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Ward deal for Albion not close, says Wolves boss

The Argus: Stephen Ward Stephen Ward

Albion are still some way from clinching the permanent capture of Stephen Ward, according to Wolves manager Kenny Jackett.

The Argus revealed last week the Seagulls are not prepared to match Ward's wages at Wolves of £13,000-a-week after paying £3,000-a-week less last season when the Republic of Ireland international left-back was on loan from Wolves.

Jackett said: "There has been some contact with Jez (Moxey, chief executive) – Brighton have been in touch during the course of the summer.

"It’s dovetailed with them appointing a new manager. Nothing has been agreed so there's enough of a distance for a deal not to have been done yet.

"But at least there has been some contact. They've expressed an interest through the summer.

"Stephen had a good year last season and I'm sure he'll be looking to build on it.

"He's said publicly he'd like to stay at Brighton. I'll see him and talk to him."

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12:12pm Mon 30 Jun 14

DuncanThickett says...

This combined with the stories circulating in other media about Ulloa wanting to go, this has been a great Monday so far.
This combined with the stories circulating in other media about Ulloa wanting to go, this has been a great Monday so far. DuncanThickett
  • Score: -4

12:24pm Mon 30 Jun 14

gilbertthecat says...

The notable thing is that KJ confirms SW wants to come back but doesn't say Wolves want to keep him. He also refers to the 'dovetailing' re getting SH in. Think he's saying the club concentrated on the manager first, now they are looking for players (as well as a no.2 for SH of course. What he is not saying is that Wolves won't sell to Brighton neither is he saying that there are other options for SW,such as other interested clubs.

Now the fact no other club has come in for him might look to some 'commentators' as if he's not up to it. Maybe it's just the case that his wages are the issue, as reported before. Whatever the reason he and the club are still interested in each other and for me that is good news and means a deal can still be done. Come on SW, it's just the M40, M25 and M23!
The notable thing is that KJ confirms SW wants to come back but doesn't say Wolves want to keep him. He also refers to the 'dovetailing' re getting SH in. Think he's saying the club concentrated on the manager first, now they are looking for players (as well as a no.2 for SH of course. What he is not saying is that Wolves won't sell to Brighton neither is he saying that there are other options for SW,such as other interested clubs. Now the fact no other club has come in for him might look to some 'commentators' as if he's not up to it. Maybe it's just the case that his wages are the issue, as reported before. Whatever the reason he and the club are still interested in each other and for me that is good news and means a deal can still be done. Come on SW, it's just the M40, M25 and M23! gilbertthecat
  • Score: 9

12:29pm Mon 30 Jun 14

ballantrrae says...

Jackett seems to be confirming that the Albion have expressed interest in Ward and that Ward might be interested in returning to the club. Whilst he says a deal has yet to be struck Jackett does not say one can't be done. So hopefully David Burke is trying to find a way of making Ward's permanent signing happen.
Off topic I see that in today's Mirror they are reporting that Ulloa intends to tell the club he wants to leave for the chance of Premier League football. Since there is 3 yeas left on his contract BHA should be in a relatively strong position depending on any 'buy out' clause in his contract. I realise that if a big enough offer is made that he will depart but I trust that Ulloa will at least listen to Hyypia before making any decision (some hope I know). The situation hasn't been helped by Ulloa's delayed return today because of travel difficulties.
Still feel that SH has been let down by Lee but think on reflection that we will be better off without him.
Jackett seems to be confirming that the Albion have expressed interest in Ward and that Ward might be interested in returning to the club. Whilst he says a deal has yet to be struck Jackett does not say one can't be done. So hopefully David Burke is trying to find a way of making Ward's permanent signing happen. Off topic I see that in today's Mirror they are reporting that Ulloa intends to tell the club he wants to leave for the chance of Premier League football. Since there is 3 yeas left on his contract BHA should be in a relatively strong position depending on any 'buy out' clause in his contract. I realise that if a big enough offer is made that he will depart but I trust that Ulloa will at least listen to Hyypia before making any decision (some hope I know). The situation hasn't been helped by Ulloa's delayed return today because of travel difficulties. Still feel that SH has been let down by Lee but think on reflection that we will be better off without him. ballantrrae
  • Score: 6

12:29pm Mon 30 Jun 14

rolivan says...

gilbertthecat wrote:
The notable thing is that KJ confirms SW wants to come back but doesn't say Wolves want to keep him. He also refers to the 'dovetailing' re getting SH in. Think he's saying the club concentrated on the manager first, now they are looking for players (as well as a no.2 for SH of course. What he is not saying is that Wolves won't sell to Brighton neither is he saying that there are other options for SW,such as other interested clubs.

Now the fact no other club has come in for him might look to some 'commentators' as if he's not up to it. Maybe it's just the case that his wages are the issue, as reported before. Whatever the reason he and the club are still interested in each other and for me that is good news and means a deal can still be done. Come on SW, it's just the M40, M25 and M23!
That will get him to Crawley what would he want to go there for?
[quote][p][bold]gilbertthecat[/bold] wrote: The notable thing is that KJ confirms SW wants to come back but doesn't say Wolves want to keep him. He also refers to the 'dovetailing' re getting SH in. Think he's saying the club concentrated on the manager first, now they are looking for players (as well as a no.2 for SH of course. What he is not saying is that Wolves won't sell to Brighton neither is he saying that there are other options for SW,such as other interested clubs. Now the fact no other club has come in for him might look to some 'commentators' as if he's not up to it. Maybe it's just the case that his wages are the issue, as reported before. Whatever the reason he and the club are still interested in each other and for me that is good news and means a deal can still be done. Come on SW, it's just the M40, M25 and M23![/p][/quote]That will get him to Crawley what would he want to go there for? rolivan
  • Score: 8

12:38pm Mon 30 Jun 14

Mr Farkenbus says...

Meanwhile....sky bet just reported that Ulloa will tell the club he wants a move to the PL...great, more bad news!
Meanwhile....sky bet just reported that Ulloa will tell the club he wants a move to the PL...great, more bad news! Mr Farkenbus
  • Score: 6

12:40pm Mon 30 Jun 14

JeffLomer says...

Let's get him back where he belongs in a Brighton shirt surely everyone would want that to happen,
Let's get him back where he belongs in a Brighton shirt surely everyone would want that to happen, JeffLomer
  • Score: 4

12:47pm Mon 30 Jun 14

Baldseagull says...

Would love him to come back here, but he can pick up an extra £150k a season sitting out his contract. Wolves want rid but won't give him away, Ward wants to earn his full potential wage at least, and Brighton don't want to break the wage budget, so if it happens it will probably be late in the window when all other options have been exhausted by one of the 3 parties and one gives in, if it does happen I reckon Wolves will ask for £250k transfer, pay Ward £150k to go, and we pay the 10k per week we are comfortable with. Of course this would mean we have effectively paid Ward the 13k he is looking to pull in each week this season, but it stops other players getting the hump when they are told 10k is the max. and if he signs for 2 or 3 seasons, the £250k transfer is split over the term.
That said, if recent form is anything to go by, Reading or Saints will take him and pay £15k per week.
Would love him to come back here, but he can pick up an extra £150k a season sitting out his contract. Wolves want rid but won't give him away, Ward wants to earn his full potential wage at least, and Brighton don't want to break the wage budget, so if it happens it will probably be late in the window when all other options have been exhausted by one of the 3 parties and one gives in, if it does happen I reckon Wolves will ask for £250k transfer, pay Ward £150k to go, and we pay the 10k per week we are comfortable with. Of course this would mean we have effectively paid Ward the 13k he is looking to pull in each week this season, but it stops other players getting the hump when they are told 10k is the max. and if he signs for 2 or 3 seasons, the £250k transfer is split over the term. That said, if recent form is anything to go by, Reading or Saints will take him and pay £15k per week. Baldseagull
  • Score: 2

12:48pm Mon 30 Jun 14

AlfieT says...

ballantrrae wrote:
Jackett seems to be confirming that the Albion have expressed interest in Ward and that Ward might be interested in returning to the club. Whilst he says a deal has yet to be struck Jackett does not say one can't be done. So hopefully David Burke is trying to find a way of making Ward's permanent signing happen.
Off topic I see that in today's Mirror they are reporting that Ulloa intends to tell the club he wants to leave for the chance of Premier League football. Since there is 3 yeas left on his contract BHA should be in a relatively strong position depending on any 'buy out' clause in his contract. I realise that if a big enough offer is made that he will depart but I trust that Ulloa will at least listen to Hyypia before making any decision (some hope I know). The situation hasn't been helped by Ulloa's delayed return today because of travel difficulties.
Still feel that SH has been let down by Lee but think on reflection that we will be better off without him.
Decent reasoned post as always, agree about Leo if he wants out then with three years left, cash in and move on. Sammy Lee's decision is understandable, things happen for a reason, I'm certain another more than capable candidate isn't far away. Jacket seems a decent bloke, I'm sure he will assist Ward in a move away from Wolves and hopefully to us if the finances can be sorted. Frustrating, but patience is required.
[quote][p][bold]ballantrrae[/bold] wrote: Jackett seems to be confirming that the Albion have expressed interest in Ward and that Ward might be interested in returning to the club. Whilst he says a deal has yet to be struck Jackett does not say one can't be done. So hopefully David Burke is trying to find a way of making Ward's permanent signing happen. Off topic I see that in today's Mirror they are reporting that Ulloa intends to tell the club he wants to leave for the chance of Premier League football. Since there is 3 yeas left on his contract BHA should be in a relatively strong position depending on any 'buy out' clause in his contract. I realise that if a big enough offer is made that he will depart but I trust that Ulloa will at least listen to Hyypia before making any decision (some hope I know). The situation hasn't been helped by Ulloa's delayed return today because of travel difficulties. Still feel that SH has been let down by Lee but think on reflection that we will be better off without him.[/p][/quote]Decent reasoned post as always, agree about Leo if he wants out then with three years left, cash in and move on. Sammy Lee's decision is understandable, things happen for a reason, I'm certain another more than capable candidate isn't far away. Jacket seems a decent bloke, I'm sure he will assist Ward in a move away from Wolves and hopefully to us if the finances can be sorted. Frustrating, but patience is required. AlfieT
  • Score: 6

12:53pm Mon 30 Jun 14

pablobrowno says...

Sadly Ulloa wanting to go to the Prem is no surprise. He wants to take his chance whilst he can and I doubt he has seen quite enough in terms of player recruitment (esp last season's January transfer window debacle!) etc to believe we have a strong chance of going up automatically this season. He's not a spring chicken either so probably feels he can't afford to sit around and wait forever. He has also seen two managers leave the club probably both citing the same concerns about the club's "ceiling". It probably doesn't inspire him with confidence.

I'm not suggesting our wage structure etc is anything but a good thing for the club's long term stability but I think we all find it disconcerting when we appear to be regularly"out-priced
" for players.

The board's investment in the club is clearly long term, i.e. the training ground and academy, which will likely pay dividends in 5-10 years time. The question for players like Ulloa is are we really committed to getting to the Prem in the short term. The answer to that is probably no. In which case players like him will want to leave when given to opportunity at the highest level. If he goes then we need to make sure we are paid handsomely, and then find the next one. We could take a leaf out of Peterborough's scouting regime!
Sadly Ulloa wanting to go to the Prem is no surprise. He wants to take his chance whilst he can and I doubt he has seen quite enough in terms of player recruitment (esp last season's January transfer window debacle!) etc to believe we have a strong chance of going up automatically this season. He's not a spring chicken either so probably feels he can't afford to sit around and wait forever. He has also seen two managers leave the club probably both citing the same concerns about the club's "ceiling". It probably doesn't inspire him with confidence. I'm not suggesting our wage structure etc is anything but a good thing for the club's long term stability but I think we all find it disconcerting when we appear to be regularly"out-priced " for players. The board's investment in the club is clearly long term, i.e. the training ground and academy, which will likely pay dividends in 5-10 years time. The question for players like Ulloa is are we really committed to getting to the Prem in the short term. The answer to that is probably no. In which case players like him will want to leave when given to opportunity at the highest level. If he goes then we need to make sure we are paid handsomely, and then find the next one. We could take a leaf out of Peterborough's scouting regime! pablobrowno
  • Score: 7

12:58pm Mon 30 Jun 14

Seagull96 says...

I really don't get this. We released half our squad, the like of Orlandi, Rodriguez, Hoskins and Spanish Dave must have all been on a decent wage, not to mention the sale of Bridcutt who must have been one of highest paid. Why hesitate in getting Wardy back? We must have the funds available, plus, it's looking like he doesn't have a place in that Wolves squad anyway! Should have been back already, can't understand the hesitation personally. Anyway, I'll keep faith in Hyypia to do the right thing. UTA!!
I really don't get this. We released half our squad, the like of Orlandi, Rodriguez, Hoskins and Spanish Dave must have all been on a decent wage, not to mention the sale of Bridcutt who must have been one of highest paid. Why hesitate in getting Wardy back? We must have the funds available, plus, it's looking like he doesn't have a place in that Wolves squad anyway! Should have been back already, can't understand the hesitation personally. Anyway, I'll keep faith in Hyypia to do the right thing. UTA!! Seagull96
  • Score: 2

1:00pm Mon 30 Jun 14

Simbosims says...

If Ulloa hasdeclared his intention to leave suggest we cash in and let him go. If he stays performances are bound to dwindle.

Replacement ? I believe Bobby Z. is shortly out of contract with QPR and has previously stated his intention of playing his last days with the Albion.

Strikeforce of Zamora and CMS sounds OK to me?
If Ulloa hasdeclared his intention to leave suggest we cash in and let him go. If he stays performances are bound to dwindle. Replacement ? I believe Bobby Z. is shortly out of contract with QPR and has previously stated his intention of playing his last days with the Albion. Strikeforce of Zamora and CMS sounds OK to me? Simbosims
  • Score: 0

1:05pm Mon 30 Jun 14

OzzieGull says...

Talk about "good news week" - No Sammy Lee, most likely no Ulloa, potentially no Ward, and all this while other teams are building. We seem to be needing a little bit too much - keeper, centre back, creative midfielder, probably two strikers, and an assistant manager. Some of the DS have been around long enough to be integrated into the first team and if they're not good enough then they shouldn't till be here - we have a keeper, left back, centre back, and striker in the DS -what's the point if they're not being used?
Talk about "good news week" - No Sammy Lee, most likely no Ulloa, potentially no Ward, and all this while other teams are building. We seem to be needing a little bit too much - keeper, centre back, creative midfielder, probably two strikers, and an assistant manager. Some of the DS have been around long enough to be integrated into the first team and if they're not good enough then they shouldn't till be here - we have a keeper, left back, centre back, and striker in the DS -what's the point if they're not being used? OzzieGull
  • Score: 2

1:11pm Mon 30 Jun 14

gordongull says...

