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Albion loanee back training with Wolves

The Argus: Stephen Ward Stephen Ward

Albion transfer target Stephen Ward has returned to pre-season training today with parent club Wolves amid suggestions financial terms could scupper his return to the Amex.

New Seagulls boss Sami Hyypia is believed to be keen to land the Irish international left-back on a permanent basis after he impressed on loan last season under Oscar Garcia.

But Ward's wages and the fee demanded by Wolves for the 28-year-old are hurdles in completing a deal.

Albion are reportedly unwilling to match his £13,000-a-week salary at Molineux, £3,000 a week more than they paid in last season's loan agreement with Wolves.

The League One champions are also expected to ask for a modest six-figure fee for long-serving Ward, who still has a year left on his contract.

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9:57am Wed 25 Jun 14

TheWerewolf says...

AT that price I think Sami can find better. A shame since he was a solid player, but not one to break the pay structure for
AT that price I think Sami can find better. A shame since he was a solid player, but not one to break the pay structure for TheWerewolf
  • Score: 14

10:05am Wed 25 Jun 14

Cockwomble says...

club paid him 10k of 13k per week?mbtss on here said we paid all his wage and it was 12k.surely he wasnt wrong?cockwomble
club paid him 10k of 13k per week?mbtss on here said we paid all his wage and it was 12k.surely he wasnt wrong?cockwomble Cockwomble
  • Score: 4

10:12am Wed 25 Jun 14

pjwilk says...

Might have guessed it would come down to not wanting to spend money.the team gets even weaker.
Might have guessed it would come down to not wanting to spend money.the team gets even weaker. pjwilk
  • Score: -25

10:19am Wed 25 Jun 14

tug509 says...

If Wolves wanted a "Modest" six figure sum say £100,000 and we paid £13,000 a week the difference over a year being £150,000 ,where else are we going to get a tried and tested LB that already knows our team for £250,000 ?.
Surely worth the money !. UTA
If Wolves wanted a "Modest" six figure sum say £100,000 and we paid £13,000 a week the difference over a year being £150,000 ,where else are we going to get a tried and tested LB that already knows our team for £250,000 ?. Surely worth the money !. UTA tug509
  • Score: 46

10:32am Wed 25 Jun 14

Jules boy says...

Should get him back here training with us - such an obvious move
Should get him back here training with us - such an obvious move Jules boy
  • Score: 7

10:39am Wed 25 Jun 14

hannover seagull says...

tug509 wrote:
If Wolves wanted a "Modest" six figure sum say £100,000 and we paid £13,000 a week the difference over a year being £150,000 ,where else are we going to get a tried and tested LB that already knows our team for £250,000 ?.
Surely worth the money !. UTA
Wolves made it guite clear last season that there was no future for Ward at Molineux
Something behind the scenes has happened
I do agree with your maths Tug and on paper should be straight forward however I tend to think that the board has a strict top end wages cap and will not cross the line.Would not be surprised to see him back but more on our terms
Looking forward to the new season already after a grim world cup
UTA.......
[quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: If Wolves wanted a "Modest" six figure sum say £100,000 and we paid £13,000 a week the difference over a year being £150,000 ,where else are we going to get a tried and tested LB that already knows our team for £250,000 ?. Surely worth the money !. UTA[/p][/quote]Wolves made it guite clear last season that there was no future for Ward at Molineux Something behind the scenes has happened I do agree with your maths Tug and on paper should be straight forward however I tend to think that the board has a strict top end wages cap and will not cross the line.Would not be surprised to see him back but more on our terms Looking forward to the new season already after a grim world cup UTA....... hannover seagull
  • Score: 11

10:41am Wed 25 Jun 14

dave from bexill says...

tug509 wrote:
If Wolves wanted a "Modest" six figure sum say £100,000 and we paid £13,000 a week the difference over a year being £150,000 ,where else are we going to get a tried and tested LB that already knows our team for £250,000 ?.
Surely worth the money !. UTA
I know some on here moan when no proper info is forthcoming from the club, even when there's now't happening, but in this case, assuming the article is factual, it would be good to get a response from central control in respect of this story. As Tug says, £250K for a year, surely worth it. However, on the other hand, Wolves six figure sum, could be a lot more than £100K and Albion hopefully are trying to negotiate a figure which suits all parties.
[quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: If Wolves wanted a "Modest" six figure sum say £100,000 and we paid £13,000 a week the difference over a year being £150,000 ,where else are we going to get a tried and tested LB that already knows our team for £250,000 ?. Surely worth the money !. UTA[/p][/quote]I know some on here moan when no proper info is forthcoming from the club, even when there's now't happening, but in this case, assuming the article is factual, it would be good to get a response from central control in respect of this story. As Tug says, £250K for a year, surely worth it. However, on the other hand, Wolves six figure sum, could be a lot more than £100K and Albion hopefully are trying to negotiate a figure which suits all parties. dave from bexill
  • Score: 2

10:43am Wed 25 Jun 14

The Phantom says...

Unusually specific details for an Argus article. Interesting as from Wolves point of view he is still under contract and is a current Eire international. From our point of view I think 10K a week for say a three year contract would be fair to both parties - if Ward can get a better deal elsewhere good luck to him. Personally I would sooner pay the big money on a real difference maker rather than a left back, albeit that he had a very good season last year.
Unusually specific details for an Argus article. Interesting as from Wolves point of view he is still under contract and is a current Eire international. From our point of view I think 10K a week for say a three year contract would be fair to both parties - if Ward can get a better deal elsewhere good luck to him. Personally I would sooner pay the big money on a real difference maker rather than a left back, albeit that he had a very good season last year. The Phantom
  • Score: -1

10:44am Wed 25 Jun 14

Albion In Staffs says...

It's interesting that reading between the lines, the story appears mildly critical of Albion's approach.
In stating that wages and the fee could be obstacles, it goes on to conveniently point out (for effect no doubt) that Wolves want a 'modest' six-figure sum. I'm reading that as Mr. Naylor being none too impressed at a potentially frugal approach. And if, as it looks, the information has come from the agent, I'd further suggest that he's not exactly chucking enthusiasm in our direction either.
I do hope I'm wrong, but it seems to me the subliminal message doesn't exactly smell of optimism and if it's accurate, you have to wonder how on earth we're going to mount a serious challenge with a string of cheaper options?
It's interesting that reading between the lines, the story appears mildly critical of Albion's approach. In stating that wages and the fee could be obstacles, it goes on to conveniently point out (for effect no doubt) that Wolves want a 'modest' six-figure sum. I'm reading that as Mr. Naylor being none too impressed at a potentially frugal approach. And if, as it looks, the information has come from the agent, I'd further suggest that he's not exactly chucking enthusiasm in our direction either. I do hope I'm wrong, but it seems to me the subliminal message doesn't exactly smell of optimism and if it's accurate, you have to wonder how on earth we're going to mount a serious challenge with a string of cheaper options? Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 7

10:45am Wed 25 Jun 14

AlanDuffy says...

Apparently there has been interest in Ward from other championship clubs after his performances last season so you have to expect the player and his club to go for the best deal........and Brighton to try to negotiate it down, which I think is where we are at. Wouldn't be surprised if a compromise is reached and he signs.
Apparently there has been interest in Ward from other championship clubs after his performances last season so you have to expect the player and his club to go for the best deal........and Brighton to try to negotiate it down, which I think is where we are at. Wouldn't be surprised if a compromise is reached and he signs. AlanDuffy
  • Score: 5

11:12am Wed 25 Jun 14

tug509 says...

Hi Hannover ,imho Wolves have already told the world and his dog that Ward has no future with them ,and so no one is going to cough up a higher end six figure fee ,Ward also knows The Albion and us supporters ,he enjoyed his time with us ,and surely he cant want to start afresh ,better the devil you know and all that .
I appreciate the board having a strict top end wages cap ,but to be so inflexible over such an issue ,as to lose a good player in this way ,would be nothing short of stupidity ,the simple fact is ,we are NOT going to find a similar player with the experience Ward has ,in such an important position for less than £1M ,so IF this is the case it doesn`t bode well for future signings !. UTA
Hi Hannover ,imho Wolves have already told the world and his dog that Ward has no future with them ,and so no one is going to cough up a higher end six figure fee ,Ward also knows The Albion and us supporters ,he enjoyed his time with us ,and surely he cant want to start afresh ,better the devil you know and all that . I appreciate the board having a strict top end wages cap ,but to be so inflexible over such an issue ,as to lose a good player in this way ,would be nothing short of stupidity ,the simple fact is ,we are NOT going to find a similar player with the experience Ward has ,in such an important position for less than £1M ,so IF this is the case it doesn`t bode well for future signings !. UTA tug509
  • Score: 10

11:13am Wed 25 Jun 14

pte says...

As Staffs says Naylor's use of the word "modest fee" is interesting. The word "modest" could not have come from BHA because they would be putting themselves under pressure to sign the player. For Naylor to use the word "modest" means he knows the exact asking fee otherwise how else can he decide whether it's modest or not. If the word "modest" came from Wolves then he would have to say Wolves describe it as a "modest fee", but he doesn't

My guess is the fee is the same as what we received for Adam El Abd so all we are arguing about is the 3k a week difference (150k a year). There might be the player's signing on fee but he doesnt have a future at Wolves but might at BHA

A club with gates of 27k and the highest ticket prices should be able to pay that kind of wage
As Staffs says Naylor's use of the word "modest fee" is interesting. The word "modest" could not have come from BHA because they would be putting themselves under pressure to sign the player. For Naylor to use the word "modest" means he knows the exact asking fee otherwise how else can he decide whether it's modest or not. If the word "modest" came from Wolves then he would have to say Wolves describe it as a "modest fee", but he doesn't My guess is the fee is the same as what we received for Adam El Abd so all we are arguing about is the 3k a week difference (150k a year). There might be the player's signing on fee but he doesnt have a future at Wolves but might at BHA A club with gates of 27k and the highest ticket prices should be able to pay that kind of wage pte
  • Score: 6

11:20am Wed 25 Jun 14

Albion fan in London says...

Is this a lot for a full international who was arguably one of top performers last season. I know we cant have it all but Its pointing towards another difficult summer in the transfer market for us, I hope I am wrong
Is this a lot for a full international who was arguably one of top performers last season. I know we cant have it all but Its pointing towards another difficult summer in the transfer market for us, I hope I am wrong Albion fan in London
  • Score: 9

11:22am Wed 25 Jun 14

jockithenoo says...

EIGHT LEGS OF VENISON THEN !!!!!!!!!
UTA
EIGHT LEGS OF VENISON THEN !!!!!!!!! UTA jockithenoo
  • Score: -3

11:26am Wed 25 Jun 14

tug509 says...

Hi Dave ,if the only problem is wages ,surely it makes sense to pay in this case ,i think SW only missed a couple of games all last season ,and was solid throughout ,so the extra reported £3,000 would be easily justifiable when taken in context with what surely must be a lower end fee to Wolves . If the problem is with Wolves asking price then that is nonsensical on their part ,with 1 year left on his contract ,and everyone knowing that want rid ,they are not going to command a big fee ,even if more than one other club is looking at him ,he has a say ,and personally ,given his experience and commitment to us last season not to mention his ever prescence ,i would see him as a good buy if we paid £350/400,000 to strengthen our back 5 .
Again players of his standard and for that sort of price ,dont grow on trees . UTA
Hi Dave ,if the only problem is wages ,surely it makes sense to pay in this case ,i think SW only missed a couple of games all last season ,and was solid throughout ,so the extra reported £3,000 would be easily justifiable when taken in context with what surely must be a lower end fee to Wolves . If the problem is with Wolves asking price then that is nonsensical on their part ,with 1 year left on his contract ,and everyone knowing that want rid ,they are not going to command a big fee ,even if more than one other club is looking at him ,he has a say ,and personally ,given his experience and commitment to us last season not to mention his ever prescence ,i would see him as a good buy if we paid £350/400,000 to strengthen our back 5 . Again players of his standard and for that sort of price ,dont grow on trees . UTA tug509
  • Score: 9

11:40am Wed 25 Jun 14

hannover seagull says...

tug509 wrote:
Hi Hannover ,imho Wolves have already told the world and his dog that Ward has no future with them ,and so no one is going to cough up a higher end six figure fee ,Ward also knows The Albion and us supporters ,he enjoyed his time with us ,and surely he cant want to start afresh ,better the devil you know and all that .
I appreciate the board having a strict top end wages cap ,but to be so inflexible over such an issue ,as to lose a good player in this way ,would be nothing short of stupidity ,the simple fact is ,we are NOT going to find a similar player with the experience Ward has ,in such an important position for less than £1M ,so IF this is the case it doesn`t bode well for future signings !. UTA
Agree again
in my opinion its not what we have to pay for Ward its what we will have to find for any other player of that level
Seems a bargain at 1M.or thereabouts.
Staffs makes a very good point about the apparent modest fee being asked
If true it makes us look a bit parsimonious in the deal
C´mon Brighton he´s available he´s good enough he knows his way around,sign him up before someone else does
UTA......
[quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: Hi Hannover ,imho Wolves have already told the world and his dog that Ward has no future with them ,and so no one is going to cough up a higher end six figure fee ,Ward also knows The Albion and us supporters ,he enjoyed his time with us ,and surely he cant want to start afresh ,better the devil you know and all that . I appreciate the board having a strict top end wages cap ,but to be so inflexible over such an issue ,as to lose a good player in this way ,would be nothing short of stupidity ,the simple fact is ,we are NOT going to find a similar player with the experience Ward has ,in such an important position for less than £1M ,so IF this is the case it doesn`t bode well for future signings !. UTA[/p][/quote]Agree again in my opinion its not what we have to pay for Ward its what we will have to find for any other player of that level Seems a bargain at 1M.or thereabouts. Staffs makes a very good point about the apparent modest fee being asked If true it makes us look a bit parsimonious in the deal C´mon Brighton he´s available he´s good enough he knows his way around,sign him up before someone else does UTA...... hannover seagull
  • Score: 7

11:42am Wed 25 Jun 14

Clean Sheet says...

I suspect the Albion are still in negotiations with Wolves/his Agent, and The Argus is making a story, something they have been very short of recently. Ward was a great signing last season, and I would welcome him back permanently. He improved during the season under our coaching, and got his international place back. He was a contender for Player of the Season, but rightly lost out to Upson in the end. The Board will be considering his costs against other options. We have to trust them to make the right decision, and they haven't got many wrong recently.
I suspect the Albion are still in negotiations with Wolves/his Agent, and The Argus is making a story, something they have been very short of recently. Ward was a great signing last season, and I would welcome him back permanently. He improved during the season under our coaching, and got his international place back. He was a contender for Player of the Season, but rightly lost out to Upson in the end. The Board will be considering his costs against other options. We have to trust them to make the right decision, and they haven't got many wrong recently. Clean Sheet
  • Score: 2

11:47am Wed 25 Jun 14

Claude Back says...

I wonder who is keeping Ward out of the team at Wolves? Perhaps we should bid for him? Puts it in perspective.
I wonder who is keeping Ward out of the team at Wolves? Perhaps we should bid for him? Puts it in perspective. Claude Back
  • Score: 3

11:52am Wed 25 Jun 14

john newman says...

Time to go shopping!! Lots of players around that will be reasonably priced so lets get moving. Find some who know where the goal is!!! and don't buy any England forwards who cannot score if the keeper went out for a burger. Defenders who can tackle and head against the long ball. Don't buy any England defenders!!.
Time to go shopping!! Lots of players around that will be reasonably priced so lets get moving. Find some who know where the goal is!!! and don't buy any England forwards who cannot score if the keeper went out for a burger. Defenders who can tackle and head against the long ball. Don't buy any England defenders!!. john newman
  • Score: 1

11:59am Wed 25 Jun 14

jackjessmax says...

So he's worth two thirds of a £million a year, then?? All hugely insulting to fans and part of the spiral that will kill the game outside of the Premier League. Forget him and move on.
So he's worth two thirds of a £million a year, then?? All hugely insulting to fans and part of the spiral that will kill the game outside of the Premier League. Forget him and move on. jackjessmax
  • Score: -3

12:04pm Wed 25 Jun 14

pte says...

The argus will know the exact fee from the agent or player. They won't publish it so as not to antagonize the club or embarrass their source
The argus will know the exact fee from the agent or player. They won't publish it so as not to antagonize the club or embarrass their source pte
  • Score: 0

12:22pm Wed 25 Jun 14

BobGear says...

tug509 wrote:
If Wolves wanted a "Modest" six figure sum say £100,000 and we paid £13,000 a week the difference over a year being £150,000 ,where else are we going to get a tried and tested LB that already knows our team for £250,000 ?.
Surely worth the money !. UTA
It wouldn't be a year though would it?

if we were to sign him we'd be matching his wages at Wolves. If we were to sign him we'd be signing him on a deal for longer than one year, and would therefore be paying £150k over the odds for every year of that deal
[quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: If Wolves wanted a "Modest" six figure sum say £100,000 and we paid £13,000 a week the difference over a year being £150,000 ,where else are we going to get a tried and tested LB that already knows our team for £250,000 ?. Surely worth the money !. UTA[/p][/quote]It wouldn't be a year though would it? if we were to sign him we'd be matching his wages at Wolves. If we were to sign him we'd be signing him on a deal for longer than one year, and would therefore be paying £150k over the odds for every year of that deal BobGear
  • Score: 1

12:30pm Wed 25 Jun 14

B rian Tawses left foot says...

Now is the time for the club to make it's statement of intent. I'm not expecting the albion to spend silly money on untried players but Ward is pure quality - I thought he should have been player of the year. He would be a wise and prudent investment. Also we need to keep Ulloa - Engand's inability to score shows just how rare natural goal scorers are.
Now is the time for the club to make it's statement of intent. I'm not expecting the albion to spend silly money on untried players but Ward is pure quality - I thought he should have been player of the year. He would be a wise and prudent investment. Also we need to keep Ulloa - Engand's inability to score shows just how rare natural goal scorers are. B rian Tawses left foot
  • Score: 6

12:34pm Wed 25 Jun 14

tug509 says...

BobGear , initially it would be for one year ,next year is a long time away ,he may leave ,we may let him go ,we may sell him ,he might have proven (once again) how much we need players like him ,he might score the winning goal to win the League Cup or get us promoted ,we have no way of knowing ,but we can renew his contract accordingly at the end of the season ,personally on what i saw last season ,he is worth the 2 year deal with bells on . UTA
BobGear , initially it would be for one year ,next year is a long time away ,he may leave ,we may let him go ,we may sell him ,he might have proven (once again) how much we need players like him ,he might score the winning goal to win the League Cup or get us promoted ,we have no way of knowing ,but we can renew his contract accordingly at the end of the season ,personally on what i saw last season ,he is worth the 2 year deal with bells on . UTA tug509
  • Score: 3

1:17pm Wed 25 Jun 14

VegasSeagull says...

Hi Guys.
I think Naylor speaks of the, 'modest,' fee by way of making it clear that Wolves are not the problem, and neither is the fee, this is all about a cap on spending. 3K a week above the cap may not seem much, but now add that figure to others that we might bring in, bought or borrowed. If out of a squad of say 28 players just five of them exceed the cap by the same amount, that's 75K a week, over half a million a year above our wage structure limit. What you do for one others will expect you to do for them.

If we agree to the exra 3K a week for Ward, will clubs loaning us their players also want the extra 3K, assuming the player is on good money. If we buy a striker with some proven ablity, will he want the extra 3K, once you step outside your of your pay structure it becomes a slippery slope. Dare I say that this is a product of FFP?
Hi Guys. I think Naylor speaks of the, 'modest,' fee by way of making it clear that Wolves are not the problem, and neither is the fee, this is all about a cap on spending. 3K a week above the cap may not seem much, but now add that figure to others that we might bring in, bought or borrowed. If out of a squad of say 28 players just five of them exceed the cap by the same amount, that's 75K a week, over half a million a year above our wage structure limit. What you do for one others will expect you to do for them. If we agree to the exra 3K a week for Ward, will clubs loaning us their players also want the extra 3K, assuming the player is on good money. If we buy a striker with some proven ablity, will he want the extra 3K, once you step outside your of your pay structure it becomes a slippery slope. Dare I say that this is a product of FFP? VegasSeagull
  • Score: 13

1:25pm Wed 25 Jun 14

Asleep in Dorset says...

Jules boy wrote:
Should get him back here training with us - such an obvious move
um.....he's a Wolves player.....der !!
[quote][p][bold]Jules boy[/bold] wrote: Should get him back here training with us - such an obvious move[/p][/quote]um.....he's a Wolves player.....der !! Asleep in Dorset
  • Score: 1

1:30pm Wed 25 Jun 14

Mayfield sweeper says...

A shame, this is the sort of player we really need. Incredible that wolves spent last season below our division yet can afford higher wages, yes they are a big well supported club but even so!
A shame, this is the sort of player we really need. Incredible that wolves spent last season below our division yet can afford higher wages, yes they are a big well supported club but even so! Mayfield sweeper
  • Score: -6

2:08pm Wed 25 Jun 14

gordongull says...

Mayfield sweeper wrote:
A shame, this is the sort of player we really need. Incredible that wolves spent last season below our division yet can afford higher wages, yes they are a big well supported club but even so!
Wolves have revceived £16m in parachuter payments over each of the last two seasons, Mayfield. They still have £8m to come in each of the next two seasons, (a lower figure for seasons 3 and 4).
That is £48m more in wages than we can afford over four years.
[quote][p][bold]Mayfield sweeper[/bold] wrote: A shame, this is the sort of player we really need. Incredible that wolves spent last season below our division yet can afford higher wages, yes they are a big well supported club but even so![/p][/quote]Wolves have revceived £16m in parachuter payments over each of the last two seasons, Mayfield. They still have £8m to come in each of the next two seasons, (a lower figure for seasons 3 and 4). That is £48m more in wages than we can afford over four years. gordongull
  • Score: 8

2:12pm Wed 25 Jun 14

WisdomSpeaks says...

