Bloom admits he did not want to lose Leo

Leo Ulloa  shows off his Leicester shirt

Leo Ulloa shows off his Leicester shirt

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Albion chairman Tony Bloom has told fans he did not want to let Leo Ulloa go.

But he has admitted the striker wanted to move to the Premier League and has thanked him for some memorable moments.

The Seagulls and Leicester City this morning reported Ulloa's move from the Amex to the King Power Stadium via their official websites.

Albion admitted they “reluctantly” sold Ulloa to the Premier League new boys, for whom he will wear the No,23 shirt.

Bloom said: "Initially we did not want Leo to go but, once he made it clear to us he wanted to join Leicester and play in the Premier League, it was then a case of ensuring we received our valuation.

"Leo has been tremendous for us, he has given us some truly memorable moments in the last season and a half - with his header against Nottingham Forest the pick of the bunch.

"I would like to thank him for his efforts and wish him well in the Premier League."

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12:09pm Tue 22 Jul 14

Neville says...

Good PR,for the right money no one is in dispensable and this was the case. If he had wanted to keep him regardless then he could have but money talks and of course any player will say he wants to leave to play at higher level and rarely will a club stand in his way provided fee is right.
Great bit of business in my opinion and to get that price for a striker without a good first touch and little pace is good business.
It now remains to see what is now spent on strengthening.
Good PR,for the right money no one is in dispensable and this was the case. If he had wanted to keep him regardless then he could have but money talks and of course any player will say he wants to leave to play at higher level and rarely will a club stand in his way provided fee is right. Great bit of business in my opinion and to get that price for a striker without a good first touch and little pace is good business. It now remains to see what is now spent on strengthening. Neville
  • Score: 10

12:12pm Tue 22 Jul 14

lighteninglee says...

As Mr bloom said he didn't want to lose leo hopefully he Will pump his transfer fee back into the squad let Sami sign a quality replacement and maybe a couple of other players. Up the albion.
As Mr bloom said he didn't want to lose leo hopefully he Will pump his transfer fee back into the squad let Sami sign a quality replacement and maybe a couple of other players. Up the albion. lighteninglee
  • Score: 43

12:12pm Tue 22 Jul 14

Albion fan in London says...

Good luck Leo, some great memories spring to mind from last season. especially.Cant help think how well we have done here, most would have been happy with £7mill so £8mill rising to £10 mill is incredible. I have no doubt TB and DB will do us proud with the money secured from Leo and Liam to ensure we are even more competitive next season. This will be CMS's season I can feel it!

UTA
Good luck Leo, some great memories spring to mind from last season. especially.Cant help think how well we have done here, most would have been happy with £7mill so £8mill rising to £10 mill is incredible. I have no doubt TB and DB will do us proud with the money secured from Leo and Liam to ensure we are even more competitive next season. This will be CMS's season I can feel it! UTA Albion fan in London
  • Score: 49

12:19pm Tue 22 Jul 14

DuncanThickett says...

Although I'm guttted Leo has gone, it's an amazing bit of business. The fact Loic Remy has gone for about the same price, really makes it look like we got a good deal - for once! I'm surprised, if Gus is prepared to spend £14m on Borini (subject to the play actually wanting to go), that he didn't pursue Leo, the man he worked hard to get for us - and he would have got him cheaper than Borini easily.

Good Luck Leo, onwards and upwards for the Albion.
Although I'm guttted Leo has gone, it's an amazing bit of business. The fact Loic Remy has gone for about the same price, really makes it look like we got a good deal - for once! I'm surprised, if Gus is prepared to spend £14m on Borini (subject to the play actually wanting to go), that he didn't pursue Leo, the man he worked hard to get for us - and he would have got him cheaper than Borini easily. Good Luck Leo, onwards and upwards for the Albion. DuncanThickett
  • Score: 25

12:20pm Tue 22 Jul 14

Towner83 says...

I'm proud to know we've got a chairman that sticks to his guns and does the best by the club. Superb deal struck by Tony Bloom. Players come and go but hopefully TB is at the helm for many years to come
I'm proud to know we've got a chairman that sticks to his guns and does the best by the club. Superb deal struck by Tony Bloom. Players come and go but hopefully TB is at the helm for many years to come Towner83
  • Score: 58

12:21pm Tue 22 Jul 14

Eltel1983 says...

Neville - Bit hash on "bad first touch"? In a number of years of "rose coloured viewing" Leo in his short time, in my opinion sits behind Ward and Zamora as the top Albion forward/goal scorer.
Neville - Bit hash on "bad first touch"? In a number of years of "rose coloured viewing" Leo in his short time, in my opinion sits behind Ward and Zamora as the top Albion forward/goal scorer. Eltel1983
  • Score: 19

12:27pm Tue 22 Jul 14

Neville says...

Not harsh just a fact,his first touch is generally poor however he is very good in the air and defending set pieces.He lacks pace and hope he does well but do have my doubts on how he will fare,may also get a bit more protection from the referees in the PL.
Also got a good agent 4 year deal.
Not harsh just a fact,his first touch is generally poor however he is very good in the air and defending set pieces.He lacks pace and hope he does well but do have my doubts on how he will fare,may also get a bit more protection from the referees in the PL. Also got a good agent 4 year deal. Neville
  • Score: 1

12:29pm Tue 22 Jul 14

brightonfan34 says...

i hope that we use the money and get in a quality replacement instead of the names that are being mentioned (eg wood , baldock murray and others )
i hope that we use the money and get in a quality replacement instead of the names that are being mentioned (eg wood , baldock murray and others ) brightonfan34
  • Score: 15

12:29pm Tue 22 Jul 14

Nobody important says...

Considering that Rickie Lambert (an English premier league proven striker) went to liverpool for 4 million not long ago and we have just sold Ulloa for around 8 million I feel that this was a good deal, however there will be no more excuses for not signing players in the near future.
Considering that Rickie Lambert (an English premier league proven striker) went to liverpool for 4 million not long ago and we have just sold Ulloa for around 8 million I feel that this was a good deal, however there will be no more excuses for not signing players in the near future. Nobody important
  • Score: 27

12:31pm Tue 22 Jul 14

Uckfield Seagull says...

However you look at it, 8 million and rising for a championship level performer is a great bit of business, I actually hope Leo proves himself in the premier but from our point of view its a good deal.

If we didnt need to sell Leo, which is what I presume from the chairmans comment then there is no reason why the 8 million cannot be pumped into the team, I am not going to throw names about but I hope it is given to Hyypia to spend, Hyypia is our manager and because of this I trust him to buy players who will add to our team, I am not even worried by the lack of transfer activity, I would rather get the players Hyypia wants rather than buy anybody available.

All in all I am very excited about the season, things off the pitch are in place, being secure is a massive bonus, now its time to put trust in Hyypia and propel the club forward into the Premiership, but as I have said before on our terms and by not over over spending, everything about the club is amazing and I am very proud to be a fan, we had some rotten years but what I like is that the are ensuring it wont happen again and fair play to them, also to have a manager of Hyypia stature in the game has to be a positive, cant help but feel good times are around the corner
However you look at it, 8 million and rising for a championship level performer is a great bit of business, I actually hope Leo proves himself in the premier but from our point of view its a good deal. If we didnt need to sell Leo, which is what I presume from the chairmans comment then there is no reason why the 8 million cannot be pumped into the team, I am not going to throw names about but I hope it is given to Hyypia to spend, Hyypia is our manager and because of this I trust him to buy players who will add to our team, I am not even worried by the lack of transfer activity, I would rather get the players Hyypia wants rather than buy anybody available. All in all I am very excited about the season, things off the pitch are in place, being secure is a massive bonus, now its time to put trust in Hyypia and propel the club forward into the Premiership, but as I have said before on our terms and by not over over spending, everything about the club is amazing and I am very proud to be a fan, we had some rotten years but what I like is that the are ensuring it wont happen again and fair play to them, also to have a manager of Hyypia stature in the game has to be a positive, cant help but feel good times are around the corner Uckfield Seagull
  • Score: 37

12:39pm Tue 22 Jul 14

Mayfield sweeper says...

I expect Bloom felt better when he looked at all the money, lit a cigar with a bunch of burning £20 notes and headed down the casino.
I expect Bloom felt better when he looked at all the money, lit a cigar with a bunch of burning £20 notes and headed down the casino. Mayfield sweeper
  • Score: -32

12:52pm Tue 22 Jul 14

Claude Back says...

Neville wrote:
Not harsh just a fact,his first touch is generally poor however he is very good in the air and defending set pieces.He lacks pace and hope he does well but do have my doubts on how he will fare,may also get a bit more protection from the referees in the PL.
Also got a good agent 4 year deal.
Neville, he has got 'pace'....just a slow one. ;-)
[quote][p][bold]Neville[/bold] wrote: Not harsh just a fact,his first touch is generally poor however he is very good in the air and defending set pieces.He lacks pace and hope he does well but do have my doubts on how he will fare,may also get a bit more protection from the referees in the PL. Also got a good agent 4 year deal.[/p][/quote]Neville, he has got 'pace'....just a slow one. ;-) Claude Back
  • Score: 1

12:53pm Tue 22 Jul 14

Clean Sheet says...

Nice words from the Chairman, and frankly, very encouraging. He neither wanted nor needed to sell Ulloa, so we got a great price, that can now be invested in our club. If anyone 18 months ago when Ulloa arrived had valued him at £8 mil, then a straightjacket would have been the answer! Good luck to him in the future.
I am really excited about this season. We have the foundations for years of success at Brighton, our stadium and infrastructure the envy of the majority of the Champ and several in the PL!
Nice words from the Chairman, and frankly, very encouraging. He neither wanted nor needed to sell Ulloa, so we got a great price, that can now be invested in our club. If anyone 18 months ago when Ulloa arrived had valued him at £8 mil, then a straightjacket would have been the answer! Good luck to him in the future. I am really excited about this season. We have the foundations for years of success at Brighton, our stadium and infrastructure the envy of the majority of the Champ and several in the PL! Clean Sheet
  • Score: 33

12:56pm Tue 22 Jul 14

SecondReserve says...

If Tony Bloom says he didn't want to sell Ulloa then obviously he didn't need to sell him and so it follows that we weren't in any real need of the £8 million. Therefore, presumably, all of it will be made available for new players. Logical surely?
If Tony Bloom says he didn't want to sell Ulloa then obviously he didn't need to sell him and so it follows that we weren't in any real need of the £8 million. Therefore, presumably, all of it will be made available for new players. Logical surely? SecondReserve
  • Score: 12

12:57pm Tue 22 Jul 14

Aye Aye says...

Nobody important wrote:
Considering that Rickie Lambert (an English premier league proven striker) went to liverpool for 4 million not long ago and we have just sold Ulloa for around 8 million I feel that this was a good deal, however there will be no more excuses for not signing players in the near future.
That is the most pertinent point to be made on the matter NI and serves to underline what a great deal this is for the club and something for which TB should be applauded. There will be other Ulloas out there (come on, admit it, who had ever heard of him before GP brought him in?) and, with this new injection of capital, we could certainly bolster our squad. The next "breaking news" story will, perhaps, be the most significant if it announces a marquee signing of somebody who will ignite our attack next season.

I still think we're in good shape and I'm feeling positive (although not yet buoyant!)

Bring it on!!
[quote][p][bold]Nobody important[/bold] wrote: Considering that Rickie Lambert (an English premier league proven striker) went to liverpool for 4 million not long ago and we have just sold Ulloa for around 8 million I feel that this was a good deal, however there will be no more excuses for not signing players in the near future.[/p][/quote]That is the most pertinent point to be made on the matter NI and serves to underline what a great deal this is for the club and something for which TB should be applauded. There will be other Ulloas out there (come on, admit it, who had ever heard of him before GP brought him in?) and, with this new injection of capital, we could certainly bolster our squad. The next "breaking news" story will, perhaps, be the most significant if it announces a marquee signing of somebody who will ignite our attack next season. I still think we're in good shape and I'm feeling positive (although not yet buoyant!) Bring it on!! Aye Aye
  • Score: 13

1:06pm Tue 22 Jul 14

SMF20 says...

Nice touch from the boss. Good to see.

I like others hope that the Leo money is invested now.

This is going to be the toughest championship season yet imho. Looking at some of the sides we will be competing against this season, it will be a hard task to get in the top 10 let alone the playoffs.

That 8 million could put us up there again if spent wisely and I genuinely think that Sami will be the right man, making the right decisions.

Uta
Nice touch from the boss. Good to see. I like others hope that the Leo money is invested now. This is going to be the toughest championship season yet imho. Looking at some of the sides we will be competing against this season, it will be a hard task to get in the top 10 let alone the playoffs. That 8 million could put us up there again if spent wisely and I genuinely think that Sami will be the right man, making the right decisions. Uta SMF20
  • Score: 17

1:25pm Tue 22 Jul 14

SeagullOverSelsey says...

Interesting to note on LCFC's website that the fee for Leo is undisclosed.
Perhaps they don't want to admit that the fee paid was over the odds and their fans would be aghast!
Interesting to note on LCFC's website that the fee for Leo is undisclosed. Perhaps they don't want to admit that the fee paid was over the odds and their fans would be aghast! SeagullOverSelsey
  • Score: 9

1:26pm Tue 22 Jul 14

Albion In Staffs says...