Seagull96 wrote:
I really don't get this. We released half our squad, the like of Orlandi, Rodriguez, Hoskins and Spanish Dave must have all been on a decent wage, not to mention the sale of Bridcutt who must have been one of highest paid. Why hesitate in getting Wardy back? We must have the funds available, plus, it's looking like he doesn't have a place in that Wolves squad anyway! Should have been back already, can't understand the hesitation personally. Anyway, I'll keep faith in Hyypia to do the right thing. UTA!!
He has a contract guaranteeing him £3k a week more than we are willing to pay him.
[quote][p][bold]Seagull96[/bold] wrote: I really don't get this. We released half our squad, the like of Orlandi, Rodriguez, Hoskins and Spanish Dave must have all been on a decent wage, not to mention the sale of Bridcutt who must have been one of highest paid. Why hesitate in getting Wardy back? We must have the funds available, plus, it's looking like he doesn't have a place in that Wolves squad anyway! Should have been back already, can't understand the hesitation personally. Anyway, I'll keep faith in Hyypia to do the right thing. UTA!![/p][/quote]He has a contract guaranteeing him £3k a week more than we are willing to pay him. gordongull
  • Score: 6

1:27pm Mon 30 Jun 14

gordongull says...

OzzieGull wrote:
Talk about "good news week" - No Sammy Lee, most likely no Ulloa, potentially no Ward, and all this while other teams are building. We seem to be needing a little bit too much - keeper, centre back, creative midfielder, probably two strikers, and an assistant manager. Some of the DS have been around long enough to be integrated into the first team and if they're not good enough then they shouldn't till be here - we have a keeper, left back, centre back, and striker in the DS -what's the point if they're not being used?
Could be worse.
It is as well that we found out that Lee is unreliable sooner rather than later, and did anyone really think Ulloa was staying after the interest from Leicester?
If an early deal can be done for Leo, his fee can be added to the transfer fund, and team-building can begin without any distractions, or uncertainty about how much is available for players.
The DS players will be integrated when the Manager believes they are ready.
[quote][p][bold]OzzieGull[/bold] wrote: Talk about "good news week" - No Sammy Lee, most likely no Ulloa, potentially no Ward, and all this while other teams are building. We seem to be needing a little bit too much - keeper, centre back, creative midfielder, probably two strikers, and an assistant manager. Some of the DS have been around long enough to be integrated into the first team and if they're not good enough then they shouldn't till be here - we have a keeper, left back, centre back, and striker in the DS -what's the point if they're not being used?[/p][/quote]Could be worse. It is as well that we found out that Lee is unreliable sooner rather than later, and did anyone really think Ulloa was staying after the interest from Leicester? If an early deal can be done for Leo, his fee can be added to the transfer fund, and team-building can begin without any distractions, or uncertainty about how much is available for players. The DS players will be integrated when the Manager believes they are ready. gordongull
  • Score: 1

1:27pm Mon 30 Jun 14

Clean Sheet says...

The Argus headline does not match the article. There was nothing in the article other than normal negotiations are ongoing, nothing to say the deal is not close. On Ulloa, he will leave only if a PL club comes in with a sensible offer. While he has done a great job for Brighton, he is unproven in the PL, so the offer may not materialise. Our Board has already dismissed 3 offers from Leicester, and it does not look like they have come back with a higher offer recently, so they may have reached their ceiling for him.
The Argus headline does not match the article. There was nothing in the article other than normal negotiations are ongoing, nothing to say the deal is not close. On Ulloa, he will leave only if a PL club comes in with a sensible offer. While he has done a great job for Brighton, he is unproven in the PL, so the offer may not materialise. Our Board has already dismissed 3 offers from Leicester, and it does not look like they have come back with a higher offer recently, so they may have reached their ceiling for him. Clean Sheet
  • Score: 4

1:30pm Mon 30 Jun 14

tug509 says...

Common sense is obviously a must when dealing with the finances of our Great club ,but stubbornness to the level we are seeing for the 3rd year running ,is like painting a big red cross on the front door with instructions to avoid at all cost . We are a multi million pound company/business call it what you will that has been continuously operating for 113 years ,unyet we cant even sort out the problems around buying 1 player that wants to join us from a club that is willing to sell him to us ,heaven help us if we dont take a more flexible and pro active approach . UTA
Common sense is obviously a must when dealing with the finances of our Great club ,but stubbornness to the level we are seeing for the 3rd year running ,is like painting a big red cross on the front door with instructions to avoid at all cost . We are a multi million pound company/business call it what you will that has been continuously operating for 113 years ,unyet we cant even sort out the problems around buying 1 player that wants to join us from a club that is willing to sell him to us ,heaven help us if we dont take a more flexible and pro active approach . UTA tug509
  • Score: -11

1:36pm Mon 30 Jun 14

To baldly go says...

Forget Ward imo, we have young Chicksen and Maxi to fight for the left back position, and let's face it, this year we are going to be building a new squad that will take a season or two to get back to the top.
Sell Ulloa, if he wants away, £6m+ and invest in a few young players!
Forget Ward imo, we have young Chicksen and Maxi to fight for the left back position, and let's face it, this year we are going to be building a new squad that will take a season or two to get back to the top. Sell Ulloa, if he wants away, £6m+ and invest in a few young players! To baldly go
  • Score: 0

1:43pm Mon 30 Jun 14

VegasSeagull says...

The Mirror comments re Ulloa, if correct, are offering details that can only have come from, 'inside knowledge,' 7 million offer turned down, the last number this paper, or any other for that matter, reported on was 5 million.
Ulloa will ask to go, how does the Mirror know that, someone is leaking info?
The travel delay stopping Leo returning promptly is rather convenient, the lad surely had enough time to book his flight back, this could suggest that the Mirror article actually has some legs.

My guess, for what it's worth, and 'if,' 7 million has been offered but declined, Brighton will be looking for an 8 million deal to go wth a transfer request by Leo, thus pushing the total to a minimum of 8.5 miliion in terms of what we get, plus add-ons. If such as offer is on the table I don't really see how Brighton can turn it down.
The Mirror comments re Ulloa, if correct, are offering details that can only have come from, 'inside knowledge,' 7 million offer turned down, the last number this paper, or any other for that matter, reported on was 5 million. Ulloa will ask to go, how does the Mirror know that, someone is leaking info? The travel delay stopping Leo returning promptly is rather convenient, the lad surely had enough time to book his flight back, this could suggest that the Mirror article actually has some legs. My guess, for what it's worth, and 'if,' 7 million has been offered but declined, Brighton will be looking for an 8 million deal to go wth a transfer request by Leo, thus pushing the total to a minimum of 8.5 miliion in terms of what we get, plus add-ons. If such as offer is on the table I don't really see how Brighton can turn it down. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 7

1:55pm Mon 30 Jun 14

Neville says...

Re Ulloa,he has done reasonably well and pretty sure Poyet waiting to get him and Buckley,as long as the price is right let them go.
Ulloa is great in the air but has no pace and is not a clinical finisher,Buckley is good and effective for probably 10-15 matches,then he is either injured or part played.
I note Connelli on this site has been pretty accurate with his forecasting,the latest being that Ulloa and Buckley will hand in transfer requests today,not a million miles away from Sky reports,so perhaps a little credit to him.
Zamora would be great but he is on around 60,000 per week so not an option unfortunately.
Re Ulloa,he has done reasonably well and pretty sure Poyet waiting to get him and Buckley,as long as the price is right let them go. Ulloa is great in the air but has no pace and is not a clinical finisher,Buckley is good and effective for probably 10-15 matches,then he is either injured or part played. I note Connelli on this site has been pretty accurate with his forecasting,the latest being that Ulloa and Buckley will hand in transfer requests today,not a million miles away from Sky reports,so perhaps a little credit to him. Zamora would be great but he is on around 60,000 per week so not an option unfortunately. Neville
  • Score: 1

1:58pm Mon 30 Jun 14

Albion In Staffs says...

It looks to me like the Ulloa article in the Mirror, has come from a South American source to a journalist covering the World Cup in Brazil, so I'd be tempted to suggest it's fairly accurate? Argentina play tomorrow, so a pre-match press conference may have offered a chance for some other business to be discussed.
The tone also suggests that Ulloa isn't going to throw his toys out of the pram (just yet) so if his reasonable request to be allowed to pursue a chance in the PL, is matched by an understanding response from us, I'd expect him to go before too long and leave us with a decent supplement to our transfer pot.
I'll be disappointed to see him go, but it feels to me like it has the basis for an outcome that's suitable to both sides.
It looks to me like the Ulloa article in the Mirror, has come from a South American source to a journalist covering the World Cup in Brazil, so I'd be tempted to suggest it's fairly accurate? Argentina play tomorrow, so a pre-match press conference may have offered a chance for some other business to be discussed. The tone also suggests that Ulloa isn't going to throw his toys out of the pram (just yet) so if his reasonable request to be allowed to pursue a chance in the PL, is matched by an understanding response from us, I'd expect him to go before too long and leave us with a decent supplement to our transfer pot. I'll be disappointed to see him go, but it feels to me like it has the basis for an outcome that's suitable to both sides. Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 5

1:58pm Mon 30 Jun 14

VegasSeagull says...

The Ward deal might actually hinge on the lad getting less that the 10K we contributed to his wages last season. When we borrowed him we had a need, and we were used to paying 10K a week toward the wages of Bridge, so doing a simillar deal for Ward wasn't really an issue. Today we are looking to buy the lad so the fee added to his wages, might be reaching a total cost that we don't like. Either the fee has to come down or his wages do to reach a figure that we are happy with over the length of his contract. The hold up on this transfer might not be the extra 3K, it could be more.
If the total costs are high, the length of contract we offer will be shorter than if the total costs are more in line with what we want to pay.
The Ward deal might actually hinge on the lad getting less that the 10K we contributed to his wages last season. When we borrowed him we had a need, and we were used to paying 10K a week toward the wages of Bridge, so doing a simillar deal for Ward wasn't really an issue. Today we are looking to buy the lad so the fee added to his wages, might be reaching a total cost that we don't like. Either the fee has to come down or his wages do to reach a figure that we are happy with over the length of his contract. The hold up on this transfer might not be the extra 3K, it could be more. If the total costs are high, the length of contract we offer will be shorter than if the total costs are more in line with what we want to pay. VegasSeagull
  • Score: -2

2:11pm Mon 30 Jun 14

VegasSeagull says...

Thinking about this Ulloa situation, if the Mirror is wrong when it says, 'a 7 million bid was rejected,' then we are back to the 5 million offer from Leicester, and that figure just isn't going to get the deal done no matter what Leo wants, I think the club has made that pretty clear by it's refusal of that bid. If Leo really wants to go the best thing he can do is get back into traning with Brighton, go to Spain, play in the friendly matches and bang in some goals, Leicester will no doubt have eyes on him in Spain.
Thinking about this Ulloa situation, if the Mirror is wrong when it says, 'a 7 million bid was rejected,' then we are back to the 5 million offer from Leicester, and that figure just isn't going to get the deal done no matter what Leo wants, I think the club has made that pretty clear by it's refusal of that bid. If Leo really wants to go the best thing he can do is get back into traning with Brighton, go to Spain, play in the friendly matches and bang in some goals, Leicester will no doubt have eyes on him in Spain. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 4

2:12pm Mon 30 Jun 14

tug509 says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
The Ward deal might actually hinge on the lad getting less that the 10K we contributed to his wages last season. When we borrowed him we had a need, and we were used to paying 10K a week toward the wages of Bridge, so doing a simillar deal for Ward wasn't really an issue. Today we are looking to buy the lad so the fee added to his wages, might be reaching a total cost that we don't like. Either the fee has to come down or his wages do to reach a figure that we are happy with over the length of his contract. The hold up on this transfer might not be the extra 3K, it could be more.
If the total costs are high, the length of contract we offer will be shorter than if the total costs are more in line with what we want to pay.
I made this very point the other day Vegas ,but it seems that is not acceptable to some ,he takes 10k a week and no more ,regardless of how the bottom line is achieved .
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: The Ward deal might actually hinge on the lad getting less that the 10K we contributed to his wages last season. When we borrowed him we had a need, and we were used to paying 10K a week toward the wages of Bridge, so doing a simillar deal for Ward wasn't really an issue. Today we are looking to buy the lad so the fee added to his wages, might be reaching a total cost that we don't like. Either the fee has to come down or his wages do to reach a figure that we are happy with over the length of his contract. The hold up on this transfer might not be the extra 3K, it could be more. If the total costs are high, the length of contract we offer will be shorter than if the total costs are more in line with what we want to pay.[/p][/quote]I made this very point the other day Vegas ,but it seems that is not acceptable to some ,he takes 10k a week and no more ,regardless of how the bottom line is achieved . tug509
  • Score: 0

2:21pm Mon 30 Jun 14

To baldly go says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
The Ward deal might actually hinge on the lad getting less that the 10K we contributed to his wages last season. When we borrowed him we had a need, and we were used to paying 10K a week toward the wages of Bridge, so doing a simillar deal for Ward wasn't really an issue. Today we are looking to buy the lad so the fee added to his wages, might be reaching a total cost that we don't like. Either the fee has to come down or his wages do to reach a figure that we are happy with over the length of his contract. The hold up on this transfer might not be the extra 3K, it could be more.
If the total costs are high, the length of contract we offer will be shorter than if the total costs are more in line with what we want to pay.
Afternoon Vegas, or is that good morning in your neck of the woods!
We've hit on this one before, for me, we go with Chicksen, what I've seen of him as a sub/cup games etc, he has the potential to make the step up imo, had he not picked up his ankle injury pre season I don't think Ward would have been here anyway. Centre backs and a keeper are the priority, and a play maker in midfield also. If we sell Ulloa, which is more than likely, we will have the funds to fill these positions. Thoughts?
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: The Ward deal might actually hinge on the lad getting less that the 10K we contributed to his wages last season. When we borrowed him we had a need, and we were used to paying 10K a week toward the wages of Bridge, so doing a simillar deal for Ward wasn't really an issue. Today we are looking to buy the lad so the fee added to his wages, might be reaching a total cost that we don't like. Either the fee has to come down or his wages do to reach a figure that we are happy with over the length of his contract. The hold up on this transfer might not be the extra 3K, it could be more. If the total costs are high, the length of contract we offer will be shorter than if the total costs are more in line with what we want to pay.[/p][/quote]Afternoon Vegas, or is that good morning in your neck of the woods! We've hit on this one before, for me, we go with Chicksen, what I've seen of him as a sub/cup games etc, he has the potential to make the step up imo, had he not picked up his ankle injury pre season I don't think Ward would have been here anyway. Centre backs and a keeper are the priority, and a play maker in midfield also. If we sell Ulloa, which is more than likely, we will have the funds to fill these positions. Thoughts? To baldly go
  • Score: 2

2:30pm Mon 30 Jun 14

lighteninglee says...

