Albion have turned down three bids by Leicester for Ulloa

Leo Ulloa scored twice against Leicester at the King Power Stadium in April

Leo Ulloa scored twice against Leicester at the King Power Stadium in April

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Leicester City are set to continue their pursuit of Leo Ulloa – after having THREE bids turned down.

The Premier League new boys saw an offer in excess of £3million rebuffed as they look to bolster their squad for the top-flight.

But they are expected to come back with an improved bid.

Leicester manager Nigel Pearson sees the Argentinean as an ideal man to operate as a lone striker with the strength and technical ability to bring team-mates into play.

Albion are in no rush or need to sell the man they spent months pursuing when he was with Spanish side Almeria.

They are willing to fight to keep a striker whose 16 goals last term included a brace at the King Power Stadium in April.

But they are unlikely to cling on to him at any price.

Reports in Leicester suggest the Seagulls are holding out for close to £10 million although Albion are highly unlikely to publically place a price tag on one of their star players.

It is likely the Foxes would have to break their club record fee, currently the £5.5 million paid to Wolves for striker Ade Akinbiyi 14 years ago, to secure Ulloa, who has three years left to run on his contract.

Ulloa has scored in all three FA Cup ties he has played against Premier League opposition and netted against all three promoted teams this season.

Meanwhile Albion skipper Gordon Greer hopes for a fourth Scotland cap tonight when his country take on Nigeria at Craven Cottage.

Seagulls midfielders Jake Forster-Caskey and Solly March are likely to feature for England under-21s in the Toulon tournament today when they play South Korea in their third group fixture.

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5:58am Wed 28 May 14

JeffLomer says...

Morning boys,

I don't no about some of you but I'm getting fed up waking up to this same headline every morning, I no were holding out for as much as possible for Leo but I for one wish it would move on and sell him because we all no the lad will leave, and who are we to stand in his way for wanting to test himself in the premiership, if this drags on all summer we will probably end up selling him with a few weeks before the season starts and that would not be good for us or the new manager, get the right price 5-7 million for him then the new manager got time to get hopefully some quality players in,
Up the Albion!!!!
Morning boys, I don't no about some of you but I'm getting fed up waking up to this same headline every morning, I no were holding out for as much as possible for Leo but I for one wish it would move on and sell him because we all no the lad will leave, and who are we to stand in his way for wanting to test himself in the premiership, if this drags on all summer we will probably end up selling him with a few weeks before the season starts and that would not be good for us or the new manager, get the right price 5-7 million for him then the new manager got time to get hopefully some quality players in, Up the Albion!!!! JeffLomer
  • Score: -20

5:59am Wed 28 May 14

Singing Seagull, Indonesia says...

Glad to hear we have rejected three bids - but if, as implied, £3m is their best of three offers then none of them will have caused us to even think about it. They may well up their offer to an acceptable level in due course, and that's when things may become more interesting. Hopefully this won't happen until we have a new manager installed so that he can have his own input to the transaction (including targets for replacing the Man From Argentina). In the meantime, IMHO, we should continue to reject all offers. Even Leo himsel will surely understand that doesn't mean it won't happen, but that it must happen at a price and at a time to suit BHA. We hold the strings on this one and Leicester (or anyone else who cares to pitch in) must wait until we are ready before expecting anything. In the meantime, their need becomes more urgent and others may join the race for what is a rare commodity - a strong frontman with good PL potential.

Keep laying the cards down Leicester, by all means, but remember that he who holds the prize owns the prize, and you are dealing with a master player in TB.

UTA!!
Glad to hear we have rejected three bids - but if, as implied, £3m is their best of three offers then none of them will have caused us to even think about it. They may well up their offer to an acceptable level in due course, and that's when things may become more interesting. Hopefully this won't happen until we have a new manager installed so that he can have his own input to the transaction (including targets for replacing the Man From Argentina). In the meantime, IMHO, we should continue to reject all offers. Even Leo himsel will surely understand that doesn't mean it won't happen, but that it must happen at a price and at a time to suit BHA. We hold the strings on this one and Leicester (or anyone else who cares to pitch in) must wait until we are ready before expecting anything. In the meantime, their need becomes more urgent and others may join the race for what is a rare commodity - a strong frontman with good PL potential. Keep laying the cards down Leicester, by all means, but remember that he who holds the prize owns the prize, and you are dealing with a master player in TB. UTA!! Singing Seagull, Indonesia
  • Score: 17

6:15am Wed 28 May 14

Albion In Staffs says...

Singing Seagull, Indonesia wrote:
Glad to hear we have rejected three bids - but if, as implied, £3m is their best of three offers then none of them will have caused us to even think about it. They may well up their offer to an acceptable level in due course, and that's when things may become more interesting. Hopefully this won't happen until we have a new manager installed so that he can have his own input to the transaction (including targets for replacing the Man From Argentina). In the meantime, IMHO, we should continue to reject all offers. Even Leo himsel will surely understand that doesn't mean it won't happen, but that it must happen at a price and at a time to suit BHA. We hold the strings on this one and Leicester (or anyone else who cares to pitch in) must wait until we are ready before expecting anything. In the meantime, their need becomes more urgent and others may join the race for what is a rare commodity - a strong frontman with good PL potential.

Keep laying the cards down Leicester, by all means, but remember that he who holds the prize owns the prize, and you are dealing with a master player in TB.

UTA!!
Agreed. Our priority is to get the manager's job sorted before we sell as the new man is an integral part of the bigger picture. The law of the jungle makes it feel inevitable Leo will leave whoever is appointed, but at least with the new bloke installed, the club will be in a strong position to immediately respond and begin the re-build.
Do it now and it'll fee like the end,but do it after we appoint and we can make it feel like the beginning.
[quote][p][bold]Singing Seagull, Indonesia[/bold] wrote: Glad to hear we have rejected three bids - but if, as implied, £3m is their best of three offers then none of them will have caused us to even think about it. They may well up their offer to an acceptable level in due course, and that's when things may become more interesting. Hopefully this won't happen until we have a new manager installed so that he can have his own input to the transaction (including targets for replacing the Man From Argentina). In the meantime, IMHO, we should continue to reject all offers. Even Leo himsel will surely understand that doesn't mean it won't happen, but that it must happen at a price and at a time to suit BHA. We hold the strings on this one and Leicester (or anyone else who cares to pitch in) must wait until we are ready before expecting anything. In the meantime, their need becomes more urgent and others may join the race for what is a rare commodity - a strong frontman with good PL potential. Keep laying the cards down Leicester, by all means, but remember that he who holds the prize owns the prize, and you are dealing with a master player in TB. UTA!![/p][/quote]Agreed. Our priority is to get the manager's job sorted before we sell as the new man is an integral part of the bigger picture. The law of the jungle makes it feel inevitable Leo will leave whoever is appointed, but at least with the new bloke installed, the club will be in a strong position to immediately respond and begin the re-build. Do it now and it'll fee like the end,but do it after we appoint and we can make it feel like the beginning. Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 6

6:31am Wed 28 May 14

Captain Haddock says...

Leicester and Nigel Pearson must be thinking we're a soft target, after Gus Poyet's inaccurate assertion that he got a bargain when signing Liam Bridcutt plus the situation with us not having a manager at present. They can think again! Double your bid Leicester or you're wasting our time!
Leicester and Nigel Pearson must be thinking we're a soft target, after Gus Poyet's inaccurate assertion that he got a bargain when signing Liam Bridcutt plus the situation with us not having a manager at present. They can think again! Double your bid Leicester or you're wasting our time! Captain Haddock
  • Score: 8

6:43am Wed 28 May 14

Far gull says...

Let him go when price is right ? Only spent an age trying to get him in the first place ?
Oh well we will have a first team of complete novices at this rate ( Bruno ,Greer, Calde and Cms aside). Cardiff sign Macheda by the time we have appionted a manager then Burke has considered their possible signings over budget we will be left 'shopping'for players at the pound store.
Miserable weather and news at present.
World cup will give some light relief am sure !!!!
Let him go when price is right ? Only spent an age trying to get him in the first place ? Oh well we will have a first team of complete novices at this rate ( Bruno ,Greer, Calde and Cms aside). Cardiff sign Macheda by the time we have appionted a manager then Burke has considered their possible signings over budget we will be left 'shopping'for players at the pound store. Miserable weather and news at present. World cup will give some light relief am sure !!!! Far gull
  • Score: 5

6:54am Wed 28 May 14

Conelli98 says...

Sell him quick for £7m, no less. Get manager in ASAP and let him build his squad with available funds right now. SHERWOOD will be manager by tea time today. SORTED!⚽️⚽️
Sell him quick for £7m, no less. Get manager in ASAP and let him build his squad with available funds right now. SHERWOOD will be manager by tea time today. SORTED!⚽️⚽️ Conelli98
  • Score: -2

7:06am Wed 28 May 14

AlfieT says...

Far gull wrote:
Let him go when price is right ? Only spent an age trying to get him in the first place ?
Oh well we will have a first team of complete novices at this rate ( Bruno ,Greer, Calde and Cms aside). Cardiff sign Macheda by the time we have appionted a manager then Burke has considered their possible signings over budget we will be left 'shopping'for players at the pound store.
Miserable weather and news at present.
World cup will give some light relief am sure !!!!
Had we landed Grabban it would be us raiding the Championship clubs for their prized assets, TK and Upson gone, Leo possibly on his way, hope the incumbent is up for a challenge, only a few weeks until pre season, never a dull moment supporting our beloved Club, UTA :-)
[quote][p][bold]Far gull[/bold] wrote: Let him go when price is right ? Only spent an age trying to get him in the first place ? Oh well we will have a first team of complete novices at this rate ( Bruno ,Greer, Calde and Cms aside). Cardiff sign Macheda by the time we have appionted a manager then Burke has considered their possible signings over budget we will be left 'shopping'for players at the pound store. Miserable weather and news at present. World cup will give some light relief am sure !!!![/p][/quote]Had we landed Grabban it would be us raiding the Championship clubs for their prized assets, TK and Upson gone, Leo possibly on his way, hope the incumbent is up for a challenge, only a few weeks until pre season, never a dull moment supporting our beloved Club, UTA :-) AlfieT
  • Score: 2

7:17am Wed 28 May 14

JeffLomer says...

Conelli98 wrote:
Sell him quick for £7m, no less. Get manager in ASAP and let him build his squad with available funds right now. SHERWOOD will be manager by tea time today. SORTED!⚽️⚽️
Thought you said yesterday Phil Neville and Lennon were getting the job, talk some sense,
Up the Albion!!!
[quote][p][bold]Conelli98[/bold] wrote: Sell him quick for £7m, no less. Get manager in ASAP and let him build his squad with available funds right now. SHERWOOD will be manager by tea time today. SORTED!⚽️⚽️[/p][/quote]Thought you said yesterday Phil Neville and Lennon were getting the job, talk some sense, Up the Albion!!! JeffLomer
  • Score: -1

7:23am Wed 28 May 14

AlfieT says...

JeffLomer wrote:
Conelli98 wrote:
Sell him quick for £7m, no less. Get manager in ASAP and let him build his squad with available funds right now. SHERWOOD will be manager by tea time today. SORTED!⚽️⚽️
Thought you said yesterday Phil Neville and Lennon were getting the job, talk some sense,
Up the Albion!!!
Sherwood is odds on with the bookies, hope it's concluded by the weekend.
[quote][p][bold]JeffLomer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Conelli98[/bold] wrote: Sell him quick for £7m, no less. Get manager in ASAP and let him build his squad with available funds right now. SHERWOOD will be manager by tea time today. SORTED!⚽️⚽️[/p][/quote]Thought you said yesterday Phil Neville and Lennon were getting the job, talk some sense, Up the Albion!!![/p][/quote]Sherwood is odds on with the bookies, hope it's concluded by the weekend. AlfieT
  • Score: -1

7:27am Wed 28 May 14

JeffLomer says...

when people post we shouldn't sell before we appoint a new manager can you explain why that is, what if it takes 3-4 weeks to appoint a new manager, that would be nearly preseason, if a good offer comes before surely they would take it with or without a manager in place, just a question im asking because I can't see the difference myself,
Up the Albion!!!!
when people post we shouldn't sell before we appoint a new manager can you explain why that is, what if it takes 3-4 weeks to appoint a new manager, that would be nearly preseason, if a good offer comes before surely they would take it with or without a manager in place, just a question im asking because I can't see the difference myself, Up the Albion!!!! JeffLomer
  • Score: 2

7:37am Wed 28 May 14

AlanDuffy says...

JeffLomer wrote:
Morning boys,

I don't no about some of you but I'm getting fed up waking up to this same headline every morning, I no were holding out for as much as possible for Leo but I for one wish it would move on and sell him because we all no the lad will leave, and who are we to stand in his way for wanting to test himself in the premiership, if this drags on all summer we will probably end up selling him with a few weeks before the season starts and that would not be good for us or the new manager, get the right price 5-7 million for him then the new manager got time to get hopefully some quality players in,
Up the Albion!!!!
I think we'd all like to wake up and see that a new manager is in place, Ulloa has gone for £7m and the new man has £10m + to spend on buliding his new squad. But the reality is that these things take time. The chairman has already stated that he wants to take as long as is needed to appoint the right man for the job. And just because Leicester have come into a lot of money, doesn't mean they are going to throw it around. They will have a list of targets ( I've read Oscar Cardoza is also a target ) and they will be trying to get the best man for the best price, so expect a protracted battle. Equally, we will not be giving away a player who has three years to run on his contract.
Personally, I would like to see the new manager in place before we make any major moves in the transfer market, so that he can have some input, but until that happens, I think we have to remain patient and trust in the decision makers to do the best for the club.
[quote][p][bold]JeffLomer[/bold] wrote: Morning boys, I don't no about some of you but I'm getting fed up waking up to this same headline every morning, I no were holding out for as much as possible for Leo but I for one wish it would move on and sell him because we all no the lad will leave, and who are we to stand in his way for wanting to test himself in the premiership, if this drags on all summer we will probably end up selling him with a few weeks before the season starts and that would not be good for us or the new manager, get the right price 5-7 million for him then the new manager got time to get hopefully some quality players in, Up the Albion!!!![/p][/quote]I think we'd all like to wake up and see that a new manager is in place, Ulloa has gone for £7m and the new man has £10m + to spend on buliding his new squad. But the reality is that these things take time. The chairman has already stated that he wants to take as long as is needed to appoint the right man for the job. And just because Leicester have come into a lot of money, doesn't mean they are going to throw it around. They will have a list of targets ( I've read Oscar Cardoza is also a target ) and they will be trying to get the best man for the best price, so expect a protracted battle. Equally, we will not be giving away a player who has three years to run on his contract. Personally, I would like to see the new manager in place before we make any major moves in the transfer market, so that he can have some input, but until that happens, I think we have to remain patient and trust in the decision makers to do the best for the club. AlanDuffy
  • Score: 11

7:37am Wed 28 May 14

mark by the sea says...

Tomo headline , brighton reject three offers for Leo ,
Friday headline ... Brighton consider list of candidates.
Is there any actual news?
I see Cardiff are about to sign le Fondre from Reading , which opens the move for Glen Murray to Reading .
Watford have signed Tomas from west brom ( good defender )
Basically since OG left nothing has happened in 15 days! With 30 to go before pre season starts TB needs to get organised, the new manager needs to move his family to sussex,
If we don't grab the best recently released players , it will be like bargain hunting in Churchill square on the 10 of Jan .
Can we have some factual news, ?
Tomo headline , brighton reject three offers for Leo , Friday headline ... Brighton consider list of candidates. Is there any actual news? I see Cardiff are about to sign le Fondre from Reading , which opens the move for Glen Murray to Reading . Watford have signed Tomas from west brom ( good defender ) Basically since OG left nothing has happened in 15 days! With 30 to go before pre season starts TB needs to get organised, the new manager needs to move his family to sussex, If we don't grab the best recently released players , it will be like bargain hunting in Churchill square on the 10 of Jan . Can we have some factual news, ? mark by the sea
  • Score: -4

7:43am Wed 28 May 14

East of CrawleyDown says...

Trouble is now Ulloa knows he is wanted in the prem and if he doesn't get the move may be sulking next season and may not try hard enough for Albion. It's ridiculous that we don't even have a manager in place yet, what on earth is going on behind the scenes? We really need to be moving a lot quicker than this. It's very difficult to be optimistic at the moment.
Trouble is now Ulloa knows he is wanted in the prem and if he doesn't get the move may be sulking next season and may not try hard enough for Albion. It's ridiculous that we don't even have a manager in place yet, what on earth is going on behind the scenes? We really need to be moving a lot quicker than this. It's very difficult to be optimistic at the moment. East of CrawleyDown
  • Score: -4

7:47am Wed 28 May 14

tug509 says...

Nothing in transfers is more annoying than have someone take the wee wee when under valuing a top player ,and Pearson appears to have an abundance of the stuff !.
Nothing in transfers is more annoying than have someone take the wee wee when under valuing a top player ,and Pearson appears to have an abundance of the stuff !. tug509
  • Score: -3

7:48am Wed 28 May 14

Aldrington Halt says...

Pay up or step off!! UTA
Pay up or step off!! UTA Aldrington Halt
  • Score: 1

7:53am Wed 28 May 14

B rian Tawses left foot says...

JeffLomer says...

when people post we shouldn't sell before we appoint a new manager can you explain why that is, what if it takes 3-4 weeks to appoint a new manager, that would be nearly preseason, if a good offer comes before surely they would take it with or without a manager in place, just a question im asking because I can't see the difference myself,
Up the Albion!!!!

Why is everybody so keen for Ulloa to be sold? It took an age to sign him and if we sell him we are going to spend a fortune to replace him. What have gained? Then there's the fact that he's still under contract and claims that he and his family are settled here.
If we replace him with someone like Adam la Fondre - just an example - it'll cost £5-6 million. We wouldn't have even made a profit. Pointless.
Forget the idea of using money from his sale to rebuild the side. It would barely be enough to replace him. Of course I've read people saying we could sign a lower league goal scorer with a prolific record. Well that's just what we did with CMS. Love his attitude but he'll never be prolific at this level.
The club should show it's supporters some ambition and resolve and publicly state - 'he's not for sale.'
JeffLomer says... when people post we shouldn't sell before we appoint a new manager can you explain why that is, what if it takes 3-4 weeks to appoint a new manager, that would be nearly preseason, if a good offer comes before surely they would take it with or without a manager in place, just a question im asking because I can't see the difference myself, Up the Albion!!!! Why is everybody so keen for Ulloa to be sold? It took an age to sign him and if we sell him we are going to spend a fortune to replace him. What have gained? Then there's the fact that he's still under contract and claims that he and his family are settled here. If we replace him with someone like Adam la Fondre - just an example - it'll cost £5-6 million. We wouldn't have even made a profit. Pointless. Forget the idea of using money from his sale to rebuild the side. It would barely be enough to replace him. Of course I've read people saying we could sign a lower league goal scorer with a prolific record. Well that's just what we did with CMS. Love his attitude but he'll never be prolific at this level. The club should show it's supporters some ambition and resolve and publicly state - 'he's not for sale.' B rian Tawses left foot
  • Score: 14

7:53am Wed 28 May 14

Albion In Staffs says...

JeffLomer wrote:
when people post we shouldn't sell before we appoint a new manager can you explain why that is, what if it takes 3-4 weeks to appoint a new manager, that would be nearly preseason, if a good offer comes before surely they would take it with or without a manager in place, just a question im asking because I can't see the difference myself,
Up the Albion!!!!
If selling now, means we should then immediately begin the buying process, then, in principle, I'm against that until a new manager can input into the identity of new signings.
That approach does put pressure on the decision makers to appoint accurately and efficiently which makes it all a delicate balancing act but, as senior executives, that's what they're paid for.
I firmly believe that, in this situation, you should conduct as little business as possible until an integral part of the longer term process is installed - the manager. It also sends out a message to us the fans, that the manager really does have say in these matters.
But it can never be an exact science and I accept that sometimes you just have to act. The current team of decision makers are clearly not dummies and they'll probably judge any issue on it's isolated merits. But for me, the less we can do in the meantime, the better.
[quote][p][bold]JeffLomer[/bold] wrote: when people post we shouldn't sell before we appoint a new manager can you explain why that is, what if it takes 3-4 weeks to appoint a new manager, that would be nearly preseason, if a good offer comes before surely they would take it with or without a manager in place, just a question im asking because I can't see the difference myself, Up the Albion!!!![/p][/quote]If selling now, means we should then immediately begin the buying process, then, in principle, I'm against that until a new manager can input into the identity of new signings. That approach does put pressure on the decision makers to appoint accurately and efficiently which makes it all a delicate balancing act but, as senior executives, that's what they're paid for. I firmly believe that, in this situation, you should conduct as little business as possible until an integral part of the longer term process is installed - the manager. It also sends out a message to us the fans, that the manager really does have say in these matters. But it can never be an exact science and I accept that sometimes you just have to act. The current team of decision makers are clearly not dummies and they'll probably judge any issue on it's isolated merits. But for me, the less we can do in the meantime, the better. Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 3

8:01am Wed 28 May 14

lmspike says...

JeffLomer wrote:
Morning boys,

I don't no about some of you but I'm getting fed up waking up to this same headline every morning, I no were holding out for as much as possible for Leo but I for one wish it would move on and sell him because we all no the lad will leave, and who are we to stand in his way for wanting to test himself in the premiership, if this drags on all summer we will probably end up selling him with a few weeks before the season starts and that would not be good for us or the new manager, get the right price 5-7 million for him then the new manager got time to get hopefully some quality players in,
Up the Albion!!!!
The new "manager" wont have the money to spend whether he goes or not. That is why the last to managers have been unhappy and left. Burke and Barber bring in the players. Bloom may have got us a great place to watch football, but id choose Withdean and Knight and have our club back to caring more about the fans and whats on the pitch.
[quote][p][bold]JeffLomer[/bold] wrote: Morning boys, I don't no about some of you but I'm getting fed up waking up to this same headline every morning, I no were holding out for as much as possible for Leo but I for one wish it would move on and sell him because we all no the lad will leave, and who are we to stand in his way for wanting to test himself in the premiership, if this drags on all summer we will probably end up selling him with a few weeks before the season starts and that would not be good for us or the new manager, get the right price 5-7 million for him then the new manager got time to get hopefully some quality players in, Up the Albion!!!![/p][/quote]The new "manager" wont have the money to spend whether he goes or not. That is why the last to managers have been unhappy and left. Burke and Barber bring in the players. Bloom may have got us a great place to watch football, but id choose Withdean and Knight and have our club back to caring more about the fans and whats on the pitch. lmspike
  • Score: -4

8:12am Wed 28 May 14

Far gull says...

