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Leicester make new Ulloa bid

The Argus: Leo Ulloa Leo Ulloa

Leicester City have made a new offer for Albion striker Leo Ulloa.

The Argus understands the Foxes have bid more than £6 million for the Argentinean.

If the offer were accepted, Ulloa would become a club record signing for the Premier League new boys.

Leicester secured last season’s 22-goal top scorer David Nugent on a new two-year deal yesterday.

But The Argus reported this morning that would not mean a cooling of their interest in Ulloa.

It would appear they now plan to further test Albion’s resolve with a bid well below what is reported to be a £10 million asking price.

Ulloa is currently in pre-season training with the Seagulls at their base in Spain and was pictured today in good spirits with colleagues during a morning workout.

The club have consistently said they have no need or wish to sell their star striker.

Leicester's current record was set in 2000 when they paid £5 million for Ade Akinbiyi.

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4:29pm Thu 10 Jul 14

SeagullOverSelsey says...

Leo will be off soon-to be honest he is not worth 10 million.Let's hope the Albion can squeeze some more out of Leicester before he goes.
Leo will be off soon-to be honest he is not worth 10 million.Let's hope the Albion can squeeze some more out of Leicester before he goes. SeagullOverSelsey
  • Score: 12

4:29pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Neville says...

Just a matter of time and negotiation and then he is on his way prior to the new season.
Just a matter of time and negotiation and then he is on his way prior to the new season. Neville
  • Score: -10

4:35pm Thu 10 Jul 14

SMF20 says...

I'd very much like to keep Leo but have to say that Leicesters bid must be getting very close to an acceptable sum of money.

With a 6.5 million pound fund injection and monies surely left from the sales of Barnes, Bridcutt and Elabd , surely that 10 million would see us getting in good enough players to compete.

I'm eternally grateful for what TB has done for our club but I'd very much like to see the same ambition going into the squad that goes into everything else we do... Within reason of course.

Uta
I'd very much like to keep Leo but have to say that Leicesters bid must be getting very close to an acceptable sum of money. With a 6.5 million pound fund injection and monies surely left from the sales of Barnes, Bridcutt and Elabd , surely that 10 million would see us getting in good enough players to compete. I'm eternally grateful for what TB has done for our club but I'd very much like to see the same ambition going into the squad that goes into everything else we do... Within reason of course. Uta SMF20
  • Score: 32

4:37pm Thu 10 Jul 14

tug509 says...

Surely Leicester can get it through their thick heads : We say £10m ,they say £6m ,so give us £8m and you will probably get your man ,otherwise stop playing with the guy`s head and wasting our time .
Surely Leicester can get it through their thick heads : We say £10m ,they say £6m ,so give us £8m and you will probably get your man ,otherwise stop playing with the guy`s head and wasting our time . tug509
  • Score: 29

4:40pm Thu 10 Jul 14

JeffLomer says...

Reject it if Leeds got 11million we should get 8 for Leo minimum,
Reject it if Leeds got 11million we should get 8 for Leo minimum, JeffLomer
  • Score: 25

4:47pm Thu 10 Jul 14

brightonfan34 says...

JeffLomer wrote:
Reject it if Leeds got 11million we should get 8 for Leo minimum,
hes worth more then 8 million
[quote][p][bold]JeffLomer[/bold] wrote: Reject it if Leeds got 11million we should get 8 for Leo minimum,[/p][/quote]hes worth more then 8 million brightonfan34
  • Score: 11

4:49pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Aye Aye says...

The Times Online is reporting a bid of £7.5M from Leicester for Ulloa. It would make sound commercial sense to move him on for that price as, in my view, it is higher than his true market value. However, the sense in doing this would depend on who we could/would bring in as a replacement.
The Times Online is reporting a bid of £7.5M from Leicester for Ulloa. It would make sound commercial sense to move him on for that price as, in my view, it is higher than his true market value. However, the sense in doing this would depend on who we could/would bring in as a replacement. Aye Aye
  • Score: 10

4:54pm Thu 10 Jul 14

heathgate says...

£7 million and take it,..... less and I think we are the mugs,......
£7 million and take it,..... less and I think we are the mugs,...... heathgate
  • Score: -10

4:54pm Thu 10 Jul 14

gordongull says...

The new offer isn't derisory, but is still too low. £7m now would give us time and funds to rebuild the team without the damaging effects that a prolonged transfer saga would produce.
The new offer isn't derisory, but is still too low. £7m now would give us time and funds to rebuild the team without the damaging effects that a prolonged transfer saga would produce. gordongull
  • Score: 4

4:56pm Thu 10 Jul 14

lighteninglee says...

Not impressed players leaving left right and centre. Any chance of news on albion signing anyone?
Not impressed players leaving left right and centre. Any chance of news on albion signing anyone? lighteninglee
  • Score: 3

4:56pm Thu 10 Jul 14

JeffLomer says...

I would love to no if he got on the plane to Spain just a thought!!
I would love to no if he got on the plane to Spain just a thought!! JeffLomer
  • Score: -14

4:59pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Neville says...

The danger is Ulloa is sold before a replacement is found,we then have the recurring problem of trying to get yet another player on board before the season starts.
The danger is Ulloa is sold before a replacement is found,we then have the recurring problem of trying to get yet another player on board before the season starts. Neville
  • Score: -9

5:01pm Thu 10 Jul 14

seagull52 says...

Pictures of him happy and laughing during training in Spain today, on twitter.
Pictures of him happy and laughing during training in Spain today, on twitter. seagull52
  • Score: 19

5:02pm Thu 10 Jul 14

tug509 says...

JeffLomer wrote:
I would love to no if he got on the plane to Spain just a thought!!
Cant see him in any of the training gallery pics ?.
[quote][p][bold]JeffLomer[/bold] wrote: I would love to no if he got on the plane to Spain just a thought!![/p][/quote]Cant see him in any of the training gallery pics ?. tug509
  • Score: -13

5:04pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Neville says...

Anyone notice the lack of twitter feeds or articles from
Andy Naylor these days,perhaps he has upset someone?
Anyone notice the lack of twitter feeds or articles from Andy Naylor these days,perhaps he has upset someone? Neville
  • Score: -10

5:07pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Cockwomble says...

lighteninglee wrote:
Not impressed players leaving left right and centre. Any chance of news on albion signing anyone?
who else has left recently?cockwomble
[quote][p][bold]lighteninglee[/bold] wrote: Not impressed players leaving left right and centre. Any chance of news on albion signing anyone?[/p][/quote]who else has left recently?cockwomble Cockwomble
  • Score: 3

5:08pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Cockwomble says...

tug509 wrote:
JeffLomer wrote:
I would love to no if he got on the plane to Spain just a thought!!
Cant see him in any of the training gallery pics ?.
it says in the story that hes in spain with the team doesnt it?
[quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JeffLomer[/bold] wrote: I would love to no if he got on the plane to Spain just a thought!![/p][/quote]Cant see him in any of the training gallery pics ?.[/p][/quote]it says in the story that hes in spain with the team doesnt it? Cockwomble
  • Score: 14

5:10pm Thu 10 Jul 14

WisdomSpeaks says...

JeffLomer wrote:
I would love to no if he got on the plane to Spain just a thought!!
The article clearly states he was training in good spirits with his team mates in Spain this morning!
[quote][p][bold]JeffLomer[/bold] wrote: I would love to no if he got on the plane to Spain just a thought!![/p][/quote]The article clearly states he was training in good spirits with his team mates in Spain this morning! WisdomSpeaks
  • Score: 10

5:14pm Thu 10 Jul 14

mark5 says...

I suspect this means that Leo will now be on his way. A raised offer and the rumour that Leo is disaffected and underwhelmed by our transfer activity, will combine to ensure the sale. This also means we should be able to bring in some quality to ensure we compete this year. Thanks for a couple of good years Leo.................
......onwards and upwards! UTA!
I suspect this means that Leo will now be on his way. A raised offer and the rumour that Leo is disaffected and underwhelmed by our transfer activity, will combine to ensure the sale. This also means we should be able to bring in some quality to ensure we compete this year. Thanks for a couple of good years Leo................. ......onwards and upwards! UTA! mark5
  • Score: -10

5:17pm Thu 10 Jul 14

fansunited says...

tug509 wrote:
JeffLomer wrote:
I would love to no if he got on the plane to Spain just a thought!!
Cant see him in any of the training gallery pics ?.
You need to look on twitter cos he is there.....
[quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JeffLomer[/bold] wrote: I would love to no if he got on the plane to Spain just a thought!![/p][/quote]Cant see him in any of the training gallery pics ?.[/p][/quote]You need to look on twitter cos he is there..... fansunited
  • Score: 9

5:20pm Thu 10 Jul 14

JeffLomer says...

WisdomSpeaks wrote:
JeffLomer wrote:
I would love to no if he got on the plane to Spain just a thought!!
The article clearly states he was training in good spirits with his team mates in Spain this morning!
My mistake apologies and to you cockwomble
[quote][p][bold]WisdomSpeaks[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JeffLomer[/bold] wrote: I would love to no if he got on the plane to Spain just a thought!![/p][/quote]The article clearly states he was training in good spirits with his team mates in Spain this morning![/p][/quote]My mistake apologies and to you cockwomble JeffLomer
  • Score: 9

5:22pm Thu 10 Jul 14

VegasSeagull says...

A new bid from Leicester isn't a shock, I think we all knew it would come. The Argus suggests that the figure is something north of 6 million, the Times Online 7.5 million, so which is right.
If the Times has it correct then I think we are close to saying goodbye to Leo, just need to add a transfer request from Leo bumping the net figure to Brighton to over 8 million. Something over 6 million won't get it done, IMHO, the McCormack deal ensures that.

If the quoted figures from the Times are correct the gap between what we are asking and what Leicester are offering is closing, closing to a point where a deal can be reached. I would suggest that we look to hear of Brighton going in for a striker of note, possibly a loan deal but maybe a purchase, as a sign that a deal has been struck subject to Brighton getting their target. We could be a couple of weeks away from finding anything out that stands up to scrutiny.
If the club doesn't come out and kill this latest bid, then we know that a sale could be close, and that the Argus was off the mark with it's figures, unless Brighton would take what most would see as a low bid.
A new bid from Leicester isn't a shock, I think we all knew it would come. The Argus suggests that the figure is something north of 6 million, the Times Online 7.5 million, so which is right. If the Times has it correct then I think we are close to saying goodbye to Leo, just need to add a transfer request from Leo bumping the net figure to Brighton to over 8 million. Something over 6 million won't get it done, IMHO, the McCormack deal ensures that. If the quoted figures from the Times are correct the gap between what we are asking and what Leicester are offering is closing, closing to a point where a deal can be reached. I would suggest that we look to hear of Brighton going in for a striker of note, possibly a loan deal but maybe a purchase, as a sign that a deal has been struck subject to Brighton getting their target. We could be a couple of weeks away from finding anything out that stands up to scrutiny. If the club doesn't come out and kill this latest bid, then we know that a sale could be close, and that the Argus was off the mark with it's figures, unless Brighton would take what most would see as a low bid. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 7

5:22pm Thu 10 Jul 14

the herbster says...

id be in good spirts if a 20k a week contract was on the table
id be in good spirts if a 20k a week contract was on the table the herbster
  • Score: -2

5:26pm Thu 10 Jul 14

mikeygit says...

IF Leo goes there is no guarantee we will be able to get replacements we want. We have had players we want recently who have chosen what we would call lesser clubs. BUT as has been said business is business and if the right offer comes in for Leo then we have to--reluctantly--tak
e it. May be the making of CMS??
IF Leo goes there is no guarantee we will be able to get replacements we want. We have had players we want recently who have chosen what we would call lesser clubs. BUT as has been said business is business and if the right offer comes in for Leo then we have to--reluctantly--tak e it. May be the making of CMS?? mikeygit
  • Score: 3

5:26pm Thu 10 Jul 14

dave from bexill says...

Neville wrote:
Anyone notice the lack of twitter feeds or articles from
Andy Naylor these days,perhaps he has upset someone?
Perhaps he's out looking for a proper job
[quote][p][bold]Neville[/bold] wrote: Anyone notice the lack of twitter feeds or articles from Andy Naylor these days,perhaps he has upset someone?[/p][/quote]Perhaps he's out looking for a proper job dave from bexill
  • Score: 6

5:28pm Thu 10 Jul 14

portugal35 says...

If we sell Leo ,then, we can look forward to a relegation battle this vseason.
If we sell Leo ,then, we can look forward to a relegation battle this vseason. portugal35
  • Score: -25

5:28pm Thu 10 Jul 14

tez1959 says...

let the lazy lump of lard go for free and get some decent players in to wear the albion shirt with pride solly march for example top player you watch him go this season everyone will be raving about him you see ............
let the lazy lump of lard go for free and get some decent players in to wear the albion shirt with pride solly march for example top player you watch him go this season everyone will be raving about him you see ............ tez1959
  • Score: -18

5:32pm Thu 10 Jul 14

tug509 says...

fansunited wrote:
tug509 wrote:
JeffLomer wrote:
I would love to no if he got on the plane to Spain just a thought!!
Cant see him in any of the training gallery pics ?.
You need to look on twitter cos he is there.....
I don't need to look anywhere ,I merely said he was not in any of the training gallery pics . The fact others have said he is on the twitter pics ,I am grateful for ,but although it says in the article he is there ,I wondered why out of 12 pics he was not in 1 ,just curious that's all .
[quote][p][bold]fansunited[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JeffLomer[/bold] wrote: I would love to no if he got on the plane to Spain just a thought!![/p][/quote]Cant see him in any of the training gallery pics ?.[/p][/quote]You need to look on twitter cos he is there.....[/p][/quote]I don't need to look anywhere ,I merely said he was not in any of the training gallery pics . The fact others have said he is on the twitter pics ,I am grateful for ,but although it says in the article he is there ,I wondered why out of 12 pics he was not in 1 ,just curious that's all . tug509
  • Score: 1

5:32pm Thu 10 Jul 14

mark by the sea says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
A new bid from Leicester isn't a shock, I think we all knew it would come. The Argus suggests that the figure is something north of 6 million, the Times Online 7.5 million, so which is right.
If the Times has it correct then I think we are close to saying goodbye to Leo, just need to add a transfer request from Leo bumping the net figure to Brighton to over 8 million. Something over 6 million won't get it done, IMHO, the McCormack deal ensures that.

