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Leicester look elsewhere - but 'still interested' in Ulloa

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Premier League new boys Leicester City have turned their immediate attentions away from Albion star Leo Ulloa.

But the Foxes, who have had seven-figure bids for the Seagulls’ top scorer rebuffed, are believed to still be keeping tabs on the striker.

Leicester are in talks with Frazier Campbell of Cardiff and are reported to be keen on Yuri Movsisyan of Spartak Moscow.

But the Argus understands that does not mean they have admitted defeat in their attempts to lure Ulloa to the King Power Stadium.

A spokesman for Ulloa said last night: “We understand Leicester are still interested but there has been no further update over the last few days.”

The Seagulls have made it clear they have no need to sell their frontman.

Manager Sami Hyypia is keen to talk with Ulloa when both men are back at work in preparation for next season.

Hyypia has also stressed his desire to keep Ulloa on board and has vowed to assess attacking options available to him before making any tactical plans.

Ulloa and his family, who jetted off to Argentina together soon after lastseason ended, are all happy in Brighton and Hove.

But the striker is also ambitious to play in the Premier League.

Hyypia has been studying player options but fans still await the first signing of his tenure.

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8:12am Mon 23 Jun 14

Mayfield sweeper says...

The problem is Ulloa knows he is wanted in the premier league we may be better off selling him. He looked like his head was elsewhere at times last season with the transfer speculation, think Gus is involved as well and this is no good for us. We could then use the money for the important task of rebuilding the squad as we are desperately short of the quality needed fior promotion. We need new players in almost every position right now and the clock is ticking down on the new season.
The problem is Ulloa knows he is wanted in the premier league we may be better off selling him. He looked like his head was elsewhere at times last season with the transfer speculation, think Gus is involved as well and this is no good for us. We could then use the money for the important task of rebuilding the squad as we are desperately short of the quality needed fior promotion. We need new players in almost every position right now and the clock is ticking down on the new season. Mayfield sweeper
  • Score: -26

8:47am Mon 23 Jun 14

pablobrowno says...

Every player has his price, we are obviously not prepared to under value our player. Good for us, the difference is we no longer NEED to sell if we feel the deal isn't right. Should someone come in with an 8-10 million bid and the player wants to go then the business head would surely say the time is right to sell. That money could surely be used very effectively to sign out of contract players such as replacements for Upson, Barnes, and the midfielders we will likely need. Not to mention re-signing Ward. Oh I forgot the GK!

What will be will be...
Every player has his price, we are obviously not prepared to under value our player. Good for us, the difference is we no longer NEED to sell if we feel the deal isn't right. Should someone come in with an 8-10 million bid and the player wants to go then the business head would surely say the time is right to sell. That money could surely be used very effectively to sign out of contract players such as replacements for Upson, Barnes, and the midfielders we will likely need. Not to mention re-signing Ward. Oh I forgot the GK! What will be will be... pablobrowno
  • Score: 8

8:53am Mon 23 Jun 14

JeffLomer says...

Morning, Leo is under contract with us until some club pays what we value him not a penny less, only sell if Hyppia is given the money to buy new players, to be honest I would like the club to keep him and buy some more quality players to help us have a better chance for promotion.
Up the Albion!!
Morning, Leo is under contract with us until some club pays what we value him not a penny less, only sell if Hyppia is given the money to buy new players, to be honest I would like the club to keep him and buy some more quality players to help us have a better chance for promotion. Up the Albion!! JeffLomer
  • Score: 15

9:28am Mon 23 Jun 14

the taffster says...

The club had a loss of 16 million last campaign, so any sale of ulloa would surely go on reducing that deficit and not players....
The club had a loss of 16 million last campaign, so any sale of ulloa would surely go on reducing that deficit and not players.... the taffster
  • Score: -18

10:12am Mon 23 Jun 14

JeffLomer says...

the taffster wrote:
The club had a loss of 16 million last campaign, so any sale of ulloa would surely go on reducing that deficit and not players....
Unfortunately you could be right taffster, Leo got to be more valuable to us than any team in the premiership, if he stays and helps us get promoted the money we would receive from sky and the premiership would make his valuation look like peanuts, let's keep him because what ever we receive probably wouldn't be spent on new players, not all off it anyway, just my opinion.
[quote][p][bold]the taffster[/bold] wrote: The club had a loss of 16 million last campaign, so any sale of ulloa would surely go on reducing that deficit and not players....[/p][/quote]Unfortunately you could be right taffster, Leo got to be more valuable to us than any team in the premiership, if he stays and helps us get promoted the money we would receive from sky and the premiership would make his valuation look like peanuts, let's keep him because what ever we receive probably wouldn't be spent on new players, not all off it anyway, just my opinion. JeffLomer
  • Score: 3

10:31am Mon 23 Jun 14

pjwilk says...

Yes but more important who are we interested in buying so that we can compete this coming season.Oh i forgot we are just a feeder club for bigger teams like Leicester and Burnley.We are a small and less ambitious outfit.
Yes but more important who are we interested in buying so that we can compete this coming season.Oh i forgot we are just a feeder club for bigger teams like Leicester and Burnley.We are a small and less ambitious outfit. pjwilk
  • Score: -35

10:53am Mon 23 Jun 14

Albion In Staffs says...

JeffLomer wrote:
the taffster wrote:
The club had a loss of 16 million last campaign, so any sale of ulloa would surely go on reducing that deficit and not players....
Unfortunately you could be right taffster, Leo got to be more valuable to us than any team in the premiership, if he stays and helps us get promoted the money we would receive from sky and the premiership would make his valuation look like peanuts, let's keep him because what ever we receive probably wouldn't be spent on new players, not all off it anyway, just my opinion.
I think the whole point of the club looking to reduce costs in every area over the last 18 months is intended to allow for a greater allocation of available finance to spend on the team rather than interest or loan repayments. The fact we've apparently fended off a £7m bid would suggest that.
So I'm comfortable the club doesn't have to sell but will do if it helps from an overall team perspective.
[quote][p][bold]JeffLomer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the taffster[/bold] wrote: The club had a loss of 16 million last campaign, so any sale of ulloa would surely go on reducing that deficit and not players....[/p][/quote]Unfortunately you could be right taffster, Leo got to be more valuable to us than any team in the premiership, if he stays and helps us get promoted the money we would receive from sky and the premiership would make his valuation look like peanuts, let's keep him because what ever we receive probably wouldn't be spent on new players, not all off it anyway, just my opinion.[/p][/quote]I think the whole point of the club looking to reduce costs in every area over the last 18 months is intended to allow for a greater allocation of available finance to spend on the team rather than interest or loan repayments. The fact we've apparently fended off a £7m bid would suggest that. So I'm comfortable the club doesn't have to sell but will do if it helps from an overall team perspective. Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 7

11:01am Mon 23 Jun 14

B rian Tawses left foot says...

Camp Nigel says...

Ringtone is one of the highlights of this forum. I particularly enjoy the cutting put downs to some of the more pompous posters here who think they know more about soccer than the rest of us. In my imagination ringtone has the face of Clarke Gable, the body of Brad Pitt in 'fight club' and the wit and intellect of Stephen Fry. If only ..........one day my prince will come.

Ah yes - the old 'Kodak Song' - Some day my prints will come.
Camp Nigel says... Ringtone is one of the highlights of this forum. I particularly enjoy the cutting put downs to some of the more pompous posters here who think they know more about soccer than the rest of us. In my imagination ringtone has the face of Clarke Gable, the body of Brad Pitt in 'fight club' and the wit and intellect of Stephen Fry. If only ..........one day my prince will come. Ah yes - the old 'Kodak Song' - Some day my prints will come. B rian Tawses left foot
  • Score: -17

11:18am Mon 23 Jun 14

Mayfield sweeper says...

There is of course another side to this saga, Ulloa clearly has ambition of playing in the premier league, so the club could match his ambition by signing players of a good enough quality to get there, convince him that every fibre of the club is striving for promotion and we may persuade him to stay. It wasn't so long ago that another south American discovered that the Albions ambition did not match his own, hopefully we can avoid a repeat scenario. If he remains here but no proper investment is made he will not feel like putting in a good performance next season, we all saw the signs of it creeping in last season. It's down to the suits now.
There is of course another side to this saga, Ulloa clearly has ambition of playing in the premier league, so the club could match his ambition by signing players of a good enough quality to get there, convince him that every fibre of the club is striving for promotion and we may persuade him to stay. It wasn't so long ago that another south American discovered that the Albions ambition did not match his own, hopefully we can avoid a repeat scenario. If he remains here but no proper investment is made he will not feel like putting in a good performance next season, we all saw the signs of it creeping in last season. It's down to the suits now. Mayfield sweeper
  • Score: -1

11:43am Mon 23 Jun 14

Kit Napier's Beard says...

More "old news" yet again, is nothing new coming out of the Amex about the team?
More "old news" yet again, is nothing new coming out of the Amex about the team? Kit Napier's Beard
  • Score: -4

12:26pm Mon 23 Jun 14

JeffLomer says...

Albion In Staffs wrote:
JeffLomer wrote:
the taffster wrote:
The club had a loss of 16 million last campaign, so any sale of ulloa would surely go on reducing that deficit and not players....
Unfortunately you could be right taffster, Leo got to be more valuable to us than any team in the premiership, if he stays and helps us get promoted the money we would receive from sky and the premiership would make his valuation look like peanuts, let's keep him because what ever we receive probably wouldn't be spent on new players, not all off it anyway, just my opinion.
I think the whole point of the club looking to reduce costs in every area over the last 18 months is intended to allow for a greater allocation of available finance to spend on the team rather than interest or loan repayments. The fact we've apparently fended off a £7m bid would suggest that.
So I'm comfortable the club doesn't have to sell but will do if it helps from an overall team perspective.
Campbell has only got a £800,000 release clause at Cardiff, he is the sort off player we should be after for that price, the sale off Barnes would nearly cover that fee,
[quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JeffLomer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the taffster[/bold] wrote: The club had a loss of 16 million last campaign, so any sale of ulloa would surely go on reducing that deficit and not players....[/p][/quote]Unfortunately you could be right taffster, Leo got to be more valuable to us than any team in the premiership, if he stays and helps us get promoted the money we would receive from sky and the premiership would make his valuation look like peanuts, let's keep him because what ever we receive probably wouldn't be spent on new players, not all off it anyway, just my opinion.[/p][/quote]I think the whole point of the club looking to reduce costs in every area over the last 18 months is intended to allow for a greater allocation of available finance to spend on the team rather than interest or loan repayments. The fact we've apparently fended off a £7m bid would suggest that. So I'm comfortable the club doesn't have to sell but will do if it helps from an overall team perspective.[/p][/quote]Campbell has only got a £800,000 release clause at Cardiff, he is the sort off player we should be after for that price, the sale off Barnes would nearly cover that fee, JeffLomer
  • Score: 5

12:37pm Mon 23 Jun 14

Albion In Staffs says...

Kit Napier's Beard wrote:
More "old news" yet again, is nothing new coming out of the Amex about the team?
Clearly not..
[quote][p][bold]Kit Napier's Beard[/bold] wrote: More "old news" yet again, is nothing new coming out of the Amex about the team?[/p][/quote]Clearly not.. Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 0

12:46pm Mon 23 Jun 14

Justin says...

the taffster wrote:
The club had a loss of 16 million last campaign, so any sale of ulloa would surely go on reducing that deficit and not players....
The loss was presumably funded by the chairman so there's no debt to be repaid. More than £3M of unfunded debt is anyway not permitted under FFP which the club are committed to. What the Albion will presumably be doing this coming season is keeping the loss to the amount permitted under FFP (£8M if at least £5M is funded).
[quote][p][bold]the taffster[/bold] wrote: The club had a loss of 16 million last campaign, so any sale of ulloa would surely go on reducing that deficit and not players....[/p][/quote]The loss was presumably funded by the chairman so there's no debt to be repaid. More than £3M of unfunded debt is anyway not permitted under FFP which the club are committed to. What the Albion will presumably be doing this coming season is keeping the loss to the amount permitted under FFP (£8M if at least £5M is funded). Justin
  • Score: 7

1:09pm Mon 23 Jun 14

Cap'n Pugwash says...

Kit Napier's Beard wrote:
More "old news" yet again, is nothing new coming out of the Amex about the team?
This is not The Albion of old where names and false hopes were fed to The Argus on a regular basis, mainly because during the Withdean years bums (season ticket holders) on seats was critical to keep the club going. That worked for a while but it also alerted the likes of Reading who we had scouted and they promptly nicked players who were abou to join us. Other clubs could all pay more than us.
Now things are a little different and the club no longer alerts other clubs as to whom our scouting network have found. Announcements now get made about players we HAVE signed.
I like the new way.
[quote][p][bold]Kit Napier's Beard[/bold] wrote: More "old news" yet again, is nothing new coming out of the Amex about the team?[/p][/quote]This is not The Albion of old where names and false hopes were fed to The Argus on a regular basis, mainly because during the Withdean years bums (season ticket holders) on seats was critical to keep the club going. That worked for a while but it also alerted the likes of Reading who we had scouted and they promptly nicked players who were abou to join us. Other clubs could all pay more than us. Now things are a little different and the club no longer alerts other clubs as to whom our scouting network have found. Announcements now get made about players we HAVE signed. I like the new way. Cap'n Pugwash
  • Score: 19

2:08pm Mon 23 Jun 14

VegasSeagull says...

When Hyypia talks with Ulloa my guess is that both player and club ambitions will be the focal point, a clear understanding of how both parties see the future will reached. Once all the niceties have been exchanged the only question that really matters will be asked by the club, what is it going to cost to keep you for another season?