AlfieT wrote:
Far gull wrote:
Let him go when price is right ? Only spent an age trying to get him in the first place ?
Oh well we will have a first team of complete novices at this rate ( Bruno ,Greer, Calde and Cms aside). Cardiff sign Macheda by the time we have appionted a manager then Burke has considered their possible signings over budget we will be left 'shopping'for players at the pound store.
Miserable weather and news at present.
World cup will give some light relief am sure !!!!
Had we landed Grabban it would be us raiding the Championship clubs for their prized assets, TK and Upson gone, Leo possibly on his way, hope the incumbent is up for a challenge, only a few weeks until pre season, never a dull moment supporting our beloved Club, UTA :-)
Yep , almost would have prefered last season to have perversly been a mid table,players out of the spot light season.
Which actually would have been a more realistic placing and after the previous end of season ending badly would have given us a better position going forward this season ref Cms /Leo playing together and a more natural squad evolution than, where we find ourselves now. Cannot see unless Sherwood appointed and he brings Dawson , Freddiel and a few others ,well more than an average season in prospect even two or three.
I do struggle why to get why we take so long to do anything manager or player wise. Gus ended up buying on deadline day !!
This is or seems a common problem with us.
[quote][p][bold]AlfieT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Far gull[/bold] wrote: Let him go when price is right ? Only spent an age trying to get him in the first place ? Oh well we will have a first team of complete novices at this rate ( Bruno ,Greer, Calde and Cms aside). Cardiff sign Macheda by the time we have appionted a manager then Burke has considered their possible signings over budget we will be left 'shopping'for players at the pound store. Miserable weather and news at present. World cup will give some light relief am sure !!!![/p][/quote]Had we landed Grabban it would be us raiding the Championship clubs for their prized assets, TK and Upson gone, Leo possibly on his way, hope the incumbent is up for a challenge, only a few weeks until pre season, never a dull moment supporting our beloved Club, UTA :-)[/p][/quote]Yep , almost would have prefered last season to have perversly been a mid table,players out of the spot light season. Which actually would have been a more realistic placing and after the previous end of season ending badly would have given us a better position going forward this season ref Cms /Leo playing together and a more natural squad evolution than, where we find ourselves now. Cannot see unless Sherwood appointed and he brings Dawson , Freddiel and a few others ,well more than an average season in prospect even two or three. I do struggle why to get why we take so long to do anything manager or player wise. Gus ended up buying on deadline day !! This is or seems a common problem with us. Far gull
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8:18am Wed 28 May 14

Rhodes Seagull says...

Albion In Staffs wrote:
JeffLomer wrote:
when people post we shouldn't sell before we appoint a new manager can you explain why that is, what if it takes 3-4 weeks to appoint a new manager, that would be nearly preseason, if a good offer comes before surely they would take it with or without a manager in place, just a question im asking because I can't see the difference myself,
Up the Albion!!!!
If selling now, means we should then immediately begin the buying process, then, in principle, I'm against that until a new manager can input into the identity of new signings.
That approach does put pressure on the decision makers to appoint accurately and efficiently which makes it all a delicate balancing act but, as senior executives, that's what they're paid for.
I firmly believe that, in this situation, you should conduct as little business as possible until an integral part of the longer term process is installed - the manager. It also sends out a message to us the fans, that the manager really does have say in these matters.
But it can never be an exact science and I accept that sometimes you just have to act. The current team of decision makers are clearly not dummies and they'll probably judge any issue on it's isolated merits. But for me, the less we can do in the meantime, the better.
Morning, Well put and I agree with the three words you used MANAGER
[quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JeffLomer[/bold] wrote: when people post we shouldn't sell before we appoint a new manager can you explain why that is, what if it takes 3-4 weeks to appoint a new manager, that would be nearly preseason, if a good offer comes before surely they would take it with or without a manager in place, just a question im asking because I can't see the difference myself, Up the Albion!!!![/p][/quote]If selling now, means we should then immediately begin the buying process, then, in principle, I'm against that until a new manager can input into the identity of new signings. That approach does put pressure on the decision makers to appoint accurately and efficiently which makes it all a delicate balancing act but, as senior executives, that's what they're paid for. I firmly believe that, in this situation, you should conduct as little business as possible until an integral part of the longer term process is installed - the manager. It also sends out a message to us the fans, that the manager really does have say in these matters. But it can never be an exact science and I accept that sometimes you just have to act. The current team of decision makers are clearly not dummies and they'll probably judge any issue on it's isolated merits. But for me, the less we can do in the meantime, the better.[/p][/quote]Morning, Well put and I agree with the three words you used MANAGER Rhodes Seagull
  • Score: -7

8:26am Wed 28 May 14

mark by the sea says...

Gus statement of 12 months ago regarding hitting the ceiling was clearly spot on, for those that defend the club over this comment it's normal to add the "5 year plan" as part of the defence, sorry we are going backwards ,
We were told we had quality applicants two weeks ago, and the club surely should have second guessed OG was going?
If this was palace we would be laughing at the shambles ..
We are going to appoint a coach but call him manager ? Is my favourite of the last few weeks.
Gus statement of 12 months ago regarding hitting the ceiling was clearly spot on, for those that defend the club over this comment it's normal to add the "5 year plan" as part of the defence, sorry we are going backwards , We were told we had quality applicants two weeks ago, and the club surely should have second guessed OG was going? If this was palace we would be laughing at the shambles .. We are going to appoint a coach but call him manager ? Is my favourite of the last few weeks. mark by the sea
  • Score: -2

8:29am Wed 28 May 14

Max Ripple says...

lmspike wrote:
JeffLomer wrote:
Morning boys,

I don't no about some of you but I'm getting fed up waking up to this same headline every morning, I no were holding out for as much as possible for Leo but I for one wish it would move on and sell him because we all no the lad will leave, and who are we to stand in his way for wanting to test himself in the premiership, if this drags on all summer we will probably end up selling him with a few weeks before the season starts and that would not be good for us or the new manager, get the right price 5-7 million for him then the new manager got time to get hopefully some quality players in,
Up the Albion!!!!
The new "manager" wont have the money to spend whether he goes or not. That is why the last to managers have been unhappy and left. Burke and Barber bring in the players. Bloom may have got us a great place to watch football, but id choose Withdean and Knight and have our club back to caring more about the fans and whats on the pitch.
Yes. I'm afraid any money brought in through transfers will mainly go on making sure we don't fall foul of FFP. I believe they are obsessed with it and in some ways, rightly so, but maybe they should look at whatever happens at this so-called League Meeting where clubs who have gone over the limits are supposedly brought to book. I don't believe anything will happen to them and that the League will cave in. Forest et al will walk away laughing. At us.
[quote][p][bold]lmspike[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JeffLomer[/bold] wrote: Morning boys, I don't no about some of you but I'm getting fed up waking up to this same headline every morning, I no were holding out for as much as possible for Leo but I for one wish it would move on and sell him because we all no the lad will leave, and who are we to stand in his way for wanting to test himself in the premiership, if this drags on all summer we will probably end up selling him with a few weeks before the season starts and that would not be good for us or the new manager, get the right price 5-7 million for him then the new manager got time to get hopefully some quality players in, Up the Albion!!!![/p][/quote]The new "manager" wont have the money to spend whether he goes or not. That is why the last to managers have been unhappy and left. Burke and Barber bring in the players. Bloom may have got us a great place to watch football, but id choose Withdean and Knight and have our club back to caring more about the fans and whats on the pitch.[/p][/quote]Yes. I'm afraid any money brought in through transfers will mainly go on making sure we don't fall foul of FFP. I believe they are obsessed with it and in some ways, rightly so, but maybe they should look at whatever happens at this so-called League Meeting where clubs who have gone over the limits are supposedly brought to book. I don't believe anything will happen to them and that the League will cave in. Forest et al will walk away laughing. At us. Max Ripple
  • Score: 10

8:30am Wed 28 May 14

rolivan says...

If you don't score goals you don't win matches so Leo is our prized asset . On the flip side if you concede more than the opposition you lose so Tomasz was a prize asset who needs replacing.
If you don't score goals you don't win matches so Leo is our prized asset . On the flip side if you concede more than the opposition you lose so Tomasz was a prize asset who needs replacing. rolivan
  • Score: 18

8:31am Wed 28 May 14

JeffLomer says...

Albion In Staffs wrote:
JeffLomer wrote:
when people post we shouldn't sell before we appoint a new manager can you explain why that is, what if it takes 3-4 weeks to appoint a new manager, that would be nearly preseason, if a good offer comes before surely they would take it with or without a manager in place, just a question im asking because I can't see the difference myself,
Up the Albion!!!!
If selling now, means we should then immediately begin the buying process, then, in principle, I'm against that until a new manager can input into the identity of new signings.
That approach does put pressure on the decision makers to appoint accurately and efficiently which makes it all a delicate balancing act but, as senior executives, that's what they're paid for.
I firmly believe that, in this situation, you should conduct as little business as possible until an integral part of the longer term process is installed - the manager. It also sends out a message to us the fans, that the manager really does have say in these matters.
But it can never be an exact science and I accept that sometimes you just have to act. The current team of decision makers are clearly not dummies and they'll probably judge any issue on it's isolated merits. But for me, the less we can do in the meantime, the better.
Albion in staffs,
Reading what you have posted makes sense, cheers!!
Hope manager is in place soon then,
Up the Albion!!
[quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JeffLomer[/bold] wrote: when people post we shouldn't sell before we appoint a new manager can you explain why that is, what if it takes 3-4 weeks to appoint a new manager, that would be nearly preseason, if a good offer comes before surely they would take it with or without a manager in place, just a question im asking because I can't see the difference myself, Up the Albion!!!![/p][/quote]If selling now, means we should then immediately begin the buying process, then, in principle, I'm against that until a new manager can input into the identity of new signings. That approach does put pressure on the decision makers to appoint accurately and efficiently which makes it all a delicate balancing act but, as senior executives, that's what they're paid for. I firmly believe that, in this situation, you should conduct as little business as possible until an integral part of the longer term process is installed - the manager. It also sends out a message to us the fans, that the manager really does have say in these matters. But it can never be an exact science and I accept that sometimes you just have to act. The current team of decision makers are clearly not dummies and they'll probably judge any issue on it's isolated merits. But for me, the less we can do in the meantime, the better.[/p][/quote]Albion in staffs, Reading what you have posted makes sense, cheers!! Hope manager is in place soon then, Up the Albion!! JeffLomer
  • Score: -3

8:33am Wed 28 May 14

kipper12 says...

this is all so similar to the close season last year !!
no manager , specuation about whether a decent player will go or not ( bridcutt ) , unrest about the players released , annoyance that the decent players we had on loan are not being signed again ( bridge ) ........ but then what happened ?? we got oscar and got to the playoffs again !! have faith in TB and im sure he will get us another decent manager with an eye for success and some players worthy of wearing the stripes , then hopefully one step further next season....... but we do need it sorted asap .... KEEP THE FAITH FOLKS !!!!!!! UTA !!
this is all so similar to the close season last year !! no manager , specuation about whether a decent player will go or not ( bridcutt ) , unrest about the players released , annoyance that the decent players we had on loan are not being signed again ( bridge ) ........ but then what happened ?? we got oscar and got to the playoffs again !! have faith in TB and im sure he will get us another decent manager with an eye for success and some players worthy of wearing the stripes , then hopefully one step further next season....... but we do need it sorted asap .... KEEP THE FAITH FOLKS !!!!!!! UTA !! kipper12
  • Score: 4

8:45am Wed 28 May 14

WisdomSpeaks says...

Far gull wrote:
AlfieT wrote:
Far gull wrote:
Let him go when price is right ? Only spent an age trying to get him in the first place ?
Oh well we will have a first team of complete novices at this rate ( Bruno ,Greer, Calde and Cms aside). Cardiff sign Macheda by the time we have appionted a manager then Burke has considered their possible signings over budget we will be left 'shopping'for players at the pound store.
Miserable weather and news at present.
World cup will give some light relief am sure !!!!
Had we landed Grabban it would be us raiding the Championship clubs for their prized assets, TK and Upson gone, Leo possibly on his way, hope the incumbent is up for a challenge, only a few weeks until pre season, never a dull moment supporting our beloved Club, UTA :-)
Yep , almost would have prefered last season to have perversly been a mid table,players out of the spot light season.
Which actually would have been a more realistic placing and after the previous end of season ending badly would have given us a better position going forward this season ref Cms /Leo playing together and a more natural squad evolution than, where we find ourselves now. Cannot see unless Sherwood appointed and he brings Dawson , Freddiel and a few others ,well more than an average season in prospect even two or three.
I do struggle why to get why we take so long to do anything manager or player wise. Gus ended up buying on deadline day !!
This is or seems a common problem with us.
You've hit the nail on the head........always look for 'repeating patterns' and then you understand what's going wrong. I'm the first to acknowledge that what TB has done financially in building us a fabulous stadium and training ground and even funding the club before he ever became owner and chairman.

However the one thing which now seems clear is that many areas of the club were so top heavy and over staffed and now they're having to cut costs in many areas. Both our last managers experienced problems with recruitment and in Oscar's words - there were too many people involved.

The cleanest, most cost efficient and superbly effective recruitment process, IMHO, is Chairman/Owner only communicates with Manager/Head Coach as to who Manager would like. Chairman talks direct to players' Chairman about price and what existing salary is, if all is within mandated budget from the Board, player meets privately with Manager and then Chairman to agree terms. Player signs. Board, Press and public are informed. In that order!!!!

Information released must be on a 'need to know' only basis. So much ego gets involved the more people are 'in the know' because 'information is POWER'! Football Clubs and the industry generally are notoriously heavy with massive egos. If everyone involved would keep their focus on one question 'What's best for the club' in every action and decision and lay personal ego aside - things would run much more smoothly.

I'm fully aware that there are agents and stuff like that but I still believe it could be handled so much better with fewer people involved. I like watching the way Liverpool always did their business and, interestingly, under Brendan Rogers, seem to be returning to that.

With less than 30 days left to training - I hope this delay in appointing a new manager isn't suffering from the same 'pattern' and we end up with Nathan in charge! He certainly seemed to enjoy doing interviews last season - far too much for an assistant coach I thought.
[quote][p][bold]Far gull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AlfieT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Far gull[/bold] wrote: Let him go when price is right ? Only spent an age trying to get him in the first place ? Oh well we will have a first team of complete novices at this rate ( Bruno ,Greer, Calde and Cms aside). Cardiff sign Macheda by the time we have appionted a manager then Burke has considered their possible signings over budget we will be left 'shopping'for players at the pound store. Miserable weather and news at present. World cup will give some light relief am sure !!!![/p][/quote]Had we landed Grabban it would be us raiding the Championship clubs for their prized assets, TK and Upson gone, Leo possibly on his way, hope the incumbent is up for a challenge, only a few weeks until pre season, never a dull moment supporting our beloved Club, UTA :-)[/p][/quote]Yep , almost would have prefered last season to have perversly been a mid table,players out of the spot light season. Which actually would have been a more realistic placing and after the previous end of season ending badly would have given us a better position going forward this season ref Cms /Leo playing together and a more natural squad evolution than, where we find ourselves now. Cannot see unless Sherwood appointed and he brings Dawson , Freddiel and a few others ,well more than an average season in prospect even two or three. I do struggle why to get why we take so long to do anything manager or player wise. Gus ended up buying on deadline day !! This is or seems a common problem with us.[/p][/quote]You've hit the nail on the head........always look for 'repeating patterns' and then you understand what's going wrong. I'm the first to acknowledge that what TB has done financially in building us a fabulous stadium and training ground and even funding the club before he ever became owner and chairman. However the one thing which now seems clear is that many areas of the club were so top heavy and over staffed and now they're having to cut costs in many areas. Both our last managers experienced problems with recruitment and in Oscar's words - there were too many people involved. The cleanest, most cost efficient and superbly effective recruitment process, IMHO, is Chairman/Owner only communicates with Manager/Head Coach as to who Manager would like. Chairman talks direct to players' Chairman about price and what existing salary is, if all is within mandated budget from the Board, player meets privately with Manager and then Chairman to agree terms. Player signs. Board, Press and public are informed. In that order!!!! Information released must be on a 'need to know' only basis. So much ego gets involved the more people are 'in the know' because 'information is POWER'! Football Clubs and the industry generally are notoriously heavy with massive egos. If everyone involved would keep their focus on one question 'What's best for the club' in every action and decision and lay personal ego aside - things would run much more smoothly. I'm fully aware that there are agents and stuff like that but I still believe it could be handled so much better with fewer people involved. I like watching the way Liverpool always did their business and, interestingly, under Brendan Rogers, seem to be returning to that. With less than 30 days left to training - I hope this delay in appointing a new manager isn't suffering from the same 'pattern' and we end up with Nathan in charge! He certainly seemed to enjoy doing interviews last season - far too much for an assistant coach I thought. WisdomSpeaks
  • Score: 10

8:58am Wed 28 May 14

Albion In Staffs says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Gus statement of 12 months ago regarding hitting the ceiling was clearly spot on, for those that defend the club over this comment it's normal to add the "5 year plan" as part of the defence, sorry we are going backwards ,
We were told we had quality applicants two weeks ago, and the club surely should have second guessed OG was going?
If this was palace we would be laughing at the shambles ..
We are going to appoint a coach but call him manager ? Is my favourite of the last few weeks.
Agree with your second paragraph. The rumours of OG's dissatisfaction were growing as the season concluded, so you'd expect a contingency to have been in place. Even so, if high quality candidates applied after OG left, identification of suitability should have been relatively straightforward.
UNLESS (and there many more possibilities) there are outstanding contractual issues with someone already identified which would automatically slow the process, or we couldn't make an official approach to our own Chosen One until play-offs or cup finals were over. I'm not necessarily thinking of anyone specific when I say this, but for example, what if Neil Lennon's contract at Celtic has a couple of elements in that would be compromised if he walks into a new job straightaway? There could always be a reason and I wouldn't expect the club to tell us right now if there was.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: Gus statement of 12 months ago regarding hitting the ceiling was clearly spot on, for those that defend the club over this comment it's normal to add the "5 year plan" as part of the defence, sorry we are going backwards , We were told we had quality applicants two weeks ago, and the club surely should have second guessed OG was going? If this was palace we would be laughing at the shambles .. We are going to appoint a coach but call him manager ? Is my favourite of the last few weeks.[/p][/quote]Agree with your second paragraph. The rumours of OG's dissatisfaction were growing as the season concluded, so you'd expect a contingency to have been in place. Even so, if high quality candidates applied after OG left, identification of suitability should have been relatively straightforward. UNLESS (and there many more possibilities) there are outstanding contractual issues with someone already identified which would automatically slow the process, or we couldn't make an official approach to our own Chosen One until play-offs or cup finals were over. I'm not necessarily thinking of anyone specific when I say this, but for example, what if Neil Lennon's contract at Celtic has a couple of elements in that would be compromised if he walks into a new job straightaway? There could always be a reason and I wouldn't expect the club to tell us right now if there was. Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 0

9:15am Wed 28 May 14

Baldseagull says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Gus statement of 12 months ago regarding hitting the ceiling was clearly spot on, for those that defend the club over this comment it's normal to add the "5 year plan" as part of the defence, sorry we are going backwards ,
We were told we had quality applicants two weeks ago, and the club surely should have second guessed OG was going?
If this was palace we would be laughing at the shambles ..
We are going to appoint a coach but call him manager ? Is my favourite of the last few weeks.
Garcia leaving is disappointing but we are not going backwards. Most clubs are cutting their budgets from previous years, those that aren't either have parachute payments, are gambling on FFP being toothless or were already on a small budget.
The club not giving the manager the reigns in the transfer market looks wise when a manager walks out after just 12 months, we could be stuck with his signings for 3 years.
In January we will see the FFP sanctions imposed, until then we have to be prudent, after that we might have a strong hand in the transfer market.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: Gus statement of 12 months ago regarding hitting the ceiling was clearly spot on, for those that defend the club over this comment it's normal to add the "5 year plan" as part of the defence, sorry we are going backwards , We were told we had quality applicants two weeks ago, and the club surely should have second guessed OG was going? If this was palace we would be laughing at the shambles .. We are going to appoint a coach but call him manager ? Is my favourite of the last few weeks.[/p][/quote]Garcia leaving is disappointing but we are not going backwards. Most clubs are cutting their budgets from previous years, those that aren't either have parachute payments, are gambling on FFP being toothless or were already on a small budget. The club not giving the manager the reigns in the transfer market looks wise when a manager walks out after just 12 months, we could be stuck with his signings for 3 years. In January we will see the FFP sanctions imposed, until then we have to be prudent, after that we might have a strong hand in the transfer market. Baldseagull
  • Score: 4

9:21am Wed 28 May 14

Joel'sGrandad says...

Patience people.
In any auction the price goes up if there is more than one bidder. So far we've only got Leicester. I expect Gus is watching this very carefully and will enter the fray at some point as will others. Then we may well get a very good price.
I don't expect anything to happen until we have the new manager in and know what his plans are. In the end I really hope Leo stays and spearheads our push for automatic promotion. I really have had a skin full of the play offs.
UTA
Patience people. In any auction the price goes up if there is more than one bidder. So far we've only got Leicester. I expect Gus is watching this very carefully and will enter the fray at some point as will others. Then we may well get a very good price. I don't expect anything to happen until we have the new manager in and know what his plans are. In the end I really hope Leo stays and spearheads our push for automatic promotion. I really have had a skin full of the play offs. UTA Joel'sGrandad
  • Score: 4

9:27am Wed 28 May 14

WisdomSpeaks says...

You've hit the nail on the head........always look for 'repeating patterns' and then you understand what's going wrong. I'm the first to acknowledge that what TB has done financially in building us a fabulous stadium and training ground and even funding the club before he ever became owner and chairman.

However the one thing which now seems clear is that many areas of the club were so top heavy and over staffed and now they're having to cut costs in many areas. Both our last managers experienced problems with recruitment and in Oscar's words - there were too many people involved.

The cleanest, most cost efficient and superbly effective recruitment process, IMHO, is Chairman/Owner only communicates with Manager/Head Coach as to who Manager would like. Chairman talks direct to players' Chairman about price and what existing salary is, if all is within mandated budget from the Board, player meets privately with Manager and then Chairman to agree terms. Player signs. Board, Press and public are informed. In that order!!!!

Information released must be on a 'need to know' only basis. So much ego gets involved the more people are 'in the know' because 'information is POWER'! Football Clubs and the industry generally are notoriously heavy with massive egos. If everyone involved would keep their focus on one question 'What's best for the club' in every action and decision and lay personal ego aside - things would run much more smoothly.

I'm fully aware that there are agents and stuff like that but I still believe it could be handled so much better with fewer people involved. I like watching the way Liverpool always did their business and, interestingly, under Brendan Rogers, seem to be returning to that.

With less than 30 days left to training - I hope this delay in appointing a new manager isn't suffering from the same 'pattern' and we end up with Nathan in charge! He certainly seemed to enjoy doing interviews last season - far too much for an assistant coach I thought.
You've hit the nail on the head........always look for 'repeating patterns' and then you understand what's going wrong. I'm the first to acknowledge that what TB has done financially in building us a fabulous stadium and training ground and even funding the club before he ever became owner and chairman. However the one thing which now seems clear is that many areas of the club were so top heavy and over staffed and now they're having to cut costs in many areas. Both our last managers experienced problems with recruitment and in Oscar's words - there were too many people involved. The cleanest, most cost efficient and superbly effective recruitment process, IMHO, is Chairman/Owner only communicates with Manager/Head Coach as to who Manager would like. Chairman talks direct to players' Chairman about price and what existing salary is, if all is within mandated budget from the Board, player meets privately with Manager and then Chairman to agree terms. Player signs. Board, Press and public are informed. In that order!!!! Information released must be on a 'need to know' only basis. So much ego gets involved the more people are 'in the know' because 'information is POWER'! Football Clubs and the industry generally are notoriously heavy with massive egos. If everyone involved would keep their focus on one question 'What's best for the club' in every action and decision and lay personal ego aside - things would run much more smoothly. I'm fully aware that there are agents and stuff like that but I still believe it could be handled so much better with fewer people involved. I like watching the way Liverpool always did their business and, interestingly, under Brendan Rogers, seem to be returning to that. With less than 30 days left to training - I hope this delay in appointing a new manager isn't suffering from the same 'pattern' and we end up with Nathan in charge! He certainly seemed to enjoy doing interviews last season - far too much for an assistant coach I thought. WisdomSpeaks
  • Score: -4

9:28am Wed 28 May 14

Peteinblack says...

Considering our difficulty in signing players so far this year (Grabban, Conway,Mason), and the fact that we sold Barnes, Upson has gone and PIG won't be in goal next season, I fear we are really going to struggle next season; I'm finding it hard to muster any enthusiasm for next season.

Mid-table mediocrity might be an achievement!
Considering our difficulty in signing players so far this year (Grabban, Conway,Mason), and the fact that we sold Barnes, Upson has gone and PIG won't be in goal next season, I fear we are really going to struggle next season; I'm finding it hard to muster any enthusiasm for next season. Mid-table mediocrity might be an achievement! Peteinblack
  • Score: 0

9:31am Wed 28 May 14

Albion In Staffs says...