He's gone because he wanted Premier League football.
He didn't rant and rave, stay away from training or shoot his mouth off in the media, just seems to have spoken privately and honestly with a realistic Chairman and the deal was done for the benefit of all.
If he ever comes back to The Amex, there can surely be no animosity between a player and a club who both deserve a bit of credit.
Nice.
He's gone because he wanted Premier League football. He didn't rant and rave, stay away from training or shoot his mouth off in the media, just seems to have spoken privately and honestly with a realistic Chairman and the deal was done for the benefit of all. If he ever comes back to The Amex, there can surely be no animosity between a player and a club who both deserve a bit of credit. Nice. Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 58

1:32pm Tue 22 Jul 14

VegasSeagull says...

If prem quality players go to, or stay in, the prem, are the quality players that people are calling upon the club to sign to be regarded as quality Champ Div players?
I only ask this because it seems to me that we have three choices when signing players. We could sign older guys that are stepping down from the prem, those entering the twilight years of their careers. We could gamble by giving a chance for lower division players, ones that have stood out, to step up or, we can sign existing Champ Div players that we know are good.

I would be really interested to know just what those on this forum calling for, 'quality,' signings mean by, 'quality.' Should Hughes and O'Grady be considered as quality, or does qulaity, for purposes of signing players, come in degrees. Best quality prem, good quality Champ Div, average quality cover for Champ Div but seen as good quality for Div 1.

This whole quality thing can be so confusing.
If prem quality players go to, or stay in, the prem, are the quality players that people are calling upon the club to sign to be regarded as quality Champ Div players? I only ask this because it seems to me that we have three choices when signing players. We could sign older guys that are stepping down from the prem, those entering the twilight years of their careers. We could gamble by giving a chance for lower division players, ones that have stood out, to step up or, we can sign existing Champ Div players that we know are good. I would be really interested to know just what those on this forum calling for, 'quality,' signings mean by, 'quality.' Should Hughes and O'Grady be considered as quality, or does qulaity, for purposes of signing players, come in degrees. Best quality prem, good quality Champ Div, average quality cover for Champ Div but seen as good quality for Div 1. This whole quality thing can be so confusing. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 10

1:33pm Tue 22 Jul 14

Sid East Brighton says...

Albion In Staffs wrote:
He's gone because he wanted Premier League football.
He didn't rant and rave, stay away from training or shoot his mouth off in the media, just seems to have spoken privately and honestly with a realistic Chairman and the deal was done for the benefit of all.
If he ever comes back to The Amex, there can surely be no animosity between a player and a club who both deserve a bit of credit.
Nice.
Good post
[quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: He's gone because he wanted Premier League football. He didn't rant and rave, stay away from training or shoot his mouth off in the media, just seems to have spoken privately and honestly with a realistic Chairman and the deal was done for the benefit of all. If he ever comes back to The Amex, there can surely be no animosity between a player and a club who both deserve a bit of credit. Nice.[/p][/quote]Good post Sid East Brighton
  • Score: 16

1:36pm Tue 22 Jul 14

SeagullOverSelsey says...

Uckfield Seagull wrote:
However you look at it, 8 million and rising for a championship level performer is a great bit of business, I actually hope Leo proves himself in the premier but from our point of view its a good deal.

If we didnt need to sell Leo, which is what I presume from the chairmans comment then there is no reason why the 8 million cannot be pumped into the team, I am not going to throw names about but I hope it is given to Hyypia to spend, Hyypia is our manager and because of this I trust him to buy players who will add to our team, I am not even worried by the lack of transfer activity, I would rather get the players Hyypia wants rather than buy anybody available.

All in all I am very excited about the season, things off the pitch are in place, being secure is a massive bonus, now its time to put trust in Hyypia and propel the club forward into the Premiership, but as I have said before on our terms and by not over over spending, everything about the club is amazing and I am very proud to be a fan, we had some rotten years but what I like is that the are ensuring it wont happen again and fair play to them, also to have a manager of Hyypia stature in the game has to be a positive, cant help but feel good times are around the corner
Well said Uckfield. Nice to see these comments which I totally agree with.Negative posters on here can take a running jump!
[quote][p][bold]Uckfield Seagull[/bold] wrote: However you look at it, 8 million and rising for a championship level performer is a great bit of business, I actually hope Leo proves himself in the premier but from our point of view its a good deal. If we didnt need to sell Leo, which is what I presume from the chairmans comment then there is no reason why the 8 million cannot be pumped into the team, I am not going to throw names about but I hope it is given to Hyypia to spend, Hyypia is our manager and because of this I trust him to buy players who will add to our team, I am not even worried by the lack of transfer activity, I would rather get the players Hyypia wants rather than buy anybody available. All in all I am very excited about the season, things off the pitch are in place, being secure is a massive bonus, now its time to put trust in Hyypia and propel the club forward into the Premiership, but as I have said before on our terms and by not over over spending, everything about the club is amazing and I am very proud to be a fan, we had some rotten years but what I like is that the are ensuring it wont happen again and fair play to them, also to have a manager of Hyypia stature in the game has to be a positive, cant help but feel good times are around the corner[/p][/quote]Well said Uckfield. Nice to see these comments which I totally agree with.Negative posters on here can take a running jump! SeagullOverSelsey
  • Score: 12

1:36pm Tue 22 Jul 14

ballantrrae says...

Neville wrote:
Not harsh just a fact,his first touch is generally poor however he is very good in the air and defending set pieces.He lacks pace and hope he does well but do have my doubts on how he will fare,may also get a bit more protection from the referees in the PL.
Also got a good agent 4 year deal.
Good assessment IMHO Neville.
The good thing from our perspective is that how well or badly Ulloa does is no longer our concern. TB has banked the money.
Assuming that we need 6 new players (GK LB, CB, Creative Midfielder, Winger, and at least 1 Striker) we could pay an average fee of £1.25 mill per player out of the £8 mill from Ulloa's sale and still have funds available for more investment.
For example BHA could then invest a further say £750,000 for a second striker that some posters are calling for and still have most of the £4 mill plus we raised from the sales of Barnes, Bridcutt, El-Abd, Barker and Dickenson left for other costs or player investment
This further (say) £3 mill could be used either to strengthen the squad in January or reduce our trading loses to help comply with FFP or indeed a combination of both.
Good luck to Leo. Great piece of Business TB.
UTA.
[quote][p][bold]Neville[/bold] wrote: Not harsh just a fact,his first touch is generally poor however he is very good in the air and defending set pieces.He lacks pace and hope he does well but do have my doubts on how he will fare,may also get a bit more protection from the referees in the PL. Also got a good agent 4 year deal.[/p][/quote]Good assessment IMHO Neville. The good thing from our perspective is that how well or badly Ulloa does is no longer our concern. TB has banked the money. Assuming that we need 6 new players (GK LB, CB, Creative Midfielder, Winger, and at least 1 Striker) we could pay an average fee of £1.25 mill per player out of the £8 mill from Ulloa's sale and still have funds available for more investment. For example BHA could then invest a further say £750,000 for a second striker that some posters are calling for and still have most of the £4 mill plus we raised from the sales of Barnes, Bridcutt, El-Abd, Barker and Dickenson left for other costs or player investment This further (say) £3 mill could be used either to strengthen the squad in January or reduce our trading loses to help comply with FFP or indeed a combination of both. Good luck to Leo. Great piece of Business TB. UTA. ballantrrae
  • Score: 12

1:39pm Tue 22 Jul 14

AlanDuffy says...

SeagullOverSelsey wrote:
Interesting to note on LCFC's website that the fee for Leo is undisclosed.
Perhaps they don't want to admit that the fee paid was over the odds and their fans would be aghast!
The Leicester Mercury states £8m rising to £10m with add-ons, so I guess they're going to find out!!!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]SeagullOverSelsey[/bold] wrote: Interesting to note on LCFC's website that the fee for Leo is undisclosed. Perhaps they don't want to admit that the fee paid was over the odds and their fans would be aghast![/p][/quote]The Leicester Mercury states £8m rising to £10m with add-ons, so I guess they're going to find out!!!!!!! AlanDuffy
  • Score: 17

1:47pm Tue 22 Jul 14

AlanDuffy says...

Lots of people seem to think that we'll be spending this £8m ( plus the £4m odd received for Bridcutt ) on new players, forgetting that we have debts to service and repay. Personally, I'd like to see us seeking out more players like Leo and Bridders, letting them have a couple of seasons with us and then selling them on at a profit. If we make it to the Premiership, then the whole scenario changes, in the meantime the club is run sustainably and if we develop a reputation for bringing players on, then we can look forward to some better long-term loans too.
Lots of people seem to think that we'll be spending this £8m ( plus the £4m odd received for Bridcutt ) on new players, forgetting that we have debts to service and repay. Personally, I'd like to see us seeking out more players like Leo and Bridders, letting them have a couple of seasons with us and then selling them on at a profit. If we make it to the Premiership, then the whole scenario changes, in the meantime the club is run sustainably and if we develop a reputation for bringing players on, then we can look forward to some better long-term loans too. AlanDuffy
  • Score: 22

1:48pm Tue 22 Jul 14

Albion In Staffs says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
If prem quality players go to, or stay in, the prem, are the quality players that people are calling upon the club to sign to be regarded as quality Champ Div players?
I only ask this because it seems to me that we have three choices when signing players. We could sign older guys that are stepping down from the prem, those entering the twilight years of their careers. We could gamble by giving a chance for lower division players, ones that have stood out, to step up or, we can sign existing Champ Div players that we know are good.

I would be really interested to know just what those on this forum calling for, 'quality,' signings mean by, 'quality.' Should Hughes and O'Grady be considered as quality, or does qulaity, for purposes of signing players, come in degrees. Best quality prem, good quality Champ Div, average quality cover for Champ Div but seen as good quality for Div 1.

This whole quality thing can be so confusing.
Most of the time, I read "quality player" as being a translation for; "someone I've heard of who plays for a team I think is good."
So most of the time, I simply sit back and wait for the professionals to do their stuff.
It's right that we all have and share opinions, but the professionals will have vastly different criteria for what "quality" actually is.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: If prem quality players go to, or stay in, the prem, are the quality players that people are calling upon the club to sign to be regarded as quality Champ Div players? I only ask this because it seems to me that we have three choices when signing players. We could sign older guys that are stepping down from the prem, those entering the twilight years of their careers. We could gamble by giving a chance for lower division players, ones that have stood out, to step up or, we can sign existing Champ Div players that we know are good. I would be really interested to know just what those on this forum calling for, 'quality,' signings mean by, 'quality.' Should Hughes and O'Grady be considered as quality, or does qulaity, for purposes of signing players, come in degrees. Best quality prem, good quality Champ Div, average quality cover for Champ Div but seen as good quality for Div 1. This whole quality thing can be so confusing.[/p][/quote]Most of the time, I read "quality player" as being a translation for; "someone I've heard of who plays for a team I think is good." So most of the time, I simply sit back and wait for the professionals to do their stuff. It's right that we all have and share opinions, but the professionals will have vastly different criteria for what "quality" actually is. Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 8

1:54pm Tue 22 Jul 14

Far gull says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
If prem quality players go to, or stay in, the prem, are the quality players that people are calling upon the club to sign to be regarded as quality Champ Div players?
I only ask this because it seems to me that we have three choices when signing players. We could sign older guys that are stepping down from the prem, those entering the twilight years of their careers. We could gamble by giving a chance for lower division players, ones that have stood out, to step up or, we can sign existing Champ Div players that we know are good.

I would be really interested to know just what those on this forum calling for, 'quality,' signings mean by, 'quality.' Should Hughes and O'Grady be considered as quality, or does qulaity, for purposes of signing players, come in degrees. Best quality prem, good quality Champ Div, average quality cover for Champ Div but seen as good quality for Div 1.

This whole quality thing can be so confusing.
Very good point on Quality. As others have said we can only let Sami choose those he thinks are quality. All i know is bums on seats player is required or a good early season run of form as we now need fans to be inspired as much as the players we have already at the club.
Lower league club players do need to be given a chance , look at Charlie Austen.
However QPR had other players who were crowd pullers.
We once bought in Jimmy Case/Martin Chivers to add a bit of sparkle . Unfortunately most top pros are not in need of money to drop down a league in the latter parts of their caree and like Frank lampard they head abroad for more money.
I have no answer as to which players frankly.
Would love to see Nani, Anderson type but their wages would be horrific. To watch Bridge / Vicente play for us was a real pleasure and an inspiration for our youngsters so they are out there.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: If prem quality players go to, or stay in, the prem, are the quality players that people are calling upon the club to sign to be regarded as quality Champ Div players? I only ask this because it seems to me that we have three choices when signing players. We could sign older guys that are stepping down from the prem, those entering the twilight years of their careers. We could gamble by giving a chance for lower division players, ones that have stood out, to step up or, we can sign existing Champ Div players that we know are good. I would be really interested to know just what those on this forum calling for, 'quality,' signings mean by, 'quality.' Should Hughes and O'Grady be considered as quality, or does qulaity, for purposes of signing players, come in degrees. Best quality prem, good quality Champ Div, average quality cover for Champ Div but seen as good quality for Div 1. This whole quality thing can be so confusing.[/p][/quote]Very good point on Quality. As others have said we can only let Sami choose those he thinks are quality. All i know is bums on seats player is required or a good early season run of form as we now need fans to be inspired as much as the players we have already at the club. Lower league club players do need to be given a chance , look at Charlie Austen. However QPR had other players who were crowd pullers. We once bought in Jimmy Case/Martin Chivers to add a bit of sparkle . Unfortunately most top pros are not in need of money to drop down a league in the latter parts of their caree and like Frank lampard they head abroad for more money. I have no answer as to which players frankly. Would love to see Nani, Anderson type but their wages would be horrific. To watch Bridge / Vicente play for us was a real pleasure and an inspiration for our youngsters so they are out there. Far gull
  • Score: 9

2:03pm Tue 22 Jul 14

daveyboy35 says...