If Ulloa's agent comes up with a pay package and an agreeable release clause, a new deal could be reached that would secure Leo's services for the coming season. Come the January window it might be that the release clause is triggered by a desperate club, especially if he is scoring goals, and that is something we would just have to live with.
We shouldn't forget that only one club has shown any genuine interest in Leo, and if that's the way things stay, there isn't any real pressure on Leicester to up their bid. There seems to be a question mark hanging over Leo, can he deliver at prem level, so far only Leicester thinks he can and that should help us to retain him for now.

Leo is an 8 to 10 million pound gamble right now, if it doesn't work out for him in the prem he could be the next Zaha, bought for big money and now not sure where his future lies. One more season with us might just confirm Leo's status as a natural goal scorer, the type that prem clubs want.
When Hyypia talks with Ulloa my guess is that both player and club ambitions will be the focal point, a clear understanding of how both parties see the future will reached. Once all the niceties have been exchanged the only question that really matters will be asked by the club, what is it going to cost to keep you for another season? If Ulloa's agent comes up with a pay package and an agreeable release clause, a new deal could be reached that would secure Leo's services for the coming season. Come the January window it might be that the release clause is triggered by a desperate club, especially if he is scoring goals, and that is something we would just have to live with. We shouldn't forget that only one club has shown any genuine interest in Leo, and if that's the way things stay, there isn't any real pressure on Leicester to up their bid. There seems to be a question mark hanging over Leo, can he deliver at prem level, so far only Leicester thinks he can and that should help us to retain him for now. Leo is an 8 to 10 million pound gamble right now, if it doesn't work out for him in the prem he could be the next Zaha, bought for big money and now not sure where his future lies. One more season with us might just confirm Leo's status as a natural goal scorer, the type that prem clubs want. VegasSeagull
  • Score: -1

2:34pm Mon 23 Jun 14

gordongull says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
When Hyypia talks with Ulloa my guess is that both player and club ambitions will be the focal point, a clear understanding of how both parties see the future will reached. Once all the niceties have been exchanged the only question that really matters will be asked by the club, what is it going to cost to keep you for another season?

If Ulloa's agent comes up with a pay package and an agreeable release clause, a new deal could be reached that would secure Leo's services for the coming season. Come the January window it might be that the release clause is triggered by a desperate club, especially if he is scoring goals, and that is something we would just have to live with.
We shouldn't forget that only one club has shown any genuine interest in Leo, and if that's the way things stay, there isn't any real pressure on Leicester to up their bid. There seems to be a question mark hanging over Leo, can he deliver at prem level, so far only Leicester thinks he can and that should help us to retain him for now.

Leo is an 8 to 10 million pound gamble right now, if it doesn't work out for him in the prem he could be the next Zaha, bought for big money and now not sure where his future lies. One more season with us might just confirm Leo's status as a natural goal scorer, the type that prem clubs want.
If Leo had benefited from a decent level of service, Vegas, and hadn't been injured he would probably have scored 25-30 goals last season. If that had been the case, I think he would have gone before now for £10m+.
But as things are, he is something of an unknown quantity, and Clubs are not queuing up for his services.
I agree with your point about keeping him for another season.
If we play a system that uses his full potential, he could score us a lot of goals, while at the same time increasing his value in the transfer market.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: When Hyypia talks with Ulloa my guess is that both player and club ambitions will be the focal point, a clear understanding of how both parties see the future will reached. Once all the niceties have been exchanged the only question that really matters will be asked by the club, what is it going to cost to keep you for another season? If Ulloa's agent comes up with a pay package and an agreeable release clause, a new deal could be reached that would secure Leo's services for the coming season. Come the January window it might be that the release clause is triggered by a desperate club, especially if he is scoring goals, and that is something we would just have to live with. We shouldn't forget that only one club has shown any genuine interest in Leo, and if that's the way things stay, there isn't any real pressure on Leicester to up their bid. There seems to be a question mark hanging over Leo, can he deliver at prem level, so far only Leicester thinks he can and that should help us to retain him for now. Leo is an 8 to 10 million pound gamble right now, if it doesn't work out for him in the prem he could be the next Zaha, bought for big money and now not sure where his future lies. One more season with us might just confirm Leo's status as a natural goal scorer, the type that prem clubs want.[/p][/quote]If Leo had benefited from a decent level of service, Vegas, and hadn't been injured he would probably have scored 25-30 goals last season. If that had been the case, I think he would have gone before now for £10m+. But as things are, he is something of an unknown quantity, and Clubs are not queuing up for his services. I agree with your point about keeping him for another season. If we play a system that uses his full potential, he could score us a lot of goals, while at the same time increasing his value in the transfer market. gordongull
  • Score: 10

2:35pm Mon 23 Jun 14

Albion In Staffs says...

Justin wrote:
the taffster wrote:
The club had a loss of 16 million last campaign, so any sale of ulloa would surely go on reducing that deficit and not players....
The loss was presumably funded by the chairman so there's no debt to be repaid. More than £3M of unfunded debt is anyway not permitted under FFP which the club are committed to. What the Albion will presumably be doing this coming season is keeping the loss to the amount permitted under FFP (£8M if at least £5M is funded).
Your assessment sounds about right, although I'm not sure that just because The Chairman covered some of the losses out of his own pocket, the money isn't repayable at some point in the future!
[quote][p][bold]Justin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the taffster[/bold] wrote: The club had a loss of 16 million last campaign, so any sale of ulloa would surely go on reducing that deficit and not players....[/p][/quote]The loss was presumably funded by the chairman so there's no debt to be repaid. More than £3M of unfunded debt is anyway not permitted under FFP which the club are committed to. What the Albion will presumably be doing this coming season is keeping the loss to the amount permitted under FFP (£8M if at least £5M is funded).[/p][/quote]Your assessment sounds about right, although I'm not sure that just because The Chairman covered some of the losses out of his own pocket, the money isn't repayable at some point in the future! Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 2

2:41pm Mon 23 Jun 14

don't wanna do it like that says...

Cap'n Pugwash wrote:
Kit Napier's Beard wrote:
More "old news" yet again, is nothing new coming out of the Amex about the team?
This is not The Albion of old where names and false hopes were fed to The Argus on a regular basis, mainly because during the Withdean years bums (season ticket holders) on seats was critical to keep the club going. That worked for a while but it also alerted the likes of Reading who we had scouted and they promptly nicked players who were abou to join us. Other clubs could all pay more than us.
Now things are a little different and the club no longer alerts other clubs as to whom our scouting network have found. Announcements now get made about players we HAVE signed.
I like the new way.
Good post,apart the last bit.

You think AGENTS play the game fair,they put one club up against another.

The Argus seem now to get scoops from Finland.
[quote][p][bold]Cap'n Pugwash[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Kit Napier's Beard[/bold] wrote: More "old news" yet again, is nothing new coming out of the Amex about the team?[/p][/quote]This is not The Albion of old where names and false hopes were fed to The Argus on a regular basis, mainly because during the Withdean years bums (season ticket holders) on seats was critical to keep the club going. That worked for a while but it also alerted the likes of Reading who we had scouted and they promptly nicked players who were abou to join us. Other clubs could all pay more than us. Now things are a little different and the club no longer alerts other clubs as to whom our scouting network have found. Announcements now get made about players we HAVE signed. I like the new way.[/p][/quote]Good post,apart the last bit. You think AGENTS play the game fair,they put one club up against another. The Argus seem now to get scoops from Finland. don't wanna do it like that
  • Score: -3

2:47pm Mon 23 Jun 14

Mayfield sweeper says...

gordongull wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
When Hyypia talks with Ulloa my guess is that both player and club ambitions will be the focal point, a clear understanding of how both parties see the future will reached. Once all the niceties have been exchanged the only question that really matters will be asked by the club, what is it going to cost to keep you for another season?

If Ulloa's agent comes up with a pay package and an agreeable release clause, a new deal could be reached that would secure Leo's services for the coming season. Come the January window it might be that the release clause is triggered by a desperate club, especially if he is scoring goals, and that is something we would just have to live with.
We shouldn't forget that only one club has shown any genuine interest in Leo, and if that's the way things stay, there isn't any real pressure on Leicester to up their bid. There seems to be a question mark hanging over Leo, can he deliver at prem level, so far only Leicester thinks he can and that should help us to retain him for now.

Leo is an 8 to 10 million pound gamble right now, if it doesn't work out for him in the prem he could be the next Zaha, bought for big money and now not sure where his future lies. One more season with us might just confirm Leo's status as a natural goal scorer, the type that prem clubs want.
If Leo had benefited from a decent level of service, Vegas, and hadn't been injured he would probably have scored 25-30 goals last season. If that had been the case, I think he would have gone before now for £10m+.
But as things are, he is something of an unknown quantity, and Clubs are not queuing up for his services.
I agree with your point about keeping him for another season.
If we play a system that uses his full potential, he could score us a lot of goals, while at the same time increasing his value in the transfer market.
There have been rumours a while back that Gus is lurking in the background to take Ulloa to Sunderland, probably he is keeping quiet and waiting to see what unfolds in the transfer Market over the summer before making a move. Also Ulloa might want to put himself in the spotlight more to break into the Argentina squad.
[quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: When Hyypia talks with Ulloa my guess is that both player and club ambitions will be the focal point, a clear understanding of how both parties see the future will reached. Once all the niceties have been exchanged the only question that really matters will be asked by the club, what is it going to cost to keep you for another season? If Ulloa's agent comes up with a pay package and an agreeable release clause, a new deal could be reached that would secure Leo's services for the coming season. Come the January window it might be that the release clause is triggered by a desperate club, especially if he is scoring goals, and that is something we would just have to live with. We shouldn't forget that only one club has shown any genuine interest in Leo, and if that's the way things stay, there isn't any real pressure on Leicester to up their bid. There seems to be a question mark hanging over Leo, can he deliver at prem level, so far only Leicester thinks he can and that should help us to retain him for now. Leo is an 8 to 10 million pound gamble right now, if it doesn't work out for him in the prem he could be the next Zaha, bought for big money and now not sure where his future lies. One more season with us might just confirm Leo's status as a natural goal scorer, the type that prem clubs want.[/p][/quote]If Leo had benefited from a decent level of service, Vegas, and hadn't been injured he would probably have scored 25-30 goals last season. If that had been the case, I think he would have gone before now for £10m+. But as things are, he is something of an unknown quantity, and Clubs are not queuing up for his services. I agree with your point about keeping him for another season. If we play a system that uses his full potential, he could score us a lot of goals, while at the same time increasing his value in the transfer market.[/p][/quote]There have been rumours a while back that Gus is lurking in the background to take Ulloa to Sunderland, probably he is keeping quiet and waiting to see what unfolds in the transfer Market over the summer before making a move. Also Ulloa might want to put himself in the spotlight more to break into the Argentina squad. Mayfield sweeper
  • Score: -3

2:47pm Mon 23 Jun 14

VegasSeagull says...

gordongull wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
When Hyypia talks with Ulloa my guess is that both player and club ambitions will be the focal point, a clear understanding of how both parties see the future will reached. Once all the niceties have been exchanged the only question that really matters will be asked by the club, what is it going to cost to keep you for another season?

If Ulloa's agent comes up with a pay package and an agreeable release clause, a new deal could be reached that would secure Leo's services for the coming season. Come the January window it might be that the release clause is triggered by a desperate club, especially if he is scoring goals, and that is something we would just have to live with.
We shouldn't forget that only one club has shown any genuine interest in Leo, and if that's the way things stay, there isn't any real pressure on Leicester to up their bid. There seems to be a question mark hanging over Leo, can he deliver at prem level, so far only Leicester thinks he can and that should help us to retain him for now.

Leo is an 8 to 10 million pound gamble right now, if it doesn't work out for him in the prem he could be the next Zaha, bought for big money and now not sure where his future lies. One more season with us might just confirm Leo's status as a natural goal scorer, the type that prem clubs want.
If Leo had benefited from a decent level of service, Vegas, and hadn't been injured he would probably have scored 25-30 goals last season. If that had been the case, I think he would have gone before now for £10m+.
But as things are, he is something of an unknown quantity, and Clubs are not queuing up for his services.
I agree with your point about keeping him for another season.
If we play a system that uses his full potential, he could score us a lot of goals, while at the same time increasing his value in the transfer market.
Hi Gordon, yep better service may have led to more goals, and had he reached the total you suggest we might have got promotion, exactly the reason to hold on to him. The players Hyypia brings in might well influence Leo's decision.
[quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: When Hyypia talks with Ulloa my guess is that both player and club ambitions will be the focal point, a clear understanding of how both parties see the future will reached. Once all the niceties have been exchanged the only question that really matters will be asked by the club, what is it going to cost to keep you for another season? If Ulloa's agent comes up with a pay package and an agreeable release clause, a new deal could be reached that would secure Leo's services for the coming season. Come the January window it might be that the release clause is triggered by a desperate club, especially if he is scoring goals, and that is something we would just have to live with. We shouldn't forget that only one club has shown any genuine interest in Leo, and if that's the way things stay, there isn't any real pressure on Leicester to up their bid. There seems to be a question mark hanging over Leo, can he deliver at prem level, so far only Leicester thinks he can and that should help us to retain him for now. Leo is an 8 to 10 million pound gamble right now, if it doesn't work out for him in the prem he could be the next Zaha, bought for big money and now not sure where his future lies. One more season with us might just confirm Leo's status as a natural goal scorer, the type that prem clubs want.[/p][/quote]If Leo had benefited from a decent level of service, Vegas, and hadn't been injured he would probably have scored 25-30 goals last season. If that had been the case, I think he would have gone before now for £10m+. But as things are, he is something of an unknown quantity, and Clubs are not queuing up for his services. I agree with your point about keeping him for another season. If we play a system that uses his full potential, he could score us a lot of goals, while at the same time increasing his value in the transfer market.[/p][/quote]Hi Gordon, yep better service may have led to more goals, and had he reached the total you suggest we might have got promotion, exactly the reason to hold on to him. The players Hyypia brings in might well influence Leo's decision. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 7

2:49pm Mon 23 Jun 14

don't wanna do it like that says...

gordongull wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
When Hyypia talks with Ulloa my guess is that both player and club ambitions will be the focal point, a clear understanding of how both parties see the future will reached. Once all the niceties have been exchanged the only question that really matters will be asked by the club, what is it going to cost to keep you for another season?

