hands were tied to some degree. Perhaps the way he managed the team related directly to the confines he was placed under regarding personnel and a willingness to spend on it. In other words, perhaps he felt the players we had weren't often fit enough (injury wise) or perhaps not good enough to play in the way that Derby did. Derby are definitely the direct comparison for us as I believe that is the way Oscar would've liked to have played with better resources.

Then again, perhaps not. Perhaps he is too negative a manager and overcautious. Perhaps we will see in time when is next appointed.

As for future possible candidates for the role at the Albion, Tim Sherwood has been mentioned. I'm in two minds about him. Speaking to Spurs fans up here n London, they are not in the least bit impressed. It's not just his ability to do a job of that standing, it's his overall lack of man management skills, tactical nouse and flexibility. I don't have a clear idea myself but the feedback I have received doesn't fill me with too much encouragement.

Other key candidates mentioned include Malky Mackay, who I would love to see join). The question there, as with any candidate really, is would he be prepared to work within the perceived strict confines of our budget? There are other feasible candidates like Gianfranco Zola and Steve Clarke.

I have it on good authority that Malky has applied for the job, along with Chris Hughton and Lee Clark. I would not be keen on the latter even though I believe he is an honourable man and cares about his job passionately.

A quick list off the top of my head of candidates that I think would either be interested, the club will be interested or who may - rightly or wrongly - be linked otherwise include:


Paul Clement
Glenn Hoddle
Rennie Muelensteen
Steve Clarke
Lee Clark
Roberto di Matteo
Gianfranco Zola
Chris Hughton
Malky Mackay
Russ Wilcox
Mark Warburton
Tim Sherwood
Luis Enrique
Eddie Howe
Ian Holloway
Pepe Mel
Dave Jones
Alan Curbishley
Fair comment and good points, Captain.
I have also heard disquieting things about Sherwood from my Spurs contacts but then again I do not have first hand knowledge of him and one man's meat etc.
If Malky has applied, and I understand he has too, then we would be foolish not to appoint him, in my view, and I appreciate that may not be everyone's. He has a proven track record and plays the 'Derby way'.
Then again, as has been rehearsed on here already, would he operate with the constraints applied to Gus and Oscar? He may withdraw once he has more details; if what we believe to be true is actually true.
It might be interesting to remember that Oscar was given the title of 'First Team Coach' to alleviate the legal problems the Club had with Gus, who technically was still Manager due to the intended Appeal. Calling Oscar the Coach and not Manager was simply an aid to progressing the appointment pending the Appeal (which never materialised). Had I been dealing with that, I would have done the same.
Therefore, my point is that we may be being a little prognosticate in assuming the 'Manager' will only have a 'Coach's' powers. Whether coach or Manager it might not mean the acquisition of players etc is ultra vires.
Sorry for the longer post but I thought it might be of interest.
I think we should sign Ultra Vires.
[quote][p][bold]Claude Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Captain Haddock[/bold] wrote: Right, here are my thoughts on the situation. First of all I'm disappointed to see Oscar go as I don't think we saw his full potential. He may not have improved on the aspects of his management for which people have criticised him on here and elsewhere, but I also think that it now appears his hands were tied to some degree. Perhaps the way he managed the team related directly to the confines he was placed under regarding personnel and a willingness to spend on it. In other words, perhaps he felt the players we had weren't often fit enough (injury wise) or perhaps not good enough to play in the way that Derby did. Derby are definitely the direct comparison for us as I believe that is the way Oscar would've liked to have played with better resources. Then again, perhaps not. Perhaps he is too negative a manager and overcautious. Perhaps we will see in time when is next appointed. As for future possible candidates for the role at the Albion, Tim Sherwood has been mentioned. I'm in two minds about him. Speaking to Spurs fans up here n London, they are not in the least bit impressed. It's not just his ability to do a job of that standing, it's his overall lack of man management skills, tactical nouse and flexibility. I don't have a clear idea myself but the feedback I have received doesn't fill me with too much encouragement. Other key candidates mentioned include Malky Mackay, who I would love to see join). The question there, as with any candidate really, is would he be prepared to work within the perceived strict confines of our budget? There are other feasible candidates like Gianfranco Zola and Steve Clarke. I have it on good authority that Malky has applied for the job, along with Chris Hughton and Lee Clark. I would not be keen on the latter even though I believe he is an honourable man and cares about his job passionately. A quick list off the top of my head of candidates that I think would either be interested, the club will be interested or who may - rightly or wrongly - be linked otherwise include: Paul Clement Glenn Hoddle Rennie Muelensteen Steve Clarke Lee Clark Roberto di Matteo Gianfranco Zola Chris Hughton Malky Mackay Russ Wilcox Mark Warburton Tim Sherwood Luis Enrique Eddie Howe Ian Holloway Pepe Mel Dave Jones Alan Curbishley[/p][/quote]Fair comment and good points, Captain. I have also heard disquieting things about Sherwood from my Spurs contacts but then again I do not have first hand knowledge of him and one man's meat etc. If Malky has applied, and I understand he has too, then we would be foolish not to appoint him, in my view, and I appreciate that may not be everyone's. He has a proven track record and plays the 'Derby way'. Then again, as has been rehearsed on here already, would he operate with the constraints applied to Gus and Oscar? He may withdraw once he has more details; if what we believe to be true is actually true. It might be interesting to remember that Oscar was given the title of 'First Team Coach' to alleviate the legal problems the Club had with Gus, who technically was still Manager due to the intended Appeal. Calling Oscar the Coach and not Manager was simply an aid to progressing the appointment pending the Appeal (which never materialised). Had I been dealing with that, I would have done the same. Therefore, my point is that we may be being a little prognosticate in assuming the 'Manager' will only have a 'Coach's' powers. Whether coach or Manager it might not mean the acquisition of players etc is ultra vires. Sorry for the longer post but I thought it might be of interest.[/p][/quote]I think we should sign Ultra Vires. gordongull
  • Score: 3

5:31am Thu 15 May 14

albionbloke says...

Looks like Mackay will drop off the list.....Appears he's closing in on the Norwich job.
Looks like Mackay will drop off the list.....Appears he's closing in on the Norwich job. albionbloke
  • Score: 1

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