AlanDuffy wrote:
Lots of people seem to think that we'll be spending this £8m ( plus the £4m odd received for Bridcutt ) on new players, forgetting that we have debts to service and repay. Personally, I'd like to see us seeking out more players like Leo and Bridders, letting them have a couple of seasons with us and then selling them on at a profit. If we make it to the Premiership, then the whole scenario changes, in the meantime the club is run sustainably and if we develop a reputation for bringing players on, then we can look forward to some better long-term loans too.
The debts are being serviced! The 8m for Leo which is a cracking bit of business should be ploughed back into the team! We certainly was not budgeting for Leo to go so the 8m should be used as an added bonus! If we are serious about getting promotion then now is the time to spend on quality!!!! The championship gets harder year after year and the ffp will turn out to be a non starter!!!!
[quote][p][bold]AlanDuffy[/bold] wrote: Lots of people seem to think that we'll be spending this £8m ( plus the £4m odd received for Bridcutt ) on new players, forgetting that we have debts to service and repay. Personally, I'd like to see us seeking out more players like Leo and Bridders, letting them have a couple of seasons with us and then selling them on at a profit. If we make it to the Premiership, then the whole scenario changes, in the meantime the club is run sustainably and if we develop a reputation for bringing players on, then we can look forward to some better long-term loans too.[/p][/quote]The debts are being serviced! The 8m for Leo which is a cracking bit of business should be ploughed back into the team! We certainly was not budgeting for Leo to go so the 8m should be used as an added bonus! If we are serious about getting promotion then now is the time to spend on quality!!!! The championship gets harder year after year and the ffp will turn out to be a non starter!!!! daveyboy35
  • Score: 4

2:25pm Tue 22 Jul 14

Newhavenles says...

Pity they wouldn't let Gus buy that Dutch giant who has a price tag of 10 million plus, selling both of them would have bought us some really great players but you still have to have someone who can make them play as a team and I think we have that person
Pity they wouldn't let Gus buy that Dutch giant who has a price tag of 10 million plus, selling both of them would have bought us some really great players but you still have to have someone who can make them play as a team and I think we have that person Newhavenles
  • Score: 7

2:48pm Tue 22 Jul 14

heshootshescores says...

Albion In Staffs wrote:
He's gone because he wanted Premier League football.
He didn't rant and rave, stay away from training or shoot his mouth off in the media, just seems to have spoken privately and honestly with a realistic Chairman and the deal was done for the benefit of all.
If he ever comes back to The Amex, there can surely be no animosity between a player and a club who both deserve a bit of credit.
Nice.
Good post. The fact of the matter is that for the modern-day footballer, a chance to play in the Premier League – even for a club likely to be at the wrong end of the table – is more appealing than playing for a Championship club, even an ambitious one.

I too wish Leo all the best but my main concern now is if and how we use the profit raised from his transfer fee on making our Premier League dream come true.

There is little time between now and the start of the season. A lot of the players we might have been interested in had we known for sure Leo was going have already been snapped up.

O'Grady is a start...but no more than that. We're still four or five players short of having a squad capable of challenging for a playoff spot, which should be the least of our ambition.

I don't think we should be going into a new campaign with Casper as our first-choice keep and a promising but still raw Chicksen as our left-back. There's been no news on Ward for a while so I'm guessing he's either holding out for 13k a week or we're not willing to pay Wolves a transfer fee?

I'm sure one or two of the holes will be filled by loans once the PL clubs have finalised their squads. But I'm hoping we make one or two quality "permanent" signings before the big kick off. Big couple of weeks coming up for David Burke and his scouting team.
[quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: He's gone because he wanted Premier League football. He didn't rant and rave, stay away from training or shoot his mouth off in the media, just seems to have spoken privately and honestly with a realistic Chairman and the deal was done for the benefit of all. If he ever comes back to The Amex, there can surely be no animosity between a player and a club who both deserve a bit of credit. Nice.[/p][/quote]Good post. The fact of the matter is that for the modern-day footballer, a chance to play in the Premier League – even for a club likely to be at the wrong end of the table – is more appealing than playing for a Championship club, even an ambitious one. I too wish Leo all the best but my main concern now is if and how we use the profit raised from his transfer fee on making our Premier League dream come true. There is little time between now and the start of the season. A lot of the players we might have been interested in had we known for sure Leo was going have already been snapped up. O'Grady is a start...but no more than that. We're still four or five players short of having a squad capable of challenging for a playoff spot, which should be the least of our ambition. I don't think we should be going into a new campaign with Casper as our first-choice keep and a promising but still raw Chicksen as our left-back. There's been no news on Ward for a while so I'm guessing he's either holding out for 13k a week or we're not willing to pay Wolves a transfer fee? I'm sure one or two of the holes will be filled by loans once the PL clubs have finalised their squads. But I'm hoping we make one or two quality "permanent" signings before the big kick off. Big couple of weeks coming up for David Burke and his scouting team. heshootshescores
  • Score: 10

2:48pm Tue 22 Jul 14

Jonathan Mouette says...

Very nice sentiments from TB and equally good comments from LU at Leicester with respect to the Brighton fans. I can't help but recall that fabulous goal at Forest when he ran over to celebrate with us... and remember thinking at the time it was more like a goodbye. It does make me think if he was already tapped up by LCFC should we fail in the playoffs. Never mind, the world continues to spin, however hazardously and we must all move on. Disappointments...? Only one, that LU went to the Foxes. He is going to struggle there with a mediochre PL side and quite a lot of competition for the front spot. I hope for him it all works out well. UTA...!!!
Very nice sentiments from TB and equally good comments from LU at Leicester with respect to the Brighton fans. I can't help but recall that fabulous goal at Forest when he ran over to celebrate with us... and remember thinking at the time it was more like a goodbye. It does make me think if he was already tapped up by LCFC should we fail in the playoffs. Never mind, the world continues to spin, however hazardously and we must all move on. Disappointments...? Only one, that LU went to the Foxes. He is going to struggle there with a mediochre PL side and quite a lot of competition for the front spot. I hope for him it all works out well. UTA...!!! Jonathan Mouette
  • Score: 12

3:16pm Tue 22 Jul 14

Chi Gull says...

For me I don't think the budget for transfer fees is a problem. The issue is more about our wage structure and length of contracts. It's wages that eat up the cash on an annual basis, and where we seem to be losing out against some others in this league. So £20k a week for a top striker is £1m per annum in wages - just as an example. My reading of the situation, given our inability to attract exciting new players in (so far), is that there is going to have to be some movement in the current wage structure. I would rather have a slightly smaller high quality squad than a large mediocre squad. At the moment we are some way from having either. Like many others, I am hopeful we will get some good additions to the squad in the next few weeks.
For me I don't think the budget for transfer fees is a problem. The issue is more about our wage structure and length of contracts. It's wages that eat up the cash on an annual basis, and where we seem to be losing out against some others in this league. So £20k a week for a top striker is £1m per annum in wages - just as an example. My reading of the situation, given our inability to attract exciting new players in (so far), is that there is going to have to be some movement in the current wage structure. I would rather have a slightly smaller high quality squad than a large mediocre squad. At the moment we are some way from having either. Like many others, I am hopeful we will get some good additions to the squad in the next few weeks. Chi Gull
  • Score: 11

3:23pm Tue 22 Jul 14

mark by the sea says...

Great that TB has come out and shared his sentiments about the Leo, while the club is a business, the human touch is so important,
I wonder how Gus spending budget looks now with the sale of some of his players? Shame the club never pushed boat out for VanDyke , but that's history .
Great that TB has come out and shared his sentiments about the Leo, while the club is a business, the human touch is so important, I wonder how Gus spending budget looks now with the sale of some of his players? Shame the club never pushed boat out for VanDyke , but that's history . mark by the sea
  • Score: 4

3:32pm Tue 22 Jul 14

VegasSeagull says...

Chi Gull wrote:
For me I don't think the budget for transfer fees is a problem. The issue is more about our wage structure and length of contracts. It's wages that eat up the cash on an annual basis, and where we seem to be losing out against some others in this league. So £20k a week for a top striker is £1m per annum in wages - just as an example. My reading of the situation, given our inability to attract exciting new players in (so far), is that there is going to have to be some movement in the current wage structure. I would rather have a slightly smaller high quality squad than a large mediocre squad. At the moment we are some way from having either. Like many others, I am hopeful we will get some good additions to the squad in the next few weeks.
I pretty much agree with all you say within this comment, and like you, I have pondered the question of reducing the size of the squad to free up wages.

The big question would be, in what areas on the park do we reduce the squad, even if only by two players. Most seem to think that we need a left back, so if we reduce the squad do we let Maksi go, or keep him as back up for LB and CB, but that would mean not signing another a new center back.

We have Buckley, Kaz and Solly that can all play wide, but we are supposedly looking for a new wide player, if we get one do we wll Kaz, and even if we let Kaz go, that's just one in and one out, no squad reduction.
No way are we not going to have three keepers. CMS and O'Grady, our only strikers at this itme, so no saving on the squad there.

Where can we reduce the squad by two players?
[quote][p][bold]Chi Gull[/bold] wrote: For me I don't think the budget for transfer fees is a problem. The issue is more about our wage structure and length of contracts. It's wages that eat up the cash on an annual basis, and where we seem to be losing out against some others in this league. So £20k a week for a top striker is £1m per annum in wages - just as an example. My reading of the situation, given our inability to attract exciting new players in (so far), is that there is going to have to be some movement in the current wage structure. I would rather have a slightly smaller high quality squad than a large mediocre squad. At the moment we are some way from having either. Like many others, I am hopeful we will get some good additions to the squad in the next few weeks.[/p][/quote]I pretty much agree with all you say within this comment, and like you, I have pondered the question of reducing the size of the squad to free up wages. The big question would be, in what areas on the park do we reduce the squad, even if only by two players. Most seem to think that we need a left back, so if we reduce the squad do we let Maksi go, or keep him as back up for LB and CB, but that would mean not signing another a new center back. We have Buckley, Kaz and Solly that can all play wide, but we are supposedly looking for a new wide player, if we get one do we wll Kaz, and even if we let Kaz go, that's just one in and one out, no squad reduction. No way are we not going to have three keepers. CMS and O'Grady, our only strikers at this itme, so no saving on the squad there. Where can we reduce the squad by two players? VegasSeagull
  • Score: 1

4:04pm Tue 22 Jul 14

hannover seagull says...

Good comments from TB ,LU and the majority of BHA fans
No anamosity from all sides and a very good business move for what was anyway going to happen sooner or later
We will not get a like for like striker as replacement and I am sure we will be a two striker force this coming season
CMS was left far too long alone up front under Gus and Leo likewise under Oscar
I think the whole shape of our game will change under Sami and would not be surprised to see 4-4-2 or 4-3-3 eventually but we will have to play a lot further up the pitch
Anyway some money in the kitty for shopping lets hope its spent wisely
Maybe Sami´s good reputation and contacts might give us a few rabbits out of the hat in the next couple of weeks
UTA...
Good comments from TB ,LU and the majority of BHA fans No anamosity from all sides and a very good business move for what was anyway going to happen sooner or later We will not get a like for like striker as replacement and I am sure we will be a two striker force this coming season CMS was left far too long alone up front under Gus and Leo likewise under Oscar I think the whole shape of our game will change under Sami and would not be surprised to see 4-4-2 or 4-3-3 eventually but we will have to play a lot further up the pitch Anyway some money in the kitty for shopping lets hope its spent wisely Maybe Sami´s good reputation and contacts might give us a few rabbits out of the hat in the next couple of weeks UTA... hannover seagull
  • Score: 9

4:11pm Tue 22 Jul 14

Cockwomble says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Great that TB has come out and shared his sentiments about the Leo, while the club is a business, the human touch is so important,
I wonder how Gus spending budget looks now with the sale of some of his players? Shame the club never pushed boat out for VanDyke , but that's history .
why do you keep mentioning him then?it was history 18 months ago but you keep bringing him up.we couldve had lots of players if wed pushed the boat out but not all have increased in value like vvd.cockwomble
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: Great that TB has come out and shared his sentiments about the Leo, while the club is a business, the human touch is so important, I wonder how Gus spending budget looks now with the sale of some of his players? Shame the club never pushed boat out for VanDyke , but that's history .[/p][/quote]why do you keep mentioning him then?it was history 18 months ago but you keep bringing him up.we couldve had lots of players if wed pushed the boat out but not all have increased in value like vvd.cockwomble Cockwomble
  • Score: 8

4:18pm Tue 22 Jul 14

daughter-of-manag says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
If prem quality players go to, or stay in, the prem, are the quality players that people are calling upon the club to sign to be regarded as quality Champ Div players?
I only ask this because it seems to me that we have three choices when signing players. We could sign older guys that are stepping down from the prem, those entering the twilight years of their careers. We could gamble by giving a chance for lower division players, ones that have stood out, to step up or, we can sign existing Champ Div players that we know are good.

I would be really interested to know just what those on this forum calling for, 'quality,' signings mean by, 'quality.' Should Hughes and O'Grady be considered as quality, or does qulaity, for purposes of signing players, come in degrees. Best quality prem, good quality Champ Div, average quality cover for Champ Div but seen as good quality for Div 1.

This whole quality thing can be so confusing.
Good post Vegas - I was about to post the same thing. Who are these "quality" players? CoG was player of the year, scored goals in a poor team, and was considered one of Barnsley's jewels by the fans who seem crushed (from fans' forums) by his departure. Furthermore, we paid half a mil for him - yet many on this site were underwhelmed by his arrival! Both Baldock , Murray and Woods are quality strikers but some here disagree. Please inform us who these "quality" strikers are, that you want us to buy - and that we could afford their wages????