1. Ward was a top player for us last season. 2. He publicly said he wants to play for Brighton. So do the right thing and sign him up... If ulloa wants to go then let him but we need to make sure that we can buy a top striker before letting him go...
1. Ward was a top player for us last season. 2. He publicly said he wants to play for Brighton. So do the right thing and sign him up... If ulloa wants to go then let him but we need to make sure that we can buy a top striker before letting him go... lighteninglee
  • Score: 3

2:37pm Mon 30 Jun 14

VegasSeagull says...

tug509 wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
The Ward deal might actually hinge on the lad getting less that the 10K we contributed to his wages last season. When we borrowed him we had a need, and we were used to paying 10K a week toward the wages of Bridge, so doing a simillar deal for Ward wasn't really an issue. Today we are looking to buy the lad so the fee added to his wages, might be reaching a total cost that we don't like. Either the fee has to come down or his wages do to reach a figure that we are happy with over the length of his contract. The hold up on this transfer might not be the extra 3K, it could be more.
If the total costs are high, the length of contract we offer will be shorter than if the total costs are more in line with what we want to pay.
I made this very point the other day Vegas ,but it seems that is not acceptable to some ,he takes 10k a week and no more ,regardless of how the bottom line is achieved .
Hi Tug.
As I see it is, Wolves face a year's wages bill of some 950K if they don't get him off their books, so they want him gone. Brighton, if we paid him 10K a week, and offer him a two year deal with an option on a further year, will have a certain 1 million payout excluding a transfer fee, add on a modest fee and out total could be 1.3 million.
Would Wolves scupper this deal for the sake of say 300K, if they don't move him on they are in for nearly a million in wages payout. Would Ward scupper the deal over 300K in wages over a two year period when he is gaurenteed a cool million over the same period.

I am left wondering if in fact we are offering less that 10K a week, maybe something closer to 8K, it could be us that are holding up this deal from going thru.
[quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: The Ward deal might actually hinge on the lad getting less that the 10K we contributed to his wages last season. When we borrowed him we had a need, and we were used to paying 10K a week toward the wages of Bridge, so doing a simillar deal for Ward wasn't really an issue. Today we are looking to buy the lad so the fee added to his wages, might be reaching a total cost that we don't like. Either the fee has to come down or his wages do to reach a figure that we are happy with over the length of his contract. The hold up on this transfer might not be the extra 3K, it could be more. If the total costs are high, the length of contract we offer will be shorter than if the total costs are more in line with what we want to pay.[/p][/quote]I made this very point the other day Vegas ,but it seems that is not acceptable to some ,he takes 10k a week and no more ,regardless of how the bottom line is achieved .[/p][/quote]Hi Tug. As I see it is, Wolves face a year's wages bill of some 950K if they don't get him off their books, so they want him gone. Brighton, if we paid him 10K a week, and offer him a two year deal with an option on a further year, will have a certain 1 million payout excluding a transfer fee, add on a modest fee and out total could be 1.3 million. Would Wolves scupper this deal for the sake of say 300K, if they don't move him on they are in for nearly a million in wages payout. Would Ward scupper the deal over 300K in wages over a two year period when he is gaurenteed a cool million over the same period. I am left wondering if in fact we are offering less that 10K a week, maybe something closer to 8K, it could be us that are holding up this deal from going thru. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 3

3:09pm Mon 30 Jun 14

bruce beckett says...

Sammy Lee snubs us for coaching kids at Southampton. It seems Brentford can afford to pay one million for a player but we can't...yes, little Brentford. We can't afford Ward's wages and Ulloa, quite understandably, wants to follow Gus and Garcia out of the door because the club can't match his ambition.

It appears, right now, that the club can't meet the expectations of their loyal supporters either.

Hyppia has clearly been brought in to manage the squad on a tight budget. Hope he's a miracle worker...because that's what we are going to need.
Sammy Lee snubs us for coaching kids at Southampton. It seems Brentford can afford to pay one million for a player but we can't...yes, little Brentford. We can't afford Ward's wages and Ulloa, quite understandably, wants to follow Gus and Garcia out of the door because the club can't match his ambition. It appears, right now, that the club can't meet the expectations of their loyal supporters either. Hyppia has clearly been brought in to manage the squad on a tight budget. Hope he's a miracle worker...because that's what we are going to need. bruce beckett
  • Score: 1

3:10pm Mon 30 Jun 14

gordongull says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
tug509 wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
The Ward deal might actually hinge on the lad getting less that the 10K we contributed to his wages last season. When we borrowed him we had a need, and we were used to paying 10K a week toward the wages of Bridge, so doing a simillar deal for Ward wasn't really an issue. Today we are looking to buy the lad so the fee added to his wages, might be reaching a total cost that we don't like. Either the fee has to come down or his wages do to reach a figure that we are happy with over the length of his contract. The hold up on this transfer might not be the extra 3K, it could be more.
If the total costs are high, the length of contract we offer will be shorter than if the total costs are more in line with what we want to pay.
I made this very point the other day Vegas ,but it seems that is not acceptable to some ,he takes 10k a week and no more ,regardless of how the bottom line is achieved .
Hi Tug.
As I see it is, Wolves face a year's wages bill of some 950K if they don't get him off their books, so they want him gone. Brighton, if we paid him 10K a week, and offer him a two year deal with an option on a further year, will have a certain 1 million payout excluding a transfer fee, add on a modest fee and out total could be 1.3 million.
Would Wolves scupper this deal for the sake of say 300K, if they don't move him on they are in for nearly a million in wages payout. Would Ward scupper the deal over 300K in wages over a two year period when he is gaurenteed a cool million over the same period.

I am left wondering if in fact we are offering less that 10K a week, maybe something closer to 8K, it could be us that are holding up this deal from going thru.
I think it is highly possible that you are right about an £8m figure, Vegas.
We were told by Paul Barber in February, that he was confident the Club would reduce 2013-2014 losses to the required £8m. But that figure needs to be reduced by a further £2m this season to comply with FFP, and the costs associated with players are the only realistic area where these savings can be made.
I think we are in a 'Catch 22' situation. We need a team now, but all the best deals will not take place until later in the Window, when the reality of the new financial environment has had time to take effect on players' wage expectations.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: The Ward deal might actually hinge on the lad getting less that the 10K we contributed to his wages last season. When we borrowed him we had a need, and we were used to paying 10K a week toward the wages of Bridge, so doing a simillar deal for Ward wasn't really an issue. Today we are looking to buy the lad so the fee added to his wages, might be reaching a total cost that we don't like. Either the fee has to come down or his wages do to reach a figure that we are happy with over the length of his contract. The hold up on this transfer might not be the extra 3K, it could be more. If the total costs are high, the length of contract we offer will be shorter than if the total costs are more in line with what we want to pay.[/p][/quote]I made this very point the other day Vegas ,but it seems that is not acceptable to some ,he takes 10k a week and no more ,regardless of how the bottom line is achieved .[/p][/quote]Hi Tug. As I see it is, Wolves face a year's wages bill of some 950K if they don't get him off their books, so they want him gone. Brighton, if we paid him 10K a week, and offer him a two year deal with an option on a further year, will have a certain 1 million payout excluding a transfer fee, add on a modest fee and out total could be 1.3 million. Would Wolves scupper this deal for the sake of say 300K, if they don't move him on they are in for nearly a million in wages payout. Would Ward scupper the deal over 300K in wages over a two year period when he is gaurenteed a cool million over the same period. I am left wondering if in fact we are offering less that 10K a week, maybe something closer to 8K, it could be us that are holding up this deal from going thru.[/p][/quote]I think it is highly possible that you are right about an £8m figure, Vegas. We were told by Paul Barber in February, that he was confident the Club would reduce 2013-2014 losses to the required £8m. But that figure needs to be reduced by a further £2m this season to comply with FFP, and the costs associated with players are the only realistic area where these savings can be made. I think we are in a 'Catch 22' situation. We need a team now, but all the best deals will not take place until later in the Window, when the reality of the new financial environment has had time to take effect on players' wage expectations. gordongull
  • Score: 3

3:15pm Mon 30 Jun 14

ballantrrae says...

To baldly go wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
The Ward deal might actually hinge on the lad getting less that the 10K we contributed to his wages last season. When we borrowed him we had a need, and we were used to paying 10K a week toward the wages of Bridge, so doing a simillar deal for Ward wasn't really an issue. Today we are looking to buy the lad so the fee added to his wages, might be reaching a total cost that we don't like. Either the fee has to come down or his wages do to reach a figure that we are happy with over the length of his contract. The hold up on this transfer might not be the extra 3K, it could be more.
If the total costs are high, the length of contract we offer will be shorter than if the total costs are more in line with what we want to pay.
Afternoon Vegas, or is that good morning in your neck of the woods!
We've hit on this one before, for me, we go with Chicksen, what I've seen of him as a sub/cup games etc, he has the potential to make the step up imo, had he not picked up his ankle injury pre season I don't think Ward would have been here anyway. Centre backs and a keeper are the priority, and a play maker in midfield also. If we sell Ulloa, which is more than likely, we will have the funds to fill these positions. Thoughts?
Hi Tug.
In response to your 'thoughts' would the use of a signing on fee but keeping to the £10,000 a week help reach an agreement with Ward (signing on fee being on top of any weekly wage paid) ?
As far as Ulloa going I hope the club will hold out for £8 million ie a modest increase over the £7 million that reportedly we have already rejected from Leicester. I also wonder how closely Poyet is monitoring the situation.
Let's hope for a bit of positive news over the next few days.
[quote][p][bold]To baldly go[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: The Ward deal might actually hinge on the lad getting less that the 10K we contributed to his wages last season. When we borrowed him we had a need, and we were used to paying 10K a week toward the wages of Bridge, so doing a simillar deal for Ward wasn't really an issue. Today we are looking to buy the lad so the fee added to his wages, might be reaching a total cost that we don't like. Either the fee has to come down or his wages do to reach a figure that we are happy with over the length of his contract. The hold up on this transfer might not be the extra 3K, it could be more. If the total costs are high, the length of contract we offer will be shorter than if the total costs are more in line with what we want to pay.[/p][/quote]Afternoon Vegas, or is that good morning in your neck of the woods! We've hit on this one before, for me, we go with Chicksen, what I've seen of him as a sub/cup games etc, he has the potential to make the step up imo, had he not picked up his ankle injury pre season I don't think Ward would have been here anyway. Centre backs and a keeper are the priority, and a play maker in midfield also. If we sell Ulloa, which is more than likely, we will have the funds to fill these positions. Thoughts?[/p][/quote]Hi Tug. In response to your 'thoughts' would the use of a signing on fee but keeping to the £10,000 a week help reach an agreement with Ward (signing on fee being on top of any weekly wage paid) ? As far as Ulloa going I hope the club will hold out for £8 million ie a modest increase over the £7 million that reportedly we have already rejected from Leicester. I also wonder how closely Poyet is monitoring the situation. Let's hope for a bit of positive news over the next few days. ballantrrae
  • Score: -1

3:17pm Mon 30 Jun 14

tug509 says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
tug509 wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
The Ward deal might actually hinge on the lad getting less that the 10K we contributed to his wages last season. When we borrowed him we had a need, and we were used to paying 10K a week toward the wages of Bridge, so doing a simillar deal for Ward wasn't really an issue. Today we are looking to buy the lad so the fee added to his wages, might be reaching a total cost that we don't like. Either the fee has to come down or his wages do to reach a figure that we are happy with over the length of his contract. The hold up on this transfer might not be the extra 3K, it could be more.
If the total costs are high, the length of contract we offer will be shorter than if the total costs are more in line with what we want to pay.
I made this very point the other day Vegas ,but it seems that is not acceptable to some ,he takes 10k a week and no more ,regardless of how the bottom line is achieved .
Hi Tug.
As I see it is, Wolves face a year's wages bill of some 950K if they don't get him off their books, so they want him gone. Brighton, if we paid him 10K a week, and offer him a two year deal with an option on a further year, will have a certain 1 million payout excluding a transfer fee, add on a modest fee and out total could be 1.3 million.
Would Wolves scupper this deal for the sake of say 300K, if they don't move him on they are in for nearly a million in wages payout. Would Ward scupper the deal over 300K in wages over a two year period when he is gaurenteed a cool million over the same period.

I am left wondering if in fact we are offering less that 10K a week, maybe something closer to 8K, it could be us that are holding up this deal from going thru.
Hi Vegas ,agree with your maths ,but i would be surprised if Wolves wanted more than a peppercorn fee for him ,after all ,they didn`t want him last season or this one ,so it would not be in their interest to hold out for a higher fee than say 100k ,even if they let him go by MC they would have to pay him a very tidy sum ,so as far as they are concerned 100k see`s them quids in ,a similar style deal to Baldeseagulls would also suit all concerned imho . UTA
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: The Ward deal might actually hinge on the lad getting less that the 10K we contributed to his wages last season. When we borrowed him we had a need, and we were used to paying 10K a week toward the wages of Bridge, so doing a simillar deal for Ward wasn't really an issue. Today we are looking to buy the lad so the fee added to his wages, might be reaching a total cost that we don't like. Either the fee has to come down or his wages do to reach a figure that we are happy with over the length of his contract. The hold up on this transfer might not be the extra 3K, it could be more. If the total costs are high, the length of contract we offer will be shorter than if the total costs are more in line with what we want to pay.[/p][/quote]I made this very point the other day Vegas ,but it seems that is not acceptable to some ,he takes 10k a week and no more ,regardless of how the bottom line is achieved .[/p][/quote]Hi Tug. As I see it is, Wolves face a year's wages bill of some 950K if they don't get him off their books, so they want him gone. Brighton, if we paid him 10K a week, and offer him a two year deal with an option on a further year, will have a certain 1 million payout excluding a transfer fee, add on a modest fee and out total could be 1.3 million. Would Wolves scupper this deal for the sake of say 300K, if they don't move him on they are in for nearly a million in wages payout. Would Ward scupper the deal over 300K in wages over a two year period when he is gaurenteed a cool million over the same period. I am left wondering if in fact we are offering less that 10K a week, maybe something closer to 8K, it could be us that are holding up this deal from going thru.[/p][/quote]Hi Vegas ,agree with your maths ,but i would be surprised if Wolves wanted more than a peppercorn fee for him ,after all ,they didn`t want him last season or this one ,so it would not be in their interest to hold out for a higher fee than say 100k ,even if they let him go by MC they would have to pay him a very tidy sum ,so as far as they are concerned 100k see`s them quids in ,a similar style deal to Baldeseagulls would also suit all concerned imho . UTA tug509
  • Score: 0

3:25pm Mon 30 Jun 14

ballantrrae says...