I'm concerned at this dedicated allegiance to FFP - which does not mean I'm against running the club on a sound financial footing. That is imperative. However we must acknowledge that football really is a unique business.

Firstly the people running the majority of clubs have little or no experience in the industry. Not many businesses could claim that!

Secondly, the financial success or failure of the business will ultimately always be a reflection of the success/failure on the pitch. Every single penny which comes into the business is as a direct result of the footballing success - and if that is forgotten it can be a rocky road.

Thirdly, most experts agree that when FFP is challenged in the courts - as it surely will be sooner or later especially where QPR are concerned - it would not stand up in a court of law as it would be seen as a restriction of trade. If an owner decides he/she wishes to pay £20 million, as an example, for sponsorship of their business, who has the right to deny such freedom?

I'd like to think that as a club we could be free to be flexible and take calculated risks - needed in any successful venture - and I see the Ward deal as one that would be worth taking. Solid player, loyal and decent character and great role model to younger players. Worth the risk IMO!
I'm concerned at this dedicated allegiance to FFP - which does not mean I'm against running the club on a sound financial footing. That is imperative. However we must acknowledge that football really is a unique business. Firstly the people running the majority of clubs have little or no experience in the industry. Not many businesses could claim that! Secondly, the financial success or failure of the business will ultimately always be a reflection of the success/failure on the pitch. Every single penny which comes into the business is as a direct result of the footballing success - and if that is forgotten it can be a rocky road. Thirdly, most experts agree that when FFP is challenged in the courts - as it surely will be sooner or later especially where QPR are concerned - it would not stand up in a court of law as it would be seen as a restriction of trade. If an owner decides he/she wishes to pay £20 million, as an example, for sponsorship of their business, who has the right to deny such freedom? I'd like to think that as a club we could be free to be flexible and take calculated risks - needed in any successful venture - and I see the Ward deal as one that would be worth taking. Solid player, loyal and decent character and great role model to younger players. Worth the risk IMO! WisdomSpeaks
  • Score: 8

2:14pm Wed 25 Jun 14

tug509 says...

Hi Vegas ,

on first view everything you say is ,as usual correct ,but not all our players are on the same wage ,it will vary ,and the true figures are never bandied about ,we might guess ,but thats all it will be . If we were sensible and paid the extra £3k a week ,we dont just get a great and reliable lad ,Sammi gets another experienced confidante to help bring any new lads up to speed ,he was with us during the building of the new training facilities and must know every inch of our set up ,this is worth a lot to the club straight away .

Of course we cant throw money here and there ,but if you pay one lad £13k a week and another £7k that is still inside the pay structure ,only a fool (not aimed at an individual) would say there is no flexibility ,if this is the case ,anyone can do that ,so why have the money men to state a prerequisite ?.

Surely Vegas if we had 5 out of the 28 that were on an extra £3k a week totalling £750,000 a year above our wage structure ,i would make several points on this ,the first ,you said recently yourself ,you think we could/should/might reduce the squad size which i agreed with ,and would save money ,secondly if the 5 players on higher wages were of a higher quality then it is worth it ,provided we make that money back ,i would suggest using both points to achieve this : if we are targetting 9 players for instance ,i would rather we bought 7 higher quality at the £3k extra a week ,and sacrifice buying the extra 2 ,this would/should with the money mens skills balance the books ,the out goings would not change ,just how they were used !.

As for any loans ,i would hope that NO other club is privvy to our wage structure or policy ,hence should`nt have an effect i hope . Again i point out ,i do not support a free for all with any monies we have at our dispossal ,i do believe they are flexible imho . UTA
Hi Vegas , on first view everything you say is ,as usual correct ,but not all our players are on the same wage ,it will vary ,and the true figures are never bandied about ,we might guess ,but thats all it will be . If we were sensible and paid the extra £3k a week ,we dont just get a great and reliable lad ,Sammi gets another experienced confidante to help bring any new lads up to speed ,he was with us during the building of the new training facilities and must know every inch of our set up ,this is worth a lot to the club straight away . Of course we cant throw money here and there ,but if you pay one lad £13k a week and another £7k that is still inside the pay structure ,only a fool (not aimed at an individual) would say there is no flexibility ,if this is the case ,anyone can do that ,so why have the money men to state a prerequisite ?. Surely Vegas if we had 5 out of the 28 that were on an extra £3k a week totalling £750,000 a year above our wage structure ,i would make several points on this ,the first ,you said recently yourself ,you think we could/should/might reduce the squad size which i agreed with ,and would save money ,secondly if the 5 players on higher wages were of a higher quality then it is worth it ,provided we make that money back ,i would suggest using both points to achieve this : if we are targetting 9 players for instance ,i would rather we bought 7 higher quality at the £3k extra a week ,and sacrifice buying the extra 2 ,this would/should with the money mens skills balance the books ,the out goings would not change ,just how they were used !. As for any loans ,i would hope that NO other club is privvy to our wage structure or policy ,hence should`nt have an effect i hope . Again i point out ,i do not support a free for all with any monies we have at our dispossal ,i do believe they are flexible imho . UTA tug509
  • Score: 2

2:29pm Wed 25 Jun 14

tug509 says...

WisdomSpeaks wrote:
I'm concerned at this dedicated allegiance to FFP - which does not mean I'm against running the club on a sound financial footing. That is imperative. However we must acknowledge that football really is a unique business.

Firstly the people running the majority of clubs have little or no experience in the industry. Not many businesses could claim that!

Secondly, the financial success or failure of the business will ultimately always be a reflection of the success/failure on the pitch. Every single penny which comes into the business is as a direct result of the footballing success - and if that is forgotten it can be a rocky road.

Thirdly, most experts agree that when FFP is challenged in the courts - as it surely will be sooner or later especially where QPR are concerned - it would not stand up in a court of law as it would be seen as a restriction of trade. If an owner decides he/she wishes to pay £20 million, as an example, for sponsorship of their business, who has the right to deny such freedom?

I'd like to think that as a club we could be free to be flexible and take calculated risks - needed in any successful venture - and I see the Ward deal as one that would be worth taking. Solid player, loyal and decent character and great role model to younger players. Worth the risk IMO!
Totally agree with you on most of this Wisdom ,but finances are a very touchy subject on this site ,any of us who would actively support the financial breakdown of our Magnificent club ,should be taken round back and shot for the betterment of man ,but to want to see some creative flexibility is not treachery but a wish for OUR colours to fly from the tallest flagpole ! :0). UTA
[quote][p][bold]WisdomSpeaks[/bold] wrote: I'm concerned at this dedicated allegiance to FFP - which does not mean I'm against running the club on a sound financial footing. That is imperative. However we must acknowledge that football really is a unique business. Firstly the people running the majority of clubs have little or no experience in the industry. Not many businesses could claim that! Secondly, the financial success or failure of the business will ultimately always be a reflection of the success/failure on the pitch. Every single penny which comes into the business is as a direct result of the footballing success - and if that is forgotten it can be a rocky road. Thirdly, most experts agree that when FFP is challenged in the courts - as it surely will be sooner or later especially where QPR are concerned - it would not stand up in a court of law as it would be seen as a restriction of trade. If an owner decides he/she wishes to pay £20 million, as an example, for sponsorship of their business, who has the right to deny such freedom? I'd like to think that as a club we could be free to be flexible and take calculated risks - needed in any successful venture - and I see the Ward deal as one that would be worth taking. Solid player, loyal and decent character and great role model to younger players. Worth the risk IMO![/p][/quote]Totally agree with you on most of this Wisdom ,but finances are a very touchy subject on this site ,any of us who would actively support the financial breakdown of our Magnificent club ,should be taken round back and shot for the betterment of man ,but to want to see some creative flexibility is not treachery but a wish for OUR colours to fly from the tallest flagpole ! :0). UTA tug509
  • Score: 1

2:34pm Wed 25 Jun 14

Neville says...

Regrettably this is going to be a sign of future things,we will no doubt be searching the lower leagues for bargains who may or may not make the Championship successfully. We have the Pl stadium and academy unfortunately we won,t have a Pl team for the foreseeable future.
I know several season ticket holders who are planning to let them run their course and just attend specific matches.The club communications are poor as they were last season and fans desperate for any news are fed regurgitated old news daily.The club hierarchy in my opinion are playing a dangerous game and fans who pay top prices wNt to see some player investment,not players being released continually.Ready for the torrent of thumbs down from fans who only see the club thru rose tinted glasses,I have supported club many years and really cannot see us mounting any sort of realistic challenge next year,hope I am wrong.
Regrettably this is going to be a sign of future things,we will no doubt be searching the lower leagues for bargains who may or may not make the Championship successfully. We have the Pl stadium and academy unfortunately we won,t have a Pl team for the foreseeable future. I know several season ticket holders who are planning to let them run their course and just attend specific matches.The club communications are poor as they were last season and fans desperate for any news are fed regurgitated old news daily.The club hierarchy in my opinion are playing a dangerous game and fans who pay top prices wNt to see some player investment,not players being released continually.Ready for the torrent of thumbs down from fans who only see the club thru rose tinted glasses,I have supported club many years and really cannot see us mounting any sort of realistic challenge next year,hope I am wrong. Neville
  • Score: 9

2:38pm Wed 25 Jun 14

VegasSeagull says...

tug509 wrote:
Hi Vegas ,

on first view everything you say is ,as usual correct ,but not all our players are on the same wage ,it will vary ,and the true figures are never bandied about ,we might guess ,but thats all it will be . If we were sensible and paid the extra £3k a week ,we dont just get a great and reliable lad ,Sammi gets another experienced confidante to help bring any new lads up to speed ,he was with us during the building of the new training facilities and must know every inch of our set up ,this is worth a lot to the club straight away .

Of course we cant throw money here and there ,but if you pay one lad £13k a week and another £7k that is still inside the pay structure ,only a fool (not aimed at an individual) would say there is no flexibility ,if this is the case ,anyone can do that ,so why have the money men to state a prerequisite ?.

Surely Vegas if we had 5 out of the 28 that were on an extra £3k a week totalling £750,000 a year above our wage structure ,i would make several points on this ,the first ,you said recently yourself ,you think we could/should/might reduce the squad size which i agreed with ,and would save money ,secondly if the 5 players on higher wages were of a higher quality then it is worth it ,provided we make that money back ,i would suggest using both points to achieve this : if we are targetting 9 players for instance ,i would rather we bought 7 higher quality at the £3k extra a week ,and sacrifice buying the extra 2 ,this would/should with the money mens skills balance the books ,the out goings would not change ,just how they were used !.

As for any loans ,i would hope that NO other club is privvy to our wage structure or policy ,hence should`nt have an effect i hope . Again i point out ,i do not support a free for all with any monies we have at our dispossal ,i do believe they are flexible imho . UTA
Hi Tug.
I completely see where you are coming from, and your thoughts do seem reasonable, but I beg to differ here and there. Yes some players are on less money, not all get the max our pay structure allows, but there are reasons for that.
I would guess that Stephens is not on the max payout, not at this time, and that Ulloa is, but to say that the money we are not paying Stephens should go to another, doesn't work. If we were to take this approach it's like saying, because we are not paying out 10K a week to all players, we must be within our wage structure, but how can that be.

Our budget, one would think, is on the basis of wages for ability, those at the top get the highest wages, those coming thru get less, the numbers would have been calculated on this basis. If we take what we are not paying to Stephens, and then give that to another, what happens when Stephens is worth more, the money to pay him more would have been spent. It was reported that we paid 10K a week toward the wages of Wayne Bridge, would they have not wanted 13K if they could have got it.

The pay structure, and the money set aside for pay, allows for increases for those that improve their game, but if that money has gone into another's pocket, well you can only spend the money once, when it's gone it's gone, or you increase your budget.

I don't think it's right to look at just one player, an extra 3K a week to Ward on the face of it is nothing, but it has a knock on effect. If we are to break our pay structure, run the risk of others both in and out of the club wanting more, then do it for Ulloa, if that is what it takes to keep him, and as good as Ward is, I would rathr keep Leo if it meant that we lost Ward.

A pay structure is a pay structure, you either have one or you don't, but if you do, then you must stick to it, if you don't what's the point in having one.
[quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: Hi Vegas , on first view everything you say is ,as usual correct ,but not all our players are on the same wage ,it will vary ,and the true figures are never bandied about ,we might guess ,but thats all it will be . If we were sensible and paid the extra £3k a week ,we dont just get a great and reliable lad ,Sammi gets another experienced confidante to help bring any new lads up to speed ,he was with us during the building of the new training facilities and must know every inch of our set up ,this is worth a lot to the club straight away . Of course we cant throw money here and there ,but if you pay one lad £13k a week and another £7k that is still inside the pay structure ,only a fool (not aimed at an individual) would say there is no flexibility ,if this is the case ,anyone can do that ,so why have the money men to state a prerequisite ?. Surely Vegas if we had 5 out of the 28 that were on an extra £3k a week totalling £750,000 a year above our wage structure ,i would make several points on this ,the first ,you said recently yourself ,you think we could/should/might reduce the squad size which i agreed with ,and would save money ,secondly if the 5 players on higher wages were of a higher quality then it is worth it ,provided we make that money back ,i would suggest using both points to achieve this : if we are targetting 9 players for instance ,i would rather we bought 7 higher quality at the £3k extra a week ,and sacrifice buying the extra 2 ,this would/should with the money mens skills balance the books ,the out goings would not change ,just how they were used !. As for any loans ,i would hope that NO other club is privvy to our wage structure or policy ,hence should`nt have an effect i hope . Again i point out ,i do not support a free for all with any monies we have at our dispossal ,i do believe they are flexible imho . UTA[/p][/quote]Hi Tug. I completely see where you are coming from, and your thoughts do seem reasonable, but I beg to differ here and there. Yes some players are on less money, not all get the max our pay structure allows, but there are reasons for that. I would guess that Stephens is not on the max payout, not at this time, and that Ulloa is, but to say that the money we are not paying Stephens should go to another, doesn't work. If we were to take this approach it's like saying, because we are not paying out 10K a week to all players, we must be within our wage structure, but how can that be. Our budget, one would think, is on the basis of wages for ability, those at the top get the highest wages, those coming thru get less, the numbers would have been calculated on this basis. If we take what we are not paying to Stephens, and then give that to another, what happens when Stephens is worth more, the money to pay him more would have been spent. It was reported that we paid 10K a week toward the wages of Wayne Bridge, would they have not wanted 13K if they could have got it. The pay structure, and the money set aside for pay, allows for increases for those that improve their game, but if that money has gone into another's pocket, well you can only spend the money once, when it's gone it's gone, or you increase your budget. I don't think it's right to look at just one player, an extra 3K a week to Ward on the face of it is nothing, but it has a knock on effect. If we are to break our pay structure, run the risk of others both in and out of the club wanting more, then do it for Ulloa, if that is what it takes to keep him, and as good as Ward is, I would rathr keep Leo if it meant that we lost Ward. A pay structure is a pay structure, you either have one or you don't, but if you do, then you must stick to it, if you don't what's the point in having one. VegasSeagull
  • Score: -1

2:48pm Wed 25 Jun 14

ballantrrae says...

I hope that the Albion to acquire Ward on a permanent basis but don't break the bank in doing so.
In response to Tug509's point about the figures I agree that an extra £150 thousand a year isn't much but I suspect that Ward is looking for a longer term deal, say a 3 year contract which of course changes the maths to an extra £450,000 over and above Wolves 'modest' fee (say £200,000 to not under-estimate Wolves asking price).
However in this case I think that David Burke should, if he isn't already, think outside the box. Surely the use of a signing on fee of £450,000 (the difference) would then enable BHA to pay the same £10,000 a week we spent last season. As Tug says how likely are we to find a LB of the same quality for (to use my figures) £650,000 especially a player who would be capable of playing in the PL ?
No doubt SH will have a view and I am pleased that the final decision will be his.
I hope that the Albion to acquire Ward on a permanent basis but don't break the bank in doing so. In response to Tug509's point about the figures I agree that an extra £150 thousand a year isn't much but I suspect that Ward is looking for a longer term deal, say a 3 year contract which of course changes the maths to an extra £450,000 over and above Wolves 'modest' fee (say £200,000 to not under-estimate Wolves asking price). However in this case I think that David Burke should, if he isn't already, think outside the box. Surely the use of a signing on fee of £450,000 (the difference) would then enable BHA to pay the same £10,000 a week we spent last season. As Tug says how likely are we to find a LB of the same quality for (to use my figures) £650,000 especially a player who would be capable of playing in the PL ? No doubt SH will have a view and I am pleased that the final decision will be his. ballantrrae
  • Score: 5

3:02pm Wed 25 Jun 14

Jules boy says...

Asleep in Dorset wrote:
Jules boy wrote:
Should get him back here training with us - such an obvious move
um.....he's a Wolves player.....der !!
um ... buy him... der
[quote][p][bold]Asleep in Dorset[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jules boy[/bold] wrote: Should get him back here training with us - such an obvious move[/p][/quote]um.....he's a Wolves player.....der !![/p][/quote]um ... buy him... der Jules boy
  • Score: -1

3:11pm Wed 25 Jun 14

DougRouvie says...

On a slightly different piece of business, How astute of Arsenal triggering a release clause and buying back Vela for £3.25m after selling him to Real Sociedad for £2.5m in 2012, and are now going to sell him back again for £12.75m. Bizzarre but it makes sense, I think.
On a slightly different piece of business, How astute of Arsenal triggering a release clause and buying back Vela for £3.25m after selling him to Real Sociedad for £2.5m in 2012, and are now going to sell him back again for £12.75m. Bizzarre but it makes sense, I think. DougRouvie
  • Score: 2

3:14pm Wed 25 Jun 14

Clean Sheet says...

Jules boy wrote:
Asleep in Dorset wrote:
Jules boy wrote: Should get him back here training with us - such an obvious move
um.....he's a Wolves player.....der !!
um ... buy him... der
Jules, Are you offering to pay? It is always very easy to spend other peoples money. Ask my daughter:)
[quote][p][bold]Jules boy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Asleep in Dorset[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jules boy[/bold] wrote: Should get him back here training with us - such an obvious move[/p][/quote]um.....he's a Wolves player.....der !![/p][/quote]um ... buy him... der[/p][/quote]Jules, Are you offering to pay? It is always very easy to spend other peoples money. Ask my daughter:) Clean Sheet
  • Score: 3

3:16pm Wed 25 Jun 14

Mayfield sweeper says...

gordongull wrote:
Mayfield sweeper wrote:
A shame, this is the sort of player we really need. Incredible that wolves spent last season below our division yet can afford higher wages, yes they are a big well supported club but even so!
Wolves have revceived £16m in parachuter payments over each of the last two seasons, Mayfield. They still have £8m to come in each of the next two seasons, (a lower figure for seasons 3 and 4).
That is £48m more in wages than we can afford over four years.
Oh yes the ridiculous parachute payments, they are a disgrace. Why should they be given 48 million to spend for being relegated twice? And because of FFP we can't even spend 48 million of our own money, if we have it. Ridiculous.
[quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mayfield sweeper[/bold] wrote: A shame, this is the sort of player we really need. Incredible that wolves spent last season below our division yet can afford higher wages, yes they are a big well supported club but even so![/p][/quote]Wolves have revceived £16m in parachuter payments over each of the last two seasons, Mayfield. They still have £8m to come in each of the next two seasons, (a lower figure for seasons 3 and 4). That is £48m more in wages than we can afford over four years.[/p][/quote]Oh yes the ridiculous parachute payments, they are a disgrace. Why should they be given 48 million to spend for being relegated twice? And because of FFP we can't even spend 48 million of our own money, if we have it. Ridiculous. Mayfield sweeper
  • Score: 8

3:25pm Wed 25 Jun 14

mikeygit says...

Shame if we cannot sign him up! But it would be good, knowing we have so many gaps to fill, to hear of some signings or even possible signings, maybe much going on behind the scenes, but this is begining to make me nervous and seems so much like last season! Not being negative just my view on things. Many new players wanted and with a new manager he has to get to know new players and the ones we already still have!
Shame if we cannot sign him up! But it would be good, knowing we have so many gaps to fill, to hear of some signings or even possible signings, maybe much going on behind the scenes, but this is begining to make me nervous and seems so much like last season! Not being negative just my view on things. Many new players wanted and with a new manager he has to get to know new players and the ones we already still have! mikeygit
  • Score: 1

3:40pm Wed 25 Jun 14

bruce beckett says...

Regrettably this is going to be a sign of future things,we will no doubt be searching the lower leagues for bargains who may or may not make the Championship successfully. We have the Pl stadium and academy unfortunately we won,t have a Pl team for the foreseeable future.

Agree, Neville. We've already lost TK and Upson. Now we're probably going to miss out on Ward because we're not willing to meet his wage demands, which I don't believe are excessive for an international player of his quality.

To hell with FFP. We're going to be up against teams receiving parachute payments each and every year. It hasn't stopped Forest signing their usual half a dozen strikers.

The time is now for Brighton. If we don't sign players of sufficient quality to get us into the Premier League, how long before season ticket sales start to fall and crowds dwindle?

Sometimes in life you have to speculate to accumulate. In a year or two, we might be fighting to stay in the Championship rather than win promotion.

Keep Ulloa, sign Ward, add a quality central defender and a midfield general and we'll be challenging for the top two next season, especially if Crofts and CMS return to full fitness.