Meanwhile, back on planet earth ... Fantastic business selling LU - totally not worth £8mill and a great bit of business. Thank you Leo for not doing a Bridcutt - all the best and thank you for the goals that you bagged for us (and we'll forget about some of the sitters that you missed).

Come on you seagullssssss
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: If prem quality players go to, or stay in, the prem, are the quality players that people are calling upon the club to sign to be regarded as quality Champ Div players? I only ask this because it seems to me that we have three choices when signing players. We could sign older guys that are stepping down from the prem, those entering the twilight years of their careers. We could gamble by giving a chance for lower division players, ones that have stood out, to step up or, we can sign existing Champ Div players that we know are good. I would be really interested to know just what those on this forum calling for, 'quality,' signings mean by, 'quality.' Should Hughes and O'Grady be considered as quality, or does qulaity, for purposes of signing players, come in degrees. Best quality prem, good quality Champ Div, average quality cover for Champ Div but seen as good quality for Div 1. This whole quality thing can be so confusing.[/p][/quote]Good post Vegas - I was about to post the same thing. Who are these "quality" players? CoG was player of the year, scored goals in a poor team, and was considered one of Barnsley's jewels by the fans who seem crushed (from fans' forums) by his departure. Furthermore, we paid half a mil for him - yet many on this site were underwhelmed by his arrival! Both Baldock , Murray and Woods are quality strikers but some here disagree. Please inform us who these "quality" strikers are, that you want us to buy - and that we could afford their wages???? Meanwhile, back on planet earth ... Fantastic business selling LU - totally not worth £8mill and a great bit of business. Thank you Leo for not doing a Bridcutt - all the best and thank you for the goals that you bagged for us (and we'll forget about some of the sitters that you missed). Come on you seagullssssss daughter-of-manag
  • Score: 14

4:26pm Tue 22 Jul 14

pte says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
If prem quality players go to, or stay in, the prem, are the quality players that people are calling upon the club to sign to be regarded as quality Champ Div players?
I only ask this because it seems to me that we have three choices when signing players. We could sign older guys that are stepping down from the prem, those entering the twilight years of their careers. We could gamble by giving a chance for lower division players, ones that have stood out, to step up or, we can sign existing Champ Div players that we know are good.

I would be really interested to know just what those on this forum calling for, 'quality,' signings mean by, 'quality.' Should Hughes and O'Grady be considered as quality, or does qulaity, for purposes of signing players, come in degrees. Best quality prem, good quality Champ Div, average quality cover for Champ Div but seen as good quality for Div 1.

This whole quality thing can be so confusing.
What we need is good championship players that can get us out the championship into the Prem even though they may not be good enough to play in the Prem. You get out of the championship then get Prem quality once promoted.

Why get Prem quality for the Championship, they are too expensive and may not be able to perform in the Championship
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: If prem quality players go to, or stay in, the prem, are the quality players that people are calling upon the club to sign to be regarded as quality Champ Div players? I only ask this because it seems to me that we have three choices when signing players. We could sign older guys that are stepping down from the prem, those entering the twilight years of their careers. We could gamble by giving a chance for lower division players, ones that have stood out, to step up or, we can sign existing Champ Div players that we know are good. I would be really interested to know just what those on this forum calling for, 'quality,' signings mean by, 'quality.' Should Hughes and O'Grady be considered as quality, or does qulaity, for purposes of signing players, come in degrees. Best quality prem, good quality Champ Div, average quality cover for Champ Div but seen as good quality for Div 1. This whole quality thing can be so confusing.[/p][/quote]What we need is good championship players that can get us out the championship into the Prem even though they may not be good enough to play in the Prem. You get out of the championship then get Prem quality once promoted. Why get Prem quality for the Championship, they are too expensive and may not be able to perform in the Championship pte
  • Score: 9

4:27pm Tue 22 Jul 14

mikeygit says...

Yes great business---and lo and behold Argus have given us a picture of Leo with a Leicester shirt-- as some said they would WHY?? Does that REALLY interest us---good luck to him tho`
Yes agree with Vegas and Co---for those wishing to give us their opinions on quality players---can we have some names and can we afford them?? Do they want to come to Albion?? and ARE they available? Many things to sort out and I for one trust TB and Co to do just that. I guess now that we have 8m from the Leo deal we will go hunting in earnest for some ´Quality players¨?? The other thing is they may be quality players but they have to continue to be quality for us. Much as we all like CMS he came with a quality tag and prolific goalscorer but IMHO he has yet to prove himself and like some I hope/believe that this is the season he will do that---but PLEASE remain injury free. Interesting few days to come IMO
Yes great business---and lo and behold Argus have given us a picture of Leo with a Leicester shirt-- as some said they would WHY?? Does that REALLY interest us---good luck to him tho` Yes agree with Vegas and Co---for those wishing to give us their opinions on quality players---can we have some names and can we afford them?? Do they want to come to Albion?? and ARE they available? Many things to sort out and I for one trust TB and Co to do just that. I guess now that we have 8m from the Leo deal we will go hunting in earnest for some ´Quality players¨?? The other thing is they may be quality players but they have to continue to be quality for us. Much as we all like CMS he came with a quality tag and prolific goalscorer but IMHO he has yet to prove himself and like some I hope/believe that this is the season he will do that---but PLEASE remain injury free. Interesting few days to come IMO mikeygit
  • Score: 7

4:28pm Tue 22 Jul 14

don't wanna do it like that says...

This has been ongoing for sometime(me included)money here money there.
Saved wages,profit transfers(sacked staff cheaper new).

Thought it did not matter which division Albion played,fan supporter till i die.

Thought it was about Albion playing good football,if a one eyed one legged goalkeeper was signed,kept cleansheets he is a quality player.

Fairweather fans have already start to vote,if Albion do not have a BRILLIANT season another (thousands) will not renew season tickets.
This has been ongoing for sometime(me included)money here money there. Saved wages,profit transfers(sacked staff cheaper new). Thought it did not matter which division Albion played,fan supporter till i die. Thought it was about Albion playing good football,if a one eyed one legged goalkeeper was signed,kept cleansheets he is a quality player. Fairweather fans have already start to vote,if Albion do not have a BRILLIANT season another (thousands) will not renew season tickets. don't wanna do it like that
  • Score: -3

4:40pm Tue 22 Jul 14

mikeygit says...

Aye Aye---Good point about Ricky Lambert going to L´pool for 4m and there is no great difference between the two players ages. And Lambert has played for his country which should have demanded a premium. So Leo going to Leicester for 8m Plus is an EXCELLENT piece of business. And sometimes one has to speculate to accumulate and I think TB has done just that---we shall wait with interest to see what players are bought in---and whether any of them are an investment for the future. We have done well with both Leo and Bridcutt and to a lesser degree with Barnes.
Aye Aye---Good point about Ricky Lambert going to L´pool for 4m and there is no great difference between the two players ages. And Lambert has played for his country which should have demanded a premium. So Leo going to Leicester for 8m Plus is an EXCELLENT piece of business. And sometimes one has to speculate to accumulate and I think TB has done just that---we shall wait with interest to see what players are bought in---and whether any of them are an investment for the future. We have done well with both Leo and Bridcutt and to a lesser degree with Barnes. mikeygit
  • Score: 6

4:47pm Tue 22 Jul 14

Kit Napier's Beard says...

Chi Gull wrote:
For me I don't think the budget for transfer fees is a problem. The issue is more about our wage structure and length of contracts. It's wages that eat up the cash on an annual basis, and where we seem to be losing out against some others in this league. So £20k a week for a top striker is £1m per annum in wages - just as an example. My reading of the situation, given our inability to attract exciting new players in (so far), is that there is going to have to be some movement in the current wage structure. I would rather have a slightly smaller high quality squad than a large mediocre squad. At the moment we are some way from having either. Like many others, I am hopeful we will get some good additions to the squad in the next few weeks.
Good post.
[quote][p][bold]Chi Gull[/bold] wrote: For me I don't think the budget for transfer fees is a problem. The issue is more about our wage structure and length of contracts. It's wages that eat up the cash on an annual basis, and where we seem to be losing out against some others in this league. So £20k a week for a top striker is £1m per annum in wages - just as an example. My reading of the situation, given our inability to attract exciting new players in (so far), is that there is going to have to be some movement in the current wage structure. I would rather have a slightly smaller high quality squad than a large mediocre squad. At the moment we are some way from having either. Like many others, I am hopeful we will get some good additions to the squad in the next few weeks.[/p][/quote]Good post. Kit Napier's Beard
  • Score: 4

4:48pm Tue 22 Jul 14

Mark Dixon says...

What a terrible photo of Leo above and why do we need to see him hold his Leicester shirt?
What a terrible photo of Leo above and why do we need to see him hold his Leicester shirt? Mark Dixon
  • Score: 5

5:12pm Tue 22 Jul 14

ballantrrae says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Chi Gull wrote:
For me I don't think the budget for transfer fees is a problem. The issue is more about our wage structure and length of contracts. It's wages that eat up the cash on an annual basis, and where we seem to be losing out against some others in this league. So £20k a week for a top striker is £1m per annum in wages - just as an example. My reading of the situation, given our inability to attract exciting new players in (so far), is that there is going to have to be some movement in the current wage structure. I would rather have a slightly smaller high quality squad than a large mediocre squad. At the moment we are some way from having either. Like many others, I am hopeful we will get some good additions to the squad in the next few weeks.
I pretty much agree with all you say within this comment, and like you, I have pondered the question of reducing the size of the squad to free up wages.

The big question would be, in what areas on the park do we reduce the squad, even if only by two players. Most seem to think that we need a left back, so if we reduce the squad do we let Maksi go, or keep him as back up for LB and CB, but that would mean not signing another a new center back.

We have Buckley, Kaz and Solly that can all play wide, but we are supposedly looking for a new wide player, if we get one do we wll Kaz, and even if we let Kaz go, that's just one in and one out, no squad reduction.
No way are we not going to have three keepers. CMS and O'Grady, our only strikers at this itme, so no saving on the squad there.

Where can we reduce the squad by two players?
Vegas I don't think we need to concern ourselves with the size of the squad since I am sure SH will decide how many players he needs always allowing for players's 'versatility' as you suggest. Also I would have to be convinced that the club would increase their reported £10,000 a week maximum weekly wage if the squad size were to be reduced.
Personally I think the club needs 2 players for every position - the exception being GK where 3 are a better option.
Look how vulnerable we were in the play-offs with only 3 CBs when Upson was injured. Against Derby when GG went off we only had one of our regular Back 4 on the pitch and he (Ward) was playing out of position at CB !
However the squad might include players from the DS if SH thinks they have the credentials to be include as Ince, March and JFC had last season and I feel Walton will for this.
What I believe is important is to have as settled a squad as possible. Hopefully all of whom would be fully integrated into and familiar with SH's playing strategy. Having to bring players in on Loan when injuries strike can be disruptive and the team's performance can suffer from lack of continuity as a result, especially with short term loans.
Having a small squad might look attractive financially and appeal to accountants but may rebound and/or prove a false economy. Given one can afford it and that it is within Budget, spending a bit more (and having that extra player or two) which results in the club reaching the PL (and accessing the riches there) would be better than saving a few pounds and remaining in the Championship. Even spending the same budget on less players can be risky because of injuries and suspensions and the resulting prospect of breaking the Budget to get a loan player in and consequently not meeting FFP and then facing sanctions for that failure.
In other words the Albion need to spend whatever is needed to have a squad which is large enough and capable enough to potentially meet its long term objective of getting to the Premier League.
I appreciate that it is a delicate balancing act but I rely on TB, PB, SH and David Jones (Director of Finance) to get it right. No doubt I will get numerous thumbs down for expressing such a thought.
Onwards and Upwards.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chi Gull[/bold] wrote: For me I don't think the budget for transfer fees is a problem. The issue is more about our wage structure and length of contracts. It's wages that eat up the cash on an annual basis, and where we seem to be losing out against some others in this league. So £20k a week for a top striker is £1m per annum in wages - just as an example. My reading of the situation, given our inability to attract exciting new players in (so far), is that there is going to have to be some movement in the current wage structure. I would rather have a slightly smaller high quality squad than a large mediocre squad. At the moment we are some way from having either. Like many others, I am hopeful we will get some good additions to the squad in the next few weeks.[/p][/quote]I pretty much agree with all you say within this comment, and like you, I have pondered the question of reducing the size of the squad to free up wages. The big question would be, in what areas on the park do we reduce the squad, even if only by two players. Most seem to think that we need a left back, so if we reduce the squad do we let Maksi go, or keep him as back up for LB and CB, but that would mean not signing another a new center back. We have Buckley, Kaz and Solly that can all play wide, but we are supposedly looking for a new wide player, if we get one do we wll Kaz, and even if we let Kaz go, that's just one in and one out, no squad reduction. No way are we not going to have three keepers. CMS and O'Grady, our only strikers at this itme, so no saving on the squad there. Where can we reduce the squad by two players?[/p][/quote]Vegas I don't think we need to concern ourselves with the size of the squad since I am sure SH will decide how many players he needs always allowing for players's 'versatility' as you suggest. Also I would have to be convinced that the club would increase their reported £10,000 a week maximum weekly wage if the squad size were to be reduced. Personally I think the club needs 2 players for every position - the exception being GK where 3 are a better option. Look how vulnerable we were in the play-offs with only 3 CBs when Upson was injured. Against Derby when GG went off we only had one of our regular Back 4 on the pitch and he (Ward) was playing out of position at CB ! However the squad might include players from the DS if SH thinks they have the credentials to be include as Ince, March and JFC had last season and I feel Walton will for this. What I believe is important is to have as settled a squad as possible. Hopefully all of whom would be fully integrated into and familiar with SH's playing strategy. Having to bring players in on Loan when injuries strike can be disruptive and the team's performance can suffer from lack of continuity as a result, especially with short term loans. Having a small squad might look attractive financially and appeal to accountants but may rebound and/or prove a false economy. Given one can afford it and that it is within Budget, spending a bit more (and having that extra player or two) which results in the club reaching the PL (and accessing the riches there) would be better than saving a few pounds and remaining in the Championship. Even spending the same budget on less players can be risky because of injuries and suspensions and the resulting prospect of breaking the Budget to get a loan player in and consequently not meeting FFP and then facing sanctions for that failure. In other words the Albion need to spend whatever is needed to have a squad which is large enough and capable enough to potentially meet its long term objective of getting to the Premier League. I appreciate that it is a delicate balancing act but I rely on TB, PB, SH and David Jones (Director of Finance) to get it right. No doubt I will get numerous thumbs down for expressing such a thought. Onwards and Upwards. ballantrrae
  • Score: 10

5:12pm Tue 22 Jul 14

lighteninglee says...