If the quoted figures from the Times are correct the gap between what we are asking and what Leicester are offering is closing, closing to a point where a deal can be reached. I would suggest that we look to hear of Brighton going in for a striker of note, possibly a loan deal but maybe a purchase, as a sign that a deal has been struck subject to Brighton getting their target. We could be a couple of weeks away from finding anything out that stands up to scrutiny.
If the club doesn't come out and kill this latest bid, then we know that a sale could be close, and that the Argus was off the mark with it's figures, unless Brighton would take what most would see as a low bid.
The question in point is 7.5 million, however the Albion want him to ask for a transfer, meaning club get extra 750k
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: A new bid from Leicester isn't a shock, I think we all knew it would come. The Argus suggests that the figure is something north of 6 million, the Times Online 7.5 million, so which is right. If the Times has it correct then I think we are close to saying goodbye to Leo, just need to add a transfer request from Leo bumping the net figure to Brighton to over 8 million. Something over 6 million won't get it done, IMHO, the McCormack deal ensures that. If the quoted figures from the Times are correct the gap between what we are asking and what Leicester are offering is closing, closing to a point where a deal can be reached. I would suggest that we look to hear of Brighton going in for a striker of note, possibly a loan deal but maybe a purchase, as a sign that a deal has been struck subject to Brighton getting their target. We could be a couple of weeks away from finding anything out that stands up to scrutiny. If the club doesn't come out and kill this latest bid, then we know that a sale could be close, and that the Argus was off the mark with it's figures, unless Brighton would take what most would see as a low bid.[/p][/quote]The question in point is 7.5 million, however the Albion want him to ask for a transfer, meaning club get extra 750k mark by the sea
  • Score: -6

5:34pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Conelli98 says...

Good finisher, not pacey enough for prem...take 6m now and buy Frazer Campbell!
Good finisher, not pacey enough for prem...take 6m now and buy Frazer Campbell! Conelli98
  • Score: -3

5:42pm Thu 10 Jul 14

MrHove says...

Am I the only person who doesnt want to see our transfer news in the public eye? Why would we tell the press the players we are interested in? This would alert other teams and damage our chances of getting the right players.

Ulloa has been a good championship player, will he score goals in the premiership...that remains to be seen, if/when he goes I wish him all the best and would like us to bring in some raw pace up front.
Am I the only person who doesnt want to see our transfer news in the public eye? Why would we tell the press the players we are interested in? This would alert other teams and damage our chances of getting the right players. Ulloa has been a good championship player, will he score goals in the premiership...that remains to be seen, if/when he goes I wish him all the best and would like us to bring in some raw pace up front. MrHove
  • Score: 2

5:42pm Thu 10 Jul 14

VegasSeagull says...

mark by the sea wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
A new bid from Leicester isn't a shock, I think we all knew it would come. The Argus suggests that the figure is something north of 6 million, the Times Online 7.5 million, so which is right.
If the Times has it correct then I think we are close to saying goodbye to Leo, just need to add a transfer request from Leo bumping the net figure to Brighton to over 8 million. Something over 6 million won't get it done, IMHO, the McCormack deal ensures that.

If the quoted figures from the Times are correct the gap between what we are asking and what Leicester are offering is closing, closing to a point where a deal can be reached. I would suggest that we look to hear of Brighton going in for a striker of note, possibly a loan deal but maybe a purchase, as a sign that a deal has been struck subject to Brighton getting their target. We could be a couple of weeks away from finding anything out that stands up to scrutiny.
If the club doesn't come out and kill this latest bid, then we know that a sale could be close, and that the Argus was off the mark with it's figures, unless Brighton would take what most would see as a low bid.
The question in point is 7.5 million, however the Albion want him to ask for a transfer, meaning club get extra 750k
yep a transfer request, on top of a 7.5M offer would take us to the 8 million I would like to see us get.
Having just checked a bunch of reports re this bid, the general opinion seems to be that the latest bid is in fact nearer 6 million that 7, I don't that would work for the club.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: A new bid from Leicester isn't a shock, I think we all knew it would come. The Argus suggests that the figure is something north of 6 million, the Times Online 7.5 million, so which is right. If the Times has it correct then I think we are close to saying goodbye to Leo, just need to add a transfer request from Leo bumping the net figure to Brighton to over 8 million. Something over 6 million won't get it done, IMHO, the McCormack deal ensures that. If the quoted figures from the Times are correct the gap between what we are asking and what Leicester are offering is closing, closing to a point where a deal can be reached. I would suggest that we look to hear of Brighton going in for a striker of note, possibly a loan deal but maybe a purchase, as a sign that a deal has been struck subject to Brighton getting their target. We could be a couple of weeks away from finding anything out that stands up to scrutiny. If the club doesn't come out and kill this latest bid, then we know that a sale could be close, and that the Argus was off the mark with it's figures, unless Brighton would take what most would see as a low bid.[/p][/quote]The question in point is 7.5 million, however the Albion want him to ask for a transfer, meaning club get extra 750k[/p][/quote]yep a transfer request, on top of a 7.5M offer would take us to the 8 million I would like to see us get. Having just checked a bunch of reports re this bid, the general opinion seems to be that the latest bid is in fact nearer 6 million that 7, I don't that would work for the club. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 0

5:44pm Thu 10 Jul 14

the taffster says...

SeagullOverSelsey wrote:
Leo will be off soon-to be honest he is not worth 10 million.Let's hope the Albion can squeeze some more out of Leicester before he goes.
Your talking nonsense....with a decent midfield and someone upfront he will score goals and prove his class....Brighton didn't play to his strengths. Watch him go...best they can do is get a sell on clause in place...he got bored with the lack of service last season under Oscar..... And I got bored with watching it....in fact last season was one of the most tedious and negative I've seen under any Brighton manager.I've supported the club for 40 years..good luck Leo.
[quote][p][bold]SeagullOverSelsey[/bold] wrote: Leo will be off soon-to be honest he is not worth 10 million.Let's hope the Albion can squeeze some more out of Leicester before he goes.[/p][/quote]Your talking nonsense....with a decent midfield and someone upfront he will score goals and prove his class....Brighton didn't play to his strengths. Watch him go...best they can do is get a sell on clause in place...he got bored with the lack of service last season under Oscar..... And I got bored with watching it....in fact last season was one of the most tedious and negative I've seen under any Brighton manager.I've supported the club for 40 years..good luck Leo. the taffster
  • Score: 8

5:45pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Aye Aye says...

JeffLomer wrote:
I would love to no if he got on the plane to Spain just a thought!!
He did!
[quote][p][bold]JeffLomer[/bold] wrote: I would love to no if he got on the plane to Spain just a thought!![/p][/quote]He did! Aye Aye
  • Score: 4

5:46pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Cockwomble says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
A new bid from Leicester isn't a shock, I think we all knew it would come. The Argus suggests that the figure is something north of 6 million, the Times Online 7.5 million, so which is right.
If the Times has it correct then I think we are close to saying goodbye to Leo, just need to add a transfer request from Leo bumping the net figure to Brighton to over 8 million. Something over 6 million won't get it done, IMHO, the McCormack deal ensures that.

If the quoted figures from the Times are correct the gap between what we are asking and what Leicester are offering is closing, closing to a point where a deal can be reached. I would suggest that we look to hear of Brighton going in for a striker of note, possibly a loan deal but maybe a purchase, as a sign that a deal has been struck subject to Brighton getting their target. We could be a couple of weeks away from finding anything out that stands up to scrutiny.
If the club doesn't come out and kill this latest bid, then we know that a sale could be close, and that the Argus was off the mark with it's figures, unless Brighton would take what most would see as a low bid.
a bid of 6-7m means we may have reached the zopa.zone of possible agreement.or we could still hold out for 10m.who knows.i doubt we will ever know the true amount
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: A new bid from Leicester isn't a shock, I think we all knew it would come. The Argus suggests that the figure is something north of 6 million, the Times Online 7.5 million, so which is right. If the Times has it correct then I think we are close to saying goodbye to Leo, just need to add a transfer request from Leo bumping the net figure to Brighton to over 8 million. Something over 6 million won't get it done, IMHO, the McCormack deal ensures that. If the quoted figures from the Times are correct the gap between what we are asking and what Leicester are offering is closing, closing to a point where a deal can be reached. I would suggest that we look to hear of Brighton going in for a striker of note, possibly a loan deal but maybe a purchase, as a sign that a deal has been struck subject to Brighton getting their target. We could be a couple of weeks away from finding anything out that stands up to scrutiny. If the club doesn't come out and kill this latest bid, then we know that a sale could be close, and that the Argus was off the mark with it's figures, unless Brighton would take what most would see as a low bid.[/p][/quote]a bid of 6-7m means we may have reached the zopa.zone of possible agreement.or we could still hold out for 10m.who knows.i doubt we will ever know the true amount Cockwomble
  • Score: 2

5:47pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Cockwomble says...

portugal35 wrote:
If we sell Leo ,then, we can look forward to a relegation battle this vseason.
another new wum/troll?lots of noobs(nobs?) this last week or two.cockwombles
[quote][p][bold]portugal35[/bold] wrote: If we sell Leo ,then, we can look forward to a relegation battle this vseason.[/p][/quote]another new wum/troll?lots of noobs(nobs?) this last week or two.cockwombles Cockwomble
  • Score: 1

5:49pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Aye Aye says...

portugal35 wrote:
If we sell Leo ,then, we can look forward to a relegation battle this vseason.
Behave yourself, portugal. There's absolutely no reason to believe that until the window closes and we haven't signed a replacement forward should it have been necessary (i.e. if Ulloa goes). I would credit the management team with a little more nous.
[quote][p][bold]portugal35[/bold] wrote: If we sell Leo ,then, we can look forward to a relegation battle this vseason.[/p][/quote]Behave yourself, portugal. There's absolutely no reason to believe that until the window closes and we haven't signed a replacement forward should it have been necessary (i.e. if Ulloa goes). I would credit the management team with a little more nous. Aye Aye
  • Score: 4

5:51pm Thu 10 Jul 14

VegasSeagull says...

Prior to today, the highest estimate of the Leicester bid for Leo was around 5M, and the press tells us that the club value him nearer 10M, are Leicester trying to steal him by offering around 6M, or are they being realistic given that he is not a prem div striker, as of yet. If they are being realistic, what does that say about the Fulham deal, 11M, for McCormack?
Prior to today, the highest estimate of the Leicester bid for Leo was around 5M, and the press tells us that the club value him nearer 10M, are Leicester trying to steal him by offering around 6M, or are they being realistic given that he is not a prem div striker, as of yet. If they are being realistic, what does that say about the Fulham deal, 11M, for McCormack? VegasSeagull
  • Score: -1

5:57pm Thu 10 Jul 14

namgo49 says...

There is an argument that might say Ulloa is not Hyppia's type of player. From the video of his Bayer Lev. team he had a smaller more mobile striker playing through the channels. There does need to be and hopefully there us a clear strategy of what is needed.

I see Adkins is getting fed up with the fact he gas not been able to sign a single player and thinks he may have missed the boat at Reading, in which case we too are on the quayside with the ship off on the horizon!!
There is an argument that might say Ulloa is not Hyppia's type of player. From the video of his Bayer Lev. team he had a smaller more mobile striker playing through the channels. There does need to be and hopefully there us a clear strategy of what is needed. I see Adkins is getting fed up with the fact he gas not been able to sign a single player and thinks he may have missed the boat at Reading, in which case we too are on the quayside with the ship off on the horizon!! namgo49
  • Score: -5

6:00pm Thu 10 Jul 14

dave from bexill says...

I'm assuming that Leo wants to try his hand in the premiership; more money, better standard of football etc, etc. Now that the players head seems to have been turned, it's likely he will want the move and however hard he continues to play and train with his club, psychologically the damage will be done I guess and he'll want off, why wouldn't he?
I know some think he lost it towards the end of last season and his level probably did drop a bit, after all he was returning from serious injury, but I hate to think where we would have been without him. It took a long time to find Leo and if he does go, who might we find to replace him, certainly like for like and so far I've heard no realistic suggestions on here, at least not in our price range.
Players always come and go obviously and generally our club continues to move forward. However, it does concern me, the number of ambitious and quality players gone over the last couple of years or so that in my view havn't been replaced e.g. Bridcutt, Upson, Bridge, Ward (loans I know, but good players, so far not replaced) Barnes, TK and (provided he's fully fit) Orlandi.
The infrastructure at the club including background staff (yes that includes Blooms men Barber and Burke) are undoubtedly Premiership Ready, but will the paying staff this season be upto ensuring at least top six. I have my doubts, but perhaps it's just my mood today.
I'm assuming that Leo wants to try his hand in the premiership; more money, better standard of football etc, etc. Now that the players head seems to have been turned, it's likely he will want the move and however hard he continues to play and train with his club, psychologically the damage will be done I guess and he'll want off, why wouldn't he? I know some think he lost it towards the end of last season and his level probably did drop a bit, after all he was returning from serious injury, but I hate to think where we would have been without him. It took a long time to find Leo and if he does go, who might we find to replace him, certainly like for like and so far I've heard no realistic suggestions on here, at least not in our price range. Players always come and go obviously and generally our club continues to move forward. However, it does concern me, the number of ambitious and quality players gone over the last couple of years or so that in my view havn't been replaced e.g. Bridcutt, Upson, Bridge, Ward (loans I know, but good players, so far not replaced) Barnes, TK and (provided he's fully fit) Orlandi. The infrastructure at the club including background staff (yes that includes Blooms men Barber and Burke) are undoubtedly Premiership Ready, but will the paying staff this season be upto ensuring at least top six. I have my doubts, but perhaps it's just my mood today. dave from bexill
  • Score: 8

6:00pm Thu 10 Jul 14

mark by the sea says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Prior to today, the highest estimate of the Leicester bid for Leo was around 5M, and the press tells us that the club value him nearer 10M, are Leicester trying to steal him by offering around 6M, or are they being realistic given that he is not a prem div striker, as of yet. If they are being realistic, what does that say about the Fulham deal, 11M, for McCormack?
Fulham paid over the odds for cormack, however if he scores 25 and they go up he is cheap! We will be lucky to be top ten in my opinion.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Prior to today, the highest estimate of the Leicester bid for Leo was around 5M, and the press tells us that the club value him nearer 10M, are Leicester trying to steal him by offering around 6M, or are they being realistic given that he is not a prem div striker, as of yet. If they are being realistic, what does that say about the Fulham deal, 11M, for McCormack?[/p][/quote]Fulham paid over the odds for cormack, however if he scores 25 and they go up he is cheap! We will be lucky to be top ten in my opinion. mark by the sea
  • Score: -6

6:02pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Gordon of Goring says...