I hope they didn't just appoint Hyppia to do things on the cheap.
Regrettably this is going to be a sign of future things,we will no doubt be searching the lower leagues for bargains who may or may not make the Championship successfully. We have the Pl stadium and academy unfortunately we won,t have a Pl team for the foreseeable future. Agree, Neville. We've already lost TK and Upson. Now we're probably going to miss out on Ward because we're not willing to meet his wage demands, which I don't believe are excessive for an international player of his quality. To hell with FFP. We're going to be up against teams receiving parachute payments each and every year. It hasn't stopped Forest signing their usual half a dozen strikers. The time is now for Brighton. If we don't sign players of sufficient quality to get us into the Premier League, how long before season ticket sales start to fall and crowds dwindle? Sometimes in life you have to speculate to accumulate. In a year or two, we might be fighting to stay in the Championship rather than win promotion. Keep Ulloa, sign Ward, add a quality central defender and a midfield general and we'll be challenging for the top two next season, especially if Crofts and CMS return to full fitness. I hope they didn't just appoint Hyppia to do things on the cheap. bruce beckett
  • Score: 6

3:41pm Wed 25 Jun 14

gordongull says...

The wage structure has been put in place primarily comply with FFP, and I agree with the points that Vegas has made about not exceeding the figure for individual cases.
The challenge is to sign players of the right quality within the parameters that have been decided, and where that cannot be negotiated, we move on to a target whose wages the Club can afford.
The wage structure has been put in place primarily comply with FFP, and I agree with the points that Vegas has made about not exceeding the figure for individual cases. The challenge is to sign players of the right quality within the parameters that have been decided, and where that cannot be negotiated, we move on to a target whose wages the Club can afford. gordongull
  • Score: 1

3:49pm Wed 25 Jun 14

WisdomSpeaks says...

tug509 wrote:
WisdomSpeaks wrote:
I'm concerned at this dedicated allegiance to FFP - which does not mean I'm against running the club on a sound financial footing. That is imperative. However we must acknowledge that football really is a unique business.

Firstly the people running the majority of clubs have little or no experience in the industry. Not many businesses could claim that!

Secondly, the financial success or failure of the business will ultimately always be a reflection of the success/failure on the pitch. Every single penny which comes into the business is as a direct result of the footballing success - and if that is forgotten it can be a rocky road.

Thirdly, most experts agree that when FFP is challenged in the courts - as it surely will be sooner or later especially where QPR are concerned - it would not stand up in a court of law as it would be seen as a restriction of trade. If an owner decides he/she wishes to pay £20 million, as an example, for sponsorship of their business, who has the right to deny such freedom?

I'd like to think that as a club we could be free to be flexible and take calculated risks - needed in any successful venture - and I see the Ward deal as one that would be worth taking. Solid player, loyal and decent character and great role model to younger players. Worth the risk IMO!
Totally agree with you on most of this Wisdom ,but finances are a very touchy subject on this site ,any of us who would actively support the financial breakdown of our Magnificent club ,should be taken round back and shot for the betterment of man ,but to want to see some creative flexibility is not treachery but a wish for OUR colours to fly from the tallest flagpole ! :0). UTA
Couldn't have put it better myself!
[quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WisdomSpeaks[/bold] wrote: I'm concerned at this dedicated allegiance to FFP - which does not mean I'm against running the club on a sound financial footing. That is imperative. However we must acknowledge that football really is a unique business. Firstly the people running the majority of clubs have little or no experience in the industry. Not many businesses could claim that! Secondly, the financial success or failure of the business will ultimately always be a reflection of the success/failure on the pitch. Every single penny which comes into the business is as a direct result of the footballing success - and if that is forgotten it can be a rocky road. Thirdly, most experts agree that when FFP is challenged in the courts - as it surely will be sooner or later especially where QPR are concerned - it would not stand up in a court of law as it would be seen as a restriction of trade. If an owner decides he/she wishes to pay £20 million, as an example, for sponsorship of their business, who has the right to deny such freedom? I'd like to think that as a club we could be free to be flexible and take calculated risks - needed in any successful venture - and I see the Ward deal as one that would be worth taking. Solid player, loyal and decent character and great role model to younger players. Worth the risk IMO![/p][/quote]Totally agree with you on most of this Wisdom ,but finances are a very touchy subject on this site ,any of us who would actively support the financial breakdown of our Magnificent club ,should be taken round back and shot for the betterment of man ,but to want to see some creative flexibility is not treachery but a wish for OUR colours to fly from the tallest flagpole ! :0). UTA[/p][/quote]Couldn't have put it better myself! WisdomSpeaks
  • Score: 2

3:49pm Wed 25 Jun 14

tug509 says...

Clean Sheet wrote:
Jules boy wrote:
Asleep in Dorset wrote:
Jules boy wrote: Should get him back here training with us - such an obvious move
um.....he's a Wolves player.....der !!
um ... buy him... der
Jules, Are you offering to pay? It is always very easy to spend other peoples money. Ask my daughter:)
Hi Clean Sheet ,and how much do you think an equally good replacement would cost ,with the knowledge and experience he already has of The Albion and our style and idiosyncrasies ,we could ,if we tried hard enough have him back here in 48 hours ,but as Hannover said we are parsimonious (thanks HS) and we may lose him because of that ,and that would be an Ian Dury . UTA
[quote][p][bold]Clean Sheet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jules boy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Asleep in Dorset[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jules boy[/bold] wrote: Should get him back here training with us - such an obvious move[/p][/quote]um.....he's a Wolves player.....der !![/p][/quote]um ... buy him... der[/p][/quote]Jules, Are you offering to pay? It is always very easy to spend other peoples money. Ask my daughter:)[/p][/quote]Hi Clean Sheet ,and how much do you think an equally good replacement would cost ,with the knowledge and experience he already has of The Albion and our style and idiosyncrasies ,we could ,if we tried hard enough have him back here in 48 hours ,but as Hannover said we are parsimonious (thanks HS) and we may lose him because of that ,and that would be an Ian Dury . UTA tug509
  • Score: -3

3:50pm Wed 25 Jun 14

Beale32 says...

I see Birmingham have just signed there ninth player already. It would be nice if we had our squad ready for start of pre season. I can see the squad going to Spain will be full of players on trial.

hopefully it will be like buses. You wait for one and then 2 or 3 come along at once
I see Birmingham have just signed there ninth player already. It would be nice if we had our squad ready for start of pre season. I can see the squad going to Spain will be full of players on trial. hopefully it will be like buses. You wait for one and then 2 or 3 come along at once Beale32
  • Score: 9

3:52pm Wed 25 Jun 14

WisdomSpeaks says...

bruce beckett wrote:
Regrettably this is going to be a sign of future things,we will no doubt be searching the lower leagues for bargains who may or may not make the Championship successfully. We have the Pl stadium and academy unfortunately we won,t have a Pl team for the foreseeable future.

Agree, Neville. We've already lost TK and Upson. Now we're probably going to miss out on Ward because we're not willing to meet his wage demands, which I don't believe are excessive for an international player of his quality.

To hell with FFP. We're going to be up against teams receiving parachute payments each and every year. It hasn't stopped Forest signing their usual half a dozen strikers.

The time is now for Brighton. If we don't sign players of sufficient quality to get us into the Premier League, how long before season ticket sales start to fall and crowds dwindle?

Sometimes in life you have to speculate to accumulate. In a year or two, we might be fighting to stay in the Championship rather than win promotion.

Keep Ulloa, sign Ward, add a quality central defender and a midfield general and we'll be challenging for the top two next season, especially if Crofts and CMS return to full fitness.

I hope they didn't just appoint Hyppia to do things on the cheap.
I think that's exactly what they expect.......why else have we lost two managers in two years?
[quote][p][bold]bruce beckett[/bold] wrote: Regrettably this is going to be a sign of future things,we will no doubt be searching the lower leagues for bargains who may or may not make the Championship successfully. We have the Pl stadium and academy unfortunately we won,t have a Pl team for the foreseeable future. Agree, Neville. We've already lost TK and Upson. Now we're probably going to miss out on Ward because we're not willing to meet his wage demands, which I don't believe are excessive for an international player of his quality. To hell with FFP. We're going to be up against teams receiving parachute payments each and every year. It hasn't stopped Forest signing their usual half a dozen strikers. The time is now for Brighton. If we don't sign players of sufficient quality to get us into the Premier League, how long before season ticket sales start to fall and crowds dwindle? Sometimes in life you have to speculate to accumulate. In a year or two, we might be fighting to stay in the Championship rather than win promotion. Keep Ulloa, sign Ward, add a quality central defender and a midfield general and we'll be challenging for the top two next season, especially if Crofts and CMS return to full fitness. I hope they didn't just appoint Hyppia to do things on the cheap.[/p][/quote]I think that's exactly what they expect.......why else have we lost two managers in two years? WisdomSpeaks
  • Score: 3

3:54pm Wed 25 Jun 14

Neville says...

Gordon gull
In other words lower league players who may or not make the grade.
Last season the club received money from sale of Bridcutt,Barnes etc and none of the money was spent bar fee for Stephens and any loans,despite being told by TB that last seasons budget was slightly up on the previous season. That money has no doubt now been used to facilitate FFP.
It is therefore unlikely to change for this coming season.
Gordon gull In other words lower league players who may or not make the grade. Last season the club received money from sale of Bridcutt,Barnes etc and none of the money was spent bar fee for Stephens and any loans,despite being told by TB that last seasons budget was slightly up on the previous season. That money has no doubt now been used to facilitate FFP. It is therefore unlikely to change for this coming season. Neville
  • Score: 4

3:55pm Wed 25 Jun 14

WisdomSpeaks says...

DougRouvie wrote:
On a slightly different piece of business, How astute of Arsenal triggering a release clause and buying back Vela for £3.25m after selling him to Real Sociedad for £2.5m in 2012, and are now going to sell him back again for £12.75m. Bizzarre but it makes sense, I think.
That's why I think Wenger is a genius.After all he is a qualified accountant as well!!!
[quote][p][bold]DougRouvie[/bold] wrote: On a slightly different piece of business, How astute of Arsenal triggering a release clause and buying back Vela for £3.25m after selling him to Real Sociedad for £2.5m in 2012, and are now going to sell him back again for £12.75m. Bizzarre but it makes sense, I think.[/p][/quote]That's why I think Wenger is a genius.After all he is a qualified accountant as well!!! WisdomSpeaks
  • Score: 3

4:09pm Wed 25 Jun 14

Cockwomble says...

bruce beckett wrote:
Regrettably this is going to be a sign of future things,we will no doubt be searching the lower leagues for bargains who may or may not make the Championship successfully. We have the Pl stadium and academy unfortunately we won,t have a Pl team for the foreseeable future.

Agree, Neville. We've already lost TK and Upson. Now we're probably going to miss out on Ward because we're not willing to meet his wage demands, which I don't believe are excessive for an international player of his quality.

To hell with FFP. We're going to be up against teams receiving parachute payments each and every year. It hasn't stopped Forest signing their usual half a dozen strikers.

The time is now for Brighton. If we don't sign players of sufficient quality to get us into the Premier League, how long before season ticket sales start to fall and crowds dwindle?

Sometimes in life you have to speculate to accumulate. In a year or two, we might be fighting to stay in the Championship rather than win promotion.

Keep Ulloa, sign Ward, add a quality central defender and a midfield general and we'll be challenging for the top two next season, especially if Crofts and CMS return to full fitness.

I hope they didn't just appoint Hyppia to do things on the cheap.
to hell with ffp?really?and yes speculate to accumulate but dont you think we already have someone who knows a thing or two about that in tb?
[quote][p][bold]bruce beckett[/bold] wrote: Regrettably this is going to be a sign of future things,we will no doubt be searching the lower leagues for bargains who may or may not make the Championship successfully. We have the Pl stadium and academy unfortunately we won,t have a Pl team for the foreseeable future. Agree, Neville. We've already lost TK and Upson. Now we're probably going to miss out on Ward because we're not willing to meet his wage demands, which I don't believe are excessive for an international player of his quality. To hell with FFP. We're going to be up against teams receiving parachute payments each and every year. It hasn't stopped Forest signing their usual half a dozen strikers. The time is now for Brighton. If we don't sign players of sufficient quality to get us into the Premier League, how long before season ticket sales start to fall and crowds dwindle? Sometimes in life you have to speculate to accumulate. In a year or two, we might be fighting to stay in the Championship rather than win promotion. Keep Ulloa, sign Ward, add a quality central defender and a midfield general and we'll be challenging for the top two next season, especially if Crofts and CMS return to full fitness. I hope they didn't just appoint Hyppia to do things on the cheap.[/p][/quote]to hell with ffp?really?and yes speculate to accumulate but dont you think we already have someone who knows a thing or two about that in tb? Cockwomble
  • Score: 3

4:22pm Wed 25 Jun 14

2ndCitySeagull says...

I fear this is unlikely to end in a deal for everyone concerned. Assuming Ward has not made a transfer request I think he will be entitled to have his contract paid up by Wolves, let's say there's 10 months left worth £570k to the player. If the player agrees to accept a reduced payment from Wolves and receives a signing on fee from the Albion commensurate with the reduction from the sellers than a deal is possible, but I fear Wolves will look to recoup their losses by asking for a modest fee from the buyers, commensurate to the total balance of the players wages they continued to pay last season, say that is £150k and Ward settles for £400k from Wolves and £170k from Albion to sign. So far so good but what about the future wage structure? Even if the player agrees to cap his wage at £13k a week, that's £1.3M over two years, plus £220k in transfer fees, is that really good value compared to what we paid for Chicksen and what we pay the younger player in wages?
I fear this is unlikely to end in a deal for everyone concerned. Assuming Ward has not made a transfer request I think he will be entitled to have his contract paid up by Wolves, let's say there's 10 months left worth £570k to the player. If the player agrees to accept a reduced payment from Wolves and receives a signing on fee from the Albion commensurate with the reduction from the sellers than a deal is possible, but I fear Wolves will look to recoup their losses by asking for a modest fee from the buyers, commensurate to the total balance of the players wages they continued to pay last season, say that is £150k and Ward settles for £400k from Wolves and £170k from Albion to sign. So far so good but what about the future wage structure? Even if the player agrees to cap his wage at £13k a week, that's £1.3M over two years, plus £220k in transfer fees, is that really good value compared to what we paid for Chicksen and what we pay the younger player in wages? 2ndCitySeagull
  • Score: 2

4:37pm Wed 25 Jun 14

brighton bluenose says...

WisdomSpeaks wrote:
bruce beckett wrote:
Regrettably this is going to be a sign of future things,we will no doubt be searching the lower leagues for bargains who may or may not make the Championship successfully. We have the Pl stadium and academy unfortunately we won,t have a Pl team for the foreseeable future.

Agree, Neville. We've already lost TK and Upson. Now we're probably going to miss out on Ward because we're not willing to meet his wage demands, which I don't believe are excessive for an international player of his quality.

To hell with FFP. We're going to be up against teams receiving parachute payments each and every year. It hasn't stopped Forest signing their usual half a dozen strikers.

The time is now for Brighton. If we don't sign players of sufficient quality to get us into the Premier League, how long before season ticket sales start to fall and crowds dwindle?

Sometimes in life you have to speculate to accumulate. In a year or two, we might be fighting to stay in the Championship rather than win promotion.

Keep Ulloa, sign Ward, add a quality central defender and a midfield general and we'll be challenging for the top two next season, especially if Crofts and CMS return to full fitness.

I hope they didn't just appoint Hyppia to do things on the cheap.
I think that's exactly what they expect.......why else have we lost two managers in two years?
Unfortunately you are 100% correct!
Bruce Becket says 'our time is now' but in reality it has been and gone - our chance was under Poyet and to a lesser extent under OG last term and we are now back-peddling to comply with FFP with TB gambling that the League will hammer the club's that are non-compliant! The ONLY way to get out of this league without spending big is the Sean Dyche way - employ a manager with Championship experience!
I will back Hyypia to the hilt home and away but can't help thinking that with the Ward saga dragging on he will be getting limited backing from the board to replace the numerous players lost since January!
[quote][p][bold]WisdomSpeaks[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bruce beckett[/bold] wrote: Regrettably this is going to be a sign of future things,we will no doubt be searching the lower leagues for bargains who may or may not make the Championship successfully. We have the Pl stadium and academy unfortunately we won,t have a Pl team for the foreseeable future. Agree, Neville. We've already lost TK and Upson. Now we're probably going to miss out on Ward because we're not willing to meet his wage demands, which I don't believe are excessive for an international player of his quality. To hell with FFP. We're going to be up against teams receiving parachute payments each and every year. It hasn't stopped Forest signing their usual half a dozen strikers. The time is now for Brighton. If we don't sign players of sufficient quality to get us into the Premier League, how long before season ticket sales start to fall and crowds dwindle? Sometimes in life you have to speculate to accumulate. In a year or two, we might be fighting to stay in the Championship rather than win promotion. Keep Ulloa, sign Ward, add a quality central defender and a midfield general and we'll be challenging for the top two next season, especially if Crofts and CMS return to full fitness. I hope they didn't just appoint Hyppia to do things on the cheap.[/p][/quote]I think that's exactly what they expect.......why else have we lost two managers in two years?[/p][/quote]Unfortunately you are 100% correct! Bruce Becket says 'our time is now' but in reality it has been and gone - our chance was under Poyet and to a lesser extent under OG last term and we are now back-peddling to comply with FFP with TB gambling that the League will hammer the club's that are non-compliant! The ONLY way to get out of this league without spending big is the Sean Dyche way - employ a manager with Championship experience! I will back Hyypia to the hilt home and away but can't help thinking that with the Ward saga dragging on he will be getting limited backing from the board to replace the numerous players lost since January! brighton bluenose
  • Score: 1

4:37pm Wed 25 Jun 14

VegasSeagull says...

I have no idea what Calde and Bruno are paid, but they know, and both are about to negotiate a new contracts, raise the max pay ceiling to accomodate one and you have to look at what the effect is on others, even if they are not on max pay. If I am a player making 3K less than the max, do I now want an extra 3K a week to maitain parity before I sign my new contract?
I have no idea what Calde and Bruno are paid, but they know, and both are about to negotiate a new contracts, raise the max pay ceiling to accomodate one and you have to look at what the effect is on others, even if they are not on max pay. If I am a player making 3K less than the max, do I now want an extra 3K a week to maitain parity before I sign my new contract? VegasSeagull
  • Score: 5

4:49pm Wed 25 Jun 14

arc12 says...

£13k a week - no wonder clubs are gong to the wall. He was a solid player last season but £13k a week!!!! It takes him 21 days to earn what I get in a year. I'd rather the club went for younger players who ill cost less and give us potential for the future.
£13k a week - no wonder clubs are gong to the wall. He was a solid player last season but £13k a week!!!! It takes him 21 days to earn what I get in a year. I'd rather the club went for younger players who ill cost less and give us potential for the future. arc12
  • Score: 10

4:58pm Wed 25 Jun 14

VegasSeagull says...

Reading what Hyypia has said about pre-season training, Buckley had better hope that his hamstrings hold up, he could be our first casualty before the season even starts. Hyypia has ruled Crofts out for the coming few weeks.
Reading what Hyypia has said about pre-season training, Buckley had better hope that his hamstrings hold up, he could be our first casualty before the season even starts. Hyypia has ruled Crofts out for the coming few weeks. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 2

4:59pm Wed 25 Jun 14

bruce beckett says...

I agree 13k a week is over the top and I can easily understand the fans who don't want him back at that price. But I can tell you one thing, there are at least 10 clubs in the Championship who will be willing to pay that amount for a decent left-back.

The question is: is either Chicksen or Maksimenko ready to step into the position next season? From the little I saw of him last season, Chicksen looks some way away from being a first-team regular.
I agree 13k a week is over the top and I can easily understand the fans who don't want him back at that price. But I can tell you one thing, there are at least 10 clubs in the Championship who will be willing to pay that amount for a decent left-back. The question is: is either Chicksen or Maksimenko ready to step into the position next season? From the little I saw of him last season, Chicksen looks some way away from being a first-team regular. bruce beckett
  • Score: 2

5:02pm Wed 25 Jun 14

dinobha says...

tug509 wrote:
Hi Dave ,if the only problem is wages ,surely it makes sense to pay in this case ,i think SW only missed a couple of games all last season ,and was solid throughout ,so the extra reported £3,000 would be easily justifiable when taken in context with what surely must be a lower end fee to Wolves . If the problem is with Wolves asking price then that is nonsensical on their part ,with 1 year left on his contract ,and everyone knowing that want rid ,they are not going to command a big fee ,even if more than one other club is looking at him ,he has a say ,and personally ,given his experience and commitment to us last season not to mention his ever prescence ,i would see him as a good buy if we paid £350/400,000 to strengthen our back 5 .
Again players of his standard and for that sort of price ,dont grow on trees . UTA
All speculation, rumour and guesswork. No one knows the real story until the player says something in public. Until then sit back and relax, if he wants to come then I'm sure BHA can make it happen but if he wants to get the best deal possible he will be off somewhere else and we will start the season with somebody else at left back. Last year we were all suicidal at Wayne Bridges departure and he ended up being a passenger for Reading. Que sera sera!
[quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: Hi Dave ,if the only problem is wages ,surely it makes sense to pay in this case ,i think SW only missed a couple of games all last season ,and was solid throughout ,so the extra reported £3,000 would be easily justifiable when taken in context with what surely must be a lower end fee to Wolves . If the problem is with Wolves asking price then that is nonsensical on their part ,with 1 year left on his contract ,and everyone knowing that want rid ,they are not going to command a big fee ,even if more than one other club is looking at him ,he has a say ,and personally ,given his experience and commitment to us last season not to mention his ever prescence ,i would see him as a good buy if we paid £350/400,000 to strengthen our back 5 . Again players of his standard and for that sort of price ,dont grow on trees . UTA[/p][/quote]All speculation, rumour and guesswork. No one knows the real story until the player says something in public. Until then sit back and relax, if he wants to come then I'm sure BHA can make it happen but if he wants to get the best deal possible he will be off somewhere else and we will start the season with somebody else at left back. Last year we were all suicidal at Wayne Bridges departure and he ended up being a passenger for Reading. Que sera sera! dinobha
  • Score: 2

5:17pm Wed 25 Jun 14

VegasSeagull says...

bruce beckett wrote:
I agree 13k a week is over the top and I can easily understand the fans who don't want him back at that price. But I can tell you one thing, there are at least 10 clubs in the Championship who will be willing to pay that amount for a decent left-back.