If Ulloa's agent comes up with a pay package and an agreeable release clause, a new deal could be reached that would secure Leo's services for the coming season. Come the January window it might be that the release clause is triggered by a desperate club, especially if he is scoring goals, and that is something we would just have to live with.
We shouldn't forget that only one club has shown any genuine interest in Leo, and if that's the way things stay, there isn't any real pressure on Leicester to up their bid. There seems to be a question mark hanging over Leo, can he deliver at prem level, so far only Leicester thinks he can and that should help us to retain him for now.

Leo is an 8 to 10 million pound gamble right now, if it doesn't work out for him in the prem he could be the next Zaha, bought for big money and now not sure where his future lies. One more season with us might just confirm Leo's status as a natural goal scorer, the type that prem clubs want.
If Leo had benefited from a decent level of service, Vegas, and hadn't been injured he would probably have scored 25-30 goals last season. If that had been the case, I think he would have gone before now for £10m+.
But as things are, he is something of an unknown quantity, and Clubs are not queuing up for his services.
I agree with your point about keeping him for another season.
If we play a system that uses his full potential, he could score us a lot of goals, while at the same time increasing his value in the transfer market.
Scoring that many very funny,injuries agree.

Keeping him here whith the clock ticking (no new sigings)could be a disaster in the long run,if he thinks (more money),dare i say it better team.

Does he actually want to move on,if so let him go good luck.
[quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: When Hyypia talks with Ulloa my guess is that both player and club ambitions will be the focal point, a clear understanding of how both parties see the future will reached. Once all the niceties have been exchanged the only question that really matters will be asked by the club, what is it going to cost to keep you for another season? If Ulloa's agent comes up with a pay package and an agreeable release clause, a new deal could be reached that would secure Leo's services for the coming season. Come the January window it might be that the release clause is triggered by a desperate club, especially if he is scoring goals, and that is something we would just have to live with. We shouldn't forget that only one club has shown any genuine interest in Leo, and if that's the way things stay, there isn't any real pressure on Leicester to up their bid. There seems to be a question mark hanging over Leo, can he deliver at prem level, so far only Leicester thinks he can and that should help us to retain him for now. Leo is an 8 to 10 million pound gamble right now, if it doesn't work out for him in the prem he could be the next Zaha, bought for big money and now not sure where his future lies. One more season with us might just confirm Leo's status as a natural goal scorer, the type that prem clubs want.[/p][/quote]If Leo had benefited from a decent level of service, Vegas, and hadn't been injured he would probably have scored 25-30 goals last season. If that had been the case, I think he would have gone before now for £10m+. But as things are, he is something of an unknown quantity, and Clubs are not queuing up for his services. I agree with your point about keeping him for another season. If we play a system that uses his full potential, he could score us a lot of goals, while at the same time increasing his value in the transfer market.[/p][/quote]Scoring that many very funny,injuries agree. Keeping him here whith the clock ticking (no new sigings)could be a disaster in the long run,if he thinks (more money),dare i say it better team. Does he actually want to move on,if so let him go good luck. don't wanna do it like that
  • Score: -3

2:54pm Mon 23 Jun 14

VegasSeagull says...

Mayfield sweeper wrote:
gordongull wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
When Hyypia talks with Ulloa my guess is that both player and club ambitions will be the focal point, a clear understanding of how both parties see the future will reached. Once all the niceties have been exchanged the only question that really matters will be asked by the club, what is it going to cost to keep you for another season?

If Ulloa's agent comes up with a pay package and an agreeable release clause, a new deal could be reached that would secure Leo's services for the coming season. Come the January window it might be that the release clause is triggered by a desperate club, especially if he is scoring goals, and that is something we would just have to live with.
We shouldn't forget that only one club has shown any genuine interest in Leo, and if that's the way things stay, there isn't any real pressure on Leicester to up their bid. There seems to be a question mark hanging over Leo, can he deliver at prem level, so far only Leicester thinks he can and that should help us to retain him for now.

Leo is an 8 to 10 million pound gamble right now, if it doesn't work out for him in the prem he could be the next Zaha, bought for big money and now not sure where his future lies. One more season with us might just confirm Leo's status as a natural goal scorer, the type that prem clubs want.
If Leo had benefited from a decent level of service, Vegas, and hadn't been injured he would probably have scored 25-30 goals last season. If that had been the case, I think he would have gone before now for £10m+.
But as things are, he is something of an unknown quantity, and Clubs are not queuing up for his services.
I agree with your point about keeping him for another season.
If we play a system that uses his full potential, he could score us a lot of goals, while at the same time increasing his value in the transfer market.
There have been rumours a while back that Gus is lurking in the background to take Ulloa to Sunderland, probably he is keeping quiet and waiting to see what unfolds in the transfer Market over the summer before making a move. Also Ulloa might want to put himself in the spotlight more to break into the Argentina squad.
Rumors yes but rumors are not money on the table. Poyet might come in with an offer but so far he hasn't, and there might be others waiting to see how things develop, but at the end of the day, Leo remains a gamble. I think Poyet got it wrong with Bridcutt, 4 million was a great deal for Brighton, would the Sunderland board go for an 8 to 10 million gamble on Leo?
[quote][p][bold]Mayfield sweeper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: When Hyypia talks with Ulloa my guess is that both player and club ambitions will be the focal point, a clear understanding of how both parties see the future will reached. Once all the niceties have been exchanged the only question that really matters will be asked by the club, what is it going to cost to keep you for another season? If Ulloa's agent comes up with a pay package and an agreeable release clause, a new deal could be reached that would secure Leo's services for the coming season. Come the January window it might be that the release clause is triggered by a desperate club, especially if he is scoring goals, and that is something we would just have to live with. We shouldn't forget that only one club has shown any genuine interest in Leo, and if that's the way things stay, there isn't any real pressure on Leicester to up their bid. There seems to be a question mark hanging over Leo, can he deliver at prem level, so far only Leicester thinks he can and that should help us to retain him for now. Leo is an 8 to 10 million pound gamble right now, if it doesn't work out for him in the prem he could be the next Zaha, bought for big money and now not sure where his future lies. One more season with us might just confirm Leo's status as a natural goal scorer, the type that prem clubs want.[/p][/quote]If Leo had benefited from a decent level of service, Vegas, and hadn't been injured he would probably have scored 25-30 goals last season. If that had been the case, I think he would have gone before now for £10m+. But as things are, he is something of an unknown quantity, and Clubs are not queuing up for his services. I agree with your point about keeping him for another season. If we play a system that uses his full potential, he could score us a lot of goals, while at the same time increasing his value in the transfer market.[/p][/quote]There have been rumours a while back that Gus is lurking in the background to take Ulloa to Sunderland, probably he is keeping quiet and waiting to see what unfolds in the transfer Market over the summer before making a move. Also Ulloa might want to put himself in the spotlight more to break into the Argentina squad.[/p][/quote]Rumors yes but rumors are not money on the table. Poyet might come in with an offer but so far he hasn't, and there might be others waiting to see how things develop, but at the end of the day, Leo remains a gamble. I think Poyet got it wrong with Bridcutt, 4 million was a great deal for Brighton, would the Sunderland board go for an 8 to 10 million gamble on Leo? VegasSeagull
  • Score: -2

3:05pm Mon 23 Jun 14

Mayfield sweeper says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Mayfield sweeper wrote:
gordongull wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
When Hyypia talks with Ulloa my guess is that both player and club ambitions will be the focal point, a clear understanding of how both parties see the future will reached. Once all the niceties have been exchanged the only question that really matters will be asked by the club, what is it going to cost to keep you for another season?

If Ulloa's agent comes up with a pay package and an agreeable release clause, a new deal could be reached that would secure Leo's services for the coming season. Come the January window it might be that the release clause is triggered by a desperate club, especially if he is scoring goals, and that is something we would just have to live with.
We shouldn't forget that only one club has shown any genuine interest in Leo, and if that's the way things stay, there isn't any real pressure on Leicester to up their bid. There seems to be a question mark hanging over Leo, can he deliver at prem level, so far only Leicester thinks he can and that should help us to retain him for now.

Leo is an 8 to 10 million pound gamble right now, if it doesn't work out for him in the prem he could be the next Zaha, bought for big money and now not sure where his future lies. One more season with us might just confirm Leo's status as a natural goal scorer, the type that prem clubs want.
If Leo had benefited from a decent level of service, Vegas, and hadn't been injured he would probably have scored 25-30 goals last season. If that had been the case, I think he would have gone before now for £10m+.
But as things are, he is something of an unknown quantity, and Clubs are not queuing up for his services.
I agree with your point about keeping him for another season.
If we play a system that uses his full potential, he could score us a lot of goals, while at the same time increasing his value in the transfer market.
There have been rumours a while back that Gus is lurking in the background to take Ulloa to Sunderland, probably he is keeping quiet and waiting to see what unfolds in the transfer Market over the summer before making a move. Also Ulloa might want to put himself in the spotlight more to break into the Argentina squad.
Rumors yes but rumors are not money on the table. Poyet might come in with an offer but so far he hasn't, and there might be others waiting to see how things develop, but at the end of the day, Leo remains a gamble. I think Poyet got it wrong with Bridcutt, 4 million was a great deal for Brighton, would the Sunderland board go for an 8 to 10 million gamble on Leo?
It's entirely possible they might, 8-10 million is not a lot for a premier league club to spend and of course Gus knows him well. If Sunderland werent in the prem then probably not. It wouldn't be a total surprise if they made a move is all I will say.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mayfield sweeper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: When Hyypia talks with Ulloa my guess is that both player and club ambitions will be the focal point, a clear understanding of how both parties see the future will reached. Once all the niceties have been exchanged the only question that really matters will be asked by the club, what is it going to cost to keep you for another season? If Ulloa's agent comes up with a pay package and an agreeable release clause, a new deal could be reached that would secure Leo's services for the coming season. Come the January window it might be that the release clause is triggered by a desperate club, especially if he is scoring goals, and that is something we would just have to live with. We shouldn't forget that only one club has shown any genuine interest in Leo, and if that's the way things stay, there isn't any real pressure on Leicester to up their bid. There seems to be a question mark hanging over Leo, can he deliver at prem level, so far only Leicester thinks he can and that should help us to retain him for now. Leo is an 8 to 10 million pound gamble right now, if it doesn't work out for him in the prem he could be the next Zaha, bought for big money and now not sure where his future lies. One more season with us might just confirm Leo's status as a natural goal scorer, the type that prem clubs want.[/p][/quote]If Leo had benefited from a decent level of service, Vegas, and hadn't been injured he would probably have scored 25-30 goals last season. If that had been the case, I think he would have gone before now for £10m+. But as things are, he is something of an unknown quantity, and Clubs are not queuing up for his services. I agree with your point about keeping him for another season. If we play a system that uses his full potential, he could score us a lot of goals, while at the same time increasing his value in the transfer market.[/p][/quote]There have been rumours a while back that Gus is lurking in the background to take Ulloa to Sunderland, probably he is keeping quiet and waiting to see what unfolds in the transfer Market over the summer before making a move. Also Ulloa might want to put himself in the spotlight more to break into the Argentina squad.[/p][/quote]Rumors yes but rumors are not money on the table. Poyet might come in with an offer but so far he hasn't, and there might be others waiting to see how things develop, but at the end of the day, Leo remains a gamble. I think Poyet got it wrong with Bridcutt, 4 million was a great deal for Brighton, would the Sunderland board go for an 8 to 10 million gamble on Leo?[/p][/quote]It's entirely possible they might, 8-10 million is not a lot for a premier league club to spend and of course Gus knows him well. If Sunderland werent in the prem then probably not. It wouldn't be a total surprise if they made a move is all I will say. Mayfield sweeper
  • Score: -1

3:20pm Mon 23 Jun 14

don't wanna do it like that says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Mayfield sweeper wrote:
gordongull wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
When Hyypia talks with Ulloa my guess is that both player and club ambitions will be the focal point, a clear understanding of how both parties see the future will reached. Once all the niceties have been exchanged the only question that really matters will be asked by the club, what is it going to cost to keep you for another season?

If Ulloa's agent comes up with a pay package and an agreeable release clause, a new deal could be reached that would secure Leo's services for the coming season. Come the January window it might be that the release clause is triggered by a desperate club, especially if he is scoring goals, and that is something we would just have to live with.
We shouldn't forget that only one club has shown any genuine interest in Leo, and if that's the way things stay, there isn't any real pressure on Leicester to up their bid. There seems to be a question mark hanging over Leo, can he deliver at prem level, so far only Leicester thinks he can and that should help us to retain him for now.

Leo is an 8 to 10 million pound gamble right now, if it doesn't work out for him in the prem he could be the next Zaha, bought for big money and now not sure where his future lies. One more season with us might just confirm Leo's status as a natural goal scorer, the type that prem clubs want.
If Leo had benefited from a decent level of service, Vegas, and hadn't been injured he would probably have scored 25-30 goals last season. If that had been the case, I think he would have gone before now for £10m+.
But as things are, he is something of an unknown quantity, and Clubs are not queuing up for his services.
I agree with your point about keeping him for another season.
If we play a system that uses his full potential, he could score us a lot of goals, while at the same time increasing his value in the transfer market.
There have been rumours a while back that Gus is lurking in the background to take Ulloa to Sunderland, probably he is keeping quiet and waiting to see what unfolds in the transfer Market over the summer before making a move. Also Ulloa might want to put himself in the spotlight more to break into the Argentina squad.
Rumors yes but rumors are not money on the table. Poyet might come in with an offer but so far he hasn't, and there might be others waiting to see how things develop, but at the end of the day, Leo remains a gamble. I think Poyet got it wrong with Bridcutt, 4 million was a great deal for Brighton, would the Sunderland board go for an 8 to 10 million gamble on Leo?
Nice one the now ??? before yes maybe no.

