Albion transfer target bound for Boro

Adam Clayton

Adam Clayton

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Albion appear to have lost out to Middlesbrough in their pursuit of Huddersfield midfielder Adam Clayton.

An Argus source in the North-East has confirmed Clayton is expected to sign for Boro this afternoon, subject to a medical, with a fee of £1.5 million rising to a potential £2 million and personal terms reportedly agreed.

The Leeds-born 25-year-old has been a target for Albion since January, when they had a £1 million bid turned down by Huddersfield.

The Seagulls stepped up their persistent interest after the £8 million departure of striker Leo Ulloa to Leicester.

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2:14pm Tue 5 Aug 14

BobGear says...

Arse!
Arse! BobGear
  • Score: 5

2:15pm Tue 5 Aug 14

JohnnyCrumplinFootballGenius says...

Wow we really don't want to spend money do we, the club that is, not the fans! Should make the fans forum interesting..
Wow we really don't want to spend money do we, the club that is, not the fans! Should make the fans forum interesting.. JohnnyCrumplinFootballGenius
  • Score: 37

2:16pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Conelli98 says...

I thought Bloom was a gambler and a business man! Others flout FFP and old goody two shoes plays by the book. ONE CLUB ONE AMBITION....should read....THREE MEN NO IDEA! Time to sell Tony if you don't want to play with the big boys!
Feel sorry for Hypia!!!
I thought Bloom was a gambler and a business man! Others flout FFP and old goody two shoes plays by the book. ONE CLUB ONE AMBITION....should read....THREE MEN NO IDEA! Time to sell Tony if you don't want to play with the big boys! Feel sorry for Hypia!!! Conelli98
  • Score: 8

2:19pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Conelli98 says...

Naylor and Owen, Why feed us tripe over the weekend?
Naylor and Owen, Why feed us tripe over the weekend? Conelli98
  • Score: 74

2:20pm Tue 5 Aug 14

AlanDuffy says...

The Argus source being.......the Middlesborough Gazette.
The Argus source being.......the Middlesborough Gazette. AlanDuffy
  • Score: 22

2:21pm Tue 5 Aug 14

VegasSeagull says...

The surprising thing about this deal is the numbers, I can't believe that we lost out on a top target when we are only looking at 1.5M maybe rising to 2M, I say, 'only,' due to the fact that we do have money available. I can't think it's a wages issue as we couldn't have spoken about that unless a bid had been accepted, which it wasn't.
The surprising thing about this deal is the numbers, I can't believe that we lost out on a top target when we are only looking at 1.5M maybe rising to 2M, I say, 'only,' due to the fact that we do have money available. I can't think it's a wages issue as we couldn't have spoken about that unless a bid had been accepted, which it wasn't. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 31

2:26pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Conelli98 says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
The surprising thing about this deal is the numbers, I can't believe that we lost out on a top target when we are only looking at 1.5M maybe rising to 2M, I say, 'only,' due to the fact that we do have money available. I can't think it's a wages issue as we couldn't have spoken about that unless a bid had been accepted, which it wasn't.
Maybe Clayton didn't want to come South!!! but don't ever expect the truth from Club or NoNothing Argus!
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: The surprising thing about this deal is the numbers, I can't believe that we lost out on a top target when we are only looking at 1.5M maybe rising to 2M, I say, 'only,' due to the fact that we do have money available. I can't think it's a wages issue as we couldn't have spoken about that unless a bid had been accepted, which it wasn't.[/p][/quote]Maybe Clayton didn't want to come South!!! but don't ever expect the truth from Club or NoNothing Argus! Conelli98
  • Score: 21

2:29pm Tue 5 Aug 14

kipper12 says...

oh superb !!!! once again the Argus getting our hopes up !!! i'm getting really bored of this now .......... what next ? Baldock to stay at Bristol City and Ward to go elsewhere soon ???? and then we will hear the good news that Obika is set to sign a 3 year deal after impressing the Burke while on loan last season !!! ITS ALL A BIG JOKE !!!!!
come on TB get it sorted please before we are playing in div 1 in a half empty amex !!! yes , i'm worried ........ so please someone get me motivated about next season ... UTA !!!!
oh superb !!!! once again the Argus getting our hopes up !!! i'm getting really bored of this now .......... what next ? Baldock to stay at Bristol City and Ward to go elsewhere soon ???? and then we will hear the good news that Obika is set to sign a 3 year deal after impressing the Burke while on loan last season !!! ITS ALL A BIG JOKE !!!!! come on TB get it sorted please before we are playing in div 1 in a half empty amex !!! yes , i'm worried ........ so please someone get me motivated about next season ... UTA !!!! kipper12
  • Score: 75

2:30pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Joel'sGrandad says...

This is getting embarrassing now!
Clearly Clayton sees Boro as a better bet than us or is it that we didn't want to match or better their offer.
Baldock looks a non starter also now.
Other clubs are doing business so why aren't we?
Should be very interesting tonight.
I too feel sorry for Sami. UTA
This is getting embarrassing now! Clearly Clayton sees Boro as a better bet than us or is it that we didn't want to match or better their offer. Baldock looks a non starter also now. Other clubs are doing business so why aren't we? Should be very interesting tonight. I too feel sorry for Sami. UTA Joel'sGrandad
  • Score: 48

2:31pm Tue 5 Aug 14

woodcroft says...

Conelli98 wrote:
Naylor and Owen, Why feed us tripe over the weekend?
First last January and the Bournemouth Centre Forward.
Then missing out to three Nationals on Oscar Not even at the races on that one
Now , last Saturday these three had all signed, done deal: Oh No!!
Bristol want £4 for Sam and Adam going the North East.
Pure work of fiction Naylor ad Owen.
Hope you are ready with your story when this manager s gone by Christmas
[quote][p][bold]Conelli98[/bold] wrote: Naylor and Owen, Why feed us tripe over the weekend?[/p][/quote]First last January and the Bournemouth Centre Forward. Then missing out to three Nationals on Oscar Not even at the races on that one Now , last Saturday these three had all signed, done deal: Oh No!! Bristol want £4 for Sam and Adam going the North East. Pure work of fiction Naylor ad Owen. Hope you are ready with your story when this manager s gone by Christmas woodcroft
  • Score: 33

2:32pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Mark Dixon says...

I live in Somerset, does anyone know if the meeting tonight is live on the local radio??
I live in Somerset, does anyone know if the meeting tonight is live on the local radio?? Mark Dixon
  • Score: 4

2:35pm Tue 5 Aug 14

VegasSeagull says...

Mark Dixon wrote:
I live in Somerset, does anyone know if the meeting tonight is live on the local radio??
as I understand it yes it is on the radio, no idea which station though
[quote][p][bold]Mark Dixon[/bold] wrote: I live in Somerset, does anyone know if the meeting tonight is live on the local radio??[/p][/quote]as I understand it yes it is on the radio, no idea which station though VegasSeagull
  • Score: 2

2:36pm Tue 5 Aug 14

albionfan33 says...

what an absolute joke this season looks like a right off before its begun. 1.5 mil and we have been gazumped for our top target shows what kind of fools are making our dealings i too feel very sorry for hyppia
what an absolute joke this season looks like a right off before its begun. 1.5 mil and we have been gazumped for our top target shows what kind of fools are making our dealings i too feel very sorry for hyppia albionfan33
  • Score: 30

2:36pm Tue 5 Aug 14

JeffLomer says...

Moving to Boro for Clayton makes sense to him and his family, he can either commute where he lives now, or move to the exclusive estate at wynyards where a lot off footballers live, ten mins from training!!

Shame though I rate Clayton, we keep looking and hoping!!
Up the Albion!!
Moving to Boro for Clayton makes sense to him and his family, he can either commute where he lives now, or move to the exclusive estate at wynyards where a lot off footballers live, ten mins from training!! Shame though I rate Clayton, we keep looking and hoping!! Up the Albion!! JeffLomer
  • Score: 7

2:36pm Tue 5 Aug 14

tug509 says...

Well I wonder who is the biggest BURKE of the lot ,AN for stringing us along ,us for believing him or that pr@t of a DOF who couldn`t organise the preverbial PU in a brewery ?.
By the way Quiterie ,according to the H,field lads once Boro did exactly what I said they would do ,gazump us ,it took a few hours for them to seal the deal ,something BURKE couldn`t achieve in 8 frickin months .
Well I wonder who is the biggest BURKE of the lot ,AN for stringing us along ,us for believing him or that pr@t of a DOF who couldn`t organise the preverbial PU in a brewery ?. By the way Quiterie ,according to the H,field lads once Boro did exactly what I said they would do ,gazump us ,it took a few hours for them to seal the deal ,something BURKE couldn`t achieve in 8 frickin months . tug509
  • Score: 26

2:39pm Tue 5 Aug 14

duncan 74 says...

Yes it is very disappointing but I think it's important to consider the location of our club. When you travel in the Huddersfield area of the country every sign post is a football league club. If Clayton has a young family then we are automatically up against it if he wants to keep an element of stability in his family life, schools etc. If it was a straight choice between the two clubs without the location issue I like to think that we would win every time. I have always thought we should target players from the London clubs more because then the distance isn't such an issue. I might be way off the mark with this but I think it's a point that needs to be considered more. The biggest upset is that we all thought that there would be three signings this week and it may not be the case.
Yes it is very disappointing but I think it's important to consider the location of our club. When you travel in the Huddersfield area of the country every sign post is a football league club. If Clayton has a young family then we are automatically up against it if he wants to keep an element of stability in his family life, schools etc. If it was a straight choice between the two clubs without the location issue I like to think that we would win every time. I have always thought we should target players from the London clubs more because then the distance isn't such an issue. I might be way off the mark with this but I think it's a point that needs to be considered more. The biggest upset is that we all thought that there would be three signings this week and it may not be the case. duncan 74
  • Score: 25

2:42pm Tue 5 Aug 14

ringtone says...

Look I know everyone is disappointed.

But at least we got Lewes Dunk signed up for the next FOUR years.
Look I know everyone is disappointed. But at least we got Lewes Dunk signed up for the next FOUR years. ringtone
  • Score: -7

2:42pm Tue 5 Aug 14

pablobrowno says...

Mark Dixon wrote:
I live in Somerset, does anyone know if the meeting tonight is live on the local radio??
It's on BBC Sussex. You'll be able to pick it up via internet radio. So if you have a radio app on your Iphone or Ipad like TuneIn Radio you can search for bbc sussex. Alternatively using a PC go to the BBC Sussex website and click on listen live. If you don't have the internet (and broadband) you might be screwed. Although TuneIn app will work via 3G or 4G network on your Iphone, if you have one!

Enjoy!
[quote][p][bold]Mark Dixon[/bold] wrote: I live in Somerset, does anyone know if the meeting tonight is live on the local radio??[/p][/quote]It's on BBC Sussex. You'll be able to pick it up via internet radio. So if you have a radio app on your Iphone or Ipad like TuneIn Radio you can search for bbc sussex. Alternatively using a PC go to the BBC Sussex website and click on listen live. If you don't have the internet (and broadband) you might be screwed. Although TuneIn app will work via 3G or 4G network on your Iphone, if you have one! Enjoy! pablobrowno
  • Score: 14

2:43pm Tue 5 Aug 14

heshootshescores says...

Hope Barber and Burke get the grilling they deserve at the fans' forum tonight. This close season has been nothing short of a shambles.

No wonder Gus and Oscar couldn't wait to get out. Bad enough selling Ulloa – nothing they could do about that one when an ambitious player wants to further his career – but the fact that they had no apparent plan in place to replace him or others is the thing that rankles me.

So much for the ridiculous "Trio Set To Sign" headline. Clayton has gone to Middlesbrough, Bristol City have described bids for Baldock as "derisory" and Ward is playing pre-season friendlies for Wolves when it's obvious to all we need an experienced left back.

We're going into the season totally unprepared to be a competitive force in the Championship. Worse still, we're not giving Sami a chance to succeed with the squad we currently have.

Something has to change. How about giving Barber the boot and using the 500k we're wasting on his wages to increase the playing budget, which clearly is lower than clubs like Forest and Boro – even though we have the best fan base in the Championship?
Hope Barber and Burke get the grilling they deserve at the fans' forum tonight. This close season has been nothing short of a shambles. No wonder Gus and Oscar couldn't wait to get out. Bad enough selling Ulloa – nothing they could do about that one when an ambitious player wants to further his career – but the fact that they had no apparent plan in place to replace him or others is the thing that rankles me. So much for the ridiculous "Trio Set To Sign" headline. Clayton has gone to Middlesbrough, Bristol City have described bids for Baldock as "derisory" and Ward is playing pre-season friendlies for Wolves when it's obvious to all we need an experienced left back. We're going into the season totally unprepared to be a competitive force in the Championship. Worse still, we're not giving Sami a chance to succeed with the squad we currently have. Something has to change. How about giving Barber the boot and using the 500k we're wasting on his wages to increase the playing budget, which clearly is lower than clubs like Forest and Boro – even though we have the best fan base in the Championship? heshootshescores
  • Score: 42

2:44pm Tue 5 Aug 14

VegasSeagull says...

tug509 wrote:
Well I wonder who is the biggest BURKE of the lot ,AN for stringing us along ,us for believing him or that pr@t of a DOF who couldn`t organise the preverbial PU in a brewery ?.
By the way Quiterie ,according to the H,field lads once Boro did exactly what I said they would do ,gazump us ,it took a few hours for them to seal the deal ,something BURKE couldn`t achieve in 8 frickin months .
Tug, why didn't Bloom step in, he knew what we had offered and he knew what the reply was to our offer, he also knew that Boro were in the chase. Did we reach a point where we were not prepared to ffer more, Bloom wouldn't sanction an increased bid? Burke may not be the best negotiator, I wouldn't know about that, but Bloom has the final say on all deals.
[quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: Well I wonder who is the biggest BURKE of the lot ,AN for stringing us along ,us for believing him or that pr@t of a DOF who couldn`t organise the preverbial PU in a brewery ?. By the way Quiterie ,according to the H,field lads once Boro did exactly what I said they would do ,gazump us ,it took a few hours for them to seal the deal ,something BURKE couldn`t achieve in 8 frickin months .[/p][/quote]Tug, why didn't Bloom step in, he knew what we had offered and he knew what the reply was to our offer, he also knew that Boro were in the chase. Did we reach a point where we were not prepared to ffer more, Bloom wouldn't sanction an increased bid? Burke may not be the best negotiator, I wouldn't know about that, but Bloom has the final say on all deals. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 21

2:44pm Tue 5 Aug 14

ringtone says...

duncan 74 wrote:
Yes it is very disappointing but I think it's important to consider the location of our club. When you travel in the Huddersfield area of the country every sign post is a football league club. If Clayton has a young family then we are automatically up against it if he wants to keep an element of stability in his family life, schools etc. If it was a straight choice between the two clubs without the location issue I like to think that we would win every time. I have always thought we should target players from the London clubs more because then the distance isn't such an issue. I might be way off the mark with this but I think it's a point that needs to be considered more. The biggest upset is that we all thought that there would be three signings this week and it may not be the case.
Here they come, Burk's little trolls.
[quote][p][bold]duncan 74[/bold] wrote: Yes it is very disappointing but I think it's important to consider the location of our club. When you travel in the Huddersfield area of the country every sign post is a football league club. If Clayton has a young family then we are automatically up against it if he wants to keep an element of stability in his family life, schools etc. If it was a straight choice between the two clubs without the location issue I like to think that we would win every time. I have always thought we should target players from the London clubs more because then the distance isn't such an issue. I might be way off the mark with this but I think it's a point that needs to be considered more. The biggest upset is that we all thought that there would be three signings this week and it may not be the case.[/p][/quote]Here they come, Burk's little trolls. ringtone
  • Score: -12

2:44pm Tue 5 Aug 14

don't wanna do it like that says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Mark Dixon wrote:
I live in Somerset, does anyone know if the meeting tonight is live on the local radio??
as I understand it yes it is on the radio, no idea which station though
BBC SUSSEX and
http://www.seagulls.
co.uk/news/article/b
bc-sussex-pre-season
-fans-forum-1766467.
aspx
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mark Dixon[/bold] wrote: I live in Somerset, does anyone know if the meeting tonight is live on the local radio??[/p][/quote]as I understand it yes it is on the radio, no idea which station though[/p][/quote]BBC SUSSEX and http://www.seagulls. co.uk/news/article/b bc-sussex-pre-season -fans-forum-1766467. aspx don't wanna do it like that
  • Score: 0

2:45pm Tue 5 Aug 14

brightonup says...

It is never a good idea to publicise interest in a player and then NOT get him. It is dispiriting for fans, and no doubt players already at the club.
This is arguably worse because it was presented as a done deal! I am sorry for those involved because it arose from desperation due to inactivity by the club.
It will be even more important for the fans to play a part in making the season a success!
It is never a good idea to publicise interest in a player and then NOT get him. It is dispiriting for fans, and no doubt players already at the club. This is arguably worse because it was presented as a done deal! I am sorry for those involved because it arose from desperation due to inactivity by the club. It will be even more important for the fans to play a part in making the season a success! brightonup
  • Score: 12

2:45pm Tue 5 Aug 14

albionfan33 says...

duncan 74 wrote:
Yes it is very disappointing but I think it's important to consider the location of our club. When you travel in the Huddersfield area of the country every sign post is a football league club. If Clayton has a young family then we are automatically up against it if he wants to keep an element of stability in his family life, schools etc. If it was a straight choice between the two clubs without the location issue I like to think that we would win every time. I have always thought we should target players from the London clubs more because then the distance isn't such an issue. I might be way off the mark with this but I think it's a point that needs to be considered more. The biggest upset is that we all thought that there would be three signings this week and it may not be the case.
of course its a consideration. but the fact is he was made our top target if all the stops wasnt pulled out to get him what hope do we have to get anyone else. i have defended burke in the past but this is now past defendable i am really getting pi ssed of with this all
[quote][p][bold]duncan 74[/bold] wrote: Yes it is very disappointing but I think it's important to consider the location of our club. When you travel in the Huddersfield area of the country every sign post is a football league club. If Clayton has a young family then we are automatically up against it if he wants to keep an element of stability in his family life, schools etc. If it was a straight choice between the two clubs without the location issue I like to think that we would win every time. I have always thought we should target players from the London clubs more because then the distance isn't such an issue. I might be way off the mark with this but I think it's a point that needs to be considered more. The biggest upset is that we all thought that there would be three signings this week and it may not be the case.[/p][/quote]of course its a consideration. but the fact is he was made our top target if all the stops wasnt pulled out to get him what hope do we have to get anyone else. i have defended burke in the past but this is now past defendable i am really getting pi ssed of with this all albionfan33
  • Score: 35

2:48pm Tue 5 Aug 14

duncan 74 says...

ringtone wrote:
duncan 74 wrote:
Yes it is very disappointing but I think it's important to consider the location of our club. When you travel in the Huddersfield area of the country every sign post is a football league club. If Clayton has a young family then we are automatically up against it if he wants to keep an element of stability in his family life, schools etc. If it was a straight choice between the two clubs without the location issue I like to think that we would win every time. I have always thought we should target players from the London clubs more because then the distance isn't such an issue. I might be way off the mark with this but I think it's a point that needs to be considered more. The biggest upset is that we all thought that there would be three signings this week and it may not be the case.
Here they come, Burk's little trolls.
No not Burkes little trolls at all. Just posting my opinion.
[quote][p][bold]ringtone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]duncan 74[/bold] wrote: Yes it is very disappointing but I think it's important to consider the location of our club. When you travel in the Huddersfield area of the country every sign post is a football league club. If Clayton has a young family then we are automatically up against it if he wants to keep an element of stability in his family life, schools etc. If it was a straight choice between the two clubs without the location issue I like to think that we would win every time. I have always thought we should target players from the London clubs more because then the distance isn't such an issue. I might be way off the mark with this but I think it's a point that needs to be considered more. The biggest upset is that we all thought that there would be three signings this week and it may not be the case.[/p][/quote]Here they come, Burk's little trolls.[/p][/quote]No not Burkes little trolls at all. Just posting my opinion. duncan 74
  • Score: 12

2:49pm Tue 5 Aug 14

greenwichelite says...

In other news naylor apologises for misleading fans. Oh wait a minute...
In other news naylor apologises for misleading fans. Oh wait a minute... greenwichelite
  • Score: 10

2:51pm Tue 5 Aug 14

SMF20 says...

What an absolute shambles....

The club is so on the boil with anything on the commercial side of life. The on pitch side of the business (its what we've become) is a complete joke though.
We BHAFOOTBALL CLUB and first and foremost we SHOULD be a football team. Without the playing side of this club there will be no need for the commercial company as it has become.

Burke gets a lot of criticism for not closing deals but without knowing the full story we will never though if it is actually him that is making a mess of this.
I hate to say this and will welcome the thumbs down but at the end of the day it is the main man, TB, that decides who joins and who goes as he has the sign off. It is Tony who sets the budgets and targets.
Tony wants us to abide by the FFP rules and rightly so. I wouldn't want to dip in to my own pocket for £14m a season either.
There has to be a balance though and sadly at present we are failing terribly in this area.
If as suggested, we are 4000 season ticket holders down then we are looking at lost income in to the millions.
We absolutely must get the playing side right. Without it there will be no need for fancy stadiums, training ground and Hotels.

I actually believe that the club is doing its best. I just think as a certain manager once said that "We have hit the ceiling". Its a shame but looks a good shout.

Bitterly disappointed with yet another let down. See you Saturday

UTA
What an absolute shambles.... The club is so on the boil with anything on the commercial side of life. The on pitch side of the business (its what we've become) is a complete joke though. We BHAFOOTBALL CLUB and first and foremost we SHOULD be a football team. Without the playing side of this club there will be no need for the commercial company as it has become. Burke gets a lot of criticism for not closing deals but without knowing the full story we will never though if it is actually him that is making a mess of this. I hate to say this and will welcome the thumbs down but at the end of the day it is the main man, TB, that decides who joins and who goes as he has the sign off. It is Tony who sets the budgets and targets. Tony wants us to abide by the FFP rules and rightly so. I wouldn't want to dip in to my own pocket for £14m a season either. There has to be a balance though and sadly at present we are failing terribly in this area. If as suggested, we are 4000 season ticket holders down then we are looking at lost income in to the millions. We absolutely must get the playing side right. Without it there will be no need for fancy stadiums, training ground and Hotels. I actually believe that the club is doing its best. I just think as a certain manager once said that "We have hit the ceiling". Its a shame but looks a good shout. Bitterly disappointed with yet another let down. See you Saturday UTA SMF20
  • Score: 48

2:52pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Peteinblack says...

Wonder how long before SH realises the scale of the mistake he's made in choosing to our manager, and how limited or ambitions appear to have become; wouldn't surprise me if he walked long before the end of this season.

'Premiership ready'? - the club couldn't sign an autograph.
Wonder how long before SH realises the scale of the mistake he's made in choosing to our manager, and how limited or ambitions appear to have become; wouldn't surprise me if he walked long before the end of this season. 'Premiership ready'? - the club couldn't sign an autograph. Peteinblack
  • Score: 33

2:52pm Tue 5 Aug 14

mark5 says...

I am sure there are further twists to come and this is not over yet. However, if we lose Clayton I reckon that there will be another option that appears from "stage right" that has not been spoken about. I am convinced that the "powers" will not risk the start of the season, without some decent additions., so I am expecting the unexpected! If I am wrong however, I will be joining the massed ranks of discontented souls in search of blood! Well something like that anyway..............
....................
..............! UTA!
I am sure there are further twists to come and this is not over yet. However, if we lose Clayton I reckon that there will be another option that appears from "stage right" that has not been spoken about. I am convinced that the "powers" will not risk the start of the season, without some decent additions., so I am expecting the unexpected! If I am wrong however, I will be joining the massed ranks of discontented souls in search of blood! Well something like that anyway.............. .................... ..............! UTA! mark5
  • Score: 29

2:53pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Relegated 2015 says...

Relegation this season. The only team worse than us is Blackpool. Don't worry though, Paul Barber will pick up his £250k bonus making the club no losses this season as we'll not spend a penny.

The season tickets will nose dive next season = less money for players and no players mean less season ticket holders. The club is heading in one direction and it isn't the way we like. Premier league ready?

Shall tune in tonight and listen to the 3 wise monkeys telling us the usual spin and ****.
Relegation this season. The only team worse than us is Blackpool. Don't worry though, Paul Barber will pick up his £250k bonus making the club no losses this season as we'll not spend a penny. The season tickets will nose dive next season = less money for players and no players mean less season ticket holders. The club is heading in one direction and it isn't the way we like. Premier league ready? Shall tune in tonight and listen to the 3 wise monkeys telling us the usual spin and ****. Relegated 2015
  • Score: 29

2:55pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Matthews1986 says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Mark Dixon wrote:
I live in Somerset, does anyone know if the meeting tonight is live on the local radio??
as I understand it yes it is on the radio, no idea which station though
It's on BBC Sussex
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mark Dixon[/bold] wrote: I live in Somerset, does anyone know if the meeting tonight is live on the local radio??[/p][/quote]as I understand it yes it is on the radio, no idea which station though[/p][/quote]It's on BBC Sussex Matthews1986
  • Score: 2

2:57pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Uckfield Seagull says...

What frustrates me is that on the back of the quotes regarding lack of transfer activity we are told that 3 players are set to sign for the Albion, lifting all our spirits then expectation.

NOW I FEEL IT WAS JUST A LOAD OF GARBAGE TO PLACATE THE ALBION FANS, WE DESERVE BETTER THAN MADE UP RUBBISH, THE TRANSFER POLICY OF THIS GREAT CLUB IS MAKING ME FEEL ILL. THIS IS THE MOST NEGATIVE POST I HAVE EVER MADE BUT I AM VERY DISULLUSIONED BY THE BOARD ON THIS, DAVID BURKE HAS MANY ANSWERS TO GIVE US
What frustrates me is that on the back of the quotes regarding lack of transfer activity we are told that 3 players are set to sign for the Albion, lifting all our spirits then expectation. NOW I FEEL IT WAS JUST A LOAD OF GARBAGE TO PLACATE THE ALBION FANS, WE DESERVE BETTER THAN MADE UP RUBBISH, THE TRANSFER POLICY OF THIS GREAT CLUB IS MAKING ME FEEL ILL. THIS IS THE MOST NEGATIVE POST I HAVE EVER MADE BUT I AM VERY DISULLUSIONED BY THE BOARD ON THIS, DAVID BURKE HAS MANY ANSWERS TO GIVE US Uckfield Seagull
  • Score: 34

2:58pm Tue 5 Aug 14

phil68 says...

"An Argus source in the North-East has confirmed Clayton is expected to sign for Boro this afternoon..."
Not all lost just yet, then...'the Argus source in N-East' may yet prove to be as cr*p and ill-informed as our Southern based Argus source, who had him signing for us just a few days ago...
"An Argus source in the North-East has confirmed Clayton is expected to sign for Boro this afternoon..." Not all lost just yet, then...'the Argus source in N-East' may yet prove to be as cr*p and ill-informed as our Southern based Argus source, who had him signing for us just a few days ago... phil68
  • Score: 14

2:58pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Joel'sGrandad says...

I don't know about hitting the ceiling.
We're barely above the skirting board at present! UTA
I don't know about hitting the ceiling. We're barely above the skirting board at present! UTA Joel'sGrandad
  • Score: 29

3:00pm Tue 5 Aug 14

taylord1977 says...

in one word ' joke'
in one word ' joke' taylord1977
  • Score: 17

3:03pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Conelli98 says...

mark5 wrote:
I am sure there are further twists to come and this is not over yet. However, if we lose Clayton I reckon that there will be another option that appears from "stage right" that has not been spoken about. I am convinced that the "powers" will not risk the start of the season, without some decent additions., so I am expecting the unexpected! If I am wrong however, I will be joining the massed ranks of discontented souls in search of blood! Well something like that anyway..............

....................

..............! UTA!
BLOODY HELL Mark5...I admire your optimism!... Right now I would rather read 'Naylor and Owen have been signed by the Friday Ad after Argus sacking' than any more tripe they serve up!!!
[quote][p][bold]mark5[/bold] wrote: I am sure there are further twists to come and this is not over yet. However, if we lose Clayton I reckon that there will be another option that appears from "stage right" that has not been spoken about. I am convinced that the "powers" will not risk the start of the season, without some decent additions., so I am expecting the unexpected! If I am wrong however, I will be joining the massed ranks of discontented souls in search of blood! Well something like that anyway.............. .................... ..............! UTA![/p][/quote]BLOODY HELL Mark5...I admire your optimism!... Right now I would rather read 'Naylor and Owen have been signed by the Friday Ad after Argus sacking' than any more tripe they serve up!!! Conelli98
  • Score: 15

3:06pm Tue 5 Aug 14

arc12 says...

I wanted to see us sign Clayton too but people need to stop getting caught up in so much ridiculous speculation - until a player signs on the dotted line then he's not our player. I didn't read much into the Argus headlines from Saturday as we all know how volatile the transfer market is. The club are obviously not prepared to break their pay structure which is why Clayton and others will go elsewhere and I suspect Ward will stay at Wolves to keep getting his £13k a week. Baldock looks extremely unlikely as Bristol are looking for around £4m for him, so I think we just have to accept the DS squad players will have to fill in much more than any of us thought. The truth hurts, but unfortunately that's just the way it is. Window shopping is all we are willing to do so it seems.
I wanted to see us sign Clayton too but people need to stop getting caught up in so much ridiculous speculation - until a player signs on the dotted line then he's not our player. I didn't read much into the Argus headlines from Saturday as we all know how volatile the transfer market is. The club are obviously not prepared to break their pay structure which is why Clayton and others will go elsewhere and I suspect Ward will stay at Wolves to keep getting his £13k a week. Baldock looks extremely unlikely as Bristol are looking for around £4m for him, so I think we just have to accept the DS squad players will have to fill in much more than any of us thought. The truth hurts, but unfortunately that's just the way it is. Window shopping is all we are willing to do so it seems. arc12
  • Score: 7

3:07pm Tue 5 Aug 14

daveyboy35 says...

I hope the powers that be get a proper hardcore grilling tonight!!!!
I hope the powers that be get a proper hardcore grilling tonight!!!! daveyboy35
  • Score: 13

3:10pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Mayfield sweeper says...

I think it's time we formed a break away club, Brighton and Hove AFC or something, all of us chip in what we can spare to get us up and running and into the Evostik league or wherever it is you start. Rent the Withdean as our home ground and try and get back into the league. We will be showing far more ambition than the suited bean counters in charge of the current albion set up. FC United of Manchester have shown the way forward.
I think it's time we formed a break away club, Brighton and Hove AFC or something, all of us chip in what we can spare to get us up and running and into the Evostik league or wherever it is you start. Rent the Withdean as our home ground and try and get back into the league. We will be showing far more ambition than the suited bean counters in charge of the current albion set up. FC United of Manchester have shown the way forward. Mayfield sweeper
  • Score: -17

3:14pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Tony the tiger eastbourne says...

We've got a new state of the art stadium and a £30 million pound training ground, yet we have trouble getting players to sign for us!! Something aint quite right at this club. Time to get it sorted Tony NOW!!!
We've got a new state of the art stadium and a £30 million pound training ground, yet we have trouble getting players to sign for us!! Something aint quite right at this club. Time to get it sorted Tony NOW!!! Tony the tiger eastbourne
  • Score: 39

3:15pm Tue 5 Aug 14

spaintospain says...

Never a dull moment with Brighton . They will use the fair play rule which no one else seems the care about
Never a dull moment with Brighton . They will use the fair play rule which no one else seems the care about spaintospain
  • Score: 28

3:17pm Tue 5 Aug 14

heshootshescores says...

phil68 wrote:
"An Argus source in the North-East has confirmed Clayton is expected to sign for Boro this afternoon..."
Not all lost just yet, then...'the Argus source in N-East' may yet prove to be as cr*p and ill-informed as our Southern based Argus source, who had him signing for us just a few days ago...
Read the Middlesbrough Gazette...it's a done deal. Seems Teesside is more attractive than the South Coast. Or could it be Boro were willing to go an inch further, unlike Brighton, as we have witnessed time and time again? Could have had Grabban for one million (he's now worth three) if we weren't so intransigent about our wage structure.

But don't worry, we saved a few grand for Barber's bonus (NOT).
[quote][p][bold]phil68[/bold] wrote: "An Argus source in the North-East has confirmed Clayton is expected to sign for Boro this afternoon..." Not all lost just yet, then...'the Argus source in N-East' may yet prove to be as cr*p and ill-informed as our Southern based Argus source, who had him signing for us just a few days ago...[/p][/quote]Read the Middlesbrough Gazette...it's a done deal. Seems Teesside is more attractive than the South Coast. Or could it be Boro were willing to go an inch further, unlike Brighton, as we have witnessed time and time again? Could have had Grabban for one million (he's now worth three) if we weren't so intransigent about our wage structure. But don't worry, we saved a few grand for Barber's bonus (NOT). heshootshescores
  • Score: 18

3:21pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Opppsss!!! says...

Well cannot say I am surprised, we had it last year and the same old springs to mind? So TB would you like to tell all the die hard supporters that came along to Gillingham and Withdean and have always been there why? we have no gumption or idea as to who is signing? when? and where from, who runs the club You or the puppets Burke & Barber, appears to me the money has gone to make up the fair play rule? so we now have to suffer a second rate season in a dog fight to stay in the championship!! refund anybody!!!
Well cannot say I am surprised, we had it last year and the same old springs to mind? So TB would you like to tell all the die hard supporters that came along to Gillingham and Withdean and have always been there why? we have no gumption or idea as to who is signing? when? and where from, who runs the club You or the puppets Burke & Barber, appears to me the money has gone to make up the fair play rule? so we now have to suffer a second rate season in a dog fight to stay in the championship!! refund anybody!!! Opppsss!!!
  • Score: 20

3:26pm Tue 5 Aug 14

unclealbertsbeard says...

As a season ticket holder for many years, I have always taken an interest in reading reports and comments on this site. This latest debacle has made me take the plunge and post my own comments. Clearly Andy Naylor is a has been journalist, who posts articles with almost no merit. On top of that, Burke & Barber are clearly not the right employees for the positions that they hold within BHAFC. Countless Millions of pounds recouped in selling our best players, and they are not capable of convincing out top targets to sign. Looking forward to opening game on Saturday, but think there is something clearly not right at the club. UTA....
As a season ticket holder for many years, I have always taken an interest in reading reports and comments on this site. This latest debacle has made me take the plunge and post my own comments. Clearly Andy Naylor is a has been journalist, who posts articles with almost no merit. On top of that, Burke & Barber are clearly not the right employees for the positions that they hold within BHAFC. Countless Millions of pounds recouped in selling our best players, and they are not capable of convincing out top targets to sign. Looking forward to opening game on Saturday, but think there is something clearly not right at the club. UTA.... unclealbertsbeard
  • Score: 34

3:27pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Max Ripple says...

A plea to those who are able to go tonight. Please please don't let them off the hook! I know there are people on here who will tell you to do otherwise. But these three haven't got a clue. Sami is being very badly let down. He'll be gone by Christmas IMO. I'll be listening closely on the wireless.
A plea to those who are able to go tonight. Please please don't let them off the hook! I know there are people on here who will tell you to do otherwise. But these three haven't got a clue. Sami is being very badly let down. He'll be gone by Christmas IMO. I'll be listening closely on the wireless. Max Ripple
  • Score: 25

3:28pm Tue 5 Aug 14

pjwilk says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Mark Dixon wrote:
I live in Somerset, does anyone know if the meeting tonight is live on the local radio??
as I understand it yes it is on the radio, no idea which station though
Will be a load of waffle anyway,dont waste your time.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mark Dixon[/bold] wrote: I live in Somerset, does anyone know if the meeting tonight is live on the local radio??[/p][/quote]as I understand it yes it is on the radio, no idea which station though[/p][/quote]Will be a load of waffle anyway,dont waste your time. pjwilk
  • Score: 1

3:28pm Tue 5 Aug 14

nottseagull says...

Finding it hard to remain positive. Despite the many things the club has got so right it seems to keep falling over on the key part of a football club .... the playing side. Just hope we don't get one of those last minute desperation signings (Stephen Dobbie ). Still hoping we sign Ward before Saturday. What was it Micky said? Oh yeah keep the faith UTA
Finding it hard to remain positive. Despite the many things the club has got so right it seems to keep falling over on the key part of a football club .... the playing side. Just hope we don't get one of those last minute desperation signings (Stephen Dobbie ). Still hoping we sign Ward before Saturday. What was it Micky said? Oh yeah keep the faith UTA nottseagull
  • Score: 6

3:29pm Tue 5 Aug 14

4everaseagull says...

What on earth is going on with our transfer policy. I appreciate that none of us really know what it going on behind closed doors with our transfer dealings and yes I agree it should all be done privately with nothing announced until a deal is done. What baffles me is why oh why are the Argus telling us on Saturday that Clayton, Baldock and Ward are EXPECTED to sign. Where are they getting their information from. As previous posters have said why build up that positivity amongst fans and then we get told today Clayton looks like going to Boro. I agree with an earlier post it looks like despite get £8m for Ulloa and its speculated £3m for Bridcutt in January we are not prepared to pay £1.5m rising to £2m for one of our main targets. Unless the agent has tipped the club off about Clayton's wage demands how do the club know until an offer is accepted and we can start negotiating with the player. I have tried to remain positive so far in this transfer window despite reading all the negative posts as I felt sure the powers that be would see that we have a competitive squad and one that would challenge again. I have to admit I am not so sure now. Still hopeful we will get some quality in and tonight's forum should be good to listen to!
What on earth is going on with our transfer policy. I appreciate that none of us really know what it going on behind closed doors with our transfer dealings and yes I agree it should all be done privately with nothing announced until a deal is done. What baffles me is why oh why are the Argus telling us on Saturday that Clayton, Baldock and Ward are EXPECTED to sign. Where are they getting their information from. As previous posters have said why build up that positivity amongst fans and then we get told today Clayton looks like going to Boro. I agree with an earlier post it looks like despite get £8m for Ulloa and its speculated £3m for Bridcutt in January we are not prepared to pay £1.5m rising to £2m for one of our main targets. Unless the agent has tipped the club off about Clayton's wage demands how do the club know until an offer is accepted and we can start negotiating with the player. I have tried to remain positive so far in this transfer window despite reading all the negative posts as I felt sure the powers that be would see that we have a competitive squad and one that would challenge again. I have to admit I am not so sure now. Still hopeful we will get some quality in and tonight's forum should be good to listen to! 4everaseagull
  • Score: 15

3:29pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Tommy11 says...

I didn’t want to do this, but I can’t sit tight anymore. We are an absolute disgrace in regards to recruiting players, and also staff.

I have been saying for ages now, but the club is not being run well. It’s all commercial, commercial, commercial and Barber is the man behind this. I’m also starting to lose faith in Tony Bloom, which is very hard for me to say as I know it’s all down to him in regards to our stadium. But we do need to shake of that attitude – we can’t keep kissing his a**e forever. After all, he is the man who NEEDS to make changes, it’s obvious and we can’t do anything until he does.

This whole recruitment & manager nonsense system is simply not working. The players hate it, the manager hates it & the fans hate it. It needs to be abolished before it abolishes us! New players and staff are coming in and thinking “what the hell is going on here? Who is charge?” I am certain of this. We need to also stop employing these ‘coach-type’ managers. They can’t handle it. I feel sorry for Hyppia, but he must have known what the situation is. Unless Barber and Bloom just lye through their teeth during the interview – which actually would not surprise me now. I’m sorry to say that Hyppia is totally and utterly out of his depth, it’s not his fault – but he will get found out this season. He simply will not have the experience to deal with the farce going on upstairs.

We need to start to act on this. The signs were there last season, but I think we were still running on the last remaining fumes of the Gus Bus, and somehow it managed to creep us into the Play Offs. Not this season I’m afraid.

Also – what is it with the whole ‘JFC Bonanza’??? everywhere I look he is being posted about. Modelling the new shirt, in the team, slapping a***es when we go a goal down – like were building a team round him? I really hope this is not the case. The lad maybe England under 21’s, but the let’s not get carried away. He clearly is not strong, quick, aggressive enough to take us up. I actually don’t know what he does, apart from marking space and avoiding the ball – or passing it backwards.

WAKE UP ALBION!!
I didn’t want to do this, but I can’t sit tight anymore. We are an absolute disgrace in regards to recruiting players, and also staff. I have been saying for ages now, but the club is not being run well. It’s all commercial, commercial, commercial and Barber is the man behind this. I’m also starting to lose faith in Tony Bloom, which is very hard for me to say as I know it’s all down to him in regards to our stadium. But we do need to shake of that attitude – we can’t keep kissing his a**e forever. After all, he is the man who NEEDS to make changes, it’s obvious and we can’t do anything until he does. This whole recruitment & manager nonsense system is simply not working. The players hate it, the manager hates it & the fans hate it. It needs to be abolished before it abolishes us! New players and staff are coming in and thinking “what the hell is going on here? Who is charge?” I am certain of this. We need to also stop employing these ‘coach-type’ managers. They can’t handle it. I feel sorry for Hyppia, but he must have known what the situation is. Unless Barber and Bloom just lye through their teeth during the interview – which actually would not surprise me now. I’m sorry to say that Hyppia is totally and utterly out of his depth, it’s not his fault – but he will get found out this season. He simply will not have the experience to deal with the farce going on upstairs. We need to start to act on this. The signs were there last season, but I think we were still running on the last remaining fumes of the Gus Bus, and somehow it managed to creep us into the Play Offs. Not this season I’m afraid. Also – what is it with the whole ‘JFC Bonanza’??? everywhere I look he is being posted about. Modelling the new shirt, in the team, slapping a***es when we go a goal down – like were building a team round him? I really hope this is not the case. The lad maybe England under 21’s, but the let’s not get carried away. He clearly is not strong, quick, aggressive enough to take us up. I actually don’t know what he does, apart from marking space and avoiding the ball – or passing it backwards. WAKE UP ALBION!! Tommy11
  • Score: 37

3:30pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Grendel says...

Mid table if we're lucky. "Trio set to sign my arse". Time to eat humble pie, Mr Naylor.
Mid table if we're lucky. "Trio set to sign my arse". Time to eat humble pie, Mr Naylor. Grendel
  • Score: 17

3:34pm Tue 5 Aug 14

tug509 says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
tug509 wrote:
Well I wonder who is the biggest BURKE of the lot ,AN for stringing us along ,us for believing him or that pr@t of a DOF who couldn`t organise the preverbial PU in a brewery ?.
By the way Quiterie ,according to the H,field lads once Boro did exactly what I said they would do ,gazump us ,it took a few hours for them to seal the deal ,something BURKE couldn`t achieve in 8 frickin months .
Tug, why didn't Bloom step in, he knew what we had offered and he knew what the reply was to our offer, he also knew that Boro were in the chase. Did we reach a point where we were not prepared to ffer more, Bloom wouldn't sanction an increased bid? Burke may not be the best negotiator, I wouldn't know about that, but Bloom has the final say on all deals.
I would suggest that TB ,after stupidly employing a DOF felt obliged to show enough faith not to interfere ,although that might change now . But don't forget TB is a businessman not a football manager ,that is why I always stir my boiling hot tea with a spoon and not my finger ,because I would get burnt ,always use the correct tool for the job ,not a complete tool to mess it up .
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: Well I wonder who is the biggest BURKE of the lot ,AN for stringing us along ,us for believing him or that pr@t of a DOF who couldn`t organise the preverbial PU in a brewery ?. By the way Quiterie ,according to the H,field lads once Boro did exactly what I said they would do ,gazump us ,it took a few hours for them to seal the deal ,something BURKE couldn`t achieve in 8 frickin months .[/p][/quote]Tug, why didn't Bloom step in, he knew what we had offered and he knew what the reply was to our offer, he also knew that Boro were in the chase. Did we reach a point where we were not prepared to ffer more, Bloom wouldn't sanction an increased bid? Burke may not be the best negotiator, I wouldn't know about that, but Bloom has the final say on all deals.[/p][/quote]I would suggest that TB ,after stupidly employing a DOF felt obliged to show enough faith not to interfere ,although that might change now . But don't forget TB is a businessman not a football manager ,that is why I always stir my boiling hot tea with a spoon and not my finger ,because I would get burnt ,always use the correct tool for the job ,not a complete tool to mess it up . tug509
  • Score: 18

3:34pm Tue 5 Aug 14

VegasSeagull says...