Whatever the fee there's no guarantee it will be fully invested in signing new players. More likely some will be used to balance the books so Albion starts the season meeting the Financial Fair Play requirements. A good financial base is the foundation for building the future. Ask Derby.
Whatever the fee there's no guarantee it will be fully invested in signing new players. More likely some will be used to balance the books so Albion starts the season meeting the Financial Fair Play requirements. A good financial base is the foundation for building the future. Ask Derby. Gordon of Goring
  • Score: 3

6:07pm Thu 10 Jul 14

brightonup says...

mark by the sea wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Prior to today, the highest estimate of the Leicester bid for Leo was around 5M, and the press tells us that the club value him nearer 10M, are Leicester trying to steal him by offering around 6M, or are they being realistic given that he is not a prem div striker, as of yet. If they are being realistic, what does that say about the Fulham deal, 11M, for McCormack?
Fulham paid over the odds for cormack, however if he scores 25 and they go up he is cheap! We will be lucky to be top ten in my opinion.
...then you will be happy, won't you.
I am looking forward to reading your life affirming, positive comment throughout the season.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Prior to today, the highest estimate of the Leicester bid for Leo was around 5M, and the press tells us that the club value him nearer 10M, are Leicester trying to steal him by offering around 6M, or are they being realistic given that he is not a prem div striker, as of yet. If they are being realistic, what does that say about the Fulham deal, 11M, for McCormack?[/p][/quote]Fulham paid over the odds for cormack, however if he scores 25 and they go up he is cheap! We will be lucky to be top ten in my opinion.[/p][/quote]...then you will be happy, won't you. I am looking forward to reading your life affirming, positive comment throughout the season. brightonup
  • Score: 8

6:10pm Thu 10 Jul 14

JollyRoger says...

Whether he is in good spirits or not is irrelevant in my opinion because this will come down to what his agent wants rather than what we (or the player) wants.

I can't help but feel nervous as we head towards the new season especially since we have seriously failed to bring in new players or even encouraged players that might be available that we're a club that is serious about our ambitions for the season. I seriously hope this is not the case.
Whether he is in good spirits or not is irrelevant in my opinion because this will come down to what his agent wants rather than what we (or the player) wants. I can't help but feel nervous as we head towards the new season especially since we have seriously failed to bring in new players or even encouraged players that might be available that we're a club that is serious about our ambitions for the season. I seriously hope this is not the case. JollyRoger
  • Score: -7

6:15pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Neville says...

Gordon of Goring
The reason Derby are meeting FFP is because their owners have converted their 28.5 million loans into equity.
Gordon of Goring The reason Derby are meeting FFP is because their owners have converted their 28.5 million loans into equity. Neville
  • Score: -4

6:17pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Cockwomble says...

mark by the sea wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Prior to today, the highest estimate of the Leicester bid for Leo was around 5M, and the press tells us that the club value him nearer 10M, are Leicester trying to steal him by offering around 6M, or are they being realistic given that he is not a prem div striker, as of yet. If they are being realistic, what does that say about the Fulham deal, 11M, for McCormack?
Fulham paid over the odds for cormack, however if he scores 25 and they go up he is cheap! We will be lucky to be top ten in my opinion.
and if my granny had wheels she would be a bus.downbeat cockwomble
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Prior to today, the highest estimate of the Leicester bid for Leo was around 5M, and the press tells us that the club value him nearer 10M, are Leicester trying to steal him by offering around 6M, or are they being realistic given that he is not a prem div striker, as of yet. If they are being realistic, what does that say about the Fulham deal, 11M, for McCormack?[/p][/quote]Fulham paid over the odds for cormack, however if he scores 25 and they go up he is cheap! We will be lucky to be top ten in my opinion.[/p][/quote]and if my granny had wheels she would be a bus.downbeat cockwomble Cockwomble
  • Score: -2

6:17pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Alan G Skinner says...

The price is £10m. The club and Chairman Bloom should show steadfast resolve on this, £10m and not a penny less. Leeds held out for £11m for their prized asset, we should not budge on this. Frankly I don't think we have played hardball enough at times and I think other clubs think we are as easy touch and will continue to offer derisory amounts for our best players if we don't fight back.
The price is £10m. The club and Chairman Bloom should show steadfast resolve on this, £10m and not a penny less. Leeds held out for £11m for their prized asset, we should not budge on this. Frankly I don't think we have played hardball enough at times and I think other clubs think we are as easy touch and will continue to offer derisory amounts for our best players if we don't fight back. Alan G Skinner
  • Score: 11

6:26pm Thu 10 Jul 14

phumps says...

News on twitter has it as £6m + Jamie vardy, he was quite prolific last season for Leicester
News on twitter has it as £6m + Jamie vardy, he was quite prolific last season for Leicester phumps
  • Score: -1

6:27pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Withdean-er says...

Sell, and get new players in with pace, mobility and power. The predictable and slow football served up in the last 18 months to a slow target man was not just easy to defend against, but continued the awful goals scored statistic for the third season in a row. Time to move on.
Sell, and get new players in with pace, mobility and power. The predictable and slow football served up in the last 18 months to a slow target man was not just easy to defend against, but continued the awful goals scored statistic for the third season in a row. Time to move on. Withdean-er
  • Score: 1

6:27pm Thu 10 Jul 14

mark by the sea says...

brightonup wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Prior to today, the highest estimate of the Leicester bid for Leo was around 5M, and the press tells us that the club value him nearer 10M, are Leicester trying to steal him by offering around 6M, or are they being realistic given that he is not a prem div striker, as of yet. If they are being realistic, what does that say about the Fulham deal, 11M, for McCormack?
Fulham paid over the odds for cormack, however if he scores 25 and they go up he is cheap! We will be lucky to be top ten in my opinion.
...then you will be happy, won't you.
I am looking forward to reading your life affirming, positive comment throughout the season.
Not happy, but if you can't see problems ahead your mad! We don't have enough players to fill a team sheet of 18 , and Burke is playing King Canute with players wage demands.
[quote][p][bold]brightonup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Prior to today, the highest estimate of the Leicester bid for Leo was around 5M, and the press tells us that the club value him nearer 10M, are Leicester trying to steal him by offering around 6M, or are they being realistic given that he is not a prem div striker, as of yet. If they are being realistic, what does that say about the Fulham deal, 11M, for McCormack?[/p][/quote]Fulham paid over the odds for cormack, however if he scores 25 and they go up he is cheap! We will be lucky to be top ten in my opinion.[/p][/quote]...then you will be happy, won't you. I am looking forward to reading your life affirming, positive comment throughout the season.[/p][/quote]Not happy, but if you can't see problems ahead your mad! We don't have enough players to fill a team sheet of 18 , and Burke is playing King Canute with players wage demands. mark by the sea
  • Score: -6

6:33pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Withdean-er says...

Neville wrote:
Gordon of Goring
The reason Derby are meeting FFP is because their owners have converted their 28.5 million loans into equity.
Incorrect.
Turning historically accumulated shareholder loans doesn't get round FFP, that merely is a paper exercise affecting the audited balance sheet alone. FFP's rules are based on a completely different document, the audited Profit & Loss Account revealing the profit or loss for accounting years.

In addition, Derby have a relatively excellent record in recent years of NOT incurring large losses in a desperate attempt to gain promotion, unlike Forest, Leicester, Southampton and others who 'bought' promotion or still failed in the case of Forest.
[quote][p][bold]Neville[/bold] wrote: Gordon of Goring The reason Derby are meeting FFP is because their owners have converted their 28.5 million loans into equity.[/p][/quote]Incorrect. Turning historically accumulated shareholder loans doesn't get round FFP, that merely is a paper exercise affecting the audited balance sheet alone. FFP's rules are based on a completely different document, the audited Profit & Loss Account revealing the profit or loss for accounting years. In addition, Derby have a relatively excellent record in recent years of NOT incurring large losses in a desperate attempt to gain promotion, unlike Forest, Leicester, Southampton and others who 'bought' promotion or still failed in the case of Forest. Withdean-er
  • Score: 4

6:46pm Thu 10 Jul 14

VegasSeagull says...

mark by the sea wrote:
brightonup wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Prior to today, the highest estimate of the Leicester bid for Leo was around 5M, and the press tells us that the club value him nearer 10M, are Leicester trying to steal him by offering around 6M, or are they being realistic given that he is not a prem div striker, as of yet. If they are being realistic, what does that say about the Fulham deal, 11M, for McCormack?
Fulham paid over the odds for cormack, however if he scores 25 and they go up he is cheap! We will be lucky to be top ten in my opinion.
...then you will be happy, won't you.
I am looking forward to reading your life affirming, positive comment throughout the season.
Not happy, but if you can't see problems ahead your mad! We don't have enough players to fill a team sheet of 18 , and Burke is playing King Canute with players wage demands.
we don't have enough players, doubt many would argue against that, but not so sure how you can justify your last comment, re Burke.
If yor thinking is based on the Ward issue and the reported extra 3K a week he is looking for, perhaps it would help if we also knew the other details of his proposed move to the Amex.

What fee is being for asked for him, we are told that it is not big but we have no idea what it is.
How long a contract is Ward looking for, maybe longer than we want to offer, or maybe shorter.
3K a week is not as lot to haggle over, but over a three year deal, that's an extra 450K.
Even a two year deal see the numbers add up. Guess at 300K fee plus 13K a week wages, that's 1.6M over just two years, 2.4M over three.

If the Ward deal was not what you were thinking of, perhaps you could tell.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]brightonup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Prior to today, the highest estimate of the Leicester bid for Leo was around 5M, and the press tells us that the club value him nearer 10M, are Leicester trying to steal him by offering around 6M, or are they being realistic given that he is not a prem div striker, as of yet. If they are being realistic, what does that say about the Fulham deal, 11M, for McCormack?[/p][/quote]Fulham paid over the odds for cormack, however if he scores 25 and they go up he is cheap! We will be lucky to be top ten in my opinion.[/p][/quote]...then you will be happy, won't you. I am looking forward to reading your life affirming, positive comment throughout the season.[/p][/quote]Not happy, but if you can't see problems ahead your mad! We don't have enough players to fill a team sheet of 18 , and Burke is playing King Canute with players wage demands.[/p][/quote]we don't have enough players, doubt many would argue against that, but not so sure how you can justify your last comment, re Burke. If yor thinking is based on the Ward issue and the reported extra 3K a week he is looking for, perhaps it would help if we also knew the other details of his proposed move to the Amex. What fee is being for asked for him, we are told that it is not big but we have no idea what it is. How long a contract is Ward looking for, maybe longer than we want to offer, or maybe shorter. 3K a week is not as lot to haggle over, but over a three year deal, that's an extra 450K. Even a two year deal see the numbers add up. Guess at 300K fee plus 13K a week wages, that's 1.6M over just two years, 2.4M over three. If the Ward deal was not what you were thinking of, perhaps you could tell. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 7

6:46pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Theodoridi says...

dave from bexill wrote:
Neville wrote:
Anyone notice the lack of twitter feeds or articles from
Andy Naylor these days,perhaps he has upset someone?
Perhaps he's out looking for a proper job
He's In Ireland on a Golf trip I believe, says so on His twitter.
[quote][p][bold]dave from bexill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Neville[/bold] wrote: Anyone notice the lack of twitter feeds or articles from Andy Naylor these days,perhaps he has upset someone?[/p][/quote]Perhaps he's out looking for a proper job[/p][/quote]He's In Ireland on a Golf trip I believe, says so on His twitter. Theodoridi
  • Score: 4

6:54pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Mark Dixon says...

£7-£8m and Leo will go but someone earlier commented with that money for Barnes, Bridcott and El Abd will give us a nice pot of money to spend.

Sorry your kidding yourself there, some of that will offset the overdraft!
£7-£8m and Leo will go but someone earlier commented with that money for Barnes, Bridcott and El Abd will give us a nice pot of money to spend. Sorry your kidding yourself there, some of that will offset the overdraft! Mark Dixon
  • Score: -1

6:55pm Thu 10 Jul 14

gordongull says...

Ulloa is worth what someone is willing to pay for him.
McCormack has an unrivaled recent record at this level, which is where he will be playing.
Who are the Championship clubs interested in Leo? There aren't any.
Just one Premier League side who are prepared to take a chance on him successfully adapting to top flight football.
That is by no means a foregone conclusion. Look at Ricky Van Wolfswinkel who Norwich paid £8m for a year ago. A goal every two games in his two seasons in Portugal, but only one in 27 outings for the Canaries.
Leo is unproven at Premier League level, and other Championship teams don't see him as the answer. That is why he will not go for anywhere near the £10m that has been quoted.
We are, of course under no obligation to sell.
Ulloa is worth what someone is willing to pay for him. McCormack has an unrivaled recent record at this level, which is where he will be playing. Who are the Championship clubs interested in Leo? There aren't any. Just one Premier League side who are prepared to take a chance on him successfully adapting to top flight football. That is by no means a foregone conclusion. Look at Ricky Van Wolfswinkel who Norwich paid £8m for a year ago. A goal every two games in his two seasons in Portugal, but only one in 27 outings for the Canaries. Leo is unproven at Premier League level, and other Championship teams don't see him as the answer. That is why he will not go for anywhere near the £10m that has been quoted. We are, of course under no obligation to sell. gordongull
  • Score: 6

6:59pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Grummitt says...

phumps wrote:
News on twitter has it as £6m + Jamie vardy, he was quite prolific last season for Leicester
The Telegraph are quoted as saying that Leicester have just offered Vardy a new 4 year deal.
[quote][p][bold]phumps[/bold] wrote: News on twitter has it as £6m + Jamie vardy, he was quite prolific last season for Leicester[/p][/quote]The Telegraph are quoted as saying that Leicester have just offered Vardy a new 4 year deal. Grummitt
  • Score: 3

7:03pm Thu 10 Jul 14

brighton bluenose says...

mark5 wrote:
I suspect this means that Leo will now be on his way. A raised offer and the rumour that Leo is disaffected and underwhelmed by our transfer activity, will combine to ensure the sale. This also means we should be able to bring in some quality to ensure we compete this year. Thanks for a couple of good years Leo.................