You are always right.

Jesus where are your ringtone,he puts his foot in his mouth but does leave no speculaition on his thoughts posts.
No offence.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mayfield sweeper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: When Hyypia talks with Ulloa my guess is that both player and club ambitions will be the focal point, a clear understanding of how both parties see the future will reached. Once all the niceties have been exchanged the only question that really matters will be asked by the club, what is it going to cost to keep you for another season? If Ulloa's agent comes up with a pay package and an agreeable release clause, a new deal could be reached that would secure Leo's services for the coming season. Come the January window it might be that the release clause is triggered by a desperate club, especially if he is scoring goals, and that is something we would just have to live with. We shouldn't forget that only one club has shown any genuine interest in Leo, and if that's the way things stay, there isn't any real pressure on Leicester to up their bid. There seems to be a question mark hanging over Leo, can he deliver at prem level, so far only Leicester thinks he can and that should help us to retain him for now. Leo is an 8 to 10 million pound gamble right now, if it doesn't work out for him in the prem he could be the next Zaha, bought for big money and now not sure where his future lies. One more season with us might just confirm Leo's status as a natural goal scorer, the type that prem clubs want.[/p][/quote]If Leo had benefited from a decent level of service, Vegas, and hadn't been injured he would probably have scored 25-30 goals last season. If that had been the case, I think he would have gone before now for £10m+. But as things are, he is something of an unknown quantity, and Clubs are not queuing up for his services. I agree with your point about keeping him for another season. If we play a system that uses his full potential, he could score us a lot of goals, while at the same time increasing his value in the transfer market.[/p][/quote]There have been rumours a while back that Gus is lurking in the background to take Ulloa to Sunderland, probably he is keeping quiet and waiting to see what unfolds in the transfer Market over the summer before making a move. Also Ulloa might want to put himself in the spotlight more to break into the Argentina squad.[/p][/quote]Rumors yes but rumors are not money on the table. Poyet might come in with an offer but so far he hasn't, and there might be others waiting to see how things develop, but at the end of the day, Leo remains a gamble. I think Poyet got it wrong with Bridcutt, 4 million was a great deal for Brighton, would the Sunderland board go for an 8 to 10 million gamble on Leo?[/p][/quote]Nice one the now ??? before yes maybe no. You are always right. Jesus where are your ringtone,he puts his foot in his mouth but does leave no speculaition on his thoughts posts. No offence. don't wanna do it like that
  • Score: -4

4:25pm Mon 23 Jun 14

Captain Haddock says...

Cap'n Pugwash wrote:
Kit Napier's Beard wrote: More "old news" yet again, is nothing new coming out of the Amex about the team?
This is not The Albion of old where names and false hopes were fed to The Argus on a regular basis, mainly because during the Withdean years bums (season ticket holders) on seats was critical to keep the club going. That worked for a while but it also alerted the likes of Reading who we had scouted and they promptly nicked players who were abou to join us. Other clubs could all pay more than us. Now things are a little different and the club no longer alerts other clubs as to whom our scouting network have found. Announcements now get made about players we HAVE signed. I like the new way.
I heartily concur, fellow Captain!!!
[quote][p][bold]Cap'n Pugwash[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Kit Napier's Beard[/bold] wrote: More "old news" yet again, is nothing new coming out of the Amex about the team?[/p][/quote]This is not The Albion of old where names and false hopes were fed to The Argus on a regular basis, mainly because during the Withdean years bums (season ticket holders) on seats was critical to keep the club going. That worked for a while but it also alerted the likes of Reading who we had scouted and they promptly nicked players who were abou to join us. Other clubs could all pay more than us. Now things are a little different and the club no longer alerts other clubs as to whom our scouting network have found. Announcements now get made about players we HAVE signed. I like the new way.[/p][/quote]I heartily concur, fellow Captain!!! Captain Haddock
  • Score: 3

4:46pm Mon 23 Jun 14

gordongull says...

Captain Haddock wrote:
Cap'n Pugwash wrote:
Kit Napier's Beard wrote: More "old news" yet again, is nothing new coming out of the Amex about the team?
This is not The Albion of old where names and false hopes were fed to The Argus on a regular basis, mainly because during the Withdean years bums (season ticket holders) on seats was critical to keep the club going. That worked for a while but it also alerted the likes of Reading who we had scouted and they promptly nicked players who were abou to join us. Other clubs could all pay more than us. Now things are a little different and the club no longer alerts other clubs as to whom our scouting network have found. Announcements now get made about players we HAVE signed. I like the new way.
I heartily concur, fellow Captain!!!
Just heard that Nigel Adkins was seen boarding a plane to Helsinki.
[quote][p][bold]Captain Haddock[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cap'n Pugwash[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Kit Napier's Beard[/bold] wrote: More "old news" yet again, is nothing new coming out of the Amex about the team?[/p][/quote]This is not The Albion of old where names and false hopes were fed to The Argus on a regular basis, mainly because during the Withdean years bums (season ticket holders) on seats was critical to keep the club going. That worked for a while but it also alerted the likes of Reading who we had scouted and they promptly nicked players who were abou to join us. Other clubs could all pay more than us. Now things are a little different and the club no longer alerts other clubs as to whom our scouting network have found. Announcements now get made about players we HAVE signed. I like the new way.[/p][/quote]I heartily concur, fellow Captain!!![/p][/quote]Just heard that Nigel Adkins was seen boarding a plane to Helsinki. gordongull
  • Score: 2

5:31pm Mon 23 Jun 14

rutherfordce says...

So much conjecture hardly any facts
So much conjecture hardly any facts rutherfordce
  • Score: 0

5:35pm Mon 23 Jun 14

tinker111 says...

the taffster wrote:
The club had a loss of 16 million last campaign, so any sale of ulloa would surely go on reducing that deficit and not players....
If you believe this then god help you Creative accounting off shore and don't get taken in ???.
still think we should sell off Ulloa not that great but if money goes in Barber bank then NO
[quote][p][bold]the taffster[/bold] wrote: The club had a loss of 16 million last campaign, so any sale of ulloa would surely go on reducing that deficit and not players....[/p][/quote]If you believe this then god help you Creative accounting off shore and don't get taken in ???. still think we should sell off Ulloa not that great but if money goes in Barber bank then NO tinker111
  • Score: -6

6:35pm Mon 23 Jun 14

Albion In Staffs says...

Captain Haddock wrote:
Cap'n Pugwash wrote:
Kit Napier's Beard wrote: More "old news" yet again, is nothing new coming out of the Amex about the team?
This is not The Albion of old where names and false hopes were fed to The Argus on a regular basis, mainly because during the Withdean years bums (season ticket holders) on seats was critical to keep the club going. That worked for a while but it also alerted the likes of Reading who we had scouted and they promptly nicked players who were abou to join us. Other clubs could all pay more than us. Now things are a little different and the club no longer alerts other clubs as to whom our scouting network have found. Announcements now get made about players we HAVE signed. I like the new way.
I heartily concur, fellow Captain!!!
Don't think for a second that not telling the press keeps targets from other clubs. Too many people involved in a transfer, not least agents, so not telling the press makes no difference in terms of alerting other clubs.
[quote][p][bold]Captain Haddock[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cap'n Pugwash[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Kit Napier's Beard[/bold] wrote: More "old news" yet again, is nothing new coming out of the Amex about the team?[/p][/quote]This is not The Albion of old where names and false hopes were fed to The Argus on a regular basis, mainly because during the Withdean years bums (season ticket holders) on seats was critical to keep the club going. That worked for a while but it also alerted the likes of Reading who we had scouted and they promptly nicked players who were abou to join us. Other clubs could all pay more than us. Now things are a little different and the club no longer alerts other clubs as to whom our scouting network have found. Announcements now get made about players we HAVE signed. I like the new way.[/p][/quote]I heartily concur, fellow Captain!!![/p][/quote]Don't think for a second that not telling the press keeps targets from other clubs. Too many people involved in a transfer, not least agents, so not telling the press makes no difference in terms of alerting other clubs. Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 4

6:36pm Mon 23 Jun 14

Albion In Staffs says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Mayfield sweeper wrote:
gordongull wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
When Hyypia talks with Ulloa my guess is that both player and club ambitions will be the focal point, a clear understanding of how both parties see the future will reached. Once all the niceties have been exchanged the only question that really matters will be asked by the club, what is it going to cost to keep you for another season?

If Ulloa's agent comes up with a pay package and an agreeable release clause, a new deal could be reached that would secure Leo's services for the coming season. Come the January window it might be that the release clause is triggered by a desperate club, especially if he is scoring goals, and that is something we would just have to live with.
We shouldn't forget that only one club has shown any genuine interest in Leo, and if that's the way things stay, there isn't any real pressure on Leicester to up their bid. There seems to be a question mark hanging over Leo, can he deliver at prem level, so far only Leicester thinks he can and that should help us to retain him for now.

Leo is an 8 to 10 million pound gamble right now, if it doesn't work out for him in the prem he could be the next Zaha, bought for big money and now not sure where his future lies. One more season with us might just confirm Leo's status as a natural goal scorer, the type that prem clubs want.
If Leo had benefited from a decent level of service, Vegas, and hadn't been injured he would probably have scored 25-30 goals last season. If that had been the case, I think he would have gone before now for £10m+.
But as things are, he is something of an unknown quantity, and Clubs are not queuing up for his services.
I agree with your point about keeping him for another season.
If we play a system that uses his full potential, he could score us a lot of goals, while at the same time increasing his value in the transfer market.
There have been rumours a while back that Gus is lurking in the background to take Ulloa to Sunderland, probably he is keeping quiet and waiting to see what unfolds in the transfer Market over the summer before making a move. Also Ulloa might want to put himself in the spotlight more to break into the Argentina squad.
Rumors yes but rumors are not money on the table. Poyet might come in with an offer but so far he hasn't, and there might be others waiting to see how things develop, but at the end of the day, Leo remains a gamble. I think Poyet got it wrong with Bridcutt, 4 million was a great deal for Brighton, would the Sunderland board go for an 8 to 10 million gamble on Leo?
Bridcutt was £2.5m.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mayfield sweeper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: When Hyypia talks with Ulloa my guess is that both player and club ambitions will be the focal point, a clear understanding of how both parties see the future will reached. Once all the niceties have been exchanged the only question that really matters will be asked by the club, what is it going to cost to keep you for another season? If Ulloa's agent comes up with a pay package and an agreeable release clause, a new deal could be reached that would secure Leo's services for the coming season. Come the January window it might be that the release clause is triggered by a desperate club, especially if he is scoring goals, and that is something we would just have to live with. We shouldn't forget that only one club has shown any genuine interest in Leo, and if that's the way things stay, there isn't any real pressure on Leicester to up their bid. There seems to be a question mark hanging over Leo, can he deliver at prem level, so far only Leicester thinks he can and that should help us to retain him for now. Leo is an 8 to 10 million pound gamble right now, if it doesn't work out for him in the prem he could be the next Zaha, bought for big money and now not sure where his future lies. One more season with us might just confirm Leo's status as a natural goal scorer, the type that prem clubs want.[/p][/quote]If Leo had benefited from a decent level of service, Vegas, and hadn't been injured he would probably have scored 25-30 goals last season. If that had been the case, I think he would have gone before now for £10m+. But as things are, he is something of an unknown quantity, and Clubs are not queuing up for his services. I agree with your point about keeping him for another season. If we play a system that uses his full potential, he could score us a lot of goals, while at the same time increasing his value in the transfer market.[/p][/quote]There have been rumours a while back that Gus is lurking in the background to take Ulloa to Sunderland, probably he is keeping quiet and waiting to see what unfolds in the transfer Market over the summer before making a move. Also Ulloa might want to put himself in the spotlight more to break into the Argentina squad.[/p][/quote]Rumors yes but rumors are not money on the table. Poyet might come in with an offer but so far he hasn't, and there might be others waiting to see how things develop, but at the end of the day, Leo remains a gamble. I think Poyet got it wrong with Bridcutt, 4 million was a great deal for Brighton, would the Sunderland board go for an 8 to 10 million gamble on Leo?[/p][/quote]Bridcutt was £2.5m. Albion In Staffs
  • Score: -5

7:34pm Mon 23 Jun 14

ringtone says...

One trick pony, take 5 million for him.

Dont think we will see him in the blue and white stripes again unless playing for argentina and theres no chance of that happening.
One trick pony, take 5 million for him. Dont think we will see him in the blue and white stripes again unless playing for argentina and theres no chance of that happening. ringtone
  • Score: -4

7:41pm Mon 23 Jun 14

namgo49 says...

Mayfield sweeper wrote:
gordongull wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
When Hyypia talks with Ulloa my guess is that both player and club ambitions will be the focal point, a clear understanding of how both parties see the future will reached. Once all the niceties have been exchanged the only question that really matters will be asked by the club, what is it going to cost to keep you for another season?

If Ulloa's agent comes up with a pay package and an agreeable release clause, a new deal could be reached that would secure Leo's services for the coming season. Come the January window it might be that the release clause is triggered by a desperate club, especially if he is scoring goals, and that is something we would just have to live with.
We shouldn't forget that only one club has shown any genuine interest in Leo, and if that's the way things stay, there isn't any real pressure on Leicester to up their bid. There seems to be a question mark hanging over Leo, can he deliver at prem level, so far only Leicester thinks he can and that should help us to retain him for now.