Baldseagull wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Gus statement of 12 months ago regarding hitting the ceiling was clearly spot on, for those that defend the club over this comment it's normal to add the "5 year plan" as part of the defence, sorry we are going backwards ,
We were told we had quality applicants two weeks ago, and the club surely should have second guessed OG was going?
If this was palace we would be laughing at the shambles ..
We are going to appoint a coach but call him manager ? Is my favourite of the last few weeks.
Garcia leaving is disappointing but we are not going backwards. Most clubs are cutting their budgets from previous years, those that aren't either have parachute payments, are gambling on FFP being toothless or were already on a small budget.
The club not giving the manager the reigns in the transfer market looks wise when a manager walks out after just 12 months, we could be stuck with his signings for 3 years.
In January we will see the FFP sanctions imposed, until then we have to be prudent, after that we might have a strong hand in the transfer market.
It's a very good point regarding the line of succession and consistency.
Too often across the whole of football, a manager is given full reign, brings in his own staff and completely changes the culture of the club - only for the process to be repeated too soon. It's clear we don't want that to happen and while I have certain reservations, there is definite logic to long term strategy.
My reservation hinges around making sure the manager feels engaged in the process and that's the secret but your point is extremely valid.
[quote][p][bold]Baldseagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: Gus statement of 12 months ago regarding hitting the ceiling was clearly spot on, for those that defend the club over this comment it's normal to add the "5 year plan" as part of the defence, sorry we are going backwards , We were told we had quality applicants two weeks ago, and the club surely should have second guessed OG was going? If this was palace we would be laughing at the shambles .. We are going to appoint a coach but call him manager ? Is my favourite of the last few weeks.[/p][/quote]Garcia leaving is disappointing but we are not going backwards. Most clubs are cutting their budgets from previous years, those that aren't either have parachute payments, are gambling on FFP being toothless or were already on a small budget. The club not giving the manager the reigns in the transfer market looks wise when a manager walks out after just 12 months, we could be stuck with his signings for 3 years. In January we will see the FFP sanctions imposed, until then we have to be prudent, after that we might have a strong hand in the transfer market.[/p][/quote]It's a very good point regarding the line of succession and consistency. Too often across the whole of football, a manager is given full reign, brings in his own staff and completely changes the culture of the club - only for the process to be repeated too soon. It's clear we don't want that to happen and while I have certain reservations, there is definite logic to long term strategy. My reservation hinges around making sure the manager feels engaged in the process and that's the secret but your point is extremely valid. Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 1

9:46am Wed 28 May 14

ringtone says...

Singing Seagull, Indonesia wrote:
Glad to hear we have rejected three bids - but if, as implied, £3m is their best of three offers then none of them will have caused us to even think about it. They may well up their offer to an acceptable level in due course, and that's when things may become more interesting. Hopefully this won't happen until we have a new manager installed so that he can have his own input to the transaction (including targets for replacing the Man From Argentina). In the meantime, IMHO, we should continue to reject all offers. Even Leo himsel will surely understand that doesn't mean it won't happen, but that it must happen at a price and at a time to suit BHA. We hold the strings on this one and Leicester (or anyone else who cares to pitch in) must wait until we are ready before expecting anything. In the meantime, their need becomes more urgent and others may join the race for what is a rare commodity - a strong frontman with good PL potential.

Keep laying the cards down Leicester, by all means, but remember that he who holds the prize owns the prize, and you are dealing with a master player in TB.

UTA!!
I dont blame Leicester for bidding low,you have to look at our recent transfer dealings to see what a soft touch we are.

Murray- free transfer- 30 goals- Palace premiership riches

Ashley Barnes- £900,000- striker- Burnley premiership riches

Liam Bridcutt-£2.5 million- club stay up- Sunderland premiership riches

British players should attract a premium, but not here

Master player, LOL
[quote][p][bold]Singing Seagull, Indonesia[/bold] wrote: Glad to hear we have rejected three bids - but if, as implied, £3m is their best of three offers then none of them will have caused us to even think about it. They may well up their offer to an acceptable level in due course, and that's when things may become more interesting. Hopefully this won't happen until we have a new manager installed so that he can have his own input to the transaction (including targets for replacing the Man From Argentina). In the meantime, IMHO, we should continue to reject all offers. Even Leo himsel will surely understand that doesn't mean it won't happen, but that it must happen at a price and at a time to suit BHA. We hold the strings on this one and Leicester (or anyone else who cares to pitch in) must wait until we are ready before expecting anything. In the meantime, their need becomes more urgent and others may join the race for what is a rare commodity - a strong frontman with good PL potential. Keep laying the cards down Leicester, by all means, but remember that he who holds the prize owns the prize, and you are dealing with a master player in TB. UTA!![/p][/quote]I dont blame Leicester for bidding low,you have to look at our recent transfer dealings to see what a soft touch we are. Murray- free transfer- 30 goals- Palace premiership riches Ashley Barnes- £900,000- striker- Burnley premiership riches Liam Bridcutt-£2.5 million- club stay up- Sunderland premiership riches British players should attract a premium, but not here Master player, LOL ringtone
  • Score: -1

10:06am Wed 28 May 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

I wonder if the club are just saying "no" to each successive bid, or have said "no, we're not accepting less than £8m". Even better though would be "not for sale, go away".

Although it seem inevitable that Ulloa will go I worry about how we will find a replacement. As someone else said above, we could end up spending a large chunk of the sale price on another striker who will be unproven within our system, whatever that may be next season, in which case we'll be more likely to be worse off than last season.

Far better to keep Ulloa by whatever means necessary, even if that means renegotiating his contract. He's happy in the area by all accounts, let's make sure he's happy with the club and its direction/ambition.
I wonder if the club are just saying "no" to each successive bid, or have said "no, we're not accepting less than £8m". Even better though would be "not for sale, go away". Although it seem inevitable that Ulloa will go I worry about how we will find a replacement. As someone else said above, we could end up spending a large chunk of the sale price on another striker who will be unproven within our system, whatever that may be next season, in which case we'll be more likely to be worse off than last season. Far better to keep Ulloa by whatever means necessary, even if that means renegotiating his contract. He's happy in the area by all accounts, let's make sure he's happy with the club and its direction/ambition. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 7

10:07am Wed 28 May 14

peterpan32 says...

Really hoping for the long awaited appointment to be made soon. Spurs haven't wasted anytime getting someone in, Charlton haven't wasted anytime either. Maybe all the applicants we have had have changed their minds and all want the easiest. Job in the world up at Celtic.

leo will go at some point, just as long as it isn't deadline day leaving no time to get anyone to replace him, which i can see happening.
Really hoping for the long awaited appointment to be made soon. Spurs haven't wasted anytime getting someone in, Charlton haven't wasted anytime either. Maybe all the applicants we have had have changed their minds and all want the easiest. Job in the world up at Celtic. leo will go at some point, just as long as it isn't deadline day leaving no time to get anyone to replace him, which i can see happening. peterpan32
  • Score: 0

10:09am Wed 28 May 14

B rian Tawses left foot says...

Peteinblack says...

Considering our difficulty in signing players so far this year (Grabban, Conway,Mason), and the fact that we sold Barnes, Upson has gone and PIG won't be in goal next season, I fear we are really going to struggle next season; I'm finding it hard to muster any enthusiasm for next season.

Mid-table mediocrity might be an achievement!

It's only being so cheerful as keeps you going.
Peteinblack says... Considering our difficulty in signing players so far this year (Grabban, Conway,Mason), and the fact that we sold Barnes, Upson has gone and PIG won't be in goal next season, I fear we are really going to struggle next season; I'm finding it hard to muster any enthusiasm for next season. Mid-table mediocrity might be an achievement! It's only being so cheerful as keeps you going. B rian Tawses left foot
  • Score: -3

10:18am Wed 28 May 14

Jonathan Mouette says...

Message for Leicester : Don't ask the club, ask Ulloa. Dou you want to fight for promotion and live near Brighton with all the area has to offer or would you like to come to Leicester, with all that this town has to offer (ha! ha!) and join our forthcoming relegation fight.

I don't think it matters how much you offer, LCFC, some things have no price...!!!
Message for Leicester : Don't ask the club, ask Ulloa. Dou you want to fight for promotion and live near Brighton with all the area has to offer or would you like to come to Leicester, with all that this town has to offer (ha! ha!) and join our forthcoming relegation fight. I don't think it matters how much you offer, LCFC, some things have no price...!!! Jonathan Mouette
  • Score: -3

10:45am Wed 28 May 14

Piglet1 says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Gus statement of 12 months ago regarding hitting the ceiling was clearly spot on, for those that defend the club over this comment it's normal to add the "5 year plan" as part of the defence, sorry we are going backwards ,
We were told we had quality applicants two weeks ago, and the club surely should have second guessed OG was going?
If this was palace we would be laughing at the shambles ..
We are going to appoint a coach but call him manager ? Is my favourite of the last few weeks.
Why are you always so miserable even when you actually know nothing of what is going on behind the scenes. Why don't you take a positive approach and applaud the fact we have rejected three bids and we are demanding due diligence in appointing a manager. I think those two facts are reason to be upbeat.
I seem to recall you described yourself as half glass full sort of person, I think you need to revisit that statement.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: Gus statement of 12 months ago regarding hitting the ceiling was clearly spot on, for those that defend the club over this comment it's normal to add the "5 year plan" as part of the defence, sorry we are going backwards , We were told we had quality applicants two weeks ago, and the club surely should have second guessed OG was going? If this was palace we would be laughing at the shambles .. We are going to appoint a coach but call him manager ? Is my favourite of the last few weeks.[/p][/quote]Why are you always so miserable even when you actually know nothing of what is going on behind the scenes. Why don't you take a positive approach and applaud the fact we have rejected three bids and we are demanding due diligence in appointing a manager. I think those two facts are reason to be upbeat. I seem to recall you described yourself as half glass full sort of person, I think you need to revisit that statement. Piglet1
  • Score: 8

11:34am Wed 28 May 14

Weploughandmow says...

If it were done when 'tis done, then 'twere well It were done quickly.
If it were done when 'tis done, then 'twere well It were done quickly. Weploughandmow
  • Score: 3

11:37am Wed 28 May 14

Conelli98 says...

JeffLomer wrote:
Conelli98 wrote:
Sell him quick for £7m, no less. Get manager in ASAP and let him build his squad with available funds right now. SHERWOOD will be manager by tea time today. SORTED!⚽️⚽️
Thought you said yesterday Phil Neville and Lennon were getting the job, talk some sense,
Up the Albion!!!
Said they were holding talks!!! DOES THAT MAKE SENSE or do I need to explain process of holding interviews for job vacancies!
[quote][p][bold]JeffLomer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Conelli98[/bold] wrote: Sell him quick for £7m, no less. Get manager in ASAP and let him build his squad with available funds right now. SHERWOOD will be manager by tea time today. SORTED!⚽️⚽️[/p][/quote]Thought you said yesterday Phil Neville and Lennon were getting the job, talk some sense, Up the Albion!!![/p][/quote]Said they were holding talks!!! DOES THAT MAKE SENSE or do I need to explain process of holding interviews for job vacancies! Conelli98
  • Score: -1

11:58am Wed 28 May 14

dave from bexill says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
I wonder if the club are just saying "no" to each successive bid, or have said "no, we're not accepting less than £8m". Even better though would be "not for sale, go away".

Although it seem inevitable that Ulloa will go I worry about how we will find a replacement. As someone else said above, we could end up spending a large chunk of the sale price on another striker who will be unproven within our system, whatever that may be next season, in which case we'll be more likely to be worse off than last season.

Far better to keep Ulloa by whatever means necessary, even if that means renegotiating his contract. He's happy in the area by all accounts, let's make sure he's happy with the club and its direction/ambition.
Absolutely agree Arnie. It took ages to find and secure a striker of Leo's calibre and any sale would in my view be a backwards step. I know how tight and important finances are, but to make progress on the playing side, we have to try and keep our best players. In my view the squad was weaker during the season just finished than it was in the previous season and at this point, particularly after the sale of Bridcutt, the loss of Ward and the likely loss of Pig and Leo, the squad looks even weaker, even though the coaching staff did so well in bringing through Ince, Solly and JFC.
I'm a (very)long time supporter, so I'd never discount the great things that have happened at the club over the last few years, just concerned a bit that we may have hit the infamous glass ceiling, even if it's only temporary. UTA
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: I wonder if the club are just saying "no" to each successive bid, or have said "no, we're not accepting less than £8m". Even better though would be "not for sale, go away". Although it seem inevitable that Ulloa will go I worry about how we will find a replacement. As someone else said above, we could end up spending a large chunk of the sale price on another striker who will be unproven within our system, whatever that may be next season, in which case we'll be more likely to be worse off than last season. Far better to keep Ulloa by whatever means necessary, even if that means renegotiating his contract. He's happy in the area by all accounts, let's make sure he's happy with the club and its direction/ambition.[/p][/quote]Absolutely agree Arnie. It took ages to find and secure a striker of Leo's calibre and any sale would in my view be a backwards step. I know how tight and important finances are, but to make progress on the playing side, we have to try and keep our best players. In my view the squad was weaker during the season just finished than it was in the previous season and at this point, particularly after the sale of Bridcutt, the loss of Ward and the likely loss of Pig and Leo, the squad looks even weaker, even though the coaching staff did so well in bringing through Ince, Solly and JFC. I'm a (very)long time supporter, so I'd never discount the great things that have happened at the club over the last few years, just concerned a bit that we may have hit the infamous glass ceiling, even if it's only temporary. UTA dave from bexill
  • Score: 7

12:45pm Wed 28 May 14

Conelli98 says...

Three defenders are being released by Palarse...Gabbidon, Moxey and Parr. Would you take any of them?
Three defenders are being released by Palarse...Gabbidon, Moxey and Parr. Would you take any of them? Conelli98
  • Score: 4

12:48pm Wed 28 May 14

the taffster says...

Its a bit naive of fans to assume that the money gained through the sale of ulloa will be spent on new players....the club are 16 million in debt.so I reckon it will pay off debts....ulloa is class,and he is just the type of player we should be trying to keep if we want to gain promotion....its not his fault he doesn't get enough service from an ordinary midfield...shame Vicente isn't. Here still...we couldnt replace Barnes when he left....ulloa is going to be a bigger void to fill... And tell me.....with 5/7million pound (if it was available to spend). Who's better for the money available at present...
Its a bit naive of fans to assume that the money gained through the sale of ulloa will be spent on new players....the club are 16 million in debt.so I reckon it will pay off debts....ulloa is class,and he is just the type of player we should be trying to keep if we want to gain promotion....its not his fault he doesn't get enough service from an ordinary midfield...shame Vicente isn't. Here still...we couldnt replace Barnes when he left....ulloa is going to be a bigger void to fill... And tell me.....with 5/7million pound (if it was available to spend). Who's better for the money available at present... the taffster
  • Score: 0

1:00pm Wed 28 May 14

bbb1969 says...

Can't understand Leicester wanting Ulloa; they have Nugent who is very similar to Ulloa, lacks tha same touch but Nugent has more pace.
Then they have woods who is another taget man; I think even if the price is right that Ulloas game time will be reducedreduced and he needs to think hard.
I think he will stay unless another pl club comes in or silly miney is offered.
The only issue I have is the defense, we can just about manage at left and rightback even if Ward does not sign but to have 2 centre backs, one aged the other developing does not help. Ince may have to fill in at CB but not the best solution.
Maybe the ds lads signed may be the way forward but cannot sinply throw them in the deep end although we may have no choice. Currentky 155 free players from the pl so easy ti negotiate wages unless Cole, Lampard, the other Cole and there's also Barry.
Can't understand Leicester wanting Ulloa; they have Nugent who is very similar to Ulloa, lacks tha same touch but Nugent has more pace. Then they have woods who is another taget man; I think even if the price is right that Ulloas game time will be reducedreduced and he needs to think hard. I think he will stay unless another pl club comes in or silly miney is offered. The only issue I have is the defense, we can just about manage at left and rightback even if Ward does not sign but to have 2 centre backs, one aged the other developing does not help. Ince may have to fill in at CB but not the best solution. Maybe the ds lads signed may be the way forward but cannot sinply throw them in the deep end although we may have no choice. Currentky 155 free players from the pl so easy ti negotiate wages unless Cole, Lampard, the other Cole and there's also Barry. bbb1969
  • Score: 0

1:14pm Wed 28 May 14

Claude Back says...

Weploughandmow wrote:
If it were done when 'tis done, then 'twere well It were done quickly.
Thank you, Milord, and very true in most circumstances when murder is contemplated. . ;-)
However, I think TB knows it should be done a.s.a.p. but often it's not easy to get everything you want quickly.
[quote][p][bold]Weploughandmow[/bold] wrote: If it were done when 'tis done, then 'twere well It were done quickly.[/p][/quote]Thank you, Milord, and very true in most circumstances when murder is contemplated. . ;-) However, I think TB knows it should be done a.s.a.p. but often it's not easy to get everything you want quickly. Claude Back
  • Score: 6

1:22pm Wed 28 May 14

VegasSeagull says...

I think I am in a very small minority when I say, 'I don't see a problem with Ulloa being sold,' and, 'at this time I don't see a problem with us not having a manager.'

To my way of thinking Ulloa should go if the price is right, and if the much touted valuation figure of 7 million is right, that is where we should start the bidding process. I don't see Ulloa doing a, 'Bridcutt,' but if we did block his move I think it only natural that it would have some effect on the player. To give of your best you must be happy at the place where you are plying your trade no matter what that trade might be.
A sale north of 7 million would represent a very good bit of business for the club and it would strengthen the hand of our new manager IF, the money was ploughed back into the squad improvement task, and I think it will be.

If we are to attract the right manager that person is going to want a decent transfer kitty, selling Ulloa for a price that we just can't say no to, could make the difference when decision time comes for our targeted man. Tell Sherwood that he has to struggle with 5 million for transfers and he might say no thanks, give him upwards of 12 million, even if that means losing Leo, and he just might say yes.

Last season we did not spend all that we could have, the failed Grabban deal proves that. The 3 million required cut in losses was taken care of before we sold any players. There must be money left in the kitty from last season and some of that money needs to be added to this years transfer budget, we could be at 7 million before any offer for Ulloa is accepted. It is not beyond the realms of possibility, if the club holds out regarding Ulloa's price and reinvests, to see our new manager have maybe 14 or 15 million to spend.

A new guy installed to manage the club with 25 days to the start of training, and with a darn good war chest for players, that would get my interest level elevated.
I think I am in a very small minority when I say, 'I don't see a problem with Ulloa being sold,' and, 'at this time I don't see a problem with us not having a manager.' To my way of thinking Ulloa should go if the price is right, and if the much touted valuation figure of 7 million is right, that is where we should start the bidding process. I don't see Ulloa doing a, 'Bridcutt,' but if we did block his move I think it only natural that it would have some effect on the player. To give of your best you must be happy at the place where you are plying your trade no matter what that trade might be. A sale north of 7 million would represent a very good bit of business for the club and it would strengthen the hand of our new manager IF, the money was ploughed back into the squad improvement task, and I think it will be. If we are to attract the right manager that person is going to want a decent transfer kitty, selling Ulloa for a price that we just can't say no to, could make the difference when decision time comes for our targeted man. Tell Sherwood that he has to struggle with 5 million for transfers and he might say no thanks, give him upwards of 12 million, even if that means losing Leo, and he just might say yes. Last season we did not spend all that we could have, the failed Grabban deal proves that. The 3 million required cut in losses was taken care of before we sold any players. There must be money left in the kitty from last season and some of that money needs to be added to this years transfer budget, we could be at 7 million before any offer for Ulloa is accepted. It is not beyond the realms of possibility, if the club holds out regarding Ulloa's price and reinvests, to see our new manager have maybe 14 or 15 million to spend. A new guy installed to manage the club with 25 days to the start of training, and with a darn good war chest for players, that would get my interest level elevated. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 0

1:28pm Wed 28 May 14

tinker111 says...

Latest new's Sunderland in for Ulloa how good is that Gus will get him.
Latest new's Sunderland in for Ulloa how good is that Gus will get him. tinker111
  • Score: -7

1:34pm Wed 28 May 14

rolivan says...

tinker111 wrote:
Latest new's Sunderland in for Ulloa how good is that Gus will get him.
So will Leo go to Sunderland and then transfer to Southampton with Gus when he goes there.
[quote][p][bold]tinker111[/bold] wrote: Latest new's Sunderland in for Ulloa how good is that Gus will get him.[/p][/quote]So will Leo go to Sunderland and then transfer to Southampton with Gus when he goes there. rolivan
  • Score: 3

1:39pm Wed 28 May 14

VegasSeagull says...

tinker111 wrote:
Latest new's Sunderland in for Ulloa how good is that Gus will get him.
The more that come in for Ulloa the more chance there is that we get our price. I would like to see the likes of, Stoke or Newcastle come in, get one or two real safe prem clubs join the bidding war.
[quote][p][bold]tinker111[/bold] wrote: Latest new's Sunderland in for Ulloa how good is that Gus will get him.[/p][/quote]The more that come in for Ulloa the more chance there is that we get our price. I would like to see the likes of, Stoke or Newcastle come in, get one or two real safe prem clubs join the bidding war. VegasSeagull
  • Score: -3

1:55pm Wed 28 May 14

East of CrawleyDown says...

the taffster wrote:
Its a bit naive of fans to assume that the money gained through the sale of ulloa will be spent on new players....the club are 16 million in debt.so I reckon it will pay off debts....ulloa is class,and he is just the type of player we should be trying to keep if we want to gain promotion....its not his fault he doesn't get enough service from an ordinary midfield...shame Vicente isn't. Here still...we couldnt replace Barnes when he left....ulloa is going to be a bigger void to fill... And tell me.....with 5/7million pound (if it was available to spend). Who's better for the money available at present...
Ross Mcormack at leeds, reckon we could get him for 5-7 million or even less, that's the sort of player to replace Ulloa with. The problem is its not just a striker we need, it's almost an entire starting eleven!
[quote][p][bold]the taffster[/bold] wrote: Its a bit naive of fans to assume that the money gained through the sale of ulloa will be spent on new players....the club are 16 million in debt.so I reckon it will pay off debts....ulloa is class,and he is just the type of player we should be trying to keep if we want to gain promotion....its not his fault he doesn't get enough service from an ordinary midfield...shame Vicente isn't. Here still...we couldnt replace Barnes when he left....ulloa is going to be a bigger void to fill... And tell me.....with 5/7million pound (if it was available to spend). Who's better for the money available at present...[/p][/quote]Ross Mcormack at leeds, reckon we could get him for 5-7 million or even less, that's the sort of player to replace Ulloa with. The problem is its not just a striker we need, it's almost an entire starting eleven! East of CrawleyDown
  • Score: -1

1:55pm Wed 28 May 14

pte says...

If Leicester know Brighton want around 10m are not put off by that and are still after Ulloa then they must be prepared to pay it or something near to it. I guess their final offer will be 7-8.5m

I think they will take 8m and sit on the money hoping CMS will give them a year without having to spend before finally going on a Bosman. Or they might decide to sell CMS now if an offer of 3m came in. If they have to sign a striker it will be for 1m, 2m tops
If Leicester know Brighton want around 10m are not put off by that and are still after Ulloa then they must be prepared to pay it or something near to it. I guess their final offer will be 7-8.5m I think they will take 8m and sit on the money hoping CMS will give them a year without having to spend before finally going on a Bosman. Or they might decide to sell CMS now if an offer of 3m came in. If they have to sign a striker it will be for 1m, 2m tops pte
  • Score: -4

2:01pm Wed 28 May 14

VegasSeagull says...

pte wrote:
If Leicester know Brighton want around 10m are not put off by that and are still after Ulloa then they must be prepared to pay it or something near to it. I guess their final offer will be 7-8.5m

I think they will take 8m and sit on the money hoping CMS will give them a year without having to spend before finally going on a Bosman. Or they might decide to sell CMS now if an offer of 3m came in. If they have to sign a striker it will be for 1m, 2m tops
I agree with the first part of your comment, but the second part takes some working out.