......onwards and upwards! UTA!
Rumour from where ffs - total rubbish that just get repeated ad nauseum until...........it just ends up in further rumour!
It was only a few months ago that Leo said he was very happy at the Amex and whilst we can understand that he might well want to play at a higher level he is under contract for a good while yet - it is up to Hyypia to use this Spanish trip to convince the boy what an essential part of our team he is and how both Ulloa and the club will thrive under Samis leadership!!
[quote][p][bold]mark5[/bold] wrote: I suspect this means that Leo will now be on his way. A raised offer and the rumour that Leo is disaffected and underwhelmed by our transfer activity, will combine to ensure the sale. This also means we should be able to bring in some quality to ensure we compete this year. Thanks for a couple of good years Leo................. ......onwards and upwards! UTA![/p][/quote]Rumour from where ffs - total rubbish that just get repeated ad nauseum until...........it just ends up in further rumour! It was only a few months ago that Leo said he was very happy at the Amex and whilst we can understand that he might well want to play at a higher level he is under contract for a good while yet - it is up to Hyypia to use this Spanish trip to convince the boy what an essential part of our team he is and how both Ulloa and the club will thrive under Samis leadership!! brighton bluenose
  • Score: 6

7:17pm Thu 10 Jul 14

tug509 says...

brighton bluenose wrote:
mark5 wrote:
I suspect this means that Leo will now be on his way. A raised offer and the rumour that Leo is disaffected and underwhelmed by our transfer activity, will combine to ensure the sale. This also means we should be able to bring in some quality to ensure we compete this year. Thanks for a couple of good years Leo.................


......onwards and upwards! UTA!
Rumour from where ffs - total rubbish that just get repeated ad nauseum until...........it just ends up in further rumour!
It was only a few months ago that Leo said he was very happy at the Amex and whilst we can understand that he might well want to play at a higher level he is under contract for a good while yet - it is up to Hyypia to use this Spanish trip to convince the boy what an essential part of our team he is and how both Ulloa and the club will thrive under Samis leadership!!
If he has expressed a wish to move to the prem ,then he is already at LCFC.
[quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark5[/bold] wrote: I suspect this means that Leo will now be on his way. A raised offer and the rumour that Leo is disaffected and underwhelmed by our transfer activity, will combine to ensure the sale. This also means we should be able to bring in some quality to ensure we compete this year. Thanks for a couple of good years Leo................. ......onwards and upwards! UTA![/p][/quote]Rumour from where ffs - total rubbish that just get repeated ad nauseum until...........it just ends up in further rumour! It was only a few months ago that Leo said he was very happy at the Amex and whilst we can understand that he might well want to play at a higher level he is under contract for a good while yet - it is up to Hyypia to use this Spanish trip to convince the boy what an essential part of our team he is and how both Ulloa and the club will thrive under Samis leadership!![/p][/quote]If he has expressed a wish to move to the prem ,then he is already at LCFC. tug509
  • Score: 0

7:22pm Thu 10 Jul 14

the herbster says...

Put your self in his shoes.
What would you do
Put your self in his shoes. What would you do the herbster
  • Score: 2

7:24pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Southwick seagull says...

namgo49 wrote:
There is an argument that might say Ulloa is not Hyppia's type of player. From the video of his Bayer Lev. team he had a smaller more mobile striker playing through the channels. There does need to be and hopefully there us a clear strategy of what is needed.

I see Adkins is getting fed up with the fact he gas not been able to sign a single player and thinks he may have missed the boat at Reading, in which case we too are on the quayside with the ship off on the horizon!!
Completely agree with the first paragraph of this post. Leo has been great but if he has the chance to play in the Prem, the club shouldn't stand in his way. There's a real case for a more mobile and fluid formation up front with smaller, quicker players stretching the opposition with real pace. The big centre forward holding the ball up until others arrive may not be the way Hyppia likes to set up the team - we shall see.
No need to panic over recruitment - have a little faith. I'm looking forward to another season with the Albion pushing for promotion. New Manager, new training ground, youngsters coming through - it's all a mouth watering prospect. Sit back and enjoy!
[quote][p][bold]namgo49[/bold] wrote: There is an argument that might say Ulloa is not Hyppia's type of player. From the video of his Bayer Lev. team he had a smaller more mobile striker playing through the channels. There does need to be and hopefully there us a clear strategy of what is needed. I see Adkins is getting fed up with the fact he gas not been able to sign a single player and thinks he may have missed the boat at Reading, in which case we too are on the quayside with the ship off on the horizon!![/p][/quote]Completely agree with the first paragraph of this post. Leo has been great but if he has the chance to play in the Prem, the club shouldn't stand in his way. There's a real case for a more mobile and fluid formation up front with smaller, quicker players stretching the opposition with real pace. The big centre forward holding the ball up until others arrive may not be the way Hyppia likes to set up the team - we shall see. No need to panic over recruitment - have a little faith. I'm looking forward to another season with the Albion pushing for promotion. New Manager, new training ground, youngsters coming through - it's all a mouth watering prospect. Sit back and enjoy! Southwick seagull
  • Score: 13

7:24pm Thu 10 Jul 14

albionbloke says...

I notice that Zamora hasn't re-signed for QPR and is in talks with Millwall. If he's prepared to take a drop in wages and consider moving there, I have to wonder if he might be an option for us to chase? Not saying he's the ideal replacement for Leo but may well be a good asset at the Championship level. Of course, there's always the concern about his injury record but when healthy, he still seems to be capable of doing the job.
I notice that Zamora hasn't re-signed for QPR and is in talks with Millwall. If he's prepared to take a drop in wages and consider moving there, I have to wonder if he might be an option for us to chase? Not saying he's the ideal replacement for Leo but may well be a good asset at the Championship level. Of course, there's always the concern about his injury record but when healthy, he still seems to be capable of doing the job. albionbloke
  • Score: 4

7:32pm Thu 10 Jul 14

arc12 says...

I'd take £7.5 as that's definitely more than his market value IMO. Clear our debts in one swoop and then CMS will be our one up front with Fenelon as back up. That's ok for me. I'm not expecting us to challenge this season but I'd take a season or two of mediocrity having been through the lean years travelling up to Gillingham every week all those years ago.

Some of us have to get real and realise just how bad things were in the past to understand that things are not as bad now as people make out. Too many Johnny come lately's who have jumped on the bandwagon in the last 3 seasons just seem to expect instant success. Those of us who supported and travelled with the team in those really bad times are grateful we have a club to support at all.
I'd take £7.5 as that's definitely more than his market value IMO. Clear our debts in one swoop and then CMS will be our one up front with Fenelon as back up. That's ok for me. I'm not expecting us to challenge this season but I'd take a season or two of mediocrity having been through the lean years travelling up to Gillingham every week all those years ago. Some of us have to get real and realise just how bad things were in the past to understand that things are not as bad now as people make out. Too many Johnny come lately's who have jumped on the bandwagon in the last 3 seasons just seem to expect instant success. Those of us who supported and travelled with the team in those really bad times are grateful we have a club to support at all. arc12
  • Score: 9

7:32pm Thu 10 Jul 14

OldGull says...

I think there is a myth developing around Leo Ulloa.
Whilst he was out injured last season,
Albion W5 D3 L2.
3 of those wins we scored 3 goals

I think he is a good old style target man, but when he came back from injury, we started lumping long balls up to him.
When he was out, we didn't have that option and played some of our best football.
If we can get £7m I would take it and look for a more mobile striker
UTA
I think there is a myth developing around Leo Ulloa. Whilst he was out injured last season, Albion W5 D3 L2. 3 of those wins we scored 3 goals I think he is a good old style target man, but when he came back from injury, we started lumping long balls up to him. When he was out, we didn't have that option and played some of our best football. If we can get £7m I would take it and look for a more mobile striker UTA OldGull
  • Score: 12

7:39pm Thu 10 Jul 14

WisdomSpeaks says...

If we get £7M for Leo I think it's a good piece of business considering what we paid for him. I like him both as a player and a person and if he really wants to get PL experience now rather than wait to help get us up then that's fair enough. He's always given his all and worked his butt off for the cause.

So as long as we can re invest whatever cones in from his intended sale lets go for it. Get it sorted sooner rather than layer and get our squad settled in for the new season.
If we get £7M for Leo I think it's a good piece of business considering what we paid for him. I like him both as a player and a person and if he really wants to get PL experience now rather than wait to help get us up then that's fair enough. He's always given his all and worked his butt off for the cause. So as long as we can re invest whatever cones in from his intended sale lets go for it. Get it sorted sooner rather than layer and get our squad settled in for the new season. WisdomSpeaks
  • Score: 6

7:39pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Asleep in Dorset says...

arc12 wrote:
I'd take £7.5 as that's definitely more than his market value IMO. Clear our debts in one swoop and then CMS will be our one up front with Fenelon as back up. That's ok for me. I'm not expecting us to challenge this season but I'd take a season or two of mediocrity having been through the lean years travelling up to Gillingham every week all those years ago.

Some of us have to get real and realise just how bad things were in the past to understand that things are not as bad now as people make out. Too many Johnny come lately's who have jumped on the bandwagon in the last 3 seasons just seem to expect instant success. Those of us who supported and travelled with the team in those really bad times are grateful we have a club to support at all.
think we've had two years of mediocrity...
[quote][p][bold]arc12[/bold] wrote: I'd take £7.5 as that's definitely more than his market value IMO. Clear our debts in one swoop and then CMS will be our one up front with Fenelon as back up. That's ok for me. I'm not expecting us to challenge this season but I'd take a season or two of mediocrity having been through the lean years travelling up to Gillingham every week all those years ago. Some of us have to get real and realise just how bad things were in the past to understand that things are not as bad now as people make out. Too many Johnny come lately's who have jumped on the bandwagon in the last 3 seasons just seem to expect instant success. Those of us who supported and travelled with the team in those really bad times are grateful we have a club to support at all.[/p][/quote]think we've had two years of mediocrity... Asleep in Dorset
  • Score: -5

7:41pm Thu 10 Jul 14

WisdomSpeaks says...

WisdomSpeaks wrote:
If we get £7M for Leo I think it's a good piece of business considering what we paid for him. I like him both as a player and a person and if he really wants to get PL experience now rather than wait to help get us up then that's fair enough. He's always given his all and worked his butt off for the cause.

So as long as we can re invest whatever cones in from his intended sale lets go for it. Get it sorted sooner rather than layer and get our squad settled in for the new season.
That should have read 'later' not 'layer'!
[quote][p][bold]WisdomSpeaks[/bold] wrote: If we get £7M for Leo I think it's a good piece of business considering what we paid for him. I like him both as a player and a person and if he really wants to get PL experience now rather than wait to help get us up then that's fair enough. He's always given his all and worked his butt off for the cause. So as long as we can re invest whatever cones in from his intended sale lets go for it. Get it sorted sooner rather than layer and get our squad settled in for the new season.[/p][/quote]That should have read 'later' not 'layer'! WisdomSpeaks
  • Score: 0

8:00pm Thu 10 Jul 14

arc12 says...

Asleep in Dorset wrote:
arc12 wrote:
I'd take £7.5 as that's definitely more than his market value IMO. Clear our debts in one swoop and then CMS will be our one up front with Fenelon as back up. That's ok for me. I'm not expecting us to challenge this season but I'd take a season or two of mediocrity having been through the lean years travelling up to Gillingham every week all those years ago.

Some of us have to get real and realise just how bad things were in the past to understand that things are not as bad now as people make out. Too many Johnny come lately's who have jumped on the bandwagon in the last 3 seasons just seem to expect instant success. Those of us who supported and travelled with the team in those really bad times are grateful we have a club to support at all.
think we've had two years of mediocrity...
Think they were mediocre ? Where were you in the latter Goldstone and Gillingham years - compared to those the last couple of seasons have been like watching the Champions League! That's how bad the stadium was and the level and quality of football.
[quote][p][bold]Asleep in Dorset[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]arc12[/bold] wrote: I'd take £7.5 as that's definitely more than his market value IMO. Clear our debts in one swoop and then CMS will be our one up front with Fenelon as back up. That's ok for me. I'm not expecting us to challenge this season but I'd take a season or two of mediocrity having been through the lean years travelling up to Gillingham every week all those years ago. Some of us have to get real and realise just how bad things were in the past to understand that things are not as bad now as people make out. Too many Johnny come lately's who have jumped on the bandwagon in the last 3 seasons just seem to expect instant success. Those of us who supported and travelled with the team in those really bad times are grateful we have a club to support at all.[/p][/quote]think we've had two years of mediocrity...[/p][/quote]Think they were mediocre ? Where were you in the latter Goldstone and Gillingham years - compared to those the last couple of seasons have been like watching the Champions League! That's how bad the stadium was and the level and quality of football. arc12
  • Score: 16

8:05pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Withdean-er says...

brighton bluenose wrote:
mark5 wrote:
I suspect this means that Leo will now be on his way. A raised offer and the rumour that Leo is disaffected and underwhelmed by our transfer activity, will combine to ensure the sale. This also means we should be able to bring in some quality to ensure we compete this year. Thanks for a couple of good years Leo.................


......onwards and upwards! UTA!
Rumour from where ffs - total rubbish that just get repeated ad nauseum until...........it just ends up in further rumour!
It was only a few months ago that Leo said he was very happy at the Amex and whilst we can understand that he might well want to play at a higher level he is under contract for a good while yet - it is up to Hyypia to use this Spanish trip to convince the boy what an essential part of our team he is and how both Ulloa and the club will thrive under Samis leadership!!
Telegraph website, well respected and not prone to lies, indicating £7.5m deal is close and they state Ulloa wants to go. So I believe them and not fans refusing to admit defeat.
[quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark5[/bold] wrote: I suspect this means that Leo will now be on his way. A raised offer and the rumour that Leo is disaffected and underwhelmed by our transfer activity, will combine to ensure the sale. This also means we should be able to bring in some quality to ensure we compete this year. Thanks for a couple of good years Leo................. ......onwards and upwards! UTA![/p][/quote]Rumour from where ffs - total rubbish that just get repeated ad nauseum until...........it just ends up in further rumour! It was only a few months ago that Leo said he was very happy at the Amex and whilst we can understand that he might well want to play at a higher level he is under contract for a good while yet - it is up to Hyypia to use this Spanish trip to convince the boy what an essential part of our team he is and how both Ulloa and the club will thrive under Samis leadership!![/p][/quote]Telegraph website, well respected and not prone to lies, indicating £7.5m deal is close and they state Ulloa wants to go. So I believe them and not fans refusing to admit defeat. Withdean-er
  • Score: 4

8:05pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Withdean-er says...

brighton bluenose wrote:
mark5 wrote:
I suspect this means that Leo will now be on his way. A raised offer and the rumour that Leo is disaffected and underwhelmed by our transfer activity, will combine to ensure the sale. This also means we should be able to bring in some quality to ensure we compete this year. Thanks for a couple of good years Leo.................