Leo is an 8 to 10 million pound gamble right now, if it doesn't work out for him in the prem he could be the next Zaha, bought for big money and now not sure where his future lies. One more season with us might just confirm Leo's status as a natural goal scorer, the type that prem clubs want.
If Leo had benefited from a decent level of service, Vegas, and hadn't been injured he would probably have scored 25-30 goals last season. If that had been the case, I think he would have gone before now for £10m+.
But as things are, he is something of an unknown quantity, and Clubs are not queuing up for his services.
I agree with your point about keeping him for another season.
If we play a system that uses his full potential, he could score us a lot of goals, while at the same time increasing his value in the transfer market.
There have been rumours a while back that Gus is lurking in the background to take Ulloa to Sunderland, probably he is keeping quiet and waiting to see what unfolds in the transfer Market over the summer before making a move. Also Ulloa might want to put himself in the spotlight more to break into the Argentina squad.
Can't see that as a goer! It is very unlikely any Argentinian playing in England would attract the attention of his national team coach. Last one was Ardiles and then that was the other way round, ie he played for Argentina before he played for Tottenham.

Veron I don't think played for them much when he was with ManU. Oh I forgot Heinze, but he was established in the national team before he went to ManU.

When he is back from hols and meets with SH, if he is told we are getting Jessie Lingard again he will do a Bridcutt!
[quote][p][bold]Mayfield sweeper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: When Hyypia talks with Ulloa my guess is that both player and club ambitions will be the focal point, a clear understanding of how both parties see the future will reached. Once all the niceties have been exchanged the only question that really matters will be asked by the club, what is it going to cost to keep you for another season? If Ulloa's agent comes up with a pay package and an agreeable release clause, a new deal could be reached that would secure Leo's services for the coming season. Come the January window it might be that the release clause is triggered by a desperate club, especially if he is scoring goals, and that is something we would just have to live with. We shouldn't forget that only one club has shown any genuine interest in Leo, and if that's the way things stay, there isn't any real pressure on Leicester to up their bid. There seems to be a question mark hanging over Leo, can he deliver at prem level, so far only Leicester thinks he can and that should help us to retain him for now. Leo is an 8 to 10 million pound gamble right now, if it doesn't work out for him in the prem he could be the next Zaha, bought for big money and now not sure where his future lies. One more season with us might just confirm Leo's status as a natural goal scorer, the type that prem clubs want.[/p][/quote]If Leo had benefited from a decent level of service, Vegas, and hadn't been injured he would probably have scored 25-30 goals last season. If that had been the case, I think he would have gone before now for £10m+. But as things are, he is something of an unknown quantity, and Clubs are not queuing up for his services. I agree with your point about keeping him for another season. If we play a system that uses his full potential, he could score us a lot of goals, while at the same time increasing his value in the transfer market.[/p][/quote]There have been rumours a while back that Gus is lurking in the background to take Ulloa to Sunderland, probably he is keeping quiet and waiting to see what unfolds in the transfer Market over the summer before making a move. Also Ulloa might want to put himself in the spotlight more to break into the Argentina squad.[/p][/quote]Can't see that as a goer! It is very unlikely any Argentinian playing in England would attract the attention of his national team coach. Last one was Ardiles and then that was the other way round, ie he played for Argentina before he played for Tottenham. Veron I don't think played for them much when he was with ManU. Oh I forgot Heinze, but he was established in the national team before he went to ManU. When he is back from hols and meets with SH, if he is told we are getting Jessie Lingard again he will do a Bridcutt! namgo49
  • Score: -1

7:46pm Mon 23 Jun 14

ringtone says...

Albion In Staffs wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Mayfield sweeper wrote:
gordongull wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
When Hyypia talks with Ulloa my guess is that both player and club ambitions will be the focal point, a clear understanding of how both parties see the future will reached. Once all the niceties have been exchanged the only question that really matters will be asked by the club, what is it going to cost to keep you for another season?

If Ulloa's agent comes up with a pay package and an agreeable release clause, a new deal could be reached that would secure Leo's services for the coming season. Come the January window it might be that the release clause is triggered by a desperate club, especially if he is scoring goals, and that is something we would just have to live with.
We shouldn't forget that only one club has shown any genuine interest in Leo, and if that's the way things stay, there isn't any real pressure on Leicester to up their bid. There seems to be a question mark hanging over Leo, can he deliver at prem level, so far only Leicester thinks he can and that should help us to retain him for now.

Leo is an 8 to 10 million pound gamble right now, if it doesn't work out for him in the prem he could be the next Zaha, bought for big money and now not sure where his future lies. One more season with us might just confirm Leo's status as a natural goal scorer, the type that prem clubs want.
If Leo had benefited from a decent level of service, Vegas, and hadn't been injured he would probably have scored 25-30 goals last season. If that had been the case, I think he would have gone before now for £10m+.
But as things are, he is something of an unknown quantity, and Clubs are not queuing up for his services.
I agree with your point about keeping him for another season.
If we play a system that uses his full potential, he could score us a lot of goals, while at the same time increasing his value in the transfer market.
There have been rumours a while back that Gus is lurking in the background to take Ulloa to Sunderland, probably he is keeping quiet and waiting to see what unfolds in the transfer Market over the summer before making a move. Also Ulloa might want to put himself in the spotlight more to break into the Argentina squad.
Rumors yes but rumors are not money on the table. Poyet might come in with an offer but so far he hasn't, and there might be others waiting to see how things develop, but at the end of the day, Leo remains a gamble. I think Poyet got it wrong with Bridcutt, 4 million was a great deal for Brighton, would the Sunderland board go for an 8 to 10 million gamble on Leo?
Bridcutt was £2.5m.
When Vegas said 4 million he meant euros minus miscellaneous deductions equalling the transfer fee of 2.5 million quid. Easy

He never gets it wrong,lol
[quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mayfield sweeper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: When Hyypia talks with Ulloa my guess is that both player and club ambitions will be the focal point, a clear understanding of how both parties see the future will reached. Once all the niceties have been exchanged the only question that really matters will be asked by the club, what is it going to cost to keep you for another season? If Ulloa's agent comes up with a pay package and an agreeable release clause, a new deal could be reached that would secure Leo's services for the coming season. Come the January window it might be that the release clause is triggered by a desperate club, especially if he is scoring goals, and that is something we would just have to live with. We shouldn't forget that only one club has shown any genuine interest in Leo, and if that's the way things stay, there isn't any real pressure on Leicester to up their bid. There seems to be a question mark hanging over Leo, can he deliver at prem level, so far only Leicester thinks he can and that should help us to retain him for now. Leo is an 8 to 10 million pound gamble right now, if it doesn't work out for him in the prem he could be the next Zaha, bought for big money and now not sure where his future lies. One more season with us might just confirm Leo's status as a natural goal scorer, the type that prem clubs want.[/p][/quote]If Leo had benefited from a decent level of service, Vegas, and hadn't been injured he would probably have scored 25-30 goals last season. If that had been the case, I think he would have gone before now for £10m+. But as things are, he is something of an unknown quantity, and Clubs are not queuing up for his services. I agree with your point about keeping him for another season. If we play a system that uses his full potential, he could score us a lot of goals, while at the same time increasing his value in the transfer market.[/p][/quote]There have been rumours a while back that Gus is lurking in the background to take Ulloa to Sunderland, probably he is keeping quiet and waiting to see what unfolds in the transfer Market over the summer before making a move. Also Ulloa might want to put himself in the spotlight more to break into the Argentina squad.[/p][/quote]Rumors yes but rumors are not money on the table. Poyet might come in with an offer but so far he hasn't, and there might be others waiting to see how things develop, but at the end of the day, Leo remains a gamble. I think Poyet got it wrong with Bridcutt, 4 million was a great deal for Brighton, would the Sunderland board go for an 8 to 10 million gamble on Leo?[/p][/quote]Bridcutt was £2.5m.[/p][/quote]When Vegas said 4 million he meant euros minus miscellaneous deductions equalling the transfer fee of 2.5 million quid. Easy He never gets it wrong,lol ringtone
  • Score: -2

7:49pm Mon 23 Jun 14

Cap'n Pugwash says...

Albion In Staffs wrote:
Captain Haddock wrote:
Cap'n Pugwash wrote:
Kit Napier's Beard wrote: More "old news" yet again, is nothing new coming out of the Amex about the team?
This is not The Albion of old where names and false hopes were fed to The Argus on a regular basis, mainly because during the Withdean years bums (season ticket holders) on seats was critical to keep the club going. That worked for a while but it also alerted the likes of Reading who we had scouted and they promptly nicked players who were abou to join us. Other clubs could all pay more than us. Now things are a little different and the club no longer alerts other clubs as to whom our scouting network have found. Announcements now get made about players we HAVE signed. I like the new way.
I heartily concur, fellow Captain!!!
Don't think for a second that not telling the press keeps targets from other clubs. Too many people involved in a transfer, not least agents, so not telling the press makes no difference in terms of alerting other clubs.
I agree that scumbag agents will prostitute their charges to all and sundry but the least amount of info out there is better for the Albion. It also stops fans getting wound up when players end up going elsewhere after the club says they are on the verge of signing player A or his cousin. Much better keeping it all in house until confirmed. You only have to look at some of the bedwetters on here who expect to be included in every decision the club makes.

They are far from perfect but the club are sensible in keeping things to themselves on transfer matters.
[quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Captain Haddock[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cap'n Pugwash[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Kit Napier's Beard[/bold] wrote: More "old news" yet again, is nothing new coming out of the Amex about the team?[/p][/quote]This is not The Albion of old where names and false hopes were fed to The Argus on a regular basis, mainly because during the Withdean years bums (season ticket holders) on seats was critical to keep the club going. That worked for a while but it also alerted the likes of Reading who we had scouted and they promptly nicked players who were abou to join us. Other clubs could all pay more than us. Now things are a little different and the club no longer alerts other clubs as to whom our scouting network have found. Announcements now get made about players we HAVE signed. I like the new way.[/p][/quote]I heartily concur, fellow Captain!!![/p][/quote]Don't think for a second that not telling the press keeps targets from other clubs. Too many people involved in a transfer, not least agents, so not telling the press makes no difference in terms of alerting other clubs.[/p][/quote]I agree that scumbag agents will prostitute their charges to all and sundry but the least amount of info out there is better for the Albion. It also stops fans getting wound up when players end up going elsewhere after the club says they are on the verge of signing player A or his cousin. Much better keeping it all in house until confirmed. You only have to look at some of the bedwetters on here who expect to be included in every decision the club makes. They are far from perfect but the club are sensible in keeping things to themselves on transfer matters. Cap'n Pugwash
  • Score: 1

8:18pm Mon 23 Jun 14

Albion In Staffs says...

Cap'n Pugwash wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
Captain Haddock wrote:
Cap'n Pugwash wrote:
Kit Napier's Beard wrote: More "old news" yet again, is nothing new coming out of the Amex about the team?
This is not The Albion of old where names and false hopes were fed to The Argus on a regular basis, mainly because during the Withdean years bums (season ticket holders) on seats was critical to keep the club going. That worked for a while but it also alerted the likes of Reading who we had scouted and they promptly nicked players who were abou to join us. Other clubs could all pay more than us. Now things are a little different and the club no longer alerts other clubs as to whom our scouting network have found. Announcements now get made about players we HAVE signed. I like the new way.
I heartily concur, fellow Captain!!!
Don't think for a second that not telling the press keeps targets from other clubs. Too many people involved in a transfer, not least agents, so not telling the press makes no difference in terms of alerting other clubs.
I agree that scumbag agents will prostitute their charges to all and sundry but the least amount of info out there is better for the Albion. It also stops fans getting wound up when players end up going elsewhere after the club says they are on the verge of signing player A or his cousin. Much better keeping it all in house until confirmed. You only have to look at some of the bedwetters on here who expect to be included in every decision the club makes.

They are far from perfect but the club are sensible in keeping things to themselves on transfer matters.
Completely agree with the two comments above. My point was to challenge the view that saying nothing kept clubs at bay - it doesn't. But yep, saying nothing, manages supporter expectation downwards. A good thing when, as has been said, we have a host of would be club directors on here and in the stands on a Saturday.
[quote][p][bold]Cap'n Pugwash[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Captain Haddock[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cap'n Pugwash[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Kit Napier's Beard[/bold] wrote: More "old news" yet again, is nothing new coming out of the Amex about the team?[/p][/quote]This is not The Albion of old where names and false hopes were fed to The Argus on a regular basis, mainly because during the Withdean years bums (season ticket holders) on seats was critical to keep the club going. That worked for a while but it also alerted the likes of Reading who we had scouted and they promptly nicked players who were abou to join us. Other clubs could all pay more than us. Now things are a little different and the club no longer alerts other clubs as to whom our scouting network have found. Announcements now get made about players we HAVE signed. I like the new way.[/p][/quote]I heartily concur, fellow Captain!!![/p][/quote]Don't think for a second that not telling the press keeps targets from other clubs. Too many people involved in a transfer, not least agents, so not telling the press makes no difference in terms of alerting other clubs.[/p][/quote]I agree that scumbag agents will prostitute their charges to all and sundry but the least amount of info out there is better for the Albion. It also stops fans getting wound up when players end up going elsewhere after the club says they are on the verge of signing player A or his cousin. Much better keeping it all in house until confirmed. You only have to look at some of the bedwetters on here who expect to be included in every decision the club makes. They are far from perfect but the club are sensible in keeping things to themselves on transfer matters.[/p][/quote]Completely agree with the two comments above. My point was to challenge the view that saying nothing kept clubs at bay - it doesn't. But yep, saying nothing, manages supporter expectation downwards. A good thing when, as has been said, we have a host of would be club directors on here and in the stands on a Saturday. Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 1

8:19pm Mon 23 Jun 14

Albion In Staffs says...

ringtone wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Mayfield sweeper wrote:
gordongull wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
When Hyypia talks with Ulloa my guess is that both player and club ambitions will be the focal point, a clear understanding of how both parties see the future will reached. Once all the niceties have been exchanged the only question that really matters will be asked by the club, what is it going to cost to keep you for another season?