Sell Ulloa and we are left with just CMS, so we are two strikers short. Sell Ulloa and CMS, and we have zip, don't see how then signing a single striker for 1 or 2 million works for us.
[quote][p][bold]pte[/bold] wrote: If Leicester know Brighton want around 10m are not put off by that and are still after Ulloa then they must be prepared to pay it or something near to it. I guess their final offer will be 7-8.5m I think they will take 8m and sit on the money hoping CMS will give them a year without having to spend before finally going on a Bosman. Or they might decide to sell CMS now if an offer of 3m came in. If they have to sign a striker it will be for 1m, 2m tops[/p][/quote]I agree with the first part of your comment, but the second part takes some working out. Sell Ulloa and we are left with just CMS, so we are two strikers short. Sell Ulloa and CMS, and we have zip, don't see how then signing a single striker for 1 or 2 million works for us. VegasSeagull
  • Score: -6

2:10pm Wed 28 May 14

Vince says...

If our 5-year plan for Premiership football is still the aim, we cannot achieve that if we sell our best players, and don't invest in quality players because of budget limitations. It's consistently 1 step forward 2 steps backward.

In my view the transfer activity of the club over the last year makes a mockery of any serious talk of us building a team (like Leicester have done over the last 2 years) i.e. one that is ready for the Premiership.

If we continue to be "cheap skates" handing responsibility for team building to the money-men, and failing to keep hold of quality managers frustrated by our 3rd division mentality, the crowds will soon start to dwindle and premiership dreams will fade away just as quickly.

I personally cannot see this club making the premiership for at least another 5/10 years, and it may well be that we will flirt with relegation occasionally in the meantime until the Academy starts to produce some quality players - and this is only a pipe-dream at the moment. Southampton regularly unearthed quality players like Bale, Walcott, Oxlade-Chamberlain - but still sank into the 3rd tier because they had to sell them.

The common factor amongst all successful sides is a quality manager who is ALLOWED to manage. If the Albion continue their current policy of appointing coaches (yes-men) dictated to by the management, the glory days of Gus Poyet will soon be a distant memory, and disillusionment and disappointment will more likely prevail.

Football men - not money men! PLEASE!

Otherwise the AMEX will become EXODODEX- a lovely big empty stadium!
If our 5-year plan for Premiership football is still the aim, we cannot achieve that if we sell our best players, and don't invest in quality players because of budget limitations. It's consistently 1 step forward 2 steps backward. In my view the transfer activity of the club over the last year makes a mockery of any serious talk of us building a team (like Leicester have done over the last 2 years) i.e. one that is ready for the Premiership. If we continue to be "cheap skates" handing responsibility for team building to the money-men, and failing to keep hold of quality managers frustrated by our 3rd division mentality, the crowds will soon start to dwindle and premiership dreams will fade away just as quickly. I personally cannot see this club making the premiership for at least another 5/10 years, and it may well be that we will flirt with relegation occasionally in the meantime until the Academy starts to produce some quality players - and this is only a pipe-dream at the moment. Southampton regularly unearthed quality players like Bale, Walcott, Oxlade-Chamberlain - but still sank into the 3rd tier because they had to sell them. The common factor amongst all successful sides is a quality manager who is ALLOWED to manage. If the Albion continue their current policy of appointing coaches (yes-men) dictated to by the management, the glory days of Gus Poyet will soon be a distant memory, and disillusionment and disappointment will more likely prevail. Football men - not money men! PLEASE! Otherwise the AMEX will become EXODODEX- a lovely big empty stadium! Vince
  • Score: 4

2:10pm Wed 28 May 14

Neville says...

Leicester also looking at foreign strikers,one costing 12m so let's get the full asking price
Leicester also looking at foreign strikers,one costing 12m so let's get the full asking price Neville
  • Score: 4

2:20pm Wed 28 May 14

JeffLomer says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
I think I am in a very small minority when I say, 'I don't see a problem with Ulloa being sold,' and, 'at this time I don't see a problem with us not having a manager.'

To my way of thinking Ulloa should go if the price is right, and if the much touted valuation figure of 7 million is right, that is where we should start the bidding process. I don't see Ulloa doing a, 'Bridcutt,' but if we did block his move I think it only natural that it would have some effect on the player. To give of your best you must be happy at the place where you are plying your trade no matter what that trade might be.
A sale north of 7 million would represent a very good bit of business for the club and it would strengthen the hand of our new manager IF, the money was ploughed back into the squad improvement task, and I think it will be.

If we are to attract the right manager that person is going to want a decent transfer kitty, selling Ulloa for a price that we just can't say no to, could make the difference when decision time comes for our targeted man. Tell Sherwood that he has to struggle with 5 million for transfers and he might say no thanks, give him upwards of 12 million, even if that means losing Leo, and he just might say yes.

Last season we did not spend all that we could have, the failed Grabban deal proves that. The 3 million required cut in losses was taken care of before we sold any players. There must be money left in the kitty from last season and some of that money needs to be added to this years transfer budget, we could be at 7 million before any offer for Ulloa is accepted. It is not beyond the realms of possibility, if the club holds out regarding Ulloa's price and reinvests, to see our new manager have maybe 14 or 15 million to spend.

A new guy installed to manage the club with 25 days to the start of training, and with a darn good war chest for players, that would get my interest level elevated.
I posted the same first this morning and got slaughtered for suggesting the same as what your saying, right price then sell cus we need to looking for some players with or without a manager some people are being knieve thinking he won't leave, it's his job players managers come and go we move on, we don't stop supporting because we have a different manager or new players!!
Up the Albion!!!!
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: I think I am in a very small minority when I say, 'I don't see a problem with Ulloa being sold,' and, 'at this time I don't see a problem with us not having a manager.' To my way of thinking Ulloa should go if the price is right, and if the much touted valuation figure of 7 million is right, that is where we should start the bidding process. I don't see Ulloa doing a, 'Bridcutt,' but if we did block his move I think it only natural that it would have some effect on the player. To give of your best you must be happy at the place where you are plying your trade no matter what that trade might be. A sale north of 7 million would represent a very good bit of business for the club and it would strengthen the hand of our new manager IF, the money was ploughed back into the squad improvement task, and I think it will be. If we are to attract the right manager that person is going to want a decent transfer kitty, selling Ulloa for a price that we just can't say no to, could make the difference when decision time comes for our targeted man. Tell Sherwood that he has to struggle with 5 million for transfers and he might say no thanks, give him upwards of 12 million, even if that means losing Leo, and he just might say yes. Last season we did not spend all that we could have, the failed Grabban deal proves that. The 3 million required cut in losses was taken care of before we sold any players. There must be money left in the kitty from last season and some of that money needs to be added to this years transfer budget, we could be at 7 million before any offer for Ulloa is accepted. It is not beyond the realms of possibility, if the club holds out regarding Ulloa's price and reinvests, to see our new manager have maybe 14 or 15 million to spend. A new guy installed to manage the club with 25 days to the start of training, and with a darn good war chest for players, that would get my interest level elevated.[/p][/quote]I posted the same first this morning and got slaughtered for suggesting the same as what your saying, right price then sell cus we need to looking for some players with or without a manager some people are being knieve thinking he won't leave, it's his job players managers come and go we move on, we don't stop supporting because we have a different manager or new players!! Up the Albion!!!! JeffLomer
  • Score: -8

3:01pm Wed 28 May 14

VegasSeagull says...

Jeff the world of football doesn't end for any club because they sold a gem, not if the many gained allows for two new gems to come in.
As a club we want to play at the top level, so it follows that gems do too, the club is right to hold out for the right money, but they will never be able to say no once the, 'right money,' is on the table, it would be bad business to do so and it wouldn't be right for Ulloa.
If we had the money to be able to say no to a huge offer for a player, then we would also have the money to buy a couple of 3 million pound players, a few more for 1.5 to 2 million, but we don't have that money. The sale of Ulloa could finace the arrival of maybe four new players. Perhaps Ulloa is just, 'too,' good to hold on to, perhaps we SHOULD, sell him for the good of the squad rebuild.
Jeff the world of football doesn't end for any club because they sold a gem, not if the many gained allows for two new gems to come in. As a club we want to play at the top level, so it follows that gems do too, the club is right to hold out for the right money, but they will never be able to say no once the, 'right money,' is on the table, it would be bad business to do so and it wouldn't be right for Ulloa. If we had the money to be able to say no to a huge offer for a player, then we would also have the money to buy a couple of 3 million pound players, a few more for 1.5 to 2 million, but we don't have that money. The sale of Ulloa could finace the arrival of maybe four new players. Perhaps Ulloa is just, 'too,' good to hold on to, perhaps we SHOULD, sell him for the good of the squad rebuild. VegasSeagull
  • Score: -5

3:33pm Wed 28 May 14

VegasSeagull says...

I read an, 'opinion,' this morning, it comes for a Sunderland blog site, that Poyet may come in again for Buckley, the opinion stated that he shouldn't cost too much. The talk, for obvious reasons, is all about Ulloa, but we do have other players of value, both in skills and price.
I read an, 'opinion,' this morning, it comes for a Sunderland blog site, that Poyet may come in again for Buckley, the opinion stated that he shouldn't cost too much. The talk, for obvious reasons, is all about Ulloa, but we do have other players of value, both in skills and price. VegasSeagull
  • Score: -5

3:45pm Wed 28 May 14

Albion In Staffs says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Jeff the world of football doesn't end for any club because they sold a gem, not if the many gained allows for two new gems to come in.
As a club we want to play at the top level, so it follows that gems do too, the club is right to hold out for the right money, but they will never be able to say no once the, 'right money,' is on the table, it would be bad business to do so and it wouldn't be right for Ulloa.
If we had the money to be able to say no to a huge offer for a player, then we would also have the money to buy a couple of 3 million pound players, a few more for 1.5 to 2 million, but we don't have that money. The sale of Ulloa could finace the arrival of maybe four new players. Perhaps Ulloa is just, 'too,' good to hold on to, perhaps we SHOULD, sell him for the good of the squad rebuild.
Vegas, Having taken you to task yesterday, I must agree with your point today. (Wonders will never cease.) and Jeff's too.
I think the realistic view is we don't have the money to build appropriately without off-loading, so I agree we should work on the 1 step back, two forward approach.
That view, in honesty, is also based on the fact that when I've seen him 'live', which is only a handful of times in fairness, he's looked ponderous in terms of open play and to some extent, a square peg in a round hole when it comes to the passing game.
If we're still advocating that as our 'house style' I'd hold out with a view to eventually taking decent dough. I'm certainly not saying he's a poor player because he clearly isn't, but I do think taking advantage of significant interest now, gives us options we otherwise won't have.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Jeff the world of football doesn't end for any club because they sold a gem, not if the many gained allows for two new gems to come in. As a club we want to play at the top level, so it follows that gems do too, the club is right to hold out for the right money, but they will never be able to say no once the, 'right money,' is on the table, it would be bad business to do so and it wouldn't be right for Ulloa. If we had the money to be able to say no to a huge offer for a player, then we would also have the money to buy a couple of 3 million pound players, a few more for 1.5 to 2 million, but we don't have that money. The sale of Ulloa could finace the arrival of maybe four new players. Perhaps Ulloa is just, 'too,' good to hold on to, perhaps we SHOULD, sell him for the good of the squad rebuild.[/p][/quote]Vegas, Having taken you to task yesterday, I must agree with your point today. (Wonders will never cease.) and Jeff's too. I think the realistic view is we don't have the money to build appropriately without off-loading, so I agree we should work on the 1 step back, two forward approach. That view, in honesty, is also based on the fact that when I've seen him 'live', which is only a handful of times in fairness, he's looked ponderous in terms of open play and to some extent, a square peg in a round hole when it comes to the passing game. If we're still advocating that as our 'house style' I'd hold out with a view to eventually taking decent dough. I'm certainly not saying he's a poor player because he clearly isn't, but I do think taking advantage of significant interest now, gives us options we otherwise won't have. Albion In Staffs
  • Score: -2

4:00pm Wed 28 May 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

100% correct yet again wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Gus statement of 12 months ago regarding hitting the ceiling was clearly spot on, for those that defend the club over this comment it's normal to add the "5 year plan" as part of the defence, sorry we are going backwards ,
We were told we had quality applicants two weeks ago, and the club surely should have second guessed OG was going?
If this was palace we would be laughing at the shambles ..
We are going to appoint a coach but call him manager ? Is my favourite of the last few weeks.
Lets not forget Palace also made a 5 million bid in Jan which the Sun pointed out Ulloa was not happy about at the time.Soon after TK & Bridcutt started to let fans know they would also be off because they wanted prem-league football.
Yeah, I wouldn't be happy if Palace bid for me either.
[quote][p][bold]100% correct yet again[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: Gus statement of 12 months ago regarding hitting the ceiling was clearly spot on, for those that defend the club over this comment it's normal to add the "5 year plan" as part of the defence, sorry we are going backwards , We were told we had quality applicants two weeks ago, and the club surely should have second guessed OG was going? If this was palace we would be laughing at the shambles .. We are going to appoint a coach but call him manager ? Is my favourite of the last few weeks.[/p][/quote]Lets not forget Palace also made a 5 million bid in Jan which the Sun pointed out Ulloa was not happy about at the time.Soon after TK & Bridcutt started to let fans know they would also be off because they wanted prem-league football.[/p][/quote]Yeah, I wouldn't be happy if Palace bid for me either. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 4

4:03pm Wed 28 May 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

If the club just wanted a "yes man" they'd get someone cheap in from the lower leagues. The club obviously want to get a man in that they think will make the club more successful.

Calling coaches "yes men" is massively disrespectful to them all.
If the club just wanted a "yes man" they'd get someone cheap in from the lower leagues. The club obviously want to get a man in that they think will make the club more successful. Calling coaches "yes men" is massively disrespectful to them all. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 4

4:16pm Wed 28 May 14

VegasSeagull says...

Albion In Staffs wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Jeff the world of football doesn't end for any club because they sold a gem, not if the many gained allows for two new gems to come in.
As a club we want to play at the top level, so it follows that gems do too, the club is right to hold out for the right money, but they will never be able to say no once the, 'right money,' is on the table, it would be bad business to do so and it wouldn't be right for Ulloa.
If we had the money to be able to say no to a huge offer for a player, then we would also have the money to buy a couple of 3 million pound players, a few more for 1.5 to 2 million, but we don't have that money. The sale of Ulloa could finace the arrival of maybe four new players. Perhaps Ulloa is just, 'too,' good to hold on to, perhaps we SHOULD, sell him for the good of the squad rebuild.
Vegas, Having taken you to task yesterday, I must agree with your point today. (Wonders will never cease.) and Jeff's too.
I think the realistic view is we don't have the money to build appropriately without off-loading, so I agree we should work on the 1 step back, two forward approach.
That view, in honesty, is also based on the fact that when I've seen him 'live', which is only a handful of times in fairness, he's looked ponderous in terms of open play and to some extent, a square peg in a round hole when it comes to the passing game.
If we're still advocating that as our 'house style' I'd hold out with a view to eventually taking decent dough. I'm certainly not saying he's a poor player because he clearly isn't, but I do think taking advantage of significant interest now, gives us options we otherwise won't have.
Staffs, it's just a matter of simple economics. We need money, we have a valuable asset that can give us that money. The amount of money will not only allow us to buy a replacement, but will also allow us to secure the services of at least two, and maybe more, much needed players, depending on what his final sale price is.

The alternative to selling Ulloa to gain transfer money for others is not pretty, we can go into deeper debt or we can buy lesser quality players, neither of which is a good option. Clubs at our level have to cash in on gems from time to time, when we will next be able to sell a player for a fee upwards of 7 million and closer to 10, seven million is certainly more than our entire transfer budget for last season. How are we supposed to attract a decent manager if he isn't given a decent budget to work with.
[quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Jeff the world of football doesn't end for any club because they sold a gem, not if the many gained allows for two new gems to come in. As a club we want to play at the top level, so it follows that gems do too, the club is right to hold out for the right money, but they will never be able to say no once the, 'right money,' is on the table, it would be bad business to do so and it wouldn't be right for Ulloa. If we had the money to be able to say no to a huge offer for a player, then we would also have the money to buy a couple of 3 million pound players, a few more for 1.5 to 2 million, but we don't have that money. The sale of Ulloa could finace the arrival of maybe four new players. Perhaps Ulloa is just, 'too,' good to hold on to, perhaps we SHOULD, sell him for the good of the squad rebuild.[/p][/quote]Vegas, Having taken you to task yesterday, I must agree with your point today. (Wonders will never cease.) and Jeff's too. I think the realistic view is we don't have the money to build appropriately without off-loading, so I agree we should work on the 1 step back, two forward approach. That view, in honesty, is also based on the fact that when I've seen him 'live', which is only a handful of times in fairness, he's looked ponderous in terms of open play and to some extent, a square peg in a round hole when it comes to the passing game. If we're still advocating that as our 'house style' I'd hold out with a view to eventually taking decent dough. I'm certainly not saying he's a poor player because he clearly isn't, but I do think taking advantage of significant interest now, gives us options we otherwise won't have.[/p][/quote]Staffs, it's just a matter of simple economics. We need money, we have a valuable asset that can give us that money. The amount of money will not only allow us to buy a replacement, but will also allow us to secure the services of at least two, and maybe more, much needed players, depending on what his final sale price is. The alternative to selling Ulloa to gain transfer money for others is not pretty, we can go into deeper debt or we can buy lesser quality players, neither of which is a good option. Clubs at our level have to cash in on gems from time to time, when we will next be able to sell a player for a fee upwards of 7 million and closer to 10, seven million is certainly more than our entire transfer budget for last season. How are we supposed to attract a decent manager if he isn't given a decent budget to work with. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 0

4:16pm Wed 28 May 14

bruce beckett says...

When a story like this runs day-after-day, you have to think it will lead to the inevitable conclusion: that Ulloa will leave this summer to the highest bidder.

As we all know, the gap between the Premier League and Championship is huge. We simply can't compete with Leicester's wage structure so there is really nothing we can do to persuade Ulloa to stay.

What is just as important – maybe more important – as getting the highest possible fee is how we spend it on suitable replacements.

I'm still unsure on how good Barber and Burke are in their transfer dealings. They've made a few astute signings but been sold a few lemons too. We've also missed out on two players who had we signed them, we might be in Leicester's position now.

At one stage, during Poyet's tenure, we seemed to be first in line to sign Virgil van Dijk, who is now valued at at around 12 million. Presumably the 2.5 million Celtic paid for him was beyond us but as Del Boy once said: "He who dares wins." We spent more on CMS.

More recently, under Garcia, we missed out on Grabban, presumably because we didn't match his wage expectations.

Those two players could have made the difference between making the playoffs and securing promotion.

It also emphasises the importance of making the right decisions in the transfer market in the next month or two. There are bound to be one or two hidden gems out there. Hopefully, with the aid of the new manager, we can unearth them.
When a story like this runs day-after-day, you have to think it will lead to the inevitable conclusion: that Ulloa will leave this summer to the highest bidder. As we all know, the gap between the Premier League and Championship is huge. We simply can't compete with Leicester's wage structure so there is really nothing we can do to persuade Ulloa to stay. What is just as important – maybe more important – as getting the highest possible fee is how we spend it on suitable replacements. I'm still unsure on how good Barber and Burke are in their transfer dealings. They've made a few astute signings but been sold a few lemons too. We've also missed out on two players who had we signed them, we might be in Leicester's position now. At one stage, during Poyet's tenure, we seemed to be first in line to sign Virgil van Dijk, who is now valued at at around 12 million. Presumably the 2.5 million Celtic paid for him was beyond us but as Del Boy once said: "He who dares wins." We spent more on CMS. More recently, under Garcia, we missed out on Grabban, presumably because we didn't match his wage expectations. Those two players could have made the difference between making the playoffs and securing promotion. It also emphasises the importance of making the right decisions in the transfer market in the next month or two. There are bound to be one or two hidden gems out there. Hopefully, with the aid of the new manager, we can unearth them. bruce beckett
  • Score: 2

4:18pm Wed 28 May 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

100% correct yet again wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
100% correct yet again wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Gus statement of 12 months ago regarding hitting the ceiling was clearly spot on, for those that defend the club over this comment it's normal to add the "5 year plan" as part of the defence, sorry we are going backwards ,
We were told we had quality applicants two weeks ago, and the club surely should have second guessed OG was going?
If this was palace we would be laughing at the shambles ..
We are going to appoint a coach but call him manager ? Is my favourite of the last few weeks.
Lets not forget Palace also made a 5 million bid in Jan which the Sun pointed out Ulloa was not happy about at the time.Soon after TK & Bridcutt started to let fans know they would also be off because they wanted prem-league football.
Yeah, I wouldn't be happy if Palace bid for me either.
Grow up man you would start a fight in an empty room.CPFC are just another football club which would mean like Murray he would not have to move house.Just like Upson & Bridge they all play for money only.Sorry apart from your wonderful son but no other clubs want him like TK & Bridcutt pointed out.
*Whoop whoop* sense of humour failure in the Brighton area!

Of course Palace are only another club, but I'm fairly sure he would have his sights set a little higher than Sellhurst Park, wouldn't he? After all, he's got used to one of the finest stadia in the country.

Football is all about the money for many players, but by no means all. Gary Lineker was saying much the same the other day. Doubling your wages from £400/week to £800/week makes a large difference to your life. Going from £10k/week to £15/week will make almost literally no difference. It's all about diminishing returns, and what's the point of an extra 5 grand that you can't find anything to spend it on if you're miserable at your new club or with your new house?

Happiness is what life is about, but too many confuse that with wealth.
[quote][p][bold]100% correct yet again[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]100% correct yet again[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: Gus statement of 12 months ago regarding hitting the ceiling was clearly spot on, for those that defend the club over this comment it's normal to add the "5 year plan" as part of the defence, sorry we are going backwards , We were told we had quality applicants two weeks ago, and the club surely should have second guessed OG was going? If this was palace we would be laughing at the shambles .. We are going to appoint a coach but call him manager ? Is my favourite of the last few weeks.[/p][/quote]Lets not forget Palace also made a 5 million bid in Jan which the Sun pointed out Ulloa was not happy about at the time.Soon after TK & Bridcutt started to let fans know they would also be off because they wanted prem-league football.[/p][/quote]Yeah, I wouldn't be happy if Palace bid for me either.[/p][/quote]Grow up man you would start a fight in an empty room.CPFC are just another football club which would mean like Murray he would not have to move house.Just like Upson & Bridge they all play for money only.Sorry apart from your wonderful son but no other clubs want him like TK & Bridcutt pointed out.[/p][/quote]*Whoop whoop* sense of humour failure in the Brighton area! Of course Palace are only another club, but I'm fairly sure he would have his sights set a little higher than Sellhurst Park, wouldn't he? After all, he's got used to one of the finest stadia in the country. Football is all about the money for many players, but by no means all. Gary Lineker was saying much the same the other day. Doubling your wages from £400/week to £800/week makes a large difference to your life. Going from £10k/week to £15/week will make almost literally no difference. It's all about diminishing returns, and what's the point of an extra 5 grand that you can't find anything to spend it on if you're miserable at your new club or with your new house? Happiness is what life is about, but too many confuse that with wealth. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 1

4:22pm Wed 28 May 14

VegasSeagull says...

bruce beckett wrote:
When a story like this runs day-after-day, you have to think it will lead to the inevitable conclusion: that Ulloa will leave this summer to the highest bidder.