Im thinking the argus editer is a secret leicester fan... Do we really need a pic of him with his new team colours.., i think not...
Im thinking the argus editer is a secret leicester fan... Do we really need a pic of him with his new team colours.., i think not... lighteninglee
  • Score: 1

5:28pm Tue 22 Jul 14

Tony the tiger eastbourne says...

Mayfield sweeper wrote:
I expect Bloom felt better when he looked at all the money, lit a cigar with a bunch of burning £20 notes and headed down the casino.
Thanks for your quality comment, Plonker!!!
[quote][p][bold]Mayfield sweeper[/bold] wrote: I expect Bloom felt better when he looked at all the money, lit a cigar with a bunch of burning £20 notes and headed down the casino.[/p][/quote]Thanks for your quality comment, Plonker!!! Tony the tiger eastbourne
  • Score: 7

5:39pm Tue 22 Jul 14

Crucial Point says...

Slightly odd that Tony Bloom did not take this opportunity to speak about the future of the Albion at this point and reassure the fans that the club would be taking steps to fill the vacancy. Surely a good time to do this...
Slightly odd that Tony Bloom did not take this opportunity to speak about the future of the Albion at this point and reassure the fans that the club would be taking steps to fill the vacancy. Surely a good time to do this... Crucial Point
  • Score: 1

5:47pm Tue 22 Jul 14

dave from bexill says...

ballantrrae wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Chi Gull wrote:
For me I don't think the budget for transfer fees is a problem. The issue is more about our wage structure and length of contracts. It's wages that eat up the cash on an annual basis, and where we seem to be losing out against some others in this league. So £20k a week for a top striker is £1m per annum in wages - just as an example. My reading of the situation, given our inability to attract exciting new players in (so far), is that there is going to have to be some movement in the current wage structure. I would rather have a slightly smaller high quality squad than a large mediocre squad. At the moment we are some way from having either. Like many others, I am hopeful we will get some good additions to the squad in the next few weeks.
I pretty much agree with all you say within this comment, and like you, I have pondered the question of reducing the size of the squad to free up wages.

The big question would be, in what areas on the park do we reduce the squad, even if only by two players. Most seem to think that we need a left back, so if we reduce the squad do we let Maksi go, or keep him as back up for LB and CB, but that would mean not signing another a new center back.

We have Buckley, Kaz and Solly that can all play wide, but we are supposedly looking for a new wide player, if we get one do we wll Kaz, and even if we let Kaz go, that's just one in and one out, no squad reduction.
No way are we not going to have three keepers. CMS and O'Grady, our only strikers at this itme, so no saving on the squad there.

Where can we reduce the squad by two players?
Vegas I don't think we need to concern ourselves with the size of the squad since I am sure SH will decide how many players he needs always allowing for players's 'versatility' as you suggest. Also I would have to be convinced that the club would increase their reported £10,000 a week maximum weekly wage if the squad size were to be reduced.
Personally I think the club needs 2 players for every position - the exception being GK where 3 are a better option.
Look how vulnerable we were in the play-offs with only 3 CBs when Upson was injured. Against Derby when GG went off we only had one of our regular Back 4 on the pitch and he (Ward) was playing out of position at CB !
However the squad might include players from the DS if SH thinks they have the credentials to be include as Ince, March and JFC had last season and I feel Walton will for this.
What I believe is important is to have as settled a squad as possible. Hopefully all of whom would be fully integrated into and familiar with SH's playing strategy. Having to bring players in on Loan when injuries strike can be disruptive and the team's performance can suffer from lack of continuity as a result, especially with short term loans.
Having a small squad might look attractive financially and appeal to accountants but may rebound and/or prove a false economy. Given one can afford it and that it is within Budget, spending a bit more (and having that extra player or two) which results in the club reaching the PL (and accessing the riches there) would be better than saving a few pounds and remaining in the Championship. Even spending the same budget on less players can be risky because of injuries and suspensions and the resulting prospect of breaking the Budget to get a loan player in and consequently not meeting FFP and then facing sanctions for that failure.
In other words the Albion need to spend whatever is needed to have a squad which is large enough and capable enough to potentially meet its long term objective of getting to the Premier League.
I appreciate that it is a delicate balancing act but I rely on TB, PB, SH and David Jones (Director of Finance) to get it right. No doubt I will get numerous thumbs down for expressing such a thought.
Onwards and Upwards.
Three very good posts, giving food for thought
[quote][p][bold]ballantrrae[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chi Gull[/bold] wrote: For me I don't think the budget for transfer fees is a problem. The issue is more about our wage structure and length of contracts. It's wages that eat up the cash on an annual basis, and where we seem to be losing out against some others in this league. So £20k a week for a top striker is £1m per annum in wages - just as an example. My reading of the situation, given our inability to attract exciting new players in (so far), is that there is going to have to be some movement in the current wage structure. I would rather have a slightly smaller high quality squad than a large mediocre squad. At the moment we are some way from having either. Like many others, I am hopeful we will get some good additions to the squad in the next few weeks.[/p][/quote]I pretty much agree with all you say within this comment, and like you, I have pondered the question of reducing the size of the squad to free up wages. The big question would be, in what areas on the park do we reduce the squad, even if only by two players. Most seem to think that we need a left back, so if we reduce the squad do we let Maksi go, or keep him as back up for LB and CB, but that would mean not signing another a new center back. We have Buckley, Kaz and Solly that can all play wide, but we are supposedly looking for a new wide player, if we get one do we wll Kaz, and even if we let Kaz go, that's just one in and one out, no squad reduction. No way are we not going to have three keepers. CMS and O'Grady, our only strikers at this itme, so no saving on the squad there. Where can we reduce the squad by two players?[/p][/quote]Vegas I don't think we need to concern ourselves with the size of the squad since I am sure SH will decide how many players he needs always allowing for players's 'versatility' as you suggest. Also I would have to be convinced that the club would increase their reported £10,000 a week maximum weekly wage if the squad size were to be reduced. Personally I think the club needs 2 players for every position - the exception being GK where 3 are a better option. Look how vulnerable we were in the play-offs with only 3 CBs when Upson was injured. Against Derby when GG went off we only had one of our regular Back 4 on the pitch and he (Ward) was playing out of position at CB ! However the squad might include players from the DS if SH thinks they have the credentials to be include as Ince, March and JFC had last season and I feel Walton will for this. What I believe is important is to have as settled a squad as possible. Hopefully all of whom would be fully integrated into and familiar with SH's playing strategy. Having to bring players in on Loan when injuries strike can be disruptive and the team's performance can suffer from lack of continuity as a result, especially with short term loans. Having a small squad might look attractive financially and appeal to accountants but may rebound and/or prove a false economy. Given one can afford it and that it is within Budget, spending a bit more (and having that extra player or two) which results in the club reaching the PL (and accessing the riches there) would be better than saving a few pounds and remaining in the Championship. Even spending the same budget on less players can be risky because of injuries and suspensions and the resulting prospect of breaking the Budget to get a loan player in and consequently not meeting FFP and then facing sanctions for that failure. In other words the Albion need to spend whatever is needed to have a squad which is large enough and capable enough to potentially meet its long term objective of getting to the Premier League. I appreciate that it is a delicate balancing act but I rely on TB, PB, SH and David Jones (Director of Finance) to get it right. No doubt I will get numerous thumbs down for expressing such a thought. Onwards and Upwards.[/p][/quote]Three very good posts, giving food for thought dave from bexill
  • Score: 5

5:50pm Tue 22 Jul 14

daughter-of-manag says...

Tony the tiger eastbourne wrote:
Mayfield sweeper wrote:
I expect Bloom felt better when he looked at all the money, lit a cigar with a bunch of burning £20 notes and headed down the casino.
Thanks for your quality comment, Plonker!!!
Nice one Tony - made me spit out my coffee :)
[quote][p][bold]Tony the tiger eastbourne[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mayfield sweeper[/bold] wrote: I expect Bloom felt better when he looked at all the money, lit a cigar with a bunch of burning £20 notes and headed down the casino.[/p][/quote]Thanks for your quality comment, Plonker!!![/p][/quote]Nice one Tony - made me spit out my coffee :) daughter-of-manag
  • Score: -4

5:57pm Tue 22 Jul 14

VegasSeagull says...

Ballantrrae.
Yep eleven on the park and another eleven to back them up sounds good, and of course the added keeper, so a squad of twenty three, maybe twenty four with an extra midfielder.

Right now on our web site we have nineteen, with most saying we need a further five.
Ballantrrae. Yep eleven on the park and another eleven to back them up sounds good, and of course the added keeper, so a squad of twenty three, maybe twenty four with an extra midfielder. Right now on our web site we have nineteen, with most saying we need a further five. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 1

5:59pm Tue 22 Jul 14

gordongull says...

ballantrrae wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Chi Gull wrote:
For me I don't think the budget for transfer fees is a problem. The issue is more about our wage structure and length of contracts. It's wages that eat up the cash on an annual basis, and where we seem to be losing out against some others in this league. So £20k a week for a top striker is £1m per annum in wages - just as an example. My reading of the situation, given our inability to attract exciting new players in (so far), is that there is going to have to be some movement in the current wage structure. I would rather have a slightly smaller high quality squad than a large mediocre squad. At the moment we are some way from having either. Like many others, I am hopeful we will get some good additions to the squad in the next few weeks.
I pretty much agree with all you say within this comment, and like you, I have pondered the question of reducing the size of the squad to free up wages.

The big question would be, in what areas on the park do we reduce the squad, even if only by two players. Most seem to think that we need a left back, so if we reduce the squad do we let Maksi go, or keep him as back up for LB and CB, but that would mean not signing another a new center back.

We have Buckley, Kaz and Solly that can all play wide, but we are supposedly looking for a new wide player, if we get one do we wll Kaz, and even if we let Kaz go, that's just one in and one out, no squad reduction.
No way are we not going to have three keepers. CMS and O'Grady, our only strikers at this itme, so no saving on the squad there.