If Ulloa's agent comes up with a pay package and an agreeable release clause, a new deal could be reached that would secure Leo's services for the coming season. Come the January window it might be that the release clause is triggered by a desperate club, especially if he is scoring goals, and that is something we would just have to live with.
We shouldn't forget that only one club has shown any genuine interest in Leo, and if that's the way things stay, there isn't any real pressure on Leicester to up their bid. There seems to be a question mark hanging over Leo, can he deliver at prem level, so far only Leicester thinks he can and that should help us to retain him for now.

Leo is an 8 to 10 million pound gamble right now, if it doesn't work out for him in the prem he could be the next Zaha, bought for big money and now not sure where his future lies. One more season with us might just confirm Leo's status as a natural goal scorer, the type that prem clubs want.
If Leo had benefited from a decent level of service, Vegas, and hadn't been injured he would probably have scored 25-30 goals last season. If that had been the case, I think he would have gone before now for £10m+.
But as things are, he is something of an unknown quantity, and Clubs are not queuing up for his services.
I agree with your point about keeping him for another season.
If we play a system that uses his full potential, he could score us a lot of goals, while at the same time increasing his value in the transfer market.
There have been rumours a while back that Gus is lurking in the background to take Ulloa to Sunderland, probably he is keeping quiet and waiting to see what unfolds in the transfer Market over the summer before making a move. Also Ulloa might want to put himself in the spotlight more to break into the Argentina squad.
Rumors yes but rumors are not money on the table. Poyet might come in with an offer but so far he hasn't, and there might be others waiting to see how things develop, but at the end of the day, Leo remains a gamble. I think Poyet got it wrong with Bridcutt, 4 million was a great deal for Brighton, would the Sunderland board go for an 8 to 10 million gamble on Leo?
Bridcutt was £2.5m.
When Vegas said 4 million he meant euros minus miscellaneous deductions equalling the transfer fee of 2.5 million quid. Easy

He never gets it wrong,lol
My mistake.
[quote][p][bold]ringtone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mayfield sweeper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: When Hyypia talks with Ulloa my guess is that both player and club ambitions will be the focal point, a clear understanding of how both parties see the future will reached. Once all the niceties have been exchanged the only question that really matters will be asked by the club, what is it going to cost to keep you for another season? If Ulloa's agent comes up with a pay package and an agreeable release clause, a new deal could be reached that would secure Leo's services for the coming season. Come the January window it might be that the release clause is triggered by a desperate club, especially if he is scoring goals, and that is something we would just have to live with. We shouldn't forget that only one club has shown any genuine interest in Leo, and if that's the way things stay, there isn't any real pressure on Leicester to up their bid. There seems to be a question mark hanging over Leo, can he deliver at prem level, so far only Leicester thinks he can and that should help us to retain him for now. Leo is an 8 to 10 million pound gamble right now, if it doesn't work out for him in the prem he could be the next Zaha, bought for big money and now not sure where his future lies. One more season with us might just confirm Leo's status as a natural goal scorer, the type that prem clubs want.[/p][/quote]If Leo had benefited from a decent level of service, Vegas, and hadn't been injured he would probably have scored 25-30 goals last season. If that had been the case, I think he would have gone before now for £10m+. But as things are, he is something of an unknown quantity, and Clubs are not queuing up for his services. I agree with your point about keeping him for another season. If we play a system that uses his full potential, he could score us a lot of goals, while at the same time increasing his value in the transfer market.[/p][/quote]There have been rumours a while back that Gus is lurking in the background to take Ulloa to Sunderland, probably he is keeping quiet and waiting to see what unfolds in the transfer Market over the summer before making a move. Also Ulloa might want to put himself in the spotlight more to break into the Argentina squad.[/p][/quote]Rumors yes but rumors are not money on the table. Poyet might come in with an offer but so far he hasn't, and there might be others waiting to see how things develop, but at the end of the day, Leo remains a gamble. I think Poyet got it wrong with Bridcutt, 4 million was a great deal for Brighton, would the Sunderland board go for an 8 to 10 million gamble on Leo?[/p][/quote]Bridcutt was £2.5m.[/p][/quote]When Vegas said 4 million he meant euros minus miscellaneous deductions equalling the transfer fee of 2.5 million quid. Easy He never gets it wrong,lol[/p][/quote]My mistake. Albion In Staffs
  • Score: -1

8:39pm Mon 23 Jun 14

Mayfield sweeper says...

namgo49 wrote:
Mayfield sweeper wrote:
gordongull wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
When Hyypia talks with Ulloa my guess is that both player and club ambitions will be the focal point, a clear understanding of how both parties see the future will reached. Once all the niceties have been exchanged the only question that really matters will be asked by the club, what is it going to cost to keep you for another season?

If Ulloa's agent comes up with a pay package and an agreeable release clause, a new deal could be reached that would secure Leo's services for the coming season. Come the January window it might be that the release clause is triggered by a desperate club, especially if he is scoring goals, and that is something we would just have to live with.
We shouldn't forget that only one club has shown any genuine interest in Leo, and if that's the way things stay, there isn't any real pressure on Leicester to up their bid. There seems to be a question mark hanging over Leo, can he deliver at prem level, so far only Leicester thinks he can and that should help us to retain him for now.

Leo is an 8 to 10 million pound gamble right now, if it doesn't work out for him in the prem he could be the next Zaha, bought for big money and now not sure where his future lies. One more season with us might just confirm Leo's status as a natural goal scorer, the type that prem clubs want.
If Leo had benefited from a decent level of service, Vegas, and hadn't been injured he would probably have scored 25-30 goals last season. If that had been the case, I think he would have gone before now for £10m+.
But as things are, he is something of an unknown quantity, and Clubs are not queuing up for his services.
I agree with your point about keeping him for another season.
If we play a system that uses his full potential, he could score us a lot of goals, while at the same time increasing his value in the transfer market.
There have been rumours a while back that Gus is lurking in the background to take Ulloa to Sunderland, probably he is keeping quiet and waiting to see what unfolds in the transfer Market over the summer before making a move. Also Ulloa might want to put himself in the spotlight more to break into the Argentina squad.
Can't see that as a goer! It is very unlikely any Argentinian playing in England would attract the attention of his national team coach. Last one was Ardiles and then that was the other way round, ie he played for Argentina before he played for Tottenham.

Veron I don't think played for them much when he was with ManU. Oh I forgot Heinze, but he was established in the national team before he went to ManU.

When he is back from hols and meets with SH, if he is told we are getting Jessie Lingard again he will do a Bridcutt!
I'm sure Ulloa would have ambitions of playing for his country, and the premier league is intensely watched around the world, so if he is playing in it, be it for Albion or whoever, you have to say that it's possible he could be called up by the watching manager.
[quote][p][bold]namgo49[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mayfield sweeper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: When Hyypia talks with Ulloa my guess is that both player and club ambitions will be the focal point, a clear understanding of how both parties see the future will reached. Once all the niceties have been exchanged the only question that really matters will be asked by the club, what is it going to cost to keep you for another season? If Ulloa's agent comes up with a pay package and an agreeable release clause, a new deal could be reached that would secure Leo's services for the coming season. Come the January window it might be that the release clause is triggered by a desperate club, especially if he is scoring goals, and that is something we would just have to live with. We shouldn't forget that only one club has shown any genuine interest in Leo, and if that's the way things stay, there isn't any real pressure on Leicester to up their bid. There seems to be a question mark hanging over Leo, can he deliver at prem level, so far only Leicester thinks he can and that should help us to retain him for now. Leo is an 8 to 10 million pound gamble right now, if it doesn't work out for him in the prem he could be the next Zaha, bought for big money and now not sure where his future lies. One more season with us might just confirm Leo's status as a natural goal scorer, the type that prem clubs want.[/p][/quote]If Leo had benefited from a decent level of service, Vegas, and hadn't been injured he would probably have scored 25-30 goals last season. If that had been the case, I think he would have gone before now for £10m+. But as things are, he is something of an unknown quantity, and Clubs are not queuing up for his services. I agree with your point about keeping him for another season. If we play a system that uses his full potential, he could score us a lot of goals, while at the same time increasing his value in the transfer market.[/p][/quote]There have been rumours a while back that Gus is lurking in the background to take Ulloa to Sunderland, probably he is keeping quiet and waiting to see what unfolds in the transfer Market over the summer before making a move. Also Ulloa might want to put himself in the spotlight more to break into the Argentina squad.[/p][/quote]Can't see that as a goer! It is very unlikely any Argentinian playing in England would attract the attention of his national team coach. Last one was Ardiles and then that was the other way round, ie he played for Argentina before he played for Tottenham. Veron I don't think played for them much when he was with ManU. Oh I forgot Heinze, but he was established in the national team before he went to ManU. When he is back from hols and meets with SH, if he is told we are getting Jessie Lingard again he will do a Bridcutt![/p][/quote]I'm sure Ulloa would have ambitions of playing for his country, and the premier league is intensely watched around the world, so if he is playing in it, be it for Albion or whoever, you have to say that it's possible he could be called up by the watching manager. Mayfield sweeper
  • Score: 1

9:25pm Mon 23 Jun 14

OldGull says...

Albion In Staffs wrote:
ringtone wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Mayfield sweeper wrote:
gordongull wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
When Hyypia talks with Ulloa my guess is that both player and club ambitions will be the focal point, a clear understanding of how both parties see the future will reached. Once all the niceties have been exchanged the only question that really matters will be asked by the club, what is it going to cost to keep you for another season?

If Ulloa's agent comes up with a pay package and an agreeable release clause, a new deal could be reached that would secure Leo's services for the coming season. Come the January window it might be that the release clause is triggered by a desperate club, especially if he is scoring goals, and that is something we would just have to live with.
We shouldn't forget that only one club has shown any genuine interest in Leo, and if that's the way things stay, there isn't any real pressure on Leicester to up their bid. There seems to be a question mark hanging over Leo, can he deliver at prem level, so far only Leicester thinks he can and that should help us to retain him for now.

Leo is an 8 to 10 million pound gamble right now, if it doesn't work out for him in the prem he could be the next Zaha, bought for big money and now not sure where his future lies. One more season with us might just confirm Leo's status as a natural goal scorer, the type that prem clubs want.
If Leo had benefited from a decent level of service, Vegas, and hadn't been injured he would probably have scored 25-30 goals last season. If that had been the case, I think he would have gone before now for £10m+.
But as things are, he is something of an unknown quantity, and Clubs are not queuing up for his services.
I agree with your point about keeping him for another season.
If we play a system that uses his full potential, he could score us a lot of goals, while at the same time increasing his value in the transfer market.
There have been rumours a while back that Gus is lurking in the background to take Ulloa to Sunderland, probably he is keeping quiet and waiting to see what unfolds in the transfer Market over the summer before making a move. Also Ulloa might want to put himself in the spotlight more to break into the Argentina squad.
Rumors yes but rumors are not money on the table. Poyet might come in with an offer but so far he hasn't, and there might be others waiting to see how things develop, but at the end of the day, Leo remains a gamble. I think Poyet got it wrong with Bridcutt, 4 million was a great deal for Brighton, would the Sunderland board go for an 8 to 10 million gamble on Leo?
Bridcutt was £2.5m.
When Vegas said 4 million he meant euros minus miscellaneous deductions equalling the transfer fee of 2.5 million quid. Easy

He never gets it wrong,lol
My mistake.
Who knows what the fee was
Various sources say £2.5m, £3m, £3.25, & £4m.
[quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ringtone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mayfield sweeper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: When Hyypia talks with Ulloa my guess is that both player and club ambitions will be the focal point, a clear understanding of how both parties see the future will reached. Once all the niceties have been exchanged the only question that really matters will be asked by the club, what is it going to cost to keep you for another season? If Ulloa's agent comes up with a pay package and an agreeable release clause, a new deal could be reached that would secure Leo's services for the coming season. Come the January window it might be that the release clause is triggered by a desperate club, especially if he is scoring goals, and that is something we would just have to live with. We shouldn't forget that only one club has shown any genuine interest in Leo, and if that's the way things stay, there isn't any real pressure on Leicester to up their bid. There seems to be a question mark hanging over Leo, can he deliver at prem level, so far only Leicester thinks he can and that should help us to retain him for now. Leo is an 8 to 10 million pound gamble right now, if it doesn't work out for him in the prem he could be the next Zaha, bought for big money and now not sure where his future lies. One more season with us might just confirm Leo's status as a natural goal scorer, the type that prem clubs want.[/p][/quote]If Leo had benefited from a decent level of service, Vegas, and hadn't been injured he would probably have scored 25-30 goals last season. If that had been the case, I think he would have gone before now for £10m+. But as things are, he is something of an unknown quantity, and Clubs are not queuing up for his services. I agree with your point about keeping him for another season. If we play a system that uses his full potential, he could score us a lot of goals, while at the same time increasing his value in the transfer market.[/p][/quote]There have been rumours a while back that Gus is lurking in the background to take Ulloa to Sunderland, probably he is keeping quiet and waiting to see what unfolds in the transfer Market over the summer before making a move. Also Ulloa might want to put himself in the spotlight more to break into the Argentina squad.[/p][/quote]Rumors yes but rumors are not money on the table. Poyet might come in with an offer but so far he hasn't, and there might be others waiting to see how things develop, but at the end of the day, Leo remains a gamble. I think Poyet got it wrong with Bridcutt, 4 million was a great deal for Brighton, would the Sunderland board go for an 8 to 10 million gamble on Leo?[/p][/quote]Bridcutt was £2.5m.[/p][/quote]When Vegas said 4 million he meant euros minus miscellaneous deductions equalling the transfer fee of 2.5 million quid. Easy He never gets it wrong,lol[/p][/quote]My mistake.[/p][/quote]Who knows what the fee was Various sources say £2.5m, £3m, £3.25, & £4m. OldGull
  • Score: 1

1:38am Tue 24 Jun 14

Captain Haddock says...

gordongull wrote:
Captain Haddock wrote:
Cap'n Pugwash wrote:
Kit Napier's Beard wrote: More "old news" yet again, is nothing new coming out of the Amex about the team?
This is not The Albion of old where names and false hopes were fed to The Argus on a regular basis, mainly because during the Withdean years bums (season ticket holders) on seats was critical to keep the club going. That worked for a while but it also alerted the likes of Reading who we had scouted and they promptly nicked players who were abou to join us. Other clubs could all pay more than us. Now things are a little different and the club no longer alerts other clubs as to whom our scouting network have found. Announcements now get made about players we HAVE signed. I like the new way.
I heartily concur, fellow Captain!!!
Just heard that Nigel Adkins was seen boarding a plane to Helsinki.
Haha! Like it.
[quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Captain Haddock[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cap'n Pugwash[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Kit Napier's Beard[/bold] wrote: More "old news" yet again, is nothing new coming out of the Amex about the team?[/p][/quote]This is not The Albion of old where names and false hopes were fed to The Argus on a regular basis, mainly because during the Withdean years bums (season ticket holders) on seats was critical to keep the club going. That worked for a while but it also alerted the likes of Reading who we had scouted and they promptly nicked players who were abou to join us. Other clubs could all pay more than us. Now things are a little different and the club no longer alerts other clubs as to whom our scouting network have found. Announcements now get made about players we HAVE signed. I like the new way.[/p][/quote]I heartily concur, fellow Captain!!![/p][/quote]Just heard that Nigel Adkins was seen boarding a plane to Helsinki.[/p][/quote]Haha! Like it. Captain Haddock
  • Score: 1

1:40am Tue 24 Jun 14

Captain Haddock says...