The question is: is either Chicksen or Maksimenko ready to step into the position next season? From the little I saw of him last season, Chicksen looks some way away from being a first-team regular.
Ward might choose to go to a club that would pay the extra 3K a week, that's his decision to make, but it might serve him well to remember last season.

In most people's minds he was a clear runner up for player of the year, in fact some, and I am one, had him above Upson. The Brighton fans want him, he will start every game he is fit to start, a three year deal would give him 1.5 million, plus bonuses, no other champ div club has our facilities or support.

In Hyppia he has a manager that would certainly help him build on his performances of last year, and in Tony Bloom he has a Chairman who is totally committed to the cause. Join another club and he has to start all over again but with us, well it would be just like coming home, back to the surroundings he has got to know over the last year, with the added bonus of a new training ground.
[quote][p][bold]bruce beckett[/bold] wrote: I agree 13k a week is over the top and I can easily understand the fans who don't want him back at that price. But I can tell you one thing, there are at least 10 clubs in the Championship who will be willing to pay that amount for a decent left-back. The question is: is either Chicksen or Maksimenko ready to step into the position next season? From the little I saw of him last season, Chicksen looks some way away from being a first-team regular.[/p][/quote]Ward might choose to go to a club that would pay the extra 3K a week, that's his decision to make, but it might serve him well to remember last season. In most people's minds he was a clear runner up for player of the year, in fact some, and I am one, had him above Upson. The Brighton fans want him, he will start every game he is fit to start, a three year deal would give him 1.5 million, plus bonuses, no other champ div club has our facilities or support. In Hyppia he has a manager that would certainly help him build on his performances of last year, and in Tony Bloom he has a Chairman who is totally committed to the cause. Join another club and he has to start all over again but with us, well it would be just like coming home, back to the surroundings he has got to know over the last year, with the added bonus of a new training ground. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 4

5:28pm Wed 25 Jun 14

bruce beckett says...

Vegas, I'm surprised at you. Living in America, you of all people should know that it's all about the money. I'm quite sure he couldn't give a rat's **** who the chairman is.
Vegas, I'm surprised at you. Living in America, you of all people should know that it's all about the money. I'm quite sure he couldn't give a rat's **** who the chairman is. bruce beckett
  • Score: 2

5:49pm Wed 25 Jun 14

gordongull says...

Neville wrote:
Gordon gull
In other words lower league players who may or not make the grade.
Last season the club received money from sale of Bridcutt,Barnes etc and none of the money was spent bar fee for Stephens and any loans,despite being told by TB that last seasons budget was slightly up on the previous season. That money has no doubt now been used to facilitate FFP.
It is therefore unlikely to change for this coming season.
There will be players of the required calibre available for the right money this summer, Neville.
This transfer window is about who blinks first, and I don't think it will be Tony Bloom.
[quote][p][bold]Neville[/bold] wrote: Gordon gull In other words lower league players who may or not make the grade. Last season the club received money from sale of Bridcutt,Barnes etc and none of the money was spent bar fee for Stephens and any loans,despite being told by TB that last seasons budget was slightly up on the previous season. That money has no doubt now been used to facilitate FFP. It is therefore unlikely to change for this coming season.[/p][/quote]There will be players of the required calibre available for the right money this summer, Neville. This transfer window is about who blinks first, and I don't think it will be Tony Bloom. gordongull
  • Score: 3

5:51pm Wed 25 Jun 14

mark by the sea says...

Cockwomble wrote:
club paid him 10k of 13k per week?mbtss on here said we paid all his wage and it was 12k.surely he wasnt wrong?cockwomble
I quoted sky sports, and someone in the club who told me, obviously the Argus must have the facts?
As for not paying 13k a week, I am sure of two things, either wolves will want him off the wage bill, or someone will pay him the 13k or possibly more,
I really think the big news to come out in next few days is ulloa wanting away,
One reason other than , hyypia said he wanted him to stay another year?
And ulloa suddenly having a spokesman who was on tap during the summer close.
**** womble ... I also said season tickets would suffer .. 2000 down on this time last season. We will no doubt have to sell to keep within FFP rules.
[quote][p][bold]Cockwomble[/bold] wrote: club paid him 10k of 13k per week?mbtss on here said we paid all his wage and it was 12k.surely he wasnt wrong?cockwomble[/p][/quote]I quoted sky sports, and someone in the club who told me, obviously the Argus must have the facts? As for not paying 13k a week, I am sure of two things, either wolves will want him off the wage bill, or someone will pay him the 13k or possibly more, I really think the big news to come out in next few days is ulloa wanting away, One reason other than , hyypia said he wanted him to stay another year? And ulloa suddenly having a spokesman who was on tap during the summer close. **** womble ... I also said season tickets would suffer .. 2000 down on this time last season. We will no doubt have to sell to keep within FFP rules. mark by the sea
  • Score: -5

6:05pm Wed 25 Jun 14

To baldly go says...

bruce beckett wrote:
Vegas, I'm surprised at you. Living in America, you of all people should know that it's all about the money. I'm quite sure he couldn't give a rat's **** who the chairman is.
Agree on all accounts BB, money, money, money, it's what football is all about, especially for the players, as for us supporters, it's the results and the entertainment that we get from watching that counts, with no players coming in and if the play is anything like it was at the back end of last season, the crowds will drop imo.
[quote][p][bold]bruce beckett[/bold] wrote: Vegas, I'm surprised at you. Living in America, you of all people should know that it's all about the money. I'm quite sure he couldn't give a rat's **** who the chairman is.[/p][/quote]Agree on all accounts BB, money, money, money, it's what football is all about, especially for the players, as for us supporters, it's the results and the entertainment that we get from watching that counts, with no players coming in and if the play is anything like it was at the back end of last season, the crowds will drop imo. To baldly go
  • Score: 3

6:32pm Wed 25 Jun 14

tug509 says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
I have no idea what Calde and Bruno are paid, but they know, and both are about to negotiate a new contracts, raise the max pay ceiling to accomodate one and you have to look at what the effect is on others, even if they are not on max pay. If I am a player making 3K less than the max, do I now want an extra 3K a week to maitain parity before I sign my new contract?
No ,come on Vegas ,by your way of thinking all players discuss their earnings openly ,which would mean all players at Man City are on £330,000 a week ? ,wages are earnt (even in Football ) AB doesn`t ask CD what you getting and then run to the boss for a rise ,these things are all kept quiete sshhh !. UTA
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: I have no idea what Calde and Bruno are paid, but they know, and both are about to negotiate a new contracts, raise the max pay ceiling to accomodate one and you have to look at what the effect is on others, even if they are not on max pay. If I am a player making 3K less than the max, do I now want an extra 3K a week to maitain parity before I sign my new contract?[/p][/quote]No ,come on Vegas ,by your way of thinking all players discuss their earnings openly ,which would mean all players at Man City are on £330,000 a week ? ,wages are earnt (even in Football ) AB doesn`t ask CD what you getting and then run to the boss for a rise ,these things are all kept quiete sshhh !. UTA tug509
  • Score: 0

6:36pm Wed 25 Jun 14

mark by the sea says...

tug509 wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
I have no idea what Calde and Bruno are paid, but they know, and both are about to negotiate a new contracts, raise the max pay ceiling to accomodate one and you have to look at what the effect is on others, even if they are not on max pay. If I am a player making 3K less than the max, do I now want an extra 3K a week to maitain parity before I sign my new contract?
No ,come on Vegas ,by your way of thinking all players discuss their earnings openly ,which would mean all players at Man City are on £330,000 a week ? ,wages are earnt (even in Football ) AB doesn`t ask CD what you getting and then run to the boss for a rise ,these things are all kept quiete sshhh !. UTA
Lol the point about caldi and Bruno is would they get better money else where?? In my mind they would struggle at most clubs to get a deal on really top money, maybe a Div 1 side possibly ..... But reality is they probably have been offered less than they were on last season.
[quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: I have no idea what Calde and Bruno are paid, but they know, and both are about to negotiate a new contracts, raise the max pay ceiling to accomodate one and you have to look at what the effect is on others, even if they are not on max pay. If I am a player making 3K less than the max, do I now want an extra 3K a week to maitain parity before I sign my new contract?[/p][/quote]No ,come on Vegas ,by your way of thinking all players discuss their earnings openly ,which would mean all players at Man City are on £330,000 a week ? ,wages are earnt (even in Football ) AB doesn`t ask CD what you getting and then run to the boss for a rise ,these things are all kept quiete sshhh !. UTA[/p][/quote]Lol the point about caldi and Bruno is would they get better money else where?? In my mind they would struggle at most clubs to get a deal on really top money, maybe a Div 1 side possibly ..... But reality is they probably have been offered less than they were on last season. mark by the sea
  • Score: 5

6:37pm Wed 25 Jun 14

Grendel says...

Fed up with hearing about who won't be joining us.
Fed up with hearing about who won't be joining us. Grendel
  • Score: 2

6:41pm Wed 25 Jun 14

gordongull says...

Stephen Ward has a contract which guarantees him £13k a week over the next year
Why would he negotiate himself a deal paying £3k a week less?
There is no way he is coming here, if we don't match what he is getting at Wolves.
He will either find a club willing to pay the £13k, or stay where he is. Whether Wolves want him off their books or not is irrelevant. Ward is holding all the aces.
Stephen Ward has a contract which guarantees him £13k a week over the next year Why would he negotiate himself a deal paying £3k a week less? There is no way he is coming here, if we don't match what he is getting at Wolves. He will either find a club willing to pay the £13k, or stay where he is. Whether Wolves want him off their books or not is irrelevant. Ward is holding all the aces. gordongull
  • Score: 7

6:42pm Wed 25 Jun 14

AlfieT says...

I see Diego Poyet is looking for a move away from the valley -:)
I see Diego Poyet is looking for a move away from the valley -:) AlfieT
  • Score: -6

6:45pm Wed 25 Jun 14

tug509 says...

mark by the sea wrote:
tug509 wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
I have no idea what Calde and Bruno are paid, but they know, and both are about to negotiate a new contracts, raise the max pay ceiling to accomodate one and you have to look at what the effect is on others, even if they are not on max pay. If I am a player making 3K less than the max, do I now want an extra 3K a week to maitain parity before I sign my new contract?
No ,come on Vegas ,by your way of thinking all players discuss their earnings openly ,which would mean all players at Man City are on £330,000 a week ? ,wages are earnt (even in Football ) AB doesn`t ask CD what you getting and then run to the boss for a rise ,these things are all kept quiete sshhh !. UTA
Lol the point about caldi and Bruno is would they get better money else where?? In my mind they would struggle at most clubs to get a deal on really top money, maybe a Div 1 side possibly ..... But reality is they probably have been offered less than they were on last season.
And you know this how ?.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: I have no idea what Calde and Bruno are paid, but they know, and both are about to negotiate a new contracts, raise the max pay ceiling to accomodate one and you have to look at what the effect is on others, even if they are not on max pay. If I am a player making 3K less than the max, do I now want an extra 3K a week to maitain parity before I sign my new contract?[/p][/quote]No ,come on Vegas ,by your way of thinking all players discuss their earnings openly ,which would mean all players at Man City are on £330,000 a week ? ,wages are earnt (even in Football ) AB doesn`t ask CD what you getting and then run to the boss for a rise ,these things are all kept quiete sshhh !. UTA[/p][/quote]Lol the point about caldi and Bruno is would they get better money else where?? In my mind they would struggle at most clubs to get a deal on really top money, maybe a Div 1 side possibly ..... But reality is they probably have been offered less than they were on last season.[/p][/quote]And you know this how ?. tug509
  • Score: 5

6:49pm Wed 25 Jun 14

VegasSeagull says...

tug509 wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
I have no idea what Calde and Bruno are paid, but they know, and both are about to negotiate a new contracts, raise the max pay ceiling to accomodate one and you have to look at what the effect is on others, even if they are not on max pay. If I am a player making 3K less than the max, do I now want an extra 3K a week to maitain parity before I sign my new contract?
No ,come on Vegas ,by your way of thinking all players discuss their earnings openly ,which would mean all players at Man City are on £330,000 a week ? ,wages are earnt (even in Football ) AB doesn`t ask CD what you getting and then run to the boss for a rise ,these things are all kept quiete sshhh !. UTA
Agreed Tug, those things are kept quiet, but today we are reading about Ward and the 10K limit compared to the 13K demand, so Bruno and Calde don't have to ask anyone, it's in the public domain. The new left back breaks the wage cap and the right backs don't consider this when negotiating their own new contracts, really?

Tug it's like raising the minimum wage, if you pay the bus boys more money those above them want more to maintain their differential. If Calde and Bruno are on say, 7K a week, and I have no idea if they are, is Ward 6K better in terms of performance? Everyone says that money talks, that players are only in it for their own bank balance, if that is true, why wouldn't our right backs want more if Ward breaks the ceiling?
[quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: I have no idea what Calde and Bruno are paid, but they know, and both are about to negotiate a new contracts, raise the max pay ceiling to accomodate one and you have to look at what the effect is on others, even if they are not on max pay. If I am a player making 3K less than the max, do I now want an extra 3K a week to maitain parity before I sign my new contract?[/p][/quote]No ,come on Vegas ,by your way of thinking all players discuss their earnings openly ,which would mean all players at Man City are on £330,000 a week ? ,wages are earnt (even in Football ) AB doesn`t ask CD what you getting and then run to the boss for a rise ,these things are all kept quiete sshhh !. UTA[/p][/quote]Agreed Tug, those things are kept quiet, but today we are reading about Ward and the 10K limit compared to the 13K demand, so Bruno and Calde don't have to ask anyone, it's in the public domain. The new left back breaks the wage cap and the right backs don't consider this when negotiating their own new contracts, really? Tug it's like raising the minimum wage, if you pay the bus boys more money those above them want more to maintain their differential. If Calde and Bruno are on say, 7K a week, and I have no idea if they are, is Ward 6K better in terms of performance? Everyone says that money talks, that players are only in it for their own bank balance, if that is true, why wouldn't our right backs want more if Ward breaks the ceiling? VegasSeagull
  • Score: 2

6:52pm Wed 25 Jun 14

tug509 says...

As for Ini ,he is one of us for life ,i would consider it a disgrace and an insult if we didn`t retain this man at our Great club in one shape or another ,i would at least give him another season ,and ask him very politely to take a coaches role after ,omo but it`s a bloody good one . UTA
As for Ini ,he is one of us for life ,i would consider it a disgrace and an insult if we didn`t retain this man at our Great club in one shape or another ,i would at least give him another season ,and ask him very politely to take a coaches role after ,omo but it`s a bloody good one . UTA tug509
  • Score: 1

6:57pm Wed 25 Jun 14

AlfieT says...

tug509 wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
tug509 wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
I have no idea what Calde and Bruno are paid, but they know, and both are about to negotiate a new contracts, raise the max pay ceiling to accomodate one and you have to look at what the effect is on others, even if they are not on max pay. If I am a player making 3K less than the max, do I now want an extra 3K a week to maitain parity before I sign my new contract?
No ,come on Vegas ,by your way of thinking all players discuss their earnings openly ,which would mean all players at Man City are on £330,000 a week ? ,wages are earnt (even in Football ) AB doesn`t ask CD what you getting and then run to the boss for a rise ,these things are all kept quiete sshhh !. UTA
Lol the point about caldi and Bruno is would they get better money else where?? In my mind they would struggle at most clubs to get a deal on really top money, maybe a Div 1 side possibly ..... But reality is they probably have been offered less than they were on last season.
And you know this how ?.
Read it again, he is surmising, not quoting a statement of fact.
[quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: I have no idea what Calde and Bruno are paid, but they know, and both are about to negotiate a new contracts, raise the max pay ceiling to accomodate one and you have to look at what the effect is on others, even if they are not on max pay. If I am a player making 3K less than the max, do I now want an extra 3K a week to maitain parity before I sign my new contract?[/p][/quote]No ,come on Vegas ,by your way of thinking all players discuss their earnings openly ,which would mean all players at Man City are on £330,000 a week ? ,wages are earnt (even in Football ) AB doesn`t ask CD what you getting and then run to the boss for a rise ,these things are all kept quiete sshhh !. UTA[/p][/quote]Lol the point about caldi and Bruno is would they get better money else where?? In my mind they would struggle at most clubs to get a deal on really top money, maybe a Div 1 side possibly ..... But reality is they probably have been offered less than they were on last season.[/p][/quote]And you know this how ?.[/p][/quote]Read it again, he is surmising, not quoting a statement of fact. AlfieT
  • Score: 3

6:58pm Wed 25 Jun 14

mark by the sea says...

tug509 wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
tug509 wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
I have no idea what Calde and Bruno are paid, but they know, and both are about to negotiate a new contracts, raise the max pay ceiling to accomodate one and you have to look at what the effect is on others, even if they are not on max pay. If I am a player making 3K less than the max, do I now want an extra 3K a week to maitain parity before I sign my new contract?
No ,come on Vegas ,by your way of thinking all players discuss their earnings openly ,which would mean all players at Man City are on £330,000 a week ? ,wages are earnt (even in Football ) AB doesn`t ask CD what you getting and then run to the boss for a rise ,these things are all kept quiete sshhh !. UTA
Lol the point about caldi and Bruno is would they get better money else where?? In my mind they would struggle at most clubs to get a deal on really top money, maybe a Div 1 side possibly ..... But reality is they probably have been offered less than they were on last season.
And you know this how ?.
The club are cutting wages, i don't see either player as in demand from any big spenders... Which leaves the question why pay over the odds on wages?
I think TK was let go because he was on wages far higher than the club want to pay!
[quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: I have no idea what Calde and Bruno are paid, but they know, and both are about to negotiate a new contracts, raise the max pay ceiling to accomodate one and you have to look at what the effect is on others, even if they are not on max pay. If I am a player making 3K less than the max, do I now want an extra 3K a week to maitain parity before I sign my new contract?[/p][/quote]No ,come on Vegas ,by your way of thinking all players discuss their earnings openly ,which would mean all players at Man City are on £330,000 a week ? ,wages are earnt (even in Football ) AB doesn`t ask CD what you getting and then run to the boss for a rise ,these things are all kept quiete sshhh !. UTA[/p][/quote]Lol the point about caldi and Bruno is would they get better money else where?? In my mind they would struggle at most clubs to get a deal on really top money, maybe a Div 1 side possibly ..... But reality is they probably have been offered less than they were on last season.[/p][/quote]And you know this how ?.[/p][/quote]The club are cutting wages, i don't see either player as in demand from any big spenders... Which leaves the question why pay over the odds on wages? I think TK was let go because he was on wages far higher than the club want to pay! mark by the sea
  • Score: 5

7:09pm Wed 25 Jun 14

tug509 says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
tug509 wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
I have no idea what Calde and Bruno are paid, but they know, and both are about to negotiate a new contracts, raise the max pay ceiling to accomodate one and you have to look at what the effect is on others, even if they are not on max pay. If I am a player making 3K less than the max, do I now want an extra 3K a week to maitain parity before I sign my new contract?
No ,come on Vegas ,by your way of thinking all players discuss their earnings openly ,which would mean all players at Man City are on £330,000 a week ? ,wages are earnt (even in Football ) AB doesn`t ask CD what you getting and then run to the boss for a rise ,these things are all kept quiete sshhh !. UTA
Agreed Tug, those things are kept quiet, but today we are reading about Ward and the 10K limit compared to the 13K demand, so Bruno and Calde don't have to ask anyone, it's in the public domain. The new left back breaks the wage cap and the right backs don't consider this when negotiating their own new contracts, really?