......onwards and upwards! UTA!
Rumour from where ffs - total rubbish that just get repeated ad nauseum until...........it just ends up in further rumour!
It was only a few months ago that Leo said he was very happy at the Amex and whilst we can understand that he might well want to play at a higher level he is under contract for a good while yet - it is up to Hyypia to use this Spanish trip to convince the boy what an essential part of our team he is and how both Ulloa and the club will thrive under Samis leadership!!
Telegraph website, well respected and not prone to lies, indicating £7.5m deal is close and they state Ulloa wants to go. So I believe them and not fans refusing to admit defeat.
[quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark5[/bold] wrote: I suspect this means that Leo will now be on his way. A raised offer and the rumour that Leo is disaffected and underwhelmed by our transfer activity, will combine to ensure the sale. This also means we should be able to bring in some quality to ensure we compete this year. Thanks for a couple of good years Leo................. ......onwards and upwards! UTA![/p][/quote]Rumour from where ffs - total rubbish that just get repeated ad nauseum until...........it just ends up in further rumour! It was only a few months ago that Leo said he was very happy at the Amex and whilst we can understand that he might well want to play at a higher level he is under contract for a good while yet - it is up to Hyypia to use this Spanish trip to convince the boy what an essential part of our team he is and how both Ulloa and the club will thrive under Samis leadership!![/p][/quote]Telegraph website, well respected and not prone to lies, indicating £7.5m deal is close and they state Ulloa wants to go. So I believe them and not fans refusing to admit defeat. Withdean-er
  • Score: 0

8:07pm Thu 10 Jul 14

ringtone says...

He is gone.

Needs to lose a few pounds to get a few million.
He is gone. Needs to lose a few pounds to get a few million. ringtone
  • Score: -3

8:10pm Thu 10 Jul 14

ringtone says...

Withdean-er wrote:
brighton bluenose wrote:
mark5 wrote:
I suspect this means that Leo will now be on his way. A raised offer and the rumour that Leo is disaffected and underwhelmed by our transfer activity, will combine to ensure the sale. This also means we should be able to bring in some quality to ensure we compete this year. Thanks for a couple of good years Leo.................



......onwards and upwards! UTA!
Rumour from where ffs - total rubbish that just get repeated ad nauseum until...........it just ends up in further rumour!
It was only a few months ago that Leo said he was very happy at the Amex and whilst we can understand that he might well want to play at a higher level he is under contract for a good while yet - it is up to Hyypia to use this Spanish trip to convince the boy what an essential part of our team he is and how both Ulloa and the club will thrive under Samis leadership!!
Telegraph website, well respected and not prone to lies, indicating £7.5m deal is close and they state Ulloa wants to go. So I believe them and not fans refusing to admit defeat.
Good post.

Of course he wants to go.

Maybe some think he has been a Brighton fan all his life.
[quote][p][bold]Withdean-er[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark5[/bold] wrote: I suspect this means that Leo will now be on his way. A raised offer and the rumour that Leo is disaffected and underwhelmed by our transfer activity, will combine to ensure the sale. This also means we should be able to bring in some quality to ensure we compete this year. Thanks for a couple of good years Leo................. ......onwards and upwards! UTA![/p][/quote]Rumour from where ffs - total rubbish that just get repeated ad nauseum until...........it just ends up in further rumour! It was only a few months ago that Leo said he was very happy at the Amex and whilst we can understand that he might well want to play at a higher level he is under contract for a good while yet - it is up to Hyypia to use this Spanish trip to convince the boy what an essential part of our team he is and how both Ulloa and the club will thrive under Samis leadership!![/p][/quote]Telegraph website, well respected and not prone to lies, indicating £7.5m deal is close and they state Ulloa wants to go. So I believe them and not fans refusing to admit defeat.[/p][/quote]Good post. Of course he wants to go. Maybe some think he has been a Brighton fan all his life. ringtone
  • Score: -4

8:10pm Thu 10 Jul 14

mark by the sea says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
brightonup wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Prior to today, the highest estimate of the Leicester bid for Leo was around 5M, and the press tells us that the club value him nearer 10M, are Leicester trying to steal him by offering around 6M, or are they being realistic given that he is not a prem div striker, as of yet. If they are being realistic, what does that say about the Fulham deal, 11M, for McCormack?
Fulham paid over the odds for cormack, however if he scores 25 and they go up he is cheap! We will be lucky to be top ten in my opinion.
...then you will be happy, won't you.
I am looking forward to reading your life affirming, positive comment throughout the season.
Not happy, but if you can't see problems ahead your mad! We don't have enough players to fill a team sheet of 18 , and Burke is playing King Canute with players wage demands.
we don't have enough players, doubt many would argue against that, but not so sure how you can justify your last comment, re Burke.
If yor thinking is based on the Ward issue and the reported extra 3K a week he is looking for, perhaps it would help if we also knew the other details of his proposed move to the Amex.

What fee is being for asked for him, we are told that it is not big but we have no idea what it is.
How long a contract is Ward looking for, maybe longer than we want to offer, or maybe shorter.
3K a week is not as lot to haggle over, but over a three year deal, that's an extra 450K.
Even a two year deal see the numbers add up. Guess at 300K fee plus 13K a week wages, that's 1.6M over just two years, 2.4M over three.

If the Ward deal was not what you were thinking of, perhaps you could tell.
We paid 2.5 million to cms Hoskins and augustin last season in wages ! Football is not based on simple economics!
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]brightonup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Prior to today, the highest estimate of the Leicester bid for Leo was around 5M, and the press tells us that the club value him nearer 10M, are Leicester trying to steal him by offering around 6M, or are they being realistic given that he is not a prem div striker, as of yet. If they are being realistic, what does that say about the Fulham deal, 11M, for McCormack?[/p][/quote]Fulham paid over the odds for cormack, however if he scores 25 and they go up he is cheap! We will be lucky to be top ten in my opinion.[/p][/quote]...then you will be happy, won't you. I am looking forward to reading your life affirming, positive comment throughout the season.[/p][/quote]Not happy, but if you can't see problems ahead your mad! We don't have enough players to fill a team sheet of 18 , and Burke is playing King Canute with players wage demands.[/p][/quote]we don't have enough players, doubt many would argue against that, but not so sure how you can justify your last comment, re Burke. If yor thinking is based on the Ward issue and the reported extra 3K a week he is looking for, perhaps it would help if we also knew the other details of his proposed move to the Amex. What fee is being for asked for him, we are told that it is not big but we have no idea what it is. How long a contract is Ward looking for, maybe longer than we want to offer, or maybe shorter. 3K a week is not as lot to haggle over, but over a three year deal, that's an extra 450K. Even a two year deal see the numbers add up. Guess at 300K fee plus 13K a week wages, that's 1.6M over just two years, 2.4M over three. If the Ward deal was not what you were thinking of, perhaps you could tell.[/p][/quote]We paid 2.5 million to cms Hoskins and augustin last season in wages ! Football is not based on simple economics! mark by the sea
  • Score: 0

8:15pm Thu 10 Jul 14

ringtone says...

OldGull wrote:
I think there is a myth developing around Leo Ulloa.
Whilst he was out injured last season,
Albion W5 D3 L2.
3 of those wins we scored 3 goals

I think he is a good old style target man, but when he came back from injury, we started lumping long balls up to him.
When he was out, we didn't have that option and played some of our best football.
If we can get £7m I would take it and look for a more mobile striker
UTA
Finally an OldGull i can get on board with.

Straight talking, from the heart.

I love you, man.
[quote][p][bold]OldGull[/bold] wrote: I think there is a myth developing around Leo Ulloa. Whilst he was out injured last season, Albion W5 D3 L2. 3 of those wins we scored 3 goals I think he is a good old style target man, but when he came back from injury, we started lumping long balls up to him. When he was out, we didn't have that option and played some of our best football. If we can get £7m I would take it and look for a more mobile striker UTA[/p][/quote]Finally an OldGull i can get on board with. Straight talking, from the heart. I love you, man. ringtone
  • Score: -1

8:16pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Bucket feet Duffy says...

mark by the sea wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
A new bid from Leicester isn't a shock, I think we all knew it would come. The Argus suggests that the figure is something north of 6 million, the Times Online 7.5 million, so which is right.
If the Times has it correct then I think we are close to saying goodbye to Leo, just need to add a transfer request from Leo bumping the net figure to Brighton to over 8 million. Something over 6 million won't get it done, IMHO, the McCormack deal ensures that.

If the quoted figures from the Times are correct the gap between what we are asking and what Leicester are offering is closing, closing to a point where a deal can be reached. I would suggest that we look to hear of Brighton going in for a striker of note, possibly a loan deal but maybe a purchase, as a sign that a deal has been struck subject to Brighton getting their target. We could be a couple of weeks away from finding anything out that stands up to scrutiny.
If the club doesn't come out and kill this latest bid, then we know that a sale could be close, and that the Argus was off the mark with it's figures, unless Brighton would take what most would see as a low bid.
The question in point is 7.5 million, however the Albion want him to ask for a transfer, meaning club get extra 750k
In excess of 6m and 7.5 could mean the same !
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: A new bid from Leicester isn't a shock, I think we all knew it would come. The Argus suggests that the figure is something north of 6 million, the Times Online 7.5 million, so which is right. If the Times has it correct then I think we are close to saying goodbye to Leo, just need to add a transfer request from Leo bumping the net figure to Brighton to over 8 million. Something over 6 million won't get it done, IMHO, the McCormack deal ensures that. If the quoted figures from the Times are correct the gap between what we are asking and what Leicester are offering is closing, closing to a point where a deal can be reached. I would suggest that we look to hear of Brighton going in for a striker of note, possibly a loan deal but maybe a purchase, as a sign that a deal has been struck subject to Brighton getting their target. We could be a couple of weeks away from finding anything out that stands up to scrutiny. If the club doesn't come out and kill this latest bid, then we know that a sale could be close, and that the Argus was off the mark with it's figures, unless Brighton would take what most would see as a low bid.[/p][/quote]The question in point is 7.5 million, however the Albion want him to ask for a transfer, meaning club get extra 750k[/p][/quote]In excess of 6m and 7.5 could mean the same ! Bucket feet Duffy
  • Score: 0

8:40pm Thu 10 Jul 14

PressBoxTeaBoy says...

Must pay attention to the fact that McCormack is playing Championship football next season on an £11m price tag, nobody in the Prem took him on did they.
On that basis, if Ulloa is headed to Prem level, then surely that makes him a more valuable asset than the £11m that McCormack commanded.

Make sense? Ulloa's value then is surely north of £11m, so we'd be silly to sell him for a penny less than the £11m.
Must pay attention to the fact that McCormack is playing Championship football next season on an £11m price tag, nobody in the Prem took him on did they. On that basis, if Ulloa is headed to Prem level, then surely that makes him a more valuable asset than the £11m that McCormack commanded. Make sense? Ulloa's value then is surely north of £11m, so we'd be silly to sell him for a penny less than the £11m. PressBoxTeaBoy
  • Score: 2

8:43pm Thu 10 Jul 14

rolivan says...

Hopefully he won't pick up a Bridcutt "injury and be out til January windows opens.
Hopefully he won't pick up a Bridcutt "injury and be out til January windows opens. rolivan
  • Score: 2

8:55pm Thu 10 Jul 14

tug509 says...

PressBoxTeaBoy wrote:
Must pay attention to the fact that McCormack is playing Championship football next season on an £11m price tag, nobody in the Prem took him on did they.
On that basis, if Ulloa is headed to Prem level, then surely that makes him a more valuable asset than the £11m that McCormack commanded.

Make sense? Ulloa's value then is surely north of £11m, so we'd be silly to sell him for a penny less than the £11m.
See Gordongull 6-55pm .
[quote][p][bold]PressBoxTeaBoy[/bold] wrote: Must pay attention to the fact that McCormack is playing Championship football next season on an £11m price tag, nobody in the Prem took him on did they. On that basis, if Ulloa is headed to Prem level, then surely that makes him a more valuable asset than the £11m that McCormack commanded. Make sense? Ulloa's value then is surely north of £11m, so we'd be silly to sell him for a penny less than the £11m.[/p][/quote]See Gordongull 6-55pm . tug509
  • Score: 0

9:17pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Rougvie Legend says...

i think Ulloa will be on his way very soon now if the mentioned figures are correct i wish him the very best , Leicesters gamble to ignore ffp paid off as it will for some and wont for others , on another note is our biggest investment CMS out of contract next summer if so that needs sorting now a good season and he could walk for free , on the other hand another average season injurys or not and we wont recoup the 2.5m investment anyhow
i think Ulloa will be on his way very soon now if the mentioned figures are correct i wish him the very best , Leicesters gamble to ignore ffp paid off as it will for some and wont for others , on another note is our biggest investment CMS out of contract next summer if so that needs sorting now a good season and he could walk for free , on the other hand another average season injurys or not and we wont recoup the 2.5m investment anyhow Rougvie Legend
  • Score: 2

9:26pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Withdean-er says...

tug509 wrote:
PressBoxTeaBoy wrote:
Must pay attention to the fact that McCormack is playing Championship football next season on an £11m price tag, nobody in the Prem took him on did they.
On that basis, if Ulloa is headed to Prem level, then surely that makes him a more valuable asset than the £11m that McCormack commanded.

Make sense? Ulloa's value then is surely north of £11m, so we'd be silly to sell him for a penny less than the £11m.
See Gordongull 6-55pm .
If no club is prepared to pay more than £7.5m, and Ulloa / his representatives are making it plain he wants to go, then £7.5m is the price. To me, that's amazing money for a player who isn't young, is slow and immobile, and constantly whinging to match officials. But regardless of whether my opinion or those who adore Ulloa is right, in the real world no club seriously considers throwing a discontent player into the reserves to teach them a lesson and to keep them come what may. Instead, players are sold, with that amazing money hopefully reinvested in new players.

As for this futile and desperate obsession in benchmarking every deal against McCormack's, who says that carries a unique reference point .... just a few inconsequential BHA fans on a website? PL goal machine, pace to burn and youthful Sturridge sold for £12m. We could all pick examples of over and under paying, but it boils down to what the highest bidder is prepared to pay for Ulloa.
[quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PressBoxTeaBoy[/bold] wrote: Must pay attention to the fact that McCormack is playing Championship football next season on an £11m price tag, nobody in the Prem took him on did they. On that basis, if Ulloa is headed to Prem level, then surely that makes him a more valuable asset than the £11m that McCormack commanded. Make sense? Ulloa's value then is surely north of £11m, so we'd be silly to sell him for a penny less than the £11m.[/p][/quote]See Gordongull 6-55pm .[/p][/quote]If no club is prepared to pay more than £7.5m, and Ulloa / his representatives are making it plain he wants to go, then £7.5m is the price. To me, that's amazing money for a player who isn't young, is slow and immobile, and constantly whinging to match officials. But regardless of whether my opinion or those who adore Ulloa is right, in the real world no club seriously considers throwing a discontent player into the reserves to teach them a lesson and to keep them come what may. Instead, players are sold, with that amazing money hopefully reinvested in new players. As for this futile and desperate obsession in benchmarking every deal against McCormack's, who says that carries a unique reference point .... just a few inconsequential BHA fans on a website? PL goal machine, pace to burn and youthful Sturridge sold for £12m. We could all pick examples of over and under paying, but it boils down to what the highest bidder is prepared to pay for Ulloa. Withdean-er
  • Score: 5

9:26pm Thu 10 Jul 14

driverchris53 says...