Where can we reduce the squad by two players?
Vegas I don't think we need to concern ourselves with the size of the squad since I am sure SH will decide how many players he needs always allowing for players's 'versatility' as you suggest. Also I would have to be convinced that the club would increase their reported £10,000 a week maximum weekly wage if the squad size were to be reduced.
Personally I think the club needs 2 players for every position - the exception being GK where 3 are a better option.
Look how vulnerable we were in the play-offs with only 3 CBs when Upson was injured. Against Derby when GG went off we only had one of our regular Back 4 on the pitch and he (Ward) was playing out of position at CB !
However the squad might include players from the DS if SH thinks they have the credentials to be include as Ince, March and JFC had last season and I feel Walton will for this.
What I believe is important is to have as settled a squad as possible. Hopefully all of whom would be fully integrated into and familiar with SH's playing strategy. Having to bring players in on Loan when injuries strike can be disruptive and the team's performance can suffer from lack of continuity as a result, especially with short term loans.
Having a small squad might look attractive financially and appeal to accountants but may rebound and/or prove a false economy. Given one can afford it and that it is within Budget, spending a bit more (and having that extra player or two) which results in the club reaching the PL (and accessing the riches there) would be better than saving a few pounds and remaining in the Championship. Even spending the same budget on less players can be risky because of injuries and suspensions and the resulting prospect of breaking the Budget to get a loan player in and consequently not meeting FFP and then facing sanctions for that failure.
In other words the Albion need to spend whatever is needed to have a squad which is large enough and capable enough to potentially meet its long term objective of getting to the Premier League.
I appreciate that it is a delicate balancing act but I rely on TB, PB, SH and David Jones (Director of Finance) to get it right. No doubt I will get numerous thumbs down for expressing such a thought.
Onwards and Upwards.
Couldn't agree more Ballantrrae. (With the possible exception of your suggestion that we don't concern ourselves with the size of the squad. I thought that was what the forum was for!)
The minimum requirement is to have enough players for any reasonable eventuality, and we have the funds to fill those positions within the wage parameters.
A smaller but higher quality squad would leave us dangerously exposed, as well as blowing the wage structure out of the water.
[quote][p][bold]ballantrrae[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chi Gull[/bold] wrote: For me I don't think the budget for transfer fees is a problem. The issue is more about our wage structure and length of contracts. It's wages that eat up the cash on an annual basis, and where we seem to be losing out against some others in this league. So £20k a week for a top striker is £1m per annum in wages - just as an example. My reading of the situation, given our inability to attract exciting new players in (so far), is that there is going to have to be some movement in the current wage structure. I would rather have a slightly smaller high quality squad than a large mediocre squad. At the moment we are some way from having either. Like many others, I am hopeful we will get some good additions to the squad in the next few weeks.[/p][/quote]I pretty much agree with all you say within this comment, and like you, I have pondered the question of reducing the size of the squad to free up wages. The big question would be, in what areas on the park do we reduce the squad, even if only by two players. Most seem to think that we need a left back, so if we reduce the squad do we let Maksi go, or keep him as back up for LB and CB, but that would mean not signing another a new center back. We have Buckley, Kaz and Solly that can all play wide, but we are supposedly looking for a new wide player, if we get one do we wll Kaz, and even if we let Kaz go, that's just one in and one out, no squad reduction. No way are we not going to have three keepers. CMS and O'Grady, our only strikers at this itme, so no saving on the squad there. Where can we reduce the squad by two players?[/p][/quote]Vegas I don't think we need to concern ourselves with the size of the squad since I am sure SH will decide how many players he needs always allowing for players's 'versatility' as you suggest. Also I would have to be convinced that the club would increase their reported £10,000 a week maximum weekly wage if the squad size were to be reduced. Personally I think the club needs 2 players for every position - the exception being GK where 3 are a better option. Look how vulnerable we were in the play-offs with only 3 CBs when Upson was injured. Against Derby when GG went off we only had one of our regular Back 4 on the pitch and he (Ward) was playing out of position at CB ! However the squad might include players from the DS if SH thinks they have the credentials to be include as Ince, March and JFC had last season and I feel Walton will for this. What I believe is important is to have as settled a squad as possible. Hopefully all of whom would be fully integrated into and familiar with SH's playing strategy. Having to bring players in on Loan when injuries strike can be disruptive and the team's performance can suffer from lack of continuity as a result, especially with short term loans. Having a small squad might look attractive financially and appeal to accountants but may rebound and/or prove a false economy. Given one can afford it and that it is within Budget, spending a bit more (and having that extra player or two) which results in the club reaching the PL (and accessing the riches there) would be better than saving a few pounds and remaining in the Championship. Even spending the same budget on less players can be risky because of injuries and suspensions and the resulting prospect of breaking the Budget to get a loan player in and consequently not meeting FFP and then facing sanctions for that failure. In other words the Albion need to spend whatever is needed to have a squad which is large enough and capable enough to potentially meet its long term objective of getting to the Premier League. I appreciate that it is a delicate balancing act but I rely on TB, PB, SH and David Jones (Director of Finance) to get it right. No doubt I will get numerous thumbs down for expressing such a thought. Onwards and Upwards.[/p][/quote]Couldn't agree more Ballantrrae. (With the possible exception of your suggestion that we don't concern ourselves with the size of the squad. I thought that was what the forum was for!) The minimum requirement is to have enough players for any reasonable eventuality, and we have the funds to fill those positions within the wage parameters. A smaller but higher quality squad would leave us dangerously exposed, as well as blowing the wage structure out of the water. gordongull
  • Score: 5

6:11pm Tue 22 Jul 14

Captain Haddock says...

ballantrrae wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Chi Gull wrote:
For me I don't think the budget for transfer fees is a problem. The issue is more about our wage structure and length of contracts. It's wages that eat up the cash on an annual basis, and where we seem to be losing out against some others in this league. So £20k a week for a top striker is £1m per annum in wages - just as an example. My reading of the situation, given our inability to attract exciting new players in (so far), is that there is going to have to be some movement in the current wage structure. I would rather have a slightly smaller high quality squad than a large mediocre squad. At the moment we are some way from having either. Like many others, I am hopeful we will get some good additions to the squad in the next few weeks.
I pretty much agree with all you say within this comment, and like you, I have pondered the question of reducing the size of the squad to free up wages.

The big question would be, in what areas on the park do we reduce the squad, even if only by two players. Most seem to think that we need a left back, so if we reduce the squad do we let Maksi go, or keep him as back up for LB and CB, but that would mean not signing another a new center back.

We have Buckley, Kaz and Solly that can all play wide, but we are supposedly looking for a new wide player, if we get one do we wll Kaz, and even if we let Kaz go, that's just one in and one out, no squad reduction.
No way are we not going to have three keepers. CMS and O'Grady, our only strikers at this itme, so no saving on the squad there.

Where can we reduce the squad by two players?
Vegas I don't think we need to concern ourselves with the size of the squad since I am sure SH will decide how many players he needs always allowing for players's 'versatility' as you suggest. Also I would have to be convinced that the club would increase their reported £10,000 a week maximum weekly wage if the squad size were to be reduced.
Personally I think the club needs 2 players for every position - the exception being GK where 3 are a better option.
Look how vulnerable we were in the play-offs with only 3 CBs when Upson was injured. Against Derby when GG went off we only had one of our regular Back 4 on the pitch and he (Ward) was playing out of position at CB !
However the squad might include players from the DS if SH thinks they have the credentials to be include as Ince, March and JFC had last season and I feel Walton will for this.
What I believe is important is to have as settled a squad as possible. Hopefully all of whom would be fully integrated into and familiar with SH's playing strategy. Having to bring players in on Loan when injuries strike can be disruptive and the team's performance can suffer from lack of continuity as a result, especially with short term loans.
Having a small squad might look attractive financially and appeal to accountants but may rebound and/or prove a false economy. Given one can afford it and that it is within Budget, spending a bit more (and having that extra player or two) which results in the club reaching the PL (and accessing the riches there) would be better than saving a few pounds and remaining in the Championship. Even spending the same budget on less players can be risky because of injuries and suspensions and the resulting prospect of breaking the Budget to get a loan player in and consequently not meeting FFP and then facing sanctions for that failure.
In other words the Albion need to spend whatever is needed to have a squad which is large enough and capable enough to potentially meet its long term objective of getting to the Premier League.
I appreciate that it is a delicate balancing act but I rely on TB, PB, SH and David Jones (Director of Finance) to get it right. No doubt I will get numerous thumbs down for expressing such a thought.
Onwards and Upwards.
On the contrary, B, a resounding thumbs-up from me for an excellent and very well-rounded contribution (as usual tbh).
[quote][p][bold]ballantrrae[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chi Gull[/bold] wrote: For me I don't think the budget for transfer fees is a problem. The issue is more about our wage structure and length of contracts. It's wages that eat up the cash on an annual basis, and where we seem to be losing out against some others in this league. So £20k a week for a top striker is £1m per annum in wages - just as an example. My reading of the situation, given our inability to attract exciting new players in (so far), is that there is going to have to be some movement in the current wage structure. I would rather have a slightly smaller high quality squad than a large mediocre squad. At the moment we are some way from having either. Like many others, I am hopeful we will get some good additions to the squad in the next few weeks.[/p][/quote]I pretty much agree with all you say within this comment, and like you, I have pondered the question of reducing the size of the squad to free up wages. The big question would be, in what areas on the park do we reduce the squad, even if only by two players. Most seem to think that we need a left back, so if we reduce the squad do we let Maksi go, or keep him as back up for LB and CB, but that would mean not signing another a new center back. We have Buckley, Kaz and Solly that can all play wide, but we are supposedly looking for a new wide player, if we get one do we wll Kaz, and even if we let Kaz go, that's just one in and one out, no squad reduction. No way are we not going to have three keepers. CMS and O'Grady, our only strikers at this itme, so no saving on the squad there. Where can we reduce the squad by two players?[/p][/quote]Vegas I don't think we need to concern ourselves with the size of the squad since I am sure SH will decide how many players he needs always allowing for players's 'versatility' as you suggest. Also I would have to be convinced that the club would increase their reported £10,000 a week maximum weekly wage if the squad size were to be reduced. Personally I think the club needs 2 players for every position - the exception being GK where 3 are a better option. Look how vulnerable we were in the play-offs with only 3 CBs when Upson was injured. Against Derby when GG went off we only had one of our regular Back 4 on the pitch and he (Ward) was playing out of position at CB ! However the squad might include players from the DS if SH thinks they have the credentials to be include as Ince, March and JFC had last season and I feel Walton will for this. What I believe is important is to have as settled a squad as possible. Hopefully all of whom would be fully integrated into and familiar with SH's playing strategy. Having to bring players in on Loan when injuries strike can be disruptive and the team's performance can suffer from lack of continuity as a result, especially with short term loans. Having a small squad might look attractive financially and appeal to accountants but may rebound and/or prove a false economy. Given one can afford it and that it is within Budget, spending a bit more (and having that extra player or two) which results in the club reaching the PL (and accessing the riches there) would be better than saving a few pounds and remaining in the Championship. Even spending the same budget on less players can be risky because of injuries and suspensions and the resulting prospect of breaking the Budget to get a loan player in and consequently not meeting FFP and then facing sanctions for that failure. In other words the Albion need to spend whatever is needed to have a squad which is large enough and capable enough to potentially meet its long term objective of getting to the Premier League. I appreciate that it is a delicate balancing act but I rely on TB, PB, SH and David Jones (Director of Finance) to get it right. No doubt I will get numerous thumbs down for expressing such a thought. Onwards and Upwards.[/p][/quote]On the contrary, B, a resounding thumbs-up from me for an excellent and very well-rounded contribution (as usual tbh). Captain Haddock
  • Score: 4

6:30pm Tue 22 Jul 14

tug509 says...

Thanks Leo for everything you gave the shirt and us supporters ,the goal at Forest will be remembered as fondly as a goodbye as it was for putting us into the POs ,it was great to see you happy wearing our shirt .
Leicester have got a good lad and I hope they appreciate what you can add to their team ,hope you fill ya boots .

ps ,see ya next year !.
Thanks Leo for everything you gave the shirt and us supporters ,the goal at Forest will be remembered as fondly as a goodbye as it was for putting us into the POs ,it was great to see you happy wearing our shirt . Leicester have got a good lad and I hope they appreciate what you can add to their team ,hope you fill ya boots . ps ,see ya next year !. tug509
  • Score: 10

7:39pm Tue 22 Jul 14

Bucket feet Duffy says...

I do feel that although TB has done a huge amount for the club , that he bottled it over FFP we should have been in the PL by now , but because we did not go the extra mile we failed and now we are forced onto the back foot, fast becoming a selling club , we need a bit of luck or Burkr to come good with the likes of a Zamora from somewhere, seven first Team players went during the close season before Ulloa went liecester have taken what I consider Crofts apart to be our best two players of last season and still we sit here with a squad that currently has. Relegation written all over it, I just hope we bring some quality in soon, I feel fo Sami he should have have been dealt a better hand than this, I just hope he can work a miracle with what he's got.
I do feel that although TB has done a huge amount for the club , that he bottled it over FFP we should have been in the PL by now , but because we did not go the extra mile we failed and now we are forced onto the back foot, fast becoming a selling club , we need a bit of luck or Burkr to come good with the likes of a Zamora from somewhere, seven first Team players went during the close season before Ulloa went liecester have taken what I consider Crofts apart to be our best two players of last season and still we sit here with a squad that currently has. Relegation written all over it, I just hope we bring some quality in soon, I feel fo Sami he should have have been dealt a better hand than this, I just hope he can work a miracle with what he's got. Bucket feet Duffy
  • Score: -9

7:40pm Tue 22 Jul 14

ballantrrae says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Ballantrrae.
Yep eleven on the park and another eleven to back them up sounds good, and of course the added keeper, so a squad of twenty three, maybe twenty four with an extra midfielder.

Right now on our web site we have nineteen, with most saying we need a further five.
A squad of 24 or 25 if we get in 2 more strikers seems about right Vegas although I wouldn't be surprised if another defender was brought in edging the squad up to 26. Anything more than that should be unnecessary and would have a detrimental effect IMO on our 'wages' Budget - basically 2 more people eating into it.
I noticed Vegas that elsewhere on this thread you raised the question of 'quality' in relation to any acquisitions we make. I think there should be a few gems out there that if Burke is doing a good assessment job we should be able to buy now we have the funds to do so thanks to Ulloa's sale.
We seem to be linked with one or two potentially interesting targets eg Martin Kelly of Liverpool, David Stockdale ( Fulham) and Clayton (Huddersfield). I suspect we won't sign any of these 3 but it illustrates the quality of player we are considered to want to sign.
My main concern at the moment is the relative lack of players coming into the club right now. The sooner that players are signed and can start training with SH and become integrated into the squad the better. It is now only 21/2 weeks until the Wednesday game and the squad does look a bit thin especially from a quality perspective.
Onwards and Upwards for the Albion.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Ballantrrae. Yep eleven on the park and another eleven to back them up sounds good, and of course the added keeper, so a squad of twenty three, maybe twenty four with an extra midfielder. Right now on our web site we have nineteen, with most saying we need a further five.[/p][/quote]A squad of 24 or 25 if we get in 2 more strikers seems about right Vegas although I wouldn't be surprised if another defender was brought in edging the squad up to 26. Anything more than that should be unnecessary and would have a detrimental effect IMO on our 'wages' Budget - basically 2 more people eating into it. I noticed Vegas that elsewhere on this thread you raised the question of 'quality' in relation to any acquisitions we make. I think there should be a few gems out there that if Burke is doing a good assessment job we should be able to buy now we have the funds to do so thanks to Ulloa's sale. We seem to be linked with one or two potentially interesting targets eg Martin Kelly of Liverpool, David Stockdale ( Fulham) and Clayton (Huddersfield). I suspect we won't sign any of these 3 but it illustrates the quality of player we are considered to want to sign. My main concern at the moment is the relative lack of players coming into the club right now. The sooner that players are signed and can start training with SH and become integrated into the squad the better. It is now only 21/2 weeks until the Wednesday game and the squad does look a bit thin especially from a quality perspective. Onwards and Upwards for the Albion. ballantrrae
  • Score: 4