The forum tonight is hardly worth holding. In the light of a top target going elsewhere for a price that Brighton should have been able to better, the questions, unless edited, will all be about our lack of signings, and the answers will all be the same. There arn't any real questions to put to Hyypia, other than ones that will possibly embarrass him. The man has told us that he needs quality recruits and he simply hasn't got them.

I would rather that the panel stay at the Amex and focus on nothing other than getting new players, no forum distractions.
The forum tonight is hardly worth holding. In the light of a top target going elsewhere for a price that Brighton should have been able to better, the questions, unless edited, will all be about our lack of signings, and the answers will all be the same. There arn't any real questions to put to Hyypia, other than ones that will possibly embarrass him. The man has told us that he needs quality recruits and he simply hasn't got them. I would rather that the panel stay at the Amex and focus on nothing other than getting new players, no forum distractions. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 11

3:35pm Tue 5 Aug 14

lighteninglee says...

Another transfer target gone else where. Sami must be on the back of his piece of a4 for potential transfers now. Just under 4 days till kick off and can anyone say we have actually improved the team. I think not we have not even covered the players that we released let alone improved the squad. O well chin up a miracle May happen yet...
Another transfer target gone else where. Sami must be on the back of his piece of a4 for potential transfers now. Just under 4 days till kick off and can anyone say we have actually improved the team. I think not we have not even covered the players that we released let alone improved the squad. O well chin up a miracle May happen yet... lighteninglee
  • Score: 3

3:41pm Tue 5 Aug 14

pablobrowno says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
The forum tonight is hardly worth holding. In the light of a top target going elsewhere for a price that Brighton should have been able to better, the questions, unless edited, will all be about our lack of signings, and the answers will all be the same. There arn't any real questions to put to Hyypia, other than ones that will possibly embarrass him. The man has told us that he needs quality recruits and he simply hasn't got them.

I would rather that the panel stay at the Amex and focus on nothing other than getting new players, no forum distractions.
Fair comment Vegas.

In Naylor et al's defence the Argus was not the only source claiming those three signings were to be made, Sky Sports (rarely wrong) published that we were very close to signing Clayton and Talk Sport's The Moose tweeted today that we are expected to sign those three and that he has independent sources. Come to think of it The Moose is probably Andy Naylor's source!!!
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: The forum tonight is hardly worth holding. In the light of a top target going elsewhere for a price that Brighton should have been able to better, the questions, unless edited, will all be about our lack of signings, and the answers will all be the same. There arn't any real questions to put to Hyypia, other than ones that will possibly embarrass him. The man has told us that he needs quality recruits and he simply hasn't got them. I would rather that the panel stay at the Amex and focus on nothing other than getting new players, no forum distractions.[/p][/quote]Fair comment Vegas. In Naylor et al's defence the Argus was not the only source claiming those three signings were to be made, Sky Sports (rarely wrong) published that we were very close to signing Clayton and Talk Sport's The Moose tweeted today that we are expected to sign those three and that he has independent sources. Come to think of it The Moose is probably Andy Naylor's source!!! pablobrowno
  • Score: 5

3:46pm Tue 5 Aug 14

albionbloke says...

Conelli98 wrote:
Naylor and Owen, Why feed us tripe over the weekend?
This paper and these 2 so-called journalists combine to make a pretty pathetic source for our Albion news. Once again, their credibility takes another hit.
[quote][p][bold]Conelli98[/bold] wrote: Naylor and Owen, Why feed us tripe over the weekend?[/p][/quote]This paper and these 2 so-called journalists combine to make a pretty pathetic source for our Albion news. Once again, their credibility takes another hit. albionbloke
  • Score: 28

3:47pm Tue 5 Aug 14

heshootshescores says...

Gus Poyet, Oscar Garcia, Sammy Lee, Leonardo Ulloa, Lewis Grabban, Adam Clayton...the list of those not wanting to be by the seaside is growing.

Most probably, it's all about the money – what isn't in football these days? – but it does suggest something is very wrong with the way our club is being run.

And just remember, despite the fantastic support we have received from our benefactor, Tony Bloom, it is still OUR club. The fans remain the only constant.
Gus Poyet, Oscar Garcia, Sammy Lee, Leonardo Ulloa, Lewis Grabban, Adam Clayton...the list of those not wanting to be by the seaside is growing. Most probably, it's all about the money – what isn't in football these days? – but it does suggest something is very wrong with the way our club is being run. And just remember, despite the fantastic support we have received from our benefactor, Tony Bloom, it is still OUR club. The fans remain the only constant. heshootshescores
  • Score: 10

3:47pm Tue 5 Aug 14

david59 says...

so where's the ambition Mr bloom? or are we going to see another manager leave due to the lack of commitment to buying better players!!!!
so where's the ambition Mr bloom? or are we going to see another manager leave due to the lack of commitment to buying better players!!!! david59
  • Score: 23

3:51pm Tue 5 Aug 14

WisdomSpeaks says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Mark Dixon wrote:
I live in Somerset, does anyone know if the meeting tonight is live on the local radio??
as I understand it yes it is on the radio, no idea which station though
It's being screened live on Seagulls Player so all can see all the faces, body language.......very important as proved by NLP that 60-70% of true communication is non-verbal!

I refuse to accept that this latest 'set back' re Clayton will not cause Tony Bloom to look at his recruitment team very closely otherwise people will assume he really is waiting for a willing buyer.

It took his uncle a long long time to recognize what Archer/Bellotti were up to as he stayed loyal to them right to the bitter end when the whole world knew what their game was.

I sincerely hope this isn't a family pattern repeating!
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mark Dixon[/bold] wrote: I live in Somerset, does anyone know if the meeting tonight is live on the local radio??[/p][/quote]as I understand it yes it is on the radio, no idea which station though[/p][/quote]It's being screened live on Seagulls Player so all can see all the faces, body language.......very important as proved by NLP that 60-70% of true communication is non-verbal! I refuse to accept that this latest 'set back' re Clayton will not cause Tony Bloom to look at his recruitment team very closely otherwise people will assume he really is waiting for a willing buyer. It took his uncle a long long time to recognize what Archer/Bellotti were up to as he stayed loyal to them right to the bitter end when the whole world knew what their game was. I sincerely hope this isn't a family pattern repeating! WisdomSpeaks
  • Score: 11

3:57pm Tue 5 Aug 14

wrighty2908 says...

JeffLomer wrote:
Moving to Boro for Clayton makes sense to him and his family, he can either commute where he lives now, or move to the exclusive estate at wynyards where a lot off footballers live, ten mins from training!!

Shame though I rate Clayton, we keep looking and hoping!!
Up the Albion!!
Totally agree its up to the player where he wants to play and if his family want to stay in the North East of England well thats that. How do all you disgruntled fans know that the club aren't pulling out all the stops to try and get the players they want or would you be happy just signing any old player. TB has done an amazing job since he took the club on an state of the art stadium a world class training academy abd none of this would have been possible without TB's money and on the subject of Bridcutt and Ulloa they both wanted to leave and Ulloa's transfer timing
[quote][p][bold]JeffLomer[/bold] wrote: Moving to Boro for Clayton makes sense to him and his family, he can either commute where he lives now, or move to the exclusive estate at wynyards where a lot off footballers live, ten mins from training!! Shame though I rate Clayton, we keep looking and hoping!! Up the Albion!![/p][/quote]Totally agree its up to the player where he wants to play and if his family want to stay in the North East of England well thats that. How do all you disgruntled fans know that the club aren't pulling out all the stops to try and get the players they want or would you be happy just signing any old player. TB has done an amazing job since he took the club on an state of the art stadium a world class training academy abd none of this would have been possible without TB's money and on the subject of Bridcutt and Ulloa they both wanted to leave and Ulloa's transfer timing wrighty2908
  • Score: 3

3:58pm Tue 5 Aug 14

ballantrrae says...

Mark Dixon wrote:
I live in Somerset, does anyone know if the meeting tonight is live on the local radio??
Mark you should be able to listen on-line via the BBC Sussex (Radio) website. I live in London and also have the same problem as you. Good luck
Incidentally I don't think one can blame Andy Naylor over his '3 joining' report as that looked as if it came from a source close to the club.
Really feel for Hyypia who must seriously be wondering whether Burke and his team can consistently deliver the signings he needs. I would be most surprised if SH wasn't expressing his concerns to TB
Too many targets not being signed. As others have said first Grabban and now Clayton (and possibly Baldock).
Tonight's Fans Forum should be 'lively' and I am certain that TB will not fail to learn how the fans feel.
Time is running out but it is still possible to get the players in that SH wants. Onwards and Upwads
[quote][p][bold]Mark Dixon[/bold] wrote: I live in Somerset, does anyone know if the meeting tonight is live on the local radio??[/p][/quote]Mark you should be able to listen on-line via the BBC Sussex (Radio) website. I live in London and also have the same problem as you. Good luck Incidentally I don't think one can blame Andy Naylor over his '3 joining' report as that looked as if it came from a source close to the club. Really feel for Hyypia who must seriously be wondering whether Burke and his team can consistently deliver the signings he needs. I would be most surprised if SH wasn't expressing his concerns to TB Too many targets not being signed. As others have said first Grabban and now Clayton (and possibly Baldock). Tonight's Fans Forum should be 'lively' and I am certain that TB will not fail to learn how the fans feel. Time is running out but it is still possible to get the players in that SH wants. Onwards and Upwads ballantrrae
  • Score: 6

3:59pm Tue 5 Aug 14

SeagullOverSelsey says...

"Trio set to sign?" Is it now "double set to sign ?" Then later on "single set to sign?" Then later on "none set to sign ?"!!
Very poor journalism or whatever one likes to call it on the part of Mr.Naylor.The only possible tiny crumb of comfort COULD be that we and Boro offered the same deals but Clayton preferred less of an uproot for family reasons and opted for them?
We will not know unless revelations are made tonight but as with most other supporters I am becoming very disillusioned but hope something positive rears it's head but let's not hold our breath!
"Trio set to sign?" Is it now "double set to sign ?" Then later on "single set to sign?" Then later on "none set to sign ?"!! Very poor journalism or whatever one likes to call it on the part of Mr.Naylor.The only possible tiny crumb of comfort COULD be that we and Boro offered the same deals but Clayton preferred less of an uproot for family reasons and opted for them? We will not know unless revelations are made tonight but as with most other supporters I am becoming very disillusioned but hope something positive rears it's head but let's not hold our breath! SeagullOverSelsey
  • Score: 3

4:04pm Tue 5 Aug 14

ballantrrae says...

ringtone wrote:
Look I know everyone is disappointed.

But at least we got Lewes Dunk signed up for the next FOUR years.
Quite right Ringtone. I just guess it's more straight forward signing a player who is already at the club.
[quote][p][bold]ringtone[/bold] wrote: Look I know everyone is disappointed. But at least we got Lewes Dunk signed up for the next FOUR years.[/p][/quote]Quite right Ringtone. I just guess it's more straight forward signing a player who is already at the club. ballantrrae
  • Score: 4

4:04pm Tue 5 Aug 14

surreyseagull says...

Exceptionally disappointed.
I really don't know what is the matter with the club - is there something "up" behind the scenes or are we just not attractive enough ?
I agree that we have to adhere to FFP - but is everyone else in this division doing so ?
I'm aware that we now have the academy and that this should produce players for both BHA and to be sold on but that's probably a year or so away from fruition and we need players now to hold our own in the Championship if not to get us up to the next level.
Although the fans want to hear "news" I really think that the Argus should not speculate about deals until they are done.
But going back to Clayton which is where this all started why on earth could we not have outbid Boro' ? Perhaps, as suggested above he just didn't want to move south - could be as simple as that.
Perhaps it's all a smokescreen and three completely different players will be unveiled tonight . . .
Sorry this is just a random selection of thoughts that's going round my head at the moment and doesn't really hold together
Exceptionally disappointed. I really don't know what is the matter with the club - is there something "up" behind the scenes or are we just not attractive enough ? I agree that we have to adhere to FFP - but is everyone else in this division doing so ? I'm aware that we now have the academy and that this should produce players for both BHA and to be sold on but that's probably a year or so away from fruition and we need players now to hold our own in the Championship if not to get us up to the next level. Although the fans want to hear "news" I really think that the Argus should not speculate about deals until they are done. But going back to Clayton which is where this all started why on earth could we not have outbid Boro' ? Perhaps, as suggested above he just didn't want to move south - could be as simple as that. Perhaps it's all a smokescreen and three completely different players will be unveiled tonight . . . Sorry this is just a random selection of thoughts that's going round my head at the moment and doesn't really hold together surreyseagull
  • Score: 10

4:05pm Tue 5 Aug 14

wrighty2908 says...

wrighty2908 wrote:
JeffLomer wrote:
Moving to Boro for Clayton makes sense to him and his family, he can either commute where he lives now, or move to the exclusive estate at wynyards where a lot off footballers live, ten mins from training!!

Shame though I rate Clayton, we keep looking and hoping!!
Up the Albion!!
Totally agree its up to the player where he wants to play and if his family want to stay in the North East of England well thats that. How do all you disgruntled fans know that the club aren't pulling out all the stops to try and get the players they want or would you be happy just signing any old player. TB has done an amazing job since he took the club on an state of the art stadium a world class training academy abd none of this would have been possible without TB's money and on the subject of Bridcutt and Ulloa they both wanted to leave and Ulloa's transfer timing
Ulloa's transfer timing was never going to go down well with the fans. Dont forget the club are supposedly looking abroad for players and that can take quiet a considerable amount of time to conclude so whoever SH plays on Saturday just get behind them and cheer them on to three points UTA.
[quote][p][bold]wrighty2908[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JeffLomer[/bold] wrote: Moving to Boro for Clayton makes sense to him and his family, he can either commute where he lives now, or move to the exclusive estate at wynyards where a lot off footballers live, ten mins from training!! Shame though I rate Clayton, we keep looking and hoping!! Up the Albion!![/p][/quote]Totally agree its up to the player where he wants to play and if his family want to stay in the North East of England well thats that. How do all you disgruntled fans know that the club aren't pulling out all the stops to try and get the players they want or would you be happy just signing any old player. TB has done an amazing job since he took the club on an state of the art stadium a world class training academy abd none of this would have been possible without TB's money and on the subject of Bridcutt and Ulloa they both wanted to leave and Ulloa's transfer timing[/p][/quote]Ulloa's transfer timing was never going to go down well with the fans. Dont forget the club are supposedly looking abroad for players and that can take quiet a considerable amount of time to conclude so whoever SH plays on Saturday just get behind them and cheer them on to three points UTA. wrighty2908
  • Score: 3

4:05pm Tue 5 Aug 14

daveyboy35 says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
The forum tonight is hardly worth holding. In the light of a top target going elsewhere for a price that Brighton should have been able to better, the questions, unless edited, will all be about our lack of signings, and the answers will all be the same. There arn't any real questions to put to Hyypia, other than ones that will possibly embarrass him. The man has told us that he needs quality recruits and he simply hasn't got them.

I would rather that the panel stay at the Amex and focus on nothing other than getting new players, no forum distractions.
You can hear the answers now! " we can't talk about it whilst it's ongoing" they will be using that cop out all nite
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: The forum tonight is hardly worth holding. In the light of a top target going elsewhere for a price that Brighton should have been able to better, the questions, unless edited, will all be about our lack of signings, and the answers will all be the same. There arn't any real questions to put to Hyypia, other than ones that will possibly embarrass him. The man has told us that he needs quality recruits and he simply hasn't got them. I would rather that the panel stay at the Amex and focus on nothing other than getting new players, no forum distractions.[/p][/quote]You can hear the answers now! " we can't talk about it whilst it's ongoing" they will be using that cop out all nite daveyboy35
  • Score: 9

4:05pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Paulmarshall18 says...

20/1 to get relegated. Great value
20/1 to get relegated. Great value Paulmarshall18
  • Score: 9

4:06pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Beale32 says...

Shame about clayton, but did the club actually want him? Did we put a offer on the table for him. We all know the club do not say who their targets are. Was clayton really a target or just a rumour that took off.
we will never know.

hoping for some good news soon.
Shame about clayton, but did the club actually want him? Did we put a offer on the table for him. We all know the club do not say who their targets are. Was clayton really a target or just a rumour that took off. we will never know. hoping for some good news soon. Beale32
  • Score: 1

4:07pm Tue 5 Aug 14

don't wanna do it like that says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
The forum tonight is hardly worth holding. In the light of a top target going elsewhere for a price that Brighton should have been able to better, the questions, unless edited, will all be about our lack of signings, and the answers will all be the same. There arn't any real questions to put to Hyypia, other than ones that will possibly embarrass him. The man has told us that he needs quality recruits and he simply hasn't got them.

I would rather that the panel stay at the Amex and focus on nothing other than getting new players, no forum distractions.
How come now you do not have any faith in B.B.B.

Do you know the budget ?thought you wanted Albion TO SAVE GET TO THE FFP LIMIT.

The forum has been planned since ?.

Quality is who ?
Say it again TB wallet has a limit.
If i see a good game at the amex win,draw or lose ive had a good day.

Albion are not going backwards,but some think that mid-table is a disaster.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: The forum tonight is hardly worth holding. In the light of a top target going elsewhere for a price that Brighton should have been able to better, the questions, unless edited, will all be about our lack of signings, and the answers will all be the same. There arn't any real questions to put to Hyypia, other than ones that will possibly embarrass him. The man has told us that he needs quality recruits and he simply hasn't got them. I would rather that the panel stay at the Amex and focus on nothing other than getting new players, no forum distractions.[/p][/quote]How come now you do not have any faith in B.B.B. Do you know the budget ?thought you wanted Albion TO SAVE GET TO THE FFP LIMIT. The forum has been planned since ?. Quality is who ? Say it again TB wallet has a limit. If i see a good game at the amex win,draw or lose ive had a good day. Albion are not going backwards,but some think that mid-table is a disaster. don't wanna do it like that
  • Score: -5

4:08pm Tue 5 Aug 14

brianw52 says...

Conelli98 wrote:
Naylor and Owen, Why feed us tripe over the weekend?
I wonder where Ward and Baldock will go?
[quote][p][bold]Conelli98[/bold] wrote: Naylor and Owen, Why feed us tripe over the weekend?[/p][/quote]I wonder where Ward and Baldock will go? brianw52
  • Score: 4

4:09pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Kit Napier's Beard says...

Oh Dear what is going on, it's beginning to look like a drink in a brewery situation once again. Come on Albion get rid of the shackles and splash some cash - PLEASE
Oh Dear what is going on, it's beginning to look like a drink in a brewery situation once again. Come on Albion get rid of the shackles and splash some cash - PLEASE Kit Napier's Beard
  • Score: 5

4:12pm Tue 5 Aug 14

albionbloke says...

wrighty2908 wrote:
JeffLomer wrote:
Moving to Boro for Clayton makes sense to him and his family, he can either commute where he lives now, or move to the exclusive estate at wynyards where a lot off footballers live, ten mins from training!!

Shame though I rate Clayton, we keep looking and hoping!!
Up the Albion!!
Totally agree its up to the player where he wants to play and if his family want to stay in the North East of England well thats that. How do all you disgruntled fans know that the club aren't pulling out all the stops to try and get the players they want or would you be happy just signing any old player. TB has done an amazing job since he took the club on an state of the art stadium a world class training academy abd none of this would have been possible without TB's money and on the subject of Bridcutt and Ulloa they both wanted to leave and Ulloa's transfer timing
Agreed, TB has done an amazing job in building a great infrastructure....an
d for that I give him 10/10. As for the on-field part of the plan, I'm afraid I can only give him 1/10 as I believe in that area he is failing miserably. It boggles the mind to see such a great facility going to waste because of the obvious incompetence of the people that are running this club.
[quote][p][bold]wrighty2908[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JeffLomer[/bold] wrote: Moving to Boro for Clayton makes sense to him and his family, he can either commute where he lives now, or move to the exclusive estate at wynyards where a lot off footballers live, ten mins from training!! Shame though I rate Clayton, we keep looking and hoping!! Up the Albion!![/p][/quote]Totally agree its up to the player where he wants to play and if his family want to stay in the North East of England well thats that. How do all you disgruntled fans know that the club aren't pulling out all the stops to try and get the players they want or would you be happy just signing any old player. TB has done an amazing job since he took the club on an state of the art stadium a world class training academy abd none of this would have been possible without TB's money and on the subject of Bridcutt and Ulloa they both wanted to leave and Ulloa's transfer timing[/p][/quote]Agreed, TB has done an amazing job in building a great infrastructure....an d for that I give him 10/10. As for the on-field part of the plan, I'm afraid I can only give him 1/10 as I believe in that area he is failing miserably. It boggles the mind to see such a great facility going to waste because of the obvious incompetence of the people that are running this club. albionbloke
  • Score: 23

4:25pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Conelli98 says...

9hrs ago The club ask for a 'wall of colour' for Sat! All we get in return is a wall of silence, inflated prices on retail goods, crap service at said retail outlets and a New looking shop that says 'ONE CLUB ONE AMBITION'. If the playing squad was thought about as much as the commercial side of things we would be in the Prem. The club manages to sell itself to us fans but can't sell it to potential playing staff! There's your problem Mr Bloom, Barber and Burke. Simple really! THE NATIVES ARE GETTING RESTLESS...enjoy tonight 3b's, you brought it on yourselves!
9hrs ago The club ask for a 'wall of colour' for Sat! All we get in return is a wall of silence, inflated prices on retail goods, crap service at said retail outlets and a New looking shop that says 'ONE CLUB ONE AMBITION'. If the playing squad was thought about as much as the commercial side of things we would be in the Prem. The club manages to sell itself to us fans but can't sell it to potential playing staff! There's your problem Mr Bloom, Barber and Burke. Simple really! THE NATIVES ARE GETTING RESTLESS...enjoy tonight 3b's, you brought it on yourselves! Conelli98
  • Score: 14

4:29pm Tue 5 Aug 14

jarmonesque says...

Paulmarshall18 wrote:
20/1 to get relegated. Great value
Hundred quid we get in the playoffs. You lot ain't fans.
[quote][p][bold]Paulmarshall18[/bold] wrote: 20/1 to get relegated. Great value[/p][/quote]Hundred quid we get in the playoffs. You lot ain't fans. jarmonesque
  • Score: -4

4:32pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Claude Back says...

Tommy11 wrote:
I didn’t want to do this, but I can’t sit tight anymore. We are an absolute disgrace in regards to recruiting players, and also staff.

I have been saying for ages now, but the club is not being run well. It’s all commercial, commercial, commercial and Barber is the man behind this. I’m also starting to lose faith in Tony Bloom, which is very hard for me to say as I know it’s all down to him in regards to our stadium. But we do need to shake of that attitude – we can’t keep kissing his a**e forever. After all, he is the man who NEEDS to make changes, it’s obvious and we can’t do anything until he does.

This whole recruitment & manager nonsense system is simply not working. The players hate it, the manager hates it & the fans hate it. It needs to be abolished before it abolishes us! New players and staff are coming in and thinking “what the hell is going on here? Who is charge?” I am certain of this. We need to also stop employing these ‘coach-type’ managers. They can’t handle it. I feel sorry for Hyppia, but he must have known what the situation is. Unless Barber and Bloom just lye through their teeth during the interview – which actually would not surprise me now. I’m sorry to say that Hyppia is totally and utterly out of his depth, it’s not his fault – but he will get found out this season. He simply will not have the experience to deal with the farce going on upstairs.

We need to start to act on this. The signs were there last season, but I think we were still running on the last remaining fumes of the Gus Bus, and somehow it managed to creep us into the Play Offs. Not this season I’m afraid.

Also – what is it with the whole ‘JFC Bonanza’??? everywhere I look he is being posted about. Modelling the new shirt, in the team, slapping a***es when we go a goal down – like were building a team round him? I really hope this is not the case. The lad maybe England under 21’s, but the let’s not get carried away. He clearly is not strong, quick, aggressive enough to take us up. I actually don’t know what he does, apart from marking space and avoiding the ball – or passing it backwards.

WAKE UP ALBION!!
Brilliant ,Tommy. Could not have said it better myself. I agree totally. That is why we got Hyppia and not a top manager who would not ascribe to the stupid way the playing side is run.
[quote][p][bold]Tommy11[/bold] wrote: I didn’t want to do this, but I can’t sit tight anymore. We are an absolute disgrace in regards to recruiting players, and also staff. I have been saying for ages now, but the club is not being run well. It’s all commercial, commercial, commercial and Barber is the man behind this. I’m also starting to lose faith in Tony Bloom, which is very hard for me to say as I know it’s all down to him in regards to our stadium. But we do need to shake of that attitude – we can’t keep kissing his a**e forever. After all, he is the man who NEEDS to make changes, it’s obvious and we can’t do anything until he does. This whole recruitment & manager nonsense system is simply not working. The players hate it, the manager hates it & the fans hate it. It needs to be abolished before it abolishes us! New players and staff are coming in and thinking “what the hell is going on here? Who is charge?” I am certain of this. We need to also stop employing these ‘coach-type’ managers. They can’t handle it. I feel sorry for Hyppia, but he must have known what the situation is. Unless Barber and Bloom just lye through their teeth during the interview – which actually would not surprise me now. I’m sorry to say that Hyppia is totally and utterly out of his depth, it’s not his fault – but he will get found out this season. He simply will not have the experience to deal with the farce going on upstairs. We need to start to act on this. The signs were there last season, but I think we were still running on the last remaining fumes of the Gus Bus, and somehow it managed to creep us into the Play Offs. Not this season I’m afraid. Also – what is it with the whole ‘JFC Bonanza’??? everywhere I look he is being posted about. Modelling the new shirt, in the team, slapping a***es when we go a goal down – like were building a team round him? I really hope this is not the case. The lad maybe England under 21’s, but the let’s not get carried away. He clearly is not strong, quick, aggressive enough to take us up. I actually don’t know what he does, apart from marking space and avoiding the ball – or passing it backwards. WAKE UP ALBION!![/p][/quote]Brilliant ,Tommy. Could not have said it better myself. I agree totally. That is why we got Hyppia and not a top manager who would not ascribe to the stupid way the playing side is run. Claude Back
  • Score: 13

4:33pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

Beale32 wrote:
Shame about clayton, but did the club actually want him? Did we put a offer on the table for him. We all know the club do not say who their targets are. Was clayton really a target or just a rumour that took off.
we will never know.

hoping for some good news soon.
Agreed.

Did we bid for him at all? Did we bid for him but not rate him quite as highly as perhaps Middlesbrough do? Is it all moot anyway due to our location?

So many unknowns, but so many quick to point the finger of blame. No facts are available, and until then opinions will be clouded in pre-existing bias.

I've already been accused of being Dunk's dad and Burke's PR agent, but I'm just someone who doesn't jump the gun. I'm also someone who won't criticize another living soul without actual evidence for doing so, and even then I will think twice and think hard before casting a stone.
[quote][p][bold]Beale32[/bold] wrote: Shame about clayton, but did the club actually want him? Did we put a offer on the table for him. We all know the club do not say who their targets are. Was clayton really a target or just a rumour that took off. we will never know. hoping for some good news soon.[/p][/quote]Agreed. Did we bid for him at all? Did we bid for him but not rate him quite as highly as perhaps Middlesbrough do? Is it all moot anyway due to our location? So many unknowns, but so many quick to point the finger of blame. No facts are available, and until then opinions will be clouded in pre-existing bias. I've already been accused of being Dunk's dad and Burke's PR agent, but I'm just someone who doesn't jump the gun. I'm also someone who won't criticize another living soul without actual evidence for doing so, and even then I will think twice and think hard before casting a stone. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 9

4:34pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Piglet1 says...

It's a disappointing yes but calm down as there will be other targets who will be being pursued. We do not get Clayton but this leaves room for another.
I am sure the proximity was a major factor to Clayton and there is not much we can do about that, the strange thing is that the club and others thought he was coming. I guess he changed his mind, we all have the right to do that.
Don't panic and jump to conclusions that everything is in freefall. We are in a much better state than many of the teams in the Championship.
It's a disappointing yes but calm down as there will be other targets who will be being pursued. We do not get Clayton but this leaves room for another. I am sure the proximity was a major factor to Clayton and there is not much we can do about that, the strange thing is that the club and others thought he was coming. I guess he changed his mind, we all have the right to do that. Don't panic and jump to conclusions that everything is in freefall. We are in a much better state than many of the teams in the Championship. Piglet1
  • Score: 3

4:36pm Tue 5 Aug 14

VegasSeagull says...

Bloom's wallet has nothing to do with today's transfer targets, a tansfer budget would have been set within weeks of last season ending, and we have ALSO sold Ulloa. Today we have money available.

Continuously linking Barber to signing players is wrong, that is the task of Bloom and Burke. Barbers main role when it comes to transfers is getting the best price we can get when selling. His other roles include bringing in new sponsors and reducing off field costs. I think of the three B's, he is the only one actually getting any good results for the club.

Burke, yep he has had my support, and to a degree he still has it, and I say that because we don't know if it is Bloom that is the fly in the oinment when it comes to bids and wage offers, we do know that nobody comes in or goes out without Bloom signing off on the deal.

Bloom still has my support, but my thinking has shifted a little, and that is because we have not managed to bring in recruits quickly enough, as I said, nobody comes in without Bloom's approval of the deal we are offering. Did Burke want to offer more to get a target but was told no. There are some questions that Bloom needs to answer, answers we are very unlikely to get.

The yanks often say, 'the buck stops here,' well Bloom is the boss and no matter what the reason for us not getting new players, he, as the boss, has to accept that the buck stops at his office door. If Burke is not up to the task then he should have been replaced, only Bloom can do that. If the transfer budget number is set too low, Bloom should see that and act. If there is an underlying problem at the club, it's Bloom's task to not only understand that, but also to act to put things right.

Bloom, in most people's minds, is the best thing that has ever happened as far as the club goes, but being the most loved Chairman we have ever had doesn't let him off the hook.
Bloom's wallet has nothing to do with today's transfer targets, a tansfer budget would have been set within weeks of last season ending, and we have ALSO sold Ulloa. Today we have money available. Continuously linking Barber to signing players is wrong, that is the task of Bloom and Burke. Barbers main role when it comes to transfers is getting the best price we can get when selling. His other roles include bringing in new sponsors and reducing off field costs. I think of the three B's, he is the only one actually getting any good results for the club. Burke, yep he has had my support, and to a degree he still has it, and I say that because we don't know if it is Bloom that is the fly in the oinment when it comes to bids and wage offers, we do know that nobody comes in or goes out without Bloom signing off on the deal. Bloom still has my support, but my thinking has shifted a little, and that is because we have not managed to bring in recruits quickly enough, as I said, nobody comes in without Bloom's approval of the deal we are offering. Did Burke want to offer more to get a target but was told no. There are some questions that Bloom needs to answer, answers we are very unlikely to get. The yanks often say, 'the buck stops here,' well Bloom is the boss and no matter what the reason for us not getting new players, he, as the boss, has to accept that the buck stops at his office door. If Burke is not up to the task then he should have been replaced, only Bloom can do that. If the transfer budget number is set too low, Bloom should see that and act. If there is an underlying problem at the club, it's Bloom's task to not only understand that, but also to act to put things right. Bloom, in most people's minds, is the best thing that has ever happened as far as the club goes, but being the most loved Chairman we have ever had doesn't let him off the hook. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 10

4:38pm Tue 5 Aug 14

norris1922 says...

any chance we can have a local paper that prints facts not crap .who did burke run before woolworths
any chance we can have a local paper that prints facts not crap .who did burke run before woolworths norris1922
  • Score: 3

4:42pm Tue 5 Aug 14

dave from bexill says...

Piglet1 wrote:
It's a disappointing yes but calm down as there will be other targets who will be being pursued. We do not get Clayton but this leaves room for another.
I am sure the proximity was a major factor to Clayton and there is not much we can do about that, the strange thing is that the club and others thought he was coming. I guess he changed his mind, we all have the right to do that.
Don't panic and jump to conclusions that everything is in freefall. We are in a much better state than many of the teams in the Championship.
So why are you sure "proximity was a major factor".
[quote][p][bold]Piglet1[/bold] wrote: It's a disappointing yes but calm down as there will be other targets who will be being pursued. We do not get Clayton but this leaves room for another. I am sure the proximity was a major factor to Clayton and there is not much we can do about that, the strange thing is that the club and others thought he was coming. I guess he changed his mind, we all have the right to do that. Don't panic and jump to conclusions that everything is in freefall. We are in a much better state than many of the teams in the Championship.[/p][/quote]So why are you sure "proximity was a major factor". dave from bexill
  • Score: 5

4:42pm Tue 5 Aug 14

ballantrrae says...

Mayfield sweeper wrote:
I think it's time we formed a break away club, Brighton and Hove AFC or something, all of us chip in what we can spare to get us up and running and into the Evostik league or wherever it is you start. Rent the Withdean as our home ground and try and get back into the league. We will be showing far more ambition than the suited bean counters in charge of the current albion set up. FC United of Manchester have shown the way forward.
Mayfield a better example would be AFC Wimbledon who have done just that and are about to start their 3rd Season in the Football League.
[quote][p][bold]Mayfield sweeper[/bold] wrote: I think it's time we formed a break away club, Brighton and Hove AFC or something, all of us chip in what we can spare to get us up and running and into the Evostik league or wherever it is you start. Rent the Withdean as our home ground and try and get back into the league. We will be showing far more ambition than the suited bean counters in charge of the current albion set up. FC United of Manchester have shown the way forward.[/p][/quote]Mayfield a better example would be AFC Wimbledon who have done just that and are about to start their 3rd Season in the Football League. ballantrrae
  • Score: 3

4:42pm Tue 5 Aug 14

tug509 says...

jarmonesque wrote:
Paulmarshall18 wrote:
20/1 to get relegated. Great value
Hundred quid we get in the playoffs. You lot ain't fans.
Were not mindless sheep either ,you can bulls**t all of the people some of the time ,some of the people all of the time but ,this is JUST TAKING THE P155 ! .
[quote][p][bold]jarmonesque[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paulmarshall18[/bold] wrote: 20/1 to get relegated. Great value[/p][/quote]Hundred quid we get in the playoffs. You lot ain't fans.[/p][/quote]Were not mindless sheep either ,you can bulls**t all of the people some of the time ,some of the people all of the time but ,this is JUST TAKING THE P155 ! . tug509
  • Score: 7

4:42pm Tue 5 Aug 14

AlanDuffy says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Bloom's wallet has nothing to do with today's transfer targets, a tansfer budget would have been set within weeks of last season ending, and we have ALSO sold Ulloa. Today we have money available.

Continuously linking Barber to signing players is wrong, that is the task of Bloom and Burke. Barbers main role when it comes to transfers is getting the best price we can get when selling. His other roles include bringing in new sponsors and reducing off field costs. I think of the three B's, he is the only one actually getting any good results for the club.

Burke, yep he has had my support, and to a degree he still has it, and I say that because we don't know if it is Bloom that is the fly in the oinment when it comes to bids and wage offers, we do know that nobody comes in or goes out without Bloom signing off on the deal.

Bloom still has my support, but my thinking has shifted a little, and that is because we have not managed to bring in recruits quickly enough, as I said, nobody comes in without Bloom's approval of the deal we are offering. Did Burke want to offer more to get a target but was told no. There are some questions that Bloom needs to answer, answers we are very unlikely to get.

The yanks often say, 'the buck stops here,' well Bloom is the boss and no matter what the reason for us not getting new players, he, as the boss, has to accept that the buck stops at his office door. If Burke is not up to the task then he should have been replaced, only Bloom can do that. If the transfer budget number is set too low, Bloom should see that and act. If there is an underlying problem at the club, it's Bloom's task to not only understand that, but also to act to put things right.

Bloom, in most people's minds, is the best thing that has ever happened as far as the club goes, but being the most loved Chairman we have ever had doesn't let him off the hook.
There's a lot of anger and frustration being vented on here this afternoon, some of it justified and much of it directed at David Burke. I agree with you though, Vegas, TB will have given Burke a remit, which he must be meeting, otherwise presumably, he'd be replaced. And let's not forget, it was under Burke's auspices that we signed Ulloa and that wasn't a bad bit of business!
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Bloom's wallet has nothing to do with today's transfer targets, a tansfer budget would have been set within weeks of last season ending, and we have ALSO sold Ulloa. Today we have money available. Continuously linking Barber to signing players is wrong, that is the task of Bloom and Burke. Barbers main role when it comes to transfers is getting the best price we can get when selling. His other roles include bringing in new sponsors and reducing off field costs. I think of the three B's, he is the only one actually getting any good results for the club. Burke, yep he has had my support, and to a degree he still has it, and I say that because we don't know if it is Bloom that is the fly in the oinment when it comes to bids and wage offers, we do know that nobody comes in or goes out without Bloom signing off on the deal. Bloom still has my support, but my thinking has shifted a little, and that is because we have not managed to bring in recruits quickly enough, as I said, nobody comes in without Bloom's approval of the deal we are offering. Did Burke want to offer more to get a target but was told no. There are some questions that Bloom needs to answer, answers we are very unlikely to get. The yanks often say, 'the buck stops here,' well Bloom is the boss and no matter what the reason for us not getting new players, he, as the boss, has to accept that the buck stops at his office door. If Burke is not up to the task then he should have been replaced, only Bloom can do that. If the transfer budget number is set too low, Bloom should see that and act. If there is an underlying problem at the club, it's Bloom's task to not only understand that, but also to act to put things right. Bloom, in most people's minds, is the best thing that has ever happened as far as the club goes, but being the most loved Chairman we have ever had doesn't let him off the hook.[/p][/quote]There's a lot of anger and frustration being vented on here this afternoon, some of it justified and much of it directed at David Burke. I agree with you though, Vegas, TB will have given Burke a remit, which he must be meeting, otherwise presumably, he'd be replaced. And let's not forget, it was under Burke's auspices that we signed Ulloa and that wasn't a bad bit of business! AlanDuffy
  • Score: 5

4:43pm Tue 5 Aug 14

CantUseNSCatWork says...

Oh marvellous. 4 days until our first match of the season and we hear this sort of news. Almost glad I'm at work - I can imagine NSC is in meltdown right now :-)
Oh marvellous. 4 days until our first match of the season and we hear this sort of news. Almost glad I'm at work - I can imagine NSC is in meltdown right now :-) CantUseNSCatWork
  • Score: 6

4:43pm Tue 5 Aug 14

bbb1969 says...

For the price of a 2 bed flat in Brighton you can get a mansion in middlesborough. £10k per week goes a lot further up north.
For the price of a 2 bed flat in Brighton you can get a mansion in middlesborough. £10k per week goes a lot further up north. bbb1969
  • Score: 1

4:45pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Aussie Mick says...

duncan 74 wrote:
Yes it is very disappointing but I think it's important to consider the location of our club. When you travel in the Huddersfield area of the country every sign post is a football league club. If Clayton has a young family then we are automatically up against it if he wants to keep an element of stability in his family life, schools etc. If it was a straight choice between the two clubs without the location issue I like to think that we would win every time. I have always thought we should target players from the London clubs more because then the distance isn't such an issue. I might be way off the mark with this but I think it's a point that needs to be considered more. The biggest upset is that we all thought that there would be three signings this week and it may not be the case.
Spot on Duncan! Given similar a choice of similar wages and similar chances of promotion, a northerner is always going to prefer to stay up north because of family considerations. Even sometimes if that club has less chance of promotion. Its more about the wages these days than ambition for a lot of players despite what they say. We have a great club with a great future but TBs plan is a long term plan that won't leave the club where it was under Archer just a few years ago when we were fighting to stay in the league with no ground. The Bloom's have been part of the backbone of this club for years and TB is not about to let it regress to where we were then. That means working within your budget, investing in youth development and PATIENCE. It was only just over 4 years ago we survived the drop into League 2. Now we have been in the play offs for the Premier League 2 years in a row. There needs to be some perspective here. I do agree that we should be looking at London based players as we present a better offer to them. Having said that I am amazed that both Upson and Stockdale said they knew nothing of Brighton before they signed. We all know of the magnificent stadium and development facilities but we are clearly not doing enough to get the word out to players and their agents if two established premier league players don't even think about us. Back in 2000 Brighton Council launched a marketing campaign in London called 'The Place to Be'. It was aimed at attracting Londoners to the city. It was tremendously successful (depending upon your point of view) resulting in up to 70% of all house sales going to Londoners over one period of time and dramatically pushing up house prices in the city and making it a desirable place to visit. There are many negatives to this for locals that I'm not in favour of but the point is it successfully marketed Brighton and there are lessons to be learned here in marketing the club to players and agents. Last point: I wish I knew what Burke does. I can understand his involvement in the detail of contracts which frees Sami up to concentrate on the team, but he seems to decide on which players the club should sign and have too much involvement. Sami should decide and then Burke clinch the deal. He should but out. Seems like the tail wagging the dog.
[quote][p][bold]duncan 74[/bold] wrote: Yes it is very disappointing but I think it's important to consider the location of our club. When you travel in the Huddersfield area of the country every sign post is a football league club. If Clayton has a young family then we are automatically up against it if he wants to keep an element of stability in his family life, schools etc. If it was a straight choice between the two clubs without the location issue I like to think that we would win every time. I have always thought we should target players from the London clubs more because then the distance isn't such an issue. I might be way off the mark with this but I think it's a point that needs to be considered more. The biggest upset is that we all thought that there would be three signings this week and it may not be the case.[/p][/quote]Spot on Duncan! Given similar a choice of similar wages and similar chances of promotion, a northerner is always going to prefer to stay up north because of family considerations. Even sometimes if that club has less chance of promotion. Its more about the wages these days than ambition for a lot of players despite what they say. We have a great club with a great future but TBs plan is a long term plan that won't leave the club where it was under Archer just a few years ago when we were fighting to stay in the league with no ground. The Bloom's have been part of the backbone of this club for years and TB is not about to let it regress to where we were then. That means working within your budget, investing in youth development and PATIENCE. It was only just over 4 years ago we survived the drop into League 2. Now we have been in the play offs for the Premier League 2 years in a row. There needs to be some perspective here. I do agree that we should be looking at London based players as we present a better offer to them. Having said that I am amazed that both Upson and Stockdale said they knew nothing of Brighton before they signed. We all know of the magnificent stadium and development facilities but we are clearly not doing enough to get the word out to players and their agents if two established premier league players don't even think about us. Back in 2000 Brighton Council launched a marketing campaign in London called 'The Place to Be'. It was aimed at attracting Londoners to the city. It was tremendously successful (depending upon your point of view) resulting in up to 70% of all house sales going to Londoners over one period of time and dramatically pushing up house prices in the city and making it a desirable place to visit. There are many negatives to this for locals that I'm not in favour of but the point is it successfully marketed Brighton and there are lessons to be learned here in marketing the club to players and agents. Last point: I wish I knew what Burke does. I can understand his involvement in the detail of contracts which frees Sami up to concentrate on the team, but he seems to decide on which players the club should sign and have too much involvement. Sami should decide and then Burke clinch the deal. He should but out. Seems like the tail wagging the dog. Aussie Mick
  • Score: 3

4:46pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Relegated 2015 says...