Tug it's like raising the minimum wage, if you pay the bus boys more money those above them want more to maintain their differential. If Calde and Bruno are on say, 7K a week, and I have no idea if they are, is Ward 6K better in terms of performance? Everyone says that money talks, that players are only in it for their own bank balance, if that is true, why wouldn't our right backs want more if Ward breaks the ceiling?
Agreed mate ,but are we realy telling all and sundry our wage structure ,if we take "A" on a 3 year deal surely we aren`t dumb enough to let his wages get out publicly ,after all aren`t most signings registered as undisclosed these days ? .
This has been a really good discusion today i think ,because most of us want this guy back in the stripes ,how he gets there is the trick ,personally ,if it were me ,i would pay the extra £3k and tell every bugger he got 10k ,i`m sure SW would go for that , what the eye dont see the heart dont grieve . UTA
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: I have no idea what Calde and Bruno are paid, but they know, and both are about to negotiate a new contracts, raise the max pay ceiling to accomodate one and you have to look at what the effect is on others, even if they are not on max pay. If I am a player making 3K less than the max, do I now want an extra 3K a week to maitain parity before I sign my new contract?[/p][/quote]No ,come on Vegas ,by your way of thinking all players discuss their earnings openly ,which would mean all players at Man City are on £330,000 a week ? ,wages are earnt (even in Football ) AB doesn`t ask CD what you getting and then run to the boss for a rise ,these things are all kept quiete sshhh !. UTA[/p][/quote]Agreed Tug, those things are kept quiet, but today we are reading about Ward and the 10K limit compared to the 13K demand, so Bruno and Calde don't have to ask anyone, it's in the public domain. The new left back breaks the wage cap and the right backs don't consider this when negotiating their own new contracts, really? Tug it's like raising the minimum wage, if you pay the bus boys more money those above them want more to maintain their differential. If Calde and Bruno are on say, 7K a week, and I have no idea if they are, is Ward 6K better in terms of performance? Everyone says that money talks, that players are only in it for their own bank balance, if that is true, why wouldn't our right backs want more if Ward breaks the ceiling?[/p][/quote]Agreed mate ,but are we realy telling all and sundry our wage structure ,if we take "A" on a 3 year deal surely we aren`t dumb enough to let his wages get out publicly ,after all aren`t most signings registered as undisclosed these days ? . This has been a really good discusion today i think ,because most of us want this guy back in the stripes ,how he gets there is the trick ,personally ,if it were me ,i would pay the extra £3k and tell every bugger he got 10k ,i`m sure SW would go for that , what the eye dont see the heart dont grieve . UTA tug509
  • Score: 1

7:11pm Wed 25 Jun 14

mark by the sea says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
tug509 wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
I have no idea what Calde and Bruno are paid, but they know, and both are about to negotiate a new contracts, raise the max pay ceiling to accomodate one and you have to look at what the effect is on others, even if they are not on max pay. If I am a player making 3K less than the max, do I now want an extra 3K a week to maitain parity before I sign my new contract?
No ,come on Vegas ,by your way of thinking all players discuss their earnings openly ,which would mean all players at Man City are on £330,000 a week ? ,wages are earnt (even in Football ) AB doesn`t ask CD what you getting and then run to the boss for a rise ,these things are all kept quiete sshhh !. UTA
Agreed Tug, those things are kept quiet, but today we are reading about Ward and the 10K limit compared to the 13K demand, so Bruno and Calde don't have to ask anyone, it's in the public domain. The new left back breaks the wage cap and the right backs don't consider this when negotiating their own new contracts, really?

Tug it's like raising the minimum wage, if you pay the bus boys more money those above them want more to maintain their differential. If Calde and Bruno are on say, 7K a week, and I have no idea if they are, is Ward 6K better in terms of performance? Everyone says that money talks, that players are only in it for their own bank balance, if that is true, why wouldn't our right backs want more if Ward breaks the ceiling?
Because our right backs would be struggling to find a club in this country!
Ward has a year on 13 k a week, he can sit out his deal at wolves , then walk to another club for 10k next year and collect a tidy signing on fee , that would probably be in the region of 100k so by staying at wolves he can earn 250k more than coming here! As for caldi and Bruno .. I am surprised we have kept both players at there age.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: I have no idea what Calde and Bruno are paid, but they know, and both are about to negotiate a new contracts, raise the max pay ceiling to accomodate one and you have to look at what the effect is on others, even if they are not on max pay. If I am a player making 3K less than the max, do I now want an extra 3K a week to maitain parity before I sign my new contract?[/p][/quote]No ,come on Vegas ,by your way of thinking all players discuss their earnings openly ,which would mean all players at Man City are on £330,000 a week ? ,wages are earnt (even in Football ) AB doesn`t ask CD what you getting and then run to the boss for a rise ,these things are all kept quiete sshhh !. UTA[/p][/quote]Agreed Tug, those things are kept quiet, but today we are reading about Ward and the 10K limit compared to the 13K demand, so Bruno and Calde don't have to ask anyone, it's in the public domain. The new left back breaks the wage cap and the right backs don't consider this when negotiating their own new contracts, really? Tug it's like raising the minimum wage, if you pay the bus boys more money those above them want more to maintain their differential. If Calde and Bruno are on say, 7K a week, and I have no idea if they are, is Ward 6K better in terms of performance? Everyone says that money talks, that players are only in it for their own bank balance, if that is true, why wouldn't our right backs want more if Ward breaks the ceiling?[/p][/quote]Because our right backs would be struggling to find a club in this country! Ward has a year on 13 k a week, he can sit out his deal at wolves , then walk to another club for 10k next year and collect a tidy signing on fee , that would probably be in the region of 100k so by staying at wolves he can earn 250k more than coming here! As for caldi and Bruno .. I am surprised we have kept both players at there age. mark by the sea
  • Score: 0

7:17pm Wed 25 Jun 14

Falmer Wizard says...

No worry`s, within five years we shall have a stream of young players coming out of our training set-up,Simple!
No worry`s, within five years we shall have a stream of young players coming out of our training set-up,Simple! Falmer Wizard
  • Score: -1

7:18pm Wed 25 Jun 14

To baldly go says...

gordongull wrote:
Stephen Ward has a contract which guarantees him £13k a week over the next year
Why would he negotiate himself a deal paying £3k a week less?
There is no way he is coming here, if we don't match what he is getting at Wolves.
He will either find a club willing to pay the £13k, or stay where he is. Whether Wolves want him off their books or not is irrelevant. Ward is holding all the aces.
Correct, Bridge went for more wages, Upson went for more wages, so did Barnes and ElAbd. Ward will not be here next season, Chicksen will step up imo, what we saw of him last season was good and with regular game time will only improve, if Maksi is to figure this season, it could be as a back up at LB and also CB, if not at 23 he needs to be moved on.
I just don't see the money being available to bring in anyone to be honest, depending on how SH sees things we need upwards of 6/7 players, so, at say £500k each to buy plus average wages of about £6k a week, that's £3m on transfers and £2m on wages, the money is all used up imo. If more money had been available the club would have used it last season and OG would still be here. Hope I am wrong and a couple of big names plus a few others come in and we fight again for a top 6 place or better! UTA
[quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: Stephen Ward has a contract which guarantees him £13k a week over the next year Why would he negotiate himself a deal paying £3k a week less? There is no way he is coming here, if we don't match what he is getting at Wolves. He will either find a club willing to pay the £13k, or stay where he is. Whether Wolves want him off their books or not is irrelevant. Ward is holding all the aces.[/p][/quote]Correct, Bridge went for more wages, Upson went for more wages, so did Barnes and ElAbd. Ward will not be here next season, Chicksen will step up imo, what we saw of him last season was good and with regular game time will only improve, if Maksi is to figure this season, it could be as a back up at LB and also CB, if not at 23 he needs to be moved on. I just don't see the money being available to bring in anyone to be honest, depending on how SH sees things we need upwards of 6/7 players, so, at say £500k each to buy plus average wages of about £6k a week, that's £3m on transfers and £2m on wages, the money is all used up imo. If more money had been available the club would have used it last season and OG would still be here. Hope I am wrong and a couple of big names plus a few others come in and we fight again for a top 6 place or better! UTA To baldly go
  • Score: -2

7:33pm Wed 25 Jun 14

mark by the sea says...

To baldly go wrote:
gordongull wrote:
Stephen Ward has a contract which guarantees him £13k a week over the next year
Why would he negotiate himself a deal paying £3k a week less?
There is no way he is coming here, if we don't match what he is getting at Wolves.
He will either find a club willing to pay the £13k, or stay where he is. Whether Wolves want him off their books or not is irrelevant. Ward is holding all the aces.
Correct, Bridge went for more wages, Upson went for more wages, so did Barnes and ElAbd. Ward will not be here next season, Chicksen will step up imo, what we saw of him last season was good and with regular game time will only improve, if Maksi is to figure this season, it could be as a back up at LB and also CB, if not at 23 he needs to be moved on.
I just don't see the money being available to bring in anyone to be honest, depending on how SH sees things we need upwards of 6/7 players, so, at say £500k each to buy plus average wages of about £6k a week, that's £3m on transfers and £2m on wages, the money is all used up imo. If more money had been available the club would have used it last season and OG would still be here. Hope I am wrong and a couple of big names plus a few others come in and we fight again for a top 6 place or better! UTA
£6000 a week? Who you going to get for that?
Who had heard of Stephen ward 12 months ago? And the guy is on twice what you want to pay!
[quote][p][bold]To baldly go[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: Stephen Ward has a contract which guarantees him £13k a week over the next year Why would he negotiate himself a deal paying £3k a week less? There is no way he is coming here, if we don't match what he is getting at Wolves. He will either find a club willing to pay the £13k, or stay where he is. Whether Wolves want him off their books or not is irrelevant. Ward is holding all the aces.[/p][/quote]Correct, Bridge went for more wages, Upson went for more wages, so did Barnes and ElAbd. Ward will not be here next season, Chicksen will step up imo, what we saw of him last season was good and with regular game time will only improve, if Maksi is to figure this season, it could be as a back up at LB and also CB, if not at 23 he needs to be moved on. I just don't see the money being available to bring in anyone to be honest, depending on how SH sees things we need upwards of 6/7 players, so, at say £500k each to buy plus average wages of about £6k a week, that's £3m on transfers and £2m on wages, the money is all used up imo. If more money had been available the club would have used it last season and OG would still be here. Hope I am wrong and a couple of big names plus a few others come in and we fight again for a top 6 place or better! UTA[/p][/quote]£6000 a week? Who you going to get for that? Who had heard of Stephen ward 12 months ago? And the guy is on twice what you want to pay! mark by the sea
  • Score: 0

7:34pm Wed 25 Jun 14

gordongull says...

mark by the sea wrote:
tug509 wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
tug509 wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
I have no idea what Calde and Bruno are paid, but they know, and both are about to negotiate a new contracts, raise the max pay ceiling to accomodate one and you have to look at what the effect is on others, even if they are not on max pay. If I am a player making 3K less than the max, do I now want an extra 3K a week to maitain parity before I sign my new contract?
No ,come on Vegas ,by your way of thinking all players discuss their earnings openly ,which would mean all players at Man City are on £330,000 a week ? ,wages are earnt (even in Football ) AB doesn`t ask CD what you getting and then run to the boss for a rise ,these things are all kept quiete sshhh !. UTA
Lol the point about caldi and Bruno is would they get better money else where?? In my mind they would struggle at most clubs to get a deal on really top money, maybe a Div 1 side possibly ..... But reality is they probably have been offered less than they were on last season.
And you know this how ?.
The club are cutting wages, i don't see either player as in demand from any big spenders... Which leaves the question why pay over the odds on wages?
I think TK was let go because he was on wages far higher than the club want to pay!
Precisely, Mark, and if the right offers came in for Leo, CMS, or Will Buckley, I feel sure that the opportunity would be taken to get their wages off the books.
No player is bigger than FFP, and all the out of contract players will be offered reduced terms. There does not appear to be a queue forming at The Amex to sign any of our players, so it will be on a 'take it or leave it' basis.
Other teams are strengthening, but are probably paying over the odds. The longer we leave it, there will be better deals available, so our resources will go further.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: I have no idea what Calde and Bruno are paid, but they know, and both are about to negotiate a new contracts, raise the max pay ceiling to accomodate one and you have to look at what the effect is on others, even if they are not on max pay. If I am a player making 3K less than the max, do I now want an extra 3K a week to maitain parity before I sign my new contract?[/p][/quote]No ,come on Vegas ,by your way of thinking all players discuss their earnings openly ,which would mean all players at Man City are on £330,000 a week ? ,wages are earnt (even in Football ) AB doesn`t ask CD what you getting and then run to the boss for a rise ,these things are all kept quiete sshhh !. UTA[/p][/quote]Lol the point about caldi and Bruno is would they get better money else where?? In my mind they would struggle at most clubs to get a deal on really top money, maybe a Div 1 side possibly ..... But reality is they probably have been offered less than they were on last season.[/p][/quote]And you know this how ?.[/p][/quote]The club are cutting wages, i don't see either player as in demand from any big spenders... Which leaves the question why pay over the odds on wages? I think TK was let go because he was on wages far higher than the club want to pay![/p][/quote]Precisely, Mark, and if the right offers came in for Leo, CMS, or Will Buckley, I feel sure that the opportunity would be taken to get their wages off the books. No player is bigger than FFP, and all the out of contract players will be offered reduced terms. There does not appear to be a queue forming at The Amex to sign any of our players, so it will be on a 'take it or leave it' basis. Other teams are strengthening, but are probably paying over the odds. The longer we leave it, there will be better deals available, so our resources will go further. gordongull
  • Score: 2

7:36pm Wed 25 Jun 14

Cockwomble says...

mark by the sea wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
tug509 wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
I have no idea what Calde and Bruno are paid, but they know, and both are about to negotiate a new contracts, raise the max pay ceiling to accomodate one and you have to look at what the effect is on others, even if they are not on max pay. If I am a player making 3K less than the max, do I now want an extra 3K a week to maitain parity before I sign my new contract?
No ,come on Vegas ,by your way of thinking all players discuss their earnings openly ,which would mean all players at Man City are on £330,000 a week ? ,wages are earnt (even in Football ) AB doesn`t ask CD what you getting and then run to the boss for a rise ,these things are all kept quiete sshhh !. UTA
Agreed Tug, those things are kept quiet, but today we are reading about Ward and the 10K limit compared to the 13K demand, so Bruno and Calde don't have to ask anyone, it's in the public domain. The new left back breaks the wage cap and the right backs don't consider this when negotiating their own new contracts, really?

Tug it's like raising the minimum wage, if you pay the bus boys more money those above them want more to maintain their differential. If Calde and Bruno are on say, 7K a week, and I have no idea if they are, is Ward 6K better in terms of performance? Everyone says that money talks, that players are only in it for their own bank balance, if that is true, why wouldn't our right backs want more if Ward breaks the ceiling?
Because our right backs would be struggling to find a club in this country!
Ward has a year on 13 k a week, he can sit out his deal at wolves , then walk to another club for 10k next year and collect a tidy signing on fee , that would probably be in the region of 100k so by staying at wolves he can earn 250k more than coming here! As for caldi and Bruno .. I am surprised we have kept both players at there age.
how old are they?
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: I have no idea what Calde and Bruno are paid, but they know, and both are about to negotiate a new contracts, raise the max pay ceiling to accomodate one and you have to look at what the effect is on others, even if they are not on max pay. If I am a player making 3K less than the max, do I now want an extra 3K a week to maitain parity before I sign my new contract?[/p][/quote]No ,come on Vegas ,by your way of thinking all players discuss their earnings openly ,which would mean all players at Man City are on £330,000 a week ? ,wages are earnt (even in Football ) AB doesn`t ask CD what you getting and then run to the boss for a rise ,these things are all kept quiete sshhh !. UTA[/p][/quote]Agreed Tug, those things are kept quiet, but today we are reading about Ward and the 10K limit compared to the 13K demand, so Bruno and Calde don't have to ask anyone, it's in the public domain. The new left back breaks the wage cap and the right backs don't consider this when negotiating their own new contracts, really? Tug it's like raising the minimum wage, if you pay the bus boys more money those above them want more to maintain their differential. If Calde and Bruno are on say, 7K a week, and I have no idea if they are, is Ward 6K better in terms of performance? Everyone says that money talks, that players are only in it for their own bank balance, if that is true, why wouldn't our right backs want more if Ward breaks the ceiling?[/p][/quote]Because our right backs would be struggling to find a club in this country! Ward has a year on 13 k a week, he can sit out his deal at wolves , then walk to another club for 10k next year and collect a tidy signing on fee , that would probably be in the region of 100k so by staying at wolves he can earn 250k more than coming here! As for caldi and Bruno .. I am surprised we have kept both players at there age.[/p][/quote]how old are they? Cockwomble
  • Score: -2

7:37pm Wed 25 Jun 14

Cockwomble says...

mark by the sea wrote:
To baldly go wrote:
gordongull wrote:
Stephen Ward has a contract which guarantees him £13k a week over the next year
Why would he negotiate himself a deal paying £3k a week less?
There is no way he is coming here, if we don't match what he is getting at Wolves.
He will either find a club willing to pay the £13k, or stay where he is. Whether Wolves want him off their books or not is irrelevant. Ward is holding all the aces.
Correct, Bridge went for more wages, Upson went for more wages, so did Barnes and ElAbd. Ward will not be here next season, Chicksen will step up imo, what we saw of him last season was good and with regular game time will only improve, if Maksi is to figure this season, it could be as a back up at LB and also CB, if not at 23 he needs to be moved on.
I just don't see the money being available to bring in anyone to be honest, depending on how SH sees things we need upwards of 6/7 players, so, at say £500k each to buy plus average wages of about £6k a week, that's £3m on transfers and £2m on wages, the money is all used up imo. If more money had been available the club would have used it last season and OG would still be here. Hope I am wrong and a couple of big names plus a few others come in and we fight again for a top 6 place or better! UTA
£6000 a week? Who you going to get for that?
Who had heard of Stephen ward 12 months ago? And the guy is on twice what you want to pay!
i had as he had played in the pl and internationally.hadn
t you really herd of him?
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]To baldly go[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: Stephen Ward has a contract which guarantees him £13k a week over the next year Why would he negotiate himself a deal paying £3k a week less? There is no way he is coming here, if we don't match what he is getting at Wolves. He will either find a club willing to pay the £13k, or stay where he is. Whether Wolves want him off their books or not is irrelevant. Ward is holding all the aces.[/p][/quote]Correct, Bridge went for more wages, Upson went for more wages, so did Barnes and ElAbd. Ward will not be here next season, Chicksen will step up imo, what we saw of him last season was good and with regular game time will only improve, if Maksi is to figure this season, it could be as a back up at LB and also CB, if not at 23 he needs to be moved on. I just don't see the money being available to bring in anyone to be honest, depending on how SH sees things we need upwards of 6/7 players, so, at say £500k each to buy plus average wages of about £6k a week, that's £3m on transfers and £2m on wages, the money is all used up imo. If more money had been available the club would have used it last season and OG would still be here. Hope I am wrong and a couple of big names plus a few others come in and we fight again for a top 6 place or better! UTA[/p][/quote]£6000 a week? Who you going to get for that? Who had heard of Stephen ward 12 months ago? And the guy is on twice what you want to pay![/p][/quote]i had as he had played in the pl and internationally.hadn t you really herd of him? Cockwomble
  • Score: 1

7:39pm Wed 25 Jun 14

Cockwomble says...

i cant see ward wanting to see out his contract in the stiffs.hes been told he has no future at wolves so staying will hurt his career.cockwomble
i cant see ward wanting to see out his contract in the stiffs.hes been told he has no future at wolves so staying will hurt his career.cockwomble Cockwomble
  • Score: -1

7:41pm Wed 25 Jun 14

mark by the sea says...

Cockwomble wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
tug509 wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
I have no idea what Calde and Bruno are paid, but they know, and both are about to negotiate a new contracts, raise the max pay ceiling to accomodate one and you have to look at what the effect is on others, even if they are not on max pay. If I am a player making 3K less than the max, do I now want an extra 3K a week to maitain parity before I sign my new contract?
No ,come on Vegas ,by your way of thinking all players discuss their earnings openly ,which would mean all players at Man City are on £330,000 a week ? ,wages are earnt (even in Football ) AB doesn`t ask CD what you getting and then run to the boss for a rise ,these things are all kept quiete sshhh !. UTA
Agreed Tug, those things are kept quiet, but today we are reading about Ward and the 10K limit compared to the 13K demand, so Bruno and Calde don't have to ask anyone, it's in the public domain. The new left back breaks the wage cap and the right backs don't consider this when negotiating their own new contracts, really?