AlfieT wrote:
ballantrrae wrote:
Jackett seems to be confirming that the Albion have expressed interest in Ward and that Ward might be interested in returning to the club. Whilst he says a deal has yet to be struck Jackett does not say one can't be done. So hopefully David Burke is trying to find a way of making Ward's permanent signing happen.
Off topic I see that in today's Mirror they are reporting that Ulloa intends to tell the club he wants to leave for the chance of Premier League football. Since there is 3 yeas left on his contract BHA should be in a relatively strong position depending on any 'buy out' clause in his contract. I realise that if a big enough offer is made that he will depart but I trust that Ulloa will at least listen to Hyypia before making any decision (some hope I know). The situation hasn't been helped by Ulloa's delayed return today because of travel difficulties.
Still feel that SH has been let down by Lee but think on reflection that we will be better off without him.
Decent reasoned post as always, agree about Leo if he wants out then with three years left, cash in and move on. Sammy Lee's decision is understandable, things happen for a reason, I'm certain another more than capable candidate isn't far away. Jacket seems a decent bloke, I'm sure he will assist Ward in a move away from Wolves and hopefully to us if the finances can be sorted. Frustrating, but patience is required.
Alfie T, I agree with your comment about needing patience which is not always easy especially in our current situation where we need about 6-7 players according to SH plus a No2 for SH as well. If Ulloa were to leave and Buckley (as other posters have suggested) then we would have to sign a further 2 players on top of that.
Difficult but interesting times.
[quote][p][bold]AlfieT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ballantrrae[/bold] wrote: Jackett seems to be confirming that the Albion have expressed interest in Ward and that Ward might be interested in returning to the club. Whilst he says a deal has yet to be struck Jackett does not say one can't be done. So hopefully David Burke is trying to find a way of making Ward's permanent signing happen. Off topic I see that in today's Mirror they are reporting that Ulloa intends to tell the club he wants to leave for the chance of Premier League football. Since there is 3 yeas left on his contract BHA should be in a relatively strong position depending on any 'buy out' clause in his contract. I realise that if a big enough offer is made that he will depart but I trust that Ulloa will at least listen to Hyypia before making any decision (some hope I know). The situation hasn't been helped by Ulloa's delayed return today because of travel difficulties. Still feel that SH has been let down by Lee but think on reflection that we will be better off without him.[/p][/quote]Decent reasoned post as always, agree about Leo if he wants out then with three years left, cash in and move on. Sammy Lee's decision is understandable, things happen for a reason, I'm certain another more than capable candidate isn't far away. Jacket seems a decent bloke, I'm sure he will assist Ward in a move away from Wolves and hopefully to us if the finances can be sorted. Frustrating, but patience is required.[/p][/quote]Alfie T, I agree with your comment about needing patience which is not always easy especially in our current situation where we need about 6-7 players according to SH plus a No2 for SH as well. If Ulloa were to leave and Buckley (as other posters have suggested) then we would have to sign a further 2 players on top of that. Difficult but interesting times. ballantrrae
  • Score: 1

3:31pm Mon 30 Jun 14

ballantrrae says...

ballantrrae wrote:
To baldly go wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
The Ward deal might actually hinge on the lad getting less that the 10K we contributed to his wages last season. When we borrowed him we had a need, and we were used to paying 10K a week toward the wages of Bridge, so doing a simillar deal for Ward wasn't really an issue. Today we are looking to buy the lad so the fee added to his wages, might be reaching a total cost that we don't like. Either the fee has to come down or his wages do to reach a figure that we are happy with over the length of his contract. The hold up on this transfer might not be the extra 3K, it could be more.
If the total costs are high, the length of contract we offer will be shorter than if the total costs are more in line with what we want to pay.
Afternoon Vegas, or is that good morning in your neck of the woods!
We've hit on this one before, for me, we go with Chicksen, what I've seen of him as a sub/cup games etc, he has the potential to make the step up imo, had he not picked up his ankle injury pre season I don't think Ward would have been here anyway. Centre backs and a keeper are the priority, and a play maker in midfield also. If we sell Ulloa, which is more than likely, we will have the funds to fill these positions. Thoughts?
Hi Tug.
In response to your 'thoughts' would the use of a signing on fee but keeping to the £10,000 a week help reach an agreement with Ward (signing on fee being on top of any weekly wage paid) ?
As far as Ulloa going I hope the club will hold out for £8 million ie a modest increase over the £7 million that reportedly we have already rejected from Leicester. I also wonder how closely Poyet is monitoring the situation.
Let's hope for a bit of positive news over the next few days.
Apologies to To Baldly Go, this should have been directed to your 'thoughts' question - apologies also to Tug509 for the wrong attributation.
[quote][p][bold]ballantrrae[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]To baldly go[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: The Ward deal might actually hinge on the lad getting less that the 10K we contributed to his wages last season. When we borrowed him we had a need, and we were used to paying 10K a week toward the wages of Bridge, so doing a simillar deal for Ward wasn't really an issue. Today we are looking to buy the lad so the fee added to his wages, might be reaching a total cost that we don't like. Either the fee has to come down or his wages do to reach a figure that we are happy with over the length of his contract. The hold up on this transfer might not be the extra 3K, it could be more. If the total costs are high, the length of contract we offer will be shorter than if the total costs are more in line with what we want to pay.[/p][/quote]Afternoon Vegas, or is that good morning in your neck of the woods! We've hit on this one before, for me, we go with Chicksen, what I've seen of him as a sub/cup games etc, he has the potential to make the step up imo, had he not picked up his ankle injury pre season I don't think Ward would have been here anyway. Centre backs and a keeper are the priority, and a play maker in midfield also. If we sell Ulloa, which is more than likely, we will have the funds to fill these positions. Thoughts?[/p][/quote]Hi Tug. In response to your 'thoughts' would the use of a signing on fee but keeping to the £10,000 a week help reach an agreement with Ward (signing on fee being on top of any weekly wage paid) ? As far as Ulloa going I hope the club will hold out for £8 million ie a modest increase over the £7 million that reportedly we have already rejected from Leicester. I also wonder how closely Poyet is monitoring the situation. Let's hope for a bit of positive news over the next few days.[/p][/quote]Apologies to To Baldly Go, this should have been directed to your 'thoughts' question - apologies also to Tug509 for the wrong attributation. ballantrrae
  • Score: 0

3:42pm Mon 30 Jun 14

mikeygit says...

A lot of good well thought out posts above. IMO I think we will get Ward--as said he wants to come back, Jacket will have a word with him, Brighton want him, we want him so lets get it done and take him to Spain.
As to Ulloa---you cannot blame him for being ambitious but he can only go on OUR terms and only if we have a replacement deal tied up in the wings!. With more players going our task of replacing them with quality is going to be challenging for Hypia to say the least. Once again very nervous time for us and BHA??
A lot of good well thought out posts above. IMO I think we will get Ward--as said he wants to come back, Jacket will have a word with him, Brighton want him, we want him so lets get it done and take him to Spain. As to Ulloa---you cannot blame him for being ambitious but he can only go on OUR terms and only if we have a replacement deal tied up in the wings!. With more players going our task of replacing them with quality is going to be challenging for Hypia to say the least. Once again very nervous time for us and BHA?? mikeygit
  • Score: 4

3:45pm Mon 30 Jun 14

tug509 says...

ballantrrae wrote:
To baldly go wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
The Ward deal might actually hinge on the lad getting less that the 10K we contributed to his wages last season. When we borrowed him we had a need, and we were used to paying 10K a week toward the wages of Bridge, so doing a simillar deal for Ward wasn't really an issue. Today we are looking to buy the lad so the fee added to his wages, might be reaching a total cost that we don't like. Either the fee has to come down or his wages do to reach a figure that we are happy with over the length of his contract. The hold up on this transfer might not be the extra 3K, it could be more.
If the total costs are high, the length of contract we offer will be shorter than if the total costs are more in line with what we want to pay.
Afternoon Vegas, or is that good morning in your neck of the woods!
We've hit on this one before, for me, we go with Chicksen, what I've seen of him as a sub/cup games etc, he has the potential to make the step up imo, had he not picked up his ankle injury pre season I don't think Ward would have been here anyway. Centre backs and a keeper are the priority, and a play maker in midfield also. If we sell Ulloa, which is more than likely, we will have the funds to fill these positions. Thoughts?
Hi Tug.
In response to your 'thoughts' would the use of a signing on fee but keeping to the £10,000 a week help reach an agreement with Ward (signing on fee being on top of any weekly wage paid) ?
As far as Ulloa going I hope the club will hold out for £8 million ie a modest increase over the £7 million that reportedly we have already rejected from Leicester. I also wonder how closely Poyet is monitoring the situation.
Let's hope for a bit of positive news over the next few days.
Hi Ballantrrae ,yes great idea ,i think if we on this site can come up with several thoughts on this problem ,then the suits must have as many more ,so the mind boggles as to why it is so difficult to resolve !.
I think we will lose Leo ,the second Leicester made an offer the writing was on the wall ,i hope your right and we hold out for £8m ,just as long as we get it done and dusted asap ,so as to get in any new signings ,i hope we have been monitoring replacement strikers for this eventuality or should i say inevitability . UTA
[quote][p][bold]ballantrrae[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]To baldly go[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: The Ward deal might actually hinge on the lad getting less that the 10K we contributed to his wages last season. When we borrowed him we had a need, and we were used to paying 10K a week toward the wages of Bridge, so doing a simillar deal for Ward wasn't really an issue. Today we are looking to buy the lad so the fee added to his wages, might be reaching a total cost that we don't like. Either the fee has to come down or his wages do to reach a figure that we are happy with over the length of his contract. The hold up on this transfer might not be the extra 3K, it could be more. If the total costs are high, the length of contract we offer will be shorter than if the total costs are more in line with what we want to pay.[/p][/quote]Afternoon Vegas, or is that good morning in your neck of the woods! We've hit on this one before, for me, we go with Chicksen, what I've seen of him as a sub/cup games etc, he has the potential to make the step up imo, had he not picked up his ankle injury pre season I don't think Ward would have been here anyway. Centre backs and a keeper are the priority, and a play maker in midfield also. If we sell Ulloa, which is more than likely, we will have the funds to fill these positions. Thoughts?[/p][/quote]Hi Tug. In response to your 'thoughts' would the use of a signing on fee but keeping to the £10,000 a week help reach an agreement with Ward (signing on fee being on top of any weekly wage paid) ? As far as Ulloa going I hope the club will hold out for £8 million ie a modest increase over the £7 million that reportedly we have already rejected from Leicester. I also wonder how closely Poyet is monitoring the situation. Let's hope for a bit of positive news over the next few days.[/p][/quote]Hi Ballantrrae ,yes great idea ,i think if we on this site can come up with several thoughts on this problem ,then the suits must have as many more ,so the mind boggles as to why it is so difficult to resolve !. I think we will lose Leo ,the second Leicester made an offer the writing was on the wall ,i hope your right and we hold out for £8m ,just as long as we get it done and dusted asap ,so as to get in any new signings ,i hope we have been monitoring replacement strikers for this eventuality or should i say inevitability . UTA tug509
  • Score: -5

4:05pm Mon 30 Jun 14

Mayfield sweeper says...

The way things are going I'm half expecting to find tomorrow that Hyypia has left and taken a job at god knows what club, without wanting to dramatise things, we do seem to struggle to get things done, and when they are it is only just and even then there's an element of doubt. A proactive approach is the answer, and a bit more money, offer ward a bit more and he's our player.
The way things are going I'm half expecting to find tomorrow that Hyypia has left and taken a job at god knows what club, without wanting to dramatise things, we do seem to struggle to get things done, and when they are it is only just and even then there's an element of doubt. A proactive approach is the answer, and a bit more money, offer ward a bit more and he's our player. Mayfield sweeper
  • Score: -2

4:06pm Mon 30 Jun 14

Plymouth Seagull says...