There is no way we can stand in Leo's way if Leicester approach our valuation;I have my doubts if he is good enough for the Premier League but, at the same time,i don't think we have seen the best of him;he has had injures here and poor service.
My worrries are we seem to have no idea in the transfer market;we seem to go after players we have no prospect of signing;and are prone to making derisory offers.I imagine there are deals in the pipeline we know nothing about;and some loan deals ahead;as loan deals often seem to come in August.The squad is very short at the moment;at least 5 or 6 players short;hopefully Ward will come back on a loan;no one else seems to be interested.
I still believe we will be there or thereabouts come playoff time;we still have some very good players and i expect Sami to bring the young players on.Jake Forester-Caskey went backwards last year;i expect a lot of him;we have Crofts coming back.
Just hoping it all works out;it would be embarrasing to start the season with just 15 senior players.
There is no way we can stand in Leo's way if Leicester approach our valuation;I have my doubts if he is good enough for the Premier League but, at the same time,i don't think we have seen the best of him;he has had injures here and poor service. My worrries are we seem to have no idea in the transfer market;we seem to go after players we have no prospect of signing;and are prone to making derisory offers.I imagine there are deals in the pipeline we know nothing about;and some loan deals ahead;as loan deals often seem to come in August.The squad is very short at the moment;at least 5 or 6 players short;hopefully Ward will come back on a loan;no one else seems to be interested. I still believe we will be there or thereabouts come playoff time;we still have some very good players and i expect Sami to bring the young players on.Jake Forester-Caskey went backwards last year;i expect a lot of him;we have Crofts coming back. Just hoping it all works out;it would be embarrasing to start the season with just 15 senior players. driverchris53
  • Score: 1

9:32pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Cockwomble says...

OldGull wrote:
I think there is a myth developing around Leo Ulloa.
Whilst he was out injured last season,
Albion W5 D3 L2.
3 of those wins we scored 3 goals

I think he is a good old style target man, but when he came back from injury, we started lumping long balls up to him.
When he was out, we didn't have that option and played some of our best football.
If we can get £7m I would take it and look for a more mobile striker
UTA
who were we playing though?its hard to make judgements based on just a few games.personally like many others i dont know the first thing about how to value players.i would never have though david luiz was worth more than tuppence and he is a total cockwomble.
[quote][p][bold]OldGull[/bold] wrote: I think there is a myth developing around Leo Ulloa. Whilst he was out injured last season, Albion W5 D3 L2. 3 of those wins we scored 3 goals I think he is a good old style target man, but when he came back from injury, we started lumping long balls up to him. When he was out, we didn't have that option and played some of our best football. If we can get £7m I would take it and look for a more mobile striker UTA[/p][/quote]who were we playing though?its hard to make judgements based on just a few games.personally like many others i dont know the first thing about how to value players.i would never have though david luiz was worth more than tuppence and he is a total cockwomble. Cockwomble
  • Score: 1

9:37pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Withdean-er says...

driverchris53 wrote:
There is no way we can stand in Leo's way if Leicester approach our valuation;I have my doubts if he is good enough for the Premier League but, at the same time,i don't think we have seen the best of him;he has had injures here and poor service.
My worrries are we seem to have no idea in the transfer market;we seem to go after players we have no prospect of signing;and are prone to making derisory offers.I imagine there are deals in the pipeline we know nothing about;and some loan deals ahead;as loan deals often seem to come in August.The squad is very short at the moment;at least 5 or 6 players short;hopefully Ward will come back on a loan;no one else seems to be interested.
I still believe we will be there or thereabouts come playoff time;we still have some very good players and i expect Sami to bring the young players on.Jake Forester-Caskey went backwards last year;i expect a lot of him;we have Crofts coming back.
Just hoping it all works out;it would be embarrasing to start the season with just 15 senior players.
At selling though, we seem to be getting really good .... £7.5m for the ponderous 28 year old.

I will wait until 1st September before condemning the buying side. With the many many millions from the sales of Barnes, Bridcutt and likely Ulloa, and the vast payroll savings made from say 18 months ago (think about all the players departed since then), surely we can acquire several class players this Summer. They are very much needed.
[quote][p][bold]driverchris53[/bold] wrote: There is no way we can stand in Leo's way if Leicester approach our valuation;I have my doubts if he is good enough for the Premier League but, at the same time,i don't think we have seen the best of him;he has had injures here and poor service. My worrries are we seem to have no idea in the transfer market;we seem to go after players we have no prospect of signing;and are prone to making derisory offers.I imagine there are deals in the pipeline we know nothing about;and some loan deals ahead;as loan deals often seem to come in August.The squad is very short at the moment;at least 5 or 6 players short;hopefully Ward will come back on a loan;no one else seems to be interested. I still believe we will be there or thereabouts come playoff time;we still have some very good players and i expect Sami to bring the young players on.Jake Forester-Caskey went backwards last year;i expect a lot of him;we have Crofts coming back. Just hoping it all works out;it would be embarrasing to start the season with just 15 senior players.[/p][/quote]At selling though, we seem to be getting really good .... £7.5m for the ponderous 28 year old. I will wait until 1st September before condemning the buying side. With the many many millions from the sales of Barnes, Bridcutt and likely Ulloa, and the vast payroll savings made from say 18 months ago (think about all the players departed since then), surely we can acquire several class players this Summer. They are very much needed. Withdean-er
  • Score: 2

9:39pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Withdean-er says...

Cockwomble wrote:
OldGull wrote:
I think there is a myth developing around Leo Ulloa.
Whilst he was out injured last season,
Albion W5 D3 L2.
3 of those wins we scored 3 goals

I think he is a good old style target man, but when he came back from injury, we started lumping long balls up to him.
When he was out, we didn't have that option and played some of our best football.
If we can get £7m I would take it and look for a more mobile striker
UTA
who were we playing though?its hard to make judgements based on just a few games.personally like many others i dont know the first thing about how to value players.i would never have though david luiz was worth more than tuppence and he is a total cockwomble.
Based on Luiz's WC to add to his already poor reputation at defending and mistakes, looks like Maureenho has well and truly stitched-up PSG with the ridiculous fee.
[quote][p][bold]Cockwomble[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OldGull[/bold] wrote: I think there is a myth developing around Leo Ulloa. Whilst he was out injured last season, Albion W5 D3 L2. 3 of those wins we scored 3 goals I think he is a good old style target man, but when he came back from injury, we started lumping long balls up to him. When he was out, we didn't have that option and played some of our best football. If we can get £7m I would take it and look for a more mobile striker UTA[/p][/quote]who were we playing though?its hard to make judgements based on just a few games.personally like many others i dont know the first thing about how to value players.i would never have though david luiz was worth more than tuppence and he is a total cockwomble.[/p][/quote]Based on Luiz's WC to add to his already poor reputation at defending and mistakes, looks like Maureenho has well and truly stitched-up PSG with the ridiculous fee. Withdean-er
  • Score: 0

9:44pm Thu 10 Jul 14

kwaidam says...

a bid of 6 million, or ten million means nothing to fans unless it is going to be reinvested in the team. Or will it just go into the blackhole that is Barber's bonus? Shame Leicester don't see him as the man to take them forward. We can throw in Burke and Jones for free.
a bid of 6 million, or ten million means nothing to fans unless it is going to be reinvested in the team. Or will it just go into the blackhole that is Barber's bonus? Shame Leicester don't see him as the man to take them forward. We can throw in Burke and Jones for free. kwaidam
  • Score: -10

9:44pm Thu 10 Jul 14

brightonup says...

Withdean-er wrote:
tug509 wrote:
PressBoxTeaBoy wrote:
Must pay attention to the fact that McCormack is playing Championship football next season on an £11m price tag, nobody in the Prem took him on did they.
On that basis, if Ulloa is headed to Prem level, then surely that makes him a more valuable asset than the £11m that McCormack commanded.

Make sense? Ulloa's value then is surely north of £11m, so we'd be silly to sell him for a penny less than the £11m.
See Gordongull 6-55pm .
If no club is prepared to pay more than £7.5m, and Ulloa / his representatives are making it plain he wants to go, then £7.5m is the price. To me, that's amazing money for a player who isn't young, is slow and immobile, and constantly whinging to match officials. But regardless of whether my opinion or those who adore Ulloa is right, in the real world no club seriously considers throwing a discontent player into the reserves to teach them a lesson and to keep them come what may. Instead, players are sold, with that amazing money hopefully reinvested in new players.

As for this futile and desperate obsession in benchmarking every deal against McCormack's, who says that carries a unique reference point .... just a few inconsequential BHA fans on a website? PL goal machine, pace to burn and youthful Sturridge sold for £12m. We could all pick examples of over and under paying, but it boils down to what the highest bidder is prepared to pay for Ulloa.
...and if B&HA was a bank that would be good business sense, but unless there is a quality replacement lined up it makes no sense at all.
[quote][p][bold]Withdean-er[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PressBoxTeaBoy[/bold] wrote: Must pay attention to the fact that McCormack is playing Championship football next season on an £11m price tag, nobody in the Prem took him on did they. On that basis, if Ulloa is headed to Prem level, then surely that makes him a more valuable asset than the £11m that McCormack commanded. Make sense? Ulloa's value then is surely north of £11m, so we'd be silly to sell him for a penny less than the £11m.[/p][/quote]See Gordongull 6-55pm .[/p][/quote]If no club is prepared to pay more than £7.5m, and Ulloa / his representatives are making it plain he wants to go, then £7.5m is the price. To me, that's amazing money for a player who isn't young, is slow and immobile, and constantly whinging to match officials. But regardless of whether my opinion or those who adore Ulloa is right, in the real world no club seriously considers throwing a discontent player into the reserves to teach them a lesson and to keep them come what may. Instead, players are sold, with that amazing money hopefully reinvested in new players. As for this futile and desperate obsession in benchmarking every deal against McCormack's, who says that carries a unique reference point .... just a few inconsequential BHA fans on a website? PL goal machine, pace to burn and youthful Sturridge sold for £12m. We could all pick examples of over and under paying, but it boils down to what the highest bidder is prepared to pay for Ulloa.[/p][/quote]...and if B&HA was a bank that would be good business sense, but unless there is a quality replacement lined up it makes no sense at all. brightonup
  • Score: 1

9:49pm Thu 10 Jul 14

New Jersey Seagull says...

Several contributors have suggested that the sale of Ulloa will provide money for the purchase of new players. If this occurs, BHA will have approximately 12 million pounds in the bank from the sale of players just this year and hypothetically, they could purchase four three million pound players. However, there are significant problems with this assumption, the relationship between the size of the fee and players/agent’s salary expectations. Will the club be willing to change their salary structure to accommodate these players?
One way to overcome this problem is to recruit hidden gems, most likely from abroad, where the possibility of doing an Ulloa can justify a lower salary now for riches in the future. Do those involved in recruiting players have the capacity to find hidden gems?
Last season Oscar did a remarkable job of getting BHA to the playoffs considering the number of injuries, the loss of significant players during the mid season window and quality of certain players recruited on loan. Do the manager and first team coach have the qualities necessary to maximize the performance of a similar group of players to achieve automatic promotion or finish in the playoffs?
Certain contributors have complimented BHA on their adherence to FFP and low risk financial strategy. Will those same fans adopt such a long-term view of the club’s development if we are out of playoff contention early in the season?

UTA
Several contributors have suggested that the sale of Ulloa will provide money for the purchase of new players. If this occurs, BHA will have approximately 12 million pounds in the bank from the sale of players just this year and hypothetically, they could purchase four three million pound players. However, there are significant problems with this assumption, the relationship between the size of the fee and players/agent’s salary expectations. Will the club be willing to change their salary structure to accommodate these players? One way to overcome this problem is to recruit hidden gems, most likely from abroad, where the possibility of doing an Ulloa can justify a lower salary now for riches in the future. Do those involved in recruiting players have the capacity to find hidden gems? Last season Oscar did a remarkable job of getting BHA to the playoffs considering the number of injuries, the loss of significant players during the mid season window and quality of certain players recruited on loan. Do the manager and first team coach have the qualities necessary to maximize the performance of a similar group of players to achieve automatic promotion or finish in the playoffs? Certain contributors have complimented BHA on their adherence to FFP and low risk financial strategy. Will those same fans adopt such a long-term view of the club’s development if we are out of playoff contention early in the season? UTA New Jersey Seagull
  • Score: 1

10:03pm Thu 10 Jul 14

heshootshescores says...

What's the point in wasting money on a pre-season trip to Spain when your main striker is on the verge of leaving and you're four or five players short of the team you hope to field?

The players could have achieved the same level of fitness running up and down Brighton beach.
What's the point in wasting money on a pre-season trip to Spain when your main striker is on the verge of leaving and you're four or five players short of the team you hope to field? The players could have achieved the same level of fitness running up and down Brighton beach. heshootshescores
  • Score: -6

10:03pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Withdean-er says...

New Jersey Seagull wrote:
Several contributors have suggested that the sale of Ulloa will provide money for the purchase of new players. If this occurs, BHA will have approximately 12 million pounds in the bank from the sale of players just this year and hypothetically, they could purchase four three million pound players. However, there are significant problems with this assumption, the relationship between the size of the fee and players/agent’s salary expectations. Will the club be willing to change their salary structure to accommodate these players?
One way to overcome this problem is to recruit hidden gems, most likely from abroad, where the possibility of doing an Ulloa can justify a lower salary now for riches in the future. Do those involved in recruiting players have the capacity to find hidden gems?
Last season Oscar did a remarkable job of getting BHA to the playoffs considering the number of injuries, the loss of significant players during the mid season window and quality of certain players recruited on loan. Do the manager and first team coach have the qualities necessary to maximize the performance of a similar group of players to achieve automatic promotion or finish in the playoffs?
Certain contributors have complimented BHA on their adherence to FFP and low risk financial strategy. Will those same fans adopt such a long-term view of the club’s development if we are out of playoff contention early in the season?