As we all know, the gap between the Premier League and Championship is huge. We simply can't compete with Leicester's wage structure so there is really nothing we can do to persuade Ulloa to stay.

What is just as important – maybe more important – as getting the highest possible fee is how we spend it on suitable replacements.

I'm still unsure on how good Barber and Burke are in their transfer dealings. They've made a few astute signings but been sold a few lemons too. We've also missed out on two players who had we signed them, we might be in Leicester's position now.

At one stage, during Poyet's tenure, we seemed to be first in line to sign Virgil van Dijk, who is now valued at at around 12 million. Presumably the 2.5 million Celtic paid for him was beyond us but as Del Boy once said: "He who dares wins." We spent more on CMS.

More recently, under Garcia, we missed out on Grabban, presumably because we didn't match his wage expectations.

Those two players could have made the difference between making the playoffs and securing promotion.

It also emphasises the importance of making the right decisions in the transfer market in the next month or two. There are bound to be one or two hidden gems out there. Hopefully, with the aid of the new manager, we can unearth them.
but that should be the difference between Garcia and who ever fills the vacancy. Our new manager will undoubtably know the market, he will have worked in the market and, he will have english club contacts.
[quote][p][bold]bruce beckett[/bold] wrote: When a story like this runs day-after-day, you have to think it will lead to the inevitable conclusion: that Ulloa will leave this summer to the highest bidder. As we all know, the gap between the Premier League and Championship is huge. We simply can't compete with Leicester's wage structure so there is really nothing we can do to persuade Ulloa to stay. What is just as important – maybe more important – as getting the highest possible fee is how we spend it on suitable replacements. I'm still unsure on how good Barber and Burke are in their transfer dealings. They've made a few astute signings but been sold a few lemons too. We've also missed out on two players who had we signed them, we might be in Leicester's position now. At one stage, during Poyet's tenure, we seemed to be first in line to sign Virgil van Dijk, who is now valued at at around 12 million. Presumably the 2.5 million Celtic paid for him was beyond us but as Del Boy once said: "He who dares wins." We spent more on CMS. More recently, under Garcia, we missed out on Grabban, presumably because we didn't match his wage expectations. Those two players could have made the difference between making the playoffs and securing promotion. It also emphasises the importance of making the right decisions in the transfer market in the next month or two. There are bound to be one or two hidden gems out there. Hopefully, with the aid of the new manager, we can unearth them.[/p][/quote]but that should be the difference between Garcia and who ever fills the vacancy. Our new manager will undoubtably know the market, he will have worked in the market and, he will have english club contacts. VegasSeagull
  • Score: -1

4:23pm Wed 28 May 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

bruce beckett wrote:
When a story like this runs day-after-day, you have to think it will lead to the inevitable conclusion: that Ulloa will leave this summer to the highest bidder.

As we all know, the gap between the Premier League and Championship is huge. We simply can't compete with Leicester's wage structure so there is really nothing we can do to persuade Ulloa to stay.

What is just as important – maybe more important – as getting the highest possible fee is how we spend it on suitable replacements.

I'm still unsure on how good Barber and Burke are in their transfer dealings. They've made a few astute signings but been sold a few lemons too. We've also missed out on two players who had we signed them, we might be in Leicester's position now.

At one stage, during Poyet's tenure, we seemed to be first in line to sign Virgil van Dijk, who is now valued at at around 12 million. Presumably the 2.5 million Celtic paid for him was beyond us but as Del Boy once said: "He who dares wins." We spent more on CMS.

More recently, under Garcia, we missed out on Grabban, presumably because we didn't match his wage expectations.

Those two players could have made the difference between making the playoffs and securing promotion.

It also emphasises the importance of making the right decisions in the transfer market in the next month or two. There are bound to be one or two hidden gems out there. Hopefully, with the aid of the new manager, we can unearth them.
I don't think it was the amount bid that won van Dyke, but the fact they could offer him Champions League football. It doesn't matter how deep your pockets are with that kind of carrot being offered by rivals.
[quote][p][bold]bruce beckett[/bold] wrote: When a story like this runs day-after-day, you have to think it will lead to the inevitable conclusion: that Ulloa will leave this summer to the highest bidder. As we all know, the gap between the Premier League and Championship is huge. We simply can't compete with Leicester's wage structure so there is really nothing we can do to persuade Ulloa to stay. What is just as important – maybe more important – as getting the highest possible fee is how we spend it on suitable replacements. I'm still unsure on how good Barber and Burke are in their transfer dealings. They've made a few astute signings but been sold a few lemons too. We've also missed out on two players who had we signed them, we might be in Leicester's position now. At one stage, during Poyet's tenure, we seemed to be first in line to sign Virgil van Dijk, who is now valued at at around 12 million. Presumably the 2.5 million Celtic paid for him was beyond us but as Del Boy once said: "He who dares wins." We spent more on CMS. More recently, under Garcia, we missed out on Grabban, presumably because we didn't match his wage expectations. Those two players could have made the difference between making the playoffs and securing promotion. It also emphasises the importance of making the right decisions in the transfer market in the next month or two. There are bound to be one or two hidden gems out there. Hopefully, with the aid of the new manager, we can unearth them.[/p][/quote]I don't think it was the amount bid that won van Dyke, but the fact they could offer him Champions League football. It doesn't matter how deep your pockets are with that kind of carrot being offered by rivals. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 3

4:36pm Wed 28 May 14

bruce beckett says...

You are right, Arnie, we can't compete with the likes of Celtic. But I thought our scouting department identified him as a target well before Celtic got involved...and before his price tag went up to that level?

Think it's the same with Ulloa. If a PL club wants him, he's going. It's just a matter of haggling over the right price.
You are right, Arnie, we can't compete with the likes of Celtic. But I thought our scouting department identified him as a target well before Celtic got involved...and before his price tag went up to that level? Think it's the same with Ulloa. If a PL club wants him, he's going. It's just a matter of haggling over the right price. bruce beckett
  • Score: 1

4:42pm Wed 28 May 14

Albion In Staffs says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Jeff the world of football doesn't end for any club because they sold a gem, not if the many gained allows for two new gems to come in.
As a club we want to play at the top level, so it follows that gems do too, the club is right to hold out for the right money, but they will never be able to say no once the, 'right money,' is on the table, it would be bad business to do so and it wouldn't be right for Ulloa.
If we had the money to be able to say no to a huge offer for a player, then we would also have the money to buy a couple of 3 million pound players, a few more for 1.5 to 2 million, but we don't have that money. The sale of Ulloa could finace the arrival of maybe four new players. Perhaps Ulloa is just, 'too,' good to hold on to, perhaps we SHOULD, sell him for the good of the squad rebuild.
Vegas, Having taken you to task yesterday, I must agree with your point today. (Wonders will never cease.) and Jeff's too.
I think the realistic view is we don't have the money to build appropriately without off-loading, so I agree we should work on the 1 step back, two forward approach.
That view, in honesty, is also based on the fact that when I've seen him 'live', which is only a handful of times in fairness, he's looked ponderous in terms of open play and to some extent, a square peg in a round hole when it comes to the passing game.
If we're still advocating that as our 'house style' I'd hold out with a view to eventually taking decent dough. I'm certainly not saying he's a poor player because he clearly isn't, but I do think taking advantage of significant interest now, gives us options we otherwise won't have.
Staffs, it's just a matter of simple economics. We need money, we have a valuable asset that can give us that money. The amount of money will not only allow us to buy a replacement, but will also allow us to secure the services of at least two, and maybe more, much needed players, depending on what his final sale price is.

The alternative to selling Ulloa to gain transfer money for others is not pretty, we can go into deeper debt or we can buy lesser quality players, neither of which is a good option. Clubs at our level have to cash in on gems from time to time, when we will next be able to sell a player for a fee upwards of 7 million and closer to 10, seven million is certainly more than our entire transfer budget for last season. How are we supposed to attract a decent manager if he isn't given a decent budget to work with.
Yep, as said, one step back, two forward..
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Jeff the world of football doesn't end for any club because they sold a gem, not if the many gained allows for two new gems to come in. As a club we want to play at the top level, so it follows that gems do too, the club is right to hold out for the right money, but they will never be able to say no once the, 'right money,' is on the table, it would be bad business to do so and it wouldn't be right for Ulloa. If we had the money to be able to say no to a huge offer for a player, then we would also have the money to buy a couple of 3 million pound players, a few more for 1.5 to 2 million, but we don't have that money. The sale of Ulloa could finace the arrival of maybe four new players. Perhaps Ulloa is just, 'too,' good to hold on to, perhaps we SHOULD, sell him for the good of the squad rebuild.[/p][/quote]Vegas, Having taken you to task yesterday, I must agree with your point today. (Wonders will never cease.) and Jeff's too. I think the realistic view is we don't have the money to build appropriately without off-loading, so I agree we should work on the 1 step back, two forward approach. That view, in honesty, is also based on the fact that when I've seen him 'live', which is only a handful of times in fairness, he's looked ponderous in terms of open play and to some extent, a square peg in a round hole when it comes to the passing game. If we're still advocating that as our 'house style' I'd hold out with a view to eventually taking decent dough. I'm certainly not saying he's a poor player because he clearly isn't, but I do think taking advantage of significant interest now, gives us options we otherwise won't have.[/p][/quote]Staffs, it's just a matter of simple economics. We need money, we have a valuable asset that can give us that money. The amount of money will not only allow us to buy a replacement, but will also allow us to secure the services of at least two, and maybe more, much needed players, depending on what his final sale price is. The alternative to selling Ulloa to gain transfer money for others is not pretty, we can go into deeper debt or we can buy lesser quality players, neither of which is a good option. Clubs at our level have to cash in on gems from time to time, when we will next be able to sell a player for a fee upwards of 7 million and closer to 10, seven million is certainly more than our entire transfer budget for last season. How are we supposed to attract a decent manager if he isn't given a decent budget to work with.[/p][/quote]Yep, as said, one step back, two forward.. Albion In Staffs
  • Score: -1

4:42pm Wed 28 May 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

bruce beckett wrote:
You are right, Arnie, we can't compete with the likes of Celtic. But I thought our scouting department identified him as a target well before Celtic got involved...and before his price tag went up to that level?

Think it's the same with Ulloa. If a PL club wants him, he's going. It's just a matter of haggling over the right price.
There seemed to be some reluctance to let us have him until his club (Groningen?) were safe from relegation, by which time Celtic became interested. It seemed from what Naylor said at the time that there was little the club could do from that point on.

Also, I doubt we would have been the only club aware of him even before Celtic got involved. Still, he and Ulloa show that the scouting system works.
[quote][p][bold]bruce beckett[/bold] wrote: You are right, Arnie, we can't compete with the likes of Celtic. But I thought our scouting department identified him as a target well before Celtic got involved...and before his price tag went up to that level? Think it's the same with Ulloa. If a PL club wants him, he's going. It's just a matter of haggling over the right price.[/p][/quote]There seemed to be some reluctance to let us have him until his club (Groningen?) were safe from relegation, by which time Celtic became interested. It seemed from what Naylor said at the time that there was little the club could do from that point on. Also, I doubt we would have been the only club aware of him even before Celtic got involved. Still, he and Ulloa show that the scouting system works. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 1

5:01pm Wed 28 May 14

ballantrrae says...

Max Ripple wrote:
lmspike wrote:
JeffLomer wrote:
Morning boys,

I don't no about some of you but I'm getting fed up waking up to this same headline every morning, I no were holding out for as much as possible for Leo but I for one wish it would move on and sell him because we all no the lad will leave, and who are we to stand in his way for wanting to test himself in the premiership, if this drags on all summer we will probably end up selling him with a few weeks before the season starts and that would not be good for us or the new manager, get the right price 5-7 million for him then the new manager got time to get hopefully some quality players in,
Up the Albion!!!!
The new "manager" wont have the money to spend whether he goes or not. That is why the last to managers have been unhappy and left. Burke and Barber bring in the players. Bloom may have got us a great place to watch football, but id choose Withdean and Knight and have our club back to caring more about the fans and whats on the pitch.
Yes. I'm afraid any money brought in through transfers will mainly go on making sure we don't fall foul of FFP. I believe they are obsessed with it and in some ways, rightly so, but maybe they should look at whatever happens at this so-called League Meeting where clubs who have gone over the limits are supposedly brought to book. I don't believe anything will happen to them and that the League will cave in. Forest et al will walk away laughing. At us.
I understand that the League Meeting to which you refer and to which TB also referred in his recent BBC interview has taken place and the FFP rules remain unchanged. The League remains committed to FFP so some clubs re going to have an interesting time in the coming months.
The Albion might well benefit from the fallout as players get released and wage packets (especially outside the PL) are, as has been predicted, reduced..
[quote][p][bold]Max Ripple[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lmspike[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JeffLomer[/bold] wrote: Morning boys, I don't no about some of you but I'm getting fed up waking up to this same headline every morning, I no were holding out for as much as possible for Leo but I for one wish it would move on and sell him because we all no the lad will leave, and who are we to stand in his way for wanting to test himself in the premiership, if this drags on all summer we will probably end up selling him with a few weeks before the season starts and that would not be good for us or the new manager, get the right price 5-7 million for him then the new manager got time to get hopefully some quality players in, Up the Albion!!!![/p][/quote]The new "manager" wont have the money to spend whether he goes or not. That is why the last to managers have been unhappy and left. Burke and Barber bring in the players. Bloom may have got us a great place to watch football, but id choose Withdean and Knight and have our club back to caring more about the fans and whats on the pitch.[/p][/quote]Yes. I'm afraid any money brought in through transfers will mainly go on making sure we don't fall foul of FFP. I believe they are obsessed with it and in some ways, rightly so, but maybe they should look at whatever happens at this so-called League Meeting where clubs who have gone over the limits are supposedly brought to book. I don't believe anything will happen to them and that the League will cave in. Forest et al will walk away laughing. At us.[/p][/quote]I understand that the League Meeting to which you refer and to which TB also referred in his recent BBC interview has taken place and the FFP rules remain unchanged. The League remains committed to FFP so some clubs re going to have an interesting time in the coming months. The Albion might well benefit from the fallout as players get released and wage packets (especially outside the PL) are, as has been predicted, reduced.. ballantrrae
  • Score: 2

5:32pm Wed 28 May 14

mark by the sea says...

bruce beckett wrote:
You are right, Arnie, we can't compete with the likes of Celtic. But I thought our scouting department identified him as a target well before Celtic got involved...and before his price tag went up to that level?

Think it's the same with Ulloa. If a PL club wants him, he's going. It's just a matter of haggling over the right price.
Yes of course we did, the guy was ready to come to brighton , I think that was his agent who said that, the point of him going to a bigger club is no different to us not signing grabban and the winger who went to Blackburn..
Yes the Dutch side wanted to keep van dyke to stay up in the league, that says a lot about how highly they thought of him, from various snippets gained from one or two, Burke pulled the rug out from under Gus over signing him,
To say he had a choice 4 months later after brighton nearly did is nonsense, we don't seem very good at striking and securing players, that may be bad luck, but 16 months of near misses is unlikely to be pure bad luck.
[quote][p][bold]bruce beckett[/bold] wrote: You are right, Arnie, we can't compete with the likes of Celtic. But I thought our scouting department identified him as a target well before Celtic got involved...and before his price tag went up to that level? Think it's the same with Ulloa. If a PL club wants him, he's going. It's just a matter of haggling over the right price.[/p][/quote]Yes of course we did, the guy was ready to come to brighton , I think that was his agent who said that, the point of him going to a bigger club is no different to us not signing grabban and the winger who went to Blackburn.. Yes the Dutch side wanted to keep van dyke to stay up in the league, that says a lot about how highly they thought of him, from various snippets gained from one or two, Burke pulled the rug out from under Gus over signing him, To say he had a choice 4 months later after brighton nearly did is nonsense, we don't seem very good at striking and securing players, that may be bad luck, but 16 months of near misses is unlikely to be pure bad luck. mark by the sea
  • Score: 2

5:35pm Wed 28 May 14

ballantrrae says...

rolivan wrote:
If you don't score goals you don't win matches so Leo is our prized asset . On the flip side if you concede more than the opposition you lose so Tomasz was a prize asset who needs replacing.
Rolivan Hi. Good point re the merits of two very different 'prize assets'. Both equally important in my view but whilst Ulloa remains an Albion player replacing TK is the clear priority.
Should Ulloa go then I trust it will only be for a sizeable fee circa £7 million since it would cost something of that order to replace him.
Talking of Budgets I would expect the club to have a reasonable one with the net proceeds of the January sales of Barnes, Bridcutt etc topped up by the £4 million we have apparently had for the last 2-3 seasons.
Moving on to the appointment of a new Manager the potential candidates judging from the names being mentioned are high quality. With initial interviews only starting this week I am not sure how soon the process will finish and a new Manager installed. I had hoped a Manager would be in place by the beginning of June but now suspect another week is a more likely scenario.
I agree with the stance that the decision should not be rushed but would still hope things are resolved sooner rather than later. I am confident that TB will make the right decision. UTA.
By the way Rolivan how is Brittany ?
[quote][p][bold]rolivan[/bold] wrote: If you don't score goals you don't win matches so Leo is our prized asset . On the flip side if you concede more than the opposition you lose so Tomasz was a prize asset who needs replacing.[/p][/quote]Rolivan Hi. Good point re the merits of two very different 'prize assets'. Both equally important in my view but whilst Ulloa remains an Albion player replacing TK is the clear priority. Should Ulloa go then I trust it will only be for a sizeable fee circa £7 million since it would cost something of that order to replace him. Talking of Budgets I would expect the club to have a reasonable one with the net proceeds of the January sales of Barnes, Bridcutt etc topped up by the £4 million we have apparently had for the last 2-3 seasons. Moving on to the appointment of a new Manager the potential candidates judging from the names being mentioned are high quality. With initial interviews only starting this week I am not sure how soon the process will finish and a new Manager installed. I had hoped a Manager would be in place by the beginning of June but now suspect another week is a more likely scenario. I agree with the stance that the decision should not be rushed but would still hope things are resolved sooner rather than later. I am confident that TB will make the right decision. UTA. By the way Rolivan how is Brittany ? ballantrrae
  • Score: 1

5:48pm Wed 28 May 14

mark by the sea says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
bruce beckett wrote:
You are right, Arnie, we can't compete with the likes of Celtic. But I thought our scouting department identified him as a target well before Celtic got involved...and before his price tag went up to that level?

Think it's the same with Ulloa. If a PL club wants him, he's going. It's just a matter of haggling over the right price.
There seemed to be some reluctance to let us have him until his club (Groningen?) were safe from relegation, by which time Celtic became interested. It seemed from what Naylor said at the time that there was little the club could do from that point on.

Also, I doubt we would have been the only club aware of him even before Celtic got involved. Still, he and Ulloa show that the scouting system works.
We could have signed him and loaned him back till the new season,
Guy is now worth 5 times what Celtic paid, ulloa 3 times what we paid,
Gus is a ego waiting to crash , but he knows a good player.
I also believe ulloa was recommended by the ex albion scout ( Ziegler or something like that, he left to become assistant manager in league 2 Spain.
Looks like we could have been in a very good position had we stuck with Gus !
Yes he spent a lot of money, but his squad made two play offs in two years.
I suppose we do have Dunk
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bruce beckett[/bold] wrote: You are right, Arnie, we can't compete with the likes of Celtic. But I thought our scouting department identified him as a target well before Celtic got involved...and before his price tag went up to that level? Think it's the same with Ulloa. If a PL club wants him, he's going. It's just a matter of haggling over the right price.[/p][/quote]There seemed to be some reluctance to let us have him until his club (Groningen?) were safe from relegation, by which time Celtic became interested. It seemed from what Naylor said at the time that there was little the club could do from that point on. Also, I doubt we would have been the only club aware of him even before Celtic got involved. Still, he and Ulloa show that the scouting system works.[/p][/quote]We could have signed him and loaned him back till the new season, Guy is now worth 5 times what Celtic paid, ulloa 3 times what we paid, Gus is a ego waiting to crash , but he knows a good player. I also believe ulloa was recommended by the ex albion scout ( Ziegler or something like that, he left to become assistant manager in league 2 Spain. Looks like we could have been in a very good position had we stuck with Gus ! Yes he spent a lot of money, but his squad made two play offs in two years. I suppose we do have Dunk mark by the sea
  • Score: 0

5:57pm Wed 28 May 14

pte says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
pte wrote:
If Leicester know Brighton want around 10m are not put off by that and are still after Ulloa then they must be prepared to pay it or something near to it. I guess their final offer will be 7-8.5m

I think they will take 8m and sit on the money hoping CMS will give them a year without having to spend before finally going on a Bosman. Or they might decide to sell CMS now if an offer of 3m came in. If they have to sign a striker it will be for 1m, 2m tops
I agree with the first part of your comment, but the second part takes some working out.

Sell Ulloa and we are left with just CMS, so we are two strikers short. Sell Ulloa and CMS, and we have zip, don't see how then signing a single striker for 1 or 2 million works for us.
Sell Ulloa and we rely on CMS by getting a manager who uses the best tactics to get the most out of him. By keeping him for a year and letting him go on a Bosman though painful means the club can comfortably sit on the Ulloa cash and do nothing for a year. They might have a little flutter and invest in a lower league striker 500k-1m and if that doesn't come through spend another mill on a player in a years time.

But they could sell CMS now and reinvest 2m on a new striker. Either way they won't have to dip into the Ulloa money.

Will that get us promotion? Of course not and thats not the intended objective. What it does do is reduce the wage bill by nearly 2 million and leave 10 mill in the kitty not including the Bridcutt money any money for a possible Buckley sale.

Rather than invest a mill in a lower league player, if they can't find one and Hoskins cant find a club they could offer him 3k per week with an option for a long contract if he performs well.

This makes good business sense and I think a few fans are half expecting it to happen even though its not what they want. Remember they didnt rush out and spend the Bridcutt cash and they bottled it with Grabban even though they could have had him for 1m or 1/2m considering they had 1/2m from the Barnes sale. They let TK go and we thought that was because he had a Prem club lined up, but in fact I don't think he's been snapped up yet or has he?
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pte[/bold] wrote: If Leicester know Brighton want around 10m are not put off by that and are still after Ulloa then they must be prepared to pay it or something near to it. I guess their final offer will be 7-8.5m I think they will take 8m and sit on the money hoping CMS will give them a year without having to spend before finally going on a Bosman. Or they might decide to sell CMS now if an offer of 3m came in. If they have to sign a striker it will be for 1m, 2m tops[/p][/quote]I agree with the first part of your comment, but the second part takes some working out. Sell Ulloa and we are left with just CMS, so we are two strikers short. Sell Ulloa and CMS, and we have zip, don't see how then signing a single striker for 1 or 2 million works for us.[/p][/quote]Sell Ulloa and we rely on CMS by getting a manager who uses the best tactics to get the most out of him. By keeping him for a year and letting him go on a Bosman though painful means the club can comfortably sit on the Ulloa cash and do nothing for a year. They might have a little flutter and invest in a lower league striker 500k-1m and if that doesn't come through spend another mill on a player in a years time. But they could sell CMS now and reinvest 2m on a new striker. Either way they won't have to dip into the Ulloa money. Will that get us promotion? Of course not and thats not the intended objective. What it does do is reduce the wage bill by nearly 2 million and leave 10 mill in the kitty not including the Bridcutt money any money for a possible Buckley sale. Rather than invest a mill in a lower league player, if they can't find one and Hoskins cant find a club they could offer him 3k per week with an option for a long contract if he performs well. This makes good business sense and I think a few fans are half expecting it to happen even though its not what they want. Remember they didnt rush out and spend the Bridcutt cash and they bottled it with Grabban even though they could have had him for 1m or 1/2m considering they had 1/2m from the Barnes sale. They let TK go and we thought that was because he had a Prem club lined up, but in fact I don't think he's been snapped up yet or has he? pte
  • Score: -5

6:09pm Wed 28 May 14

VegasSeagull says...