7:55pm Tue 22 Jul 14

hannover seagull says...

tug509 wrote:
Thanks Leo for everything you gave the shirt and us supporters ,the goal at Forest will be remembered as fondly as a goodbye as it was for putting us into the POs ,it was great to see you happy wearing our shirt .
Leicester have got a good lad and I hope they appreciate what you can add to their team ,hope you fill ya boots .

ps ,see ya next year !.
Well said,if he stays fit he will do well
Back to other points posted tonight,I feel that the squad comes first and a team from the squad is second
Germany won the World Cup this way,when Brazil lost two key players there was no-one in the tank to step up to the plate whereas the germans had every player and position covered ,Lahm played left and right back for example and they changed the shape to suit
As long as we can get a format working we will do Ok,
We have some bright talent at the club and maybe this is the year to shine along with CMS
UTA
[quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: Thanks Leo for everything you gave the shirt and us supporters ,the goal at Forest will be remembered as fondly as a goodbye as it was for putting us into the POs ,it was great to see you happy wearing our shirt . Leicester have got a good lad and I hope they appreciate what you can add to their team ,hope you fill ya boots . ps ,see ya next year !.[/p][/quote]Well said,if he stays fit he will do well Back to other points posted tonight,I feel that the squad comes first and a team from the squad is second Germany won the World Cup this way,when Brazil lost two key players there was no-one in the tank to step up to the plate whereas the germans had every player and position covered ,Lahm played left and right back for example and they changed the shape to suit As long as we can get a format working we will do Ok, We have some bright talent at the club and maybe this is the year to shine along with CMS UTA hannover seagull
  • Score: 4

8:00pm Tue 22 Jul 14

don't wanna do it like that says...

daughter-of-manag wrote:
Tony the tiger eastbourne wrote:
Mayfield sweeper wrote:
I expect Bloom felt better when he looked at all the money, lit a cigar with a bunch of burning £20 notes and headed down the casino.
Thanks for your quality comment, Plonker!!!
Nice one Tony - made me spit out my coffee :)
Spit in your coffee okido,think its more tongue in cheek.

The transfer money,apart from the £20 pound note is£8m or whatever the the figure maybe.

TB is a happy bunny.
[quote][p][bold]daughter-of-manag[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tony the tiger eastbourne[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mayfield sweeper[/bold] wrote: I expect Bloom felt better when he looked at all the money, lit a cigar with a bunch of burning £20 notes and headed down the casino.[/p][/quote]Thanks for your quality comment, Plonker!!![/p][/quote]Nice one Tony - made me spit out my coffee :)[/p][/quote]Spit in your coffee okido,think its more tongue in cheek. The transfer money,apart from the £20 pound note is£8m or whatever the the figure maybe. TB is a happy bunny. don't wanna do it like that
  • Score: 1

8:01pm Tue 22 Jul 14

tez1959 says...

about time thank god or should i say tony bloom.maybe he can purchase a decent striker that will chase the ball instead of waiting for the ball to come to him bit of an overweight slow donkey really and well done to leicester the mugs for taking him of our hands 10 games in he will be on the subs bench you watch for not scoring any goals hooray win the league now without him come on you seagulls do it for the fans this season cant see why not need to play solly march though very very good player ....................
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about time thank god or should i say tony bloom.maybe he can purchase a decent striker that will chase the ball instead of waiting for the ball to come to him bit of an overweight slow donkey really and well done to leicester the mugs for taking him of our hands 10 games in he will be on the subs bench you watch for not scoring any goals hooray win the league now without him come on you seagulls do it for the fans this season cant see why not need to play solly march though very very good player .................... .................... .................... .................... .................... .............. tez1959
  • Score: -2

8:04pm Tue 22 Jul 14

ringtone says...

I aint sorry to see him go.

He never did it when it mattered,ie play-offs, both times.

Thats why i think the step up in class will be to much for him.

If Bloom wants to get over it he only has to blow the money and get eight, 1 million pound players.
I aint sorry to see him go. He never did it when it mattered,ie play-offs, both times. Thats why i think the step up in class will be to much for him. If Bloom wants to get over it he only has to blow the money and get eight, 1 million pound players. ringtone
  • Score: -2

8:09pm Tue 22 Jul 14

SMF20 says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Chi Gull wrote:
For me I don't think the budget for transfer fees is a problem. The issue is more about our wage structure and length of contracts. It's wages that eat up the cash on an annual basis, and where we seem to be losing out against some others in this league. So £20k a week for a top striker is £1m per annum in wages - just as an example. My reading of the situation, given our inability to attract exciting new players in (so far), is that there is going to have to be some movement in the current wage structure. I would rather have a slightly smaller high quality squad than a large mediocre squad. At the moment we are some way from having either. Like many others, I am hopeful we will get some good additions to the squad in the next few weeks.
I pretty much agree with all you say within this comment, and like you, I have pondered the question of reducing the size of the squad to free up wages.

The big question would be, in what areas on the park do we reduce the squad, even if only by two players. Most seem to think that we need a left back, so if we reduce the squad do we let Maksi go, or keep him as back up for LB and CB, but that would mean not signing another a new center back.

We have Buckley, Kaz and Solly that can all play wide, but we are supposedly looking for a new wide player, if we get one do we wll Kaz, and even if we let Kaz go, that's just one in and one out, no squad reduction.
No way are we not going to have three keepers. CMS and O'Grady, our only strikers at this itme, so no saving on the squad there.

Where can we reduce the squad by two players?
Good points Vegas but please remember that until we signed Hughes, Toko and COG we were actually 13 down from what we had in Between January and May
With suggested in comings of another 5 I make that a cut back of 5 and thus a reduction in the numbers required
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chi Gull[/bold] wrote: For me I don't think the budget for transfer fees is a problem. The issue is more about our wage structure and length of contracts. It's wages that eat up the cash on an annual basis, and where we seem to be losing out against some others in this league. So £20k a week for a top striker is £1m per annum in wages - just as an example. My reading of the situation, given our inability to attract exciting new players in (so far), is that there is going to have to be some movement in the current wage structure. I would rather have a slightly smaller high quality squad than a large mediocre squad. At the moment we are some way from having either. Like many others, I am hopeful we will get some good additions to the squad in the next few weeks.[/p][/quote]I pretty much agree with all you say within this comment, and like you, I have pondered the question of reducing the size of the squad to free up wages. The big question would be, in what areas on the park do we reduce the squad, even if only by two players. Most seem to think that we need a left back, so if we reduce the squad do we let Maksi go, or keep him as back up for LB and CB, but that would mean not signing another a new center back. We have Buckley, Kaz and Solly that can all play wide, but we are supposedly looking for a new wide player, if we get one do we wll Kaz, and even if we let Kaz go, that's just one in and one out, no squad reduction. No way are we not going to have three keepers. CMS and O'Grady, our only strikers at this itme, so no saving on the squad there. Where can we reduce the squad by two players?[/p][/quote]Good points Vegas but please remember that until we signed Hughes, Toko and COG we were actually 13 down from what we had in Between January and May With suggested in comings of another 5 I make that a cut back of 5 and thus a reduction in the numbers required SMF20
  • Score: 2

8:24pm Tue 22 Jul 14

arc12 says...

Regardless of the fee received my concern is that with Ulloa we struggled to get goals - now's he's gone where are they going to come from now? Hope TB and PB can find a quality replacement as although O'Grady coming in is welcome if we don't get at least 1 more striker I think we could be in for another dry season in front of goal.
Regardless of the fee received my concern is that with Ulloa we struggled to get goals - now's he's gone where are they going to come from now? Hope TB and PB can find a quality replacement as although O'Grady coming in is welcome if we don't get at least 1 more striker I think we could be in for another dry season in front of goal. arc12
  • Score: 1

8:36pm Tue 22 Jul 14

tug509 says...

ringtone wrote:
I aint sorry to see him go.

He never did it when it mattered,ie play-offs, both times.

Thats why i think the step up in class will be to much for him.

If Bloom wants to get over it he only has to blow the money and get eight, 1 million pound players.
Hi ringy ,nice to hear you ,but did you have to bring all your "friends" too .
Leo will do fine ,more space less pace ,he`ll do the job Leicester want from him .
[quote][p][bold]ringtone[/bold] wrote: I aint sorry to see him go. He never did it when it mattered,ie play-offs, both times. Thats why i think the step up in class will be to much for him. If Bloom wants to get over it he only has to blow the money and get eight, 1 million pound players.[/p][/quote]Hi ringy ,nice to hear you ,but did you have to bring all your "friends" too . Leo will do fine ,more space less pace ,he`ll do the job Leicester want from him . tug509
  • Score: 6

8:51pm Tue 22 Jul 14

tug509 says...

hannover seagull wrote:
tug509 wrote:
Thanks Leo for everything you gave the shirt and us supporters ,the goal at Forest will be remembered as fondly as a goodbye as it was for putting us into the POs ,it was great to see you happy wearing our shirt .
Leicester have got a good lad and I hope they appreciate what you can add to their team ,hope you fill ya boots .

ps ,see ya next year !.
Well said,if he stays fit he will do well
Back to other points posted tonight,I feel that the squad comes first and a team from the squad is second
Germany won the World Cup this way,when Brazil lost two key players there was no-one in the tank to step up to the plate whereas the germans had every player and position covered ,Lahm played left and right back for example and they changed the shape to suit
As long as we can get a format working we will do Ok,
We have some bright talent at the club and maybe this is the year to shine along with CMS
UTA
Hi Hannover ,I am happy that Leo will be adequately replaced ,I am also happy about Hughes and O`Grady ,Sami is a top guy highly respected In football and will I`m sure have an influence on some decent loans ,best yet I think personally ,he will actually get something from fringe players ,especially KA .
Bottom line I am happy to trot along to the bookies and bung some cash on us going up as 1 of the 3 ,not certain as yet whether we can be top 2 ,I`ll wait for new signings first . UTA
[quote][p][bold]hannover seagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: Thanks Leo for everything you gave the shirt and us supporters ,the goal at Forest will be remembered as fondly as a goodbye as it was for putting us into the POs ,it was great to see you happy wearing our shirt . Leicester have got a good lad and I hope they appreciate what you can add to their team ,hope you fill ya boots . ps ,see ya next year !.[/p][/quote]Well said,if he stays fit he will do well Back to other points posted tonight,I feel that the squad comes first and a team from the squad is second Germany won the World Cup this way,when Brazil lost two key players there was no-one in the tank to step up to the plate whereas the germans had every player and position covered ,Lahm played left and right back for example and they changed the shape to suit As long as we can get a format working we will do Ok, We have some bright talent at the club and maybe this is the year to shine along with CMS UTA[/p][/quote]Hi Hannover ,I am happy that Leo will be adequately replaced ,I am also happy about Hughes and O`Grady ,Sami is a top guy highly respected In football and will I`m sure have an influence on some decent loans ,best yet I think personally ,he will actually get something from fringe players ,especially KA . Bottom line I am happy to trot along to the bookies and bung some cash on us going up as 1 of the 3 ,not certain as yet whether we can be top 2 ,I`ll wait for new signings first . UTA tug509
  • Score: 2

9:12pm Tue 22 Jul 14

Bucket feet Duffy says...

arc12 wrote:
Regardless of the fee received my concern is that with Ulloa we struggled to get goals - now's he's gone where are they going to come from now? Hope TB and PB can find a quality replacement as although O'Grady coming in is welcome if we don't get at least 1 more striker I think we could be in for another dry season in front of goal.
Last season our problem was goals from midfield, Crofts being the only one that could add that dimension, Leo for games played did ok running the line on his own, he is a strong CF with good control he will do well in the prem. good luck Leo and thanks just disappointed the politics in our club prevented it from being us that you finally achieved your dream.
[quote][p][bold]arc12[/bold] wrote: Regardless of the fee received my concern is that with Ulloa we struggled to get goals - now's he's gone where are they going to come from now? Hope TB and PB can find a quality replacement as although O'Grady coming in is welcome if we don't get at least 1 more striker I think we could be in for another dry season in front of goal.[/p][/quote]Last season our problem was goals from midfield, Crofts being the only one that could add that dimension, Leo for games played did ok running the line on his own, he is a strong CF with good control he will do well in the prem. good luck Leo and thanks just disappointed the politics in our club prevented it from being us that you finally achieved your dream. Bucket feet Duffy
  • Score: 2

9:14pm Tue 22 Jul 14

New Jersey Seagull says...

Maybe I am alone in criticizing TB for being a little disingenuous in making Ulloa responsible for his transfer to a premier league team. I would suggest that when Gus signed him for what now seems a paltry sum and mid-table wages, the possibility of premier league football in the near future was a major incentive. We know from the comments of Gus and Oscar and the recent lack of money spent on transfer fees that Ulloa might question those earlier promises. Possibly, the incentive of being in the premier league is something that players no longer factor into their decisions about joining BHA and that makes recruitment difficult. Let us face it giving O’Grady a four-year contract does not suggest the club has ambitions for the premier league in the near future.
Maybe I am alone in criticizing TB for being a little disingenuous in making Ulloa responsible for his transfer to a premier league team. I would suggest that when Gus signed him for what now seems a paltry sum and mid-table wages, the possibility of premier league football in the near future was a major incentive. We know from the comments of Gus and Oscar and the recent lack of money spent on transfer fees that Ulloa might question those earlier promises. Possibly, the incentive of being in the premier league is something that players no longer factor into their decisions about joining BHA and that makes recruitment difficult. Let us face it giving O’Grady a four-year contract does not suggest the club has ambitions for the premier league in the near future. New Jersey Seagull
  • Score: -1

9:20pm Tue 22 Jul 14

south1919 says...