UTA
Good point about Garcia - with a squad ravaged by injuries, players who games collapsed eg Lopez, and several key departures last Summer, Ob achieved an unlikely play off place.

I personally am not obsessed with usgetting to the PL. To start off with, what would fans think of their season ticket price increasing by say £200 per season? It's more for me about playing exciting attacking or counter attacking football with pace all other the pitch (achieved under Poyet in L1, but mostly missing under Poyet in the Championship despite his spending spree on players), a great home games win record in a fortress Amex, and feeling that the club is moving forward with great coaching, good player acquisitions and the academy beginning to produce.
[quote][p][bold]New Jersey Seagull[/bold] wrote: Several contributors have suggested that the sale of Ulloa will provide money for the purchase of new players. If this occurs, BHA will have approximately 12 million pounds in the bank from the sale of players just this year and hypothetically, they could purchase four three million pound players. However, there are significant problems with this assumption, the relationship between the size of the fee and players/agent’s salary expectations. Will the club be willing to change their salary structure to accommodate these players? One way to overcome this problem is to recruit hidden gems, most likely from abroad, where the possibility of doing an Ulloa can justify a lower salary now for riches in the future. Do those involved in recruiting players have the capacity to find hidden gems? Last season Oscar did a remarkable job of getting BHA to the playoffs considering the number of injuries, the loss of significant players during the mid season window and quality of certain players recruited on loan. Do the manager and first team coach have the qualities necessary to maximize the performance of a similar group of players to achieve automatic promotion or finish in the playoffs? Certain contributors have complimented BHA on their adherence to FFP and low risk financial strategy. Will those same fans adopt such a long-term view of the club’s development if we are out of playoff contention early in the season? UTA[/p][/quote]Good point about Garcia - with a squad ravaged by injuries, players who games collapsed eg Lopez, and several key departures last Summer, Ob achieved an unlikely play off place. I personally am not obsessed with usgetting to the PL. To start off with, what would fans think of their season ticket price increasing by say £200 per season? It's more for me about playing exciting attacking or counter attacking football with pace all other the pitch (achieved under Poyet in L1, but mostly missing under Poyet in the Championship despite his spending spree on players), a great home games win record in a fortress Amex, and feeling that the club is moving forward with great coaching, good player acquisitions and the academy beginning to produce. Withdean-er
  • Score: 2

10:26pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Bye bye bres says...

Get the highest bid and take it........4000 have not renewed their season tickets,we need the dosh !
Get the highest bid and take it........4000 have not renewed their season tickets,we need the dosh ! Bye bye bres
  • Score: -1

10:37pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Withdean-er says...

Bye bye bres wrote:
Get the highest bid and take it........4000 have not renewed their season tickets,we need the dosh !
Is that stat true?
[quote][p][bold]Bye bye bres[/bold] wrote: Get the highest bid and take it........4000 have not renewed their season tickets,we need the dosh ![/p][/quote]Is that stat true? Withdean-er
  • Score: 0

10:46pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Guernsey gull says...

Withdean-er wrote:
Bye bye bres wrote:
Get the highest bid and take it........4000 have not renewed their season tickets,we need the dosh !
Is that stat true?
Well is it true or is it not.
Do you have facts to support this .
If not why do you say it ?
[quote][p][bold]Withdean-er[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bye bye bres[/bold] wrote: Get the highest bid and take it........4000 have not renewed their season tickets,we need the dosh ![/p][/quote]Is that stat true?[/p][/quote]Well is it true or is it not. Do you have facts to support this . If not why do you say it ? Guernsey gull
  • Score: 2

10:47pm Thu 10 Jul 14

brianw52 says...

tug509 wrote:
Surely Leicester can get it through their thick heads : We say £10m ,they say £6m ,so give us £8m and you will probably get your man ,otherwise stop playing with the guy`s head and wasting our time .
Not sure it's Leicester who are thick! It's only a matter of time now.
[quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: Surely Leicester can get it through their thick heads : We say £10m ,they say £6m ,so give us £8m and you will probably get your man ,otherwise stop playing with the guy`s head and wasting our time .[/p][/quote]Not sure it's Leicester who are thick! It's only a matter of time now. brianw52
  • Score: 3

10:58pm Thu 10 Jul 14

tug509 says...

brianw52 wrote:
tug509 wrote:
Surely Leicester can get it through their thick heads : We say £10m ,they say £6m ,so give us £8m and you will probably get your man ,otherwise stop playing with the guy`s head and wasting our time .
Not sure it's Leicester who are thick! It's only a matter of time now.
My point was that Leicester have known from a very early stage what we were asking ,unyet still made 3 offers that were nowhere near ,the only reasons I can think of for that are 1/ they are trying to get Leo to put some pressure on ,which they have succeeded with or 2/ they are thick ! .
[quote][p][bold]brianw52[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: Surely Leicester can get it through their thick heads : We say £10m ,they say £6m ,so give us £8m and you will probably get your man ,otherwise stop playing with the guy`s head and wasting our time .[/p][/quote]Not sure it's Leicester who are thick! It's only a matter of time now.[/p][/quote]My point was that Leicester have known from a very early stage what we were asking ,unyet still made 3 offers that were nowhere near ,the only reasons I can think of for that are 1/ they are trying to get Leo to put some pressure on ,which they have succeeded with or 2/ they are thick ! . tug509
  • Score: -1

11:00pm Thu 10 Jul 14

VegasSeagull says...

If the offer is six million, plus add-ons, I would expect to hear that the club has turned it down, if how ever the bid is seven and a half million, plus add-ons, my guess is that they will accept it. It has been widely reported that we value Ulloa at ten million, and that might be true, but all evaluations have a bottom line figure that will be accepted, and I think that seven and a half is probably close enough for them to say yes.
It is very obvious that Ulloa does not have a release clause in his contract, if he did we would have heard about it by now, I am pretty sure his agent would have leaked it to the press by way of encouraging someoe to meet it, the someone being Leicester.

Tomorrow will tell us all, or at least it should. If we hear nothing from the club, that would suggest that talks are ongoing between the clubs, the only other option is for the club to announce that we have declined the bid and if that is the case, they won't delay.
If the offer is six million, plus add-ons, I would expect to hear that the club has turned it down, if how ever the bid is seven and a half million, plus add-ons, my guess is that they will accept it. It has been widely reported that we value Ulloa at ten million, and that might be true, but all evaluations have a bottom line figure that will be accepted, and I think that seven and a half is probably close enough for them to say yes. It is very obvious that Ulloa does not have a release clause in his contract, if he did we would have heard about it by now, I am pretty sure his agent would have leaked it to the press by way of encouraging someoe to meet it, the someone being Leicester. Tomorrow will tell us all, or at least it should. If we hear nothing from the club, that would suggest that talks are ongoing between the clubs, the only other option is for the club to announce that we have declined the bid and if that is the case, they won't delay. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 2

11:02pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Never_Wrong says...

Stick to your guns Brighton. If they want him badly enough, which they obviously do, they pay through the nose. We're holding all the aces.
Stick to your guns Brighton. If they want him badly enough, which they obviously do, they pay through the nose. We're holding all the aces. Never_Wrong
  • Score: 0

11:14pm Thu 10 Jul 14

gordongull says...

If the Club is unwilling change the salary structure to sign Stephen Ward, it is unlikely that they will do so for anyone else. If the figure of £12m is accurate, and we have very little else to base a figure on, then four £3m players is out of the question. The money would be used as a combination of purchase price, and wages . Therefore we would be looking to sign players whose purchase price reflected wage expectations within the parameters which have been set.
I don't believe that we need to buy any star players for the team, just reliable individuals for every position. If one or two high profile players become available on loan, that will be a valuable option, provided that our portion of their wages is within limits.
I Think Sami Hyypia has the necessary qualities to close the gap between ourselves and the parachute clubs, but not enough for a top two finish. I think FFP is the right way to go, because It forces clubs to operate within their means. The biggest problem facing Championship teams is not FFP, but Premier League money, ( at least for those not receiving the payments).
Personally, I think that we will be challenging for the play-offs again, but mid-table or above would be acceptable if we are seen to be going in the right direction as the season progresses.
If the Club is unwilling change the salary structure to sign Stephen Ward, it is unlikely that they will do so for anyone else. If the figure of £12m is accurate, and we have very little else to base a figure on, then four £3m players is out of the question. The money would be used as a combination of purchase price, and wages . Therefore we would be looking to sign players whose purchase price reflected wage expectations within the parameters which have been set. I don't believe that we need to buy any star players for the team, just reliable individuals for every position. If one or two high profile players become available on loan, that will be a valuable option, provided that our portion of their wages is within limits. I Think Sami Hyypia has the necessary qualities to close the gap between ourselves and the parachute clubs, but not enough for a top two finish. I think FFP is the right way to go, because It forces clubs to operate within their means. The biggest problem facing Championship teams is not FFP, but Premier League money, ( at least for those not receiving the payments). Personally, I think that we will be challenging for the play-offs again, but mid-table or above would be acceptable if we are seen to be going in the right direction as the season progresses. gordongull
  • Score: 2

11:16pm Thu 10 Jul 14

gordongull says...

Previous post is in reply to New Jersey Seagull.
Previous post is in reply to New Jersey Seagull. gordongull
  • Score: 1

11:18pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Bye bye bres says...

It's true,I've a contact in the club who's just been made redundant
It's true,I've a contact in the club who's just been made redundant Bye bye bres
  • Score: 0

11:18pm Thu 10 Jul 14

gordongull says...

New Jersey Seagull wrote:
Several contributors have suggested that the sale of Ulloa will provide money for the purchase of new players. If this occurs, BHA will have approximately 12 million pounds in the bank from the sale of players just this year and hypothetically, they could purchase four three million pound players. However, there are significant problems with this assumption, the relationship between the size of the fee and players/agent’s salary expectations. Will the club be willing to change their salary structure to accommodate these players?
One way to overcome this problem is to recruit hidden gems, most likely from abroad, where the possibility of doing an Ulloa can justify a lower salary now for riches in the future. Do those involved in recruiting players have the capacity to find hidden gems?
Last season Oscar did a remarkable job of getting BHA to the playoffs considering the number of injuries, the loss of significant players during the mid season window and quality of certain players recruited on loan. Do the manager and first team coach have the qualities necessary to maximize the performance of a similar group of players to achieve automatic promotion or finish in the playoffs?
Certain contributors have complimented BHA on their adherence to FFP and low risk financial strategy. Will those same fans adopt such a long-term view of the club’s development if we are out of playoff contention early in the season?

UTA
If the Club is unwilling change the salary structure to sign Stephen Ward, it is unlikely that they will do so for anyone else. If the figure of £12m is accurate, and we have very little else to base a figure on, then four £3m players is out of the question. The money would be used as a combination of purchase price, and wages . Therefore we would be looking to sign players whose purchase price reflected wage expectations within the parameters which have been set.
I don't believe that we need to buy any star players for the team, just reliable individuals for every position. If one or two high profile players become available on loan, that will be a valuable option, provided that our portion of their wages is within limits.
I Think Sami Hyypia has the necessary qualities to close the gap between ourselves and the parachute clubs, but not enough for a top two finish. I think FFP is the right way to go, because It forces clubs to operate within their means. The biggest problem facing Championship teams is not FFP, but Premier League money, ( at least for those not receiving the payments).
Personally, I think that we will be challenging for the play-offs again, but mid-table or above would be acceptable if we are seen to be going in the right direction as the season progresses.
[quote][p][bold]New Jersey Seagull[/bold] wrote: Several contributors have suggested that the sale of Ulloa will provide money for the purchase of new players. If this occurs, BHA will have approximately 12 million pounds in the bank from the sale of players just this year and hypothetically, they could purchase four three million pound players. However, there are significant problems with this assumption, the relationship between the size of the fee and players/agent’s salary expectations. Will the club be willing to change their salary structure to accommodate these players? One way to overcome this problem is to recruit hidden gems, most likely from abroad, where the possibility of doing an Ulloa can justify a lower salary now for riches in the future. Do those involved in recruiting players have the capacity to find hidden gems? Last season Oscar did a remarkable job of getting BHA to the playoffs considering the number of injuries, the loss of significant players during the mid season window and quality of certain players recruited on loan. Do the manager and first team coach have the qualities necessary to maximize the performance of a similar group of players to achieve automatic promotion or finish in the playoffs? Certain contributors have complimented BHA on their adherence to FFP and low risk financial strategy. Will those same fans adopt such a long-term view of the club’s development if we are out of playoff contention early in the season? UTA[/p][/quote]If the Club is unwilling change the salary structure to sign Stephen Ward, it is unlikely that they will do so for anyone else. If the figure of £12m is accurate, and we have very little else to base a figure on, then four £3m players is out of the question. The money would be used as a combination of purchase price, and wages . Therefore we would be looking to sign players whose purchase price reflected wage expectations within the parameters which have been set. I don't believe that we need to buy any star players for the team, just reliable individuals for every position. If one or two high profile players become available on loan, that will be a valuable option, provided that our portion of their wages is within limits. I Think Sami Hyypia has the necessary qualities to close the gap between ourselves and the parachute clubs, but not enough for a top two finish. I think FFP is the right way to go, because It forces clubs to operate within their means. The biggest problem facing Championship teams is not FFP, but Premier League money, ( at least for those not receiving the payments). Personally, I think that we will be challenging for the play-offs again, but mid-table or above would be acceptable if we are seen to be going in the right direction as the season progresses. gordongull
  • Score: -2

11:19pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Blackheath, Brighton Fan says...

namgo49 wrote:
There is an argument that might say Ulloa is not Hyppia's type of player. From the video of his Bayer Lev. team he had a smaller more mobile striker playing through the channels. There does need to be and hopefully there us a clear strategy of what is needed.

I see Adkins is getting fed up with the fact he gas not been able to sign a single player and thinks he may have missed the boat at Reading, in which case we too are on the quayside with the ship off on the horizon!!
Terribly sorry to say but regarding your views of Sami's old set up at Bayern Lev. He in fact used kießling as his main striker who is 6'3 so taller than ulloa. Also kießling was bundesliga top goal scorer. Who your probably mistaking as the striker is Sidney Sam who was actually employed by Sami as winger who would come inside to assist the striker this is probably the role that Buckley will be used in this season, I if not Buckley then surely CMS. I believe that if ulloa was to go Sami would look for a like for like replacement as this would be most similar to the set up he created at Bayern.
[quote][p][bold]namgo49[/bold] wrote: There is an argument that might say Ulloa is not Hyppia's type of player. From the video of his Bayer Lev. team he had a smaller more mobile striker playing through the channels. There does need to be and hopefully there us a clear strategy of what is needed. I see Adkins is getting fed up with the fact he gas not been able to sign a single player and thinks he may have missed the boat at Reading, in which case we too are on the quayside with the ship off on the horizon!![/p][/quote]Terribly sorry to say but regarding your views of Sami's old set up at Bayern Lev. He in fact used kießling as his main striker who is 6'3 so taller than ulloa. Also kießling was bundesliga top goal scorer. Who your probably mistaking as the striker is Sidney Sam who was actually employed by Sami as winger who would come inside to assist the striker this is probably the role that Buckley will be used in this season, I if not Buckley then surely CMS. I believe that if ulloa was to go Sami would look for a like for like replacement as this would be most similar to the set up he created at Bayern. Blackheath, Brighton Fan
  • Score: 3

11:25pm Thu 10 Jul 14

OldGull says...