The good news is Calderon has signed a new one year deal
The good news is Calderon has signed a new one year deal Plymouth Seagull
  • Score: 8

4:19pm Mon 30 Jun 14

To baldly go says...

ballantrrae wrote:
ballantrrae wrote:
To baldly go wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
The Ward deal might actually hinge on the lad getting less that the 10K we contributed to his wages last season. When we borrowed him we had a need, and we were used to paying 10K a week toward the wages of Bridge, so doing a simillar deal for Ward wasn't really an issue. Today we are looking to buy the lad so the fee added to his wages, might be reaching a total cost that we don't like. Either the fee has to come down or his wages do to reach a figure that we are happy with over the length of his contract. The hold up on this transfer might not be the extra 3K, it could be more.
If the total costs are high, the length of contract we offer will be shorter than if the total costs are more in line with what we want to pay.
Afternoon Vegas, or is that good morning in your neck of the woods!
We've hit on this one before, for me, we go with Chicksen, what I've seen of him as a sub/cup games etc, he has the potential to make the step up imo, had he not picked up his ankle injury pre season I don't think Ward would have been here anyway. Centre backs and a keeper are the priority, and a play maker in midfield also. If we sell Ulloa, which is more than likely, we will have the funds to fill these positions. Thoughts?
Hi Tug.
In response to your 'thoughts' would the use of a signing on fee but keeping to the £10,000 a week help reach an agreement with Ward (signing on fee being on top of any weekly wage paid) ?
As far as Ulloa going I hope the club will hold out for £8 million ie a modest increase over the £7 million that reportedly we have already rejected from Leicester. I also wonder how closely Poyet is monitoring the situation.
Let's hope for a bit of positive news over the next few days.
Apologies to To Baldly Go, this should have been directed to your 'thoughts' question - apologies also to Tug509 for the wrong attributation.
Quite alright ballantrrae, easily done.
If Ward comes to us, so be it, at the right price though. We already have 2 LBs on the books (Chicksen and Maxi) not proven at Wards level I know, but I feel the money could be put to better use, ie, a keeper and a couple of centre backs.
On another note, sky sports news just about to do a bit on the Albion, could be interesting!
[quote][p][bold]ballantrrae[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ballantrrae[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]To baldly go[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: The Ward deal might actually hinge on the lad getting less that the 10K we contributed to his wages last season. When we borrowed him we had a need, and we were used to paying 10K a week toward the wages of Bridge, so doing a simillar deal for Ward wasn't really an issue. Today we are looking to buy the lad so the fee added to his wages, might be reaching a total cost that we don't like. Either the fee has to come down or his wages do to reach a figure that we are happy with over the length of his contract. The hold up on this transfer might not be the extra 3K, it could be more. If the total costs are high, the length of contract we offer will be shorter than if the total costs are more in line with what we want to pay.[/p][/quote]Afternoon Vegas, or is that good morning in your neck of the woods! We've hit on this one before, for me, we go with Chicksen, what I've seen of him as a sub/cup games etc, he has the potential to make the step up imo, had he not picked up his ankle injury pre season I don't think Ward would have been here anyway. Centre backs and a keeper are the priority, and a play maker in midfield also. If we sell Ulloa, which is more than likely, we will have the funds to fill these positions. Thoughts?[/p][/quote]Hi Tug. In response to your 'thoughts' would the use of a signing on fee but keeping to the £10,000 a week help reach an agreement with Ward (signing on fee being on top of any weekly wage paid) ? As far as Ulloa going I hope the club will hold out for £8 million ie a modest increase over the £7 million that reportedly we have already rejected from Leicester. I also wonder how closely Poyet is monitoring the situation. Let's hope for a bit of positive news over the next few days.[/p][/quote]Apologies to To Baldly Go, this should have been directed to your 'thoughts' question - apologies also to Tug509 for the wrong attributation.[/p][/quote]Quite alright ballantrrae, easily done. If Ward comes to us, so be it, at the right price though. We already have 2 LBs on the books (Chicksen and Maxi) not proven at Wards level I know, but I feel the money could be put to better use, ie, a keeper and a couple of centre backs. On another note, sky sports news just about to do a bit on the Albion, could be interesting! To baldly go
  • Score: 1

4:27pm Mon 30 Jun 14

To baldly go says...

To baldly go wrote:
ballantrrae wrote:
ballantrrae wrote:
To baldly go wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
The Ward deal might actually hinge on the lad getting less that the 10K we contributed to his wages last season. When we borrowed him we had a need, and we were used to paying 10K a week toward the wages of Bridge, so doing a simillar deal for Ward wasn't really an issue. Today we are looking to buy the lad so the fee added to his wages, might be reaching a total cost that we don't like. Either the fee has to come down or his wages do to reach a figure that we are happy with over the length of his contract. The hold up on this transfer might not be the extra 3K, it could be more.
If the total costs are high, the length of contract we offer will be shorter than if the total costs are more in line with what we want to pay.
Afternoon Vegas, or is that good morning in your neck of the woods!
We've hit on this one before, for me, we go with Chicksen, what I've seen of him as a sub/cup games etc, he has the potential to make the step up imo, had he not picked up his ankle injury pre season I don't think Ward would have been here anyway. Centre backs and a keeper are the priority, and a play maker in midfield also. If we sell Ulloa, which is more than likely, we will have the funds to fill these positions. Thoughts?
Hi Tug.
In response to your 'thoughts' would the use of a signing on fee but keeping to the £10,000 a week help reach an agreement with Ward (signing on fee being on top of any weekly wage paid) ?
As far as Ulloa going I hope the club will hold out for £8 million ie a modest increase over the £7 million that reportedly we have already rejected from Leicester. I also wonder how closely Poyet is monitoring the situation.
Let's hope for a bit of positive news over the next few days.
Apologies to To Baldly Go, this should have been directed to your 'thoughts' question - apologies also to Tug509 for the wrong attributation.
Quite alright ballantrrae, easily done.
If Ward comes to us, so be it, at the right price though. We already have 2 LBs on the books (Chicksen and Maxi) not proven at Wards level I know, but I feel the money could be put to better use, ie, a keeper and a couple of centre backs.
On another note, sky sports news just about to do a bit on the Albion, could be interesting!
Nothing in it, sky just asking Sami about FatLee doing the dirty on his mate!
[quote][p][bold]To baldly go[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ballantrrae[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ballantrrae[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]To baldly go[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: The Ward deal might actually hinge on the lad getting less that the 10K we contributed to his wages last season. When we borrowed him we had a need, and we were used to paying 10K a week toward the wages of Bridge, so doing a simillar deal for Ward wasn't really an issue. Today we are looking to buy the lad so the fee added to his wages, might be reaching a total cost that we don't like. Either the fee has to come down or his wages do to reach a figure that we are happy with over the length of his contract. The hold up on this transfer might not be the extra 3K, it could be more. If the total costs are high, the length of contract we offer will be shorter than if the total costs are more in line with what we want to pay.[/p][/quote]Afternoon Vegas, or is that good morning in your neck of the woods! We've hit on this one before, for me, we go with Chicksen, what I've seen of him as a sub/cup games etc, he has the potential to make the step up imo, had he not picked up his ankle injury pre season I don't think Ward would have been here anyway. Centre backs and a keeper are the priority, and a play maker in midfield also. If we sell Ulloa, which is more than likely, we will have the funds to fill these positions. Thoughts?[/p][/quote]Hi Tug. In response to your 'thoughts' would the use of a signing on fee but keeping to the £10,000 a week help reach an agreement with Ward (signing on fee being on top of any weekly wage paid) ? As far as Ulloa going I hope the club will hold out for £8 million ie a modest increase over the £7 million that reportedly we have already rejected from Leicester. I also wonder how closely Poyet is monitoring the situation. Let's hope for a bit of positive news over the next few days.[/p][/quote]Apologies to To Baldly Go, this should have been directed to your 'thoughts' question - apologies also to Tug509 for the wrong attributation.[/p][/quote]Quite alright ballantrrae, easily done. If Ward comes to us, so be it, at the right price though. We already have 2 LBs on the books (Chicksen and Maxi) not proven at Wards level I know, but I feel the money could be put to better use, ie, a keeper and a couple of centre backs. On another note, sky sports news just about to do a bit on the Albion, could be interesting![/p][/quote]Nothing in it, sky just asking Sami about FatLee doing the dirty on his mate! To baldly go
  • Score: 2

4:34pm Mon 30 Jun 14

arc12 says...

I'd like to see Ward stay but not being paid stupid money. The figures being quoted strengthen my feeling that we must play more development players this season. £10k or £13k a week is ridiculous IMO - no wonder so many clubs are up sh*t street.
I'd like to see Ward stay but not being paid stupid money. The figures being quoted strengthen my feeling that we must play more development players this season. £10k or £13k a week is ridiculous IMO - no wonder so many clubs are up sh*t street. arc12
  • Score: 4

4:40pm Mon 30 Jun 14

AGT999 says...

Plymouth Seagull wrote:
The good news is Calderon has signed a new one year deal
Great news, I would love to see him get involved with the training staff also. He is a good example to the younger players, has a great work ethic and appears to have a genuine love for Brighton. An excellent ambassador for our club.
[quote][p][bold]Plymouth Seagull[/bold] wrote: The good news is Calderon has signed a new one year deal[/p][/quote]Great news, I would love to see him get involved with the training staff also. He is a good example to the younger players, has a great work ethic and appears to have a genuine love for Brighton. An excellent ambassador for our club. AGT999
  • Score: 5

4:40pm Mon 30 Jun 14

AGT999 says...

Plymouth Seagull wrote:
The good news is Calderon has signed a new one year deal
Great news, I would love to see him get involved with the training staff also. He is a good example to the younger players, has a great work ethic and appears to have a genuine love for Brighton. An excellent ambassador for our club.
[quote][p][bold]Plymouth Seagull[/bold] wrote: The good news is Calderon has signed a new one year deal[/p][/quote]Great news, I would love to see him get involved with the training staff also. He is a good example to the younger players, has a great work ethic and appears to have a genuine love for Brighton. An excellent ambassador for our club. AGT999
  • Score: 1

4:54pm Mon 30 Jun 14

VegasSeagull says...

To all that replied ot my recent comments, thanks for the input.

Tug, if Wolves are prepared to take just 100K as a fee for Ward, and in the world of transfers 100K is zip, then why not let him go on a free if that is what it takes to get him off their books. In the same light, if paying out just 100K is what it would take the get the deal done, we would have paid it by now. I remain convinced that the weekly 10K figure is an issue, and not the reported 13K as I don't think we have any inentions of paying that figure.

As for the Ulloa deal, did Leicester offer 5 million or 7, until some light is shed on that matter it's very hard to have a firm opinion as to what we think the club should do. Seven million is a big fugure and if it was offered but declined, one wonders just how much we do want. Many fans will say that the club should not block Leo's chance of playing at the top level, but the same fans will say that we must get a proper price for him.
If seven million, plus add-ons, is seen by the majority of the fans as a fair price, the court of human opinion could sway in Leo's favor, as not accepting it could be seen as holding him back after he has done so much for us during the time he has worn the stripes.

Chicksen as our left sided defender, I can see the merits in that, but I say that based on what you guys have reported about his performances, you have all seen him play. If this happens then Maksi has a role to play as back up, if Ward does sign, then Maksi could be headed for the exit door as I just don't see where he would fit in, do we really need three options for that position, FFP an all that entails.
To all that replied ot my recent comments, thanks for the input. Tug, if Wolves are prepared to take just 100K as a fee for Ward, and in the world of transfers 100K is zip, then why not let him go on a free if that is what it takes to get him off their books. In the same light, if paying out just 100K is what it would take the get the deal done, we would have paid it by now. I remain convinced that the weekly 10K figure is an issue, and not the reported 13K as I don't think we have any inentions of paying that figure. As for the Ulloa deal, did Leicester offer 5 million or 7, until some light is shed on that matter it's very hard to have a firm opinion as to what we think the club should do. Seven million is a big fugure and if it was offered but declined, one wonders just how much we do want. Many fans will say that the club should not block Leo's chance of playing at the top level, but the same fans will say that we must get a proper price for him. If seven million, plus add-ons, is seen by the majority of the fans as a fair price, the court of human opinion could sway in Leo's favor, as not accepting it could be seen as holding him back after he has done so much for us during the time he has worn the stripes. Chicksen as our left sided defender, I can see the merits in that, but I say that based on what you guys have reported about his performances, you have all seen him play. If this happens then Maksi has a role to play as back up, if Ward does sign, then Maksi could be headed for the exit door as I just don't see where he would fit in, do we really need three options for that position, FFP an all that entails. VegasSeagull
  • Score: -1

4:56pm Mon 30 Jun 14

pte says...

Surely, if we could agree to 10k last year when we didn't know for sure how he would perform, we can agree to 12/13m with the extra cost almost covered by this year's increased ticket prices, sponsorship and a reduction in purchase fee. Plus we don't have to pay Upson's wages unless there's a big name player coming in
Surely, if we could agree to 10k last year when we didn't know for sure how he would perform, we can agree to 12/13m with the extra cost almost covered by this year's increased ticket prices, sponsorship and a reduction in purchase fee. Plus we don't have to pay Upson's wages unless there's a big name player coming in pte
  • Score: -2

5:01pm Mon 30 Jun 14

Grummitt says...

arc12 wrote:
I'd like to see Ward stay but not being paid stupid money. The figures being quoted strengthen my feeling that we must play more development players this season. £10k or £13k a week is ridiculous IMO - no wonder so many clubs are up sh*t street.
Talking of DS players just seen that Brennan Dickenson has just signed a 2 year deal for Gillingham. Pity he looked to have something about him. So that's one striker option we won't have.
[quote][p][bold]arc12[/bold] wrote: I'd like to see Ward stay but not being paid stupid money. The figures being quoted strengthen my feeling that we must play more development players this season. £10k or £13k a week is ridiculous IMO - no wonder so many clubs are up sh*t street.[/p][/quote]Talking of DS players just seen that Brennan Dickenson has just signed a 2 year deal for Gillingham. Pity he looked to have something about him. So that's one striker option we won't have. Grummitt
  • Score: 4

5:04pm Mon 30 Jun 14

AGT999 says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
To all that replied ot my recent comments, thanks for the input.

Tug, if Wolves are prepared to take just 100K as a fee for Ward, and in the world of transfers 100K is zip, then why not let him go on a free if that is what it takes to get him off their books. In the same light, if paying out just 100K is what it would take the get the deal done, we would have paid it by now. I remain convinced that the weekly 10K figure is an issue, and not the reported 13K as I don't think we have any inentions of paying that figure.

As for the Ulloa deal, did Leicester offer 5 million or 7, until some light is shed on that matter it's very hard to have a firm opinion as to what we think the club should do. Seven million is a big fugure and if it was offered but declined, one wonders just how much we do want. Many fans will say that the club should not block Leo's chance of playing at the top level, but the same fans will say that we must get a proper price for him.
If seven million, plus add-ons, is seen by the majority of the fans as a fair price, the court of human opinion could sway in Leo's favor, as not accepting it could be seen as holding him back after he has done so much for us during the time he has worn the stripes.

Chicksen as our left sided defender, I can see the merits in that, but I say that based on what you guys have reported about his performances, you have all seen him play. If this happens then Maksi has a role to play as back up, if Ward does sign, then Maksi could be headed for the exit door as I just don't see where he would fit in, do we really need three options for that position, FFP an all that entails.
Hi bruv, re. the Ulloa issue, the problem as I see it is, if you want to get In to the premiership you need players of his class, therefore, with his ambition. That quality of player is always going to be interested if a premiership club comes knocking. He still has about 3 years to run on his contract, perhaps the answer is to promise him a transfer next summer if we don't get promoted. It would be in his interest to keep his standards up plus we should still get good money for him with 2 years left on his contract.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: To all that replied ot my recent comments, thanks for the input. Tug, if Wolves are prepared to take just 100K as a fee for Ward, and in the world of transfers 100K is zip, then why not let him go on a free if that is what it takes to get him off their books. In the same light, if paying out just 100K is what it would take the get the deal done, we would have paid it by now. I remain convinced that the weekly 10K figure is an issue, and not the reported 13K as I don't think we have any inentions of paying that figure. As for the Ulloa deal, did Leicester offer 5 million or 7, until some light is shed on that matter it's very hard to have a firm opinion as to what we think the club should do. Seven million is a big fugure and if it was offered but declined, one wonders just how much we do want. Many fans will say that the club should not block Leo's chance of playing at the top level, but the same fans will say that we must get a proper price for him. If seven million, plus add-ons, is seen by the majority of the fans as a fair price, the court of human opinion could sway in Leo's favor, as not accepting it could be seen as holding him back after he has done so much for us during the time he has worn the stripes. Chicksen as our left sided defender, I can see the merits in that, but I say that based on what you guys have reported about his performances, you have all seen him play. If this happens then Maksi has a role to play as back up, if Ward does sign, then Maksi could be headed for the exit door as I just don't see where he would fit in, do we really need three options for that position, FFP an all that entails.[/p][/quote]Hi bruv, re. the Ulloa issue, the problem as I see it is, if you want to get In to the premiership you need players of his class, therefore, with his ambition. That quality of player is always going to be interested if a premiership club comes knocking. He still has about 3 years to run on his contract, perhaps the answer is to promise him a transfer next summer if we don't get promoted. It would be in his interest to keep his standards up plus we should still get good money for him with 2 years left on his contract. AGT999
  • Score: 2

5:05pm Mon 30 Jun 14

VegasSeagull says...