Tug it's like raising the minimum wage, if you pay the bus boys more money those above them want more to maintain their differential. If Calde and Bruno are on say, 7K a week, and I have no idea if they are, is Ward 6K better in terms of performance? Everyone says that money talks, that players are only in it for their own bank balance, if that is true, why wouldn't our right backs want more if Ward breaks the ceiling?
Because our right backs would be struggling to find a club in this country!
Ward has a year on 13 k a week, he can sit out his deal at wolves , then walk to another club for 10k next year and collect a tidy signing on fee , that would probably be in the region of 100k so by staying at wolves he can earn 250k more than coming here! As for caldi and Bruno .. I am surprised we have kept both players at there age.
how old are they?
Caldi 32 Bruno 34 this year... Hardly going to get a three year deal!
[quote][p][bold]Cockwomble[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: I have no idea what Calde and Bruno are paid, but they know, and both are about to negotiate a new contracts, raise the max pay ceiling to accomodate one and you have to look at what the effect is on others, even if they are not on max pay. If I am a player making 3K less than the max, do I now want an extra 3K a week to maitain parity before I sign my new contract?[/p][/quote]No ,come on Vegas ,by your way of thinking all players discuss their earnings openly ,which would mean all players at Man City are on £330,000 a week ? ,wages are earnt (even in Football ) AB doesn`t ask CD what you getting and then run to the boss for a rise ,these things are all kept quiete sshhh !. UTA[/p][/quote]Agreed Tug, those things are kept quiet, but today we are reading about Ward and the 10K limit compared to the 13K demand, so Bruno and Calde don't have to ask anyone, it's in the public domain. The new left back breaks the wage cap and the right backs don't consider this when negotiating their own new contracts, really? Tug it's like raising the minimum wage, if you pay the bus boys more money those above them want more to maintain their differential. If Calde and Bruno are on say, 7K a week, and I have no idea if they are, is Ward 6K better in terms of performance? Everyone says that money talks, that players are only in it for their own bank balance, if that is true, why wouldn't our right backs want more if Ward breaks the ceiling?[/p][/quote]Because our right backs would be struggling to find a club in this country! Ward has a year on 13 k a week, he can sit out his deal at wolves , then walk to another club for 10k next year and collect a tidy signing on fee , that would probably be in the region of 100k so by staying at wolves he can earn 250k more than coming here! As for caldi and Bruno .. I am surprised we have kept both players at there age.[/p][/quote]how old are they?[/p][/quote]Caldi 32 Bruno 34 this year... Hardly going to get a three year deal! mark by the sea
  • Score: 2

7:45pm Wed 25 Jun 14

Cockwomble says...

but surely worthy of 1-2 year deals.cockwomble
but surely worthy of 1-2 year deals.cockwomble Cockwomble
  • Score: 1

7:45pm Wed 25 Jun 14

tug509 says...

dinobha wrote:
tug509 wrote:
Hi Dave ,if the only problem is wages ,surely it makes sense to pay in this case ,i think SW only missed a couple of games all last season ,and was solid throughout ,so the extra reported £3,000 would be easily justifiable when taken in context with what surely must be a lower end fee to Wolves . If the problem is with Wolves asking price then that is nonsensical on their part ,with 1 year left on his contract ,and everyone knowing that want rid ,they are not going to command a big fee ,even if more than one other club is looking at him ,he has a say ,and personally ,given his experience and commitment to us last season not to mention his ever prescence ,i would see him as a good buy if we paid £350/400,000 to strengthen our back 5 .
Again players of his standard and for that sort of price ,dont grow on trees . UTA
All speculation, rumour and guesswork. No one knows the real story until the player says something in public. Until then sit back and relax, if he wants to come then I'm sure BHA can make it happen but if he wants to get the best deal possible he will be off somewhere else and we will start the season with somebody else at left back. Last year we were all suicidal at Wayne Bridges departure and he ended up being a passenger for Reading. Que sera sera!
C`mon lets here your contribution ,show us your insight ,share your your source`s , of course it`s speculation rumour and guesswork you bloody imbecile ,if it wasn`t there wouldn`t be a discussion would there ? ,the entire point of this site is/should be for every one to have an opinion ,the facts are few and far between ,if they weren`t it would be a statement not a forum for debate . UTA
[quote][p][bold]dinobha[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: Hi Dave ,if the only problem is wages ,surely it makes sense to pay in this case ,i think SW only missed a couple of games all last season ,and was solid throughout ,so the extra reported £3,000 would be easily justifiable when taken in context with what surely must be a lower end fee to Wolves . If the problem is with Wolves asking price then that is nonsensical on their part ,with 1 year left on his contract ,and everyone knowing that want rid ,they are not going to command a big fee ,even if more than one other club is looking at him ,he has a say ,and personally ,given his experience and commitment to us last season not to mention his ever prescence ,i would see him as a good buy if we paid £350/400,000 to strengthen our back 5 . Again players of his standard and for that sort of price ,dont grow on trees . UTA[/p][/quote]All speculation, rumour and guesswork. No one knows the real story until the player says something in public. Until then sit back and relax, if he wants to come then I'm sure BHA can make it happen but if he wants to get the best deal possible he will be off somewhere else and we will start the season with somebody else at left back. Last year we were all suicidal at Wayne Bridges departure and he ended up being a passenger for Reading. Que sera sera![/p][/quote]C`mon lets here your contribution ,show us your insight ,share your your source`s , of course it`s speculation rumour and guesswork you bloody imbecile ,if it wasn`t there wouldn`t be a discussion would there ? ,the entire point of this site is/should be for every one to have an opinion ,the facts are few and far between ,if they weren`t it would be a statement not a forum for debate . UTA tug509
  • Score: 0

7:47pm Wed 25 Jun 14

ringtone says...

I am amazed that this thread, about a average journeyman player has got over 80 posts.

I guess it shows how far we have fallen, sad.
I am amazed that this thread, about a average journeyman player has got over 80 posts. I guess it shows how far we have fallen, sad. ringtone
  • Score: -2

7:49pm Wed 25 Jun 14

mark by the sea says...

Cockwomble wrote:
but surely worthy of 1-2 year deals.cockwomble
What both? Why right back is our weakest position defensively !!
[quote][p][bold]Cockwomble[/bold] wrote: but surely worthy of 1-2 year deals.cockwomble[/p][/quote]What both? Why right back is our weakest position defensively !! mark by the sea
  • Score: 3

7:51pm Wed 25 Jun 14

Neville says...

Falmer Wizard
Yes that may be so in 5 years time by which time we may well be back in Div One with 10000 crowds. FFP is important yes but there has to be a balance,fans won't accept money not being spent on some players.
Falmer Wizard Yes that may be so in 5 years time by which time we may well be back in Div One with 10000 crowds. FFP is important yes but there has to be a balance,fans won't accept money not being spent on some players. Neville
  • Score: 1

7:51pm Wed 25 Jun 14

Max Ripple says...

I'm sorry. He may be a good defender but £676k a year wages for him alone!
We are a championship club trying to comply with FFP for Petes sake. 28 squad members on even £10k a week is a wage bill of £14.5 million per year.
23 home games on an average £30 per ticket x 25,000 seats = £17.25 million. There's not a lot left to pay all the other costs. I know there is sponsorship etc but can we just try to be realistic and keep our club alive!
I'm sorry. He may be a good defender but £676k a year wages for him alone! We are a championship club trying to comply with FFP for Petes sake. 28 squad members on even £10k a week is a wage bill of £14.5 million per year. 23 home games on an average £30 per ticket x 25,000 seats = £17.25 million. There's not a lot left to pay all the other costs. I know there is sponsorship etc but can we just try to be realistic and keep our club alive! Max Ripple
  • Score: 7

7:53pm Wed 25 Jun 14

Cockwomble says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Cockwomble wrote:
but surely worthy of 1-2 year deals.cockwomble
What both? Why right back is our weakest position defensively !!
both looked good to me.defensively short maybs but good attackingness.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cockwomble[/bold] wrote: but surely worthy of 1-2 year deals.cockwomble[/p][/quote]What both? Why right back is our weakest position defensively !![/p][/quote]both looked good to me.defensively short maybs but good attackingness. Cockwomble
  • Score: -2

8:01pm Wed 25 Jun 14

tug509 says...

Max Ripple wrote:
I'm sorry. He may be a good defender but £676k a year wages for him alone!
We are a championship club trying to comply with FFP for Petes sake. 28 squad members on even £10k a week is a wage bill of £14.5 million per year.
23 home games on an average £30 per ticket x 25,000 seats = £17.25 million. There's not a lot left to pay all the other costs. I know there is sponsorship etc but can we just try to be realistic and keep our club alive!
What the heck are you on ???.
[quote][p][bold]Max Ripple[/bold] wrote: I'm sorry. He may be a good defender but £676k a year wages for him alone! We are a championship club trying to comply with FFP for Petes sake. 28 squad members on even £10k a week is a wage bill of £14.5 million per year. 23 home games on an average £30 per ticket x 25,000 seats = £17.25 million. There's not a lot left to pay all the other costs. I know there is sponsorship etc but can we just try to be realistic and keep our club alive![/p][/quote]What the heck are you on ???. tug509
  • Score: -7

8:03pm Wed 25 Jun 14

tug509 says...

tug509 wrote:
Max Ripple wrote:
I'm sorry. He may be a good defender but £676k a year wages for him alone!
We are a championship club trying to comply with FFP for Petes sake. 28 squad members on even £10k a week is a wage bill of £14.5 million per year.
23 home games on an average £30 per ticket x 25,000 seats = £17.25 million. There's not a lot left to pay all the other costs. I know there is sponsorship etc but can we just try to be realistic and keep our club alive!
What the heck are you on ???.
Sorry i take it back ,no excuse my maths were poor .
[quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Max Ripple[/bold] wrote: I'm sorry. He may be a good defender but £676k a year wages for him alone! We are a championship club trying to comply with FFP for Petes sake. 28 squad members on even £10k a week is a wage bill of £14.5 million per year. 23 home games on an average £30 per ticket x 25,000 seats = £17.25 million. There's not a lot left to pay all the other costs. I know there is sponsorship etc but can we just try to be realistic and keep our club alive![/p][/quote]What the heck are you on ???.[/p][/quote]Sorry i take it back ,no excuse my maths were poor . tug509
  • Score: 0

8:07pm Wed 25 Jun 14

tug509 says...

ringtone wrote:
I am amazed that this thread, about a average journeyman player has got over 80 posts.

I guess it shows how far we have fallen, sad.
Hey ringy ,the entertainments arrived !.
[quote][p][bold]ringtone[/bold] wrote: I am amazed that this thread, about a average journeyman player has got over 80 posts. I guess it shows how far we have fallen, sad.[/p][/quote]Hey ringy ,the entertainments arrived !. tug509
  • Score: -2

8:09pm Wed 25 Jun 14

challster says...

Personally, ward came to us to resurrect his chances of playing in the national team.. Ireland. A player who plays for club and country. From what I'm hearing from Mr. Rednapp it's a pity that isn't shared by all pro players. Ward is a shining example of a bloody good player. Brighton should sign him and yes pay a bit more if necessay, the reason? For ward, it's not just about the money! I'm sure the suits will make the right decision with advice (of course) from our new manager. I look forward to seeing ward back in the blue and white when 2014-15 kicks off!
Personally, ward came to us to resurrect his chances of playing in the national team.. Ireland. A player who plays for club and country. From what I'm hearing from Mr. Rednapp it's a pity that isn't shared by all pro players. Ward is a shining example of a bloody good player. Brighton should sign him and yes pay a bit more if necessay, the reason? For ward, it's not just about the money! I'm sure the suits will make the right decision with advice (of course) from our new manager. I look forward to seeing ward back in the blue and white when 2014-15 kicks off! challster
  • Score: 5

8:10pm Wed 25 Jun 14

To baldly go says...

mark by the sea wrote:
To baldly go wrote:
gordongull wrote:
Stephen Ward has a contract which guarantees him £13k a week over the next year
Why would he negotiate himself a deal paying £3k a week less?
There is no way he is coming here, if we don't match what he is getting at Wolves.
He will either find a club willing to pay the £13k, or stay where he is. Whether Wolves want him off their books or not is irrelevant. Ward is holding all the aces.
Correct, Bridge went for more wages, Upson went for more wages, so did Barnes and ElAbd. Ward will not be here next season, Chicksen will step up imo, what we saw of him last season was good and with regular game time will only improve, if Maksi is to figure this season, it could be as a back up at LB and also CB, if not at 23 he needs to be moved on.
I just don't see the money being available to bring in anyone to be honest, depending on how SH sees things we need upwards of 6/7 players, so, at say £500k each to buy plus average wages of about £6k a week, that's £3m on transfers and £2m on wages, the money is all used up imo. If more money had been available the club would have used it last season and OG would still be here. Hope I am wrong and a couple of big names plus a few others come in and we fight again for a top 6 place or better! UTA
£6000 a week? Who you going to get for that?
Who had heard of Stephen ward 12 months ago? And the guy is on twice what you want to pay!
Exactly Mark, if we are not prepared to pay more money, we won't get quality players! Add the cost of purchases and wages to the wages of who we already have on the books and we are skint but within FFP rules, but it's a two edged sword, entertainment value will drop so will attendances, a half empty stadium and no atmosphere.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]To baldly go[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: Stephen Ward has a contract which guarantees him £13k a week over the next year Why would he negotiate himself a deal paying £3k a week less? There is no way he is coming here, if we don't match what he is getting at Wolves. He will either find a club willing to pay the £13k, or stay where he is. Whether Wolves want him off their books or not is irrelevant. Ward is holding all the aces.[/p][/quote]Correct, Bridge went for more wages, Upson went for more wages, so did Barnes and ElAbd. Ward will not be here next season, Chicksen will step up imo, what we saw of him last season was good and with regular game time will only improve, if Maksi is to figure this season, it could be as a back up at LB and also CB, if not at 23 he needs to be moved on. I just don't see the money being available to bring in anyone to be honest, depending on how SH sees things we need upwards of 6/7 players, so, at say £500k each to buy plus average wages of about £6k a week, that's £3m on transfers and £2m on wages, the money is all used up imo. If more money had been available the club would have used it last season and OG would still be here. Hope I am wrong and a couple of big names plus a few others come in and we fight again for a top 6 place or better! UTA[/p][/quote]£6000 a week? Who you going to get for that? Who had heard of Stephen ward 12 months ago? And the guy is on twice what you want to pay![/p][/quote]Exactly Mark, if we are not prepared to pay more money, we won't get quality players! Add the cost of purchases and wages to the wages of who we already have on the books and we are skint but within FFP rules, but it's a two edged sword, entertainment value will drop so will attendances, a half empty stadium and no atmosphere. To baldly go
  • Score: -2

8:17pm Wed 25 Jun 14

Joel'sGrandad says...

I really don't have the foggiest what is going to happen here.
But I reckon TB is playing hardball to get his man. Wolves want Wardie off their books and the longer it goes on the more it will cost them.
Therefore I have a feeling we will get him for free either now or next pre-season after another season long loan.
It depends on whether our target wants the money or realises how good we were for him (and him for us) last season.
It shouldn't be all about the money and I hope it isn't but it could all come down to him being chased by a club with those confounded parachute payments. UTA
I really don't have the foggiest what is going to happen here. But I reckon TB is playing hardball to get his man. Wolves want Wardie off their books and the longer it goes on the more it will cost them. Therefore I have a feeling we will get him for free either now or next pre-season after another season long loan. It depends on whether our target wants the money or realises how good we were for him (and him for us) last season. It shouldn't be all about the money and I hope it isn't but it could all come down to him being chased by a club with those confounded parachute payments. UTA Joel'sGrandad
  • Score: 3

8:43pm Wed 25 Jun 14

mark by the sea says...

Joel'sGrandad wrote:
I really don't have the foggiest what is going to happen here.
But I reckon TB is playing hardball to get his man. Wolves want Wardie off their books and the longer it goes on the more it will cost them.
Therefore I have a feeling we will get him for free either now or next pre-season after another season long loan.
It depends on whether our target wants the money or realises how good we were for him (and him for us) last season.
It shouldn't be all about the money and I hope it isn't but it could all come down to him being chased by a club with those confounded parachute payments. UTA
There is no free players, if ward goes out of contract, he will demand a decent signing fee.. If they get paid 12k a week then three months wages as a moving fee is more than likely ... So 100k is basically nothing in the world of football.
[quote][p][bold]Joel'sGrandad[/bold] wrote: I really don't have the foggiest what is going to happen here. But I reckon TB is playing hardball to get his man. Wolves want Wardie off their books and the longer it goes on the more it will cost them. Therefore I have a feeling we will get him for free either now or next pre-season after another season long loan. It depends on whether our target wants the money or realises how good we were for him (and him for us) last season. It shouldn't be all about the money and I hope it isn't but it could all come down to him being chased by a club with those confounded parachute payments. UTA[/p][/quote]There is no free players, if ward goes out of contract, he will demand a decent signing fee.. If they get paid 12k a week then three months wages as a moving fee is more than likely ... So 100k is basically nothing in the world of football. mark by the sea
  • Score: 1

9:39pm Wed 25 Jun 14

Max Ripple says...

tug509 wrote:
tug509 wrote:
Max Ripple wrote:
I'm sorry. He may be a good defender but £676k a year wages for him alone!
We are a championship club trying to comply with FFP for Petes sake. 28 squad members on even £10k a week is a wage bill of £14.5 million per year.
23 home games on an average £30 per ticket x 25,000 seats = £17.25 million. There's not a lot left to pay all the other costs. I know there is sponsorship etc but can we just try to be realistic and keep our club alive!
What the heck are you on ???.
Sorry i take it back ,no excuse my maths were poor .
Cheers Tug. I did work it out with a pencil. As the proctologist said.....
[quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Max Ripple[/bold] wrote: I'm sorry. He may be a good defender but £676k a year wages for him alone! We are a championship club trying to comply with FFP for Petes sake. 28 squad members on even £10k a week is a wage bill of £14.5 million per year. 23 home games on an average £30 per ticket x 25,000 seats = £17.25 million. There's not a lot left to pay all the other costs. I know there is sponsorship etc but can we just try to be realistic and keep our club alive![/p][/quote]What the heck are you on ???.[/p][/quote]Sorry i take it back ,no excuse my maths were poor .[/p][/quote]Cheers Tug. I did work it out with a pencil. As the proctologist said..... Max Ripple
  • Score: 1

9:43pm Wed 25 Jun 14

tug509 says...

Just a thought ,The Mighty Leeds Utd as were in the 70s and they were Mighty ,won the league in 73/4 with only 17 players used all season ,makes you think ! ,Vegas suggested a smaller squad and as i recall got a few votes for ,myself being one ,it may be a good argument for a more centered side ,less players of higher quality as apposed to a bigger squad with the same size budget but not the same ability.

We have and will have some lads coming through the system ,great for the future but not for the present , we have (dam this is getting painful ) a tried tested and loved guy here in SW ,if we start turning family away ,who ARE we going to take ??. UTA
Just a thought ,The Mighty Leeds Utd as were in the 70s and they were Mighty ,won the league in 73/4 with only 17 players used all season ,makes you think ! ,Vegas suggested a smaller squad and as i recall got a few votes for ,myself being one ,it may be a good argument for a more centered side ,less players of higher quality as apposed to a bigger squad with the same size budget but not the same ability. We have and will have some lads coming through the system ,great for the future but not for the present , we have (dam this is getting painful ) a tried tested and loved guy here in SW ,if we start turning family away ,who ARE we going to take ??. UTA tug509
  • Score: -2

9:47pm Wed 25 Jun 14

tug509 says...

Max Ripple wrote:
tug509 wrote:
tug509 wrote:
Max Ripple wrote:
I'm sorry. He may be a good defender but £676k a year wages for him alone!
We are a championship club trying to comply with FFP for Petes sake. 28 squad members on even £10k a week is a wage bill of £14.5 million per year.
23 home games on an average £30 per ticket x 25,000 seats = £17.25 million. There's not a lot left to pay all the other costs. I know there is sponsorship etc but can we just try to be realistic and keep our club alive!
What the heck are you on ???.
Sorry i take it back ,no excuse my maths were poor .
Cheers Tug. I did work it out with a pencil. As the proctologist said.....
Your a diamond for forgiving an idiot ,cheers mate . UTA
[quote][p][bold]Max Ripple[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Max Ripple[/bold] wrote: I'm sorry. He may be a good defender but £676k a year wages for him alone! We are a championship club trying to comply with FFP for Petes sake. 28 squad members on even £10k a week is a wage bill of £14.5 million per year. 23 home games on an average £30 per ticket x 25,000 seats = £17.25 million. There's not a lot left to pay all the other costs. I know there is sponsorship etc but can we just try to be realistic and keep our club alive![/p][/quote]What the heck are you on ???.[/p][/quote]Sorry i take it back ,no excuse my maths were poor .[/p][/quote]Cheers Tug. I did work it out with a pencil. As the proctologist said.....[/p][/quote]Your a diamond for forgiving an idiot ,cheers mate . UTA tug509
  • Score: 0

10:43pm Wed 25 Jun 14

mark by the sea says...

tug509 wrote:
Just a thought ,The Mighty Leeds Utd as were in the 70s and they were Mighty ,won the league in 73/4 with only 17 players used all season ,makes you think ! ,Vegas suggested a smaller squad and as i recall got a few votes for ,myself being one ,it may be a good argument for a more centered side ,less players of higher quality as apposed to a bigger squad with the same size budget but not the same ability.

We have and will have some lads coming through the system ,great for the future but not for the present , we have (dam this is getting painful ) a tried tested and loved guy here in SW ,if we start turning family away ,who ARE we going to take ??. UTA
Yes think it was two subs in those days , one point for a draw, two for a win, we would be in the premiership on that!
Squad of 24 - 25 is now needed,mew can't name 15 as of tonight!
[quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: Just a thought ,The Mighty Leeds Utd as were in the 70s and they were Mighty ,won the league in 73/4 with only 17 players used all season ,makes you think ! ,Vegas suggested a smaller squad and as i recall got a few votes for ,myself being one ,it may be a good argument for a more centered side ,less players of higher quality as apposed to a bigger squad with the same size budget but not the same ability. We have and will have some lads coming through the system ,great for the future but not for the present , we have (dam this is getting painful ) a tried tested and loved guy here in SW ,if we start turning family away ,who ARE we going to take ??. UTA[/p][/quote]Yes think it was two subs in those days , one point for a draw, two for a win, we would be in the premiership on that! Squad of 24 - 25 is now needed,mew can't name 15 as of tonight! mark by the sea
  • Score: 4

10:44pm Wed 25 Jun 14

mark by the sea says...

99
99 mark by the sea
  • Score: -1

10:44pm Wed 25 Jun 14

mark by the sea says...

Onnnneeee hunnnndred!
Onnnneeee hunnnndred! mark by the sea
  • Score: -1

11:09pm Wed 25 Jun 14

VegasSeagull says...

Yep last season we had about 28 players in the squad and with all the injuries we needed them. Myabe this season we can do what we do with 25 in the squad, but we will have to watch the injury list.
Taking just three off the squad total could cut our costs bya figure betwen 12K to 20K a week, depending on who we don't replace. I wonder what Lopez and Bridcutt cost in wages, one has been replaced already by Ince and when Crofts comes back so has the other.
Yep last season we had about 28 players in the squad and with all the injuries we needed them. Myabe this season we can do what we do with 25 in the squad, but we will have to watch the injury list. Taking just three off the squad total could cut our costs bya figure betwen 12K to 20K a week, depending on who we don't replace. I wonder what Lopez and Bridcutt cost in wages, one has been replaced already by Ince and when Crofts comes back so has the other. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 4

11:53pm Wed 25 Jun 14

brighton bluenose says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
tug509 wrote:
Hi Vegas ,

on first view everything you say is ,as usual correct ,but not all our players are on the same wage ,it will vary ,and the true figures are never bandied about ,we might guess ,but thats all it will be . If we were sensible and paid the extra £3k a week ,we dont just get a great and reliable lad ,Sammi gets another experienced confidante to help bring any new lads up to speed ,he was with us during the building of the new training facilities and must know every inch of our set up ,this is worth a lot to the club straight away .