There seems to be a common thread, often seen on this forum, that being, one of very short patience.

We got promoted, and pretty much everyone accepted that we now needed to build a Champ Div squad, finishing 10th was ok. During our second season at the Amex there were many calls for expensive players to come in, and in part they did, we finished fourth. This past season the demand for a top six place was loud, even tho we had so many injuries, we just made it.

We now have people calling for a manager to be installed, 'NOW,' like having to wait anoher week is going to make a difference. Get the manager in now and start signing new players, 'NOW,' again what difference will waiting another week make, the window hsn't even opened yet.
There are, 'only,' about 30 days left until pre-season training starts, we have to get players, 'NOW,' why, what are they going to do for the next 30 days other than sit around waiting for training to start.

If we don't spend big money, forget the FFP rules, we won't get promoted, 'THIS SEASON,' so what, is it not better to build a squad over two or three years rather than trying to, 'buy,' promotion this coming season?

It's football, instant gratification for one's dreams and desires just doesn't happen. To date the club has got things pretty much right, I don't see a problem with continuing with our, 'steady as we go,' approach. Promotion might come this year, and it might not, but as long as our squad, in terms of overall strength, ends this season better than last, we will be moving in the right direction. Key players have gone, maybe Ulloa will too, but new players will arrive along with our new manager, have a little patience and see what happens over the coming weeks, we wil have a whole season to complain and vent our dismay.
There seems to be a common thread, often seen on this forum, that being, one of very short patience. We got promoted, and pretty much everyone accepted that we now needed to build a Champ Div squad, finishing 10th was ok. During our second season at the Amex there were many calls for expensive players to come in, and in part they did, we finished fourth. This past season the demand for a top six place was loud, even tho we had so many injuries, we just made it. We now have people calling for a manager to be installed, 'NOW,' like having to wait anoher week is going to make a difference. Get the manager in now and start signing new players, 'NOW,' again what difference will waiting another week make, the window hsn't even opened yet. There are, 'only,' about 30 days left until pre-season training starts, we have to get players, 'NOW,' why, what are they going to do for the next 30 days other than sit around waiting for training to start. If we don't spend big money, forget the FFP rules, we won't get promoted, 'THIS SEASON,' so what, is it not better to build a squad over two or three years rather than trying to, 'buy,' promotion this coming season? It's football, instant gratification for one's dreams and desires just doesn't happen. To date the club has got things pretty much right, I don't see a problem with continuing with our, 'steady as we go,' approach. Promotion might come this year, and it might not, but as long as our squad, in terms of overall strength, ends this season better than last, we will be moving in the right direction. Key players have gone, maybe Ulloa will too, but new players will arrive along with our new manager, have a little patience and see what happens over the coming weeks, we wil have a whole season to complain and vent our dismay. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 2

6:11pm Wed 28 May 14

mark by the sea says...

pte wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
pte wrote:
If Leicester know Brighton want around 10m are not put off by that and are still after Ulloa then they must be prepared to pay it or something near to it. I guess their final offer will be 7-8.5m

I think they will take 8m and sit on the money hoping CMS will give them a year without having to spend before finally going on a Bosman. Or they might decide to sell CMS now if an offer of 3m came in. If they have to sign a striker it will be for 1m, 2m tops
I agree with the first part of your comment, but the second part takes some working out.

Sell Ulloa and we are left with just CMS, so we are two strikers short. Sell Ulloa and CMS, and we have zip, don't see how then signing a single striker for 1 or 2 million works for us.
Sell Ulloa and we rely on CMS by getting a manager who uses the best tactics to get the most out of him. By keeping him for a year and letting him go on a Bosman though painful means the club can comfortably sit on the Ulloa cash and do nothing for a year. They might have a little flutter and invest in a lower league striker 500k-1m and if that doesn't come through spend another mill on a player in a years time.

But they could sell CMS now and reinvest 2m on a new striker. Either way they won't have to dip into the Ulloa money.

Will that get us promotion? Of course not and thats not the intended objective. What it does do is reduce the wage bill by nearly 2 million and leave 10 mill in the kitty not including the Bridcutt money any money for a possible Buckley sale.

Rather than invest a mill in a lower league player, if they can't find one and Hoskins cant find a club they could offer him 3k per week with an option for a long contract if he performs well.

This makes good business sense and I think a few fans are half expecting it to happen even though its not what they want. Remember they didnt rush out and spend the Bridcutt cash and they bottled it with Grabban even though they could have had him for 1m or 1/2m considering they had 1/2m from the Barnes sale. They let TK go and we thought that was because he had a Prem club lined up, but in fact I don't think he's been snapped up yet or has he?
I have to wonder if it's all clever stuff, did we want upson to stay? If we took ward on loan at 12k a week, how much was upson on?
Better we stick with dunk on 4 k a week , and hope he comes good, if this is moving with our 5 year plan ! Lol
[quote][p][bold]pte[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pte[/bold] wrote: If Leicester know Brighton want around 10m are not put off by that and are still after Ulloa then they must be prepared to pay it or something near to it. I guess their final offer will be 7-8.5m I think they will take 8m and sit on the money hoping CMS will give them a year without having to spend before finally going on a Bosman. Or they might decide to sell CMS now if an offer of 3m came in. If they have to sign a striker it will be for 1m, 2m tops[/p][/quote]I agree with the first part of your comment, but the second part takes some working out. Sell Ulloa and we are left with just CMS, so we are two strikers short. Sell Ulloa and CMS, and we have zip, don't see how then signing a single striker for 1 or 2 million works for us.[/p][/quote]Sell Ulloa and we rely on CMS by getting a manager who uses the best tactics to get the most out of him. By keeping him for a year and letting him go on a Bosman though painful means the club can comfortably sit on the Ulloa cash and do nothing for a year. They might have a little flutter and invest in a lower league striker 500k-1m and if that doesn't come through spend another mill on a player in a years time. But they could sell CMS now and reinvest 2m on a new striker. Either way they won't have to dip into the Ulloa money. Will that get us promotion? Of course not and thats not the intended objective. What it does do is reduce the wage bill by nearly 2 million and leave 10 mill in the kitty not including the Bridcutt money any money for a possible Buckley sale. Rather than invest a mill in a lower league player, if they can't find one and Hoskins cant find a club they could offer him 3k per week with an option for a long contract if he performs well. This makes good business sense and I think a few fans are half expecting it to happen even though its not what they want. Remember they didnt rush out and spend the Bridcutt cash and they bottled it with Grabban even though they could have had him for 1m or 1/2m considering they had 1/2m from the Barnes sale. They let TK go and we thought that was because he had a Prem club lined up, but in fact I don't think he's been snapped up yet or has he?[/p][/quote]I have to wonder if it's all clever stuff, did we want upson to stay? If we took ward on loan at 12k a week, how much was upson on? Better we stick with dunk on 4 k a week , and hope he comes good, if this is moving with our 5 year plan ! Lol mark by the sea
  • Score: -1

6:14pm Wed 28 May 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

Gus may know a good player (not that he actually spotted VVD it seems) but he also spotted a load of dross.

If we HAD signed VVD there's no way that he would have become a £12m player with us because he just wouldn't have had the exposure. Also worth noting no-one has actually bid £12m for him yet and he hasn't broken into the Dutch team, having only made three appearances for the U21.

Dunk may or may not be as good as VVD but he is at least actually ours, we haven't had to spend a fortune on recruiting him and he will, in many people's views, still have a major part to play in the club's future.
Gus may know a good player (not that he actually spotted VVD it seems) but he also spotted a load of dross. If we HAD signed VVD there's no way that he would have become a £12m player with us because he just wouldn't have had the exposure. Also worth noting no-one has actually bid £12m for him yet and he hasn't broken into the Dutch team, having only made three appearances for the U21. Dunk may or may not be as good as VVD but he is at least actually ours, we haven't had to spend a fortune on recruiting him and he will, in many people's views, still have a major part to play in the club's future. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 2

6:15pm Wed 28 May 14

mark by the sea says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
There seems to be a common thread, often seen on this forum, that being, one of very short patience.

We got promoted, and pretty much everyone accepted that we now needed to build a Champ Div squad, finishing 10th was ok. During our second season at the Amex there were many calls for expensive players to come in, and in part they did, we finished fourth. This past season the demand for a top six place was loud, even tho we had so many injuries, we just made it.

We now have people calling for a manager to be installed, 'NOW,' like having to wait anoher week is going to make a difference. Get the manager in now and start signing new players, 'NOW,' again what difference will waiting another week make, the window hsn't even opened yet.
There are, 'only,' about 30 days left until pre-season training starts, we have to get players, 'NOW,' why, what are they going to do for the next 30 days other than sit around waiting for training to start.

If we don't spend big money, forget the FFP rules, we won't get promoted, 'THIS SEASON,' so what, is it not better to build a squad over two or three years rather than trying to, 'buy,' promotion this coming season?

It's football, instant gratification for one's dreams and desires just doesn't happen. To date the club has got things pretty much right, I don't see a problem with continuing with our, 'steady as we go,' approach. Promotion might come this year, and it might not, but as long as our squad, in terms of overall strength, ends this season better than last, we will be moving in the right direction. Key players have gone, maybe Ulloa will too, but new players will arrive along with our new manager, have a little patience and see what happens over the coming weeks, we wil have a whole season to complain and vent our dismay.
Vegas how many players did we sign last summer? How many players will we need to sign? I suppose if the new manager does not have a say in who comes then we don't need to rush, two days before pre season will do.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: There seems to be a common thread, often seen on this forum, that being, one of very short patience. We got promoted, and pretty much everyone accepted that we now needed to build a Champ Div squad, finishing 10th was ok. During our second season at the Amex there were many calls for expensive players to come in, and in part they did, we finished fourth. This past season the demand for a top six place was loud, even tho we had so many injuries, we just made it. We now have people calling for a manager to be installed, 'NOW,' like having to wait anoher week is going to make a difference. Get the manager in now and start signing new players, 'NOW,' again what difference will waiting another week make, the window hsn't even opened yet. There are, 'only,' about 30 days left until pre-season training starts, we have to get players, 'NOW,' why, what are they going to do for the next 30 days other than sit around waiting for training to start. If we don't spend big money, forget the FFP rules, we won't get promoted, 'THIS SEASON,' so what, is it not better to build a squad over two or three years rather than trying to, 'buy,' promotion this coming season? It's football, instant gratification for one's dreams and desires just doesn't happen. To date the club has got things pretty much right, I don't see a problem with continuing with our, 'steady as we go,' approach. Promotion might come this year, and it might not, but as long as our squad, in terms of overall strength, ends this season better than last, we will be moving in the right direction. Key players have gone, maybe Ulloa will too, but new players will arrive along with our new manager, have a little patience and see what happens over the coming weeks, we wil have a whole season to complain and vent our dismay.[/p][/quote]Vegas how many players did we sign last summer? How many players will we need to sign? I suppose if the new manager does not have a say in who comes then we don't need to rush, two days before pre season will do. mark by the sea
  • Score: -3

6:20pm Wed 28 May 14

namgo49 says...

Conelli98 wrote:
Three defenders are being released by Palarse...Gabbidon, Moxey and Parr. Would you take any of them?
No, but Speroni they want to retain and are in contract talks. Now is our opportunity to get a 1st class keeper. Just depends if he wants to take Prem money and warm his backside on bench all season or take Championship money and play every week.
[quote][p][bold]Conelli98[/bold] wrote: Three defenders are being released by Palarse...Gabbidon, Moxey and Parr. Would you take any of them?[/p][/quote]No, but Speroni they want to retain and are in contract talks. Now is our opportunity to get a 1st class keeper. Just depends if he wants to take Prem money and warm his backside on bench all season or take Championship money and play every week. namgo49
  • Score: -1

6:28pm Wed 28 May 14

Withdean-er says...

namgo49 wrote:
Conelli98 wrote:
Three defenders are being released by Palarse...Gabbidon, Moxey and Parr. Would you take any of them?
No, but Speroni they want to retain and are in contract talks. Now is our opportunity to get a 1st class keeper. Just depends if he wants to take Prem money and warm his backside on bench all season or take Championship money and play every week.
He, and they, will always take PL money. It's 2 or 3 times greater, and can you blaim players for doing that? This time last year everyone said that Bridge would stay here because of his love of Brighton/Sussex, and he'd already made his fortune from football. That proved to be completely incorrect wild guessing by BHA fans who reckoned they had inside info - because he signed for Reading who with PL parachute money, grabbed his services. Like it or not, money talks.
[quote][p][bold]namgo49[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Conelli98[/bold] wrote: Three defenders are being released by Palarse...Gabbidon, Moxey and Parr. Would you take any of them?[/p][/quote]No, but Speroni they want to retain and are in contract talks. Now is our opportunity to get a 1st class keeper. Just depends if he wants to take Prem money and warm his backside on bench all season or take Championship money and play every week.[/p][/quote]He, and they, will always take PL money. It's 2 or 3 times greater, and can you blaim players for doing that? This time last year everyone said that Bridge would stay here because of his love of Brighton/Sussex, and he'd already made his fortune from football. That proved to be completely incorrect wild guessing by BHA fans who reckoned they had inside info - because he signed for Reading who with PL parachute money, grabbed his services. Like it or not, money talks. Withdean-er
  • Score: 3

6:33pm Wed 28 May 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

You simply cannot tar everyone with the same brush. Some will decide purely on money, others will look at the whole package. Some footballers are a little simple and can't see past the dollar signs, but money is not everyone's #1 motivator.
You simply cannot tar everyone with the same brush. Some will decide purely on money, others will look at the whole package. Some footballers are a little simple and can't see past the dollar signs, but money is not everyone's #1 motivator. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 0

6:41pm Wed 28 May 14

Withdean-er says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
You simply cannot tar everyone with the same brush. Some will decide purely on money, others will look at the whole package. Some footballers are a little simple and can't see past the dollar signs, but money is not everyone's #1 motivator.
Bridge, Upson, Bridcutt, Barnes, ElAbd - all went for higher wages and/or lengthier contracts. When there is a significant difference, money is the motivator & hand-on-heart who would do differently? Players have to make their money on say 10-15 years, and never see c. 45% in tax/ni.
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: You simply cannot tar everyone with the same brush. Some will decide purely on money, others will look at the whole package. Some footballers are a little simple and can't see past the dollar signs, but money is not everyone's #1 motivator.[/p][/quote]Bridge, Upson, Bridcutt, Barnes, ElAbd - all went for higher wages and/or lengthier contracts. When there is a significant difference, money is the motivator & hand-on-heart who would do differently? Players have to make their money on say 10-15 years, and never see c. 45% in tax/ni. Withdean-er
  • Score: 1

6:43pm Wed 28 May 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

Withdean-er wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
You simply cannot tar everyone with the same brush. Some will decide purely on money, others will look at the whole package. Some footballers are a little simple and can't see past the dollar signs, but money is not everyone's #1 motivator.
Bridge, Upson, Bridcutt, Barnes, ElAbd - all went for higher wages and/or lengthier contracts. When there is a significant difference, money is the motivator & hand-on-heart who would do differently? Players have to make their money on say 10-15 years, and never see c. 45% in tax/ni.
El Abd went for first team football. Upson has gone for a last crack at the Premier League.

Players who have played at this level for 15 years will never have to work again whether or not they manage to wangle a few extra grand a week - they are already millionaires.
[quote][p][bold]Withdean-er[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: You simply cannot tar everyone with the same brush. Some will decide purely on money, others will look at the whole package. Some footballers are a little simple and can't see past the dollar signs, but money is not everyone's #1 motivator.[/p][/quote]Bridge, Upson, Bridcutt, Barnes, ElAbd - all went for higher wages and/or lengthier contracts. When there is a significant difference, money is the motivator & hand-on-heart who would do differently? Players have to make their money on say 10-15 years, and never see c. 45% in tax/ni.[/p][/quote]El Abd went for first team football. Upson has gone for a last crack at the Premier League. Players who have played at this level for 15 years will never have to work again whether or not they manage to wangle a few extra grand a week - they are already millionaires. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 1

6:53pm Wed 28 May 14

VegasSeagull says...

MBTS, you are in a hurry arn't you, you want to find out s soon as possible who our next manger will be. You want to see who we borrow or buy, as soon as possible. You want to see who urns down our advances, as soon as possible, and I get all of the above, the difference between us is, I can wait for the fun to start.
If you were to put your hand on your heart, I bet your wanting action now is more driven by just wanting to know, rather than any real fears that we might miss out on a player or two. Come on, own up.
MBTS, you are in a hurry arn't you, you want to find out s soon as possible who our next manger will be. You want to see who we borrow or buy, as soon as possible. You want to see who urns down our advances, as soon as possible, and I get all of the above, the difference between us is, I can wait for the fun to start. If you were to put your hand on your heart, I bet your wanting action now is more driven by just wanting to know, rather than any real fears that we might miss out on a player or two. Come on, own up. VegasSeagull
  • Score: -2

6:58pm Wed 28 May 14

VegasSeagull says...

Remi Garde to Brighton, what do you think?
Remi Garde to Brighton, what do you think? VegasSeagull
  • Score: -3

6:59pm Wed 28 May 14

bruce beckett says...

"There seems to be a common thread, often seen on this forum, that being, one of very short patience."

There's no such thing as patience in football. How long did Spurs give Tim Sherwood? Or Man Utd give Moyes? Or Oscar Garcia give Brighton?

You have to grab your chance when it comes along. We've had two chances in the last two years. How many more do you think we'll get? We're not going to make the playoffs every year, especially if we keep selling our best players.

You wait years for a striker like Ulloa to come along; then, in a flash, he could be gone and you're back to square one. Such is football these days.
"There seems to be a common thread, often seen on this forum, that being, one of very short patience." There's no such thing as patience in football. How long did Spurs give Tim Sherwood? Or Man Utd give Moyes? Or Oscar Garcia give Brighton? You have to grab your chance when it comes along. We've had two chances in the last two years. How many more do you think we'll get? We're not going to make the playoffs every year, especially if we keep selling our best players. You wait years for a striker like Ulloa to come along; then, in a flash, he could be gone and you're back to square one. Such is football these days. bruce beckett
  • Score: 3

7:04pm Wed 28 May 14

Withdean-er says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
Withdean-er wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
You simply cannot tar everyone with the same brush. Some will decide purely on money, others will look at the whole package. Some footballers are a little simple and can't see past the dollar signs, but money is not everyone's #1 motivator.
Bridge, Upson, Bridcutt, Barnes, ElAbd - all went for higher wages and/or lengthier contracts. When there is a significant difference, money is the motivator & hand-on-heart who would do differently? Players have to make their money on say 10-15 years, and never see c. 45% in tax/ni.
El Abd went for first team football. Upson has gone for a last crack at the Premier League.

Players who have played at this level for 15 years will never have to work again whether or not they manage to wangle a few extra grand a week - they are already millionaires.
ElAbd got a longer contract - vital at this stage of his career = more cash guaranteed for the ElAbd household.
Upson would undoubtedly earn far more per week at Leicester - if you don't want to believe the word of an Argus contributor, Deloittes and other respected observers. We are talking 2 or 3 times as much. We all know the the argument (used for Bridge, but he voted with his wallet for Reading) that they are millionaires and have made their money. Perhaps its psychological, but they are all appear to be deferring the day of big pay cuts as they get older, for as long as possible. The big house, bank balance and pension fund = wealth, but they still love the feeling of £xx,xxx hitting that bank account each month = income. Human nature.
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Withdean-er[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: You simply cannot tar everyone with the same brush. Some will decide purely on money, others will look at the whole package. Some footballers are a little simple and can't see past the dollar signs, but money is not everyone's #1 motivator.[/p][/quote]Bridge, Upson, Bridcutt, Barnes, ElAbd - all went for higher wages and/or lengthier contracts. When there is a significant difference, money is the motivator & hand-on-heart who would do differently? Players have to make their money on say 10-15 years, and never see c. 45% in tax/ni.[/p][/quote]El Abd went for first team football. Upson has gone for a last crack at the Premier League. Players who have played at this level for 15 years will never have to work again whether or not they manage to wangle a few extra grand a week - they are already millionaires.[/p][/quote]ElAbd got a longer contract - vital at this stage of his career = more cash guaranteed for the ElAbd household. Upson would undoubtedly earn far more per week at Leicester - if you don't want to believe the word of an Argus contributor, Deloittes and other respected observers. We are talking 2 or 3 times as much. We all know the the argument (used for Bridge, but he voted with his wallet for Reading) that they are millionaires and have made their money. Perhaps its psychological, but they are all appear to be deferring the day of big pay cuts as they get older, for as long as possible. The big house, bank balance and pension fund = wealth, but they still love the feeling of £xx,xxx hitting that bank account each month = income. Human nature. Withdean-er
  • Score: 2

7:06pm Wed 28 May 14

mark by the sea says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
MBTS, you are in a hurry arn't you, you want to find out s soon as possible who our next manger will be. You want to see who we borrow or buy, as soon as possible. You want to see who urns down our advances, as soon as possible, and I get all of the above, the difference between us is, I can wait for the fun to start.
If you were to put your hand on your heart, I bet your wanting action now is more driven by just wanting to know, rather than any real fears that we might miss out on a player or two. Come on, own up.
Not really , the season never ends, Cardiff just relegated have signed two , and no doubt will have there squad ready, all new players will have moved to Cardiff sorted schools for kids, found a property , those things are important things for any family, I am sure it helps them play better rather than staying in hotlels, renting , finding schools last minute etc.
pro active now , not catch up again.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: MBTS, you are in a hurry arn't you, you want to find out s soon as possible who our next manger will be. You want to see who we borrow or buy, as soon as possible. You want to see who urns down our advances, as soon as possible, and I get all of the above, the difference between us is, I can wait for the fun to start. If you were to put your hand on your heart, I bet your wanting action now is more driven by just wanting to know, rather than any real fears that we might miss out on a player or two. Come on, own up.[/p][/quote]Not really , the season never ends, Cardiff just relegated have signed two , and no doubt will have there squad ready, all new players will have moved to Cardiff sorted schools for kids, found a property , those things are important things for any family, I am sure it helps them play better rather than staying in hotlels, renting , finding schools last minute etc. pro active now , not catch up again. mark by the sea
  • Score: 4

7:17pm Wed 28 May 14

VegasSeagull says...

mark by the sea wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
MBTS, you are in a hurry arn't you, you want to find out s soon as possible who our next manger will be. You want to see who we borrow or buy, as soon as possible. You want to see who urns down our advances, as soon as possible, and I get all of the above, the difference between us is, I can wait for the fun to start.
If you were to put your hand on your heart, I bet your wanting action now is more driven by just wanting to know, rather than any real fears that we might miss out on a player or two. Come on, own up.
Not really , the season never ends, Cardiff just relegated have signed two , and no doubt will have there squad ready, all new players will have moved to Cardiff sorted schools for kids, found a property , those things are important things for any family, I am sure it helps them play better rather than staying in hotlels, renting , finding schools last minute etc.
pro active now , not catch up again.
yep families have to be sorted on various fronts, just as they do for most players that get a new club at any time of the year, but I doubt two or thee weeks will make much difference to how they perform come August.
It's not a perfect, (football) world so we shouldn't look for perfect outcomes or perfect solutions.
So long as we have some new players within the next 29 days, or there abouts, I think we will be ok.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: MBTS, you are in a hurry arn't you, you want to find out s soon as possible who our next manger will be. You want to see who we borrow or buy, as soon as possible. You want to see who urns down our advances, as soon as possible, and I get all of the above, the difference between us is, I can wait for the fun to start. If you were to put your hand on your heart, I bet your wanting action now is more driven by just wanting to know, rather than any real fears that we might miss out on a player or two. Come on, own up.[/p][/quote]Not really , the season never ends, Cardiff just relegated have signed two , and no doubt will have there squad ready, all new players will have moved to Cardiff sorted schools for kids, found a property , those things are important things for any family, I am sure it helps them play better rather than staying in hotlels, renting , finding schools last minute etc. pro active now , not catch up again.[/p][/quote]yep families have to be sorted on various fronts, just as they do for most players that get a new club at any time of the year, but I doubt two or thee weeks will make much difference to how they perform come August. It's not a perfect, (football) world so we shouldn't look for perfect outcomes or perfect solutions. So long as we have some new players within the next 29 days, or there abouts, I think we will be ok. VegasSeagull
  • Score: -2