With two 10 million offers on the table for MacCormack, what does that do for the valuation of Ulloa?
With two 10 million offers on the table for MacCormack, what does that do for the valuation of Ulloa? VegasSeagull
  • Score: 0

5:07pm Mon 30 Jun 14

tug509 says...

Ankergren ,Bruno ,and Calderon sign new 1 year deals ,source ssn .
Ankergren ,Bruno ,and Calderon sign new 1 year deals ,source ssn . tug509
  • Score: 3

5:12pm Mon 30 Jun 14

To baldly go says...

Ward is 28 and playing international football, he will not be cheap! Wolves will want at least £500k at this point in time, come January that's another story! His next contract will be his last at this level, a 3 yr deal taking him to 31/32 yrs old, so he will be asking for every pound he can get! I think a parachute club will take a punt and pay his wage demands tbh, sooner rather than later so we can concentrate on other positions where we have NO cover.
Ward is 28 and playing international football, he will not be cheap! Wolves will want at least £500k at this point in time, come January that's another story! His next contract will be his last at this level, a 3 yr deal taking him to 31/32 yrs old, so he will be asking for every pound he can get! I think a parachute club will take a punt and pay his wage demands tbh, sooner rather than later so we can concentrate on other positions where we have NO cover. To baldly go
  • Score: 2

5:16pm Mon 30 Jun 14

VegasSeagull says...

AGT999 wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
To all that replied ot my recent comments, thanks for the input.

Tug, if Wolves are prepared to take just 100K as a fee for Ward, and in the world of transfers 100K is zip, then why not let him go on a free if that is what it takes to get him off their books. In the same light, if paying out just 100K is what it would take the get the deal done, we would have paid it by now. I remain convinced that the weekly 10K figure is an issue, and not the reported 13K as I don't think we have any inentions of paying that figure.

As for the Ulloa deal, did Leicester offer 5 million or 7, until some light is shed on that matter it's very hard to have a firm opinion as to what we think the club should do. Seven million is a big fugure and if it was offered but declined, one wonders just how much we do want. Many fans will say that the club should not block Leo's chance of playing at the top level, but the same fans will say that we must get a proper price for him.
If seven million, plus add-ons, is seen by the majority of the fans as a fair price, the court of human opinion could sway in Leo's favor, as not accepting it could be seen as holding him back after he has done so much for us during the time he has worn the stripes.

Chicksen as our left sided defender, I can see the merits in that, but I say that based on what you guys have reported about his performances, you have all seen him play. If this happens then Maksi has a role to play as back up, if Ward does sign, then Maksi could be headed for the exit door as I just don't see where he would fit in, do we really need three options for that position, FFP an all that entails.
Hi bruv, re. the Ulloa issue, the problem as I see it is, if you want to get In to the premiership you need players of his class, therefore, with his ambition. That quality of player is always going to be interested if a premiership club comes knocking. He still has about 3 years to run on his contract, perhaps the answer is to promise him a transfer next summer if we don't get promoted. It would be in his interest to keep his standards up plus we should still get good money for him with 2 years left on his contract.
Hi Bro.
Yeah I get your thinking but Ulloa needs some quality around him to have a good season, and he needs to be totally on song, what happens if either or both are not right. He has his suitors right now because of what he has already achieved, if he had a less than decent coming season with us his fee could drop like a stone.
Promotion for us will come when we have a squad capable of getting it, and that squad will have to be pretty darn good, so yes we need quality players on the books but if we get promoted surely it will be because we have quality players on the books, so Ulloa going shouldn't block our chances as he will be replaced. One player won't get us there.

Is it just my PC or has the type size changed for you guys too?
[quote][p][bold]AGT999[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: To all that replied ot my recent comments, thanks for the input. Tug, if Wolves are prepared to take just 100K as a fee for Ward, and in the world of transfers 100K is zip, then why not let him go on a free if that is what it takes to get him off their books. In the same light, if paying out just 100K is what it would take the get the deal done, we would have paid it by now. I remain convinced that the weekly 10K figure is an issue, and not the reported 13K as I don't think we have any inentions of paying that figure. As for the Ulloa deal, did Leicester offer 5 million or 7, until some light is shed on that matter it's very hard to have a firm opinion as to what we think the club should do. Seven million is a big fugure and if it was offered but declined, one wonders just how much we do want. Many fans will say that the club should not block Leo's chance of playing at the top level, but the same fans will say that we must get a proper price for him. If seven million, plus add-ons, is seen by the majority of the fans as a fair price, the court of human opinion could sway in Leo's favor, as not accepting it could be seen as holding him back after he has done so much for us during the time he has worn the stripes. Chicksen as our left sided defender, I can see the merits in that, but I say that based on what you guys have reported about his performances, you have all seen him play. If this happens then Maksi has a role to play as back up, if Ward does sign, then Maksi could be headed for the exit door as I just don't see where he would fit in, do we really need three options for that position, FFP an all that entails.[/p][/quote]Hi bruv, re. the Ulloa issue, the problem as I see it is, if you want to get In to the premiership you need players of his class, therefore, with his ambition. That quality of player is always going to be interested if a premiership club comes knocking. He still has about 3 years to run on his contract, perhaps the answer is to promise him a transfer next summer if we don't get promoted. It would be in his interest to keep his standards up plus we should still get good money for him with 2 years left on his contract.[/p][/quote]Hi Bro. Yeah I get your thinking but Ulloa needs some quality around him to have a good season, and he needs to be totally on song, what happens if either or both are not right. He has his suitors right now because of what he has already achieved, if he had a less than decent coming season with us his fee could drop like a stone. Promotion for us will come when we have a squad capable of getting it, and that squad will have to be pretty darn good, so yes we need quality players on the books but if we get promoted surely it will be because we have quality players on the books, so Ulloa going shouldn't block our chances as he will be replaced. One player won't get us there. Is it just my PC or has the type size changed for you guys too? VegasSeagull
  • Score: 2

5:27pm Mon 30 Jun 14

To baldly go says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
AGT999 wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
To all that replied ot my recent comments, thanks for the input.

Tug, if Wolves are prepared to take just 100K as a fee for Ward, and in the world of transfers 100K is zip, then why not let him go on a free if that is what it takes to get him off their books. In the same light, if paying out just 100K is what it would take the get the deal done, we would have paid it by now. I remain convinced that the weekly 10K figure is an issue, and not the reported 13K as I don't think we have any inentions of paying that figure.

As for the Ulloa deal, did Leicester offer 5 million or 7, until some light is shed on that matter it's very hard to have a firm opinion as to what we think the club should do. Seven million is a big fugure and if it was offered but declined, one wonders just how much we do want. Many fans will say that the club should not block Leo's chance of playing at the top level, but the same fans will say that we must get a proper price for him.
If seven million, plus add-ons, is seen by the majority of the fans as a fair price, the court of human opinion could sway in Leo's favor, as not accepting it could be seen as holding him back after he has done so much for us during the time he has worn the stripes.

Chicksen as our left sided defender, I can see the merits in that, but I say that based on what you guys have reported about his performances, you have all seen him play. If this happens then Maksi has a role to play as back up, if Ward does sign, then Maksi could be headed for the exit door as I just don't see where he would fit in, do we really need three options for that position, FFP an all that entails.
Hi bruv, re. the Ulloa issue, the problem as I see it is, if you want to get In to the premiership you need players of his class, therefore, with his ambition. That quality of player is always going to be interested if a premiership club comes knocking. He still has about 3 years to run on his contract, perhaps the answer is to promise him a transfer next summer if we don't get promoted. It would be in his interest to keep his standards up plus we should still get good money for him with 2 years left on his contract.
Hi Bro.
Yeah I get your thinking but Ulloa needs some quality around him to have a good season, and he needs to be totally on song, what happens if either or both are not right. He has his suitors right now because of what he has already achieved, if he had a less than decent coming season with us his fee could drop like a stone.
Promotion for us will come when we have a squad capable of getting it, and that squad will have to be pretty darn good, so yes we need quality players on the books but if we get promoted surely it will be because we have quality players on the books, so Ulloa going shouldn't block our chances as he will be replaced. One player won't get us there.

Is it just my PC or has the type size changed for you guys too?
Yes Vegas, easier for yes oldens to read! Lol
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AGT999[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: To all that replied ot my recent comments, thanks for the input. Tug, if Wolves are prepared to take just 100K as a fee for Ward, and in the world of transfers 100K is zip, then why not let him go on a free if that is what it takes to get him off their books. In the same light, if paying out just 100K is what it would take the get the deal done, we would have paid it by now. I remain convinced that the weekly 10K figure is an issue, and not the reported 13K as I don't think we have any inentions of paying that figure. As for the Ulloa deal, did Leicester offer 5 million or 7, until some light is shed on that matter it's very hard to have a firm opinion as to what we think the club should do. Seven million is a big fugure and if it was offered but declined, one wonders just how much we do want. Many fans will say that the club should not block Leo's chance of playing at the top level, but the same fans will say that we must get a proper price for him. If seven million, plus add-ons, is seen by the majority of the fans as a fair price, the court of human opinion could sway in Leo's favor, as not accepting it could be seen as holding him back after he has done so much for us during the time he has worn the stripes. Chicksen as our left sided defender, I can see the merits in that, but I say that based on what you guys have reported about his performances, you have all seen him play. If this happens then Maksi has a role to play as back up, if Ward does sign, then Maksi could be headed for the exit door as I just don't see where he would fit in, do we really need three options for that position, FFP an all that entails.[/p][/quote]Hi bruv, re. the Ulloa issue, the problem as I see it is, if you want to get In to the premiership you need players of his class, therefore, with his ambition. That quality of player is always going to be interested if a premiership club comes knocking. He still has about 3 years to run on his contract, perhaps the answer is to promise him a transfer next summer if we don't get promoted. It would be in his interest to keep his standards up plus we should still get good money for him with 2 years left on his contract.[/p][/quote]Hi Bro. Yeah I get your thinking but Ulloa needs some quality around him to have a good season, and he needs to be totally on song, what happens if either or both are not right. He has his suitors right now because of what he has already achieved, if he had a less than decent coming season with us his fee could drop like a stone. Promotion for us will come when we have a squad capable of getting it, and that squad will have to be pretty darn good, so yes we need quality players on the books but if we get promoted surely it will be because we have quality players on the books, so Ulloa going shouldn't block our chances as he will be replaced. One player won't get us there. Is it just my PC or has the type size changed for you guys too?[/p][/quote]Yes Vegas, easier for yes oldens to read! Lol To baldly go
  • Score: 0

5:32pm Mon 30 Jun 14

VegasSeagull says...

To baldly go wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
AGT999 wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
To all that replied ot my recent comments, thanks for the input.

Tug, if Wolves are prepared to take just 100K as a fee for Ward, and in the world of transfers 100K is zip, then why not let him go on a free if that is what it takes to get him off their books. In the same light, if paying out just 100K is what it would take the get the deal done, we would have paid it by now. I remain convinced that the weekly 10K figure is an issue, and not the reported 13K as I don't think we have any inentions of paying that figure.

As for the Ulloa deal, did Leicester offer 5 million or 7, until some light is shed on that matter it's very hard to have a firm opinion as to what we think the club should do. Seven million is a big fugure and if it was offered but declined, one wonders just how much we do want. Many fans will say that the club should not block Leo's chance of playing at the top level, but the same fans will say that we must get a proper price for him.
If seven million, plus add-ons, is seen by the majority of the fans as a fair price, the court of human opinion could sway in Leo's favor, as not accepting it could be seen as holding him back after he has done so much for us during the time he has worn the stripes.

Chicksen as our left sided defender, I can see the merits in that, but I say that based on what you guys have reported about his performances, you have all seen him play. If this happens then Maksi has a role to play as back up, if Ward does sign, then Maksi could be headed for the exit door as I just don't see where he would fit in, do we really need three options for that position, FFP an all that entails.
Hi bruv, re. the Ulloa issue, the problem as I see it is, if you want to get In to the premiership you need players of his class, therefore, with his ambition. That quality of player is always going to be interested if a premiership club comes knocking. He still has about 3 years to run on his contract, perhaps the answer is to promise him a transfer next summer if we don't get promoted. It would be in his interest to keep his standards up plus we should still get good money for him with 2 years left on his contract.
Hi Bro.
Yeah I get your thinking but Ulloa needs some quality around him to have a good season, and he needs to be totally on song, what happens if either or both are not right. He has his suitors right now because of what he has already achieved, if he had a less than decent coming season with us his fee could drop like a stone.
Promotion for us will come when we have a squad capable of getting it, and that squad will have to be pretty darn good, so yes we need quality players on the books but if we get promoted surely it will be because we have quality players on the books, so Ulloa going shouldn't block our chances as he will be replaced. One player won't get us there.