Of course we cant throw money here and there ,but if you pay one lad £13k a week and another £7k that is still inside the pay structure ,only a fool (not aimed at an individual) would say there is no flexibility ,if this is the case ,anyone can do that ,so why have the money men to state a prerequisite ?.

Surely Vegas if we had 5 out of the 28 that were on an extra £3k a week totalling £750,000 a year above our wage structure ,i would make several points on this ,the first ,you said recently yourself ,you think we could/should/might reduce the squad size which i agreed with ,and would save money ,secondly if the 5 players on higher wages were of a higher quality then it is worth it ,provided we make that money back ,i would suggest using both points to achieve this : if we are targetting 9 players for instance ,i would rather we bought 7 higher quality at the £3k extra a week ,and sacrifice buying the extra 2 ,this would/should with the money mens skills balance the books ,the out goings would not change ,just how they were used !.

As for any loans ,i would hope that NO other club is privvy to our wage structure or policy ,hence should`nt have an effect i hope . Again i point out ,i do not support a free for all with any monies we have at our dispossal ,i do believe they are flexible imho . UTA
Hi Tug.
I completely see where you are coming from, and your thoughts do seem reasonable, but I beg to differ here and there. Yes some players are on less money, not all get the max our pay structure allows, but there are reasons for that.
I would guess that Stephens is not on the max payout, not at this time, and that Ulloa is, but to say that the money we are not paying Stephens should go to another, doesn't work. If we were to take this approach it's like saying, because we are not paying out 10K a week to all players, we must be within our wage structure, but how can that be.

Our budget, one would think, is on the basis of wages for ability, those at the top get the highest wages, those coming thru get less, the numbers would have been calculated on this basis. If we take what we are not paying to Stephens, and then give that to another, what happens when Stephens is worth more, the money to pay him more would have been spent. It was reported that we paid 10K a week toward the wages of Wayne Bridge, would they have not wanted 13K if they could have got it.

The pay structure, and the money set aside for pay, allows for increases for those that improve their game, but if that money has gone into another's pocket, well you can only spend the money once, when it's gone it's gone, or you increase your budget.

I don't think it's right to look at just one player, an extra 3K a week to Ward on the face of it is nothing, but it has a knock on effect. If we are to break our pay structure, run the risk of others both in and out of the club wanting more, then do it for Ulloa, if that is what it takes to keep him, and as good as Ward is, I would rathr keep Leo if it meant that we lost Ward.

A pay structure is a pay structure, you either have one or you don't, but if you do, then you must stick to it, if you don't what's the point in having one.
Sorry but that is a very confused post - of course the money within the overall budget that we are not paying Stephens goes to another player that's EXACTLY how budgets work! Stephens, as per your example, will be signed on a salary package over three seasons and the club will budget that salary for that period - if he improves and deserves a higher salary at the end (or towards the end) of his contract then either the budget will be increased overall or another player may be released or offered reduced terms!!
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: Hi Vegas , on first view everything you say is ,as usual correct ,but not all our players are on the same wage ,it will vary ,and the true figures are never bandied about ,we might guess ,but thats all it will be . If we were sensible and paid the extra £3k a week ,we dont just get a great and reliable lad ,Sammi gets another experienced confidante to help bring any new lads up to speed ,he was with us during the building of the new training facilities and must know every inch of our set up ,this is worth a lot to the club straight away . Of course we cant throw money here and there ,but if you pay one lad £13k a week and another £7k that is still inside the pay structure ,only a fool (not aimed at an individual) would say there is no flexibility ,if this is the case ,anyone can do that ,so why have the money men to state a prerequisite ?. Surely Vegas if we had 5 out of the 28 that were on an extra £3k a week totalling £750,000 a year above our wage structure ,i would make several points on this ,the first ,you said recently yourself ,you think we could/should/might reduce the squad size which i agreed with ,and would save money ,secondly if the 5 players on higher wages were of a higher quality then it is worth it ,provided we make that money back ,i would suggest using both points to achieve this : if we are targetting 9 players for instance ,i would rather we bought 7 higher quality at the £3k extra a week ,and sacrifice buying the extra 2 ,this would/should with the money mens skills balance the books ,the out goings would not change ,just how they were used !. As for any loans ,i would hope that NO other club is privvy to our wage structure or policy ,hence should`nt have an effect i hope . Again i point out ,i do not support a free for all with any monies we have at our dispossal ,i do believe they are flexible imho . UTA[/p][/quote]Hi Tug. I completely see where you are coming from, and your thoughts do seem reasonable, but I beg to differ here and there. Yes some players are on less money, not all get the max our pay structure allows, but there are reasons for that. I would guess that Stephens is not on the max payout, not at this time, and that Ulloa is, but to say that the money we are not paying Stephens should go to another, doesn't work. If we were to take this approach it's like saying, because we are not paying out 10K a week to all players, we must be within our wage structure, but how can that be. Our budget, one would think, is on the basis of wages for ability, those at the top get the highest wages, those coming thru get less, the numbers would have been calculated on this basis. If we take what we are not paying to Stephens, and then give that to another, what happens when Stephens is worth more, the money to pay him more would have been spent. It was reported that we paid 10K a week toward the wages of Wayne Bridge, would they have not wanted 13K if they could have got it. The pay structure, and the money set aside for pay, allows for increases for those that improve their game, but if that money has gone into another's pocket, well you can only spend the money once, when it's gone it's gone, or you increase your budget. I don't think it's right to look at just one player, an extra 3K a week to Ward on the face of it is nothing, but it has a knock on effect. If we are to break our pay structure, run the risk of others both in and out of the club wanting more, then do it for Ulloa, if that is what it takes to keep him, and as good as Ward is, I would rathr keep Leo if it meant that we lost Ward. A pay structure is a pay structure, you either have one or you don't, but if you do, then you must stick to it, if you don't what's the point in having one.[/p][/quote]Sorry but that is a very confused post - of course the money within the overall budget that we are not paying Stephens goes to another player that's EXACTLY how budgets work! Stephens, as per your example, will be signed on a salary package over three seasons and the club will budget that salary for that period - if he improves and deserves a higher salary at the end (or towards the end) of his contract then either the budget will be increased overall or another player may be released or offered reduced terms!! brighton bluenose
  • Score: 5

12:07am Thu 26 Jun 14

pablobrowno says...

What a shame we have 90 plus posts here all talking about money. Such a shame what has happened to football.

Burnley have to be a shining example of doing it (success) the other way. It is NOT all about the money, it just helps.
What a shame we have 90 plus posts here all talking about money. Such a shame what has happened to football. Burnley have to be a shining example of doing it (success) the other way. It is NOT all about the money, it just helps. pablobrowno
  • Score: 8

12:08am Thu 26 Jun 14

VegasSeagull says...

brighton bluenose wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
tug509 wrote:
Hi Vegas ,

on first view everything you say is ,as usual correct ,but not all our players are on the same wage ,it will vary ,and the true figures are never bandied about ,we might guess ,but thats all it will be . If we were sensible and paid the extra £3k a week ,we dont just get a great and reliable lad ,Sammi gets another experienced confidante to help bring any new lads up to speed ,he was with us during the building of the new training facilities and must know every inch of our set up ,this is worth a lot to the club straight away .

Of course we cant throw money here and there ,but if you pay one lad £13k a week and another £7k that is still inside the pay structure ,only a fool (not aimed at an individual) would say there is no flexibility ,if this is the case ,anyone can do that ,so why have the money men to state a prerequisite ?.

Surely Vegas if we had 5 out of the 28 that were on an extra £3k a week totalling £750,000 a year above our wage structure ,i would make several points on this ,the first ,you said recently yourself ,you think we could/should/might reduce the squad size which i agreed with ,and would save money ,secondly if the 5 players on higher wages were of a higher quality then it is worth it ,provided we make that money back ,i would suggest using both points to achieve this : if we are targetting 9 players for instance ,i would rather we bought 7 higher quality at the £3k extra a week ,and sacrifice buying the extra 2 ,this would/should with the money mens skills balance the books ,the out goings would not change ,just how they were used !.

As for any loans ,i would hope that NO other club is privvy to our wage structure or policy ,hence should`nt have an effect i hope . Again i point out ,i do not support a free for all with any monies we have at our dispossal ,i do believe they are flexible imho . UTA
Hi Tug.
I completely see where you are coming from, and your thoughts do seem reasonable, but I beg to differ here and there. Yes some players are on less money, not all get the max our pay structure allows, but there are reasons for that.
I would guess that Stephens is not on the max payout, not at this time, and that Ulloa is, but to say that the money we are not paying Stephens should go to another, doesn't work. If we were to take this approach it's like saying, because we are not paying out 10K a week to all players, we must be within our wage structure, but how can that be.

Our budget, one would think, is on the basis of wages for ability, those at the top get the highest wages, those coming thru get less, the numbers would have been calculated on this basis. If we take what we are not paying to Stephens, and then give that to another, what happens when Stephens is worth more, the money to pay him more would have been spent. It was reported that we paid 10K a week toward the wages of Wayne Bridge, would they have not wanted 13K if they could have got it.

The pay structure, and the money set aside for pay, allows for increases for those that improve their game, but if that money has gone into another's pocket, well you can only spend the money once, when it's gone it's gone, or you increase your budget.

I don't think it's right to look at just one player, an extra 3K a week to Ward on the face of it is nothing, but it has a knock on effect. If we are to break our pay structure, run the risk of others both in and out of the club wanting more, then do it for Ulloa, if that is what it takes to keep him, and as good as Ward is, I would rathr keep Leo if it meant that we lost Ward.

A pay structure is a pay structure, you either have one or you don't, but if you do, then you must stick to it, if you don't what's the point in having one.
Sorry but that is a very confused post - of course the money within the overall budget that we are not paying Stephens goes to another player that's EXACTLY how budgets work! Stephens, as per your example, will be signed on a salary package over three seasons and the club will budget that salary for that period - if he improves and deserves a higher salary at the end (or towards the end) of his contract then either the budget will be increased overall or another player may be released or offered reduced terms!!
well your reply confirms what I have said, a budget is a budget, you can only spend it once, and when you have, stop or cut spending or increase the budget. The lasy sentence of your reply is spot on.
[quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: Hi Vegas , on first view everything you say is ,as usual correct ,but not all our players are on the same wage ,it will vary ,and the true figures are never bandied about ,we might guess ,but thats all it will be . If we were sensible and paid the extra £3k a week ,we dont just get a great and reliable lad ,Sammi gets another experienced confidante to help bring any new lads up to speed ,he was with us during the building of the new training facilities and must know every inch of our set up ,this is worth a lot to the club straight away . Of course we cant throw money here and there ,but if you pay one lad £13k a week and another £7k that is still inside the pay structure ,only a fool (not aimed at an individual) would say there is no flexibility ,if this is the case ,anyone can do that ,so why have the money men to state a prerequisite ?. Surely Vegas if we had 5 out of the 28 that were on an extra £3k a week totalling £750,000 a year above our wage structure ,i would make several points on this ,the first ,you said recently yourself ,you think we could/should/might reduce the squad size which i agreed with ,and would save money ,secondly if the 5 players on higher wages were of a higher quality then it is worth it ,provided we make that money back ,i would suggest using both points to achieve this : if we are targetting 9 players for instance ,i would rather we bought 7 higher quality at the £3k extra a week ,and sacrifice buying the extra 2 ,this would/should with the money mens skills balance the books ,the out goings would not change ,just how they were used !. As for any loans ,i would hope that NO other club is privvy to our wage structure or policy ,hence should`nt have an effect i hope . Again i point out ,i do not support a free for all with any monies we have at our dispossal ,i do believe they are flexible imho . UTA[/p][/quote]Hi Tug. I completely see where you are coming from, and your thoughts do seem reasonable, but I beg to differ here and there. Yes some players are on less money, not all get the max our pay structure allows, but there are reasons for that. I would guess that Stephens is not on the max payout, not at this time, and that Ulloa is, but to say that the money we are not paying Stephens should go to another, doesn't work. If we were to take this approach it's like saying, because we are not paying out 10K a week to all players, we must be within our wage structure, but how can that be. Our budget, one would think, is on the basis of wages for ability, those at the top get the highest wages, those coming thru get less, the numbers would have been calculated on this basis. If we take what we are not paying to Stephens, and then give that to another, what happens when Stephens is worth more, the money to pay him more would have been spent. It was reported that we paid 10K a week toward the wages of Wayne Bridge, would they have not wanted 13K if they could have got it. The pay structure, and the money set aside for pay, allows for increases for those that improve their game, but if that money has gone into another's pocket, well you can only spend the money once, when it's gone it's gone, or you increase your budget. I don't think it's right to look at just one player, an extra 3K a week to Ward on the face of it is nothing, but it has a knock on effect. If we are to break our pay structure, run the risk of others both in and out of the club wanting more, then do it for Ulloa, if that is what it takes to keep him, and as good as Ward is, I would rathr keep Leo if it meant that we lost Ward. A pay structure is a pay structure, you either have one or you don't, but if you do, then you must stick to it, if you don't what's the point in having one.[/p][/quote]Sorry but that is a very confused post - of course the money within the overall budget that we are not paying Stephens goes to another player that's EXACTLY how budgets work! Stephens, as per your example, will be signed on a salary package over three seasons and the club will budget that salary for that period - if he improves and deserves a higher salary at the end (or towards the end) of his contract then either the budget will be increased overall or another player may be released or offered reduced terms!![/p][/quote]well your reply confirms what I have said, a budget is a budget, you can only spend it once, and when you have, stop or cut spending or increase the budget. The lasy sentence of your reply is spot on. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 3

12:10am Thu 26 Jun 14

pablobrowno says...

Just to add to the above post. I may have only been in my teens when we had Mike Small and Mr Byrne knocking the goals in, and Mr Walker flying down the left flank to create those very old fashioned 4-4-2 goals, but I don't remember ever having a thought about who was earning what and I didn't hear much about it either! Oh dear what these TV rights have done to our game. 😱
Just to add to the above post. I may have only been in my teens when we had Mike Small and Mr Byrne knocking the goals in, and Mr Walker flying down the left flank to create those very old fashioned 4-4-2 goals, but I don't remember ever having a thought about who was earning what and I didn't hear much about it either! Oh dear what these TV rights have done to our game. 😱 pablobrowno
  • Score: 9

12:12am Thu 26 Jun 14

Cockwomble says...

mark by the sea wrote:
To baldly go wrote:
gordongull wrote:
Stephen Ward has a contract which guarantees him £13k a week over the next year
Why would he negotiate himself a deal paying £3k a week less?
There is no way he is coming here, if we don't match what he is getting at Wolves.
He will either find a club willing to pay the £13k, or stay where he is. Whether Wolves want him off their books or not is irrelevant. Ward is holding all the aces.
Correct, Bridge went for more wages, Upson went for more wages, so did Barnes and ElAbd. Ward will not be here next season, Chicksen will step up imo, what we saw of him last season was good and with regular game time will only improve, if Maksi is to figure this season, it could be as a back up at LB and also CB, if not at 23 he needs to be moved on.
I just don't see the money being available to bring in anyone to be honest, depending on how SH sees things we need upwards of 6/7 players, so, at say £500k each to buy plus average wages of about £6k a week, that's £3m on transfers and £2m on wages, the money is all used up imo. If more money had been available the club would have used it last season and OG would still be here. Hope I am wrong and a couple of big names plus a few others come in and we fight again for a top 6 place or better! UTA
£6000 a week? Who you going to get for that?
Who had heard of Stephen ward 12 months ago? And the guy is on twice what you want to pay!
avergae champ player is on 6k a week according to burke.he should know.cockwomble
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]To baldly go[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: Stephen Ward has a contract which guarantees him £13k a week over the next year Why would he negotiate himself a deal paying £3k a week less? There is no way he is coming here, if we don't match what he is getting at Wolves. He will either find a club willing to pay the £13k, or stay where he is. Whether Wolves want him off their books or not is irrelevant. Ward is holding all the aces.[/p][/quote]Correct, Bridge went for more wages, Upson went for more wages, so did Barnes and ElAbd. Ward will not be here next season, Chicksen will step up imo, what we saw of him last season was good and with regular game time will only improve, if Maksi is to figure this season, it could be as a back up at LB and also CB, if not at 23 he needs to be moved on. I just don't see the money being available to bring in anyone to be honest, depending on how SH sees things we need upwards of 6/7 players, so, at say £500k each to buy plus average wages of about £6k a week, that's £3m on transfers and £2m on wages, the money is all used up imo. If more money had been available the club would have used it last season and OG would still be here. Hope I am wrong and a couple of big names plus a few others come in and we fight again for a top 6 place or better! UTA[/p][/quote]£6000 a week? Who you going to get for that? Who had heard of Stephen ward 12 months ago? And the guy is on twice what you want to pay![/p][/quote]avergae champ player is on 6k a week according to burke.he should know.cockwomble Cockwomble
  • Score: 3

2:02am Thu 26 Jun 14

gordongull says...

pablobrowno wrote:
What a shame we have 90 plus posts here all talking about money. Such a shame what has happened to football.

Burnley have to be a shining example of doing it (success) the other way. It is NOT all about the money, it just helps.
Could Burnley have done it without the £48m they have received in parachute money over the last four seasons?
[quote][p][bold]pablobrowno[/bold] wrote: What a shame we have 90 plus posts here all talking about money. Such a shame what has happened to football. Burnley have to be a shining example of doing it (success) the other way. It is NOT all about the money, it just helps.[/p][/quote]Could Burnley have done it without the £48m they have received in parachute money over the last four seasons? gordongull
  • Score: 4

3:54am Thu 26 Jun 14

mark by the sea says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Yep last season we had about 28 players in the squad and with all the injuries we needed them. Myabe this season we can do what we do with 25 in the squad, but we will have to watch the injury list.
Taking just three off the squad total could cut our costs bya figure betwen 12K to 20K a week, depending on who we don't replace. I wonder what Lopez and Bridcutt cost in wages, one has been replaced already by Ince and when Crofts comes back so has the other.
Players coming back from injury or players not like for like ... Sorry Vegas your assuming we get less injuries next season, while our injuries last year looked awful, fact is for the majority of the time we only had one fit forward,
When we sold elabd that left us with three cetre halves, we just got away with that till Derby in the play offs, imagine had we won the first game? Only to miss promotion because we only had three centre halves?
We will sign one keeper, if he gets injured ... It's rookie Walton or the hopeless reserve we kept..
Please don't try and reinvent the squad system based on a financial saving .
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Yep last season we had about 28 players in the squad and with all the injuries we needed them. Myabe this season we can do what we do with 25 in the squad, but we will have to watch the injury list. Taking just three off the squad total could cut our costs bya figure betwen 12K to 20K a week, depending on who we don't replace. I wonder what Lopez and Bridcutt cost in wages, one has been replaced already by Ince and when Crofts comes back so has the other.[/p][/quote]Players coming back from injury or players not like for like ... Sorry Vegas your assuming we get less injuries next season, while our injuries last year looked awful, fact is for the majority of the time we only had one fit forward, When we sold elabd that left us with three cetre halves, we just got away with that till Derby in the play offs, imagine had we won the first game? Only to miss promotion because we only had three centre halves? We will sign one keeper, if he gets injured ... It's rookie Walton or the hopeless reserve we kept.. Please don't try and reinvent the squad system based on a financial saving . mark by the sea
  • Score: -3

6:26am Thu 26 Jun 14

mark by the sea says...