Cockwomble wrote:
OldGull wrote:
I think there is a myth developing around Leo Ulloa.
Whilst he was out injured last season,
Albion W5 D3 L2.
3 of those wins we scored 3 goals

I think he is a good old style target man, but when he came back from injury, we started lumping long balls up to him.
When he was out, we didn't have that option and played some of our best football.
If we can get £7m I would take it and look for a more mobile striker
UTA
who were we playing though?its hard to make judgements based on just a few games.personally like many others i dont know the first thing about how to value players.i would never have though david luiz was worth more than tuppence and he is a total cockwomble.
The three 3 goal wins were away Donny, home to Blackburn & Leicester
[quote][p][bold]Cockwomble[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OldGull[/bold] wrote: I think there is a myth developing around Leo Ulloa. Whilst he was out injured last season, Albion W5 D3 L2. 3 of those wins we scored 3 goals I think he is a good old style target man, but when he came back from injury, we started lumping long balls up to him. When he was out, we didn't have that option and played some of our best football. If we can get £7m I would take it and look for a more mobile striker UTA[/p][/quote]who were we playing though?its hard to make judgements based on just a few games.personally like many others i dont know the first thing about how to value players.i would never have though david luiz was worth more than tuppence and he is a total cockwomble.[/p][/quote]The three 3 goal wins were away Donny, home to Blackburn & Leicester OldGull
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11:32pm Thu 10 Jul 14

gordongull says...

Apologies for multiple postings.
Must remember the 'quote' button!
Apologies for multiple postings. Must remember the 'quote' button! gordongull
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11:41pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Cockwomble says...

mark by the sea wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
brightonup wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Prior to today, the highest estimate of the Leicester bid for Leo was around 5M, and the press tells us that the club value him nearer 10M, are Leicester trying to steal him by offering around 6M, or are they being realistic given that he is not a prem div striker, as of yet. If they are being realistic, what does that say about the Fulham deal, 11M, for McCormack?
Fulham paid over the odds for cormack, however if he scores 25 and they go up he is cheap! We will be lucky to be top ten in my opinion.
...then you will be happy, won't you.
I am looking forward to reading your life affirming, positive comment throughout the season.
Not happy, but if you can't see problems ahead your mad! We don't have enough players to fill a team sheet of 18 , and Burke is playing King Canute with players wage demands.
we don't have enough players, doubt many would argue against that, but not so sure how you can justify your last comment, re Burke.
If yor thinking is based on the Ward issue and the reported extra 3K a week he is looking for, perhaps it would help if we also knew the other details of his proposed move to the Amex.

What fee is being for asked for him, we are told that it is not big but we have no idea what it is.
How long a contract is Ward looking for, maybe longer than we want to offer, or maybe shorter.
3K a week is not as lot to haggle over, but over a three year deal, that's an extra 450K.
Even a two year deal see the numbers add up. Guess at 300K fee plus 13K a week wages, that's 1.6M over just two years, 2.4M over three.

If the Ward deal was not what you were thinking of, perhaps you could tell.
We paid 2.5 million to cms Hoskins and augustin last season in wages ! Football is not based on simple economics!
really?they were being paid more than 16 grand per week each were they?cockwomble
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]brightonup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Prior to today, the highest estimate of the Leicester bid for Leo was around 5M, and the press tells us that the club value him nearer 10M, are Leicester trying to steal him by offering around 6M, or are they being realistic given that he is not a prem div striker, as of yet. If they are being realistic, what does that say about the Fulham deal, 11M, for McCormack?[/p][/quote]Fulham paid over the odds for cormack, however if he scores 25 and they go up he is cheap! We will be lucky to be top ten in my opinion.[/p][/quote]...then you will be happy, won't you. I am looking forward to reading your life affirming, positive comment throughout the season.[/p][/quote]Not happy, but if you can't see problems ahead your mad! We don't have enough players to fill a team sheet of 18 , and Burke is playing King Canute with players wage demands.[/p][/quote]we don't have enough players, doubt many would argue against that, but not so sure how you can justify your last comment, re Burke. If yor thinking is based on the Ward issue and the reported extra 3K a week he is looking for, perhaps it would help if we also knew the other details of his proposed move to the Amex. What fee is being for asked for him, we are told that it is not big but we have no idea what it is. How long a contract is Ward looking for, maybe longer than we want to offer, or maybe shorter. 3K a week is not as lot to haggle over, but over a three year deal, that's an extra 450K. Even a two year deal see the numbers add up. Guess at 300K fee plus 13K a week wages, that's 1.6M over just two years, 2.4M over three. If the Ward deal was not what you were thinking of, perhaps you could tell.[/p][/quote]We paid 2.5 million to cms Hoskins and augustin last season in wages ! Football is not based on simple economics![/p][/quote]really?they were being paid more than 16 grand per week each were they?cockwomble Cockwomble
  • Score: 2

12:04am Fri 11 Jul 14

Cockwomble says...

OldGull wrote:
Cockwomble wrote:
OldGull wrote:
I think there is a myth developing around Leo Ulloa.
Whilst he was out injured last season,
Albion W5 D3 L2.
3 of those wins we scored 3 goals

I think he is a good old style target man, but when he came back from injury, we started lumping long balls up to him.
When he was out, we didn't have that option and played some of our best football.
If we can get £7m I would take it and look for a more mobile striker
UTA
who were we playing though?its hard to make judgements based on just a few games.personally like many others i dont know the first thing about how to value players.i would never have though david luiz was worth more than tuppence and he is a total cockwomble.
The three 3 goal wins were away Donny, home to Blackburn & Leicester
cheers.i still think we are better with him though
[quote][p][bold]OldGull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cockwomble[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OldGull[/bold] wrote: I think there is a myth developing around Leo Ulloa. Whilst he was out injured last season, Albion W5 D3 L2. 3 of those wins we scored 3 goals I think he is a good old style target man, but when he came back from injury, we started lumping long balls up to him. When he was out, we didn't have that option and played some of our best football. If we can get £7m I would take it and look for a more mobile striker UTA[/p][/quote]who were we playing though?its hard to make judgements based on just a few games.personally like many others i dont know the first thing about how to value players.i would never have though david luiz was worth more than tuppence and he is a total cockwomble.[/p][/quote]The three 3 goal wins were away Donny, home to Blackburn & Leicester[/p][/quote]cheers.i still think we are better with him though Cockwomble
  • Score: 3

12:05am Fri 11 Jul 14

Cockwomble says...

Bye bye bres wrote:
Get the highest bid and take it........4000 have not renewed their season tickets,we need the dosh !
even the terminally depressed mbts thinks its 2000.cockwombles
[quote][p][bold]Bye bye bres[/bold] wrote: Get the highest bid and take it........4000 have not renewed their season tickets,we need the dosh ![/p][/quote]even the terminally depressed mbts thinks its 2000.cockwombles Cockwomble
  • Score: 6

4:24am Fri 11 Jul 14

VegasSeagull says...

At around 3am UK time today the, Sports Mole, site reported that the 6.25M offer made by Leister for Ulloa failed.
At around 3am UK time today the, Sports Mole, site reported that the 6.25M offer made by Leister for Ulloa failed. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 3

4:25am Fri 11 Jul 14

VegasSeagull says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
At around 3am UK time today the, Sports Mole, site reported that the 6.25M offer made by Leister for Ulloa failed.
sorry about the typo.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: At around 3am UK time today the, Sports Mole, site reported that the 6.25M offer made by Leister for Ulloa failed.[/p][/quote]sorry about the typo. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 1

4:32am Fri 11 Jul 14

VegasSeagull says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
At around 3am UK time today the, Sports Mole, site reported that the 6.25M offer made by Leister for Ulloa failed.
sorry about the typo.
actualy that might have been 7pm your time, which would suggest that the bid was declined rather quickly by the club. I guess I might be getting the time difference a tad mixed up
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: At around 3am UK time today the, Sports Mole, site reported that the 6.25M offer made by Leister for Ulloa failed.[/p][/quote]sorry about the typo.[/p][/quote]actualy that might have been 7pm your time, which would suggest that the bid was declined rather quickly by the club. I guess I might be getting the time difference a tad mixed up VegasSeagull
  • Score: 2

8:17am Sat 12 Jul 14

Captain Haddock says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
A new bid from Leicester isn't a shock, I think we all knew it would come. The Argus suggests that the figure is something north of 6 million, the Times Online 7.5 million, so which is right.
If the Times has it correct then I think we are close to saying goodbye to Leo, just need to add a transfer request from Leo bumping the net figure to Brighton to over 8 million. Something over 6 million won't get it done, IMHO, the McCormack deal ensures that.

If the quoted figures from the Times are correct the gap between what we are asking and what Leicester are offering is closing, closing to a point where a deal can be reached. I would suggest that we look to hear of Brighton going in for a striker of note, possibly a loan deal but maybe a purchase, as a sign that a deal has been struck subject to Brighton getting their target. We could be a couple of weeks away from finding anything out that stands up to scrutiny.
If the club doesn't come out and kill this latest bid, then we know that a sale could be close, and that the Argus was off the mark with it's figures, unless Brighton would take what most would see as a low bid.
Yes the figures are conflicting. Argus probably got it's figure from Sky Soorts News who are suggesting the same and are usually close but i believe The Times are correc on this one.

I heard we already turned down £5m, a second bid (presumably £6m) and then £7m - all last month - with Albion saying no deal unless £10m. IF TB is serious with his price they are still a long way off getting him but if £10m really is to get bids nearer to a lower acceptable target figure then we could indeed be close.

I'd be very surprised if this new bid is really £6m as it's still well short of the attainable figure TB has already given them.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: A new bid from Leicester isn't a shock, I think we all knew it would come. The Argus suggests that the figure is something north of 6 million, the Times Online 7.5 million, so which is right. If the Times has it correct then I think we are close to saying goodbye to Leo, just need to add a transfer request from Leo bumping the net figure to Brighton to over 8 million. Something over 6 million won't get it done, IMHO, the McCormack deal ensures that. If the quoted figures from the Times are correct the gap between what we are asking and what Leicester are offering is closing, closing to a point where a deal can be reached. I would suggest that we look to hear of Brighton going in for a striker of note, possibly a loan deal but maybe a purchase, as a sign that a deal has been struck subject to Brighton getting their target. We could be a couple of weeks away from finding anything out that stands up to scrutiny. If the club doesn't come out and kill this latest bid, then we know that a sale could be close, and that the Argus was off the mark with it's figures, unless Brighton would take what most would see as a low bid.[/p][/quote]Yes the figures are conflicting. Argus probably got it's figure from Sky Soorts News who are suggesting the same and are usually close but i believe The Times are correc on this one. I heard we already turned down £5m, a second bid (presumably £6m) and then £7m - all last month - with Albion saying no deal unless £10m. IF TB is serious with his price they are still a long way off getting him but if £10m really is to get bids nearer to a lower acceptable target figure then we could indeed be close. I'd be very surprised if this new bid is really £6m as it's still well short of the attainable figure TB has already given them. Captain Haddock
  • Score: 1

5:34pm Sat 12 Jul 14

Captain Haddock says...

New Jersey Seagull wrote:
Several contributors have suggested that the sale of Ulloa will provide money for the purchase of new players. If this occurs, BHA will have approximately 12 million pounds in the bank from the sale of players just this year and hypothetically, they could purchase four three million pound players. However, there are significant problems with this assumption, the relationship between the size of the fee and players/agent’s salary expectations. Will the club be willing to change their salary structure to accommodate these players?
One way to overcome this problem is to recruit hidden gems, most likely from abroad, where the possibility of doing an Ulloa can justify a lower salary now for riches in the future. Do those involved in recruiting players have the capacity to find hidden gems?
Last season Oscar did a remarkable job of getting BHA to the playoffs considering the number of injuries, the loss of significant players during the mid season window and quality of certain players recruited on loan. Do the manager and first team coach have the qualities necessary to maximize the performance of a similar group of players to achieve automatic promotion or finish in the playoffs?
Certain contributors have complimented BHA on their adherence to FFP and low risk financial strategy. Will those same fans adopt such a long-term view of the club’s development if we are out of playoff contention early in the season?

UTA
Well constructed post. Deserved more thumbs up tbh.

I agree with you on pretty much all points. In answer to your last question, it would test my resolve but not break it. However, I'm convinced that it won come to that. We are knockng on the door year-on-year despite certain upheaval each summer (and spring!).
[quote][p][bold]New Jersey Seagull[/bold] wrote: Several contributors have suggested that the sale of Ulloa will provide money for the purchase of new players. If this occurs, BHA will have approximately 12 million pounds in the bank from the sale of players just this year and hypothetically, they could purchase four three million pound players. However, there are significant problems with this assumption, the relationship between the size of the fee and players/agent’s salary expectations. Will the club be willing to change their salary structure to accommodate these players? One way to overcome this problem is to recruit hidden gems, most likely from abroad, where the possibility of doing an Ulloa can justify a lower salary now for riches in the future. Do those involved in recruiting players have the capacity to find hidden gems? Last season Oscar did a remarkable job of getting BHA to the playoffs considering the number of injuries, the loss of significant players during the mid season window and quality of certain players recruited on loan. Do the manager and first team coach have the qualities necessary to maximize the performance of a similar group of players to achieve automatic promotion or finish in the playoffs? Certain contributors have complimented BHA on their adherence to FFP and low risk financial strategy. Will those same fans adopt such a long-term view of the club’s development if we are out of playoff contention early in the season? UTA[/p][/quote]Well constructed post. Deserved more thumbs up tbh. I agree with you on pretty much all points. In answer to your last question, it would test my resolve but not break it. However, I'm convinced that it won come to that. We are knockng on the door year-on-year despite certain upheaval each summer (and spring!). Captain Haddock
  • Score: 1
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