Albion In Staffs wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Mayfield sweeper wrote:
gordongull wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
When Hyypia talks with Ulloa my guess is that both player and club ambitions will be the focal point, a clear understanding of how both parties see the future will reached. Once all the niceties have been exchanged the only question that really matters will be asked by the club, what is it going to cost to keep you for another season?

If Ulloa's agent comes up with a pay package and an agreeable release clause, a new deal could be reached that would secure Leo's services for the coming season. Come the January window it might be that the release clause is triggered by a desperate club, especially if he is scoring goals, and that is something we would just have to live with.
We shouldn't forget that only one club has shown any genuine interest in Leo, and if that's the way things stay, there isn't any real pressure on Leicester to up their bid. There seems to be a question mark hanging over Leo, can he deliver at prem level, so far only Leicester thinks he can and that should help us to retain him for now.

Leo is an 8 to 10 million pound gamble right now, if it doesn't work out for him in the prem he could be the next Zaha, bought for big money and now not sure where his future lies. One more season with us might just confirm Leo's status as a natural goal scorer, the type that prem clubs want.
If Leo had benefited from a decent level of service, Vegas, and hadn't been injured he would probably have scored 25-30 goals last season. If that had been the case, I think he would have gone before now for £10m+.
But as things are, he is something of an unknown quantity, and Clubs are not queuing up for his services.
I agree with your point about keeping him for another season.
If we play a system that uses his full potential, he could score us a lot of goals, while at the same time increasing his value in the transfer market.
There have been rumours a while back that Gus is lurking in the background to take Ulloa to Sunderland, probably he is keeping quiet and waiting to see what unfolds in the transfer Market over the summer before making a move. Also Ulloa might want to put himself in the spotlight more to break into the Argentina squad.
Rumors yes but rumors are not money on the table. Poyet might come in with an offer but so far he hasn't, and there might be others waiting to see how things develop, but at the end of the day, Leo remains a gamble. I think Poyet got it wrong with Bridcutt, 4 million was a great deal for Brighton, would the Sunderland board go for an 8 to 10 million gamble on Leo?
Bridcutt was £2.5m.
Honestly, Staffs, he really wasn't. Staggered fee rising to £4.5m when Sunderland survived.

Reported figures were wrong.
[quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mayfield sweeper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: When Hyypia talks with Ulloa my guess is that both player and club ambitions will be the focal point, a clear understanding of how both parties see the future will reached. Once all the niceties have been exchanged the only question that really matters will be asked by the club, what is it going to cost to keep you for another season? If Ulloa's agent comes up with a pay package and an agreeable release clause, a new deal could be reached that would secure Leo's services for the coming season. Come the January window it might be that the release clause is triggered by a desperate club, especially if he is scoring goals, and that is something we would just have to live with. We shouldn't forget that only one club has shown any genuine interest in Leo, and if that's the way things stay, there isn't any real pressure on Leicester to up their bid. There seems to be a question mark hanging over Leo, can he deliver at prem level, so far only Leicester thinks he can and that should help us to retain him for now. Leo is an 8 to 10 million pound gamble right now, if it doesn't work out for him in the prem he could be the next Zaha, bought for big money and now not sure where his future lies. One more season with us might just confirm Leo's status as a natural goal scorer, the type that prem clubs want.[/p][/quote]If Leo had benefited from a decent level of service, Vegas, and hadn't been injured he would probably have scored 25-30 goals last season. If that had been the case, I think he would have gone before now for £10m+. But as things are, he is something of an unknown quantity, and Clubs are not queuing up for his services. I agree with your point about keeping him for another season. If we play a system that uses his full potential, he could score us a lot of goals, while at the same time increasing his value in the transfer market.[/p][/quote]There have been rumours a while back that Gus is lurking in the background to take Ulloa to Sunderland, probably he is keeping quiet and waiting to see what unfolds in the transfer Market over the summer before making a move. Also Ulloa might want to put himself in the spotlight more to break into the Argentina squad.[/p][/quote]Rumors yes but rumors are not money on the table. Poyet might come in with an offer but so far he hasn't, and there might be others waiting to see how things develop, but at the end of the day, Leo remains a gamble. I think Poyet got it wrong with Bridcutt, 4 million was a great deal for Brighton, would the Sunderland board go for an 8 to 10 million gamble on Leo?[/p][/quote]Bridcutt was £2.5m.[/p][/quote]Honestly, Staffs, he really wasn't. Staggered fee rising to £4.5m when Sunderland survived. Reported figures were wrong. Captain Haddock
  • Score: 2

1:45am Tue 24 Jun 14

Captain Haddock says...

Albion In Staffs wrote:
Cap'n Pugwash wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
Captain Haddock wrote:
Cap'n Pugwash wrote:
Kit Napier's Beard wrote: More "old news" yet again, is nothing new coming out of the Amex about the team?
This is not The Albion of old where names and false hopes were fed to The Argus on a regular basis, mainly because during the Withdean years bums (season ticket holders) on seats was critical to keep the club going. That worked for a while but it also alerted the likes of Reading who we had scouted and they promptly nicked players who were abou to join us. Other clubs could all pay more than us. Now things are a little different and the club no longer alerts other clubs as to whom our scouting network have found. Announcements now get made about players we HAVE signed. I like the new way.
I heartily concur, fellow Captain!!!
Don't think for a second that not telling the press keeps targets from other clubs. Too many people involved in a transfer, not least agents, so not telling the press makes no difference in terms of alerting other clubs.
I agree that scumbag agents will prostitute their charges to all and sundry but the least amount of info out there is better for the Albion. It also stops fans getting wound up when players end up going elsewhere after the club says they are on the verge of signing player A or his cousin. Much better keeping it all in house until confirmed. You only have to look at some of the bedwetters on here who expect to be included in every decision the club makes.

They are far from perfect but the club are sensible in keeping things to themselves on transfer matters.
Completely agree with the two comments above. My point was to challenge the view that saying nothing kept clubs at bay - it doesn't. But yep, saying nothing, manages supporter expectation downwards. A good thing when, as has been said, we have a host of would be club directors on here and in the stands on a Saturday.
Yes agree with these last comments too. We can't block all info but we can help constrict the amount loosely volunteered.
[quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cap'n Pugwash[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Captain Haddock[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cap'n Pugwash[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Kit Napier's Beard[/bold] wrote: More "old news" yet again, is nothing new coming out of the Amex about the team?[/p][/quote]This is not The Albion of old where names and false hopes were fed to The Argus on a regular basis, mainly because during the Withdean years bums (season ticket holders) on seats was critical to keep the club going. That worked for a while but it also alerted the likes of Reading who we had scouted and they promptly nicked players who were abou to join us. Other clubs could all pay more than us. Now things are a little different and the club no longer alerts other clubs as to whom our scouting network have found. Announcements now get made about players we HAVE signed. I like the new way.[/p][/quote]I heartily concur, fellow Captain!!![/p][/quote]Don't think for a second that not telling the press keeps targets from other clubs. Too many people involved in a transfer, not least agents, so not telling the press makes no difference in terms of alerting other clubs.[/p][/quote]I agree that scumbag agents will prostitute their charges to all and sundry but the least amount of info out there is better for the Albion. It also stops fans getting wound up when players end up going elsewhere after the club says they are on the verge of signing player A or his cousin. Much better keeping it all in house until confirmed. You only have to look at some of the bedwetters on here who expect to be included in every decision the club makes. They are far from perfect but the club are sensible in keeping things to themselves on transfer matters.[/p][/quote]Completely agree with the two comments above. My point was to challenge the view that saying nothing kept clubs at bay - it doesn't. But yep, saying nothing, manages supporter expectation downwards. A good thing when, as has been said, we have a host of would be club directors on here and in the stands on a Saturday.[/p][/quote]Yes agree with these last comments too. We can't block all info but we can help constrict the amount loosely volunteered. Captain Haddock
  • Score: 0

1:55am Tue 24 Jun 14

Captain Haddock says...

Mayfield sweeper wrote:
namgo49 wrote:
Mayfield sweeper wrote:
gordongull wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
When Hyypia talks with Ulloa my guess is that both player and club ambitions will be the focal point, a clear understanding of how both parties see the future will reached. Once all the niceties have been exchanged the only question that really matters will be asked by the club, what is it going to cost to keep you for another season?

If Ulloa's agent comes up with a pay package and an agreeable release clause, a new deal could be reached that would secure Leo's services for the coming season. Come the January window it might be that the release clause is triggered by a desperate club, especially if he is scoring goals, and that is something we would just have to live with.
We shouldn't forget that only one club has shown any genuine interest in Leo, and if that's the way things stay, there isn't any real pressure on Leicester to up their bid. There seems to be a question mark hanging over Leo, can he deliver at prem level, so far only Leicester thinks he can and that should help us to retain him for now.

Leo is an 8 to 10 million pound gamble right now, if it doesn't work out for him in the prem he could be the next Zaha, bought for big money and now not sure where his future lies. One more season with us might just confirm Leo's status as a natural goal scorer, the type that prem clubs want.
If Leo had benefited from a decent level of service, Vegas, and hadn't been injured he would probably have scored 25-30 goals last season. If that had been the case, I think he would have gone before now for £10m+.
But as things are, he is something of an unknown quantity, and Clubs are not queuing up for his services.
I agree with your point about keeping him for another season.
If we play a system that uses his full potential, he could score us a lot of goals, while at the same time increasing his value in the transfer market.
There have been rumours a while back that Gus is lurking in the background to take Ulloa to Sunderland, probably he is keeping quiet and waiting to see what unfolds in the transfer Market over the summer before making a move. Also Ulloa might want to put himself in the spotlight more to break into the Argentina squad.
Can't see that as a goer! It is very unlikely any Argentinian playing in England would attract the attention of his national team coach. Last one was Ardiles and then that was the other way round, ie he played for Argentina before he played for Tottenham.

Veron I don't think played for them much when he was with ManU. Oh I forgot Heinze, but he was established in the national team before he went to ManU.

When he is back from hols and meets with SH, if he is told we are getting Jessie Lingard again he will do a Bridcutt!
I'm sure Ulloa would have ambitions of playing for his country, and the premier league is intensely watched around the world, so if he is playing in it, be it for Albion or whoever, you have to say that it's possible he could be called up by the watching manager.
Yes that's entirely possible but it must be said Argentinian fans are generally not fond of foreign-based player scenarios outside of Latin Europe and even then Messi is admired guardedly with his critics quick to moan if he's not shining brightly on the international stage.

If a player has an edge (Tevez, Batistuta) they are favoured. There's a word for it in Spanish which I can't recall. Means "by any means" relating to the scrapper, trickster or wily character on the field. Maradona is THE epitome of this concept, not least for his Hand Of God. Simeone is also widely revered for his shenanigans, not least the Beckham incident.