Is it just my PC or has the type size changed for you guys too?
Yes Vegas, easier for yes oldens to read! Lol
TBG easier, man to me it looks smaller, maybe time I got my reading glasses improved.
[quote][p][bold]To baldly go[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AGT999[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: To all that replied ot my recent comments, thanks for the input. Tug, if Wolves are prepared to take just 100K as a fee for Ward, and in the world of transfers 100K is zip, then why not let him go on a free if that is what it takes to get him off their books. In the same light, if paying out just 100K is what it would take the get the deal done, we would have paid it by now. I remain convinced that the weekly 10K figure is an issue, and not the reported 13K as I don't think we have any inentions of paying that figure. As for the Ulloa deal, did Leicester offer 5 million or 7, until some light is shed on that matter it's very hard to have a firm opinion as to what we think the club should do. Seven million is a big fugure and if it was offered but declined, one wonders just how much we do want. Many fans will say that the club should not block Leo's chance of playing at the top level, but the same fans will say that we must get a proper price for him. If seven million, plus add-ons, is seen by the majority of the fans as a fair price, the court of human opinion could sway in Leo's favor, as not accepting it could be seen as holding him back after he has done so much for us during the time he has worn the stripes. Chicksen as our left sided defender, I can see the merits in that, but I say that based on what you guys have reported about his performances, you have all seen him play. If this happens then Maksi has a role to play as back up, if Ward does sign, then Maksi could be headed for the exit door as I just don't see where he would fit in, do we really need three options for that position, FFP an all that entails.[/p][/quote]Hi bruv, re. the Ulloa issue, the problem as I see it is, if you want to get In to the premiership you need players of his class, therefore, with his ambition. That quality of player is always going to be interested if a premiership club comes knocking. He still has about 3 years to run on his contract, perhaps the answer is to promise him a transfer next summer if we don't get promoted. It would be in his interest to keep his standards up plus we should still get good money for him with 2 years left on his contract.[/p][/quote]Hi Bro. Yeah I get your thinking but Ulloa needs some quality around him to have a good season, and he needs to be totally on song, what happens if either or both are not right. He has his suitors right now because of what he has already achieved, if he had a less than decent coming season with us his fee could drop like a stone. Promotion for us will come when we have a squad capable of getting it, and that squad will have to be pretty darn good, so yes we need quality players on the books but if we get promoted surely it will be because we have quality players on the books, so Ulloa going shouldn't block our chances as he will be replaced. One player won't get us there. Is it just my PC or has the type size changed for you guys too?[/p][/quote]Yes Vegas, easier for yes oldens to read! Lol[/p][/quote]TBG easier, man to me it looks smaller, maybe time I got my reading glasses improved. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 1

5:32pm Mon 30 Jun 14

tug509 says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
To all that replied ot my recent comments, thanks for the input.

Tug, if Wolves are prepared to take just 100K as a fee for Ward, and in the world of transfers 100K is zip, then why not let him go on a free if that is what it takes to get him off their books. In the same light, if paying out just 100K is what it would take the get the deal done, we would have paid it by now. I remain convinced that the weekly 10K figure is an issue, and not the reported 13K as I don't think we have any inentions of paying that figure.

As for the Ulloa deal, did Leicester offer 5 million or 7, until some light is shed on that matter it's very hard to have a firm opinion as to what we think the club should do. Seven million is a big fugure and if it was offered but declined, one wonders just how much we do want. Many fans will say that the club should not block Leo's chance of playing at the top level, but the same fans will say that we must get a proper price for him.
If seven million, plus add-ons, is seen by the majority of the fans as a fair price, the court of human opinion could sway in Leo's favor, as not accepting it could be seen as holding him back after he has done so much for us during the time he has worn the stripes.

Chicksen as our left sided defender, I can see the merits in that, but I say that based on what you guys have reported about his performances, you have all seen him play. If this happens then Maksi has a role to play as back up, if Ward does sign, then Maksi could be headed for the exit door as I just don't see where he would fit in, do we really need three options for that position, FFP an all that entails.
I was going by the figures that have been talked about over the last few days with regard SW ,which i think are likely to be close . My way of thinking was :

Wolves have made it clear they have no use for the lad .
SW has only 1 year left on his contract ,so if they dont want him he can walk for free this time next year ,but Wolves would have to pay his wages as you pointed out ,best part of £1m ! ,so in order to get him of their wage bill and get at least a small fee is far wiser than holding out for a larger fee that may never come ,even if someone like a relegated side go for him ,they will not spend big when Wolves have already shown their hand omo . UTA
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: To all that replied ot my recent comments, thanks for the input. Tug, if Wolves are prepared to take just 100K as a fee for Ward, and in the world of transfers 100K is zip, then why not let him go on a free if that is what it takes to get him off their books. In the same light, if paying out just 100K is what it would take the get the deal done, we would have paid it by now. I remain convinced that the weekly 10K figure is an issue, and not the reported 13K as I don't think we have any inentions of paying that figure. As for the Ulloa deal, did Leicester offer 5 million or 7, until some light is shed on that matter it's very hard to have a firm opinion as to what we think the club should do. Seven million is a big fugure and if it was offered but declined, one wonders just how much we do want. Many fans will say that the club should not block Leo's chance of playing at the top level, but the same fans will say that we must get a proper price for him. If seven million, plus add-ons, is seen by the majority of the fans as a fair price, the court of human opinion could sway in Leo's favor, as not accepting it could be seen as holding him back after he has done so much for us during the time he has worn the stripes. Chicksen as our left sided defender, I can see the merits in that, but I say that based on what you guys have reported about his performances, you have all seen him play. If this happens then Maksi has a role to play as back up, if Ward does sign, then Maksi could be headed for the exit door as I just don't see where he would fit in, do we really need three options for that position, FFP an all that entails.[/p][/quote]I was going by the figures that have been talked about over the last few days with regard SW ,which i think are likely to be close . My way of thinking was : Wolves have made it clear they have no use for the lad . SW has only 1 year left on his contract ,so if they dont want him he can walk for free this time next year ,but Wolves would have to pay his wages as you pointed out ,best part of £1m ! ,so in order to get him of their wage bill and get at least a small fee is far wiser than holding out for a larger fee that may never come ,even if someone like a relegated side go for him ,they will not spend big when Wolves have already shown their hand omo . UTA tug509
  • Score: 0

5:46pm Mon 30 Jun 14

brighton bluenose says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
The Mirror comments re Ulloa, if correct, are offering details that can only have come from, 'inside knowledge,' 7 million offer turned down, the last number this paper, or any other for that matter, reported on was 5 million.
Ulloa will ask to go, how does the Mirror know that, someone is leaking info?
The travel delay stopping Leo returning promptly is rather convenient, the lad surely had enough time to book his flight back, this could suggest that the Mirror article actually has some legs.

My guess, for what it's worth, and 'if,' 7 million has been offered but declined, Brighton will be looking for an 8 million deal to go wth a transfer request by Leo, thus pushing the total to a minimum of 8.5 miliion in terms of what we get, plus add-ons. If such as offer is on the table I don't really see how Brighton can turn it down.
Someone leaking info? Or more likely the Mirror making something up that other media sources then repeat as if it's a fact all summer until hopefully nothing happens!!
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: The Mirror comments re Ulloa, if correct, are offering details that can only have come from, 'inside knowledge,' 7 million offer turned down, the last number this paper, or any other for that matter, reported on was 5 million. Ulloa will ask to go, how does the Mirror know that, someone is leaking info? The travel delay stopping Leo returning promptly is rather convenient, the lad surely had enough time to book his flight back, this could suggest that the Mirror article actually has some legs. My guess, for what it's worth, and 'if,' 7 million has been offered but declined, Brighton will be looking for an 8 million deal to go wth a transfer request by Leo, thus pushing the total to a minimum of 8.5 miliion in terms of what we get, plus add-ons. If such as offer is on the table I don't really see how Brighton can turn it down.[/p][/quote]Someone leaking info? Or more likely the Mirror making something up that other media sources then repeat as if it's a fact all summer until hopefully nothing happens!! brighton bluenose
  • Score: 0

5:51pm Mon 30 Jun 14

VegasSeagull says...

gonna hit 110f at my house today, anyone wanna swap for a couple of months?

As I see it the whole Ward deal hinges on wages and length of contract offered, do we really want to pay 13K a week for maybe three years, if we were to get promoted during that time could we sell him on with an accompnaying wage of that size?
What ever deal we offer has to be one that doesn't bite us in the butt, but is fair to the player. If we didn't have Chicksen maybe the deal for Ward would be done by now but in Chicksen we do have an option, so we are not desperate.

Mr. Ward, do yourself a favor, take the deal we are offering you and secure your future fo the next two or three years. A bird in the hand as they say is better than two in the bush. You have had quite a few years in the game and if you haven't banked enough cash by now, there aint much point in trying to do it all in your last decent contract period that's ever going to be offered to you.
gonna hit 110f at my house today, anyone wanna swap for a couple of months? As I see it the whole Ward deal hinges on wages and length of contract offered, do we really want to pay 13K a week for maybe three years, if we were to get promoted during that time could we sell him on with an accompnaying wage of that size? What ever deal we offer has to be one that doesn't bite us in the butt, but is fair to the player. If we didn't have Chicksen maybe the deal for Ward would be done by now but in Chicksen we do have an option, so we are not desperate. Mr. Ward, do yourself a favor, take the deal we are offering you and secure your future fo the next two or three years. A bird in the hand as they say is better than two in the bush. You have had quite a few years in the game and if you haven't banked enough cash by now, there aint much point in trying to do it all in your last decent contract period that's ever going to be offered to you. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 2

5:59pm Mon 30 Jun 14

gordongull says...

tug509 wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
To all that replied ot my recent comments, thanks for the input.

Tug, if Wolves are prepared to take just 100K as a fee for Ward, and in the world of transfers 100K is zip, then why not let him go on a free if that is what it takes to get him off their books. In the same light, if paying out just 100K is what it would take the get the deal done, we would have paid it by now. I remain convinced that the weekly 10K figure is an issue, and not the reported 13K as I don't think we have any inentions of paying that figure.

As for the Ulloa deal, did Leicester offer 5 million or 7, until some light is shed on that matter it's very hard to have a firm opinion as to what we think the club should do. Seven million is a big fugure and if it was offered but declined, one wonders just how much we do want. Many fans will say that the club should not block Leo's chance of playing at the top level, but the same fans will say that we must get a proper price for him.
If seven million, plus add-ons, is seen by the majority of the fans as a fair price, the court of human opinion could sway in Leo's favor, as not accepting it could be seen as holding him back after he has done so much for us during the time he has worn the stripes.

Chicksen as our left sided defender, I can see the merits in that, but I say that based on what you guys have reported about his performances, you have all seen him play. If this happens then Maksi has a role to play as back up, if Ward does sign, then Maksi could be headed for the exit door as I just don't see where he would fit in, do we really need three options for that position, FFP an all that entails.
I was going by the figures that have been talked about over the last few days with regard SW ,which i think are likely to be close . My way of thinking was :

Wolves have made it clear they have no use for the lad .
SW has only 1 year left on his contract ,so if they dont want him he can walk for free this time next year ,but Wolves would have to pay his wages as you pointed out ,best part of £1m ! ,so in order to get him of their wage bill and get at least a small fee is far wiser than holding out for a larger fee that may never come ,even if someone like a relegated side go for him ,they will not spend big when Wolves have already shown their hand omo . UTA
I think the fee is negotiable, tug, but as Vegas has deduced, Ward's wages are not. He is likely to hold out for the equivalent of what is guaranteed in his contract.
This is about what Ward wants, and if someone doesn't come up with the 13k a week, there is no viable alternative to him staying put.
[quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: To all that replied ot my recent comments, thanks for the input. Tug, if Wolves are prepared to take just 100K as a fee for Ward, and in the world of transfers 100K is zip, then why not let him go on a free if that is what it takes to get him off their books. In the same light, if paying out just 100K is what it would take the get the deal done, we would have paid it by now. I remain convinced that the weekly 10K figure is an issue, and not the reported 13K as I don't think we have any inentions of paying that figure. As for the Ulloa deal, did Leicester offer 5 million or 7, until some light is shed on that matter it's very hard to have a firm opinion as to what we think the club should do. Seven million is a big fugure and if it was offered but declined, one wonders just how much we do want. Many fans will say that the club should not block Leo's chance of playing at the top level, but the same fans will say that we must get a proper price for him. If seven million, plus add-ons, is seen by the majority of the fans as a fair price, the court of human opinion could sway in Leo's favor, as not accepting it could be seen as holding him back after he has done so much for us during the time he has worn the stripes. Chicksen as our left sided defender, I can see the merits in that, but I say that based on what you guys have reported about his performances, you have all seen him play. If this happens then Maksi has a role to play as back up, if Ward does sign, then Maksi could be headed for the exit door as I just don't see where he would fit in, do we really need three options for that position, FFP an all that entails.[/p][/quote]I was going by the figures that have been talked about over the last few days with regard SW ,which i think are likely to be close . My way of thinking was : Wolves have made it clear they have no use for the lad . SW has only 1 year left on his contract ,so if they dont want him he can walk for free this time next year ,but Wolves would have to pay his wages as you pointed out ,best part of £1m ! ,so in order to get him of their wage bill and get at least a small fee is far wiser than holding out for a larger fee that may never come ,even if someone like a relegated side go for him ,they will not spend big when Wolves have already shown their hand omo . UTA[/p][/quote]I think the fee is negotiable, tug, but as Vegas has deduced, Ward's wages are not. He is likely to hold out for the equivalent of what is guaranteed in his contract. This is about what Ward wants, and if someone doesn't come up with the 13k a week, there is no viable alternative to him staying put. gordongull
  • Score: 1

6:08pm Mon 30 Jun 14

VegasSeagull says...

gordongull wrote:
tug509 wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
To all that replied ot my recent comments, thanks for the input.

Tug, if Wolves are prepared to take just 100K as a fee for Ward, and in the world of transfers 100K is zip, then why not let him go on a free if that is what it takes to get him off their books. In the same light, if paying out just 100K is what it would take the get the deal done, we would have paid it by now. I remain convinced that the weekly 10K figure is an issue, and not the reported 13K as I don't think we have any inentions of paying that figure.

As for the Ulloa deal, did Leicester offer 5 million or 7, until some light is shed on that matter it's very hard to have a firm opinion as to what we think the club should do. Seven million is a big fugure and if it was offered but declined, one wonders just how much we do want. Many fans will say that the club should not block Leo's chance of playing at the top level, but the same fans will say that we must get a proper price for him.
If seven million, plus add-ons, is seen by the majority of the fans as a fair price, the court of human opinion could sway in Leo's favor, as not accepting it could be seen as holding him back after he has done so much for us during the time he has worn the stripes.