Paulmarshall18 wrote:
20/1 to get relegated. Great value
I'm having £20 on that. It'll soften the blow.
[quote][p][bold]Paulmarshall18[/bold] wrote: 20/1 to get relegated. Great value[/p][/quote]I'm having £20 on that. It'll soften the blow. Relegated 2015
  • Score: 2

4:48pm Tue 5 Aug 14

dave from bexill says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Bloom's wallet has nothing to do with today's transfer targets, a tansfer budget would have been set within weeks of last season ending, and we have ALSO sold Ulloa. Today we have money available.

Continuously linking Barber to signing players is wrong, that is the task of Bloom and Burke. Barbers main role when it comes to transfers is getting the best price we can get when selling. His other roles include bringing in new sponsors and reducing off field costs. I think of the three B's, he is the only one actually getting any good results for the club.

Burke, yep he has had my support, and to a degree he still has it, and I say that because we don't know if it is Bloom that is the fly in the oinment when it comes to bids and wage offers, we do know that nobody comes in or goes out without Bloom signing off on the deal.

Bloom still has my support, but my thinking has shifted a little, and that is because we have not managed to bring in recruits quickly enough, as I said, nobody comes in without Bloom's approval of the deal we are offering. Did Burke want to offer more to get a target but was told no. There are some questions that Bloom needs to answer, answers we are very unlikely to get.

The yanks often say, 'the buck stops here,' well Bloom is the boss and no matter what the reason for us not getting new players, he, as the boss, has to accept that the buck stops at his office door. If Burke is not up to the task then he should have been replaced, only Bloom can do that. If the transfer budget number is set too low, Bloom should see that and act. If there is an underlying problem at the club, it's Bloom's task to not only understand that, but also to act to put things right.

Bloom, in most people's minds, is the best thing that has ever happened as far as the club goes, but being the most loved Chairman we have ever had doesn't let him off the hook.
Needed to be said Vegas
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Bloom's wallet has nothing to do with today's transfer targets, a tansfer budget would have been set within weeks of last season ending, and we have ALSO sold Ulloa. Today we have money available. Continuously linking Barber to signing players is wrong, that is the task of Bloom and Burke. Barbers main role when it comes to transfers is getting the best price we can get when selling. His other roles include bringing in new sponsors and reducing off field costs. I think of the three B's, he is the only one actually getting any good results for the club. Burke, yep he has had my support, and to a degree he still has it, and I say that because we don't know if it is Bloom that is the fly in the oinment when it comes to bids and wage offers, we do know that nobody comes in or goes out without Bloom signing off on the deal. Bloom still has my support, but my thinking has shifted a little, and that is because we have not managed to bring in recruits quickly enough, as I said, nobody comes in without Bloom's approval of the deal we are offering. Did Burke want to offer more to get a target but was told no. There are some questions that Bloom needs to answer, answers we are very unlikely to get. The yanks often say, 'the buck stops here,' well Bloom is the boss and no matter what the reason for us not getting new players, he, as the boss, has to accept that the buck stops at his office door. If Burke is not up to the task then he should have been replaced, only Bloom can do that. If the transfer budget number is set too low, Bloom should see that and act. If there is an underlying problem at the club, it's Bloom's task to not only understand that, but also to act to put things right. Bloom, in most people's minds, is the best thing that has ever happened as far as the club goes, but being the most loved Chairman we have ever had doesn't let him off the hook.[/p][/quote]Needed to be said Vegas dave from bexill
  • Score: 4

4:51pm Tue 5 Aug 14

AlanDuffy says...

So we've missed out on Clayton, Baldock looks unlikely, same with Lingard so.......I'm hoping we haven't put all our eggs in one basket and have some back-up options - if not, then I think we need to ask some serious questions.....wait a minute, isn't there a forum this evening?
So we've missed out on Clayton, Baldock looks unlikely, same with Lingard so.......I'm hoping we haven't put all our eggs in one basket and have some back-up options - if not, then I think we need to ask some serious questions.....wait a minute, isn't there a forum this evening? AlanDuffy
  • Score: 8

4:52pm Tue 5 Aug 14

don't wanna do it like that says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Bloom's wallet has nothing to do with today's transfer targets, a tansfer budget would have been set within weeks of last season ending, and we have ALSO sold Ulloa. Today we have money available.

Continuously linking Barber to signing players is wrong, that is the task of Bloom and Burke. Barbers main role when it comes to transfers is getting the best price we can get when selling. His other roles include bringing in new sponsors and reducing off field costs. I think of the three B's, he is the only one actually getting any good results for the club.

Burke, yep he has had my support, and to a degree he still has it, and I say that because we don't know if it is Bloom that is the fly in the oinment when it comes to bids and wage offers, we do know that nobody comes in or goes out without Bloom signing off on the deal.

Bloom still has my support, but my thinking has shifted a little, and that is because we have not managed to bring in recruits quickly enough, as I said, nobody comes in without Bloom's approval of the deal we are offering. Did Burke want to offer more to get a target but was told no. There are some questions that Bloom needs to answer, answers we are very unlikely to get.

The yanks often say, 'the buck stops here,' well Bloom is the boss and no matter what the reason for us not getting new players, he, as the boss, has to accept that the buck stops at his office door. If Burke is not up to the task then he should have been replaced, only Bloom can do that. If the transfer budget number is set too low, Bloom should see that and act. If there is an underlying problem at the club, it's Bloom's task to not only understand that, but also to act to put things right.

Bloom, in most people's minds, is the best thing that has ever happened as far as the club goes, but being the most loved Chairman we have ever had doesn't let him off the hook.
CRAP POST Bloom's wallet has nothing to do with this err err,THAT IS WHERE THE BUCK STOPS.

Thought you ran your own business.

Again do you know the BUCKS that are available ???
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Bloom's wallet has nothing to do with today's transfer targets, a tansfer budget would have been set within weeks of last season ending, and we have ALSO sold Ulloa. Today we have money available. Continuously linking Barber to signing players is wrong, that is the task of Bloom and Burke. Barbers main role when it comes to transfers is getting the best price we can get when selling. His other roles include bringing in new sponsors and reducing off field costs. I think of the three B's, he is the only one actually getting any good results for the club. Burke, yep he has had my support, and to a degree he still has it, and I say that because we don't know if it is Bloom that is the fly in the oinment when it comes to bids and wage offers, we do know that nobody comes in or goes out without Bloom signing off on the deal. Bloom still has my support, but my thinking has shifted a little, and that is because we have not managed to bring in recruits quickly enough, as I said, nobody comes in without Bloom's approval of the deal we are offering. Did Burke want to offer more to get a target but was told no. There are some questions that Bloom needs to answer, answers we are very unlikely to get. The yanks often say, 'the buck stops here,' well Bloom is the boss and no matter what the reason for us not getting new players, he, as the boss, has to accept that the buck stops at his office door. If Burke is not up to the task then he should have been replaced, only Bloom can do that. If the transfer budget number is set too low, Bloom should see that and act. If there is an underlying problem at the club, it's Bloom's task to not only understand that, but also to act to put things right. Bloom, in most people's minds, is the best thing that has ever happened as far as the club goes, but being the most loved Chairman we have ever had doesn't let him off the hook.[/p][/quote]CRAP POST Bloom's wallet has nothing to do with this err err,THAT IS WHERE THE BUCK STOPS. Thought you ran your own business. Again do you know the BUCKS that are available ??? don't wanna do it like that
  • Score: -5

4:53pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Cliify0002 says...

If I had a season ticket I'd be cancelling
If I had a season ticket I'd be cancelling Cliify0002
  • Score: -8

4:54pm Tue 5 Aug 14

heathgate says...

Lets just stick to Premier League Youth 'cast-offs',... that seems to be the limit of our ambitions.
Lets just stick to Premier League Youth 'cast-offs',... that seems to be the limit of our ambitions. heathgate
  • Score: 2

4:59pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Bucket feet Duffy says...

pablobrowno wrote:
Mark Dixon wrote:
I live in Somerset, does anyone know if the meeting tonight is live on the local radio??
It's on BBC Sussex. You'll be able to pick it up via internet radio. So if you have a radio app on your Iphone or Ipad like TuneIn Radio you can search for bbc sussex. Alternatively using a PC go to the BBC Sussex website and click on listen live. If you don't have the internet (and broadband) you might be screwed. Although TuneIn app will work via 3G or 4G network on your Iphone, if you have one!

Enjoy!
What time does it start?
[quote][p][bold]pablobrowno[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mark Dixon[/bold] wrote: I live in Somerset, does anyone know if the meeting tonight is live on the local radio??[/p][/quote]It's on BBC Sussex. You'll be able to pick it up via internet radio. So if you have a radio app on your Iphone or Ipad like TuneIn Radio you can search for bbc sussex. Alternatively using a PC go to the BBC Sussex website and click on listen live. If you don't have the internet (and broadband) you might be screwed. Although TuneIn app will work via 3G or 4G network on your Iphone, if you have one! Enjoy![/p][/quote]What time does it start? Bucket feet Duffy
  • Score: 1

4:59pm Tue 5 Aug 14

arc12 says...

If the club are adhering to FFP so strictly (which appears to be the case) then presumably we had little or no chance of getting any of the so-called higher profile targets that have been bandied about.

Why then didn’t the club just go for some less expensive recruits earlier in the summer that may have been more realistic targets even if they weren’t so high profile. Surely they could have gone for one or two decent league two targets who we may have been able to afford? Yes – they may not have met many of the fans expectations but at least Sammi could have worked with them over the last few weeks and integrated them into the squad.

The problem now is that anybody arriving in the new few days (or god forbid after the season has started) are likely to be panic buys or desperation signings / loans and we know from previous experience that Burke has a pretty poor record in this area (Lita, Obika, Rodriguez etc), and clearly not players they would have had at the top of their list back in the early summer.

Would you trust him now to rush any players in? Also if a few new players do arrive in the last few days before the season starts, would SH actually want to drop them straight into the side with barely a training session to be had with the current squad.

In my view a major overhaul needs to be undertaken with the recruitment team to prevent such a fiasco as happening next season.
If the club are adhering to FFP so strictly (which appears to be the case) then presumably we had little or no chance of getting any of the so-called higher profile targets that have been bandied about. Why then didn’t the club just go for some less expensive recruits earlier in the summer that may have been more realistic targets even if they weren’t so high profile. Surely they could have gone for one or two decent league two targets who we may have been able to afford? Yes – they may not have met many of the fans expectations but at least Sammi could have worked with them over the last few weeks and integrated them into the squad. The problem now is that anybody arriving in the new few days (or god forbid after the season has started) are likely to be panic buys or desperation signings / loans and we know from previous experience that Burke has a pretty poor record in this area (Lita, Obika, Rodriguez etc), and clearly not players they would have had at the top of their list back in the early summer. Would you trust him now to rush any players in? Also if a few new players do arrive in the last few days before the season starts, would SH actually want to drop them straight into the side with barely a training session to be had with the current squad. In my view a major overhaul needs to be undertaken with the recruitment team to prevent such a fiasco as happening next season. arc12
  • Score: 7

4:59pm Tue 5 Aug 14

ballantrrae says...

heshootshescores wrote:
Hope Barber and Burke get the grilling they deserve at the fans' forum tonight. This close season has been nothing short of a shambles.

No wonder Gus and Oscar couldn't wait to get out. Bad enough selling Ulloa – nothing they could do about that one when an ambitious player wants to further his career – but the fact that they had no apparent plan in place to replace him or others is the thing that rankles me.

So much for the ridiculous "Trio Set To Sign" headline. Clayton has gone to Middlesbrough, Bristol City have described bids for Baldock as "derisory" and Ward is playing pre-season friendlies for Wolves when it's obvious to all we need an experienced left back.

We're going into the season totally unprepared to be a competitive force in the Championship. Worse still, we're not giving Sami a chance to succeed with the squad we currently have.

Something has to change. How about giving Barber the boot and using the 500k we're wasting on his wages to increase the playing budget, which clearly is lower than clubs like Forest and Boro – even though we have the best fan base in the Championship?
I don't think that Burke is on the panel although I think he should be. Since he is not and assuming he is not attending the meeting I trust that he is burning the midnight oil to acquire the 5-6 players that SH wants and needs.
TB has shown great loyalty to Burke and his team which as an outsider (I am a season ticket holder like many others) I have yet to see being repaid with some quality signings. Hopefully my reservations about our recruitment department will prove unfounded in the next 3 days.
UTA.
[quote][p][bold]heshootshescores[/bold] wrote: Hope Barber and Burke get the grilling they deserve at the fans' forum tonight. This close season has been nothing short of a shambles. No wonder Gus and Oscar couldn't wait to get out. Bad enough selling Ulloa – nothing they could do about that one when an ambitious player wants to further his career – but the fact that they had no apparent plan in place to replace him or others is the thing that rankles me. So much for the ridiculous "Trio Set To Sign" headline. Clayton has gone to Middlesbrough, Bristol City have described bids for Baldock as "derisory" and Ward is playing pre-season friendlies for Wolves when it's obvious to all we need an experienced left back. We're going into the season totally unprepared to be a competitive force in the Championship. Worse still, we're not giving Sami a chance to succeed with the squad we currently have. Something has to change. How about giving Barber the boot and using the 500k we're wasting on his wages to increase the playing budget, which clearly is lower than clubs like Forest and Boro – even though we have the best fan base in the Championship?[/p][/quote]I don't think that Burke is on the panel although I think he should be. Since he is not and assuming he is not attending the meeting I trust that he is burning the midnight oil to acquire the 5-6 players that SH wants and needs. TB has shown great loyalty to Burke and his team which as an outsider (I am a season ticket holder like many others) I have yet to see being repaid with some quality signings. Hopefully my reservations about our recruitment department will prove unfounded in the next 3 days. UTA. ballantrrae
  • Score: 4

5:00pm Tue 5 Aug 14

gordongull says...

dave from bexill wrote:
Piglet1 wrote:
It's a disappointing yes but calm down as there will be other targets who will be being pursued. We do not get Clayton but this leaves room for another.
I am sure the proximity was a major factor to Clayton and there is not much we can do about that, the strange thing is that the club and others thought he was coming. I guess he changed his mind, we all have the right to do that.
Don't panic and jump to conclusions that everything is in freefall. We are in a much better state than many of the teams in the Championship.
So why are you sure "proximity was a major factor".
And where did you get the information that the club thought he was coming here?
[quote][p][bold]dave from bexill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Piglet1[/bold] wrote: It's a disappointing yes but calm down as there will be other targets who will be being pursued. We do not get Clayton but this leaves room for another. I am sure the proximity was a major factor to Clayton and there is not much we can do about that, the strange thing is that the club and others thought he was coming. I guess he changed his mind, we all have the right to do that. Don't panic and jump to conclusions that everything is in freefall. We are in a much better state than many of the teams in the Championship.[/p][/quote]So why are you sure "proximity was a major factor".[/p][/quote]And where did you get the information that the club thought he was coming here? gordongull
  • Score: 2

5:03pm Tue 5 Aug 14

ballantrrae says...

Bucket feet Duffy wrote:
pablobrowno wrote:
Mark Dixon wrote:
I live in Somerset, does anyone know if the meeting tonight is live on the local radio??
It's on BBC Sussex. You'll be able to pick it up via internet radio. So if you have a radio app on your Iphone or Ipad like TuneIn Radio you can search for bbc sussex. Alternatively using a PC go to the BBC Sussex website and click on listen live. If you don't have the internet (and broadband) you might be screwed. Although TuneIn app will work via 3G or 4G network on your Iphone, if you have one!

Enjoy!
What time does it start?
Starts 19.05.
[quote][p][bold]Bucket feet Duffy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pablobrowno[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mark Dixon[/bold] wrote: I live in Somerset, does anyone know if the meeting tonight is live on the local radio??[/p][/quote]It's on BBC Sussex. You'll be able to pick it up via internet radio. So if you have a radio app on your Iphone or Ipad like TuneIn Radio you can search for bbc sussex. Alternatively using a PC go to the BBC Sussex website and click on listen live. If you don't have the internet (and broadband) you might be screwed. Although TuneIn app will work via 3G or 4G network on your Iphone, if you have one! Enjoy![/p][/quote]What time does it start?[/p][/quote]Starts 19.05. ballantrrae
  • Score: 2

5:08pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Singing Seagull, Indonesia says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
Beale32 wrote:
Shame about clayton, but did the club actually want him? Did we put a offer on the table for him. We all know the club do not say who their targets are. Was clayton really a target or just a rumour that took off.
we will never know.

hoping for some good news soon.
Agreed.

Did we bid for him at all? Did we bid for him but not rate him quite as highly as perhaps Middlesbrough do? Is it all moot anyway due to our location?

So many unknowns, but so many quick to point the finger of blame. No facts are available, and until then opinions will be clouded in pre-existing bias.

I've already been accused of being Dunk's dad and Burke's PR agent, but I'm just someone who doesn't jump the gun. I'm also someone who won't criticize another living soul without actual evidence for doing so, and even then I will think twice and think hard before casting a stone.
Agreed Arnie. Whilst this latest saga, and the long slow journey to any significant Albion signings, are hugely frustrating, and it is easy to blame any or all of the Three Bs, none of us is privilege to the real facts or the real problems which have been encountered.

Clayton was touted by The Argus a being pen in hand ready to sign - and then he uses the pen to sign for Boro (it seems). Was AN reporting what he had been fed by the club? Or was he grasping at rumours (of which there were many) and hoping they were realistic? Would the club feed such info if there was a possibility of it not coming off? I guess if that's the case we have got problems... and I bet the Bs are not at all happy with the timing of this revelation.

It is indeed quite possible that Clayton had an issue with a complete relocation and that would be his call to make. Sometimes we forget that footballers are humans with their own opinions, preferences and family lives to consider. The one FACT is that none of us knows what happened in the Clayton issue and most likely we never will.

As supporters it is easy to believe we are going backwards, cursed with bad luck, or whatever, but I am still of the belief that TB is no mug. He's put a hell of a lot of money into this club and he would not be a good businessman if he let the playing side go to rack and ruin as that would significantly damage his investment. Some say he is angling to sell. Why would he allow the club to go backwards whilst doing so?

I hope and expect developments in the transfer market imminently. I expect loan deals to follow, hopefully with some exciting names coming in. 11th hour maybe, but something good will come and it may well be so far of left field that none of us saw it coming.

I don't think anyone wanted the pre-season to roll out like this, least of all the players or SH. But what has happened so far has happened, and it's been tough going for all true fans but it's what is yet to happen that I am still looking forward to. We have a history of massive twists and turns, but look where it has brought us to. Keep the faith.

As a wise man once said... "it will all be good in the end, and if it's not good now it just means it's not the end yet".

Now TB and others, prove my optimism isn't totally misplaced and GET SOME IN FFS!!!!

UTA!!
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Beale32[/bold] wrote: Shame about clayton, but did the club actually want him? Did we put a offer on the table for him. We all know the club do not say who their targets are. Was clayton really a target or just a rumour that took off. we will never know. hoping for some good news soon.[/p][/quote]Agreed. Did we bid for him at all? Did we bid for him but not rate him quite as highly as perhaps Middlesbrough do? Is it all moot anyway due to our location? So many unknowns, but so many quick to point the finger of blame. No facts are available, and until then opinions will be clouded in pre-existing bias. I've already been accused of being Dunk's dad and Burke's PR agent, but I'm just someone who doesn't jump the gun. I'm also someone who won't criticize another living soul without actual evidence for doing so, and even then I will think twice and think hard before casting a stone.[/p][/quote]Agreed Arnie. Whilst this latest saga, and the long slow journey to any significant Albion signings, are hugely frustrating, and it is easy to blame any or all of the Three Bs, none of us is privilege to the real facts or the real problems which have been encountered. Clayton was touted by The Argus a being pen in hand ready to sign - and then he uses the pen to sign for Boro (it seems). Was AN reporting what he had been fed by the club? Or was he grasping at rumours (of which there were many) and hoping they were realistic? Would the club feed such info if there was a possibility of it not coming off? I guess if that's the case we have got problems... and I bet the Bs are not at all happy with the timing of this revelation. It is indeed quite possible that Clayton had an issue with a complete relocation and that would be his call to make. Sometimes we forget that footballers are humans with their own opinions, preferences and family lives to consider. The one FACT is that none of us knows what happened in the Clayton issue and most likely we never will. As supporters it is easy to believe we are going backwards, cursed with bad luck, or whatever, but I am still of the belief that TB is no mug. He's put a hell of a lot of money into this club and he would not be a good businessman if he let the playing side go to rack and ruin as that would significantly damage his investment. Some say he is angling to sell. Why would he allow the club to go backwards whilst doing so? I hope and expect developments in the transfer market imminently. I expect loan deals to follow, hopefully with some exciting names coming in. 11th hour maybe, but something good will come and it may well be so far of left field that none of us saw it coming. I don't think anyone wanted the pre-season to roll out like this, least of all the players or SH. But what has happened so far has happened, and it's been tough going for all true fans but it's what is yet to happen that I am still looking forward to. We have a history of massive twists and turns, but look where it has brought us to. Keep the faith. As a wise man once said... "it will all be good in the end, and if it's not good now it just means it's not the end yet". Now TB and others, prove my optimism isn't totally misplaced and GET SOME IN FFS!!!! UTA!! Singing Seagull, Indonesia
  • Score: 11

5:12pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Bucket feet Duffy says...

heshootshescores wrote:
phil68 wrote:
"An Argus source in the North-East has confirmed Clayton is expected to sign for Boro this afternoon..."
Not all lost just yet, then...'the Argus source in N-East' may yet prove to be as cr*p and ill-informed as our Southern based Argus source, who had him signing for us just a few days ago...
Read the Middlesbrough Gazette...it's a done deal. Seems Teesside is more attractive than the South Coast. Or could it be Boro were willing to go an inch further, unlike Brighton, as we have witnessed time and time again? Could have had Grabban for one million (he's now worth three) if we weren't so intransigent about our wage structure.

But don't worry, we saved a few grand for Barber's bonus (NOT).
And the three or four thousand soles that won't be going unless things change will cost the club £3.5million.
[quote][p][bold]heshootshescores[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]phil68[/bold] wrote: "An Argus source in the North-East has confirmed Clayton is expected to sign for Boro this afternoon..." Not all lost just yet, then...'the Argus source in N-East' may yet prove to be as cr*p and ill-informed as our Southern based Argus source, who had him signing for us just a few days ago...[/p][/quote]Read the Middlesbrough Gazette...it's a done deal. Seems Teesside is more attractive than the South Coast. Or could it be Boro were willing to go an inch further, unlike Brighton, as we have witnessed time and time again? Could have had Grabban for one million (he's now worth three) if we weren't so intransigent about our wage structure. But don't worry, we saved a few grand for Barber's bonus (NOT).[/p][/quote]And the three or four thousand soles that won't be going unless things change will cost the club £3.5million. Bucket feet Duffy
  • Score: 1

5:13pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Peppers I says...

david59 wrote:
so where's the ambition Mr bloom? or are we going to see another manager leave due to the lack of commitment to buying better players!!!!
I've said before and I will say again. TB sells in 2015. The books look fantastic, all above board with regard to FFP and one of the best footballing infrastructures in the country. He gets about 50 million and a directorship to boot. JACKPOT
[quote][p][bold]david59[/bold] wrote: so where's the ambition Mr bloom? or are we going to see another manager leave due to the lack of commitment to buying better players!!!![/p][/quote]I've said before and I will say again. TB sells in 2015. The books look fantastic, all above board with regard to FFP and one of the best footballing infrastructures in the country. He gets about 50 million and a directorship to boot. JACKPOT Peppers I
  • Score: 0

5:14pm Tue 5 Aug 14

falmer seagull says...

The Albion stated that we did not want Ulloa to leave, therefore, the financial planning for FFP would not have included the £8m we got for him, so surely this could be made available for playing staff? I bought a 'seat for life'! What a mug!!!!!
The Albion stated that we did not want Ulloa to leave, therefore, the financial planning for FFP would not have included the £8m we got for him, so surely this could be made available for playing staff? I bought a 'seat for life'! What a mug!!!!! falmer seagull
  • Score: 5

5:14pm Tue 5 Aug 14

AlfieT says...

Is he better than a fully fit Crofts?
Is he better than a fully fit Crofts? AlfieT
  • Score: 4

5:17pm Tue 5 Aug 14

don't wanna do it like that says...

Hope TB asks the forum and the listeners,if he is allowed.

HOW MUCH ARE YOU GOING TO PUT IN THE KITTY.
Hope TB asks the forum and the listeners,if he is allowed. HOW MUCH ARE YOU GOING TO PUT IN THE KITTY. don't wanna do it like that
  • Score: -1

5:18pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Captain Haddock says...

Relegated 2015 wrote:
Paulmarshall18 wrote:
20/1 to get relegated. Great value
I'm having £20 on that. It'll soften the blow.
Good luck to you Palace Jellynecks! You'll need it.
[quote][p][bold]Relegated 2015[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paulmarshall18[/bold] wrote: 20/1 to get relegated. Great value[/p][/quote]I'm having £20 on that. It'll soften the blow.[/p][/quote]Good luck to you Palace Jellynecks! You'll need it. Captain Haddock
  • Score: 5

5:19pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Willie, Willie Irvine says...

They say football is a team game - so where can we get one..?

They say football is a funny old game - well, they got that right!
They say football is a team game - so where can we get one..? They say football is a funny old game - well, they got that right! Willie, Willie Irvine
  • Score: 1

5:22pm Tue 5 Aug 14

don't wanna do it like that says...

Peppers I wrote:
david59 wrote:
so where's the ambition Mr bloom? or are we going to see another manager leave due to the lack of commitment to buying better players!!!!
I've said before and I will say again. TB sells in 2015. The books look fantastic, all above board with regard to FFP and one of the best footballing infrastructures in the country. He gets about 50 million and a directorship to boot. JACKPOT
Nice one,if the we WANT push him to far,that's what we are going to get.

And imho don't wanna do it like that
[quote][p][bold]Peppers I[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]david59[/bold] wrote: so where's the ambition Mr bloom? or are we going to see another manager leave due to the lack of commitment to buying better players!!!![/p][/quote]I've said before and I will say again. TB sells in 2015. The books look fantastic, all above board with regard to FFP and one of the best footballing infrastructures in the country. He gets about 50 million and a directorship to boot. JACKPOT[/p][/quote]Nice one,if the we WANT push him to far,that's what we are going to get. And imho don't wanna do it like that don't wanna do it like that
  • Score: 2

5:23pm Tue 5 Aug 14

tez1959 says...

same old same old here we go again someone decent and they still lose out to a dive like middlesboro who would want to even go there for a day let alone a long spell good luck clayton take plenty of thermals your need em oh and well done bloom and co nice one. might as well go and sign james fraser from peacehaven he will get you goals and for less money...............
same old same old here we go again someone decent and they still lose out to a dive like middlesboro who would want to even go there for a day let alone a long spell good luck clayton take plenty of thermals your need em oh and well done bloom and co nice one. might as well go and sign james fraser from peacehaven he will get you goals and for less money............... tez1959
  • Score: 4

5:24pm Tue 5 Aug 14

SiWilki says...

With Crofts, Stephens, Forster Caskey, Toko, Ince, Agustien is there really need for another midfielder in this role?

How about spending more of that 8mil on a better striker than one at struggling Bristol City and fill what is currently a hole at left back (with due respect to Chicksen)???
With Crofts, Stephens, Forster Caskey, Toko, Ince, Agustien is there really need for another midfielder in this role? How about spending more of that 8mil on a better striker than one at struggling Bristol City and fill what is currently a hole at left back (with due respect to Chicksen)??? SiWilki
  • Score: 8

5:27pm Tue 5 Aug 14

arc12 says...

Singing Seagull, Indonesia wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
Beale32 wrote:
Shame about clayton, but did the club actually want him? Did we put a offer on the table for him. We all know the club do not say who their targets are. Was clayton really a target or just a rumour that took off.
we will never know.

hoping for some good news soon.
Agreed.

Did we bid for him at all? Did we bid for him but not rate him quite as highly as perhaps Middlesbrough do? Is it all moot anyway due to our location?

So many unknowns, but so many quick to point the finger of blame. No facts are available, and until then opinions will be clouded in pre-existing bias.

I've already been accused of being Dunk's dad and Burke's PR agent, but I'm just someone who doesn't jump the gun. I'm also someone who won't criticize another living soul without actual evidence for doing so, and even then I will think twice and think hard before casting a stone.
Agreed Arnie. Whilst this latest saga, and the long slow journey to any significant Albion signings, are hugely frustrating, and it is easy to blame any or all of the Three Bs, none of us is privilege to the real facts or the real problems which have been encountered.

Clayton was touted by The Argus a being pen in hand ready to sign - and then he uses the pen to sign for Boro (it seems). Was AN reporting what he had been fed by the club? Or was he grasping at rumours (of which there were many) and hoping they were realistic? Would the club feed such info if there was a possibility of it not coming off? I guess if that's the case we have got problems... and I bet the Bs are not at all happy with the timing of this revelation.

It is indeed quite possible that Clayton had an issue with a complete relocation and that would be his call to make. Sometimes we forget that footballers are humans with their own opinions, preferences and family lives to consider. The one FACT is that none of us knows what happened in the Clayton issue and most likely we never will.

As supporters it is easy to believe we are going backwards, cursed with bad luck, or whatever, but I am still of the belief that TB is no mug. He's put a hell of a lot of money into this club and he would not be a good businessman if he let the playing side go to rack and ruin as that would significantly damage his investment. Some say he is angling to sell. Why would he allow the club to go backwards whilst doing so?

I hope and expect developments in the transfer market imminently. I expect loan deals to follow, hopefully with some exciting names coming in. 11th hour maybe, but something good will come and it may well be so far of left field that none of us saw it coming.

I don't think anyone wanted the pre-season to roll out like this, least of all the players or SH. But what has happened so far has happened, and it's been tough going for all true fans but it's what is yet to happen that I am still looking forward to. We have a history of massive twists and turns, but look where it has brought us to. Keep the faith.

As a wise man once said... "it will all be good in the end, and if it's not good now it just means it's not the end yet".

Now TB and others, prove my optimism isn't totally misplaced and GET SOME IN FFS!!!!

UTA!!
But we have such a poor record with last minute loans - that's my main worry now.
[quote][p][bold]Singing Seagull, Indonesia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Beale32[/bold] wrote: Shame about clayton, but did the club actually want him? Did we put a offer on the table for him. We all know the club do not say who their targets are. Was clayton really a target or just a rumour that took off. we will never know. hoping for some good news soon.[/p][/quote]Agreed. Did we bid for him at all? Did we bid for him but not rate him quite as highly as perhaps Middlesbrough do? Is it all moot anyway due to our location? So many unknowns, but so many quick to point the finger of blame. No facts are available, and until then opinions will be clouded in pre-existing bias. I've already been accused of being Dunk's dad and Burke's PR agent, but I'm just someone who doesn't jump the gun. I'm also someone who won't criticize another living soul without actual evidence for doing so, and even then I will think twice and think hard before casting a stone.[/p][/quote]Agreed Arnie. Whilst this latest saga, and the long slow journey to any significant Albion signings, are hugely frustrating, and it is easy to blame any or all of the Three Bs, none of us is privilege to the real facts or the real problems which have been encountered. Clayton was touted by The Argus a being pen in hand ready to sign - and then he uses the pen to sign for Boro (it seems). Was AN reporting what he had been fed by the club? Or was he grasping at rumours (of which there were many) and hoping they were realistic? Would the club feed such info if there was a possibility of it not coming off? I guess if that's the case we have got problems... and I bet the Bs are not at all happy with the timing of this revelation. It is indeed quite possible that Clayton had an issue with a complete relocation and that would be his call to make. Sometimes we forget that footballers are humans with their own opinions, preferences and family lives to consider. The one FACT is that none of us knows what happened in the Clayton issue and most likely we never will. As supporters it is easy to believe we are going backwards, cursed with bad luck, or whatever, but I am still of the belief that TB is no mug. He's put a hell of a lot of money into this club and he would not be a good businessman if he let the playing side go to rack and ruin as that would significantly damage his investment. Some say he is angling to sell. Why would he allow the club to go backwards whilst doing so? I hope and expect developments in the transfer market imminently. I expect loan deals to follow, hopefully with some exciting names coming in. 11th hour maybe, but something good will come and it may well be so far of left field that none of us saw it coming. I don't think anyone wanted the pre-season to roll out like this, least of all the players or SH. But what has happened so far has happened, and it's been tough going for all true fans but it's what is yet to happen that I am still looking forward to. We have a history of massive twists and turns, but look where it has brought us to. Keep the faith. As a wise man once said... "it will all be good in the end, and if it's not good now it just means it's not the end yet". Now TB and others, prove my optimism isn't totally misplaced and GET SOME IN FFS!!!! UTA!![/p][/quote]But we have such a poor record with last minute loans - that's my main worry now. arc12
  • Score: 6

5:27pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Captain Haddock says...

Singing Seagull, Indonesia wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
Beale32 wrote:
Shame about clayton, but did the club actually want him? Did we put a offer on the table for him. We all know the club do not say who their targets are. Was clayton really a target or just a rumour that took off.
we will never know.

hoping for some good news soon.
Agreed.

Did we bid for him at all? Did we bid for him but not rate him quite as highly as perhaps Middlesbrough do? Is it all moot anyway due to our location?

So many unknowns, but so many quick to point the finger of blame. No facts are available, and until then opinions will be clouded in pre-existing bias.

I've already been accused of being Dunk's dad and Burke's PR agent, but I'm just someone who doesn't jump the gun. I'm also someone who won't criticize another living soul without actual evidence for doing so, and even then I will think twice and think hard before casting a stone.
Agreed Arnie. Whilst this latest saga, and the long slow journey to any significant Albion signings, are hugely frustrating, and it is easy to blame any or all of the Three Bs, none of us is privilege to the real facts or the real problems which have been encountered.

Clayton was touted by The Argus a being pen in hand ready to sign - and then he uses the pen to sign for Boro (it seems). Was AN reporting what he had been fed by the club? Or was he grasping at rumours (of which there were many) and hoping they were realistic? Would the club feed such info if there was a possibility of it not coming off? I guess if that's the case we have got problems... and I bet the Bs are not at all happy with the timing of this revelation.

It is indeed quite possible that Clayton had an issue with a complete relocation and that would be his call to make. Sometimes we forget that footballers are humans with their own opinions, preferences and family lives to consider. The one FACT is that none of us knows what happened in the Clayton issue and most likely we never will.

As supporters it is easy to believe we are going backwards, cursed with bad luck, or whatever, but I am still of the belief that TB is no mug. He's put a hell of a lot of money into this club and he would not be a good businessman if he let the playing side go to rack and ruin as that would significantly damage his investment. Some say he is angling to sell. Why would he allow the club to go backwards whilst doing so?

I hope and expect developments in the transfer market imminently. I expect loan deals to follow, hopefully with some exciting names coming in. 11th hour maybe, but something good will come and it may well be so far of left field that none of us saw it coming.

I don't think anyone wanted the pre-season to roll out like this, least of all the players or SH. But what has happened so far has happened, and it's been tough going for all true fans but it's what is yet to happen that I am still looking forward to. We have a history of massive twists and turns, but look where it has brought us to. Keep the faith.

As a wise man once said... "it will all be good in the end, and if it's not good now it just means it's not the end yet".

Now TB and others, prove my optimism isn't totally misplaced and GET SOME IN FFS!!!!

UTA!!
Well said! Must admit I'm now starting to get very edgy.
[quote][p][bold]Singing Seagull, Indonesia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Beale32[/bold] wrote: Shame about clayton, but did the club actually want him? Did we put a offer on the table for him. We all know the club do not say who their targets are. Was clayton really a target or just a rumour that took off. we will never know. hoping for some good news soon.[/p][/quote]Agreed. Did we bid for him at all? Did we bid for him but not rate him quite as highly as perhaps Middlesbrough do? Is it all moot anyway due to our location? So many unknowns, but so many quick to point the finger of blame. No facts are available, and until then opinions will be clouded in pre-existing bias. I've already been accused of being Dunk's dad and Burke's PR agent, but I'm just someone who doesn't jump the gun. I'm also someone who won't criticize another living soul without actual evidence for doing so, and even then I will think twice and think hard before casting a stone.[/p][/quote]Agreed Arnie. Whilst this latest saga, and the long slow journey to any significant Albion signings, are hugely frustrating, and it is easy to blame any or all of the Three Bs, none of us is privilege to the real facts or the real problems which have been encountered. Clayton was touted by The Argus a being pen in hand ready to sign - and then he uses the pen to sign for Boro (it seems). Was AN reporting what he had been fed by the club? Or was he grasping at rumours (of which there were many) and hoping they were realistic? Would the club feed such info if there was a possibility of it not coming off? I guess if that's the case we have got problems... and I bet the Bs are not at all happy with the timing of this revelation. It is indeed quite possible that Clayton had an issue with a complete relocation and that would be his call to make. Sometimes we forget that footballers are humans with their own opinions, preferences and family lives to consider. The one FACT is that none of us knows what happened in the Clayton issue and most likely we never will. As supporters it is easy to believe we are going backwards, cursed with bad luck, or whatever, but I am still of the belief that TB is no mug. He's put a hell of a lot of money into this club and he would not be a good businessman if he let the playing side go to rack and ruin as that would significantly damage his investment. Some say he is angling to sell. Why would he allow the club to go backwards whilst doing so? I hope and expect developments in the transfer market imminently. I expect loan deals to follow, hopefully with some exciting names coming in. 11th hour maybe, but something good will come and it may well be so far of left field that none of us saw it coming. I don't think anyone wanted the pre-season to roll out like this, least of all the players or SH. But what has happened so far has happened, and it's been tough going for all true fans but it's what is yet to happen that I am still looking forward to. We have a history of massive twists and turns, but look where it has brought us to. Keep the faith. As a wise man once said... "it will all be good in the end, and if it's not good now it just means it's not the end yet". Now TB and others, prove my optimism isn't totally misplaced and GET SOME IN FFS!!!! UTA!![/p][/quote]Well said! Must admit I'm now starting to get very edgy. Captain Haddock
  • Score: 6

5:29pm Tue 5 Aug 14

dave from bexill says...

AlfieT wrote:
Is he better than a fully fit Crofts?
Yes, absolutely he is....(only my view of course Alfie)
[quote][p][bold]AlfieT[/bold] wrote: Is he better than a fully fit Crofts?[/p][/quote]Yes, absolutely he is....(only my view of course Alfie) dave from bexill
  • Score: 0

5:29pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Tony the tiger eastbourne says...

Mr Bloom deserves all the credit going for him in regards to the building of our great stadium and training facilities, that I greatly admire for that. As for the financial and transfer side of things, well very disappointed. Why cant we attract players to join this wonderful club. Our hopes are heightened when the press tells us that these players are going to sign, only then in disappointment they've turned us down. This isn't the only time either, it cant be the facilities,due to them being ranked top, so its got to be how the club is being run!! Tony its time for a change with Burke and Barber. Its pro2
Mr Bloom deserves all the credit going for him in regards to the building of our great stadium and training facilities, that I greatly admire for that. As for the financial and transfer side of things, well very disappointed. Why cant we attract players to join this wonderful club. Our hopes are heightened when the press tells us that these players are going to sign, only then in disappointment they've turned us down. This isn't the only time either, it cant be the facilities,due to them being ranked top, so its got to be how the club is being run!! Tony its time for a change with Burke and Barber. Its pro2 Tony the tiger eastbourne
  • Score: -2

5:29pm Tue 5 Aug 14

mikeygit says...

ARC12---agree with your posts---it was never a given that the THREE were coming and I did post a big IF yesterday, the Argus and Andy Naylor should print a big apology for stoking up this speculation, terrible journalism and unfair on we fans. We should all know that the Board at the Club never give any secrets away until they know a player has signed. I think it is a big shame that players either do not want to come to BHA or their demands are too high---but not for other clubs. Are we chasing ´special´players that really do not exist¿-? as has been said many times if Blackpool can sign players THEIR manager and board feel are suitable for the Championship then what is our problem---yes are we too far South for the Northerners. i am not holding my breath for answers tonight either but I hope at least there are some clues.
When the Argus said Albion are signing three players perhaps it was the Beverley Sisters!!!! I am really disappointed and more than a little concerned that we will be starting the season on the back foot. Maybe the DS players will get their chance quicker than they thought. Cannot see now where we are going to get decent players from outside the Club---certainly no big name as far as I can see.
ARC12---agree with your posts---it was never a given that the THREE were coming and I did post a big IF yesterday, the Argus and Andy Naylor should print a big apology for stoking up this speculation, terrible journalism and unfair on we fans. We should all know that the Board at the Club never give any secrets away until they know a player has signed. I think it is a big shame that players either do not want to come to BHA or their demands are too high---but not for other clubs. Are we chasing ´special´players that really do not exist¿-? as has been said many times if Blackpool can sign players THEIR manager and board feel are suitable for the Championship then what is our problem---yes are we too far South for the Northerners. i am not holding my breath for answers tonight either but I hope at least there are some clues. When the Argus said Albion are signing three players perhaps it was the Beverley Sisters!!!! I am really disappointed and more than a little concerned that we will be starting the season on the back foot. Maybe the DS players will get their chance quicker than they thought. Cannot see now where we are going to get decent players from outside the Club---certainly no big name as far as I can see. mikeygit
  • Score: 5

5:31pm Tue 5 Aug 14

VegasSeagull says...

Captain Haddock wrote:
Singing Seagull, Indonesia wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
Beale32 wrote:
Shame about clayton, but did the club actually want him? Did we put a offer on the table for him. We all know the club do not say who their targets are. Was clayton really a target or just a rumour that took off.
we will never know.

hoping for some good news soon.
Agreed.

Did we bid for him at all? Did we bid for him but not rate him quite as highly as perhaps Middlesbrough do? Is it all moot anyway due to our location?

So many unknowns, but so many quick to point the finger of blame. No facts are available, and until then opinions will be clouded in pre-existing bias.

I've already been accused of being Dunk's dad and Burke's PR agent, but I'm just someone who doesn't jump the gun. I'm also someone who won't criticize another living soul without actual evidence for doing so, and even then I will think twice and think hard before casting a stone.
Agreed Arnie. Whilst this latest saga, and the long slow journey to any significant Albion signings, are hugely frustrating, and it is easy to blame any or all of the Three Bs, none of us is privilege to the real facts or the real problems which have been encountered.