Cockwomble wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
To baldly go wrote:
gordongull wrote:
Stephen Ward has a contract which guarantees him £13k a week over the next year
Why would he negotiate himself a deal paying £3k a week less?
There is no way he is coming here, if we don't match what he is getting at Wolves.
He will either find a club willing to pay the £13k, or stay where he is. Whether Wolves want him off their books or not is irrelevant. Ward is holding all the aces.
Correct, Bridge went for more wages, Upson went for more wages, so did Barnes and ElAbd. Ward will not be here next season, Chicksen will step up imo, what we saw of him last season was good and with regular game time will only improve, if Maksi is to figure this season, it could be as a back up at LB and also CB, if not at 23 he needs to be moved on.
I just don't see the money being available to bring in anyone to be honest, depending on how SH sees things we need upwards of 6/7 players, so, at say £500k each to buy plus average wages of about £6k a week, that's £3m on transfers and £2m on wages, the money is all used up imo. If more money had been available the club would have used it last season and OG would still be here. Hope I am wrong and a couple of big names plus a few others come in and we fight again for a top 6 place or better! UTA
£6000 a week? Who you going to get for that?
Who had heard of Stephen ward 12 months ago? And the guy is on twice what you want to pay!
avergae champ player is on 6k a week according to burke.he should know.cockwomble
So stephen ward is not a average left back? I dont see a rush to sign him at 100k .. I guess you would rather spend 500k on a disaster like Hoskins and pay him 6k a week, some of you are trying to run a club on the idea players will take a wage cut of 25% just to join us!
Leo ulloa wants away, expect a transfer request Monday .
[quote][p][bold]Cockwomble[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]To baldly go[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: Stephen Ward has a contract which guarantees him £13k a week over the next year Why would he negotiate himself a deal paying £3k a week less? There is no way he is coming here, if we don't match what he is getting at Wolves. He will either find a club willing to pay the £13k, or stay where he is. Whether Wolves want him off their books or not is irrelevant. Ward is holding all the aces.[/p][/quote]Correct, Bridge went for more wages, Upson went for more wages, so did Barnes and ElAbd. Ward will not be here next season, Chicksen will step up imo, what we saw of him last season was good and with regular game time will only improve, if Maksi is to figure this season, it could be as a back up at LB and also CB, if not at 23 he needs to be moved on. I just don't see the money being available to bring in anyone to be honest, depending on how SH sees things we need upwards of 6/7 players, so, at say £500k each to buy plus average wages of about £6k a week, that's £3m on transfers and £2m on wages, the money is all used up imo. If more money had been available the club would have used it last season and OG would still be here. Hope I am wrong and a couple of big names plus a few others come in and we fight again for a top 6 place or better! UTA[/p][/quote]£6000 a week? Who you going to get for that? Who had heard of Stephen ward 12 months ago? And the guy is on twice what you want to pay![/p][/quote]avergae champ player is on 6k a week according to burke.he should know.cockwomble[/p][/quote]So stephen ward is not a average left back? I dont see a rush to sign him at 100k .. I guess you would rather spend 500k on a disaster like Hoskins and pay him 6k a week, some of you are trying to run a club on the idea players will take a wage cut of 25% just to join us! Leo ulloa wants away, expect a transfer request Monday . mark by the sea
  • Score: -2

7:52am Thu 26 Jun 14

Joel'sGrandad says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Joel'sGrandad wrote:
I really don't have the foggiest what is going to happen here.
But I reckon TB is playing hardball to get his man. Wolves want Wardie off their books and the longer it goes on the more it will cost them.
Therefore I have a feeling we will get him for free either now or next pre-season after another season long loan.
It depends on whether our target wants the money or realises how good we were for him (and him for us) last season.
It shouldn't be all about the money and I hope it isn't but it could all come down to him being chased by a club with those confounded parachute payments. UTA
There is no free players, if ward goes out of contract, he will demand a decent signing fee.. If they get paid 12k a week then three months wages as a moving fee is more than likely ... So 100k is basically nothing in the world of football.
Look after the pennies and the pounds look after themselves.
We're on a different planet with football. I suppose it's look after the 100ks and the millions look after themselves.
My point is if we get him for 'free' maybe we'll pay him a reduced weekly wage which is within our pay structure.
Good luck TB. UTA
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Joel'sGrandad[/bold] wrote: I really don't have the foggiest what is going to happen here. But I reckon TB is playing hardball to get his man. Wolves want Wardie off their books and the longer it goes on the more it will cost them. Therefore I have a feeling we will get him for free either now or next pre-season after another season long loan. It depends on whether our target wants the money or realises how good we were for him (and him for us) last season. It shouldn't be all about the money and I hope it isn't but it could all come down to him being chased by a club with those confounded parachute payments. UTA[/p][/quote]There is no free players, if ward goes out of contract, he will demand a decent signing fee.. If they get paid 12k a week then three months wages as a moving fee is more than likely ... So 100k is basically nothing in the world of football.[/p][/quote]Look after the pennies and the pounds look after themselves. We're on a different planet with football. I suppose it's look after the 100ks and the millions look after themselves. My point is if we get him for 'free' maybe we'll pay him a reduced weekly wage which is within our pay structure. Good luck TB. UTA Joel'sGrandad
  • Score: 3

8:17am Thu 26 Jun 14

Cockwomble says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Cockwomble wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
To baldly go wrote:
gordongull wrote:
Stephen Ward has a contract which guarantees him £13k a week over the next year
Why would he negotiate himself a deal paying £3k a week less?
There is no way he is coming here, if we don't match what he is getting at Wolves.
He will either find a club willing to pay the £13k, or stay where he is. Whether Wolves want him off their books or not is irrelevant. Ward is holding all the aces.
Correct, Bridge went for more wages, Upson went for more wages, so did Barnes and ElAbd. Ward will not be here next season, Chicksen will step up imo, what we saw of him last season was good and with regular game time will only improve, if Maksi is to figure this season, it could be as a back up at LB and also CB, if not at 23 he needs to be moved on.
I just don't see the money being available to bring in anyone to be honest, depending on how SH sees things we need upwards of 6/7 players, so, at say £500k each to buy plus average wages of about £6k a week, that's £3m on transfers and £2m on wages, the money is all used up imo. If more money had been available the club would have used it last season and OG would still be here. Hope I am wrong and a couple of big names plus a few others come in and we fight again for a top 6 place or better! UTA
£6000 a week? Who you going to get for that?
Who had heard of Stephen ward 12 months ago? And the guy is on twice what you want to pay!
avergae champ player is on 6k a week according to burke.he should know.cockwomble
So stephen ward is not a average left back? I dont see a rush to sign him at 100k .. I guess you would rather spend 500k on a disaster like Hoskins and pay him 6k a week, some of you are trying to run a club on the idea players will take a wage cut of 25% just to join us!
Leo ulloa wants away, expect a transfer request Monday .
you read an awful lot into a simple statement.all i did was correct you on average wages.are you always this argumentative?cockwo
mble
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cockwomble[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]To baldly go[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: Stephen Ward has a contract which guarantees him £13k a week over the next year Why would he negotiate himself a deal paying £3k a week less? There is no way he is coming here, if we don't match what he is getting at Wolves. He will either find a club willing to pay the £13k, or stay where he is. Whether Wolves want him off their books or not is irrelevant. Ward is holding all the aces.[/p][/quote]Correct, Bridge went for more wages, Upson went for more wages, so did Barnes and ElAbd. Ward will not be here next season, Chicksen will step up imo, what we saw of him last season was good and with regular game time will only improve, if Maksi is to figure this season, it could be as a back up at LB and also CB, if not at 23 he needs to be moved on. I just don't see the money being available to bring in anyone to be honest, depending on how SH sees things we need upwards of 6/7 players, so, at say £500k each to buy plus average wages of about £6k a week, that's £3m on transfers and £2m on wages, the money is all used up imo. If more money had been available the club would have used it last season and OG would still be here. Hope I am wrong and a couple of big names plus a few others come in and we fight again for a top 6 place or better! UTA[/p][/quote]£6000 a week? Who you going to get for that? Who had heard of Stephen ward 12 months ago? And the guy is on twice what you want to pay![/p][/quote]avergae champ player is on 6k a week according to burke.he should know.cockwomble[/p][/quote]So stephen ward is not a average left back? I dont see a rush to sign him at 100k .. I guess you would rather spend 500k on a disaster like Hoskins and pay him 6k a week, some of you are trying to run a club on the idea players will take a wage cut of 25% just to join us! Leo ulloa wants away, expect a transfer request Monday .[/p][/quote]you read an awful lot into a simple statement.all i did was correct you on average wages.are you always this argumentative?cockwo mble Cockwomble
  • Score: 4

9:37am Thu 26 Jun 14

lenward says...

tug509 wrote:
If Wolves wanted a "Modest" six figure sum say £100,000 and we paid £13,000 a week the difference over a year being £150,000 ,where else are we going to get a tried and tested LB that already knows our team for £250,000 ?.
Surely worth the money !. UTA
Yes I agree, but look at the big picture, we are not looking to sign one player it could be up to five and if you raise the wages for one could you do it for all of them. The club may be willing go up a little bit more, but you know how these things, businesses will always employ people for as little as possible Albion are no different.
[quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: If Wolves wanted a "Modest" six figure sum say £100,000 and we paid £13,000 a week the difference over a year being £150,000 ,where else are we going to get a tried and tested LB that already knows our team for £250,000 ?. Surely worth the money !. UTA[/p][/quote]Yes I agree, but look at the big picture, we are not looking to sign one player it could be up to five and if you raise the wages for one could you do it for all of them. The club may be willing go up a little bit more, but you know how these things, businesses will always employ people for as little as possible Albion are no different. lenward
  • Score: 2

10:01am Thu 26 Jun 14

don't wanna do it like that says...

pablobrowno wrote:
Just to add to the above post. I may have only been in my teens when we had Mike Small and Mr Byrne knocking the goals in, and Mr Walker flying down the left flank to create those very old fashioned 4-4-2 goals, but I don't remember ever having a thought about who was earning what and I didn't hear much about it either! Oh dear what these TV rights have done to our game. 😱
The average wage in the championship is 6-8K a week.

Only the ex PL teams and there quite few,pay more thanks to the parachute money.

It is more the Bosman ruling than the tv rights that started the war.

Then you have the PL they do not give a monkey's about the football league.
[quote][p][bold]pablobrowno[/bold] wrote: Just to add to the above post. I may have only been in my teens when we had Mike Small and Mr Byrne knocking the goals in, and Mr Walker flying down the left flank to create those very old fashioned 4-4-2 goals, but I don't remember ever having a thought about who was earning what and I didn't hear much about it either! Oh dear what these TV rights have done to our game. 😱[/p][/quote]The average wage in the championship is 6-8K a week. Only the ex PL teams and there quite few,pay more thanks to the parachute money. It is more the Bosman ruling than the tv rights that started the war. Then you have the PL they do not give a monkey's about the football league. don't wanna do it like that
  • Score: 2

10:43am Thu 26 Jun 14

Captain Haddock says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Hi Guys.
I think Naylor speaks of the, 'modest,' fee by way of making it clear that Wolves are not the problem, and neither is the fee, this is all about a cap on spending. 3K a week above the cap may not seem much, but now add that figure to others that we might bring in, bought or borrowed. If out of a squad of say 28 players just five of them exceed the cap by the same amount, that's 75K a week, over half a million a year above our wage structure limit. What you do for one others will expect you to do for them.

If we agree to the exra 3K a week for Ward, will clubs loaning us their players also want the extra 3K, assuming the player is on good money. If we buy a striker with some proven ablity, will he want the extra 3K, once you step outside your of your pay structure it becomes a slippery slope. Dare I say that this is a product of FFP?
Spot on, Vegas.

The only way to resolve a wage demand issue such as this would be to agree with the player and his agent to pay the £150k x whatever years of the deal by way of (increased) signing on fee so official wage stays at £10k pw.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Hi Guys. I think Naylor speaks of the, 'modest,' fee by way of making it clear that Wolves are not the problem, and neither is the fee, this is all about a cap on spending. 3K a week above the cap may not seem much, but now add that figure to others that we might bring in, bought or borrowed. If out of a squad of say 28 players just five of them exceed the cap by the same amount, that's 75K a week, over half a million a year above our wage structure limit. What you do for one others will expect you to do for them. If we agree to the exra 3K a week for Ward, will clubs loaning us their players also want the extra 3K, assuming the player is on good money. If we buy a striker with some proven ablity, will he want the extra 3K, once you step outside your of your pay structure it becomes a slippery slope. Dare I say that this is a product of FFP?[/p][/quote]Spot on, Vegas. The only way to resolve a wage demand issue such as this would be to agree with the player and his agent to pay the £150k x whatever years of the deal by way of (increased) signing on fee so official wage stays at £10k pw. Captain Haddock
  • Score: 1

11:20am Thu 26 Jun 14

pjwilk says...

It seems that our pay structure is behind the times,we our not going to be able to compete for good quality players that we need to progress.If we cant be a little flexible as with Ward then we will lose out every time.It is all about saving money so we will miss out every time.As i said before we are stagnating and treading water but slowly sinking to a weaker team .None of the Pundits have given us a chance of even making the play-offs in the coming season. We can either go for it and invest or stick rigidly to FFP.We know its just an excuse that the Blues Bros wheel out every time to fob us off.
It seems that our pay structure is behind the times,we our not going to be able to compete for good quality players that we need to progress.If we cant be a little flexible as with Ward then we will lose out every time.It is all about saving money so we will miss out every time.As i said before we are stagnating and treading water but slowly sinking to a weaker team .None of the Pundits have given us a chance of even making the play-offs in the coming season. We can either go for it and invest or stick rigidly to FFP.We know its just an excuse that the Blues Bros wheel out every time to fob us off. pjwilk
  • Score: -3

5:20pm Thu 26 Jun 14

Cockwomble says...

pjwilk wrote:
It seems that our pay structure is behind the times,we our not going to be able to compete for good quality players that we need to progress.If we cant be a little flexible as with Ward then we will lose out every time.It is all about saving money so we will miss out every time.As i said before we are stagnating and treading water but slowly sinking to a weaker team .None of the Pundits have given us a chance of even making the play-offs in the coming season. We can either go for it and invest or stick rigidly to FFP.We know its just an excuse that the Blues Bros wheel out every time to fob us off.
what pundits are taking about the championship 2 months before the season and during a world cup?cockwomble
[quote][p][bold]pjwilk[/bold] wrote: It seems that our pay structure is behind the times,we our not going to be able to compete for good quality players that we need to progress.If we cant be a little flexible as with Ward then we will lose out every time.It is all about saving money so we will miss out every time.As i said before we are stagnating and treading water but slowly sinking to a weaker team .None of the Pundits have given us a chance of even making the play-offs in the coming season. We can either go for it and invest or stick rigidly to FFP.We know its just an excuse that the Blues Bros wheel out every time to fob us off.[/p][/quote]what pundits are taking about the championship 2 months before the season and during a world cup?cockwomble Cockwomble
  • Score: 1

12:00am Fri 27 Jun 14

pte says...

mark by the sea wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
tug509 wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
I have no idea what Calde and Bruno are paid, but they know, and both are about to negotiate a new contracts, raise the max pay ceiling to accomodate one and you have to look at what the effect is on others, even if they are not on max pay. If I am a player making 3K less than the max, do I now want an extra 3K a week to maitain parity before I sign my new contract?
No ,come on Vegas ,by your way of thinking all players discuss their earnings openly ,which would mean all players at Man City are on £330,000 a week ? ,wages are earnt (even in Football ) AB doesn`t ask CD what you getting and then run to the boss for a rise ,these things are all kept quiete sshhh !. UTA
Agreed Tug, those things are kept quiet, but today we are reading about Ward and the 10K limit compared to the 13K demand, so Bruno and Calde don't have to ask anyone, it's in the public domain. The new left back breaks the wage cap and the right backs don't consider this when negotiating their own new contracts, really?

Tug it's like raising the minimum wage, if you pay the bus boys more money those above them want more to maintain their differential. If Calde and Bruno are on say, 7K a week, and I have no idea if they are, is Ward 6K better in terms of performance? Everyone says that money talks, that players are only in it for their own bank balance, if that is true, why wouldn't our right backs want more if Ward breaks the ceiling?
Because our right backs would be struggling to find a club in this country!
Ward has a year on 13 k a week, he can sit out his deal at wolves , then walk to another club for 10k next year and collect a tidy signing on fee , that would probably be in the region of 100k so by staying at wolves he can earn 250k more than coming here! As for caldi and Bruno .. I am surprised we have kept both players at there age.
If both right backs aren't good enough and Sami wants to buy a decent right back his hands are already tied. The club will say we already have 2 right backs, because of FFP we can't afford the luxury of 3

On another subject when was the last time if ever a non British manager won promotion to the Premiership? They come close (Martinez, Zola, Poyet and Rosler) but never quite make it
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: I have no idea what Calde and Bruno are paid, but they know, and both are about to negotiate a new contracts, raise the max pay ceiling to accomodate one and you have to look at what the effect is on others, even if they are not on max pay. If I am a player making 3K less than the max, do I now want an extra 3K a week to maitain parity before I sign my new contract?[/p][/quote]No ,come on Vegas ,by your way of thinking all players discuss their earnings openly ,which would mean all players at Man City are on £330,000 a week ? ,wages are earnt (even in Football ) AB doesn`t ask CD what you getting and then run to the boss for a rise ,these things are all kept quiete sshhh !. UTA[/p][/quote]Agreed Tug, those things are kept quiet, but today we are reading about Ward and the 10K limit compared to the 13K demand, so Bruno and Calde don't have to ask anyone, it's in the public domain. The new left back breaks the wage cap and the right backs don't consider this when negotiating their own new contracts, really? Tug it's like raising the minimum wage, if you pay the bus boys more money those above them want more to maintain their differential. If Calde and Bruno are on say, 7K a week, and I have no idea if they are, is Ward 6K better in terms of performance? Everyone says that money talks, that players are only in it for their own bank balance, if that is true, why wouldn't our right backs want more if Ward breaks the ceiling?[/p][/quote]Because our right backs would be struggling to find a club in this country! Ward has a year on 13 k a week, he can sit out his deal at wolves , then walk to another club for 10k next year and collect a tidy signing on fee , that would probably be in the region of 100k so by staying at wolves he can earn 250k more than coming here! As for caldi and Bruno .. I am surprised we have kept both players at there age.[/p][/quote]If both right backs aren't good enough and Sami wants to buy a decent right back his hands are already tied. The club will say we already have 2 right backs, because of FFP we can't afford the luxury of 3 On another subject when was the last time if ever a non British manager won promotion to the Premiership? They come close (Martinez, Zola, Poyet and Rosler) but never quite make it pte
  • Score: -1

10:56pm Fri 27 Jun 14

Captain Haddock says...

pte wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
tug509 wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
I have no idea what Calde and Bruno are paid, but they know, and both are about to negotiate a new contracts, raise the max pay ceiling to accomodate one and you have to look at what the effect is on others, even if they are not on max pay. If I am a player making 3K less than the max, do I now want an extra 3K a week to maitain parity before I sign my new contract?
No ,come on Vegas ,by your way of thinking all players discuss their earnings openly ,which would mean all players at Man City are on £330,000 a week ? ,wages are earnt (even in Football ) AB doesn`t ask CD what you getting and then run to the boss for a rise ,these things are all kept quiete sshhh !. UTA
Agreed Tug, those things are kept quiet, but today we are reading about Ward and the 10K limit compared to the 13K demand, so Bruno and Calde don't have to ask anyone, it's in the public domain. The new left back breaks the wage cap and the right backs don't consider this when negotiating their own new contracts, really?

Tug it's like raising the minimum wage, if you pay the bus boys more money those above them want more to maintain their differential. If Calde and Bruno are on say, 7K a week, and I have no idea if they are, is Ward 6K better in terms of performance? Everyone says that money talks, that players are only in it for their own bank balance, if that is true, why wouldn't our right backs want more if Ward breaks the ceiling?
Because our right backs would be struggling to find a club in this country!
Ward has a year on 13 k a week, he can sit out his deal at wolves , then walk to another club for 10k next year and collect a tidy signing on fee , that would probably be in the region of 100k so by staying at wolves he can earn 250k more than coming here! As for caldi and Bruno .. I am surprised we have kept both players at there age.
If both right backs aren't good enough and Sami wants to buy a decent right back his hands are already tied. The club will say we already have 2 right backs, because of FFP we can't afford the luxury of 3

On another subject when was the last time if ever a non British manager won promotion to the Premiership? They come close (Martinez, Zola, Poyet and Rosler) but never quite make it
Roberto Di Matteo.
[quote][p][bold]pte[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: I have no idea what Calde and Bruno are paid, but they know, and both are about to negotiate a new contracts, raise the max pay ceiling to accomodate one and you have to look at what the effect is on others, even if they are not on max pay. If I am a player making 3K less than the max, do I now want an extra 3K a week to maitain parity before I sign my new contract?[/p][/quote]No ,come on Vegas ,by your way of thinking all players discuss their earnings openly ,which would mean all players at Man City are on £330,000 a week ? ,wages are earnt (even in Football ) AB doesn`t ask CD what you getting and then run to the boss for a rise ,these things are all kept quiete sshhh !. UTA[/p][/quote]Agreed Tug, those things are kept quiet, but today we are reading about Ward and the 10K limit compared to the 13K demand, so Bruno and Calde don't have to ask anyone, it's in the public domain. The new left back breaks the wage cap and the right backs don't consider this when negotiating their own new contracts, really? Tug it's like raising the minimum wage, if you pay the bus boys more money those above them want more to maintain their differential. If Calde and Bruno are on say, 7K a week, and I have no idea if they are, is Ward 6K better in terms of performance? Everyone says that money talks, that players are only in it for their own bank balance, if that is true, why wouldn't our right backs want more if Ward breaks the ceiling?[/p][/quote]Because our right backs would be struggling to find a club in this country! Ward has a year on 13 k a week, he can sit out his deal at wolves , then walk to another club for 10k next year and collect a tidy signing on fee , that would probably be in the region of 100k so by staying at wolves he can earn 250k more than coming here! As for caldi and Bruno .. I am surprised we have kept both players at there age.[/p][/quote]If both right backs aren't good enough and Sami wants to buy a decent right back his hands are already tied. The club will say we already have 2 right backs, because of FFP we can't afford the luxury of 3 On another subject when was the last time if ever a non British manager won promotion to the Premiership? They come close (Martinez, Zola, Poyet and Rosler) but never quite make it[/p][/quote]Roberto Di Matteo. Captain Haddock
  • Score: 1

11:14am Fri 4 Jul 14

thetungsten says...

he is worth every penny of the reported £13,000 a week- his transfer fee would be cheap relative to any other like for like acquisition, he is proven at this club and therefore not a risky purchase, and most importantly his face fits, he knows the setup and the people and has age on his side.

I would be really peed off if for the sake of £3000 a week we let him slip through the net into the hands of the competition. Good left sided wing backs are far and few between.

Give him what he wants!!
he is worth every penny of the reported £13,000 a week- his transfer fee would be cheap relative to any other like for like acquisition, he is proven at this club and therefore not a risky purchase, and most importantly his face fits, he knows the setup and the people and has age on his side. I would be really peed off if for the sake of £3000 a week we let him slip through the net into the hands of the competition. Good left sided wing backs are far and few between. Give him what he wants!! thetungsten
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