Chicksen as our left sided defender, I can see the merits in that, but I say that based on what you guys have reported about his performances, you have all seen him play. If this happens then Maksi has a role to play as back up, if Ward does sign, then Maksi could be headed for the exit door as I just don't see where he would fit in, do we really need three options for that position, FFP an all that entails.
I was going by the figures that have been talked about over the last few days with regard SW ,which i think are likely to be close . My way of thinking was :

Wolves have made it clear they have no use for the lad .
SW has only 1 year left on his contract ,so if they dont want him he can walk for free this time next year ,but Wolves would have to pay his wages as you pointed out ,best part of £1m ! ,so in order to get him of their wage bill and get at least a small fee is far wiser than holding out for a larger fee that may never come ,even if someone like a relegated side go for him ,they will not spend big when Wolves have already shown their hand omo . UTA
I think the fee is negotiable, tug, but as Vegas has deduced, Ward's wages are not. He is likely to hold out for the equivalent of what is guaranteed in his contract.
This is about what Ward wants, and if someone doesn't come up with the 13k a week, there is no viable alternative to him staying put.
When you consider what a good season Ward had last year I can help wondering why Wolves don't want to keep him, other than the cost of his wages, this, I am certain, is the problem both for Wolves and us.
Gordon you are probably right when you say that Ward can just sit out the rest of his contract, but if he indicates that that is his intention, Wolves just might consider putting him in their starting eleven. If you gotta pay him then why not play him, they know he is good enough.
[quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: To all that replied ot my recent comments, thanks for the input. Tug, if Wolves are prepared to take just 100K as a fee for Ward, and in the world of transfers 100K is zip, then why not let him go on a free if that is what it takes to get him off their books. In the same light, if paying out just 100K is what it would take the get the deal done, we would have paid it by now. I remain convinced that the weekly 10K figure is an issue, and not the reported 13K as I don't think we have any inentions of paying that figure. As for the Ulloa deal, did Leicester offer 5 million or 7, until some light is shed on that matter it's very hard to have a firm opinion as to what we think the club should do. Seven million is a big fugure and if it was offered but declined, one wonders just how much we do want. Many fans will say that the club should not block Leo's chance of playing at the top level, but the same fans will say that we must get a proper price for him. If seven million, plus add-ons, is seen by the majority of the fans as a fair price, the court of human opinion could sway in Leo's favor, as not accepting it could be seen as holding him back after he has done so much for us during the time he has worn the stripes. Chicksen as our left sided defender, I can see the merits in that, but I say that based on what you guys have reported about his performances, you have all seen him play. If this happens then Maksi has a role to play as back up, if Ward does sign, then Maksi could be headed for the exit door as I just don't see where he would fit in, do we really need three options for that position, FFP an all that entails.[/p][/quote]I was going by the figures that have been talked about over the last few days with regard SW ,which i think are likely to be close . My way of thinking was : Wolves have made it clear they have no use for the lad . SW has only 1 year left on his contract ,so if they dont want him he can walk for free this time next year ,but Wolves would have to pay his wages as you pointed out ,best part of £1m ! ,so in order to get him of their wage bill and get at least a small fee is far wiser than holding out for a larger fee that may never come ,even if someone like a relegated side go for him ,they will not spend big when Wolves have already shown their hand omo . UTA[/p][/quote]I think the fee is negotiable, tug, but as Vegas has deduced, Ward's wages are not. He is likely to hold out for the equivalent of what is guaranteed in his contract. This is about what Ward wants, and if someone doesn't come up with the 13k a week, there is no viable alternative to him staying put.[/p][/quote]When you consider what a good season Ward had last year I can help wondering why Wolves don't want to keep him, other than the cost of his wages, this, I am certain, is the problem both for Wolves and us. Gordon you are probably right when you say that Ward can just sit out the rest of his contract, but if he indicates that that is his intention, Wolves just might consider putting him in their starting eleven. If you gotta pay him then why not play him, they know he is good enough. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 2

6:10pm Mon 30 Jun 14

WisdomSpeaks says...

A lot has been expressed on various subjects but the one undeniable fact is that our beloved club has been involved in what can only be described as 'significant dramas' at the same stage of the past three seasons. This is now a pattern which sadly usually indicates an underlying problem is present.

I sincerely hope we get to the bottom of these problems instead of papering over the cracks. As pretty as our stadium and training facility are these do not make a football club!
A lot has been expressed on various subjects but the one undeniable fact is that our beloved club has been involved in what can only be described as 'significant dramas' at the same stage of the past three seasons. This is now a pattern which sadly usually indicates an underlying problem is present. I sincerely hope we get to the bottom of these problems instead of papering over the cracks. As pretty as our stadium and training facility are these do not make a football club! WisdomSpeaks
  • Score: -2

6:35pm Mon 30 Jun 14

gordongull says...

WisdomSpeaks wrote:
A lot has been expressed on various subjects but the one undeniable fact is that our beloved club has been involved in what can only be described as 'significant dramas' at the same stage of the past three seasons. This is now a pattern which sadly usually indicates an underlying problem is present.

I sincerely hope we get to the bottom of these problems instead of papering over the cracks. As pretty as our stadium and training facility are these do not make a football club!
The underlying problem is money, WisdomSpeaks.
Traditionally, football clubs throw money at problems, and they go away, (at least in the short term).
While many clubs still see that as the way forward, and some of them actually have the cash to throw around, B&HA is taking a more responsible route.
[quote][p][bold]WisdomSpeaks[/bold] wrote: A lot has been expressed on various subjects but the one undeniable fact is that our beloved club has been involved in what can only be described as 'significant dramas' at the same stage of the past three seasons. This is now a pattern which sadly usually indicates an underlying problem is present. I sincerely hope we get to the bottom of these problems instead of papering over the cracks. As pretty as our stadium and training facility are these do not make a football club![/p][/quote]The underlying problem is money, WisdomSpeaks. Traditionally, football clubs throw money at problems, and they go away, (at least in the short term). While many clubs still see that as the way forward, and some of them actually have the cash to throw around, B&HA is taking a more responsible route. gordongull
  • Score: 1

6:44pm Mon 30 Jun 14

VegasSeagull says...

WisdomSpeaks wrote:
A lot has been expressed on various subjects but the one undeniable fact is that our beloved club has been involved in what can only be described as 'significant dramas' at the same stage of the past three seasons. This is now a pattern which sadly usually indicates an underlying problem is present.

I sincerely hope we get to the bottom of these problems instead of papering over the cracks. As pretty as our stadium and training facility are these do not make a football club!
They may not, 'make a football club,' but they are kep aspects upon which one is built.

You don't offer what you think is the, 'underlying problem,' just that one exists, that makes it kinda difficult to debate the issue. If I had to guess I say that you are thinking of transfers and budgets, with the two being a single underlying problem.

When, and until, we start to see who Hyypia brings in to improve the squad, either on loan or bought, do we really have a problem? The money we spend will give us a clue as to how healthy, or otherwise, our budget is for this season, it might be better or worse than you think it is, the same goes for those we borrow.
As it stands right now we haven't got a clue, it's just pure speculation on our part as fans. We can look at certain situations, such as the Ward issue, and read into it what we may, I know I have, but I know no more than you do.

One man's problem is another man's fiscal prudency, we will spend, one way or another, what we can, last year we didn't spend much but still made the play-offs, I could live with another, 'problem year,' of that nature.
[quote][p][bold]WisdomSpeaks[/bold] wrote: A lot has been expressed on various subjects but the one undeniable fact is that our beloved club has been involved in what can only be described as 'significant dramas' at the same stage of the past three seasons. This is now a pattern which sadly usually indicates an underlying problem is present. I sincerely hope we get to the bottom of these problems instead of papering over the cracks. As pretty as our stadium and training facility are these do not make a football club![/p][/quote]They may not, 'make a football club,' but they are kep aspects upon which one is built. You don't offer what you think is the, 'underlying problem,' just that one exists, that makes it kinda difficult to debate the issue. If I had to guess I say that you are thinking of transfers and budgets, with the two being a single underlying problem. When, and until, we start to see who Hyypia brings in to improve the squad, either on loan or bought, do we really have a problem? The money we spend will give us a clue as to how healthy, or otherwise, our budget is for this season, it might be better or worse than you think it is, the same goes for those we borrow. As it stands right now we haven't got a clue, it's just pure speculation on our part as fans. We can look at certain situations, such as the Ward issue, and read into it what we may, I know I have, but I know no more than you do. One man's problem is another man's fiscal prudency, we will spend, one way or another, what we can, last year we didn't spend much but still made the play-offs, I could live with another, 'problem year,' of that nature. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 4

7:51pm Mon 30 Jun 14

JeffLomer says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
With two 10 million offers on the table for MacCormack, what does that do for the valuation of Ulloa?
Vegas like I said the other day macCormack is a better player he can score with either foot and decent in the air, you ask most on here who would they want in our team up front, Ross or Leo, I did say he was worth more, great player playing in a poor Leeds team!! Me Ross all day long!!
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: With two 10 million offers on the table for MacCormack, what does that do for the valuation of Ulloa?[/p][/quote]Vegas like I said the other day macCormack is a better player he can score with either foot and decent in the air, you ask most on here who would they want in our team up front, Ross or Leo, I did say he was worth more, great player playing in a poor Leeds team!! Me Ross all day long!! JeffLomer
  • Score: 2

7:53pm Mon 30 Jun 14

JeffLomer says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
With two 10 million offers on the table for MacCormack, what does that do for the valuation of Ulloa?
Vegas like I said the other day macCormack is a better player he can score with either foot and decent in the air, you ask most on here who would they want in our team up front, Ross or Leo, I did say he was worth more, great player playing in a poor Leeds team!! Me Ross all day long!!
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: With two 10 million offers on the table for MacCormack, what does that do for the valuation of Ulloa?[/p][/quote]Vegas like I said the other day macCormack is a better player he can score with either foot and decent in the air, you ask most on here who would they want in our team up front, Ross or Leo, I did say he was worth more, great player playing in a poor Leeds team!! Me Ross all day long!! JeffLomer
  • Score: 0

8:55pm Mon 30 Jun 14

Cockwomble says...

JeffLomer wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
With two 10 million offers on the table for MacCormack, what does that do for the valuation of Ulloa?
Vegas like I said the other day macCormack is a better player he can score with either foot and decent in the air, you ask most on here who would they want in our team up front, Ross or Leo, I did say he was worth more, great player playing in a poor Leeds team!! Me Ross all day long!!
i wouldnt swap leo for anyone.mccormacks had maybe 3 good seasons in about 11.not saying his not good but no better that ulloa
[quote][p][bold]JeffLomer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: With two 10 million offers on the table for MacCormack, what does that do for the valuation of Ulloa?[/p][/quote]Vegas like I said the other day macCormack is a better player he can score with either foot and decent in the air, you ask most on here who would they want in our team up front, Ross or Leo, I did say he was worth more, great player playing in a poor Leeds team!! Me Ross all day long!![/p][/quote]i wouldnt swap leo for anyone.mccormacks had maybe 3 good seasons in about 11.not saying his not good but no better that ulloa Cockwomble
  • Score: 0

9:21pm Mon 30 Jun 14

JeffLomer says...

Cockwomble wrote:
JeffLomer wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
With two 10 million offers on the table for MacCormack, what does that do for the valuation of Ulloa?
Vegas like I said the other day macCormack is a better player he can score with either foot and decent in the air, you ask most on here who would they want in our team up front, Ross or Leo, I did say he was worth more, great player playing in a poor Leeds team!! Me Ross all day long!!
i wouldnt swap leo for anyone.mccormacks had maybe 3 good seasons in about 11.not saying his not good but no better that ulloa
Fair enough cockwomble, but don't agree he has had 3 good seasons in about 11, he ain't that old, in a ideal world I would like both in our team, he is the sort player were missing scoring twenty plus goals a season in my opinion!!
[quote][p][bold]Cockwomble[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JeffLomer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: With two 10 million offers on the table for MacCormack, what does that do for the valuation of Ulloa?[/p][/quote]Vegas like I said the other day macCormack is a better player he can score with either foot and decent in the air, you ask most on here who would they want in our team up front, Ross or Leo, I did say he was worth more, great player playing in a poor Leeds team!! Me Ross all day long!![/p][/quote]i wouldnt swap leo for anyone.mccormacks had maybe 3 good seasons in about 11.not saying his not good but no better that ulloa[/p][/quote]Fair enough cockwomble, but don't agree he has had 3 good seasons in about 11, he ain't that old, in a ideal world I would like both in our team, he is the sort player were missing scoring twenty plus goals a season in my opinion!! JeffLomer
  • Score: -1

9:54am Tue 1 Jul 14

Max Ripple says...

I know I will get thumbs down for this but as a real long-termer as an Albion fan and someone who just hoped that we were on the way to somewhere good, I am just getting a bit jittery about who might be lining up in an Albion shirt on day one. Looks like more players going through the door and none coming in. Even if we do get £8 plus for Leo I'm afraid it looks like the suits will just plough that cash into keeping within the rules and not developing the squad. Am I allowed to be a bit worried here?
I know I will get thumbs down for this but as a real long-termer as an Albion fan and someone who just hoped that we were on the way to somewhere good, I am just getting a bit jittery about who might be lining up in an Albion shirt on day one. Looks like more players going through the door and none coming in. Even if we do get £8 plus for Leo I'm afraid it looks like the suits will just plough that cash into keeping within the rules and not developing the squad. Am I allowed to be a bit worried here? Max Ripple
  • Score: -1

6:18pm Tue 1 Jul 14

Cockwomble says...

JeffLomer wrote:
Cockwomble wrote:
JeffLomer wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
With two 10 million offers on the table for MacCormack, what does that do for the valuation of Ulloa?
Vegas like I said the other day macCormack is a better player he can score with either foot and decent in the air, you ask most on here who would they want in our team up front, Ross or Leo, I did say he was worth more, great player playing in a poor Leeds team!! Me Ross all day long!!
i wouldnt swap leo for anyone.mccormacks had maybe 3 good seasons in about 11.not saying his not good but no better that ulloa
Fair enough cockwomble, but don't agree he has had 3 good seasons in about 11, he ain't that old, in a ideal world I would like both in our team, he is the sort player were missing scoring twenty plus goals a season in my opinion!!
which he has done only 2 times in 11 seasons
[quote][p][bold]JeffLomer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cockwomble[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JeffLomer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: With two 10 million offers on the table for MacCormack, what does that do for the valuation of Ulloa?[/p][/quote]Vegas like I said the other day macCormack is a better player he can score with either foot and decent in the air, you ask most on here who would they want in our team up front, Ross or Leo, I did say he was worth more, great player playing in a poor Leeds team!! Me Ross all day long!![/p][/quote]i wouldnt swap leo for anyone.mccormacks had maybe 3 good seasons in about 11.not saying his not good but no better that ulloa[/p][/quote]Fair enough cockwomble, but don't agree he has had 3 good seasons in about 11, he ain't that old, in a ideal world I would like both in our team, he is the sort player were missing scoring twenty plus goals a season in my opinion!![/p][/quote]which he has done only 2 times in 11 seasons Cockwomble
  • Score: 0
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