Clayton was touted by The Argus a being pen in hand ready to sign - and then he uses the pen to sign for Boro (it seems). Was AN reporting what he had been fed by the club? Or was he grasping at rumours (of which there were many) and hoping they were realistic? Would the club feed such info if there was a possibility of it not coming off? I guess if that's the case we have got problems... and I bet the Bs are not at all happy with the timing of this revelation.

It is indeed quite possible that Clayton had an issue with a complete relocation and that would be his call to make. Sometimes we forget that footballers are humans with their own opinions, preferences and family lives to consider. The one FACT is that none of us knows what happened in the Clayton issue and most likely we never will.

As supporters it is easy to believe we are going backwards, cursed with bad luck, or whatever, but I am still of the belief that TB is no mug. He's put a hell of a lot of money into this club and he would not be a good businessman if he let the playing side go to rack and ruin as that would significantly damage his investment. Some say he is angling to sell. Why would he allow the club to go backwards whilst doing so?

I hope and expect developments in the transfer market imminently. I expect loan deals to follow, hopefully with some exciting names coming in. 11th hour maybe, but something good will come and it may well be so far of left field that none of us saw it coming.

I don't think anyone wanted the pre-season to roll out like this, least of all the players or SH. But what has happened so far has happened, and it's been tough going for all true fans but it's what is yet to happen that I am still looking forward to. We have a history of massive twists and turns, but look where it has brought us to. Keep the faith.

As a wise man once said... "it will all be good in the end, and if it's not good now it just means it's not the end yet".

Now TB and others, prove my optimism isn't totally misplaced and GET SOME IN FFS!!!!

UTA!!
Well said! Must admit I'm now starting to get very edgy.
you are not alone
[quote][p][bold]Captain Haddock[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Singing Seagull, Indonesia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Beale32[/bold] wrote: Shame about clayton, but did the club actually want him? Did we put a offer on the table for him. We all know the club do not say who their targets are. Was clayton really a target or just a rumour that took off. we will never know. hoping for some good news soon.[/p][/quote]Agreed. Did we bid for him at all? Did we bid for him but not rate him quite as highly as perhaps Middlesbrough do? Is it all moot anyway due to our location? So many unknowns, but so many quick to point the finger of blame. No facts are available, and until then opinions will be clouded in pre-existing bias. I've already been accused of being Dunk's dad and Burke's PR agent, but I'm just someone who doesn't jump the gun. I'm also someone who won't criticize another living soul without actual evidence for doing so, and even then I will think twice and think hard before casting a stone.[/p][/quote]Agreed Arnie. Whilst this latest saga, and the long slow journey to any significant Albion signings, are hugely frustrating, and it is easy to blame any or all of the Three Bs, none of us is privilege to the real facts or the real problems which have been encountered. Clayton was touted by The Argus a being pen in hand ready to sign - and then he uses the pen to sign for Boro (it seems). Was AN reporting what he had been fed by the club? Or was he grasping at rumours (of which there were many) and hoping they were realistic? Would the club feed such info if there was a possibility of it not coming off? I guess if that's the case we have got problems... and I bet the Bs are not at all happy with the timing of this revelation. It is indeed quite possible that Clayton had an issue with a complete relocation and that would be his call to make. Sometimes we forget that footballers are humans with their own opinions, preferences and family lives to consider. The one FACT is that none of us knows what happened in the Clayton issue and most likely we never will. As supporters it is easy to believe we are going backwards, cursed with bad luck, or whatever, but I am still of the belief that TB is no mug. He's put a hell of a lot of money into this club and he would not be a good businessman if he let the playing side go to rack and ruin as that would significantly damage his investment. Some say he is angling to sell. Why would he allow the club to go backwards whilst doing so? I hope and expect developments in the transfer market imminently. I expect loan deals to follow, hopefully with some exciting names coming in. 11th hour maybe, but something good will come and it may well be so far of left field that none of us saw it coming. I don't think anyone wanted the pre-season to roll out like this, least of all the players or SH. But what has happened so far has happened, and it's been tough going for all true fans but it's what is yet to happen that I am still looking forward to. We have a history of massive twists and turns, but look where it has brought us to. Keep the faith. As a wise man once said... "it will all be good in the end, and if it's not good now it just means it's not the end yet". Now TB and others, prove my optimism isn't totally misplaced and GET SOME IN FFS!!!! UTA!![/p][/quote]Well said! Must admit I'm now starting to get very edgy.[/p][/quote]you are not alone VegasSeagull
  • Score: 2

5:32pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Relegated 2015 says...

Captain Haddock wrote:
Relegated 2015 wrote:
Paulmarshall18 wrote:
20/1 to get relegated. Great value
I'm having £20 on that. It'll soften the blow.
Good luck to you Palace Jellynecks! You'll need it.
Sorry Haddock. I've been a Brighton fan for 35 years and have corresponded with you on the Wednesday forum many years ago. Chicksen left back? If we don't bring in ward? That just sums up how I feel and I do believe we're be relegated.
[quote][p][bold]Captain Haddock[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Relegated 2015[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paulmarshall18[/bold] wrote: 20/1 to get relegated. Great value[/p][/quote]I'm having £20 on that. It'll soften the blow.[/p][/quote]Good luck to you Palace Jellynecks! You'll need it.[/p][/quote]Sorry Haddock. I've been a Brighton fan for 35 years and have corresponded with you on the Wednesday forum many years ago. Chicksen left back? If we don't bring in ward? That just sums up how I feel and I do believe we're be relegated. Relegated 2015
  • Score: 4

5:32pm Tue 5 Aug 14

pjwilk says...

Mayfield sweeper wrote:
I think it's time we formed a break away club, Brighton and Hove AFC or something, all of us chip in what we can spare to get us up and running and into the Evostik league or wherever it is you start. Rent the Withdean as our home ground and try and get back into the league. We will be showing far more ambition than the suited bean counters in charge of the current albion set up. FC United of Manchester have shown the way forward.
I agree it does not seem that the club has anything to do with the fans,lets go back to the Withdean where it was a fans team and Dick Knight had real ambition for the club.Bloom is only building up the infrastructure to sell the club at a big profit.The sooner the better.
[quote][p][bold]Mayfield sweeper[/bold] wrote: I think it's time we formed a break away club, Brighton and Hove AFC or something, all of us chip in what we can spare to get us up and running and into the Evostik league or wherever it is you start. Rent the Withdean as our home ground and try and get back into the league. We will be showing far more ambition than the suited bean counters in charge of the current albion set up. FC United of Manchester have shown the way forward.[/p][/quote]I agree it does not seem that the club has anything to do with the fans,lets go back to the Withdean where it was a fans team and Dick Knight had real ambition for the club.Bloom is only building up the infrastructure to sell the club at a big profit.The sooner the better. pjwilk
  • Score: -2

5:36pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Phillip Smith says...

I have it on good authority that TB and the Board do not actually want promotion to the PL. They are quite happy to lull around in the Championsp (winning the majority of their matches) and if they get a lucky promotion then so be it. They don’t actually want promotion though because it will just mean a huge increase in costs and players wages etc. After the novelty of PL football wears off attendances will fall as a lot of fans lose interest. The Board are quite happy to stay in the Champsp for the next 10 or so years, comply with FFP and maintain a steady ship.
I have it on good authority that TB and the Board do not actually want promotion to the PL. They are quite happy to lull around in the Championsp (winning the majority of their matches) and if they get a lucky promotion then so be it. They don’t actually want promotion though because it will just mean a huge increase in costs and players wages etc. After the novelty of PL football wears off attendances will fall as a lot of fans lose interest. The Board are quite happy to stay in the Champsp for the next 10 or so years, comply with FFP and maintain a steady ship. Phillip Smith
  • Score: -3

5:38pm Tue 5 Aug 14

VegasSeagull says...

Prediction.

When asked about the Clayton deal falling thru, Bloom will reply by telling of the lads wish NOT to move south. This info would have been past to Bloom during talks between the two clubs, money was not an issue.

Rightly or wrongly, that answer will remove the club from all responsibilty in NOT getting the player.
Prediction. When asked about the Clayton deal falling thru, Bloom will reply by telling of the lads wish NOT to move south. This info would have been past to Bloom during talks between the two clubs, money was not an issue. Rightly or wrongly, that answer will remove the club from all responsibilty in NOT getting the player. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 7

5:40pm Tue 5 Aug 14

VegasSeagull says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Prediction.

When asked about the Clayton deal falling thru, Bloom will reply by telling of the lads wish NOT to move south. This info would have been past to Bloom during talks between the two clubs, money was not an issue.

Rightly or wrongly, that answer will remove the club from all responsibilty in NOT getting the player.
this being the same reason that Conway offered when he declined our adavances, he wanted to stay closer to his extended family.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Prediction. When asked about the Clayton deal falling thru, Bloom will reply by telling of the lads wish NOT to move south. This info would have been past to Bloom during talks between the two clubs, money was not an issue. Rightly or wrongly, that answer will remove the club from all responsibilty in NOT getting the player.[/p][/quote]this being the same reason that Conway offered when he declined our adavances, he wanted to stay closer to his extended family. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 2

5:41pm Tue 5 Aug 14

JeffLomer says...

This is the reason why the club don't communicate through the Argus, because they will print whatever they like, I said on Saturday hope the Argus haven't jumped the gun over these three players, done deals more to follow they said, well were still waiting!!
This is the reason why the club don't communicate through the Argus, because they will print whatever they like, I said on Saturday hope the Argus haven't jumped the gun over these three players, done deals more to follow they said, well were still waiting!! JeffLomer
  • Score: 2

5:41pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Captain Haddock says...

Relegated 2015 wrote:
Captain Haddock wrote:
Relegated 2015 wrote:
Paulmarshall18 wrote:
20/1 to get relegated. Great value
I'm having £20 on that. It'll soften the blow.
Good luck to you Palace Jellynecks! You'll need it.
Sorry Haddock. I've been a Brighton fan for 35 years and have corresponded with you on the Wednesday forum many years ago. Chicksen left back? If we don't bring in ward? That just sums up how I feel and I do believe we're be relegated.
Ok chap (or chapess!). Fair enough. Although I'm thoroughly dissatisfied as a fan of exactly the same period of time as you (funnily enough), I don't share quite such a bleak outlook. We'll finish anywhere between 8th and 14th with the current squad IMHO.
[quote][p][bold]Relegated 2015[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Captain Haddock[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Relegated 2015[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paulmarshall18[/bold] wrote: 20/1 to get relegated. Great value[/p][/quote]I'm having £20 on that. It'll soften the blow.[/p][/quote]Good luck to you Palace Jellynecks! You'll need it.[/p][/quote]Sorry Haddock. I've been a Brighton fan for 35 years and have corresponded with you on the Wednesday forum many years ago. Chicksen left back? If we don't bring in ward? That just sums up how I feel and I do believe we're be relegated.[/p][/quote]Ok chap (or chapess!). Fair enough. Although I'm thoroughly dissatisfied as a fan of exactly the same period of time as you (funnily enough), I don't share quite such a bleak outlook. We'll finish anywhere between 8th and 14th with the current squad IMHO. Captain Haddock
  • Score: -1

5:42pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Captain Haddock says...

pjwilk wrote:
Mayfield sweeper wrote:
I think it's time we formed a break away club, Brighton and Hove AFC or something, all of us chip in what we can spare to get us up and running and into the Evostik league or wherever it is you start. Rent the Withdean as our home ground and try and get back into the league. We will be showing far more ambition than the suited bean counters in charge of the current albion set up. FC United of Manchester have shown the way forward.
I agree it does not seem that the club has anything to do with the fans,lets go back to the Withdean where it was a fans team and Dick Knight had real ambition for the club.Bloom is only building up the infrastructure to sell the club at a big profit.The sooner the better.
Idiotic post.
[quote][p][bold]pjwilk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mayfield sweeper[/bold] wrote: I think it's time we formed a break away club, Brighton and Hove AFC or something, all of us chip in what we can spare to get us up and running and into the Evostik league or wherever it is you start. Rent the Withdean as our home ground and try and get back into the league. We will be showing far more ambition than the suited bean counters in charge of the current albion set up. FC United of Manchester have shown the way forward.[/p][/quote]I agree it does not seem that the club has anything to do with the fans,lets go back to the Withdean where it was a fans team and Dick Knight had real ambition for the club.Bloom is only building up the infrastructure to sell the club at a big profit.The sooner the better.[/p][/quote]Idiotic post. Captain Haddock
  • Score: 1

5:42pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Crucial Point says...

This has all the makings of a farce...
This has all the makings of a farce... Crucial Point
  • Score: 5

5:43pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Dave5434 says...

It makes me laugh. Everyone who was having a go at Gus Poyet when he was sacked from the club. All he was doing was the best for the club. If I remember rightly he wanted to sign Ross MacCormack for £2.5 million, yet the board would not sanction it. Yet less than 2 years later MacCormack was sold to Fulham for around £11.5 million! If we had added that one player I think we would have been promoted by now. Yet now we need a good 6 or 7 quality players before we can even think of promotion to the top flight. We should have bent over backwards to give Poyet what he wanted. He was the best manager we ever had in my opinion.
It makes me laugh. Everyone who was having a go at Gus Poyet when he was sacked from the club. All he was doing was the best for the club. If I remember rightly he wanted to sign Ross MacCormack for £2.5 million, yet the board would not sanction it. Yet less than 2 years later MacCormack was sold to Fulham for around £11.5 million! If we had added that one player I think we would have been promoted by now. Yet now we need a good 6 or 7 quality players before we can even think of promotion to the top flight. We should have bent over backwards to give Poyet what he wanted. He was the best manager we ever had in my opinion. Dave5434
  • Score: 16

5:43pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Captain Haddock says...

Captain Haddock wrote:
Relegated 2015 wrote:
Captain Haddock wrote:
Relegated 2015 wrote:
Paulmarshall18 wrote:
20/1 to get relegated. Great value
I'm having £20 on that. It'll soften the blow.
Good luck to you Palace Jellynecks! You'll need it.
Sorry Haddock. I've been a Brighton fan for 35 years and have corresponded with you on the Wednesday forum many years ago. Chicksen left back? If we don't bring in ward? That just sums up how I feel and I do believe we're be relegated.
Ok chap (or chapess!). Fair enough. Although I'm thoroughly dissatisfied as a fan of exactly the same period of time as you (funnily enough), I don't share quite such a bleak outlook. We'll finish anywhere between 8th and 14th with the current squad IMHO.
Incidentally, what were we talking about on the Wednesday forum? I assume it was a debate with their lot about our fan base potential and their superiority complex? I seem to remember fun and frolics along those lines ;0)
[quote][p][bold]Captain Haddock[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Relegated 2015[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Captain Haddock[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Relegated 2015[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paulmarshall18[/bold] wrote: 20/1 to get relegated. Great value[/p][/quote]I'm having £20 on that. It'll soften the blow.[/p][/quote]Good luck to you Palace Jellynecks! You'll need it.[/p][/quote]Sorry Haddock. I've been a Brighton fan for 35 years and have corresponded with you on the Wednesday forum many years ago. Chicksen left back? If we don't bring in ward? That just sums up how I feel and I do believe we're be relegated.[/p][/quote]Ok chap (or chapess!). Fair enough. Although I'm thoroughly dissatisfied as a fan of exactly the same period of time as you (funnily enough), I don't share quite such a bleak outlook. We'll finish anywhere between 8th and 14th with the current squad IMHO.[/p][/quote]Incidentally, what were we talking about on the Wednesday forum? I assume it was a debate with their lot about our fan base potential and their superiority complex? I seem to remember fun and frolics along those lines ;0) Captain Haddock
  • Score: 2

5:45pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Aussie Mick says...

arc12 wrote:
Singing Seagull, Indonesia wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
Beale32 wrote:
Shame about clayton, but did the club actually want him? Did we put a offer on the table for him. We all know the club do not say who their targets are. Was clayton really a target or just a rumour that took off.
we will never know.

hoping for some good news soon.
Agreed.

Did we bid for him at all? Did we bid for him but not rate him quite as highly as perhaps Middlesbrough do? Is it all moot anyway due to our location?

So many unknowns, but so many quick to point the finger of blame. No facts are available, and until then opinions will be clouded in pre-existing bias.

I've already been accused of being Dunk's dad and Burke's PR agent, but I'm just someone who doesn't jump the gun. I'm also someone who won't criticize another living soul without actual evidence for doing so, and even then I will think twice and think hard before casting a stone.
Agreed Arnie. Whilst this latest saga, and the long slow journey to any significant Albion signings, are hugely frustrating, and it is easy to blame any or all of the Three Bs, none of us is privilege to the real facts or the real problems which have been encountered.

Clayton was touted by The Argus a being pen in hand ready to sign - and then he uses the pen to sign for Boro (it seems). Was AN reporting what he had been fed by the club? Or was he grasping at rumours (of which there were many) and hoping they were realistic? Would the club feed such info if there was a possibility of it not coming off? I guess if that's the case we have got problems... and I bet the Bs are not at all happy with the timing of this revelation.

It is indeed quite possible that Clayton had an issue with a complete relocation and that would be his call to make. Sometimes we forget that footballers are humans with their own opinions, preferences and family lives to consider. The one FACT is that none of us knows what happened in the Clayton issue and most likely we never will.

As supporters it is easy to believe we are going backwards, cursed with bad luck, or whatever, but I am still of the belief that TB is no mug. He's put a hell of a lot of money into this club and he would not be a good businessman if he let the playing side go to rack and ruin as that would significantly damage his investment. Some say he is angling to sell. Why would he allow the club to go backwards whilst doing so?

I hope and expect developments in the transfer market imminently. I expect loan deals to follow, hopefully with some exciting names coming in. 11th hour maybe, but something good will come and it may well be so far of left field that none of us saw it coming.

I don't think anyone wanted the pre-season to roll out like this, least of all the players or SH. But what has happened so far has happened, and it's been tough going for all true fans but it's what is yet to happen that I am still looking forward to. We have a history of massive twists and turns, but look where it has brought us to. Keep the faith.

As a wise man once said... "it will all be good in the end, and if it's not good now it just means it's not the end yet".

Now TB and others, prove my optimism isn't totally misplaced and GET SOME IN FFS!!!!

UTA!!
But we have such a poor record with last minute loans - that's my main worry now.
The wise man you quote who said 'it will all be good in the end' is John Lennon. But he also said , 'I am the walrus, I am the egg man'. so let's not get too carried away with that.
[quote][p][bold]arc12[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Singing Seagull, Indonesia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Beale32[/bold] wrote: Shame about clayton, but did the club actually want him? Did we put a offer on the table for him. We all know the club do not say who their targets are. Was clayton really a target or just a rumour that took off. we will never know. hoping for some good news soon.[/p][/quote]Agreed. Did we bid for him at all? Did we bid for him but not rate him quite as highly as perhaps Middlesbrough do? Is it all moot anyway due to our location? So many unknowns, but so many quick to point the finger of blame. No facts are available, and until then opinions will be clouded in pre-existing bias. I've already been accused of being Dunk's dad and Burke's PR agent, but I'm just someone who doesn't jump the gun. I'm also someone who won't criticize another living soul without actual evidence for doing so, and even then I will think twice and think hard before casting a stone.[/p][/quote]Agreed Arnie. Whilst this latest saga, and the long slow journey to any significant Albion signings, are hugely frustrating, and it is easy to blame any or all of the Three Bs, none of us is privilege to the real facts or the real problems which have been encountered. Clayton was touted by The Argus a being pen in hand ready to sign - and then he uses the pen to sign for Boro (it seems). Was AN reporting what he had been fed by the club? Or was he grasping at rumours (of which there were many) and hoping they were realistic? Would the club feed such info if there was a possibility of it not coming off? I guess if that's the case we have got problems... and I bet the Bs are not at all happy with the timing of this revelation. It is indeed quite possible that Clayton had an issue with a complete relocation and that would be his call to make. Sometimes we forget that footballers are humans with their own opinions, preferences and family lives to consider. The one FACT is that none of us knows what happened in the Clayton issue and most likely we never will. As supporters it is easy to believe we are going backwards, cursed with bad luck, or whatever, but I am still of the belief that TB is no mug. He's put a hell of a lot of money into this club and he would not be a good businessman if he let the playing side go to rack and ruin as that would significantly damage his investment. Some say he is angling to sell. Why would he allow the club to go backwards whilst doing so? I hope and expect developments in the transfer market imminently. I expect loan deals to follow, hopefully with some exciting names coming in. 11th hour maybe, but something good will come and it may well be so far of left field that none of us saw it coming. I don't think anyone wanted the pre-season to roll out like this, least of all the players or SH. But what has happened so far has happened, and it's been tough going for all true fans but it's what is yet to happen that I am still looking forward to. We have a history of massive twists and turns, but look where it has brought us to. Keep the faith. As a wise man once said... "it will all be good in the end, and if it's not good now it just means it's not the end yet". Now TB and others, prove my optimism isn't totally misplaced and GET SOME IN FFS!!!! UTA!![/p][/quote]But we have such a poor record with last minute loans - that's my main worry now.[/p][/quote]The wise man you quote who said 'it will all be good in the end' is John Lennon. But he also said , 'I am the walrus, I am the egg man'. so let's not get too carried away with that. Aussie Mick
  • Score: 4

5:46pm Tue 5 Aug 14

daughter-of-manag says...

Let's not forget what Andy Naylor reported: "Albion have lined up a triple boost to their squad. Transfer targets Sam Baldock, Adam Clayton and Stephen Ward are all expected to sign for the Seagulls."

Naylor stirred up the pot - facilitating discussion on the site (which it certainly did), so he will argue that he was being a good journalist. He neither supports the Albion, or cares about their fans.

When I read AN's report - I sensed that it was garbage, and that it would cause hope, expectations to rise, and immense frustration if it didn't come to pass. AN is no friend to BHA for posting lies. Most of us here are capable of looking at other sites (Sky blah blah), and if a journo gets paid from using the same resources, then what's the point of employing him?

I enjoy reading the banter on the site, but I can't stand the no-news headlines and rubbish content (apart from content obtained after the horse had bolted) written by the journalists. Like BHA need a few quality players... ditto the Argus in terms of journalists.

Poor show AN, and very poor show Burke, for facilitating such a debacle.

Ward will sign and that will be the only news.
Let's not forget what Andy Naylor reported: "Albion have lined up a triple boost to their squad. Transfer targets Sam Baldock, Adam Clayton and Stephen Ward are all expected to sign for the Seagulls." Naylor stirred up the pot - facilitating discussion on the site (which it certainly did), so he will argue that he was being a good journalist. He neither supports the Albion, or cares about their fans. When I read AN's report - I sensed that it was garbage, and that it would cause hope, expectations to rise, and immense frustration if it didn't come to pass. AN is no friend to BHA for posting lies. Most of us here are capable of looking at other sites (Sky blah blah), and if a journo gets paid from using the same resources, then what's the point of employing him? I enjoy reading the banter on the site, but I can't stand the no-news headlines and rubbish content (apart from content obtained after the horse had bolted) written by the journalists. Like BHA need a few quality players... ditto the Argus in terms of journalists. Poor show AN, and very poor show Burke, for facilitating such a debacle. Ward will sign and that will be the only news. daughter-of-manag
  • Score: 8

5:47pm Tue 5 Aug 14

mikeygit says...

Huddersfield Daily Examiner reports in the last half hour that Clayton about to sign----sounds a familiar headline---surely they cannot get it wrong twice. Why do we always seem to miss out.?????
Vegas---think you are right--I bet they have ALL the answers to fans questions tonight already worked out. I have a horrible feeling that it will be a waste of time as far as Fans are concerned---just hope some of those attending will at least make The Board feel a little uncomfortable!! IMO I feel we are in a worse position this year to start the season than last year---feel a little sorry for Sammi. Did he know what he was letting himself in for. Yes agree with comments that Bloom has brought the Club a long way with the stadium and Lancing but are we now hitting a brick wall with progress ON the field. Our existing players have really got to show us what they are made of and step up to the mark. BIG responsibilities on their shoulders and am not entirely confident some are ready for such a step up.
Huddersfield Daily Examiner reports in the last half hour that Clayton about to sign----sounds a familiar headline---surely they cannot get it wrong twice. Why do we always seem to miss out.????? Vegas---think you are right--I bet they have ALL the answers to fans questions tonight already worked out. I have a horrible feeling that it will be a waste of time as far as Fans are concerned---just hope some of those attending will at least make The Board feel a little uncomfortable!! IMO I feel we are in a worse position this year to start the season than last year---feel a little sorry for Sammi. Did he know what he was letting himself in for. Yes agree with comments that Bloom has brought the Club a long way with the stadium and Lancing but are we now hitting a brick wall with progress ON the field. Our existing players have really got to show us what they are made of and step up to the mark. BIG responsibilities on their shoulders and am not entirely confident some are ready for such a step up. mikeygit
  • Score: 2

5:52pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Captain Haddock says...

Aussie Mick wrote:
arc12 wrote:
Singing Seagull, Indonesia wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
Beale32 wrote:
Shame about clayton, but did the club actually want him? Did we put a offer on the table for him. We all know the club do not say who their targets are. Was clayton really a target or just a rumour that took off.
we will never know.

hoping for some good news soon.
Agreed.

Did we bid for him at all? Did we bid for him but not rate him quite as highly as perhaps Middlesbrough do? Is it all moot anyway due to our location?

So many unknowns, but so many quick to point the finger of blame. No facts are available, and until then opinions will be clouded in pre-existing bias.

I've already been accused of being Dunk's dad and Burke's PR agent, but I'm just someone who doesn't jump the gun. I'm also someone who won't criticize another living soul without actual evidence for doing so, and even then I will think twice and think hard before casting a stone.
Agreed Arnie. Whilst this latest saga, and the long slow journey to any significant Albion signings, are hugely frustrating, and it is easy to blame any or all of the Three Bs, none of us is privilege to the real facts or the real problems which have been encountered.

Clayton was touted by The Argus a being pen in hand ready to sign - and then he uses the pen to sign for Boro (it seems). Was AN reporting what he had been fed by the club? Or was he grasping at rumours (of which there were many) and hoping they were realistic? Would the club feed such info if there was a possibility of it not coming off? I guess if that's the case we have got problems... and I bet the Bs are not at all happy with the timing of this revelation.

It is indeed quite possible that Clayton had an issue with a complete relocation and that would be his call to make. Sometimes we forget that footballers are humans with their own opinions, preferences and family lives to consider. The one FACT is that none of us knows what happened in the Clayton issue and most likely we never will.

As supporters it is easy to believe we are going backwards, cursed with bad luck, or whatever, but I am still of the belief that TB is no mug. He's put a hell of a lot of money into this club and he would not be a good businessman if he let the playing side go to rack and ruin as that would significantly damage his investment. Some say he is angling to sell. Why would he allow the club to go backwards whilst doing so?

I hope and expect developments in the transfer market imminently. I expect loan deals to follow, hopefully with some exciting names coming in. 11th hour maybe, but something good will come and it may well be so far of left field that none of us saw it coming.

I don't think anyone wanted the pre-season to roll out like this, least of all the players or SH. But what has happened so far has happened, and it's been tough going for all true fans but it's what is yet to happen that I am still looking forward to. We have a history of massive twists and turns, but look where it has brought us to. Keep the faith.

As a wise man once said... "it will all be good in the end, and if it's not good now it just means it's not the end yet".

Now TB and others, prove my optimism isn't totally misplaced and GET SOME IN FFS!!!!

UTA!!
But we have such a poor record with last minute loans - that's my main worry now.
The wise man you quote who said 'it will all be good in the end' is John Lennon. But he also said , 'I am the walrus, I am the egg man'. so let's not get too carried away with that.
Haha! Well that cheered me up.
[quote][p][bold]Aussie Mick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]arc12[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Singing Seagull, Indonesia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Beale32[/bold] wrote: Shame about clayton, but did the club actually want him? Did we put a offer on the table for him. We all know the club do not say who their targets are. Was clayton really a target or just a rumour that took off. we will never know. hoping for some good news soon.[/p][/quote]Agreed. Did we bid for him at all? Did we bid for him but not rate him quite as highly as perhaps Middlesbrough do? Is it all moot anyway due to our location? So many unknowns, but so many quick to point the finger of blame. No facts are available, and until then opinions will be clouded in pre-existing bias. I've already been accused of being Dunk's dad and Burke's PR agent, but I'm just someone who doesn't jump the gun. I'm also someone who won't criticize another living soul without actual evidence for doing so, and even then I will think twice and think hard before casting a stone.[/p][/quote]Agreed Arnie. Whilst this latest saga, and the long slow journey to any significant Albion signings, are hugely frustrating, and it is easy to blame any or all of the Three Bs, none of us is privilege to the real facts or the real problems which have been encountered. Clayton was touted by The Argus a being pen in hand ready to sign - and then he uses the pen to sign for Boro (it seems). Was AN reporting what he had been fed by the club? Or was he grasping at rumours (of which there were many) and hoping they were realistic? Would the club feed such info if there was a possibility of it not coming off? I guess if that's the case we have got problems... and I bet the Bs are not at all happy with the timing of this revelation. It is indeed quite possible that Clayton had an issue with a complete relocation and that would be his call to make. Sometimes we forget that footballers are humans with their own opinions, preferences and family lives to consider. The one FACT is that none of us knows what happened in the Clayton issue and most likely we never will. As supporters it is easy to believe we are going backwards, cursed with bad luck, or whatever, but I am still of the belief that TB is no mug. He's put a hell of a lot of money into this club and he would not be a good businessman if he let the playing side go to rack and ruin as that would significantly damage his investment. Some say he is angling to sell. Why would he allow the club to go backwards whilst doing so? I hope and expect developments in the transfer market imminently. I expect loan deals to follow, hopefully with some exciting names coming in. 11th hour maybe, but something good will come and it may well be so far of left field that none of us saw it coming. I don't think anyone wanted the pre-season to roll out like this, least of all the players or SH. But what has happened so far has happened, and it's been tough going for all true fans but it's what is yet to happen that I am still looking forward to. We have a history of massive twists and turns, but look where it has brought us to. Keep the faith. As a wise man once said... "it will all be good in the end, and if it's not good now it just means it's not the end yet". Now TB and others, prove my optimism isn't totally misplaced and GET SOME IN FFS!!!! UTA!![/p][/quote]But we have such a poor record with last minute loans - that's my main worry now.[/p][/quote]The wise man you quote who said 'it will all be good in the end' is John Lennon. But he also said , 'I am the walrus, I am the egg man'. so let's not get too carried away with that.[/p][/quote]Haha! Well that cheered me up. Captain Haddock
  • Score: 2

5:52pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

Dave5434 wrote:
It makes me laugh. Everyone who was having a go at Gus Poyet when he was sacked from the club. All he was doing was the best for the club. If I remember rightly he wanted to sign Ross MacCormack for £2.5 million, yet the board would not sanction it. Yet less than 2 years later MacCormack was sold to Fulham for around £11.5 million! If we had added that one player I think we would have been promoted by now. Yet now we need a good 6 or 7 quality players before we can even think of promotion to the top flight. We should have bent over backwards to give Poyet what he wanted. He was the best manager we ever had in my opinion.
He may well have bankrupted us. We are now paying for his profligacy. Move on.
[quote][p][bold]Dave5434[/bold] wrote: It makes me laugh. Everyone who was having a go at Gus Poyet when he was sacked from the club. All he was doing was the best for the club. If I remember rightly he wanted to sign Ross MacCormack for £2.5 million, yet the board would not sanction it. Yet less than 2 years later MacCormack was sold to Fulham for around £11.5 million! If we had added that one player I think we would have been promoted by now. Yet now we need a good 6 or 7 quality players before we can even think of promotion to the top flight. We should have bent over backwards to give Poyet what he wanted. He was the best manager we ever had in my opinion.[/p][/quote]He may well have bankrupted us. We are now paying for his profligacy. Move on. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: -6

5:58pm Tue 5 Aug 14

namgo49 says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
The surprising thing about this deal is the numbers, I can't believe that we lost out on a top target when we are only looking at 1.5M maybe rising to 2M, I say, 'only,' due to the fact that we do have money available. I can't think it's a wages issue as we couldn't have spoken about that unless a bid had been accepted, which it wasn't.
It,s location. He maybe didn't want to move south. Often the way.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: The surprising thing about this deal is the numbers, I can't believe that we lost out on a top target when we are only looking at 1.5M maybe rising to 2M, I say, 'only,' due to the fact that we do have money available. I can't think it's a wages issue as we couldn't have spoken about that unless a bid had been accepted, which it wasn't.[/p][/quote]It,s location. He maybe didn't want to move south. Often the way. namgo49
  • Score: -2

6:00pm Tue 5 Aug 14

don't wanna do it like that says...

Bucket feet Duffy wrote:
heshootshescores wrote:
phil68 wrote:
"An Argus source in the North-East has confirmed Clayton is expected to sign for Boro this afternoon..."
Not all lost just yet, then...'the Argus source in N-East' may yet prove to be as cr*p and ill-informed as our Southern based Argus source, who had him signing for us just a few days ago...
Read the Middlesbrough Gazette...it's a done deal. Seems Teesside is more attractive than the South Coast. Or could it be Boro were willing to go an inch further, unlike Brighton, as we have witnessed time and time again? Could have had Grabban for one million (he's now worth three) if we weren't so intransigent about our wage structure.

But don't worry, we saved a few grand for Barber's bonus (NOT).
And the three or four thousand soles that won't be going unless things change will cost the club £3.5million.
The soles(sods)that are,have not renewed season ticket and only come to top games are not albion fans.
Let call them yuppies.

There are max 15000 die till i die.
[quote][p][bold]Bucket feet Duffy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]heshootshescores[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]phil68[/bold] wrote: "An Argus source in the North-East has confirmed Clayton is expected to sign for Boro this afternoon..." Not all lost just yet, then...'the Argus source in N-East' may yet prove to be as cr*p and ill-informed as our Southern based Argus source, who had him signing for us just a few days ago...[/p][/quote]Read the Middlesbrough Gazette...it's a done deal. Seems Teesside is more attractive than the South Coast. Or could it be Boro were willing to go an inch further, unlike Brighton, as we have witnessed time and time again? Could have had Grabban for one million (he's now worth three) if we weren't so intransigent about our wage structure. But don't worry, we saved a few grand for Barber's bonus (NOT).[/p][/quote]And the three or four thousand soles that won't be going unless things change will cost the club £3.5million.[/p][/quote]The soles(sods)that are,have not renewed season ticket and only come to top games are not albion fans. Let call them yuppies. There are max 15000 die till i die. don't wanna do it like that
  • Score: 3

6:03pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Singing Seagull, Indonesia says...

Captain Haddock wrote:
pjwilk wrote:
Mayfield sweeper wrote:
I think it's time we formed a break away club, Brighton and Hove AFC or something, all of us chip in what we can spare to get us up and running and into the Evostik league or wherever it is you start. Rent the Withdean as our home ground and try and get back into the league. We will be showing far more ambition than the suited bean counters in charge of the current albion set up. FC United of Manchester have shown the way forward.
I agree it does not seem that the club has anything to do with the fans,lets go back to the Withdean where it was a fans team and Dick Knight had real ambition for the club.Bloom is only building up the infrastructure to sell the club at a big profit.The sooner the better.
Idiotic post.
I'd be tempted to think that Mayfield Streetsweeper and pjwilk were one and the same person... except that Mayfield wouldn't actually know who Dick Knight is!
[quote][p][bold]Captain Haddock[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pjwilk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mayfield sweeper[/bold] wrote: I think it's time we formed a break away club, Brighton and Hove AFC or something, all of us chip in what we can spare to get us up and running and into the Evostik league or wherever it is you start. Rent the Withdean as our home ground and try and get back into the league. We will be showing far more ambition than the suited bean counters in charge of the current albion set up. FC United of Manchester have shown the way forward.[/p][/quote]I agree it does not seem that the club has anything to do with the fans,lets go back to the Withdean where it was a fans team and Dick Knight had real ambition for the club.Bloom is only building up the infrastructure to sell the club at a big profit.The sooner the better.[/p][/quote]Idiotic post.[/p][/quote]I'd be tempted to think that Mayfield Streetsweeper and pjwilk were one and the same person... except that Mayfield wouldn't actually know who Dick Knight is! Singing Seagull, Indonesia
  • Score: 4

6:05pm Tue 5 Aug 14

scottishb;ue says...

Sami said he was disappointed with the attendance against saints wait till next weeks cup game it,ll be lower I bet ? The club are taking our good money but not giving us a good product for it .
Sami said he was disappointed with the attendance against saints wait till next weeks cup game it,ll be lower I bet ? The club are taking our good money but not giving us a good product for it . scottishb;ue
  • Score: 9

6:05pm Tue 5 Aug 14

namgo49 says...

What would really really disappoint me would be that if Ward signed off say Reading instead of us. I think that would really show then the club's inability to get a deal done.
What would really really disappoint me would be that if Ward signed off say Reading instead of us. I think that would really show then the club's inability to get a deal done. namgo49
  • Score: 5

6:09pm Tue 5 Aug 14

dave from bexill says...

The local Middlesbrough newspaper employs an excellent Football correspondent who I know from my time in the north east bleeds Boro. He states that Boro have been after Clayton since May, seeing him as the guy to spark their midfield for what will be a 'serious' push for the premiership. They temporarily cooled their interest when Clayton's agent attempted a bidding war involving Albion, before coming in to close the deal, subject to a medical, for £1.5 mil, rising to £2mil. What Vickers (the correspondent) says, is that Clayton has "bought into the (Boro) project"
The local Middlesbrough newspaper employs an excellent Football correspondent who I know from my time in the north east bleeds Boro. He states that Boro have been after Clayton since May, seeing him as the guy to spark their midfield for what will be a 'serious' push for the premiership. They temporarily cooled their interest when Clayton's agent attempted a bidding war involving Albion, before coming in to close the deal, subject to a medical, for £1.5 mil, rising to £2mil. What Vickers (the correspondent) says, is that Clayton has "bought into the (Boro) project" dave from bexill
  • Score: 3

6:11pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Hazey James says...

Some people have very short memories and I am astounded at how impatient and ungrateful so many posters on here are.

We will never ever get a better owner than Tony Bloom. The guy is a life-long supporter and has ploughed £150m of his own money into the club and never taken a penny out. Never a penny of interest, never a penny of dividend. The money he has given has been as long term unsecured interest free loans, a significant proportion of which have been converted into equity. That is basically as near as you will get to writing the money the off - he knows full well he may never see it again.

Name another owner like him? If you can then they must number below 5 and I can guarantee there isn't another life-long supporter in the position to put more into the club.

In the last 4 seasons we have won the league and finished in the playoffs twice. Why would anyone think we won't again? When has Bloom let us down before?

Adam Clayton is one player, there are plenty of other midfielders out there and I genuinely believe we will have a competitive squad by the end of August. When have we not done?

We've never had it so good and it is embarrassing that so many "supporters" feel there is a problem and I don't relate to what they're saying at all.

As for anyone not renewing their season ticket because of a lack of investment in playing staff? Easy come, easy go. I'll still be there every week, same as the last 22 seasons, enjoying what is the greatest period in my time of going and what is arguable the greatest period in our entire history.

This club would be lower league fodder with Bloom and, with him, well never be again. People should remember that, have some patience and sit back and enjoy another season fighting it out in the top third of the Championship.
Some people have very short memories and I am astounded at how impatient and ungrateful so many posters on here are. We will never ever get a better owner than Tony Bloom. The guy is a life-long supporter and has ploughed £150m of his own money into the club and never taken a penny out. Never a penny of interest, never a penny of dividend. The money he has given has been as long term unsecured interest free loans, a significant proportion of which have been converted into equity. That is basically as near as you will get to writing the money the off - he knows full well he may never see it again. Name another owner like him? If you can then they must number below 5 and I can guarantee there isn't another life-long supporter in the position to put more into the club. In the last 4 seasons we have won the league and finished in the playoffs twice. Why would anyone think we won't again? When has Bloom let us down before? Adam Clayton is one player, there are plenty of other midfielders out there and I genuinely believe we will have a competitive squad by the end of August. When have we not done? We've never had it so good and it is embarrassing that so many "supporters" feel there is a problem and I don't relate to what they're saying at all. As for anyone not renewing their season ticket because of a lack of investment in playing staff? Easy come, easy go. I'll still be there every week, same as the last 22 seasons, enjoying what is the greatest period in my time of going and what is arguable the greatest period in our entire history. This club would be lower league fodder with Bloom and, with him, well never be again. People should remember that, have some patience and sit back and enjoy another season fighting it out in the top third of the Championship. Hazey James
  • Score: 8

6:12pm Tue 5 Aug 14

VegasSeagull says...

mikeygit wrote:
Huddersfield Daily Examiner reports in the last half hour that Clayton about to sign----sounds a familiar headline---surely they cannot get it wrong twice. Why do we always seem to miss out.?????
Vegas---think you are right--I bet they have ALL the answers to fans questions tonight already worked out. I have a horrible feeling that it will be a waste of time as far as Fans are concerned---just hope some of those attending will at least make The Board feel a little uncomfortable!! IMO I feel we are in a worse position this year to start the season than last year---feel a little sorry for Sammi. Did he know what he was letting himself in for. Yes agree with comments that Bloom has brought the Club a long way with the stadium and Lancing but are we now hitting a brick wall with progress ON the field. Our existing players have really got to show us what they are made of and step up to the mark. BIG responsibilities on their shoulders and am not entirely confident some are ready for such a step up.
Hi Mickey.

Oddly enough, even without three or four signings, we are not that far behind last season in terms of overall ability of the squad. My concern is that we have not improved the squad by a degree that is obvious, and with the amount of money we have available, I feel we should have. Losing Ulloa is a big hit, but we were never going to be able to keep him, and replacing him could be even harder.

Ince, Solly and JFC, imho, are all capable and they have nothced up some good playing time already at Champ Div level. The maddening thing for me is that we will be forced to rely on the lads once again, and we shouldn't be in that position. Crofts returning will help, and Stephens, once fit, will also help.

This situation could change in a heartbeat, we lose out on a purchase target so we extend our search in the loan area of the market. The prem clubs are still working hard on their squads, but as each day passes the closer we get to seeing just who is available to borrow.

I don't think that the club has handled our transfer business, or lack there of, very well, but they could redeem themselves by completing two or three high profile loan deals. If we can't get good players one way, then we get them another way. As I suggested a few days ago, I would not be surprised if our market dealing goes all the way to the end of the window/windows.
[quote][p][bold]mikeygit[/bold] wrote: Huddersfield Daily Examiner reports in the last half hour that Clayton about to sign----sounds a familiar headline---surely they cannot get it wrong twice. Why do we always seem to miss out.????? Vegas---think you are right--I bet they have ALL the answers to fans questions tonight already worked out. I have a horrible feeling that it will be a waste of time as far as Fans are concerned---just hope some of those attending will at least make The Board feel a little uncomfortable!! IMO I feel we are in a worse position this year to start the season than last year---feel a little sorry for Sammi. Did he know what he was letting himself in for. Yes agree with comments that Bloom has brought the Club a long way with the stadium and Lancing but are we now hitting a brick wall with progress ON the field. Our existing players have really got to show us what they are made of and step up to the mark. BIG responsibilities on their shoulders and am not entirely confident some are ready for such a step up.[/p][/quote]Hi Mickey. Oddly enough, even without three or four signings, we are not that far behind last season in terms of overall ability of the squad. My concern is that we have not improved the squad by a degree that is obvious, and with the amount of money we have available, I feel we should have. Losing Ulloa is a big hit, but we were never going to be able to keep him, and replacing him could be even harder. Ince, Solly and JFC, imho, are all capable and they have nothced up some good playing time already at Champ Div level. The maddening thing for me is that we will be forced to rely on the lads once again, and we shouldn't be in that position. Crofts returning will help, and Stephens, once fit, will also help. This situation could change in a heartbeat, we lose out on a purchase target so we extend our search in the loan area of the market. The prem clubs are still working hard on their squads, but as each day passes the closer we get to seeing just who is available to borrow. I don't think that the club has handled our transfer business, or lack there of, very well, but they could redeem themselves by completing two or three high profile loan deals. If we can't get good players one way, then we get them another way. As I suggested a few days ago, I would not be surprised if our market dealing goes all the way to the end of the window/windows. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 1

6:14pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Mayfield sweeper says...