7:27pm Wed 28 May 14

tug509 says...

tug509 wrote:
Nothing in transfers is more annoying than have someone take the wee wee when under valuing a top player ,and Pearson appears to have an abundance of the stuff !.
So let me get this right ,some of YOU think it is ok to offer a Pi55 poor amount for Leo ,stuff it .
[quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: Nothing in transfers is more annoying than have someone take the wee wee when under valuing a top player ,and Pearson appears to have an abundance of the stuff !.[/p][/quote]So let me get this right ,some of YOU think it is ok to offer a Pi55 poor amount for Leo ,stuff it . tug509
  • Score: 2

7:36pm Wed 28 May 14

mark by the sea says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
MBTS, you are in a hurry arn't you, you want to find out s soon as possible who our next manger will be. You want to see who we borrow or buy, as soon as possible. You want to see who urns down our advances, as soon as possible, and I get all of the above, the difference between us is, I can wait for the fun to start.
If you were to put your hand on your heart, I bet your wanting action now is more driven by just wanting to know, rather than any real fears that we might miss out on a player or two. Come on, own up.
Not really , the season never ends, Cardiff just relegated have signed two , and no doubt will have there squad ready, all new players will have moved to Cardiff sorted schools for kids, found a property , those things are important things for any family, I am sure it helps them play better rather than staying in hotlels, renting , finding schools last minute etc.
pro active now , not catch up again.
yep families have to be sorted on various fronts, just as they do for most players that get a new club at any time of the year, but I doubt two or thee weeks will make much difference to how they perform come August.
It's not a perfect, (football) world so we shouldn't look for perfect outcomes or perfect solutions.
So long as we have some new players within the next 29 days, or there abouts, I think we will be ok.
Players who are out of contract will take a offer rather than hope someone makes one in a few weeks, surely the squeeze which you support called FFP means there are bargains to be had? And if they are any good will be receiving offers now!! Or not?
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: MBTS, you are in a hurry arn't you, you want to find out s soon as possible who our next manger will be. You want to see who we borrow or buy, as soon as possible. You want to see who urns down our advances, as soon as possible, and I get all of the above, the difference between us is, I can wait for the fun to start. If you were to put your hand on your heart, I bet your wanting action now is more driven by just wanting to know, rather than any real fears that we might miss out on a player or two. Come on, own up.[/p][/quote]Not really , the season never ends, Cardiff just relegated have signed two , and no doubt will have there squad ready, all new players will have moved to Cardiff sorted schools for kids, found a property , those things are important things for any family, I am sure it helps them play better rather than staying in hotlels, renting , finding schools last minute etc. pro active now , not catch up again.[/p][/quote]yep families have to be sorted on various fronts, just as they do for most players that get a new club at any time of the year, but I doubt two or thee weeks will make much difference to how they perform come August. It's not a perfect, (football) world so we shouldn't look for perfect outcomes or perfect solutions. So long as we have some new players within the next 29 days, or there abouts, I think we will be ok.[/p][/quote]Players who are out of contract will take a offer rather than hope someone makes one in a few weeks, surely the squeeze which you support called FFP means there are bargains to be had? And if they are any good will be receiving offers now!! Or not? mark by the sea
  • Score: 3

7:43pm Wed 28 May 14

East of CrawleyDown says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
There seems to be a common thread, often seen on this forum, that being, one of very short patience.

We got promoted, and pretty much everyone accepted that we now needed to build a Champ Div squad, finishing 10th was ok. During our second season at the Amex there were many calls for expensive players to come in, and in part they did, we finished fourth. This past season the demand for a top six place was loud, even tho we had so many injuries, we just made it.

We now have people calling for a manager to be installed, 'NOW,' like having to wait anoher week is going to make a difference. Get the manager in now and start signing new players, 'NOW,' again what difference will waiting another week make, the window hsn't even opened yet.
There are, 'only,' about 30 days left until pre-season training starts, we have to get players, 'NOW,' why, what are they going to do for the next 30 days other than sit around waiting for training to start.

If we don't spend big money, forget the FFP rules, we won't get promoted, 'THIS SEASON,' so what, is it not better to build a squad over two or three years rather than trying to, 'buy,' promotion this coming season?

It's football, instant gratification for one's dreams and desires just doesn't happen. To date the club has got things pretty much right, I don't see a problem with continuing with our, 'steady as we go,' approach. Promotion might come this year, and it might not, but as long as our squad, in terms of overall strength, ends this season better than last, we will be moving in the right direction. Key players have gone, maybe Ulloa will too, but new players will arrive along with our new manager, have a little patience and see what happens over the coming weeks, we wil have a whole season to complain and vent our dismay.
We can't afford to hang around or else all the decent available managers will be snapped up, so actually another week could make a huge difference. Weeks have gone by and there's been nothing more than whispers and rumours, it seems to me we are taking far too long over this and it will cost us if we're not careful, this is what's causing concern. It would be lovely to take weeks and weeks over it but the fact is we simply can't afford to as we up are against all the other clubs who are after players and managers.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: There seems to be a common thread, often seen on this forum, that being, one of very short patience. We got promoted, and pretty much everyone accepted that we now needed to build a Champ Div squad, finishing 10th was ok. During our second season at the Amex there were many calls for expensive players to come in, and in part they did, we finished fourth. This past season the demand for a top six place was loud, even tho we had so many injuries, we just made it. We now have people calling for a manager to be installed, 'NOW,' like having to wait anoher week is going to make a difference. Get the manager in now and start signing new players, 'NOW,' again what difference will waiting another week make, the window hsn't even opened yet. There are, 'only,' about 30 days left until pre-season training starts, we have to get players, 'NOW,' why, what are they going to do for the next 30 days other than sit around waiting for training to start. If we don't spend big money, forget the FFP rules, we won't get promoted, 'THIS SEASON,' so what, is it not better to build a squad over two or three years rather than trying to, 'buy,' promotion this coming season? It's football, instant gratification for one's dreams and desires just doesn't happen. To date the club has got things pretty much right, I don't see a problem with continuing with our, 'steady as we go,' approach. Promotion might come this year, and it might not, but as long as our squad, in terms of overall strength, ends this season better than last, we will be moving in the right direction. Key players have gone, maybe Ulloa will too, but new players will arrive along with our new manager, have a little patience and see what happens over the coming weeks, we wil have a whole season to complain and vent our dismay.[/p][/quote]We can't afford to hang around or else all the decent available managers will be snapped up, so actually another week could make a huge difference. Weeks have gone by and there's been nothing more than whispers and rumours, it seems to me we are taking far too long over this and it will cost us if we're not careful, this is what's causing concern. It would be lovely to take weeks and weeks over it but the fact is we simply can't afford to as we up are against all the other clubs who are after players and managers. East of CrawleyDown
  • Score: 1

7:46pm Wed 28 May 14

Neville says...

Hi Vegas,
Interesting posts and all optimistic. If you listen to TB interview with Johnnie Cantor he will not be rushed into an appointment and players will not be bought until the new manager is in place,so your 29 days not realistic in my opinion. The FFP meeting was only three days ago and now we have the interview process which is probably being hampered by the current merry go round of managers, the latest being Southampton with McClaren possibly being touted and Celtic with Rosler being touted.GP has just signed new deal with Sunderland so expect some bids for Ulloa and Buckley.
Regardless of when the new manager is appointed,like it or not we will be playing catch up with our main Championship contenders especially if Ulloa and Buckley also leave, The training academy opens 1st July and pre season starts the week before plus the trip to Portugal. Also bear in mind some of the back up team have already left,shortly to be followed by the goalkeeping coach and the analyst team for the second season running,GP took his analysts with him last term.
By the time this is all sorted and players recruited,we are probably looking to the end of August when things may be settled, a date TB does mention in the interview for all players to be on board.
Also NJ future possibly in doubt,who is to say he is not looking elsewhere.
I am as anxious as anyone to know what is going on and I am afraid similar to the GP scenario,we are being told little or nothing,hence the lack of stories of substance from The Argus and all the rumours. Even Andy Naylors twitter pages havent been updated unless he is on leave.
Very very frustrating times again.
Hi Vegas, Interesting posts and all optimistic. If you listen to TB interview with Johnnie Cantor he will not be rushed into an appointment and players will not be bought until the new manager is in place,so your 29 days not realistic in my opinion. The FFP meeting was only three days ago and now we have the interview process which is probably being hampered by the current merry go round of managers, the latest being Southampton with McClaren possibly being touted and Celtic with Rosler being touted.GP has just signed new deal with Sunderland so expect some bids for Ulloa and Buckley. Regardless of when the new manager is appointed,like it or not we will be playing catch up with our main Championship contenders especially if Ulloa and Buckley also leave, The training academy opens 1st July and pre season starts the week before plus the trip to Portugal. Also bear in mind some of the back up team have already left,shortly to be followed by the goalkeeping coach and the analyst team for the second season running,GP took his analysts with him last term. By the time this is all sorted and players recruited,we are probably looking to the end of August when things may be settled, a date TB does mention in the interview for all players to be on board. Also NJ future possibly in doubt,who is to say he is not looking elsewhere. I am as anxious as anyone to know what is going on and I am afraid similar to the GP scenario,we are being told little or nothing,hence the lack of stories of substance from The Argus and all the rumours. Even Andy Naylors twitter pages havent been updated unless he is on leave. Very very frustrating times again. Neville
  • Score: 1

7:50pm Wed 28 May 14

namgo49 says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Remi Garde to Brighton, what do you think?
I think it has been established foreign coaches do not cut it in the Championship. Nightmare idea!
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Remi Garde to Brighton, what do you think?[/p][/quote]I think it has been established foreign coaches do not cut it in the Championship. Nightmare idea! namgo49
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7:56pm Wed 28 May 14

ringtone says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
You simply cannot tar everyone with the same brush. Some will decide purely on money, others will look at the whole package. Some footballers are a little simple and can't see past the dollar signs, but money is not everyone's #1 motivator.
Players simple? what Rubbish.

Dunk could have gone to either Oxford or Cambridge

And hopefully still might,lol
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: You simply cannot tar everyone with the same brush. Some will decide purely on money, others will look at the whole package. Some footballers are a little simple and can't see past the dollar signs, but money is not everyone's #1 motivator.[/p][/quote]Players simple? what Rubbish. Dunk could have gone to either Oxford or Cambridge And hopefully still might,lol ringtone
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8:42pm Wed 28 May 14

VegasSeagull says...

Neville wrote:
Hi Vegas,
Interesting posts and all optimistic. If you listen to TB interview with Johnnie Cantor he will not be rushed into an appointment and players will not be bought until the new manager is in place,so your 29 days not realistic in my opinion. The FFP meeting was only three days ago and now we have the interview process which is probably being hampered by the current merry go round of managers, the latest being Southampton with McClaren possibly being touted and Celtic with Rosler being touted.GP has just signed new deal with Sunderland so expect some bids for Ulloa and Buckley.
Regardless of when the new manager is appointed,like it or not we will be playing catch up with our main Championship contenders especially if Ulloa and Buckley also leave, The training academy opens 1st July and pre season starts the week before plus the trip to Portugal. Also bear in mind some of the back up team have already left,shortly to be followed by the goalkeeping coach and the analyst team for the second season running,GP took his analysts with him last term.
By the time this is all sorted and players recruited,we are probably looking to the end of August when things may be settled, a date TB does mention in the interview for all players to be on board.
Also NJ future possibly in doubt,who is to say he is not looking elsewhere.
I am as anxious as anyone to know what is going on and I am afraid similar to the GP scenario,we are being told little or nothing,hence the lack of stories of substance from The Argus and all the rumours. Even Andy Naylors twitter pages havent been updated unless he is on leave.
Very very frustrating times again.
Hi Neville.
My thinking is that a new manager will be installed in the coming days, probably before next monday. If that is the case by the 23rd of june, your suggested return to training date, several of our vacancies re players might well have been filled. Buying players during the first ten days or so of pre-season training is common, even later than that for some signings.

There is a lot of talk about this or that player that can be picked up on a so called, 'free,' clubs have announced their retain and let go lists, but there are an awful lot of players that will be for sale too, and many that are available for loan deals.
As per usual, we won't really know who we might sign, or be available to sign, until the big boys start doing their deals, some have been done, but many more will be.

There could be two perfect candidates, either of whom would suit us, but maybe they are holding back just in case another doors open to them, it might not be Bloom dragging his feet. If that is the case, then Bloom has to interview others just in case we don't land one of the two.

No panic for me just yet, and I would make a bet that certain players and clubs have already been sounded out regarding the possibility of players joining us, ground work for the new manager that cover several options, any of which he might like or not, his choice. If nothing has changed by the end of next week then yeah, that would change my thinking.
[quote][p][bold]Neville[/bold] wrote: Hi Vegas, Interesting posts and all optimistic. If you listen to TB interview with Johnnie Cantor he will not be rushed into an appointment and players will not be bought until the new manager is in place,so your 29 days not realistic in my opinion. The FFP meeting was only three days ago and now we have the interview process which is probably being hampered by the current merry go round of managers, the latest being Southampton with McClaren possibly being touted and Celtic with Rosler being touted.GP has just signed new deal with Sunderland so expect some bids for Ulloa and Buckley. Regardless of when the new manager is appointed,like it or not we will be playing catch up with our main Championship contenders especially if Ulloa and Buckley also leave, The training academy opens 1st July and pre season starts the week before plus the trip to Portugal. Also bear in mind some of the back up team have already left,shortly to be followed by the goalkeeping coach and the analyst team for the second season running,GP took his analysts with him last term. By the time this is all sorted and players recruited,we are probably looking to the end of August when things may be settled, a date TB does mention in the interview for all players to be on board. Also NJ future possibly in doubt,who is to say he is not looking elsewhere. I am as anxious as anyone to know what is going on and I am afraid similar to the GP scenario,we are being told little or nothing,hence the lack of stories of substance from The Argus and all the rumours. Even Andy Naylors twitter pages havent been updated unless he is on leave. Very very frustrating times again.[/p][/quote]Hi Neville. My thinking is that a new manager will be installed in the coming days, probably before next monday. If that is the case by the 23rd of june, your suggested return to training date, several of our vacancies re players might well have been filled. Buying players during the first ten days or so of pre-season training is common, even later than that for some signings. There is a lot of talk about this or that player that can be picked up on a so called, 'free,' clubs have announced their retain and let go lists, but there are an awful lot of players that will be for sale too, and many that are available for loan deals. As per usual, we won't really know who we might sign, or be available to sign, until the big boys start doing their deals, some have been done, but many more will be. There could be two perfect candidates, either of whom would suit us, but maybe they are holding back just in case another doors open to them, it might not be Bloom dragging his feet. If that is the case, then Bloom has to interview others just in case we don't land one of the two. No panic for me just yet, and I would make a bet that certain players and clubs have already been sounded out regarding the possibility of players joining us, ground work for the new manager that cover several options, any of which he might like or not, his choice. If nothing has changed by the end of next week then yeah, that would change my thinking. VegasSeagull
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8:52pm Wed 28 May 14

VegasSeagull says...

mark by the sea wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
MBTS, you are in a hurry arn't you, you want to find out s soon as possible who our next manger will be. You want to see who we borrow or buy, as soon as possible. You want to see who urns down our advances, as soon as possible, and I get all of the above, the difference between us is, I can wait for the fun to start.
If you were to put your hand on your heart, I bet your wanting action now is more driven by just wanting to know, rather than any real fears that we might miss out on a player or two. Come on, own up.
Not really , the season never ends, Cardiff just relegated have signed two , and no doubt will have there squad ready, all new players will have moved to Cardiff sorted schools for kids, found a property , those things are important things for any family, I am sure it helps them play better rather than staying in hotlels, renting , finding schools last minute etc.
pro active now , not catch up again.
yep families have to be sorted on various fronts, just as they do for most players that get a new club at any time of the year, but I doubt two or thee weeks will make much difference to how they perform come August.
It's not a perfect, (football) world so we shouldn't look for perfect outcomes or perfect solutions.
So long as we have some new players within the next 29 days, or there abouts, I think we will be ok.
Players who are out of contract will take a offer rather than hope someone makes one in a few weeks, surely the squeeze which you support called FFP means there are bargains to be had? And if they are any good will be receiving offers now!! Or not?
yep there could well be a few bargains out there waiting to be picked up, players that have been let go or have chosen not to accept a new deal by their former club, won't argue against that.

Prem players that have been let go might interest us, but some will interest other prem clubs or those relegated from the prem, and then of course there is the wage demand issue.
Players let go by Champ clubs, and those from the lower divisions, probably don't measure up to our needs. Potential loan deals that would suit us from the prem are likely to be available, as the prem clubs are too busy buying and selling to worry about letting players to go out on loan right now.
Players that we might like to buy are under contract so my guess is they won't all evaporate over the next 7 or 8 days.

Stil no need to panic, not just yet.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: MBTS, you are in a hurry arn't you, you want to find out s soon as possible who our next manger will be. You want to see who we borrow or buy, as soon as possible. You want to see who urns down our advances, as soon as possible, and I get all of the above, the difference between us is, I can wait for the fun to start. If you were to put your hand on your heart, I bet your wanting action now is more driven by just wanting to know, rather than any real fears that we might miss out on a player or two. Come on, own up.[/p][/quote]Not really , the season never ends, Cardiff just relegated have signed two , and no doubt will have there squad ready, all new players will have moved to Cardiff sorted schools for kids, found a property , those things are important things for any family, I am sure it helps them play better rather than staying in hotlels, renting , finding schools last minute etc. pro active now , not catch up again.[/p][/quote]yep families have to be sorted on various fronts, just as they do for most players that get a new club at any time of the year, but I doubt two or thee weeks will make much difference to how they perform come August. It's not a perfect, (football) world so we shouldn't look for perfect outcomes or perfect solutions. So long as we have some new players within the next 29 days, or there abouts, I think we will be ok.[/p][/quote]Players who are out of contract will take a offer rather than hope someone makes one in a few weeks, surely the squeeze which you support called FFP means there are bargains to be had? And if they are any good will be receiving offers now!! Or not?[/p][/quote]yep there could well be a few bargains out there waiting to be picked up, players that have been let go or have chosen not to accept a new deal by their former club, won't argue against that. Prem players that have been let go might interest us, but some will interest other prem clubs or those relegated from the prem, and then of course there is the wage demand issue. Players let go by Champ clubs, and those from the lower divisions, probably don't measure up to our needs. Potential loan deals that would suit us from the prem are likely to be available, as the prem clubs are too busy buying and selling to worry about letting players to go out on loan right now. Players that we might like to buy are under contract so my guess is they won't all evaporate over the next 7 or 8 days. Stil no need to panic, not just yet. VegasSeagull
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9:04pm Wed 28 May 14

Tony the tiger eastbourne says...

Put a 15 million price tag on him, hopefully that would put other teams off. If someone is still stupid enough to pay it then lrt him go. No one is stupid enough to pay that!!!!
Put a 15 million price tag on him, hopefully that would put other teams off. If someone is still stupid enough to pay it then lrt him go. No one is stupid enough to pay that!!!! Tony the tiger eastbourne
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10:04pm Wed 28 May 14

VegasSeagull says...

Tony the tiger eastbourne wrote:
Put a 15 million price tag on him, hopefully that would put other teams off. If someone is still stupid enough to pay it then lrt him go. No one is stupid enough to pay that!!!!
There is a fine line to be trod between, having the player know and accept that an offer just isn't enough, such as the 3 million from Leicester, and setting a price that compensates the club for their loss, but doesn't block the player's chance of prem football.
[quote][p][bold]Tony the tiger eastbourne[/bold] wrote: Put a 15 million price tag on him, hopefully that would put other teams off. If someone is still stupid enough to pay it then lrt him go. No one is stupid enough to pay that!!!![/p][/quote]There is a fine line to be trod between, having the player know and accept that an offer just isn't enough, such as the 3 million from Leicester, and setting a price that compensates the club for their loss, but doesn't block the player's chance of prem football. VegasSeagull
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10:36pm Wed 28 May 14

Bucket feet Duffy says...

Conelli98 wrote:
Sell him quick for £7m, no less. Get manager in ASAP and let him build his squad with available funds right now. SHERWOOD will be manager by tea time today. SORTED!⚽️⚽️
oh well have another go !!!
[quote][p][bold]Conelli98[/bold] wrote: Sell him quick for £7m, no less. Get manager in ASAP and let him build his squad with available funds right now. SHERWOOD will be manager by tea time today. SORTED!⚽️⚽️[/p][/quote]oh well have another go !!! Bucket feet Duffy
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11:45pm Wed 28 May 14

pte says...

mark by the sea wrote:
pte wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
pte wrote:
If Leicester know Brighton want around 10m are not put off by that and are still after Ulloa then they must be prepared to pay it or something near to it. I guess their final offer will be 7-8.5m

I think they will take 8m and sit on the money hoping CMS will give them a year without having to spend before finally going on a Bosman. Or they might decide to sell CMS now if an offer of 3m came in. If they have to sign a striker it will be for 1m, 2m tops
I agree with the first part of your comment, but the second part takes some working out.

Sell Ulloa and we are left with just CMS, so we are two strikers short. Sell Ulloa and CMS, and we have zip, don't see how then signing a single striker for 1 or 2 million works for us.
Sell Ulloa and we rely on CMS by getting a manager who uses the best tactics to get the most out of him. By keeping him for a year and letting him go on a Bosman though painful means the club can comfortably sit on the Ulloa cash and do nothing for a year. They might have a little flutter and invest in a lower league striker 500k-1m and if that doesn't come through spend another mill on a player in a years time.

But they could sell CMS now and reinvest 2m on a new striker. Either way they won't have to dip into the Ulloa money.

Will that get us promotion? Of course not and thats not the intended objective. What it does do is reduce the wage bill by nearly 2 million and leave 10 mill in the kitty not including the Bridcutt money any money for a possible Buckley sale.

Rather than invest a mill in a lower league player, if they can't find one and Hoskins cant find a club they could offer him 3k per week with an option for a long contract if he performs well.

This makes good business sense and I think a few fans are half expecting it to happen even though its not what they want. Remember they didnt rush out and spend the Bridcutt cash and they bottled it with Grabban even though they could have had him for 1m or 1/2m considering they had 1/2m from the Barnes sale. They let TK go and we thought that was because he had a Prem club lined up, but in fact I don't think he's been snapped up yet or has he?
I have to wonder if it's all clever stuff, did we want upson to stay? If we took ward on loan at 12k a week, how much was upson on?
Better we stick with dunk on 4 k a week , and hope he comes good, if this is moving with our 5 year plan ! Lol
Its clever stuff to a degree if your main motivation is to play safe and just make money year in year out without busting a gut to get promoted like Deadly Doug at Aston Villa which accounts for why they never did anything in the Prem.


To me Brighton are a club that's lost it's bottle regarding player acquistion. I know you have to speculate to accumulate and Brighton have missed out on many players they could have bought on the cheap. But they've lost their nerve as a result of overspending on overpriced players.

They went into the championship buying Hoskins Buckley and CMS. But since then the only big money purchase was Ulloa. The return from the massive investment (transfer fees and wages) from the first three in terms of performance and resale value hasn't been that great.

Being resigned to losing the overpriced CMS on a Bosman will make the club draw in on itself and cautiously sit on the Ulloa and Bridcutt money. They will look on that money as compensation for the money they lost on CMS

They won't think of the money they could have made on Van Dyke Grabben or all the others, but the money they lost on Hoskins and will lose on CMS.