I guess this streetwise play (cheating to you and I) is common to most of South America e.g Uruguay: kicking Scotland for 90 mins, Suarez's handball, a dodgy drawn match at some point if I recall.
[quote][p][bold]Mayfield sweeper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]namgo49[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mayfield sweeper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: When Hyypia talks with Ulloa my guess is that both player and club ambitions will be the focal point, a clear understanding of how both parties see the future will reached. Once all the niceties have been exchanged the only question that really matters will be asked by the club, what is it going to cost to keep you for another season? If Ulloa's agent comes up with a pay package and an agreeable release clause, a new deal could be reached that would secure Leo's services for the coming season. Come the January window it might be that the release clause is triggered by a desperate club, especially if he is scoring goals, and that is something we would just have to live with. We shouldn't forget that only one club has shown any genuine interest in Leo, and if that's the way things stay, there isn't any real pressure on Leicester to up their bid. There seems to be a question mark hanging over Leo, can he deliver at prem level, so far only Leicester thinks he can and that should help us to retain him for now. Leo is an 8 to 10 million pound gamble right now, if it doesn't work out for him in the prem he could be the next Zaha, bought for big money and now not sure where his future lies. One more season with us might just confirm Leo's status as a natural goal scorer, the type that prem clubs want.[/p][/quote]If Leo had benefited from a decent level of service, Vegas, and hadn't been injured he would probably have scored 25-30 goals last season. If that had been the case, I think he would have gone before now for £10m+. But as things are, he is something of an unknown quantity, and Clubs are not queuing up for his services. I agree with your point about keeping him for another season. If we play a system that uses his full potential, he could score us a lot of goals, while at the same time increasing his value in the transfer market.[/p][/quote]There have been rumours a while back that Gus is lurking in the background to take Ulloa to Sunderland, probably he is keeping quiet and waiting to see what unfolds in the transfer Market over the summer before making a move. Also Ulloa might want to put himself in the spotlight more to break into the Argentina squad.[/p][/quote]Can't see that as a goer! It is very unlikely any Argentinian playing in England would attract the attention of his national team coach. Last one was Ardiles and then that was the other way round, ie he played for Argentina before he played for Tottenham. Veron I don't think played for them much when he was with ManU. Oh I forgot Heinze, but he was established in the national team before he went to ManU. When he is back from hols and meets with SH, if he is told we are getting Jessie Lingard again he will do a Bridcutt![/p][/quote]I'm sure Ulloa would have ambitions of playing for his country, and the premier league is intensely watched around the world, so if he is playing in it, be it for Albion or whoever, you have to say that it's possible he could be called up by the watching manager.[/p][/quote]Yes that's entirely possible but it must be said Argentinian fans are generally not fond of foreign-based player scenarios outside of Latin Europe and even then Messi is admired guardedly with his critics quick to moan if he's not shining brightly on the international stage. If a player has an edge (Tevez, Batistuta) they are favoured. There's a word for it in Spanish which I can't recall. Means "by any means" relating to the scrapper, trickster or wily character on the field. Maradona is THE epitome of this concept, not least for his Hand Of God. Simeone is also widely revered for his shenanigans, not least the Beckham incident. I guess this streetwise play (cheating to you and I) is common to most of South America e.g Uruguay: kicking Scotland for 90 mins, Suarez's handball, a dodgy drawn match at some point if I recall. Captain Haddock
  • Score: 1

4:53am Tue 24 Jun 14

gordongull says...

Captain Haddock wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Mayfield sweeper wrote:
gordongull wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
When Hyypia talks with Ulloa my guess is that both player and club ambitions will be the focal point, a clear understanding of how both parties see the future will reached. Once all the niceties have been exchanged the only question that really matters will be asked by the club, what is it going to cost to keep you for another season?

If Ulloa's agent comes up with a pay package and an agreeable release clause, a new deal could be reached that would secure Leo's services for the coming season. Come the January window it might be that the release clause is triggered by a desperate club, especially if he is scoring goals, and that is something we would just have to live with.
We shouldn't forget that only one club has shown any genuine interest in Leo, and if that's the way things stay, there isn't any real pressure on Leicester to up their bid. There seems to be a question mark hanging over Leo, can he deliver at prem level, so far only Leicester thinks he can and that should help us to retain him for now.

Leo is an 8 to 10 million pound gamble right now, if it doesn't work out for him in the prem he could be the next Zaha, bought for big money and now not sure where his future lies. One more season with us might just confirm Leo's status as a natural goal scorer, the type that prem clubs want.
If Leo had benefited from a decent level of service, Vegas, and hadn't been injured he would probably have scored 25-30 goals last season. If that had been the case, I think he would have gone before now for £10m+.
But as things are, he is something of an unknown quantity, and Clubs are not queuing up for his services.
I agree with your point about keeping him for another season.
If we play a system that uses his full potential, he could score us a lot of goals, while at the same time increasing his value in the transfer market.
There have been rumours a while back that Gus is lurking in the background to take Ulloa to Sunderland, probably he is keeping quiet and waiting to see what unfolds in the transfer Market over the summer before making a move. Also Ulloa might want to put himself in the spotlight more to break into the Argentina squad.
Rumors yes but rumors are not money on the table. Poyet might come in with an offer but so far he hasn't, and there might be others waiting to see how things develop, but at the end of the day, Leo remains a gamble. I think Poyet got it wrong with Bridcutt, 4 million was a great deal for Brighton, would the Sunderland board go for an 8 to 10 million gamble on Leo?
Bridcutt was £2.5m.
Honestly, Staffs, he really wasn't. Staggered fee rising to £4.5m when Sunderland survived.

Reported figures were wrong.
The figure that AIS quoted might be wrong, but he won't be.
[quote][p][bold]Captain Haddock[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mayfield sweeper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: When Hyypia talks with Ulloa my guess is that both player and club ambitions will be the focal point, a clear understanding of how both parties see the future will reached. Once all the niceties have been exchanged the only question that really matters will be asked by the club, what is it going to cost to keep you for another season? If Ulloa's agent comes up with a pay package and an agreeable release clause, a new deal could be reached that would secure Leo's services for the coming season. Come the January window it might be that the release clause is triggered by a desperate club, especially if he is scoring goals, and that is something we would just have to live with. We shouldn't forget that only one club has shown any genuine interest in Leo, and if that's the way things stay, there isn't any real pressure on Leicester to up their bid. There seems to be a question mark hanging over Leo, can he deliver at prem level, so far only Leicester thinks he can and that should help us to retain him for now. Leo is an 8 to 10 million pound gamble right now, if it doesn't work out for him in the prem he could be the next Zaha, bought for big money and now not sure where his future lies. One more season with us might just confirm Leo's status as a natural goal scorer, the type that prem clubs want.[/p][/quote]If Leo had benefited from a decent level of service, Vegas, and hadn't been injured he would probably have scored 25-30 goals last season. If that had been the case, I think he would have gone before now for £10m+. But as things are, he is something of an unknown quantity, and Clubs are not queuing up for his services. I agree with your point about keeping him for another season. If we play a system that uses his full potential, he could score us a lot of goals, while at the same time increasing his value in the transfer market.[/p][/quote]There have been rumours a while back that Gus is lurking in the background to take Ulloa to Sunderland, probably he is keeping quiet and waiting to see what unfolds in the transfer Market over the summer before making a move. Also Ulloa might want to put himself in the spotlight more to break into the Argentina squad.[/p][/quote]Rumors yes but rumors are not money on the table. Poyet might come in with an offer but so far he hasn't, and there might be others waiting to see how things develop, but at the end of the day, Leo remains a gamble. I think Poyet got it wrong with Bridcutt, 4 million was a great deal for Brighton, would the Sunderland board go for an 8 to 10 million gamble on Leo?[/p][/quote]Bridcutt was £2.5m.[/p][/quote]Honestly, Staffs, he really wasn't. Staggered fee rising to £4.5m when Sunderland survived. Reported figures were wrong.[/p][/quote]The figure that AIS quoted might be wrong, but he won't be. gordongull
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5:09am Tue 24 Jun 14

Albion In Staffs says...

gordongull wrote:
Captain Haddock wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Mayfield sweeper wrote:
gordongull wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
When Hyypia talks with Ulloa my guess is that both player and club ambitions will be the focal point, a clear understanding of how both parties see the future will reached. Once all the niceties have been exchanged the only question that really matters will be asked by the club, what is it going to cost to keep you for another season?

If Ulloa's agent comes up with a pay package and an agreeable release clause, a new deal could be reached that would secure Leo's services for the coming season. Come the January window it might be that the release clause is triggered by a desperate club, especially if he is scoring goals, and that is something we would just have to live with.
We shouldn't forget that only one club has shown any genuine interest in Leo, and if that's the way things stay, there isn't any real pressure on Leicester to up their bid. There seems to be a question mark hanging over Leo, can he deliver at prem level, so far only Leicester thinks he can and that should help us to retain him for now.

Leo is an 8 to 10 million pound gamble right now, if it doesn't work out for him in the prem he could be the next Zaha, bought for big money and now not sure where his future lies. One more season with us might just confirm Leo's status as a natural goal scorer, the type that prem clubs want.
If Leo had benefited from a decent level of service, Vegas, and hadn't been injured he would probably have scored 25-30 goals last season. If that had been the case, I think he would have gone before now for £10m+.
But as things are, he is something of an unknown quantity, and Clubs are not queuing up for his services.
I agree with your point about keeping him for another season.
If we play a system that uses his full potential, he could score us a lot of goals, while at the same time increasing his value in the transfer market.
There have been rumours a while back that Gus is lurking in the background to take Ulloa to Sunderland, probably he is keeping quiet and waiting to see what unfolds in the transfer Market over the summer before making a move. Also Ulloa might want to put himself in the spotlight more to break into the Argentina squad.
Rumors yes but rumors are not money on the table. Poyet might come in with an offer but so far he hasn't, and there might be others waiting to see how things develop, but at the end of the day, Leo remains a gamble. I think Poyet got it wrong with Bridcutt, 4 million was a great deal for Brighton, would the Sunderland board go for an 8 to 10 million gamble on Leo?
Bridcutt was £2.5m.
Honestly, Staffs, he really wasn't. Staggered fee rising to £4.5m when Sunderland survived.

Reported figures were wrong.
The figure that AIS quoted might be wrong, but he won't be.
oooh ****.
The figure I quote is direct from the buying club, There were no add on clauses.
The rest is up to you.
Have a nice day.
[quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Captain Haddock[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mayfield sweeper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: When Hyypia talks with Ulloa my guess is that both player and club ambitions will be the focal point, a clear understanding of how both parties see the future will reached. Once all the niceties have been exchanged the only question that really matters will be asked by the club, what is it going to cost to keep you for another season? If Ulloa's agent comes up with a pay package and an agreeable release clause, a new deal could be reached that would secure Leo's services for the coming season. Come the January window it might be that the release clause is triggered by a desperate club, especially if he is scoring goals, and that is something we would just have to live with. We shouldn't forget that only one club has shown any genuine interest in Leo, and if that's the way things stay, there isn't any real pressure on Leicester to up their bid. There seems to be a question mark hanging over Leo, can he deliver at prem level, so far only Leicester thinks he can and that should help us to retain him for now. Leo is an 8 to 10 million pound gamble right now, if it doesn't work out for him in the prem he could be the next Zaha, bought for big money and now not sure where his future lies. One more season with us might just confirm Leo's status as a natural goal scorer, the type that prem clubs want.[/p][/quote]If Leo had benefited from a decent level of service, Vegas, and hadn't been injured he would probably have scored 25-30 goals last season. If that had been the case, I think he would have gone before now for £10m+. But as things are, he is something of an unknown quantity, and Clubs are not queuing up for his services. I agree with your point about keeping him for another season. If we play a system that uses his full potential, he could score us a lot of goals, while at the same time increasing his value in the transfer market.[/p][/quote]There have been rumours a while back that Gus is lurking in the background to take Ulloa to Sunderland, probably he is keeping quiet and waiting to see what unfolds in the transfer Market over the summer before making a move. Also Ulloa might want to put himself in the spotlight more to break into the Argentina squad.[/p][/quote]Rumors yes but rumors are not money on the table. Poyet might come in with an offer but so far he hasn't, and there might be others waiting to see how things develop, but at the end of the day, Leo remains a gamble. I think Poyet got it wrong with Bridcutt, 4 million was a great deal for Brighton, would the Sunderland board go for an 8 to 10 million gamble on Leo?[/p][/quote]Bridcutt was £2.5m.[/p][/quote]Honestly, Staffs, he really wasn't. Staggered fee rising to £4.5m when Sunderland survived. Reported figures were wrong.[/p][/quote]The figure that AIS quoted might be wrong, but he won't be.[/p][/quote]oooh ****. The figure I quote is direct from the buying club, There were no add on clauses. The rest is up to you. Have a nice day. Albion In Staffs
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5:15am Tue 24 Jun 14

Albion In Staffs says...

Out of politeness, I should clarify that the word the system blocked in my last message was nothing than 'b*tch'.I wouldn't want anyone to think I was being offensive.
And in terms of the Bridcutt price, I have my information, others have there's, let's leave it there. No pint in a long range weeing contest.
Out of politeness, I should clarify that the word the system blocked in my last message was nothing than 'b*tch'.I wouldn't want anyone to think I was being offensive. And in terms of the Bridcutt price, I have my information, others have there's, let's leave it there. No pint in a long range weeing contest. Albion In Staffs
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8:10am Tue 24 Jun 14

Cockwomble says...

would the buying club ever admit they overpaid?cockwombles
would the buying club ever admit they overpaid?cockwombles Cockwomble
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8:47am Tue 24 Jun 14

Albion In Staffs says...

Cockwomble wrote:
would the buying club ever admit they overpaid?cockwombles
Equally, would the selling club ever admit they got fleeced?
[quote][p][bold]Cockwomble[/bold] wrote: would the buying club ever admit they overpaid?cockwombles[/p][/quote]Equally, would the selling club ever admit they got fleeced? Albion In Staffs
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9:23am Tue 24 Jun 14

Cockwomble says...

Albion In Staffs wrote:
Cockwomble wrote:
would the buying club ever admit they overpaid?cockwombles
Equally, would the selling club ever admit they got fleeced?
fair point but youd never sell to a low placed pl club without addons for staying up would you?youd have to be a right cockwomble to agree to that
[quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cockwomble[/bold] wrote: would the buying club ever admit they overpaid?cockwombles[/p][/quote]Equally, would the selling club ever admit they got fleeced?[/p][/quote]fair point but youd never sell to a low placed pl club without addons for staying up would you?youd have to be a right cockwomble to agree to that Cockwomble
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1:49pm Tue 24 Jun 14

gordongull says...

Albion In Staffs wrote:
Out of politeness, I should clarify that the word the system blocked in my last message was nothing than 'b*tch'.I wouldn't want anyone to think I was being offensive.
And in terms of the Bridcutt price, I have my information, others have there's, let's leave it there. No pint in a long range weeing contest.
Thanks for the 5th asterisk, Albion in Staffs.
[quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: Out of politeness, I should clarify that the word the system blocked in my last message was nothing than 'b*tch'.I wouldn't want anyone to think I was being offensive. And in terms of the Bridcutt price, I have my information, others have there's, let's leave it there. No pint in a long range weeing contest.[/p][/quote]Thanks for the 5th asterisk, Albion in Staffs. gordongull
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