Things are as bad as I've known at the albion, no money, no players, fall outs with managers, a wall of silence from those running the show and disgruntled supporters wanting answers. We're right back to the drama of the Dick Knight era, last days of the goldstone and Gillingham and Withdean saga. Tonight's forum may require police in full riot gear to keep proceedings in order. Wouldn't be surprised if it gets 'mysteriously cancelled'.
Things are as bad as I've known at the albion, no money, no players, fall outs with managers, a wall of silence from those running the show and disgruntled supporters wanting answers. We're right back to the drama of the Dick Knight era, last days of the goldstone and Gillingham and Withdean saga. Tonight's forum may require police in full riot gear to keep proceedings in order. Wouldn't be surprised if it gets 'mysteriously cancelled'. Mayfield sweeper
  • Score: -18

6:14pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Captain Haddock says...

dave from bexill wrote:
The local Middlesbrough newspaper employs an excellent Football correspondent who I know from my time in the north east bleeds Boro. He states that Boro have been after Clayton since May, seeing him as the guy to spark their midfield for what will be a 'serious' push for the premiership. They temporarily cooled their interest when Clayton's agent attempted a bidding war involving Albion, before coming in to close the deal, subject to a medical, for £1.5 mil, rising to £2mil. What Vickers (the correspondent) says, is that Clayton has "bought into the (Boro) project"
Thanks for that info, Dave. Adds a bit more info to the equation. However, if true, it means either we didn't meet the fee or if we did, couldn't sell our "project" above their's, unless location did make a difference of course. Your post suggests project above location. Disappointing if so.
[quote][p][bold]dave from bexill[/bold] wrote: The local Middlesbrough newspaper employs an excellent Football correspondent who I know from my time in the north east bleeds Boro. He states that Boro have been after Clayton since May, seeing him as the guy to spark their midfield for what will be a 'serious' push for the premiership. They temporarily cooled their interest when Clayton's agent attempted a bidding war involving Albion, before coming in to close the deal, subject to a medical, for £1.5 mil, rising to £2mil. What Vickers (the correspondent) says, is that Clayton has "bought into the (Boro) project"[/p][/quote]Thanks for that info, Dave. Adds a bit more info to the equation. However, if true, it means either we didn't meet the fee or if we did, couldn't sell our "project" above their's, unless location did make a difference of course. Your post suggests project above location. Disappointing if so. Captain Haddock
  • Score: 5

6:17pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Relegated 2015 says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Prediction.

When asked about the Clayton deal falling thru, Bloom will reply by telling of the lads wish NOT to move south. This info would have been past to Bloom during talks between the two clubs, money was not an issue.

Rightly or wrongly, that answer will remove the club from all responsibilty in NOT getting the player.
this being the same reason that Conway offered when he declined our adavances, he wanted to stay closer to his extended family.
Why come here on loan then if he loved his family so much?
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Prediction. When asked about the Clayton deal falling thru, Bloom will reply by telling of the lads wish NOT to move south. This info would have been past to Bloom during talks between the two clubs, money was not an issue. Rightly or wrongly, that answer will remove the club from all responsibilty in NOT getting the player.[/p][/quote]this being the same reason that Conway offered when he declined our adavances, he wanted to stay closer to his extended family.[/p][/quote]Why come here on loan then if he loved his family so much? Relegated 2015
  • Score: -1

6:25pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Captain Haddock says...

Relegated 2015 wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Prediction.

When asked about the Clayton deal falling thru, Bloom will reply by telling of the lads wish NOT to move south. This info would have been past to Bloom during talks between the two clubs, money was not an issue.

Rightly or wrongly, that answer will remove the club from all responsibilty in NOT getting the player.
this being the same reason that Conway offered when he declined our adavances, he wanted to stay closer to his extended family.
Why come here on loan then if he loved his family so much?
Good point.
[quote][p][bold]Relegated 2015[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Prediction. When asked about the Clayton deal falling thru, Bloom will reply by telling of the lads wish NOT to move south. This info would have been past to Bloom during talks between the two clubs, money was not an issue. Rightly or wrongly, that answer will remove the club from all responsibilty in NOT getting the player.[/p][/quote]this being the same reason that Conway offered when he declined our adavances, he wanted to stay closer to his extended family.[/p][/quote]Why come here on loan then if he loved his family so much?[/p][/quote]Good point. Captain Haddock
  • Score: 0

6:26pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Piglet1 says...

dave from bexill wrote:
Piglet1 wrote:
It's a disappointing yes but calm down as there will be other targets who will be being pursued. We do not get Clayton but this leaves room for another.
I am sure the proximity was a major factor to Clayton and there is not much we can do about that, the strange thing is that the club and others thought he was coming. I guess he changed his mind, we all have the right to do that.
Don't panic and jump to conclusions that everything is in freefall. We are in a much better state than many of the teams in the Championship.
So why are you sure "proximity was a major factor".
having to uproot family and move five hours drive away against an hour or so up the road has to be a major factor in anyone's thinking. It is a sensible generalised comment, not the only factor I grant you but certainly a major one.
[quote][p][bold]dave from bexill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Piglet1[/bold] wrote: It's a disappointing yes but calm down as there will be other targets who will be being pursued. We do not get Clayton but this leaves room for another. I am sure the proximity was a major factor to Clayton and there is not much we can do about that, the strange thing is that the club and others thought he was coming. I guess he changed his mind, we all have the right to do that. Don't panic and jump to conclusions that everything is in freefall. We are in a much better state than many of the teams in the Championship.[/p][/quote]So why are you sure "proximity was a major factor".[/p][/quote]having to uproot family and move five hours drive away against an hour or so up the road has to be a major factor in anyone's thinking. It is a sensible generalised comment, not the only factor I grant you but certainly a major one. Piglet1
  • Score: 3

6:29pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Hazey James says...

Hazey James wrote:
Some people have very short memories and I am astounded at how impatient and ungrateful so many posters on here are.

We will never ever get a better owner than Tony Bloom. The guy is a life-long supporter and has ploughed £150m of his own money into the club and never taken a penny out. Never a penny of interest, never a penny of dividend. The money he has given has been as long term unsecured interest free loans, a significant proportion of which have been converted into equity. That is basically as near as you will get to writing the money the off - he knows full well he may never see it again.

Name another owner like him? If you can then they must number below 5 and I can guarantee there isn't another life-long supporter in the position to put more into the club.

In the last 4 seasons we have won the league and finished in the playoffs twice. Why would anyone think we won't again? When has Bloom let us down before?

Adam Clayton is one player, there are plenty of other midfielders out there and I genuinely believe we will have a competitive squad by the end of August. When have we not done?

We've never had it so good and it is embarrassing that so many "supporters" feel there is a problem and I don't relate to what they're saying at all.

As for anyone not renewing their season ticket because of a lack of investment in playing staff? Easy come, easy go. I'll still be there every week, same as the last 22 seasons, enjoying what is the greatest period in my time of going and what is arguable the greatest period in our entire history.

This club would be lower league fodder with Bloom and, with him, well never be again. People should remember that, have some patience and sit back and enjoy another season fighting it out in the top third of the Championship.
That last bit is meant to say:
This club would be lower league fodder withOUT Bloom and, with him, we'll never be again. People should remember that, have some patience and sit back and enjoy another season fighting it out in the top third of the Championship.
[quote][p][bold]Hazey James[/bold] wrote: Some people have very short memories and I am astounded at how impatient and ungrateful so many posters on here are. We will never ever get a better owner than Tony Bloom. The guy is a life-long supporter and has ploughed £150m of his own money into the club and never taken a penny out. Never a penny of interest, never a penny of dividend. The money he has given has been as long term unsecured interest free loans, a significant proportion of which have been converted into equity. That is basically as near as you will get to writing the money the off - he knows full well he may never see it again. Name another owner like him? If you can then they must number below 5 and I can guarantee there isn't another life-long supporter in the position to put more into the club. In the last 4 seasons we have won the league and finished in the playoffs twice. Why would anyone think we won't again? When has Bloom let us down before? Adam Clayton is one player, there are plenty of other midfielders out there and I genuinely believe we will have a competitive squad by the end of August. When have we not done? We've never had it so good and it is embarrassing that so many "supporters" feel there is a problem and I don't relate to what they're saying at all. As for anyone not renewing their season ticket because of a lack of investment in playing staff? Easy come, easy go. I'll still be there every week, same as the last 22 seasons, enjoying what is the greatest period in my time of going and what is arguable the greatest period in our entire history. This club would be lower league fodder with Bloom and, with him, well never be again. People should remember that, have some patience and sit back and enjoy another season fighting it out in the top third of the Championship.[/p][/quote]That last bit is meant to say: This club would be lower league fodder withOUT Bloom and, with him, we'll never be again. People should remember that, have some patience and sit back and enjoy another season fighting it out in the top third of the Championship. Hazey James
  • Score: -2

6:30pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

Captain Haddock wrote:
Relegated 2015 wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Prediction.

When asked about the Clayton deal falling thru, Bloom will reply by telling of the lads wish NOT to move south. This info would have been past to Bloom during talks between the two clubs, money was not an issue.

Rightly or wrongly, that answer will remove the club from all responsibilty in NOT getting the player.
this being the same reason that Conway offered when he declined our adavances, he wanted to stay closer to his extended family.
Why come here on loan then if he loved his family so much?
Good point.
A loan for a few months can be done with his family staying where they were. Signing permanently means moving house. I would go on loan anywhere in the world for three/four months, but would be far more circumspect about moving for good.
[quote][p][bold]Captain Haddock[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Relegated 2015[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Prediction. When asked about the Clayton deal falling thru, Bloom will reply by telling of the lads wish NOT to move south. This info would have been past to Bloom during talks between the two clubs, money was not an issue. Rightly or wrongly, that answer will remove the club from all responsibilty in NOT getting the player.[/p][/quote]this being the same reason that Conway offered when he declined our adavances, he wanted to stay closer to his extended family.[/p][/quote]Why come here on loan then if he loved his family so much?[/p][/quote]Good point.[/p][/quote]A loan for a few months can be done with his family staying where they were. Signing permanently means moving house. I would go on loan anywhere in the world for three/four months, but would be far more circumspect about moving for good. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 0

6:31pm Tue 5 Aug 14

gordongull says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
Dave5434 wrote:
It makes me laugh. Everyone who was having a go at Gus Poyet when he was sacked from the club. All he was doing was the best for the club. If I remember rightly he wanted to sign Ross MacCormack for £2.5 million, yet the board would not sanction it. Yet less than 2 years later MacCormack was sold to Fulham for around £11.5 million! If we had added that one player I think we would have been promoted by now. Yet now we need a good 6 or 7 quality players before we can even think of promotion to the top flight. We should have bent over backwards to give Poyet what he wanted. He was the best manager we ever had in my opinion.
He may well have bankrupted us. We are now paying for his profligacy. Move on.
Gus almost got us promoted to the Premier League, Ex-pat Arnie, with the full backing of Tony Bloom for every player that he signed.
I think it is a very harsh criticism of our former Manager to say we are now paying for his profligacy. He was working with the funds that were made available to him.
What is wrong with that?
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dave5434[/bold] wrote: It makes me laugh. Everyone who was having a go at Gus Poyet when he was sacked from the club. All he was doing was the best for the club. If I remember rightly he wanted to sign Ross MacCormack for £2.5 million, yet the board would not sanction it. Yet less than 2 years later MacCormack was sold to Fulham for around £11.5 million! If we had added that one player I think we would have been promoted by now. Yet now we need a good 6 or 7 quality players before we can even think of promotion to the top flight. We should have bent over backwards to give Poyet what he wanted. He was the best manager we ever had in my opinion.[/p][/quote]He may well have bankrupted us. We are now paying for his profligacy. Move on.[/p][/quote]Gus almost got us promoted to the Premier League, Ex-pat Arnie, with the full backing of Tony Bloom for every player that he signed. I think it is a very harsh criticism of our former Manager to say we are now paying for his profligacy. He was working with the funds that were made available to him. What is wrong with that? gordongull
  • Score: 10

6:34pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Hazey James says...

Mayfield sweeper wrote:
Things are as bad as I've known at the albion, no money, no players, fall outs with managers, a wall of silence from those running the show and disgruntled supporters wanting answers. We're right back to the drama of the Dick Knight era, last days of the goldstone and Gillingham and Withdean saga. Tonight's forum may require police in full riot gear to keep proceedings in order. Wouldn't be surprised if it gets 'mysteriously cancelled'.
That is one of the most risible comments I have ever seen. Utter nonsense and actually quite offensive - I presume that was the intention.

The club has never been in a better position and you must have a very sad little life if the only pleasure you get is in trying to wind up people who have watched their club nearly go out of business 15 years ago and can finally enjoy long awaited good times.

You would clearly like the club to stop doing so well and therefore, in my opinion, I long for the day when your comments don't tarnish the local paper's website.
[quote][p][bold]Mayfield sweeper[/bold] wrote: Things are as bad as I've known at the albion, no money, no players, fall outs with managers, a wall of silence from those running the show and disgruntled supporters wanting answers. We're right back to the drama of the Dick Knight era, last days of the goldstone and Gillingham and Withdean saga. Tonight's forum may require police in full riot gear to keep proceedings in order. Wouldn't be surprised if it gets 'mysteriously cancelled'.[/p][/quote]That is one of the most risible comments I have ever seen. Utter nonsense and actually quite offensive - I presume that was the intention. The club has never been in a better position and you must have a very sad little life if the only pleasure you get is in trying to wind up people who have watched their club nearly go out of business 15 years ago and can finally enjoy long awaited good times. You would clearly like the club to stop doing so well and therefore, in my opinion, I long for the day when your comments don't tarnish the local paper's website. Hazey James
  • Score: 3

6:41pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Beale32 says...

Singing Seagull, Indonesia wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
Beale32 wrote:
Shame about clayton, but did the club actually want him? Did we put a offer on the table for him. We all know the club do not say who their targets are. Was clayton really a target or just a rumour that took off.
we will never know.

hoping for some good news soon.
Agreed.

Did we bid for him at all? Did we bid for him but not rate him quite as highly as perhaps Middlesbrough do? Is it all moot anyway due to our location?

So many unknowns, but so many quick to point the finger of blame. No facts are available, and until then opinions will be clouded in pre-existing bias.

I've already been accused of being Dunk's dad and Burke's PR agent, but I'm just someone who doesn't jump the gun. I'm also someone who won't criticize another living soul without actual evidence for doing so, and even then I will think twice and think hard before casting a stone.
Agreed Arnie. Whilst this latest saga, and the long slow journey to any significant Albion signings, are hugely frustrating, and it is easy to blame any or all of the Three Bs, none of us is privilege to the real facts or the real problems which have been encountered.

Clayton was touted by The Argus a being pen in hand ready to sign - and then he uses the pen to sign for Boro (it seems). Was AN reporting what he had been fed by the club? Or was he grasping at rumours (of which there were many) and hoping they were realistic? Would the club feed such info if there was a possibility of it not coming off? I guess if that's the case we have got problems... and I bet the Bs are not at all happy with the timing of this revelation.

It is indeed quite possible that Clayton had an issue with a complete relocation and that would be his call to make. Sometimes we forget that footballers are humans with their own opinions, preferences and family lives to consider. The one FACT is that none of us knows what happened in the Clayton issue and most likely we never will.

As supporters it is easy to believe we are going backwards, cursed with bad luck, or whatever, but I am still of the belief that TB is no mug. He's put a hell of a lot of money into this club and he would not be a good businessman if he let the playing side go to rack and ruin as that would significantly damage his investment. Some say he is angling to sell. Why would he allow the club to go backwards whilst doing so?

I hope and expect developments in the transfer market imminently. I expect loan deals to follow, hopefully with some exciting names coming in. 11th hour maybe, but something good will come and it may well be so far of left field that none of us saw it coming.

I don't think anyone wanted the pre-season to roll out like this, least of all the players or SH. But what has happened so far has happened, and it's been tough going for all true fans but it's what is yet to happen that I am still looking forward to. We have a history of massive twists and turns, but look where it has brought us to. Keep the faith.

As a wise man once said... "it will all be good in the end, and if it's not good now it just means it's not the end yet".

Now TB and others, prove my optimism isn't totally misplaced and GET SOME IN FFS!!!!

UTA!!
Couldn't agree more
[quote][p][bold]Singing Seagull, Indonesia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Beale32[/bold] wrote: Shame about clayton, but did the club actually want him? Did we put a offer on the table for him. We all know the club do not say who their targets are. Was clayton really a target or just a rumour that took off. we will never know. hoping for some good news soon.[/p][/quote]Agreed. Did we bid for him at all? Did we bid for him but not rate him quite as highly as perhaps Middlesbrough do? Is it all moot anyway due to our location? So many unknowns, but so many quick to point the finger of blame. No facts are available, and until then opinions will be clouded in pre-existing bias. I've already been accused of being Dunk's dad and Burke's PR agent, but I'm just someone who doesn't jump the gun. I'm also someone who won't criticize another living soul without actual evidence for doing so, and even then I will think twice and think hard before casting a stone.[/p][/quote]Agreed Arnie. Whilst this latest saga, and the long slow journey to any significant Albion signings, are hugely frustrating, and it is easy to blame any or all of the Three Bs, none of us is privilege to the real facts or the real problems which have been encountered. Clayton was touted by The Argus a being pen in hand ready to sign - and then he uses the pen to sign for Boro (it seems). Was AN reporting what he had been fed by the club? Or was he grasping at rumours (of which there were many) and hoping they were realistic? Would the club feed such info if there was a possibility of it not coming off? I guess if that's the case we have got problems... and I bet the Bs are not at all happy with the timing of this revelation. It is indeed quite possible that Clayton had an issue with a complete relocation and that would be his call to make. Sometimes we forget that footballers are humans with their own opinions, preferences and family lives to consider. The one FACT is that none of us knows what happened in the Clayton issue and most likely we never will. As supporters it is easy to believe we are going backwards, cursed with bad luck, or whatever, but I am still of the belief that TB is no mug. He's put a hell of a lot of money into this club and he would not be a good businessman if he let the playing side go to rack and ruin as that would significantly damage his investment. Some say he is angling to sell. Why would he allow the club to go backwards whilst doing so? I hope and expect developments in the transfer market imminently. I expect loan deals to follow, hopefully with some exciting names coming in. 11th hour maybe, but something good will come and it may well be so far of left field that none of us saw it coming. I don't think anyone wanted the pre-season to roll out like this, least of all the players or SH. But what has happened so far has happened, and it's been tough going for all true fans but it's what is yet to happen that I am still looking forward to. We have a history of massive twists and turns, but look where it has brought us to. Keep the faith. As a wise man once said... "it will all be good in the end, and if it's not good now it just means it's not the end yet". Now TB and others, prove my optimism isn't totally misplaced and GET SOME IN FFS!!!! UTA!![/p][/quote]Couldn't agree more Beale32
  • Score: 3

6:43pm Tue 5 Aug 14

mark by the sea says...

JeffLomer wrote:
Moving to Boro for Clayton makes sense to him and his family, he can either commute where he lives now, or move to the exclusive estate at wynyards where a lot off footballers live, ten mins from training!!

Shame though I rate Clayton, we keep looking and hoping!!
Up the Albion!!
What rubbish, he was close to signing , so I guess he nee brighton was south!
It comes down to money, we either got blown out of the water by Boro, or they offered Clayton more money, we seem to dither while other clubs jump in and snatch players,
As for blaming the argus, I think this nugget was given to the argus ,thinking it was going to happen!
We simply take to long to grab a player, we need to impress him from day one , and match wages other clubs offer.
[quote][p][bold]JeffLomer[/bold] wrote: Moving to Boro for Clayton makes sense to him and his family, he can either commute where he lives now, or move to the exclusive estate at wynyards where a lot off footballers live, ten mins from training!! Shame though I rate Clayton, we keep looking and hoping!! Up the Albion!![/p][/quote]What rubbish, he was close to signing , so I guess he nee brighton was south! It comes down to money, we either got blown out of the water by Boro, or they offered Clayton more money, we seem to dither while other clubs jump in and snatch players, As for blaming the argus, I think this nugget was given to the argus ,thinking it was going to happen! We simply take to long to grab a player, we need to impress him from day one , and match wages other clubs offer. mark by the sea
  • Score: -3

6:44pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

gordongull wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
Dave5434 wrote:
It makes me laugh. Everyone who was having a go at Gus Poyet when he was sacked from the club. All he was doing was the best for the club. If I remember rightly he wanted to sign Ross MacCormack for £2.5 million, yet the board would not sanction it. Yet less than 2 years later MacCormack was sold to Fulham for around £11.5 million! If we had added that one player I think we would have been promoted by now. Yet now we need a good 6 or 7 quality players before we can even think of promotion to the top flight. We should have bent over backwards to give Poyet what he wanted. He was the best manager we ever had in my opinion.
He may well have bankrupted us. We are now paying for his profligacy. Move on.
Gus almost got us promoted to the Premier League, Ex-pat Arnie, with the full backing of Tony Bloom for every player that he signed.
I think it is a very harsh criticism of our former Manager to say we are now paying for his profligacy. He was working with the funds that were made available to him.
What is wrong with that?
Indeed he very nearly did, and perhaps would have done had he actually prepared properly for the play-offs against Palace. However, he didn't get us up and that level of spending has proven to be unsustainable, which leads to the inevitable conclusion that had he kept us spending - unless he could guarantee promotion - we may have got into serious problems.

I'm not in any way saying he was at fault for his spending, but he threw his toys out of the prams when he was told it was a one-shot gamble that had not quite succeeded.
[quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dave5434[/bold] wrote: It makes me laugh. Everyone who was having a go at Gus Poyet when he was sacked from the club. All he was doing was the best for the club. If I remember rightly he wanted to sign Ross MacCormack for £2.5 million, yet the board would not sanction it. Yet less than 2 years later MacCormack was sold to Fulham for around £11.5 million! If we had added that one player I think we would have been promoted by now. Yet now we need a good 6 or 7 quality players before we can even think of promotion to the top flight. We should have bent over backwards to give Poyet what he wanted. He was the best manager we ever had in my opinion.[/p][/quote]He may well have bankrupted us. We are now paying for his profligacy. Move on.[/p][/quote]Gus almost got us promoted to the Premier League, Ex-pat Arnie, with the full backing of Tony Bloom for every player that he signed. I think it is a very harsh criticism of our former Manager to say we are now paying for his profligacy. He was working with the funds that were made available to him. What is wrong with that?[/p][/quote]Indeed he very nearly did, and perhaps would have done had he actually prepared properly for the play-offs against Palace. However, he didn't get us up and that level of spending has proven to be unsustainable, which leads to the inevitable conclusion that had he kept us spending - unless he could guarantee promotion - we may have got into serious problems. I'm not in any way saying he was at fault for his spending, but he threw his toys out of the prams when he was told it was a one-shot gamble that had not quite succeeded. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: -1

6:45pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Albion In Staffs says...

There has been much criticism of the Argus and its writers for publishing their 'trio set to sign" story at the weekend, but I wouldn't mind betting they're as hacked off professionally as we are as fans.
In my experience, a paper will only run a story of that strength if they're confident it's come from a good source. I reckon that source will be the club - or someone incredibly close to it - because they are/were the single common denominator, i.e. the buying club in all three cases.
Either way, I really don't think you can blame the Argus on this one, because I don't believe they'd fly a kite that high without asking which way the wind was blowing.
Anyway, I feel sorry for SH at the forum and I think he's now in an incredibly difficult position as far as tonight goes. What on earth does he say that doesn't sound like an excuse on behalf of the collective?
He's already acknowledged we need to add quality, but with four days to go, there's no sign of any success - only a growing list of failure.
Throughout the summer, I've been one of many who has advocated patience in the market. It's difficult to be quite so supportive at the moment.
There has been much criticism of the Argus and its writers for publishing their 'trio set to sign" story at the weekend, but I wouldn't mind betting they're as hacked off professionally as we are as fans. In my experience, a paper will only run a story of that strength if they're confident it's come from a good source. I reckon that source will be the club - or someone incredibly close to it - because they are/were the single common denominator, i.e. the buying club in all three cases. Either way, I really don't think you can blame the Argus on this one, because I don't believe they'd fly a kite that high without asking which way the wind was blowing. Anyway, I feel sorry for SH at the forum and I think he's now in an incredibly difficult position as far as tonight goes. What on earth does he say that doesn't sound like an excuse on behalf of the collective? He's already acknowledged we need to add quality, but with four days to go, there's no sign of any success - only a growing list of failure. Throughout the summer, I've been one of many who has advocated patience in the market. It's difficult to be quite so supportive at the moment. Albion In Staffs
  • Score: -3

6:47pm Tue 5 Aug 14

mark by the sea says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
Captain Haddock wrote:
Relegated 2015 wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Prediction.

When asked about the Clayton deal falling thru, Bloom will reply by telling of the lads wish NOT to move south. This info would have been past to Bloom during talks between the two clubs, money was not an issue.

Rightly or wrongly, that answer will remove the club from all responsibilty in NOT getting the player.
this being the same reason that Conway offered when he declined our adavances, he wanted to stay closer to his extended family.
Why come here on loan then if he loved his family so much?
Good point.
A loan for a few months can be done with his family staying where they were. Signing permanently means moving house. I would go on loan anywhere in the world for three/four months, but would be far more circumspect about moving for good.
Sorry Arnie, he said when he left he loved it down here, and wanted to return, you lick the clubs pr right up.
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Captain Haddock[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Relegated 2015[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Prediction. When asked about the Clayton deal falling thru, Bloom will reply by telling of the lads wish NOT to move south. This info would have been past to Bloom during talks between the two clubs, money was not an issue. Rightly or wrongly, that answer will remove the club from all responsibilty in NOT getting the player.[/p][/quote]this being the same reason that Conway offered when he declined our adavances, he wanted to stay closer to his extended family.[/p][/quote]Why come here on loan then if he loved his family so much?[/p][/quote]Good point.[/p][/quote]A loan for a few months can be done with his family staying where they were. Signing permanently means moving house. I would go on loan anywhere in the world for three/four months, but would be far more circumspect about moving for good.[/p][/quote]Sorry Arnie, he said when he left he loved it down here, and wanted to return, you lick the clubs pr right up. mark by the sea
  • Score: 0

6:48pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

Interesting Tweets:

Andy Naylor @AndyNaylorArgus
Re: the three targets. They all have been. Info came from a well-placed source. No power over whether or not #bhafc get deals over the line.
16m

Andy Naylor @AndyNaylorArgus
Long list of fairly obvious reasons why intended deals may not happen - fee, wages, geography, family etc, etc. #bhafc
16m

Andy Naylor @AndyNaylorArgus
@seagulls72 There is another one in particular I know #bhafc are working on. Cannot divulge at this stage.
14m

Andy Naylor @AndyNaylorArgus
@JamesAlbion_ "lined up", "expected", "could be". No "dead certain" or "will".
12m

Andy Naylor @AndyNaylorArgus
@jasonseaby I work for a newspaper, not the club website.
8m
Interesting Tweets: Andy Naylor @AndyNaylorArgus Re: the three targets. They all have been. Info came from a well-placed source. No power over whether or not #bhafc get deals over the line. 16m Andy Naylor @AndyNaylorArgus Long list of fairly obvious reasons why intended deals may not happen - fee, wages, geography, family etc, etc. #bhafc 16m Andy Naylor @AndyNaylorArgus @seagulls72 There is another one in particular I know #bhafc are working on. Cannot divulge at this stage. 14m Andy Naylor @AndyNaylorArgus @JamesAlbion_ "lined up", "expected", "could be". No "dead certain" or "will". 12m Andy Naylor @AndyNaylorArgus @jasonseaby I work for a newspaper, not the club website. 8m Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: -1

6:52pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Albion In Staffs says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
Interesting Tweets:

Andy Naylor @AndyNaylorArgus
Re: the three targets. They all have been. Info came from a well-placed source. No power over whether or not #bhafc get deals over the line.
16m

Andy Naylor @AndyNaylorArgus
Long list of fairly obvious reasons why intended deals may not happen - fee, wages, geography, family etc, etc. #bhafc
16m

Andy Naylor @AndyNaylorArgus
@seagulls72 There is another one in particular I know #bhafc are working on. Cannot divulge at this stage.
14m

Andy Naylor @AndyNaylorArgus
@JamesAlbion_ "lined up", "expected", "could be". No "dead certain" or "will".
12m

Andy Naylor @AndyNaylorArgus
@jasonseaby I work for a newspaper, not the club website.
8m
I feel his pain.
He's clearly been given information and used it in good faith. Now, in the eyes of many, it's his fault.
It's not.
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: Interesting Tweets: Andy Naylor @AndyNaylorArgus Re: the three targets. They all have been. Info came from a well-placed source. No power over whether or not #bhafc get deals over the line. 16m Andy Naylor @AndyNaylorArgus Long list of fairly obvious reasons why intended deals may not happen - fee, wages, geography, family etc, etc. #bhafc 16m Andy Naylor @AndyNaylorArgus @seagulls72 There is another one in particular I know #bhafc are working on. Cannot divulge at this stage. 14m Andy Naylor @AndyNaylorArgus @JamesAlbion_ "lined up", "expected", "could be". No "dead certain" or "will". 12m Andy Naylor @AndyNaylorArgus @jasonseaby I work for a newspaper, not the club website. 8m[/p][/quote]I feel his pain. He's clearly been given information and used it in good faith. Now, in the eyes of many, it's his fault. It's not. Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 4

6:52pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
Captain Haddock wrote:
Relegated 2015 wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Prediction.

When asked about the Clayton deal falling thru, Bloom will reply by telling of the lads wish NOT to move south. This info would have been past to Bloom during talks between the two clubs, money was not an issue.

Rightly or wrongly, that answer will remove the club from all responsibilty in NOT getting the player.
this being the same reason that Conway offered when he declined our adavances, he wanted to stay closer to his extended family.
Why come here on loan then if he loved his family so much?
Good point.
A loan for a few months can be done with his family staying where they were. Signing permanently means moving house. I would go on loan anywhere in the world for three/four months, but would be far more circumspect about moving for good.
Sorry Arnie, he said when he left he loved it down here, and wanted to return, you lick the clubs pr right up.
BS - how many times did he tout himself to other clubs? 6? 7? 8? Why did he not turn up until just before the 2nd leg? Why did he phone TB just before the league game against Palace and tell him he wanted to leave with immediate effect?

Gus never loved us, we were a mere stepping stone - and I have no problem with that. But don't claim he holds us in any great affection. Or do YOU believe everything Gus's PR dept says?

I defend the club against baseless accusations and made-up toss (as I will defend anyone and anything). You will always look to stick the boot in. Support? Huh!
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Captain Haddock[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Relegated 2015[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Prediction. When asked about the Clayton deal falling thru, Bloom will reply by telling of the lads wish NOT to move south. This info would have been past to Bloom during talks between the two clubs, money was not an issue. Rightly or wrongly, that answer will remove the club from all responsibilty in NOT getting the player.[/p][/quote]this being the same reason that Conway offered when he declined our adavances, he wanted to stay closer to his extended family.[/p][/quote]Why come here on loan then if he loved his family so much?[/p][/quote]Good point.[/p][/quote]A loan for a few months can be done with his family staying where they were. Signing permanently means moving house. I would go on loan anywhere in the world for three/four months, but would be far more circumspect about moving for good.[/p][/quote]Sorry Arnie, he said when he left he loved it down here, and wanted to return, you lick the clubs pr right up.[/p][/quote]BS - how many times did he tout himself to other clubs? 6? 7? 8? Why did he not turn up until just before the 2nd leg? Why did he phone TB just before the league game against Palace and tell him he wanted to leave with immediate effect? Gus never loved us, we were a mere stepping stone - and I have no problem with that. But don't claim he holds us in any great affection. Or do YOU believe everything Gus's PR dept says? I defend the club against baseless accusations and made-up toss (as I will defend anyone and anything). You will always look to stick the boot in. Support? Huh! Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: -1

6:56pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Quiterie says...

tug509 wrote:
Well I wonder who is the biggest BURKE of the lot ,AN for stringing us along ,us for believing him or that pr@t of a DOF who couldn`t organise the preverbial PU in a brewery ?.
By the way Quiterie ,according to the H,field lads once Boro did exactly what I said they would do ,gazump us ,it took a few hours for them to seal the deal ,something BURKE couldn`t achieve in 8 frickin months .
Ok mate. If it is purely down to Boro offering a bit more than us then we have messed up. Hard to know without the full facts. Interesting to see what is said about it at the forum tonight. It could just be it was a knife-edge decision and he's decided to stay up north. All very disappointing all the same.
[quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: Well I wonder who is the biggest BURKE of the lot ,AN for stringing us along ,us for believing him or that pr@t of a DOF who couldn`t organise the preverbial PU in a brewery ?. By the way Quiterie ,according to the H,field lads once Boro did exactly what I said they would do ,gazump us ,it took a few hours for them to seal the deal ,something BURKE couldn`t achieve in 8 frickin months .[/p][/quote]Ok mate. If it is purely down to Boro offering a bit more than us then we have messed up. Hard to know without the full facts. Interesting to see what is said about it at the forum tonight. It could just be it was a knife-edge decision and he's decided to stay up north. All very disappointing all the same. Quiterie
  • Score: 2

6:56pm Tue 5 Aug 14

tug509 says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
Dave5434 wrote:
It makes me laugh. Everyone who was having a go at Gus Poyet when he was sacked from the club. All he was doing was the best for the club. If I remember rightly he wanted to sign Ross MacCormack for £2.5 million, yet the board would not sanction it. Yet less than 2 years later MacCormack was sold to Fulham for around £11.5 million! If we had added that one player I think we would have been promoted by now. Yet now we need a good 6 or 7 quality players before we can even think of promotion to the top flight. We should have bent over backwards to give Poyet what he wanted. He was the best manager we ever had in my opinion.
He may well have bankrupted us. We are now paying for his profligacy. Move on.
After what we`ve seen over the last 3 seasons and what we are looking at for this ,I cant believe what you have said Arnie ,it is becoming more and more apparent that GP new exactly what he was doing ,and more to the point what those around him weren`t !. UTA
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dave5434[/bold] wrote: It makes me laugh. Everyone who was having a go at Gus Poyet when he was sacked from the club. All he was doing was the best for the club. If I remember rightly he wanted to sign Ross MacCormack for £2.5 million, yet the board would not sanction it. Yet less than 2 years later MacCormack was sold to Fulham for around £11.5 million! If we had added that one player I think we would have been promoted by now. Yet now we need a good 6 or 7 quality players before we can even think of promotion to the top flight. We should have bent over backwards to give Poyet what he wanted. He was the best manager we ever had in my opinion.[/p][/quote]He may well have bankrupted us. We are now paying for his profligacy. Move on.[/p][/quote]After what we`ve seen over the last 3 seasons and what we are looking at for this ,I cant believe what you have said Arnie ,it is becoming more and more apparent that GP new exactly what he was doing ,and more to the point what those around him weren`t !. UTA tug509
  • Score: 2

7:00pm Tue 5 Aug 14

mark by the sea says...

tug509 wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
Dave5434 wrote:
It makes me laugh. Everyone who was having a go at Gus Poyet when he was sacked from the club. All he was doing was the best for the club. If I remember rightly he wanted to sign Ross MacCormack for £2.5 million, yet the board would not sanction it. Yet less than 2 years later MacCormack was sold to Fulham for around £11.5 million! If we had added that one player I think we would have been promoted by now. Yet now we need a good 6 or 7 quality players before we can even think of promotion to the top flight. We should have bent over backwards to give Poyet what he wanted. He was the best manager we ever had in my opinion.
He may well have bankrupted us. We are now paying for his profligacy. Move on.
After what we`ve seen over the last 3 seasons and what we are looking at for this ,I cant believe what you have said Arnie ,it is becoming more and more apparent that GP new exactly what he was doing ,and more to the point what those around him weren`t !. UTA
Bankruptcy would not have happened had the club backed Gus,
McCormack , van dyke , would have got us to the premiership, this rebuild is going to never take off if the club shrimp over 100k , let's be clear we kept Hoskins paid him say minimum of 5 k a week, so 250k for wages while he recovered from his injury! Then released him!
I am boiling mad at the penny pinching!
[quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dave5434[/bold] wrote: It makes me laugh. Everyone who was having a go at Gus Poyet when he was sacked from the club. All he was doing was the best for the club. If I remember rightly he wanted to sign Ross MacCormack for £2.5 million, yet the board would not sanction it. Yet less than 2 years later MacCormack was sold to Fulham for around £11.5 million! If we had added that one player I think we would have been promoted by now. Yet now we need a good 6 or 7 quality players before we can even think of promotion to the top flight. We should have bent over backwards to give Poyet what he wanted. He was the best manager we ever had in my opinion.[/p][/quote]He may well have bankrupted us. We are now paying for his profligacy. Move on.[/p][/quote]After what we`ve seen over the last 3 seasons and what we are looking at for this ,I cant believe what you have said Arnie ,it is becoming more and more apparent that GP new exactly what he was doing ,and more to the point what those around him weren`t !. UTA[/p][/quote]Bankruptcy would not have happened had the club backed Gus, McCormack , van dyke , would have got us to the premiership, this rebuild is going to never take off if the club shrimp over 100k , let's be clear we kept Hoskins paid him say minimum of 5 k a week, so 250k for wages while he recovered from his injury! Then released him! I am boiling mad at the penny pinching! mark by the sea
  • Score: 2

7:04pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Albion In Staffs says...

tug509 wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
Dave5434 wrote:
It makes me laugh. Everyone who was having a go at Gus Poyet when he was sacked from the club. All he was doing was the best for the club. If I remember rightly he wanted to sign Ross MacCormack for £2.5 million, yet the board would not sanction it. Yet less than 2 years later MacCormack was sold to Fulham for around £11.5 million! If we had added that one player I think we would have been promoted by now. Yet now we need a good 6 or 7 quality players before we can even think of promotion to the top flight. We should have bent over backwards to give Poyet what he wanted. He was the best manager we ever had in my opinion.
He may well have bankrupted us. We are now paying for his profligacy. Move on.
After what we`ve seen over the last 3 seasons and what we are looking at for this ,I cant believe what you have said Arnie ,it is becoming more and more apparent that GP new exactly what he was doing ,and more to the point what those around him weren`t !. UTA
I agree GP knew exactly what was going on and was, quite reasonably, looking after his own skin.
If he knew the belt was being tightened, he probably made a judgement that his rapidly rising stock could only suffer through under performance if he stayed.
At the end of it all, it's all about looking after number one - and he did.
Had it gone his way, the club may have taken a gamble it couldn't afford. He'd have ridden off into the sunset a year later and we'd have been left paying the bills for the next ten years.
I can't blame him for looking after himself, nor the club for making a strong decision too.
[quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dave5434[/bold] wrote: It makes me laugh. Everyone who was having a go at Gus Poyet when he was sacked from the club. All he was doing was the best for the club. If I remember rightly he wanted to sign Ross MacCormack for £2.5 million, yet the board would not sanction it. Yet less than 2 years later MacCormack was sold to Fulham for around £11.5 million! If we had added that one player I think we would have been promoted by now. Yet now we need a good 6 or 7 quality players before we can even think of promotion to the top flight. We should have bent over backwards to give Poyet what he wanted. He was the best manager we ever had in my opinion.[/p][/quote]He may well have bankrupted us. We are now paying for his profligacy. Move on.[/p][/quote]After what we`ve seen over the last 3 seasons and what we are looking at for this ,I cant believe what you have said Arnie ,it is becoming more and more apparent that GP new exactly what he was doing ,and more to the point what those around him weren`t !. UTA[/p][/quote]I agree GP knew exactly what was going on and was, quite reasonably, looking after his own skin. If he knew the belt was being tightened, he probably made a judgement that his rapidly rising stock could only suffer through under performance if he stayed. At the end of it all, it's all about looking after number one - and he did. Had it gone his way, the club may have taken a gamble it couldn't afford. He'd have ridden off into the sunset a year later and we'd have been left paying the bills for the next ten years. I can't blame him for looking after himself, nor the club for making a strong decision too. Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 3

7:06pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Claude Back says...

Dave5434 wrote:
It makes me laugh. Everyone who was having a go at Gus Poyet when he was sacked from the club. All he was doing was the best for the club. If I remember rightly he wanted to sign Ross MacCormack for £2.5 million, yet the board would not sanction it. Yet less than 2 years later MacCormack was sold to Fulham for around £11.5 million! If we had added that one player I think we would have been promoted by now. Yet now we need a good 6 or 7 quality players before we can even think of promotion to the top flight. We should have bent over backwards to give Poyet what he wanted. He was the best manager we ever had in my opinion.
You don't know what you've got until you lose it....etc
[quote][p][bold]Dave5434[/bold] wrote: It makes me laugh. Everyone who was having a go at Gus Poyet when he was sacked from the club. All he was doing was the best for the club. If I remember rightly he wanted to sign Ross MacCormack for £2.5 million, yet the board would not sanction it. Yet less than 2 years later MacCormack was sold to Fulham for around £11.5 million! If we had added that one player I think we would have been promoted by now. Yet now we need a good 6 or 7 quality players before we can even think of promotion to the top flight. We should have bent over backwards to give Poyet what he wanted. He was the best manager we ever had in my opinion.[/p][/quote]You don't know what you've got until you lose it....etc Claude Back
  • Score: 1

7:06pm Tue 5 Aug 14

don't wanna do it like that says...

Started Seagulls player Club forum
Started Seagulls player Club forum don't wanna do it like that
  • Score: 0

7:07pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

tug509 wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
Dave5434 wrote:
It makes me laugh. Everyone who was having a go at Gus Poyet when he was sacked from the club. All he was doing was the best for the club. If I remember rightly he wanted to sign Ross MacCormack for £2.5 million, yet the board would not sanction it. Yet less than 2 years later MacCormack was sold to Fulham for around £11.5 million! If we had added that one player I think we would have been promoted by now. Yet now we need a good 6 or 7 quality players before we can even think of promotion to the top flight. We should have bent over backwards to give Poyet what he wanted. He was the best manager we ever had in my opinion.
He may well have bankrupted us. We are now paying for his profligacy. Move on.
After what we`ve seen over the last 3 seasons and what we are looking at for this ,I cant believe what you have said Arnie ,it is becoming more and more apparent that GP new exactly what he was doing ,and more to the point what those around him weren`t !. UTA
Okay Tug... but who should pay for this? Without guarantees of promotion and its outrageous riches the club has to be run on self-sustainable terms. GP is like 'Arry in many ways, one of which is being a great manager if given an open chequebook. Take that away and they whine and complain.