As far as speculating to accumulate, they will say they already speculated big on CMS, Buckley and Hoskins and got nowt. But they picked up Noone and Bridcutt for peanuts and cashed in and they will hope to do that again.

Not saying they are right but it's obvious that's what their thinking is. I think when Gus was here, the negotiated for players they had no intention of signing because the price was always going to be too high. But its a political game they play with the manager. They can't tell him directly he cant have a player so they go through the motions and then find a way of scuppering any deal.
They will let CMS go just as they let Murray go.
If need be, if Hoskins cant find a club they will sign him on a one year deal with an option. Remember, they let Lopez go and then brought him back.just at the beginning of last season. They might even bring him back again along with Orlandi if they can't find anyone to fill the gaps.

Maybe I'm wrong, could be they had a clear out to bring in new players. But where are these new players? If they can't get them and with only half a team it might be come back all is forgive.

Bit of a shambles really
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pte[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pte[/bold] wrote: If Leicester know Brighton want around 10m are not put off by that and are still after Ulloa then they must be prepared to pay it or something near to it. I guess their final offer will be 7-8.5m I think they will take 8m and sit on the money hoping CMS will give them a year without having to spend before finally going on a Bosman. Or they might decide to sell CMS now if an offer of 3m came in. If they have to sign a striker it will be for 1m, 2m tops[/p][/quote]I agree with the first part of your comment, but the second part takes some working out. Sell Ulloa and we are left with just CMS, so we are two strikers short. Sell Ulloa and CMS, and we have zip, don't see how then signing a single striker for 1 or 2 million works for us.[/p][/quote]Sell Ulloa and we rely on CMS by getting a manager who uses the best tactics to get the most out of him. By keeping him for a year and letting him go on a Bosman though painful means the club can comfortably sit on the Ulloa cash and do nothing for a year. They might have a little flutter and invest in a lower league striker 500k-1m and if that doesn't come through spend another mill on a player in a years time. But they could sell CMS now and reinvest 2m on a new striker. Either way they won't have to dip into the Ulloa money. Will that get us promotion? Of course not and thats not the intended objective. What it does do is reduce the wage bill by nearly 2 million and leave 10 mill in the kitty not including the Bridcutt money any money for a possible Buckley sale. Rather than invest a mill in a lower league player, if they can't find one and Hoskins cant find a club they could offer him 3k per week with an option for a long contract if he performs well. This makes good business sense and I think a few fans are half expecting it to happen even though its not what they want. Remember they didnt rush out and spend the Bridcutt cash and they bottled it with Grabban even though they could have had him for 1m or 1/2m considering they had 1/2m from the Barnes sale. They let TK go and we thought that was because he had a Prem club lined up, but in fact I don't think he's been snapped up yet or has he?[/p][/quote]I have to wonder if it's all clever stuff, did we want upson to stay? If we took ward on loan at 12k a week, how much was upson on? Better we stick with dunk on 4 k a week , and hope he comes good, if this is moving with our 5 year plan ! Lol[/p][/quote]Its clever stuff to a degree if your main motivation is to play safe and just make money year in year out without busting a gut to get promoted like Deadly Doug at Aston Villa which accounts for why they never did anything in the Prem. To me Brighton are a club that's lost it's bottle regarding player acquistion. I know you have to speculate to accumulate and Brighton have missed out on many players they could have bought on the cheap. But they've lost their nerve as a result of overspending on overpriced players. They went into the championship buying Hoskins Buckley and CMS. But since then the only big money purchase was Ulloa. The return from the massive investment (transfer fees and wages) from the first three in terms of performance and resale value hasn't been that great. Being resigned to losing the overpriced CMS on a Bosman will make the club draw in on itself and cautiously sit on the Ulloa and Bridcutt money. They will look on that money as compensation for the money they lost on CMS They won't think of the money they could have made on Van Dyke Grabben or all the others, but the money they lost on Hoskins and will lose on CMS. As far as speculating to accumulate, they will say they already speculated big on CMS, Buckley and Hoskins and got nowt. But they picked up Noone and Bridcutt for peanuts and cashed in and they will hope to do that again. Not saying they are right but it's obvious that's what their thinking is. I think when Gus was here, the negotiated for players they had no intention of signing because the price was always going to be too high. But its a political game they play with the manager. They can't tell him directly he cant have a player so they go through the motions and then find a way of scuppering any deal. They will let CMS go just as they let Murray go. If need be, if Hoskins cant find a club they will sign him on a one year deal with an option. Remember, they let Lopez go and then brought him back.just at the beginning of last season. They might even bring him back again along with Orlandi if they can't find anyone to fill the gaps. Maybe I'm wrong, could be they had a clear out to bring in new players. But where are these new players? If they can't get them and with only half a team it might be come back all is forgive. Bit of a shambles really pte
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11:58pm Wed 28 May 14

tinker111 says...

namgo49 wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Remi Garde to Brighton, what do you think?
I think it has been established foreign coaches do not cut it in the Championship. Nightmare idea!
What about GREAT GUS
[quote][p][bold]namgo49[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Remi Garde to Brighton, what do you think?[/p][/quote]I think it has been established foreign coaches do not cut it in the Championship. Nightmare idea![/p][/quote]What about GREAT GUS tinker111
  • Score: 7

2:09am Thu 29 May 14

Captain Haddock says...

lmspike wrote:
JeffLomer wrote: Morning boys, I don't no about some of you but I'm getting fed up waking up to this same headline every morning, I no were holding out for as much as possible for Leo but I for one wish it would move on and sell him because we all no the lad will leave, and who are we to stand in his way for wanting to test himself in the premiership, if this drags on all summer we will probably end up selling him with a few weeks before the season starts and that would not be good for us or the new manager, get the right price 5-7 million for him then the new manager got time to get hopefully some quality players in, Up the Albion!!!!
The new "manager" wont have the money to spend whether he goes or not. That is why the last to managers have been unhappy and left. Burke and Barber bring in the players. Bloom may have got us a great place to watch football, but id choose Withdean and Knight and have our club back to caring more about the fans and whats on the pitch.
And going bust? That was where we were eventually headed under that utterly unsustainable model.

I think I'd take The Amex over Withdean 100 times out of 100.
[quote][p][bold]lmspike[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JeffLomer[/bold] wrote: Morning boys, I don't no about some of you but I'm getting fed up waking up to this same headline every morning, I no were holding out for as much as possible for Leo but I for one wish it would move on and sell him because we all no the lad will leave, and who are we to stand in his way for wanting to test himself in the premiership, if this drags on all summer we will probably end up selling him with a few weeks before the season starts and that would not be good for us or the new manager, get the right price 5-7 million for him then the new manager got time to get hopefully some quality players in, Up the Albion!!!![/p][/quote]The new "manager" wont have the money to spend whether he goes or not. That is why the last to managers have been unhappy and left. Burke and Barber bring in the players. Bloom may have got us a great place to watch football, but id choose Withdean and Knight and have our club back to caring more about the fans and whats on the pitch.[/p][/quote]And going bust? That was where we were eventually headed under that utterly unsustainable model. I think I'd take The Amex over Withdean 100 times out of 100. Captain Haddock
  • Score: 5

5:44am Thu 29 May 14

mark by the sea says...

pte wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
pte wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
pte wrote:
If Leicester know Brighton want around 10m are not put off by that and are still after Ulloa then they must be prepared to pay it or something near to it. I guess their final offer will be 7-8.5m

I think they will take 8m and sit on the money hoping CMS will give them a year without having to spend before finally going on a Bosman. Or they might decide to sell CMS now if an offer of 3m came in. If they have to sign a striker it will be for 1m, 2m tops
I agree with the first part of your comment, but the second part takes some working out.

Sell Ulloa and we are left with just CMS, so we are two strikers short. Sell Ulloa and CMS, and we have zip, don't see how then signing a single striker for 1 or 2 million works for us.
Sell Ulloa and we rely on CMS by getting a manager who uses the best tactics to get the most out of him. By keeping him for a year and letting him go on a Bosman though painful means the club can comfortably sit on the Ulloa cash and do nothing for a year. They might have a little flutter and invest in a lower league striker 500k-1m and if that doesn't come through spend another mill on a player in a years time.

But they could sell CMS now and reinvest 2m on a new striker. Either way they won't have to dip into the Ulloa money.

Will that get us promotion? Of course not and thats not the intended objective. What it does do is reduce the wage bill by nearly 2 million and leave 10 mill in the kitty not including the Bridcutt money any money for a possible Buckley sale.

Rather than invest a mill in a lower league player, if they can't find one and Hoskins cant find a club they could offer him 3k per week with an option for a long contract if he performs well.

This makes good business sense and I think a few fans are half expecting it to happen even though its not what they want. Remember they didnt rush out and spend the Bridcutt cash and they bottled it with Grabban even though they could have had him for 1m or 1/2m considering they had 1/2m from the Barnes sale. They let TK go and we thought that was because he had a Prem club lined up, but in fact I don't think he's been snapped up yet or has he?
I have to wonder if it's all clever stuff, did we want upson to stay? If we took ward on loan at 12k a week, how much was upson on?
Better we stick with dunk on 4 k a week , and hope he comes good, if this is moving with our 5 year plan ! Lol
Its clever stuff to a degree if your main motivation is to play safe and just make money year in year out without busting a gut to get promoted like Deadly Doug at Aston Villa which accounts for why they never did anything in the Prem.


To me Brighton are a club that's lost it's bottle regarding player acquistion. I know you have to speculate to accumulate and Brighton have missed out on many players they could have bought on the cheap. But they've lost their nerve as a result of overspending on overpriced players.

They went into the championship buying Hoskins Buckley and CMS. But since then the only big money purchase was Ulloa. The return from the massive investment (transfer fees and wages) from the first three in terms of performance and resale value hasn't been that great.

Being resigned to losing the overpriced CMS on a Bosman will make the club draw in on itself and cautiously sit on the Ulloa and Bridcutt money. They will look on that money as compensation for the money they lost on CMS

They won't think of the money they could have made on Van Dyke Grabben or all the others, but the money they lost on Hoskins and will lose on CMS.

As far as speculating to accumulate, they will say they already speculated big on CMS, Buckley and Hoskins and got nowt. But they picked up Noone and Bridcutt for peanuts and cashed in and they will hope to do that again.

Not saying they are right but it's obvious that's what their thinking is. I think when Gus was here, the negotiated for players they had no intention of signing because the price was always going to be too high. But its a political game they play with the manager. They can't tell him directly he cant have a player so they go through the motions and then find a way of scuppering any deal.
They will let CMS go just as they let Murray go.
If need be, if Hoskins cant find a club they will sign him on a one year deal with an option. Remember, they let Lopez go and then brought him back.just at the beginning of last season. They might even bring him back again along with Orlandi if they can't find anyone to fill the gaps.

Maybe I'm wrong, could be they had a clear out to bring in new players. But where are these new players? If they can't get them and with only half a team it might be come back all is forgive.

Bit of a shambles really
Agree , we are now looking for free players , give them two three year deals, and it looks great on paper, but in reality we are running scared, , if we let ulloa go it will be made to look like we battled to keep him, and stuck it out for big money.
What happens next is players like Buckley , march , and maybe ince start questioning if they should move with hope of more money , or a side with ambition.
From 12 months ago our squad is where? I can't see the plan.
[quote][p][bold]pte[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pte[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pte[/bold] wrote: If Leicester know Brighton want around 10m are not put off by that and are still after Ulloa then they must be prepared to pay it or something near to it. I guess their final offer will be 7-8.5m I think they will take 8m and sit on the money hoping CMS will give them a year without having to spend before finally going on a Bosman. Or they might decide to sell CMS now if an offer of 3m came in. If they have to sign a striker it will be for 1m, 2m tops[/p][/quote]I agree with the first part of your comment, but the second part takes some working out. Sell Ulloa and we are left with just CMS, so we are two strikers short. Sell Ulloa and CMS, and we have zip, don't see how then signing a single striker for 1 or 2 million works for us.[/p][/quote]Sell Ulloa and we rely on CMS by getting a manager who uses the best tactics to get the most out of him. By keeping him for a year and letting him go on a Bosman though painful means the club can comfortably sit on the Ulloa cash and do nothing for a year. They might have a little flutter and invest in a lower league striker 500k-1m and if that doesn't come through spend another mill on a player in a years time. But they could sell CMS now and reinvest 2m on a new striker. Either way they won't have to dip into the Ulloa money. Will that get us promotion? Of course not and thats not the intended objective. What it does do is reduce the wage bill by nearly 2 million and leave 10 mill in the kitty not including the Bridcutt money any money for a possible Buckley sale. Rather than invest a mill in a lower league player, if they can't find one and Hoskins cant find a club they could offer him 3k per week with an option for a long contract if he performs well. This makes good business sense and I think a few fans are half expecting it to happen even though its not what they want. Remember they didnt rush out and spend the Bridcutt cash and they bottled it with Grabban even though they could have had him for 1m or 1/2m considering they had 1/2m from the Barnes sale. They let TK go and we thought that was because he had a Prem club lined up, but in fact I don't think he's been snapped up yet or has he?[/p][/quote]I have to wonder if it's all clever stuff, did we want upson to stay? If we took ward on loan at 12k a week, how much was upson on? Better we stick with dunk on 4 k a week , and hope he comes good, if this is moving with our 5 year plan ! Lol[/p][/quote]Its clever stuff to a degree if your main motivation is to play safe and just make money year in year out without busting a gut to get promoted like Deadly Doug at Aston Villa which accounts for why they never did anything in the Prem. To me Brighton are a club that's lost it's bottle regarding player acquistion. I know you have to speculate to accumulate and Brighton have missed out on many players they could have bought on the cheap. But they've lost their nerve as a result of overspending on overpriced players. They went into the championship buying Hoskins Buckley and CMS. But since then the only big money purchase was Ulloa. The return from the massive investment (transfer fees and wages) from the first three in terms of performance and resale value hasn't been that great. Being resigned to losing the overpriced CMS on a Bosman will make the club draw in on itself and cautiously sit on the Ulloa and Bridcutt money. They will look on that money as compensation for the money they lost on CMS They won't think of the money they could have made on Van Dyke Grabben or all the others, but the money they lost on Hoskins and will lose on CMS. As far as speculating to accumulate, they will say they already speculated big on CMS, Buckley and Hoskins and got nowt. But they picked up Noone and Bridcutt for peanuts and cashed in and they will hope to do that again. Not saying they are right but it's obvious that's what their thinking is. I think when Gus was here, the negotiated for players they had no intention of signing because the price was always going to be too high. But its a political game they play with the manager. They can't tell him directly he cant have a player so they go through the motions and then find a way of scuppering any deal. They will let CMS go just as they let Murray go. If need be, if Hoskins cant find a club they will sign him on a one year deal with an option. Remember, they let Lopez go and then brought him back.just at the beginning of last season. They might even bring him back again along with Orlandi if they can't find anyone to fill the gaps. Maybe I'm wrong, could be they had a clear out to bring in new players. But where are these new players? If they can't get them and with only half a team it might be come back all is forgive. Bit of a shambles really[/p][/quote]Agree , we are now looking for free players , give them two three year deals, and it looks great on paper, but in reality we are running scared, , if we let ulloa go it will be made to look like we battled to keep him, and stuck it out for big money. What happens next is players like Buckley , march , and maybe ince start questioning if they should move with hope of more money , or a side with ambition. From 12 months ago our squad is where? I can't see the plan. mark by the sea
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7:45am Thu 29 May 14

brightonup says...

mark by the sea wrote:
pte wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
pte wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
pte wrote:
If Leicester know Brighton want around 10m are not put off by that and are still after Ulloa then they must be prepared to pay it or something near to it. I guess their final offer will be 7-8.5m

I think they will take 8m and sit on the money hoping CMS will give them a year without having to spend before finally going on a Bosman. Or they might decide to sell CMS now if an offer of 3m came in. If they have to sign a striker it will be for 1m, 2m tops
I agree with the first part of your comment, but the second part takes some working out.

Sell Ulloa and we are left with just CMS, so we are two strikers short. Sell Ulloa and CMS, and we have zip, don't see how then signing a single striker for 1 or 2 million works for us.
Sell Ulloa and we rely on CMS by getting a manager who uses the best tactics to get the most out of him. By keeping him for a year and letting him go on a Bosman though painful means the club can comfortably sit on the Ulloa cash and do nothing for a year. They might have a little flutter and invest in a lower league striker 500k-1m and if that doesn't come through spend another mill on a player in a years time.

But they could sell CMS now and reinvest 2m on a new striker. Either way they won't have to dip into the Ulloa money.

Will that get us promotion? Of course not and thats not the intended objective. What it does do is reduce the wage bill by nearly 2 million and leave 10 mill in the kitty not including the Bridcutt money any money for a possible Buckley sale.

Rather than invest a mill in a lower league player, if they can't find one and Hoskins cant find a club they could offer him 3k per week with an option for a long contract if he performs well.

This makes good business sense and I think a few fans are half expecting it to happen even though its not what they want. Remember they didnt rush out and spend the Bridcutt cash and they bottled it with Grabban even though they could have had him for 1m or 1/2m considering they had 1/2m from the Barnes sale. They let TK go and we thought that was because he had a Prem club lined up, but in fact I don't think he's been snapped up yet or has he?
I have to wonder if it's all clever stuff, did we want upson to stay? If we took ward on loan at 12k a week, how much was upson on?
Better we stick with dunk on 4 k a week , and hope he comes good, if this is moving with our 5 year plan ! Lol
Its clever stuff to a degree if your main motivation is to play safe and just make money year in year out without busting a gut to get promoted like Deadly Doug at Aston Villa which accounts for why they never did anything in the Prem.


To me Brighton are a club that's lost it's bottle regarding player acquistion. I know you have to speculate to accumulate and Brighton have missed out on many players they could have bought on the cheap. But they've lost their nerve as a result of overspending on overpriced players.

They went into the championship buying Hoskins Buckley and CMS. But since then the only big money purchase was Ulloa. The return from the massive investment (transfer fees and wages) from the first three in terms of performance and resale value hasn't been that great.

Being resigned to losing the overpriced CMS on a Bosman will make the club draw in on itself and cautiously sit on the Ulloa and Bridcutt money. They will look on that money as compensation for the money they lost on CMS

They won't think of the money they could have made on Van Dyke Grabben or all the others, but the money they lost on Hoskins and will lose on CMS.

As far as speculating to accumulate, they will say they already speculated big on CMS, Buckley and Hoskins and got nowt. But they picked up Noone and Bridcutt for peanuts and cashed in and they will hope to do that again.

Not saying they are right but it's obvious that's what their thinking is. I think when Gus was here, the negotiated for players they had no intention of signing because the price was always going to be too high. But its a political game they play with the manager. They can't tell him directly he cant have a player so they go through the motions and then find a way of scuppering any deal.
They will let CMS go just as they let Murray go.
If need be, if Hoskins cant find a club they will sign him on a one year deal with an option. Remember, they let Lopez go and then brought him back.just at the beginning of last season. They might even bring him back again along with Orlandi if they can't find anyone to fill the gaps.

Maybe I'm wrong, could be they had a clear out to bring in new players. But where are these new players? If they can't get them and with only half a team it might be come back all is forgive.

Bit of a shambles really
Agree , we are now looking for free players , give them two three year deals, and it looks great on paper, but in reality we are running scared, , if we let ulloa go it will be made to look like we battled to keep him, and stuck it out for big money.
What happens next is players like Buckley , march , and maybe ince start questioning if they should move with hope of more money , or a side with ambition.
From 12 months ago our squad is where? I can't see the plan.
Glass half full?
Tosh!
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pte[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pte[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pte[/bold] wrote: If Leicester know Brighton want around 10m are not put off by that and are still after Ulloa then they must be prepared to pay it or something near to it. I guess their final offer will be 7-8.5m I think they will take 8m and sit on the money hoping CMS will give them a year without having to spend before finally going on a Bosman. Or they might decide to sell CMS now if an offer of 3m came in. If they have to sign a striker it will be for 1m, 2m tops[/p][/quote]I agree with the first part of your comment, but the second part takes some working out. Sell Ulloa and we are left with just CMS, so we are two strikers short. Sell Ulloa and CMS, and we have zip, don't see how then signing a single striker for 1 or 2 million works for us.[/p][/quote]Sell Ulloa and we rely on CMS by getting a manager who uses the best tactics to get the most out of him. By keeping him for a year and letting him go on a Bosman though painful means the club can comfortably sit on the Ulloa cash and do nothing for a year. They might have a little flutter and invest in a lower league striker 500k-1m and if that doesn't come through spend another mill on a player in a years time. But they could sell CMS now and reinvest 2m on a new striker. Either way they won't have to dip into the Ulloa money. Will that get us promotion? Of course not and thats not the intended objective. What it does do is reduce the wage bill by nearly 2 million and leave 10 mill in the kitty not including the Bridcutt money any money for a possible Buckley sale. Rather than invest a mill in a lower league player, if they can't find one and Hoskins cant find a club they could offer him 3k per week with an option for a long contract if he performs well. This makes good business sense and I think a few fans are half expecting it to happen even though its not what they want. Remember they didnt rush out and spend the Bridcutt cash and they bottled it with Grabban even though they could have had him for 1m or 1/2m considering they had 1/2m from the Barnes sale. They let TK go and we thought that was because he had a Prem club lined up, but in fact I don't think he's been snapped up yet or has he?[/p][/quote]I have to wonder if it's all clever stuff, did we want upson to stay? If we took ward on loan at 12k a week, how much was upson on? Better we stick with dunk on 4 k a week , and hope he comes good, if this is moving with our 5 year plan ! Lol[/p][/quote]Its clever stuff to a degree if your main motivation is to play safe and just make money year in year out without busting a gut to get promoted like Deadly Doug at Aston Villa which accounts for why they never did anything in the Prem. To me Brighton are a club that's lost it's bottle regarding player acquistion. I know you have to speculate to accumulate and Brighton have missed out on many players they could have bought on the cheap. But they've lost their nerve as a result of overspending on overpriced players. They went into the championship buying Hoskins Buckley and CMS. But since then the only big money purchase was Ulloa. The return from the massive investment (transfer fees and wages) from the first three in terms of performance and resale value hasn't been that great. Being resigned to losing the overpriced CMS on a Bosman will make the club draw in on itself and cautiously sit on the Ulloa and Bridcutt money. They will look on that money as compensation for the money they lost on CMS They won't think of the money they could have made on Van Dyke Grabben or all the others, but the money they lost on Hoskins and will lose on CMS. As far as speculating to accumulate, they will say they already speculated big on CMS, Buckley and Hoskins and got nowt. But they picked up Noone and Bridcutt for peanuts and cashed in and they will hope to do that again. Not saying they are right but it's obvious that's what their thinking is. I think when Gus was here, the negotiated for players they had no intention of signing because the price was always going to be too high. But its a political game they play with the manager. They can't tell him directly he cant have a player so they go through the motions and then find a way of scuppering any deal. They will let CMS go just as they let Murray go. If need be, if Hoskins cant find a club they will sign him on a one year deal with an option. Remember, they let Lopez go and then brought him back.just at the beginning of last season. They might even bring him back again along with Orlandi if they can't find anyone to fill the gaps. Maybe I'm wrong, could be they had a clear out to bring in new players. But where are these new players? If they can't get them and with only half a team it might be come back all is forgive. Bit of a shambles really[/p][/quote]Agree , we are now looking for free players , give them two three year deals, and it looks great on paper, but in reality we are running scared, , if we let ulloa go it will be made to look like we battled to keep him, and stuck it out for big money. What happens next is players like Buckley , march , and maybe ince start questioning if they should move with hope of more money , or a side with ambition. From 12 months ago our squad is where? I can't see the plan.[/p][/quote]Glass half full? Tosh! brightonup
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