Towner83 wrote:
I'm proud to know we've got a chairman that sticks to his guns and does the best by the club. Superb deal struck by Tony Bloom. Players come and go but hopefully TB is at the helm for many years to come
All the time your blowing smoke up his arse he will be
[quote][p][bold]Towner83[/bold] wrote: I'm proud to know we've got a chairman that sticks to his guns and does the best by the club. Superb deal struck by Tony Bloom. Players come and go but hopefully TB is at the helm for many years to come[/p][/quote]All the time your blowing smoke up his arse he will be south1919
  • Score: -4

9:28pm Tue 22 Jul 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

Crucial Point wrote:
Slightly odd that Tony Bloom did not take this opportunity to speak about the future of the Albion at this point and reassure the fans that the club would be taking steps to fill the vacancy. Surely a good time to do this...
Kinda goes without saying, doesn't it?
[quote][p][bold]Crucial Point[/bold] wrote: Slightly odd that Tony Bloom did not take this opportunity to speak about the future of the Albion at this point and reassure the fans that the club would be taking steps to fill the vacancy. Surely a good time to do this...[/p][/quote]Kinda goes without saying, doesn't it? Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 2

9:30pm Tue 22 Jul 14

bhaforever says...

BBC sports said BHA previous record fee was £1.5m for Zamora and virgo?? I thought Bridcutt was are highest sale to date?? Either way £8 million is a great amount for Leo wish him all the best I just hope we put a few million towards some players.
BBC sports said BHA previous record fee was £1.5m for Zamora and virgo?? I thought Bridcutt was are highest sale to date?? Either way £8 million is a great amount for Leo wish him all the best I just hope we put a few million towards some players. bhaforever
  • Score: 6

9:35pm Tue 22 Jul 14

pte says...

People say we are still short by 6 players in order to have experienced cover in all positions. But maybe the plan (if there is one) is to deliberately be short of 3 players so that in an emergency that gives the opportunity to blood youngsters.

Having experienced cover for every position is expensive and means the youngsters never get a game, and never develop into a valuable asset.

Going by last season, I don't think the club is going to cover every single gap so we may only see two or three more new recruits
People say we are still short by 6 players in order to have experienced cover in all positions. But maybe the plan (if there is one) is to deliberately be short of 3 players so that in an emergency that gives the opportunity to blood youngsters. Having experienced cover for every position is expensive and means the youngsters never get a game, and never develop into a valuable asset. Going by last season, I don't think the club is going to cover every single gap so we may only see two or three more new recruits pte
  • Score: 0

9:36pm Tue 22 Jul 14

VegasSeagull says...

I am not so sure that there are grounds to be concerned at our apparent lack of activity in the transfer market. Hyypia is reportedly going to change the way we play, I am forced to assume that Hyypia has enough sense to sign players that he knows are already playing our new style and will have the skill sets needed.
The players getting used to each other and forming set piece routines will take a short while, but in general play there shouldn't be a big problem, not if they are used to doing what Sami wants.
I am not so sure that there are grounds to be concerned at our apparent lack of activity in the transfer market. Hyypia is reportedly going to change the way we play, I am forced to assume that Hyypia has enough sense to sign players that he knows are already playing our new style and will have the skill sets needed. The players getting used to each other and forming set piece routines will take a short while, but in general play there shouldn't be a big problem, not if they are used to doing what Sami wants. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 3

10:03pm Tue 22 Jul 14

ringtone says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
I am not so sure that there are grounds to be concerned at our apparent lack of activity in the transfer market. Hyypia is reportedly going to change the way we play, I am forced to assume that Hyypia has enough sense to sign players that he knows are already playing our new style and will have the skill sets needed.
The players getting used to each other and forming set piece routines will take a short while, but in general play there shouldn't be a big problem, not if they are used to doing what Sami wants.
I am forced to assume that Hyypia has enough sense to sign players that he knows are already playing our new style.

Hardly a ringing endorsement of the new coach.

If you dont fancy him Vegas just come out and say so.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: I am not so sure that there are grounds to be concerned at our apparent lack of activity in the transfer market. Hyypia is reportedly going to change the way we play, I am forced to assume that Hyypia has enough sense to sign players that he knows are already playing our new style and will have the skill sets needed. The players getting used to each other and forming set piece routines will take a short while, but in general play there shouldn't be a big problem, not if they are used to doing what Sami wants.[/p][/quote]I am forced to assume that Hyypia has enough sense to sign players that he knows are already playing our new style. Hardly a ringing endorsement of the new coach. If you dont fancy him Vegas just come out and say so. ringtone
  • Score: 2

10:13pm Tue 22 Jul 14

hannover seagull says...

pte wrote:
People say we are still short by 6 players in order to have experienced cover in all positions. But maybe the plan (if there is one) is to deliberately be short of 3 players so that in an emergency that gives the opportunity to blood youngsters.

Having experienced cover for every position is expensive and means the youngsters never get a game, and never develop into a valuable asset.

Going by last season, I don't think the club is going to cover every single gap so we may only see two or three more new recruits
Cover in all positions can be also acheived with youth
Who said anything about expensive,its all about competing for a place
Ince,March and Caskey along with Fenelon are here for the long haul and will get in the team this year along with Walton
[quote][p][bold]pte[/bold] wrote: People say we are still short by 6 players in order to have experienced cover in all positions. But maybe the plan (if there is one) is to deliberately be short of 3 players so that in an emergency that gives the opportunity to blood youngsters. Having experienced cover for every position is expensive and means the youngsters never get a game, and never develop into a valuable asset. Going by last season, I don't think the club is going to cover every single gap so we may only see two or three more new recruits[/p][/quote]Cover in all positions can be also acheived with youth Who said anything about expensive,its all about competing for a place Ince,March and Caskey along with Fenelon are here for the long haul and will get in the team this year along with Walton hannover seagull
  • Score: 3

10:24pm Tue 22 Jul 14

hannover seagull says...

tug509 wrote:
hannover seagull wrote:
tug509 wrote:
Thanks Leo for everything you gave the shirt and us supporters ,the goal at Forest will be remembered as fondly as a goodbye as it was for putting us into the POs ,it was great to see you happy wearing our shirt .
Leicester have got a good lad and I hope they appreciate what you can add to their team ,hope you fill ya boots .

ps ,see ya next year !.
Well said,if he stays fit he will do well
Back to other points posted tonight,I feel that the squad comes first and a team from the squad is second
Germany won the World Cup this way,when Brazil lost two key players there was no-one in the tank to step up to the plate whereas the germans had every player and position covered ,Lahm played left and right back for example and they changed the shape to suit
As long as we can get a format working we will do Ok,
We have some bright talent at the club and maybe this is the year to shine along with CMS
UTA
Hi Hannover ,I am happy that Leo will be adequately replaced ,I am also happy about Hughes and O`Grady ,Sami is a top guy highly respected In football and will I`m sure have an influence on some decent loans ,best yet I think personally ,he will actually get something from fringe players ,especially KA .
Bottom line I am happy to trot along to the bookies and bung some cash on us going up as 1 of the 3 ,not certain as yet whether we can be top 2 ,I`ll wait for new signings first . UTA
I bet on Brighton every year just in blind faith

Better odds this year ,here we go again,
Get your money on before we sign """""""?
Doesn´t really matter though as I have promised Mrs Hannover Seagull to give half to charity when we storm the league
Keep the faith
UTA
[quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hannover seagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: Thanks Leo for everything you gave the shirt and us supporters ,the goal at Forest will be remembered as fondly as a goodbye as it was for putting us into the POs ,it was great to see you happy wearing our shirt . Leicester have got a good lad and I hope they appreciate what you can add to their team ,hope you fill ya boots . ps ,see ya next year !.[/p][/quote]Well said,if he stays fit he will do well Back to other points posted tonight,I feel that the squad comes first and a team from the squad is second Germany won the World Cup this way,when Brazil lost two key players there was no-one in the tank to step up to the plate whereas the germans had every player and position covered ,Lahm played left and right back for example and they changed the shape to suit As long as we can get a format working we will do Ok, We have some bright talent at the club and maybe this is the year to shine along with CMS UTA[/p][/quote]Hi Hannover ,I am happy that Leo will be adequately replaced ,I am also happy about Hughes and O`Grady ,Sami is a top guy highly respected In football and will I`m sure have an influence on some decent loans ,best yet I think personally ,he will actually get something from fringe players ,especially KA . Bottom line I am happy to trot along to the bookies and bung some cash on us going up as 1 of the 3 ,not certain as yet whether we can be top 2 ,I`ll wait for new signings first . UTA[/p][/quote]I bet on Brighton every year just in blind faith Better odds this year ,here we go again, Get your money on before we sign """""""? Doesn´t really matter though as I have promised Mrs Hannover Seagull to give half to charity when we storm the league Keep the faith UTA hannover seagull
  • Score: 4

10:43pm Tue 22 Jul 14

jarmonesque says...

SMF20 wrote:
Nice touch from the boss. Good to see.

I like others hope that the Leo money is invested now.

This is going to be the toughest championship season yet imho. Looking at some of the sides we will be competing against this season, it will be a hard task to get in the top 10 let alone the playoffs.

That 8 million could put us up there again if spent wisely and I genuinely think that Sami will be the right man, making the right decisions.

Uta
Tougher than when Hinshelwood was manager? I doubt it. Or have you only just started watching?
[quote][p][bold]SMF20[/bold] wrote: Nice touch from the boss. Good to see. I like others hope that the Leo money is invested now. This is going to be the toughest championship season yet imho. Looking at some of the sides we will be competing against this season, it will be a hard task to get in the top 10 let alone the playoffs. That 8 million could put us up there again if spent wisely and I genuinely think that Sami will be the right man, making the right decisions. Uta[/p][/quote]Tougher than when Hinshelwood was manager? I doubt it. Or have you only just started watching? jarmonesque
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12:32am Wed 23 Jul 14

don't wanna do it like that says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
I am not so sure that there are grounds to be concerned at our apparent lack of activity in the transfer market. Hyypia is reportedly going to change the way we play, I am forced to assume that Hyypia has enough sense to sign players that he knows are already playing our new style and will have the skill sets needed.
The players getting used to each other and forming set piece routines will take a short while, but in general play there shouldn't be a big problem, not if they are used to doing what Sami wants.
Apart from this site do you actually have a life.

Please go on holiday,get a job do some gardening.

The season has not started yet,then everybody expects your expertise,regarding whome should have come on in the 60th min etc etc etc.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: I am not so sure that there are grounds to be concerned at our apparent lack of activity in the transfer market. Hyypia is reportedly going to change the way we play, I am forced to assume that Hyypia has enough sense to sign players that he knows are already playing our new style and will have the skill sets needed. The players getting used to each other and forming set piece routines will take a short while, but in general play there shouldn't be a big problem, not if they are used to doing what Sami wants.[/p][/quote]Apart from this site do you actually have a life. Please go on holiday,get a job do some gardening. The season has not started yet,then everybody expects your expertise,regarding whome should have come on in the 60th min etc etc etc. don't wanna do it like that
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12:50am Wed 23 Jul 14

gordongull says...

You obviously enjoy reading it, don't Wanna, otherwise you would scroll right past.
You obviously enjoy reading it, don't Wanna, otherwise you would scroll right past. gordongull
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9:53am Wed 23 Jul 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

gordongull wrote:
You obviously enjoy reading it, don't Wanna, otherwise you would scroll right past.
:-) Same troll, different name...
[quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: You obviously enjoy reading it, don't Wanna, otherwise you would scroll right past.[/p][/quote]:-) Same troll, different name... Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 0

9:53am Wed 23 Jul 14

tinker111 says...

brightonfan34 wrote:
i hope that we use the money and get in a quality replacement instead of the names that are being mentioned (eg wood , baldock murray and others )
Don't fancy any of those three
[quote][p][bold]brightonfan34[/bold] wrote: i hope that we use the money and get in a quality replacement instead of the names that are being mentioned (eg wood , baldock murray and others )[/p][/quote]Don't fancy any of those three tinker111
  • Score: 1

9:56am Wed 23 Jul 14

tinker111 says...

SecondReserve wrote:
If Tony Bloom says he didn't want to sell Ulloa then obviously he didn't need to sell him and so it follows that we weren't in any real need of the £8 million. Therefore, presumably, all of it will be made available for new players. Logical surely?
Don't hold your breath?? Albion don't do logic just want MONEY
[quote][p][bold]SecondReserve[/bold] wrote: If Tony Bloom says he didn't want to sell Ulloa then obviously he didn't need to sell him and so it follows that we weren't in any real need of the £8 million. Therefore, presumably, all of it will be made available for new players. Logical surely?[/p][/quote]Don't hold your breath?? Albion don't do logic just want MONEY tinker111
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9:57am Wed 23 Jul 14

tinker111 says...

Nobody important wrote:
Considering that Rickie Lambert (an English premier league proven striker) went to liverpool for 4 million not long ago and we have just sold Ulloa for around 8 million I feel that this was a good deal, however there will be no more excuses for not signing players in the near future.
DONT HOLD YOUR BREATH
[quote][p][bold]Nobody important[/bold] wrote: Considering that Rickie Lambert (an English premier league proven striker) went to liverpool for 4 million not long ago and we have just sold Ulloa for around 8 million I feel that this was a good deal, however there will be no more excuses for not signing players in the near future.[/p][/quote]DONT HOLD YOUR BREATH tinker111
  • Score: -1

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