We know you don't like DOFs in principle (we'll just have to agree to disagree on that :-), but - ignoring Burke - how else would you run the club, from a purely financial point of view? We just cannot take the risk in buying promotion. There are only three spots and about 10 teams risking their very futures into securing one of them
[quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dave5434[/bold] wrote: It makes me laugh. Everyone who was having a go at Gus Poyet when he was sacked from the club. All he was doing was the best for the club. If I remember rightly he wanted to sign Ross MacCormack for £2.5 million, yet the board would not sanction it. Yet less than 2 years later MacCormack was sold to Fulham for around £11.5 million! If we had added that one player I think we would have been promoted by now. Yet now we need a good 6 or 7 quality players before we can even think of promotion to the top flight. We should have bent over backwards to give Poyet what he wanted. He was the best manager we ever had in my opinion.[/p][/quote]He may well have bankrupted us. We are now paying for his profligacy. Move on.[/p][/quote]After what we`ve seen over the last 3 seasons and what we are looking at for this ,I cant believe what you have said Arnie ,it is becoming more and more apparent that GP new exactly what he was doing ,and more to the point what those around him weren`t !. UTA[/p][/quote]Okay Tug... but who should pay for this? Without guarantees of promotion and its outrageous riches the club has to be run on self-sustainable terms. GP is like 'Arry in many ways, one of which is being a great manager if given an open chequebook. Take that away and they whine and complain. We know you don't like DOFs in principle (we'll just have to agree to disagree on that :-), but - ignoring Burke - how else would you run the club, from a purely financial point of view? We just cannot take the risk in buying promotion. There are only three spots and about 10 teams risking their very futures into securing one of them Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: -4

7:09pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

Albion In Staffs said it much better than me. Read his response instead.
Albion In Staffs said it much better than me. Read his response instead. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 1

7:13pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

don't wanna do it like that wrote:
Started Seagulls player Club forum
And on the BBC Sussex internet radio station too, for us ex-pats.
[quote][p][bold]don't wanna do it like that[/bold] wrote: Started Seagulls player Club forum[/p][/quote]And on the BBC Sussex internet radio station too, for us ex-pats. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 2

7:13pm Tue 5 Aug 14

JeffLomer says...

mark by the sea wrote:
JeffLomer wrote:
Moving to Boro for Clayton makes sense to him and his family, he can either commute where he lives now, or move to the exclusive estate at wynyards where a lot off footballers live, ten mins from training!!

Shame though I rate Clayton, we keep looking and hoping!!
Up the Albion!!
What rubbish, he was close to signing , so I guess he nee brighton was south!
It comes down to money, we either got blown out of the water by Boro, or they offered Clayton more money, we seem to dither while other clubs jump in and snatch players,
As for blaming the argus, I think this nugget was given to the argus ,thinking it was going to happen!
We simply take to long to grab a player, we need to impress him from day one , and match wages other clubs offer.
How do you no he was close to signing for us, you certainly can talk the talk but in reality you no as much as any other person, which would be jack shi te, next your tell us Baldock signing!!
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JeffLomer[/bold] wrote: Moving to Boro for Clayton makes sense to him and his family, he can either commute where he lives now, or move to the exclusive estate at wynyards where a lot off footballers live, ten mins from training!! Shame though I rate Clayton, we keep looking and hoping!! Up the Albion!![/p][/quote]What rubbish, he was close to signing , so I guess he nee brighton was south! It comes down to money, we either got blown out of the water by Boro, or they offered Clayton more money, we seem to dither while other clubs jump in and snatch players, As for blaming the argus, I think this nugget was given to the argus ,thinking it was going to happen! We simply take to long to grab a player, we need to impress him from day one , and match wages other clubs offer.[/p][/quote]How do you no he was close to signing for us, you certainly can talk the talk but in reality you no as much as any other person, which would be jack shi te, next your tell us Baldock signing!! JeffLomer
  • Score: -3

7:14pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Claude Back says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
Dave5434 wrote:
It makes me laugh. Everyone who was having a go at Gus Poyet when he was sacked from the club. All he was doing was the best for the club. If I remember rightly he wanted to sign Ross MacCormack for £2.5 million, yet the board would not sanction it. Yet less than 2 years later MacCormack was sold to Fulham for around £11.5 million! If we had added that one player I think we would have been promoted by now. Yet now we need a good 6 or 7 quality players before we can even think of promotion to the top flight. We should have bent over backwards to give Poyet what he wanted. He was the best manager we ever had in my opinion.
He may well have bankrupted us. We are now paying for his profligacy. Move on.
You say you don't criticise anyone without evidence yet you come out with one of the most stupid criticisms of Gus I have ever heard. You clearly don't recognise talent. All the best players we have and had came because of him and look how he turned Sunderland around from what looked like an impossible situation. Ask the Mackems, they love him. Owing to Gus we have made a good profit on Leo and Bridcutt. How does that equate with bankruptcy?
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dave5434[/bold] wrote: It makes me laugh. Everyone who was having a go at Gus Poyet when he was sacked from the club. All he was doing was the best for the club. If I remember rightly he wanted to sign Ross MacCormack for £2.5 million, yet the board would not sanction it. Yet less than 2 years later MacCormack was sold to Fulham for around £11.5 million! If we had added that one player I think we would have been promoted by now. Yet now we need a good 6 or 7 quality players before we can even think of promotion to the top flight. We should have bent over backwards to give Poyet what he wanted. He was the best manager we ever had in my opinion.[/p][/quote]He may well have bankrupted us. We are now paying for his profligacy. Move on.[/p][/quote]You say you don't criticise anyone without evidence yet you come out with one of the most stupid criticisms of Gus I have ever heard. You clearly don't recognise talent. All the best players we have and had came because of him and look how he turned Sunderland around from what looked like an impossible situation. Ask the Mackems, they love him. Owing to Gus we have made a good profit on Leo and Bridcutt. How does that equate with bankruptcy? Claude Back
  • Score: 0

7:18pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

Claude Back wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
Dave5434 wrote:
It makes me laugh. Everyone who was having a go at Gus Poyet when he was sacked from the club. All he was doing was the best for the club. If I remember rightly he wanted to sign Ross MacCormack for £2.5 million, yet the board would not sanction it. Yet less than 2 years later MacCormack was sold to Fulham for around £11.5 million! If we had added that one player I think we would have been promoted by now. Yet now we need a good 6 or 7 quality players before we can even think of promotion to the top flight. We should have bent over backwards to give Poyet what he wanted. He was the best manager we ever had in my opinion.
He may well have bankrupted us. We are now paying for his profligacy. Move on.
You say you don't criticise anyone without evidence yet you come out with one of the most stupid criticisms of Gus I have ever heard. You clearly don't recognise talent. All the best players we have and had came because of him and look how he turned Sunderland around from what looked like an impossible situation. Ask the Mackems, they love him. Owing to Gus we have made a good profit on Leo and Bridcutt. How does that equate with bankruptcy?
Claude - read my responses above, and AiS's. No point my regurgitating.

PS: He has been slated an awful lot by the Sunderland fans and many know he will be off if the chequebook closes or a better offer comes in. I love Gus and always have, but he was not perfect. Also, nothing to be gained from looking back - the new season starts in a few days :-)
[quote][p][bold]Claude Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dave5434[/bold] wrote: It makes me laugh. Everyone who was having a go at Gus Poyet when he was sacked from the club. All he was doing was the best for the club. If I remember rightly he wanted to sign Ross MacCormack for £2.5 million, yet the board would not sanction it. Yet less than 2 years later MacCormack was sold to Fulham for around £11.5 million! If we had added that one player I think we would have been promoted by now. Yet now we need a good 6 or 7 quality players before we can even think of promotion to the top flight. We should have bent over backwards to give Poyet what he wanted. He was the best manager we ever had in my opinion.[/p][/quote]He may well have bankrupted us. We are now paying for his profligacy. Move on.[/p][/quote]You say you don't criticise anyone without evidence yet you come out with one of the most stupid criticisms of Gus I have ever heard. You clearly don't recognise talent. All the best players we have and had came because of him and look how he turned Sunderland around from what looked like an impossible situation. Ask the Mackems, they love him. Owing to Gus we have made a good profit on Leo and Bridcutt. How does that equate with bankruptcy?[/p][/quote]Claude - read my responses above, and AiS's. No point my regurgitating. PS: He has been slated an awful lot by the Sunderland fans and many know he will be off if the chequebook closes or a better offer comes in. I love Gus and always have, but he was not perfect. Also, nothing to be gained from looking back - the new season starts in a few days :-) Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 0

7:25pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Withdean-er says...

Middlesborough have now had many lean years in terms of footballing success, player recruitment and heavy annual accounting losses going far further than the Albion's. Steve Gibson the owner suffered a decline in personal wealth and has tried to cut costs dramatically, long before FFP.

Therefore I don't think Clayton would have chosen them over us on the offering a far better pay package. It looks like he has settled in that part of the world, and I would guess didn't fancy moving south.
Middlesborough have now had many lean years in terms of footballing success, player recruitment and heavy annual accounting losses going far further than the Albion's. Steve Gibson the owner suffered a decline in personal wealth and has tried to cut costs dramatically, long before FFP. Therefore I don't think Clayton would have chosen them over us on the offering a far better pay package. It looks like he has settled in that part of the world, and I would guess didn't fancy moving south. Withdean-er
  • Score: 7

7:27pm Tue 5 Aug 14

daughter-of-manag says...

Albion In Staffs wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
Interesting Tweets:

Andy Naylor @AndyNaylorArgus
Re: the three targets. They all have been. Info came from a well-placed source. No power over whether or not #bhafc get deals over the line.
16m

Andy Naylor @AndyNaylorArgus
Long list of fairly obvious reasons why intended deals may not happen - fee, wages, geography, family etc, etc. #bhafc
16m

Andy Naylor @AndyNaylorArgus
@seagulls72 There is another one in particular I know #bhafc are working on. Cannot divulge at this stage.
14m

Andy Naylor @AndyNaylorArgus
@JamesAlbion_ "lined up", "expected", "could be". No "dead certain" or "will".
12m

Andy Naylor @AndyNaylorArgus
@jasonseaby I work for a newspaper, not the club website.
8m
I feel his pain.
He's clearly been given information and used it in good faith. Now, in the eyes of many, it's his fault.
It's not.
You feel his 'pain?' OMG

' #passingthe buck #domuchbetterinthefu
ture

An apology from AN to the fans is the least he can do; a poor workman blames his tools.

The issue is Burke IMO and the questions at the forum (so far) are not direct enough. Easy peasy for the suits.
[quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: Interesting Tweets: Andy Naylor @AndyNaylorArgus Re: the three targets. They all have been. Info came from a well-placed source. No power over whether or not #bhafc get deals over the line. 16m Andy Naylor @AndyNaylorArgus Long list of fairly obvious reasons why intended deals may not happen - fee, wages, geography, family etc, etc. #bhafc 16m Andy Naylor @AndyNaylorArgus @seagulls72 There is another one in particular I know #bhafc are working on. Cannot divulge at this stage. 14m Andy Naylor @AndyNaylorArgus @JamesAlbion_ "lined up", "expected", "could be". No "dead certain" or "will". 12m Andy Naylor @AndyNaylorArgus @jasonseaby I work for a newspaper, not the club website. 8m[/p][/quote]I feel his pain. He's clearly been given information and used it in good faith. Now, in the eyes of many, it's his fault. It's not.[/p][/quote]You feel his 'pain?' OMG ' #passingthe buck #domuchbetterinthefu ture An apology from AN to the fans is the least he can do; a poor workman blames his tools. The issue is Burke IMO and the questions at the forum (so far) are not direct enough. Easy peasy for the suits. daughter-of-manag
  • Score: -1

7:35pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Albion In Staffs says...

daughter-of-manag wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
Interesting Tweets:

Andy Naylor @AndyNaylorArgus
Re: the three targets. They all have been. Info came from a well-placed source. No power over whether or not #bhafc get deals over the line.
16m

Andy Naylor @AndyNaylorArgus
Long list of fairly obvious reasons why intended deals may not happen - fee, wages, geography, family etc, etc. #bhafc
16m

Andy Naylor @AndyNaylorArgus
@seagulls72 There is another one in particular I know #bhafc are working on. Cannot divulge at this stage.
14m

Andy Naylor @AndyNaylorArgus
@JamesAlbion_ "lined up", "expected", "could be". No "dead certain" or "will".
12m

Andy Naylor @AndyNaylorArgus
@jasonseaby I work for a newspaper, not the club website.
8m
I feel his pain.
He's clearly been given information and used it in good faith. Now, in the eyes of many, it's his fault.
It's not.
You feel his 'pain?' OMG

' #passingthe buck #domuchbetterinthefu

ture

An apology from AN to the fans is the least he can do; a poor workman blames his tools.

The issue is Burke IMO and the questions at the forum (so far) are not direct enough. Easy peasy for the suits.
Apology? For what exactly? Reporting information he was given? How many times in general life have you heard someone say "well so-and-so told me it was true"??
And I'm not sure how you can lambast AN and then say David Burke is the issue?
[quote][p][bold]daughter-of-manag[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: Interesting Tweets: Andy Naylor @AndyNaylorArgus Re: the three targets. They all have been. Info came from a well-placed source. No power over whether or not #bhafc get deals over the line. 16m Andy Naylor @AndyNaylorArgus Long list of fairly obvious reasons why intended deals may not happen - fee, wages, geography, family etc, etc. #bhafc 16m Andy Naylor @AndyNaylorArgus @seagulls72 There is another one in particular I know #bhafc are working on. Cannot divulge at this stage. 14m Andy Naylor @AndyNaylorArgus @JamesAlbion_ "lined up", "expected", "could be". No "dead certain" or "will". 12m Andy Naylor @AndyNaylorArgus @jasonseaby I work for a newspaper, not the club website. 8m[/p][/quote]I feel his pain. He's clearly been given information and used it in good faith. Now, in the eyes of many, it's his fault. It's not.[/p][/quote]You feel his 'pain?' OMG ' #passingthe buck #domuchbetterinthefu ture An apology from AN to the fans is the least he can do; a poor workman blames his tools. The issue is Burke IMO and the questions at the forum (so far) are not direct enough. Easy peasy for the suits.[/p][/quote]Apology? For what exactly? Reporting information he was given? How many times in general life have you heard someone say "well so-and-so told me it was true"?? And I'm not sure how you can lambast AN and then say David Burke is the issue? Albion In Staffs
  • Score: -2

7:35pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

daughter-of-manag wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
Interesting Tweets:

Andy Naylor @AndyNaylorArgus
Re: the three targets. They all have been. Info came from a well-placed source. No power over whether or not #bhafc get deals over the line.
16m

Andy Naylor @AndyNaylorArgus
Long list of fairly obvious reasons why intended deals may not happen - fee, wages, geography, family etc, etc. #bhafc
16m

Andy Naylor @AndyNaylorArgus
@seagulls72 There is another one in particular I know #bhafc are working on. Cannot divulge at this stage.
14m

Andy Naylor @AndyNaylorArgus
@JamesAlbion_ "lined up", "expected", "could be". No "dead certain" or "will".
12m

Andy Naylor @AndyNaylorArgus
@jasonseaby I work for a newspaper, not the club website.
8m
I feel his pain.
He's clearly been given information and used it in good faith. Now, in the eyes of many, it's his fault.
It's not.
You feel his 'pain?' OMG

' #passingthe buck #domuchbetterinthefu

ture

An apology from AN to the fans is the least he can do; a poor workman blames his tools.

The issue is Burke IMO and the questions at the forum (so far) are not direct enough. Easy peasy for the suits.
Listen now - question just asked of Bloom and Barber about Burke.
[quote][p][bold]daughter-of-manag[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: Interesting Tweets: Andy Naylor @AndyNaylorArgus Re: the three targets. They all have been. Info came from a well-placed source. No power over whether or not #bhafc get deals over the line. 16m Andy Naylor @AndyNaylorArgus Long list of fairly obvious reasons why intended deals may not happen - fee, wages, geography, family etc, etc. #bhafc 16m Andy Naylor @AndyNaylorArgus @seagulls72 There is another one in particular I know #bhafc are working on. Cannot divulge at this stage. 14m Andy Naylor @AndyNaylorArgus @JamesAlbion_ "lined up", "expected", "could be". No "dead certain" or "will". 12m Andy Naylor @AndyNaylorArgus @jasonseaby I work for a newspaper, not the club website. 8m[/p][/quote]I feel his pain. He's clearly been given information and used it in good faith. Now, in the eyes of many, it's his fault. It's not.[/p][/quote]You feel his 'pain?' OMG ' #passingthe buck #domuchbetterinthefu ture An apology from AN to the fans is the least he can do; a poor workman blames his tools. The issue is Burke IMO and the questions at the forum (so far) are not direct enough. Easy peasy for the suits.[/p][/quote]Listen now - question just asked of Bloom and Barber about Burke. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 1

7:40pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

"Naive beyond to belief to think a club can run without a DoF" - Barber. Bloom says the same. Every club in the top two divisions has one, whatever the title. Says it all really.
"Naive beyond to belief to think a club can run without a DoF" - Barber. Bloom says the same. Every club in the top two divisions has one, whatever the title. Says it all really. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: -4

7:42pm Tue 5 Aug 14

dave from bexill says...

The forum is an embarrassment, but a good night out for the sycophants amongst us. Absolutely cringeworthy
The forum is an embarrassment, but a good night out for the sycophants amongst us. Absolutely cringeworthy dave from bexill
  • Score: 11

7:44pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Albion In Staffs says...

dave from bexill wrote:
The forum is an embarrassment, but a good night out for the sycophants amongst us. Absolutely cringeworthy
What is cringeworthy about it? Not necessarily a sycophant but just curious about what you exxpect?
[quote][p][bold]dave from bexill[/bold] wrote: The forum is an embarrassment, but a good night out for the sycophants amongst us. Absolutely cringeworthy[/p][/quote]What is cringeworthy about it? Not necessarily a sycophant but just curious about what you exxpect? Albion In Staffs
  • Score: -7

7:47pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Rhodes Seagull says...

As I missed the first 30 minutes was there any questions on the the three players we are supposed to be going for?
As I missed the first 30 minutes was there any questions on the the three players we are supposed to be going for? Rhodes Seagull
  • Score: -1

7:52pm Tue 5 Aug 14

ringtone says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
"Naive beyond to belief to think a club can run without a DoF" - Barber. Bloom says the same. Every club in the top two divisions has one, whatever the title. Says it all really.
We all know that, Pat.

We just dont want him picking the players.

Or do you really rate Obika as world class.
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: "Naive beyond to belief to think a club can run without a DoF" - Barber. Bloom says the same. Every club in the top two divisions has one, whatever the title. Says it all really.[/p][/quote]We all know that, Pat. We just dont want him picking the players. Or do you really rate Obika as world class. ringtone
  • Score: 9

7:53pm Tue 5 Aug 14

dave from bexill says...

Albion In Staffs wrote:
dave from bexill wrote:
The forum is an embarrassment, but a good night out for the sycophants amongst us. Absolutely cringeworthy
What is cringeworthy about it? Not necessarily a sycophant but just curious about what you exxpect?
If you don't know, then no point me trying to explain it to you.
[quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dave from bexill[/bold] wrote: The forum is an embarrassment, but a good night out for the sycophants amongst us. Absolutely cringeworthy[/p][/quote]What is cringeworthy about it? Not necessarily a sycophant but just curious about what you exxpect?[/p][/quote]If you don't know, then no point me trying to explain it to you. dave from bexill
  • Score: 4

7:56pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

ringtone wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
"Naive beyond to belief to think a club can run without a DoF" - Barber. Bloom says the same. Every club in the top two divisions has one, whatever the title. Says it all really.
We all know that, Pat.

We just dont want him picking the players.

Or do you really rate Obika as world class.
Some don't know that, clearly. You really should be listening, you could learn a lot about the DOF's role. You could learn a lot, period.
[quote][p][bold]ringtone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: "Naive beyond to belief to think a club can run without a DoF" - Barber. Bloom says the same. Every club in the top two divisions has one, whatever the title. Says it all really.[/p][/quote]We all know that, Pat. We just dont want him picking the players. Or do you really rate Obika as world class.[/p][/quote]Some don't know that, clearly. You really should be listening, you could learn a lot about the DOF's role. You could learn a lot, period. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: -8

7:56pm Tue 5 Aug 14

daughter-of-manag says...

Albion In Staffs wrote:
daughter-of-manag wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
Interesting Tweets:

Andy Naylor @AndyNaylorArgus
Re: the three targets. They all have been. Info came from a well-placed source. No power over whether or not #bhafc get deals over the line.
16m

Andy Naylor @AndyNaylorArgus
Long list of fairly obvious reasons why intended deals may not happen - fee, wages, geography, family etc, etc. #bhafc
16m

Andy Naylor @AndyNaylorArgus
@seagulls72 There is another one in particular I know #bhafc are working on. Cannot divulge at this stage.
14m

Andy Naylor @AndyNaylorArgus
@JamesAlbion_ "lined up", "expected", "could be". No "dead certain" or "will".
12m

Andy Naylor @AndyNaylorArgus
@jasonseaby I work for a newspaper, not the club website.
8m
I feel his pain.
He's clearly been given information and used it in good faith. Now, in the eyes of many, it's his fault.
It's not.
You feel his 'pain?' OMG

' #passingthe buck #domuchbetterinthefu


ture

An apology from AN to the fans is the least he can do; a poor workman blames his tools.

The issue is Burke IMO and the questions at the forum (so far) are not direct enough. Easy peasy for the suits.
Apology? For what exactly? Reporting information he was given? How many times in general life have you heard someone say "well so-and-so told me it was true"??
And I'm not sure how you can lambast AN and then say David Burke is the issue?
AN either has integrity or he doesn't; he can chose to be a journo, feeding on scraps he hears from NSC or Sky, or he can write with a bit more charisma, DB's record to date is hardly stunning; you judge a tree by its fruit - and if the fruit (good signings) is poor, then he is an issue.
[quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]daughter-of-manag[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: Interesting Tweets: Andy Naylor @AndyNaylorArgus Re: the three targets. They all have been. Info came from a well-placed source. No power over whether or not #bhafc get deals over the line. 16m Andy Naylor @AndyNaylorArgus Long list of fairly obvious reasons why intended deals may not happen - fee, wages, geography, family etc, etc. #bhafc 16m Andy Naylor @AndyNaylorArgus @seagulls72 There is another one in particular I know #bhafc are working on. Cannot divulge at this stage. 14m Andy Naylor @AndyNaylorArgus @JamesAlbion_ "lined up", "expected", "could be". No "dead certain" or "will". 12m Andy Naylor @AndyNaylorArgus @jasonseaby I work for a newspaper, not the club website. 8m[/p][/quote]I feel his pain. He's clearly been given information and used it in good faith. Now, in the eyes of many, it's his fault. It's not.[/p][/quote]You feel his 'pain?' OMG ' #passingthe buck #domuchbetterinthefu ture An apology from AN to the fans is the least he can do; a poor workman blames his tools. The issue is Burke IMO and the questions at the forum (so far) are not direct enough. Easy peasy for the suits.[/p][/quote]Apology? For what exactly? Reporting information he was given? How many times in general life have you heard someone say "well so-and-so told me it was true"?? And I'm not sure how you can lambast AN and then say David Burke is the issue?[/p][/quote]AN either has integrity or he doesn't; he can chose to be a journo, feeding on scraps he hears from NSC or Sky, or he can write with a bit more charisma, DB's record to date is hardly stunning; you judge a tree by its fruit - and if the fruit (good signings) is poor, then he is an issue. daughter-of-manag
  • Score: 7

7:57pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

ringtone wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
"Naive beyond to belief to think a club can run without a DoF" - Barber. Bloom says the same. Every club in the top two divisions has one, whatever the title. Says it all really.
We all know that, Pat.

We just dont want him picking the players.

Or do you really rate Obika as world class.
PS: I wouldn't rate Obika as world class, nor McCormack, nor any players in the Championship.
[quote][p][bold]ringtone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: "Naive beyond to belief to think a club can run without a DoF" - Barber. Bloom says the same. Every club in the top two divisions has one, whatever the title. Says it all really.[/p][/quote]We all know that, Pat. We just dont want him picking the players. Or do you really rate Obika as world class.[/p][/quote]PS: I wouldn't rate Obika as world class, nor McCormack, nor any players in the Championship. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: -2

7:57pm Tue 5 Aug 14

ringtone says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
tug509 wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
Dave5434 wrote:
It makes me laugh. Everyone who was having a go at Gus Poyet when he was sacked from the club. All he was doing was the best for the club. If I remember rightly he wanted to sign Ross MacCormack for £2.5 million, yet the board would not sanction it. Yet less than 2 years later MacCormack was sold to Fulham for around £11.5 million! If we had added that one player I think we would have been promoted by now. Yet now we need a good 6 or 7 quality players before we can even think of promotion to the top flight. We should have bent over backwards to give Poyet what he wanted. He was the best manager we ever had in my opinion.
He may well have bankrupted us. We are now paying for his profligacy. Move on.
After what we`ve seen over the last 3 seasons and what we are looking at for this ,I cant believe what you have said Arnie ,it is becoming more and more apparent that GP new exactly what he was doing ,and more to the point what those around him weren`t !. UTA
Okay Tug... but who should pay for this? Without guarantees of promotion and its outrageous riches the club has to be run on self-sustainable terms. GP is like 'Arry in many ways, one of which is being a great manager if given an open chequebook. Take that away and they whine and complain.

We know you don't like DOFs in principle (we'll just have to agree to disagree on that :-), but - ignoring Burke - how else would you run the club, from a purely financial point of view? We just cannot take the risk in buying promotion. There are only three spots and about 10 teams risking their very futures into securing one of them
So why give out 4 year contracts to players who are not wanted by other clubs.

Explain that one, DADDY.
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dave5434[/bold] wrote: It makes me laugh. Everyone who was having a go at Gus Poyet when he was sacked from the club. All he was doing was the best for the club. If I remember rightly he wanted to sign Ross MacCormack for £2.5 million, yet the board would not sanction it. Yet less than 2 years later MacCormack was sold to Fulham for around £11.5 million! If we had added that one player I think we would have been promoted by now. Yet now we need a good 6 or 7 quality players before we can even think of promotion to the top flight. We should have bent over backwards to give Poyet what he wanted. He was the best manager we ever had in my opinion.[/p][/quote]He may well have bankrupted us. We are now paying for his profligacy. Move on.[/p][/quote]After what we`ve seen over the last 3 seasons and what we are looking at for this ,I cant believe what you have said Arnie ,it is becoming more and more apparent that GP new exactly what he was doing ,and more to the point what those around him weren`t !. UTA[/p][/quote]Okay Tug... but who should pay for this? Without guarantees of promotion and its outrageous riches the club has to be run on self-sustainable terms. GP is like 'Arry in many ways, one of which is being a great manager if given an open chequebook. Take that away and they whine and complain. We know you don't like DOFs in principle (we'll just have to agree to disagree on that :-), but - ignoring Burke - how else would you run the club, from a purely financial point of view? We just cannot take the risk in buying promotion. There are only three spots and about 10 teams risking their very futures into securing one of them[/p][/quote]So why give out 4 year contracts to players who are not wanted by other clubs. Explain that one, DADDY. ringtone
  • Score: -3

8:02pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Albion In Staffs says...

dave from bexill wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
dave from bexill wrote:
The forum is an embarrassment, but a good night out for the sycophants amongst us. Absolutely cringeworthy
What is cringeworthy about it? Not necessarily a sycophant but just curious about what you exxpect?
If you don't know, then no point me trying to explain it to you.
So please don't direct hollow criticism if you're not prepared to debate it. I'm curious as to what you expected. You didn't provide an answer.
We'll never know.
[quote][p][bold]dave from bexill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dave from bexill[/bold] wrote: The forum is an embarrassment, but a good night out for the sycophants amongst us. Absolutely cringeworthy[/p][/quote]What is cringeworthy about it? Not necessarily a sycophant but just curious about what you exxpect?[/p][/quote]If you don't know, then no point me trying to explain it to you.[/p][/quote]So please don't direct hollow criticism if you're not prepared to debate it. I'm curious as to what you expected. You didn't provide an answer. We'll never know. Albion In Staffs
  • Score: -3

8:02pm Tue 5 Aug 14

ringtone says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
ringtone wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
"Naive beyond to belief to think a club can run without a DoF" - Barber. Bloom says the same. Every club in the top two divisions has one, whatever the title. Says it all really.
We all know that, Pat.

We just dont want him picking the players.

Or do you really rate Obika as world class.
Some don't know that, clearly. You really should be listening, you could learn a lot about the DOF's role. You could learn a lot, period.
Period, calm down vegas.
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ringtone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: "Naive beyond to belief to think a club can run without a DoF" - Barber. Bloom says the same. Every club in the top two divisions has one, whatever the title. Says it all really.[/p][/quote]We all know that, Pat. We just dont want him picking the players. Or do you really rate Obika as world class.[/p][/quote]Some don't know that, clearly. You really should be listening, you could learn a lot about the DOF's role. You could learn a lot, period.[/p][/quote]Period, calm down vegas. ringtone
  • Score: 0

8:03pm Tue 5 Aug 14

mark by the sea says...

Rhodes Seagull wrote:
As I missed the first 30 minutes was there any questions on the the three players we are supposed to be going for?
They don't talk about targets, but is hopeful to have signings before window closes end of August.
He never said Naylor was incorrect, but avoided stephen ward issues,
[quote][p][bold]Rhodes Seagull[/bold] wrote: As I missed the first 30 minutes was there any questions on the the three players we are supposed to be going for?[/p][/quote]They don't talk about targets, but is hopeful to have signings before window closes end of August. He never said Naylor was incorrect, but avoided stephen ward issues, mark by the sea
  • Score: 4

8:03pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Mark Dixon says...

Forum was weak and what surprised me more the guy whoever he was, was having to force questions from the audience.

Oh yes was Mr. Naylor there, he should of been on top table to questioned, much more entertaining that would of been
Forum was weak and what surprised me more the guy whoever he was, was having to force questions from the audience. Oh yes was Mr. Naylor there, he should of been on top table to questioned, much more entertaining that would of been Mark Dixon
  • Score: 6

8:07pm Tue 5 Aug 14

dave from bexill says...

Albion In Staffs wrote:
dave from bexill wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
dave from bexill wrote:
The forum is an embarrassment, but a good night out for the sycophants amongst us. Absolutely cringeworthy
What is cringeworthy about it? Not necessarily a sycophant but just curious about what you exxpect?
If you don't know, then no point me trying to explain it to you.
So please don't direct hollow criticism if you're not prepared to debate it. I'm curious as to what you expected. You didn't provide an answer.
We'll never know.
Did you actually listen to the forum? If I wanted to debate anything, I doubt you'd be the to debate with.
[quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dave from bexill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dave from bexill[/bold] wrote: The forum is an embarrassment, but a good night out for the sycophants amongst us. Absolutely cringeworthy[/p][/quote]What is cringeworthy about it? Not necessarily a sycophant but just curious about what you exxpect?[/p][/quote]If you don't know, then no point me trying to explain it to you.[/p][/quote]So please don't direct hollow criticism if you're not prepared to debate it. I'm curious as to what you expected. You didn't provide an answer. We'll never know.[/p][/quote]Did you actually listen to the forum? If I wanted to debate anything, I doubt you'd be the to debate with. dave from bexill
  • Score: 2

8:08pm Tue 5 Aug 14

pjwilk says...

Forum was a waste of time,all the suits yes men were in audience.No real answers from anyone.Bloom refused to answer anything regarding transfers.Blues Bros are very deluded to think that a Manager cant choose his own transfer targets.What would Brian Clough say.
Forum was a waste of time,all the suits yes men were in audience.No real answers from anyone.Bloom refused to answer anything regarding transfers.Blues Bros are very deluded to think that a Manager cant choose his own transfer targets.What would Brian Clough say. pjwilk
  • Score: 5

8:09pm Tue 5 Aug 14

ringtone says...

Mark Dixon wrote:
Forum was weak and what surprised me more the guy whoever he was, was having to force questions from the audience.

Oh yes was Mr. Naylor there, he should of been on top table to questioned, much more entertaining that would of been
Agree Mark, i thought was very stage managed, very sanitised.

The alleged hand picked audience and canned laughter did not help.
[quote][p][bold]Mark Dixon[/bold] wrote: Forum was weak and what surprised me more the guy whoever he was, was having to force questions from the audience. Oh yes was Mr. Naylor there, he should of been on top table to questioned, much more entertaining that would of been[/p][/quote]Agree Mark, i thought was very stage managed, very sanitised. The alleged hand picked audience and canned laughter did not help. ringtone
  • Score: 1

8:13pm Tue 5 Aug 14

ringtone says...

dave from bexill wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
dave from bexill wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
dave from bexill wrote:
The forum is an embarrassment, but a good night out for the sycophants amongst us. Absolutely cringeworthy
What is cringeworthy about it? Not necessarily a sycophant but just curious about what you exxpect?
If you don't know, then no point me trying to explain it to you.
So please don't direct hollow criticism if you're not prepared to debate it. I'm curious as to what you expected. You didn't provide an answer.
We'll never know.
Did you actually listen to the forum? If I wanted to debate anything, I doubt you'd be the to debate with.
Spot on Dave.

It was totally Cringe, you hit the nail on the head.
[quote][p][bold]dave from bexill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dave from bexill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dave from bexill[/bold] wrote: The forum is an embarrassment, but a good night out for the sycophants amongst us. Absolutely cringeworthy[/p][/quote]What is cringeworthy about it? Not necessarily a sycophant but just curious about what you exxpect?[/p][/quote]If you don't know, then no point me trying to explain it to you.[/p][/quote]So please don't direct hollow criticism if you're not prepared to debate it. I'm curious as to what you expected. You didn't provide an answer. We'll never know.[/p][/quote]Did you actually listen to the forum? If I wanted to debate anything, I doubt you'd be the to debate with.[/p][/quote]Spot on Dave. It was totally Cringe, you hit the nail on the head. ringtone
  • Score: 2

8:13pm Tue 5 Aug 14

heshootshescores says...

Fans forum = complete waste of time.

Did anyone learn anything new or take anything positive from it?

Season ticket sales are down; we've missed out on all of our transfer targets; Sami is sulking before a ball has been kicked in anger.

In other words: WE'RE DOOOMED...WE'RE ALL DOOMED.

And unless a couple of miracles happen between now and August 31, we may actually well be.
Fans forum = complete waste of time. Did anyone learn anything new or take anything positive from it? Season ticket sales are down; we've missed out on all of our transfer targets; Sami is sulking before a ball has been kicked in anger. In other words: WE'RE DOOOMED...WE'RE ALL DOOMED. And unless a couple of miracles happen between now and August 31, we may actually well be. heshootshescores
  • Score: 5

8:17pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Quiterie says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Rhodes Seagull wrote:
As I missed the first 30 minutes was there any questions on the the three players we are supposed to be going for?
They don't talk about targets, but is hopeful to have signings before window closes end of August.
He never said Naylor was incorrect, but avoided stephen ward issues,
What is clear is that the club don't have any time for Andy Naylor. That came out of the forum loud and clear on at least a couple of occasions. I personally now have no confidence in any speculation put our way by Naylor. The way he's dealt with our links with a couple of players recently (Stephen Henderson for one) has been amateurish. He's a poor journalist. For all we know Brighton were never in for Clayton this summer. It's clear that the club certainly never told him we were. Naylor's match reports are distinctly average. Time for a clean break and get someone new in.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rhodes Seagull[/bold] wrote: As I missed the first 30 minutes was there any questions on the the three players we are supposed to be going for?[/p][/quote]They don't talk about targets, but is hopeful to have signings before window closes end of August. He never said Naylor was incorrect, but avoided stephen ward issues,[/p][/quote]What is clear is that the club don't have any time for Andy Naylor. That came out of the forum loud and clear on at least a couple of occasions. I personally now have no confidence in any speculation put our way by Naylor. The way he's dealt with our links with a couple of players recently (Stephen Henderson for one) has been amateurish. He's a poor journalist. For all we know Brighton were never in for Clayton this summer. It's clear that the club certainly never told him we were. Naylor's match reports are distinctly average. Time for a clean break and get someone new in. Quiterie
  • Score: 6

8:20pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Tony the tiger eastbourne says...

Well from that forum I learnt--------------
--------------------
------diddly squat!!!
Well from that forum I learnt-------------- -------------------- ------diddly squat!!! Tony the tiger eastbourne
  • Score: 10

8:25pm Tue 5 Aug 14

mikeygit says...

Mikey in Spain---Yes I was able to listen to the Forum--except for first few minutes, but I guess I did not miss much??
As expected just a weak PR exercise from which we learnt ZILCH. As expected Bloom would not talk about transfers and that newspaper speculation was MOST unhelpful and as a fan he would be frustrated at the press expectations.
Ward--NO COMMENT
Strange comment Bloom made on parachute payments that the only way we would get them is on promotion but in time we would inevitably be relegated--or words to that effect. Bet Lpl Man U Arsenal would not take that attitude.
Positives---that we gained most points on the Training Ground status--even beating Chelsea.
Disappointed that the ´compere´ almost had to drag questions out of people.
My hope was that those attending would --at the very least---make Bloom and Co feel a little uncomfortable. Not achieved. Hypia had to think long and hard over some of his answers, but in the main after 5 weeks----seems longer---he was happy with what he saw at the Club.
Nothing learnt or achieved IMO by tonights farce.
Mikey in Spain---Yes I was able to listen to the Forum--except for first few minutes, but I guess I did not miss much?? As expected just a weak PR exercise from which we learnt ZILCH. As expected Bloom would not talk about transfers and that newspaper speculation was MOST unhelpful and as a fan he would be frustrated at the press expectations. Ward--NO COMMENT Strange comment Bloom made on parachute payments that the only way we would get them is on promotion but in time we would inevitably be relegated--or words to that effect. Bet Lpl Man U Arsenal would not take that attitude. Positives---that we gained most points on the Training Ground status--even beating Chelsea. Disappointed that the ´compere´ almost had to drag questions out of people. My hope was that those attending would --at the very least---make Bloom and Co feel a little uncomfortable. Not achieved. Hypia had to think long and hard over some of his answers, but in the main after 5 weeks----seems longer---he was happy with what he saw at the Club. Nothing learnt or achieved IMO by tonights farce. mikeygit
  • Score: 4

8:28pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Ken from Beamish says...

Very poor forum. Audience really scared to ask very pointed questions, and to challenge answers. Barber got away with saying that fans don't know how hard it is for deals to be concluded. How come other clubs with less resources manage to do it. TB alluded to the real issue - it's doing deals at the right price for BHAFC. Unfortunately, the price we are prepared to pay is usually low. Hence we miss out. Very disappointed with TB & PB stating that Oscar leaving was different to Gus's. By Tony's admission. Gus told him he wanted to leave and talked to Reading after his "hit the ceiling" comment. The fans are not fools, please stop treating us as if we are devotees who can be fed rubbish and still turn up week-in & week-out. Got the feeling there was panic behind the scenes - Sami's silences spoke volumes about how concerned he is.
Very poor forum. Audience really scared to ask very pointed questions, and to challenge answers. Barber got away with saying that fans don't know how hard it is for deals to be concluded. How come other clubs with less resources manage to do it. TB alluded to the real issue - it's doing deals at the right price for BHAFC. Unfortunately, the price we are prepared to pay is usually low. Hence we miss out. Very disappointed with TB & PB stating that Oscar leaving was different to Gus's. By Tony's admission. Gus told him he wanted to leave and talked to Reading after his "hit the ceiling" comment. The fans are not fools, please stop treating us as if we are devotees who can be fed rubbish and still turn up week-in & week-out. Got the feeling there was panic behind the scenes - Sami's silences spoke volumes about how concerned he is. Ken from Beamish
  • Score: 9

8:31pm Tue 5 Aug 14

gordongull says...

I posted this yesterday afternoon.
Not bad from the point of view of accuracy, even though I say it myself!

They will quite easily deflect any difficult questions.
If there have been no signings by this time tomorrow, they will simply say that they never respond to media speculation, and that there will be no official announcement until after a player has signed.
They will also say that they are working hard to get the players that Sami needs to complete the squad.
I guarantee that they will have reasonable and acceptable answers prepared for any awkward questions, and they won't get as rough a ride as some people think.
After all, at the end of the day we are all on the same side.
I posted this yesterday afternoon. Not bad from the point of view of accuracy, even though I say it myself! They will quite easily deflect any difficult questions. If there have been no signings by this time tomorrow, they will simply say that they never respond to media speculation, and that there will be no official announcement until after a player has signed. They will also say that they are working hard to get the players that Sami needs to complete the squad. I guarantee that they will have reasonable and acceptable answers prepared for any awkward questions, and they won't get as rough a ride as some people think. After all, at the end of the day we are all on the same side. gordongull
  • Score: 4

8:33pm Tue 5 Aug 14

beanyeye says...

Albion In Staffs wrote:
tug509 wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
Dave5434 wrote:
It makes me laugh. Everyone who was having a go at Gus Poyet when he was sacked from the club. All he was doing was the best for the club. If I remember rightly he wanted to sign Ross MacCormack for £2.5 million, yet the board would not sanction it. Yet less than 2 years later MacCormack was sold to Fulham for around £11.5 million! If we had added that one player I think we would have been promoted by now. Yet now we need a good 6 or 7 quality players before we can even think of promotion to the top flight. We should have bent over backwards to give Poyet what he wanted. He was the best manager we ever had in my opinion.
He may well have bankrupted us. We are now paying for his profligacy. Move on.
After what we`ve seen over the last 3 seasons and what we are looking at for this ,I cant believe what you have said Arnie ,it is becoming more and more apparent that GP new exactly what he was doing ,and more to the point what those around him weren`t !. UTA
I agree GP knew exactly what was going on and was, quite reasonably, looking after his own skin.
If he knew the belt was being tightened, he probably made a judgement that his rapidly rising stock could only suffer through under performance if he stayed.
At the end of it all, it's all about looking after number one - and he did.
Had it gone his way, the club may have taken a gamble it couldn't afford. He'd have ridden off into the sunset a year later and we'd have been left paying the bills for the next ten years.
I can't blame him for looking after himself, nor the club for making a strong decision too.
One has to admit that Gus is prepared to be bold and to back his judgement. That is largely why a club appoints a manager. Once trust on either the club side, or that of the manager in the club is lost then the relationship is over. It is interesting that Sunderland are prepared to back Gus's judgement (Rodwell @10M).
As to the Argus following a reliable source re the trio, frankly it was pretty naive as it would not have required much checking to discover that we were nowhere near to the valuation that Bristol C had on Baldock. Poor judgement by the Argus reporters.
I enjoy your contributions Staffs they are full of insight and good sense.
[quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dave5434[/bold] wrote: It makes me laugh. Everyone who was having a go at Gus Poyet when he was sacked from the club. All he was doing was the best for the club. If I remember rightly he wanted to sign Ross MacCormack for £2.5 million, yet the board would not sanction it. Yet less than 2 years later MacCormack was sold to Fulham for around £11.5 million! If we had added that one player I think we would have been promoted by now. Yet now we need a good 6 or 7 quality players before we can even think of promotion to the top flight. We should have bent over backwards to give Poyet what he wanted. He was the best manager we ever had in my opinion.[/p][/quote]He may well have bankrupted us. We are now paying for his profligacy. Move on.[/p][/quote]After what we`ve seen over the last 3 seasons and what we are looking at for this ,I cant believe what you have said Arnie ,it is becoming more and more apparent that GP new exactly what he was doing ,and more to the point what those around him weren`t !. UTA[/p][/quote]I agree GP knew exactly what was going on and was, quite reasonably, looking after his own skin. If he knew the belt was being tightened, he probably made a judgement that his rapidly rising stock could only suffer through under performance if he stayed. At the end of it all, it's all about looking after number one - and he did. Had it gone his way, the club may have taken a gamble it couldn't afford. He'd have ridden off into the sunset a year later and we'd have been left paying the bills for the next ten years. I can't blame him for looking after himself, nor the club for making a strong decision too.[/p][/quote]One has to admit that Gus is prepared to be bold and to back his judgement. That is largely why a club appoints a manager. Once trust on either the club side, or that of the manager in the club is lost then the relationship is over. It is interesting that Sunderland are prepared to back Gus's judgement (Rodwell @10M). As to the Argus following a reliable source re the trio, frankly it was pretty naive as it would not have required much checking to discover that we were nowhere near to the valuation that Bristol C had on Baldock. Poor judgement by the Argus reporters. I enjoy your contributions Staffs they are full of insight and good sense. beanyeye
  • Score: -4

8:40pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Guernsey gull says...

Just got home from work, has the forum finished , can't get it on seagulls player !
Just got home from work, has the forum finished , can't get it on seagulls player ! Guernsey gull
  • Score: 0

8:45pm Tue 5 Aug 14

ringtone says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
"Naive beyond to belief to think a club can run without a DoF" - Barber. Bloom says the same. Every club in the top two divisions has one, whatever the title. Says it all really.
Yes we are so lucky to have DoF's.

What did they do in the last hundred years of the professional game?
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: "Naive beyond to belief to think a club can run without a DoF" - Barber. Bloom says the same. Every club in the top two divisions has one, whatever the title. Says it all really.[/p][/quote]Yes we are so lucky to have DoF's. What did they do in the last hundred years of the professional game? ringtone
  • Score: -5

8:47pm Tue 5 Aug 14

ringtone says...

Guernsey gull wrote:
Just got home from work, has the forum finished , can't get it on seagulls player !
Yes finnished.

Don't worry you didn't miss a thing.
[quote][p][bold]Guernsey gull[/bold] wrote: Just got home from work, has the forum finished , can't get it on seagulls player ![/p][/quote]Yes finnished. Don't worry you didn't miss a thing. ringtone
  • Score: 4

8:47pm Tue 5 Aug 14

don't wanna do it like that says...

In july you could get a seat 400,places and then ask the killer question.
Could post an e-mail.
Yet here on the argus rag-**** ,site posters can OPEN THEIR BIG MOUTHS.

REALLY PROUD OF YOU LADS AND LASSES.
In july you could get a seat 400,places and then ask the killer question. Could post an e-mail. Yet here on the argus rag-**** ,site posters can OPEN THEIR BIG MOUTHS. REALLY PROUD OF YOU LADS AND LASSES. don't wanna do it like that
  • Score: 0

8:52pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Guernsey gull says...

ringtone wrote:
Guernsey gull wrote:
Just got home from work, has the forum finished , can't get it on seagulls player !
Yes finnished.

Don't worry you didn't miss a thing.
What ! Didn't miss anything !
Weren't the obvious questions asked and answered.
If it wasn't a feisty forum then was there any point ?
[quote][p][bold]ringtone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Guernsey gull[/bold] wrote: Just got home from work, has the forum finished , can't get it on seagulls player ![/p][/quote]Yes finnished. Don't worry you didn't miss a thing.[/p][/quote]What ! Didn't miss anything ! Weren't the obvious questions asked and answered. If it wasn't a feisty forum then was there any point ? Guernsey gull
  • Score: 1

8:54pm Tue 5 Aug 14

pte says...

ringtone wrote:
Mark Dixon wrote:
Forum was weak and what surprised me more the guy whoever he was, was having to force questions from the audience.

Oh yes was Mr. Naylor there, he should of been on top table to questioned, much more entertaining that would of been
Agree Mark, i thought was very stage managed, very sanitised.

The alleged hand picked audience and canned laughter did not help.
That's what I said would happen yesterday.

Normally it's very difficult in a room full of people to stand up and ask awkward questions with all eyes on you. In that situation if the person is not used to public speaking they freeze.

But if you pack the room with sycophants they can change the atmosphere and make it doubly difficult. You can go in there with a host of questions, but you judge the mood of the meeting and realize your questions will get no audience support and will go down like a lead balloon. So people bite their tongue and say nothing.

People in the audience are at a disadvantage if they are not used to public speaking when the panel are. Whereas the audience might be intimidated by the panel the panel are in no way intimidated by the audience. When you earn more in a year than most earn in a lifetime it's hard not to look down on people and it's easier to brush their questions aside
[quote][p][bold]ringtone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mark Dixon[/bold] wrote: Forum was weak and what surprised me more the guy whoever he was, was having to force questions from the audience. Oh yes was Mr. Naylor there, he should of been on top table to questioned, much more entertaining that would of been[/p][/quote]Agree Mark, i thought was very stage managed, very sanitised. The alleged hand picked audience and canned laughter did not help.[/p][/quote]That's what I said would happen yesterday. Normally it's very difficult in a room full of people to stand up and ask awkward questions with all eyes on you. In that situation if the person is not used to public speaking they freeze. But if you pack the room with sycophants they can change the atmosphere and make it doubly difficult. You can go in there with a host of questions, but you judge the mood of the meeting and realize your questions will get no audience support and will go down like a lead balloon. So people bite their tongue and say nothing. People in the audience are at a disadvantage if they are not used to public speaking when the panel are. Whereas the audience might be intimidated by the panel the panel are in no way intimidated by the audience. When you earn more in a year than most earn in a lifetime it's hard not to look down on people and it's easier to brush their questions aside pte
  • Score: 6

8:57pm Tue 5 Aug 14

VegasSeagull says...

Like others I missed the first part of the forum, but I got to hear enough.

The club have not talked of previous signings until they are done, and they aint changing that any time soon.
Bloom is clearly happy with Burke, and Barber fully respects the amount of work Burke gets thru.
To my ears Barber under lined the fact that his role is about bringing money in and not a lot, if anything, to do with inward transfers.
There were a few questions that had a sharp edge to them but they were easily deflected.
I don't think Andy Naylor will be on too many Christmas card lists at the Amex.
Interesting to hear Sami underline the fact that he has only been at the lcub for five weeks when answering a question about formations, no rigid game plan announced. The squad is going to have to be flexible in the absense of new signings.
Like others I missed the first part of the forum, but I got to hear enough. The club have not talked of previous signings until they are done, and they aint changing that any time soon. Bloom is clearly happy with Burke, and Barber fully respects the amount of work Burke gets thru. To my ears Barber under lined the fact that his role is about bringing money in and not a lot, if anything, to do with inward transfers. There were a few questions that had a sharp edge to them but they were easily deflected. I don't think Andy Naylor will be on too many Christmas card lists at the Amex. Interesting to hear Sami underline the fact that he has only been at the lcub for five weeks when answering a question about formations, no rigid game plan announced. The squad is going to have to be flexible in the absense of new signings. VegasSeagull
  • Score: -3

8:58pm Tue 5 Aug 14

£3.90 a pint. says...

Missed the forum and from what I'm reading it was tosh. Signings or no signings this week we shouldn't beat ourselves up about it as we are not in control of any of it. Bring on Saturday where we shall be frequenting the North Stand and singing our heads off as usual and cheering the team on. However if they've put up the price of the beer again I'm gonna go mental. See ya near the bar just after 1pm. UTA :)
Missed the forum and from what I'm reading it was tosh. Signings or no signings this week we shouldn't beat ourselves up about it as we are not in control of any of it. Bring on Saturday where we shall be frequenting the North Stand and singing our heads off as usual and cheering the team on. However if they've put up the price of the beer again I'm gonna go mental. See ya near the bar just after 1pm. UTA :) £3.90 a pint.
  • Score: 1

8:59pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Quiterie says...

Was anyone else confused about the discussion about season ticket sales? They said that they were 7% or 8% down on this time last year. The reason they gave for this was 'churn' in other words people not renewing, people dying etc, but surely if you're comparing with this time last year, you're comparing like with like? The figure this time last year would also have 'churn' factored in. Or am I missing something?
Was anyone else confused about the discussion about season ticket sales? They said that they were 7% or 8% down on this time last year. The reason they gave for this was 'churn' in other words people not renewing, people dying etc, but surely if you're comparing with this time last year, you're comparing like with like? The figure this time last year would also have 'churn' factored in. Or am I missing something? Quiterie
  • Score: 7

9:02pm Tue 5 Aug 14

ballantrrae says...

Mark Dixon wrote:
Forum was weak and what surprised me more the guy whoever he was, was having to force questions from the audience.

Oh yes was Mr. Naylor there, he should of been on top table to questioned, much more entertaining that would of been
I am not quite sure why Johnny Cantor was having to 'force' questions from the audience since he had some that had been emailed to him (I sent a couple for example) and yet he only asked the panel one from those sent in.
I thought the content was mixed with some good info such as hearing that Season Ticket sales are only 7% down on last year.
On the other hand as predicted we didn't hear anything about potential transfers. TB did say (as he also did last year) that he was confident we would have a competitive squad by the time the window closes. He also said that (local) media speculation on transfers wasn't helpful. The club is as one would expect working hard on trying to acquire their targets.
The main positive for me was SH who came across well and is clearly very much in the loop regarding transfers even if Burke is handling the day to day aspects of that. TB not surprisingly stated he was happy with the job Burke is doing and PB pointed out that it is important to have someone carrying out Burke's function whatever title he is given. Whether TB is right to keep faith with Burke only time will tell.
SH made it very clear that he did not want to sign 'mediocre' players he only wanted players who would strengthen the squad to be recruited.
So as you indicate Mark, nothing really of import but some reassurance that the club is aware of and trying to address the issues it faces especially in terms of signing players.
UTA.
PS. Pleased that you found the link to the broadcast Mark.
[quote][p][bold]Mark Dixon[/bold] wrote: Forum was weak and what surprised me more the guy whoever he was, was having to force questions from the audience. Oh yes was Mr. Naylor there, he should of been on top table to questioned, much more entertaining that would of been[/p][/quote]I am not quite sure why Johnny Cantor was having to 'force' questions from the audience since he had some that had been emailed to him (I sent a couple for example) and yet he only asked the panel one from those sent in. I thought the content was mixed with some good info such as hearing that Season Ticket sales are only 7% down on last year. On the other hand as predicted we didn't hear anything about potential transfers. TB did say (as he also did last year) that he was confident we would have a competitive squad by the time the window closes. He also said that (local) media speculation on transfers wasn't helpful. The club is as one would expect working hard on trying to acquire their targets. The main positive for me was SH who came across well and is clearly very much in the loop regarding transfers even if Burke is handling the day to day aspects of that. TB not surprisingly stated he was happy with the job Burke is doing and PB pointed out that it is important to have someone carrying out Burke's function whatever title he is given. Whether TB is right to keep faith with Burke only time will tell. SH made it very clear that he did not want to sign 'mediocre' players he only wanted players who would strengthen the squad to be recruited. So as you indicate Mark, nothing really of import but some reassurance that the club is aware of and trying to address the issues it faces especially in terms of signing players. UTA. PS. Pleased that you found the link to the broadcast Mark. ballantrrae
  • Score: 2

9:04pm Tue 5 Aug 14

ringtone says...

Guernsey gull wrote:
ringtone wrote:
Guernsey gull wrote:
Just got home from work, has the forum finished , can't get it on seagulls player !
Yes finnished.

Don't worry you didn't miss a thing.
What ! Didn't miss anything !
Weren't the obvious questions asked and answered.
If it wasn't a feisty forum then was there any point ?
Tony Bloom said he will wait up until the end of the window to get the squad up to strengh, although we are a bit light at the moment.

Sounded like Sami has no influence in signing players, so no germans or finns on the horizon.

Season ticket sales down approx 7%, but Barber said this was normal churn and defended price increases at the Amex.
[quote][p][bold]Guernsey gull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ringtone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Guernsey gull[/bold] wrote: Just got home from work, has the forum finished , can't get it on seagulls player ![/p][/quote]Yes finnished. Don't worry you didn't miss a thing.[/p][/quote]What ! Didn't miss anything ! Weren't the obvious questions asked and answered. If it wasn't a feisty forum then was there any point ?[/p][/quote]Tony Bloom said he will wait up until the end of the window to get the squad up to strengh, although we are a bit light at the moment. Sounded like Sami has no influence in signing players, so no germans or finns on the horizon. Season ticket sales down approx 7%, but Barber said this was normal churn and defended price increases at the Amex. ringtone
  • Score: 0

9:07pm Tue 5 Aug 14

don't wanna do it like that says...

ringtone wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
"Naive beyond to belief to think a club can run without a DoF" - Barber. Bloom says the same. Every club in the top two divisions has one, whatever the title. Says it all really.
Yes we are so lucky to have DoF's.

What did they do in the last hundred years of the professional game?
Like in the usa soccer(lol) is hitting the big time seems its kicking off big time over here ffp,pl rules, crowds you would not believe.
[quote][p][bold]ringtone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: "Naive beyond to belief to think a club can run without a DoF" - Barber. Bloom says the same. Every club in the top two divisions has one, whatever the title. Says it all really.[/p][/quote]Yes we are so lucky to have DoF's. What did they do in the last hundred years of the professional game?[/p][/quote]Like in the usa soccer(lol) is hitting the big time seems its kicking off big time over here ffp,pl rules, crowds you would not believe. don't wanna do it like that
  • Score: -2

9:09pm Tue 5 Aug 14

mark by the sea says...

Quiterie wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Rhodes Seagull wrote:
As I missed the first 30 minutes was there any questions on the the three players we are supposed to be going for?
They don't talk about targets, but is hopeful to have signings before window closes end of August.
He never said Naylor was incorrect, but avoided stephen ward issues,
What is clear is that the club don't have any time for Andy Naylor. That came out of the forum loud and clear on at least a couple of occasions. I personally now have no confidence in any speculation put our way by Naylor. The way he's dealt with our links with a couple of players recently (Stephen Henderson for one) has been amateurish. He's a poor journalist. For all we know Brighton were never in for Clayton this summer. It's clear that the club certainly never told him we were. Naylor's match reports are distinctly average. Time for a clean break and get someone new in.
The guy at the Huddersfield gazette was quoted as both clubs interested, sky sports said we were closing in on him ... Don't blame Andy Naylor,
Maybe the club are angry he let it out of the bag we were close to signing them,... But not close enough! If they said all three had fallen through, that would not look good! So blame Naylor ,,, The fans who believe everything the club spins out, will lap that up... But surely the question should be, if sami has been here only 5 weeks, then Burke can't take that long to hit his targets!
As far as Burke goes, he works very hard, extremely hard, working endless phone calls... Blah blah, I did sense TB and PB defend Burke,
I sense a very quiet Amex this weekend, I also have feeling results need to be good or pressure on the DOF will be massive.
[quote][p][bold]Quiterie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rhodes Seagull[/bold] wrote: As I missed the first 30 minutes was there any questions on the the three players we are supposed to be going for?[/p][/quote]They don't talk about targets, but is hopeful to have signings before window closes end of August. He never said Naylor was incorrect, but avoided stephen ward issues,[/p][/quote]What is clear is that the club don't have any time for Andy Naylor. That came out of the forum loud and clear on at least a couple of occasions. I personally now have no confidence in any speculation put our way by Naylor. The way he's dealt with our links with a couple of players recently (Stephen Henderson for one) has been amateurish. He's a poor journalist. For all we know Brighton were never in for Clayton this summer. It's clear that the club certainly never told him we were. Naylor's match reports are distinctly average. Time for a clean break and get someone new in.[/p][/quote]The guy at the Huddersfield gazette was quoted as both clubs interested, sky sports said we were closing in on him ... Don't blame Andy Naylor, Maybe the club are angry he let it out of the bag we were close to signing them,... But not close enough! If they said all three had fallen through, that would not look good! So blame Naylor ,,, The fans who believe everything the club spins out, will lap that up... But surely the question should be, if sami has been here only 5 weeks, then Burke can't take that long to hit his targets! As far as Burke goes, he works very hard, extremely hard, working endless phone calls... Blah blah, I did sense TB and PB defend Burke, I sense a very quiet Amex this weekend, I also have feeling results need to be good or pressure on the DOF will be massive. mark by the sea
  • Score: -1

9:12pm Tue 5 Aug 14

nottseagull says...

As forum was a non event i'm making a totally unrelated comment. Does anyone else think the comnents box and newest posts should appear at the top of the page? Scrolling on a tablet is a nightmare uta
As forum was a non event i'm making a totally unrelated comment. Does anyone else think the comnents box and newest posts should appear at the top of the page? Scrolling on a tablet is a nightmare uta nottseagull
  • Score: 4

9:15pm Tue 5 Aug 14

£3.90 a pint. says...

Been on the Middlesbrough site, there is no news that they have signed Clayton or anyone else today or in the past few days. Their manager has posted that the Boro fans should be patient....sounds familiar that statement.
Been on the Middlesbrough site, there is no news that they have signed Clayton or anyone else today or in the past few days. Their manager has posted that the Boro fans should be patient....sounds familiar that statement. £3.90 a pint.
  • Score: 6

9:16pm Tue 5 Aug 14

don't wanna do it like that says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Like others I missed the first part of the forum, but I got to hear enough.

The club have not talked of previous signings until they are done, and they aint changing that any time soon.
Bloom is clearly happy with Burke, and Barber fully respects the amount of work Burke gets thru.
To my ears Barber under lined the fact that his role is about bringing money in and not a lot, if anything, to do with inward transfers.
There were a few questions that had a sharp edge to them but they were easily deflected.
I don't think Andy Naylor will be on too many Christmas card lists at the Amex.
Interesting to hear Sami underline the fact that he has only been at the lcub for five weeks when answering a question about formations, no rigid game plan announced. The squad is going to have to be flexible in the absense of new signings.
Like others you missed.

I used to work in shifts,yet managed to get up at 3am to watch an Ali fight.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Like others I missed the first part of the forum, but I got to hear enough. The club have not talked of previous signings until they are done, and they aint changing that any time soon. Bloom is clearly happy with Burke, and Barber fully respects the amount of work Burke gets thru. To my ears Barber under lined the fact that his role is about bringing money in and not a lot, if anything, to do with inward transfers. There were a few questions that had a sharp edge to them but they were easily deflected. I don't think Andy Naylor will be on too many Christmas card lists at the Amex. Interesting to hear Sami underline the fact that he has only been at the lcub for five weeks when answering a question about formations, no rigid game plan announced. The squad is going to have to be flexible in the absense of new signings.[/p][/quote]Like others you missed. I used to work in shifts,yet managed to get up at 3am to watch an Ali fight. don't wanna do it like that
  • Score: 2

9:21pm Tue 5 Aug 14

hannover seagull says...

bbb1969 wrote:
For the price of a 2 bed flat in Brighton you can get a mansion in middlesborough. £10k per week goes a lot further up north.
Thats why its a lot further up north
[quote][p][bold]bbb1969[/bold] wrote: For the price of a 2 bed flat in Brighton you can get a mansion in middlesborough. £10k per week goes a lot further up north.[/p][/quote]Thats why its a lot further up north hannover seagull
  • Score: 2

9:27pm Tue 5 Aug 14

hannover seagull says...

hannover seagull wrote:
bbb1969 wrote:
For the price of a 2 bed flat in Brighton you can get a mansion in middlesborough. £10k per week goes a lot further up north.
Thats why its a lot further up north
Get real, I would live on the North Pole ,South Pole for a year for 10k a week
Forget these issues its all down to comfort and greed and when the two combine,hey presto you have a new club
UTA.
[quote][p][bold]hannover seagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bbb1969[/bold] wrote: For the price of a 2 bed flat in Brighton you can get a mansion in middlesborough. £10k per week goes a lot further up north.[/p][/quote]Thats why its a lot further up north[/p][/quote]Get real, I would live on the North Pole ,South Pole for a year for 10k a week Forget these issues its all down to comfort and greed and when the two combine,hey presto you have a new club UTA. hannover seagull
  • Score: 3

9:28pm Tue 5 Aug 14

£3.90 a pint. says...

nottseagull wrote:
As forum was a non event i'm making a totally unrelated comment. Does anyone else think the comnents box and newest posts should appear at the top of the page? Scrolling on a tablet is a nightmare uta
Hi you can sort the "newest posts" to be first, with the drop down box at the end or beginning of the comments section. Hope this helps. :)
[quote][p][bold]nottseagull[/bold] wrote: As forum was a non event i'm making a totally unrelated comment. Does anyone else think the comnents box and newest posts should appear at the top of the page? Scrolling on a tablet is a nightmare uta[/p][/quote]Hi you can sort the "newest posts" to be first, with the drop down box at the end or beginning of the comments section. Hope this helps. :) £3.90 a pint.
  • Score: 3

9:29pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Mayfield sweeper says...

Goodness me the way the suits don't tolerate any questioning of their authority it's like some sort of communist regime.
Goodness me the way the suits don't tolerate any questioning of their authority it's like some sort of communist regime. Mayfield sweeper
  • Score: 9

9:32pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Withdean-er says...

For all those bizarrely turning the Clayton analysis into a Poyet lament, Poyet wanted to leave us before he was sacked .... remember his interest in jobs at Leeds, Fulham and Reading? The vast accounting losses under his tenure, where we had a relatively star-studded squad (Vicente, Kuzchak, Orlandi, Upson, Lopez, Hammond, Bridge, Bruno, Bridcutt, Buckley etc) were subsidised again by TB with yet more personal cash injections, as well as now being prohibited under mandatory FFP. In other words, we had a squad better than we could really afford, paid for out of TB's generous and unsustainable subsidies, and which are now banned unless we want a transfer ban. Poyet knew the game was up, hence his angling for other jobs where PL or PL-parachute monies would fund his insatiable spending of others peoples money.
For all those bizarrely turning the Clayton analysis into a Poyet lament, Poyet wanted to leave us before he was sacked .... remember his interest in jobs at Leeds, Fulham and Reading? The vast accounting losses under his tenure, where we had a relatively star-studded squad (Vicente, Kuzchak, Orlandi, Upson, Lopez, Hammond, Bridge, Bruno, Bridcutt, Buckley etc) were subsidised again by TB with yet more personal cash injections, as well as now being prohibited under mandatory FFP. In other words, we had a squad better than we could really afford, paid for out of TB's generous and unsustainable subsidies, and which are now banned unless we want a transfer ban. Poyet knew the game was up, hence his angling for other jobs where PL or PL-parachute monies would fund his insatiable spending of others peoples money. Withdean-er
  • Score: 2

9:35pm Tue 5 Aug 14

mark by the sea says...

Withdean-er wrote:
For all those bizarrely turning the Clayton analysis into a Poyet lament, Poyet wanted to leave us before he was sacked .... remember his interest in jobs at Leeds, Fulham and Reading? The vast accounting losses under his tenure, where we had a relatively star-studded squad (Vicente, Kuzchak, Orlandi, Upson, Lopez, Hammond, Bridge, Bruno, Bridcutt, Buckley etc) were subsidised again by TB with yet more personal cash injections, as well as now being prohibited under mandatory FFP. In other words, we had a squad better than we could really afford, paid for out of TB's generous and unsustainable subsidies, and which are now banned unless we want a transfer ban. Poyet knew the game was up, hence his angling for other jobs where PL or PL-parachute monies would fund his insatiable spending of others peoples money.
I don't know a successful manager who does not spend big!
Burnley are now in spending mode, I wonder if players wages are going down ? Or are we buying a lower class of player?
[quote][p][bold]Withdean-er[/bold] wrote: For all those bizarrely turning the Clayton analysis into a Poyet lament, Poyet wanted to leave us before he was sacked .... remember his interest in jobs at Leeds, Fulham and Reading? The vast accounting losses under his tenure, where we had a relatively star-studded squad (Vicente, Kuzchak, Orlandi, Upson, Lopez, Hammond, Bridge, Bruno, Bridcutt, Buckley etc) were subsidised again by TB with yet more personal cash injections, as well as now being prohibited under mandatory FFP. In other words, we had a squad better than we could really afford, paid for out of TB's generous and unsustainable subsidies, and which are now banned unless we want a transfer ban. Poyet knew the game was up, hence his angling for other jobs where PL or PL-parachute monies would fund his insatiable spending of others peoples money.[/p][/quote]I don't know a successful manager who does not spend big! Burnley are now in spending mode, I wonder if players wages are going down ? Or are we buying a lower class of player? mark by the sea
  • Score: 1

9:40pm Tue 5 Aug 14

brightonup says...

Withdean-er wrote:
For all those bizarrely turning the Clayton analysis into a Poyet lament, Poyet wanted to leave us before he was sacked .... remember his interest in jobs at Leeds, Fulham and Reading? The vast accounting losses under his tenure, where we had a relatively star-studded squad (Vicente, Kuzchak, Orlandi, Upson, Lopez, Hammond, Bridge, Bruno, Bridcutt, Buckley etc) were subsidised again by TB with yet more personal cash injections, as well as now being prohibited under mandatory FFP. In other words, we had a squad better than we could really afford, paid for out of TB's generous and unsustainable subsidies, and which are now banned unless we want a transfer ban. Poyet knew the game was up, hence his angling for other jobs where PL or PL-parachute monies would fund his insatiable spending of others peoples money.
Good post. I think you're right!
[quote][p][bold]Withdean-er[/bold] wrote: For all those bizarrely turning the Clayton analysis into a Poyet lament, Poyet wanted to leave us before he was sacked .... remember his interest in jobs at Leeds, Fulham and Reading? The vast accounting losses under his tenure, where we had a relatively star-studded squad (Vicente, Kuzchak, Orlandi, Upson, Lopez, Hammond, Bridge, Bruno, Bridcutt, Buckley etc) were subsidised again by TB with yet more personal cash injections, as well as now being prohibited under mandatory FFP. In other words, we had a squad better than we could really afford, paid for out of TB's generous and unsustainable subsidies, and which are now banned unless we want a transfer ban. Poyet knew the game was up, hence his angling for other jobs where PL or PL-parachute monies would fund his insatiable spending of others peoples money.[/p][/quote]Good post. I think you're right! brightonup
  • Score: 0

9:41pm Tue 5 Aug 14

gordongull says...

I don't see a problem with Andy Naylor saying that players are expected to sign, if he got the information from a normally reliable source. The Tabloids do it all the time and no-one takes any of it too seriously, so why give Andy a hard time?
It would be a different matter If he said players had signed, and it subsequently turned out that was not the case, but all he has done is offer speculation.
The Club has a clear policy of not making any comment until a transfer has been completed. The ''Trio Expected to Sign'' episode is a reminder that reports from any other source should be treated with suspicion.
I don't see a problem with Andy Naylor saying that players are expected to sign, if he got the information from a normally reliable source. The Tabloids do it all the time and no-one takes any of it too seriously, so why give Andy a hard time? It would be a different matter If he said players had signed, and it subsequently turned out that was not the case, but all he has done is offer speculation. The Club has a clear policy of not making any comment until a transfer has been completed. The ''Trio Expected to Sign'' episode is a reminder that reports from any other source should be treated with suspicion. gordongull
  • Score: 2

9:41pm Tue 5 Aug 14

pte says...

Quiterie wrote:
Was anyone else confused about the discussion about season ticket sales? They said that they were 7% or 8% down on this time last year. The reason they gave for this was 'churn' in other words people not renewing, people dying etc, but surely if you're comparing with this time last year, you're comparing like with like? The figure this time last year would also have 'churn' factored in. Or am I missing something?
Re the churn factor ie people dying, it was worse this year as more people died of boredom last year as a result of the football played.

They went to their grave vowing not to renew this season.

BTW if they admit to 7%, that could be a massaged figure after the churn factor is included so it could be the churn element plus the 7%
[quote][p][bold]Quiterie[/bold] wrote: Was anyone else confused about the discussion about season ticket sales? They said that they were 7% or 8% down on this time last year. The reason they gave for this was 'churn' in other words people not renewing, people dying etc, but surely if you're comparing with this time last year, you're comparing like with like? The figure this time last year would also have 'churn' factored in. Or am I missing something?[/p][/quote]Re the churn factor ie people dying, it was worse this year as more people died of boredom last year as a result of the football played. They went to their grave vowing not to renew this season. BTW if they admit to 7%, that could be a massaged figure after the churn factor is included so it could be the churn element plus the 7% pte
  • Score: 2

9:44pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Gazza by the sea says...

Ridiculous beard anyway........
Ridiculous beard anyway........ Gazza by the sea
  • Score: 1

9:49pm Tue 5 Aug 14

gozogull says...

I have heard that TB insists on an upper wage limit, and if any players don't like it then they can lump it!
I have heard that TB insists on an upper wage limit, and if any players don't like it then they can lump it! gozogull
  • Score: 3

9:52pm Tue 5 Aug 14

hannover seagull says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Quiterie wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Rhodes Seagull wrote:
As I missed the first 30 minutes was there any questions on the the three players we are supposed to be going for?
They don't talk about targets, but is hopeful to have signings before window closes end of August.
He never said Naylor was incorrect, but avoided stephen ward issues,
What is clear is that the club don't have any time for Andy Naylor. That came out of the forum loud and clear on at least a couple of occasions. I personally now have no confidence in any speculation put our way by Naylor. The way he's dealt with our links with a couple of players recently (Stephen Henderson for one) has been amateurish. He's a poor journalist. For all we know Brighton were never in for Clayton this summer. It's clear that the club certainly never told him we were. Naylor's match reports are distinctly average. Time for a clean break and get someone new in.
The guy at the Huddersfield gazette was quoted as both clubs interested, sky sports said we were closing in on him ... Don't blame Andy Naylor,
Maybe the club are angry he let it out of the bag we were close to signing them,... But not close enough! If they said all three had fallen through, that would not look good! So blame Naylor ,,, The fans who believe everything the club spins out, will lap that up... But surely the question should be, if sami has been here only 5 weeks, then Burke can't take that long to hit his targets!
As far as Burke goes, he works very hard, extremely hard, working endless phone calls... Blah blah, I did sense TB and PB defend Burke,
I sense a very quiet Amex this weekend, I also have feeling results need to be good or pressure on the DOF will be massive.
Very positive slant on the future from the club at the forum but lacked any sort of emotion as if the audience were hand picked, but very little on the present,Sami seemed a bit apprehensive
The A Naylor situation is not really new,the problem is he feeds on scraps and hopes for a bite
The main cause for concern from a news point of view is the official Seagulls news site as they only seem to report corporate issues and events after the day and the info on day to day stuff is as good non existent
Communication between club and fans needs addressing and not just massaged
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Quiterie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rhodes Seagull[/bold] wrote: As I missed the first 30 minutes was there any questions on the the three players we are supposed to be going for?[/p][/quote]They don't talk about targets, but is hopeful to have signings before window closes end of August. He never said Naylor was incorrect, but avoided stephen ward issues,[/p][/quote]What is clear is that the club don't have any time for Andy Naylor. That came out of the forum loud and clear on at least a couple of occasions. I personally now have no confidence in any speculation put our way by Naylor. The way he's dealt with our links with a couple of players recently (Stephen Henderson for one) has been amateurish. He's a poor journalist. For all we know Brighton were never in for Clayton this summer. It's clear that the club certainly never told him we were. Naylor's match reports are distinctly average. Time for a clean break and get someone new in.[/p][/quote]The guy at the Huddersfield gazette was quoted as both clubs interested, sky sports said we were closing in on him ... Don't blame Andy Naylor, Maybe the club are angry he let it out of the bag we were close to signing them,... But not close enough! If they said all three had fallen through, that would not look good! So blame Naylor ,,, The fans who believe everything the club spins out, will lap that up... But surely the question should be, if sami has been here only 5 weeks, then Burke can't take that long to hit his targets! As far as Burke goes, he works very hard, extremely hard, working endless phone calls... Blah blah, I did sense TB and PB defend Burke, I sense a very quiet Amex this weekend, I also have feeling results need to be good or pressure on the DOF will be massive.[/p][/quote]Very positive slant on the future from the club at the forum but lacked any sort of emotion as if the audience were hand picked, but very little on the present,Sami seemed a bit apprehensive The A Naylor situation is not really new,the problem is he feeds on scraps and hopes for a bite The main cause for concern from a news point of view is the official Seagulls news site as they only seem to report corporate issues and events after the day and the info on day to day stuff is as good non existent Communication between club and fans needs addressing and not just massaged hannover seagull
  • Score: 9

9:54pm Tue 5 Aug 14

nottseagull says...

£3.90 a pint. wrote:
nottseagull wrote:
As forum was a non event i'm making a totally unrelated comment. Does anyone else think the comnents box and newest posts should appear at the top of the page? Scrolling on a tablet is a nightmare uta
Hi you can sort the "newest posts" to be first, with the drop down box at the end or beginning of the comments section. Hope this helps. :)
Brill thanks!
[quote][p][bold]£3.90 a pint.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nottseagull[/bold] wrote: As forum was a non event i'm making a totally unrelated comment. Does anyone else think the comnents box and newest posts should appear at the top of the page? Scrolling on a tablet is a nightmare uta[/p][/quote]Hi you can sort the "newest posts" to be first, with the drop down box at the end or beginning of the comments section. Hope this helps. :)[/p][/quote]Brill thanks! nottseagull
  • Score: 3

9:57pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Aussie Mick says...

Mayfield sweeper wrote:
Things are as bad as I've known at the albion, no money, no players, fall outs with managers, a wall of silence from those running the show and disgruntled supporters wanting answers. We're right back to the drama of the Dick Knight era, last days of the goldstone and Gillingham and Withdean saga. Tonight's forum may require police in full riot gear to keep proceedings in order. Wouldn't be surprised if it gets 'mysteriously cancelled'.
I've been reading your posts over the last couple of weeks and have come to the conclusion you are not really a glass half full kind of guy are you mate. I bet your wife and kids can't wait for your return from work of an evening to shine some happiness and sunshine into their lives
[quote][p][bold]Mayfield sweeper[/bold] wrote: Things are as bad as I've known at the albion, no money, no players, fall outs with managers, a wall of silence from those running the show and disgruntled supporters wanting answers. We're right back to the drama of the Dick Knight era, last days of the goldstone and Gillingham and Withdean saga. Tonight's forum may require police in full riot gear to keep proceedings in order. Wouldn't be surprised if it gets 'mysteriously cancelled'.[/p][/quote]I've been reading your posts over the last couple of weeks and have come to the conclusion you are not really a glass half full kind of guy are you mate. I bet your wife and kids can't wait for your return from work of an evening to shine some happiness and sunshine into their lives Aussie Mick
  • Score: -1

9:58pm Tue 5 Aug 14

gordongull says...

Withdean-er wrote:
For all those bizarrely turning the Clayton analysis into a Poyet lament, Poyet wanted to leave us before he was sacked .... remember his interest in jobs at Leeds, Fulham and Reading? The vast accounting losses under his tenure, where we had a relatively star-studded squad (Vicente, Kuzchak, Orlandi, Upson, Lopez, Hammond, Bridge, Bruno, Bridcutt, Buckley etc) were subsidised again by TB with yet more personal cash injections, as well as now being prohibited under mandatory FFP. In other words, we had a squad better than we could really afford, paid for out of TB's generous and unsustainable subsidies, and which are now banned unless we want a transfer ban. Poyet knew the game was up, hence his angling for other jobs where PL or PL-parachute monies would fund his insatiable spending of others peoples money.
Your point about Gus's ''insatiable spending of other people's money'' is bizarre, Withdean-er. He has never spent a penny that was not provided by the owner in an attempt to gain promotion. The owner makes his own judgement on the value of what he is getting for his money, and is under no obligation to part with the money.
[quote][p][bold]Withdean-er[/bold] wrote: For all those bizarrely turning the Clayton analysis into a Poyet lament, Poyet wanted to leave us before he was sacked .... remember his interest in jobs at Leeds, Fulham and Reading? The vast accounting losses under his tenure, where we had a relatively star-studded squad (Vicente, Kuzchak, Orlandi, Upson, Lopez, Hammond, Bridge, Bruno, Bridcutt, Buckley etc) were subsidised again by TB with yet more personal cash injections, as well as now being prohibited under mandatory FFP. In other words, we had a squad better than we could really afford, paid for out of TB's generous and unsustainable subsidies, and which are now banned unless we want a transfer ban. Poyet knew the game was up, hence his angling for other jobs where PL or PL-parachute monies would fund his insatiable spending of others peoples money.[/p][/quote]Your point about Gus's ''insatiable spending of other people's money'' is bizarre, Withdean-er. He has never spent a penny that was not provided by the owner in an attempt to gain promotion. The owner makes his own judgement on the value of what he is getting for his money, and is under no obligation to part with the money. gordongull
  • Score: 1

10:19pm Tue 5 Aug 14

gordongull says...

gordongull wrote:
Withdean-er wrote:
For all those bizarrely turning the Clayton analysis into a Poyet lament, Poyet wanted to leave us before he was sacked .... remember his interest in jobs at Leeds, Fulham and Reading? The vast accounting losses under his tenure, where we had a relatively star-studded squad (Vicente, Kuzchak, Orlandi, Upson, Lopez, Hammond, Bridge, Bruno, Bridcutt, Buckley etc) were subsidised again by TB with yet more personal cash injections, as well as now being prohibited under mandatory FFP. In other words, we had a squad better than we could really afford, paid for out of TB's generous and unsustainable subsidies, and which are now banned unless we want a transfer ban. Poyet knew the game was up, hence his angling for other jobs where PL or PL-parachute monies would fund his insatiable spending of others peoples money.
Your point about Gus's ''insatiable spending of other people's money'' is bizarre, Withdean-er. He has never spent a penny that was not provided by the owner in an attempt to gain promotion. The owner makes his own judgement on the value of what he is getting for his money, and is under no obligation to part with the money.
PS, I always look out for your comments when there are financial issues, Withdean-er as you appear to be better informed than most, but your understanding of the Owner/Manager relationship seems to have slipped through the net.
[quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Withdean-er[/bold] wrote: For all those bizarrely turning the Clayton analysis into a Poyet lament, Poyet wanted to leave us before he was sacked .... remember his interest in jobs at Leeds, Fulham and Reading? The vast accounting losses under his tenure, where we had a relatively star-studded squad (Vicente, Kuzchak, Orlandi, Upson, Lopez, Hammond, Bridge, Bruno, Bridcutt, Buckley etc) were subsidised again by TB with yet more personal cash injections, as well as now being prohibited under mandatory FFP. In other words, we had a squad better than we could really afford, paid for out of TB's generous and unsustainable subsidies, and which are now banned unless we want a transfer ban. Poyet knew the game was up, hence his angling for other jobs where PL or PL-parachute monies would fund his insatiable spending of others peoples money.[/p][/quote]Your point about Gus's ''insatiable spending of other people's money'' is bizarre, Withdean-er. He has never spent a penny that was not provided by the owner in an attempt to gain promotion. The owner makes his own judgement on the value of what he is getting for his money, and is under no obligation to part with the money.[/p][/quote]PS, I always look out for your comments when there are financial issues, Withdean-er as you appear to be better informed than most, but your understanding of the Owner/Manager relationship seems to have slipped through the net. gordongull
  • Score: -1

10:33pm Tue 5 Aug 14

hannover seagull says...

gordongull wrote:
Withdean-er wrote:
For all those bizarrely turning the Clayton analysis into a Poyet lament, Poyet wanted to leave us before he was sacked .... remember his interest in jobs at Leeds, Fulham and Reading? The vast accounting losses under his tenure, where we had a relatively star-studded squad (Vicente, Kuzchak, Orlandi, Upson, Lopez, Hammond, Bridge, Bruno, Bridcutt, Buckley etc) were subsidised again by TB with yet more personal cash injections, as well as now being prohibited under mandatory FFP. In other words, we had a squad better than we could really afford, paid for out of TB's generous and unsustainable subsidies, and which are now banned unless we want a transfer ban. Poyet knew the game was up, hence his angling for other jobs where PL or PL-parachute monies would fund his insatiable spending of others peoples money.
Your point about Gus's ''insatiable spending of other people's money'' is bizarre, Withdean-er. He has never spent a penny that was not provided by the owner in an attempt to gain promotion. The owner makes his own judgement on the value of what he is getting for his money, and is under no obligation to part with the money.
The only substantial signing from the list above is WB,the rest were loans or loan assisted or bargains
Gus let us down on a loyalty point of view that is clear but also provided us with some of the best football we have ever seen for a while and left us with
at least 10 million profit when you combine Liam and Leo
One he brought,the other he bought
I hated the way he left (or was forced to) at the time but now the red mist has settled I have a grudging respect for him
We need some fire at the Amex
UTA
[quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Withdean-er[/bold] wrote: For all those bizarrely turning the Clayton analysis into a Poyet lament, Poyet wanted to leave us before he was sacked .... remember his interest in jobs at Leeds, Fulham and Reading? The vast accounting losses under his tenure, where we had a relatively star-studded squad (Vicente, Kuzchak, Orlandi, Upson, Lopez, Hammond, Bridge, Bruno, Bridcutt, Buckley etc) were subsidised again by TB with yet more personal cash injections, as well as now being prohibited under mandatory FFP. In other words, we had a squad better than we could really afford, paid for out of TB's generous and unsustainable subsidies, and which are now banned unless we want a transfer ban. Poyet knew the game was up, hence his angling for other jobs where PL or PL-parachute monies would fund his insatiable spending of others peoples money.[/p][/quote]Your point about Gus's ''insatiable spending of other people's money'' is bizarre, Withdean-er. He has never spent a penny that was not provided by the owner in an attempt to gain promotion. The owner makes his own judgement on the value of what he is getting for his money, and is under no obligation to part with the money.[/p][/quote]The only substantial signing from the list above is WB,the rest were loans or loan assisted or bargains Gus let us down on a loyalty point of view that is clear but also provided us with some of the best football we have ever seen for a while and left us with at least 10 million profit when you combine Liam and Leo One he brought,the other he bought I hated the way he left (or was forced to) at the time but now the red mist has settled I have a grudging respect for him We need some fire at the Amex UTA hannover seagull
  • Score: 6

10:45pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Justin says...

Interesting to compare the sensible questions and measured replies in the forum to the ranting, raving and flapping on this page!
Interesting to compare the sensible questions and measured replies in the forum to the ranting, raving and flapping on this page! Justin
  • Score: 5

10:47pm Tue 5 Aug 14

mark by the sea says...

Justin wrote:
Interesting to compare the sensible questions and measured replies in the forum to the ranting, raving and flapping on this page!
Anyone who has to speak in a crowded room suddenly becomes nice,
Had the forum been email based, that would be fun!!
[quote][p][bold]Justin[/bold] wrote: Interesting to compare the sensible questions and measured replies in the forum to the ranting, raving and flapping on this page![/p][/quote]Anyone who has to speak in a crowded room suddenly becomes nice, Had the forum been email based, that would be fun!! mark by the sea
  • Score: 4

10:51pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Conelli98 says...

Can't wait for the 5am breaking news story from Argus re The Albion. Should start with...SORRY...I am a numpty that should of known better or Clayton Mrs doesn't want move!😱
Night everyone...even you Mayfield Sweeper! Sweet dreams 💤💤💤💤💤
💤
Can't wait for the 5am breaking news story from Argus re The Albion. Should start with...SORRY...I am a numpty that should of known better or Clayton Mrs doesn't want move!😱 Night everyone...even you Mayfield Sweeper! Sweet dreams 💤💤💤💤💤 💤 Conelli98
  • Score: 2

11:00pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Bucket feet Duffy says...

Quiterie wrote:
Was anyone else confused about the discussion about season ticket sales? They said that they were 7% or 8% down on this time last year. The reason they gave for this was 'churn' in other words people not renewing, people dying etc, but surely if you're comparing with this time last year, you're comparing like with like? The figure this time last year would also have 'churn' factored in. Or am I missing something?
Exactly what I thought and commented so, out loud to nobody. Approximately 1400 add this to the floating supporters that won't be attending or buying pies, this would pay the wage for a good player to be added to the squad, Barber kept harping on about balance, I don't think he gets it! Some people like to be given an indication that they are going to get quality before they buy, and if the picture painted is of know investment in the team then sorry but they will vote with there feet.
What the suits were basically saying was please come and support us regardless as to the fact that we will probably lose every match,
I will be there and even if not my tickets will be bought and paid for but some are working to a budget.
[quote][p][bold]Quiterie[/bold] wrote: Was anyone else confused about the discussion about season ticket sales? They said that they were 7% or 8% down on this time last year. The reason they gave for this was 'churn' in other words people not renewing, people dying etc, but surely if you're comparing with this time last year, you're comparing like with like? The figure this time last year would also have 'churn' factored in. Or am I missing something?[/p][/quote]Exactly what I thought and commented so, out loud to nobody. Approximately 1400 add this to the floating supporters that won't be attending or buying pies, this would pay the wage for a good player to be added to the squad, Barber kept harping on about balance, I don't think he gets it! Some people like to be given an indication that they are going to get quality before they buy, and if the picture painted is of know investment in the team then sorry but they will vote with there feet. What the suits were basically saying was please come and support us regardless as to the fact that we will probably lose every match, I will be there and even if not my tickets will be bought and paid for but some are working to a budget. Bucket feet Duffy
  • Score: 4

11:12pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Conelli98 says...

Clayton to sign for Brighton tomorrow, or have I just dreamt that...
Clayton to sign for Brighton tomorrow, or have I just dreamt that... Conelli98
  • Score: 2

11:20pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Quiterie says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
Interesting Tweets:

Andy Naylor @AndyNaylorArgus
Re: the three targets. They all have been. Info came from a well-placed source. No power over whether or not #bhafc get deals over the line.
16m

Andy Naylor @AndyNaylorArgus
Long list of fairly obvious reasons why intended deals may not happen - fee, wages, geography, family etc, etc. #bhafc
16m

Andy Naylor @AndyNaylorArgus
@seagulls72 There is another one in particular I know #bhafc are working on. Cannot divulge at this stage.
14m

Andy Naylor @AndyNaylorArgus
@JamesAlbion_ "lined up", "expected", "could be". No "dead certain" or "will".
12m

Andy Naylor @AndyNaylorArgus
@jasonseaby I work for a newspaper, not the club website.
8m
Yes, but Naylor said that those three players were 'expected to sign'. That was him giving his professional opinion. He needed to take all of those things - wages, geography, family into account before giving that opinion. He can't now blame his 'source' for giving him dodgy info. That's pathetic. He needs to judge whether his sources are reliable or not before he makes his conclusions public. He's been made to look a fool on this one.
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: Interesting Tweets: Andy Naylor @AndyNaylorArgus Re: the three targets. They all have been. Info came from a well-placed source. No power over whether or not #bhafc get deals over the line. 16m Andy Naylor @AndyNaylorArgus Long list of fairly obvious reasons why intended deals may not happen - fee, wages, geography, family etc, etc. #bhafc 16m Andy Naylor @AndyNaylorArgus @seagulls72 There is another one in particular I know #bhafc are working on. Cannot divulge at this stage. 14m Andy Naylor @AndyNaylorArgus @JamesAlbion_ "lined up", "expected", "could be". No "dead certain" or "will". 12m Andy Naylor @AndyNaylorArgus @jasonseaby I work for a newspaper, not the club website. 8m[/p][/quote]Yes, but Naylor said that those three players were 'expected to sign'. That was him giving his professional opinion. He needed to take all of those things - wages, geography, family into account before giving that opinion. He can't now blame his 'source' for giving him dodgy info. That's pathetic. He needs to judge whether his sources are reliable or not before he makes his conclusions public. He's been made to look a fool on this one. Quiterie
  • Score: 1

11:28pm Tue 5 Aug 14

daughter-of-manag says...

pte wrote:
Quiterie wrote:
Was anyone else confused about the discussion about season ticket sales? They said that they were 7% or 8% down on this time last year. The reason they gave for this was 'churn' in other words people not renewing, people dying etc, but surely if you're comparing with this time last year, you're comparing like with like? The figure this time last year would also have 'churn' factored in. Or am I missing something?
Re the churn factor ie people dying, it was worse this year as more people died of boredom last year as a result of the football played.

They went to their grave vowing not to renew this season.

BTW if they admit to 7%, that could be a massaged figure after the churn factor is included so it could be the churn element plus the 7%
You beat me to it - nice one pte!

Re. the questions - couldn't believe that someone asked a question about pie prices and another asking if Sammi liked Brighton????

Most awks question was to Burke re. Obika.

Lots of talk about building a fan base - but attractive football is the way forward, not "I've been Tangoed" type kit.

The party line was that we have "no idea" of the amounts of sweat and effort that have been used in the attempts to sign players - and that it would "shock" the listener ... if we really knew. I am cognizant that Burke is working hard behind the scenes ... but ... if a team tries "shockingly" hard to play (say) Championship footie (with lots of sweat and hard work) ... and that team end up fighting for survival ... the coach/manager would almost certainly be in danger of being sacked. If Burke has "sweat drops of blood" trying to sign players and we end up with a weaker squad than at the end of last season ... and we don't attract any decent players .... then when is it his turn to be sacked?

Give Sammi the players that he needs to compete in this league, and allow him to showcase what potential he has as a young coach - and if we end up struggling (and killing more season ticket holders as pte suggests) - then Burke must take responsibility and fall on his penknife.

Results really do matter.
[quote][p][bold]pte[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Quiterie[/bold] wrote: Was anyone else confused about the discussion about season ticket sales? They said that they were 7% or 8% down on this time last year. The reason they gave for this was 'churn' in other words people not renewing, people dying etc, but surely if you're comparing with this time last year, you're comparing like with like? The figure this time last year would also have 'churn' factored in. Or am I missing something?[/p][/quote]Re the churn factor ie people dying, it was worse this year as more people died of boredom last year as a result of the football played. They went to their grave vowing not to renew this season. BTW if they admit to 7%, that could be a massaged figure after the churn factor is included so it could be the churn element plus the 7%[/p][/quote]You beat me to it - nice one pte! Re. the questions - couldn't believe that someone asked a question about pie prices and another asking if Sammi liked Brighton???? Most awks question was to Burke re. Obika. Lots of talk about building a fan base - but attractive football is the way forward, not "I've been Tangoed" type kit. The party line was that we have "no idea" of the amounts of sweat and effort that have been used in the attempts to sign players - and that it would "shock" the listener ... if we really knew. I am cognizant that Burke is working hard behind the scenes ... but ... if a team tries "shockingly" hard to play (say) Championship footie (with lots of sweat and hard work) ... and that team end up fighting for survival ... the coach/manager would almost certainly be in danger of being sacked. If Burke has "sweat drops of blood" trying to sign players and we end up with a weaker squad than at the end of last season ... and we don't attract any decent players .... then when is it his turn to be sacked? Give Sammi the players that he needs to compete in this league, and allow him to showcase what potential he has as a young coach - and if we end up struggling (and killing more season ticket holders as pte suggests) - then Burke must take responsibility and fall on his penknife. Results really do matter. daughter-of-manag
  • Score: 6

11:30pm Tue 5 Aug 14

pte says...

Conelli98 wrote:
Can't wait for the 5am breaking news story from Argus re The Albion. Should start with...SORRY...I am a numpty that should of known better or Clayton Mrs doesn't want move!😱
Night everyone...even you Mayfield Sweeper! Sweet dreams 💤💤💤💤💤

💤
The headline will be: "Ice cream better in Middlesboro so no braner for Clayton"!
[quote][p][bold]Conelli98[/bold] wrote: Can't wait for the 5am breaking news story from Argus re The Albion. Should start with...SORRY...I am a numpty that should of known better or Clayton Mrs doesn't want move!😱 Night everyone...even you Mayfield Sweeper! Sweet dreams 💤💤💤💤💤 💤[/p][/quote]The headline will be: "Ice cream better in Middlesboro so no braner for Clayton"! pte
  • Score: -1

11:33pm Tue 5 Aug 14

hannover seagull says...

Quiterie wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
Interesting Tweets:

Andy Naylor @AndyNaylorArgus
Re: the three targets. They all have been. Info came from a well-placed source. No power over whether or not #bhafc get deals over the line.
16m

Andy Naylor @AndyNaylorArgus
Long list of fairly obvious reasons why intended deals may not happen - fee, wages, geography, family etc, etc. #bhafc
16m

Andy Naylor @AndyNaylorArgus
@seagulls72 There is another one in particular I know #bhafc are working on. Cannot divulge at this stage.
14m

Andy Naylor @AndyNaylorArgus
@JamesAlbion_ "lined up", "expected", "could be". No "dead certain" or "will".
12m

Andy Naylor @AndyNaylorArgus
@jasonseaby I work for a newspaper, not the club website.
8m
Yes, but Naylor said that those three players were 'expected to sign'. That was him giving his professional opinion. He needed to take all of those things - wages, geography, family into account before giving that opinion. He can't now blame his 'source' for giving him dodgy info. That's pathetic. He needs to judge whether his sources are reliable or not before he makes his conclusions public. He's been made to look a fool on this one.
Get more out of a bottle of ketchup
A well placed sauce
[quote][p][bold]Quiterie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: Interesting Tweets: Andy Naylor @AndyNaylorArgus Re: the three targets. They all have been. Info came from a well-placed source. No power over whether or not #bhafc get deals over the line. 16m Andy Naylor @AndyNaylorArgus Long list of fairly obvious reasons why intended deals may not happen - fee, wages, geography, family etc, etc. #bhafc 16m Andy Naylor @AndyNaylorArgus @seagulls72 There is another one in particular I know #bhafc are working on. Cannot divulge at this stage. 14m Andy Naylor @AndyNaylorArgus @JamesAlbion_ "lined up", "expected", "could be". No "dead certain" or "will". 12m Andy Naylor @AndyNaylorArgus @jasonseaby I work for a newspaper, not the club website. 8m[/p][/quote]Yes, but Naylor said that those three players were 'expected to sign'. That was him giving his professional opinion. He needed to take all of those things - wages, geography, family into account before giving that opinion. He can't now blame his 'source' for giving him dodgy info. That's pathetic. He needs to judge whether his sources are reliable or not before he makes his conclusions public. He's been made to look a fool on this one.[/p][/quote]Get more out of a bottle of ketchup A well placed sauce hannover seagull
  • Score: 1

11:33pm Tue 5 Aug 14

PressBoxTeaBoy says...

Get real folks. Football clubs and Footballers are a pretty generic bunch when it comes down to it. If Clayton is going to Borough instead of BHA it will only be because the wage packet is bigger, the personal terms are better, and/or the fee paid is better.

You can blame Andy Naylor if it makes you feel better, or you could wise up and blame the player, or his agent, but that would also be unfair, or you could get really smart and just blame BHA for being greedy with the Ulloa money and not willing to pay what it takes to get the deal done.

Just saying ....................
.
Get real folks. Football clubs and Footballers are a pretty generic bunch when it comes down to it. If Clayton is going to Borough instead of BHA it will only be because the wage packet is bigger, the personal terms are better, and/or the fee paid is better. You can blame Andy Naylor if it makes you feel better, or you could wise up and blame the player, or his agent, but that would also be unfair, or you could get really smart and just blame BHA for being greedy with the Ulloa money and not willing to pay what it takes to get the deal done. Just saying .................... . PressBoxTeaBoy
  • Score: -1

11:41pm Tue 5 Aug 14

OldGull says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Justin wrote:
Interesting to compare the sensible questions and measured replies in the forum to the ranting, raving and flapping on this page!
Anyone who has to speak in a crowded room suddenly becomes nice,
Had the forum been email based, that would be fun!!
you mean you would have the bottle hiding behind your keyboard
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Justin[/bold] wrote: Interesting to compare the sensible questions and measured replies in the forum to the ranting, raving and flapping on this page![/p][/quote]Anyone who has to speak in a crowded room suddenly becomes nice, Had the forum been email based, that would be fun!![/p][/quote]you mean you would have the bottle hiding behind your keyboard OldGull
  • Score: -4

11:58pm Tue 5 Aug 14

OldGull says...

mark by the sea wrote:
tug509 wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
Dave5434 wrote:
It makes me laugh. Everyone who was having a go at Gus Poyet when he was sacked from the club. All he was doing was the best for the club. If I remember rightly he wanted to sign Ross MacCormack for £2.5 million, yet the board would not sanction it. Yet less than 2 years later MacCormack was sold to Fulham for around £11.5 million! If we had added that one player I think we would have been promoted by now. Yet now we need a good 6 or 7 quality players before we can even think of promotion to the top flight. We should have bent over backwards to give Poyet what he wanted. He was the best manager we ever had in my opinion.
He may well have bankrupted us. We are now paying for his profligacy. Move on.
After what we`ve seen over the last 3 seasons and what we are looking at for this ,I cant believe what you have said Arnie ,it is becoming more and more apparent that GP new exactly what he was doing ,and more to the point what those around him weren`t !. UTA
Bankruptcy would not have happened had the club backed Gus,
McCormack , van dyke , would have got us to the premiership, this rebuild is going to never take off if the club shrimp over 100k , let's be clear we kept Hoskins paid him say minimum of 5 k a week, so 250k for wages while he recovered from his injury! Then released him!
I am boiling mad at the penny pinching!
well put some of your own millions in then
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dave5434[/bold] wrote: It makes me laugh. Everyone who was having a go at Gus Poyet when he was sacked from the club. All he was doing was the best for the club. If I remember rightly he wanted to sign Ross MacCormack for £2.5 million, yet the board would not sanction it. Yet less than 2 years later MacCormack was sold to Fulham for around £11.5 million! If we had added that one player I think we would have been promoted by now. Yet now we need a good 6 or 7 quality players before we can even think of promotion to the top flight. We should have bent over backwards to give Poyet what he wanted. He was the best manager we ever had in my opinion.[/p][/quote]He may well have bankrupted us. We are now paying for his profligacy. Move on.[/p][/quote]After what we`ve seen over the last 3 seasons and what we are looking at for this ,I cant believe what you have said Arnie ,it is becoming more and more apparent that GP new exactly what he was doing ,and more to the point what those around him weren`t !. UTA[/p][/quote]Bankruptcy would not have happened had the club backed Gus, McCormack , van dyke , would have got us to the premiership, this rebuild is going to never take off if the club shrimp over 100k , let's be clear we kept Hoskins paid him say minimum of 5 k a week, so 250k for wages while he recovered from his injury! Then released him! I am boiling mad at the penny pinching![/p][/quote]well put some of your own millions in then OldGull
  • Score: -1

12:37am Wed 6 Aug 14

Claude Back says...

nottseagull wrote:
As forum was a non event i'm making a totally unrelated comment. Does anyone else think the comnents box and newest posts should appear at the top of the page? Scrolling on a tablet is a nightmare uta
Not really. you would still have to scroll but this time backwards to see what the original statement was. Would be difficult to follow, don't you think?
[quote][p][bold]nottseagull[/bold] wrote: As forum was a non event i'm making a totally unrelated comment. Does anyone else think the comnents box and newest posts should appear at the top of the page? Scrolling on a tablet is a nightmare uta[/p][/quote]Not really. you would still have to scroll but this time backwards to see what the original statement was. Would be difficult to follow, don't you think? Claude Back
  • Score: 2

1:03am Wed 6 Aug 14

daughter-of-manag says...

PressBoxTeaBoy wrote:
Get real folks. Football clubs and Footballers are a pretty generic bunch when it comes down to it. If Clayton is going to Borough instead of BHA it will only be because the wage packet is bigger, the personal terms are better, and/or the fee paid is better.

You can blame Andy Naylor if it makes you feel better, or you could wise up and blame the player, or his agent, but that would also be unfair, or you could get really smart and just blame BHA for being greedy with the Ulloa money and not willing to pay what it takes to get the deal done.

Just saying ....................

.
Fans are (rightfully) frustrated; who is to say that the BHA suits did not use "the three amigos" story as bait ... knowing that AN would bite, and that the fans would vent their frustration on AN and the Argus, rather than Burke et al.??

What we do know is that a stack load of money was made on the Bridcutt & LU sales ... and that AC, SB and SW should have been well-affordable.

All three should now be Albion players - why o why do we still have the dosh in the bank and a weakened squad?
[quote][p][bold]PressBoxTeaBoy[/bold] wrote: Get real folks. Football clubs and Footballers are a pretty generic bunch when it comes down to it. If Clayton is going to Borough instead of BHA it will only be because the wage packet is bigger, the personal terms are better, and/or the fee paid is better. You can blame Andy Naylor if it makes you feel better, or you could wise up and blame the player, or his agent, but that would also be unfair, or you could get really smart and just blame BHA for being greedy with the Ulloa money and not willing to pay what it takes to get the deal done. Just saying .................... .[/p][/quote]Fans are (rightfully) frustrated; who is to say that the BHA suits did not use "the three amigos" story as bait ... knowing that AN would bite, and that the fans would vent their frustration on AN and the Argus, rather than Burke et al.?? What we do know is that a stack load of money was made on the Bridcutt & LU sales ... and that AC, SB and SW should have been well-affordable. All three should now be Albion players - why o why do we still have the dosh in the bank and a weakened squad? daughter-of-manag
  • Score: 4

1:38am Wed 6 Aug 14

pte says...

OldGull wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
tug509 wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
Dave5434 wrote:
It makes me laugh. Everyone who was having a go at Gus Poyet when he was sacked from the club. All he was doing was the best for the club. If I remember rightly he wanted to sign Ross MacCormack for £2.5 million, yet the board would not sanction it. Yet less than 2 years later MacCormack was sold to Fulham for around £11.5 million! If we had added that one player I think we would have been promoted by now. Yet now we need a good 6 or 7 quality players before we can even think of promotion to the top flight. We should have bent over backwards to give Poyet what he wanted. He was the best manager we ever had in my opinion.
He may well have bankrupted us. We are now paying for his profligacy. Move on.
After what we`ve seen over the last 3 seasons and what we are looking at for this ,I cant believe what you have said Arnie ,it is becoming more and more apparent that GP new exactly what he was doing ,and more to the point what those around him weren`t !. UTA
Bankruptcy would not have happened had the club backed Gus,
McCormack , van dyke , would have got us to the premiership, this rebuild is going to never take off if the club shrimp over 100k , let's be clear we kept Hoskins paid him say minimum of 5 k a week, so 250k for wages while he recovered from his injury! Then released him!
I am boiling mad at the penny pinching!
well put some of your own millions in then
he has along with 20000 other season ticket holders
[quote][p][bold]OldGull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dave5434[/bold] wrote: It makes me laugh. Everyone who was having a go at Gus Poyet when he was sacked from the club. All he was doing was the best for the club. If I remember rightly he wanted to sign Ross MacCormack for £2.5 million, yet the board would not sanction it. Yet less than 2 years later MacCormack was sold to Fulham for around £11.5 million! If we had added that one player I think we would have been promoted by now. Yet now we need a good 6 or 7 quality players before we can even think of promotion to the top flight. We should have bent over backwards to give Poyet what he wanted. He was the best manager we ever had in my opinion.[/p][/quote]He may well have bankrupted us. We are now paying for his profligacy. Move on.[/p][/quote]After what we`ve seen over the last 3 seasons and what we are looking at for this ,I cant believe what you have said Arnie ,it is becoming more and more apparent that GP new exactly what he was doing ,and more to the point what those around him weren`t !. UTA[/p][/quote]Bankruptcy would not have happened had the club backed Gus, McCormack , van dyke , would have got us to the premiership, this rebuild is going to never take off if the club shrimp over 100k , let's be clear we kept Hoskins paid him say minimum of 5 k a week, so 250k for wages while he recovered from his injury! Then released him! I am boiling mad at the penny pinching![/p][/quote]well put some of your own millions in then[/p][/quote]he has along with 20000 other season ticket holders pte
  • Score: 1

2:29am Wed 6 Aug 14

Withdean-er says...

hannover seagull wrote:
gordongull wrote:
Withdean-er wrote:
For all those bizarrely turning the Clayton analysis into a Poyet lament, Poyet wanted to leave us before he was sacked .... remember his interest in jobs at Leeds, Fulham and Reading? The vast accounting losses under his tenure, where we had a relatively star-studded squad (Vicente, Kuzchak, Orlandi, Upson, Lopez, Hammond, Bridge, Bruno, Bridcutt, Buckley etc) were subsidised again by TB with yet more personal cash injections, as well as now being prohibited under mandatory FFP. In other words, we had a squad better than we could really afford, paid for out of TB's generous and unsustainable subsidies, and which are now banned unless we want a transfer ban. Poyet knew the game was up, hence his angling for other jobs where PL or PL-parachute monies would fund his insatiable spending of others peoples money.
Your point about Gus's ''insatiable spending of other people's money'' is bizarre, Withdean-er. He has never spent a penny that was not provided by the owner in an attempt to gain promotion. The owner makes his own judgement on the value of what he is getting for his money, and is under no obligation to part with the money.
The only substantial signing from the list above is WB,the rest were loans or loan assisted or bargains
Gus let us down on a loyalty point of view that is clear but also provided us with some of the best football we have ever seen for a while and left us with
at least 10 million profit when you combine Liam and Leo
One he brought,the other he bought
I hated the way he left (or was forced to) at the time but now the red mist has settled I have a grudging respect for him
We need some fire at the Amex
UTA
Player wages, rather than transfer fees, was the most significant cause of the vast (and now illlegal) accounting losses for the Albion in seaons 2011/12 and 2012/13. This is all documented in accounts on open record at Companies House and accurately reported by others on other websites. So yes, we did as was common with football clubs, have players on our books in those seasons who we couldn't really afford. The generosity of TB in supporting Poyet with that, on top of completely bankrolling the Amex and Lancing Academy for us, had to come to an end ... it's mandatory under FFP as well as being completely unsustainable unless the owner has the wealth of Russian or Middle Eastern tycoons.

Some can go on about we should have signed Van Dijk and McCormack too, to give even greater losses and yet more gambling of his personal money by TB. But those players were nor exclusively known to the Albion at that time, Van Dijk had the choice of playing CL football in front of 60,000 at Celtic or us. McCormack was rated highly by many in football and no doubt touted around by his agent.

To recap, it was mainly player wages, with the effect also of some transfer fees, that generated our losses.
[quote][p][bold]hannover seagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Withdean-er[/bold] wrote: For all those bizarrely turning the Clayton analysis into a Poyet lament, Poyet wanted to leave us before he was sacked .... remember his interest in jobs at Leeds, Fulham and Reading? The vast accounting losses under his tenure, where we had a relatively star-studded squad (Vicente, Kuzchak, Orlandi, Upson, Lopez, Hammond, Bridge, Bruno, Bridcutt, Buckley etc) were subsidised again by TB with yet more personal cash injections, as well as now being prohibited under mandatory FFP. In other words, we had a squad better than we could really afford, paid for out of TB's generous and unsustainable subsidies, and which are now banned unless we want a transfer ban. Poyet knew the game was up, hence his angling for other jobs where PL or PL-parachute monies would fund his insatiable spending of others peoples money.[/p][/quote]Your point about Gus's ''insatiable spending of other people's money'' is bizarre, Withdean-er. He has never spent a penny that was not provided by the owner in an attempt to gain promotion. The owner makes his own judgement on the value of what he is getting for his money, and is under no obligation to part with the money.[/p][/quote]The only substantial signing from the list above is WB,the rest were loans or loan assisted or bargains Gus let us down on a loyalty point of view that is clear but also provided us with some of the best football we have ever seen for a while and left us with at least 10 million profit when you combine Liam and Leo One he brought,the other he bought I hated the way he left (or was forced to) at the time but now the red mist has settled I have a grudging respect for him We need some fire at the Amex UTA[/p][/quote]Player wages, rather than transfer fees, was the most significant cause of the vast (and now illlegal) accounting losses for the Albion in seaons 2011/12 and 2012/13. This is all documented in accounts on open record at Companies House and accurately reported by others on other websites. So yes, we did as was common with football clubs, have players on our books in those seasons who we couldn't really afford. The generosity of TB in supporting Poyet with that, on top of completely bankrolling the Amex and Lancing Academy for us, had to come to an end ... it's mandatory under FFP as well as being completely unsustainable unless the owner has the wealth of Russian or Middle Eastern tycoons. Some can go on about we should have signed Van Dijk and McCormack too, to give even greater losses and yet more gambling of his personal money by TB. But those players were nor exclusively known to the Albion at that time, Van Dijk had the choice of playing CL football in front of 60,000 at Celtic or us. McCormack was rated highly by many in football and no doubt touted around by his agent. To recap, it was mainly player wages, with the effect also of some transfer fees, that generated our losses. Withdean-er
  • Score: 3

4:55am Wed 6 Aug 14

Piglet1 says...

mark by the sea wrote:
tug509 wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
Dave5434 wrote:
It makes me laugh. Everyone who was having a go at Gus Poyet when he was sacked from the club. All he was doing was the best for the club. If I remember rightly he wanted to sign Ross MacCormack for £2.5 million, yet the board would not sanction it. Yet less than 2 years later MacCormack was sold to Fulham for around £11.5 million! If we had added that one player I think we would have been promoted by now. Yet now we need a good 6 or 7 quality players before we can even think of promotion to the top flight. We should have bent over backwards to give Poyet what he wanted. He was the best manager we ever had in my opinion.
He may well have bankrupted us. We are now paying for his profligacy. Move on.
After what we`ve seen over the last 3 seasons and what we are looking at for this ,I cant believe what you have said Arnie ,it is becoming more and more apparent that GP new exactly what he was doing ,and more to the point what those around him weren`t !. UTA
Bankruptcy would not have happened had the club backed Gus,
McCormack , van dyke , would have got us to the premiership, this rebuild is going to never take off if the club shrimp over 100k , let's be clear we kept Hoskins paid him say minimum of 5 k a week, so 250k for wages while he recovered from his injury! Then released him!
I am boiling mad at the penny pinching!
Well the answer is simple, put your own money in, take over the club and buy who you like. then you have the right to be 'boiling mad'.
Until then you don't. You come across as having a real grudge against the club and most people reading your comments will feel that even if you do not realise it.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dave5434[/bold] wrote: It makes me laugh. Everyone who was having a go at Gus Poyet when he was sacked from the club. All he was doing was the best for the club. If I remember rightly he wanted to sign Ross MacCormack for £2.5 million, yet the board would not sanction it. Yet less than 2 years later MacCormack was sold to Fulham for around £11.5 million! If we had added that one player I think we would have been promoted by now. Yet now we need a good 6 or 7 quality players before we can even think of promotion to the top flight. We should have bent over backwards to give Poyet what he wanted. He was the best manager we ever had in my opinion.[/p][/quote]He may well have bankrupted us. We are now paying for his profligacy. Move on.[/p][/quote]After what we`ve seen over the last 3 seasons and what we are looking at for this ,I cant believe what you have said Arnie ,it is becoming more and more apparent that GP new exactly what he was doing ,and more to the point what those around him weren`t !. UTA[/p][/quote]Bankruptcy would not have happened had the club backed Gus, McCormack , van dyke , would have got us to the premiership, this rebuild is going to never take off if the club shrimp over 100k , let's be clear we kept Hoskins paid him say minimum of 5 k a week, so 250k for wages while he recovered from his injury! Then released him! I am boiling mad at the penny pinching![/p][/quote]Well the answer is simple, put your own money in, take over the club and buy who you like. then you have the right to be 'boiling mad'. Until then you don't. You come across as having a real grudge against the club and most people reading your comments will feel that even if you do not realise it. Piglet1
  • Score: 1

5:09am Wed 6 Aug 14

Piglet1 says...

don't wanna do it like that wrote:
In july you could get a seat 400,places and then ask the killer question.
Could post an e-mail.
Yet here on the argus rag-**** ,site posters can OPEN THEIR BIG MOUTHS.

REALLY PROUD OF YOU LADS AND LASSES.
Well said. None of the people on here who moan and groan under multiple names and from behind the anonymity of keyboards would be brave enough to go to the forum and actually relay their questions because they would actually be answered in a way they would be unable to comprehend or moan about. Simples.
[quote][p][bold]don't wanna do it like that[/bold] wrote: In july you could get a seat 400,places and then ask the killer question. Could post an e-mail. Yet here on the argus rag-**** ,site posters can OPEN THEIR BIG MOUTHS. REALLY PROUD OF YOU LADS AND LASSES.[/p][/quote]Well said. None of the people on here who moan and groan under multiple names and from behind the anonymity of keyboards would be brave enough to go to the forum and actually relay their questions because they would actually be answered in a way they would be unable to comprehend or moan about. Simples. Piglet1
  • Score: 0

11:25am Wed 6 Aug 14

woodcroft says...

Quiterie wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
Interesting Tweets:

Andy Naylor @AndyNaylorArgus
Re: the three targets. They all have been. Info came from a well-placed source. No power over whether or not #bhafc get deals over the line.
16m

Andy Naylor @AndyNaylorArgus
Long list of fairly obvious reasons why intended deals may not happen - fee, wages, geography, family etc, etc. #bhafc
16m

Andy Naylor @AndyNaylorArgus
@seagulls72 There is another one in particular I know #bhafc are working on. Cannot divulge at this stage.
14m

Andy Naylor @AndyNaylorArgus
@JamesAlbion_ "lined up", "expected", "could be". No "dead certain" or "will".
12m

Andy Naylor @AndyNaylorArgus
@jasonseaby I work for a newspaper, not the club website.
8m
Yes, but Naylor said that those three players were 'expected to sign'. That was him giving his professional opinion. He needed to take all of those things - wages, geography, family into account before giving that opinion. He can't now blame his 'source' for giving him dodgy info. That's pathetic. He needs to judge whether his sources are reliable or not before he makes his conclusions public. He's been made to look a fool on this one.
I is clear from Naylor's excuses that he has to guess like the rest of us. He likes to give the impression that he is knowledgeable but he has had a very bad 12 months . Clearly does not get the 'inside track' anymore.
Missing Oscar when nationals bad this before I had reached Derby Station and last Saturday prove to be poor and show the Argus up.
[quote][p][bold]Quiterie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: Interesting Tweets: Andy Naylor @AndyNaylorArgus Re: the three targets. They all have been. Info came from a well-placed source. No power over whether or not #bhafc get deals over the line. 16m Andy Naylor @AndyNaylorArgus Long list of fairly obvious reasons why intended deals may not happen - fee, wages, geography, family etc, etc. #bhafc 16m Andy Naylor @AndyNaylorArgus @seagulls72 There is another one in particular I know #bhafc are working on. Cannot divulge at this stage. 14m Andy Naylor @AndyNaylorArgus @JamesAlbion_ "lined up", "expected", "could be". No "dead certain" or "will". 12m Andy Naylor @AndyNaylorArgus @jasonseaby I work for a newspaper, not the club website. 8m[/p][/quote]Yes, but Naylor said that those three players were 'expected to sign'. That was him giving his professional opinion. He needed to take all of those things - wages, geography, family into account before giving that opinion. He can't now blame his 'source' for giving him dodgy info. That's pathetic. He needs to judge whether his sources are reliable or not before he makes his conclusions public. He's been made to look a fool on this one.[/p][/quote]I is clear from Naylor's excuses that he has to guess like the rest of us. He likes to give the impression that he is knowledgeable but he has had a very bad 12 months . Clearly does not get the 'inside track' anymore. Missing Oscar when nationals bad this before I had reached Derby Station and last Saturday prove to be poor and show the Argus up. woodcroft
  • Score: 3

4:11pm Wed 6 Aug 14

Captain Haddock says...

pjwilk wrote:
Forum was a waste of time,all the suits yes men were in audience.No real answers from anyone.Bloom refused to answer anything regarding transfers.Blues Bros are very deluded to think that a Manager cant choose his own transfer targets.What would Brian Clough say.
Disagree (as always) and the game has changed immeasurably.
[quote][p][bold]pjwilk[/bold] wrote: Forum was a waste of time,all the suits yes men were in audience.No real answers from anyone.Bloom refused to answer anything regarding transfers.Blues Bros are very deluded to think that a Manager cant choose his own transfer targets.What would Brian Clough say.[/p][/quote]Disagree (as always) and the game has changed immeasurably. Captain Haddock
  • Score: 2

4:18pm Wed 6 Aug 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

Captain Haddock wrote:
pjwilk wrote:
Forum was a waste of time,all the suits yes men were in audience.No real answers from anyone.Bloom refused to answer anything regarding transfers.Blues Bros are very deluded to think that a Manager cant choose his own transfer targets.What would Brian Clough say.
Disagree (as always) and the game has changed immeasurably.
Agreed (as almost always). Clough would have to accept help just as everyone else does nowadays. You can't pull 100+ hours a week and be anything other than rubbish at all facets of the job.
[quote][p][bold]Captain Haddock[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pjwilk[/bold] wrote: Forum was a waste of time,all the suits yes men were in audience.No real answers from anyone.Bloom refused to answer anything regarding transfers.Blues Bros are very deluded to think that a Manager cant choose his own transfer targets.What would Brian Clough say.[/p][/quote]Disagree (as always) and the game has changed immeasurably.[/p][/quote]Agreed (as almost always). Clough would have to accept help just as everyone else does nowadays. You can't pull 100+ hours a week and be anything other than rubbish at all facets of the job. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 2

4:32pm Wed 6 Aug 14

Captain Haddock says...

nottseagull wrote:
As forum was a non event i'm making a totally unrelated comment. Does anyone else think the comnents box and newest posts should appear at the top of the page? Scrolling on a tablet is a nightmare uta
No. I find it better this way but you can click to amend it to your specification anyway.
[quote][p][bold]nottseagull[/bold] wrote: As forum was a non event i'm making a totally unrelated comment. Does anyone else think the comnents box and newest posts should appear at the top of the page? Scrolling on a tablet is a nightmare uta[/p][/quote]No. I find it better this way but you can click to amend it to your specification anyway. Captain Haddock
  • Score: 0

4:38pm Wed 6 Aug 14

Captain Haddock says...

brightonup wrote:
Withdean-er wrote:
For all those bizarrely turning the Clayton analysis into a Poyet lament, Poyet wanted to leave us before he was sacked .... remember his interest in jobs at Leeds, Fulham and Reading? The vast accounting losses under his tenure, where we had a relatively star-studded squad (Vicente, Kuzchak, Orlandi, Upson, Lopez, Hammond, Bridge, Bruno, Bridcutt, Buckley etc) were subsidised again by TB with yet more personal cash injections, as well as now being prohibited under mandatory FFP. In other words, we had a squad better than we could really afford, paid for out of TB's generous and unsustainable subsidies, and which are now banned unless we want a transfer ban. Poyet knew the game was up, hence his angling for other jobs where PL or PL-parachute monies would fund his insatiable spending of others peoples money.
Good post. I think you're right!
Me too. Good post Withdean-er.
[quote][p][bold]brightonup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Withdean-er[/bold] wrote: For all those bizarrely turning the Clayton analysis into a Poyet lament, Poyet wanted to leave us before he was sacked .... remember his interest in jobs at Leeds, Fulham and Reading? The vast accounting losses under his tenure, where we had a relatively star-studded squad (Vicente, Kuzchak, Orlandi, Upson, Lopez, Hammond, Bridge, Bruno, Bridcutt, Buckley etc) were subsidised again by TB with yet more personal cash injections, as well as now being prohibited under mandatory FFP. In other words, we had a squad better than we could really afford, paid for out of TB's generous and unsustainable subsidies, and which are now banned unless we want a transfer ban. Poyet knew the game was up, hence his angling for other jobs where PL or PL-parachute monies would fund his insatiable spending of others peoples money.[/p][/quote]Good post. I think you're right![/p][/quote]Me too. Good post Withdean-er. Captain Haddock
  • Score: 2

4:51pm Wed 6 Aug 14

Captain Haddock says...

pte wrote:
OldGull wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
tug509 wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
Dave5434 wrote:
It makes me laugh. Everyone who was having a go at Gus Poyet when he was sacked from the club. All he was doing was the best for the club. If I remember rightly he wanted to sign Ross MacCormack for £2.5 million, yet the board would not sanction it. Yet less than 2 years later MacCormack was sold to Fulham for around £11.5 million! If we had added that one player I think we would have been promoted by now. Yet now we need a good 6 or 7 quality players before we can even think of promotion to the top flight. We should have bent over backwards to give Poyet what he wanted. He was the best manager we ever had in my opinion.
He may well have bankrupted us. We are now paying for his profligacy. Move on.
After what we`ve seen over the last 3 seasons and what we are looking at for this ,I cant believe what you have said Arnie ,it is becoming more and more apparent that GP new exactly what he was doing ,and more to the point what those around him weren`t !. UTA
Bankruptcy would not have happened had the club backed Gus,
McCormack , van dyke , would have got us to the premiership, this rebuild is going to never take off if the club shrimp over 100k , let's be clear we kept Hoskins paid him say minimum of 5 k a week, so 250k for wages while he recovered from his injury! Then released him!
I am boiling mad at the penny pinching!
well put some of your own millions in then
he has along with 20000 other season ticket holders
He said millions, Pte, not hundreds.
[quote][p][bold]pte[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OldGull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dave5434[/bold] wrote: It makes me laugh. Everyone who was having a go at Gus Poyet when he was sacked from the club. All he was doing was the best for the club. If I remember rightly he wanted to sign Ross MacCormack for £2.5 million, yet the board would not sanction it. Yet less than 2 years later MacCormack was sold to Fulham for around £11.5 million! If we had added that one player I think we would have been promoted by now. Yet now we need a good 6 or 7 quality players before we can even think of promotion to the top flight. We should have bent over backwards to give Poyet what he wanted. He was the best manager we ever had in my opinion.[/p][/quote]He may well have bankrupted us. We are now paying for his profligacy. Move on.[/p][/quote]After what we`ve seen over the last 3 seasons and what we are looking at for this ,I cant believe what you have said Arnie ,it is becoming more and more apparent that GP new exactly what he was doing ,and more to the point what those around him weren`t !. UTA[/p][/quote]Bankruptcy would not have happened had the club backed Gus, McCormack , van dyke , would have got us to the premiership, this rebuild is going to never take off if the club shrimp over 100k , let's be clear we kept Hoskins paid him say minimum of 5 k a week, so 250k for wages while he recovered from his injury! Then released him! I am boiling mad at the penny pinching![/p][/quote]well put some of your own millions in then[/p][/quote]he has along with 20000 other season ticket holders[/p][/quote]He said millions, Pte, not hundreds. Captain Haddock
  • Score: 3

4:59pm Wed 6 Aug 14

Captain Haddock says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
Captain Haddock wrote:
pjwilk wrote:
Forum was a waste of time,all the suits yes men were in audience.No real answers from anyone.Bloom refused to answer anything regarding transfers.Blues Bros are very deluded to think that a Manager cant choose his own transfer targets.What would Brian Clough say.
Disagree (as always) and the game has changed immeasurably.
Agreed (as almost always). Clough would have to accept help just as everyone else does nowadays. You can't pull 100+ hours a week and be anything other than rubbish at all facets of the job.
Cheers Arnie. You get a lot of thumbs down action from people you seem to irk but I find your contributions articulate and usually presenting a cohesive argument which I usually happen to agree with, but regardless of any differing opinions do NOT deserve their reaction.

Keep posting, buddy!
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Captain Haddock[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pjwilk[/bold] wrote: Forum was a waste of time,all the suits yes men were in audience.No real answers from anyone.Bloom refused to answer anything regarding transfers.Blues Bros are very deluded to think that a Manager cant choose his own transfer targets.What would Brian Clough say.[/p][/quote]Disagree (as always) and the game has changed immeasurably.[/p][/quote]Agreed (as almost always). Clough would have to accept help just as everyone else does nowadays. You can't pull 100+ hours a week and be anything other than rubbish at all facets of the job.[/p][/quote]Cheers Arnie. You get a lot of thumbs down action from people you seem to irk but I find your contributions articulate and usually presenting a cohesive argument which I usually happen to agree with, but regardless of any differing opinions do NOT deserve their reaction. Keep posting, buddy! Captain Haddock
  • Score: 3

12:37am Thu 7 Aug 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

Captain Haddock wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
Captain Haddock wrote:
pjwilk wrote:
Forum was a waste of time,all the suits yes men were in audience.No real answers from anyone.Bloom refused to answer anything regarding transfers.Blues Bros are very deluded to think that a Manager cant choose his own transfer targets.What would Brian Clough say.
Disagree (as always) and the game has changed immeasurably.
Agreed (as almost always). Clough would have to accept help just as everyone else does nowadays. You can't pull 100+ hours a week and be anything other than rubbish at all facets of the job.
Cheers Arnie. You get a lot of thumbs down action from people you seem to irk but I find your contributions articulate and usually presenting a cohesive argument which I usually happen to agree with, but regardless of any differing opinions do NOT deserve their reaction.

Keep posting, buddy!
Cheers Cap'n. I think I've annoyed a couple of people who have more accounts than fact-based opinions, so anything I post will often get -4 without being read! Still, simple things and simple minds :-)
[quote][p][bold]Captain Haddock[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Captain Haddock[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pjwilk[/bold] wrote: Forum was a waste of time,all the suits yes men were in audience.No real answers from anyone.Bloom refused to answer anything regarding transfers.Blues Bros are very deluded to think that a Manager cant choose his own transfer targets.What would Brian Clough say.[/p][/quote]Disagree (as always) and the game has changed immeasurably.[/p][/quote]Agreed (as almost always). Clough would have to accept help just as everyone else does nowadays. You can't pull 100+ hours a week and be anything other than rubbish at all facets of the job.[/p][/quote]Cheers Arnie. You get a lot of thumbs down action from people you seem to irk but I find your contributions articulate and usually presenting a cohesive argument which I usually happen to agree with, but regardless of any differing opinions do NOT deserve their reaction. Keep posting, buddy![/p][/quote]Cheers Cap'n. I think I've annoyed a couple of people who have more accounts than fact-based opinions, so anything I post will often get -4 without being read! Still, simple things and simple minds :-) Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 0

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